Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 10:57:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: state at least twenty treasonous acts by him. Will any of you take the challenge, or will you just keep on spouting your anti-Republican propaganda with no support what-so-ever for the Criminal-In-Chief??? Regards, Bob Stokes You first, dear. Twenty acts of treason please? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 1:53:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sexual harassment IS a crime. I don't think asking is a crime? And if, "okay honey, I wouldn't want you to do anything you didn't want to do." is harrassment, then I ought to sue the estates of the guys that were after my teenage body. Wow. the opportunities for great wealth I missed. They were not half as nice about getting "no" for an answer. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- President Clinton launched the attack to cripple Saddam's WMD capability. Saddam had placed so many restrictions on UNSCOM that UNSCOM left Iraq. Therefore, there was no longer any surveillance of Saddam's WMD development status. However, the final UNSCOM report stated that Iraq was proceeding as fast as it could given the presence of UNSCOM. The UNSCOM inspectors were mapping out the target areas that are now being hit in Iraq--that's why Saddam wanted them out of there. Since Iraq could develop a serious arsenal in just a few months, President Clinton had to move fairly fast.Then why didn't he move before? Since it would be awkward to start the bombing during Ramadan, the JCS advised him to act now. How is going to be able to call off this massive attack in less than a week and for the entire month of Ramadan? The brouhaha about the timing is just more Republican hysteria. Anyway, it is not a big deal to put off the impeachment (coup d'etat) vote for another few weeks. As with the African embassy bombings, the domestic issue actually detracts from the foreign policy issue. Who believes for a minute that this spin about the "WMD" has anything to do with this? It's about oil and keeping a US military presence in the region. The WMDs of the rest of the world don't bother the US. Too bad all this ZOG business obscures that discussion. kt DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fun Reading
-Caveat Lector- Lewis Lapham has outdone himself in the January issue of Harper's Mag. The title of his Notebook feature is "Italian Opera." It's one of the funniest things I've read in a long time.Merry Christmas, everybody. Or have a great holiday of your choice. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Some Thought on Iraq
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 1:38:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The peoples of Iraq face the same dilemma that Americans do - removing a unfit leader (some believe his is unfit) from office. Each of our peoples are presented with problems in doing just that. Though considering the growing number of corpses surrounding the Clinton Administration I suspect that these problems that one could encounter are very similar indeed. It's really inconvenient when the facts get in the way, as Reagan would say. Most Americans are not confronted with the problem of removing their democratically elected leader. Most Americans are confronted with a radical right-wing cabal and a compliant press who are attempting to remove the President on a trivial legalism. As for the corpses, i suggest that you visit the urban legends site. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skolnick: Various Dangers To Clinton and Gore
-Caveat Lector- SKOLNICK: VARIOUS DANGERS TO CLINTON AND GORE = (CNNS, 12/17/98) -- The air is thick with plots in Washington, D.C., according to renowned investigator Sherman H. Skolnick. On Wednesday, Dec. 16, 1998, according to Mr. Skolnick's sources, over a score of top-level military brass, Admirals and Generals, were considering how to go about arresting President Bill Clinton, their Commander-in-Chief, under provisions of the U.S. Military Code. An actual arrest has yet to occur. But any acceleration of the current conflict with Iraq, specifically the introduction of U.S. ground troops there, could be the final impetus for a serious split within the U.S. military, says Skolnick. We have already seen serious divisions erupting within political ranks here in the U.S. -- for example Sen. Trent Lott's unprecedented public remarks which questioned Bill Clinton's true motivation for bombing Iraq. At this point, says Skolnick, Bill Clinton is perceived by many as a "dead duck": politically finished. This news service (Conspiracy Nation News Service) had earlier stated the same: that "Bill Clinton is Finished." (CNNS, 12/11/98) Waiting in the wings to pick up the presidential mantle is U.S. Vice President Al Gore. But Gore, says Mr. Skolnick, is himself in danger. Skolnick believes there is and has been an ongoing plot to somehow eliminate Al Gore. Mr. Skolnick especially fears that Gore might even be assassinated. Hoping to avert such an awful circumstance, Mr. Skolnick has been trying to alert the public about the possibility of such an event. According to some news reports, a vote in the House of Representatives on the impeachment of Bill Clinton is imminent. Such a House vote could occur as early as Sunday, Dec. 20th. If the House votes for impeachment, the question arises, says Skolnick, as to whether Bill Clinton can remain as Acting President while a trial in the U.S. Senate hangs over his head. It may be that Al Gore would have to step in as Acting President, unless and until the Senate finally acquits Clinton of pending charges. And, as Acting President, Al Gore could even appoint an Acting Vice-President, such as Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia. In conversations with members of Al Gore's family, Mr. Skolnick has been asked for advice. "What should we do?" they reportedly have inquired. Skolnick's advice? Buy more life insurance. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + INFORMATION PLEASE: Conspiracy Nation News Service (CNNS) is a co-operative effort. Without the hints/rumors provided by many excellent sources, we could not exist. Have YOU heard anything lately that might be important? Pass it along to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anonymity is guaranteed. If you prefer, send your news tip or clues on same to: Brian Redman, 310 S. Prairie (#202), Champaign, IL 61820. Or you can go to a pay phone and call in your news tip: 217-356-4418. THEY will never tell us the whole truth about what is going on. But we, the People, working together, can find out what is REALLY happening. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- Ladies first Prudy Can't you even come up with one item? At least you didn't spout that anti-Republican crap this time Come on THINK... surely there must be at least one thing you can invent! I have to go to work now, but I will post at least five items after work... then maybe you can post five, but I doubt it. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 3:50:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have to go to work now, but I will post at least five items after work... then maybe you can post five, but I doubt it. Regards, Bob Stokes But you had 20 right on the tip of your tongue. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 3:50:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ladies first Prudy Can't you even come up with one item? Oh, okay. I think the family leave act was a pretty good idea. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NEW SUBJECT: Millenium Bug
-Caveat Lector- Hi, i'm new to this list but i was wondering if anyone had discussed the high probability of the Millenium Bug being a government (New World Order?) conspiracy. It seems highly unlikely that no one was aware of the fact that 90% of computers did not recognise the year 2000. It also seems unlikely that it has only been mentioned in the last 2 years. Let's face it, the world could potentially fall into mass chaos. As we all know, this kind of situation can be advantageous to a lot of people in power Richard B. Hey Richard, welcome to the list! I've been researching the issue rather extensively and I've been asking the same questions you have. As for it becoming advantageous for the elite, I know that is extremely probable. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe they would even help the problem to be worse then what it naturally will have been. I see them having to create or for there to be a time of crisis for them to implement their NWO philosophy on us all through martial law. And what better for it to be a Crisis that affects the whole globe. Something else we need to understand is that in order for their plan to work, they need computers, satellites, communication towers etc... I'm sure all these devices won't fail. So to answer your question... Yes, they knew about Y2K, but it was only for them to know and us to know only when it was too late. In Christ, Jamie DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- Not to nose in nor to be imprudent, but: Ironically, whether the Congress or the people who (supposedly) put them there like it or not, the whole debate has raised the level of understanding about their government. I'm not sure anyone really intended for this to happen or is ready for the results, outcome, or conclusion. I liken it to a distilling process where all the ingredients -- including impurities -- are being precipitated out of the mass. I have never seen the government in so much chaos -- it's as if the ship of state has been caught in a typhoon and we're hoping someone knows how to steer it to calmer waters. Nonetheless, everyone's sailorness is being tested and new knowledge and skills are being gained at every tossing by the waves and every gust of wind. I imagine some will be unable to keep their bearings and some will swept overboard. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust -- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob : Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 2:03 PM : : -Caveat Lector- : : In a message dated 98-12-17 13:49:37 EST, you write: : : i will take your challenge if you could name one thing the republicrats : have not done in persuit of their goal of enslaving the human race and : wrecking the planet. does anyone know if his spout is still going? : : sirhC : : Just as I thought, you can't name anything he's done for the United : States. Your position has no reasons to support Clinton other than he is a : Democrat. : : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER : == : CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic : screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters : and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright : frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects : spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL : gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; : be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and : nazi's need not apply. : : Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. : : : To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Olympiana: 12-17: Bribery
-Caveat Lector-
Is nothing sacred?
From Associated press (via Sydney {Australia} Morning Herald)
Friday, December 18, 1998
IOC bribes: Hodler mistrusts 25
Zurich: The Olympic executive whose accusations of bribery and blackmail
rocked the International Olympic Committee said yesterday that as many as
25 members of the IOC's 114 voting members might have received favours or
cash for votes in four recent elections to choose sites for the Games.
"That's the absolute maximum because I trust all the others," Mr Marc
Hodler was quoted as saying in yesterday's edition of USA Today.
Mr Hodler, an 80-year-old lawyer and senior member of the IOC executive
board, has not identified any IOC members who might have taken bribes.
The IOC began investigating Salt Lake City's successful 2002 winter
Olympics bid after organisers disclosed they had made payments of about
$650,000 in scholarship funds to 13 people, including six relatives of IOC
members.
Mr Hodler said Salt Lake City had turned over 25 pages listing payments in
its "humanitarian assistance" program.
"They've got a lot of information. They're not limited to the
scholarships," Mr Hodler was reported as saying.
He said the new summary detailed more than $1million in payments, some of
it unrelated to IOC members.
Mr Hodler said he went public on Saturday with allegations of corruption in
the Olympic bidding process because he feared a cover-up of the Salt Lake
City scandal.
"The feeling crept up on me that certain people are afraid of this case and
wanted to sweep everything under the carpet," he told the daily newspaper
Neue Zuercher Zeitung in Zurich, Switzerland.
"Because of various misunderstandings, I was under the impression that some
of my colleagues might try not to uncover mistakes made by some members of
the IOC and lay all the blame on the Salt Lake City organising committee,"
he also told Zurich's Tages-Anzeiger daily.
"I'm not acting for Salt Lake City but for justice."
Mr Hodler said on Saturday that Salt Lake City had been "blackmailed" by
agents promising to secure votes during its Olympic bid. He said four
agents, including one member of the IOC, had been involved in vote-buying
schemes over the past 10 years.
He cited supposed irregularities over the selection of Sydney, Atlanta,
Nagano and Salt Lake City, although under questioning conceded he had no
proof of corruption with Sydney's bid.
"I don't enjoy being a member of a club that has a bad reputation," Mr
Hodler told Neue Zuercher Zeitung. "In contrast to what you might believe,
I'm probably the best friend of IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch."
Mr Hodler said he wanted a small group to select Olympic cities rather than
the entire IOC membership.
- Associated Press
From National Post (Canada)
Thursday, December 17, 1998
IOC representative claims he has a 'cheat list'
Vote-Buying Schemes: Most accusations focus on officials in developing
nations
Chris Jones
National Post, with files from The Associated Press and The Canadian Press
Salt Lake City's Olympic flame is fuelled with dirty money, and Marc
Hodler, a top member of the International Olympic Committee, says he has
the names to prove it.
Hodler, who claimed last week that some IOC officials have been involved in
vote-buying schemes for a decade, said yesterday he has a list of members
allegedly involved in influence-peddling during Salt Lake City's successful
bid for the 2002 Winter Olympics.
He said that at most, fewer than 25 members of the 115-member IOC received
favours or cash in exchange for their votes.
Salt Lake City officials have admitted that during the bidding process,
which ended in 1995, scholarships and athlete-training programs were made
available to 13 people, at least six of whom were relatives of IOC members.
The payments were bankrolled under the guise of "humanitarian assistance."
But the $632,000 in payments, detailed in bank statements now in Hodler's
possession, may have broken IOC rules which ban bid cities from offering
gifts worth more than $150 to committee members or their relatives.
Sonia Essomba, the daughter of the late Rene Essomba - an IOC member from
Cameroon - has been named by a Salt Lake City television station as one of
the beneficiaries. The senior Essomba was a wealthy and well-connected
professor of surgery and the secretary general of the National Olympic
Committees of Africa.
Most of the accusations of vote-buying centre on officials from developing
countries.
"We see exactly to whom the payments were transferred," Hodler told the
Swiss newspaper Neue Zuercher Zeitung. "Some of the recipients are IOC
members. Others are apparently the sons and daughters of IOC members.
"Then there are also the names of unknown people. But this may have to do
with relatives of IOC members. Checks on this are being carried out."
Since the Salt Lake City scandal broke three weeks ago, and Hodler's
startling admission last week that "there has always, always,
Re: [CTRL] Skolnick: Various Dangers To Clinton and Gore
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 3:48:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday, Dec. 16, 1998, according to Mr. Skolnick's sources, over a score of top-level military brass, Admirals and Generals, were considering how to go about arresting President Bill Clinton, their Commander-in-Chief, under provisions of the U.S. Military Code. This is pure bunk. We are not some banana republic. One or two generals, ala General Walker during the 1960s, may be treasonous and looney as well but not more than a score. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] test
-Caveat Lector- test DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] God's Banker
-Caveat Lector- from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_195000/195136.stm World: Europe Gelli deported back to Italy Licio Gelli pictured at his home in Arezzo, Tuscany before he fled Italy A financier convicted of corruption for his part in the Banco Ambrosiano scandal has been extradited from France to begin a 12-year prison sentence in his native Italy. Licio Gelli, 79, is a former grandmaster of the P2 (Propaganda-Due) Masonic lodge, which was linked to extreme right-wing groups in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Gelli was found guilty of fraud arising from the 1982 collapse of the Banco Ambrosiano, which had close ties to the Vatican. He fled six months ago while on parole at his home in Tuscany but Italian police tracked him down to Cannes on the French Riviera. In poor health Gelli suffered a mild heart attack shortly after his arrest and is then said to have tried to commit suicide while in hospital in Marseille. On Friday Gelli flew into Rome's Ciampino airport amid tight security and was whisked off to the city's Regina Coeli jail. Gelli has been periodically on the run since 1981 when he fled to Switzerland after P2 was unearthed during an inquiry into Roberto Calvi, a freemason who was found hanged from London's Blackfriars Bridge. He was arrested while trying to withdraw tens of millions of dollars from a special bank account in Geneva but escaped from a Swiss prison. Billions of missing dollars Gelli fled to South America but gave himself up in 1987 and was extradited to Italy. Banco Ambrosiano was Italy's largest private bank but collapsed with $1bn of debts. He is also facing a three year sentence in connection with the workings of P2. Investigations into P2, whose 1,000 members including politicians, businessmen and military officers, have failed to prove the lodge conspired with right-wing extremists and the Mafia to destabilise Italy through bombings and violence. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NEW SUBJECT: Millenium Bug
-Caveat Lector- Hi, i'm new to this list but i was wondering if anyone had discussed the high probability of the Millenium Bug being a government (New World Order?) conspiracy. It seems highly unlikely that no one was aware of the fact that 90% of computers did not recognise the year 2000. It also seems unlikely that it has only been mentioned in the last 2 years. Let's face it, the world could potentially fall into mass chaos. As we all know, this kind of situation can be advantageous to a lot of people in power Richard B. Hey Richard, welcome to the list! I've been researching the issue rather extensively and I've been asking the same questions you have. As for it becoming advantageous for the elite, I know that is extremely probable. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe they would even help the problem to be worse then what it naturally will have been. I see them having to create or for there to be a time of crisis for them to implement their NWO philosophy on us all through martial law. And what better for it to be a Crisis that affects the whole globe. Something else we need to understand is that in order for their plan to work, they need computers, satellites, communication towers etc... I'm sure all these devices won't fail. So to answer your question... Yes, they knew about Y2K, but it was only for them to know and us to know only when it was too late. In Christ, Jamie DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] !!! NEWS FLASH !!!
