Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Saint K.]

I've been running gaming communities since 1999. 


That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years. 


Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. 
A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple 
economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem 
surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make 
money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.


I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their 
wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.


Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for 
the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying 
fuck.


Saint K.



 From:   Kristaps Kusiņš  
 To:    
 Sent:   6/14/2017 3:46 PM 
 Subject:   Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating 
servers, on website 



You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that they 
can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if people 
want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins? 


And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they exist 
because players are paying for it, so it is quite obvious what players actually 
want...


2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K. :

That's where the communities went wrong.


You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept and 
people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your servers.
If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.


Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.


Saint K.



 From:   Kristaps Kusiņš  
 To:    
 Sent:   6/14/2017 2:49 PM 
 Subject:   Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating 
servers, on website 


The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... 


On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller"  wrote:


This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day 
the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.



Kristaps Kusiņš  schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 
Uhr:

Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a 
mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just 
plain stupid. 


On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas"  wrote:
 
 
 
What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days…. 
Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just 
earn more $$$ when they ban the servers. 
  
Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use 
forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-) 
  
-Rolf 
  
 
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Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t 
need to join their server to report in game. 
As we can Find they listing here:
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Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Kristaps Kusiņš]

The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too...

On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller"  wrote:

> This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for
> day the dwindling gameserver community.
>
> Good bye srcds.
>
> Kristaps Kusiņš  schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um
> 11:43 Uhr:
>
>> Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like
>> making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it.
>> This is just plain stupid.
>>
>> On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas"  wrote:
>>
>>> What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….
>>>
>>> Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since
>>> they’ll just earn more $$$ when they ban the servers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always
>>> use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Rolf
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> cheating servers, on website
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We
>>> don’t need to join their server to report in game.
>>>
>>> As we can Find they listing here:
>>> http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [Csgo_servers] Csgo_servers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 10

[ProJaCore]

I got also Token banned even if i dont run any not allowed software on my
Server.
The clue is its just a ban from creating tokens.

My already existing tokens are working.
I already contacted Steam but they replied:
Were sorry we cant undo GSLT bans you have to create a new account with a
new number.

Mone making is the keyword

Am 14.06.2017 1:12 nachm. schrieb "Nguyễn Bảo Danh" :

> Yea :)) token ban, they get new token. Nothing happen. What is the use to
> ban token then ?
> I don't get it.
>
> On Jun 14, 2017 16:43, 
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>>3. Re: Valve should create a place to report cheating servers,
>>   on website (Kristaps Kusiņš)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 16:30:00 +0700
>> From: Nguyễn Bảo Danh 
>> To: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com
>> Subject: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating
>> servers, on website
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Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Andrew Jackson]

Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how
community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life
community operating experience. If communities aren't run how he thinks
they should, they should die a painful death, their owners probably should
too huh?

Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives on
donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net. There you
can see their donation counter in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY
reads $0 of $160 needed and here we are halfway through the month! Can you
believe it? I can't. It absolutely has to be an error because his highly
developed website (circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers
that he is running during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more
than enough happy supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned
money to his obviously well maintained community, as opposed to spending
their money on other games, skins, or things that help them ensure their
thirst for instant gratification is quenched.

And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough to
come to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how communities
should be operated. His 2 CSGO servers (
https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming with
popularity (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is sparing his
precious time to help us by belittling our efforts and throwing off
personal insults.

Let's take a look at his TF2 servers. It APPEARS that he has a pretty good
amount and that at least 1 is popular (
https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=tf ). WRONG. Here is
that same stats page + player counts next to the Steam Server browser where
I added all his servers to my favorites. Kind funny how only 1 of them is
even online, it's Garry's Mod, and it's empty, that is really weird:
http://imgur.com/BoaCUh6

And lastly, here is his 1 single server that shows up in game tracker (I
tried every combination of special attack names to make sure this was
accurate):
http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=specialattack=2=ASC

So tell us more bullshit Saint K, you slimey weasel. All you ever do is
show up here, acting holier than thou, thinking you are something special.
Spoiler alert: you're not. You don't even peak anyone's radar until you
come flapping your gums. Your non existent servers are empty. Your forums
are dead. Donations don't exist outside of you donating for appearances.
Get over yourself, fuckin twat.

UPDATE: Just as I was finished writing this, he had a 19 dollar donation
show up on his counter. That is fucking hilarious. Saint, are you sending
the lunch money your mom gave you to your donations so it looks like
someone cares? Lol =D


On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Absurd Minds 
wrote:

> Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in
> Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different
> cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive
> play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America
> things are a lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in
> America if you're not providing something like skin plugins, and nobody
> cares enough about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why
> almost all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the
> owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in other markets,
> and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do.
>
> On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K."  wrote:
>
>> I've been running gaming communities since 1999.
>>
>> That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years.
>>
>> Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt
>> with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's
>> simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no
>> problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being
>> able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.
>>
>> I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved
>> their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest
>> anymore.
>>
>> Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't
>> for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a
>> flying fuck.
>>
>> Saint K.
>>
>>
>> * From: * Kristaps Kusiņš 
>> * To: * 
>> * Sent: * 6/14/2017 3:46 PM
>> * Subject: * Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
>> cheating servers, on website
>>
>> You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that
>> they can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if
>> people want to buy skins they will buy them why block 

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[ics]

No need to be a dick against anyone. We're all here just because we have 
one thing in common, running servers. If you aren't for that here or 
have nothing contributing to say, you should not post at all.


