Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/6/99 11:57:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You already do! If my previous statement re AOL "eliminating" dissidents is true (a concept unknown to The American) then this list COULD NOT EXIST without AOL approval. You must be an Orwellian flunky or AOL would not allow you to continue with this schlock!!! Ask an AOL admin whore to answer my question DIRECTLY about AOL censorship. FWP. AAHH! Interesting trap there. I see your point, but don't you see the fallacy of your posting the question in this forum if your supposition is correct? I answered in the best way that I could. If your hypothesis is correct it has not changed how I behave or will behave and will ultimately have no effect since it is all axiomatic. Maybe I am an Orwellian flunky as you say but aren't you a little bit naive to ask a question about censorship to a group that you believe is censored? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Teo One Thousand wrote: In a message dated 2/6/99 11:57:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You already do! If my previous statement re AOL "eliminating" dissidents is true (a concept unknown to The American) then this list COULD NOT EXIST without AOL approval. You must be an Orwellian flunky or AOL would not allow you to continue with this schlock!!! Ask an AOL admin whore to answer my question DIRECTLY about AOL censorship. FWP. AAHH! Interesting trap there. I see your point, but don't you see the fallacy of your posting the question in this forum if your supposition is correct? I answered in the best way that I could. If your hypothesis is correct it has not changed how I behave or will behave and will ultimately have no effect since it is all axiomatic. Maybe I am an Orwellian flunky as you say but aren't you a little bit naive to ask a question about censorship to a group that you believe is censored? Teo1000 Nay, O' Celestial Bunghole of one thousand cybernightmares. I have your whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I care! FWP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [BCPolitics] Re: Quantum theory (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 21:11:41 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Carrie Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jim Giglio [EMAIL PROTECTED], Henry Ayre [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BCPolitics] Re: Quantum theory From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anything which happens, happens in this world and I CAN WRITE A COMPUTER PROGRAM FOR IT. That is one of the messages of my latest book on "Machine Psychology" and I commend you on getting it out of me before publication date! So I don't care if your manifestations in this world are those of pope, preacher or devil...I can program any and all of them. FWP. On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Carrie Drake wrote: Jim Giglio wrote: I think I got added to this cc: list because I've been communicating with Herb on certain political issues. I seem to have come in midway to an argument about the validity of quantum physics, a scientific notion far removed from politics. I disagree with the view that quauntum THEORY is a scientific notion that is far removed from politics. What bothers me about quantum theory is that it leads on a path of thought that assumes that science has a duty to answer cosmological/metaphysical questions as an extension of religion rather than serve as a tool for human purposes. Out of that line of thought has come a a whole new slew of religious cults... including that Hale Bopp cult that committed suicide based on the belief that subjective sensation is the path to the perfect knowledge of the "mind of God" on the premise that the subjective is the part of us that is immortal and that ultimately can exist without a body. Frank Tipler's book, THE PHYSICS OF IMMORTALITY attempts to advance a system of thinking along that path, and I have seen other efforts to develop on the belief that technology is proof of the validity of an idea. Unfortunately, lobbyists from Silicon Valley are gaining a lot of political clout because of the enormous amount of money they are using to buy political favors. Sure, they would love the public to think that the gods in the heavens have seen fit to exercise the "invisible hand" to enrich the computer industry enough to buy the U.S. Government for their private purposes while leading the American people to believe that quantum theory is far removed from politics. The fact is that quantum theory is its technological products must be held ethically and morally accountable to the public, whatever twists of the "Uncertainty Principle" that Silicon Valley CEOs use to rationalize their belief that the world is only an extension of their egos to serve at their private pleasure. Every sexual deviant that comes along would also like to believe that it is the "Uncertainty Principle" that explains why they can't get a grip on their lives. It is very much a moral and ethical issue that these CEOs have also been gaining domination over the whole information industry and language, itself. If greed motivates abuse of information technology and educational resources for propaganda purposes at the expense of objective, accurate information reaching the public about what is going on, that is an ethical issue that we had better pay a lot of attention to rather than allow technowhizzards spin us silly with their quantum theory jargon. I would advise people to pay more attention to what is coming out of the Congressional Internet Caucus Advisory Committee than quantum theory, and think twice about letting private interests buy the U.S. Government, and every last remaining organization that serves as watchdogs on the media, the environment, the educational system, the courts, etc. This week, Bio sent out a very informative e-mail to the Roundtable list providing a lot of very solid reasons why it is vitally important to keep an eye on the "All-Seeing Eye" that has so successfuly put Americans in a trance of euphoria over the state of the nation. The gap between reality and perception in the public is a very good reason to start reversing the dumbing down of America with the whistles and bells that are seducing them into "interfacing" their brains with the whims of the technological puppetmasters who control the New World Order. For anyone who hasn't seen that item of e-mail on the CICAC, I would be happy to see a copy of it. I also recommend the webpage on The Marriage of Psychology and Technology for those who are interested in reality rather than in what merely looks good and feels good.http://home.earthlink.net/~openbook/Soc.post.coldwar.html Carrie Drake I've had an introduction to this topic
Re: [CTRL] Howard: DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- Edward Britton wrote: snip chiding MJ: There is a stark difference between OBSERVATION and insult. Regard$, --MJ You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself. -- Galileo DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Teo One Thousand wrote: In a message dated 2/6/99 11:57:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You already do! If my previous statement re AOL "eliminating" dissidents is true (a concept unknown to The American) then this list COULD NOT EXIST without AOL approval. You must be an Orwellian flunky or AOL would not allow you to continue with this schlock!!! Ask an AOL admin whore to answer my question DIRECTLY about AOL censorship. FWP. AAHH! Interesting trap there. I see your point, but don't you see the fallacy of your posting the question in this forum if your supposition is correct? I answered in the best way that I could. If your hypothesis is correct it has not changed how I behave or will behave and will ultimately have no effect since it is all axiomatic. Maybe I am an Orwellian flunky as you say but aren't you a little bit naive to ask a question about censorship to a group that you believe is censored? Teo1000 Nay, O' Celestial Bunghole of one thousand cybernightmares. I have your whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I care! FWP. FWP, -- AOL does not seem to have to censer us. We seem to be able to see, the people that would need to use someone else's brain to be able to have a thought. Your vocabulary is deplorable, Your ideas are out of some mired in pig pen (that also smells)! May a thousand camels make a pit stop at your tent, and leave you a additional present of their fleas. Kris - Citations may not be needed, but must we be abused by such as this person? As far as the list, it seems as if the ones that would complain about it, are the ones that would like to take it over. To them something that is this good a collaboration, that works this well should be able to be taken over - by a hostile take over, leveraged buy out or something. There are always some that can not follow the rules, or want to make the ones in control think that something is wrong. Wait a minute! This makes me think of many University degrees. In olden times, in some places (in this century) Universities believed in a comprehensive curriculum. Buy a degree, like Bush Sr. did? This list seems to be something that you do not see in a University, Free Thinkers that talk about all subjects with all people. Universities specialize, some advocate testing at the grade school level to make sure that students are not allowed to have a broad background. This list is the opposite of that, and I would not change a thing. If we have some fussing like this we must be doing something right. Can he go now??? aka The Pied Piper DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, 1lls0081 wrote: -Caveat Lector- Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Teo One Thousand wrote: In a message dated 2/6/99 11:57:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You already do! If my previous statement re AOL "eliminating" dissidents is true (a concept unknown to The American) then this list COULD NOT EXIST without AOL approval. You must be an Orwellian flunky or AOL would not allow you to continue with this schlock!!! Ask an AOL admin whore to answer my question DIRECTLY about AOL censorship. FWP. AAHH! Interesting trap there. I see your point, but don't you see the fallacy of your posting the question in this forum if your supposition is correct? I answered in the best way that I could. If your hypothesis is correct it has not changed how I behave or will behave and will ultimately have no effect since it is all axiomatic. Maybe I am an Orwellian flunky as you say but aren't you a little bit naive to ask a question about censorship to a group that you believe is censored? Teo1000 Nay, O' Celestial Bunghole of one thousand cybernightmares. I have your whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I care! FWP. FWP, -- AOL does not seem to have to censer us. We seem to be able to see, the people that would need to use someone else's brain to be able to have a thought. Your vocabulary is deplorable, Your ideas are out of some mired in pig pen (that also smells)! May a thousand camels make a pit stop at your tent, and leave you a additional present of their fleas. Kris - Citations may not be needed, but must we be abused by such as this person? As far as the list, it seems as if the ones that would complain about it, are the ones that would like to take it over. To them something that is this good a collaboration, that works this well should be able to be taken over - by a hostile take over, leveraged buy out or something. There are always some that can not follow the rules, or want to make the ones in control think that something is wrong. Wait a minute! This makes me think of many University degrees. In olden times, in some places (in this century) Universities believed in a comprehensive curriculum. Buy a degree, like Bush Sr. did? This list seems to be something that you do not see in a University, Free Thinkers that talk about all subjects with all people. Universities specialize, some advocate testing at the grade school level to make sure that students are not allowed to have a broad background. This list is the opposite of that, and I would not change a thing. If we have some fussing like this we must be doing something right. Can he go now??? aka The Pied Piper Dear Pie (as in Cow Pie): No you don't have to be bothered by someone with at least half a brain. Just unsub me. It is the "AOL WAY". And be good little sheep and believe that "lists" like this are exercises in free speech. I would rather believe in the tooth fairy. You can believe in Barney Frank as you do now. FWP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-07 01:12:00 EST, you write: Nay, O' Celestial Bunghole of one thousand cybernightmares. I have your whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I care! FWP Just from looking at his CC list (Henry Ayre and 13Teaxan), it is appaent he is in with the same crowd that got bounced about a year ago for their praise of Hitler etc. etc. Like I really care about some nut in BC. Stay in Canada fwp. Consider the source, wish I could block his posts. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. MJ: Whatever the MOB says goes? Certainly a Tyranny easily identified by another name. Regard$, --MJ A Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on dinner. A Republic: The flock gets to vote for which wolves vote on dinner. A Constitutional Republic: Voting on dinner is expressly forbidden, and the sheep are armed. Federal Government: The means by which the sheep will be fooled into voting for a Democracy... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Nay, O' Celestial Bunghole of one thousand cybernightmares. I have your whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I care! FWP. FWP, -- AOL does not seem to have to censer us. We seem to be able to see, the people that would need to use someone else's brain to be able to have a thought. Your vocabulary is deplorable, Your ideas are out of some mired in pig pen (that also smells)! May a thousand camels make a pit stop at your tent, and leave you a additional present of their fleas. Kris - Citations may not be needed, but must we be abused by such as this person? As far as the list, it seems as if the ones that would complain about it, are the ones that would like to take it over. To them something that is this good a collaboration, that works this well should be able to be taken over - by a hostile take over, leveraged buy out or something. There are always some that can not follow the rules, or want to make the ones in control think that something is wrong. Wait a minute! This makes me think of many University degrees. In olden times, in some places (in this century) Universities believed in a comprehensive curriculum. Buy a degree, like Bush Sr. did? This list seems to be something that you do not see in a University, Free Thinkers that talk about all subjects with all people. Universities specialize, some advocate testing at the grade school level to make sure that students are not allowed to have a broad background. This list is the opposite of that, and I would not change a thing. If we have some fussing like this we must be doing something right. Can he go now??? aka The Pied Piper Dear Pie (as in Cow Pie): No you don't have to be bothered by someone with at least half a brain. Just unsub me. It is the "AOL WAY". And be good little sheep and believe that "lists" like this are exercises in free speech. I would rather believe in the tooth fairy. You can believe in Barney Frank as you do now. FWP. Thank You, Cow Pies have been known to be used for building, fuel, and to help some fall flat on their faces. As far as you assuming what I think and believe, so you think you are so good that you should have control here and tell us the facts of life? Kinda like porno movies, When that is all you can teach, you need to make a big deal of something that is easy to find and do. Sounds like Clinton? Just unsub me. It is the "AOL WAY" This sounds like someone that does not like something so they want to put it into a stereotype. Would you seriously keep someone like you on a discussion list, if the list was not for dis- CUSS - ion? Break is over for me, this "Pie" needs to light a fire under some other work. You could use a dictionary and broaden your vocabulary. BYE aka The Pied Piper DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [BCPolitics] PURE COMMUNIST CONSTRUCTION AS BRITISH COLUMBIA'S FUTURE. (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BCPolitics] PURE COMMUNIST CONSTRUCTION AS BRITISH COLUMBIA'S FUTURE. From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look Johnson/Dick Clone or whoever the hell you are (and I don't give a damn): It is like this. I, KING FRANKLIN THE FIRST OF FALSE CREEK am in the process of balkanizing British Columbia. You can then arrange SOVEREIGN LEASES for whatever kind of dill weed political philosophy-ideology you have in mind. The Libertarians and Anarchists and their amusing combos will especially entertain us in the "True North, red and Free." FWP (King). On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote: From: "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] nurev wrote: This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. MJ: Whatever the MOB says goes? Certainly a Tyranny easily identified by another name. Regard$, --MJ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Bob Stokes wrote: Just from looking at his CC list (Henry Ayre and 13Teaxan), it is appaent he is in with the same crowd that got bounced about a year ago for their praise of Hitler etc. etc. Like I really care about some nut in BC. Stay in Canada fwp. Nay O' tp of Americanism. Pops Ayre knows all and sees all with "his head in the cool, cool North" (Alaska) as the pop song words say. Mind you his head is sometimes shoved up the ass of a frozen sled dog but that is another story. The cryogenics boys will figure out how to thaw out poor old Getafix. Consider the source, wish I could block his posts. Spoken like a true AOL free speech loving "prawn". THIS LIST IS A CONSPIRACY FWP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Corruption Beyond Belief