-Caveat Lector- At 01:03 PM 12/17/98 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 9:23:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They don't have to strike today, tomorrow or next month. The people have no where go . EXCEPT TO PUT UP A SMOKE SCREEN to cover up for a criminal politician, there is no reason why this must be done today, The UNSCOM report had just come out stating that there is every sign that Saddam is going ahead with his WMD program. In the meantime, Saddam had shut the UNSCOM down so surveillance was no longer taking place. Since Iraq could develop a major capability in just a few months, Clinton had to act fast. Since launching an attack during Ramadan would be awkward, Wednesday was a good choice. I trust you are not like Trent "draft dodger" Lott who complained a short while back that Clinton missed an opportunity to bomb Iraq. Now, of course, he is in a rage over the bombing. Could it be that Lott is so unprincipled that his stance merely depends upon what political wind seems convenient? Incidentally, Lott was full of praise for the racist group that Bob "family values" Barr recently keynoted for. I do agree that innocent people will be injured and killed in addition to their property destroyed and they will be indirectly harmed by destruction of utilities. That is why people like Lugar, Gingrich, and Lott should not be so eager for war as a way to prove their manhood, i.e. show machismo by sending other to die. Strange how on the right, with people like Safire who have been screaming for the US to bomb Iraq, there are now only pacifists. Jerry harp -- Apparently, some persons disagree... Barb Pentagon officials dispute timing The Washington Times 12/17/98 Rowan Scarborough The White House notified the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Sunday that President Clinton would order air strikes this week, 48 hours before he saw a United Nations report declaring Iraq in noncompliance with weapons inspectors, it was learned from authoritative sources last night. Several Pentagon officials have questioned Mr. Clinton's timing to order strikes on the eve of the House impeachment debate. Pentagon sources said National Security Council aides told the Joint Chiefs to quickly update a bombing plan that was shelved in mid-November and were told that a strike would be ordered in a matter of days. Israeli spokesman Aviv Bushinsky said yesterday in Jerusalem that President Clinton discussed preparations for an attack with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu just minutes before Mr. Clinton flew home from Israel's Ben-Gurion Airport on Tuesday, ending a three-day peace mission. White House spokesman Joe Lockhart insisted that Mr. Clinton made the strike decision yesterday based on the U.N. finding of noncompliance. Nevertheless, a senior congressional source, who asked not to be named, said senior Pentagon officers expressed great skepticism to him about the raids. This source said that the White House eagerness to launch air strikes grew with intensity as a parade of centrist Republicans announced they would vote to impeach the president, in a vote originally scheduled for today. "I have had senior flag and general officers question the timing," the congressional source said. "I have had senior military officers laughing. I hate to say that. ... Why now? He hasn't built a coalition. He hasn't done anything. Why this timing?" Reporters and others traveling with the president in the Middle East remarked during last weekend that the president seemed uncharacteristically unconcerned about events unfolding in Washington, and several White House aides expressed puzzlement that the president seemed to have lost his "fighting spirit." Mrs. Clinton was noticeably cool to the president as their visit there continued and drew away from him on several public occasions. The Joint Chiefs were described as strongly supporting yesterday's attack. They wanted to launch missiles in mid-November, after Saddam Hussein evicted inspectors. The president called off the attack just minutes before "H hour" after Saddam promised to cooperate with inspectors. Defense Secretary William S. Cohen yesterday strongly disputed charges the attack is linked to impeachment. "The only factor, from my point of view ... or for anyone else's point of view, was what is the national security interests of the United States," Mr. Cohen said. "We are convinced. We have absolutely no doubt this is the right decision." Mr. Cohen also said war planners preferred not to attack during Ramadan, the monthlong Islamic observance beginning this weekend. This is the second time military officers and experts have questioned whether Mr. Clinton timed U.S. military action to take attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. In August, as Miss Lewinsky finished testimony
Re: [CTRL] Skolnick: Various Dangers To Clinton and Gore
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 3:48:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday, Dec. 16, 1998, according to Mr. Skolnick's sources, over a score of top-level military brass, Admirals and Generals, were considering how to go about arresting President Bill Clinton, their Commander-in-Chief, under provisions of the U.S. Military Code. This is pure bunk. Hmmm"pure bunk": good "sound-bite"; sounds authoritative. We are not some banana republic. On the contrary, we are the banana republic *par excelence* since, after all, We Are Chiquita (and United Fruit), and the others are just imitators. Brian Redman Conspiracy Nation News Service (CNNS) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Bull! He was sworn to give truthful testimony in a sexual harassment case...sexual harassment IS a crime... E Mael wrote: it could certainly be said that monica sexually harassed him into their sex acts. it might do well for you to think about your posts before jetting them off for all to see, without any thought as to what you are actually saying. MJ: sexual harassment noun Unwanted and offensive sexual advances or sexually derogatory or discriminatory remarks, as those made by an employer to an employee. The case was Ms. Jones' ... and has NOTHING to do with your red herring. Perhaps *you* should take your own advice. Regard$, --MJ ... where corruption and public crimes are not carefully opposed, and severely punished, neither liberty nor security can possibly subsist. -- Cato's Letters (1721) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine Ratliff wrote: Ironically, whether the Congress or the people who (supposedly) put them there like it or not, the whole debate has raised the level of understanding about their government. MJ: Are you certain it is NOT a 'race' to see who can 'instruct' the public on what they are to believe? We are a body politic of myrmidons for the most part. Regard$, --MJ It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true. -- Paul Watson, founder of Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, okay. I think the family leave act was a pretty good idea. MJ: For whom? o The Legislation is UNCONSTITUTIONAL o This is one of the government's direct causes for the increase in temporary agencies o This 'act' has caused MORE abuses o It is not government's place to circumvent a contract Regard$, --MJ The classic redistribution-of-wealth mentality works this way: A and B get together to impose a tax on C so they can give his money to D, who out of a mix of envy of C, gratitude to A and B, and selfishness, then votes for A and B again so they can repeat the process next year. A and B justify playing Robin Hood by claiming that C has plenty of money and, in any event, has a social responsibility to help 'the needy'. Of course, D is 'needy'. -- William Stanmeyer DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Skolnick: Various Dangers To Clinton and Gore
-Caveat Lector- At 05:21 PM 12/17/98 -0500, Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is pure bunk. We are not some banana republic. Maybe you should inform your buddy Clinton. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Honour Among ...
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.rollcall.com Livingston Confesses Affairs By Jim VandeHei House Speaker Bob Livingston (R-La.) tonight plans to disclose to the Republican Conference that he has had sexual affairs in his past and will offer to resign his post, according to GOP sources. Livingston confirmed to Roll Call, "When I did an early interview with the media after announcing my candidacy for Speaker I told a reporter that I was running for Speaker, not SAINTHOOD. There was a good reason for those words." Picture: Bob Livingston "I have decided to inform my colleagues and constituents that during my 33-year marriage to my wife, Bonnie, I have on occasion strayed from my marriage and doing so nearly cost me my marriage and my family," he said. "I want to assure everyone that these indiscretions were not with employees on my staff and I have never been asked to testify under oath about them," he wrote. Sources said Livingston will offer his resignation to the entire GOP Conference. But Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Texas) will stand up and say Livingston should not resign his post, sources said. Sources said the affairs occurred during Livingston's Congressional career. Sources say Livingston was called recently and told a story about his past could be coming out soon. Livingston first came to Congress after winning a special election in 1977 because an independent candidate backed by labor unions siphoned off support from Democratic nominee Ron Faucheaux. Livingston was nominated to be the next Speaker by the GOP Conference Nov. 18. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, E Mael wrote: it could certainly be said that monica sexually harassed him into their sex acts. How? Did she hold a gun to Bubba's head and force him to go down on her? I don't care if she pranced into the Oval Office stark naked and threw herself on him -- he, as a man more than twice her age, he as a married man, he as her employer, should have just said "Thank you Miss Lewinsky, I find your interest flattering, but inappropriate...", and escorted her out the door...and immediately seen to it that she was transferred elsewhere, where they would not have contact with each other... If she indeed DID stalk him, then he should have had her fired, and gotten a restraining order against her... it might do well for you to think about your posts before jetting them off for all to see, without any thought as to what you are actually saying. Just because YOU are thoughtless, doesn't mean the rest of us are. Talk about not thinking before posting, I suggest you reread YOUR post, perhaps it will dawn on you just how preposterous and ridiculous it is... June *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sexual harassment IS a crime. I don't think asking is a crime? Sure it is, if the person asking is in a position of authority. June *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ru Mills' Dream
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Brian Redman wrote: In light of a report that Sherman Skolnick is saying an attempt to arrest Bill Clinton had occurred yesterday afternoon, a I sincerely doubt this happened, as the President of the United States can not be subjected to criminal proceedings until he is out of office... June ! _ _ _ _ _ _` __ _ _ _ |_ . _ _ _ | -~*~- _/_)(/_(_|/_)(_)| )/_) (_|| (/_(/_ | || )(_|/_) o /!\_| _| /%;@\ o/@,%\o /%;`@,\ o/@'%',\o '^^^M^^^` www.xs4all.nl/~klr *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Perhaps *you* should take your own advice. i will take my own advice. you seem to be the penultimate narcissist, no one can touch you. it would be adding hominem to suggest that the real red herring is the one in your underpants so i won't, much. you will let me know if you have any more advice for me, won't you? hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Regard$, --MJ The classic redistribution-of-wealth mentality works this way: A and B get together to impose a tax on C so they can give his money to D, who out of a mix of envy of C, gratitude to A and B, and selfishness, then votes for A and B again so they can repeat the process next year. A and B justify playing Robin Hood by claiming that C has plenty of money and, in any event, has a social responsibility to help 'the needy'. Of course, D is 'needy'. -- William Stanmeyer or in other words: i got mine and F**k the rest of yas. hold on to you red herring it may not be much but its all you got. chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A Fresh Look At Clinton
-Caveat Lector- WARNING: What follows is a personal opinion piece that does NOT go into detail about perjury under oath, dishonesty, political scandal, cigars, or anything else that has been gracing the headlines for the past months. Do not simply delete this, thinking that it is nothing but more of the same old Republican Moralistic Posturing, or outraged cries of Its not about sex! The following is something I consider to be fresh stomping ground, and should cause those who are capable of thinking to do so. With Bill Clintons impeachment trials just around the corner, and public opinion on the fairness and legitimacy of the crusade against Clinton being espoused and dictated by more polls and editorials than the average human can normally stomach in a single sitting, I have decided to finally throw my own conscience grenades into the philosophical battlegrounds. I fully realise that anybody and everybody has their own beliefs on the subject of Clintons High Crimes Misdemeanours as of late, and be they political or moral justifications, most of them tend to echo and repeat one another with similar (if not identical) arguments. It is with this knowledge that I am offering my own thoughts on the matter for public consumption, for I feel that I have taken a standpoint on this whole Circus Politicus that has not been touched upon by anybody. Some may have hinted in this direction, and others may have poorly summed it up in a snappy catch-phrase of some kind, but I am positive that what follows has not yet been properly preached by anyone. Allow me to be the first. Simply put, I say nail the bastard, and for no other reason than getting even. What do I mean? Well, many of Clintons defenders are quit fond of stating that the only thing that The President is guilty of is cheating on his wife and lying about it, and while Adultery is a bad and naughty thing, it is by no means reason for impeachment, and should only be of concern to him, his wife, and his priest. Not a bad argument, especially for anyone like myself, who feels that the personal life of one individual is no business of anybody but himself, as long as his personal life is in no way harming or victimising another individual. Since most people tend to be (or merely think of themselves as) rational on this level, this argument tends to hold its own. After all, this is a free country. Or is it? Arent we free to consume what we please, as long as we do not harm or victimise anybody else? Yes, we are. But then, what about the countless Americans that are arrested and imprisoned for using recreational drugs that are not deemed legal by our government? Does the pot smoker who lives in the apartment next to me pose any direct threat to me or anybody else, merely because he is smoking pot? Is he any more of a threat to you or me then the millions of people who consume legal drugs like nicotine and caffeine and alcohol. People are harassed and imprisoned, their possessions confiscated and sold, their lives torn apart, not because they have used a mind altering substance for recreational purposes, but because they have used a mind altering substance that our government does not approve of for recreational purposes. Arent we free to pursue personal and intimate relationships with whomever we want to, as long as we do not harm or victimise anybody else in the process? Yes, we are. But then, what about the countless men and women who are arrested and imprisoned for sleeping with one another, because one of them has paid the other for the privilege? Does the prostitute standing on the street corner or sitting in the brothel pose any direct threat to me or anybody else, simply because she is offering to have sex with someone in exchange for money? Or the john that of his own free will offers to pay her for her services, does he pose any direct threat to me or anybody else, merely because he is willing to take her up on her offer? Going beyond that, what about all of the gay and lesbian couples who are unable to legally enjoy a mutual existence the way any heterosexual couple can, because our government has seen fit to judge them as unworthy of vowing themselves to one another? What about the gays and lesbians who have been told that they are not worthy of fighting and possibly dying for their country because of their sexual preference, but that they may still join as long as they keep their homosexuality a deep, dark secret? Yes, we are free. As long as the government approves of what we do to amuse ourselves. Or what we consume, and why we consume it. Or who we sleep with, and why we sleep with them. Because if the government does not approve of our choices in these matters, then they will harass us, vilify us, arrest us, imprison us (around 70% of the inmate population of most city prisons consists solely of people who have committed Consensual Crimes harming no
Re: [CTRL] !!! NEWS FLASH !!!
