[CTRL] Why Not Ban Fertilizer and Ryder Trucks too
-Caveat Lector- Mail message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aleisha Saba) Date: Fri, Apr 27, 2001, 12:34am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UN Wants to Disarm US So what else is new; this ought to be fun. They would do well to maybe ban Ryder Trucks and fertilizer? Maybe they will ban attack dogs? Now they buy big metal fangs for their dogs? My what big teeth they have, gramma? Ever check the salaries some of these people make - now that is a real holdup without a gun. Can't tell the good guys from the bad guys these days or trust your mailman on a bad hair day? Saba U.N. Wants Global Gun Ban NewsMax.com Friday, April 27, 2001 The U.N. is after Americans' Second Amendment gun rights it wants gun ownership banned in the U.S., and it's not going to stop until it gets its way. That's the warning from the National Rifle Association's Wayne LaPierre, who reveals that for the first time in the history of the world, a United Nations conference has set its sights on global disarmament disarming citizens worldwide including you and me. At an 11-day meeting beginning July 9 at U.N. headquarters in New York, every extremist anti-gun group in the world will show up at a summit on small arms, where the delegates will attempt to create a global standard of gun control, banning civilian fire arms ownership worldwide. Their aim, LaPierre warns, is to bring the nightmare of England, Australia and Canada into our country and our homes. Those nations, along with South Africa and others, have caved in to international pressure and severely restricted civilian gun ownership. Canada has gone so far as to make handgun ownership a felony. As a result, crime rates in England and Australia have skyrocketed since the gun limits went into effect, once again proving the truth of the old saying that if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. While the U.N. has no power to force the U.S. to ban gun ownership, it can, with the enthusiastic help of the foreign and domestic anti-self-defense media, create a powerful international movement to shame the U.S. into junking the Second Amendment rights of private gun ownership. You and I won't go one day without hearing that the rest of the world is banning guns and it's time for the U.S. to get in line and do the same, LaPierre wrote. As a prelude to this frightening gathering of anti-self-defense fanatics, a number of proposals have already been advanced at various U.N. forums. Among them: Strategies to reduce the number of guns in private hands that include mandating a maximum one-gun-per-person rule; A ban on possession of handguns by anyone other than government officials and target shooters who would be forced to store their weapons at shooting ranges; Worldwide licensing of firearms registered in a vast U.N. computer bank. The bottom line is that international gun banners want every gun every single gun worldwide to be under U.N. and government control, warns LaPierre. And that includes your rifle, your shotgun, your handgun, and even family heirlooms that have been handed down from generation to generation. LaPierre urges Americans to`contact Sen. Jesse Helms, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and express their outrage at this latest U.N. power grab. Helms, he notes, is already on record as deploring the U.N.'s anti-gun project. He wrote a letter to the U.S. Agency for International Development in 1999 in which he described the U.N. gun ban project: nothing less that a brazen international expansion of the [Clinton-Gore] domestic gun control agenda. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Dems' Arsenic Scare a Big Lie
-Caveat Lector-
{{Of course this story begs the question of why the arsenic levels were just
fine until the day before Clinton left office. I wonder if it had been Al
Gore being sworn in the next day if he would have even signed this on his
way out the door. I think he would not have done so and risked the wrath of
his corporate backers. But what the heck? Maybe he would have done so
since so much of his money came from foreign governemnts and militaries.
And pardons. AKE}}
With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Thursday, April 24, 2001 1:07 p.m. EDT
Dems' Arsenic Scare a Big Lie
Don't look now, but the country is in the midst of a political crime in
progress, as the Democratic Party and its media co-conspirators attempt to
hijack the truth about the threat posed by arsenic in the drinking water.
What with all the television hand-wringing over the Bush administration's
decision to put Bill Clinton's last-minute arsenic regulations on hold,
you'd think someone had actually studied the effects of current levels of
arsenic in the drinking water supply.
But it's not true.
At least not according to the Wall Street Journal, which ran an editorial on
Wednesday chock full of inconvenient details for those who hoped to foist
more politically motivated environmental junk science on an unsuspecting
public.
Since 1942, the government has deemed drinking water arsenic levels of 50
parts per billion safe for human consumption. That was the standard until
three days before Bill Clinton left the White House when, in the midst of
auctioning off pardons, he decided to tighten the restriction to 10 parts
per billion.
What evidence did the Clinton administration have that the 50 ppb standard
was dangerous? None whatsoever, it turns out.
That's because all the studies purporting to show any health risk examined
arsenic levels no lower than several hundred parts per billion, the
Journal said.
The Enivironmental Protection Agency relied on questionable extrapolations o
f existing data, i.e., if an arsenic level of 400 ppb causes 12 cases of
male bladder cancer per 1,000 population, then a 50 ppb level would cause
1.5 cancer cases.
But no one really knows if the 50 ppb standard is dangerous at all. Some
studies even suggest that arsenic in low levels is an essential nutrient,
the Journal noted.
Epidemiological evidence from Taiwan, Argentina and Chile has shown a link
between cancer and higher levels of arsenic exposure. Yet New Mexico, the
only state with routinely high levels of arsenic in the water, ranks 48th
out of 50 in per capita cases of bladder cancer.
Still, despite the absence of any scientifically documented danger, the
Democratic Party's environmental nut cases and their media mouthpieces have
got all of America wondering whether its drinking water is posioned.
Joseph Goebbels would be proud.
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[CTRL] Fw: [FP] Cell Phones to Have Location-Tracking by 2005
-Caveat Lector- == SCAN THIS NEWS 4.26.2001 --- Cell Phones to Have Location-Tracking by 2005 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C14395%2C00.html Monday, April 23, 2001 By 2005, the government will be able to track you down through your cell phone. Cell-phone manufacturers are under a federal mandate to equip mobiles with location-tracking technology beginning this October. By 2005, 95 percent of all cell phones must be able to be traced with an accuracy of about 1,000 feet or better. While such phones could be lifesavers in an emergency, the order from the Federal Communications Commission has raised serious questions about invasion of privacy. For most people, it's a very scary proposition that the government can use not only your mobile phone but your Palm Pilots ... and any other mobile device to track your every movement, said attorney Albert Gidari, of the Perkins and Coie law firm in Seattle. Making mobile phones capable of tracking users' locations will involve planting GPS chips in the handsets or installing new infrastructure in cell sites. Cellular providers plan commercial uses for the technology, such as getting directions if someone is lost, finding nearby restaurants or locating family members and friends who have gotten separated in a crowd. Wireless operators already know where consumers are by virtue of the fact that the phone is on, pointed out Ken Arneson, the chief strategy officer at Telecommunication Systems, a provider of the location-tracking technology. What's different here is that now carriers are looking to commercialize that and need to do that to offset the cost of putting this technology in place. He estimated that it could cost billions of dollars to outfit the 110 million cell phones in this country with the tracking mechanism. Some worry the technology will be used in other ways, with providers selling information to merchants or worse: stalkers or abusive relatives. If the fundamental principles of privacy aren't in place, there will be a revolt against the widespread use of the technology, Gidari said. Arneson said the privacy issue is being taken seriously and is one of the chief considerations in going forward with installing the technology. We as a company believe that there will be privacy solutions in place ... that essentially allow consumers to opt in and opt out of these various services, Arneson said. Privacy is an enormous concern. - Fox News' Jonathan Serrie contributed to this report ©Associated Press. All rights reserved. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June
But June you said you did this at approximately your age of 48 years and implied we could do the same even older. Now how could you do it at this advanced age AND have done it for 12 years professionally?This is what is known as a lie, an untruth. And I assure you that I am not stupid nor am I a liar like you. This is yet another of yours. And I have a vague idea of the differences in computers although you have implied I am totally without redeeming qualities. Even at that, I am much better off than you, dear. And I do not resort to name-calling in each and every post as you do for if I did, I would have called you a vicious lying bitch long ago. Amelia P.S. Yes, Kris, I know I need a 'time out.' - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June From: Amelia Tisk, tisk! Just this week we heard how self-taught June was on using thecomputer, implying fools like myself and Aleisha should do the same. Afterbeing banned for life, etc. Well, I do not know many 'self-taught'professionals. Actually, there are quite a few in the PC/Internet world... But my professional computer career was in mainframe and mini systems, not desktops. But then, you're too stupid to understand the difference. June _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Trial by CCTV claims innocent victim
-Caveat Lector- This is hardly a new problem. It's simply an old problem with new technology: Stupid police making unreasonable assumptions. Such as: Someone burgled a house. You were seen in the vicinity of the house. Therefore you must have burgled the house or Someone set off a bomb in a hotel. You had been patronising that hotel. Therefore you must have set off the bomb. Of course, it's usually minorities (blacks, hispanics, Irish etc.) who the police are 'naturally' suspicious of, and therefore tend to be arrested for crimes there is no real evidence they committed other than the classic 'being in the wrong place at the wrong time' evidence. There was an article posted some time ago, I think relating to the Diallo shooting, which said that black males know that if a crime is committed, they had better clear off or they are likely to be arrested if they are spotted anywhere near the scene. Having it on film like this does make it easy to sue the other parties here at least. If this fellow was black or Asian (the article doesn't mention his race) he would no doubt be able to cry 'racism' quite effectively. On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:50:56 +0100 c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Trial by CCTV claims innocent victim By: Kieren McCarthy Posted: 19/04/2001 at 16:38 GMT It may sound like a fictional short story but Allan Dunne was filmed, featured on TV as a criminal, arrested and questioned when he turned up to a police station to explain, suspended and threatened with the sack, all within two days and all thanks to modern CCTV surveillance technology. His crime? To take £20 out of his own account from a cash machine. Allan was caught on CCTV making the withdrawn soon after a thief had used the cashpoint with a stolen card. Undercover police assumed him to be an accomplice and released the footage they had of him to Granada TV's Crimefile programme. This went out on TV the next day, the Daily Mail reports. Allan immediately went to a police station with records of his bank account to explain the error but was arrested and questioned. He was eventually bailed and told to return in a month. Subsequently, his bosses suspended him. When he finally managed to get the truth of the matter across, Greater Manchester Police suddenly changed tack and apologised unreservedly. Mr Dunne can have his job back but he has yet to return because he says he's stressed out and people in the street will think he's a criminal. And can you blame him? The fact is that Allan has every right to sue not only the police but also Granada for showing the programme. And the fact remains that this would never have happened and would never have gone so far had it not been for the false confidence that people have in this surveillance technology. Just last weekend, a long feature in the Sunday Times went into this very scenario of innocent people being caught up in a web because data is accumulated so fast that people automatically assume guilt. As you may know, the UK is currently the most monitored place in the entire world. There isn't a street in London where you can't be picked up on CCTV cameras. The rest of the country is much the same. ® ~ foot tapping mentalism for all ages http://www.mp3.com/theehumancannonball A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major
Re: [CTRL] English Language Controversy In Utah (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Wasn't there a poll or referendum some years back (c.18th century) to decide whether English or Dutch should be the 'official' tounge of the Americans? On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:53:14 -0300 Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- English Language Controversy In Utah April 18, 2001 by: Phyllis Schlafly The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Utah is preparing to challenge a district court decision that properly found the state's new official English law constitutional. Utah voters approved the law as Initiative A on the ballot in last November's election. Third District Judge Ronald E. Nehring declared the voter-approved official English statute constitutional but largely symbolic. He ruled that government employees may speak any language in the course of doing business, but only communications that are in English are official, while everything else is unofficial. Probably the ACLU will include some of the arguments used to defend Bill Clinton's Executive Order 13166 issued August 11, 2000. Entitled Improving Access to Services for Persons with Limited English Proficiency, it requires federal agencies to provide programs and activities normally provided in English to non-English speaking residents. Clinton's Executive Order was an attempt to elevate the inability to speak English to a protected civil right (like race, color, sex, etc.). His Order cannot be justified by any federal law and should be rescinded by the Bush Administration. The attempt to undermine English as the official language of the American government has powerful political motivations. Influence and political spin are associated with translating laws, official statements, and campaign positions into non-English versions. Criticism of the Utah referendum and the court decision upholding it is part of a national movement to balkanize America by compelling federal and state governments to carry on official business in foreign languages. Hundreds of U.S. voting districts have already been forced by statutes and court decisions to print ballots in foreign languages. The fraud called bilingual education was massively rejected by the voters in California and Arizona referenda, but the federal government still pours millions of our tax dollars into this failed experiment. It's a lie to call it bilingual, because it doesn't teach two languages; thousands of immigrant children in public schools are kept speaking their native tongue rather than learning English. The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission is harassing businesses that try to have their employees speak English on the job. Some U.S. citizenship ceremonies have even been performed in foreign languages. If an activist court pretends to invalidate the Utah official English law, it won't be long before we see the other side of the coin: a lawsuit demanding that the state's business be conducted in foreign languages. This has already happened in Alabama, where a woman demanded that she be given the state driver's test in Spanish; her case, Alexander v. Sandoval, will be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court this spring. The U.S. Supreme Court already held in Employment Div. v. Smith (1990) that we do not have to provide exceptions from generally applicable laws for religious practices and customs. It should certainly follow that a state need not provide exceptions from generally applicable laws and regulations to accommodate languages other than English. English is becoming the language of the 21st century world and this is no time to discourage U.S. residents and immigrants from learning English. English is now the second most widely spoken language in the world, with only Chinese dialects spoken by more people. English is overwhelmingly the second language of choice worldwide. English is the official language of the European Central Bank and the working language of the Asian trade group ASEAN. In multilingual continental Europe, a fierce battle over language popularity appears to be ending with English emerging as the standard. Switzerland has three official languages, German, French and Italian, but it recently adopted English to be taught to all as the second language rather than one of its official languages. The Germans have given up trying to persuade more Brits to learn German and are now promoting English as the language of the 21st century, with lessons for children as young as six. Germany's leading newspaper produces an eight-page English edition and declared that English is going to be the lingua franca of the century. English has exploded in popularity since the advent of the internet and about 80 percent of the internet uses English. Our language has tremendous advantages for internet use: a smaller alphabet than most major languages, no accented or pictograph characters, easy interchangeabiity of nouns, verbs and adjectives, and little variance in form for pronouns and verbs. It is a great
[CTRL] Fw What's Happening At The South Pole????
Bill, This is a really fascinating article! But does anybody know to WHERE these people have been evacuated? There is a huge Raytheon facility near me and I hope they were not brought back there because this sounds like maybe they were exposed to some new organism! Really a scary thought. Any other articles on this lake? Amelia - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: [CTRL] What's Happening At The South Pole http://www.enterprisemission.com/antarctica.htm
Re: [CTRL] Legislator castigated for telling teens homosexuality is an 'abomination'
Trovillion, who turns 75 next week, met with four of the students. He told the young men that existing laws already protect them, and that their lifestyle prevents them from entering heaven. Well, as I've stated before, I'd much rather go to hell if heaven is populated with the likes of Trovillion... After all, the Bible is very explicit about prideful people who presume to foretell the judgment of God, Amen. June _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Icke On FTAA
Although we need people like Icke to warn us of possibilities, some of us actually require something to happen before we startrunning around clucking like chickens. The fact that something bad MIGHT happenhas been predictedfor centuries. When does the fuse reach the bomb? [It will, in fact, as Boy George well knows, destroy opportunities throughout America and the hemisphere as the transnationals move to the poorest countries and mercilessly exploit the population, who become nothing more than slaves to the corportations on starvation wages. From whose perspective? Icke's, of course, not the actual people involved.Wonder what they have to say about it? [So the USA won't be allowed in then?? What nonsense..."democracies" are some of the world's most grotesque and effective dictatorships.] Yes. What isIcke's proposal for an alternative? Nothing, ofcourse.[There was no way these fears would not be confirmed. It is an essential part of the Illuminati structure for global control.] Okay, theIlluminati want to hidetheir plans from us. But then they want us to know enough to be afraid.Sounds like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand[No one says trade is bad? Well I say that some trade is very bad, actually, when the dice are so loaded for rich against poor.] When Icke stops collecting money for his books,videos and lectures, this argument may be more compelling. For nowhe is a part of the problem, just like theBush family.[Why do I cringe whenever I hear the name Sierra Club?] Couldn't be ignorance, could it?[In other words, it will mean giving up national and local decision making to a centralised dictatorship, just as we have in Europe.]Once again Icke demonstrates his ignorance of what made the U.S.A. the greatest nation in the history of the world.Dictating increasing affluence and improvedhealth care for third-worldpeople is evil to him, I guess.