-Caveat Lector- Corruption Beyond Belief By David M. Bresnahan copyright 1999 David M. Bresnahan If you study Bill Clinton's past you can predict his future. It is fairly easy to see where he is headed knowing what he has done before and observing how he operates. The Clinton health plan debate was a major topic of discussion in June 1994, and I was a very outspoken critic. I was also a Republican candidate for the Utah House of Representatives, and my campaign was in full swing -- a campaign I would win in November of that year. "This is the special events office of the White House for David Bresnahan," said the voice calling me on my home phone. "Yeah, right. Who is this really," I asked, assuming one of my friends was trying to put one over on me. I checked. It turned out he really was from the White House. It seems that somehow I was being invited to meet first lady Hillary Clinton. It later evolved into a meeting with President Clinton as well. The health-care debate was at its peak, and I had been an outspoken critic in 1994 as a candidate for the Utah House of Representatives. Somehow former Democratic Rep. Karen Shepherd had me listed in her computer as a health-care reform supporter. Her staff called the White House and asked for an opportunity for me to meet the president and first lady. With only a couple days' notice I was able to make the travel arrangements and off I went, not knowing what to expect other than being told I would have an opportunity to meet and express my views. Before leaving I held a neighborhood meeting in my backyard, at the Chamber of Commerce, and the Rotary where letters were signed expressing dismay with the plans that were moving forward to federalize health care. Even Democrats were signing the letters. My neighbors were questioned by the FBI for a security check, and I went through the normal security procedures at the front gate of the White House. According to former FBI agent Gary Aldrich in an interview on my radio show, I went through a tougher background check than many of the White House staff. After a brief visit to a non-public portion of the White House, I was ushered out to the South Lawn where seats were arranged under a canopy for a speech. It had a political campaign atmosphere, and every attendee was given a placard that read: "Small Businesses everywhere want Universal Health Care." I was instructed to watch for signals from strategically placed audience directors for when to hold up the sign and when to applaud. They seated me in the front row, but I felt so out of place that I quietly found my way to the back so I wouldn't stand out like a sore thumb when I didn't raise my sign or clap wildly. In fact, I was a real fish out of water as I realized that I was most likely the only person in the crowd of several hundred who did not support this absurd attempt to socialize health care. I had been told that I would be met by Rep. Shepherd at the White House, but she never showed. I later learned that she had finally figured out that she had made a gigantic mistake by inviting me and ditched the meeting. The press were the only ones who knew that I was a strong opponent, and they were waiting for me in a roped off section behind the audience. We met and arranged a press conference on the lawn of the White House when it was all over. The White House staff would not permit them to go with me when I met with President and Mrs. Clinton. The White House band played for at least 30 minutes prior to the presentation. It was amazing to see the way the audience was built up for what was to come. By the time "Hail to the Chief" was played, they were primed and ready to give the kind of response those audience directors were looking for. When Mrs. Clinton spoke the crowd responded on cue with wild enthusiasm to a presentation packed with emotion and devoid of facts. It was a good thing I had moved to the back row. I clapped politely when necessary, stood by my chair when everyone else jumped up and down with their silly signs, and I hoped no one would notice my lack of enthusiasm. If this crowd discovered who I was, I was afraid I would be like a piece of raw meat thrown into a pack of hungry wolves. Fortunately, I was able to avoid attracting attention to myself. Without Rep. Shepherd to introduce me to the president I was concerned that my meeting with him would not take place. I was able to make myself known to one of the staff who seemed to have nothing to do, and I became her project. I told her the truth. I was a candidate for a Utah House race in a very tough district. My congresswoman was supposed to meet me but I couldn't find her, and I was concerned that I would miss out on my visit with the President and Mrs. Clinton. I also pointed out that I was bringing hundreds of letters from my constituents which the Clintons would most certainly want to receive. She didn't ask, so I didn't tell her that my tough race was against a popular,
[CTRL] Greatest Intelligence Scam Of The Century? Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stig Agermose) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copies to: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:IUFO: Greatest Intelligence Scam Of The Century? Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore Date sent: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 10:20:06 GMT Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - IUFO Mailing List Source: Covert Action Quarterly 63, 30 Jan 1999, http://caq.com:80/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html Stig *** Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore? by Wayne Madsen FOR AT LEAST HALF A CENTURY, THE US HAS BEEN INTERCEPTING AND DECRYPTING THE TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS OF MOST OF THE WORLD'S GOVERNMENTS ** It may be the greatest intelligence scam of the century: For decades, the US has routinely intercepted and deciphered top secret encrypted messages of 120 countries. These nations had bought the world's most sophisticated and supposedly secure commercial encryption technology from Crypto AG, a Swiss company that staked its reputation and the security concerns of its clients on its neutrality. The purchasing nations, confident that their communications were protected, sent messages from their capitals to embassies, military missions, trade offices, and espionage dens around the world, via telex, radio, teletype, and facsimile. They not only conducted sensitive albeit legal business and diplomacy, but sometimes strayed into criminal matters, issuing orders to assassinate political leaders, bomb commercial buildings, and engage in drug and arms smuggling. All the while, because of a secret agreement between the National Security Agency (NSA) and Crypto AG, they might as well have been hand delivering the message to Washington. Their Crypto AG machines had been rigged so that when customers used them, the random encryption key could be automatically and clandestinely transmitted with the enciphered message. NSA analysts could read the message traffic as easily as they could the morning newspaper. The cover shielding the NSA-Crypto AG relationship was torn in March 1992, when the Iranian military counterintelligence service arrested Hans Buehler, Crypto AG's marketing representative in Teheran. The Iranian government charged the tall, 50ish businessman with spying for the "intelligence services of the Federal Republic of Germany and the United States of America." "I was questioned for five hours a day for nine months," Buehler says. "I was never beaten, but I was strapped to wooden benches and told I would be beaten. I was told Crypto was a spy center" that worked with foreign intelligence services. Despite prolonged interrogation, Buehler - who had worked for Crypto AG for 13 years and was on his 25th trip to Iran - apparently maintained his ignorance. "I didn't know that the equipment was bugged, otherwise the Iranians ould have gotten it out of me by their many _methods._ " With millions of dollars in contracts and a major international spy operation at stake, the company was eager to make the incident and Buehler go away, even though the salesman had brought in 40 percent of Crypto's 100 million Swiss franc sales revenue. Crypto bought Buehler's freedom with a $1 million payment to the Iranians, returned him to Switzerland, and then, astonishingly, fired him and ordered the bewildered salesman to repay the bond. The cover-up backfired, however, when current and former Crypto employees came to Buehler's defense and shared their first-hand knowledge of manipulated cipher equipment. "I hold proofs [sic] of the rigging of code machines," said an unidentified former Crypto AG engineer. "Fifteen years ago, I saw American and German engineers doctoring our machines. It took me some time until I was certain about the manipulations. The proofs: technical documents. ... I put them in a bank safety deposit box. Then I informed the federal prosecutors_ office in Berne. There were many conversations. Suddenly, these contacts were broken off and the affair petered out." The engineer told another reporter: the schemes and the cipher keys were created by them [NSA and BND (Bundesnacrichtendienst-the German intelligence service)]. I immediately, discreetly, notified the Swiss prosecutors. There was an investigation. I was never able to find out the result. Today, the Buehler affair brings everything out in the open again. And, I'm afraid. What happened to Hans Buehler could happen to any other salesperson of Crypto AG. It's not a question of attacking this company; it's a question of saving lives When the Swiss media began to reveal the background of Buehler's story, Crypto AG responded with a lawsuit in an attempt to quash the story and muzzle Buehler. The suit was settled days
[CTRL] New evidence in Mumia Abu-Jamal case
-Caveat Lector- Subject: New evidence in Mumia Abu-Jamal case Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 12:40:12 -0500 Leonard Weinglass reveals critical new evidence in Mumia Abu-Jamal case By Jeff Mackler Speaking at a January 23 New York City national leadership conference called to prepare the April 24 mass demonstrations for a new trial for Mumia Abu-Jamal in Philadelphia, San Francisco, and internationally, chief legal counsel Leonard Weinglass presented a comprehensive update on the case that included startling new information further demonstrating Jamal's innocence. Jamal, a journalist, author, leading critic of police violence and brutality, and internationally known fighter for democratic and human rights, was framed-up in 1982 on charges of murdering Philadelphia police officer, Daniel Faulkner. Jamal has spent the past 18 years on death row, incarcerated 23 hours daily in a tiny cell, while leading a historic battle for justice and for his freedom. Attorney Weinglass, addressing some 70 leaders of the national political defense effort at the Columbia University gathering, reported on a recent study done by Professor David Baldus, a leading U.S. authority on race and the court system. Baldus' 1983-93 study, which includes the case of Mumia Abu-Jamal, documents the concerted efforts of Philadelphia District Attorneys to exclude Blacks from juries. Blacks were 5.2 times as likely to be thrown off juries as whites according to Baldus. In Mumia's case, the figure rose to 16 times more likely. No other case in this comprehensive study has such a ratio. Professor Baldus is now studying the record of Mumia's 1982 prosecutor, Joseph McGill in this regard. Racism in the selection of jurors is a key point of contention in Mumia's case since 11 African-Americans were removed. Weinglass presented a detailed report regarding new information on the case that had been obtained by the defense team. An internationally renowned ballistics expert, Dr. Peter De Forrest, has been hired by the defense team. De Forrest has discovered critical new evidence including his assertion that the bullet that killed Police Officer Faulkner was actually intact as opposed to the testimony of the medical examiner that it was smashed and broken into two pieces. The defense team has uncovered evidence that could demonstrate that the actual bullet that killed Faulkner was switched. A former Philadelphia police officer told the defense that such switching was done all the time. Additional information reported by Weinglass relates to the issue of whether the police knew who Mumia was at the time of the murder. The police claim that they did not know him. The highest ranking policeman on the scene, Captain Giordano, reported that Mumia had confessed. His testimony, however, was not used in the trial because he was indicted for massive corruption and plead guilty in federal court. Giordano was the ranking officer at Benjamin Franklin H.S. when Mumia led the fight there to rename the school Malcolm X. Captain Giordano also headed the unit in the police action against MOVE headquarters in 1978. Police officer Forbes, who found Mumia's gun at the scene, also knew who Mumia was. This new information offers the defense a powerful argument for discovery, that is, to demand access to the huge files the police admit to having on Jamal yet refuse to turn over to the defense. Previous defense efforts to access these and other files, have been denied. The new evidence opens new legal avenues for such discovery. Weinglass presented some stunning information related to Mumia's alleged confession. Priscilla Durham, the security guard at the hospital, who, some two months after the alleged murder, reported that Mumia had confessed his guilt as he lay in the hospital, is dead. Durham claimed at the 1982 trial that she reported this confession to another police officer, Bartelli, one day after the murder. It appears that Bartelli, also, is dead. And finally, another security guard who reported that he heard a confession, is also dead. A detailed report was presented by Weinglass on an individual who was reported to be on the crime scene who may have been the person who actually killed police officer Daniel Faulkner. A driver's license had been found in Faulkner's clothing. The police had arrested the owner of the license, who, while able to prove that he was not on the murder scene, stated that he had given his license to this person. Two months after the murder this same person was arrested on other charges. He was found to be in possession of a 22-calibre weapon which might have been capable of firing a bullet with a copper jacket similar to the one found on the crime scene. The copper-jacketed bullet could not have been fired by either Officer Faulkner's gun or Mumia's gun. Jamal defenders have long argued that the above information, known to the police at the time, was illegally kept from the defense. It was not presented at Mumia's 1982 trial.