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Gerald Harp wrote: I trust you are not like Trent "draft dodger" Lott who complained a short while back that Clinton missed an opportunity to bomb Iraq. "Trent 'draft dodger' Lott"? Perhaps you can elucidate on CLINTON's military experience for us? June *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Wisdom and Honor from the House Republicans?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Vanguard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vanguard of the Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 2:38 AM Subject: VANGUARD: Wisdom and Honor Vanguard of the Revolution National Edition By Syndicated Columnist and Commentator Rod D. Martin http://www.theVanguard.org WISDOM AND HONOR by Rod D. Martin, 16 December 1998 With a courage none would have believed just after last month's elections, the House Judiciary Committee voted this weekend four articles of impeachment against President Bill Clinton. Their consultants told them this would be suicide. The polls told them they were risking everything. The Democrats offered them censure, an unconstitutional, horrible precedent-setting, but nevertheless politically-popular way out. They assessed their lives, decided who they were, and cast their votes. They are heroes. By contrast, with his political efforts failing, his personal threats against individual "swing" members such as Arkansas's Jay Dickey backfiring, and an almost certain impeachment vote by the whole House looming on the morrow, Bill Clinton showed tonight a craven cowardice unlike any in the history of the Republic. He again "wags the dog." He again bombs Iraq. He again takes the lives of thousands of innocent civilians, carefully calculating that the political price will be small since, by using cruise missiles, no American lives will be lost. And he does it while straight-facedly telling us the reason is Saddam's "lies," his years of "intentional obstruction." It is an irony worthy of the devils in Hell. Does this seem too harsh a judgement? Then let us look at the year that has been 1998, and see how regularly trod has been this ground. 1. January. The Monica Lewinsky story breaks. Within two weeks, Clinton has America on full alert for war in Iraq. The Lewinsky crisis, initially said by even the liberal media (including Cokie and Sam) to require his resignation "before the State of the Union", recedes. 2. June. Linda Tripp is slated to testify before the grand jury. On the morning of her testimony, Clinton fires cruise missiles at two Iraqi radar stations, resulting in almost no coverage of Tripp. 3. August. Clinton makes his "apology" speech, which backfires. Three days later, US forces bomb Afghanistan and Sudan, again averting an almost certain swift impeachment. Cokie Roberts calls this "wagging the dog" on national television, but it accomplishes Clinton's purpose nevertheless. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff admits on live national television, thirty minutes after the bombing, that the attack was neither in response to any imminent threat, nor targeted any particular person, much less a "conference of terrorists" as Clinton later (implausibly) claimed. Two of the four camps bombed in Afghanistan are later shown to have no connection to bogeyman-of-the-week Osama Bin Laden, while the Sudanese target proves to have been a civilian facility with no production of any substance remotely useful for chemical weapons. 4. Today. Some may suggest we should give Clinton the benefit of the doubt, and perhaps in January they might have had a point; but the reality is clear. Every time Clinton gets in a fix, he uses our armed forces to commit mass murder to cover his crimes. This is nothing less, and a great deal more, than David's dealings with Uriah the Hittite. It is time we say so. Some may also suggest that, regardless of the motivation, Clinton's actions against Iraq, whatever they are, are justified, and that we need to slow down the impeachment process to allow him to act "in the interests of the American people." Yet whatever truth there is to the evils of Saddam - and there is much truth indeed - this precisely misses the point. The fact that Clinton, shown plainly on national television to be a serial-felon, is in office while so much danger exists in the world is the most compelling reason why he must be removed with all haste. His willingness to misuse our armed forces in this way is itself impeachable, and the fact that we cannot trust him with power, or with anything else, requires that we replace him immediately. We simply cannot entrust our war-making power to a criminal. For some crazy reason, modern Americans have a hard time grasping this last point. They should look to the history of one of their closest allies for the reason why. Today, Bill Clinton uses the military to create a crisis, stopping the House from impeaching him, at least for a time. It has only been a scant six decades since another wildly-popular elected leader, of equal willingness to take lives for political ends and of equal willingness to tell lies both in speeches and under oath, found his political needs so great that he had the Reichstag burned. It took a world war to restore liberty to Germany. What will it take to restore "equal justice under law" to America if the felon is allowed
[CTRL] Scott Ritter: US Officials Created The Crisis
-Caveat Lector- New York Post, 12/17/98 *Former chief U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter accused Clinton of being on a "Wag the Dog" schedule, saying U.S. officials created a crisis that would justify a bombing by pushing inspection teams to return to Iraq last month. New York Post NEWS FIREFIGHTS IN GULF AND FIREWORKS IN CONGRESS By TRACY CONNOR __ It was a day of fast-breaking, wide-ranging developments as the White House juggled the deepening crises in Iraq and at home: *Cruise missiles slammed into Iraq after President Clinton launched "Operation Desert Fox" with a surprise attack on Saddam Hussein for refusing to cooperate with United Nations weapon inspectors. *House leaders delayed an impeachment vote against Clinton - deciding instead to vote today on a resolution supporting American troops in the Persian Gulf. *In a 15-minute address to the nation after the bombs started falling on Baghdad, the president denied the raids were a plot to divert attention from Sexgate. *Top congressional GOP leaders, including Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, were quick to criticize the timing of the attack. "Why now?" asked Rep. Gerald Solomon (R-N.Y.), who accused the president of trying to delay the impeachment vote. Democrats and some Republicans defended Clinton's decision. *Defense Secretary William Cohen ordered a sharp increase in American air and ground forces in the Gulf, and officials said the bombing raids could last four days. *Grim-faced Prime Minister Tony Blair announced Britain had joined in the attack against Iraq. "We have exhausted all other avenues," he said. *U.N. weapons inspection teams were hurriedly evacuated from Baghdad in a convoy hours before the attack. The crisis reached a boiling point after a blistering report to the U.N. by chief arms inspector Richard Butler, who said the Iraqis had once again refused to cooperate by blocking access to sites and hindering inspections. *Former chief U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter accused Clinton of being on a "Wag the Dog" schedule, saying U.S. officials created a crisis that would justify a bombing by pushing inspection teams to return to Iraq last month. *Officials confirmed they timed the airstrikes so they would not interfere with the projected start of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month of dawn-to-dusk fasting, prayer and reflection. *Hours before the strikes, Saddam told his country Iraq would not "kneel" before the United States. Iraqi radio reported he and his top aides were preparing for strikes by dividing the country into four regional commands. *Early reaction to the strikes from U.S. allies was mixed - with Canada backing the military action while France tried to distance itself from the bombing, noting the "grave human consequences." *Israeli defense chiefs met late into the night to prepare for possible retaliatory Scud attacks by Saddam Hussein in a replay of Desert Storm. *The double whammy of Iraq and impeachment triggered a stock-market drop, with the Dow falling 32.70 to 8,790.60, although historically low oil prices and oil stocks were boosted by the latest Gulf crisis. * Arab-Americans in New York expressed skepticism about the raids, as 80 protesters in Times Square blasted the United States, shouting "Let Iraq live." *In Los Angeles, Hollywood stars including Ted Danson, Barbra Streisand and Jack Nicholson backed Clinton during an anti-impeachment rally. *Officials said reputed terror boss Osama bin Laden has ordered new "unusually specific" attacks on American targets in the Persian Gulf. Meanwhile, five more fugitives were charged with the August attack on a U.S. embassy in Tanzania, which bin Laden is accused of orchestrating. __ MORE NEWS [INLINE] Copyright (c) 1998, N.Y.P. Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part in any form or medium without express written permission of the New York Post is prohibited. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- MJ quoted: The classic redistribution-of-wealth mentality works this way: A and B get together to impose a tax on C so they can give his money to D, who out of a mix of envy of C, gratitude to A and B, and selfishness, then votes for A and B again so they can repeat the process next year. A and B justify playing Robin Hood by claiming that C has plenty of money and, in any event, has a social responsibility to help 'the needy'. Of course, D is 'needy'. -- William Stanmeyer E Mael wrote: or in other words: i got mine and F**k the rest of yas. MJ: No actually it goes more towards Politicians 'buying' votes and/or individuals utilizing the Government as the instrument of plunder. But then you were only commenting in an effort to remove all doubt. Regard$, --MJ The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see ... -- Dominique Francon DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: 'Tis the Season to Be Homeless
"The U.S. Conference of Mayors reported a 15% increase in the number of homeless families requesting shelter this year. It cited lack of affordable housing as one reason for the increase. "Welfare benefit cutoffs and reductions are kicking in all across the country. When they do, the result seems to be the same -- more homeless families. "'Almost all of our emergency facilities for women and children are full, have waiting lists and are turning people away,'' said a Baltimore homeless shelter director. "In 10 major cities within the last year, almost half of all families on welfare became homeless after their benefits were reduced or eliminated." More Kids Becoming Homeless BOSTON (AP) -- Volunteers have been wrapping thousands of sweaters, stuffed animals and Barbie dolls to give to 1,600 children during a holiday bash at the Bayside Expo Center on Sunday. The kids will sing carols, eat goodies and ride ponies. The cheer will be short-lived, however, because after the party, more than half of the children will go back to homeless shelters. Every year, children are homeless, but advocates for the poor say the situation looks especially grim now, with the effects of the national overhaul of welfare just beginning to be felt. The U.S. Conference of Mayors reported Wednesday that 15 percent more homeless families requested shelter this year than last. The mayors cited cuts in public assistance and the lack of affordable housing as two reasons for the increase. In Massachusetts, many welfare recipients stand to lose their cash benefits on Monday as they come up against the two-year time limit imposed by the state's strict welfare reform law. ``The wolf may be approaching the door, but it's not there yet,'' said Philip Mangano, executive director of the Massachusetts Housing and Shelter Alliance. ``It'll be bad enough soon enough.'' Benefit cutoffs and reductions are beginning to kick in at different times all across the country. When they do, the result seems to be the same: more homeless families. Almost half of welfare recipients in 10 cities became homeless between September 1997 and September 1998 after their benefits were reduced or eliminated, according to a survey conducted by Homes for the Homeless, a research center affiliated with Columbia University in New York City. In Newark, N.J., shelters flooded with the working poor are closing because they are financed in large part by programs that don't subsidize people who work. ``If that's happening now in this great economy, what's going to happen when welfare reform kicks in?'' said Cybelle Fox, a research associate for Homes for the Homeless. A November 1998 study by the National Coalition for the Homeless found half of homeless families in Atlanta had recently lost welfare benefits. In Los Angeles, 12 percent of homeless families surveyed said they lost their place to live because of benefit cuts. In one Wisconsin county, homelessness increased by 50 percent for children, but only 1 percent for adult men, a group largely unaffected by welfare reform. ``Almost all of our transitional facilities for women and children are full, have waiting lists and are turning people away,'' said Robert Hess, president of the Center for Poverty Solutions in Baltimore. ``All our emergency shelters for women and children are full and turning people away.'' Hess is keeping a worried eye on Jan. 1, when Maryland imposes its two-year welfare cutoff. In Michigan, mothers who have had their benefits reduced or eliminated can't find jobs that pay enough for rent, health insurance, food and transportation, said Richard Anderson, program director for the Traveler's Aid Society of Detroit. He thinks the Homes for the Homeless study actually underreports the number of families who lost their homes because of welfare reform. Last week, Anderson's group hosted a party similar to the bash scheduled in Boston. About 1,500 homeless children showed up. ``The party was a success inasmuch as the kids had a place to go,'' Anderson said. ``Now what are we going to do with these kids the other 364 days?''
Re: [CTRL] Ru Mills' Dream
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, KA wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Brian Redman wrote: In light of a report that Sherman Skolnick is saying an attempt to arrest Bill Clinton had occurred yesterday afternoon, a I sincerely doubt this happened, as the President of the United States can not be subjected to criminal proceedings until he is out of office... U.S. Prez wears many hats. One hat is Commander-in-Chief. When Commander-in-Chief, legal argument is he's subject to U.S. Military Code. Brian Redman Conspiracy Nation News Service DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Wag the Dog -- Good Doggie
"Speaking of Republicans pushing for impeachment during a war with Iraq, Democrat Charles Rangel said, "In times of war, anyone who conspires against the commander in chief--. This comes a lot closer to the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors than where the president's hands were in the Oval Office.'' "Our troops ``will be demoralized if we do stop this constitutional process,'' added Democrat Duncan Hunter. GOP Wants Impeachment Debate Friday WASHINGTON (AP) -- Brushing aside sharp Democratic protests, Republicans insisted on bringing articles of impeachment against President Clinton to the House floor for a Friday debate despite the continuing campaign of U.S. airstrikes against Iraq. ``We strongly object to this matter coming up tomorrow or the next day or any day in which our young men and women in the military are in harm's way,'' complained Democratic leader Dick Gephardt. ``There's no way to know when the troops will have completed their mission,'' countered Rep. Bob Livingston, the Louisiana Republican in line to become House speaker in January. ``We cannot refrain from advancing the people's business on this critical issue.'' The clash on the House floor Thursday was a prelude to the first presidential impeachment debate in 130 years -- a historic event suddenly made even more remarkable by the military hostilities halfway around the world. Clinton faces four articles of impeachment on perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of power, all stemming from his efforts to conceal a sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. The president's prospects for avoiding impeachment have faded dramatically in recent days as a string of wavering GOP lawmakers announced plans to vote in favor of sending his case to a Senate trial. That drift continued during the day, as a handful of additional Republicans said they would support impeachment, and a few Democrats lined up against. Despite widespread predictions that impeachment would be approved, one Democrat, Rep. Lee Hamilton, D-Ind., cautioned reporters, ``It's still a dynamic situation. It's fluid.'' Many Democrats and a small number of Republicans have called for Clinton's censure, and the president has virtually invited such an outcome for the gravest crisis of his career. But majority Republicans refuse to allow a vote on anything short of impeachment, saying it is up to the Senate to mete out a punishment. Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., also reaffirmed during the day that the Senate would proceed to a trial if the House impeaches Clinton. ``We will go to a trial and there won't be any deal making,'' he said on CNN. An Associated Press survey showed 190 House members in support of impeachment, 184 opposed, and the balance either undecided or unwilling to disclose their decisions. ``I'll let you know tomorrow,'' said Rep. Connie Morella, a Maryland Republican who is among the ranks of uncommitted. ``I want to hear the debate,'' said Rep. Jon Fox of Pennsylvania, who lost his seat in the November election. Rep. Paul McHale, D-Pa., told reporters he had made up his mind but wouldn't disclose his decision because of the ongoing military campaign in Iraq. Republicans grudgingly agreed on Wednesday night to a brief delay in impeachment proceedings that had been set for Thursday. They did so after Clinton went on television to announce the air campaign against Iraq. At the same time, numerous lawmakers said they were deeply suspicious of Clinton's timing, and promised to go ahead as soon as possible. By midday Thursday, they had proposed a schedule for 16 hours of debate, running past midnight Friday, to be followed by votes on Saturday on the four articles of impeachment and a Democratic attempt to force a vote on censure. Democrats scuttled that, citing the troops overseas. Republicans then announced they would bring the issue to the floor under rules that could provide for as little as one hour of debate on what many lawmakers have cited as the most important issue of their careers. House Majority Leader Dick Armey announced that talks with Democrats would continue in hopes of finding agreement on a longer debate time. At the White House, Clinton told reporters he didn't think proceedings on the floor would undercut his ability to carry out the military mission. ``No, I think that, first of all, I'm going to complete this mission,'' he replied -- in words that Armey later read on the House floor in response to Gephardt's comments. Lawmakers of both parties cited men and women in uniform to buttress their points of view -- in unusually strong language. Speaking of the Republicans' stance, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., cited his own service in Korea. ``In times of war, anyone who conspires against the commander in chief, that comes a lost closer to high crimes and misdemeanors than where the president's hands were at any given time in the Oval Office,'' he said. Republicans mustered several
[CTRL] Fwd: NEW BOOK: Diana, Queen of Heaven, the New World Religion
