Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #4]
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] "ric carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # "I smell the presence of Satan". Is Littleton's evangelical subculture a solution to the youth alienation that played a role in the Columbine killings, or a reflection of it? Faith comforts but ignites simmering tensions: www.salonmagazine.com/news/feature/1999/05/15/evangelicals/ : Does Satanism ever appear anywhere but in fundamentalist communities? Is Satanic awareness a necessary component of Xian/Moslem belief? The Quaker preacher Elias Hicks once said that we are tempted not by the Devil without, but by the Devil within. The people who are most afraid of the Devil are the ones most tempted... Fundamentalists always think that moral behavior can be legislated by society, but in fact what happens is just the reverse--laws almost always *follow* behavior change, codifying what is already the norm. If fundamentalists don't like what's happening today, they need look no further than their own churches, synagogues, or mosques for the reason. You can't mandate spirituality; if spirituality is lacking in society, then the fault lies with the churches, etc., which dropped the ball and let the secularists take the initiative. The theo- logical reasons for this are complex, and would quickly put everyone on several lists to sleep. Suffice it to say that if you withdraw from the world to keep your own purity, don't be surprised if you find the world going off in another direction... Well, ritual practice *can* be legislated, but unless a society is quite heavily policed and disconnected from the outside world, such mandates are widely ignored. Note that most Western European nations have state churches... which most residents avoid. In post-theocratic cultures, the most effective way to destroy a religion is to establish it as a gov't agency. If folk have ANY options besides legally-mandated belief systems, said agencies will be vastly unpopular. IMHO the best way to cripple fundys is to let them win once. Prayer in public schools will promote a Techno-Goth revival of unimaginable proportions. Of course, maybe that's part of the conspiracy - Xian Jeezoid Fundys are actually Satanists trying to provoke the abandonment of Xianity by shoving it down our throats, knowing that our regurgitative reaction will flush away the unpalatable biblical doctrines, right? Yeah, I can see it all clearly now... Ric "no heretics were burnt in the production of this message" Carter DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #4]
-Caveat Lector- Re Littleton and the Devil within.today I saw it, when Clinton addressed the kids at Littleton.I believe that school has some pretty sick people not only in charge, but in their midst who seemed to be less than traumatized or in deep grief. First, when Clinton got up to speak, the crowd acted like teenagers with a hero in their midst...let us say, no conservatives in that audience. Second - a few hands shot up - and this really is horrific after what happened at this school - giving Clinton the sign of the "devil", or in Mafia talk ' the Mojo, which is a signal for a hit, or a devil; there is one picture of Christ painted in Byzantine period, giving this mojo signalbut Christ was holding a jeweled copy of a bookso it could not possibly have been a replica of Him. The Superintende delivered a speech; she was just a little too professional; she had all the appearances of a candidate to public office, and did Hilary Clinton - who dlivered a speech that could have been prepared by Warthog James Shea. But the one kid I have seen before; he was one who had talked too much, with the pierced ears, at the scene on the date of this eventthere he was, in front of the camera in a crowd of maybe hundreds of kids, parading about. Now this trenchcoat Mafia, was not kid stuff anymore; there is something very sick in Littleton that has nothing to do with guns...they are merely the instrument of their own personal version of God.or is it God. One little girl killed studied her bible, which is the basis of genocide, witchcraft which she studied, but had seen the litel. Littleton was just one big game gone and it was well staged and planned. Littleton was a sick community long before the masacre of the innocents. One other intresting item re this Trenchcoat Mafia.drug pushers for years have been using the kids to peddle drugs, because the jail sentenced too, are not so heavy - and you cannot or could not prevously, file adult chrges.juvenile justice then must be reformed...yet our own CIA and Military deal in drugs on a daily basis.one drug in particular, which might have been the cause of Button running a 20 million dollar plane into a mountain..they blame pilot error, which this drugs causes aggressiveness, amnesia, a virtual time warp in memory, where complete control and memory is lost of their actions. Trenchcoat Mafiawell the Mafia does control the munitions, drugs, and is the black operation of the CIA.which leads now to the killers in the Balkansputting on a grand show for television. Well the chickens came home to roost at Littleton today; what a performance by ClintonI bet he washes is hands 30 times a day Littleton is a very sick community; the last think they need in any school is religion, the way they are teaching it in Littleton and Atlantareligion can be used for good or for evil.after all without God, there would have been no Satan - and this is why religious ignorance is much more deadly than a loaded gun So, if you take another look at Clinton and Hilliary at Littleton, be sure to watch for the appearances of hands on many different occasions, making the Mojo sign of kill, or the sign of the devil, for the President of the United States, while e smiled back. The President is as sick as some of those kidsbut how strange, they arethe sign of the devil or Mojo, while their little friends just buried, wasn't there for the inside joke? colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990521a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No alien implants were monitored during the production of this bulletin. ** SKEPTINEWS CONTRIBUTORS/EDITORS WANTED NOW ** KEEP THIS BULLETIN ALIVE ** _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Entrepreneur Jim Benson of Space Development Corp. is the apparent leader of the movement to strip-mine whatever celestial objects he can get his rob- otic claws into. Benson plans to make up to $70 million a year by prospect- ing ore from asteroids. "We will... 'own' that body," said Benson, who can't wait to usher in the era of "private property in space" as his firm becomes "the Standard Oil of space." Envision someone seizing the recently discover- ed lunar ice "at gunpoint." www.latimes.com/excite/990519/t44752.html : EARTH FIRST! WE'LL STRIP-MINE THE OTHER PLANETS LATER! Which astral bodies would you like to devastate? For fun or profit or both? Will humans struggle over orbital 'turf' with Reptilioids, Republicans, divinities, space fleas? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # No safety in numbers for clones. (BBC) The safety of cloning is under investigation in labs around the world with scientists concerned at the high rate of deaths and deformities in copied animals. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_348000/348978.stm # GM could 'impoverish poor farmers'. (BBC) A UK development charity says agrochemical firms should study their products' economic impact on developing countries before starting to sell them. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_348000/348947.stm : Are cloning and genetic modifications too unstable economically? Will capitalism evolve past the point where biological tampering is profitable? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Cyborg Seeks Community. The originator of a remarkable wearable computing system tells of his lonely years as a Mann/machine, and his quest for a cyber-collective. http://www.techreview.com/articles/may99/mann.htm # 'Artificial muscles' made from nanotubes. (BBC) "Artificial muscles" have been made from millions of carbon nanotubes but are more likely to harness wave power than create bionic humans. Or so they say: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_348000/348915.stm # Seeing is Believing. Artificial vision is within sight as the silicon retina moves from proof-of-principle to prototype device. Another step towards Borg-dom: http://www.techreview.com/articles/may99/chase.htm : Would you rather be human, cyborg, gene-spliced, hybridized? Can/should you be improved? Would you rather be improved by Reptilioids, Republicans, deities, demons, physicians, geneticists, programmers, deprogrammers, me? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Japan's Friendly Robots. In Japan, a cartoon inspired a generation of engineers to make machines that look - and act - human. Friendly humanoid robots: http://www.techreview.com/articles/may99/johnstone.htm @ Links: Science University of Tokyo http://www.sut.ac.jp/ @ Omron Pet Robot Site http://www.petrobo.com/english/e-index.html @ Honda P-3 Android www.honda.co.jp/english/technology/robot/index.html @ Takanori Shibata's Page at MITI's Mechanical Engineering Lab http://www.mel.go.jp/soshiki/robot/biorobo/shibata/shibata.html @ Waseda University Humanoid Project www.shirai.info.waseda.ac.jp/humanoid/ @ Mighty Atom Site http://www.well.com/user/dragster/mightyatom.html @ Android World (many links to robot sites) http://www.androidworld.com/ @ Ragman's Robotics Links http://www.euronet.nl/users/ragman/link_64.html @ Robotics Information Page, University of Massachusetts http://www-robotics.cs.umass.edu/robotics.html @ Prof. Rodney Brooks, MIT http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/brooks/brooks.html : Do you prefer robots to be friendly or unfriendly, humanoid or inhuman, smart or dumb, happy or sad, tasty or tasteless, loud or quiet, good or bad? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiShorts # The science of Star Wars. Could the science fiction of Star Wars become the technology of tomorrow? A mathematician and astrophysicist explores explains: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/990519/2616351.html # DOES GREEN SKIN GET ACNE? Aliens on TV? Hot. High school? Hotter. Say hello to Roswell, TV's first extraterrestrial-adolescent angst hybrid. The drama, to be beamed by The WB network Wednesday nights this fall, is about ETeensomethings trying to fit in after their craft crashes in Roswell, New Mexico. Gag me with an implant: www.canoe.ca/Television/may19_new.html # Dances with Machines. Interactive artist David Rokeby explores the ambiguous borders between ourselves and our mechanical servants (or masters). http://www.techreview.com/articles/may99/zacks.htm _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: # Irish Get Free Viagra, But Only Four A Month: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990520/10/odd-viagra # Chocolates Good For
[CTRL] 'TV brings eating disorders to Fiji'
-Caveat Lector- It shows the power of the zombie box John BBC NEWS Thursday, May 20, 1999 Published at 13:13 GMT 14:13 UK Health 'TV brings eating disorders to Fiji' The traditional Fijian form is a "robust, well-muscled body" Fiji, a nation that has traditionally cherished the fuller figure, has been struck by an outbreak of eating disorders since the arrival of television in 1995, a study has shown. Researchers from Harvard say the western images and values transmitted via the medium has led to an increase in disorders such as anorexia and bulimia. Anne Becker, an anthropologist at Harvard Medical School, has studied Fijian eating habits since 1988. She compared the arrival of television with the arrival of British explorers in the last century. "What I hope is that this isn't like the 19th century, when the British came to Fiji and brought the measles with them. It was a tremendous plague," she said. "One could speculate that in the 20th century, television is another pathogen exporting Western images and values," she said. 'Programming influences teens' Fiji has one television station, which broadcasts programmes from the UK, US and New Zealand such as Seinfeld, ER, Melrose Place and Xena: Warrior Princess. Programmes full of slim role models may have an effect In 1998 - 38 months after the station went on air - Ms Becker conducted a survey of teenage girls and found that 74% of them felt they were "too big or fat". Ms Becker said there had been a sharp rise in indicators of disordered eating, such as induced vomiting. She said 15% of the girls reported they had vomited to control weight. The traditional Fijian preference for the build of both sexes has been a "robust, well-muscled body" for both sexes, she said. Ranadi Johnston - who holds the Miss Fiji beauty queen title, said slim women were tradionally seen as weak. "People are always telling me to put on weight," she said. 'Major impact' The impact of television on a Pacific island that has only had electricity since 1985 was significant, she said, as adolescent girls became more aware of Western ideals of beauty. "Nobody was dieting in Fiji 10 years ago," Ms Becker said. "An alarmingly high percentage of adolescents are dieting now." She said a study showed that a higher proportion of adolescents in Fiji were dieting than in Massachusetts. "The teenagers see TV as a model for how one gets by in the modern world. They believe the shows depict reality." Many groups say the world-wide increase in eating disorders is down to the prevalence of images equating a slim figure with beauty. But some doctors have questioned whether such disorders are caused by culture or are transmitted from generation to generation in genes. A study on the Caribbean island of Curacao, where fat is considered attractive, found the incidence of anorexia was equal to that in Europe. Link to television images Nicky Bryant, chief executive of the Eating Disorders Association, said Ms Becker's study had implications for everyone. "Research has shown there is a relationship between television and the development of an eating disorder, although there are many other factors," she said. "With low self-esteem - which is associated with eating disorders - people will be trying to assume a low body weight or a slim image, which can lead to an eating disorder." She advised anyone who was concerned about an eating disorder to contact the association or see their GP. "The earlier an eating disorder is detected, the better is the chance of recovery," she said. A 1993 World Health Organisation report found that the Fiji suffered extremes of nutritional problems. It said: "Obesity is an emerging health problem, which can be presently observed in children. "However, under-nutrition has been around for over a decade and still exists with 15 percent of children under the age of five having a weight and age ratio below international standards. "Fijian babies are undernourished at an early stage, while malnutrition in Indo -Fijian children appears at a later stage." Ms Becker presented her findings at the American Psychiatric Association in Washington on Wednesday. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
Re: [CTRL] Georgia school shooting
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-20 09:46:12 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The shooting occurred at 8:03 a.m. EDT in the commons area at Heritage High School in Conyers, 25 miles (40 km) east of Atlanta. And the Senate vote occurred only a few hours afterward. How convenient! Just as the Columbine shooting occurred on the same day when the Colorado legislature would have OTHERWISE passed a concealed-carry bill. (Trenchcoat Mafioso Harris' father still refuses to cooperate with police investigators unless he is granted immunity. Immunity for WHAT, hmm?) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TV Illness [was: Skeptic News - Thursday #1]
-Caveat Lector- Boys May Be Impacted by Body Types By PAISLEY DODDS .c The Associated Press BOSTON (AP) -- Long legs, a tiny waist and a big bust made Barbie the target of critics for giving girls an unrealistic body ideal. Now, chiseled pectorals, abdominals and biceps have put male action figures under similar scrutiny. Researchers who studied boys' favored action figures found they preferred ``very muscular figures,'' said Harrison Pope, a Harvard University psychiatrist and author of the study. The majority of male action figures placed on the market since the 1960s have been beefed up to bulky, inhuman proportions, leading boys to believe muscle equals masculinity, the study said. Before then, ``people weren't using anabolic steroids so men would lift weights and stay within their natural body size,'' Pope said. ``But now, the unnatural is possible.'' Researchers measured the circumference of GI Joe's waist, chest and biceps at different stages of development over the years. The original GI Joe from the 1960s, scaled to human dimensions, had a biceps circumference of about 12 inches, similar to an ordinary man. But a GI Joe Extreme from 1997 had a biceps circumference of more than 26 inches -- almost the size of a small man's waist. Wayne Charness, a spokesman for Hasbro Inc., which makes GI Joe, Star Wars and a host of other figures, said action heroes aren't designed to resemble the meek and the mortal. ``As for our superhuman figures like Batman and Superman, they are based on cartoon characters and their proportions are likely to remain superhuman,'' he said. But the buffed play toys could be leaving impressions on young boys, said Martin Zelin, a Tufts University psychology professor. ``Just as women who are anorexic have been influenced by the images of thin models, boys could be influenced by muscular men,'' he said. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Who Runs America? Forty minutes with Noam Chomsky
A dramatic recent case was the MIA, the Multilateral Agreement on Investments [a proposed global economic treaty]. On that there was near-uniformity in the corporate sector, the government, the media component of the corporate sector, the international financial institutions. They were all in favor of this treaty, overwhelmingly. But they all understood that the PUBLIC was not going to like it, so for years they simply kept it secret -- no debate permitted. Subj: Who Runs America? Forty minutes with Noam Chomsky Date: 99-05-20 16:17:09 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Carrara) To: Activist Mailing List http://get.to/activist Who runs America? Forty minutes with Noam Chomsky Interview by Adrian Zupp Noam Chomsky, one of the world's leading linguistic thinkers, is also one of its leading political dissidents. A professor of linguistics at MIT (where he has taught since 1955), he has consistently spoken out about abuses of power, particularly those involving U.S. corporations. He has been arrested several times and was on Richard Nixon's infamous enemies list. Chomsky makes countless speaking appearances around the world each year; his schedule is so tight that it took 15 months to get this interview. Now 70, Chomsky is still energetic and expansive; he is also quiet-spoken, somewhat shy, and exceedingly sincere. Always quotable, Chomsky has said: "If the Nuremberg laws were applied today, then every postwar American president would have to be hanged." He has also said: "It is the responsibility of intellectuals to speak the truth and expose lies." This interview took place in his MIT office. Q: As you tell it, the main components of power and control in America seem to be corporations, the government, the media, and the public-relations industry. But many people apparently find it hard to go along with your explanation because they don't feel that control could be that monolithic. A: What you just described is not monolithic. I mean, you mentioned four things, and within each of these things there's a lot of conflict. First of all, corporations disagree. And corporations and government are not the same thing. Q: But I get the impression that a lot of people think that you're saying that it's a massive conspiracy. A: That's true maybe of people in the Harvard faculty, but that's because for them "conspiracy" is a curse word. If something comes along that you don't like, there are a few sort of four-letter words that you can use to push it out of the sphere of discussion. If you were in a bar downtown, they might have different words, but if you're an educated person what you use are complicated words like "conspiracy theory" or "Marxist." It's a way of pushing unpleasant questions off the agenda so that we can continue in our own happy ideology. Q: So would you say that the elite groups are not so much coordinated in producing the system as they are unanimous in protecting it? A: There are matters on which they tend to be in overwhelming agreement. There are other matters on which there are internal differences. And in fact, when you investigate the media product, what you typically find is that on topics on which there is very broad consensus, there's no discussion. On topics where there's debate, there is discussion. A dramatic recent case was the Multilateral Agreement on Investments [a proposed global economic treaty]. On that there was near-uniformity in the corporate sector, the government, the media component of the corporate sector, the international financial institutions. They were all in favor of this treaty, overwhelmingly. They all understood very well that the public is not going to like it, so for years they just kept it secret. On that issue, no discussion. The same happened on NAFTA [the North American Free Trade Agreement]. The same sectors were overwhelmingly in favor, but they knew the population wasn't going to like it -- which in fact remained true right until the end. So they simply would never allow debate on it. To their distress, the issue broke through because of popular activism and because of Ross Perot, who just made a fuss about it. So it was impossible to suppress it totally. And what happened then is extremely interesting. What happened is, the major press -- the New York Times, let's say -- simply never allowed it to be discussed. The labor movement, for example, had a position, but it was never allowed to be presented. The labor movement was condemned by curse words: it was "old-fashioned," "crude," "tough," "blundering," a long series of curse words. Here you have a consensus among the elite. And this is true on many other issues. Let's take an international issue -- say, the Vietnam War. There's a pretense now -- the press like to pretend that they were opposing the war and being courageous. That's complete nonsense. If you look back, they supported the war overwhelmingly. I mean,
[CTRL] Profile of GA Killer Teen
-Caveat Lector- "The family moved to Conyers two years ago from North Carolina. ``They were people that really kept to themselves.'' The boy's mother works as a secretary for a veterinarian. "Neighbors were not sure what the stepfather did for a living ...". Profile of Georgia Teen Gunman By TOM SALADINO .c The Associated Press CONYERS, Ga. (AP) -- The boy who shot six students in his high school Thursday is a quiet, middle-class 15-year-old sophomore whose grades had slipped recently and whose heart was broken when his girlfriend dumped him, friends and neighbors said. One other thing stood out to those who know Thomas Solomon: there were a lot of guns in the basement of his home. ``He showed them to me and my brother one time. I don't know much about guns, but I think they were like, hunting guns,'' said 15-year-old Brad Morgan, who lives two houses away from the suspect and rode the bus with him to Heritage High School in suburban Atlanta. Said sophomore Chris Dunn, a friend of the suspect: ``He had lots of guns. They were his parents'.'' Some classmates said Solomon had boasted in recent weeks of shooting people at school. ``People have been saying he's been wanting to do this all year long,'' said 15-year-old Katie Bir. Others, like Katrima Barton, said they didn't take it seriously. The teen-ager, who was identified by friends, lives with his mother, stepfather and 13-year-old sister at the end of a cul-de-sac of $275,000-plus homes with manicured lawns. His home is nestled on a large, wooded lot with a basketball hoop at the end of a winding driveway. The family moved to Conyers two years ago from North Carolina. The boy's mother works as a secretary for a veterinarian. The neighbors were unsure where the stepfather worked. ``They were people that really kept to themselves,'' said Morgan's father, Allan, who sometimes drove the suspect to summer school last year in the neighborhood car pool. ``He was a quiet kid, but I just chalked it up to him being shy.'' On Thursday, reporters swarmed the neighborhood and detectives searched the boy's home, carrying boxes in and out. Neighbors described Solomon as someone who was quiet but had a few close friends. His family went to the local Catholic church, and he had attended the church youth service as usual Wednesday night. ``He was pretty quiet, but around me and other people he would laugh and joke around,'' Dunn said. Friends said the teen-ager's grades had fallen recently, and they weren't sure why. ``He wasn't even trying anymore, which I was kind of concerned about,'' Dunn said. Friend and classmate Nathaniel Deeter, 15, said Solomon was ``really upset'' about the breakup with a girl he had dated for about a year. ``He said, `I have no reason to live anymore.' And I told him he was crazy. I thought he was just feeling sorry for himself because a lot of kids feel like that,'' Deeter said. Deeter said Solomon gave no clue about his shooting plans when Deeter spoke to him 10 minutes before the spree began. Brad Morgan said the suspect didn't say or do anything unusual at the bus stop Thursday morning. ``He was acting just like any other day,'' Morgan said. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NATO Mining Adriatic
-Caveat Lector- NATO Explains Bomb Dumping To Italy BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) -- NATO has provided Italy with ``detailed reports'' about its dumping of unexploded bombs in the Adriatic Sea, Italian Prime Minister Massimo D'Alema said Thursday. D'Alema had demanded an explanation from NATO after a bomb exploded off Venice earlier this month as a fishing net was being hauled on board a ship, injuring three members of the crew. ``I received detailed reports this morning on the dumping of bombs and coordinates of points where they have been jettisoned,'' D'Alema said from Brussels, Belgium, where he met with NATO Secretary-General Javier Solana. ``We can now fully assess the level of danger which has clearly alarmed the Italian population,'' he said. Authorities have given conflicting accounts of whether the device that exploded off Venice was of recent make or from World War II. But Italian military investigators say that dozens of small bombs hauled up by fishermen were definitely American-made for modern planes. D'Alema said he was told by NATO that 143 unexploded bombs have been dropped in the Adriatic so far since the alliance's air campaign against Yugoslavia began on March 24. Of these, 37 were dropped at depths of less than 400-500 yards and may risk being caught in fishermen's nets. NATO admitted recently it had not informed the Italian government that it was dumping unexploded devices into the Adriatic, off Italy's east coast. NATO argues it is safer to drop these bombs at sea, where they can be picked up later by naval vessels, than risking a land explosion. Mechanical problems can force pilots to dump their bombs prematurely. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Revived Red Brigade Attacks NATO
-Caveat Lector- The allegedly "Communist" Red Brigade was actually an agents-provocateur group funded by fascist millionaires (who would benefit most from the right-wing reaction to a bogus "Communist terrorist threat") and secretly working in consort with NATO. Its victims, oddly for a "Communist" group, were often influential people on the Left ... If it's surfacing again, it can only be because the alliance feels it needs to tighten the reins on NATO-member Italy, which (like Greece) is starting to oppose the war ... Rome, May 21 (Bloomberg) -- Italy's Red Brigades, the far- left terrorist group that two decades ago plunged the country into a chaos that culminated in the murder in 1978 of President Aldo Moro, claimed responsibility for the shooting yesterday of Massimo D'Antona, a government adviser. In a 28-page document bearing a five-pointed star within a circle printed on the front and published in the press this morning, the ``Brigate Rosse per la Costruzione del Partito Communista Combattente,'' a name similar to that used by the original group, said they killed D'Antona in an ambush near his Rome home, seeking to ``strike at the heart of the state.'' D'Antona, an adviser to Italian Labor Minister Antonio Bassolino, was murdered because of his position as government representative on the steering committee for the ``Pact for Jobs and Development,'' the social contract signed by government, unions and employers to broker peaceful deals on labor and employment issues, the document said. ``The push to transform the old legal context . . . has been channeled and focused, in the work of Massimo D'Antona, towards a neo-corporative politics . . . in a context the social ends of which coincide structurally with those of the dominant fraction of the Imperialist Bourgeoisie,'' an extract published in Corriere della Sera said. The language and analysis used, and the arguments employed echoed those of the Red Brigades in the 1970s. Commentator Sergio Romano, in a front-page editorial in the Corriere della Sera this morning noted that D'Antona ``exactly corresponds to the men who in the 1970s and 1980s were in the sights of the terrorist organizations.'' The original Red Brigades, founded in 1969 aiming to create a revolutionary state through armed struggle and to split Italy from the Western Alliance, were responsible for more than 300 deaths between 1976 and 1988. Several high-profile victims were trade unionists, non-revolutionary politicians on the left, and labor economists. The Red Brigades were responsible for the 1981 kidnapping of U.S. Army General James Dozier and claimed to have murdered Leamon Hunt, U.S. chief of the Sinai Multinational Force and Observer Group, in 1984. They were broken up after Italian and French police arrested many of the group's members in 1989. There have been signs that they were attempting to regroup. In 1996 shots were fired from a stolen car into the U.S. air base at Aviano -- where many of the planes used in the NATO bombing campaign in Yugoslavia are based -- and a grenade was thrown. Callers claiming to represent the Red Brigades later claimed responsibility, according the FAS website. The Italian press reported this morning that while the country's secret services were aware of signals that the terrorists were attempting to reorganize, they had underestimated the seriousness of the situation. Investigators said that while the group behind the D'Antona killing probably consisted of about 20 people, led by an ideologue, the way in which it was carried out suggested the group is well-organized. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Global Cartel's Price-Fixing