[CTRL] Senate's legislative clerk killed in accident
-Caveat Lector- (Seems strange two intelligent people would be killed "walking across a highway" I mean, most people look before crossing, unless... Hillory? --SW) Senate's legislative clerk killed in accident February 6, 1999 Web posted at: 1:00 p.m. EST (1800 GMT) WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, February 6) -- The legislative clerk who called the roll during U.S. Senate votes was killed Friday in Arlington, Virginia. Bates called the roll during Senate votes in Clinton's impeachment trial Raymond Scott Bates, 50, and his wife were struck by an automobile about 6:30 p.m. as they were walking across Lee Highway. Bates died a few hours later at Washington Hospital Center, and Ricki Ellison Bates was listed in critical condition Saturday morning. The car that struck them was driven by an unidentified 22-year-old man from Manassas, Virginia, police said. No charges have been filed, but police are investigating. Bates' voice was heard across the country when he called the roll during votes in President Clinton's impeachment trial. The Washington Post reported that Bates had worked in the Senate for 30 years, the last eight as the legislative clerk. Senate Parliamentarian Robert B. Dove said Bates began his Senate career as a bill clerk after arriving in the nation's capital from Arkansas. Ricki Bates is employed by the Arlington County public school system, neighbors said. The couple have two daughters in college and a son in middle school. The Associated Press contributed to this report. Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Today's Midi http://www.anomalous-images.com/backyard_babies-ufo_romeo.MID Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] King Hussein
-Caveat Lector-
From Reuters
"" The future king's leading role in the military should help ensure he
gets the support from the armed forces crucial to a smooth transition.""
"" His {Abdullah's} main role has been within the Special Forces, a highly
specialized commando unit dedicated to maintaining internal order. ""
Saturday February 6 8:03 AM ET
Jordan's Abdullah: From Soldier To Regent
Picture: Reuters Photo
Reuters Photo
AMMAN (Reuters) - Prince Abdullah bin Hussein, eldest son of Jordan's dying
King Hussein, was swept from special forces commander to regent after his
terminally ill father named him his heir last month.
The 37-year-old prince, who had been commander of Jordan's Special Forces
in an army which forms the bedrock of support for the ruling Hashemite
dynasty, assumed the powers of head of state Saturday as the king lay
unconscious in an Amman hospital.
Up until recently Abdullah had rarely been considered a leading contender
for the throne.
Energetic and enthusiastic, he showed more interest in night-time missions
with his forces patrolling for smugglers along Jordan's eastern borders
with Iraq.
Close associates say Abdullah, whose interests include collecting ancient
weapons, had little ambition outside the army, telling military sources as
recently as two months ago he had no wish to be king.
Ungroomed for the highest office, he was thrown into the international
spotlight by his father's shock decision last week to install him as heir
in place of his brother Prince Hassan, his designated successor for 34
years, and by the swift and deadly return of a cancer which the king
battled last year.
Barely had Hussein rushed back to the United States for more treatment than
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright arrived in Amman to express support
for the soldier prince.
Princes from royal families of Gulf Arab states and the son of Libyan
leader Muammar Gaddafi also came to Amman to voice their backing.
The future king's leading role in the military should help ensure he gets
the support from the armed forces crucial to a smooth transition.
But sources say his political abilities remain untested and question how
well-suited his sometimes impulsive enthusiasm would be to complex affairs
of state, dealing with other Arab leaders who have ruled for decades and
tackling the economic woes bedeviling his resource-poor country.
Abdullah was crown prince for a short time in his infancy but his uncle,
Prince Hassan -- King Hussein's youngest brother -- was appointed heir in
1965 to ensure the crown would not pass to a young child at a time of
mounting Middle East turmoil.
He has occasionally acted as regent in the absence of King Hussein and
other senior family members and has built up links with young members of
Gulf Arab ruling families.
His main role has been within the Special Forces, a highly specialized
commando unit dedicated to maintaining internal order. It helped to quell
riots in southern Jordan in 1996.
Last year he led a high-profile Special Forces operation to storm the
hideout of gunmen who had killed eight people in Amman. When the shooting
was over Jordanians chanted his name on the streets.
A few months later his father promoted him to major-general and diplomats
speculated that the king, the Middle East's longest-serving ruler, was
grooming him to take command of Jordan's land forces.
Although Jordan's constitution does not rule it out, the fact Abdullah had
an English mother, born a non-Muslim, had been seen as an obstacle to his
taking the throne of a tribal Muslim country.
Jordanians, especially those of Palestinian origin, have shown greater
affection for Prince Ali, son of King Hussein's third wife Alia -- a
Palestinian Muslim. Abdullah does, however, have a Palestinian wife.
More recently King Hussein had appeared to be preparing the 18-year-old
Prince Hamza, his eldest son by his fourth wife Queen Noor, for the throne.
But officials said the king judged it too risky to name an untested
teenager as next in line for the throne.
Prince Abdullah was born in Amman on January 30, 1962, the son of King
Hussein by his second wife, Englishwoman Toni Gardiner, known as Princess
Muna.
He was sent to school in England aged four but completed his high school
education in the United States. He later took one-year courses in
international affairs at Oxford University in England and Georgetown
University in Washington.
In 1980 he joined the British military academy at Sandhurst and served in
the British army in West Germany and Britain. He served in Jordan's 41st
and 90th armored brigades, the air force's Helicopter Anti-tank Wing and
the Second Guards Brigade.
In 1993 he was appointed deputy commander of the Special Forces, assuming
command one year later.
Abdullah married Princess Rania in June 1993. They have a son, Prince
Hussein, and a daughter, Princess Iman.
Abdullah is a qualified frogman and pilot. His interests include car
racing, water sports, scuba
Re: [CTRL] Corruption Beyond Belief
-Caveat Lector- I remember learning years ago about Abraham Lincoln whose political supporters/advisers used to have strategically positioned 'applauders'. The intent was to have them placed in auditoria so when applauding, the acoustics made it sound as if the whole place was sounding its approval. Has Mr Bresnahan looked at the whole history of political manipulation, I wonder? I'm more surprised by his reaction than by what he reports. I think Pat Sajak (et al) have the same devices available to 'teach' the TV audience what is funny or groany and when to laugh or groan (laff-traks, groan-traks) ... AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: Mike Moxley [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: [CTRL] Corruption Beyond Belief : Date: Sunday, February 07, 1999 4:33 AM : : -Caveat Lector- : : Corruption Beyond Belief : By David M. Bresnahan : copyright 1999 David M. Bresnahan : : The campaign has never ended. Everything the Clintons do, everywhere : they appear, every word they say is carefully planned and scripted. : The press is controlled and the public is manipulated, and if asked : about it political consultants (the spin doctors) will brag about : their success. : : There was a time in Germany when such people were called propaganda : ministers. : : The stage is set. The audience directors are in place. The press is : being controlled. The large-scale version of the event I attended is : about to unfold, and when it does the most powerful dictator the world : has ever known will rise from the ashes of defeat into the greatest : political victory of all time. : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton psalms off Republican over brunch with God (http://www.telegraph.co.uk
Title: Comment: Clinton psalms off Republican over brunch with God ISSUE 1351 Friday 5 February 1999 Comment: Clinton psalms off Republican over brunch with GodBy Mark Steyn Prosecutors lose the battle over Lewinsky I want you to know that I care for you and I love you, Oklahoma Republican Steve Largent told the President, and that's one of the mysteries of Jesus. I'll say. They were both at the Hilton for the annual National Prayer Breakfast, one of those opportunities to flaunt his faith that Bill Clinton never passes up. The President's religion is yet another mystery: in one of the most striking examples of his ability to compartmentalise, he strolled out of his church after an Easter service, waved his trusty Bible to the crowds, and then went back to the Oval Office to observe the resurrection with Monica in a more personal sense. Mr Clinton is always talking about my God, and you can't help feeling his God is a kind of Vegas version of those Graeco-Roman types: a celestial lounge act with cigar and martini, unwinding in the hot tub with the angelic hostesses, the sorta God who knows that what counts is not how much you forgive but how much you've got to be forgiven for. At yesterday's ecumenical breakfast, Bill Clinton's God took His place with more traditional Judaeo-Christian-Islamic models. The President was joined by the nation's highest-rated radio scold, Dr Laura, author of a new book on the Ten Commandments and hence reluctant to concede the Clinton position that at least three of them don't rise to the level of impeachment. Dr Laura's catchphrase is: I am my kid's mom (if you want to learn more about her, there are some nude photos on the Internet). The event was chaired by Congressman Largent, a rising Republican star who was chosen to give the official response to Mr Clinton's State of the Union address and laid out a compelling GOP platform - he talked about country singer Vince Gill's Christmas album and revealed that he'd been raised in a single-parent household. Mr Largent's catchphrase is: I am my mom's kid. Other speakers included the President (I am my intern's mentor) and the Vice-President (I am my President's Vice-President). Also present were both the man Mr Clinton kept waiting in the outer office while he finished up with Monica, Yasser Arafat (I am your President's 10 o'clock appointment), and the first Democratic Senator to criticise his leader, Joe Lieberman (I am my party's only supporter to date of a bipartisan Finding of Fact resolution). Lord, hear his prayers, beseeched Senator Lieberman. Help him with the work he's doing with his family and his spiritual advisers. Mr Clinton's certainly been doing a lot of work with his spiritual advisers. In December, they issued a press statement about which particular Psalm he'd be reading in private during the final House impeachment vote. The President's work with his family is less obvious. At the prayer breakfast, he didn't so much as brush the sleeve of the First Lady, to his right. On
[CTRL] {T}raditional values don't matter
-Caveat Lector- "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 11/30/88 Ah, yes, J.D. Quayle, lamenting having been "...told that traditional values don't matter..." while seeking some National Guard status. I originally was going to post just the Wash (DC) Post article with its ominous references to and quotes from J. Danforth "Potatoe Man" Quayle. Then I reflected on his activities to avoid VietNam and went searching for some information -- basically digging through www.dogpile.com and found nothing -- nothing but sites that catalogued every attempt of his to be articulate and statesman-like (i.e., funnier than, well, ...). So, I finally found some National Guard information on MetaSearch that I put before the Post article on the '60s; and some remembrances of J.D.'s verbal expressions after. INTRO TO ARTICLE OF INTEREST From http://www.xmission.com/~mwalker/DQ/quayle/qq/nat-guard.html Dan Quayle on Getting Into the National Guard I do -- I do -- I do -- I do -- what any normal person would do at that age. You call home. You call home to mother and father and say, ``I'd like to get into the National Guard.'' -- Senator Dan Quayle, 8/19/88 (reported in Esquire, 8/92) There was no influence used. I didn't have to use any influence because before I applied, there were openings, when I applied, there were openings, and after I applied, there were openings. Those are the facts. And if you're interested in the facts, there they are. -- Senator Dan Quayle defending the way he got into the National Guard (from `The Unofficial Dan Quayle Video'). I did not know in 1969 that I would be in this room today, I'll confess. -- Senator Dan Quayle responding to questions in 1988 about allegations that he used family connections to get into the Indiana National Guard (reported in the Washington Post, 8/26/88). When you get into conflict, and regional conflicts, I mean, you have to have certain goals, and a goal cannot be really a no-win situation. -- Senator Dan Quayle attempting to explain his military service during the Vietnam war (reported in the Washington Post, 9/6/88). Obviously, if you join the National Guard, you have less of a chance of going to Vietnam. I mean it goes without saying. -- Senator Dan Quayle discussing his draft record on NBC's `Meet the Press', 9/20/92. (reported in the Houston Chronicle 9/21/92) I got into the Guard fairly. There were no rules broken, to my knowledge... I, like many, many other Americans, had particular problems about the way the war was being fought. But yes, I supported my president and I supported the goal of fighting communism in Vietnam. -- Vice President Dan Quayle (reported in High Times, 11/92) Brought to you by Michael Goldsman -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- copyright (c)1994 ~ ARTICLE OF INTEREST From Wash (DC) Post Tom Shales reviews "The '60s." Commentary: Baby boomers' power frightens Generation X. Boomers' Nostalgia Is a Bad Trip for Others Picture By Sharon Waxman and William Booth Washington Post Staff Writers Sunday, February 7, 1999; Page A1 Picture: Dan Quayle"We were told that traditional values don't matter to trash authority, to occupy buildings," says former vice president Dan Quayle. "We are paying a heavy social price for that attitude." (File) LOS ANGELES If there's something that seems terribly familiar about the sights and sounds of the new NBC miniseries "The '60s," debuting tonight during February sweeps, it may be because you've seen this before, and recently. A '60s retrospective? It seems as if the decade never went away. The touchstones of the counterculture from the Volkswagen Beetle to bell-bottoms have long been adopted by Madison Avenue. Mercedes-Benz has appropriated the peace symbol for its advertising campaign. The Jimi Hendrix hit "Purple Haze" can now be heard on Muzak. The newest bluejeans from the Gap? They're called "1969." And there is still a call for "Revolution" by Nike. Because plenty of former campus radicals grew up to become the studio chiefs, movie producers, CEOs, magazine editors and ad executives of today, the cultural predilections of the baby boom generation have become the reference points for the rest of the country. "They're in their prime, they're in power, and one of those places they're in power is in the media, so their self-obsessions tend to become everyone's self-obsessions," says cultural critic Todd Gitlin, the former president of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), the leading national New Left organization of the time. "The '60s have this aura of being not just about their own youth, but about the youth of the 21st century. About the collective youth." This is cause for consternation to those who see the decade as a destabilizing social upheaval whose destructive effects have yet to be fully
Re: [CTRL] Party punks
-Caveat Lector- -From: J FROST [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because we now have party mobs running the country Liberals think they can get stupid people to jump out of the frying pan into the fire. "Where is Libertaria?" It is a step toward the Liberterian party. A bunch of liberal, humanist, atheist, "witches", crystal power, homosexual, dope supporter ... political party want-a-be s Yes! Where can I sign up? flw DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS-Disposable victims