[CTRL] Body of Secrets by James Bamford
-Caveat Lector- Body of Secrets by James Bamford http://www.salon.com/books/review/2001/04/25/nsa/index.html The author of a pioneering work on the NSA delivers a new book of revelations about the mysterious agency's coverups, eavesdropping and secret missions. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Bruce Schneier April 25, 2001 | In 1982, James Bamford published The Puzzle Palace, his first exposé on the National Security Agency. His new exposé on the NSA is called Body of Secrets. Twenty years makes a lot of difference in the intelligence biz. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Replies to Glick's 'On Winning Hearts and Minds'
-Caveat Lector- Replies to Glick's 'On Winning Hearts and Minds' = From: Chuck0 barf Glick has some interesting things to say, but I think he fails to see the big picture. I think Shawn Ewald's account is much more perceptive and insightful. It seems that Glick wants to pin some blame on the Black Bloc, for an ulterior reason that isn't clear to me. What is instructive is the reaction of the local residents to the police brutality and the DIY Wall of Shame. They fought back, like most working people choose to do in similar experiences. Others engaged in nonviolent mutual aid, sharing water hoses or their houses as temporary refuges from the gas. There was a *diversity* of responses, none of which had to be created via training workshops or protest camps. It was an organic resistance, which the world leaders hadn't counted on. What fools they were to locate a summit on free trade in a working class community. All of their scare tactics about the black bloc didn't work, although they seem to work on the pacifists and professional Leftists. What Dave Dellinger does is very admirable. If Glick and the others who adhere to a strict nonviolence code want to set an example, they should take some risks and sit their bodies down in front of the capitalist machine. I'd love to wake up one morning and hear that 15,000 nonviolent pacifists had blocked the entrances to the Pentagon or some military base. Until that happens, I'm going to dismiss [Glick's] criticisms ... as cheap words. Make it happen. Chuck0 = Dear Ted, My name is Victoria Collier, I'm the editor of http://www.votescam.comhttp://www.votescam.http://www.votescam.comcom I read with much appreciation your article about the need to examine non-violence and its role in the rising People's movement -- anti-corporate fascism, anti-globalism, pro-freedom, pro-democracy. There is no name for this movement, but it is growing quickly and spreading like a wild fire. The words that we use to fan the flames will very much affect the direction in which this fire burns, and what it burns! I agree with your views completely and hope that your words of peace and responsibility make the necessary rounds and are absorbed by activists who are currently refilling their molotov cocktails. Being effective is everything. Perhaps the People's movement initially drew international attention because of the violence in Seattle where the police were seen by many as the bad guys. But I think the cause has already suffered considerably due to the continuing and now uninteresting media coverage of the ubiquitous black-clad stone throwers. To the majority of people who only watch the major Networks for their news, the protests are now as predictably violent and uncannily similar in appearance to the endless skirmishes on the Gaza strip. The danger of this is obvious. The only hope to change the flow of this tendency toward violence lies with people like yourself and your ability to articulate respectfully the need for awareness of greater consequences, and a grasp of the big picture. I'd like to respond to a specific and extremely important, largely overlooked aspect of this movement that you mentioned in your article. You wrote: Personally, I don't see non-violence, non-violence alone, as a potentially winning strategy. There is much more that we have to be about, including the formation of an alternative to the Democrats and Republicans, one which runs independent candidates and is grounded in and accountable to grassroots, broadly-based social movements. Please take a moment to check out the website I listed above. There is information that you, as an effective spokesperson for many, should know as you continue on with the battle, and I am assuming at this point that you are unaware of it, as so many are. I believe, due to many years as a political activist and organizer involved with our elections system, that at the moment what you have stated above is an IMPOSSIBILITY. Running independent candidates grounded in accountable grass roots, broadly based social movements is an exercise in futility. Why? Because over the past thirty years, our elections system, from beginning to end, has been slowly taken over by private corporate interests, and they now control every aspect of the process, including the actual machinery used to count the votes. There is a wide body of information about this, and a rising movement opposing the corporate take-over of the elections, specifically the computerized vote count, but it is rising parallel to the anti-globalization movement. They have not yet branched out to reach each other. That will have to happen, inevitably, if we are really going to create the changes we need. At the moment I am one of the main spokespeople for this movement because my father and uncle wrote the most important book on this topic, Votescam:
[CTRL] REU: Crew Unable to Destroy All Secrets on China Plane
-Caveat Lector- Crew Unable to Destroy All Secrets on China Plane WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The crew of the U.S. EP-3 surveillance plane that made an emergency landing in China had not been able to destroy as much of the secret materials on board as originally believed, and some of it could be exploited by Beijing, U.S. government sources said on Wednesday. It's pretty bad. They weren't able to get a lot of it, said a source knowledgeable about a secret damage assessment being conducted by the Pentagon on how much classified material was destroyed. It's very serious, the government source told Reuters on condition of anonymity. The crew of the EP-3 reconnaissance plane made an emergency landing on China's Hainan Island on April 1 after a mid-air collision with a Chinese fighter jet. The incident strained diplomatic ties between the two countries as China held the 24-member American crew for 11 days before releasing them, and the United States refused China's request for an apology. The Chinese fighter jet crashed and its pilot was presumed dead. But the badly damaged U.S. Navy reconnaissance plane, which is full of sophisticated electronics, is still in Chinese custody. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, shortly after the crew was released, said they went through the check list for such situations and did everything possible in the time they had. But the source who spoke on condition of anonymity said the crew did not have the ability to destroy everything in an expeditious manner so as to not subject it to compromise. In some cases the crew was not able to physically destroy the material, and in others what they tried to destroy was not destroyed to the extent that rendered it useless, the source said. What they attempted to destroy or get rid of was not destroyed to the extent that it was not exploitable, the government source said. A senior U.S. Navy official, on condition of anonymity, said the situation was not necessarily worse than Pentagon officials believed at the very beginning. We knew that there would be computer disks and drives, even though smashed, that could be compromised by a determined investigator, the official told Reuters. The Defense Department will know more when China returns the $80 million plane, the official said. The United States has said it wants the plane returned and is in talks with China to resolve the situation. They got through the check list. but we never intended to imply that there was no loss, the Navy official said. Although the crew got through the check list they could not burn things or throw things out of the plane in that tumultuous time while the pilot was wrestling to get the aircraft to the ground, the official said. We knew from the outset that this was not going to be complete. We knew there were going to be compromises and that there was going to be a significant windfall for the Chinese, the U.S. Navy official said. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Don't buy gas from Mobil or Exxon
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01-04-26 01:16:57 EDT, you write: Here's the idea - For the rest of this year, don't purchase gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling, they should be inclined to reduce their prices-and if they reduce their prices the other companies will too. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of users. But it's doable! One problem here. How do we know which cheap gas establishments actually sell Mobil or Exxon gas? For instance who supplies 7-11 with their gas? Not to mention other corner gas stations and Mom Pop stores. The weather is warmer now and I'm riding my bike more often to the corner grocers and to work as well, but it's just too cold in the winter here in Colorado. I have to agree that it is a good idea, especially since I read an article just a few days ago that stated Exxon/Mobile were experiencing record profits. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Gun Control - What Went Wrong? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Food for thought - especially the part about how the gun haters have never depended on mass participation. From: M. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Friends, Here is a copy of my latest column FYI. It will be up tomorrow on Newsmax.com and Keepandbeararms.com if you care to link to it. As usual, feel free to use it in any publications. Take Care, Mike Dr. Michael S. Brown Vancouver, WA ** Gun Control - What Went Wrong? During the 1990's, the gun control movement seemed unstoppable. Numerous gun laws were passed at all levels of government. With the aid of powerful media allies, gun ownership was tagged as an antisocial act and supporters of gun rights were successfully portrayed as tools of an evil gun lobby. The issue was considered so powerful that a major party included a call for much stricter gun control as an important part of its platform. Since the election of 2000, analysts have been pondering the anti- gun lobby's sudden reversal of fortune. Politicians have deserted the cause like rats leaving a sinking ship. The Million Mom March laid off most of its paid staff and was thrown out of its free office space for alleged improprieties. Their hated opponent, the National Rifle Association, has seen membership surge to an all-time high of 4.3 million. Anti-gun operatives are questioning their strategy and trying to maintain morale among the troops. Cracks are widening between the various organizations who blame each other for tactical errors. What went wrong? Simply put, gun control was over-hyped. Politicians and other opportunists were seduced by an emotional issue that appeared to have no downside. Jumping on a bandwagon that claimed to protect moms and kids seemed a quick and easy route to better approval ratings. With so much excitement in the air, it was easy to ignore the logical flaws in the emotion-based arguments. Underlying the entire movement were two unquestioned assumptions. First, that more gun laws were a surefire way to reduce crime and other forms of firearms abuse. The second was the belief that guns were used far more often for evil than for good. Since these were accepted as fact, the faithful were not concerned by the lack of solid proof. Some followers of the faith realized that they were on shaky ground. Fake studies were funded to show an overwhelming negative effect from civilian gun ownership. Clever, but misleading sound bites were constantly created to reinforce the impression of a terrible and growing epidemic of gun violence. By the time one statement was discredited, another was ready to take its place. Statistics were twisted to make it appear that most victims of gun violence were innocent middle class children, rather than young adult males involved with gangs and drugs. Suicides, accidents, homicides and justifiable shootings by police officers were lumped together to make the numbers more impressive. As many observers have noted, when the facts did not support their beliefs, they simply lied. While the media trumpeted gun control victories and parroted the party line, opponents and neutral scholars were researching the facts. Since so many countries, states and cities have enacted strict gun control laws, it is now relatively easy to find out how effectively they have reduced crime and suicide. The utter failure of new gun laws to create any positive effect whatsoever was devastating to the anti-gun arguments. Even more damning is the data showing that crime often worsens when gun control laws are tightened. Washington, D. C., California, England, and Australia, are just a few of the areas where crime increased embarrassingly after new laws were passed. They also proved the truth of the old saying that registration leads to confiscation. When American gun owners saw video footage showing piles of confiscated guns being destroyed in Australia, they were unlikely to believe claims by the gun control lobby that their goals were strictly limited. Scholarly studies by Professor John Lott showed another interesting effect. In states that enacted laws enabling law abiding citizens to obtain concealed weapon permits, crime dropped. This strikes at the very heart of the gun control movement which claims that the prolif- eration of guns is responsible for crime. Unable to rally enough academic horsepower to refute Lott's results, gun control groups resorted to ugly personal attacks. While gun control arguments were being dismantled by academics, grassroots action by gun owners exploded. Fearing extinction beneath the steamroller of anti-gun hysteria, they bombarded elected officials with messages, formed many new gun rights organizations and began participating in street demonstrations for the first time. The appearance of these normal, sensible people counteracted the attempt to portray gun owners as anti-social rednecks. Changes in media coverage also contributed to the climate
Re: [CTRL] Icke On FTAA
-Caveat Lector- More incisive commentary from Icke!!! And all the the answers to the questions we dare not ask. Where would we be without him! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Icke On FTAA
-Caveat Lector- Europe has already gone further than the Americas into a deep union that continues to grow, and members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations are toying with the idea of forming an Asian Union that would bring in China, Japan and South Korea. [This is the Pacific Union I have been predicting in my books and talks for many years. And they are not toying with the idea, they are toying with the minds of the masses. It is the Illuminati agenda and the leaders of these countries know it.] It takes no great leap of imagination to predict a Pacific Union, but it is rather disingenious for Icke to claim to have predicted in his talks and books for years when the idea pretty much took shape in the late 1980s when APEC was first proposed. BD A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Democracy Trampled in QuebecCity
This is pretty hot stuff. by Sinclair Stevens, Canada's minister of regional industrial expansion under Brian Mulroney, was an MP from 1972 to 1988. Dave Hartley -Senior VP [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.earthcomp.com Serving the e-Generation (tm) Tri-Cities Computer |Asheville Computer |PC Solutions 210 W. Oakland Ave. |86 N. Lexington Ave.|1141 Greenville Hwy Johnson City, TN 37604 |Asheville, NC 28801 |Hendersonville, NC toll-free (877)245-3362 |toll-free(877) 245-2626 | local (423) 952-0983|local (828) 285-0240|(828) 698-8448 Published on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 in the Toronto Globe Mail Democracy Trampled in Quebec City by Sinclair Stevens I never thought I'd be writing this article, surely not in Canada. There aren't many people in this country who view free trade as positively as I do. As industry minister in the Mulroney government, I participated in the 1985 Shamrock Summit that set the stage for our trade agreement with the United States. I was even responsible for replacing the Foreign Investment Review Agency with Investment Canada, a welcome mat for our partners to the South. There also aren't many people who view the maintenance of law and order as a higher priority than I do. But this past weekend, I was shocked by events in Quebec City. Shocked by what I saw, and stunned by what my wife, Noreen, and I personally experienced. I believe Canada is right to view free trade as a model for democratic development in every corner of our hemisphere, and I was delighted to see us host the Summit of the Americas. But our government is dead wrong to behave in a manner that suggests we have forgotten what democracy is all about. Noreen and I arrived in Quebec City last Friday at about 5 p.m. We had heard about the so-called security fence and wanted to see it firsthand, to walk along beside it. My first view of the fence was in front of the Château Frontenac. It brought back memories of many happy visits to that hotel. But, this weekend, I could not enter: The hotel was inside the fence, I was outside. As we walked around the perimeter, a 40-year-old chap passed us, and asked: Where is your gas mask? I asked what he meant. He said: There is gas farther on -- watch out. We continued until we saw our first contingent of riot-geared police lined up three deep behind a closed gate. They were an intimidating sight -- in battle dress, with helmets, masks, shields and assorted elaborate weapons. I was glad, this time, that they were inside the fence and we were outside. Farther on, just before we got to Dufferin Street, there were perhaps 50 people -- protesters, it turned out -- who were standing or sitting on a small side road. At the end of the road, we saw a much larger group of riot police standing shoulder-to-shoulder, several rows deep. The road was well away from the security fence. In fact, the fence was nowhere in sight. I spoke with many of the people in the street, asked them why they had gathered, why they opposed the free trade proposals. It was a lively but friendly exchange. We were interrupted as the police down the road began an eerie drumming, rattling their riot sticks against their shields. Slowly, in unison, one six-inch step at a time, they began marching toward us. Noreen and I moved to the side of the street, as the protesters remained stationary. Some formed V signs with their fingers. To my horror, the police then fired tear gas canisters directly at those sitting or standing on the road. As clouds of gas began to spread, Noreen and I felt our eyes sting and our throats bake. We pulled whatever clothing we could across our mouths. One young woman, who had been among the protesters, offered us some vinegar. What's that for? I asked. It takes away the sting, she said. And it did help. The police, however, kept advancing. One large policeman with the number 5905 on his helmet, pressed right against me and ordered me to get behind a railing. I haven't done anything, I protested. Why? He simply replied: Get behind the rail. Then he added, and get down. I did so. I shook my head. I never thought I would ever see this kind of police-state tactic in Canada. What we witnessed that night was mild compared to events the next afternoon. This time, walked along the fence until we reached the gate at René Lévesque Boulevard, where a great crowd had gathered that included TV cameras and reporters. I was asked for an interview by a CBC crew but, before we could begin, dozens of tear gas canisters were fired, water cannons were sprayed and rubber bullets began to hit people nearby. Three times, I felt could not breathe, my eyes were sore and all I could do was run. In the bedlam, my wife and I were separated for almost three hours. She said she had almost passed out from the gassing. We lost something else, besides each other, last weekend in Quebec: our innocence. This
[CTRL] Kerry's Raiders
-Caveat Lector- Clinton dodged the draft while others died; then so eager to send troops in to murder children at Waco? What will we do next, take away Audi Murphy's Congressional Medal because he killed in a war? Knights kill..but they also have family at home whom they are told they are really defending. Welcome to Vietnam in the 60 period; Viet King lined streets wit heads on stakes - to ward off evil demons like Kerry's Raiders; they put $50,000 price on heads of pilots but boy when they discovered that had McKain - the only reason a lot of them were not killed is because McCain stayed.. Asians are notorious for mutilating the enemy and I will never forget as a small child seeing a US Navy Nurse, in full dress attire with the Cape - only her arms had been cut off, her tongue cut out, and she was pregnant by Japanese soldiers - was left to die. In Vietnam children were sent to US soldiers smiling and then when they put their little hands out they held grenades. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and killed how many people? Their atrocities are too numerous to mention. Then remember Ruby Ridge how a Japanese Sharpshooter who professed to be catholic, shot a dog to draw out a little kid an 8th grader and when the kid went to his dog he shot the kid, and then his mother? I still detest Japanese from what I saw - innocent or not - are we to beg forgiveness for this war? The H Bomb - Harry gave them hell and stopped the war.one big bomb did it. Nice story about Kerry - it would seem now Gore and his tribe are working overtime to pave the way to glory for him and/or Lieberman to the Oval Office. Got news for them - it won't work. Never liked Kerry much, looks like he was a better soldierKerry went to war and did his job - Clinton went to war on the USA and did a job on US Citizens - oh how he hated war - then he went to the Balkans and loosed bombsbig man hiding behind skirts of a woman if you all Janet Reno and Albright women. So Bob Dole - maybe they will end up taking away his Congressional Medal of Honor.seems to me Bob Dole represents a lot of guys who went to war and did not return wearing that medal ...better make sure he earned it? We are here in USA day because we fought a war - business end of gun is always more convincing . we send out police now to the streets like D Platoons trained by a Guestapo - guns now turned against Americansas Clinton said let them get the first shot..well somebody got the first shot at Waco, and McVeigh got the second shot, at Oklahoma. Nice playing war games only thing - this is for real. Saba back to NewsCenter Thursday April 26 , 2001 Share This Article With A Friend Featured Views Published on Friday, April 20, 2001 by FAIR's Media Beat Bias and Fear Tilting Coverage of Israel by Norman Solomon When the New York Times finally printed the name of a 12-year-old organization called Rabbis for Human Rights, the mention had to be bought -- in a full-page ad expressing support for actions by the group, which is the only Israeli rabbinic association that includes Orthodox, Reform, Reconstructionist and Conservative rabbis. Days before the advertisement appeared on April 8, the executive director of Rabbis for Human Rights had been arrested while participating in nonviolent civil disobedience against Israeli demolition of houses. Palestinian homes are being systematically bulldozed all over the West Bank, said a bulletin from Rabbi Arthur Waskow, director of the Shalom Center in Philadelphia. In this case, there isn't any pretense of 'security interests' or 'military targets.' The houses destroyed yesterday and today belong to ordinary Palestinian citizens whose only crime is the wish to have a roof over their heads. Groups like Rabbis for Human Rights, and Jewish American activists like Rabbi Waskow who vocally oppose Israeli policies, get short shrift in U.S. news outlets. Meanwhile, the reporting on the Israeli-Palestinian cycle of violence is badly skewed by an endless cycle of media bias. Searching the Nexis database of U.S. media coverage during the first 100 days of this year, I found several dozen stories using the phrases Israeli retaliation or Israel retaliated. During the same period, how many stories used the phrases Palestinian retaliation or Palestinians retaliated? One. Both sides of the conflict, of course, describe their violence as retaliatory. But only one side routinely benefits from having its violent moves depicted that way by major American media. The huge disparity in the media frame is a measure of the overall slant of news coverage. To help maintain pressure for a favorable media tilt, supporters of Israel have a not-so-secret weapon, brandished most effectively as a preemptive threat -- the charge of anti-Semitism. Any Americans who speak out against Israel's extreme disregard for human rights are liable to be in the line of fire. Elie Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor and Nobel Prize