Let me tell you how i've done since 2004, - ive paid the bills myself 
from my own pocket and along the way few frieds wanted to contribute 
too. Run gameservers for many valve games in the past. I've never ran 
any advertisement or accepted donations from players.


I managed just fine up untill the moment when Valve directed most of the 
traffic to their own servers in TF2 and in CSGO the community servers 
were always on the side, and became more on the side once item drops 
were disabled from them and alowed only on the valve servers.


While you can have active community server, you need to be located in 
some place that has active players throughout nearly every time of the 
day and invest a lot of hours to make it work decently and manage map 
lists etc. As for player donations, if players find a server they like 
and have friends and such, they will donate towards having that place in 
the future too. See UKCS for example, they still play CS Source and have 
active community.


Times are different now than before. As long as Valve or anyone else 
runs their own servers, community servers are pretty much dead or mod 
infested advertisement hells. This may or may not change in the future, 
but times are different now than over 5 years ago.


Just my 2 cents.

-ics

Andrew Jackson kirjoitti:
Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how 
community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life 
community operating experience. If communities aren't run how he 
thinks they should, they should die a painful death, their owners 
probably should too huh?


Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives 
on donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net 
. There you can see their donation counter 
in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY reads $0 of $160 needed and 
here we are halfway through the month! Can you believe it? I can't. It 
absolutely has to be an error because his highly developed website 
(circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers that he is 
running during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more than 
enough happy supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned 
money to his obviously well maintained community, as opposed to 
spending their money on other games, skins, or things that help them 
ensure their thirst for instant gratification is quenched.


And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough 
to come to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how 
communities should be operated. His 2 CSGO servers ( 
https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming 
with popularity (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is 
sparing his precious time to help us by belittling our efforts and 
throwing off personal insults.


Let's take a look at his TF2 servers. It APPEARS that he has a pretty 
good amount and that at least 1 is popular ( 
https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=tf ). WRONG. Here 
is that same stats page + player counts next to the Steam Server 
browser where I added all his servers to my favorites. Kind funny how 
only 1 of them is even online, it's Garry's Mod, and it's empty, that 
is really weird: http://imgur.com/BoaCUh6


And lastly, here is his 1 single server that shows up in game tracker 
(I tried every combination of special attack names to make sure this 
was accurate): 
http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=specialattack=2=ASC


So tell us more bullshit Saint K, you slimey weasel. All you ever do 
is show up here, acting holier than thou, thinking you are something 
special. Spoiler alert: you're not. You don't even peak anyone's radar 
until you come flapping your gums. Your non existent servers are 
empty. Your forums are dead. Donations don't exist outside of you 
donating for appearances. Get over yourself, fuckin twat.


UPDATE: Just as I was finished writing this, he had a 19 dollar 
donation show up on his counter. That is fucking hilarious. Saint, are 
you sending the lunch money your mom gave you to your donations so it 
looks like someone cares? Lol =D



On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Absurd Minds 
> wrote:


Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based
in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a
much different cago community than America. There's a much greater
emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are
more accepted, whereas in America things are a lot more casual.
It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not
providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough
about any 

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Absurd Minds]

Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in
Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different
cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive
play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America
things are a lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in
America if you're not providing something like skin plugins, and nobody
cares enough about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why
almost all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the
owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in other markets,
and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do.

On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K."  wrote:

> I've been running gaming communities since 1999.
>
> That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years.
>
> Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt
> with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's
> simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no
> problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being
> able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.
>
> I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved
> their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest
> anymore.
>
> Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't
> for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a
> flying fuck.
>
> Saint K.
>
>
> * From: * Kristaps Kusiņš 
> * To: * 
> * Sent: * 6/14/2017 3:46 PM
> * Subject: * Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
> cheating servers, on website
>
> You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that
> they can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if
> people want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins?
>
> And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they
> exist because players are paying for it, so it is quite obvious what
> players actually want...
>
> 2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K. :
>
> That's where the communities went wrong.
>
> You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept
> and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your
> servers.
> If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.
>
> Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.
>
> Saint K.
>
>
> * From: * Kristaps Kusiņš 
> * To: * 
> * Sent: * 6/14/2017 2:49 PM
> * Subject: * Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
> cheating servers, on website
>
> The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too...
>
> On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller"  wrote:
>
> This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for
> day the dwindling gameserver community.
>
> Good bye srcds.
>
> Kristaps Kusiņš  schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um
> 11:43 Uhr:
>
> Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like
> making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it.
> This is just plain stupid.
>
> On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas"  wrote:
>
> What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….
>
> Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll
> just earn more $$$ when they ban the servers.
>
>
>
> Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always
> use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)
>
>
>
> -Rolf
>
>
>
> *Van: *Csgo_servers  namens
> Nguyễn Bảo Danh 
> *Beantwoorden - Aan: *
> *Datum: *woensdag 14 juni 2017 11:30
> *Aan: *
> *Onderwerp: *[Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
> cheating servers, on website
>
>
>
> Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We
> don’t need to join their server to report in game.
>
> As we can Find they listing here:
> http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife
>
>
>
> Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins.
>
>
> Thanks and best regards!
>
> __
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Saint K.]