-Caveat Lector- J FROST wrote: I started the dope debate to collect all arguments. I had no idea that I would get so many. I have created a folder to put all the post so I could sort out the arguments pro and con. The above is the only part of your e-mail that sounds half way intelligent. After this you go down hill quick. Did you smoke some pot? Probably not. I have rarely run into a pot head who was less rational then you seem to be. If pot is a means to "get stupid" as you often referred to it as, you do not need it. You seem to be operating on a natural "high". Howard Davis A good observation. Perhaps massive doses of St. John's Wort will provide some relief to this highly agitated individual. flw DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Scottish Biohazard Researcher Dies Mysteriously
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/6/99 10:17:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What makes you say that? Cholera and dysentery are common in areas where human waste is used as fertilizer... Yes, but one rarely hears about cholera and/or dysentery in Japan, and they have used it for years. And there are places where they are never used and cholera and dysentery are very present. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News Sunday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990207a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with : are editorial comments to provoke discussion. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # TERRAFORMING MARS. A few billion years ago, Mars may not have been all that much different from Earth. But something went awry, leaving Earth to live and its sister planet to die. Now, as part of NASA's latest initiative to explore, explain and exploit space, scientists are beginning to discuss the tools and techniques for bringing Mars back to life. See: http://www.discovery.com/stories/unofficialspace/space.html : Will a terraformed Mars look like Los Angeles? Where will the ghettos go? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # ASTROBIOLOGY INSTITUTE TACKLES BASIC QUESTIONS OF LIFE. When the Surveyor 3 spacecraft landed on Luna it carried a creature from Earth - Streptococcus mitis. Apollo 12 astronauts brought back a piece of Surveyor, also bearing Strep. The bacteria had been freeze-dried in space, but were quickly revived once back on Earth. So bacteria, the earliest and most common form of life on Earth, were also the first life form to travel to the moon. Now, over 3 decades after Strep went lunar, NASA is establishing the Astrobiology Inst- itute, a joint effort of 11 laboratories to study life in a unique way. By pulling together researchers from biology, chemistry, genetics, geology, planetary science, astronomy and other scientific fields, the institute plans to apply "hard science" to such philosophical questions as: Where did we come from? Are we alone in the universe? Can we migrate to and transform other planets? http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news341.html : What's your favorite definition of life? [Mine: Anything that reproduces within its environment is alive. This includes bio- and cyber-virus, etc.] Having defined life, how can you manipulate it, and at what range, and why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # FOR AT LEAST HALF A CENTURY, THE US INTERCEPTED/DECRYPTED THE TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS OF MOST OF THE WORLD'S GOVERNMENTS ** It may be the greatest int- elligence scam of the century: For decades, the US routinely read the top secrets of 120 countries. These nations had bought the world's most sophis- ticated and supposedly secure commercial encryption technology from Crypto AG, a Swiss company that staked its reputation and the security concerns of its clients on its neutrality. www.caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html : If this is true, why isn't the whole world a client of the US? Or is it? Does this benefit corporations, int'l bankers, Reptilioids, Brit royalty? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Russian Scientists Create Revolutionary Low Observability Technologies. (ITAR-TASS) Researchers have developed new technologies allowing dramatic decrease in aircrafts' radar observability. The Russian approach to low observability (LO) technologies is completely different from US Stealth and offers complete furtiveness of the protected object at a significantly lower price. http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news332.html : If you ran Russia, what would you do with invisibility? Has the US already stolen this technology? Was it adapted from Roswell or similar objects? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Russians unfurl Giant Space Mirror, Fry 53 Albanians. While the rest of the world's news media swallowed the Russian Bear's "whopper" hook, line and sinker, the EGG Report dares to release the photo shown here of the after-math of the so-called "failed experiment" in solar heating. Shown here in shocking detail are the burned bodies of four of the 53 Albanian citizens who were instantly fried to death when the Mir crew unfurled the 87 foot wide "space mirror" and targeted the sleeping village of Novibokstanja, Albania. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8699/egg2799.html : Who do you want to fry with a space mirror? Isn't it 'broil', not 'fry'? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # U.S.-Russian Team May Have Created Ultra-Heavy Element. Collaborating US and Russian nuclear physicists may have created a new ultra-heavy element that may open the door to a host of new elements once considered impossible. If confirmed, the achievement would mark the realization of efforts over a half century to reach a major goal of nuclear physics: to create an element far heavier than any in nature that would survive for long enough to permit scientific study. http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news334.html : What would you do with an ultra-heavy element? Will it unbalance reality? Will it lead to antigravity, telepathy, immortality, free power, halitosis? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ News Shorts: KING HUSSEIN IS DEAD http://cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9902/07/king.hussein.obit/ # Amateur thinks he has traced Moses' steps: http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news344.html # BIOLOGICAL WARFARE...OR JUST A TEST... http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news338.html # New discovery challenges dinosaur theories: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/99/01/st012707.html # Reptilian
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/7/99 12:30:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nay, O' Celestial Bunghole of one thousand cybernightmares. I have your whole made-in-america scam figured out so you can just FUCK OFF for all I care! FWP. Thanks for the well reasoned debate. Your comments are always so enlightening. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: MSNBC's New Lineup: Same Old R
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A neighbor of mine had an interesting insight based on the fact (?) that men think of sex every few seconds. That every time Monica Lewinsky's name is mentioned, they get a envious flash of Clinton getting oral sex and the envy and excitement of that just keeps this circus going--all that envy and outrage. I think it's more that there's more of the 'boys will be boys' type envy, not rage but a reason to keep excusing Clinton's behavior...that most men wish THEY could have an intern catering to their needs like Clinton had Lewinsky cater to his... Which is why they continued to ignore, or belittle, the sexual harassment aspects of it... And continue to focus on the sex, and not the perjury and obstruction of justice... Since we don't function like that, a lot of us gals think this is totally nutsbut maybe this explains it. I think it's nuts how people can continue to excuse Clinton's behavior and actions... Actually, one of the things that has impressed me is that Clinton has never said a rude word about either Paula or Monica-- No, he let's his trained mouthpieces like Carville and Blumenthal do it for him... She is NOT complaining about sexual harassment. Which does NOT mean that the incident does NOT fall under the pervue of sexual harassment...what about all the other interns who DIDN'T get special job consideration, promotions to higher posts for which they weren't qualified, because they DIDN'T give Clinton head? Just a layer of the onion. I know that this is NOT what it's all about. I still think it's a about a coup d'etat--by the smallest, meanest minds in America. Since Gore would end up as President if Clinton is removed, I fail to see how a "coup d'etat" would be the result... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS bible.B
-Caveat Lector- #1 You support the "freedoms" of drunks, dope users and all the above to endanger and sacrifice a % of innocent victims or #2 You do not support the freedoms of people to endanger and sacrifice any victims? #3 or .. you are a two face hypocrite who denies others the same freedoms you wish to grant drunks and dope users? Which is it Jethro? /// Your arguments are specious and you jump to ridiculous conclusions. My opinion of course. The connections you make in your e-mails are not valid. It boils down to freedom, as you say, but freedom to do as one pleases as long as it does not hurt someone else or damage property that does not belong to you. \\\ * Note how this one WILL NOT RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS. * Next he says it is his opinion but he does not give HIS opinion of any other possibilities then the 3 listed (THERE ARE NONE !) * The connections I make are not valid, but he has no reason why they are not valid. His original arguments were it is the "freedom" of people to endanger others and sacrifice a % of others so they can get their cookies off. Every one of my examples fit HIS arguments. * Next he says people should have their freedoms as long as it does not harm others, BUT THE FACT IS dopers/drunks... when in a stupor DO Cause us to pay higher taxes, cause us to pay higher insurance, injure and kill innocent people ! == Another began to quote bible to make his argument and when I countered with bible that exposed his "bible" arguments, he says: For some people, religion is a teacher of morals. Morals help shape good character. How can you be a good judge of character if you don't examine the foundation of a person's morals and ethics? /// It was you who quoted bible verses as some kind of CHRISTIAN proof to protect dope users. You wish to pretend like the bible is some truth UNTIL that same bible trashes your arguments ... and then that TRUTH is only some moral teaching? In my years I have identified atheist, homosexuals, humanist, pagans ... God haters of all kinds. BUT when it fits their purpose, how they quote bible scriptures to prove some truth ! There is another nice little "moral" teaching from the bible... By their fruits, you will know them (evil beings) If the bible be true or nay, the hypocrisy of the bible haters expose them for what they are. === In the last couple of days the only arguments I have seen have been "whats-a-matter-wit-you". In debate, I have found the golden proofs/arguments are those one's adversary will not respond to. When they begin to dance around the arguments and change the issues to whats-a-matter-wit-you, they are grasping for straws. Who's delusions of the truth is right? Like any good investigation the process of elimination works very well. Look for those who keep on changing their story. Look for those who must have double standards. Look for those who change the questions to an attack on others. Look for those who will not reply to the questions posed. Now I need only arrange your arguments in the categories they belong in and present them before the jury. Thank you Mr pervert, Mr bleeding heart liberal, Miss wiccan, Mr atheist ... you have provided all the pieces of the puzzle and each juror will be able to arrive at their own verdict. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/6/99 10:23:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Pie (as in Cow Pie): No you don't have to be bothered by someone with at least half a brain. Just unsub me. It is the "AOL WAY". And be good little sheep and believe that "lists" like this are exercises in free speech. I would rather believe in the tooth fairy. You can believe in Barney Frank as you do now. FWP. FWP , You have got your wish. Bye-bye. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 2/7/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Impeached POTUS Blumenthal Busted by Fellow Journalist Described Monica as a "stalker," then denied it under oath A veteran British journalist and social friend of senior Clinton aide Sidney Blumenthal has challenged Blumenthal's testimony that he had no knowledge of any White House effort to paint Monica S. Lewinsky as a "stalker." In an affidavit signed Friday, Christopher Hitchens, who writes for Vanity Fair and the Nation, said Blumenthal, at a lunch last March 19, "used the word 'stalker' several times" in talking about Lewinsky. At the lunch, also attended by Hitchens's wife, Carol Blue, Hitchens said Blumenthal said Lewinsky "had been a 'stalker' and that the President was 'the victim' of a predatory and unstable sexually demanding young woman," according to the one-page affidavit. "Mr. Blumenthal advised us that this version of the facts was not generally understood" about President Clinton's relationship with Lewinsky. Blumenthal had testified to the Senate that Clinton had mentioned the word "stalker" in a conversation and felt himself a victim of Lewinsky's advances. A central allegation against Clinton in his impeachment trial is that he had Blumenthal and others smear Lewinsky to undermine her credibility. News media accounts disparaging Lewinsky sometimes cited White House sources. Blumenthal was asked in his Senate testimony whether he had "any idea how White House sources are associated with statements such as . . . 'She's known as the Stalker.' Do you have any idea how that got in the press?" Blumenthal responded, "I have no idea how anything came to be attributed to a White House source." Yesterday, Blumenthal said in a statement: "My testimony to the Senate was truthful. If someone is saying it's not, they are mistaken." In the affidavit, Hitchens said he and Blumenthal "are social friends and journalistic acquaintances" and that "I have knowledge that Mr. Blumenthal recounted to other people in the journalistic community the same story about Monica Lewinsky that he told me and Carol Blue." One journalist who refused to be identified by name said last night that he recalled in late spring hearing Blumenthal talk about Lewinsky being troubled and Clinton having rebuffed her advances. But that journalist said he had read much the same information months earlier. Negative news accounts referring to Lewinsky's alleged obsession with Clinton and with sex began appearing in the media several weeks before Hitchens's lunch with Blumenthal. For example, a Jan. 29 article in The Washington Post cited as sources Lewinsky's own friends and co-workers and a former teacher from Portland, Ore., who had a five-year affair with her. Sources said House investigators, acting on a tip, called Hitchens to ask about Blumenthal's statements and that Hitchens submitted the affidavit. Even without the Hitchens's affidavit, some Republican senators said yesterday they believed Blumenthal was not telling the truth: "The great irony of this is that he may be the other person who lied under oath and he may have to do the time," said Sen. Larry E. Craig (R-Idaho). The Washington Post, Feb. 7, 1999 Journalist Christopher Hitchens is claiming in a sworn affidavit that Blumenthal described Monica Lewinsky as "a predatory and unstable sexually demanding young woman" who stalked the president. According to three sources, the Senate is in receipt of the affidavit, a copy of which was obtained by Fox News Channel. Hitchens said under oath that on March 19, 1998, he had lunch with Sydney Blumenthal and another reporter at the Occidental restaurant in Washington, D.C. At the meeting, the affidavit says, Blumenthal referred repeatedly to Monica Lewinsky as a "stalker." Sources say the affidavit makes it clear Blumenthal felt any journalist should consider the Lewinsky scandal in that context. This contradicts Blumenthal's Senate deposition Wednesday in which he said he never passed on to reporters the president's comments to him, in which he referred to Lewinsky as a stalker. "I have no idea how anything came to be attributed to a White House source," he said in his deposition. "I never mentioned my conversation. I regarded that conversation as a private conversation in confidence, and I didn't mention it to my colleagues, I didn't mention it to my friends, I didn't mention it to my family, besides my wife." Hitchens' affidavit also quotes Blumenthal implying a plan to smear Kathleen Willey, the former White House volunteer who claimed Clinton had groped her. The affidavit says Blumenthal said Willey was highly rated in public opinion polls, but said that would change when things began to come out about her. The British-born Hitchens, a longtime Beltway reporter, has been a contributor to left-leaning
[CTRL] Deflation?