Note from Ru Mills, Editor in Chief, Rumor Mill News Shortly after Princess Diana was murdered, RMNews released this article, Click here to pull up the Conspiracy Nation site where it is still posted, A HREF="ftp://ftp.shout.net/pub/users/bigred/vol10/cn10-95"ftp://ftp.shout.n et/pub/users/bigred/vol10/cn10-95/A Much of the information which was contained in the article came from Rayelan Allan. Rayelan has finally put all of her research into a book. Scroll down, and find out about it. Ru Mills Diana, Queen of Heaven The New World Relgion While Princess Diana Was Alive, The New World Order Plotted to Control Her When She Fell In Love with Dodi Fayed, They knew they had lost control of her. They decided, if they couldn't control her in life, They will control her in death! From the Ancient Goddess, To the New World Order Apocalyptic Worldwide Armageddon Project Bluebeam, Holograms of Messiahs in the Sky Massive Worldwide Mindcontrol And Finally, The Goddess Diana Comes To Save The Earth! The New World Religion Brought to You by The New World Order!! Coming Soon to a Sky Near You! From the Desk of Rayelan Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED]@aol.com About one month after Princess Diana was murdered, I received an anonymous phone call from a man who said he was a historian living in Europe. He told me the place where Diana was killed, Pont de L'Alma, was built on an ancient temple to the Goddess Diana. As I questioned him more, he became nervous. He said he couldn't tell me anymore than what he had already said. He was afraid my telephone was tapped and he indicated that he would be in danger if anyone knew he had given me this information. He hung up abruptly. I pulled out a reference book to check out one of the claims he had made. He told me the world "alma" meant "priestess in the temple of Diana". I found out that the word is actually spelled "almah" and it is a middle eastern word which means "Priestess in the Temple of the Moon Goddess Diana" I then began an extensive search and found that many of the things he told me were confirmed in my reference books. I wrote a 9 page article which I called "Diana, Queen of Heaven". This was the name of the Goddess Diana. She was the Goddess with three faces. The article was put out over the Internet and was reprinted in many newspapers and on added to many websites. It was also mentioned in at least three books. None of the articles or books delved into the deeper aspects of my article, so I decided to write a book. The book will debut at the Global Sciences Conference in Daytona Beach, Florida in March of 1999. Click here A HREF="http://www.globalsciences.com/upcoming.htm"Global Sciences - Upcoming Conference/A for the link to the Global Sciences web site. I have created a small website which gives an outline of the book. Click here for A HREF="http://members.aol.com/rayelan/page/index.htm"Rayelan's Page /A which contains a summary of the soon to be published book, Diana, Queen of Heaven, The New World Religion. Maybe I will see you in Daytona. Rayelan Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Fwd: Daily Brief 981217
THE DAILY BRIEF from INTELLIGENT NETWORK CONCEPTS, INC. Thursday, December 17, 1998 Please take the few minutes necessary to check out the download in the following offer and help ensure the continuation of the free Daily Brief service. Each download helps Today's Sponsor: Zing WHY IS THE INTERNET SO $!#*!$ SLOW ? Get Zing to see fun stuff while you wait for web pages to load! Instead of clicking on a link and staring at the same stupid screen, Zing pops up and shows instant photos, great jokes and plays instant music. You can choose what you want to see and Zing never slows you down! And it is FREE! so give it a try: http://www.cyberbounty.com/ad?a=44b=c=1101 NOTE TO READERS: In an attempt to cover the wide range of responses to, and information concerning, yesterday's U.S. attack on Iraq, we have compiled what we believe to be a balanced series of quotations concerning the subject. The quotations appear in the TOP STORIES section below. (Please direct your comments on this coverage to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ). TOP STORIES * The U.S. and Britain yesterday launched a military strike on Iraq in response to an UNSCOM report to the U.N. Security Council that said Iraq had not fully cooperated with weapons inspection efforts. - reports say yesterday's attacks used only missiles and not manned aircraft, but that future attacks will use other measures. - Iraqi officials say five people have been killed and 30 others injured in the attacks. - the attack has led to a postponement of a U.S. House of Representatives vote on articles of impeachment against President Bill Clinton; the vote is expected to be rescheduled for Friday or Saturday. QUOTATIONS: "Iraq's conduct ensured that no progress was able to be made in either the fields of disarmament or accounting for its prohibited weapons programs." - UNSCOM report to the U.N Security Council on Iraqi disarmament "The exaggerated uproar over the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction is nothing more than a big lie. The other lie is that Iraq poses a threat to its neighbors." - Iraqi U.N. envoy Nizar Hamdoon "I have ordered a strong, sustained series of air strikes against Iraq. They are designed to degrade Saddam's capacity to develop and deliver weapons of mass destruction and to degrade his ability to threaten his neighbors." - U.S. President Bill Clinton (Oval Office address) "...a sad day for the world" - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan "Any use of force, as the president has indicated, involves risk. And, to limit the risk to our troops and to our allies I am ordering a sharp increase in our forces in the Gulf. We are sending an air expedition their wing and more ground troops. Iraq should not misunderstand our determination." - U.S. Sec. of Defense William Cohen "Wicked people bombarded several targets on the soil of your great Iraq, thinking that they will twist your great will and your determination. Resist and fight them as we have always done. God gives you victory, and disgrace will be theirs. - statement from the official Iraqi News Agency "The operation employs U.S. Navy aircraft flying from the decks of the U.S.S. Enterprise. U.S. Air Force and Royal Air Force aircraft operating from land bases in the region, and tomahawk cruise missiles launched from U.S. Navy ships at sea and United States Air Force B-52's." - U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Henry Shelton "There is absolutely no excuse or pretext to use force against Iraq. The use of force not only has serious consequences for the implementation of Security Council resolutions but also poses a threat to international as well as regional stability." - China's U.N. Ambassador Qin Huasen "Any delay would have given Saddam Hussein time to reconstitute his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and undermine international support for our efforts." - Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle and House Minority leader Dick Gephardt "I cannot support this military action in the Persian Gulf at this time. Both the timing and the policy are subject to question." - U.S. Senator Trent Lott (R) "This is a situation of dire relevance to the Security Council mandate and members consequently want to discuss their positions...I'm sure there will be some condemnation." - Russia's U.N. Ambassador Sergey Lavrov "...let me emphasize again that the United States did not go looking for this fight." - U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright "Fight the enemies of God, enemies of the nation, enemies of humanity. God will be on your side and disgrace will
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 7:09:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't care if she pranced into the Oval Office stark naked and threw herself on him Isn't it a little overboard to believe that every consensual illicit affair between adults is a case of sexual harassment? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Answers in English from M.Dagobert
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Jack, Actually, you do not know anything about Plantard if you read the book "The holy blood, the holy Graal", which is in itself a bloody mystery! Indeed, this famous Plantard, the son of a manservant, little-son of a day laborer, originating from Redon through his mother Amélie Raulo, met in 1938 in Paris a cousin, vicar of the parish Saint-Clotilde. The war started and the German occupation in 1940. That poor guy, thanks to the relations of his mother in Redon, heard about the Dagobert family, or more accurately, of Sir René Dagobert, manager of a company in St Nazaire. Sir René Dagobert was my regrets father, whose very important relations in the masonic and industrial world in St Nazaire, could only attract the attention of the Plantard family. This is then, that little by little, Pierre Plantard met members of the Cagoule, a secret society that wished to reverse (destroy) the french republic in the favor of a technocratic system, the Synarchy, whose spiritual power would be in the hand of the roman Catholic Church and the monarchy very well represented by the Habsbourg, nostalgic of the Saint Roman Germanic Empire. When we talk about the Throne and the Altar, we think about the baptem of Clovis which made France the big daugther of the Church (still catholic and roman, of course!). But, when we talk about Clovis we think also about the Merovingians, this kings UN-DONE (Note: game of words in between "faits néants" (undone) and "faineants" for lazy, that was the nickname of the merovingian kings) whose the most famous, the king Dagobert, had the distraction to put his breeches upside down (famous french song about the king Dagobert)... In fact, all these bad stories in children songs only had one goal, to discredite a family and take the power, this is what Pépin le Bref did in 751 in stealing the place of the last merovingian, Childéric lll, with the complicity of a Greek named Zacharie who called himself a pope, when he was only a bishop in Rome. Childéric lll was married to a woman called Gisèle who had wisigothic blood and who said that she was from the filiation of Mary-Magdelein the beloved partner of Jesus. This is why, in Rennes-le-Château, there is a church dedicated to Ste Madelein as well as a path inaugurated en 1902 by the abbe Saunière and the minister of the Arts schools at that time. That path, that anyone can walk on, goes from the collar of Linas to the Pech Cardou and a sign mentions the inauguration of it. Of course, from the deposition of Childéric lll, his son Thierry, young man, promised to the monks of St Wandrille- Fontenelle to perpetuate the memory of his ancestors, which he did in getting married with a viking woman to found a family to which he gave the name of his most famous ancestor: the king Dagobert, who has been compared to Solomon the king of Israel whose the Merovingians asserted the origins through the Egypt (Pharamond = Pharaon = Moïse). This is how, from generation to generation, the Dagobert family transmitted the Tradition of the Egyptians up to Luc Siméon Auguste Dagobert also called de Fontenille (contraction of Fontenelle and Wandrille). That one, nephew of the count of St Germain who initiated Cagliostro and Philippe d'Orléans, became chief general of the army of the oriental Pyrénées during the french Revolution. The Convention gave him the mission of relieving (destitution) the Bourbon family from Spain according to the plan of Carnot, organizer of the victory. Unfortunately, he had been poisoned by traitors in the Lodge of the Philadelphes of Narbonne, some bad Knights of Malta who prefigurated the Opus Dei which nowadays tries to destroy the French Republic in the profit of the Habsbourg allied with the Bourbons. This is why, in accordance with a lot of french politicians, we ask to Jacques Chirac, our President of the Republic, to make a referendum about the treaty of Amsterdam which assures the independance of France in the united Europe. I hope that I answered as well as possible to your additional questions. Kind regards Roger-René Dagobert To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: conspiracy theories and clandestine politics
[Only the first part of this message is displayed. The entire message has been turned into a text attachment, which you can retrieve by selecting Download. Once downloaded, open it with a word processor or text editor for reading.] - SNETNEWS Mailing List http://www.knowledge.co.uk/lobster/articles/l29consp.htm 'Conspiracy Theories' and Clandestine Politics by Jeffrey M. Bale From Lobster 29 Very few notions generate as much intellectual resistance, hostility, and derision within academic circles as a belief in the historical importance or efficacy of political conspiracies. Even when this belief is expressed in a very cautious manner, limited to specific and restricted contexts, supported by reliable evidence, and hedged about with all sort of qualifications, it still manages to transcend the boundaries of acceptable discourse and violate unspoken academic taboos. The idea that particular groups of people meet together secretly or in private to plan various courses of action, and that some of these plans actually exert a significant influence on particular historical developments, is typically rejected out of hand and assumed to be the figment of a paranoid imagination. The mere mention of the word 'conspiracy' seems to set off an internal alarm bell which causes scholars to close their minds in order to avoid cognitive dissonance and possible unpleasantness, since the popular image of conspiracy both fundamentally challenges the conception most educated, sophisticated people have about how the world operates and reminds them of the horrible persecutions that absurd and unfounded conspiracy theories have precipitated or sustained in the past. So strong is this prejudice among academics that even when clear evidence of a plot is inadvertently discovered in the course of their own research, they frequently feel compelled, either out of a sense of embarrassment or a desire to defuse anticipated criticism, to preface their - SNETNEWS Mailing List http://www.knowledge.co.uk/lobster/articles/l29consp.htm 'Conspiracy Theories' and Clandestine Politics by Jeffrey M. Bale From Lobster 29 Very few notions generate as much intellectual resistance, hostility, and derision within academic circles as a belief in the historical importance or efficacy of political conspiracies. Even when this belief is expressed in a very cautious manner, limited to specific and restricted contexts, supported by reliable evidence, and hedged about with all sort of qualifications, it still manages to transcend the boundaries of acceptable discourse and violate unspoken academic taboos. The idea that particular groups of people meet together secretly or in private to plan various courses of action, and that some of these plans actually exert a significant influence on particular historical developments, is typically rejected out of hand and assumed to be the figment of a paranoid imagination. The mere mention of the word 'conspiracy' seems to set off an internal alarm bell which causes scholars to close their minds in order to avoid cognitive dissonance and possible unpleasantness, since the popular image of conspiracy both fundamentally challenges the conception most educated, sophisticated people have about how the world operates and reminds them of the horrible persecutions that absurd and unfounded conspiracy theories have precipitated or sustained in the past. So strong is this prejudice among academics that even when clear evidence of a plot is inadvertently discovered in the course of their own research, they frequently feel compelled, either out of a sense of embarrassment or a desire to defuse anticipated criticism, to preface their account of it by ostentatiously disclaiming a belief in conspiracies. (1) They then often attempt to downplay the significance of the plotting they have uncovered. To do otherwise, that is, to make a serious effort to incorporate the documented activities of conspiratorial groups into their general political or historical analyses, would force them to stretch their mental horizons beyond customary bounds and, not infrequently, delve even further into certain sordid and politically sensitive topics. Most academic researchers clearly prefer to ignore the implications of conspiratorial politics altogether rather than deal directly with such controversial matters. A number of complex cultural and historical factors contribute to this reflexive and unwarranted reaction, but it is perhaps most often the
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: The Shanghai Buick debuts amid doubts
Who is going to buy a $40,000 car in China on those wages ? Why isn't the United Auto Workers union screaming about this ? Could this have anything to do with the secret tunnel which is being built between Alaska and the Russia which just happens to be connecting with China ? Mark http://www.freep.com/business/qchina17.htm [The freep][business] [Autos] [Image] [Search] The Shanghai Buick debuts amid doubts Analysts see little hope for profit soon December 17, 1998 BY MICHAEL ZIELENZIGER AND JENNIFER LIN Free Press Foreign Correspondents SHANGHAI, China -- Today, a white Buick Regal will roll off a new General Motors Corp. assembly line that just 22 months ago was a farm field. The $1.5-billion General Motors plant in Shanghai is the largest foreign investment ever made in China. It is a sprawling, 2.4-million-square-foot, state-of-the-art assembly line that employs an estimated 1,700 workers at about $1.40 an hour. When full production begins in April, about 40 percent of the Buicks manufactured in China will consist of locally produced parts, as part of a joint venture between GM and the Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp., a government-owned enterprise. The Buick will carry a price tag of about $40,000 in China -- about 100 times the annual wages of an average Chinese worker. But building cars isn't the same as selling them, and legions of skeptics believe it will be years before GM ever sees a significant profit from its investment. "It's a miserable time to be opening a car plant," said one former executive involved in GM's operation in Shanghai who requested anonymity. "The auto market in China is really hurting right now, and there is really no sign of improvement. GM has to be looking 10 years out to imagine they will make any money." The economic crisis that stormed across Southeast Asia this year has begun buffeting the Chinese economy, which remains under tight government control. Government ministries have cut spending, reduced new investments in joint venture projects, and delayed efforts to privatize failing government-owned industries. The government also has issued orders to curtail car purchases. But government-owned businesses and joint ventures, along with government agencies, are the main buyers of luxury cars. Experts say only one in 10 passenger cars in China is purchased by individuals. Philip Murtagh, general manager of GM's Shanghai factory, said he is confident that GM can meet its conservative sales plan after the factory finishes its test run and begins full production of cars next April. "We have nearly 5,000 firm orders for the vehicle right now," he said. "We think we're going to compete very favorably" with Mercedes-Benz and other luxury imported vehicles as a Chinese-made car. Outside analysts are not so sure. "The customer base GM is trying to serve is shrinking," said Len Shapiro, director of China operations for Automotive Resources Asia, a market analysis firm. "It was a great idea when GM started planning this factory in 1995, but in 1999 it's not going to work." Even before the Asian crisis started in mid-1997, international car makers were expressing doubts about the prospects for profits in China. Foreign manufacturers often are confronted with an ever-changing array of government regulations and find it difficult to distribute or service their vehicles. These functions usually are completely controlled by the Chinese partner.