Once upon a time we also had US based servers. Same deal.
 
Hosting servers as a clan or community never has been about raising or earning 
money. These are hobby projects and you should treat them as such.
 
Besides having paid for the game, VALVe owes you nothing in terms of server 
software and support.
 
And it’s quite simple. If these infectious ads wouldn’t be in the MOTD and 
people didn’t resort to trying to “sell off” items that should be unlocked, 
there shouldn’t be a problem. No donations, no servers, no games to play for 
the people. They’ll donate if that is the case – they’ve always have.
 
The communities started to do everything to grab money in dirty ways. Since 
then VALVe’s own servers started showing up, and you know the rest of the story.
 
Anyway, it’s all history, it’s not going to change and the ‘good old days’ 
ain’t never returning and VALVe isn’t going to listen to the outcries. That’s 
also why you don’t find any CS:GO servers anymore with us, as we more or less 
gave up with SRCDS based games.
 
So in summary – give it up, save yourself from a lot of frustration and 
headaches. Accept the situation for what it is. Find a way to deal with it, or 
don’t. It isn’t ever going to change back into anything workable.
 
Saint K.
 
From: Csgo_servers [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On 
Behalf Of Absurd Minds
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 5:37 PM
To: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating 
servers, on website
 
Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe 
(but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago 
community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in 
Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America things are a 
lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not 
providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough about any 
community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost all American servers 
run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the owner. Things that work in one 
market don't always work in other markets, and it's a huge mistake to 
generalize as if they do. 
 
On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K."  wrote:
I've been running gaming communities since 1999. 
 
That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years. 
 
Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. 
A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple 
economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem 
surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make 
money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.
 
I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their 
wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.
 
Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for 
the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying 
fuck.
 
Saint K.

From: Kristaps Kusiņš  
To:  
Sent: 6/14/2017 3:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating 
servers, on website 
You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that they 
can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if people 
want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins? 
 
And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they exist 
because players are paying for it, so it is quite obvious what players actually 
want...
 
2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K. :
That's where the communities went wrong.
 
You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept and 
people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your servers.
If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.
 
Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.
 
Saint K.

From: Kristaps Kusiņš  
To:  
Sent: 6/14/2017 2:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating 
servers, on website 
The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... 
 
On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller"  wrote:
This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day 
the dwindling gameserver community.
Good bye srcds.
 
Kristaps Kusiņš  schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 
Uhr:
Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a 
mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just 
plain stupid. 
 
On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas"  wrote:
What is your point? 

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Absurd Minds]

It's true. For a game literally built from the ground up on community
effort, the community in this game has been severely crippled.

On Jun 14, 2017 8:22 AM, "Andre Müller"  wrote:

> This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for
> day the dwindling gameserver community.
>
> Good bye srcds.
>
> Kristaps Kusiņš  schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um
> 11:43 Uhr:
>
>> Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like
>> making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it.
>> This is just plain stupid.
>>
>> On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas"  wrote:
>>
>>> What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….
>>>
>>> Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since
>>> they’ll just earn more $$$ when they ban the servers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always
>>> use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Rolf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Van: *Csgo_servers 
>>> namens Nguyễn Bảo Danh 
>>> *Beantwoorden - Aan: *
>>> *Datum: *woensdag 14 juni 2017 11:30
>>> *Aan: *
>>> *Onderwerp: *[Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
>>> cheating servers, on website
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We
>>> don’t need to join their server to report in game.
>>>
>>> As we can Find they listing here:
>>> http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks and best regards!
>>>
>>> __
>>>
>>> Danh Nguyễn Bảo
>>>
>>> *Phó Giám Đốc*
>>>
>>> *Cty Quảng Cáo Minh Thành L.H.P*
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>>> p:
>>>
>>> 84-8 2213 0604  m: 0976168179 <09761%2068179>
>>>
>>> a:
>>>
>>> 374/25 Lê Hồng Phong, P.1, Q.10, HCMC
>>>
>>> w:
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Absurd Minds]

The concepts were fine before valve put all these restriction on servers.
People enjoy playing in servers with absurd skins. Just go into any 1.6 or
source server and you'll see. The problem is valve made those "illegal" in
csgo, so now you have to monetize because you have to keep buying tokens.