[CTRL] FW: FBI raids IMC
-Caveat Lector- http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,43339,00.html Journalists Protest Gag Order By Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 5:00 p.m. April 25, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- The Electronic Frontier Foundation will represent a Seattle journalist collective that is the target of a police probe and court-imposed gag order. On Saturday evening, FBI agents visited the downtown offices of the Independent Media Center and handed the group a court order -- apparently related to the Quebec City trade summit -- that also instructed the media organization not to publish the contents of the order. That unusual event grabbed the attention of the civil liberties organization, which is stepping into the fray and hopes to persuade a federal judge to lift the gag order. Other groups also may be part of the legal team. It is possible that the gag order may come off very soon, says Lee Tien, an EFF staff attorney. I would be on the lookout. [...] There are a few limited situations in which there are legal gag orders, says Doug Honig, public education director for the ACLU's Washington state chapter. He gave three examples: Testimony before a grand jury, a trial where the judge tells the attorneys not to give interviews, and an out-of-court settlement. In this situation we don't understand why there was a gag order in the first place, Honig said. It certainly shouldn't be the case that a government official would tell an organization that they can't talk about a situation Based on what we've heard so far, we don't know why there was a gag order. [...] - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if it remains intact. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW:amtrak pulls DEA computer)
-Caveat Lector- Wednesday, April 25, 2001 Amtrak Pulls DEA Computer By Jeff Jones Journal Staff Writer Amtrak has pulled the plug on a controversial computer that gave the Albuquerque office of the Drug Enforcement Administration direct access to the train's ticketing system. However, Amtrak police said this week they will continue to provide information they glean from the ticketing system to other police agencies across the United States to help catch train-riding drug couriers. Amtrak police also will continue to receive a portion of the assets that drug agents seize off trains around the nation. We cooperate with law enforcement agencies, including the DEA, and will continue to do so in the future, Amtrak Police Chief Ernest R. Frazier Sr. said in a letter to the Journal, dated Monday. I have reviewed the issue of computer access because of concerns raised and have ensured that my personnel will maintain direct control of computers on our property and access to Amtrak information, Frazier said in the letter. The computer ticketing information could provide drug agents with details such as passengers' last names, where they were traveling from, when they bought their tickets and whether they used cash or credit to pay for them. Agents used ticketing information to narrow down who they wanted to speak with and therefore whose luggage could eventually be sniffed by a drug-detecting dog when the trains rolled into Albuquerque. Critics have said that using the passenger information could lead to singling out people based on ethnicity or financial status. The DEA and Amtrak have said they do not engage in racial profiling. Barry Steinhardt, associate director of the national ACLU, said Tuesday that even if the DEA does not have direct access to Amtrak's computer files, there's a pretty strong argument that the information-sharing arrangement violates the U.S. Constitution's prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures. Amtrak police ... shouldn't be trawling through customer information without good cause, Steinhardt said. Peter Simonson, executive director of the ACLU of New Mexico, said it's a significant improvement that the computer in the DEA office is no longer online. But he said the ACLU still is pondering legal action. ... It's still disturbing that any police agency is using customer records to conduct investigations, Steinhardt said. Steinhardt said the arrangement may violate the Federal Privacy Act, which he said prohibits one federal agency from sharing personal information with another. Amtrak spokeswoman Lynn Bowersox said this week that the Federal Privacy Act does not apply to Amtrak, and we have not violated the law. If the ACLU pursues an action, we will respond in due course. The computer-system arrangement between Amtrak and the DEA came to light last month after a DEA agent outlined the practice while being questioned by a defense attorney. The questioning took place during a pretrial interview in a pending drug case stemming from an Amtrak stop. Agent Kevin Small said during the pretrial interview that the Albuquerque DEA office has had access to Amtrak's ticketing computer system for several years. Small said in the taped interview that agents looked for the consistent factors in drug-seizure cases. He said those factors were usually one-way cash tickets bought within three days of the departure date. We're the only law enforcement agency outside of Amtrak, this office, that has that computer, Small said in the interview. He added that tips are passed out all over the country. Small's supervisor, Steven Derr, has defended the practice, saying it does not involve racial profiling, adding the whole idea of why we do it this way is so we're not randomly stopping people. Amtrak Police Chief Frazier said that although Amtrak police do share in the proceeds of forfeited property, the proceeds must be used for law enforcement purposes only. ... The letter added that this is not a unique program, but one in which many state and local police departments throughout the country have participated for years. The Journal last week asked both Amtrak and the DEA about how much money Amtrak receives in drug forfeiture money each year. The DEA has not responded, and Bowersox said Tuesday she did not yet have the answer. Amtrak is not considered to be a federal agency, Bowersox said, but she said it is receiving $521 million in federal money this year. Bowersox said that the Federal Privacy Act doesn't apply to the train service. Steinhardt said the ACLU is still researching the issue. Amtrak ... is federally funded. It is, in most respects, indistinguishable from a federal agency, Steinhardt said. Bowersox said people who buy Amtrak tickets are not informed that the information they're providing could be used for
[CTRL] FC: EFF plans to help Seattle IMC fight gag order (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,43339,00.html Journalists Protest Gag Order By Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 5:00 p.m. April 25, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- The Electronic Frontier Foundation will represent a Seattle journalist collective that is the target of a police probe and court-imposed gag order. On Saturday evening, FBI agents visited the downtown offices of the Independent Media Center and handed the group a court order -- apparently related to the Quebec City trade summit -- that also instructed the media organization not to publish the contents of the order. That unusual event grabbed the attention of the civil liberties organization, which is stepping into the fray and hopes to persuade a federal judge to lift the gag order. Other groups also may be part of the legal team. It is possible that the gag order may come off very soon, says Lee Tien, an EFF staff attorney. I would be on the lookout. [...] There are a few limited situations in which there are legal gag orders, says Doug Honig, public education director for the ACLU's Washington state chapter. He gave three examples: Testimony before a grand jury, a trial where the judge tells the attorneys not to give interviews, and an out-of-court settlement. In this situation we don't understand why there was a gag order in the first place, Honig said. It certainly shouldn't be the case that a government official would tell an organization that they can't talk about a situation Based on what we've heard so far, we don't know why there was a gag order. [...] - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if it remains intact. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Response to the Christian June
-Caveat Lector- So I see you are now a Preacher? So am I and I can marry peope. So the Rev stands for Reverend - like Jesse Jackson, the Reverend (???) Jackson. Now I think I have figured out that Coal for what is stands... She (June) was only a Coal Miners daughter, for you could tell by the slack in her pants? Now if June has mislaid her dictionary I reproduce the meaning of the word slack for her edification: Date: 15th century : the finest screenings of coal produced at a mine unusable as fuel unless cleaned So June am I right - hence the term hot pants? Are you only a coal miners daughter and get the slack out June it is a dead giveaway. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/26/01 8:41:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I see you are now a Preacher? So am I and I can marry peope. Just what the world needs, more preachers without churches. Bill H A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pentagon Planned to Kill Americans Blame Cubans - Baltimore Sun
-Caveat Lector- http://www.baltimoresun.com/templates/misc/printstory.jsp?slug=bal%2Dte% 2Emd %2Ensa24apr24 Baltimore Sun U.S. terror plan was Cuba invasion pretext By Scott Shane and Tom Bowman Sun Staff April 24, 2001 WASHINGTON - U.S. military leaders proposed in 1962 a secret plan to commit terrorist acts against Americans and blame Cuba to create a pretext for invasion and the ouster of Communist leader Fidel Castro, according to a new book about the National Security Agency. We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington, said one document reportedly prepared by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba, the document says. Casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of indignation. The plan is laid out in documents signed by the five Joint Chiefs but never carried out, according to writer James Bamford in Body of Secrets. The new history of the Fort Meade-based eavesdropping agency is being released today by Doubleday. NSA regularly picks up the conversations of suspected terrorist financier Osama bin Laden, says Bamford, and has monitored Chinese and French companies trying to sell missiles to Iran. He provides new details about an Israeli attack on a Navy eavesdropping ship in 1967, suggesting that the sinking was deliberate. And he reveals the loss of an entire warehouse full of secret cryptographic gear to the North Vietnamese in 1975, at the end of the Vietnam War. Bamford, a former investigative reporter for ABC News who wrote The Puzzle Palace about the NSA in 1982, said his new book is based mostly on documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act or found in government archives. NSA never handed me any documents, he said. It was a question of digging. He said he was most surprised by the anti-Cuba terror plan, code-named Operation Northwoods. It may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government, he writes. The Northwoods plan also proposed that if the 1962 launch of John Glenn into orbit were to fail, resulting in the astronaut's death, the U.S. government would publicize fabricated evidence that Cuba had used electronic interference to sabotage the flight, the book says. A previously secret document obtained by Bamford offers further suggestions for mayhem to be blamed on Cuba. We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated). ... We could foster attempts on lives of Cubans in the United States, even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized, the document says. Another idea was to shoot down a CIA plane designed to replicate a passenger flight and announce that Cuban forces shot it down. Citing a White House document, Bamford writes that the idea of creating a pretext for the invasion of Cuba might have started with President Dwight D. Eisenhower in the last weeks of his administration, when the plan for an invasion by Cuban exiles trained in the United States was hatched. Carried out in April 1961, soon after Kennedy became president, the Bay of Pigs invasion proved a fiasco. Castro's forces quickly killed or rounded up the invaders. Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, presented the Operation Northwoods plan to Kennedy early in 1962, but the president rejected it that March because he wanted no overt U.S. military action against Cuba. Lemnitzer then sought unsuccessfully to destroy all evidence of the plan, according to Bamford. Lemnitzer and those who served with him in 1962 as chiefs of the nation's military branches are dead. But two former top Kennedy administration officials said yesterday that they were unaware of Operation Northwoods and questioned whether such a plan was ever drafted. I've never heard of Operation Northwoods. Never heard of it and don't believe it, said Theodore Sorenson, Kennedy's White House special counsel. Obviously, it would be totally illegal as well as totally unwise. Robert S. McNamara, Kennedy's defense secretary, said: I never heard of it. I can't believe the chiefs were talking about or engaged in what I would call CIA-type operations. Bamford writes that besides the Joint Chiefs, then-Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul H. Nitze also favored provoking a phony war with Cuba. There may be a piece of paper on Northwoods, said McNamara. I just cannot conceive of [Nitze] approving anything like that or doing it without talking to me. The book contains many other revelations in its detailed account of NSA, the biggest U.S. intelligence agency and Maryland's largest employer, with more than 25,000 personnel at Fort Meade, site of its global eavesdropping efforts. Among them: In recent years, NSA has regularly listened to bin Laden's unencrypted telephone calls. Agency officials have sometimes played tapes of bin Laden talking to his mother to impress members of Congress and select visitors to the agency.
Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass
-Caveat Lector- well, this is the strange thing- it wasn't the jews who killed him- by your own reckoning it was the romans- so it is obvious that it is antisemitic to say that it was the jews who killed christ, slanderously so in fact! c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps it is Anti American to claim that Americans killed Lincoln. flw Although not a bible scholar, I recall that Roman Counsel Pilate (trying to duck responsibility for making a decision) asked the crowd (of Israelis) before him what to do and they allegedly cried out crucify him. Pilate then symbolically washed his hands of the matter. I assume stating the above makes me anti Semitic and anti Italian. Since the carpenter who put together the crucifixion cross was a Greek Slave... guess that makes me anti Greek also. BTW, how the hell does one slander a bunch of people who have been dead over 2000 years? flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Speaking of all this talk about human cloning......... :-D
-Caveat Lector- If you have sex with your own clone, are you gay, or are you masturbating? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass -Caveat Lector- well, this is the strange thing- it wasn't the jews who killed him- by your own reckoning it was the romans- so it is obvious that it is antisemitic to say that it was the jews who killed christ, slanderously so in fact! c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps it is Anti American to claim that Americans killed Lincoln. flw Although not a bible scholar, I recall that Roman Counsel Pilate (trying to duck responsibility for making a decision) asked the crowd (of Israelis) before him what to do and they allegedly cried out crucify him. Pilate then symbolically washed his hands of the matter. no-one could do anything without the romans ok. i actually thought that the freeing of a prisoner was a regular occurance - on holidays? maybe pilate did wash his hands of it- maybe the jewish authorities did plan it all- maybe christ even existed- whatever. but the examples you give about race are innapropriate- on one side you refer to a religion (jews) and in the comparitive ones you mention states (greece, itlay, america, etc) important to mention that the crowd (the beauty of democracy) was not a jewish mob. it was a city centre mob and (am i wrong?) made up of a number of different races and people not only with an interest in the poitics of it all- just a mixture of people on a holi-day in a busy city centre. the life of brian is probably as good a representation as any of what it might have been like. I assume stating the above makes me anti Semitic and anti Italian. Since the carpenter who put together the crucifixion cross was a Greek Slave... guess that makes me anti Greek also. BTW, how the hell does one slander a bunch of people who have been dead over 2000 years? the same way people make obviously humorous statements at the end of mails to give some small kind of lighthearted context to what was written before. but c'mon- your argument is air thin. because of the reasons you give yourself- we cannot be continue to go on about who killed christ- it doesn't matter... just like we in scotland are meant to not hate the english anymore after what they did a mere 200 years ago- let alone 2000. if we can do it- then the far right can stop whining about the bloody jews killing christ. it is just bad show to be bringing it up and going on about it. it may or it may not be a technically accurate statement, but it certainly does cause offence in a way that your examples do not. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
Re: [CTRL] Speaking of all this talk about human cloning......... :-D
-Caveat Lector- Neither, you're a doppelganger banger :) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass
-Caveat Lector- c. It is news to me that this is a claim by 'the far right' and seems to void your own argument. Are you saying that very conservative people are also all Christian? On what do you base this rather startling revelation? It has certainly not been my experience and I know just as many religious fanatics who are liberals, maybe more. If being Jewish is religion and not politics, explain why being conservative is being Christian and not political, please. This is not the ole' liberal propaganda, is it. c? Amelia From: c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass just like we in scotland are meant to not hate the english anymore after what they did a mere 200 years ago- let alone 2000. if we can do it- then the far right can stop whining about the bloody jews killing christ. it is just bad show to be bringing it up and going on about it. it may or it may not be a technically accurate statement, but it certainly does cause offence in a way that your examples do not. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June
From: Aleisha Saba So I see you are now a Preacher? So am I and I can marry peope. Supposedly I can legally perform marriage ceremonies for people (although I've never tried), and I never said I was a preacher. I've never had the desire to marry a 'peope', whatever that is. Now I think I have figured out that "Coal" for what is stands...She (June) was only a Coal Miners daughter, Nope. "COAL" has nothing to do with fossil fuel... Now if June has mislaid her dictionary I reproduce the meaning of theword "slack" for her edification:Date: 15th century: the finest screenings of coal produced at a mine unusable as fuelunless cleaned I thought that is known as 'slag'... So June am I right - hence the term "hot pants? Well, at one time I was told I looked pretty hot in hot pants (back when they were in style)...but the "COAL" portion of my internet ID has nothing to do with a fossil fuel... But don't bother getting your panties in a twist trying to figure out what it means, because it's beyond your comprehension... June (aka Rev. COAL, aka ynrchyldzwyld) _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass
-Caveat Lector- fair enough amelia i was thinking more of hitler as an example of a far right christian condemning the jews for killing christ. jewish religion/politics bit was expressed wrongly maybe- i meant that flw's examples were about nationalities- not religions e.g americans killing lincoln, not christians killing lincoln. would someone living in jerusalem be a jew even if they were not jewish or is there another word for the state at that time. was it palestine? and if it was a mixed crowd that called for barrabas and not christ then it was the palestinians who killed christ. i was meaning to poke fun at flw and the idea of jews killed christ because i thought that it was generally accepted that the parable of christ could have happened anywhere- in any religion (and has) and it was man who killed christ, not one group of people, so it *is* offensive to pick out the fact that it was the jewish race in which he appeared- there is implicit condemnation in the mentioning of it. i thought we were meant to learn that it could have been any plebicite, anywhere and at anytime that would have crucified him- it is a central theme of the religion, isn't it? communion and that. actually- to clarify- i am anti- zionist and anti- monotheistic extremists/ fanatics/ fundamentalists everywhere! they all condemn everything- just the same as extreme political correctness does. jesus christ, do i really have to be a liberal or a right winger? they are all the same aren't they? people are so fucked out on taking sides and believing in stuff and then pointing out everyone that doesn't. or not letting it lie about a crime 2000 years ago. to engender fear. utterly feudal. - Original Message - From: Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 7:15 PM Subject: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass -Caveat Lector- c. It is news to me that this is a claim by 'the far right' and seems to void your own argument. Are you saying that very conservative people are also all Christian? On what do you base this rather startling revelation? It has certainly not been my experience and I know just as many religious fanatics who are liberals, maybe more. If being Jewish is religion and not politics, explain why being conservative is being Christian and not political, please. This is not the ole' liberal propaganda, is it. c? Amelia From: c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass just like we in scotland are meant to not hate the english anymore after what they did a mere 200 years ago- let alone 2000. if we can do it- then the far right can stop whining about the bloody jews killing christ. it is just bad show to be bringing it up and going on about it. it may or it may not be a technically accurate statement, but it certainly does cause offence in a way that your examples do not. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June
-Caveat Lector- Okay Bill H - I had a boss once who sent away and he purchased my licence and he bought onethis poor man, a millionaire could afford the two bucks but hated the IRShe wanted to pray in my garage and I could go pray in his - somehow it seemed a little what is the word - tacky? I did, however, attend a religious college and believe me, I was the Rose among the thorns for talk of the wild bunch. The prayed alot in the local bars. So if you know anybody who wants to get married let me know..all you have to say is you want to get married and when they say I Do, there is no going back for they is..unless I destroy the license. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/26/01 11:46:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i was meaning to poke fun at flw and the idea of jews killed christ because i thought that it was generally accepted that the parable of christ could have happened anywhere- in any religion (and has) and it was man who killed christ, not one group of people C, C, what are we going to do with you? Drop the Political Correctness non-sense. Truth is Truth. Jesus was put to death by the Pilate at the behest of the jewish leaders because they concidered him to be a trouble maker. And thats the truth! Bill H A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/26/01 12:04:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay Bill H - I had a boss once who sent away and he purchased my licence and he bought onethis poor man, a millionaire could afford the two bucks but hated the IRShe wanted to pray in my garage and I could go pray in his - somehow it seemed a little what is the word - tacky? OK, I can handle that. I did, however, attend a religious college and believe me, I was the Rose among the thorns for talk of the wild bunch. Waste of time. The prayed alot in the local bars. Non-waste of time. So if you know anybody who wants to get married let me know..all you have to say is you want to get married and when they say I Do, there is no going back for they is..unless I destroy the license. Got married once, back when TV was black and White, still married. Bill H A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass
-Caveat Lector- well, excuse me, bill nothing politically correct about jesus being one of a trinity making up a godhead and not actually being a human being who actually gone and did some mircles and other dead impressive dead raising and stuff. do you really not believe that the crucifixian and ressurection IS the point of the christian religion? just how far down the pyramid are you in your spiritual thinking, bill? a biblical literalist or something? - Original Message - From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/26/01 11:46:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i was meaning to poke fun at flw and the idea of jews killed christ because i thought that it was generally accepted that the parable of christ could have happened anywhere- in any religion (and has) and it was man who killed christ, not one group of people C, C, what are we going to do with you? Drop the Political Correctness non-sense. Truth is Truth. Jesus was put to death by the Pilate at the behest of the jewish leaders because they concidered him to be a trouble maker. And thats the truth! Bill H A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass
-Caveat Lector- OK, c., but just so you realize you just did the same thing to very conservatives yourself. Not all are Christian and I suspect many of the extreme profess NO religion whatsoever. sigh Religion and politics are always a nasty combination. While I would consider myself to have extremely conservative values I do not consider them of a religious nature. Just do not want more laws and more govt intrusion and taxes. It has little or nothing to do with religion. But I will agree that the example of the killing of Christ must include that element. I just do not necessarily relate it to political views today nor all politics throughout time. One can be a Zen and have extreme political views, etc. of either far left or far right views, etc. Just making sure you are paying attention. :-) Amelia - Original Message - From: c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass -Caveat Lector- fair enough amelia i was thinking more of hitler as an example of a far right christian condemning the jews for killing christ. jewish religion/politics bit was expressed wrongly maybe- i meant that flw's examples were about nationalities- not religions e.g americans killing lincoln, not christians killing lincoln. would someone living in jerusalem be a jew even if they were not jewish or is there another word for the state at that time. was it palestine? and if it was a mixed crowd that called for barrabas and not christ then it was the palestinians who killed christ. i was meaning to poke fun at flw and the idea of jews killed christ because i thought that it was generally accepted that the parable of christ could have happened anywhere- in any religion (and has) and it was man who killed christ, not one group of people, so it *is* offensive to pick out the fact that it was the jewish race in which he appeared- there is implicit condemnation in the mentioning of it. i thought we were meant to learn that it could have been any plebicite, anywhere and at anytime that would have crucified him- it is a central theme of the religion, isn't it? communion and that. actually- to clarify- i am anti- zionist and anti- monotheistic extremists/ fanatics/ fundamentalists everywhere! they all condemn everything- just the same as extreme political correctness does. jesus christ, do i really have to be a liberal or a right winger? they are all the same aren't they? people are so fucked out on taking sides and believing in stuff and then pointing out everyone that doesn't. or not letting it lie about a crime 2000 years ago. to engender fear. utterly feudal. - Original Message - From: Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 7:15 PM Subject: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass -Caveat Lector- c. It is news to me that this is a claim by 'the far right' and seems to void your own argument. Are you saying that very conservative people are also all Christian? On what do you base this rather startling revelation? It has certainly not been my experience and I know just as many religious fanatics who are liberals, maybe more. If being Jewish is religion and not politics, explain why being conservative is being Christian and not political, please. This is not the ole' liberal propaganda, is it. c? Amelia A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Response to the Christian June
Oh, let me guess! You call yourself Rev. because you are an Emissary from the Darkest (COAL = black, dark) Regions of Hell? But I am not being fair because I have had the opportunity to observe your personality as projected via email. BTW, I am NOT a moderator so I can get down on your level in the gutter. Had I become a moderator, I would have had to remain, well, moderate. But I declined in part because of your hysterical sniveling. The other part was so I would be able to present more personal points of view like this one. But you have to admit NuRev and RevCoal are a bit similar. I do not think you wrote the articles in question, however, as I have never known you to write much at all except to blast other posters and demand punishment for them. Sort of like that little tattletale in the second grade wanting others to receive a paddling at school. My only other guess concerning Rev. Coal would be some sort of elevated Minion of All things Evil. IMHO, Amelia - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June Well, at one time I was told I looked pretty hot in hot pants (back when they were in style)...but the "COAL" portion of my internet ID has nothing to do with a fossil fuel... But don't bother getting your panties in a twist trying to figure out what it means, because it's beyond your comprehension... June (aka Rev. COAL, aka ynrchyldzwyld) _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass Truth is Truth only if you have faith, bill, because there is *so* little substantiating evidence for the events documented in the bible that truth is truth is a non starter. but truth is truth is a non starter about anything- nothing is certain, except with faith and that is no use except as a crutch. the more i learn- the less i know A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June
-Caveat Lector- So June or Donna or what - you once knew a Colleen, but you never knew me. So in your more humble days you admitted to being an illiterate? But then in all fairness you had much about which to be humble? You are hereby commended for your honesty in admitting that you are indeed, illiterate.and stop ending sentences with prepositions if you are going to correct people's grammar and spelling. So long, Hot Pants with a lot of slack in the back. Saba Like Rumpelstiktskin, Donna Logan is her name? How simply sweet. Subject: Re: How do I obtain? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 04:20:06 -0400 (EDT) (21 lines) From: Donna J. Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who died and left you God? My software allows me to respond privately to posters on mailing lists don't take your frustrations out on us just because you have lousy ISP which doesn't allow you the option...or that YOUR level of net literacy is so low that you don't know how to do it. Since you seem so adamant about netiquette, then you should be aware that the only person with the right to lecture about reading FAQs, sticking to *rules*, etc., is the list owner, not you! Chill out, and don't let the door slam when you leave this list to all us *illiterates* Rev. Donna, COAL (12+ years as a computer professional, BTW) ;- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sweet Donna aka Revcoal
-Caveat Lector- Forsooth: June aka Revcoal Hotpants aka Donna Logan terrifies other list members and threatens to leave a list in shambles... Poor people - poor sweet June aka Donna would never call names and flame and all that stuff that is a no no? Saba Subject: Re: kombucha-digest V1 #61 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 20:58:27 -0400 (EDT) (20 lines) From: Donna J. Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope that everyone who's leaving the list let's David know just why they are leaving. In private email to him earlier this week, I told him that if all this bickering and flaming didn't stop, that I'd be unsubscribing from this list, and I suspected others would too. Let David know why you are leaving, and maybe he can do something to fix the problem, before this list ends up just being the same two or three people constantly jibing each other. Donna ;- On Sat, 29 Apr 1995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm outta here too A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/26/01 12:26:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well, excuse me, bill nothing politically correct about jesus being one of a trinity making up a godhead and not actually being a human being who actually gone and did some mircles and other dead impressive dead raising and stuff. do you really not believe that the crucifixian and ressurection IS the point of the christian religion? just how far down the pyramid are you in your spiritual thinking, bill? a biblical literalist or something? What does this have to do with Jesus being put to death for being a trouble maker in the jewish temple? You forget that there many jews in the middle east at this time who were claiming to be the messiah, and most of them got themselves killed for their trouble. AND they all claimed to be able to do miricles. I didn't know that spiritual thinking was a pyramid. Bill H A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sweet Donna aka Revcoal
-Caveat Lector- From: Donna J. Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope that everyone who's leaving the list let's David know just why they are leaving. Who is David? Our moderator's name is Kris. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:25 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass -Caveat Lector- OK, c., but just so you realize you just did the same thing to very conservatives yourself. yah... i know... i also condemned all extremists for condemning everyone... yikes... . Just making sure you are paying attention. :-) Amelia sitting up straight and facing the front of the class c. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sweet Donna aka Revcoal
-Caveat Lector- it is from another list. saba- you are such a twat for doing this to j2 and june you reveal so much about the pointlessness of your day if this is how you sepnd it. - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sweet Donna aka Revcoal -Caveat Lector- From: Donna J. Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope that everyone who's leaving the list let's David know just why they are leaving. Who is David? Our moderator's name is Kris. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/26/01 12:50:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: yah... i know... i also condemned all extremists for condemning everyone... yikes... Tish, Tish, very easy to do :) Bill H A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Book Review - Corruption in Las Vegas
-Caveat Lector- USA: Book Review - Corruption in Las Vegas *THE MONEY AND THE POWER The Making of Las Vegas and Its Hold on America, 1947-2000 By Sally Denton and Roger Morris Illustrated. 479 pages. Alfred A. Knopf. $26.95 * As they see it, Las Vegas is the nexus of international corruption at the highest levels of business and government: a shadow capital at the beginning of a new millennium embodying the culture and values and the near-complete rule of money in American life, a Rosetta stone for deciphering significant but still entombed or encoded chapters of our national past. Read through the rise of Las Vegas, the seemingly familiar story of organized crime and corruption in America takes on new implications, Mr. Morris and Ms. Denton write. The compromising of politics and government is earlier, wider, more decisive and more often the play of rival factions beyond the visible parties and personalities, the penetration of business and finance deeper and more permanent, the dominance of society more insidious and enduring. The authors suggest that the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy shared a Las Vegas connection and that Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton were beholden to Las Vegas power and influence as well. The new corporate face of Las Vegas, with its theme park casinos geared toward families, they imply, does not signify the demise of mob power there, but merely conceals another stage in the evolution of the city, increasingly a playground and laundering center for foreign organized crime. As for Watergate, Mr. Morris and Ms. Denton argue that it was less about what they call comparatively minor offenses such as obstruction of justice, dereliction of duty or failure to produce subpoenaed evidence than a Medusa´s head of entangled, intrinsic corruption tracing a lineage to the Strip: partisan warfare by covert gangs grown as decisive in American politics as any party or platform; payoffs far larger than any sums revealed by Watergate testimony; collusions with the syndicate much older and more constant than any unsavory associations surfacing in the investigation; corporate alliance with crime and government intelligence more pervasive and powerful than the shadows thrown by any hearing. Such high-decibel allegations tend to be made in The Money and the Power with little or no credible sourcing. Ms. Denton and Mr. Morris (who served on the senior staff of the National Security Council under Presidents Johnson and Nixon and who wrote the critically acclaimed 1989 biography Richard Milhous Nixon) appear to base many of their arguments on the Oliver Stonian theories of writers like Peter Dale Scott (the author of Deep Politics and the Death of J. F. K. and Crime and Cover-Up: The C.I.A., the Mafia and the Dallas-Watergate Connection), who posit all manner of hidden connections between organized crime, United States law enforcement agencies, the drug trade and foreign policy. Ms. Denton and Mr. Morris frequently accept, at face value, the assertions of their sources, however dubious or biased those sources might be. They cite, for instance, a gangster´s boast of delivering to President Jimmy Carter the vote of Nevada Senator Howard Cannon on the Panama Canal Zone Treaty without making independent efforts to verify the credibility of this assertion, and they quote a man named Michael Ventura, identified only as a frequent visitor to Las Vegas, as saying that the Mormon church has a great deal in common with the Mafia. In another chapter, the authors quote one historian, who calls Ronald Reagan´s ascension to the White House a slow motion coup d´état - that is, a coup that transformed the nation and helped give Las Vegas the opening to its own national empire beyond the wildest dreams of its nefarious founding fathers. Only a footnote reveals that that historian is really Mr. Morris himself, writing in another poorly documented book, Partners in Power (1996), which alleged that Bill Clinton used to attend cocaine parties and had shadowy links to a drug smuggling operation run out of Mena, Ark. Although The Money and the Power offers vivid portraits of some of the fascinating people who have played a role in Las Vegas´s short, electric history - including Meyer Lansky, Bugsy Siegel, Senator Pat McCarran, Gov. Paul Laxalt, Jimmy Hoffa and Steve Wynn - the authors are overly intent on turning all their subjects into representative men. Howard Hughes´s life, they write, paralleled in many ways the course of the country over the same 70 years: From the sweaty wildcatting of turn-of-the-century Texas oil fields to clammy, closed-door intrigues of the cold war and big-money politics, Hughes´s progress was an allegory of the nation´s passage. They add that John F. Kennedy´s career paralleled the rise of Las Vegas, that Lee Harvey Oswald came out of a history molded by the Strip, and that Jack Ruby, too, embodied Las
[CTRL] Mercenary, Inc.?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.bizforward.com/currentissue/mercenary/ Mercenary, Inc.? If You Ran a Third World Country and Your Military Needed Help, Who Would You Call? The U.S. Army? The UN? Try MPRI, an Alexandria, VA-Based Firm in the Vanguard of the Military Service Provider Movement. It's Big Business - And It Just May Be at the Cutting Edge of U.S. Foreign Policy. by Ken Silverstein - PHOTOGRAPHS BY WELTON DOBY III Ed Soyster is a retired three-star general and the former director of the super-secret Defense Intelligence Agency, but in his conservative brown business suit, he looks more like Willy Loman than James Bond. It's a chilly Tuesday morning in February, and Soyster has just greeted me at the door of Military Professional Resources, Inc. (MPRI), a rapidly growing firm based in Alexandria, VA, for which he is the spokesperson. MPRI's headquarters - located in a five-story office building next to a Best Western motel off the George Washington Parkway - appears as nondescript as Soyster. The reception-area coffee table is covered with old issues of Vanity Fair, Condé Nast Traveler, Food Wine and other standard fare. The firm's name and corporate logo, a golden sword, are embossed on the front door. Aside from the vaguely martial insignia, nothing otherwise distinguishes MPRI from the thousands of beltway bandit firms that ring Greater Washington. Given the nature of its business, MPRI's low profile probably is not a coincidence. Despite this bland façade, MPRI has emerged as the leading player in a controversial field that critics call Mercenary, Inc. Defenders prefer the more innocuous military service provider, arguing that these 21st-century exporters of war strategy are a far cry from the soldiers of fortune of the past. The firm's mission is to discreetly train foreign armies - often ones with atrocious human rights records - that are allied with the United States. The industry, though still in its infancy, is booming. So much so that last year MPRI was bought, on undisclosed terms, by L-3 Communications [ticker: LLL], a nearly $3-billion per year New York-based company that manufactures high-tech goods, primarily for the Pentagon. MPRI's corporate ranks are filled with dozens of retired officers. In fact, outside of the Pentagon, which is conveniently located just 10 minutes away, there are few places where you'll find such a gathering of high-powered military men. As we head back to his office, Soyster points out the office of MPRI's president, retired General Carl Vuono, U.S. Army chief of staff during the Gulf War, and introduces me to another retired general, Ron Griffiths, an executive vice president and a former Army vice chief of staff. Though he's not in on the day I arrive, Vuono's reputation precedes him: He's a meat-and-potatoes military man and former combat arms officer who commanded two battalions in Vietnam. To hear it from Soyster, MPRI sells a product that's utterly conventional. In fact, he jokes during my brief tour of the office, the parent firm L-3 is a publicly traded corporation, so anyone with a 401(k) retirement plan is probably an investor in our company. Of course, most companies don't go looking for business in countries rife with war and conflict. During the past few years, MPRI has worked with a group of countries that sounds like a casting call for next year's edition of Fielding's The World's Most Dangerous Places: Bosnia, Colombia, Equatorial Guinea and Nigeria. The incentive to join up with MPRI, industry watchers say, is money. Though the firm does not disclose the pay of its top officers, analysts say they expect all ranks make more than their U.S. military equivalents. But Soyster resists the notion that MPRI employees are rolling in cash - he says a colonel actually makes less if he teaches an ROTC course for MPRI than he made before retiring, but could make more than his U.S. Army counterparts if he is posted overseas for the firm. In any case, Soyster says, there's not much incentive for servicemen and women to quit and join MPRI, since the bump in pay is not dramatic, and because, like any contracting business, the work can be uncertain. We had about 30 COLONELS over there, five divisions' worth. The U.S. Army can't send those kind of NUMBERS. MPRI'S ED SOYSTER The Pentagon and the CIA have long used private contractors for a variety of tasks, from building base infrastructure to assisting with covert operations. But today's scenario differs greatly from past practice. MPRI and other private military companies (PMCs) are not CIA cutouts but huge corporations with diverse interests. Their work is implemented not by CIA-trained foreign locals, but by high-ranking U.S. military officers fresh out of the armed forces. Driving the proliferation of PMCs are the huge cutbacks in the number of U.S. armed forces personnel following the end of the Cold War. Between 1985 - the height of the Reagan-era military buildup - and 1999, troop levels
Re: [CTRL] Joshua2 Is a Woman - Guess Who
-Caveat Lector- --- Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hey Public Image - Come out from behind the phoney image - bet you are taller sitting down than standing up too. i bet that in person you sound like Charlie Brown's teacher, you silly old bat. wah wah wah wah wah. does my height matter that much anyway? you and your pedigree. i could care less if you were straight from the line of Jesus himself, you'd still be a dumb old fart. Are you the mastermind of Joshua's Revolution? You going to help him play into his hands - pardon, he said our hands did he not? i have no affilition with Joshua2, nor anyone else in this group. perhaps you should stop inventing imaginary conspiracies (political and online) and start using that feeble brain of yours for something it's capable of. my recommendation is finger painting. Who you fronting for, ADL and the cabbage head? nope, i'm fronting for ADD and Cabbage Patch Kids. dummy. Public Image - has no name - just another would be censor and we all know who loves to censor. you know what? you're absolutely right! i'd LOVE to censor you. i'd like to shut you up completely once and for all, especially since you haven't contributed anything of worth to this group. i've been reading posts to this forum passively for quite some time and all you ever do is start arguments with your silly and incoherent babbling. your presence in this group is a waste, and it is a discredit to all the sensible contributors like Kris and Co. who are at least TRYING to get at some discernable truth, wherever the search may take them. and a few of us who read without making our presence known are sick of your efforts to distract people from that search for truth. so, you crotchety old witch, get on your broom and fly your ass back to Berlin or wherever you're from this week. i don't care what your family bloodline is, because you're a disgrace to it anyway. one question: which old folks' home allows their alzheimer's patients to use WebTV? The Public Image __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Joshua2 Is a Woman - Guess Who
-Caveat Lector- You guys, gals, and those of you who haven't made up your minds yet, are bullying Saba. When she snaps, the damage will be on your heads. Bill H boy, i hope she doesn't snap and kill any of her caretakers in the mental ward. i'd just feel TERRIBLE. The Public Image __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Chammish: Listen to me
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Barry Chamish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: Listen to me Hello, I'm preparing a report for next week which directly connects Shimon Peres to Pres. Bush's Middle East advisor Richard Haass. Watch out, Peres is in Washington in a few days, plotting with Israel's enemies in the Bush administration. I'll be looking at the sudden emergence of bald repression in the deportation of investigative journalist Dell Griffin and the police investigation of Tzhai Zveig, the graduate student of archaeology who blew the whistle on the PLO digging under the Temple Mount...and more. But until then, if you'd like to hear me in an extensive interview, go to: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ Double Click Radio On Demand and then Ron Meir. It takes about twenty minutes to get to my segment but may I take the liberty of claiming it will be worth it. Best, Barry = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AA: Clinton Steals the Show At African Aids Summit