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: MJ: No actually it goes more towards Politicians 'buying' votes and/or individuals utilizing the Government as the instrument of plunder. But then you were only commenting in an effort to remove all doubt. Regard$, --MJ back to that lil red herring of yours huh. hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- The Family Leave Act was an excellent idea. Also, the Clinton administration attempt to get a national health insurance program going. We're the only industrialized nation without a national health insurance program for its citizens.. Those businesses which do provide coverage for their employees have to pick up the tab for the businesses which don't...look at the fast food service industry...and the retail sector. But, of course, that idea was squelched by the usual special interests who control our political process.. But perhaps President Clinton's greatest contribution during the past eight years has been his willingness to insure that some of the more draconian social measures of the Republican party were not signed into law. His policies have been moderate, for the most part... certainly, not liberal by any stretch of the imagination. But perhaps his greatest contribution has been just being theregiving the lunatic fringe and Nazis on the Far Right someone to hate. On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 3:50:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ladies first Prudy Can't you even come up with one item? Oh, okay. I think the family leave act was a pretty good idea. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Year of the Rat
- SNETNEWS Mailing List 'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE 'PEACHMENT by Bruce Maccabee [EMAIL PROTECTED] (written between 10-11 PM, 12/16/98) 'Twas the Night before 'Peachment and All through Iraq the Bombers were Flying and Not Turning Back. The Congress was meeting, they couldn't go home, "We can't carry on, we have to postpone.." Billy was grateful Saddham had been bad, 'cause now all attention was right on Baghdad. A Missile of Mercy, he thought to himself, should put this impeachment right back on the shelf. As the Tomahawk roared through the warm city smog, it became clear, "The tail is wagging the dog." (Hil'y was nestled all snug in her bed while visions of separation danced in her head.) Then over Baghdad there 'rose such a clatter, That even King Rat wondered, "What is the matter?" He ran to his window and threw up the sash, knocked over an urn and spilled hidden cash. The sound of the bombers way over his head meant that he couldn't just go back to bed. Laying his finger aside of his nose he decided to call someone that he knows. He picked up the phone and dialed lively and quick. But it wasn't to call old jolly Saint Nick. I know where I'll find him, he said with a grin, The "Five Sided Fruitcake," that's what he's in. The Pentagon answered the phone with great shock, "We're bombing his city and he want's to talk?" "Put on Der Schlickmeister" he said with a sneer. "What I will say he does want to hear." "You've done it again," Saddham said with a groan. "The bombs now fall down and impeachment's postponed." "Let me stay leader of all of Iraq and I'll keep all the congressmen off of your back." Billy smiled and he winked as he put down the phone and told the Joint Chief's "You all can go home." This crisis is over for Bill and Saddham but if Congress decides to go on with its plan, there will be yet again a reason to fight, "Merry Missiles to All and to All a Good Night." - - - - - RAT by Bruce Maccabee Washington Post, Tuesday, Nov. 26,1998, page A10. (This story should have been closer to the front of the paper, along with the comments about impeachment.) "INDICTED DEMOCRATIC DONOR MAY HAVE KEFT U.S." reads the title of the article. An acceptable response might be "What, another?" This comes at a time when impeachment hearings are in the offing and one of the matters to be discussed is the China Connection which is well described in the new book THE YEAR OF THE RAT, by Timperlake and Triplett (Regnery, 1998). The appearance of this news story was particularly timely for me, since I had just finished reading the book which covers the history of the 1996 election funding scandals and following events up through the spring of 1998. The article (shortened) reads, "TAMPA, Nov. 25 - A business executive charged with making illegal contributions to the campaigns of President Clinton and other Democrats apparently has fled the country, the Justice department said. Mark Jimenez is considered a fugitive..not much hope that he is coming back... Jimenez, 52, a Philippine national, was indicted in September on 17 counts alleging he made nearly $40,000 in illegal contributions to Democratic campaigns in 1994 and 1996. In 1996 he was Florida's largest donor to the National Democratic Party. The Miami executive and others in his company ...(used a method known as)...conduit contributions or money laundering .. (to) evade contribution limits. Jimenez came to the United States in the early 1980's. He built Future Tech, a distributer of computer components and peripherals in Miami, from a small company to one that does more than $250 million a year in business." How does this fit in with the "Year of the rat?" Like a glove. According to the Chinese calendar, 1996 was "the year of the rat." It was during this year (and the preceding 2 years) that roughly 2.8 million bucks were received by the Democratic National Committee which has had to be returned. Why? Page 98 of YEAR OF THE RAT will give you an idea. Ng (pronounced "ong" as in "pong") Lapseng has connections to criminals in Macau, according to the authors. Although Ng has not been mentioned much in the press, two others mentioned below, Charlie Trie and John Huang, have "made press." Trie, financially backed by Ng and well acquainted with Clinton, is characterized in the book (Chapter 9) as a "Chinese gangster, Little Rock chef, DNC fund-raiser and current criminal defendant." He is claimed to be a member of a Chinese "Triad" gang. John Huang, a friend of the Riady's/Lippo group in Indonesia, was a "good buddy" of the president (Friend of Bill) who actually got a job at the Commerce Dept and was given a Top Secret clearance and several briefings by the CIA on Asian policy. Apparently he kept the Riady's informed of what he was learning.. and thereby, the Chinese government. (There is a picture in the book of Pres. Bill with his arm around Huang.) Note: one gets from this book the
[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Know Your Customer -- the system behind it all
My "Banking with Big Brother" article: http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/16749.html This is the existing system that will keep track of "suspicious activities" under the Know Your Customer proposed regulation. I described it in my article. This Department of Justice published this description today. -Declan System name: Suspicious Activity Reporting System (the ``SAR System''). System location: The SAR System is housed at the Internal Revenue Service Computing Center (``DCC'') in Detroit, Michigan and is managed by the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (``FinCEN''), 2070 Chain Bridge Road, Suite 200, Vienna, VA 22182, with the assistance of the staff of DCC. Categories of individuals covered by the system: The SAR System contains information about: (1) Individuals or entities that are known perpetrators or suspected perpetrators of a known or suspected federal criminal violation, or pattern of criminal violations, committed or attempted against a financial institution, or participants in a transaction or [[Page 69745]] transactions conducted through the financial institution, that has been reported by the financial institution, either voluntarily or because such a report is required under the rules of FinCEN, one or more of the Federal Supervisory Agencies (the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (``the Board''), the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (``OCC''), the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (``FDIC''), the Office of Thrift Supervision (``OTS''), and the National Credit Union Administration (``NCUA'') (collectively, the ``Federal Supervisory Agencies'')), or both. (2) Individuals or entities that are participants in transactions, conducted or attempted by, at or through a financial institution, that have been reported because the institution knows, suspects, or has reason to suspect that: (a) The transaction involves funds derived from illegal activities, the transaction is intended or conducted to hide or disguise funds or assets derived from illegal activities as part of a plan to violate or evade any law or regulation or to avoid any transaction reporting requirement under Federal law; (b) the transaction is designed to evade any regulations promulgated under the Bank Secrecy Act, Pub. L. 91-508, as amended, codified at 12 U.S.C. 1829b, 12 U.S.C. 1951-1959, and 31 U.S.C. 5311-5330; or (c) the transaction has no business or apparent lawful purpose or is not the sort in which the particular customer would normally be expected to engage, and the financial institution knows of no reasonable explanation for the transaction after examining the available facts, including the background and possible purpose of the transaction; (3) Individuals who are directors, officers, employees, agents, or otherwise affiliated with a financial institution; (4) Individuals or entities that are actual or potential victims of a criminal violation or series of violations; (5) Individuals who are named as possible witnesses in connection with matters arising from any such report; (6) Individuals or entities named as preparers of any such report; (7) Individuals or entities named as persons to be contacted for assistance by government agencies in connection with any such report; (8) Individuals or entities who have or might have information about individuals or criminal violations described above; and (9) Individuals or entities involved in evaluating or investigating any matters arising from any such report. Categories of records in the system: The SAR System contains information reported to FinCEN by financial institutions on a Suspicious Activity Report (``SAR'') required under the authority of FinCEN or one or more of the Federal Supervisory Agencies, or both. SARs contain information about the categories of persons or entities specified in ``Categories of Individuals Covered by the System.'' The SAR System may also contain records pertaining to criminal prosecutions, civil actions, enforcement proceedings, and investigations resulting from or relating to SARs. Additionally, it will contain records pertaining to criminal prosecutions, civil actions, enforcement proceedings, and investigations relating to institutions required to file reports or under the supervision of one or more of the Federal Supervisory agencies. Authority for maintenance of the system: The system is established and maintained in accordance with 31 U.S.C. 5318(g); 31 CFR part 103; 31 U.S.C. 321; and Department of the Treasury Order 105-08. Purpose(s): The requirements of FinCEN and the Federal Supervisory Agencies create an integrated process for reporting suspicious activity and known or suspected crimes by, at, or through depository institutions and certain of their affiliates. The process is based on a single uniform SAR filed with FinCEN. The SAR System has been created, as a key part of this integrated reporting process, to permit coordinated and enhanced
[CTRL] Fwd: Oops! US Bombs Iran by Accident...
Iran: Stray Missile Hits Iran City TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- A missile from the U.S.-British attack on Iraq fell Thursday on the Iranian border city of Khorramshahr, Tehran radio reported. The state-run radio gave no details. But a resident reached in the city by telephone said the windows of several buildings were shattered. The resident said on condition of anonymity he did not know if anyone had been injured or killed. Khorramshahr is about 25 miles east of Basra in Iraq, a large port city with major oil facilities. The United States and Britain launched joint airstrikes against Iraq early Thursday morning following a report by chief U.N. weapons inspector Richard Butler that Iraq had failed to live up to its promise to cooperate fully with the inspectors. At least two people were killed and 30 were injured in Iraq, a doctor said. An Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman warned Thursday that airstrikes against Iraq would bring ``pain and misery'' to Iraq's people and urged Baghdad to keep its promise to the United Nations. Relations between Iran and Iraq are still tense after their 1980-88 war, which killed or injured an estimated 1 million people. But Iran has always been against military strikes against Iraq.
[CTRL] Fwd: Nazi A-Bomb
Nazi Atom Bomb Files To Be Opened MUNICH, Germany (AP) -- Once top secret, files on Nazi Germany's unsuccessful race to build an atomic bomb are being opened to the general public for the first time. Among the materials received Thursday by Munich's German Museum are research notes by famous German physicists who took part in the program, such as Werner Heisenberg and Otto Hahn, as well as notebooks, photos and correspondence between scientists and Nazi authorities. The documents suggest that German research into the atomic bomb was ``nearly parallel'' with efforts in the United States, but that the Third Reich lacked materials to build one because of wartime destruction, said the museum's archivist, Wilhelm Fuessl. A November 1945 report by two U.S. investigators, six months after the Nazi defeat in World War II, says ``only the lack of plutonium'' kept Adolf Hitler from building an atomic bomb, Fuessl said. U.S. forces seized the files at the war's end. They were returned to a research center in Karlsruhe, Germany, in the 1970s, but access there was largely restricted to academics, Fuessl said. No exhibit is planned for now at the Munich museum, but Fuessl said the files will be open to the public.
Re: [CTRL] Hate Speech and Canada
-Caveat Lector- from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id KDYBa20431 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:34:57 -0500 (EST) Gerald Harp wrote: Actually, i have merely responded to other's posts that insinuate that the Jews brought it all on themselves. Still, fry dr. quack quack if you must but what, choke, would you have done to us? Convert you to education? The facts. A fate worse than death I know, but your a big boy aren't you? Come on now you know your never too old to learn. Laura aka The Pied Piper -- my ICQ# 14484977 Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Legislation and what we are allowing by Letting our children be labeled as only ADD or ADHD http://www.cec.sped.org/faq/gt-ld.htm (New 16 Oct 98) 3) Uncover Myths in Education Myth 1 That Home Schoolers Need to be under the Umbrella of a Church or Religious Group. http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html ** 1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International 5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. (anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com/possible.html Get links to over 30 sites VISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs Cases VISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- See Fr. Fahey for analysis of the word "anti-Semitism" Christian countries defending themselves against the anti-Christ, Talmudic mentality of the historical dominant leaders of Jewry -- is NOT anti-Semitism. Unjust persecution of individual Jews can be called that (although the word is still too wide and loose because most Arabs are Semites, and most Arabs are against Israel). Of course, the dominant faction of Jewish leaders have always called anyone or anything that challenges any part of their agenda "anti-Semitic." I repeat what I said before on this list: the word anti-Semite lost its sting when the whole media tried to pin it on Buchanan after his victory in New Hampshire in 1996. At that point several tens of millions of Americans thought to themselves, "They're talking about me if they're talking about Buchanan -- and I'm not anti-Semitic. So now David Duke or Hitler himself could come out on the nation's stage, and Ted Koppel and Geraldo could call them anti-Semitic all they wanted and it wouldn't do any good. Sad, but true -- but that's what happens when on group of dishonent info-thugs perverts a word for their own dishonest, propaganda motives. Incidentally, today's unbelievable, brazen, crass act of war against Iraq by Clinton and the claque of Jews around him (Cohen, Berger, Albright, Emanuel, and on and on and on) goes will go along way within six months to have many more Americans using the term ZOG (zionist occupational governement) and JOB (Jewish Occupational Government). This attack has nothing to do with American interests, as more and more Americans are waking up to that simple reality. Jim Condit Jr. On Wednesday, December 16, 1998 11:22 AM, Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 10:55:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Holocaust" literature also suggests that Christianity is inherently "anti-Semitic" and that the Catholic Church collaborated in the "Holocaust". Both of these statements are true and easily verifiable. Christianity has a long history of anti-Semitism. I believe that Christianity has now essentially shucked that evil, the exception in the US being the racism of the identity movement (there are, of course, parallel groups in Europe). The southern Klansmen and white Aryan groups have heavily infiltrated the militia groups. The militia groups was already imbedded with the identity movement. The southern racists found it was easy to add another brand of hate to these deeply suspicious men who had already been forced off farms and out of heavy industry as the economy began to seriously go global in the 1980s. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) who had been tracking the movements of the most prominent racists were the first to detect this movement of leaders from the Klan and white citizen counsels to the militias. They have now set up a militia tracking unit. They report on both the traditional Klan type activity and the racist activity among the militia in their Intelligence Report, a quarterly. Of course racism is having a bit of a resurgence in Europe due to East European "wetbacks" swarming into West Europe. The Westerners resent the job competition much as the folks in California resented the "Okies" et al during the 1930s The Catholic Church did not collaborate in the Holocaust. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need
[CTRL] Bob Dole
-Caveat Lector- Did he tell her that she could not get pregnant if he did not come in her too. Next story is going to be about immaculate conception - White House Style. Has anyone thought about the fact that they are termed "sexual organs" it seems as if when they are used for any thing more than liquid elimination, that any playing they are used for is inherently sexual. Laura -- my ICQ# 14484977 Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Legislation and what we are allowing by Letting our children be labeled as only ADD or ADHD http://www.cec.sped.org/faq/gt-ld.htm (New 16 Oct 98) 3) Uncover Myths in Education Myth 1 That Home Schoolers Need to be under the Umbrella of a Church or Religious Group. http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html ** 1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International 5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. (anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com/possible.html Get links to over 30 sites VISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs Cases VISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- SnoOwl strikes me as a real sincere conspiracy investigator . . . just like Dan Rather or Ted Koppel is. Alan Dershowitz revealed on Geraldo the other night that the reason the left must save Clinton is to thwart the pro-lifers, the Christian fundamentalists, etc. -- whom he called the forces of evil! -- so that they do not takeover the country. SnoOwl is obviously a Dershowitz soul-mate, as are several others on this list. They, like Dershowitz, do not seem to be sincere debaters, but only bent on calling "white" "black" and "black" "white" the impeachment of Clinton will tarnish EVERYTHING the man has done --- that's why the left i frantic, that's why it was worth dropping their mask to bomb Iraq now --- how many Americans will catch on? Every citizen who is an AMERICAN citizen first, as opposed to an Israeli citizen first, should begin to wonder why all those who want to save the degenerate Clinton also support the wanton, war-mongering attack on Iraq. This is the first time we have seen a major prolonged attack on a sovereign nation who was not already attacking somebody else. We have lost control of our country, and you don't have to look into shadowy, mysterious organizations to see who now runs it. It's on your TV every hour, 24 hours a day when an event like this is on --- those working with AIPAC, the evil B'nai B'rith, and the Isreali lobby. It's now out in the open for everyone to see. It is necessary that we have a Christian, dignified, but vigorous attitude as we move to take back our country like the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, and not fall for unjust reactions to unjust aggression such as was overseen by the evil Adolph Hitler -- who really has turned out to be the best propaganda weapon that anti-Christ Jewry ever had. Jim Condit Jr. On Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:44 PM, M. A. Johnson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- MJ: Reading through this tripe, the consideration of a 'mirror' view regarding the Democratic desire to SAVE an accused perjurer who has abused his power and his office 'turned' on every word. Sno0wl wrote: This "accused perjurer" was accused of saying that he was never alone with a woman when, in fact, he was alone with her. Being alone with the woman was not, in itself, a crime. MJ: Correct, but LYING about this under oath in an effort to thwart culpability in a civil suit most certainly is ... as well as being in conflict with a President's oath of office. Sno0wl wrote: This "accused perjurer" is accused of saying that he never had "sexual relations" with a certain woman, when in fact he did have sexual relations of a sort. Having sexual relations with the woman was not a crime. MJ: Did you investigate the many laws regarding sodomy within the nation's capitol? LYING about this under oath in an effort to thwart culpability in a civil suit most certainly is ... as well as being in conflict with a President's oath of office. Sno0wl wrote: He is accused of perjury in relation to matters which do not, in any way, relate to criminal acts. MJ: The perjury itself is a criminal act. No mention of the abuses of office and power utilized to the goal of thwarting culpability in that civil manner? Afterall, Mr. Nixon was pursued for 'covering up' a crime he did not commit as compared to Clinton's desire to do the same for his OWN crimes. Sno0wl wrote: Many of the most educated people in our nation, including distinguished legal scholars and prosecutors who participated in the Iran-Contra hearings, cannot believe that Clinton is being impeached over these issues. Ken Starr's own ethical advisor has quit over these issues. However, all we hear on the news is what the ruthless, relentless, vengeful Republican members of the Judiciary Committee think, do, and say. MJ: Certainly one is learned enough to 'wade' through the BS and locate primary sourcing ... establishing an opinion for ones self of the FACTS. Hamilton, Federalist Number 65: A well-constituted court for the trial of impeachments is an object not more to be desired than difficult to be obtained in a government wholly elective. The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself. The prosecution of them, for this reason, will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly or inimical to the accused. In many cases it will connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and will enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other;
[CTRL] Soviets Backed Open Source Software in the '80s?