On Jun 14, 2017 9:30 AM, "Saint K."  wrote:

> That's where the communities went wrong.
>
> You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept
> and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your
> servers.
> If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.
>
> Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.
>
> Saint K.
>
>
> * From: * Kristaps Kusiņš 
> * To: * 
> * Sent: * 6/14/2017 2:49 PM
> * Subject: * Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
> cheating servers, on website
>
> The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too...
>
> On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller"  wrote:
>
> This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for
> day the dwindling gameserver community.
>
> Good bye srcds.
>
> Kristaps Kusiņš  schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um
> 11:43 Uhr:
>
> Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like
> making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it.
> This is just plain stupid.
>
> On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas"  wrote:
>
> What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….
>
> Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll
> just earn more $$$ when they ban the servers.
>
>
>
> Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always
> use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)
>
>
>
> -Rolf
>
>
>
> *Van: *Csgo_servers  namens
> Nguyễn Bảo Danh 
> *Beantwoorden - Aan: *
> *Datum: *woensdag 14 juni 2017 11:30
> *Aan: *
> *Onderwerp: *[Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
> cheating servers, on website
>
>
>
> Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We
> don’t need to join their server to report in game.
>
> As we can Find they listing here:
> http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife
>
>
>
> Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins.
>
>
> Thanks and best regards!
>
> __
>
> Danh Nguyễn Bảo
>
> *Phó Giám Đốc*
>
> *Cty Quảng Cáo Minh Thành L.H.P*
>
> p:
>
> 84-8 2213 0604  m: 0976168179 <09761%2068179>
>
> a:
>
> 374/25 Lê Hồng Phong, P.1, Q.10, HCMC
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Andre Müller]

This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for
day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

Kristaps Kusiņš  schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um
11:43 Uhr:

> Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like
> making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it.
> This is just plain stupid.
>
> On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas"  wrote:
>
>> What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….
>>
>> Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll
>> just earn more $$$ when they ban the servers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always
>> use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -Rolf
>>
>>
>>
>> *Van: *Csgo_servers  namens
>> Nguyễn Bảo Danh 
>> *Beantwoorden - Aan: *
>> *Datum: *woensdag 14 juni 2017 11:30
>> *Aan: *
>> *Onderwerp: *[Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
>> cheating servers, on website
>>
>>
>>
>> Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We
>> don’t need to join their server to report in game.
>>
>> As we can Find they listing here:
>> http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife
>>
>>
>>
>> Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins.
>>
>>
>> Thanks and best regards!
>>
>> __
>>
>> Danh Nguyễn Bảo
>>
>> *Phó Giám Đốc*
>>
>> *Cty Quảng Cáo Minh Thành L.H.P*
>>
>> p:
>>
>> 84-8 2213 0604  m: 0976168179 <09761%2068179>
>>
>> a:
>>
>> 374/25 Lê Hồng Phong, P.1, Q.10, HCMC
>>
>> w:
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Saint K.]

I don’t feel I was attacking that much, perhaps a bit sharply worded.
 
My point, which doesn’t seem to have come across entirely, from my first post 
on was; The battle is pointless. The concerns people raise here with banning 
the servers, them reappearing, apparent money loss – We’ve fought that battle. 
A long time ago, for a very long duration. We simply lost. VALVe doesn’t care 
like they used too. 
 
Accept the situation for what it is and try to work with it. Asking VALVe to do 
something about it simply isn’t going to fly, unfortunately. And I say this 
with pain in my heart, because we used to have a lovely well working – be it in 
an online way – relation with VALVe in the past.
 
Saint K.
 
From: Csgo_servers [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On 
Behalf Of Andrew Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 7:05 PM
To: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating 
servers, on website
 
I don't like to stoop to the low that I just did. I do believe that you have 
been around and have a lot of experience to offer, but did you really need to 
come in with the insults and belittling of others because you have a different 
opinion? You just made an honest, humble post, one that can be read and 
respected. Why couldn't it have been that from the start? You just came in 
attacking others because you disagreed with them, then someone calls you out 
with perfectly valid information, and you immediately get humble. Your initial 
posts could have been simply giving your experience, like your post above. 
Instead you had to insult people for no reason, when no insults were made 
towards you or towards anyone else that justified you doing so. 
 
Not that you need justification for anything but courtesy and objectivity go a 
long way. Because things used to be one way doesn't mean they are now. Because 
something worked for one person or a group of people, doesn't mean it's going 
to work for everyone. Everyone can be proud of their communities no matter how 
they support them. If you can manage to fully support it out of pocket, great. 
If you can get donations, even better, you're obviously doing something right. 
But there are plenty of servers for people to choose from these days. It 
doesn't matter if servers run ads or not, that's the way of the world. Players 
should be smart enough to use and support the good quality servers, and 
blacklist the shitty ones that spam ads, have wild admins, or whatever else 
might make a particular server shitty. Otherwise, there's no one to blame but 
the players for making poor choices. 
 