-Caveat Lector- http://allafrica.com/stories/200104260062.html Clinton Steals the Show At African Aids Summit Panafrican News Agency (Dakar) April 26, 2001 Posted to the web April 26, 2001 Segun Adeyemi Abuja, Nigeria Making his second visit to Nigeria in nine months, but this time as a private citizen, former US President Bill Clinton stole the show at the opening session of the African AIDS Summit in Abuja Thursday, attracting the loudest ovation from the crowd. Apparently impressed with Clinton's larger-than-life image and his support for Africa over the years, the crowd applauded him as he walked into the cavernous Abuja International Press Centre venue of the Summit, organised by the Organisation of African Unity (OAU) and hosted by the Nigerian government to forge a continental response to the scourge of HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and other related infectious diseases. Clinton, invited to the Summit by President Olusegun Obasanjo during his last trip to Nigeria in August 2000, walked in alongside former Ghanaian President Jerry Rawlings, and later joked about it when he said the two represented the group of has beens at the conference. Saying he proudly acknowledge I have loved Africa so well, the former US President said: I am here because I care about Africa and I care about AIDS. Addressing several African leaders gathered at the Summit, he said: Today the world looks to Africa for leadership not just to safe your own people but to show the world how to save theirs. He recounted the grim data of HIV/AIDS infection in Africa, which includes that 24.5 million of the 36 million people infected world-wide are from the continent, and the economic tragedy posed by the disease. Clinton recalled that his administration declared AIDS a national security issue because of the enormity of the problem, and said that though the administration was ridiculed then, it had been proven right as the epidemic had assumed a global dimension. Referring to Africa as the origin of humanity, Clinton told the Summit: The place where humanity began is being given the chance to safe humanity. The US government's delegation to the Summit is led by Nancy Powell, Acting Assistant Secretary of State for Africa, after Secretary of State Colin Powell failed to make it to the meeting for reasons not unconnected with the presence of Libyan leader Moammar Kadhafi. - Copyright © 2001 Panafrican News Agency. Distributed by AllAfrica Global = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New book (fwd)
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 7:32 AM Subject: More book news I know a sent a missive about myother book but to my surprise, the book below is now NUMBER SIX on the Barnes and Noble bestselling list! I'm beating Dave Berry and to keep this exercise in self-promotion a little germaineguess whose book is right above mine? None other than Bob Dole! Something about the "wit and wisdom of politics"! Y'all better order books now for me to sign. I'm not stopping and I'll find success my own way. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DLSIJ Press Appleton, WI 54915 http://dlsijpress.com PUBLISHER CONTACT: Sidney Jameson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] AUTHOR CONTACT: Patricia Fish, [EMAIL PROTECTED] After enjoying success as an electronic book, "Everything You Need To Know About Being a Woman Can Be Learned in the Garden" by author Patricia Fish will be released as a paperback next month. Ms. Fish, a resident of Pasadena, Maryland, uses her unique sense of humor to introduce us to the Hillery Beach Garden Club. This group of middle-aged, suburban woman has had it with all the female advice gurus and self-help books. They believe that only women with considerable experience should be dispensing such advice. With their combined wisdom of 1,070 years, they are sure that they know it all and begin to compose the ultimate self-help book. The Hillery Beach Garden Club begins each thoughtful chapter with a story/vignette from their own ecogarden that‹according to them‹illustrates the chapter subject. Then they present the highlights of their chapter discussions for the reader to digest and to become‹so the women assume‹a more enlightened female. The women wrap up each chapter with their conclusions, which do not‹to the surprise of the reader‹quite align with the chapter subject. As the reader delves into the stories of dogs, cats, flowers, squirrels, birds, and humans, she will also become immersed in the interesting little dramas and personalities of the Hillery Beach Garden Club itself. The reader will be most amused as the women attempt to bring their book to fruition, against all odds. While the stories of the ecogarden prove heartwarming and most enlightening, it is the funny and insightful discussions of the women which provide an even greater wisdom. The 6x9 paperback will be available for $15.95. The publisher is accepting pre-release orders on their website dlsijpress.com. http://dlsijpress.com/fish/ PAPERBACK ISBN: 1-928973-40-X :::end = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends=
[CTRL] Bush budget doesn't include funds to fight tobacco
-Caveat Lector- Bush budget doesn't include funds to fight tobacco By KAREN GULLO, Associated Press WASHINGTON (April 25, 2001 1:11 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - The Bush administration has not asked Congress for money in its new budget to fund an enormous lawsuit against big tobacco companies, prompting concerns that the Justice Department may not be able to continue the suit. The administration has requested $1.8 million to pay salaries and staff costs for the tobacco litigation team in the department's civil division, Justice officials said. But no money has been sought to pay for legal work, such as gathering and analyzing millions of documents that tobacco companies have asked to see. The litigation team has estimated that it needs more than $57 million this year to keep working on the case, according to The Washington Post, which cited a March 12 memo sent by tobacco litigation lawyers to Attorney General John Ashcroft. The litigation team said that without more money, it can't keep pursuing the case. David Ogden, assistant attorney general and head of the department's civil division, had made the same argument last fall. The Justice Department suit, filed in September 1999, accused big tobacco companies of putting profits before health by concealing data showing that nicotine is addictive and that smoking causes disease. The government seeks to recover hundreds of millions of dollars in medical costs borne by federal health programs to pay for smoking-related illness. Tobacco companies have denied the charges. Republicans and members of Congress from tobacco states oppose the litigation and have tried to block the Justice Department from getting money to continue the suit. Congress redirected $11 million from other federal agencies to pay for the litigation and can do the same this year, Susan Dryden, Justice Department spokeswoman, said Wednesday. She would not confirm whether the department needs another $57 million. She said Ashcroft has not yet reviewed the memo. No decision has been made on whether to continue the lawsuit, she added. During his confirmation hearings Ashcroft said he would evaluate the litigation, which he opposed when he was in the Senate. President Bush said during the presidential campaign, We've had enough lawsuits. Justice Department officials said the lack of a specific request for litigation money doesn't indicate the agency's position on the lawsuit, pointing out that there was no money in last year's budget for the suit beyond $1.8 million for staff costs and that funding level has been continued in the new budget request. This budget does not take a position on the funding of tobacco litigation, Paul McNulty, acting principal associate deputy attorney general, said at a budget briefing last week. Dryden said the decision about whether to continue the suit was a policy matter, not a budget issue. But money is crucial to the government's ability to process millions of pages of tobacco industry documents, some dating back to 1954, and a huge number of government documents the industry wants to see. A trial was to begin in January 2003. The lawsuit names Philip Morris Inc.; Philip Morris Companies; R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co.; American Tobacco Co.; Brown Williamson Tobacco Corp.; British-American Tobacco P.L.C.; British-American Tobacco (Investments) Ltd.; Lorillard Tobacco Co. Inc.; Liggett and Myers Inc.; the Council for Tobacco Research U.S.A. Inc., and the Tobacco Institute Inc. ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Aventis: Biotech traces inevitable in food supply
-Caveat Lector- Aventis: Biotech traces inevitable in food supply The Associated Press WASHINGTON (April 24, 2001 9:47 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - According to the company that developed StarLink, the nation's food supply is likely to contain trace levels of the unapproved biotech corn for the foreseeable future, but contamination is so low that it poses no possible health concern. Discovery of the corn in taco shells last fall led to nationwide recalls of corn products, and more recalls may be necessary unless the government agrees to allow a minimal amount of the corn in food, Aventis CropScience said in a filing with the Environmental Protection Agency. EPA officials said Tuesday that research submitted as a part of the filing showed that potential exposure to StarLink in processed foods is significantly lower than previously estimated. StarLink corn was never approved for human consumption because of unresolved questions about the potential of a unique protein it contains, known as Cry9C, to cause allergic reactions in people. Aventis asked EPA last fall to grant the corn temporary food-use approval to eliminate the need for recalls and disruptions in grain trade. Now, Aventis says it would be sufficient for EPA to set a maximum level, or tolerance, for the biotech grain of 20 parts per billion. So long as the government views any level of Cry9C protein, detected by any method of analysis, as rendering food legally adulterated, major disruptions of the food supply will continue even though the theoretical risk is vanishingly small, Aventis said in the filing. This outcome would not contribute to the protection of public health or represent wise public policy. Aventis submitted results of studies showing that processing greatly diminished, but did not eliminate, Cry9C levels in foods made with StarLink corn. StarLink corn was supposed to be grown and handled separately from other grain but farmers often failed to do so. StarLink was widely mixed with other corn and also cross-pollinated with other varieties of corn. Nearly 80 small seed companies have reported finding Cry9C in non-StarLink corn. ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE SECRET RULERS OF THE WORLD (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- TV series starts in the old country this Sunday http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=1029 Original Message Subject: TV series starts in the old country this Sunday Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:22:41 +0100 From: Tony Gosling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Worth flying over for! THE SECRET RULERS OF THE WORLD - THE LEGEND OF RUBY RIDGE Channel 4 - 9pm - Sunday 29 April 2001 - First episode in Jon Ronson's new series Crackpot conspiracy theorists or enlightened outsiders? In the first of five programmes looking at the world through the eyes of conspiracy theorists, Jon Ronson tells the story of the infamous killings at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Ronson, aided by the candid and moving recollections of Rachel Weaver and her father Randy, examines how this seminal incident shaped the course of the American Militia movement, the Waco siege, and possibly even the Oklahoma bombing. Bohemian Grove programme on - 20th May 2001 Bilderberg programme on - 27th May 2001 best wishes Tony# - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bilderberg.org === An Unbelievable Discovery! - Dont Forget Waco http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=1029 Sheriff Boots Feds from His County http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=1011 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] TaxNation
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Will Bush Let French Bureaucrats Take Your Money?
Wes Vernon
Thursday, April 26, 2001
WASHINGTON French bureaucrats want to decide how much of your own money you, as an
American citizen, are allowed to keep. Now the White House is being urged to plunge
into a fight over this issue going on behind closed doors in the Treasury
Department.
As NewsMax.com reported earlier this week, the Paris-based Organization of Economic
Cooperation and Development (OECD) is seeking the economic clout to sanction low-tax
nations for engaging in unfair competition. Those sanctions would include, but not
be restricted to, isolating the low-tax nations' banks from international commerce.
U.S. taxpayers who fork over up to 40 percent of their money in taxes every year may
be surprised to learn this, but by OECD standards, we are a low-tax nation. It's the
high-tax welfare states in Europe that are out to stop low taxes as unfair. Why?
Because the low-taxing countries have had the audacity to drain investment and jobs
from the high-tax welfare states. The high priests of high taxation regard this as
an outrage and an affront to their sacred socialist welfare state ideology.
The Clinton administration had pledged cooperation with OECD. At the Treasury
Department, the battle is on to persuade the Bush administration to follow suit. The
tension is between the entrenched career bureaucrats who helped formulate the
Clinton policy and the political Bush appointees who, according to sources, may be
wavering.
Mark Weinberger, who only last month was confirmed as assistant Treasury secretary
for Tax Policy and thus is just barely getting his feet wet in that job, is one of
the Bush people coming under intense pressure from the holdovers, who are giving him
the old line of Come on! We cant let our allies down. This is a done deal. They're
counting on us.
In a letter quoted the other day by columnist Robert Novak, Weinberger gave a
noncommittal bureaucratic answer when asked for his views by Sen. Don Nickles, R-
Okla.
All is not necessarily lost, however. The free-market community is urging the
administration to reject cooperating with this high-tax cartel. Some free-market
think tanks with strong friends in the administration have received calls from the
administration urging them to send us your talking points. That is hopeful, but
not necessarily an indication of which way the winds are blowing.
In mid-May, there will be a ministerial meeting in Paris involving the U.S. Treasury
Department and its overseas counterparts throughout Europe, North America and the
Pacific Rim. The OECD is likely to be one of the issues on the front burner. That
adds to the urgency of free-market forces. They want the Bush White House to become
actively involved.
The question is who is running the administration? The Bush people, whose leader was
duly elected to office, or the faceless bureaucrats elected by nobody?
The larger question, as seen by those close to the activity on this tug-of-war, is
what the White House will do when it comes to a fork in the road, with one path
representing French tax collectors, the other representing American taxpayers.
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democratic State has no clothes; that all governments subsist
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[CTRL] Fwd: TV series: THE SECRET RULERS OF THE WORLD
TV series starts in the old country this Sunday http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=1029 Original Message Subject: TV series starts in the old country this Sunday Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:22:41 +0100 From: Tony Gosling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Worth flying over for! THE SECRET RULERS OF THE WORLD - THE LEGEND OF RUBY RIDGE Channel 4 - 9pm - Sunday 29 April 2001 - First episode in Jon Ronson's new series Crackpot conspiracy theorists or enlightened outsiders? In the first of five programmes looking at the world through the eyes of conspiracy theorists, Jon Ronson tells the story of the infamous killings at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Ronson, aided by the candid and moving recollections of Rachel Weaver and her father Randy, examines how this seminal incident shaped the course of the American Militia movement, the Waco siege, and possibly even the Oklahoma bombing. Bohemian Grove programme on - 20th May 2001 Bilderberg programme on - 27th May 2001 best wishes Tony# - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bilderberg.org === An Unbelievable Discovery! - Dont Forget Waco http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=1029 Sheriff Boots Feds from His County http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=1011
[CTRL] Foot and Mouth linked stories
-Caveat Lector- RSPCA inspectors visit mass cull site http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_258970.html Protesters oppose mass livestock grave http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_261305.html Policeman injured as stolen foot-and-mouth digger crushes van http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_261858.html Foot-and-mouth protest leader tells of digger horror http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_261926.html RSPCA praises 'quality' of slaughter operation http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_262176.html Officer recovering after foot-and-mouth protest http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_263160.html Culled carcasses 'buried in wrong place' http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_264046.html Hague calls for Army to take control of foot-and-mouth crisis http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_264119.html Foot-and-mouth burial site violence condemned http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_265996.html Slaughterman 'shot in head' at mass cull site http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_266210.html Airfield carcass blaze halted http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_216053.html Man charged with murdering slaughterman http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_218908.html Man in court over slaughterman murder http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_220105.html Protests after blood from culled sheep flows onto busy road http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_223045.html Stolen foot-and-mouth virus 'released deliberately' http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_223605.html Carcasses of 6,000 sheep moved in pollution alert http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_226562.html Farmers rebel over foot-and-mouth slaughter http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_227328.html Slaughter teams halfway through animal cull http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_228402.html US hires more inspectors to keep out foot-and-mouth http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_228966.html Irish meat processing plant shut down http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_256673.html Foot-and-mouth pyres stopped over health fears http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_261217.html Foot-and-mouth pyres 'create more pollution than UK factories' http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_268623.html Pyre stopped over cancer fears http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_268757.html Forces to help clear foot-and-mouth backlog http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_269765.html Call for use of napalm in foot-and-mouth battle http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_269892.html Slaughterman 'may have caught virus from exploding carcass' http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_270851.html Maff vets say animals culled without 'rhyme or reason' http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_272632.html Foot-and-mouth slaughterman 'terrified' after carcasses explode http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_272805.html Government 'knew about animal pyres health risk' http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_273856.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush budget doesn't include funds to fight tobacco
-Caveat Lector- SO WHAT Big Deal - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 4:51 PM Subject: [CTRL] Bush budget doesn't include funds to fight tobacco -Caveat Lector- Bush budget doesn't include funds to fight tobacco By KAREN GULLO, Associated Press WASHINGTON (April 25, 2001 1:11 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - The Bush administration has not asked Congress for money in its new budget to fund an enormous lawsuit against big tobacco companies, prompting concerns that the Justice Department may not be able to continue the suit. The administration has requested $1.8 million to pay salaries and staff costs for the tobacco litigation team in the department's civil division, Justice officials said. But no money has been sought to pay for legal work, such as gathering and analyzing millions of documents that tobacco companies have asked to see. The litigation team has estimated that it needs more than $57 million this year to keep working on the case, according to The Washington Post, which cited a March 12 memo sent by tobacco litigation lawyers to Attorney General John Ashcroft. The litigation team said that without more money, it can't keep pursuing the case. David Ogden, assistant attorney general and head of the department's civil division, had made the same argument last fall. The Justice Department suit, filed in September 1999, accused big tobacco companies of putting profits before health by concealing data showing that nicotine is addictive and that smoking causes disease. The government seeks to recover hundreds of millions of dollars in medical costs borne by federal health programs to pay for smoking-related illness. Tobacco companies have denied the charges. Republicans and members of Congress from tobacco states oppose the litigation and have tried to block the Justice Department from getting money to continue the suit. Congress redirected $11 million from other federal agencies to pay for the litigation and can do the same this year, Susan Dryden, Justice Department spokeswoman, said Wednesday. She would not confirm whether the department needs another $57 million. She said Ashcroft has not yet reviewed the memo. No decision has been made on whether to continue the lawsuit, she added. During his confirmation hearings Ashcroft said he would evaluate the litigation, which he opposed when he was in the Senate. President Bush said during the presidential campaign, We've had enough lawsuits. Justice Department officials said the lack of a specific request for litigation money doesn't indicate the agency's position on the lawsuit, pointing out that there was no money in last year's budget for the suit beyond $1.8 million for staff costs and that funding level has been continued in the new budget request. This budget does not take a position on the funding of tobacco litigation, Paul McNulty, acting principal associate deputy attorney general, said at a budget briefing last week. Dryden said the decision about whether to continue the suit was a policy matter, not a budget issue. But money is crucial to the government's ability to process millions of pages of tobacco industry documents, some dating back to 1954, and a huge number of government documents the industry wants to see. A trial was to begin in January 2003. The lawsuit names Philip Morris Inc.; Philip Morris Companies; R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co.; American Tobacco Co.; Brown Williamson Tobacco Corp.; British-American Tobacco P.L.C.; British-American Tobacco (Investments) Ltd.; Lorillard Tobacco Co. Inc.; Liggett and Myers Inc.; the Council for Tobacco Research U.S.A. Inc., and the Tobacco Institute Inc. ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June