-Caveat Lector-
This is probably completely fake, but could it be??
Tuesday December 15 1:49 AM ET
Open Source Software: Echoes from the Cold War
ST PETERSBURG Dec 15 (Reuters) - Following the public release of
the latest batch of Soviet documents in November this year, Alexei
Chelenko, curator of the Soviet Archives at Moscow University,
discovered a paper trail which shows that the KGB, the now defunct
Soviet secret police, made anonymous donations to Free Software
Foundation sponsored Open Source Software development projects.
Open Source is a scheme in which computer software development is
carried out by thousands of volunteers on the Internet. Its
products are freely available and include operating systems, Web
servers, and scripting languages. Organizations such as the Free
Software Foundation accept donations from third parties for the
purpose of developing Open Source software.
The documents allegedly show that during the 1980s various Open
Source projects, including some developed by the Free Software
Foundation, unknowingly received money from the Soviet government
totaling more than $175,000.
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http://www.pigdog.org/soviets.html
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Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 7:14:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, we see now that there is no difference between d's and r's. Bush had a War for his interests in oil, and Clinton is having a War to draw attention away from the impeachment. Why didn't you want to impeach George Bush? Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] We are at war: Ramadan
-Caveat Lector- I think a lot of it had to do with trying to attack and get it over with to avoid the Islamic Holy month of Ramadan which begins Sunday. We would have no allies in the Middle East (except Israel) if we attacked during Ramadan, and I don't think that we want to piss off Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the rest that much. -Original Message- From: Rock4life [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 7:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] We are at war -Caveat Lector- Yep, just in time to delay the vote on impeachment. But of course they say that was not intended for that purpose, but look at all the other so called stories they have come up with...he'll try to stay in office at all costs no matter what has to be done...Rock Hilary Thomas wrote: -Caveat Lector- For those of you who aren't listening to the news, we are at war again. Bombing of Iraq began about 2 hours ago. I've been watching for the past 2 hours. Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Iraq: Attack of the Hormones?
-Caveat Lector- What calamity (if any) was about to befall Geo Bush (Sr) when it was originally decided to act against Iraq back in '90? It seems as though when 'genderhood' is threatened, Hussein appears to be the one they try to geld. I refer to this in view of the Sudan/Afghanistan strikes (following Grand Jury testimony) and now this. The impetus for my comment stems in part from an O'Reilly (Fox News) piece with Al Haig, during which Haig referred to striking Iraq as being a way to prove 'manhood' ... is Willie Clinton the only one to whom Haig may have referred? From wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : Middle East : Iraq Clinton's attack on Iraq Military aggression and political diversion By the Editorial Board 17 December 1998 The launching of US air and missile attacks on Iraq is a measure both of the desperation of the Clinton administration and of the criminal recklessness and bellicosity of American imperialism. Thousands of Iraqi lives are to be sacrificed, for the short-term goal of preserving Clinton's presidency, and for the long-term goal of maintaining US dominance in the oil-rich Middle East. The timing of the attack, on the eve of the impeachment debate and vote in the House of Representatives, is clearly bound up with the political crisis of the Clinton White House. As he has throughout this political crisis, at every point when his presidency has been threatened, Clinton has sought to appease his right-wing opponents with the threat or use of military force. In February, after the eruption of the Lewinsky affair, amid a media barrage aimed at forcing his resignation, Clinton seized on a conflict with Iraq over the activity of United Nations weapons inspectors to go to the brink of military action. In August, only three days after his testimony before the grand jury convened by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, Clinton launched cruise missile strikes on Sudan and Afghanistan. After going to the brink with Iraq again on November 15, Clinton was widely denounced by congressional Republicans when he called off planned air strikes, with B-52s already in the air headed for Baghdad. Republican senators openly called for the US government to set as its goal the overthrow and murder of Saddam Hussein. Only a few days ago, House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, who is spearheading the impeachment drive, baited the White House over its failure to oust the Iraqi leader. If the timing of the attack is based on political expediency, however, the military action flows directly and inexorably from American policy in the region. For nearly eight years, since the end of the Persian Gulf war, the United States has maintained a death grip over this largely devastated and militarily defenseless country. The sanctions regime imposed through the United Nations has killed an estimated half a million children, depriving them of food, medicine and other basic necessities. The official pretext for the economic embargo, the claim that a country largely without electric power and running water was nonetheless stockpiling nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, is an utter fraud. No evidence that Iraq currently possesses weapons of mass destruction has ever been presented by the US or the US-controlled UNSCOM inspectors. Instead, Iraq has been required to do the impossible--prove the nonexistence of such weapons in a territory the size of Texas with a population of 20 million people. There have even been demands that Iraq rid itself of the "capability" of producing such weapons, which would mean, given the flexibility of modern technology, that Iraq must revert to pre-industrial conditions. It is a measure of the cynicism of the American political establishment and the corporate-controlled media that Clinton's lies about a trivial matter, his affair with Monica Lewinsky, have been declared an impeachable offense, while his repetition of gross, obvious and, in the full sense of the word, criminal lies about Iraq is accepted and endorsed. Indeed, if any of Clinton's Republican opponents were the occupant of the White House, the lies would be just as brazen and the military aggression just as flagrant. In the propaganda of 1998, "weapons of mass destruction" occupies the same place that the "domino theory" and the Gulf of Tonkin resolution occupied during the Vietnam War. And the former antiwar protester of the 1960s seeks to save himself through the slaughter of innocent Iraqi people. The latest confrontation with Iraq was deliberately instigated by UNSCOM, which functions quite openly as an instrument of the US government, regularly reporting on its spying activities to the American CIA. Its most provocative action, taken last week, was an attempt to invade the Baghdad headquarters of the ruling Ba'ath Party. Under conditions where the CIA is seeking to organize both the overthrow of the Ba'athist regime in Iraq and the assassination of Saddam Hussein, UNSCOM officials knew that Iraqi authorities would
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Sno0wl wrote: He is accused of perjury in relation to matters which do not, in any way, relate to criminal acts. Bull! He was sworn to give truthful testimony in a sexual harassment case...sexual harassment IS a crime... June ! _ _ _ _ _ _` __ _ _ _ |_ . _ _ _ | -~*~- _/_)(/_(_|/_)(_)| )/_) (_|| (/_(/_ | || )(_|/_) o /!\_| _| /%;@\ o/@,%\o /%;`@,\ o/@'%',\o '^^^M^^^` www.xs4all.nl/~klr *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ru Mills' Dream
-Caveat Lector- In light of a report that Sherman Skolnick is saying an attempt to arrest Bill Clinton had occurred yesterday afternoon, a message I received from "Ru Mills" regarding a dream she'd had Tuesday night (12/15; night before reported arrest attempt) is interesting: I dreamed last night that a number of General and Admirals and special operations type commandos, marched into the Oval office. They demanded tht Al Gore and the chief Justice join them. Then with a gun to clinto's head, they said, "either kill yourself now, or sign this resignation." He signed the resignation and Al gore was sworn in immediately. Clinton moved out the back door and Al Gore read a prepared speech from Clinton at a press conference. That was all well and good, but the reason this was done was that war had broken out and the joint chiefs of staff would not go to war wiwth Clinton as Commander in Chief, Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Failed Arrest Attempt On Clinton?
-Caveat Lector- From CNNS source "Rhea Fortean" (pseudonym) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:47:08 -0500 (EST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Clinton bombed Iraq!! Brian, Tried to call you. Did get Sherm. [Skolnick] He says that there was a failed arrest attempt this afternoon. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pinochet: 12-17
-Caveat Lector- From Irish Times NEWS UPDATEThursday, December 17, 1998Picture British Lords allow Pinochet Petition 11.45 a.m.: General Augusto Pinochet was this morning given new hope that he could escape extradition from Britain to Spain when the British House of Lords allowed a petition to set aside an earlier Law Lords' ruling denying him immunity from arrest and extradition. In an unprecedented move, a panel of five senior past and present Law Lords decided unanimously to accept an application to rescind the Lords' November 25 decision on immunity, over concerns about possible bias. The panel spent two days listening to arguments that links between Lord Hoffmann, one of the Law Lords who made the original decision, and the human rights group Amnesty International gave rise to "a real danger of bias." Lord Hoffmann, a longtime director and chairman of Amnesty's charity arm Amnesty International Charity Ltd whose wife also works for Amnesty, cast the deciding vote in the original Lords ruling, which was passed by a 3-2 majority. The decision by fellow Law Lords to set aside that judgement will come as a severe embarrassment to Lord Hoffmann, a South African-born liberal, particularly if in the full ruling there is significant criticism of his apparent failure to appreciate the need to disclose his Amnesty links ahead of the original, costly six-day hearing. That historic judgment cleared the way for Mr Straw's decision to authorise the lengthy extradition process, as Spanish authorities seek to get Pinochet sent to Madrid to face a long list of alleged human rights crimes relating to his 1973-90 rule. By finding in the 83-year-old general's favour, the Lords opened the way for a complete rehearing of the whole immunity issue, possibly sometime next month. That could take even longer than the original six-day hearing as, in addition to Amnesty, the Chilean government could also seek to make representations, as might the governments of European countries other than Spain which have expressed an interest in extraditing Pinochet. The Lords' landmark ruling left human rights campaigners disappointed while General Augusto's Pinochet's supporters were celebrating. Carlos Reyes, spokesman for Chile Democratico and Chileans in Exile, said he feared the decision would lead eventually to the collapse of the case against the former dictator. Mr Reyes said: "I am in total shock at this decision. It appears that the Law Lords have ruled that anyone who is concerned with human rights could be biased in this case. Many of the lawyers who are working for Pinochet are concerned with human rights. It is completely wrong. "It seems to me that this could be a way out for Pinochet. From the very beginning I believed justice would be done and would be seen to be done. Now I am not so sure." Amnesty International chairman Andy McEntee said: "We are disappointed in terms of the time and effort expended and in terms of having to come back and do it all over again. (PA) Picture Ireland's leading rental co. Est 1959 Picture If it's on the Irish Domain, find it with IEsearch Picture Brendan Behan (1923-1964) Front | Ireland | Finance | World | Sport | Opinion | Features | Letters Crosaire | Simplex | Dublin Live | Back Issues | Contacts | Feedback | History © Copyright: The Irish Times AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] GB: Immigration
-Caveat Lector- This is a trend throughout Europe and elsewhere. I believe Germany also recently curtailed immigration; France has done so in the past decade; Spain is building some sort of anti-immigrant barrier in N Africa or just across the straits in Spain; the U.S. has been reported to have more armed INS-ers than FBI-ers to guard its borders, first with Mexico then Canada (the latter having been a witless victim of a law designed to bolster travelers from the former). from wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : Britain Britain Immigration and Asylum Bill turns refugees into pariahs By Tony Hyland 17 December 1998 The Labour government's Immigration and Asylum Bill sets out a raft of measures due to become law in the New Year. The policies it contains further restrict the right to asylum. "Fairer, firmer and faster", was Home Secretary Jack Straw's sound bite when the measures were outlined. The first is a reference to the decision to grant "leave to remain" to some 30,000 refugees whose claims are pending from before 1995. This is a largely administrative device to reduce the backlog of 84,000 cases. It will be applied to cases where no initial decision was taken on asylum applications. By taking into account family ties rather than the asylum issue alone, the government claims to be acting compassionately. However, this gesture was made whilst announcing proposals that will ride roughshod over such considerations in the future and strengthen laws which already deny asylum to the majority of applicants. The measures are drawn from a White Paper published in July. Most likely to become legislation are those proposals withdrawing legal rights and welfare payments to asylum seekers. At their centre are moves to strip away present legal recourse refugees have to appeal against an "initial refusal" by immigration officers. The ability to seek a Judicial Review is to be eliminated, as is the right to appeal against a deportation order made following an earlier lost appeal. Applicants will only have the ability to appeal to the same authority that turned down their initial asylum request. Its decision will be final in all but name, as the time period for making an appeal will be reduced from 28 to 5 days--effectively preventing fresh evidence being gathered in time to support their case. The White Paper proposes an increase in the number of places where asylum seekers can be detained prior to their "removal", i.e., deportation. It calls for detention to be the norm "where removal is imminent". More refugees will be effectively imprisoned, under conditions where Britain has already been singled out for criticism due to the numbers it incarcerates. Labour's plans go further than the legislation introduced three years ago by the Conservative government that curtailed benefit and housing provisions for asylum seekers. In 1996 the Tories withdrew these provisions from those who applied "in-country", as opposed to those who applied "at port". Many asylum seekers apply for residence "in country" in order to avoid immediate incarceration at the port of entry and transfer to prison or one of Britain's notorious Detention Centres. Labour will extend this legislation to cover all refugees. In place of cash benefits, a voucher system will be introduced to cover basic items such as food and clothing. Under the "designated" housing system, asylum seekers will be dispersed around the country. Rather than being housed in permanent accommodation, refugees will be forced to lead a transitory existence in bed and breakfast lodgings, without any disposable income. This measure is also aimed at preventing the type of broad-based campaigns mounted in the past to protest against the repatriation of immigrants who established close ties in their workplace or local community. With this type of segregation, refugees will be reduced to the status of pariahs. Immigration officers are to be given powers normally reserved for the police, including fingerprinting and the right to enter property on the pretext of suspected "immigration offences". Aspects of the White Paper that could also become law will have wider ramifications for ethnic minorities with a long history of settlement in the UK. Labour was previously committed to repealing part of the 1996 Act that threatens companies with fines for employing illegal immigrants. However, the White Paper recommends that checks on status at work by immigration officers be retained. This place ethnic minorities under a constant state of siege and stands on its head the legal axiom of "innocent until proven guilty". Settled immigrants will also be affected by the plan to reintroduce a financial bond before a visitor's visa will be processed. The family of any visitor will be obliged to tender what could be a prohibitive sum of money, which will only be reimbursed once the visitor has left the country. The right to appeal against the refusal of a visitor's visa is to