-Caveat Lector- "For nine years, top executives for several of the world's biggest firms held secret annual meetings to divide world markets, fixing prices to the penny ..." Roche, BASF pay record U.S. price fixing fines By David Lawsky WASHINGTON, May 20 (Reuters) - European pharmaceutical and chemical giants Roche Holding ROCZg) and BASF AG agreed on Thursday to pay the United States record criminal antitrust fines totalling $725 million for fixing world vitamin prices, and a former Roche executive agreed to go to jail. Switzerland's Roche will pay a record U.S. criminal fine of $500 million and Germany's BASF will pay $225 million for participating in a world-wide vitamin cartel. ``What they did was very wrong,'' Attorney General Janet Reno told a news conference. Antitrust Division Chief Joel Klein said the conspiracy ``affected more than $5 billion of commerce in products found in every American household.'' For nine years top executives for several of the world's biggest firms held secret annual meetings to divide world markets in common vitamins, setting prices to the penny, officials said. Lower-level managers carried the scheme, rigging bids when necessary. Roche's fine will surpass the previous criminal fine record of $340 million paid by Daiwa Bank Ltd. in 1996 for fraud and cover-up of massive securities trading losses. And both fines will top the previous antitrust record of $135 million paid earlier this month by German graphite and electrode maker SGL Carbon in a price fixing case. A BASF spokesman in Frankfurt told Reuters that the company's ``capability to continue its dividend policy for shareholders for 1999 will not be affected by this incident.'' Roche Holding Chief Executive Franz Humer said in Zurich the fine was ``painful'' but his company could handle it. Roche shook up its management, announcing the head of its vitamins and fine chemicals division was suddenly leaving the firm. Its former director of worldwide marketing for the vitamins and fine chemicals division, Dr. Kuno Sommer, agreed to serve a four-month prison sentence and pay a $100,000 fine. Sommer agreed to plead guilty to participating in the cartel and then lying to Justice Department investigators about it in 1997. ``Foreign borders will not serve as a sanctuary from prosecution for individuals who conspire to steal from U.S. businesses and customers,'' said Justice's Klein. Deputy Assistant Attorney General Gary Spratling noted pointedly that the investigation will continue for up to 12 other vitamin makers. And Klein said that four executives of BASF and three from Roche were not covered by the settlement. ``Those who lie, obstruct, and attempt to cover up the truth in our investigations will be prosecuted,'' Klein said. France's Rhone-Poulenc SA escaped criminal charges by co-operating with the government's two-year investigation. It recently provided what Spratling described as the ``big break'' in the case. Spratling said that the conspirators had been told to destroy every piece of incriminating paper, but Rhone-Poulenc painted a picture for the government of the way the scheme worked. Although Rhone-Poulenc will not face criminal charges, Spratling said that it -- and the other companies -- may be found liable for huge damages in civil cases brought by corporate victims. A Roche spokesman in Zurich was unable to say if his company could pay a dividend, noting the firm faced large exposure from a number of civil suits. ``We don't know the actual figure, but it is not just two or three. It is a lot more.'' Roche, BASF, Sommer and the other, unidentified co-conspirators fixed prices on vitamins A, B2, B5, C, E, Beta Carotene and vitamin premixes, Justice said. Vitamin premixes are sold to manufacturers to blend into cereals, animal feeds and other products. Klein said the conspiracy ``hurt the pocketbook of virtually every American consumer -- anyone who took a vitamin, drank a glass of milk or had a bowl of cereal.'' In Brussels, a European Commission source told Reuters the commission had its own investigation into the firms. But the source said that any final decision was still a long way off. Justice's Spratling said that Roche had cooperated in the investigation, but noted that it was a recidivist firm and that was taken into account in setting the fine. Roche was fined $14 million in 1997 for participating in a separate cartel involving citric acid. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL
[CTRL] Bankers' Secret Meeting
-Caveat Lector- Top European banking executives meet in Helsinki HELSINKI, May 20 (Reuters) - Top executives of leading European banks are meeting in Helsinki this week for the semi-annual discussions of the secretive Institut International d'Etudes Bancaires (IIEB), Finnish bank officials said. "This is a regular meeting that has taken place twice a year since 1952," MeritaNordbanken spokesman Timo Nikinmaa told Reuters. Nikinmaa declined to give any further details. "It's a closed meeting... They keep a low profile," he said. A manager of Helsinki's newest luxury hotel, the Kamp -- not yet open to the public -- confirmed that the meeting was taking place there, but gave no further details. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Diana Reversal
-Caveat Lector- This is a reversal from a lady who used to work for Princess Diana, talking about her children. I am having a hard time deciphering what it says. ;^);^);^) http://www.anomalous-images.com/dianarev_3.ram Regards, Steve Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind control/ black helicopters etc
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/20/1999 1:17:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.members.tripod.com/uforeview/articles.html I can't seem to save tripod member pages to favorite places in aol com. I close out the tripod introductory page and can see the member's page but cannot save it to return to later. Cany anyone help? Thanks. === DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch Gov't Faces Threat of Democracy
-Caveat Lector- No Kidding wrote: -Caveat Lector- But it may easily become an absurd tyranny if we regard it worshipfully, as though it were more than a political device. We have lost all sense of its true meaning wheen we imagine that the opinion of fifty-one per cent is in some high fashion the true opinion of the whole hundred per cent, or indulge in the sophistry that the rule of a majority is based upon the ultimate equality of man. -- Walter Lippmann In this case there had to be a two-third majority ... No K. That's not the point. These people don't like any kind of democracy because they are essentially elitist and resent being restricted by society. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch Gov't Faces Threat of Democracy
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: That's not the point. These people don't like any kind of democracy because they are essentially elitist and resent being restricted by society. MJ: Straw man, non sequitur, ad hominem ... Some people favor freedom, liberty and equality over the whims of the majority. Regard$, --MJ A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship. -- Alexander Fraser Tyler, "The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: On Killing, by David Grossman (http://www.channel1.com/users/netnet/read...
http://www.channel1.com/users/netnet/readme/grossman.html On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society Reviewed by Caitlin Burke. On Killing David Grossman. Little, Brown, and Co. Buy the book Lt. Col. David Grossman is a psychologist and a former Army Ranger who has taught Psychology at West Point and now teaches Military Science at Arkansas State University. His book is a collection of talks he has given, primarily about ways to evaluate battle efficiency and training methods for soldiers and the conditions and events that lead to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). On Killing reads like a set of talks. Every chapter has an epigram, quotations, and illustrations, and every point is made carefully and recapitulated in related discussions. Grossman is still a loyal soldier, and he is proud and slightly sentimental about the role of soldiers in society. At the same time, he paints and vivid and uncompromising picture of the development of the modern war machine, in which soldiers are merely parts. And he manages to call for a "resensitization of America" without sounding ironic. Grossman covers the basics: it's easier to kill people you can't see, it's easier to kill people you don't like, and for some reason Vietnam was different. And then he offers some gripping analysis about why this is so. Using information about firing ratios -- percentages of soldiers in the field who actually fired their weapons -- inferred from two hundred years of military history and gathered in several 20th Century wars, Grossman amply supports his foundation thesis: Soldiers don't like to kill, and you can make them fire, but you can't make them aim. Firing ratio wasn't the only thing different about Vietnam. World War I gave the entire Western World a case of shell shock, but Vietnam was different, more somehow, more shells and more shock. What was different about these firing machines? Grossman again uses military history, combined with his own background as a clinical psychologist and counselor to soldiers, to form some answers. He offers explanations both for improved firing efficiency and, most importantly, for the effect of modern military training -- conditioning -- and modern war practice on the development of PTSD. Grossman has several motives in On Killing. He wants to present a sympathetic view of the soldier, and he wants to contribute his insights to the field of military psychology. He also wants to assure his readers that while the conditioning experienced by Vietnam soldiers was often dehumanizing -- from the firing training to the overtly racist ideology that was taught in boot camp -- this conditioning did not create psychopaths or losers or misfits. Vietnam vets had a hard time keeping jobs and staying married, but "going postal" was rare. Grossman contends that while killing and hating behaviors were -- and are -- taught in the military, the military environment also requires strict obedience to commanders. Sure, soldiers are trained and ordered to shoot and kill, but only on orders, and punishments for firing without orders are harsh and immediate. Which brings us to Grossman's punch line: When kids play video games like Doom or Mortal Kombat, they are learning the same hair-trigger behaviors and us/them attitudes with none of the context of obedience to command and none of the special circumstances that war creates. And when they watch television and movies depicting lone psychopaths like Hannibal the Cannibal and lone vigilantes like Rambo, they receive ideological "training" that can help rationalize defensiveness and the appeal of violence as a problem-solver. Grossman points fingers in many directions -- at the lack of male role models for the children of single mothers, at the hypnotic quality of electronic media, and particularly at violent movies and games. And he's correct, these are all potentially disorienting phenomena that offer many anti-community images, images that can promote fear and help to rationalize violence, particularly when experienced alone. On Killing is a compelling and persuasive book, which manages to make its point intuitively while making the reader understand that these ideas do, in fact, counter the intuition and teaching of military institutions over centuries. But while Grossman has made a fascinating contribution to military psychology and an interesting suggestion about society in general, his comments about America's children are not nearly as pointed or careful as his theses about soldiers. It's one thing to suggest that teaching a man to kill is mediated by teaching him to obey orders but quite another to suggest it takes a man with authority to raise a woman's son.
[CTRL] Fwd: Trained to Kill (http://www.christianity.net/ct/8T9/
http://www.christianity.net/ct/8T9/8T9030.html August 10, 1998 Trained to Kill A military expert on the psychology of killing explains how today's media condition kids to pull the trigger. David Grossman Why are kids shooting their classmates? David Grossman is a military psychologist who coined the term killology for a new interdisciplinary field: the study of the methods and psychological effects of training army recruits to circumvent their natural inhibitions to killing fellow human beings. Here he marshals unsettling evidence that the same tactics used in training soldiers are at work in our media and entertainment. CT thinks that parents, the church, scholars, and the government must come together to study this question more intensely: Are we training our children to kill? I am from Jonesboro, Arkansas. I travel the world training medical, law enforcement, and U.S. military personnel about the realities of warfare. I try to make those who carry deadly force keenly aware of the magnitude of killing. Too many law enforcement and military personnel act like "cowboys," never stopping to think about who they are and what they are called to do. I hope I am able to give them a reality check. So here I am, a world traveler and an expert in the field of "killology," and the largest school massacre in American history happens in my hometown of Jonesboro, Arkansas. That was the March 24 schoolyard shooting deaths of four girls and a teacher. Ten others were injured, and two boys, ages 11 and 13, are in jail, charged with murder. My son goes to one of the middle schools in town, so my aunt in Florida called us that day and asked, "Was that Joe's school?" And we said, "We haven't heard about it." My aunt in Florida knew about the shootings before we did! We turned on the television and discovered the shootings took place down the road from us but, thank goodness, not at Joe's school. I'm sure almost all parents in Jonesboro that night hugged their children and said, "Thank God it wasn't you," as they tucked them into bed. But there was also a lot of guilt because some parents in Jonesboro couldn't say that. I spent the first three days after the tragedy at Westside Middle School, where the shootings took place, working with the counselors, teachers, students, and parents. None of us had ever done anything like this before. I train people how to react to trauma in the military; but how do you do it with kids after a massacre in their school? I was the lead trainer for the counselors and clergy the night after the shootings, and the following day we debriefed the teachers in groups. Then the counselors and clergy, working with the teachers, debriefed the students, allowing them to work through everything that had happened. Only people who share a trauma can give each other the understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness needed to understand what happened, and then they can begin the long process of trying to understand why it happened. Virus of violence To understand the why behind Jonesboro and Springfield and Pearl and Paducah, and all the other outbreaks of this "virus of violence," we need to understand first the magnitude of the problem. The per capita murder rate doubled in this country between 1957--when the fbi started keeping track of the data--and 1992. A fuller picture of the problem, however, is indicated by the rate people are attempting to kill one another--the aggravated assault rate. That rate in America has gone from around 60 per 100,000 in 1957 to over 440 per 100,000 by the middle of this decade. As bad as this is, it would be much worse were it not for two major factors. First is the increase in the imprisonment rate of violent offenders. The prison population in America nearly quadrupled between 1975 and 1992. According to criminologist John J. DiIulio, "dozens of credible empirical analyses . . . leave no doubt that the increased use of prisons averted millions of serious crimes." If it were not for our tremendous imprisonment rate (the highest of any industrialized nation), the aggravated assault rate and the murder rate would undoubtedly be even higher. Children don't naturally kill; they learn it from violence in the home and most pervasively, from violence as entertainment in television, movies, and interactive video games. The second factor keeping the murder rate from being any worse is medical technology. According to the U.S. Army Medical Service Corps, a wound that would have killed nine out of ten soldiers in World War II, nine out of ten could have survived in Vietnam. Thus, by a very conservative estimate, if we had 1940-level medical technology today, the murder rate would be ten times higher than it
[CTRL] Fwd: The Rothschild Illuminati family (http://x43.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=45780...
This came from a search of the name leroy springs in deja.com I suppose your friend alex is also called "Born Again" as well as [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://x43.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=457808897.18CONTEXT=927286434.265617548hi tnum=4 The Rothschilds are one of the most well-known of the thirteen families. David J. Smith of Portland was asked to prepare an article on the Rothschilds for this newsletter. His article follows this introduction. Satans selective breeding program has been continuing down through the ages hidden from the eyes of the public. One of the most powerful Rothschild bloodline families in America are the Springs. The Springs were originally the Springsteins when they came to America in the mid-I 1700s and settled in NY and NJ. They later changed their name from Springstein to Springs to hide their identity. Leroy Springs was hired by LC. Payseur. Now most Americans have to ask, who is L.C. Payseur? One of the most secret and most powerful families in North America has been the Payseurs. They have been so powerful that they could hide their wealth and power, and use other Satanic families as proxies. The Payseurs are part of the 13th top Illuminati family. The first Payseur to come to America was the former crown prince of France Daniel Payseur (1785-1860). He came over about 1805 to the U.S. and married Susannah Kiser c. 1814. They had two boys Adam and Jonas (1819-1884). Jonas married Harrietta Smith and they had Lewis Cass Payseur (1850-1939). [Note from LJM: He must have been named after Lewis Cass, who was a governor and probably an agent for the family. My theory is that the Scottish Rite was operating out of South Carolina in both the North and South of the U.S. and its territories, and especially the lands belonging to France and Spain, long before Lewis Cass Payseur was born. But the Southern Jurisdiction didn't get much impetus until the Civil War. Most of the railroad men (I assume Cass was one) were fronting for capitalist investors who remained anonymous. When bonds were not repaid as promised, assets were taken, but always by receivers, and always transferred to a new corporation with anonymous shareholders. The question is: to whom did the loyalty remain?] It was this Lewis Cass Payseur who hired the Rothschild bloodline of the Springs to run a number of the Payseurs companies. The Payseurs were one of the original big railroad families along with Issac Croom and William H. Beatty. Isaac Crooms wife was a sister of William Beattys, so the reader can see how all these elite bloodlines intertwine. Remember that LC. Payseur hired Leroy Springs to operate a host of his companies. Leroy Springs father was A.A. Springs and A.A. Springs was the secret father of Abraham Lincoln. In 1808, Nancy Hanks, of the lineage of the McAdden Scottish family visited expanded version from: http://x43.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=457808897CONTEXT=927286434.265617548hitnu m=4 One of the most powerful Rothschild bloodline families in America are the Springs. The Springs were originally the Springsteins when they came to America in the mid-I 1700s and settled in NY and NJ. They later changed their name from Springstein to Springs to hide their identity. Leroy Springs was hired by LC. Payseur. Now most Americans have to ask, who is L.C. Payseur? One of the most secret and most powerful families in North America has been the Payseurs. They have been so powerful that they could hide their wealth and power, and use other Satanic families as proxies. The Payseurs are part of the 13th top Illuminati family. The first Payseur to come to America was the former crown prince of France Daniel Payseur (1785-1860). He came over about 1805 to the U.S. and married Susannah Kiser c. 1814. They had two boys Adam and Jonas (1819-1 884). Jonas married Harrietta Smith and they had Lewis Cass Payseur (1850-1939). It was this Lewis Cass Payseur who hired the Rothschild bloodline of the Springs to run a number of the Payseur s companies. The Payseurs were one of the original big railroad families along with Issac Croom and William H. Beatty. Isaac Crooms wife was a sister of William Beattys, so the reader can see how all these elite bloodlines intertwine. Remember that LC. Payseur hired Leroy Springs to operate a host of his companies. Leroy Springs father was A.A. Springs and A.A. Springs was the secret father of Abraham Lincoln. In 1808, Nancy Hanks, of the lineage of the McAdden Scottish family visited some of her famIly at Lincolnton, N.C. Nancy Hawks visited the Springs family and that is when A.A. Springs impregnated her, and her child when born was named Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincolns Rothschild blood was kept very secret, but he did grow up to be a famous lawyer, a secret leader of the Rosicrucians, and President of the United States. It is believed from the evidence that the establishment conspiracy concocted the person of Thomas Lincoln out of thin air. The actual early history
[CTRL] Fwd: The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #91
The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #91 - May 21, 1999 A Publication of the Drug Reform Coordination Network PLEASE COPY AND DISTRIBUTE (To sign off this list, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line "signoff drc-natl" in the body of the message, or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. To subscribe to this list, visit http://www.drcnet.org/signup.html.) This issue can be also be read on our web site at http://www.drcnet.org/wol/091.html. Check out the DRCNN weekly radio segment at http://www.drcnet.org/drcnn/. If you haven't yet signed the following legislative petition alerts, please visit them and join the thousands who have -- and be sure to use the Tell Your Friends page to get the word out to as many reform supporters as possible! Asset Forfeiture Reform: http://www.drcnet.org/forfeiture/ HEA Drug Provision: http://www.RaiseYourVoice.com/ TABLE OF CONTENTS 1. Two-Year Anniversary of Hernandez Shooting http://www.drcnet.org/wol/091.html#esequiel 2. Legislation in Alaska Will Restrict State's Medical Marijuana Law http://www.drcnet.org/wol/091.html#sb94 3. Australia: Police Force Closure of Safe Injection Room http://www.drcnet.org/wol/091.html#closure 4. Somali-Canadian Community Under Attack by Khat Enforcers http://www.drcnet.org/wol/091.html#somalis 5. Canadian Medical Group Wants Doctors to Prescribe More Pain Meds http://www.drcnet.org/wol/091.html#painmeds 6. Higher Education Act Reform Campaign Update http://www.drcnet.org/wol/091.html#heacampaign 7. Conviction of Juror in Nullification Case Overturned http://www.drcnet.org/wol/091.html#jurors 8. New York: No Rockefeller Reform This Year, Presentations in Westchester Area by ReconsiDer http://www.drcnet.org/wol/091.html#nyreform 9. EDITORIAL: Growing Pains http://www.drcnet.org/wol/091.html#editorial 1. Two-Year Anniversary of Hernandez Shooting Residents of the border town of Redford, Texas, mourned yesterday the two-year anniversary of the fatal shooting of Esequiel Hernandez by US Marines on anti-drug patrol. Hernandez was 18 at the time of his death, and was out herding the family sheep when he was tracked and killed by a camouflaged, four-marine patrol on the lookout for drug smugglers and illegal aliens. Hernandez was carrying an old .22 rifle that he used to scare off snakes and other predators. The killing was the first of an American citizen by an active duty soldier. Rev. Mel LaFolette, a resident of Redford, and a member of a delegation that visited Washington after the shooting in 1997, told the Week Online, "The community is still outraged at what happened. Even though there's been a payment of money by the government, no one believes that justice has been done." Rev. LaFolette believes, "it's both a complete irresponsi- bility and recklessness at the level of administration and poor training, but I believe the individuals also have some responsibility for what happened. There's plenty of guilt to go around." Some observers believe the Marines acted according to their training, but were deployed on a type of mission -- civilian law enforcement -- for which the military is wholly unsuited, causing them to make a complete misreading of the situation, leading to the tragedy. Residents are also angered by the way the Border Patrol characterized their community to the Marine patrollers -- full of narcotraffickers, a hostile entity, be suspicious of everybody. "We were slandered by the Border Patrol," said LaFolette. Nevertheless, the Border Patrol has made "no apology for the calumniation of the people of Redford." LaFolette remarked that "everybody on the border, including tourists, fits the [Border Patrol's] description of a drug trafficker," explaining, "Any tourist with a backpack first the description. A woman with a plastic bag of groceries fits the description." We've been told, but have not confirmed, that a demonstra- tion will take place this Saturday (5/22), noon, in the park straddling El Paso and its sister city across the border, Juarez, Mexico. To confirm, and for information, call the Immigration Law Enforcement Monitoring Project (ILEMP) El Paso office at (915) 577-0724. The following is a statement from the American Friends Service Committee (of which ILEMP is a project), followed by an excerpt from ILEMP director Maria Jimenez's comments to In-Motion magazine, the statement of Rep. James Traficant (D-OH) supporting legislation he introduced that would dramatically increase the level of militarization of the border, and links to extensive background information on the Hernandez tragedy and an online photo gallery in memory of Esequiel Hernandez and the tragedy. STATEMENT OF THE AMERICAN FRIENDS SERVICE COMMITTEE Today, the American Friends Service Committee remembers Esequiel Hernandez, Jr. of Redford, Texas. On this day two years ago, Hernandez, an 18 year old goatherd, was
[CTRL] Fwd: Saudi School Shooting
Student Opens Fire at Saudi School RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) -- A student opened fire on his classmates and teacher at a school in Saudi Arabia but no one was injured, a newspaper reported Thursday. The shooting Wednesday at the King Khalid High School in Tameer, near the capital Riyadh, apparently was sparked by a dispute between the student and some classmates, the Arabic language Al-Riyadh daily reported. The paper did not say what the dispute was about. The student asked for permission to leave the classroom for a few moments. ``A little later everyone was surprised to hear gunshots, and they were shocked when the gunman burst into the classroom and started firing at his classmates and their teacher,'' the paper reported. ``Everyone hid under their tables and chairs to avoid the shots.'' The student was apprehended by some teachers when he fled the school, and was handed over to the police. His age and other identification were not reported, but Saudi high schools cover roughly the same age group as U.S. high schools. School shootings are very rare in Saudi Arabia, a strict Muslim country with a low crime rate. Guns are illegal and very hard to obtain. The shooting comes about a month after the April 20 killings in Littleton, Colo., in which 15 people died, including a teacher and the two killers. Six students were hurt in a shooting Thursday at a Georgia high school.