-Caveat Lector- Tisk, tisk! Just this week we heard how self-taught June was on using the computer, implying fools like myself and Aleisha should do the same. After being banned for life, etc. Well, I do not know many 'self-taught' professionals. But it comes as no surprise that she bickers on other lists as well. I remember once she said she was the 'best spiritual medium in her 'church' but she claims Aleisha and I and c and Samantha and birds and on and on are the same people. Could be because this is her game. Amelia - Original Message - From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June -Caveat Lector- So June or Donna or what - you once knew a Colleen, but you never knew me. So in your more humble days you admitted to being an illiterate? But then in all fairness you had much about which to be humble? You are hereby commended for your honesty in admitting that you are indeed, illiterate.and stop ending sentences with prepositions if you are going to correct people's grammar and spelling. So long, Hot Pants with a lot of slack in the back. Saba Like Rumpelstiktskin, Donna Logan is her name? How simply sweet. Subject: Re: How do I obtain? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 04:20:06 -0400 (EDT) (21 lines) From: Donna J. Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who died and left you God? My software allows me to respond privately to posters on mailing lists don't take your frustrations out on us just because you have lousy ISP which doesn't allow you the option...or that YOUR level of net literacy is so low that you don't know how to do it. Since you seem so adamant about netiquette, then you should be aware that the only person with the right to lecture about reading FAQs, sticking to *rules*, etc., is the list owner, not you! Chill out, and don't let the door slam when you leave this list to all us *illiterates* Rev. Donna, COAL (12+ years as a computer professional, BTW) ;- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Konformist: (unknown) (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:35:42 - From: Robert Sterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Konformist: (unknown) Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com Final Program: Press Freedom Conference Tue, 24 Apr 2001 Peter Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please alert your listservs and link your websites this weekend April 28-29 to http://www.donandcarla.net/ for live coverage of the Press Freedom Conference in San Francisco. PRESS FREEDOM CONFERENCE ALTERNATIVE NEWS MEDIA EXPOSITION CONFERENCE PROGRAM APRIL 27-29 2001 SAN FRANCISCO STATE UNIVERSITY THE EXPOSITION HALL WILL BE OPEN SATURDAY FROM 10-5:00 SUNDAY FROM 10:00-4:00 WITH OVER 100 ALTERNATIVE NEWS MEDIA EXHIBITERS Registration on Line at http://www.projectcensored.org/intro.htm or call 707-664-2500 Full Conference Registration $50, Student/low-income $25 Daily Admittance: $10.00 or $7.00 student/low-income Friday April 27th Cesar Chavez Student Union, San Francisco State University CONFERENCE RECEPTION AND REGISTRATION 7:00 to 10:00 PM - Robin Andersen: Fordham University, Host/MC - Charles Klotzer: Editor-publisher emeritus, St Louis Journalism Review, Speaker Music by Larry Shaw Poetry by: Keith Antar Mason: Artistic director: The Hittite Empire Reception and Celebration for Project Censored and Media Alliance's 25th Anniversaries Music, Cake, Food, and No-host Beer and Wine Open to all Registered Conference participants, SFSU SSU volunteers $15 at the door for public Saturday April 28th San Francisco State University Gymnasium Complex 7:30-10:00 AM Exhibitor Set-up in SFSU Gym Complex Exposition Hall opens to the public at 10:00 AM $10.00 Daily Admission $7.00 Student/low-income KEYNOTES, PANELS AND WORKSHOPS: 10:00-11:15 AM, Gym 118 PANEL: Media Activism in the Fight Against Domestic Militarization and the Prison Industrial Complex - Facilitated by Michelle Foy of California Prison Focus and the California Prison Moratorium Project. - Rose Braz, director of Critical Resistance: Beyond the Prison Industrial Complex. - Jose Palafox: PhD student in Ethnic Studies at UC Berkeley, immigrant rights activist and co-producer of the film New World Border. - Ed Mead, Former political prisoner and co-founder of Prison Legal News 10:00 to 11:15 AM, Women's gym PANEL: The Decline of the Media in the New World Order Chair: Louis Hiken, National Lawyer's Guild Committee on Democratic Communications, How to build a political movement when corporations own the means of communications - Sara Flounders, Founder and co-director of the International Action Center, Opposition to US Corporate Wars: Need to create a movement that does not rely on the corporate media. - Peter Sussman, Author/Journalist: Co-author with prison writer Dannie Martin of' Committing Journalism. True Crime:The Censors and the Sensationalists 10:00- 11:15, Gym 123 Working Groups - Indymedia IMC Organizer Working Group: plan facilitation and prepare for the IMC Welcome session 10:15 to 11:30, Gym 114 FILM: Storm from the Mountain: The Zapatistas Take Mexico City An Indymedia Production by Big Noise Films, The Chiapas Media Project and Paper Tiger TV for Free speech TV 10:30-11:3, Gym 116 WORKSHOP: Independent Press Association: Information 10:30-11:45, Chavez Student Union, Rosa Parks Room WORKSHOP: Psychiatric Drug Corporations. Human Rights and the Media - David Oaks, Director: Support Coalition International - Sally Zinman, Director: California Network of Mental Health Clients 10:30-11:45, Exhibit Hall East WORKSHOP: Labor Media and Technology Chair: Steve Zeltzer, Labor Video Project - Wes Brain of SEIU Local 503 and a labor video producer - Carl Bryant, Producer, Letter Carriers TV214 11:30-12:45, Gym 118 PANEL: Indymedia: Since Seattle, Where are we headed? - Sheri Herndon, Seattle IMC Moderator, How the IMC got started: video clip from Showdown in Seattle Inside the Seattle IMC - Luz: Chiapas IMC. Video clip of the recent Zapatista march to Mexico City - Lynea Diaz-Hagan, New York IMC : video clips, Not My President Anti-inaugural Bush Protests. - Shane Korytko, Canada/Argentina IMC', Video clip of protests in Quebec City - Rachel Rinaldo, Coordinator of Indymedia Newsreal 11:30-12:45, Women's Gym PANEL: Is There Room For Progressives on Commercial Radio? Chair: Peter Werbe, Detroit Michigan - Louie Free, Youngstown, Ohio - Pat Thurston, KSRO Santa Rosa, California - Francisco Aruca, President of Radio Progreso, Inc -Media Manipulation and the Politics of Fear: The Miami Experience 11:30-12:45, Gym 146 WORKSHOP: Micro-Radio Movement - Sarah Olsen and Richard Edmondson: San Francisco Liberation Radio - Maria Gilardin, TUC radio - Greg Ruggerio, Seven Stories Press - John Malkin, Free Radio Santa
Re: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June
From: Aleisha Saba So in your more humble days you admitted to being an illiterate? When did I ever say so? In the quote you provide I put the word in between asterisks, which is "netspeak" for quotes (from the days when quotes would cause all sorts of nastiness to an email, so asterisks were used instead)... In other words, it represents SATIRE, which I know you have trouble comprehending. But then in all fairness you had much about which to be humble? Not as much as you do... Like Rumpelstiktskin, Donna Logan is her name? How simply sweet. The birth certificate reads Donna June Logan. Now why don't YOU post YOUR real name(s)? ;-) June _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Sweet Donna aka Revcoal
From: Aleisha Saba Forsooth: June aka Revcoal Hotpants aka Donna Logan terrifies otherlist members and threatens to leave a list in shambles... What terrorism or threat was there in the post you provided? In that post all I did was advise people who were leaving that list due to the flamefests that had overwhelmed it for the prior weeks let the listowner know why they were doing so. I'd say the same thing here...that anyone who leaves CTRL due to being fed-up with all the innanities Saba posts, to let Kris know why they were leaving... June _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Weyrich's Free Pass
In a message dated 4/26/01 2:07:26 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Truth is Truth. Jesus was put to death by the Pilate at the behest of the jewish leaders because they concidered him to be a trouble maker. And thats the truth! Ugh! I thought we were asked by the list owner, Kris, to knock off all the silly mythology/Xinsanity bulls**t! Is this a conspiracy list or a revival meeting?? Bill.
[CTRL] What's Happening At The South Pole????
http://www.enterprisemission.com/antarctica.htm What is Happening at the South Pole? "Frankly doctor, we've been receiving reports that a rather serious epidemic has broken out at Clavius. Is this in fact what has happened? Dr. Floyd -- "I'm sorry. As I said, I'm not at liberty to discuss it." -- Scene from 2001 - a Space Odyssey In recent weeks, a series of disturbing and mysterious reports have been coming out of Antarctica, centered around a strange "anomaly" recently detected on that perpetually frozen Continent. The stories, covered extensively by internet news sources (like Kent Steadman's Cyberspace Orbit site), draw eerie parallels to material as diverse as a French novel, the "X-Files" movie, and as we shall see, even Arthur C. Clarke's "2001 - A Space Odyssey." All the intrigue centers around a fairly recent, but potentially "breakthrough" discovery on that faraway Continent. In 1957, the Russians built a base in eastern Antarctica which they named "Vostok" (East), which also happens to be the name of the first series of manned Russian spacecraft. In the 1970's, via airborne radar surveys, they belatedly began to suspect that they had "inadvertently" (as the story goes) built their base at the tip of a large subglacial lake. In the years since, orbital radar mapping (shown below) combined with surface seismological measurements have confirmed that "Lake Vostok," under over two miles of solid ice, is the largest lake discovered in the last 100 years -- roughly the size of Lake Ontario but much deeper in places (more than 3000 feet!), with about four times the volume. The Lake, which is still liquid and not frozen, has been isolated under the ice sheet since anywhere from 13,000 to 14 million years ago, depending on who you talk to (thus, who's estimating precisely "when" the ice last completely covered the Continent). The water in the Lake (determined by surface thermal scans) ranges from 50 to 65 degrees F, clearly indicating a sub-terranean heat source. In addition, the whole Lake is covered by a sloping air "dome" several thousand feet high that has formed (from the "hot" water melting the overlying ice) just above the Lake's surface. Core samples taken by the Russians a couple years ago at their Vostok Base -- when they drilled down very close to the bottom of the ice sheet -- have revealed the presence of microbes, nutrients and various gases -- like methane -- embedded in the clear, refrozen Lake water just above the "dome." Such items are typical signatures of biological processes. The Lake, therefore, has all the ingredients of an incredible scientific find: a completely "isolated" eco-system -- water, heat, respired gases and (judging from the unique microorganisms that scientists were actually able to culture in the United States and Russia, when retrieved from their icy prison) ... current biological activity. As the actual scope and composition of the Lake became clearer from about 1998 on, NASA began to see it as an ideal test bed for its eventual plans to drill through the ice and search the oceans of Jupiter's moon, Europa. Accordingly, JPL received NASA grants to develop unique "sterile" drilling technology, conduct actually drilling and probe experiments in other terrestrial environments, and to prepare a Plan to actually enter Lake Vostok by 2002. But, coincident with a stunning new discovery, JPL has evidently now backed off these ambitious exploration plans. According to Scientific American, the National Science Foundation has now suddenly cancelled plans to penetrate the Lake with a robotic probe by that target date: 2002. The ostensible reason is "concern over environmental contamination." As noted earlier, core samples returned from the ice refrozen just 100 yards above the Lake's "air dome," contained a plethora of microorganisms of various categories, including some never seen before. These new, exotic life forms have raised concerns among the environmental lobby that exploration of Lake Vostok might "contaminate" an otherwise pristine eco-system. All this seems quite reasonable, until you factor in what happened in February, and the reaction to it. A team of scientists from Columbia University, working under the auspices of the NSF, early in 2001 began a series of unprecedented low-altitude aerial surveys over Lake Vostok, designed to chart gravitational, magnetic and thermal activity under the ice. In the course of doing so, they made a stunning find. A huge magnetic anomaly was discovered covering the entire Southeast portion of the shore of the Lake. This remarkable anomaly, which is discrepant from the background by over 1,000 nanoteslas (a significant variance, compared to daily variations in the Earth's magnetic field), could of course be caused by "natural" processes. One possibility, voiced by Columbia's Michael Studinger, is that the Earth's crust in the vicinity of the Lake is
[CTRL] House may end contract for berets
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! House may end contract for berets By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES Some members of the House Armed Services Committee plan to try to block the Army´s black beret handout this year through legislation canceling the production contracts, a congressman said yesterday. Rep. Roscoe G. Bartlett, Maryland Republican and an Armed Services Committee member, said the move would come via an amendment to the 2002 defense budget bill written this summer, or in a stand-alone bill. I think there is a growing sentiment among our members that the Army is in a very difficult situation, said Mr. Bartlett, who, like many other lawmakers, is upset that more than 600,000 berets are being produced in communist China. He said the Army was politically incapable of doing the right thing, which is to say we will cancel the black beret program. I would say there is a very high probability we will put something in the bill on the berets, Mr. Bartlett said in an interview. I would think it would be to cancel the contracts of those made in China and not implement the berets for Army-wide use. His remarks came after the Armed Services Committee met behind closed doors yesterday with Gen. Eric Shinseki, the Army chief of staff. Also questioned was Lt. Gen. Henry T. Glisson, director of the Defense Logistics Agency, which is buying nearly 4 million berets at up to $35 million for virtually all Army soldiers. It was not clear yesterday whether Congress could act quickly enough to stop the Chinese production before the contract is fulfilled. China already has delivered more than half of the 618,000 berets that the U.S. Army ordered. Soldiers began receiving the new headgear this month. All are scheduled to have the headgear by June, meaning congressional action to rescind the program would result in troops exchanging the new berets for the foldable green caps they replaced. Gen. Shinseki announced in October he would put a beret on every soldier as a symbol of the Army´s transformation into a lighter, more agile force for the 21st century. Since then, the apparel decision has not gone as smoothly as top Army officials predicted. The special operations community erupted in anger, saying universal berets cheapened the black berets given to elite Army Rangers, as well as maroon berets for airborne troops and green berets for special forces. Then, The Washington Times reported that the Defense Logistics Agency, in order to meet Gen. Shinseki´s June 14 deadline for black berets for all Army soldiers, had to award contracts to companies that operate low-wage factories overseas, including in China. To meet the deadline, the agency invoked a legally available waiver to a federal law, known as the Berry Amendment, which requires U.S. military uniforms to be made of American components in domestic factories. The twin complications of soldier protests and a Chinese connection prompted letters from lawmakers calling on President Bush, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Gen. Shinseki to cancel the program. But the general stood firm and announced a compromise by which the Rangers would switch from black to tan berets. Mr. Bartlett described the sentiment of congressional members as, I don´t want to micromanage, but this is a mess. The congressman said he does not know whether there are sufficient votes in committee to cancel the beret program. Committee member Rep. Duncan Hunter, California Republican, also has been a critic of the Army´s beret decision. A spokesman said Mr. Hunter has declined to comment but may have a statement later on the issue. Senate Armed Services Chairman Sen. John W. Warner, Virginia Republican, has called on the Army to suspend black beret handouts until a new civilian secretary can review the program. The White House announced yesterday it would nominate retired Brig. Gen. Thomas E. White as the next Army secretary. He now faces a Senate confirmation hearing. Congressional sources said Gen. Shinseki spent much of his briefing yesterday justifying his beret decision. The sources said the witnesses refrained from using the word China when discussing where 618,000 berets were being made. Instead, they referred to the name of the British company that operates the plant there. They never could have anticipated they would have to make these in China at the same time they are holding 24 hostages, said Mr. Bartlett, referring to China´s 12-day detention of 24 EP-3E American crew members on Hainan island earlier this month. More than 75 House members signed a letter to Mr. Rumsfeld last month protesting the foreign purchases. U.S. apparel manufacturers contend they could have competed for a larger share of the nearly 4 million berets if Gen. Shinseki had not set such a tight
[CTRL] Study: U.S. public holds negative views of Chinese
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Study: U.S. public holds negative views of Chinese By K. Connie Kang Times Staff Writer Published April 25 2001, 7:08 PM CDT One in four Americans hold very negative attitudes toward Americans of Chinese ancestry, and one-third question their loyalty to the United States, according to a nationwide poll scheduled for release Wednesday in Washington. The survey of the public attitude toward Chinese-Americans also found that while an overwhelming majority of Americans admire Chinese-Americans for their devotion to family and emphasis on education and diligence, nearly a quarter would not approve of intermarriage with a Chinese-American. Twenty-three percent of Americans said they are uncomfortable with the idea of voting for an Asian-American candidate for president, compared with 15 percent uncomfortable with voting for a black candidate, 14 percent for a woman candidate and 11 percent for a Jewish contender. One-third (34 percent) said Chinese-Americans have too much influence in the U.S. technology sector. Virtually the same proportion (32 percent) said Chinese-Americans are more loyal to China than to the United States. The poll findings, coming at a time of renewed tension between the U.S. and Chinese governments, disheartened experts who have long believed that the American public's perception of Chinese-Americans and other Asian-Americans is disproportionately affected by the tone of diplomatic relations. These experts felt some of the responses illustrated that Americans are woefully ignorant about Asian-Americans, even in California, where 40 percent of the nation's Asian-Americans live. We find these findings startling, said Henry S. Tang , chairman of the Committee of 100, a Chinese-American leadership organization, which sponsored the telephone survey of 1,216 Americans. The group's better-known members include cellist Yo-Yo Ma and architect I.M. Pei. It makes you wonder how not only Chinese-Americans but Asian-Americans can shake this legacy of somehow being less than 100 percent Americans, said political scientist Don T. Nakanishi, director of the Asian American Studies Center at the University of California, Los Angeles. Wednesday's survey disclosure at the National Press Club was timed to coincide with the committee's 10th annual conference this week, during which several panels will discuss the implications of the poll and formulate programs to promote better understanding and the rights of Asian-Americans. The telephone survey, conducted March 1-14 by Yankelovich Partners in consultation with the Anti-Defamation League and the Martila Communications Group, has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. The main thrust of the study was to explore the public's attitudes toward Chinese-Americans. In addition, the survey tried find out whether attitudes toward Chinese-Americans were largely the same or different from those toward Asian-Americans in general. To that end, 1,002 respondents were asked their opinions about stereotypes of Chinese-Americans, and 214 were asked about identically worded stereotypes of Asian-Americans, according to the study. The answers were nearly identical, suggesting that prejudice against Chinese-Americans is a subset of broader prejudices against Asian-Americans. What's disheartening about all of this is these negative views will continue because they are so tied to the things that really relate to our future -- high technology, trade, U.S.-China relations, political Nakanishi said. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A
[CTRL] Iran boosts Palestinian uprising
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Iran boosts Palestinian uprising Tehran sponsors conference of terror groups -- -- Editor's note: In partnership with Stratfor, the global intelligence company, WorldNetDaily publishes daily updates on international affairs provided by the respected private research and analysis firm. Look for fresh updates each afternoon, Monday through Friday. In addition, WorldNetDaily invites you to consider STRATFOR membership, entitling you to a wealth of international intelligence reports usually available only to top executives, scholars, academic institutions and press agencies. © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com By bringing together leaders this week from Hamas, Hezbollah and the Islamic Jihad, Iran hopes to reassert its role as a sponsor of radical Palestinian and Lebanese opposition groups, reports STRATFOR, the leading global intelligence company. The move, aimed to advance Iran's influence over the Middle East peace process, also provides a momentary respite in the run-up to the Iranian presidential elections. Tehran is aiming first to hinder peace talks over the Palestinian uprising in Israel to demonstrate to the Israelis and others that it can still wield power and influence in the region. By acting as a sponsor and coordinator of the Palestinian opposition, Iran undermines Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's ability to negotiate peace with Israel and, at the same time, improves the effectiveness of militant groups in attacking Israel, according to STRATFOR. This week, Iran hosted a two-day international conference in Tehran to support the Palestinian uprising in Israel. Tehran hopes to isolate Arafat and assume control over the intifada. In fact, while Arafat is working with Egypt and Jordan to resume peace talks, Iran has called for the strengthening of the uprising. But Tehran's efforts could prove to be a double-edged sword in the international community. While publicly forming ties to groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Islamic Jihad will damage Iran's image among some foreign leaders, others will look to Tehran as an influential third party. During the conference, Iranian President Mohammad Khatami stressed the importance of unity among the combatant groups and told those attending that the most important issue in Palestine is strengthening the intifada, Iranian state news agency IRNA reported April 24. By focusing on the problems the Palestinians face, Khatami and Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei also turn the public's attention away from the June 8 presidential elections. Likely to be the next big battle between conservative and reformist factions, Tehran is championing an issue both sides support, which quells the internal conflict for the moment. Since the start of the uprising last September, Iran has not played a leading role in the conflict. But Tehran may be shifting to a more proactive stance. In fact, the agenda of the conference, labeled the International Conference of Support for the Intifada and the Islamic Revolution in Palestine, is to focus those attending on creating a coordinated policy for supporting the Palestinian uprising. Parliamentary representatives from 35 Arab and Islamic nations, as well as leaders from several Palestinian opposition groups -- including the Islamic Resistance Movement known as Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Lebanese Shiite militia Hezbollah -- attended the event. But who was not there may be as important as who was. Palestinian National Authority President Yasser Arafat was noticeably absent. Iran plans to undercut Arafat's efforts toward peace by offering the Palestinians an alternative. Iranian leaders also have suggested calling a referendum among the original inhabitants of Palestine on the country's future, the BBC reported. Sponsoring radical groups opposed to Arafat is a key strategy in achieving this goal. In May 1999, Khatami met several Palestinian opposition leaders in Syria. While in Damascus, Khatami reportedly held talks with former Palestinian National Council Chairman Khaled al-Fahoum; Ahmed Jibril, leader of the People's Front for the Liberation of Palestine, General Command; and the Secretary General of Islamic Jihad, Ramadan Abdullah Shalah. Ironically, during the last few years, Iran had reduced its support of international radical groups. Aimed at attracting foreign investment, Iran cut down on its supply of weapons to groups like Hezbollah and also toned down its rhetoric supporting the radical actions of these groups. But today, Tehran clearly is moving to reverse that trend. Before arms and training can resume, however, Iran must first consolidate its position as leader of the various radical groups. The first step is to develop a coordinated policy among the
[CTRL] CNN's Fake CIA Agent? (O'Reilly Scammed Too??)