Re: [CTRL] NEW SUBJECT: Millenium Bug
-Caveat Lector- Hi, i'm new to this list but i was wondering if anyone had discussed the high probability of the Millenium Bug being a government (New World Order?) conspiracy. It seems highly unlikely that no one was aware of the fact that 90% of computers did not recognise the year 2000. It also seems unlikely that it has only been mentioned in the last 2 years. Let's face it, the world could potentially fall into mass chaos. As we all know, this kind of situation can be advantageous to a lot of people in power Richard B. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- Congress, not citizens are allowed to impeach a President. Bush got away with it. Clinton should not, and we need to ensure that Bush's sons do not get in office, although I think Jr. is already destined for that post. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- Prudy, and other Clinton supporters on this list Can you name at least ten things that Clinton did that are/were good for the country. I can state at least twenty treasonous acts by him. Will any of you take the challenge, or will you just keep on spouting your anti-Republican propaganda with no support what-so-ever for the Criminal-In-Chief??? Regards, Bob Stokes Educate me on the wonderful things Clinton has done for this country other than being a Democratic President... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder Gentler Lynch Mob
-dead radical stereotypes about them really do apply. They will be revealed asmean-spirited, partisan hacks, hypocrites, moral absolutists hiding theircraven desire for vengeance and power beneath a ridiculously transparentfaade of pious deliberation and respect for law. -- Gary Kamiya, Salon Mag. The Clinton Defenders insist on speaking silly nonsense. Although I have no political sympathy for the equally corrupt RepubliCrats, lets deal with reality here. I am repeating a post to another newsgroup. 1.- Clinton should never be asked about this issue because it had nothingto do with the case judged (it was the Paula Jones case). The questionshould had been rejected by the judge for being irrelevant.Sorry, this is just plain wrong.Our great Feminist Leader, Bill Clinton personally lobbied Congress to expand permissable discovery in regards to sexual harrassment cases. He aggressively pushed this change in federal discovery law (violence against women's act, 1996).As an attorney, I agree that wide ranging depostion discovery in regards to one's sexual conduct could be improper and intrusive, but it is only poetic justice that Clinton gets hoisted by his own petard. If it was Mr. Average Citizen facing this intrusive questioning, do you think Clinton would be championing YOUR right to privacy?It is interesting to note that not one of Clinton Defenders has demanded that the Clinton sponsered expansion of deposition discovery permitting unlimited questioning in regards to a defendant's sex life be eliminated. If you want to see a Clinton Defender sweat, ask him/her if he/she would be infavor of restricting such wide ranging questioning in sexual harrassment cases.I just love it when these pandering politicians who knowingly pass unconstitutional intrusive laws get caught in their own evil legal spider web.2.- Clinton should have had the right to not answering the question and heshouldn't be prosecuted for not having told the truth because it violateshis right to not pleading guilty. More nonsense. Of course Clinton could have refused to testify before Ken Starr's Grand Jury. He could have taken the Fifth and refused to tesify, like any other citizen. Instead he made a political decision that he would commit premediated serial perjury and get away with it. Why he decided to commit blatant federal felonious perjury is incomphrehensible.3.- Clinton had the right to protect not only his privacy but also the oneof Monica Lewisnky. Sure he did, but once he stupidly permitted himself to be sued for sexual harrassment and his lawyer stupidly permitted him to undergo wide ranging depostion discovery (see point 1 above), he lost that right to privacy. As an attorney I am still flabbergasted that Clinton did not simply take a default on the Paula Jones case. Once the Supreme Court ruled that the litigation could go forward while he was Pres. all he had to say was that it was too intrusive and demeaning on the Presidency to have to spend time defending the case and he would accept a default as to liabilitiy. When that happened the Court would then have merely ruled on the amount of damages, which under the facts of the case would have probably been less the $100,000.Once again, Arrogance trumps Common Sense.FLW
[CTRL] Desert Fox
-Caveat Lector- Well, I watched CNN for hours last night - very reminiscent of Desert Storm except there were two things missing: 1) The skinny little CNN reporter with a mustache who wore Jungle Jim outfits and dodged scud missiles and; 2) The War "Theme" Song. Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Effects of Microwaves on Humans
Hello all, Have fun with this Hilary Effects of Microwaves on Humans Subject Report The following report was written some years ago. I am working with a copy that is difficult to read so please note that there may be some typographica l errors for I am unable to clearly see all the printed material. There is one section missing from the report and as I am unable to locate the author I can not include the omitted section. = Hilary FORENSIC RESEARCH DOCUMENT TO61-7R10/10-77F05 RELEASE PRIORITY: CLASS I ROO1a RESEARCH HISTORY: The microwave radiomissor cooking ovens were originally researched and developed by the Nazis for use by the mobile support operations for the invasion of the Soviet Union. By being able to utilize electronic equipment for preparation of meals on a mass-scale, the logistical problem of cooking fuels would have been eliminated, as well as the convenience of producing edible products in a greatly reduced time-factor. After the close of World War II, the Allies discovered the medical research and documentation concerning these apparatuses. These documents and the experimental microwave equipment was transferred to the U. S. War Department, and classified for reference and scientific investigation. The Soviet Union also retrieved some of the devices, and proceeded to undertake experimentation on a separate basis. The Russians have been the most diligent in their research on the biological effects of microwave ovens, and have outlawed their use, and have also issued an international warning concerning the possible biological and environmental damage that can be caused by the use of this and similar-frequency electronic apparatus. FORENSIC RESEARCH ACTIVITIES SUMMARY The following are the most significant German and Russian research operations facilities concerning the biological effects of microwaves: the initial research conducted by the Germans during the Barbarossa military campaign, at the Humbolot-Uviversitat zu Berlin (1942-1943): then, beginning in 1957 and up to the present, the Russian research operations are being conducted at the Institute of Radio Technology at Kinsk, Byelorussian Autonomous Region; also at the Institute of Radio Technology at Rajasthan in the Rossiskaja Autonomous Region, both in the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics. In most cases, the foods used for research analysis were exposed to microwave propagation at an energy-potential of 100 kilowatts/cm3/second, to the point considered acceptable for sanitary, normal ingestion. The effects noted by the German and Russian researchers will be presented in three categories: Category I, Cancer-Causing Effects; Category II, Nutritive Destruction of Foods; and Category III, Biological Effects of Exposure. [The first two points of Category I are missing. The remainder of the report is intact] 3. Creation of a binding effect to radioactivity in the atmosphere, thus causing a marked increase in the amount of alpha-and-beta-particle saturation in foods; 4. Creation of cancer-causing agents within protein-hydrolysate compounds in milk and cereal grains; 5. Alteration of elemental food-substances, causing disorders in the digestive system by unstable catabolism (breakdown) of foods subjected to microwaves; 6. Due to chemical alternations within food-substances, malfunctions were observed within the lymphatic systems, causing a degeneration of the immune- potentials of the body to protect against certain forms of neoplastics (cancerous growths); 7. Ingestion of microwaved foods caused a higher percentage of cancerous cells within the blood serum (cytomas); 8. Microwave emissions caused alteration in the catabolic (breakdown) behavior of glucoside-and galactoside-elements within frozen fruits when thawed in this manner; 9. Microwave emission caused alteration of the catabolic (breakdown) behavior of plant-alkaloids (elemental substances) when raw, cooked, or frozen vegetables were exposed for even extremely short durations; 10. Cancer-causing free-radicals were formed within certain trace-mineral molecular formations in plant substances, and in particular, raw root-vegetables; and 11. In a statistically high percentage of persons, microwaved foods caused stomach and intestinal cancerous growths, as well as a general degeneration of peripheral cellular tissues, with a gradual breakdown of the function of the digestive and excretive systems. CATEGORY II: DECREASE IN FOOD VALUE: Microwave exposure caused significant decreases in the nutritive value of all foods researched. The following are the most important findings: 1. A decrease in the bioavailability (capability of the body to utilize the nutriment) of B-complex vitamins, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, essential minerals and lipotropics in all foods; 2. A loss of 60-90% of the vital-energy field content of all tested foods; 3. A reduction in the
[CTRL] Bill, Saddam Big Oil And Impeachment
-Caveat Lector- The Bill and Saddam Show On the eve of impeachment, and holy seasons in the east and west, the curtain once again rises on the Bill and Saddam Show, starring the usual cast of characters and with the same bloody and predictable ending. They both retain power, and their people continue to suffer under their lies and duplicity. Call it statecraft or a devil's ploy, but don't call it "national defense." It's the oldest trick in the political book. Distract the public from a political crisis at home with a phony one abroad. Even after "Wag the Dog," the popular movie ridiculing the White House penchant for drumming up foreign bogeymen, the Clinton administration has pulled the caper again. The peacenik generation again uses war to try to save its skin. It makes no sense for Congress to trust Clinton on war and peace as it prepares to impeach him for pathological lying. Tragically and stupidly, some Republicans are ready to believe every word. Of course, the White House might have calculated that some of its opponents are suckers for killing foreigners. No one said the Clinton administration lacks a survival instinct. Two days before the administration settled on Iraq, the usual suspects -- identified only as "U.S. intelligence sources" in the media -- floated another trial balloon. We were told that terrorists allied with the shadowy Osama Bin Laden were planning to bomb a U.S. city. Recall that this was the same trump card Clinton used to justify a hit on a Sudanese pharmaceutical factory, an action that violated the Constitution but took Monica off the front pages for a few days. Perhaps this time, the administration found the Bin Laden excuse too lame, too spent, too uninteresting. Or perhaps their internal polling showed more public fear of the demon Saddam Hussein. In any case, the Bin threat was quickly dropped for the more tried-and-true excuse that Saddam was not cooperating with the friendly U.N. inspectors crawling all over that once-sovereign country. Even amidst the killing, isn't it time we ask why Iraq wouldn't cooperate with U.N. inspectors? Might there be another reason besides its desire to hide chemical and biological weapons? Iraq has been subject to U.S.-U.N. sanctions since 1991. More than 90,000 Iraqi children die every year due to disease and malnutrition because of these sanctions, an instrument of war deemed unjust since the time of St. Augustine. Meanwhile, Clinton spends his time in Palestine worrying about children whose fathers have been casualties in a conflict he can do nothing about. Clinton could have ended these murderous sanctions long ago. Instead, he has presided over that country's further demolition and impoverishment. But that hasn't been enough. The U.S. has called for the overthrow of Saddam and made clear its intention to keep sanctions in place until the end of time, not a policy Big Oil has seen fit to oppose. After all, Iraq could be selling vast quantities of the sweetest crude on earth, to the great benefit of American consumers. Meanwhile, after seven years of searching, not one "weapon of mass destruction" -- or any evidence of one -- has been found. Most recently, the U.S.-U.N. inspection squad sought to search, and to make copies of documents from, the ruling party's political headquarters. And we know that the U.S. is funding various front groups to overthrow the government, even as Clinton's lackeys complain about an attempted coup d'etat against him at home. Would the CIA and its front groups find internal political information from Iraq useful? Certainly. And is the Iraqi government likely -- even at the cost of bombings -- to turn such information over to its sworn enemies? Doubtful. This fact remains: there are no chemical weapons in the file drawers of the downtown, two-story headquarters of the Ba'ath Party. The demand to inspect this building was a provocation, and Saddam responded predictably. So, allegedly because the Iraqis refuse to allow an office building to be searched -- and actually because it will derail the impeachment process and generally advance the warfare state -- Clinton is sacrificing the lives of foreigners who have never done anything to us, and risking U.S. troops. It's important, after all, not to go down in history as William the Impeached. It should be clear that Saddam and Bill need each other. Saddam needs a foreign enemy on which to blame all his domestic troubles. And the U.S. embargo and periodic bombings allow him to keep a tighter grip over his own people. Bill needs a foreign enemy too, particularly one who heads a far-away country few Americans care a whit about. Can Clinton count on the patriotism reflex to cover up for his misrule? Surely Americans have not been drained of all power of political discernment. Llewellyn H.
[CTRL] Is History Repeating Itself
-Caveat Lector- Does anyone recall when Bush "hit" Iraq in Desert Storm all the news coverage was about this war and NOT one word about what was happening in a New York court room about his son and the banking scams? I found the timing of that rather interesting. His history repeating itself or was this really the most opportune time to strike Iraq? Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Conspiracy Against Democracy.