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Saint K.  wrote:
You’re looking at outdated data. As communities as a whole moved into an 
entirely different direction, community websites don’t really matter anymore. 
Most communications go through alternative platforms nowadays – such as 
discord. If you looked a bit further you also see that registration 
possibilities are closed, as it merely functions as an archive.
I can proudly let you know however, that this summer, we’ll have our 11th 
annual game community meet up. Something we’ve done yearly and we’ll keep doing 
so. Our community lives on, I have no worries about that – it just isn’t in the 
ways it used to (with an up2date website for example).
 
Also if you really want to know, the donations counter is broken – you’ll need 
to refresh your page before it loads.
 
Feel free to think whatever you like. I am just talking from experience. I’ve 
been around since the launch of HL1, and have a long history on this list 
(before spa – dumbclan). Dig into the HLDS (linux) archives and be amazed.
 
Also I think I am still listed as top donor on sourcemod after all these years. 
A simple “10% of our income in donations goes to projects we use to support 
them”. See how this world (used?) to work?
 
I am not saying you have to listen, I am just pointing things out and voicing 
my opinion. If you don’t like that, fine with me, I won’t sleep any less over 
it.
 
Saint K.
 
From: Csgo_servers [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On 
Behalf Of Andrew Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 6:23 PM
To: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating 
servers, on website
 
Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how community 
servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life community operating 
experience. If communities aren't run how he thinks they should, they should 
die a painful death, their owners probably should too huh?
 
Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives on 
donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net. There you can 
see their donation counter in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY reads $0 of 
$160 needed and here we are halfway through the month! Can you believe it? I 

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Erik-jan Riemers]

I do have to concur with Saint K. we moved to discord and pretty much all
income is gone. Always did pay for the servers, even with income. During
that time i had to pay 'less' but i don't mind because it is for the
community.

Items that where broken took sometimes years, if fixed at all. The whole
reason why servers died is because of restrictions by valve trying to fight
the 'bad guys' but it only hurt the good guys. This is a struggle that will
never be won by 'us' the owners, it is won by the 'bad people' because they
adopt more quicker then valve can fix/change things.

This is just a know fact, nothing more, nothing less. Like most people
including me, we just play another game and be happy too. Have a regular
bunch of friends online and still call it a community.

2017-06-14 19:19 GMT+02:00 Saint K. :

> I don’t feel I was attacking that much, perhaps a bit sharply worded.
>
>
>
> My point, which doesn’t seem to have come across entirely, from my first
> post on was; The battle is pointless. The concerns people raise here with
> banning the servers, them reappearing, apparent money loss – We’ve fought
> that battle. A long time ago, for a very long duration. We simply lost.
> VALVe doesn’t care like they used too.
>
>
>
> Accept the situation for what it is and try to work with it. Asking VALVe
> to do something about it simply isn’t going to fly, unfortunately. And I
> say this with pain in my heart, because we used to have a lovely well
> working – be it in an online way – relation with VALVe in the past.
>
>
>
> Saint K.
>
>
>
> *From:* Csgo_servers [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Andrew Jackson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 7:05 PM
> *To:* csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
> cheating servers, on website
>
>
>
> I don't like to stoop to the low that I just did. I do believe that you
> have been around and have a lot of experience to offer, but did you really
> need to come in with the insults and belittling of others because you have
> a different opinion? You just made an honest, humble post, one that can be
> read and respected. Why couldn't it have been that from the start? You just
> came in attacking others because you disagreed with them, then someone
> calls you out with perfectly valid information, and you immediately get
> humble. Your initial posts could have been simply giving your experience,
> like your post above. Instead you had to insult people for no reason, when
> no insults were made towards you or towards anyone else that justified you
> doing so.
>
>
>
> Not that you need justification for anything but courtesy and objectivity
> go a long way. Because things used to be one way doesn't mean they are now.
> Because something worked for one person or a group of people, doesn't mean
> it's going to work for everyone. Everyone can be proud of their communities
> no matter how they support them. If you can manage to fully support it out
> of pocket, great. If you can get donations, even better, you're obviously
> doing something right. But there are plenty of servers for people to choose
> from these days. It doesn't matter if servers run ads or not, that's the
> way of the world. Players should be smart enough to use and support the
> good quality servers, and blacklist the shitty ones that spam ads, have
> wild admins, or whatever else might make a particular server shitty.
> Otherwise, there's no one to blame but the players for making poor choices.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Saint K. 
> wrote:
>
> You’re looking at outdated data. As communities as a whole moved into an
> entirely different direction, community websites don’t really matter
> anymore. Most communications go through alternative platforms nowadays –
> such as discord. If you looked a bit further you also see that registration
> possibilities are closed, as it merely functions as an archive.
>
> I can proudly let you know however, that this summer, we’ll have our 11th
> annual game community meet up. Something we’ve done yearly and we’ll keep
> doing so. Our community lives on, I have no worries about that – it just
> isn’t in the ways it used to (with an up2date website for example).
>
>
>
> Also if you really want to know, the donations counter is broken – you’ll
> need to refresh your page before it loads.
>
>
>
> Feel free to think whatever you like. I am just talking from experience.
> I’ve been around since the launch of HL1, and have a long history on this
> list (before spa – dumbclan). Dig into the HLDS (linux) archives and be
> amazed.
>
>
>
> Also I think I am still listed as top donor on sourcemod after all these
> years. A simple “10% of our income in donations goes to projects we use to
> support them”. See how this world (used?) to work?
>
>
>
> I am not saying you have to listen, I am just pointing things out and
> 