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__ Stratfor's FREE Kosovo Crisis Center - http://www.stratfor.com/kosovo/crisis/ The most comprehensive coverage of the Kosovo Crisis anywhere on the Internet __ STRATFOR's Global Intelligence Update May 21, 1999 Baku Alleges Moscow Brokered Chinese Missile Sale to Armenia Summary: On May 18, Azerbaijan registered an official protest with Beijing, claiming that China sold Armenia eight Typhoon missiles in a deal brokered by Moscow. Recent military cooperation among Moscow, Beijing, and Armenia reveals that the CIS strategic alliance has been dramatically redrawn. This development could result in an intensification of already existing regional conflicts between the former member countries of the Soviet empire. Analysis: On May 18, Azerbaijan registered an official protest with Beijing, claiming that China sold eight Typhoon missiles (with a range of 37 miles) to Armenia. Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Tofig Zulfugarov further claimed that the weapons were sold to Armenia by an unnamed joint Sino-Russian company following a joint visit by Russian Defense Minister Igor Sergeyev and Armenian Defense Minister Vargen Sarkisyan to China. Azerbaijani authorities said that there are two possible explanations for how this deal took place: either the Chinese government has no control over heavy arms sales or Beijing is violating UN Security Council resolutions, which prohibit the sale of arms to conflict zones. In its response to Azerbaijan's allegations, the Chinese embassy in Azerbaijan said that it had no information regarding any Chinese arms deliveries to Armenia. The issue was also brought up at a meeting of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) Council of Defense Ministers, which is currently taking place in Armenia's capital, Yerevan. At the meeting, Armenian Defense Minister Vazgen Sarikisian denied Azerbaijan's allegation, saying it was "nonsense." Azerbaijan, which had made it clear earlier that it did not plan to extend its membership in the CIS Collective Security Treaty, is not participating in the meeting. Azerbaijan's Foreign Policy Adviser Vafa Guluzade said that his country would not participate given that the meeting was being held on Armenian territory. According to Guluzade, Russia has intentionally strengthened the CIS's security ties with Armenia, thereby alienating Azerbaijan. According to an Azerbaijani spokesman, further evidence of Russian intentions may be found in their selection of the site for the CIS security meeting. If, in fact, the China-Armenia arms deal was brokered by Moscow, it would highlight the dramatic shifts taking place within the CIS, and the degree of hostility that they have fueled. Earlier this year, three out of the nine original signatories of the 1992 CIS Collective Security Treaty -- Georgia, Uzbekistan, and Azerbaijan -- made it clear that they did not intend to continue as members in the alliance. The three former Soviet republics said they were dissatisfied with Moscow's dominant position and its policies toward the CIS. On May 20, only six CIS countries - - Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan confirmed their readiness to extend their membership in the alliance. The original treaty will expire this month. Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, and Georgia have already joined in a security alliance with Ukraine and Moldova, two CIS members that never joined the Security Treaty in the first place. That alliance operates under the auspices of NATO's Partnership for Peace program. In addition to the defections from the CIS, there are other indications that the alliance is crumbling. According to Guluzade, Russia had to deal repeatedly with Kazakhstan and Belarus's unwillingness at past CIS security council meetings to assist Russia with its military commitments in Tajikistan and Georgia. To counterbalance these tendencies that threaten to tear the CIS security alliance apart, Moscow is now openly reinforcing its politico-military ties with those CIS members that are still prepared to follow its lead. And as NATO becomes a central issue in the CIS division, Russia's confrontational behavior can only be expected to intensify. On May 21, NATO announced that it was considering Georgia as a possible candidate for associate membership in the alliance. This undoubtedly would encourage Azerbaijan, a country that had previously asked NATO to station its forces on its territory, to seek closer cooperation with the Western alliance. Russia is now playing an old game among the former Soviet republics: divide and, if not conquer, then at least develop a pivotal influence. By openly reinforcing its alliance with Armenia through the brokering of missile sales, Russia is seeking to reestablish its influence in the region. By pursuing relations with Azerbaijan and Georgia, NATO is doing the same. As tension escalates between Yerevan and Baku, Moscow and
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-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Another Crazy Clinton Coincidence Intimidation Campaign Suspected as Arkansas Clinic Razed Montreal Office Ransacked on Same Night The controversial story involving tainted plasma from Arkansas prisoners that was shipped to Canada in the 1980s while Bill Clinton was state governor has taken a mysterious and chilling new turn. Two crimes that occurred within hours of each other Tuesday night, hundreds of kilometres apart, have raised questions about whether someone is trying to intimidate or silence those who are asking questions about the prison-blood fiasco. In Pine Bluff, Arkansas, someone firebombed a prosthetics clinic owned by Michael Galster, who has been pushing hard for a U.S. government investigation. The clinic was burned to its shell and fire officials, who found a gas container in Mr. Galster's attic -- where he kept his documents -- say they're "90-per-cent sure" the fire was arson. In Montreal, someone broke into the offices of the Quebec chapter of the Canadian Hemophilia Society, which recently unearthed documents that showed Finance Minister Paul Martin was a board member of the corporation that owned Connaught Laboratories, the company that fractionated and distributed the Arkansas prison plasma in Canada. Hemophilia Society officials say thieves stole a computer and three telephones. They also stole documents from a box labeled "Hepatitis C, Krever Commission, Reform of the blood system, HIV-AIDS." Police are investigating both incidents. Mike McCarthy, a Canadian hemophiliac at the forefront of pushing for answers into the prison plasma scandal, says he's convinced the two crimes are connected. "It's too much of a coincidence," he said, adding that someone is worried Mr. Galster and the victims are probing too close to the truth. "They're trying to find out what we know and erase the trail if they can." "I think they're also sending a message. They're trying to scare us into backing off. They're trying to put the fear of God into us, that if we pursue the truth it can get worse. That the next action might not just be buildings and records." The RCMP are examining the prison-blood scheme as part of their criminal investigation into the tainted-blood scandal. RCMP Cpl. Gilles Moreau said yesterday that the Mounties are willing to review any evidence local police in Montreal and Arkansas uncover. "We do not work in a vacuum," said Cpl. Moreau. "If there's information that is linked to the blood distribution system for the period that we're investigating, we're certainly not going to close our eyes to that information. We welcome any information that comes our way." The story of how prison plasma was collected and found its way into the bloodstreams of unsuspecting Canadians stands as one of the most shocking aspects of the tainted-blood tragedy. It's not known how many Canadians contracted HIV and hepatitis C from the plasma of Arkansas prisoners, who were paid $7 a unit, although it's likely that several hundred people were infected by the tainted products. At the time, U.S. companies that fractionate blood products had stopped buying prison blood because it was widely understood that, since many inmates practised unsafe sex or were intravenous drug addicts, their blood posed a high risk of carrying the AIDS virus. In Arkansas, a private firm, Health Management Associates, was given a contract by the state government to collect the prisoners' plasma. The firm had difficulty locating a U.S. customer but found a willing buyer in a Montreal blood broker, Continental Pharma Cryosan, which then sold the plasma to Toronto-based Connaught Laboratories. Connaught apparently didn't realize the plasma had come from prisoners. Canadians learned of the prison plasma scheme in 1995, when Justice Horace Krever's inquiry unearthed some aspects of the story. Last September, the Citizen revealed further details. Also last fall, Mr. Galster went public with his accusations about the Arkansas prison system, where he conducted orthopedic clinics during the 1980s. Mr. Galster published a book, BLOOD TRAIL, which is a fictionalized account of how the prison-plasma program worked. He wrote under a pseudonym because he feared reprisals. Soon after media stories began appearing, he revealed his true identity. In February, he organized and participated in a news conference in Washington where Canadian victims called for a probe by the U.S. Justice Department and announced plans to depose Mr. Clinton. Mr. Galster said yesterday he is reeling with shock from the firebombing of his clinic, which he has owned for 21 years. He said he worked until about 8:30 p.m. Tuesday and was later called at home about the fire. "I'm trying not to get too paranoid about it. I pray to God that it was just a coincidence." Mr. Galster said that if someone is trying to silence him, it
[CTRL] The Illuminati Plan (New World Order)
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - Subject: The Illuminati Plan (New World Order) From: "Steven Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/21/99 2:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: 374592d5$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Excerpt from "The History of the Illuminati" by Myron Fagan -- Behind the United States and its Constitution is a small group of men whose sole objective is to enslave the whole world and humanity in their satanic plot for a one world govenment. Now to give you a very clear picture of this satanic plot, I will go back to its beginning, back to the middle of the 18th Century, and name the men who put that plot into action. This satanic plot was launched back in the 1760's when it first came into existence under the name of the Illuminati. This Illuminati was organized by one Adam Weishaupt who became a convert to Catholicism and later a Catholic priest. Then, at the request of the Financiers, he defected from the Catholic Church, and organized the Illuminati which was financed by the International Bankers. Every war since then, beginning with the French Revolution, has been promoted by the Illuminati operating under various names and guises. I say under various names and guises because, after the Illuminati was exposed and became too notorious, Weishaupt and his co-conspirators began to operate under various other names. But why did the world conspirators chose the word "Illuminati" for their satanic organization? Weishaupt himself said that the word is derived from Lucifer and means «holders of the light». The Luciferian conspiracy Weishaupt was a Jesuit-trained professor of Canon Law, teaching in Inglecot University, when he defected from Christianity to embrace the Luciferian conspiracy. This was in 1770. He began to write out the master plan that was designed to give the Synagogue of Satan, so named by Jesus Christ, ultimate world domination so they could impose the Luciferian ideology on what would remain of the human race after the final social cataclysm by use of satanic despotism. Weishaupt completed his task on May 1, 1776. (Communist nations continue to yearly conduct celebrations on May 1st in honor of this great event.) That was the day Weishaupt officially completed his plan which required the destruction of all existing governments and religions. That objective was to be reached by dividing the masses of people into opposing camps in ever increasing numbers on political, social, economic, and other issues, the very conditions we have in the United States today. The opposing sides were then to be armed, and incidents were to be provided which would cause them to fight and weaken themselves, gradually destroying national governments and religious institutions. The plan of operation The main features of the Weishaupt plan of operation required his Illuminati to do the following things to help them to accomplish their purpose: 1. Monetary and sex bribery was to be used to obtain control of men already in high places in the various levels of all governments and other fields of endeavor. Once influential persons had fallen for the lies, deceits, and temptations of the Illuminati, they were to be held in bondage by application of political and other forms of blackmail, threats of financial ruin, public exposure, and physical harm, even death to themselves and loved members of their families. 2. The Illuminati who were on the faculty of colleges and universities were to cultivate students possessing exceptional mental ability and who belonged to well-bred families with international leanings, and recommend them for special training in Internationalism. Such training was to be provided by granting scholarships, like the Rhodes Scholarship, to those selected by the Illuminati. All such scholars were to be first persuaded and then convinced that men of special talent and brains had the right to rule those less gifted on the grounds that the masses do not know what is best for them physically, mentally, and spiritually. 3. All influential people who were trapped to come under the control of the Illuminati, plus the students who had been specially educated and trained, were to be used as agents and placed behind the scenes of all governments as experts and specialists. They would advise the top executives to adopt policies which would, in the long run, serve the secret plans of the Illuminati's one world conspiracy, and bring about the destruction of the governments and religions they were elected or appointed to serve. 4. They were to obtain absolute control of the press so that all news and inforation could be slanted to convince the masses that a one world government is the only solution to our many and varied problems. They were also to own and control all the national radio and TV channels. After reading these four points of strategy, we have to admit that our mass communications media is controlled at all levels, and that at all levels
[CTRL] [2] Military Corruption/Drug Trafficking
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - Subject: Military Corruption/Drug Trafficking -- Pt.2 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Abemarf) Date: 5/21/99 2:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Colonel Sabow knew that Colonel Callahan had been ordered back to El Toro, and that the Marine Corps would have to pay for his commercial flight. Since Colonel Sabow had to come that way, he let Callahan know that he could make the flight back with him. So this "illegal flight" amounted to transporting a friend back to the base, and saving the Marine Corps money! The report also claimed that Captain Verducci voluntarily removed himself from the reinvestigations. Upon seeing this, Verducci was appalled. He told David that this was an outright lie. "I wanted to investigate this case to get to the bottom of it," he said. Commenting on the report, Verducci added, "Not only is this a mass of lies, it is a gross violation of law!" Irrefutable Evidence of Murder After ten months, David was finally able to obtain the autopsy report and other forensic materials. As he reviewed the material, he slowly began to understand why it had been withheld: The reports contained hard, irrefutable evidence of murder. These are some of the findings: Colonel Sabow was killed by a 12-gauge shotgun blast that made contact with the soft palate. This is difficult to fathom for two reasons. First, unlike the relatively insensitive hard palate, the soft palate reacts negatively to touch. Contact with the soft palate initiates a gag reflex in a conscious person. Second, the soft palate is narrow, causing David to wonder, "How could my brother have put the shotgun up against his soft palate, when the barrel is literally as wide as the soft palate?" This evidence suggests that Colonel Sabow was unconscious during the time of the shot. The autopsy report states that the brain was literally pulpified from the shooting. It was completely lacerated and turned to pulp. Yet, the autopsy report states that Colonel Sabow's lungs were filled with aspirated (inhaled) blood. This would indicate that the colonel was able to breathe without a brain or brain stem, an impossibility. Several minutes of coordinated breathing were necessary to fill the lungs with blood. After the brain was destroyed in this manner, the colonel would have been unable to take a single gasp. It proved that his brother was rendered unconscious and breathed for several minutes before the shooting destroyed his brain. The report indicated that there was no exit wound. Therefore, the entire explosive force of the 12-gauge discharge was contained within the confines of the skull itself, except for the "blowback" out the mouth. The fact that the entire explosive energy was contained in the brain and rendered the cervical spinal cord functionless precludes any chance of even a slight gasp, let alone several minutes of coordinated respirations. So it is far more likely that a powerful blow to the head rendered Sabow unconscious but breathing for several minutes before the shooting. Autopsy photos and interviews of Sally Sabow and Cheryl Baldwin, an NIS agent in charge of investigation, indicate a large bulge on the back of the colonel's head, an obvious sign of external trauma. The military has consistently denied this evidence. Colonel Sabow s fingerprints were not on the gun. Yet, he would have touched the gun several times in a suicide scenario. No blood was found on the gun or on any portion of the colonel's body below his upper chest. Yet, from the way he was discovered, it was assumed that the colonel shot himself while sitting in a patio chair. David states, "If he had bent over to stretch his right arm to discharge the weapon and to hold the gun barrel in his mouth with the left hand, the blowback would have drenched the intervening clothing. The posture would have placed his face with mouth open directly over his chest, torso, thighs, legs, and feet. But there was no blood below the chest, none over his bathrobe, none on his pajama bottoms, none over his athletic socks, and none on his slippers. But even more impossible and more ridiculous--not one drop of blood was on the gun!" Furthermore, photographs demonstrated that the ring and small finger of the left hand were covered with blood, but that there was absolutely none on the thumb, index, middle fingers, and back of his hand. If he held the gun in his mouth, his left hand, the back of the hand, thumb, and forearm, including the gun, would be covered with blood. David states that this is extremely important because the NIS said that Colonel Sabow was sitting in a lawn chair holding the gun in his mouth against the soft palate, his left hand grasping the barrel. He then supposedly reached down with his right hand to depress the trigger with his right thumb or index finger. If the weapon had been discharged in that position, blood would have blown back,
[CTRL] [1] Military Corruption/Drug Trafficking
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - Subject: Military Corruption/Drug Trafficking --Pt.1 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Abemarf) Date: 5/21/99 1:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE STRANGE DEATH OF COLONEL SABOW By Gary Null The official version of the colonel's death just doesn't add up. So his brother is left asking a number of questions: What happened? Is it possible that elements of every major department of government could have been involved in either incompetence or intentional malfeasance, including a coordinated coverup? And if the latter is the case, what could have been the motive? On the morning of January 22, 1991, neurologist Dr. David Sabow received a telephone call while he was at work in his office. The call was one that would change his life forever, and change his outlook on the integrity of parts of this country's military and political systems. It was from a Marine Corps chaplain, informing him that his older brother, Colonel James E. Sabow, had just committed suicide. At first, Dr. Sabow could not process the information. His thoughts were continually interrupted by snapshots of his brother Jimmy's life. And there was also this: David knew his brother so very well, and suicide was completely out of character for the man. Jimmy Sabow was a well-respected, highly intelligent, and extremely talented Marine officer, a man who had the ability to work as hard as he played and who demonstrated a strong devotion to his family. David recalls, "He was, without exaggeration, one of the best balanced individuals I've met in my life. So, I was immediately taken aback by the designation of suicide, simply because I knew my brother inside and out." As it turned out, there were logical holes in the official account of Colonel Sabow's so-called suicide. These, combined with the discrepancy between what Dr. Sabow knew his brother to be and the idea of the man committing suicide, led Dr. Sabow into an investigation of his brother's death. He knew in his heart he could do no less. Colonel Sabow's "suicide" and its aftermath have turned up far-ranging ramifications. As this special in-depth investigation will show, an unreported secret network of CIA agents was involved in illicit drug traffic from Mena, Arkansas, and dozens of other small airports around the country, the illegal sale of C-130 aircraft from the Forest Service, and the untimely deaths of investigative reporters and pilots. These agents were also involved with one of the largest drug trafficking operations coming into the country and illegal arms going out of the country. Events Leading to Colonel Sabow's Death Dr. Sabow begins his account of the events preceding his brother's death in late 1990. That was when Chief of Staff Colonel Joseph Underwood came under investigation, allegedly as the result of an anonymous phone call to the Department of Defense's fraud and abuse hotline. While Colonel Sabow was in Minneapolis due to a family crisis, he received a phone call from Colonel Underwood. They discussed the fact that the Inspector General of the Marine Corps, Hollis Davison, and three assistants, had arrived on base, in El Toro, California. Underwood stated that he (Underwood) was under investigation for the illegal use of government aircraft. After the call, Colonel Sabow explained to his brother David that Underwood's investigation probably had to do with taking some golf clubs along on a training flight. When David asked if this was a serious offense, Jimmy replied that it wasn't; it was, in fact, rather commonplace. When you went out on a training flight, he explained to the doctor, you took equipment with you. If you played tennis, you took tennis rackets; if you read, you took books; and if you were a golfer, you took golf clubs. Jimmy went on to explain that Colonel Underwood was a champion golfer who played in Marine Corps tournaments. At this point, James did not seem to be overly concerned. The Inspector General's visit took place in the middle of Operation Desert Shield and right at the beginning of Desert Storm. Why the Marine Corps would send the Inspector General's team to the California base at that particular time to investigate Underwood for taking golf clubs along on a flight remains a mystery, for, after all, Underwood was chief of staff. On January 12, 1991, Colonel Underwood was relieved of his duties as chief of staff. A day later, Colonel Sabow returned to El Toro, and learned of Underwood's dismissal. He called his close friend Bill Callahan. Both men were sure that something else was going on because many of the allegations seemed trivial, commonplace, and not at all deserving of dismissal. In the days following Underwood's dismissal, many officers were interviewed, but Colonel Sabow was not one of them. He found it odd that no one was talking to him. On January 16, General W.T. Adams informed Colonel Sabow that he, Sabow, was under
[CTRL] [3] Military Corruption/Drug Trafficking