-Caveat Lector- Double agents like Manning are a big factor in this conspiracy. Consider also people like Gore who preached "democracy" so vigorously when he was in SE Asia recently but has no regard for democracy whatsoever. And I have to suspect that despite his recent pronouncements on the "corrupt political system" on CNN, Ross Perot is also a plutocrat delaying and frustrating the inevitable which is "direct electronic democracy", for all of North America. Otherwise this computer tycoon could bring telepolitics to every Citizen of the USA. FWP. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:20:29 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BCPolitics] Re: What's Wrong ?! From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Trevor Martin wrote: From: Trevor Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a firm believer in direct democracy, despite concerns about the knowledge level and understanding of a large body of voters. That is why I subscribed to this list. However, I have found this list to be dominated by personal attacks and ideological difference. It is too tiresome for me to continue. I am unsubscribing. Sorry to hear that. The price of freedom is indeed eternal vigilance. People like Johnson and Jones are among the 20% who did not vote for direct democracy and some of them will always be around to sabotage the new democracy. We have to learn to deal with them. I sincerely think it is likely that people like this have influenced Preston Manning to DELAY the direct democracy which is half the Reform platform. Perhaps those leftists aim to destroy the direct democracy initiative. I think there are elitists/plutocrats/dictators who come from all over the political spectrum and will try to destroy the new BC Democracy. The Civil Liberties Ass'n. here is one of the big enemies of direct democracy. Others, like Manning are clever enemies of democracy in disguise and come from the right wing. FWP. To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Guelfi on the Shroud
As always, . . . Om k - From: "Frank McGovern" [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is Count Guelfi's reply to me regarding the Shroud: Dear FXM, GI would be happy to answer your questions. GNow, whether there is a bloodline or not - there is a biological handprint on the cloth - FIf there is a Grail family could it have been the Savoys? They did alright for themselves over the years. GThe Savoy family is of the Bloodline, and hence, of the Grail, though their claim is not as strong as others. FWhen lady deCharny died it was passed on to someone who was distantly related to her - not her son(he was a wastrel as I have read). She wanted to give it to someone who would care for it, and maybe for more of a reason than that? F The Shroud is the vessel of the Holy Blood it is the Grail. G No. Though they truly believed that the shroud is that of Jesus. Hence, their reason for keeping it. It is not his, because a shroud was never placed over him at that young age. The man whose image is on the shroud is not Jesus. GAs a small discourse, I will explain a few details about the Grail. As a symbol, it represents many esoteric things. It also exists as a physical object. The relic, though not presently in use, but being kept, has been said to have been used by the Gods of old to prolong life. This is done through the transmutation of some type of fluid by the relic, which the Gods then drank. It renewed them in some way. Of course, this is all just a rumor. The relic does exist though. The age old legend has been that the power of the Gods was in the blood or in modern ideas, DNA. GTheir blood allowed them to live almost indefinitely, as well as to tap into the Universal Matrix. When Kingship was established on the Earth, with the Gods' approval, the King was conceived half man half god. The great men of old, the men of renown, the God Kings. The abilities of the Gods passed through their bloodline in their offspring. The blood was the human link to the Gods, and hence the importance of the Kings, and their need to be protected. The King's bloodline was the people's only link to the Gods, once they left. These teaching have been forgotten by most of today's monarchies, though they are of The Bloodline. The Bloodline of the Grail was renewed in it's resolve with the Hebrew nation, through the Holy Mother, and then through the Francs. Because the true Grail was used by the Gods to renew their lives, and their blood, the Kingly Bloodline came to be synonymous with the symbolism of the Grail. The Bloodline and the Grail are one in a symbolic way. G P1, P2, and their branch organizations are protectors of the Grail, the Holy Bloodline, and mankind's history, as well as agencies for the furtherance of our(the Bloodline's) goals. P2 has the added charge of preserving the Faith. I hope this answers some of your questions. Regards, Ct. Roman A.U. Guelfi Commandeur du Order de Sion Magister Templi du Internacionale Order du Temple de Solomon A.O. To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust [1]Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 7:09:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: analysis of the word "anti-Semitism" here ya go; an excerpt from: Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate Jean-Paul Sarte George J Becker(translator) Schocken Books(C)1948,1976 New York, NY Paul Morhien(C)1946 Paris, France ISBN 0-8052-1047-4 - Quite the book. First are some excerpts then the entire context. (Chapter 1) Om K --(1)-- Anti-Semitism is not merely the joy of hating: it brines positive pleasures too. By treating the Jew as an inferior and pernicious being, I affirm at the same time that I belong to the elite. This elite, in contrast to those of modern times which are based on merit or labor, closely resembles an aristocracy of birth. There is nothing I have to do to merit my superiority, and neither can I lose it. It is given once and for all. It is a thing. = In this sense anti-Semitism is, in a democracy, a covert form of what is called the struggle of the citizen against authority. Question any one of those turbulent young men who placidly break the law and band together to beat up a Jew in a deserted street: He will tell you that he wants a strong authority to take from him the crushing responsibility of thinking for himself. Since the Republic is weak, he is led to break the law out of love of obedience. But is it really strong authority that he wishes? In reality he demands rigorous order for others, and for himself disorder without responsibility. = We begin to understand that anti-Semitism is more than a mere "opinion" about the Jews and that it involves the entire personality of the anti-Semite. But we have not yet finished with him, for he does not confine himself to furnishing moral and political directives: he has a method of thought and a conception of the world all his own. In fact, we cannot state what he affirms without implicit reference to certain intellectual principles. = Facile talkers speak of a Jewish will to dominate the world. Here again, if we did not have the key, the manifestations of this will would certainly be unintelligible to us. We are told in almost the same breath that behind the Jew lurks international capitalism and the imperialism of the trusts and the munitions makers, and that he is the front man for piratical Bolshevism with a knife between its teeth. There is no embarrassment or hesitation about imputing responsibility for communism to Jewish bankers, whom it would horrify, or responsibility for capitalist imperialism to the wretched Jews who crowd the rue des Rosiers. But everything is made clear if we renounce any expectation from the Jew of a course of conduct that is reasonable and in conformity with his interests, if, instead, we discern in him a metaphysical principle that drives him to do evil under all circumstances, even though he thereby destroy himself. This principle, one may suspect, is magical. On the one hand, it is an essence, a substantial form, and the Jew, whatever he does, cannot modify it, any more than fire, can keep itself from burning. On the other hand, it is necessary in order to be able to hate the Jew--for one does not hate natural phenomena like earthquakes and plagues of locusts--that it also have the virtue of freedom. Only the freedom in question is carefully limited: The Jew is free to do evil. not good; he has only as much free will as is necessary for him to take full responsibility for the crimes of which he is the author; he does not have enough to be able to achieve a reformation. Strange liberty, which instead of preceding and constituting the essence? remains subordinate to it, is only an irrational quality of it, and yet remains liberty. There is only one creature, to my knowledge, who is thus totally free and yet chained to evil; that is the Spirit of Evil himself, Satan. Thus the Jew is assimilable to the spirit of evil. His will, unlike the Kantian will, is one which wills itself purely, gratuitously, and universally to be evil. It is the will to evil. Through him Evil arrives on the earth. All that is bad in society (crises, wars, famines, upheavals, and revolts) is directly or indirectly imputable to him. The anti-Semite is afraid of discovering that the world is ill-contrived, for then it would be necessary for him to invent and modify, with the result that man would be found to be the master of his own destinies, burdened with an agonizing and infinite responsibility. Thus he localizes all the evil of the universe in the Jew. If nations war with each other, the conflict does not arise from the fact that the idea of nationality, in its present form, implies imperialism and the clash of interests. No, it is because the Jew is there? behind the governments, breathing discord. If there is a class struggle, it is not because the economic organization leaves something to be desired: It is because Jewish demagogues, hook-nosed agitators, have seduced the workers. Anti-Semitism is thus
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust[2]Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 7:09:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: analysis of the word "anti-Semitism" an excerpt from: Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate Jean-Paul Sarte George J Becker(translator) Schocken Books(C)1948,1976 New York, NY Paul Morhien(C)1946 Paris, France ISBN 0-8052-1047-4 --(2)-- We must not confuse this precedence the anti-Semite enjoys by virtue of his principles with individual merit. The anti-Semite is not too anxious to possess individual merit. Merit has to be sought, just like truth; it is discovered with difficulty; one must deserve it. Once acquired, it is perpetually in question: a false step, an error, and it flies away. Without respite, from the beginning of our lives to the end, we are responsible for what merit we enjoy. Now the anti-Semite flees responsibility as he flees his own consciousness, and choosing for his personality the permanence of rock, he chooses for his morality a scale of petrified values. Whatever he does, he knows that he will remain at the top of the ladder; whatever the Jew does, he will never get any higher than the first rung. We begin to perceive the meaning of the anti-Semite's choice of himself. He chooses the irremediable out of fear of being free; he chooses mediocrity out of fear of being alone, and out of pride he makes of this irremediable mediocrity a rigid aristocracy. To this end he finds the existence of the Jew absolutely necessary. Otherwise to whom would he be superior? Indeed, it is vis-a-vis the Jew and the Jew alone that the anti-Semite realizes that he has rights. If by some miracle all the Jews were exterminated as he wishes, he would find himself nothing but a concierge or a shopkeeper in a strongly hierarchical society in which the quality of "true Frenchman" would be at a low valuation, because everyone would possess it. He would lose his sense of rights over the country because no one would any longer contest them, and that profound equality which brings him close to the nobleman and the man of wealth would disappear all of a sudden, for it is primarily negative. His frustrations, which he has attributed to the disloyal competition of the Jew, would have to be imputed to some other cause, lest he be forced to look within himself. He would run the risk of falling into bitterness, into a melancholy hatred of the privileged classes. Thus the anti-Semite is in the unhappy position of having a vital need for the very enemy he wishes to destroy. The equalitarianism that the anti-Semite seeks with so much ardor has nothing in common with that equality inscribed in the creed of the democracies. The latter is to be realized in a society that is economically hier archical, and is to remain compatible with a diversity of functions. But it is in protest against the hierarchy of functions that the anti-Semite asserts the equality of Aryans. He does not understand anything about the division of labor and doesn't care about it. From his point of view each citizen can claim the title of Frenchman, not because he co-operates, in his place or in his occupation, with others in the economic, social, and cultural life of the nation, but because he has, in the same way as everybody else, an imprescriptible and inborn right to the indivisible totality of the country. Thus the society that the anti-Semite conceives of is a society of juxtaposition one can very well imagine, since his ideal of property is that of real and basic property. Since, in point of fact, anti-Semites are numerous, each of them does his part in constituting a community based on mechanical solidarity in the heart of organized society. The degree of integration of each anti-Semite with this society, as well as the degree of his equality, is fixed by what I shall call the temperature of the community. Proust has shown, for example, how anti-Semitism brought the duke closer to his coachman, how, thanks to their hatred of Dreyfus, bourgeois families forced the doors of the aristocracy. The equalitarian society that the anti-Semite believes in is like that of mobs or those instantaneous societies which come into being at a Iynching or during a scandal. Equality in them is the product of the non-differentiation of functions. The social bond is anger; the collectivity has no other goal than to exercise over certain individuals a diffused repressive sanction. Collective impulsions and stereo types are imposed on individuals all the more strongly because none of them is defended by any specialized function. Thus the person is drowned in the crowd, and the ways of thinking and reacting of the group are of a purely primitive type. Of course, such collectivities do not spring solely from anti-Semitism; an uprising, a crime, an injustice can cause them to break out suddenly. But those are ephemeral formations which soon vanish without leaving any trace. Since anti-Semitism survives the great crises of Jew hatred, the society which the
Re: [CTRL] !!! NEWS FLASH !!!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 9:23:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They don't have to strike today, tomorrow or next month. The people have no where go . EXCEPT TO PUT UP A SMOKE SCREEN to cover up for a criminal politician, there is no reason why this must be done today, The UNSCOM report had just come out stating that there is every sign that Saddam is going ahead with his WMD program. In the meantime, Saddam had shut the UNSCOM down so surveillance was no longer taking place. Since Iraq could develop a major capability in just a few months, Clinton had to act fast. Since launching an attack during Ramadan would be awkward, Wednesday was a good choice. I trust you are not like Trent "draft dodger" Lott who complained a short while back that Clinton missed an opportunity to bomb Iraq. Now, of course, he is in a rage over the bombing. Could it be that Lott is so unprincipled that his stance merely depends upon what political wind seems convenient? Incidentally, Lott was full of praise for the racist group that Bob "family values" Barr recently keynoted for. I do agree that innocent people will be injured and killed in addition to their property destroyed and they will be indirectly harmed by destruction of utilities. That is why people like Lugar, Gingrich, and Lott should not be so eager for war as a way to prove their manhood, i.e. show machismo by sending other to die. Strange how on the right, with people like Safire who have been screaming for the US to bomb Iraq, there are now only pacifists. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Some Thought on Iraq
-Caveat Lector- Some thoughts on Iraq: 1) Because Saddam has a tendency to lop off weapons at anyone including his own citizens his "toys" need to be taken away from him. He's been a very bad boy. Therefore, intervention is needed. However, bombing installations is probably not the best approach. If containment of these weapons is truly the goal then bombing them is not very wise. "Clean up" of biological and chemical weapons and their components is a painstaking procedure and one where certain control mechanisms need to be in place for safety. Unless the dropped bombs and resulting fires completely incinerate these items there could be contamination problems galore - not to mention digging through tons of debris to get to the components. 2) During Desert Storm there was little or no talk about "eliminating" Saddam. There is an international agreement that one leader does not design plans, at least overtly, to assassinate another leader. Yet, in the CNN coverage last night there was amble chatting about doing preciously this. I found this turn-about rather interesting. Saddam has been such a pain in the butt over the past years that somehow it is now acceptable for world leaders to opening discuss "taking him out" and dismantling his "evil regime." 3) The peoples of Iraq face the same dilemma that Americans do - removing a unfit leader (some believe his is unfit) from office. Each of our peoples are presented with problems in doing just that. Though considering the growing number of corpses surrounding the Clinton Administration I suspect that these problems that one could encounter are very similar indeed. Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Prudy, and other Clinton supporters on this list Can you name at least ten things that Clinton did that are/were good for the country. I can state at least twenty treasonous acts by him. Will any of you take the challenge, or will you just keep on spouting your anti-Republican propaganda with no support what-so-ever for the Criminal-In-Chief??? Regards, Bob Stokes Educate me on the wonderful things Clinton has done for this country other than being a Democratic President... i will take your challenge if you could name one thing the republicrats have not done in persuit of their goal of enslaving the human race and wrecking the planet. does anyone know if his spout is still going? sirhC DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Bull! He was sworn to give truthful testimony in a sexual harassment case...sexual harassment IS a crime... June it could certainly be said that monica sexually harassed him into their sex acts. it might do well for you to think about your posts before jetting them off for all to see, without any thought as to what you are actually saying. sirhC DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 10:09:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incidentally, today's unbelievable, brazen, crass act of war against Iraq by Clinton and the claque of Jews around him (Cohen, Berger, Albright, Emanuel, and on and on and on) goes will go along way within six months to have many more Americans using the term ZOG (zionist occupational governement) and JOB (Jewish Occupational Government). This attack has nothing to do with American interests, as more and more Americans are waking up to that simple reality. Jim Condit Jr. You're not an anti-Semite? The dictionaries should show your face in the definition space. Incidentally, i don't need Fr. Fahey to tell me what anti- Semitism is since i have seen it all my life and find it disgusting. Your uncharacteristic errors in syntax betrays your blind rage. President Clinton launched the attack to cripple Saddam's WMD capability. Saddam had placed so many restrictions on UNSCOM that UNSCOM left Iraq. Therefore, there was no longer any surveillance of Saddam's WMD development status. However, the final UNSCOM report stated that Iraq was proceeding as fast as it could given the presence of UNSCOM. Since Iraq could develop a serious arsenal in just a few months, President Clinton had to move fairly fast. Since it would be awkward to start the bombing during Ramadan, the JCS advised him to act now. The brouhaha about the timing is just more Republican hysteria. Anyway, it is not a big deal to put off the impeachment (coup d'etat) vote for another few weeks. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bob Dole
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 10:09:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did he tell her that she could not get pregnant if he did not come in her too. Did i mss something in the little mickey mouse class i had to take on "marriage?" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 10:09:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the first time we have seen a major prolonged attack on a sovereign nation who was not already attacking somebody else. We have lost control of our country, and you don't have to look into shadowy, mysterious organizations to see who now runs it. It's on your TV every hour, 24 hours a day when an event like this is on --- those working with AIPAC, the evil B'nai B'rith, and the Isreali lobby. It's now out in the open for everyone to see. It is necessary that we have a Christian, dignified, but vigorous attitude as we move to take back our country like the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, and not fall for unjust reactions to unjust aggression such as was overseen by the evil Adolph Hitler -- who really has turned out to be the best propaganda weapon that anti-Christ Jewry ever had. First, I'm glad that you're not an anti-Semite. This is the first time we have seen a major prolonged attack on a sovereign nation who was not already attacking somebody else. Have you been asleep for the past forty years? We attacked North Vietnam before their North Vietnamese troops went into south. Of course, "South Vietnam" was merely an invention to keep the Vietnamese from governing themselves but that's another story. We invaded Panama making 20,000 homeless. What country were the Panamanians attacking? We invaded Grenada. We bombed Libya. We put together terrorist groups to attack Nicaragua and ferried them about for this purpose not to mention mining the national harbor. Would overthrowing democratically elected governments in Iran, Guatemala, and Chile count? Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-17 13:49:37 EST, you write: i will take your challenge if you could name one thing the republicrats have not done in persuit of their goal of enslaving the human race and wrecking the planet. does anyone know if his spout is still going? sirhC Just as I thought, you can't name anything he's done for the United States. Your position has no reasons to support Clinton other than he is a Democrat. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