CNN's Very Secret Agent: CIA Says Man's Story Is Phony By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, April 26, 2001; Page C01 On Monday, CNN ballyhooed an interview with a "former CIA narcotics officer" -- a guest the network liked so much he was brought back hours later to appear on Greta Van Susteren's talk show. Yesterday, the CIA said that Kenneth Bucchi is an impostor. CNN anchor Joie Chen read a statement to that effect on the air, but the network did not retract the story or apologize. CNN isn't the only network to face embarrassment by Bucchi; Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly interviewed him in January. Bucchi "never worked for the CIA in any capacity, as an employee or a contractor," Bill Harlow, the agency's director of public relations, told The Washington Post. He called Bucchi's claims on CNN that he had been involved with Colombian drug smugglers "utter nonsense" and "complete fiction." Reached yesterday in Los Angeles, where he works as a city personnel officer, Bucchi said he could not prove he worked with the CIA. "I certainly don't know how I can do that," he said. "I don't really give a [expletive] if people think I was in the CIA." In a rambling interview, Bucchi also acknowledged that he was discharged from the Air Force a decade ago after being labeled as delusional. "How do you prove you're not delusional?" he asked. In a statement, CNN said Bucchi was given airtime because of his book, "Operation Pseudo Miranda: A Veteran of the CIA Drug Wars Tells All." Despite several television and radio appearances since the book was first published in 1994, "at no time did the Central Intelligence Agency or any other governmental entity raise publicly a concern with either Mr. Bucchi's employment history or the issues he raises in his book. Based on all of these factors, as well as two pre-interview discussions with him, our Guest Bookings department made the judgment that the experience he claimed with counter-narcotic activities would be useful in a discussion of the recent Peruvian military shootdown of a civilian aircraft. . . . "We have taken the appropriate opportunity to inform our viewers of the CIA's perspective as well as Mr. Bucchi's rebuttal," the statement said. Fox Executive Producer Bill Shine said his network tried to verify Bucchi's claims by phoning the CIA and the State Department -- Bucchi had brought some State documents suggesting that he worked there -- but that neither agency called back. He noted that O'Reilly told viewers that he could not vouch for Bucchi's story. "I wish we had done more checking before we put him on," Shine said. Penmarin Books, a small California publisher, recently issued 5,000 copies of Bucchi's book. Penmarin also published a 1999 book in which Bucchi described his life as a "corporate spy." "We stand behind it," Penmarin President Hal Lockwood said of Bucchi's CIA book. "Before publishing it, we checked out his story." But, he said, "the particulars, nobody can substantiate. The CIA does not leave a paper trail, and plausible deniability is always the rule." The book was praised by director Oliver Stone as "one of the three best non-fictions I've ever read," according to a Penmarin release. On Van Susteren's "The Point" program, Bucchi said, "We basically had a complicit operation -- a quid pro quo, if you will -- with the drug lords of Colombia and essentially, what we did is we put the lion's share of the market in small cash [in] drug lords' hands, and we set up corridors with ILS systems for those drugs to [be] flown in, and then we took half of them." Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) said a moment later: "Ken, I want to thank you for being the clearest voice that I have ever heard coming out of the CIA or any of the related agencies about what is going on in this drug war. Thank you, thank you, thank you!" Van Susteren said last night: "I have a secret agency of the government telling me one thing and a citizen telling me another. I've seen and heard falsehoods from both before. Both the positions are aired on CNN." Bucchi said yesterday that he had been framed by the Air Force during his discharge, and that his superiors had allowed him to work with the CIA in watching drugs surrendered in Colombia be put on helicopters at what he called a "CIA airstrip" in Texas. He said he was never paid by the CIA. Bucchi faxed a 1991 Justice Department letter turning down his Freedom of Information request for records involving him. The letter said the records were "compiled for law enforcement purposes" and that their release "could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings." Howard Kurtz appears on CNN's weekly media program.
[CTRL] Oregon Senate Passes Bill Allowing Wiretapping W/O Warrant
http://oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?o0079_BC_ OR-XGR--PoliceEavesdrnewsornews Senate passes police eavesdropping measure The Associated Press 4/25/01 9:39 PM SALEM, Ore. (AP) -- The Senate unanimously passed a bill Wednesday that would reverse the effects of a court ruling that has barred police from recording conversations by electronic surveillance without a search warrant. The measure, SB654, now goes to the House. The Oregon Supreme Court in December ruled that state laws on eavesdropping require police to get a warrant before using so-called body wires to listen to or record conversations. The tactic most often is used in drug cases. Police say the restriction is a burden because they don't always have time to get warrants as those cases develop. The bill would revise eavesdropping laws to allow warrantless recordings when officers have "probable cause" to believe a drug crime or prostitution was being committed, or that another felony was being committed and that the immediate circumstances made it unreasonable to obtain a court order. Sen. John Minnis, R-Wood Village, a Portland police detective, said the bill would make officers violating the law subject to misdemeanor charges, with penalties of up to a year in jail for convictions.
[CTRL] The EU Takes Principled Stance Re: Israel
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=004861245816144rtmo=VD8wMrMKatmo=rrrq pg=/et/01/4/26/wisr26.html EU prepares to punish Israel over Gaza attacks By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels and Alan Philps in Jerusalem THE European Union is preparing to strip Israel of privileged trade access as a punishment for the use of "excessive force" against the Palestinians. EU diplomats confirmed yesterday that it was now almost certain that the 15 EU foreign ministers would agree to punitive action at a key meeting on May 21, clamping down on Israel's long-standing abuse of Europe's "Rules of Origin" regime. This means Israel will no longer be able to get away with exporting duty-free goods made at Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza as if they were Israeli products. EU sources said the Israeli ambassador in Brussels requested an urgent meeting with Chris Patten, the European external affairs commissioner, in the hope of heading off a rift. If relations continued to deteriorate, it could ultimately lead to the suspension of the EU's Association Agreement with Israel, though there was no support yet among member states for this "nuclear option". Last week, the EU signalled its tough new line by condemning Israel's 24-hour incursion into the Gaza Strip and its attacks on targets in Lebanon as "excessive and disproportionate". Israel had been counting on the traditional influence of Germany and Britain to head off calls by a French-led block for punitive measures, but the government of Ariel Sharon appears to have misjudged the level of dismay in EU capitals over the Israeli military incursion into zones considered sacrosanct under the Oslo Accords. Diplomats in Brussels say Israel's leadership has been slow to recognise the EU's transformation from a trading block to an aspiring superpower. The Amsterdam Treaty, which came into force in 1999, created an embryonic EU foreign and defence ministry under the control of a "High Representative", Javier Solana. At the same time, Commissioner Patten is turning the EU's aid budget, the biggest in the world, into the spearhead of a foreign global policy. The Middle East is a prime target for a demonstration of growing EU influence. Brussels is the largest donor to the Palestinian Authority, spending £110 million a year. A further £390 million is spent annually bolstering peace moves in the four neighbouring states. In Jerusalem, Israeli officials said any punitive action by the EU would be counter-productive if the bloc really wanted to play a significant role in Middle East peace-making. It would only reinforce the perception among Israelis of bias against them.
[CTRL] [radtimes] # 198
-Caveat Lector- [radtimes] # 198 An informally produced compendium of vital irregularities. We're living in rad times! --- Send $$ to RadTimes!! -- (See ** at end.) --- Contents: --One of Chicago Seven still protesting after all these years --One in Six U.S. Children Lives in Poverty --US on alert for smallpox terror attack --America fully brainwashed by cybercrime FUD --Big Brother claims an innocent victim --Dot-Com Refugees Find Welcome in Porn Industry --Summit under cyber siege? --Federal agencies beefing up forces for ADB --Police chief warns of May Day 'bomb threats anarchy' --FBI raids media center --IMC responds re: FBI visit and court gag order --MI5 builds new centre to read e-mails on the net --Feds send extra agents for ADB meet --ACLU sues over rally restrictions --A police state in the making --Arrests follow theft of Quebec Summit security plans === One of Chicago Seven still protesting after all these years http://www.nj.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?f0022_BC_SummitProtests-Dellinnewsnewsflash-financial By DAVID GRAM The Associated Press 4/22/01 QUEBEC (AP) -- Longtime activist David Dellinger hasn't strayed from his radical roots, which include membership in the Chicago Seven. At 85, he's among the most prominent of the tens of thousands of activists protesting talks aimed at establishing the Free Trade Area of the Americas, a common market stretching the length of the Western Hemisphere. I'm against the FTAA, Dellinger said. He says that by giving multinational companies greater leeway to move jobs, goods and services across borders, and by restricting regulatory powers of participating governments, the trade agreement would worsen what he has long seen as the excesses of capitalism. Three percent of the richest people in the world control more wealth than 49 undeveloped countries, he said. I think the FTAA is going to extend that kind of system. Dellinger got up at 2:45 a.m. Saturday at his home in Montpelier, Vt., and hitched a ride in a van headed to the summit demonstrations in Quebec City. Along the way, he visited the makeshift office of the Vermont Mobilization for Global Justice at Derby Line, Vt., 100 hundred yards from the Canadian border. Then he and his companions joined labor, human rights and environmental activists from around New England, lining up at the Stanstead border station to see if they would be admitted into Canada. Dellinger ultimately was allowed to cross the border, but he had known his prospects were uncertain because Canadian customs officials were turning back people with arrest records. A pacifist and leftist activist his entire adult life, Dellinger says he's never kept track of the times he's been arrested for acts of civil disobedience. His most famous brush with the law came at the 1968 Democratic National Convention when he was among a group including the late Abbie Hoffman, who were arrested for allegedly starting a riot outside the convention center. The group, who became known as the Chicago Seven, were convicted in 1969 but and later cleared by an appeals court. More than 800 activists approached the border station in an eight-hour period Saturday morning as Canadian authorities took IDs and ran computer checks, interrogated people and had a Labrador retriever sniff vehicles and luggage for drugs, guns and explosives. Fewer than 30 were turned back. === One in Six U.S. Children Lives in Poverty By Sue Pleming WASHINGTON (Reuters) - One in six children in America lives in poverty and poor and middle-income families are finding it harder to make ends meet, according to a report released on Thursday. The Children's Defense Fund annual ``green book'' on the state of America's children, said government poverty figures for 1999 showed over 12 million of America's children lived below the federal poverty level of $13,290 a year for a three-person family. ``It's time, it's time to build a mighty movement for children in the richest and most powerful nation on Earth,'' said Marian Wright Edelman, founder of the Children's Defense Fund, a non-profit pressure group. The U.S. child poverty rate is roughly twice as high as the rates in Canada and Germany, the report said, and at least six times higher than France, Belgium or Austria. In an era of unparalleled prosperity, the fund said so many children lived in poverty because of their parents' low-paying jobs, more single-parent families and a lack of strong government support for low and moderate-income families. ``Parents are in the work force but are not able to earn enough to lift them out of poverty. We need to get people into
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June
From: Amelia Tisk, tisk! Just this week we heard how self-taught June was on using thecomputer, implying fools like myself and Aleisha should do the same. Afterbeing banned for life, etc. Well, I do not know many 'self-taught'professionals. Actually, there are quite a few in the PC/Internet world... But my professional computer career was in mainframe and mini systems, not desktops. But then, you're too stupid to understand the difference. June _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[CTRL] The Madness Of The F-22 Fighter
http://www.counterpunch.org/ April 26, 2001 The Madness of the F-22 Fighter Tiffany's on wings. That's how one senate aide refers to the Pentagon and its contractor's latest dream weapon: the F-22. "It's showy, unimaginably expensive, fragile and utterly useless", the aide tells us. "But there's no stopping it." The F-22, known to its press agents as the "Raptor", has been on the drawing board since 1981, at which time the Air Force announced that it wanted a generation of new tactical fighter planes to replace the F-15. In 1986, Lockheed was picked to lead the development of this plane, then known as the Advanced Tactical Fighter. Across the next 15 years, billions of dollars have been poured into the project with little to show for it. Indeed, the F-22 has enjoyed the longest coming out party of any plane in the history of the Pentagon. And, according to Pentagon analysts, it's still nowhere near ready to go into production. Indeed, some argue that the plane, designed to attack an enemy that no longer exists, is already obsolete, both technologically and strategically. But don't expect these trifling details to stand in the way of the Pentagon, Air Force brass, Lockheed and the F-22's two other prime contractors, Pratt/Whitney and Boeing. These parties are now rushing to put the troubled plane into what's called "initial low rate production" at a date as close as March 30 of this year. Unless the Bush administration intervenes, the Air Force will be saddled with at least 10 of these technological relics and billions more will flow into the coffers of the contractors. Along with the V-22 Osprey, the F-22 presents a case study for the Pentagon's procurement pathology: call it the buy-before- you-fly syndrome. "One of the oldest tricks is putting off testing until production has begun," says Danielle Brian, director of the Project on Government Oversight. "As a result, the contractor gets paid twice: once to make a flawed system and once to fix it." Even by historical standards the escalation in the price-tag for the F-22 has been jaw-dropping. Originally, the Air Force said it was going to purchase 880 planes for around $40 billion. Within a few months, the price doubled to $80 billion. In 1991, the Pentagon's Selected Acquisitions Review looked at the F-22 and decided that fewer planes should be built, scaling the order down to 680 planes for $64.2 billion. Then the 1997 Quadrennial Defense Review cut the number of planes even further: 339 aircraft for the same price. The $35 million fighter has now turned into a $190 million plane, four times the cost of an F-15. But that's not all. When the GAO looked at the mounting cost overruns, they estimated that the $64.2 billion cap would only enable the Pentagon to buy 254 planes, 630 hundred fewer than originally advertised. Rep. John Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat, is even more circumspect. He predicts that only 150 fighters will be bought. In other words, the planes could cost as much as $350 million apiece. None of this troubles Lockheed, as long as the entire $64.2 billion is spent. Indeed, the fewer "limited edition" F-22s Lockheed unloads on the Pentagon, the more "copies" it will sell to Israel, Germany, Chile and Indonesia. But what has all that money bought? Not much when compared to the F-15 and F-16. Even the Pentagon's top testing officer disagrees with the performance status of the F-22. In a December 20, 2000, memo to the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics, Phillip Coyle, director of Operational Testing and Evaluation for the Pentagon, concluded that the problems with the F-22 were so overwhelming that a decision on putting the plane into production should be delayed indefinitely. Coyle's memo discloses a litany of problems with the plane, ranging from testing delays, cost overruns, mechanical failures, and serious problems with the avionics system. Coyle warned that the plane couldn't begin operational testing by August 2002 without encountering "unacceptable risks". The F-22 hasn't proved all that safe to fly either. In one of its first test flights, the F-22 began to wobble uncontrollably as it attempted to land, finally smacking into the runway without landing gear, then skidding for 8,000 feet before it caught fire and partially burned. The third test flight was cancelled because the hydraulic gearing didn't work. In March of last year, the Air Force was forced to suspend test flights for six weeks after a review found problems with the plane's brakes, landing gear, environmental control systems, avionics software, missile launch detector, plus cracks in the cockpit canopy. The Air Force touts the F-22's supposed stealth capabilities as a point of superiority compared with the aging but durable F-15. But the F-22 hasn't proved to be all that invisible, after all. From one discreet angle, the F-22 slips past radar screens. But from other apertures and latitudes, the plane, in the
Re: [CTRL] Sweet Donna aka Revcoal
-Caveat Lector- Well! I don't think anything will leave Kris's list in shambles. It's a mighty good list and somewhat entertaining (to me) trying to figure out why Mr. Socialist loathes Ms. Royalty who loathes Ms. Slut whom cannot abide Mr. Anarchist who is above the fray and just study! study! study! Kelly A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sweet Donna aka Revcoal
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/26/01 4:58:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well! I don't think anything will leave Kris's list in shambles. It's a mighty good list and somewhat entertaining (to me) trying to figure out why Mr. Socialist loathes Ms. Royalty who loathes Ms. Slut whom cannot abide Mr. Anarchist who is above the fray and just study! study! study! Kelly Yes, it does have its humour, . . . though not always enjoyable. And does present one with some fairly typical reponses and views that helps to remind one of the picture and forces at work. But then its personal inaneity jades one into non-communication, yea perchance avoidance. Om k A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- From: Aleisha Saba Forsooth: June aka Revcoal Hotpants aka Donna Logan terrifies other list members and threatens to leave a list in shambles... For a look at someone who terrifies this list and leaves it in shambles every day, you have no further to go than your own mirror. It is curious how you can waste bandwidth on a conspiracy research list with your pointless tirades which seem orchestrated to achieve nothing but flamewars. What is even curiouser is WHY you do so. It is also interesting how you expend such an inordinate amount of energy upon a handful of people to this list whom, I am sure, don't spend a fraction of the time or emotional energy towards you. Your campaign of terror against certain listmembers borders on stalking, and suggests a psychotic breakdown. h.h.p. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ECHELON spyware plug-ins: Oasis FLUENT