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Asher Baker]

The same has happened on the modding / server plugin front - people used to
share information pretty much freely and help each out (and server admins
willing to try their hand at coding), now it's all private in the name of
exclusivity, $$$, and laziness.
This has had a double effect of pushing away a lot of the old crowd very
quickly, so now a lot of that knowledge is lost.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Saint K.  wrote:

> Also I think I am still listed as top donor on sourcemod after all these
> years. A simple “10% of our income in donations goes to projects we use to
> support them”. See how this world (used?) to work?


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[Saint K.]

You’re looking at outdated data. As communities as a whole moved into an 
entirely different direction, community websites don’t really matter anymore. 
Most communications go through alternative platforms nowadays – such as 
discord. If you looked a bit further you also see that registration 
possibilities are closed, as it merely functions as an archive.
I can proudly let you know however, that this summer, we’ll have our 11th 
annual game community meet up. Something we’ve done yearly and we’ll keep doing 
so. Our community lives on, I have no worries about that – it just isn’t in the 
ways it used to (with an up2date website for example).
 
Also if you really want to know, the donations counter is broken – you’ll need 
to refresh your page before it loads.
 
Feel free to think whatever you like. I am just talking from experience. I’ve 
been around since the launch of HL1, and have a long history on this list 
(before spa – dumbclan). Dig into the HLDS (linux) archives and be amazed.
 
Also I think I am still listed as top donor on sourcemod after all these years. 
A simple “10% of our income in donations goes to projects we use to support 
them”. See how this world (used?) to work?
 
I am not saying you have to listen, I am just pointing things out and voicing 
my opinion. If you don’t like that, fine with me, I won’t sleep any less over 
it.
 
Saint K.
 
From: Csgo_servers [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On 
Behalf Of Andrew Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 6:23 PM
To: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating 
servers, on website
 
Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how community 
servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life community operating 
experience. If communities aren't run how he thinks they should, they should 
die a painful death, their owners probably should too huh?
 
Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives on 
donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net. There you can 
see their donation counter in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY reads $0 of 
$160 needed and here we are halfway through the month! Can you believe it? I 
can't. It absolutely has to be an error because his highly developed website 
(circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers that he is running 
during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more than enough happy 
supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned money to his obviously 
well maintained community, as opposed to spending their money on other games, 
skins, or things that help them ensure their thirst for instant gratification 
is quenched. 
 
And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough to come 
to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how communities should 
be operated. His 2 CSGO servers ( 
https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming with 
popularity (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is sparing his 
precious time to help us by belittling our efforts and throwing off personal 
insults. 
 
Let's take a look at his TF2 servers. It APPEARS that he has a pretty good 
amount and that at least 1 is popular ( 
https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=tf ). WRONG. Here is that 
same stats page + player counts next to the Steam Server browser where I added 
all his servers to my favorites. Kind funny how only 1 of them is even online, 
it's Garry's Mod, and it's empty, that is really weird: http://imgur.com/BoaCUh6
 
And lastly, here is his 1 single server that shows up in game tracker (I tried 
every combination of special attack names to make sure this was accurate): 
http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=specialattack=2=ASC
 
So tell us more bullshit Saint K, you slimey weasel. All you ever do is show up 
here, acting holier than thou, thinking you are something special. Spoiler 
alert: you're not. You don't even peak anyone's radar until you come flapping 
your gums. Your non existent servers are empty. Your forums are dead. Donations 
don't exist outside of you donating for appearances. Get over yourself, fuckin 
twat.
 
UPDATE: Just as I was finished writing this, he had a 19 dollar donation show 
up on his counter. That is fucking hilarious. Saint, are you sending the lunch 
money your mom gave you to your donations so it looks like someone cares? Lol =D
 
 
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Absurd Minds  wrote:
Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe 
(but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago 
community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in 
Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America things are a 
lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not 
providing something like skin 

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Absurd Minds]

Once upon a time is dead and gone. I also had incredibly popular servers
once upon a time, with enough donations to pay for the server *and* buy
things for the community (eg games for giveaways). It's not like that
anymore around here.