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - Subject: Military Corruption/Drug Trafficking -- Conclusion From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Abemarf) Date: 5/21/99 2:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He actually gave the information to the sheriff's department, and they were supposed to have turned it over to other authorities, including the DEA. But nothing has been passed along. Also of interest is the fact that Barbee was interviewed by the FBI months ago, and has heard nothing from them since that time. Some say that Barbee was arrested because of his insight into Colonel Sabow's death and his knowledge of covert government operations. Not surprisingly, Barbee fears for his life. "There is a lot of corruption here in Fontana," he says. "I am going up against a DA who has prostituted his position, and a judge who has prostituted his. The judge has eliminated evidence, and has lied about it. I am scared. I fear for my life, and my wife fears for hers. She has had to move. I need help, and I just pray that I can get it." Other Casualties of the Sabow Affair The following additional individuals connected to the Sabow affair have met with strange misfortunes. Evidently, they knew too much. Randy Robinson, the MP who witnessed evidence tampering at the death scene, was arrested two months after the murder, and charged with rape. The charge was then changed to the lesser one of adultery, for which he has served a six-month sentence. Captain Verducci, who acted in Robinson's defense, felt that the whole affair was bizarre, because the alleged victims did not file a complaint and refused to testify in court. Archibald Scott, a highly decorated colonel who heard Colonel Sabow exclaim to Underwood that "Quitters never win and winners never quit," was accused of impersonating an officer. Scott took the case to court, and the decision has been reversed in his favor. Captain Leslie Williams worked for Colonel Sabow and thought highly of him. She openly protested derogatory remarks against him. Despite a highly rated performance and recommendations for promotion by Colonel Sabow, Williams was "passed over" by the military and had to "get out." Provost Marshall Goodrow and deputy, Forquer, were the first on the scene when Sabow died. Both were given new assignments in the summer of 1991. One was sent to Okinawa and the other to Twenty-Nine Palms. They were "short-termed." Jack Chisom, the co-owner of TG Aviation, who supplied C-130 and DC-7 operations in the Persian Gulf, was found dead in the Arizona desert as the result of a hit-and-run accident. "Kevin," a marine who retired in the summer of 1994, was at the home of some friends when ®MDBR¯Eye-to-Eye With Connie Chung®MDNM¯ appeared on television. The program contained a segment on the death of Colonel Sabow and included a reference to large quantities of drugs being delivered to military bases, and an interview with a pilot who was involved in these flights. The group of people watching the program were astounded. "Kevin" assured them that everything they saw was true. He himself had been ordered to load vast quantities of drugs onto airplanes with the idea that drugs would be used for sting operations. He was not supposed to discuss the matter with anyone. Later, David Sabow learned of him and tried to reach "Kevin" for an interview. Five days later, a secret source told him "Kevin's" place of work and his unlisted phone number, but "Kevin" was dead. He was found hanging from the rafters of his parents' barn. Tom Wade was a computer specialist who accessed confidential records for the Inspector General during his bogus investigation in January 1991. He found that the MWR files had been purged, including contracts with proprietary airlines, which are suspected of being involved in illegal C-130 acquisitions and illicit drug traffic. Wade's brutal death remains a mystery. He was shot in the head early on Christmas Day, 1994, as he was returning from Midnight Mass. As Wade's colleague at El Toro, computer installation chief Felix Segovia, explains, Wade was a single parent living in an apartment complex. "He had a small daughter. He was going home Christmas Eve from services. He was on his way home to pick up some gifts to take back to the church...to give out to the kids, and he was accosted by a couple of individuals in the parking lot of his complex, and shot in the back of the head, execution-style. Nothing was taken from his car. His daughter was left in the car crying. And no one saw anything. And until 6 in the morning when finally someone heard his daughter crying, it was never reported to the police." Sergeant Felix Segovia is awaiting court-martial. He was a close friend of Tom Wade's, and had filed a "wholesale theft of computer equipment" report after having found that hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of computers, hardware, and software were missing from the El Toro
[CTRL] Teachers Shoot Pupils in S. Africa
-Caveat Lector- Teachers Shoot Pupils in S. Africa DURBAN, South Africa, May 21, 1999 (AP Online via COMTEX) -- A teacher and principal opened fire on angry high school students in South Africa, killing one pupil and injuring two others, police said today. The shootings happened Thursday at a high school about 30 miles south of Durban after teachers refused to give students refunds for a field trip. The students had paid $1.60 but were told the cost was only $1.30. Students began throwing stones, and the principal and a teacher opened fire, police Director Bala Naidoo said. The principal and teacher were charged with murder and attempted murder and were released on $160 bail each, said Mandla Msibi, a spokesman for the Education Department in KwaZulu-Natal province, where the shootings occurred. ''It's shocking because these things you see on TV, now it's happening in our area,'' said Msibi. ''We're calling on everyone to be calm and let the law take its course.'' The shooting was the latest incidence of violence at a school in South Africa, which is experiencing a crime wave. A month ago, an elementary school principal was shot to death outside her office at a school in Soweto, near Johannesburg. The assailants stole her money, jewelry and car. Copyright 1999 Associated Press, All rights reserved. -0- News provided by COMTEX. [!AFRICA] [!COMMUNITY] [!EMERGING+MARKETS] [!INTERNATIONAL] [!WORLD+AFFAIRS] [AFRICA] [APO] [CRIME] [EDUCATION] [FIRE] [HIGH+SCHOOL] [MONEY] [MURDER] [NEWS] [NEWSGRID] [ONLINE] [POLICE] [SOUTH+AFRICA] -- --- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml --- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Diana Reversal
-Caveat Lector- Sounds to me like "The adults teach the children to kill" Kirimaku -Original Message- This is a reversal from a lady who used to work for Princess Diana, talking about her children. I am having a hard time deciphering what it says. ;^);^);^) http://www.anomalous-images.com/dianarev_3.ram Regards, Steve Steve Wingate DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 21 May 1999 10:56:06 GMT, in alt.paranet.skeptic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article 7i1942$21a$[EMAIL PROTECTED], "ric carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # Flock Of Mystery Balloons Puzzles Cops. TOKYO (Reuters) - : What would you like put into balloons to float over Japan? Do you think these objects are of human, alien, divine or demonic origin? Doing a search at http://home.kyodo.co.jp/ on "balloons" brings up a photo and caption: Photo shows a balloon of unknown origin found May 18 in Ageo, Saitama Prefecture, north of Tokyo. More than 10 such balloons were found in eastern, central and western Japan the same day. The vinyl balloons each carried a plastic container with a dry battery and a ''timer-like device,'' police said. == Kyodo --AGEO (Kyodo) Is anyone missing the obvious? What a wonderfully cheap and effective way to distribute biological warfare agents! Is Korea, in its current economic crisis, testing ways to take out its biggest competitor? N.B. on the effectiveness... judging by the dimensions given in the Reuters story and matching that to the picture, the containers are about a 1.5 feet long. Although the ballons themselves would have an almost non-existent radar signature, filling those canisters with liquid and getting them into a fair sized cluster (the report mentioned a group of ten) would probaly show up as a blip on someone's screen. It might be shrugged off as a flock of really fat seagulls, or it might not. ** try SkeptiChat, a mail.list of irreverence irrelevance, etc ** * with SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question (Pat.Pend) * * email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Singularity: death or ascension?
-Caveat Lector- On 20 May 1999 13:35:15 GMT, in alt.paranet.skeptic "Luminator" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Within thirty years, we will have the technological means to create superhuman intelligence. Shortly after, the human era will be ended". --Vernor Vinge, The Singularity Perhaps some of you already know about Vinge's article (it is widely available online), but have you ever considered the true implications of a technological Singularity in the relatively near future? Human civilization will almost certainly end, one way or another, within the lifetime of most people who read this. Either we destroy ourselves accidentally or due to warfare, or we'll get superseded and made obsolete by our own creations, the AIs. Or...we'll redesign ourselves, merge with our machines and become potentially immortal, near- omnipotent, auto-evolving superbeings. This last scenario would require an active effort, of course, as the odds are against us (if current trends in computing continue, which is plausible, AIs will likely achieve superhuman intelligence before we do). If you're interested in such an effort, you may want to check out the following web page: http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com//kuwait/557/index.html If you think this sounds like silly science fiction, think again. The technologies which will power the Singularity are already well under development (see the links at the site). It is a virtually *inevitable* result of progress, a logical consequence of ever increasing complexity. To think that the future will be something like The Jetsons, Star Trek or even Blade Runner is extremely naive. The Terminator may be more on the mark, though in reality the machines would soon be infinitely more advanced than humans, and would have no problem with getting rid of them. No fancy schemes involving time travel needed for that. Something like The Matrix? By no means radical (or pessimistic, from the human pov) enough. In reality, the future will be so radically different due to the influence of superintelligence, that we can't, by definition, make any acurate predictions about it. One thing is certain though: if mankind becomes obsolete, it is hard to imagine that its future will be bright. As we are all under a biological death sentence and therefore can't afford to stop progress (if we, as individuals, want to survive), there is only one rational course of action: try to *become* the Singularity (by becoming superintelligent, preferable by means of mind uploading), and thus take matters into your own hands. As such a project would obviously be too difficult for just one person, cooperation will be required to gather the necessary wealth and technology to transcend. See the website for more info (on how to get involved, etc.). ** try SkeptiChat, a mail.list of irreverence irrelevance, etc ** * with SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question (Pat.Pend) * * email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Serbian Cartoonist: Down on Earth
-Caveat Lector- From: "Sasa Rakezic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Down on Earth Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:13:38 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Status: Sasa Rakezic P.F. 163 26000 Pancevo Yugoslavia (Serbia) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] May 20th 1999 Hello to all! Yesterday, shortly before his visit to Serbia, Russia's official Victor Chernomidin said that he is coming to Belgrade to settle down negotiations, even though his government have the informations that various points of the city will be bombed by NATO the same evening. Shortly after his plane went back to Russia, there was a series of detonations coming from the direction of Belgrade. I was able to see a very intense activity of the Antiaircraft Defenses, as well, and even the eerie flight of cruising missiles. All kind of detonations were audible for hours, and - for the first time, I even saw what I think was the launching of the projectile from the aircraft positioned somewhere up there in the sky Among the results of the last night attacks was another case of NATO projectile missing its target ( as later admitted by NATO officials) and hit the Hospital in a part of the town called Topcider!... Direct hit ruined the "intensive care" ward at the Neurology Center, killing three patients, and injuring more of them, as well as some medical workers... In one the wards, an operation was still going on when the projectile hit the building. Bloody sheets and smashed medical equipment all over the place, an urgent evacuation going on immediately after the bombing... A drama went on. All over Serbia, most of the patients who were not seriously ill were already sent to their homes, which means that those who were still left in the Hospitals really needed a medical care... Tonight, few hours ago, NATO has bombed a fuel tank in Belgrade. After detonation, a glass broke at the windows of the near-by Residency of Swiss Embassy, where there was a meeting held, in honor of its country's Independence Day. One of the officials invited was the Swedish Ambassador. Ironically, it was a Swedish Embassy that was damaged yesterday, during the bombing of the Hospital in Topcider. Today, I spoke to a friend about the pilots of the aircrafts that are sent to bomb our land... It really must be a hard job... I guess that every land, viewed from the air, looks beautiful, and the pilots have to drop bombs, right on the towns and people bellow, and risk their lives for some reason that is more or less abstract to themIn a way, they are the victims of this war, just like those tiny little people down on earth. See you Sasa DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990521b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No attorneys were hurt during production of this bulletin, unfortunately. * SKEPTINEWS CONTRIBUTORS/EDITORS WANTED NOW * KEEP THIS BULLETIN COMING * _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Unmanned warfare may be on horizon. An old peacenik lament asked: What if they gave a war and nobody came? The Pentagon is at work solving at least half of that conundrum. The next war we're in we may not come. We'll send the robots instead. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,11938,00.html : Would you rather wage war with humans, robots? Would you rather be killed by humans, robots, demons, aliens? Can robots be trained to zap only robots? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # U.S. more vulnerable to disasters than ever. WASHINGTON (AP) Shortsighted development policies have increased America's vulnerability to major natural disasters rather than lessening it. "We are responsible for the losses in future disasters. It is not God. It is not nature. WE make the decisions on what to put in harm's way." Fundamental flaw in the way we try to solve the problem of natural disasters. www.bergen.com/morenews/doom20199905206.htm : Can you be protected from disaster? How? Do your self-protective efforts leave you open to other bad shit? Can you ward off floods, fires, plagues, quakes, economics, locusts, aliens, militias, cults, Techno-Goths, art, me? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Bangladesh woman flogged to death. DHAKA (AP) - A woman died after an Islamic cleric ordered her buried to the waist in mud and flogged 101 times with a bamboo cane for having premarital sex and inducing an abortion. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559620315-f7f : Does your belief system promote execution of sexual miscreants? Would you execute somebody who had good sex, bad sex, any sex? Do the voices in your head tell you who to execute? Would you mind if God told me to kill you? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ The real Y2K bug: Forget your computer - worry about the wacko down the street. When the media amplifier is held by guys like Art Bell, be very afraid. Apocalyptic mania - Eschatological terrorism - Millennial fraud - Millennial echoes: www.salon1999.com/tech/feature/1999/05/18/real_y2k/ : Are some humans programmed to self-destruct? Are you? Who will you take with you when you blow? Do you have a deadline? What's your doom calendar? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # CIH VIRUS ANTIDOTE AUTHOR DEFENDS PROGRAM. A 21-year-old Bangladeshi student who invented an antidote for the CIH, or Chernobyl, virus has declared that his software is safe, despite concern about the program voiced by professional antivirus authors. Author says software is safe: http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9905/20/antidote.idg/index.html : Have you written any virus programs lately, safe or unsafe? Have you set them loose yet? Did the voices in your head tell you how? Would you rather write virii, cut crop circles, get a new implant, consort with demons, sue? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** House OKs land treaty restrictions. WASHINGTON (AP) Congress moved to grab veto power over UN land designations, with supporters saying such int- ernational actions threaten property rights of Americans. The bill, opposed by the administration and with poor prospects in the Senate, would require congressional consent before any federal land can be included in an inter- national land reserve. It is aimed specifically at 2 UN programs - Biosphere Reserves and World Heritage areas. Supporters say the Constitution gives Congress alone the authority to manage federal lands, that decisions on land use are "a responsibility of Congress, not some U.N. committee of unelected bureaucrats." www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559621127-851 : What international agencies would you like to give national land to? Would you prefer to give land to foreigners, Zeta Reticulans, corporations, me? Is there a Congressional plot to bulldoze biosphere reserves heritage areas? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiShorts # Bulletproof Email for the Masses. The privacy benefits of fully encrypted email hover just out of reach of all but the techno-literate. But Hushmail is out to change that. www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/19804.html @ Web Museum, Yes, But Is It Art? America's most reputable museums are collecting and showcasing Web art online. Why isn't the Museum of Web Art doing the same? http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/19783.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: # Book discloses Clinton secrets - widespread concern in the intelligence community: www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559620772-118 # Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke questioned about payment: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559622004-091 @ Trained to Kill - how today's media
Re: [CTRL] [SC] Re: Skeptic News - Thursday #1
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Chuck Steel [EMAIL PROTECTED] ric carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] forwarded: Is anyone missing the obvious? What a wonderfully cheap and effective way to distribute biological warfare agents! Is Korea, in its current economic crisis, testing ways to take out its biggest competitor? If I'm not mistaken, weren't the containers empty? Have there been any reports of illness in Japan? Maybe the payload was already delivered. OK, North Korea, in collusion with the Aum Supreme Truth cult, has airlifted biowar components into Japan, to prepare a tabula rasa for (choose one): invasion; armageddon; redevelopment; redecoration. If contagious/infectious agents were used, we can expect to start seeing casualities in Japan first, then in lands where Japanese air travelers have visited, especially Singapore, Australia, California, Hawaii. Plot the body counts... This wouldn't be the first time the balloons were used like this. I remember seeing a TV show about how the Japanese would put bombs on balloons and set them going towards America during WWII. Not many made it, but I believe there was one family that was killed by one. I recall some mention of something like that - "Santa Barbara" pops up in my recollection. And of course a number of western forest fires were started by balloon-borne incendiary devices of unknown origin in recent years. The devices, self-firing Molotov cocktails, are cheap and easy to construct: put a sealed vial (of potassium permanganate dissolved in sulfuric acid) into a glass container (of sugar dissolved in gasoline). Put the device inside a balloon; inflate with helium; release onto the wind; observe the fun. ** HEY KIDS - DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME ** perfunctory disclaimer There are many other ways to disrupt modern societies with balloons, especially mylar ones, but we won't go into that right now, will we? * no airport radars were overloaded during production of this message * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Major Newspaper Admits an ET-War//Greys vs. Nordics!!
-Caveat Lector- On 21 May 1999 07:14:14 GMT, in alt.paranet.ufo "Art Wholeflaffer A.S.A." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SPACE CREATURES BATTLING FOR PUERTO RICO WEST SUSSEX, England (Wireless Flash) - There may be an answer to recent reports of "flying saucers" engaging in aerial dogfights over Puerto Rico. A British UFO researcher claims the sightings are actually two rival alien factions waging war to see who will get control of the island. Raymond Robinson says the war involves the so-called "gray" aliens and a humanoid race called "the Nordics." According to Robinson, the war broke out because the United States government secretly traded Puerto Rico to the gray aliens more than 40 years ago in exchange for ET technology. What the government didn't know back then was that the gray aliens are planning to colonize Earth with alien hybrids. Robinson claims the US has enlisted the help of the Nordic aliens to squash the gray aliens, but so far there's no clear winner in the battle. A spokesman for the Puerto Rican Tourism Bureau says he's unaware of any extraterrestrial wars being waged on the island- but he promises to look into it. Copyright © 1998 Wireless Flash News Service ** try SkeptiChat, a mail.list of irreverence irrelevance, etc ** * with SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question (Pat.Pend) * * email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Senate bans some bomb making info from the Internet
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 9:17 AM Subject: FC: Senate bans some bomb making info from the Internet Remember that Sen. Feinstein has been at this for years: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/digital/daily/0,2822,592,00.html http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/digital/daily/0,2822,14079,00.html -Declan Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:33:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: no bomb making info for the Net, thanks to "trenchcoat hysteria" Declan, Dang, after caving on gun control, this little freedom of speech thing is nothing big. Senate blasts bomb-making info on Net By Courtney Macavinta Staff Writer, CNET News.com May 19, 1999, 1 p.m. PT URL: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,36785,00.html Distributing bomb-making information on the Net would be illegal in most cases under Senate legislation being debated in the wake of the killings at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, and a rash of subsequent threats at campuses around the country. Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:09:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bomb teaching amendment language Declan, Interestingly enough, you can't read about the bomb info amendment on Thomas, but you have to sneak over to the GPO and read it in the Congressional Record. Sec. 402 is part of Amendment S.AMDT.353 to S.254, agreed to by an 85-13 vote (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/vote1061/vote_00123.html). BTW, S.AMDT.351 (sponsored by Sen Allard) also added to S.254 routes around the first Amendment by OKing religious observances of school violence memorials. Here is the language of the bomb teaching amendment: SEC. 402. CRIMINAL PROHIBITION ON DISTRIBUTION OF CERTAIN INFORMATION RELATING TO EXPLOSIVES, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. (a) Unlawful Conduct.--Section 842 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: ``(p) Distribution of Information Relating to Explosives, Destructive Devices, and Weapons of Mass Destruction.-- ``(1) Definitions.--In this subsection: ``(A) The term `destructive device' has the same meaning as in section 921(a)(4). ``(B) The term `explosive' has the same meaning as in section 844(j). ``(C) The term `weapon of mass destruction' has the same meaning as in section 2332a(c)(2). ``(2) Prohibition.--It shall be unlawful for any person-- ``(A) to teach or demonstrate the making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass destruction, or to distribute by any means information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, with the intent that the teaching, demonstration, or information be used for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence; or ``(B) to teach or demonstrate to any person the making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass destruction, or to distribute to any person, by any means, information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, knowing that such person intends to use the teaching, demonstration, or information for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence.''. (b) Penalties.--Section 844 of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- (1) in subsection (a), by striking ``person who violates any of subsections'' and inserting the following: ``person who-- ``(1) violates any of subsections''; (2) by striking the period at the end and inserting ``; and''; (3) by adding at the end the following: ``(2) violates subsection (p)(2) of section 842, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.''; and (4) in subsection (j), by striking ``and (i)'' and inserting ``(i), and (p)''. -Thomas Thomas Edwards The Sync [EMAIL PROTECTED] Video for the Net Generation http://www.thesync.com 312 Laurel Avenue 1.301.438.7281 Laurel, MD 20707 -- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ -- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing!