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.6/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.6/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 6/A The Laissez Faire City Times February 08, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 6 Editor Chief: Emile Zola - Deflation? by Don L. Tiggre Some months ago, a friend of mine who is a permanent tourist cautioned me about impending deflation. I was skeptical, as the United States hasnt seen serious deflation since the last century (except for the early 1930s), but he made some good points, and I tried to keep an open mind about it. And now that Ive been helping out at the local newspa per, certain items among the countless bits of information that flow across my desk have stood out and the pattern they suggest is as clear as it is startling: a giant economic deflationary "adjustment" may well be on its way. The argument made by the tourist was that while the Fed and monetary policymaking agencies around the world are still trying to control inflation, economic forces are shifting around to create deflationary pressures. This makes for a real possibility for turmoil when the central planners are caught by surprise. Governments in Latin America, Asia and Japan are not reacting to their on-going financial difficulties with the necessary tough measures, such as closing factories and shutting down mines that are not profitable. The massive unemployment that would result would topple governments in many instances, so the factories are kept open, and the TVs and barrels of oil continue to pile up on the docks faster than markets can be found for them. The glut in production will drive commodities prices down so hard and fast, the argument goes, that even unbridled cranking of the printing presses will not be able to keep up. This argument was not easy to swallow whole. It seemed hard to believe that the production of other commodities could overpower the production of fiat currency. However, one part of the argument for an impending and abrupt economic adjustment seemed quite solid: the focus central bankers are still placing on "controlling" inflation. Not only that, but in the worlds leading economies governments cannot easily resort to the printing press: they manipulate money supplies by fiddling with interest rates to expand or contract credit. This approach has its limits, as an interest rate can only go so low. In Japan, for example, the prime rate has dropped to almost zero. Evidence concerning deflationary pressures in the U.S. economy is what has me really wondering if catastrophic deflation could actually come to G7 countries. For example, U.S. senators from states with a heavy reliance on agriculture are working on a package of agricultural bills they say will ease the increased financial burden farmers and ranchers have faced the past few yearsi.e. help them deal with falling prices. Agricultural statistics for the year end of 1998 show widespread and major drops in prices received for crops and livestock in the U.S., with consequent increases in livestock inventory. The Evidence from US Agriculture According to Wyomings Senator Michael Enzi, the prices farmers and ranchers receive for their commodities are at 20 and 30 year lows. Enzi is cosponsoring a number of agricultural measures he says will help people who work the land. One such measure would allow state inspected meat to be sold across state lines when the state requirements meet or exceed federal standards. The bill is supposed to increase inspection efficiency and add marketing possibilities. "We already allow Canadian and Mexican meat products to be sold in our nation, based on a promise that those nations standards are the same as ours," said Enzi. "I find it hard to believe our federal government trusts foreign inspectors and not state inspectors. Ending this practice would cut some red tape and free up domestic markets." Enzi hopes to introduce a bill in the Senate in the next couple of weeks, after finalizing details with House Agriculture Committee Chairman Larry Combest of Texas. Dan Glickman, the Secretary of Agriculture is also expected to issue a report by Mar. 31 on the effects of the federal inspection on interstate distribution of state-inspected meat. Of course, if Enzi and other republicans were as interested in cutting red tape as they pretend to be, theyd just scrap the entire government inspection process and let the market take care of quality assurance. But still, as tiny as this easing of some regulations is, the fact that any loosening of regulations is being proposed at all is a sign of the deep economic trouble ranchers are in because of the deflated value of their products. Another concern the agricultural community has raised is the consolidation in all areas of agribusiness. Senate Agriculture Committee Chairman Richard Lugar held a hearing the week of January 25 focusing on the issue. During the hearing Keith Collins, Chief Economist of the U.S.
[CTRL] Canada in a Skinner Box
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.6/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.6/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 6/A The Laissez Faire City Times February 08, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 6 Editor Chief: Emile Zola - Canada in a Skinner Box by Peter Topolewski In his still-radical 1971 book, Beyond Freedom Dignity, behaviorist champion B.F. Skinner wrote about control, specifically how to control behavior, and who should control it in order to ensure that mankind not only survives but thrives. He called autonomous man, the inner man and his will, a fiction created to explain the unexplainable. He was speaking both psychologically and politically, and so his theories are anathema to our tradition of mans innate freedom and dignity. Skinner declared autonomous man dead, bruising our pride and leaving us, despite the vehemence of our libertarian mantras, to wonder if our declaration of freedom has more smoke than substance. Under Skinners light the history of mans achievements looks frighteningly unfamiliar, particularly when we admit that no where do humans live as free individuals, only as controlled ones. "Control" of itself is not bad. It is a fact of life and, as Skinner puts it, is "ethically neutral". Questions of right and wrong pertain only to how its used, and to what ends. On political control he wrote: "A party in power may act primarily to keep its power, or to reinforce those it governs (who in return keep it in power), or to promote the state by instituting a program of austerity which may cost the party both power and support." In Canada these days there is no way to know whether the ruling party is acting for its own survival or that of the country. On the east coast of Canada is an island called Cape Breton. In the 19th and early 20th century the coal in its soil was like the seed that grew the nation. Cape Breton coal fed the construction of the railroad that tied one coast to another, powered Canadas industrialization, and turned the engines that helped win World War One. The men who mined the coal never grew rich, but they grew tough and dedicated and proud, kin to the miners in Americas coal states. By World War Two, however, the world worked on oil, and the way of life in Cape Breton was being threatened. By the 1960s there was no money to be made in Cape Breton coal mining. Controlling Coal Mining The Canadian government thought otherwise. Specifically, the federal government thought that it could make mining in Cape Breton profitable. In 1967 it created Devco, a government-owned mining company. Last week the federal government announced that Devco is closing, and this time for good. The "for good" is an important addition to the governments statement because closure has been threatened many times in the past"for good" reason. The Devco 30 year track record is a dismal one: thousands employed, years of restructuring, billions invested, and not one year of profit to show for it. This massive socialist experiment was of course not only a poor investment for Canadian taxpayers, it was an unjust one. What began as a governments attempt to bolster Cape Bretons mines turned into a huge redistribution of wealth. Devco spent billions dressing up a dead industry. Three generations of miners worked in what might as well have been fantasy land, making false contributions, mining for minings sake. Of course, with the governments benevolence, the mining way of life continued on Cape Breton; that was really the point all along. In preserving their way of life, the miners were themselves not above arrogance. By some unfathomable route perhaps too immersed in an industry without foundation they came to actually see the largesse as something Canada "owed" them. Government attempts to streamline Devco were railed against. At times union contract negotiations turned to violence. This past month, in the face of what the government calls "assured closure," some miners appeared ready to restructure, but many were still holding out hope that "it aint over". Hope is all that most have. The governments kindhearted foray into mining entered into despite the history of socialist failure has created a culture and countryside of miners. Seventeen hundred miners and their families who grew up in the mining lifeand who know nothing elselast week had that life dismantled. It is easy for the government to say: Its time for Cape Bretons economy to readjust and retrain. It is an altogether more painful thing to do. There is no way to know if the federal government ever believed Devco could show a profit. In the end the only people truly helped by Devco were the members of parliament elected to keep the checks coming. Preserving a dying industry under false pretenses bought miners time, but being more reliant on mining than ever has made the inevitable transition hurt that much more. To the rest of Canada, Devco is another of the
[CTRL] Skeptic News Sunday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990207b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, meaning or accuracy. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Scientists Say Life Possible on Pluto's Moon Charon. (MSNBC) Although it seems unlikely, Charon (generally pronounced like the name Karen) just might be capable of harboring life, said Douglas Lin, an astrophysicist at the Lick Observatory. The possibility was raised by data from the Hubble Space Telescope. http://www.msnbc.com/news/233408.asp @ Links: IAU - Pluto: http://www.ss.astro.umd.edu/IAU/div3/pluto.shtml @ Pluto-Kuiper Express: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ice_fire/pkexprss.htm @ Pluto, the Ninth Planet: http://www.lowell.edu/users/buie/pluto/pluto.html @ The Nine Planets: http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/ @ Views of the Solar System: http://spaceart.com/solar @ Planetary Photojournal: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/ @ Your Weight on Other Planets: http://www.it.hq.nasa.gov/~amato/Work/Java/Amato/Weights/Weight.html @ Tour the Solar System: http://www.msnbc.com/onair/msnbc/TimeAndAgain/archive/solar/default.asp : Will you join in the glorious colonization of Charon? Under what duress? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Get Your Y2K Gear! Hurry! (ABC) Come take a walk with us through a Year 2000 preparedness trade show. Marvel at the solar generators, pedal-powered grain mills and bulk food storage systems. Listen to vastly different Y2K scenarios. Are you prepared? Pay your money and take your chances - see http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/y2kexpo990205.html # And: Russia Y2K Program Behind Schedule http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/russiay2k990129.html # Developing Countries Face Y2K Crisis http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/worldbank990126.html # Businesses Trail Feds on Y2K Planning http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/y2k990121.html # MILLENNIUM BUGGED - Countdown to Y2K: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/y2k/y2k_intro.html # Feds Plan Y2K Spin Control http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/17527.html # Bankers: Prepared for a Panic? http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/16618.html # TV SHOW 'IRRESPONSIBLE' SAYS ACTION 2000 http://www.excite.co.uk/news/news_story/technology/tech7.txt : How much have you spent on Y2K preparedness? How much more will you spend? Are you ready for a panic? Have you panicked already? Are you over it yet? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # El Niño Secrets in Old Egypt: Early Nile Records Valuable to Scientists. WASHINGTON (AP) Scientists trying to unravel the mysteries of El Niño are studying floods on the Nile, using data collected by instruments from the days of the pharaohs. The annual Nile floods were vital to Egyptian agri- culture, so ancient pharaohs introduced the nilometer, a device to measure the height of the river flood. Now MIT researchers are finding those records useful in estimating the frequency of the El Niño climate phenomenon in the past. They have discovered a period, just over 1,000 years ago, that had relatively frequent El Niños, similar to the pattern of the past 20 years. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/elnino_egypt990205.html @ Links: Egypt Country Profile: http://www.abcnews.go.com/reference/countries/EG.html # El Nino Remains a Mystery: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/elnino990107.html : Is the dead past ever really dead? Is not every moment, every action, the result of the sum-over-time of every event that precedes it? Do you care? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ News Shorts: Contrails # Contrails: Poison from the Sky http://www.islandnet.com/~wilco/investsky.htm # A Skeptic's View of Contrail Mystery http://www.sightings.com/ufo2/contrainsskeptic.htm # Radar Expert Speaks Out on Anomalous Weather Radar Images http://www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/nexrad/Radarexp.htm # Contrails Mystify, Sicken Americans http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-08-05.html # Mystery Contrails May Be Modifying Weather http://www.ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-12-01.html # Mystery Contrails: Secret Military Operation? http://www.sightings.com/political/contrails2.htm # Jet Contrails May be Sickening People Across the US http://www.sightings.com/health/contrails.htm : Have you been sickened by contrails yet? Has anyone you know? Who? How? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ HotLinks: @ CyberView Information Center: http://www.cyberview900.com/ - Air Disasters: http://www.cyberview900.com/air_disasters.htm - Natural Disasters: http://www.cyberview900.com/natural_disasters.htm - Predictions: http://www.cyberview900.com/predictions.htm @ The key insider secret is the overunity water-fueled black helicopter: - http://www.tinaja.com/glib/resbn86.pdf - http://www.tinaja.com/resbn01.html - http://www.tinaja.com/barg01.html - http://www.tinaja.com/info01.html @ The Alien Church:
[CTRL] The Occult Origins of the Bank of England
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.6/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.6/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 6/A The Laissez Faire City Times February 08, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 6 Editor Chief: Emile Zola - The Occult Origins of the Bank of England by The Magician Much of the history of the last several hundred years can be interpreted as the competition for power between the British Monarchy, or "Perfidious Albion," and its allies, on one hand; and the Vatican and its allies, on the other. Of course, like any overriding theory, this one should not be pushed to an extreme, and it doesnt explain everything. But it explains a great deal. A key role in the course events initally took was played by John Dee, the Neoplatonic Christian Cabalist and Scientific Advisor to Queen Elisabeth. He introduced the idea that the inhabitants of Britain were descendants of the lost tribes of Israel. It was all part of the British propaganda barrage directed against the Vatican and the European Counter Reformation in the Sixteenth Century. Henry VIII Wants an Heir Lets start with Henry VIII. The king of England had not been able to conceive a male heir with with his wife Catherine. So he wanted a divorce, which he doubted the Pope would allow. Henry VIII sent his secret agent Richard Croke to Venice in 1529 to consult with the Christian Cabalist theologian Georgi, as well as Jewish Rabbis, on the right way to biblically justify divorce and remarriage to the Pope. There was a conflict between Leviticus and Deuteronomy whether a man could marry his brother's widow, the grounds on which Henry VIII was questioning the legality of his own marriage to Catherine. This represented the beginnings of an alliance between the British Monarchy and various Jewish groups. The divorce arguments, however, went nowhere. No compromise was ever reached with the Pope. (The British historian, Dame Francis Yates, tells the story in her book, The Occult Philosophy in the Elizabethan Age.) So Henry VIII finally solved his dilemma by wresting the Church of England out from under the Pope, and proclaimed himself Head of the Church. Henry was now supreme leader, both politically and spiritually, and did what he wanted with respect to divorce and remarriage. (As for the heir, we now know that the underlying infertility was Henry VIIIs own. But from such trivialities do the major events of world history proceed.) The Vatican was staggered. And it was furious. Not only had the head of a leading nation defied the Popes authority in spiritual matters, but this same king had set himself up as a rival Pope, so to speak. King Henry VIII was an Anti-Pope. Or thats how the Vatican saw it. The Vatican and the Monarchy were now at war. The war of spiritual ideas and spiritual concepts quickly became part and parcel of the geopolitical war with the chief Catholic power, Spain. Henry VIIIs seizure of the Church of England had to be justified to English-speaking people in a spiritual sense. And so it was. The British had a spiritual destiny, it was declared. Information Warfare and John Dee John Dee, the son of one of Henry VIII's court officials, grew up surrounded by this controversy and the mystical currents concerning the notion of British Empire. The latter involved a spiritual as well as a geopolitical aspect: the British were to inherit the earth, and in the process foster the spread of True Christianity. That is, not Catholicism. According to Geoffrey of Monmouth, the kings of Britain were descended from Brut, of Trojan origin. King Arthur, one of Brut's descendants, was considered the chief exemplar of sacred British Imperial Christianity. John Dee identified with this Arthurian notion of Empire, as he believed himself to be descended from the ancient kings of Britain, and was thus himself a distant cousin of the Tudor Queen Elisabeth I. The Tudor monarchy of Dee's time was glorified as the culmination of the Arthurian tradition, because Henry VIII's break with the Vatican had eliminated the Pope and made the British Monarch supreme in both church and state. Another line of thought led to the doctrine of British-Israelism, which held that the British were the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel. The doctrine of British-Israelism and the Lost Ten Tribes was intended to forge a political alliance between the British monarchy and the Jews of Amsterdam, through a merger of the Arthurian Imperial tradition with Cabalistic interpretations of the Hebrew scriptures. What had happened was that after the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in 1492, some of them went East to the Ottoman Empirethe Islamic world being at the time more religiously tolerant than Christendom. Within Europe itself many of the Jews moved to Italy, particularly Venice, while other Jews and marranos migrated from Spain and Portugal to Amsterdam. The Jewish merchants and bankers of Amsterdam were seen by the
[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Bank officials, UK government fear Y2K reports will spark panic
My articles on Y2K panic: http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/17527.html http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/16618.html ** http://www.msnbc.com/local/KNBC/88965.asp LOS ANGELES, Feb. 4 GTE, the Southland's No. 2 telephone company, stirred Y2K hysteria when it warned 1.5 million customers to withdraw "a few weeks worth of extra cash" in case the Y2K bug bites. http://www.y2ktoday.com/modules/home/default.asp?id=804 ORANGE, Calif. (AP) _ California bank officials are not happy about a telephone company's newsletter that advised its 1.5 million customers to withdraw extra cash before the dawn of the new millennium. ** From: "Alan Docherty" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Declan McCullagh" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: British Y2K news Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:09:37 - http://www.excite.co.uk/news/news_story/technology/tech7.txt TV SHOW 'IRRESPONSIBLE' SAYS ACTION 2000 last updated 06/02/99 14:02 Thousands of people called the Government's "millennium bug" hotline after seeing an item on daytime TV that mentioned "scenes of panic" and "centuries without water or light" as possible results of the millennium computer problem. The feature, broadcast during the This Morning with Richard and Judy show, was dubbed "irresponsible and dangerous" by Action 2000, the Government's official campaign body and organiser of the telephone hotline. [...] Gwynneth Flower, director of Action 2000, said the piece was "the most irresponsible and dangerous" journalism she had yet seen about the millennium bug. "The only reason that people might panic is if the likes of Richard and Judy scare them into it. We were worried about the bug biting early, but it has clearly bitten them in the head," she said. [...] -- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ --
[CTRL] Court Room Funnies - These are Great!
-Caveat Lector- From: "C. L Finkle" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disorder in the Court: a Collection of 'Transquips' Collected by Richard Lederer, reprinted in N.H. Business Review Most language is spoken language, and most words, once they are uttered, vanish forever into the air. But such is not the case with language spoken during courtroom trials, for there exists an army of courtroom reporters whose job it is to take down and preserve every statement made during the proceedings. Mary Louise Gilman, the venerable editor of the National Shorthand Reporter has collected many of the more hilarious courtroom bloopers in two books - Humor in the Court (1977) and More Humor in the Court, published a few months ago. From Mrs. Gilman's two volumes, here are some of my favorite transquips, all recorded by America's keepers of the word: Q. What is your brother-in-law's name? A. Borofkin. Q. What's his first name? A. I can't remember. Q. He's been your brother-in-law for years, and you can't remember his first name? A. No. I tell you I'm too excited. (Rising from the witness chair and pointing to Mr. Borofkin.) Nathan, for God's sake, tell them your first name! Q. Did you ever stay all night with this man in New York? A. I refuse to answer that question. Q. Did you ever stay all night with this man in Chicago? A. I refuse to answer that question. Q. Did you ever stay all night with this man in Miami? A. No. Q. Now, Mrs. Johnson, how was your first marriage terminated? A. By death. Q. And by whose death was it terminated? Q. Doctor, did you say he was shot in the woods? A. No, I said he was shot in the lumbar region. Q. What is your name? A. Ernestine McDowell. Q. And what is your marital status? A. Fair. Q. Are you married? A. No, I'm divorced. Q. And what did your husband do before you divorced him? A. A lot of things I didn't know about. Q. And who is this person you are speaking of? A. My ex-widow said it. Q. How did you happen to go to Dr. Cherney? A. Well, a gal down the road had had several of her children by Dr. Cherney, and said he was really good. Q. Do you know how far pregnant you are right now? A. I will be three months November 8th. Q. Apparently then, the date of conception was August 8th? A. Yes. Q. What were you and your husband doing at that time? Q. Mrs. Smith, do you believe that you are emotionally unstable? A. I should be. Q. How many times have you committed suicide? A. Four times. Q. Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people? A. All my autopsies have been performed on dead people. Q. Were you acquainted with the defendant? A. Yes, sir. Q. Before or after he died? Q. Officer, what led you to believe the defendant was under the influence? A. Because he was argumentary and he couldn't pronunciate his words. Q. What happened then? A. He told me, he says, "I have to kill you because you can identify me." Q. Did he kill you? A. No. Q. Mrs. Jones, is your appearance this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney? A. No. This is how I dress when I go to work. THE COURT: Now, as we begin, I must ask you to banish all present information and prejudice from your minds, if you have any. Q. Did he pick the dog up by the ears? A. No. Q. What was he doing with the dog's ears? A. Picking them up in the air. Q. Where was the dog at this time? A. Attached to the ears. Q. When he went, had you gone and had she, if she wanted to and were able, for the time being excluding all the restraints on her not to go, gone also, would he have brought you, meaning you and she, with him to the station? MR. BROOKS: Objection. That question should be taken out and shot. Before we recess, let's listen to one last exchange involving