I still run servers, and I pay for them with my own money, but there is not
the same strong community built around vanilla servers as there used to be
in America.

On Jun 14, 2017 12:22 PM, "Saint K."  wrote:

Once upon a time we also had US based servers. Same deal.



Hosting servers as a clan or community never has been about raising or
earning money. These are hobby projects and you should treat them as such.



Besides having paid for the game, VALVe owes you nothing in terms of server
software and support.



And it’s quite simple. If these infectious ads wouldn’t be in the MOTD and
people didn’t resort to trying to “sell off” items that should be unlocked,
there shouldn’t be a problem. No donations, no servers, no games to play
for the people. They’ll donate if that is the case – they’ve always have.



The communities started to do everything to grab money in dirty ways. Since
then VALVe’s own servers started showing up, and you know the rest of the
story.



Anyway, it’s all history, it’s not going to change and the ‘good old days’
ain’t never returning and VALVe isn’t going to listen to the outcries.
That’s also why you don’t find any CS:GO servers anymore with us, as we
more or less gave up with SRCDS based games.



So in summary – give it up, save yourself from a lot of frustration and
headaches. Accept the situation for what it is. Find a way to deal with it,
or don’t. It isn’t ever going to change back into anything workable.



Saint K.



*From:* Csgo_servers [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On
Behalf Of *Absurd Minds
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 5:37 PM
*To:* csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com

*Subject:* Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
cheating servers, on website



Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in
Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different
cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive
play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America
things are a lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in
America if you're not providing something like skin plugins, and nobody
cares enough about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why
almost all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the
owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in other markets,
and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do.



On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K."  wrote:

I've been running gaming communities since 1999.



That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years.



Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt
with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's
simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no
problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being
able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.



I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved
their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest
anymore.



Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't
for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a
flying fuck.



Saint K.

*From: *Kristaps Kusiņš 
*To: *
*Sent: *6/14/2017 3:46 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
cheating servers, on website

You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that
they can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if
people want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins?



And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they
exist because players are paying for it, so it is quite obvious what
players actually want...



2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K. :

That's where the communities went wrong.



You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept
and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your
servers.

If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.



Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.



Saint K.

*From: *Kristaps Kusiņš 
*To: *
*Sent: *6/14/2017 2:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
cheating servers, on website

The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too...



On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller"  wrote:

This 

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Andrew Jackson]

I don't like to stoop to the low that I just did. I do believe that you
have been around and have a lot of experience to offer, but did you really
need to come in with the insults and belittling of others because you have
a different opinion? You just made an honest, humble post, one that can be
read and respected. Why couldn't it have been that from the start? You just
came in attacking others because you disagreed with them, then someone
calls you out with perfectly valid information, and you immediately get
humble. Your initial posts could have been simply giving your experience,
like your post above. Instead you had to insult people for no reason, when
no insults were made towards you or towards anyone else that justified you
doing so.

Not that you need justification for anything but courtesy and objectivity
go a long way. Because things used to be one way doesn't mean they are now.
Because something worked for one person or a group of people, doesn't mean
it's going to work for everyone. Everyone can be proud of their communities
no matter how they support them. If you can manage to fully support it out
of pocket, great. If you can get donations, even better, you're obviously
doing something right. But there are plenty of servers for people to choose
from these days. It doesn't matter if servers run ads or not, that's the
way of the world. Players should be smart enough to use and support the
good quality servers, and blacklist the shitty ones that spam ads, have
wild admins, or whatever else might make a particular server shitty.
Otherwise, there's no one to blame but the players for making poor choices.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Saint K.  wrote:

> You’re looking at outdated data. As communities as a whole moved into an
> entirely different direction, community websites don’t really matter
> anymore. Most communications go through alternative platforms nowadays –
> such as discord. If you looked a bit further you also see that registration
> possibilities are closed, as it merely functions as an archive.
>
> I can proudly let you know however, that this summer, we’ll have our 11th
> annual game community meet up. Something we’ve done yearly and we’ll keep
> doing so. Our community lives on, I have no worries about that – it just
> isn’t in the ways it used to (with an up2date website for example).
>
>
>
> Also if you really want to know, the donations counter is broken – you’ll
> need to refresh your page before it loads.
>
>
>
> Feel free to think whatever you like. I am just talking from experience.
> I’ve been around since the launch of HL1, and have a long history on this
> list (before spa – dumbclan). Dig into the HLDS (linux) archives and be
> amazed.
>
>
>
> Also I think I am still listed as top donor on sourcemod after all these
> years. A simple “10% of our income in donations goes to projects we use to
> support them”. See how this world (used?) to work?
>
>
>
> I am not saying you have to listen, I am just pointing things out and
> voicing my opinion. If you don’t like that, fine with me, I won’t sleep any
> less over it.
>
>
>
> Saint K.
>
>
>
> *From:* Csgo_servers [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Jackson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 6:23 PM
> *To:* csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
> cheating servers, on website
>
>
>
> Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how
> community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life
> community operating experience. If communities aren't run how he thinks
> they should, they should die a painful death, their owners probably should
> too huh?
>
>
>
> Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives on
> donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net. There you
> can see their donation counter in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY
> reads $0 of $160 needed and here we are halfway through the month! Can you
> believe it? I can't. It absolutely has to be an error because his highly
> developed website (circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers
> that he is running during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more
> than enough happy supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned
> money to his obviously well maintained community, as opposed to spending
> their money on other games, skins, or things that help them ensure their
> thirst for instant gratification is quenched.
>
>
>
> And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough to
> come to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how communities
> should be operated. His 2 CSGO servers ( https://hlstatsx.
> specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming with popularity
> (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is sparing his precious
> time to help 