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Trained to Kill (http://www.christianity.net/ct/8T9/
-Caveat Lector- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Trained to Kill (http://www.christianity.net/ct/8T9/
-Caveat Lector- These kids are being controlled by drugs, and trained to kill just as they train Pavlov's dogsand the military K 9 Choir...one word, can trigger off a killer, and a sudden memory lapse. The drugs used are in pill form and can be had at any military base where pilots suffer from jet lag.and of course, numrous other drugs like a pot of manna, is at this point the Holy Grail of pot. Our military has been running drugs for nearly 30 years..some do, and some do not...remember Buttons, flying into the mountain and the missing bombsreally. Did he have a mental lapse because of the use of drugs. Was he also programmed? Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Senate bans some bomb making info from the Internet
-Caveat Lector- Well then, why do they not ban fireworks as well..if you can make a firecracker and rocket, you can make a bomb. We just had a local man killed some years back along with a little kid injured, due to a 4th of July celebration that turned into a disaster when the fireworks explodedthe impact shook my house, less then a half mile away. Now the information placed on the internet comes from a book..maybe the libraries should take a good look at some of their books, rather than spend half their time in the "black culture" sections where they now have books on voo doo for the kiddiesspecial African week. Why not special Irish Week, or German Week, or Serbian Week.. This country is sick, but the sicknes did not begin with the people in it - it began the day JFK was murdered in the streets of Dallas, the last President of the United Sttes. If you want to see the sickness, look not only at the kids at Littleton, but their Superintendent and Principal and in particular, the teacher with a son who was a "porn" movie starmovie star? And Clinton is getting a big kick out of the whole thing is he not...while he assisted in genocide by selling AIDS infected blood from which he obviously took a profit, sending bombs to kill children in Serbiaand you wonder why the children are kill happy? But remember, their mentor - they use the drugs to get the control, and then set the programmed killers loose upon the innocents. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Senate bans some bomb making info from the Interne t
-Caveat Lector- Just another way to try and justify censorship. The two things the NWO elitists hate is the Internet and short-wave radio. Why? Because we run the information, not the controlled media. They show one motive as to why it should be done, but the real motive isn't seen. Common NWO strategy. Colleen, you're exactly correct. Jamie -Caveat Lector- Well then, why do they not ban fireworks as well..if you can make a firecracker and rocket, you can make a bomb. We just had a local man killed some years back along with a little kid injured, due to a 4th of July celebration that turned into a disaster when the fireworks explodedthe impact shook my house, less then a half mile away. Now the information placed on the internet comes from a book..maybe the libraries should take a good look at some of their books, rather than spend half their time in the "black culture" sections where they now have books on voo doo for the kiddiesspecial African week. Why not special Irish Week, or German Week, or Serbian Week.. This country is sick, but the sicknes did not begin with the people in it - it began the day JFK was murdered in the streets of Dallas, the last President of the United Sttes. If you want to see the sickness, look not only at the kids at Littleton, but their Superintendent and Principal and in particular, the teacher with a son who was a "porn" movie starmovie star? And Clinton is getting a big kick out of the whole thing is he not...while he assisted in genocide by selling AIDS infected blood from which he obviously took a profit, sending bombs to kill children in Serbiaand you wonder why the children are kill happy? But remember, their mentor - they use the drugs to get the control, and then set the programmed killers loose upon the innocents. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Georgia school shooting]
-Caveat Lector- Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-20 09:46:12 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The shooting occurred at 8:03 a.m. EDT in the commons area at Heritage High School in Conyers, 25 miles (40 km) east of Atlanta. And the Senate vote occurred only a few hours afterward. How convenient! What really bugs me is that the vote passed NOT because the Veep cast the tie-breaker (although he will undoubtedly make much hay of that) but because Max Cleland OF GEORGIA was so stunned by the incident in his home state that he changed his mind at the last minute... The time coincidence is highly suspicious, shall we say? "Once is an accident, twice is coincidence, the third time is enemy action." Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Revived Red Brigade Attacks NATO]
-Caveat Lector- Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- The allegedly "Communist" Red Brigade was actually an agents-provocateur group funded by fascist millionaires (who would benefit most from the right-wing reaction to a bogus "Communist terrorist threat") and secretly working in consort with NATO. Its victims, oddly for a "Communist" group, were often influential people on the Left ... If it's surfacing again, it can only be because the alliance feels it needs to tighten the reins on NATO-member Italy, which (like Greece) is starting to oppose the war ... I'm not ruling your analysis out, Goat, but the leftist victims of the Brigate Rosse were the sort of "right leftists" hardcore Communists would identify as class traitors...that is, they were closer to the center of the political spectrum than to the extreme left, and therefore posed a threat to the Cause as great as--or greater than--the neo-Fascists such as the MSI, because they were positioned to distract the working class from its true objective of overthrowing the System. My sense is that the Red Brigades were (are?) genuinely Communist, but that their funding comes indirectly, via a cutout, from the Oligarchy, for the reasons you suggest. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Georgia school shooting]
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 99-05-20 09:46:12 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The shooting occurred at 8:03 a.m. EDT in the commons area at Heritage High School in Conyers, 25 miles (40 km) east of Atlanta. And the Senate vote occurred only a few hours afterward. How convenient! What really bugs me is that the vote passed NOT because the Veep cast the tie-breaker (although he will undoubtedly make much hay of that) but because Max Cleland OF GEORGIA was so stunned by the incident in his home state that he changed his mind at the last minute... The time coincidence is highly suspicious, shall we say? "Once is an accident, twice is coincidence, the third time is enemy action." How does this link to recent shootings by students in Canada, Russia and Australia, and the incident in South Africa where a principal and teacher[s?] shot and killed an number of students? How all-enveloping is the conspiracy? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: HOAX: US Postal Service seeking 5-cents email tax
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 12:25 PM Subject: FC: HOAX: US Postal Service seeking 5-cents email tax This message being circulated among some conservative groups is a hoax. There is no bill number 602P in the US Congress. There is no US Congressman named "Tony Schnell," or for that matter any Virginia state legislator by that name. There is no law firm "Berger, Stepp and Gorman" in Vienna, Virginia. There is no Washington-area lawyer by the name of "Richard Stepp." There may be plenty of reasons to worry about the US Postal Service and technology (http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/16602.html), but fortunately the Internet is safe from this particular threat. -Declan Hello folks, Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online and continue using email: The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly push through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet. Under proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be attempting to bilk email users out of "alternate postage fees". Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt to charge a 5 cent surcharge on every email delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation from becoming law. The U.S. Postal Service is claiming that lost revenue due to the proliferation of email is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign "There is nothing like a letter". Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces of email per day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be an additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above and beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money paid directly to the U.S. Postal Service for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the Internet is democracy and non-interference. If the federal government is permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to email, who knows where it will end. You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureacratic efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from New York to Buffalo. If the U.S. Postal Service is allowed to tinker with email, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. One congressman, Tony Schnell (R) has even suggested a "twenty to forty dollar per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond the government's proposed email charges. Note that most of the major newspapers have ignored the story, the only exception being the Washingtonian which called the idea of email surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come" March 6th 1999 Editorial) Don't sit by and watch your freedoms erode away! Send this email to all Americans on your list and tell your friends and relatives to write to their congressman and say "No!" to Bill 602P. Kate Turner Assistant to Richard Stepp, Berger, Stepp and Gorman Attorneys at Law 216 Concorde Street, Vienna, Va. It's the action, not the fruit of the action that's important. You have to do the right thing...You may never know what results come from your action. But if you do nothing, there will be no result. (Gandhi) -- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ -- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: House requires NASA to post anti-drug messages on web sites
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 11:18 AM Subject: FC: House requires NASA to post anti-drug messages on web sites The House this week approved this bill with the amendment included. --Declan AMENDMENT NO. 7 OFFERED BY MR. SALMON Mr. SALMON. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will designate the amendment. The text of the amendment is as follows: Amendment No. 7 offered by Mr. Salmon: At the end of the bill, insert the following new section: SEC. 221. ANTI-DRUG MESSAGE ON INTERNET SITES. Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Administrator, in consultation with the Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, shall place anti-drug messages on Internet sites controlled by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. In the table of contents, after the item relating to section 220, insert the following new item: Sec. 221. Anti-drug message on Internet sites. Mr. SALMON. Mr. Chairman, my amendment is very straightforward. It requires the NASA Administrator to consult with the Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy to place antidrug messages on NASA Internet sites. The NASA Internet site is the most popular Government Web site, receiving hundreds of millions of hits. For example, the Mars Pathfinder Web site logged roughly 750 million hits during its mission to Mars. John Glenn's return to space generated 732,000 Web pages being downloaded from NASA's server, and each week about 250,000 Web pages are downloaded from NASA's server. Many of these hits on the NASA site are from children, our young people. Thousands of schools around the country have incorporated the NASA Web site into their science curriculum. Furthermore, NASA has targeted students with interactive Web sites designed to engage young minds. In an era where our children are constantly bombarded and surrounded by the influence of drugs and where more than half of all high school students are found to have dabbled with illicit drugs by the time they have graduated, now is the time to step up our prevention efforts to protect our children from the scourge of drugs. The NASA Web site is an excellent and cost-free way to send these antidrug messages to our young children. I urge all of my colleagues to support this amendment. Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? Mr. SALMON. I yield to the gentleman from Wisconsin. Mr. SENSENBRENNER. Mr. Chairman, the amendment of the gentleman from Arizona is a very constructive one and I am happy to accept it. [Page: H3329] Mr. GORDON. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? Mr. SALMON. I yield to the gentleman from Tennessee. Mr. GORDON. Mr. Chairman, I also recommend accepting the amendment. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Salmon). The amendment was agreed to. -- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ -- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: More on HOAX: US Postal Service seeking 5-cents email tax
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 12:54 PM Subject: FC: More on HOAX: US Postal Service seeking 5-cents email tax * From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Web-site: http://www.nationalpost.com Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:46:10 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 3:25 PM -0400 on 5/21/99, Declan McCullagh wrote: This message being circulated among some conservative groups is a hoax. Interestingly, a carbon copy of this hoax ran through the Canadian Internet community last month. In our case, Canada Post Corp. was to impose postage on e-mail. Tony Schnell, in our version, was a Canadian Member of Parliament and not a congressman; the bill here was also 602P (our federal numbering system looks like this Bill C-54; An act on ecommerce). Also, Richard Stepp was the lawyer in question but he was based in Toronto as was his fictional law firm Berger, Stepp, and Gorman. In the Canadian e-mail version, Berger, Stepp and Gorman's address was on Bay Street in Toronto (the Canadian equivalent of Wall Street in New York). Unfortunately, there is a real lawyer named Berger on Bay Street in Toronto. The office of Max Berger of Bay Street - as the receptionist wearily noted when we called - was besieged with calls of support. We and most other major Canadian news outlets reported on the hoax and Canada Post even issued a press release about it: http://www.canadapost.ca/CPC2/corpc/newsrel/rumour.html Canada Post also claimed to have tracked down the origin of the message and forced the author and his ISP to post apologies in the newsgroups where the message first appeared. David Akin / Technology Reporter National Post / [EMAIL PROTECTED] VOX: 416.383.2372 / FAX: 416.383.2443 300-1450 Don Mills Road Don Mills / Ontario / CANADA / M3B 3R5 ** Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:43:14 -0700 From: Lizard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FC: HOAX: US Postal Service seeking 5-cents email tax X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i About a month ago, this was the CANADIAN postal service. I wonder how hard it would be to start a chain letter convincing people they had to send me money, or they'd die? -- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ -- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: What's New for May 21, 1999
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: What's New [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 1:00 PM Subject: What's New for May 21, 1999 WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 21 May 99 Washington, DC 1. SPY HYSTERIA: SECRETARY OF ENERGY RICHARDSON SAYS TRUST ME. In testimony before the House Science Committee yesterday, Secretary Richardson urged members not to "penalize the foreign visitor program, that has not been the problem...Let me manage my department...the culture of lapses has ended." He pleaded with the Committee to give him "a year to see if I perform." By that time, of course, the Clinton Administration will be on its way out anyway. With an election on the way, some members seemed more interested in fixing blame than discussing solutions anyway. "We aren't here to give you leeway for another year," Rep. Rohrabacher (R-CA) told Richardson "we want accountability." The long-awaited release of the Cox report (WN 2 Apr 99) is still awaited. Now they say next week they said that last week. 2. COUNCIL: NATIONAL SECURITY AND THE OPEN CONDUCT OF SCIENCE. Today, the APS Council approved a statement recognizing the importance of protecting classified information, while cautioning that indiscriminate restrictions on open exchange of ideas will damage science. Foreign visitors and students, it concludes, have made enormous contributions to American science: "Any negative characterization of scientists on the basis of ethnic or national origins is destructive to science and American values." 3. NATIONAL MISSILE DEFENSE: PHANTOM STAR WARS BILL PASSES. By an overwhelming vote of 345 to 71, Congress boldly declared that it is the policy of the United States to deploy a defense against ballistic missiles whenever it is "technologically feasible." That could be awhile. The bill appropriates no money, but the cost estimate is up to $75B. The only Republican voting against it was physicist Vern Ehlers, who said he could not vote for something that cost so much with so little chance of working. 4. PATENT OFFICE: FALLOUT FROM FUTURE ENERGY CONFERENCE. One result of the recent conference on over-unity concepts (WN 30 Apr 99) was that it led to a close look at the Patent and Trademark Office. The conference was hosted by the Integrity Research Institute, whose president, Tom Valone, is a patent examiner. WN has been warning for some time about efforts to infiltrate the Patent Office with examiners sympathetic to fringe science (WN 20 Nov 98). In this week's Science magazine David Voss reports on his investigation of the Patent Office. In addition to patents awarded for various cold-fusion and over-unity devices, the DKL Lifeguard, a dowsing rod with lights and buttons (WN 25 Sep 98), and an electrical switch operated by ESP, have made the cut. THE AMERICAN PHYSICAL SOCIETY (Note: Opinions are the author's and are not necessarily shared by the APS, but they should be.) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pre-Neanderthal pelvis suggests brain prevailed over brawn
-Caveat Lector- So much for rugged individualism... "The Nature article said that despite their 'armored car' build, the Neanderthals became extinct because they failed to look after each other, whereas their weaker cousins, the descendants of modern man, were more social and were forced to depend on each other for survival." == Pre-Neanderthal pelvis suggests brain prevailed over brawn May 21, 1999 Web posted at: 3:09 p.m. EDT (1909 GMT) MADRID, Spain (AP) -- The ancestors of the Neanderthals were taller and heavier than previously thought, leading scientists to speculate that brawn over brains may have contributed to their extinction. Anthropologists from Madrid's Complutense University reached their conclusions after a five-year study of a 300,000-year-old fossil pelvis. The pelvis was put together from fragments found in 1994 in the key Atapuerca caves in northern Spain, according to the study published Thursday in the journal Nature. Complete pelvis fossils, which are quite rare, provide detailed information about the person as a whole, including dimensions, reproduction and locomotion. Team director Juan Luis Arsuaga told the daily El Mundo that the pelvis belonged to a pre-Neanderthal male between 1.73 to 1.80 meters (about 6 feet) tall who weighed at least 100 kilograms (about 220 pounds). Arsuaga, co-author of the study, said the width of the pelvis suggested that pre-Neanderthals suffered far less pain giving birth than their direct descendants, or modern humans. The pelvis belongs to an ancestor of the classic Neanderthals that date from between 100,000 and 35,000 years ago, when they died out, Antonio Rosas told the Associated Press. Rosas is an expert in prehistoric jaw bones who has also worked at Atapuerca. "It is undoubtedly the most complete pelvis ever found from the period and an important contribution to the field," Rosas said. The Nature article said that despite their "armored car" build, the Neanderthals became extinct because they failed to look after each other, whereas their weaker cousins, the descendants of modern man, were more social and were forced to depend on each other for survival. As adults, the Atapuerca hominids had smaller brains than modern humans relative to body mass, adding to the brawn-over-brain theory. The prehistoric remains were first discovered in the Atapuerca cave in 1976, with full scale excavation begun in 1984. It is one of the world's best prehistoric sites, and is the most important from the middle-plaestecine era that began about 780,000 years ago and lasted for 660,000 years, Rosas said. Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fw: House requires NASA to post anti-drug messages on web sites]
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip * no bureaucrats were harmed in the production of this message * Aw, nuts! Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990521c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No Japanese cities were vaporized during the production of this bulletin. * SKEPTINEWS CONTRIBUTORS/EDITORS WANTED NOW * KEEP THIS BULLETIN COMING * _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Ivory Tower - Must dog eat dog? After preaching that humans live by animal laws of aggression and selfishness, evolutionary psychologists are finding the animal kingdom is not as brutal as they imagined. Competition or cooper- ation? http://www.salon1999.com/books/it/1999/05/21/evolution/index.html : Did you evolve to kill or be kill, eat or be eaten? Who lives better, com- petitors or cooperators? Do implants modify your behavior? Are you nicer? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Boys may be impacted by body types. BOSTON (AP) Long legs, a tiny waist and a big bust made Barbie the target of critics for giving girls an unreal- istic body ideal. Now, chiseled pectorals, abdominals and biceps have put male action figures under similar scrutiny. Researchers who studied boys' favored action figures found they preferred "very muscular figures." The majority of male action figures placed on the market since the 1960s have been beefed up to bulky, inhuman proportions, leading boys to believe muscle equals masculinity, the study said. Before then "people weren't using anabolic steroids so men would lift weights and stay within their natural body size." www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559621543-8ea : Has your body preference been reprogrammed? Would you like to be rebuilt? What's your fave action figure? Would you like to change bodies regularly? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Guns and penises: American society's problem isn't guns -- it's the sexually dysfunctional men and women who abuse them. And bullets, natch: http://www.salon1999.com/people/col/pagl/1999/05/12/penises/index.html @ Urge: Fallen angels - Feminist and right-wing anti-porn crusaders gave up trying to save women when women said "No thanks!" Now it's just kids they want to protect. www.salon1999.com/health/sex/col/brig/1999/05/15/fallen/ : Are you dysfunctional? Do you kill? Are you swamped with porn? Would you rather save yourself, women and children, kids only, aliens, heathens, me? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Intel develops portable computer. (AP) - You may not be able to take a moon shuttle or spend a night in space like characters in the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey," but the kind of thin computer pad they carried could be on shelves by the real 2001. Intel Corp., the world's largest chip maker, is testing a device about the size of an Etch-a-Sketch that taps into the Internet without a wire and can be passed around the house from husband to wife to kid to check the latest headlines, e-mail, stock quotes and even the school lunch menu. "They'll have to come out here and pry it out of my hands": http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559623884-3fb : Would you rather have a newspad computer, have a computer implanted in your body, or be totally isolated from computers? Do you have any choice? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 21 May 99 Washington, DC 3. NATIONAL MISSILE DEFENSE: PHANTOM STAR WARS BILL PASSES. By an overwhel- ming vote of 345 to 71, Congress boldly declared that it is the policy of the United States to deploy a defense against ballistic missiles whenever it is "technologically feasible." That could be awhile. The bill appropri- ates no money, but the cost estimate is up to $75B. The only Republican voting against it was physicist Vern Ehlers, who said he could not vote for something that cost so much with so little chance of working. : Are expensive weapons systems that don't work, better than those that do? For whom? Who's bribing all these congressfolk to spend tax money on this? 4. PATENT OFFICE: FALLOUT FROM FUTURE ENERGY CONFERENCE. One result of the recent conference on over-unity concepts (WN 30 Apr 99) was that it led to a close look at the Patent and Trademark Office. The confab was hosted by the Integrity Research Institute, whose president, Tom Valone, is a patent exam- iner. WN has warned for some time about efforts to infiltrate the Patent Office with examiners sympathetic to fringe science (WN 20 Nov 98). In this week's Science magazine David Voss reports on his investigation of the Patent Office. In addition to patents awarded for various cold-fusion and over-unity devices, the DKL Lifeguard, a dowsing rod with lights and buttons (WN 25 Sep 98), and an electrical switch operated by ESP, have made the cut. : Have you patented any perpetual-motion, over-unity or other free-energy devices lately? Was it hard? Does it work? If it works, why aren't energy corporations defunct yet? Have Reptilioids interfered with your work? How? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: @
[CTRL] Federal Judge Finds School Violated Religious Rights
-Caveat Lector- Federal Judge Finds School Violated Religious Rights AP 21-MAY-99 WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. (AP) -- A federal judge ruled Friday that a school district violated the religious rights of three Catholic families by having youngsters cut out elephant-head images of a Hindu god, make toothpick "worry dolls" and build an altar for an Earth Day liturgy. U.S. District Judge Charles Brieant ordered the Bedford Central school district to stop the activities and give clear instructions to teachers about Supreme Court standards for the separation of church and state. Bedford Central attorney Warren Richmond said the ruling will have a chilling effect. He said the decision went further than any court in the country in directing the behavior of an individual school district. The case began in 1995, when students in the well-to-do Westchester County district began playing the strategy card game Magic: The Gathering. Some parents complained that the cards, bearing images ranging from fairies to a woman about to be sacrificed, were satanic. The two-week trial, which wrapped up in March, brought a parade of witnesses, including a yogi-numerologist, a psychic-telepath and a mineralogist who denied that crystals have special powers. Brieant rejected the families' complaints about yoga lessons, cemetery visits and the use of the card game. But he said he found "subtle coercive pressure to engage in the Hindu religion" when a third-grade teacher, during a lesson about India, had her pupils make construction-paper cutouts of elephant heads after reading a story about Ganesha, an elephant-headed Hindu god. "While reading the Ganesha story can be part of a neutral secular curriculum, this court fails to find any educational justification for telling young impressionable students to construct images of a known religious god," Brieant said. He found that the district had allowed "worry dolls" -- tiny yarn-and-toothpick figures -- to be made in class and sold in a school store as a way for students to keep bad dreams away. "The business with the worry dolls is a rank example of teaching superstition to children of a young and impressionable age," Brieant said. Some rituals in the school district's Earth Day celebration, including the erection of an altar, were "truly bizarre" and crossed over into religious teaching, he said. One of the parents who sued, Mary Ann DiBari, said she was delighted with the ruling but had hoped the use of the card game would be found to be a constitutional violation. Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Amazon Drops Controversial Book (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- This may have something to do with the fact that Amazon.com is a partner of EarthLink - Earthlink's owner, Sky Dayton, is a long time Scientologist. - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 2:04 PM Subject: [CTRL] Amazon Drops Controversial Book (fwd) -Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:15:00 -800 From: Wired News Daily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wired News Daily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Amazon Drops Controversial Book Wired News - a must-read for the latest information and commentary on our rapidly changing digital world. W I R E D N E W S Top Stories - 12:00pm 20.May.99.PDT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - AMAZON DROPS CONTROVERSIAL BOOK (BUS. 3:00 am) http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/member/business/story/19787.html Amazon.com removes a book from its site that criticizes the Church of Scientology and founder L. Ron Hubbard. Newsgroups cry foul. By Polly Sprenger. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . EUROPE HALTS GENETIC CORN TRADE (TECH. 12:00 pm) http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/member/technology/story/19794.html In the midst of transatlantic trade woes, the European Commission halts approval of a genetically engineered crop that could prove lethal to Monarch butterflies. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SHOOTER WAS A STUDENT (WRLD 12:00 pm) http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/member/story/19798.html A 15-year-old sophomore, distraught over breaking up with his girlfriend three days earlier, is being identified as the gunman who opened fire at a high school in Conyer, Georgia early Thursday, wounding six students. The boy, whose name was not released because of his age, was identified by other students at Heritage High School as the shooter. One witness said that he dropped his rifle and fled after the shooting, then pulled out a pistol and put it in his mouth. He was prevented from shooting himself by an assistant principal, and reportedly surrendered in tears. The most seriously wounded student, a 15-year-old girl, was reported in stable condition at an Atlanta hospital. She was shot through the intestines. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SEX SITES GETTING SCREWED (BUS. 3:00 am) http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/member/business/story/19777.html It's conventional wisdom that the online porn biz sets trends for e-commerce. Given the rate of canceled credit-card charges, online merchants hope that wisdom will falter. By Craig Bicknell. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PATIENTS, HEAL THYSELVES (TECH. 3:00 am) http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/member/technology/story/19776.html New personal medical gadgets will let patients monitor their own health and run simple tests at home. But will they make your doctor hang up his stethoscope? By Lindsey Arent. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE END OF THE AMERICAN MANSION? (CULT. 3:00 am) http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/member/culture/story/19786.html Middle-Americans clamor for big houses in the suburbs, but Sarah Susanka says a small, well-designed home is more appealing than a huge house. Frank Jossi interviews the architect in Minneapolis. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CEO SCHMOOZEFEST ON E-COMMERCE (BUS. 3:00 am) http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/member/business/story/19789.html At Microsoft's CEO Summit execs talk power and speed. Martha Stewart and Ford are just two companies eager to jump on the bandwith bandwagon. Chris Stamper reports from Redmond, Washington. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . KENNARD TAKES UP AOL'S CAUSE (POL. Wednesday) http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/member/politics/story/19778.html AOL gets a boost from the FCC in its quest to regulate what sorts of Internet access that cable companies will be allowed to provide. Declan McCullagh reports from Washington. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CASE: NETSCAPE MAKES BROWSERS? (POL. Wednesday)
Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Thursday #3
-Caveat Lector- : Do you trust GM foods? Have you performed any GM experiments yourself? Do you want your own genes modified? What's your favorite gene-splicing? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Absolutely! I'd stake my maternity on General Mills foods. Why, my kids would probably have starved to death if it hadn't been for Cheerios. I've personally never experimented with them. I figure don't fix what ain't broken. That's the problem with everything nowadays. Always looking to "improve" stuff, like seeds for instance. Better seeds, better oats, better Cheerios, yadda, yadda, yadda. My favorite splicing is bananas. I know some folks like to splice strawberries on their cereal, but there is definitely something gustatorially grand about combining bananas and milk. I suppose it isn't kosher though, huh. It would probably be outlawed in Iran. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Thursday #3]
-Caveat Lector- Cathy Laughlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- : Do you trust GM foods? Have you performed any GM experiments yourself? Do you want your own genes modified? What's your favorite gene-splicing? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Absolutely! I'd stake my maternity on General Mills foods. Why, my kids would probably have starved to death if it hadn't been for Cheerios. I've personally never experimented with them. I figure don't fix what ain't broken. That's the problem with everything nowadays. Always looking to "improve" stuff, like seeds for instance. Better seeds, better oats, better Cheerios, yadda, yadda, yadda. My favorite splicing is bananas. I know some folks like to splice strawberries on their cereal, but there is definitely something gustatorially grand about combining bananas and milk. I suppose it isn't kosher though, huh. It would probably be outlawed in Iran. I don't know if your response was serious or not, but GM foods does not mean General Mills Foods, it means Genetically Manipulated foods. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Friday #1
# GM could 'impoverish poor farmers'. (BBC) A UK development charity says agrochemical firms should study their products' economic impact on developing countries before starting to sell them. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_348000/348947.stm I agree. You certainly won't find a Chevy Cavalier in London. Ugandans and Somalians can barely afford a car, let alone all the repairs that the Cavalier would impose on them just to keep it running.