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- No it isn't. It isn't anything at all like rape. Are you speaking from personal experience here, or just passing along hearsay? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Franklin, I have been removed from 2 lists because my views were considered "disruptive". This word disruptive is a catch-all term that can mean whatever a list owner wants it to mean. I think you are quite right in your appraisal of the danger here. Eric Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: -Caveat Lector- Just wondering. Is AOL's reputation for discontinuing ISP service to free speakers borne up by facts? If so, is this list part of an AOL conspiracy to further tighten the noose, ISP-wise, on holocaust deniers and others expressing opinions which are taboo in Fascist America? FWP. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:34:43 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BCPolitics] Internet Suppression. From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear UniversalAccess-Canada List: Do you think that with a US invasion of Yugoslavia looming we could be seeing the prospect of a major suppression of free speech on the internet? How could it be done? I would say it would be a "psyop" in which dissidents would be provoked repeatedly by "plants" on the lists (moderators and/or subscribers) into flame wars leading to violations of "netiquette", real or made up and then complaints to ISP's. It is at the ISP level that those "guilty" of "bad netiquette" would be shut down and even black listed as they try to get service from another ISP. I can't prove this theory yet but I have been getting a lot of recent reports which fit this paradigm. FWP. *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send "Subscribe Future-Cities" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]; http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex *** To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Is it not possible to ignore the so-called "disrupters"? The question is obvious rhetorical. Of course they can be ignored. If they are ignored, they will eventually go away. This is the better solution. Eric Teo One Thousand wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/6/99 5:46:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just wondering. Is AOL's reputation for discontinuing ISP service to free speakers borne up by facts? If so, is this list part of an AOL conspiracy to further tighten the noose, ISP-wise, on holocaust deniers and others expressing opinions which are taboo in Fascist America? FWP. I can't speak for AOL but as for this list the reason that it does not allow discussion of holocaust denial is very simple, we had a bad experience with a bunch of disrupters who were trying to turn the list into an Aryan nations rag and Jew hater list. They dominated the forum and in an effort, after much careful consideration and many miles of rope were given to them, to take back control they were ejected from the list and the disclaimer was added. Many who were on board then will tell you the same thing. I am refuting your allegation, as to this list but as I said I have nothing to say in defense of AOL. Holocaust denial and nazi propagandizers are not permitted and posts of that nature are disallowed on this list. Proselytizing is forbidden because many posts that dealt with religious conspiracy had many people quoting the Bible at length and telling people on this forum that their souls were going to burn in hell and that they better shape up. Invariably when these people were confronted with contradictory information regarding their beliefs they just resorted to "God said" and declared themselves the winner and everyone else doomed. THUS proselytizing (and not just in religious areas either) is not permitted BECAUSE their is no way to get "true believers" to recant their position and agree that they are wrong since these things involve personal belief and faith, which are both unassailable to rational argument. Things would degrade to personal attack and diatribes which have no place here. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [EWAR] ORBIT: Contrails and patent search
ORBIT: Contrails and patent search CyberSpace ORBIT http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/orbit.html Kent Steadman, Editor We did a patent seach: US5286979: Process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation using dispersed melanin US4999637: Creation of artificial ionization clouds above the earth US3608810: METHODS OF TREATING ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS Additional related patents (materials: seeding, etc) Again, deeply involved: Eastlund; Bernard J. (HAARP-design-connected it appears) The above patents are subsidiary to: US4686605: Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere EASTLUND http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?pn10=US04686605 Recent email hint: "As to why the government is doing this, check out the x-ray flux of the sun over the last few years. The clouds are being created to keep people from cooking on the ground." Links and additional data: http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/orbit.html
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- I can empathize with this statement! Still as far as CTRL is concerned, we are not a debate list.. Overall, we throw out ideas and news and wait to see if someone else is capable of finding or if they know something that disproves it. To give you an idea - recently a box of Beetles photos were found in an attic. This lead to the playing of John Lennin's song about everyone being the same (I forget the tile). To me the 1960's were a time when people were fighting big business to evolve to the next era. Live and Let Live, Viva La Difference! Think of John Denver (born of a Air Force Test Pilot - what security clearance did his dad have), Coustou, Isaac Asimov, Jaclyn Kennedy. These people are gone. What would they have been able to add to this list? What did they know that they would have been told "Now is not the time." That Kennedy's death was to keep us from looking at what was really happening? Where are the tax credits for solar energy (are they still there?) are there as many companies that are capable of researching solar energy? They are going to air a special on Kennedy tonight, how are they attempting to write history for the current generation? What was the real battle at that time? Does anyone hear anything about MSG nowadays. Not to long ago it was a major thing to keep it out of the food chain since it can excite brain cells to death. I apologize for those that think of Kennedy as a shining part of the past - but his death was just to side track people from the real issues. He was nothing more than the current president during a time that this country was attempting to go forward. Going forward in that was would have meant that they big corporations would not have had their monopolies. So what do we have now? The World Bank. Others that are (currently) still alive: Were they just singing the songs that would sell, or could it be that they saw enough of what was happening that if asked (from this mind set) that they might be able to tell you what kind of propaganda has been Fosted on us? Michael Martin Murphy "Osmosis", Michael McDonald-Kenny Loggins, Dolly Parton, Queen, The Beach Boys. Add Ross Perot and ex-TX-speaker of the house White -- from their angle, what would they see in this post - in this list? Last question - why would people want to shut us list(s) like this? When they come on list, will we bow to them? Will we recognize them or will we think that we are not good enough, out of step with the times, that their criticisms are justified? Will this list be efficient like the Nazis or effective like the Founding Fathers? I would rather be effective than efficient, I abore efficiency, because it does not usually only allows limited growth in one area. It makes the company reorganize often, as soon as the company gets to be a certain size it realizes that it needs more ideas and has to go outside the company to get them since they have kicked out all those inefficient people that they could not completely utilize at that time. Please excuse the number of threads in one post. aka The Pied Piper http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm a cut and paste research site on ADD / ADHD / Chemicals and how these things effect education. Eric Roberts wrote: -Caveat Lector- Franklin, I have been removed from 2 lists because my views were considered "disruptive". This word disruptive is a catch-all term that can mean whatever a list owner wants it to mean. I think you are quite right in your appraisal of the danger here. Eric Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: -Caveat Lector- Just wondering. Is AOL's reputation for discontinuing ISP service to free speakers borne up by facts? If so, is this list part of an AOL conspiracy to further tighten the noose, ISP-wise, on holocaust deniers and others expressing opinions which are taboo in Fascist America? FWP. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:34:43 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BCPolitics] Internet Suppression. From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear UniversalAccess-Canada List: Do you think that with a US invasion of Yugoslavia looming we could be seeing the prospect of a major suppression of free speech on the internet? How could it be done? I would say it would be a "psyop" in which dissidents would be provoked repeatedly by "plants" on the lists (moderators and/or subscribers) into flame wars leading to violations of "netiquette", real or made up and then complaints to ISP's. It is at the ISP level that those "guilty" of "bad netiquette" would be shut down and even black listed as they try to get service from another ISP. I can't prove this theory yet but I have been getting a lot of recent reports which fit this paradigm. FWP. *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send "Subscribe
Re: [CTRL] Scottish Biohazard Researcher Dies Mysteriously
-Caveat Lector- Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't cholera and dysentery micro-organisms? If that is true then there MUST be other places that these microbes can be found because the human body does not manufacture organisms. If our bodies are hosts and these microbes are passed on through feces then that would explain much. Are these two diseases the result of specific microbes? Vibrio Cholera spp is a flagellated microbe, whereas Dysentery can be caused by amoeba [cf. amoebic dysentry] However, there is an EPIDEMIC of Coliform Gastro Enteritis in Fife, from which the young and the old and curious researchers are dying. E.Coli IS an indication of Faecal Contamination in the water supply. Exotic organisms can persist in soil if the physical conditions are right eg. PH, Temperature variation, conditions of nutrition and reproduction etc. E.Coli hangs in there. Andrew Hennessey Transformation Studies Group Edinburgh Scotland DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FASCIST POLECATS
-Caveat Lector- Apparently CANADIAN AGENT POLECAT doesn't apprehend the fact that FASCISTs were the ones throwing the Jews and others in ovens, so it seems illogical and unlikely to suggest "FASCISTS" would want to suppress holocaust deniers. Your reasoning is faulty and distorted, as usual. ME Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: -Caveat Lector- Just wondering. Is AOL's reputation for discontinuing ISP service to free speakers borne up by facts? If so, is this list part of an AOL conspiracy to further tighten the noose, ISP-wise, on holocaust deniers and others expressing opinions which are taboo in Fascist America? FWP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FASCIST POLECATS
-Caveat Lector- Michael Estes wrote: -Caveat Lector- Apparently CANADIAN AGENT POLECAT doesn't apprehend the fact that FASCISTs were the ones throwing the Jews and others in ovens, so it seems illogical and unlikely to suggest "FASCISTS" would want to suppress holocaust deniers. Your reasoning is faulty and distorted, as usual. ME Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: -Caveat Lector- Just wondering. Is AOL's reputation for discontinuing ISP service to free speakers borne up by facts? If so, is this list part of an AOL conspiracy to further tighten the noose, ISP-wise, on holocaust deniers and others expressing opinions which are taboo in Fascist America? FWP. The reasoning of Michael Estes would be correct if the political philosophy of Fascism was specifically identified only with that of German National Socialism of the 30s and 40s. However, fascism originated as a specific political philosophy in Italy and the word is, in fact, Italian. And, interestingly, I believe that one of the original theorist was Jewish. It seems to me that it is your reasoning which is faulty. It is not based upon an analysis of political philosophy of fascism, but upon policies which may change from "fascist" regime to "fascist" regime while the underlying political philosophy remains the same. Fascism is based upon the idea of using the power of government for the benefit of the people of a nation rather then the protection of their individual rights. It is similar to Communism, but the government controls industry through regulation rather then through direct ownership. Minorities are suppressed in that they are seen to weaken the state. In Germany that minority were the Jews, in Canada they may be "holocaust deniers". In both cases their suppression was based upon the perceived "good of the whole" rather then the protection of their individual rights. In my opinion, governments which base their laws upon the good of the many rather then the protection of individual rights often develop laws which could be described as "fascist" for this reason. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] were pretty lucky here, eh?