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Kristaps Kusiņš]

You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that
they can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if
people want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins?

And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they
exist because players are paying for it, so it is quite obvious what
players actually want...

2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K. :

> That's where the communities went wrong.
>
> You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept
> and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your
> servers.
> If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.
>
> Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.
>
> Saint K.
>
>
> * From: * Kristaps Kusiņš 
> * To: * 
> * Sent: * 6/14/2017 2:49 PM
> * Subject: * Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
> cheating servers, on website
>
> The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too...
>
> On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller"  wrote:
>
> This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for
> day the dwindling gameserver community.
>
> Good bye srcds.
>
> Kristaps Kusiņš  schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um
> 11:43 Uhr:
>
> Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like
> making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it.
> This is just plain stupid.
>
> On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas"  wrote:
>
> What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….
>
> Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll
> just earn more $$$ when they ban the servers.
>
>
>
> Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always
> use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)
>
>
>
> -Rolf
>
>
>
> *Van: *Csgo_servers  namens
> Nguyễn Bảo Danh 
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>
>
>
> Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We
> don’t need to join their server to report in game.
>
> As we can Find they listing here:
> http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife
>
>
>
> Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins.
>
>
> Thanks and best regards!
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Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Kristaps Kusiņš]

Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like
making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it.
This is just plain stupid.

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas"  wrote:

> What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….
>
> Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll
> just earn more $$$ when they ban the servers.
>
>
>
> Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always
> use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)
>
>
>
> -Rolf
>
>
>
> *Van: *Csgo_servers  namens
> Nguyễn Bảo Danh 
> *Beantwoorden - Aan: *
> *Datum: *woensdag 14 juni 2017 11:30
> *Aan: *
> *Onderwerp: *[Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report
> cheating servers, on website
>
>
>
> Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We
> don’t need to join their server to report in game.
>
> As we can Find they listing here:
> http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife
>
>
>
> Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins.
>
>
> Thanks and best regards!
>
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[Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Nguyễn Bảo Danh]

Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We
don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife



Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins.

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Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

[Rolf Maas]

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….
Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just 
earn more $$$ when they ban the servers.

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use 
forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

-Rolf

Van: Csgo_servers  namens Nguyễn 
Bảo Danh 
Beantwoorden - Aan: 
Datum: woensdag 14 juni 2017 11:30
Aan: 
Onderwerp: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating 
servers, on website

Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t 
need to join their server to report in game.
As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins.

Thanks and best regards!

__

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Re: [Csgo_servers] Csgo_servers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 10

[Nguyễn Bảo Danh]

Yea :)) token ban, they get new token. Nothing happen. What is the use to
ban token then ?
I don't get it.

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Re: [Csgo_servers] Csgo_servers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 10

[Kristaps Kusiņš]

It is all about money, that is why the plugins are illegal and that is why
they ban tokens both bring money, banned tokens mean new csgo purchases,
banned plugins mean more skin purchases

On Jun 14, 2017 12:12 PM, "Nguyễn Bảo Danh"  wrote:

> Yea :)) token ban, they get new token. Nothing happen. What is the use to
> ban token then ?
> I don't get it.
>
> On Jun 14, 2017 16:43, 
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Re: [Csgo_servers] Csgo_servers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 10

[Saint K.]

The times of VALVe caring and working with the gaming communities have long 
gone. It's something from their early years, when they still required us for 
their company growth. 


Steam is massive now. We're no longer of interest.


You better just accept it and move on.


Saint K.



 From:   Kristaps Kusiņš  
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 Sent:   6/14/2017 12:14 PM 
 Subject:   Re: [Csgo_servers] Csgo_servers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 10 


It is all about money, that is why the plugins are illegal and that is why they 
ban tokens both bring money, banned tokens mean new csgo purchases, banned 
plugins mean more skin purchases 


On Jun 14, 2017 12:12 PM, "Nguyễn Bảo Danh"  wrote:

Yea :)) token ban, they get new token. Nothing happen. What is the use to ban 
token then ? 
I don't get it. 


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