[CTRL] Waco 2
-Caveat Lector- The Independent - 21 May 1999 Waco II The second coming of the curse of David Koresh. By Paul Vallely All at once it got very serious. Ken Newport looked up from the 600-page document he had printed from the Internet. He had been ploughing through its interminable ramblings about horsemen and brides, scrolls and seals, beasts and Babylon, demon armies and divine punishments. But then something clicked. What it meant, he realised with a sudden chill, was blazing gun battles, burning buildings and more dead children. The survivors of Waco were looking for a repeat of the awful inferno in which some 80 people died in the siege of their headquarters in Texas six years ago. How, he wondered, did an unknown academic from Liverpool like him go about contacting the FBI? It had all begun innocently enough. Dr Newport is a theologian who, for the past two years, has been gathering material for an academic volume on how groups throughout history have interpreted Revelation, the final book of the Bible which is consumed with surreal visions about the end of the world. Almost without exception, he discovered, those who became obsessed with the Apocalypse became filled with the conviction that it was a timetable of real events and that the end was about to come in their own time. The 17th-century Baptist, Benjamin Keach, thought it would happen in 1689. One of the founders of Methodism, Charles Wesley, thought Doomsday would be 1794. Perhaps most famously, the American preacher William Miller gathered his followers around him on 22 October 1844, all having sold their worldly possessions, quit jobs and moved to upstate New York, which was where Christ was due to return. The members of the Branch Davidian cult at Waco, under their wild and charismatic leader David Koresh, were seized with the same mindset. But there was something more. From time to time there appeared a group that was not simply content to wait for Armageddon. They saw it as their duty to provoke it. It was in gathering material on the history of the Branch Davidian cult that he came across evidence that Koresh's successors, who style themselves the Students of the Seven Seals, are engaged upon a process whose logic seems to be taking them remorselessly to the creation of another Waco - sometime between now and Friday 6 August, when they are convinced that the world will end. Sitting in his neat modern study at Liverpool Hope University College, amid racks of box files and a world away from the madness of Waco, Dr Newport began to correspond - by letter and e-mail - with the new generation of Branch Davidians, who have fled Texas and are now dispersed throughout the US and UK. He contacted them through their websites and by writing to the seven members who are in American jails, serving a total of 238 years between them. Slowly he began to piece together the story which has so unnerved him. The first piece in the jigsaw went back to 23 October 1844 - the day after the world didn't end as William Miller had predicted. It was then that his followers began the long process of coming to terms with what they dubbed The Great Disappointment. Among the several new groups which sprang from the disillusioned Millerites was the Seventh Day Adventists, whose recruits included one John Kellogg, who developed for his brethren a special vegetarian breakfast food called cornflakes. Yet it was a movement doomed to schism. A washing machine salesman called Victor Houteff led a breakaway called the Davidian Seventh Day Adventists. And after Victor's wife and successor Florence gathered the movement's 940 members together for another unsuccessful Doomsday on 22 April 1959, it split again, with Ben Roden and his wife Lois forming the Branch Davidians. In theory, the succession should have passed to their son George. But by then David Koresh was on the scene and things began to turn from the merely eccentric to the downright dangerous. To settle the leadership issue, Ken Newport discovered, George Roden dug up the remains of an 85-year-old Davidian who had died some 20 years earlier, and challenged Koresh to a Resurrection Contest. A gun battle ensued and, though the police arrested everyone, no one was convicted - though George was given six months for contempt of court for threatening the judge with plagues and herpes. (George was later sent to an asylum after drawing a third Davidian into a row over whether George or Koresh had been chosen by God to be the seventh and final angel named in the Bible; when the third man insisted it was neither of them but him, George chopped him up with an axe.) But it was none of this which prompted the Davidians' letters and e-mails to Ken Newport suddenly to halt. Nor was it his questions about the awful events at Waco, at which the FBI acquitted themselves so poorly. The cult members began to get wary when Dr Newport started to ask about their belief that Koresh is due to return from the dead in the near
[CTRL] War's Over
-Caveat Lector- From www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_doggett/19990521_xcjdo_the_war_ov.html Picture: John DoggettPicture: John N. Doggett -- -- Picture: WND Exclusive Commentary -- -- The war is over -- -- Two months ago, Bill Clinton and the leaders of Europe thought they could launch a video game-like war in Yugoslavia that would be painless, casualty free and quick. Ten thousand bombs later, the political will to continue this senseless and tragic war is collapsing. Let me be the first to proclaim that the War in Yugoslavia is over. NATO lost, Slobodan won. Oh, NATO will still drop more bombs, kill more civilians and make more excuses. But anything that NATO does from now on is only rigor mortis setting in. Gerhard Schroder, Chancellor of Germany, says he will prevent the use of combat ground troops. Gerhard, who is also Chairman of the European Union, has uttered words that tell Milosevic that he has won. Everyone knows that the air war has failed. Everyone knows that the Kosovo Albanians can't return to their homes. So if NATO can't use ground troops, NATO might as well stop the bombing and negotiate settlement with Slobo dan Milosevic on his terms. The Italian parliament has passed a resolution urging NATO to impose a 48-hour bombing pause after the U.N. Security Council passes a resolution outlining a peace settlement. A single " no" vote can kill any resolution of the U.N. Security Council. Russia and China are both members of the U.N. Security Council. Russia and China both want NATO to lose face. This dirty little war has empowered Russia and China to reassert their power on the world stage. Russia and China will insist on a "peace settlement" that will be acceptable to Milosevic. The war is over my friends, and N ATO lost. Italian Prime Minister Massimo D'Alema warned that public support for the NATO air campaign against Yugoslavia could falter if we attacked nonmilitary targets. Well, Mr. Prime Minister, you are too late. We are tired of NATO bombing hospitals. We are tired of NATO bombing embassies. We are tired of NATO bombing homes, apartment buildings, busses and trains. We are tired of NATO killing innocent civilians. We are tired of this war that we never wanted in the first place. We are tired of the big lie that if we just give NATO a few more days and a few more bombs, Slobodan will be broken. The Butcher of the Balkans has won. He has kicked most of the Kosovar Albanians out of Kosovo. Continued bombing of hospitals, homes, bridges, electricity generating plants and factories seems nothing less than mindless and wanton violence just for the heck of it. Why can't Bill Clinton make the connection between the murders in Littleton, Colo., and the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo? Decent law- abiding kids and an adult died at Columbine High School because only the killers and a security guard had guns. The same thing happened in the 1991 Luby's massacre in Killeen, Texas. If law-abiding citizens had the right to carry guns at Columbine and Luby's, few if any people would have died because they would have had the means to protect themselves. We have seen the results of right-to-carry laws in Florida, Texas and other parts of the nation. Nothing stops violent crime better than allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves with guns. However, Clinton, and now the Republican Congress, just don't get it. The ultimate flaw in all gun control programs is that they assume that criminals will obey the law. Duh. The definition of a criminal is someone who consciously breaks laws. Criminals love gun control laws. Gun control laws make it easier for criminals to abuse the law abiding because the only people who will obey gun control laws are those who don't commit crimes. When Bill Clinton promotes gun control legislation, he is playing into the hands of violent criminals. Kosovo is a perfect example of why Clinton's and Congress' dream for America is a living nightmare. In Kosovo, only the police and the Army had "legal" guns. When armed thugs told Kosovar Albanians that they had only ten minutes to leave their homes, the residents were powerless to resist. If the Albanians of Kosovo had our Second Amendment right to bear arms, they would have done something other than run when confronted with armed intruders. If the Albanians of Kosovo had exercised their right-to-carry, most of them would still be living in their homes. Where does this all leave us? Ethnic cleansing is over. Milosevic has cleansed the Kosovar Albanians. The KLA, a shadowy "terrorist" organization that was supposed to rise and get rid of the Serbs once the bombing started has been destroyed. Germany, the mother of two world wars in this century, has forbidden the use of ground troops. Without
[CTRL] Bad Blood
-Caveat Lector- From Ottawa Citizen Tainted-blood sleuth firebombed Intimidation campaign suspected as Arkansas clinic razed, Montreal office ransacked Mark Kennedy The Ottawa Citizen The controversial story involving tainted plasma from Arkansas prisoners that was shipped to Canada in the 1980s while Bill Clinton was state governor has taken a mysterious and chilling new turn. Two crimes that occurred within hours of each other Tuesday night, hundreds of kilometres apart, have raised questions about whether someone is trying to intimidate or silence those who are asking questions about the prison-blood fiasco. In Pine Bluff, Arkansas, someone firebombed a prosthetics clinic owned by Michael Galster, who has been pushing hard for a U.S. government investigation. The clinic was burned to its shell and fire officials, who found a gas container in Mr. Galster's attic -- where he kept his documents -- say they're "90-per-cent sure" the fire was arson. In Montreal, someone broke into the offices of the Quebec chapter of the Canadian Hemophilia Society, which recently unearthed documents that showed Finance Minister Paul Martin was a board member of the corporation that owned Connaught Laboratories, the company that fractionated and distributed the Arkansas prison plasma in Canada. Hemophilia Society officials say thieves stole a computer and three telephones. They also stole documents from a box labeled "Hepatitis C, Krever Commission, Reform of the blood system, HIV-AIDS." Police are investigating both incidents. Mike McCarthy, a Canadian hemophiliac at the forefront of pushing for answers into the prison plasma scandal, says he's convinced the two crimes are connected. "It's too much of a coincidence," he said, adding that someone is worried Mr. Galster and the victims are probing too close to the truth. "They're trying to find out what we know and erase the trail if they can." "I think they're also sending a message. They're trying to scare us into backing off. They're trying to put the fear of God into us, that if we pursue the truth it can get worse. That the next action might not just be bui ldings and records." The RCMP are examining the prison-blood scheme as part of their criminal investigation into the tainted-blood scandal. RCMP Cpl. Gilles Moreau said yesterday that the Mounties are willing to review any evidence local poli ce in Montreal and Arkansas uncover. "We do not work in a vacuum," said Cpl. Moreau. "If there's information that is linked to the blood distribution system for the period that we're investigating, we're certainly not going to close our eyes to that informat ion. We welcome any information that comes our way." The story of how prison plasma was collected and found its way into the bloodstreams of unsuspecting Canadians stands as one of the most shocking aspects of the tainted-blood tragedy. It's not known how many Canadians contracted HIV and hepatitis C from the plasma of Arkansas prisoners, who were paid $7 a unit, although it's likely that several hundred people were infected by the tainted products. At the time, U.S. companies that fractionate blood products had stopped buying prison blood because it was widely understood that, since many inmates practised unsafe sex or were intravenous drug addicts, their blood pose d a high risk of carrying the AIDS virus. In Arkansas, a private firm, Health Management Associates, was given a contract by the state government to collect the prisoners' plasma. The firm had difficulty locating a U.S. customer but found a willing buyer in a Mon treal blood broker, Continental Pharma Cryosan, which then sold the plasma to Toronto-based Connaught Laboratories. Connaught apparently didn't realize the plasma had come from prisoners. Canadians learned of the prison plasma scheme in 1995, when Justice Horace Krever's inquiry unearthed some aspects of the story. Last September, the Citizen revealed further details. Also last fall, Mr. Galster went public with his accusations about the Arkansas prison system, where he conducted orthopedic clinics during the 1980s. Mr. Galster published a book, Blood Trail, which is a fictionalized ac count of how the prison-plasma program worked. He wrote under a pseudonym because he feared reprisals. Soon after media stories began appearing, he revealed his true identity. In February, he organized and participated in a news conference in Washington where Canadian victims called for a probe by the U.S. Justice Department and announced plans to depose Mr. Clinton. Mr. Galster said yesterday he is reeling with shock from the firebombing of his clinic, which he has owned for 21 years. He said he worked until about 8:30 p.m. Tuesday and was later called at home about the fire. "I'm trying not to get too paranoid about it. I pray to God that it was just a coincidence." Mr. Galster said that if someone is trying to silence him, it won't work. "They're barking
[CTRL] (Fwd) Food Safety: New Arguments
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:33:55 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Food Safety: New Arguments Institute for Public Accuracy 915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 (202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Friday, May 21, 1999 FOOD SAFETY: NEW ARGUMENTS ABOUT U.S. HEALTH AND FOREIGN TRADE As tensions mount between Europe and the United States on trade disputes over food and other issues, some researchers contend that Europeans are raising issues vital to American consumers. Among the analysts available for comment are: MARK RITCHIE, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.iatp.org President of the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, Ritchie said: "The United States is known for dumping risky foods in other countries. When certain chemicals were banned in the U.S., for example, we shipped soda pop containing those chemicals to Vietnam... The reason the U.S. is being so aggressive on hormone beef is that, when asked, American consumers overwhelmingly also reject it. If the Europeans are allowed to reject it, that will give more impetus to an anti-hormone-beef consumer stance in this country as well." DEBORAH TOLER, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Money and politics are ruining our food supply and our environment and in so doing are threatening the health of all of us," said Toler, a policy analyst with the Institute for Public Accuracy. "The whole impetus behind genetically modified crops and the growing use of antibodies in chickens and cattle is to increase agribusiness profits. Agribusiness pumps millions of dollars into election campaigns to make sure congressional representatives see to it that agencies intended to protect the environment and consumers -- like the EPA and the FDA -- are thwarted in their efforts to assess, much less control, the damage that untested but highly profitable technologies cause." JOHN STAUBER, http://www.prwatch.org Co-author of "Mad Cow U.S.A." and editor of PR Watch, Stauber said: "European opposition to beef hormones and genetically engineered food is beneficial to Americans, too. Americans deserve to know and decide in the marketplace whether to buy and consume meat and dairy products from animals pumped up with hormones and antibiotics. By refusing to label foods to identify if they were produced with antibiotics, hormones and genetic engineering, the U.S. government is placing the interests of industry over consumer safety and the right to know." CHARLES MARGULIS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The genetic engineering issue expert at Greenpeace, which is leading a global effort to get an international ban on the release of genetically engineered organisms into the environment, Margulis said: "The EPA and the FDA are allowing an untested bacterium that kills insect larvae into our food stream. Unlike new drugs which have to undergo extensive animal and human testing before they are allowed on the market, there have not been long-term animal -- much less human -- studies of the effects of [the bacterium] Bt on human health." For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy: Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; David Zupan, (541) 484-9167 AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said,
[CTRL] (Fwd) [BRIGADE] Clinton's Kowtow...Sorry, so sorry
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Linda Muller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:00:21 -05:0 Subject:[BRIGADE] Clinton's Kowtow...Sorry, so sorry Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Brigade, This column mentions "President Buchanan" so I guess it qualifies as "appropriate" for the BRIGADE list!! GO PAT GO - !! Linda --- The Washington Times - COMMENTARY May 21, 1999 Sorry, so sorry In the 19th century, Western governments hoping to do business with China would sooner or later come to a ceremonial brink: To kowtow to the Chinese monarch - kneeling three times, head touching the ground three times at each prostration - or not to kowtow. One early 19th-century British envoy, fearing for the dignity and prestige of Great Britain, proposed to bend one knee and bow his head three times and then repeat the performance twice more, "so as," in the words of one historian, "to approximate the three kneelings and nine knockings of the head that were required." This choreography was not acceptable to the Chinese - and the mission stalled for 10 days before ending in failure. A half-century later, John E. Ward, an American representing the Buchanan administration, journeyed to Peking and back again, also forgoing an audience with the emperor; he would kneel, it was said, only to God and women. The kowtow is just a figure of speech now, but it is one that comes to mind when reflecting on the spate of diplomatic bowing and scraping by the United States following the unintentional bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade earlier this month. Five times President Bill Clinton begged pardon, his secretaries of state and defense amplifying and embroidering his sentiments, as the United States variously offered regrets, condolences and protestations of sorrow. Other forms of breast-beating and hair-rending included the unprecedented decision to fly American flags in China at half- staff for the bombing victims - and what the White House said was Mr. Clinton's purely coincidental approval of a Motorola satellite launch via Chinese rocket next month. The diplomatic frenzy was capped by an exceptional statement of apology by Mr. Clinton. As William F. Buckley, Jr. put it, "The big mistake was to apologize. It's ok to regret killing three Chinese in the embassy in Belgrade, but what is one apologizing for?" This is not semantic hair-splitting. It is appropriate for the government to regret the incidental casualties of war without assuming, in Mr. Buckley's words, "a heavy obligation in conscience." In diplomatic code, there is a world of difference between "apologizing"and "regretting." In fact, the historical record indicates that literal apologies, with their connotation of indefensible fault, are rare - even as nations admit costly errors to one another (or don't, as in the special case of Japan, which has yet to express any remorse for such crimes against humanity as the 1937 Rape of Nanking). In 1915, for instance, when 124 American lives were lost on the Lusitania after it was torpedoed by a German U-boat, Germany expressed regret to a still-neutral United States. More recently, Ronald Reagan conveyed "deep regret" to Iran in 1988 after the USS Vincennes mistakenly destroyed an Iranian airliner, causing the deaths of its 290 passengers. In 1991, Russia expressed its regret to South Korea for the Soviet Union's shoot-down of KAL 007 in 1983, killing all 269 passengers. Even Mr. Clinton, who has so very much to apologize for and regret, sticks to the diplomatic script when it comes to state apologies. Regarding a training accident in Italy that left 20 dead when an American military plane severed a gondola cable last year, Mr. Clinton has said he is "profoundly regretful" about the incident. But when the Chinese refuse to take the president's telephone calls, support the tens of thousands of rioters in Beijing who effectively imprisoned our ambassador for four days, providing bullhorns and government-approved slogans of anti-Americanism - and persist in accusing the United States of intentionally murdering its people - Mr. Clinton decides to apologize. The Chinese, having exploited the erroneous Belgrade bombing on a grand scale, have been at least partly successful in distracting world attention from next month's 10th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre and the congressional investigations into their theft of American nuclear secrets. It must be remembered, however, that an oafish American administration has unwittingly assisted them in this ruse, providing everything but the crepe paper. And who deserves an apology for that? --- end - Help Pat and the Brigade in our Battle for the White House... Go to: http://www.gopatgo2000.org/000-v-helppat.html Spread the word --
[CTRL] On the Move
-Caveat Lector- From TheIndependent (UK) War in the Balkans - Refugee Camps THE vast tented camp at Kukes, the main crossing point on the border with Albania, may be forcibly cleared of its 35,000 refugees within a week. Observers believe that indicates Nato is preparing the area for alliance ground troops. Lieutenant-General John Reith, Nato's commander in Albania, said the government in Tirana may order the camp to be shut if the refugees continue to resist efforts to transfer them elsewhere in the county as a means of avoiding the danger of an impending heatwave, water shortage and Serbian artillery. Lt-Gen Reith also said that, in his opinion, it will take up to two years to get the refugees back home, even after any peace settlement. The experience of Bosnia had shown, he said, that when the infrastructure and the social fabric of a country is shattered, two years is the minimum time needed to resettle the population. Lt-Gen Reith, one of the most influential figures in Albania at present, said it was still possible he would advise the government in Tirana to force the closure of the camp. Such a move would almost certainly provoke disturbances among refugees, according to aid workers. The Nato commander also said there had been reports that refugees who have agreed to move from Kukes have changed their mind after a visit from the Kosovo Liberation Army. Local KLA commanders are said to be against attempts by Nato and the United Nations High Commission for Refugees to move the exiles to different locations, because it will distance them from an immediate return to their homes and also take away a pool of potential recruits. There has already been talk of the Kukes camp being shut before the winter, when the temperature on high ground in the Albanian mountains can fall to minus 30C. However, the high summer temperatures in the mountains and an acute water shortage have led to fears that infectious diseases might start to spread among the thousands of refugees living under canvas. Lt-Gen Reith said: "The camps should be shut down and even if we can begin next week it will take us three or four weeks to complete the mission. I want this to happen as I do not want to preside over ahuman catastrophe." Nato forces have also discovered that Serbian ground troops have begun to dig in on the other side of the border in preparation for a possible land invasion of Kosovo. Their guns are within easy reaching distance of the Kukes camp. There is also increasing KLA activity in the area. The general's forces, which already number 7,000 men, including marines and paratroopers based in Durres, have been providing humanitarian aid. However, indications that the ground is being laid for a land intervention include the fact that a number of roads are being built towards the border. Units of armour are also present in the area, ready for future deployment. The forces under Lt-Gen Reith can be used for rapid deployment by Nato from Albania into Kosovo. A further thousand troops are expected to join the Nato force in the near future. AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: kids and guns