-Caveat Lector- howard--you may have a point here, insofar as ,when the'mob rules" the individual is indeed relegated to a zero point. this is true in any far- left/far- right society. I really think, however, that we on the north american continent are pretty lucky in that we are not engaged in a daily life/death struggle against our 'oppressors'-from whatever side they may come- if we have a struggle at all,its rather a day to day fight, and it's verbally or on paper,and on many matters, it may seem to be rather picayune-just ask the folks from Koslovo, or Ruwanda-Burundi-or just about anywhere- they dont have the options we do, to toss our guts out for discussion/argument -they just toss out their guts.Period- (usually after theyve been shot down in the streets) liz DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- A Man and His Frog A man takes the day off work and decides to go out golfing. He is on the second hole when he notices a frog sitting next to the green. He thinks nothing of it and is about to shoot when he hears, "Ribbit 9Iron". The man looks around and doesn't see anyone. Again, he hears, "Ribbit 9 Iron". He looks at the frog and decides to prove the frog wrong. He puts the club away, and grabs a 9 iron. Boom! He hits the ball 10 inches from the cup. He is shocked. He says to the frog, "Wow that's amazing. You must be a lucky frog, eh?" The frog reply's, "Ribbit Lucky frog." The man decides to take the frog with him to the next hole " What do you think frog?", the man asks. "Ribbit 3 wood." The guy takes out a 3 wood and, Boom! Hole in one The man is befuddled and doesn't know what to say. By the end of the day, the man golfed the best game of golf in his life and asks the frog, "OK where to next?" The frog replies, "Ribbit Las Vegas." They go to Las Vegas and the guy says, "OK frog, now what?" The frog says, "Ribbit Roulette." Upon approaching the roulette table, the man asks, "What do you think I should bet? The frog replies, "Ribbit" $3000, black 6." Now, this is a million-to-one shot to win, but after the golf game, the man figures what the heck. Boom! Tons of cash comes sliding back across the table. The man takes his winnings and buys the best room in the hotel. He sits the frog down and says, "Frog, I don't know how to repay you. You've won me all this money and I am forever grateful." The frog replies, "Ribbit Kiss Me." He figures why not, since after all the frog did for him, he deserves it. With a kiss, the frog turns into a gorgeous 15-year old girl. "And that, your honor, is how the girl ended up in my room so help me God or my name is not William Jefferson Clinton." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Nothing (Else) Happened Today! (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- NOTHING (ELSE) HAPPENED TODAY! == (CNNS, 02/07/99) -- By a strange coincidence, nothing happened today except for the death of King Hussein, of Jordan. The "Monarch of Modern Jordan" picked a lucky day to die. On most other days it would be likely that other news would have occurred, in such places as France, Finland, Iraq, Germany, Israel, Ireland, China, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico or the United States, for example. But by an unusual confluence of events, the day of King Hussein's death, February 7, 1999, NOTHING HAPPENED elsewhere, throughout the world. On CNN's World News, the first 20 minutes of their half-hour broadcast was devoted to maudlin perorations on the death of King Hussein. Said Madeline Albright: "This sad death reminds me that I too am mortal, and will die someday. My only hope is that my death, like King Hussein's, will occur on a day when there is no other news." Said Bill Clinton: "We are reminded today that we all die. But will anyone notice when I die? I hope so." Said Defense Secretary Bill Cohen: "Hundreds of thousands have died in Iraq, but do they get mega-news coverage? But King Hussein has truly won honor for conspicuous consumption of news time." CNN's World News of February 7, 1999, did allow 3 minutes of coverage for the only other events connected with the day: (1) war drums for Kosovo; (2) lullabies for the Clinton impeachment trial. CNN World News then closed its worldwide broadcast with yet more adolescent realizations that we all die, that King Hussein has died, and that it's so sad that King Hussein has died. That's it! On February 7, 1999, nothing happened except King Hussein's death. The Koran says, "It is written." In honor of King Hussein the gods themselves have decreed that nothing else happens on this day (or days.) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + INFORMATION PLEASE: Conspiracy Nation News Service (CNNS) is a co-operative effort. Without the hints/rumors provided by many excellent sources, we could not exist. Have YOU heard anything lately that might be important? Pass it along to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anonymity is guaranteed. If you prefer, send your news tip or clues on same to: Brian Redman, 310 S. Prairie (#202), Champaign, IL 61820. Or you can go to a pay phone and call in your news tip: 217-356-4418. THEY will never tell us the whole truth about what is going on. But we, the People, working together, can find out what is REALLY happening. Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Scottish Biohazard Researcher Dies Mysteriously
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Eric Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: June wrote: You will NEVER find cholera without human waste present in the environment...and when dysentery is endemic in an area, it is ALWAYS due to human waste in the evironment... == Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't cholera and dysentery micro-organisms? Cholera and dysentery are DISEASES caused by the micro-organisms found in the intestinal system, which are perfectly natural and do not cause ill health when they stay within the intestinal system...but when those micro- organisms get OUTSIDE the intestinal tract, they cause disease... If that is true then there MUST be other places that these microbes can be found because the human body does not manufacture organisms. The only natural place they are found is the intestinal tract -- they're part of the digestive process, and help break down solid food... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Feds begin push: Identify, Confiscate, Incarcerate Gun Owners- It's all over now (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 05:07:26 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Feds begin push: Identify, Confiscate, Incarcerate Gun Owners- It's all over now (sent to USCMike1's 29,950+ readers - Please re-post to your own mailing lists) "Feds begin their big push to Identify, Confiscate, and Incarcerate ALL Gun Owners- It's all over now! Are you on the RED list (immediate extermination), the BLUE list (second round up for extermination), or the Prison-Slave Labor list (Those slated for Clinton's Civilian Concentration Camps)? Dear Citizens, Patriots, and Veterans: Please read this extremely urgent post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] which was forwarded to me by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Walker) thru [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eagle Flt). If you don't want to have the Feds to be able to track you down because you have bought 2nd Amendment U.S. Constitutionally guaranteed guns and arms, then contact me and I can make available to you several of over 200 books on how to make your own weapons, ammunition, and implements of self-defense and self-preservation. The Feds are NOT waiting until Y2K or for "supposed" attacks by International or domestic "Terrorists" to start the rounding up of persons who are gun owners, confiscating their weapons, and incarcerating them. First they will meerly be sent to local jails...then all will be rounded up by the feds, FEMA, our National Guard and the United Nations controlled foreign hostile troops already imported here by Clinton. To ALL Veterans: I am starting a Civilians' training program and could use some help from weapons and military operations experienced Veterans to train families and individuals in how to protect themselves and their families. I also will be training in Disaster and Emergency Medicine, HAZMAT (Hazardous Materials operations), and anti-NBC - Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical warfare and weapons of mass destruction purportedly to be perpetrated by supposed International and Domestic "Terrorists" which are really the feds themselves. Please contact me if you can help. Please act accordingly, Thank you, USCMike1 Subj:[Fwd: REGISTRATION, CONFISCATION, INCARCERATION (EXECUTION)] Date: 2/6/99 12:16:01 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Walker) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eagle Flt) The following is VERY serious! Douglas Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: REGISTRATION, CONFISCATION, INCARCERATION (EXECUTION) Dear Friends, Please read and repost to your listees. We now know how pre-war Germans must have felt. Regards, Brian Tyranny has never been defeated by disarmed citizens. [GUNS]: BUFFALO NY FEDERAL GRAND JURY SUBPOENA FFL'S IN KENTUCKY FOR RECORDS OF ALL SALES from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:51:43 -0500 ATTN: ALL FFL'S (Can anyone else confirm this message?).Bad news if this can be verified. db. [This is happening in the Louisville and Lexington area's, and who knows where else too.] I have in my sweaty little fist, a fax copy of a subpoena, delivered last week to a Louisville FFL gun dealer. It is one of many which were served to dealers in the Louisville area. (Since I will explain soon why YOU might be in grave danger from this, you might want to contact your favorite dealer, to see if HE got one of these, too!) This subpoena is genuine - I've seen a few of them in my life! The subpoena is for a Federal Grand Jury, in Buffalo, NY, convening February 10, 1999. It is issued by United States Attorney Denise E. O'Donnell, of the Western District of New York, with the Assistant U.S. Attorney (and writer of the subpoena) listed as Kathleen M. Mehltretter. Issued January 6, 1999, it is for an appearance in that court, in Buffalo, to produce the following materials: (1) Every sale, trade, or other transaction to any person or entity since January 1, 1991 which involves any weapon that is capable of firing ammunition 7.62 x 39 mm.; and (2) Every sale made to any of the below listed persons since January 1, 1991: (I will omit the list of names. There appears to be only three individuals, though the list includes what could be aliases for each.) (In handwriting attached is the note: "copies of 4473") What this is, folks, is a request for evidence that someone listed here came into possession of a gun chambered for 7.62 x 39, possibly sold
Re: [CTRL] Scottish Biohazard Researcher Dies Mysteriously
-Caveat Lector- June wrote: The only natural place they are found is the intestinal tract -- they're part of the digestive process, and help break down solid food... == This is precisely where I remain confused. Just to make sure I have you correctly: the same organisms that already exist inside us are deadly when they pass out of us and then back into us? I hope the reason for my perceptual dilemna here is obvious. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Scottish Biohazard Researcher Dies Mysteriously
-Caveat Lector- in china its called 'night soil' the raspberry /salmonella outbreak last fall was due to the use of human waste as fertilizer in mexican raspberry crops. The use of feces of carnivores/omnivores is frowned upon for veggie/fruit growing. Cow poop= good, Bear poop=bad l DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS bible.B
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/7/99 11:21:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: #1 You support the "freedoms" of drunks, dope users and all the above to endanger and sacrifice a % of innocent victims or #2 You do not support the freedoms of people to endanger and sacrifice any victims? #3 or .. you are a two face hypocrite who denies others the same freedoms you wish to grant drunks and dope users? Which is it Jethro? ((MY ANSWERS: #1 NO, the way you have stated it is do I support those groups being allowed to sacrifice innocent victims, absolutely not, no one should be allowed to hurt another (innocent) person, period. #2 That is correct I do not support a persons freedom to harm others, I THOUGHT I MADE THIS CLEAR. #3 I don't want to give ANYONE the freedom to hurt others, period, whether dope users or drunks, or Joe Tea-totaler either. AGAIN, you make the specious argument that being allowed to drive drunk is THE SAME as harming or "sacrificing" someone, IT IS NOT! UNTIL AN INJURY HAS BEEN DONE TO PERSON OR PROPERTY NO CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED. It's simple, why can't you get it? NO ONE HAS THE "RIGHT" TO HARM ANOTHER INNOCENT PERSON, PERIOD. /// Your arguments are specious and you jump to ridiculous conclusions. My opinion of course. The connections you make in your e-mails are not valid. It boils down to freedom, as you say, but freedom to do as one pleases as long as it does not hurt someone else or damage property that does not belong to you. \\\ * Note how this one WILL NOT RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS. ((Done)) * Next he says it is his opinion but he does not give HIS opinion of any other possibilities then the 3 listed (THERE ARE NONE !) ((Done, No one has the right to harm others. Neither dope users, or drunks as you say, nor someone who is perfectly sober. I support everyone's right to do WHATEVER they want as long as they do no injury to person or property (excluding their own). When injury is done they lose that right and should be punished. Simple, that is the other option.)) * The connections I make are not valid, but he has no reason why they are not valid. His original arguments were it is the "freedom" of people to endanger others and sacrifice a % of others so they can get their cookies off. ((Someone driving drunk is not a criminal since no damage has been done to property or person just by his act of driving. You assume that he automatically is guilty of killing or hurting property. Not so. If he injures person or property he loses his rights and is subject to punishment. PERIOD. Your arguments make assumptions that are invalid. People who take drugs or drink are not universally "stupid" or "in a stupor" to such a point that they AUTOMATICALLY kill or injure.)) Every one of my examples fit HIS arguments. ((NO they don't. You address nothing directly.)) * Next he says people should have their freedoms as long as it does not harm others, BUT THE FACT IS dopers/drunks... when in a stupor DO Cause us to pay higher taxes, cause us to pay higher insurance, injure and kill innocent people ! ((So do SOBER PEOPLE who have never had a drink. Or perhaps you deny that anyone who is sober does anything that causes your taxes or insurance to go up? Does your criteria support these people's punishment? I ask you, should they be punished to? )) Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/7/99 11:24:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Pie (as in Cow Pie): No you don't have to be bothered by someone with at least half a brain. Just unsub me. It is the "AOL WAY". And be good little sheep and believe that "lists" like this are exercises in free speech. I would rather believe in the tooth fairy. You can believe in Barney Frank as you do now. FWP. FWP , You have got your wish. Bye-bye. Om K FWP has perpetrated the best case of self fulfilling prophecy I have ever seen. First be rude and idiotic to such an extent that you annoy everyone. Second complain that the list is censored and that all "dissent" is taken away by unsubscribing them to the list. When he has offended one too many times he is unsubbed, and his prophecy has been fulfilled. He probably will have a great time with all his buddies saying how he got "censored" for his fight for the truth on the bad old CTRL list. Sad. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] were pretty lucky here, eh?
-Caveat Lector- Liz Schumacher wrote: -Caveat Lector- howard--you may have a point here, insofar as ,when the'mob rules" the individual is indeed relegated to a zero point. this is true in any far- left/far- right society. I really think, however, that we on the north american continent are pretty lucky in that we are not engaged in a daily life/death struggle against our 'oppressors'-from whatever side they may come- if we have a struggle at all,its rather a day to day fight, and it's verbally or on paper,and on many matters, it may seem to be rather picayune-just ask the folks from Koslovo, or Ruwanda-Burundi-or just about anywhere- they dont have the options we do, to toss our guts out for discussion/argument -they just toss out their guts.Period- (usually after theyve been shot down in the streets) liz Your observation of the differences in difficulties between our situation in N. America and in other parts of the world is precisely why I spend my time in studying the messages on this list and responding to many. In Hitler's 1924 "Mein Kamph", he made fairly clear his plan for Germany. Most did not seem to understand the ramifications of his plan. Likewise, many do not seem to understand the ramifications of the plans of the elite of our country. There were many steps taken before war and the gas chambers. Some of these steps have been taken in the western nations. It is important to understand the potentials, attempt to stop further steps in this direction, retract these steps if possible, and prepare for their result if this is not possible. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/7/99 12:53:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Franklin, I have been removed from 2 lists because my views were considered "disruptive". This word disruptive is a catch-all term that can mean whatever a list owner wants it to mean. I think you are quite right in your appraisal of the danger here. Eric Read the disclaimer. Realize that this list belongs to someone else and that you are here at his pleasure. THEN, if you don't like it go somewhere else or start your own list. Simple, isn't it. Now as far as disruptive goes, FWP has resorted to name calling and telling people to "fuck off". He has not stayed on topic and has brought personal attacks to the debate. He was warned by the list owner and has now been unsubscribed. No doubt he believes he was silenced by our conspiracy to hide the truth, which he continually asserted and would just as continually say nothing in support of except name calling and innuendo. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/7/99 12:56:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it not possible to ignore the so-called "disrupters"? The question is obvious rhetorical. Of course they can be ignored. If they are ignored, they will eventually go away. This is the better solution. Eric No it is not possible when they dominate the lists 100 post per day limit.. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