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- === NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.lp.org/ === For release: May 21, 1999 === For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Do guns turn children into criminals? Myth-shattering federal study says: No WASHINGTON, DC -- Want to dramatically reduce the chance that your child will commit a gun-related crime or -- heaven forbid -- go on a shooting spree? Here's a surprising suggestion from the Libertarian Party: Buy your youngster a gun. "The evidence is in: The simplest way to reduce firearm-related violence among children is to buy them a gun and teach them how to use it responsibly," said Steve Dasbach, national director of the Libertarian Party. "When it comes to preventing youthful violence, the Second Amendment apparently works better than the so-called solutions being proposed by politicians, such as a ban on assault weapons or mandated 'child-proof' safety locks on guns." Says who? Says a detailed study by the federal government entitled "Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuse." The study was conducted from 1993-1995 by the U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention. In an attempt to determine the relationship between "problem behaviors" like drug use, teen pregnancy, and crime, child psychologists tracked 4,000 boys and girls aged 6 to 15 in Denver, Pittsburgh, and Rochester, NY. The findings were a slap in the face to "conventional wisdom" about children and guns, said Dasbach -- and a sharp rebuke to the recent vote by the U.S. Senate to enact new gun-control laws that impact on teenagers. According to the study: * Children who get guns from their parents don't commit gun crimes (0%), while children who get illegal guns are very likely to do so (21%). * Children who get guns from parents are less likely to commit any kind of street crime (14%) than children who have no gun in the house (24%) -- and are dramatically less likely to do so than children who acquire an illegal gun (74%). * Children who get guns from parents are less likely to use drugs (13%) than children who get illegal guns (41%). "Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use [than boys who own illegal guns] and are even slightly less delinquent than non-owners of guns," the study reported. If the federal government knows that children and guns are not -- in and of themselves -- a dangerous combination, why are so many politicians demanding that new laws be passed to "protect" children? "Politicians are apparently more interested in demonizing guns -- and repealing the Second Amendment on the installment plan -- than they are in facts," suggested Dasbach. "But as this study shows, if gun ownership by kids is not the problem, banning gun ownership by kids can't be the solution." So are Libertarians saying that every parent should buy their child a gun? "Of course not," said Dasbach. "Deciding whether to give your son or daughter a gun is a serious decision that every parent will have to make. Many parents may decide that their children are not mature enough to responsibly and safely learn how to use a gun, and you have to respect that decision. "But the point is: Parents are better able to make that decision than a bunch of poll-driven politicians in Washington, DC. Parents seem to understand that the best way to reduce gun crimes by juveniles is to promote more responsible gun ownership -- not more irresponsible gun bans." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBN0RLa9CSe1KnQG7RAQHJ/gP/XGv9bBCtp8ugQRWLZfkaGiTdaYF0qU2r qh8UvQxz5j31jYhRE2CjSwzTI4Htl4fNyKG0LTFK3GLq8ewgyx3yY9PmoDPqoXc/ m4EavZwa389s7IJjaPMdOeXc1P3u3+YxeJd85FYTmxcOiVOP7BwmY7AFh6U3yVzc ePEQGdFwVCo= =ZExf -END PGP SIGNATURE- The Libertarian Party http://www.lp.org/ 2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100 voice: 202-333-0008 Washington DC 20037 fax: 202-333-0072 For subscription changes, please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the subject line -- or use the WWW form. AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer
Re: [CTRL] Fw: House requires NASA to post anti-drug messages on web sites
-Caveat Lector- I think this is good, and I would like to write some of the propaganda for them: "Kiddies, now don't grow up to be like President Clinton.and he didn't even inhale" Just say, well - No thank you, I do not want to grow up and be like President Clinton." Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] How Did TV Show Know Who Would Be Next Israeli PM?
-Caveat Lector- 21 May 99 Did anyone catch the beginning of the "Millennium" --executive producer Chris Carter's creation-- show where a scene had a news report saying that the new prime minister of Isreal was Barak. If the election happened just a few days ago, how did a TV show that's taped know he was going to get elected prime minister? Regards, -A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Did TV Show Know Who Would Be Next Israeli PM?
-Caveat Lector- Well, once I had a friend bake my bossie a cake that said "Congratulations" and I said, what you going to do if he loses. On the flip side, I suggested Goodbye Old Pal. So you see, they may have had two tapes, like newspapers draw up when not sure who will be electeddidn't work with Dewey against Harry Truman, so they make up two headlines proclaiming both winners. Or else, they saw the handwriting on the wall, with the CIA over there messing around in the election. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [1] Military Corruption/Drug Trafficking
-Caveat Lector- I always thought that there was a drug trafficking connection to the case of Jeffrey McDonald. I don't remember where I read or heard it but I thought that he had gotten wind of the fact that the US government was shipping bodies back from Vietnam full of Heroin and that THAT was one of the reasons that he was set up for the murder of his family. I could be wrong but that is what I remember. It seems the military has been doing this sort of thing for a long time, not to mention assassination, murder, and mind control. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Joshua Report #26 Americas Darkest Hour
-Caveat Lector- The Joshua Report #26 "America"s Darkest Hour" -- Michael the Outlawlady The Joshua Files http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Revived Red Brigade Attacks NATO
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In a message dated 99-05-21 15:11:13 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm not ruling your analysis out, Goat, but ...
My sense is that the Red Brigades were (are?) genuinely Communist,
but that their funding comes indirectly, via a cutout, from the Oligarchy,
for the reasons you suggest.
I'll buy that, for simplicity's sake. But generally speaking, any group (of
WHATEVER political orientation, "Right" or "Left") whose activities are used
("Cui bono?") to further the interests of the "Oligarchy" is ipso facto
already under the control of individuals DIRECTLY --knowingly and willingly--
serving the "Oligarchy," and the sincere political beliefs of OTHERS in that
group is irrelevant except insofar as it supports the "cover."
Thus, while there may indeed have been ideologically-committed
Marxist-Leninist or Maoist "true believers" in the Red Brigade, certain of
their "commanders" were in fact Rightist agents provocateurs -- with the
result that many (or even most) of its acts of "Communist" terrorism were
ordered by "ANTI-Communists," by NATO and the CIA,
working through the Bush-CIA/Haig-NATO-Mafia-P2-Fascist In'l networks of the
'80s.
A similar "Communist" cover story --blaming "the Bulgarian KGB"-- was used by
the CIA in the attempted Papal "hit" by Agca (of NATO's fascist Grey Wolves
in Turkey)
during the same period, when the Vatican was being brought "into line" by the
West.
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[CTRL] How-To Manual for Assassins
-Caveat Lector- Hit Man Manual Publisher Settles By MARY PEMBERTON .c The Associated Press BALTIMORE (AP) -- A publisher agreed Friday to stop selling a book on how to be a hit man and will pay millions of dollars to two families who claimed a hired assassin used the manual to kill their loved ones. Paladin Press of Boulder, Colo., settled a federal lawsuit filed by the family of Mildred Horn and her 8-year-old quadriplegic son, Trevor, and the family of nurse Janice Saunders. The lawsuit, which was scheduled to go to trial next week, accused Paladin Press of providing James Perry with a 130-page blueprint for murder. Perry was convicted of killing the Horns and Ms. Saunders in 1993, a year after ordering the book, ``Hit Man: A Technical Manual for Independent Contractors.'' Perry is on death row. Lawrence T. Horn, Mrs. Horn's ex-husband, was sentenced to life in prison for hiring Perry so he could inherit the $1.7 million estate his son won from a medical malpractice suit. The amount of the settlement, in which Paladin agreed to stop selling its book, was not made public. John Marshall, an attorney for the families, would describe it only as ``a multi-million dollar settlement.'' Paladin lawyer Lee Levine said the recent school shootings in Colorado and Georgia could have made it harder to convince a jury that the book did not cause the murders or substantially help Perry commit them. More than 13,000 copies of the book have been sold since it was first published in 1983. It offers tips for deadly effectiveness, such as shooting victims in the head. Ms. Horn and Ms. Saunders were shot in the eye. Trevor's breathing tube was disconnected. Paladin lawyers claimed the book was intended for a wide audience including crime buffs and mystery writers and said there were few similarities between Perry's crimes and the book. Paladin lawyers said Perry learned what he knew while growing up in a tough Detroit neighborhood. But in 1997, a federal appeals court allowed the lawsuit, saying the book was ``a step-by-step murder manual'' for assassins. The 13,500-member Society of Professional Journalists filed a court brief in support of Paladin Press, saying the suit threatens the right of free speech. ``Unfortunately, the timing for the suit is difficult given our recent experience with the Littleton, Colorado, shooting,'' said Wendy S. Myers, the group's president. And Bob Vanderet, a Los Angeles lawyer who represents movie studios, TV producers and book publishers, said the case is making the entertainment industry nervous. A Louisiana court cited the Paladin case in its decision to uphold a lawsuit against director Oliver Stone and his film ``Natural Born Killers.'' The suit was brought by the family of a convenience store clerk who was shot and paralyzed. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Euro Caused Banking Chaos
-Caveat Lector- The Guardian (UK) Euro launch took British banking to brink of chaos Investigation: Scramble for billions during two weeks of trading gridlock By Lisa Buckingham and Jill Treanor Friday May 14, 1999 http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/The_Paper/Daily/Story/0,3604,50176,00.html Britain's banking system repeatedly came within hours of gridlock when the euro began trading at the start of the year, senior industry sources have revealed belatedly. Chaos threatened to engulf the payments systems between Europe's banks and only the deployment of emergency plans devised by a group of more than 30 of the region's largest banks -- known as the Heathrow Group, after the London airport location used for meetings -- ensured that problems remained largely under control. The existence of 20 different payments systems meant money being transferred from one country to another often ended up in the wrong place. That meant the receiving bank might have been short of funds to pay other debts and any hint of default would be regarded as disastrous. At the time the euro was launched, the investment bank Warburg Dillon Read warned that at least one European institution had made the same payment five times over, totalling £400m. Congestion in the system also meant some banks received huge inflows of funds last thing in the day and were unable to invest them in the interbank market so that large interest payments were lost. It forced many banks to borrow, expensively, billions of euros which are not usually necessary. This unprecedented scale of overnight borrowing lasted for more than two weeks. Money did not go missing, one senior source said: 'The system was never out of balance in terms of total liquidity -- it was just that it wasn't quite where it should have been.' Traditionally a payment instruction in German marks would clear in Frankfurt wh ile one in French francs would clear in Paris: The multinational nature of the euro ended this. Another senior banker said the settlement systems designed for the launch of the euro had 'suffered a degree of indigestion' but, he added, most of the problems had been overcome. A complex web of negotiations is under way between major British and continental lenders seeking to recoup interest lost when payments were not made on time or additional interest had to be paid. The Heathrow Group devised a 'no fault' compensation system which is being put into operation. 'Some banks had to go out and find funding of billions of euros to ensure they could close their positions at the end of the day,' said one executive. Particular problems were experienced by some banking groups in Germany, France, Holland and Austria. 'When it all started going belly-up at the beginning of euro trading, the banks in the Heathrow Group got things moving. There was a danger of payments gridlock, but we worked together to try to avoid these difficulties,' recalls one of the executives involved. 'It was a very, very valuable group and we need something like that worldwide to cope with the Year 2000 problem.' The Bank of England -- whose role in smoothing the launch of the euro was yesterday described by one banker as 'superb' -- has attempted to play down the market's difficulties for fear of sparking a cash crunch for the banks and fuelling alarms about what might happen to the system at the millennium. Bank executives know the financial system is dependent on consumer and business confidence and that anything which damages it could undermine the sector's prosperity. Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited 1999 - DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch Gov't Faces Threat of Democracy
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-21 07:57:37 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some people favor freedom, liberty and equality over the whims of the majority. No people ever knowingly, willingly gave away their freedom, liberty and equality due to the "whims" of a MAJORITY. These things only perish, as a rule, at the whim of some MINORITY -- usually an elite which CLAIMS to represent the "higher principles" of ALL men. It's the elitists who despise and fear "the masses" who should never be trusted. The worst thing I can say about "the masses" is that they are foolish enough to believe the false promises of their elites. But then, whose fault is it, when elites, knowing that weakness, devote all their energy to "civilizing" man by institutionalizing his gullibility? Without fools, elites would have no one to exploit and would be seen for what they are, sociopathic criminals --liars, thieves, blackmailers, and murderers-- pure and simple. All criticisms of "democracy" as "inevitably deteriorating into mob role" ultimately go back to Plato, an elitist himself (being a dispossessed aristocrat) and --beyond even Hegel-- the father of totalitarianism, equally responsible for communism and fascism. Even in HIS analysis, "mob rule" is confined to one brief moment in the historic cycle when the masses, exhausted by betrayal, are persuaded to swap "liberal" demagogues for an authoritarian elite, thus restoring (for Plato) "the Golden Age" of autocratic rule. (Plato's model for his "philosopher king" was an Oriental despot, "Sun-King" Emperor of Persia, whose army almost conquered a Greece "weakened by republican sentiments.") DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] I. T. T. LINCOLN aka ISAAC (or IGNATIUS) TIMOTHY TREBITSCH
-Caveat Lector- An excerpt from: Spies Jay Robert Nash©1997 M. Evans and Company, Inc. 216 East 49th Street New York, NY 10017 ISBN 0-87131-790-7 624pps - LINCOLN, ISAAC (or IGNATIUS) TIMOTHY TREBITSCH Hungarian Spy-for-Hire (1872 or 1879-1943) COLORFUL AND UNPREDICTABLE, FEW PEOPLE EVER really knew Isaac (or Ignatius) Timothy Trebitsch Lincoln. Those who did professed later to be utterly mystified by him. He was an adventurer who knew no loyalties, except to himself. At one time or another he was a political spyan espionage agent for many nationsoften feeding information to both sides. This human chameleon was also a journalist, religious leader, member of British Parliament, forger, Buddhist monk, and mandarin. Charming, witty, a linguist and business entrepreneur, Lincoln traveled throughout Europe, England, America, and the Far East. He counted as friends European kings, Chinese princes, American statesmen, as well as low-life confidence men, cat burglars, and prostitutes. Born with the name Trebitsch in Paks, outside of Budapest, Hungary, Lincoln's father was a successful Jewish shipbuilder, his business located on the Danube. As a child, Lincoln received an exceptional private education that included learning many languages. Then, in 1896, apparently with the police on his heels for some minor offense, Lincoln hastily departed Hungary and journeyed to England. With little money in his pocket, Lincoln found shelter in Whitechapel, the Jewish quarter of London that had been the prowling grounds of Jack the Ripper only eight years earlier. There Lincoln met the Rev. Epstein, who represented a society that attempted to convert Jews to Christianity. After a short period in which he was accused of stealing small amounts, Lincoln fled to Germany. In Hamburg he studied theology and was baptized in the Methodist Church. From Hamburg, Lincoln went to Canada where he officially converted to Lutheranism, studied for the ministry, and seduced a ship captain's daughter. Confronted with his sexual transgression by the girl's father and seminary officials, Lincoln admitted that, indeed, he had fallen in love and intended to marry the girl. Following the marriage, Lincoln and his wife traveled to remote timber and mining camps in Canada, serving as Lutheran missionaries. Lincoln was a magnificent orator with a stentorian voice and he was hailed as one of the most dynamic religious speakers in the country at the Halifax International Missionary Exhibition. He came to meet provincial governors, statesmen, and business tycoons. Lincoln tired of Lutheran dogma, however, and switched to the Anglican church, again studying for the ministry. On Christmas Day, 1902, he was ordained an Anglican minister by no less a personage than the Archbishop of Montreal. Within three months, Lincoln complained that his religious duties had exhausted him. He left Canada, traveled to Hamburg, Germany, and then went back to England. Lincoln then wrote to the Archbishop of Canterbury, requesting a license to officiate in England. This was granted. Quitting his post in Kent in 1905, Lincoln went to York where he took up teaching in a Quaker school. He met Quaker leader and cocoa millionaire Seebohm Rowntree who was a prominent member of the Liberal Party. Rowntree was so impressed with Lincoln that he made him his private secretary and assigned him research projects. Lincoln diligently worked for his mentor Rowntree from 1906 to 1909, the longest period of any time in his life that he kept a single job. There was a purpose to Lincoln's diligence. He had learned all he could from Rowntree, using his mentor's political connections to establish himself as candidate of the Radical Party in Darlington. To that end, he also officially changed his name to Lincoln and became a naturalized British citizen. He was known as Trebitsch-Lincoln or simply Lincoln. Funds for the campaign were supplied by Lincoln himself, money, it was later claimed, he had purloined from Rowntree's ample coffers, although no one could ever prove the misappropriation. To almost everyone's surprise, Lincoln was elected to Parliament, making his first speech before the House of Commons on February 23, 1910. Follow members thought little of Lincoln except as an object of mirth; his decided accent was mimicked and mocked. After losing his seat in Parliament, Lincoln became a contributing writer for several London newspapers. He next decided to go into the oil business, convincing the gullible Rowntree to loan him money, and, through Rowntree, he also obtained considerable funds from the London joint Stock Bank. Investments in European oil proved disastrous and Lincoln went bankrupt. He went back to journalism, serving as a foreign correspondent in covering the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913. Lincoln saw that he could make money by selling information, so he became a paid spy for Bulgaria. When he realized that he could earn money from both sides, he offered his
[CTRL] [6] From Major Jordan's Diaries
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: From Major Jordan's Diaries George Racey Jordan©1952 All rights reserved Western Islands 395 Concord Avenue Belmont. Massachusetts 02178 PRINTING HISTORY Harcourt, Brace edition published 1952 Free Enterprise edition published 1958 American Opinion edition published 1961 The Americanist Library edition published 1965 out-of-print 170pps --[6]-- CHAPTER SIX "Don't Make a Big Production" Colonel Kotikov's first concern, each morning, was to visit the chart room in the Operations Office. A huge map, showing the route from Great Falls to Fairbanks, had been mounted on the magnetized steel wall which held in position small metal markers, on each of which hung a tag bearing the number of each plane en route. The markers were moved forward by a WAC assistant, on a ladder, in accordance with teletype advice coming in. Colonel Kotikov could read the situation at a glance. Toward the end of April, 1943, there was an unusual congestion of Airacobra pursuit planes at our field. We usually handled about 400 a month, in comparision with 80 medium bombers and 15 cargo ships in the same period; the Airacobras were used as anti-tank weapons by the Russians. There was always a chronic shortage of American pilots, but in 1943 the demand was ravenous-in the Atlantic, in the Pacific, in Europe, in Asia, and in the American system of global air transport which was a wonder of the war. Now, to Kotikov's disgust and fury, as many as 200 Airacobras were stacked up on the field. The markers clustered on the map as thick as bees. When he criticized us for allowing the situation to develop, I pointed out that the Russians had troubles, too; this he took as an insult. "Never, never," he shouted, "does Russia have shortage of pilots!" He said he could order 10,000 Russian pilots to Great Falls in a matter of days. "And you'll have to feed them!" he said with satisfaction. He made life miserable for Colonel L. Ponton d'Arce, commander of Gore Field. "We've got to have more pilots," he yelled. Colonel d'Arce assured him that the problem had been taken personally in hand by Major General Harold L. George, chief of the Air Transport Command; and the head of his Alaskan Wing, Brigadier General William H. Tunner. The Russian's contempt was supreme. "Bah, promises!" he snarled. And then, all of a sudden, something happened. Two days later, out of inbound craft tumbled strange new fliers, bewildered and annoyed. Some had been snatched from well earned rest between trips to Ireland. Others hailed from bases in Puerto Rico, Long Beach, Boca Raton, Oklahoma City. Test pilots had been plucked from Wright Field. There were even a few prodigies with instrument certificates; such defers of storm and darkness were rare as hen's teeth. The group totaled about twenty, in contrast to the mere three General Tunner had scraped together. Few of the pilots had ever heard of Great Falls, and all were dumfounded by its extensive facilities and operations. "What the hell's going on here?" they muttered. Some were disturbed at finding they were to pilot Airacobras to Alaska, almost a synonym for the North Pole. Scarcely one had driven a pursuit plane since flight training days, so we set up a refresher course in take-offs and landing. After a short time the emergency squad vanished as if it had never been. Word was prompt to arrive at headquarters of the Air Transport Command, and there was an uproar. It was absolutely forbidden to procure pilots except through ATC which alone could judge the whole situation and decide which emergency was most critical in the entire war effort. Colonel d'Arce informed me he had been reproved for "going outside channels," and asked whether I was the one who called in the extra pilots. Colonel Kotikov, to whom I appealed, promptly stated that he was responsible. He had simply got tired of waiting and gone "straight to Mr. Hopkins." "So that's how it was," Colonel d'Arce scowled bitterly. One morning a few weeks later, I was standing at my usual post beside Colonel Kotikov's desk. At his elbow lay a stack of folders with which I had long been acquainted. They were held together with elastics. On the outside binder was pasted a typewritten label in English, "Re: Experimental Chemicals." While telephoning to Washington, the Colonel would often cry out: "Chemicalsl" I would fetch the sheaf of documents from his wife, who as his secretary kept them in a locked drawer. This portfolio was the apple of his eye. Mrs. Kotikov took it home every night. I sometimes stopped by the Pennsylvania Apartments in the morning and drove them to work. I once saw Mrs. Kotikov drag the dossier from a hiding-place under the mattress, while her husband was pulling on his handsome boots of black leather. When the chemical dossiers were complete and ready for Moscow, together with kindred folders on "Metals," Kotikov refused to trust them to an ordinary messenger. His courier was a luminary of the Soviet
[CTRL] [1] The Right People
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: The Right People - A Portrait of the American Social Establishment Stephen Birmingham©1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1968 Little, Brown and Company BostonoTronronto LCCN 68-11525 360ppsout-of-print - Part One The Social Establishment: Growing Up "Upper" 1. Who Are Who? IN America, there is Society. Then there is Real Society. Real Society is a part of Society the upper part. Everybody who is in Society knows who the people in Real Society are. But the people in Real Society do not necessarily know who the other Society people are. The two groups seldom mix. Real Society is composed of older people. It is composed of older families. Older families are better people. Better people are nicer people. Newer people may be richer people than older people. That doesn't matter. Ordinary Society people may get to be Real Society people one day only if they work at it. It sounds confusing, but it is really very simple. Cream rises to the top. Once, in my extreme youth, I had the difference between Society and Real Society demonstrated to me rather vividly. I was perhaps fifteen, and I was at a dinner party in New York in a very grand or so it seemed to metown house in the East Sixties. (The house seemed grand because it bad one room, called "the music room," which contained no furniture whatever except a huge golden cello in a glass case.) The party was a children's party before one of the "junior dances," I forget which, and we were offered our choice (it seemed a grand choice, too) of sauterne or tomato juice. It was the first party to which I had worn a black tie. My clothes were new, my shave was new and I, too, was very new. I was so new that I made the mistake of offering to carry the plate of the young lady I was escorting, along with my own plate, back to the buffet table for seconds of creamed chicken in timbales and petits pois. And, in the process of carrying the two laden plates back to our seats, my cummerbund, newly acquired and only dimly understood, became undone. I was in the center of the room when I felt it begin to slip, and I clapped my elbows tight against my sides to stop it. But it continued to slide down about my hips. Lowering myself to a half-crouch, and jabbing my right elbow into my upper thigh, I became aware that the plate I held in my left hand had emptied itself of peas and chicken, and I felt this warm, moist mass flowing along my arm, inside the sleeve of my dinner jacket. This was not a Real Society dinner party. I know because, a few days later, when I told this story in all its detail to a lady who was a member of Real Society, she said, "Do you mean they served Sauterne and not Dubonnet? How dreadful!" She might have added, too, that no young gentleman of Real Society would have found himself in such a predicament. He would not have carried a young lady's plate to the serving table. He would have let her take care of herself. Real Society people, I once thought, do not listen to what other people are saying. But I was wrong. They listen, but their ears are attuned to different sounds; they respond to different cues. It is not that they miss ordinary conversations, but they pick up different drifts. It is as though most people were on AM and they were on FM. Once, at a Saltonstall wedding in the 1940's, one guest was overheard whispering to another, "Did you know that she was for Wallace?" There was a pause, and then the other guest said thoughtfully, "Really? Wallace Who?" In Philadelphia recently, a matron was exclaiming to a visitor over the great supply of books and plays that have been written about the Philadelphia social scene Kitty Foyle, The Philadelphia Story, and more recently, Richard Powell's The Philadelphian. The visitor commented that be, personally as an outsider had found parts of Mr. Powell's novel hard to credit. "Oh, really?" said the lady eagerly. "So did I. Tell me what it was that bothered you." The visitor cited the opening section of the book, which centers about a Philadelphia Society wedding. As readers of the novel will remember, when the fictional bride and groom have settled in their wedding-night rooms at the Bellevue-Stratford, the bride makes the belated discovery that her husband is impotent. In her distress, she runs out of the hotel into Broad Street where, walking in the opposite direction, she encounters a burly construction worker whom she has eyed admiringly in the past. He is drunk, and walking arm in arm with a prostitute. In the convenient darkness, the young bride pays off the prostitute and takes the arm of the construction worker, who does not notice the artful substitution. The bride and her new beau now proceed to a handy shed where their union is consummated. (And, in the best tradition of modern fiction, where one encounter guarantees a pregnancy, the young woman nine months later gives birth to the child who becomes the novel's hero.) Meanwhile, back at
[CTRL] [1] Ritual Abuse
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/006250214X/qid%3D927352586/002-3461835- 2263828 A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/006250214X/qid%3D927352586/002-34 61835-2263828"Amazon.com: A Glance: Ritual Abuse : What It Is /A - Ritual Abuse : What It Is, Why It Happens, and How to Help by Margaret Smith ASIN: 006250214X Availability: This title is out of print. Synopsis Ritual abuse, perpetrated by secretive cults within groups as diverse as Christian sects, Satanic worshipers, and even day-care providers, often involves the drugging, torture, rape, and exposure of children to animal or human sacrifice. Smith's courageous work offers clear insights and hard facts about this most underestimated form of child abuse. From the author, Margaret Smith , May 3, 1998 additional resources Even though this book is no longer in print, I consider it to have been a success. In its lifetime, this book sold several thousand copies (in the 5 digits) and was translated into German. I have heard that copies may still be available through used bookstores or other hard-to-find book resources. Please feel free to also visit the following web-site for an on-line copy of my second book "It's Love and Unity I Want". www2.netcom.com/~comfort - Margaret Customer Comments Number of Reviews: 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] from White Plains, New York , April 2, 1998 A very honest and hard look at the affects of ritual abuse. Unfortunatly this book told me about me. I hope people will read it and try to help the innocent victims of this terrible crime. I admire Margaret Smith's courage and strength to write this book in order to educate and help people know and understand, and that there is hope for survival. A reader from Michigan , January 21, 1998 A hard read, but one that is imbued with hopefulness. Of the books currently available on ritual abuse, Margaret Smith's is the clearest and cleanest. She shares information in a factual way without glossing over the experiences of survivors. This is a hard read, but one that is imbued with hopefulness, and belief in survivability. Anyone who seeks to understand the nature of good and evil should read this book, and work honestly with the reactions that will unavoidably come up. - an excerpt from: Ritual Abuse Margaret Smith©1993 HarperCollins Publishers 10 East 53rd Street New York, NY 10022 ISBN 0-06-250214-X 213pps - Preface If there is even a small chance that one ritual abuse claim is true, we owe it to all potential victims to explore the problem of ritual abuse in greater depth. Why immediately discount those who say they were ritually abused when history reveals that religious and political obsession often leads to violence? Innocent women, children, and men were tortured during the Inquisition because of religious obsession. Adolf Hitler, in the name of political obsession, turned a whole country into a murdering nation by killing innocent Jews and other minority groups. Recently, near Waco, Texas, we once again saw how the obsessive spiritual beliefs of a group, led by David Koresh who said he was the second coming of Christ, led to violence. Ritual abuse survivors say they were violently abused in religious rituals by groups that were using them as magical tools or that were trying to indoctrinate them into the belief system of the group. They say the groups are extremely violent and secretive, and hence do not live in communal settings, as was the case in Waco, Texas. Are claims of ritual abuse really that bizarre after we reflect upon the historical acts of groups that were obsessed with religion and politics? There is some truth to the claim that a few advocates for ritual abuse survivors have irresponsibly approached the topic of ritual abuse. Nevertheless, it is hasty to discount all accusations of ritual abuse merely because some advocates do not appear credible. It is not beyond the realm of possibilities that there are dangerous religious cults in our communities. Four states have now passed laws specifically prohibiting ritual child abuse. A number of studies have been conducted that illustrate the marked similarities in abuse allegations of adult and child ritual abuse survivors. Convictions have been obtained in over ten court cases in which the children made allegations of ritual abuse. We need to know more about the problem. We need to know who the groups are and what are the belief systems of the people ritually abusing children. We need to know how prevalent the problem is. We need to know how to protect the children and how to help the adults heal. We need legislation to protect the victims. We need you to care. As you read this book, you may find that some ritual abuse allegations are more difficult to believe than others. All we ask is that you believe what you can. If
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.
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Gavin Phillips wrote:
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Very good. I have been very busy lately and haven't had much time to read
the
hundreds of posts building in my mailbox. Interesting that nurev turns out
to
be a statist.
I'm done with this subject for now in light of a REALLY dangerous
situation in
Europe. But I will reply briefly. I am far less concerned with what
your
Libertarian fears are about the state and guns, than you are.
The government will take care of us, right Nurev? Let the
government murderers and cowards of the FBI and ATF have the guns. They did
such a great job at Ruby Ridge, Waco, the World Trade Bombing, and the OKC
bombing plus the tens of thousands of other illegal activities these 90's
gestapo have perpetrated in the last few years (civil asset forfeiture). Yes
that's right nurev, we will feel so much safer when they are the only ones
to
have guns. We will then only have government orchestrated mass murder and
subjugation.
I am NOT required to take your paranoid foolishness seriously.
Gavin;
When the government tortures, gases, shoots and incinerates some 80 kids,
woman and men for absolutely no reason. Paranoid foolishness?
Law enforcement shoots a 14 year old in the back and his nursing mother in
the face, killing them both. Paranoid foolishess?
FBI instruct their undecover agent, Elam A. Salem in the New York World Trade
Center Bombing, not to switch a harmless powder for the bomb and it blows up.
They then pay him (bribe?) a million dollars for his testimony against the
supposed bombers. Paranoid foolishness?
An ATF agent at the scene in the OKC bombing told Bruce Shaw that there were
no ATF in the building at the time of the explosions, they were paged and
told not to go to work that day. Shaws employer overheard this conversation.
The government is lieing about every aspect of this incident-period. Paranoid
foolishness?
Nurev, you are either incurably ignorant as to the facts in the above cases,
or worse, you do not care, or the mountain of evidence proving massive
government malfeasence is inconvenient to your argument so you ignore it.
But then that is alright with you, isn't it? You have the gall
to advocate taking guns away from American citizens and only giving
government agancies the right to have guns. A government completely
corrupted
from the top down. Your hero, rapist, murderer and one of the most thorough
going bastards to ever desecrate the White House, Bill Clinton is to be
trustes with this power. You believe it is better to have Bill in charge of
government agencies who are armed against an unarmed populace?
I think that my position on Government and Clinton is quite clear by
now. But I don't trust you armed even more than I don't trust the
Government armed. That's because
you are a " true believer " with a gun and seemingly nuts to boot. I,
and apparently
very many of your fellow citizens don't trust you with weapons. How
about that?
Gavin;
I am not a "true believer" in anything except religious matters. Stop making
assumptions. I have never shot or owned a gun in my life.(except an air gun
when I was 12. Really powerful, you could see the pellet coming out of the
barrel). Do us all a favor, and cut down on the purile name calling, it
doesn't strengthen your argument. ("and seemingly nuts to boot")
It seems that you Nurev are starting to become a "true believer" in the
government's/mainstream media's propaganda swill about why Americans should
be disarmed. Nothing, nothing Billl Clinton does or attempts to do is for the
good of Americans. He marches to a different tune, his agenda is given to him
by the people who put him there and who have been covering his backside for
the last 7 years, and some 60 convenient deaths. The string pullers behind
the curtain pulling Clintons and many other politicians strings know they
have to get the guns in order to subjugate us even further. You cannot have a
dictatorship without first getting the guns. If you are naive enough to
believe that the whores in Washington are after the guns for our benefit you
reallly need to hit the books. You really think Clinton, Reno and the many
other politicopaths give a damn about us. As for your statement;
"and apparently very many of your fellow citizens don't trust you with
weapons. How about that?" As you know, very many of our fellow citizens
change their opinion more often than their underwear. Their opinion changes
according to the latest manipulated media poll and what ever is politically
correct at the time. If the time ever came when the government passed a law
to ban all weapons and there were hundreds of Wacos going on, you might find
their opinion rapidly changing. Don't count on support from sheep. They go
wherever public opinion and emotion herds them.
You so quickly forget history's many lessons of dictators disarming the
citizenry only to be followed by genocide. What about the Warsaw uprising in
which a
[CTRL] Fwd: S99-85, Day 59 (May 21, 10:00PM EDT) - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's
FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA The Special Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins on NATO's war on Serbia, such as the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site: www.truthinmedia.org which is being updated throughout the day. Issue S99-85, Day 59 --- May 21, 1999; 10:00PM EDT HEADLINES Pristina1. NATO Kills 19 at a Kosovo Prison Belgrade 2. And Now the Swiss, Too, Get Plastered Washington3. NATO: Sorry, No Proof Available This Time... Belgrade 4. "Stop Murdering Us!" (A Serb Doctor) London 5. "We're Outsiders, But Serbia Is Home" San Francisco6. "Forgive Us, Your Holiness!" (An American Priest) 1. NATO Kills 19 at a Kosovo Prison PRISTINA, May 21 - One day after killing four people at a Belgrade hospital and wounding scores of others (see S99-84, Day 58, Item 1, May 20), NATO jets bombed a prison in Istok, Kosovo, for the second time in two days Friday. The bombs killed 19 people, including the deputy governor, and wounded at least 10, the Reuters news wire reported today. Both prisoners and guards were among the casualties of the strikes, during which more than 20 missiles were fired. Istok (the word means "East" in Serbian) is some 70km (45 miles) west of Pristina. --- TiM Ed.: "For the second time in two days?" In other words, it can't be another "accident," as the NATO apologists are fond of saying. What have these East (Istok) guards and prisoners done to NATO to deserve a death sentence by the West? We know, there is no need to answer this rhetorical question. Anymore than one can explain why the innocent people at that Belgrade hospital deserved to be killed. (By the way, the fourth victim killed at the hospital on May 20 was a security guard, the New York Times reported today). Except perhaps, that all of them were also east of the west? Confused? Normal people would be. But that's evidently the logic used in target selection by the NATO master-killer of civilians, Gen. Wesley Kanne Clark and his assistant henchmen. -- 2. And Now the Swiss, Too, Get Plastered BELGRADE, May 21 - On the 58th night of NATO air strikes against Yugoslavia, four missiles also hit a fuel depot in Belgrade, and the blast shattered the windows of the Swiss ambassador's residence as he was hosting a National Day reception, the Reuters news wire also reported today. Swedish ambassador, Mats Staffansson, whose own residence was damaged in a strike 24 hours earlier, and other guests had to hurl themselves under tables when bombs shook the building. "At quarter past eight, we had just got to dessert when it exploded," Staffansson told Stockholm's Aftenbladet daily. "Four cruise missiles hit a fuel depot just 300 meters from the Swiss residence and an enormous pressure wave shattered a very large window in the dining room. "Myself, the Slovakian ambassador and the Vatican's ambassador immediately threw ourselves under the table to avoid flying glass," he said. --- TiM Ed.: Talk about uninvited guests! First, the Swedish ambassador's residence.. Now the Swiss... Which diplomatic site will be next victim of NATO's "smart bombs?" (As it turns out, both "U"-embassies, the U.K. and U.S., come after the letter "S" in the alphabet. And their ambassador's (empty) residences are in the same neighborhood). Wouldn't it be a show fit for a late-night comedy hour, even at this tragic time in world's history, to see Bill Clinton and Tony Blair having to apologize to each other for having bombed each other's empty embassies? It would certainly punctuate all the empty promises which they have made to the American and British electorate. -- 3. NATO: Sorry, No Proof Available This Time... WASHINGTON, May 21 - When the NATO "precision-guided" bombs killed scores of ethnic Albanians in the Kosovo town of Korisa (see S99-79, Day 53, Item 1, May 15), the alliance spokesmen blamed the deaths on Yugoslav authorities, claiming they had used the refugees as "human shields" by forcing them to spend the night next to a military command post and artillery bunker. But a week after the embarrassing mishap, NATO's military command announced that it will not release surveillance photographs and summaries of intercepted radio transmissions to back up its claim that the site was a "legitimate military target," the Washington Post reported today. After the bombing, and contrary to the assertion of the military spokesmen in Brussels and at the Pentagon, however, the refugees said they saw no signs that the compound was being used as a local military or police command center, the Post said. Nor did they report seeing any of the artillery pieces that NATO claimed were destroyed in the attack. A Washington Post reporter who visited the scene and talked to survivors a day after the attack also reported seeing no evidence of a recent military
[CTRL] Fwd: Hitler and The Spear of Destiny
The above story re Hitler and the Spear of Destiny is worth reading inasmuch as it shows the mentor behind Hitler...and other intresting items...not too long. Rather, who pulled Hitler's strings, and paid for his guns. One itemthe Nazis first disarmed the public; has the Jewish people been armed along with other groups in Nazi Germany, Hitler could not have possibly taken over... Under Hitler, and under Clintonwith Janet Reno as his mad Butcherit is beyond believe, but Clinton and his henchmen are verging on atrocities for which the United States may never recover; and behind the plot, its always the same old people and secret societies.they have gotten richer poisong our children with drugsthey would divide and conqurer... Trying to be kind, if I owned a gun, it would be a cold day in hell before a Nazi Storm Trooper would come to my door, after a gun I didn't have...why is Clinton smilingand why did the kids at Littleton make the Mojo sign, the sign of the devil to himwhat really happened at Littleton, and what and how is the President involved.what kind of experiments with drugs are they using on the kids these days.well, years ago the K=9 dogs turned on their masters...and everyone wondered whywas it because they were introduced to a new drug to see what would happen. Get those monsters out of our Whitehouse. Albright, Cohen, Clinton, RenoNazi butchers. Colleen http://www.compulink.co.uk/~phreak/picasso/spear.html