-Caveat Lector- ECHELON spyware plug-ins: Oasis FLUENT GILC Alert Volume 5, Issue 2 March 29, 2001 A global surveillance network may be getting even more powerful than before. United States intelligence officials have released some information regarding two new programs. One of these programs, Oasis, automatically creates machine-readable transcripts from television and audio broadcasts. Reports indicate that Oasis can also distinguish individual speakers and detect personal characteristics (such as gender) then denote these characteristics in the transcripts it creates. At least one division of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) already operates Oasis, and there are plans to expand the program's use over the course of this year, as well as develop Chinese and Arabic versions. The other program, FLUENT, allows English-language keyword searches of non-English materials. This data mining tool not only finds pertinent documents, but also translates them, although the number of languages that can currently be translated is apparently limited (Russian, Chinese, Portuguese, Serbo-Croatian, Korean and Ukrainian). In addition, FLUENT displays the frequency with which a given word is used in a document and can handle alternate search term spellings. Many experts note that this new software may be used to upgrade the massive surveillance system, popularly known as ECHELON. ECHELON is designed to intercept communications from around the world, and is reportedly operated by the United States National Security Agency in conjunction with several other intelligence agencies. It is supposed to be capable of intercepting e-mail messages, faxes, and telephone conversations. Concerns about ECHELON's potential threat to individual privacy were heightened by a Congressional hearing several months ago, where the directors of both the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and NSA refused to provide details on the legal standards by which ECHELON operates. See Vernon Loeb, Making Sense of the Deluge of Data, Washington Post, Mar. 26, 2001, page A23 at http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57318-2001Mar25.html Read Tabassum Zakaria, CIA using data mining to keep smart, Reuters, Mar. 3, 2001 at http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2692457,00.html See also Thomas C. Greene, CIA patching ECHELON shortcomings, The Register (UK), Mar. 6, 2001 at http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/17361.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sweet Donna aka Revcoal
-Caveat Lector- Kelly wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well! I don't think anything will leave Kris's list in shambles. It's a mighty good list and somewhat entertaining (to me) trying to figure out why Mr. Socialist loathes Ms. Royalty who loathes Ms. Slut whom cannot abide Mr. Anarchist who is above the fray and just study! study! study! Kelly It sure beats the Soaps doesn't it? And sometimes you can even learn something new. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Democracy Trampled in QuebecCity
-Caveat Lector- Thanks for sharing this. I am s glad people are getting to see what is REALLY going on. On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:26:07 EDT Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Is this a prelude to regional war? Iran Boosts Palestinian Uprising
-Caveat Lector- From Stratfor = Iran Boosts Palestinian Uprising 26 April 2001 To reassert its importance in the Middle East, Iran is moving to revive its role as a sponsor for Palestinian and Lebanese radical groups. Tehran aims to hinder peace talks over the Palestinian uprising in Israel to demonstrate to Israelis and others that it still wields power and influence in the region. As a sponsor and coordinator of the Palestinian opposition, Iran undermines Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's ability to negotiate peace with Israel, while Tehran improves the effectiveness of militant groups in attacking Israel. This week, Iran hosted a two-day international conference in Tehran to support the Palestinian uprising in Israel. Tehran hopes to isolate Arafat and assume control over the intifada. In fact, while Arafat works with Egypt and Jordan to resume peace talks, Iran has called for strengthening the uprising. While publicly forming ties to groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Islamic Jihad, Tehran's efforts will damage Iran's image among some foreign leaders, others will look to Tehran as an influential third party. During the conference, Iranian President Mohammad Khatami stressed the importance of unity among combatant groups and told those attending that the most important issue in Palestine is strengthening the Intifada, Iranian state news agency IRNA reported April 24. A Palestinian youth throws stones at Israeli soldiers during clashes Feb. 9. By focusing on problems the Palestinians face, Khatami and Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei also turn the public's attention away from the June 8 presidential elections. Likely to be the next big battle between conservative and reformist factions, Parliamentary representatives from 35 Arab and Islamic nations and leaders from several Palestinian opposition groups attended the conference. Palestinian National Authority President Yasser Arafat was noticeably absent. Iran plans to undercut Arafat's efforts toward peace by offering the Palestinians an alternative. Iranian leaders also have suggested calling a referendum among the original inhabitants of Palestine on the country's future, the BBC reported April 24. Sponsoring radical groups opposed to Arafat is a key strategy in achieving this goal. In May 1999, Khatami met several Palestinian opposition leaders in Syria, reportedly holding talks with former Palestinian National Council Chairman Khaled al-Fahoum; Ahmed Jibril, leader of the People's Front for the Liberation of Palestine, General Command; and Secretary General of Islamic Jihad Ramadan Abdullah Shalah. Ironically, during the last few years, Iran had reduced its support of international radical groups. Aimed at attracting foreign investment, Iran cut down its supply of weapons to groups like Hezbollah and toned down rhetoric supporting these groups. But today, Tehran is moving to reverse that trend. Before arms and training can resume, however, Iran must first consolidate its position as leader of the various radical groups and develop a coordinated policy among the groups. Now is an opportune time for Iran to make such a move since Arafat's ability to control the violence in the territories has come into question. Even Israel divides on the issue. Israeli Military Intelligence argues Arafat is in complete control over the violence, while Israel's Shin Bet argues the Palestinian leader has lost control and receives direction from Palestinian security officials, the Israeli daily Ha'aretz reported April 23. By holding the Palestinian summit, Iran probably aims to capitalize on Arafat's declining credibility and bolster his opponents' credibility. Iran's leaders met with many of Arafat's staunchest rivals. It did not take long to measure the impact of the Tehran meetings. Israel already is accusing Iran of supporting radical groups. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon claimed Tehran was building a rocket base in Lebanon that could mount attacks against Israel. Hamid Reza-Assefi, a spokesman for the Iranian Foreign Ministry, denied Sharon's claims, according to a report from Agence France-Presse. Tehran probably will support escalating violence by these groups in Israel, then quickly bring it to a halt. Turning the attacks on and off like a spigot is necessary to demonstrate Tehran's influence. This will spur Arafat and Sharon to counter Iranian influence. Already, Sharon has softened his stance toward Arafat, and Israel is reportedly considering the Egyptian-Jordanian peace plan. Neither Israel nor Arafat wants Tehran to bolster militant groups. In response, the two may find it necessary to work together to prevent it. === Are you new to STRATFOR? Sign up today to receive this free newsletter! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are
[CTRL] Does Democracy Promote Peace?
-Caveat Lector- ~~for educational purposes only~~ [Title 17 U.S.C. section 107] Does Democracy Promote Peace? By James Ostrowski Does democracy promote peace? We are told continually that it does. Let's compare the rhetoric to the reality. Not to be confused with a republic, a democracy is a system in which, theoretically, what the majority says goes. The reality, however, is more complex and much uglier. In a democracy, various political elites struggle for control of the state apparatus by appealing to the material interests of large voting blocks with promises of legalized graft. Thus, we may modify our definition of democracy to mean a system in which our rulers are chosen by a majority of those who bother to show up on election day, exclusive of those who lack the minimal mental skills required to cast a lawful ballot. In modern democracies, individuals allegedly retain certain rights that cannot be overridden by the majority. Who defines and enforces those rights? Officials chosen by the majority. So much for individual rights in a democracy. Probably the most salient feature of modern democracy is the bizarre notion that whatever the majority says constitutes sublime moral principle. In truth, democracy is nothing more than the numerous bullying the less numerous. It is an elaborate rationalization for the strong in numbers to impose their will on the electorally weak by means of centralized state coercion. What a formula for peace! If democratic states can impose their will on their own minority populations, why not impose their will on other countries, states, and peoples, particularly if they are not democratic? Strange it is, though, that pugnacious democrats always forget the principle of majority rule when war comes. They have never sought the prior consent of the majority of the inhabitants of the nations they seek to conquer, subdue, and rule. Modern democracies tend to extensively intervene in the free market by means of high taxes, welfare, and subsidies in order to buy the votes that keep the politicians in power. As Ludwig von Mises demonstrated, each intervention into the economy causes problems that lead to the demand for ever further interventions. Government thereby creates its own demand. Eventually, the economic problems become intractable, leading to the inevitable temptation to create a foreign policy distraction. Combine that with the fact that war, while undeniably harming the economy, gives the appearance of stimulating the economy, and we have a formula for why democratic governments would have a motive for war. Any similarities between this discussion and FDR's desperate bid to get us into World War Part II is purely intentional. Democracies also have the means to fight wars. Analysts of war spend too much time thinking about why wars are fought and far too little time contemplating the means of war. The resources for war are acquired by conscription, taxation, confiscation, and inflation. Without cannon and cannon fodder, there are no wars. With their aura of legitimacy, democracies are particularly adept at utilizing all these means. Since citizens tend to identify with the democratic state, there is usually little trouble conscripting troops and confiscating the economic resources required for war. True, democracies rarely fight each other. That's like saying that seven-foot-tall men rarely fight each other. There just haven't been that many democracies around in the last 150 years, and, furthermore, six of them are English-speaking countries. What are they going to fight about-their accents? Democracies do, however, like to fight non-democracies. They did so in World War Parts I and II. Suppose they gave a war and the democracies didn't show up. But, you may say, the non-democracies started all these wars. Really? The United States was looking for any excuse to get into World War Part I-against Germany. Examination of the international law quagmire that led to American involvement in World War Part I leads me to conclude that the United States had four options: declare war on Germany, declare war on England, declare war on both, or mind its own business. Democracies, however, do not seem to mind their own business. What is clear is that the scope of American involvement in that war far exceeded anything justified by the alleged cause of that involvement: German attacks on American shipping in the North Atlantic. The United States has always seemed to get attacked just when its leaders were plotting to drag the nation into war by any means possible-Fort Sumter, Remember the Maine, the Lusitania, etc. What a relief; we got attacked. What about Japan and Pearl Harbor? It seems our mind-our-own-business democracy wanted Japan out of China. Our leaders wanted China in the hands of the mass murderer Chiang or the megamurderer Mao. An oil embargo was imposed on a country that had no oil. Thus, the United States provoked Japan into starting a war. That does not
[CTRL] Could the CIA Be Bringing Drugs Into the USA?
-Caveat Lector- Could the CIA Be Bringing Drugs Into the USA? John LeBoutillier Thursday, April 26, 2001 Yesterday's column asking why the CIA is so involved with drug interdiction - in light of the terrible tragedy down in Peru - hit a massive chord with readers. E-mailed responses indicate widespread cynicism about The Agency. I have been organizing my thoughts about the CIA - and remembering several stories that raise troubling questions: 1) Is the CIA's involvement in the drug interdiction program merely to augment or supplement our own DEA and military? Or is there a more nefarious link? 2) Is the CIA merely trying to protect its budgetary situation by sticking its nose into others' turf? Or is there another motive? 3) Is the CIA an innocent victim of its own secrecy? Why are there so many stories of CIA involvement in running drugs into this country? You may recall that just a few years ago charges were leveled at the CIA out in Los Angeles. It was alleged that far from trying to keep drugs out of the country, the CIA was actually running drugs into our country! The black community in Los Angeles was up in arms over these charges. Seeing the gang wars, the drug killings and the disintegration of their community - all caused by drugs - these citizens believed the CIA was an active participant in the importation and distribution of drugs! So convinced were the LA residents that the then-CIA director, John Deutch, I believe, flew out to LA and held an unprecedented town meeting in which he repeatedly denied CIA involvement. Cynics would merely laugh at his denial. Either he did not personally know of CIA's drug involvement (dirty underlings would not tell a 'temporary political appointee' and disrupt their gravy train) or lying is a prerequisite for the job. Those who served in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War swear that indeed the CIA actively participated in drug running as an off-the-books way to finance the secret war in Laos. And, two decades later, similar charges flew that the CIA used the same playbook in Central America to finance our support for the Contras in Nicaragua during a time when Congress refused to fund that effort. Six weeks ago here I quoted various newspapers from the mid-1980s that carried the charge by Burmese Drug War Lord Kun Sa against longtime CIA employee Richard Armitage - by name - that Armitage was directly involved in the drug trade and in importing the drugs into the U.S. Armitage has always denied these reports. Still, he is the only U.S. government employee I have ever heard of who was specifically fingered by name in a drug charge. Despite these serious charges - and with no investigation whatsoever - the US Senate last month confirmed Armitage as deputy secretary of state. Makes you wonder how serious Washington really is about the War on Drugs, doesn't it? Which brings me to a story I heard several years ago from a good friend of mine. His father was a doctor in Delaware and one of his patients was the base commander at Dover Air Force Base in Dover, Delaware. One night - around 3:00 a.m. - the commander was awakened by a phone call from the control tower at the base: Sir, you told me to call you the next time this happened. Well, they just called and we flipped the runway lights on. They're landing in a minute or so. The they was allegedly the CIA, which had ordered the 'closed at night' runway to be illuminated while an unmarked CIA transport plane quickly landed in the middle of the night, then taxied to the far end of the runway and was secretly unloaded by a convoy of trucks. The base commander - an Air Force general - to this day is certain that this - and other previous landings - was a CIA drug flight to illegally bring massive amounts of illegal narcotics into the country. Could such a diabolical plot be true? Could our own government - which rails against drugs at every turn - actually be involved in the drug business? Well, one thing we do know is that despite all the talk by Washington, there seems to be no stopping the drugs from coming into our country. You have to wonder what the CIA, the DEA and the U.S. military are doing if they cannot stop or even make an appreciable dent in this tidal wave of drugs. Home · Contact Us · Financial News · Late Night Jokes · Article Archives · Employment Ops. All Rights Reserved © NewsMax.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to
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-Caveat Lector- Au contraire, Hot Pants (June)! Aleisha has not wasted a fraction of the bandwidth that the Rev. Coal June has wasted on Aleisha. Check the archives for the Queen of Name-Calling, June and compare. This is but a drop in the bucket compared to the copious amount of time and energy exerted whining about Aleisha. One cannot expect other posters to tolerate the constant lies and name-calling from this individual in complete silence forever. Those of us subjected to repeated unprovoked attacks from June only encourage her by ignoring her and remaining silent. The poor thing takes this as some sort of victory and redoubles her viciousness. The only way to deal with a delusional individual such as this is to confront her delusions. Having been the subject of her lies myself, I completely sympathize with Aleisha. And once she has been caught in her lies, she always wants to suddenly drop the subject. Up until that point, nothing would divert her from her target. She will go on and on and on ad nauseum until she has exhausted her bleak imagination of fabrications about her target. So do not worry about this particular subject as she has heaped this upon her own head. Amelia - Original Message - From: Hot Pants [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: [CTRL] -Caveat Lector- From: Aleisha Saba Forsooth: June aka Revcoal Hotpants aka Donna Logan terrifies other list members and threatens to leave a list in shambles... For a look at someone who terrifies this list and leaves it in shambles every day, you have no further to go than your own mirror. It is curious how you can waste bandwidth on a conspiracy research list with your pointless tirades which seem orchestrated to achieve nothing but flamewars. What is even curiouser is WHY you do so. It is also interesting how you expend such an inordinate amount of energy upon a handful of people to this list whom, I am sure, don't spend a fraction of the time or emotional energy towards you. Your campaign of terror against certain listmembers borders on stalking, and suggests a psychotic breakdown. h.h.p. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Powell blames Holywood for drug problem!
This must take the cake. Worried about Holywood demand, but not about the supply line...Now, Mr. Powell, you know better than that.you have read the Hitz report, haven't you?? David Goldman Friday, April 27 4:13 AM SGT Downey's ilk responsible for Colombian drug problem: Powell WASHINGTON, April 26 (AFP) - Wealthy American drug users are a main cause of the cocaine scourge ravaging Colombia and other Latin American countries, US Secretary of State Colin Powell said Thursday, pointing the finger directly at celebrities like Robert Downey Jr. Powell, testifying before a congressional panel, said the main reason Andean nations faced difficulties in curtailing the production of narcotics, particularly cocaine, was the huge demand for drugs in the United States. The real problem in the region is not caused by the region, it is caused by what happens on the streets of New York, the streets of all our other major cities, Powell told a House of Representatives budget subcommittee. And it is not just a poor kid's problem, a poor kid taking pot on the street corner, it's corporate lawyers, it's actors who over and over and over again continue to use drugs in an unlawful way, he said. Though Powell did not mention the troubled Downey by name, his comment about performers who repeatedly take drugs was a clear reference to the actor who was arrested earlier this week in Los Angeles, in the latest of his ongoing problems with drugs and the law dating back five years. Downey, 36, was arrested early Tuesday by a police officer who saw him in an alley dazed and apparently on drugs. He was issued a citation to appear in court on May 4 before being released and checking himself into a rehabilitation clinic. He already faced an April 30 court hearing to determine if there is enough evidence for him to stand trial on drug charges stemming from a November 25 arrest on felony counts of cocaine and diazepam. Downey was released last August from Corcoran State Prison in Central California, where he had been incarcerated for about a year after violating probation on several drug and weapons arrests dating to 1996. Powell, speaking to the lawmakers about US plans to fund counter-narcotics efforts in Colombia, Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador, said the multi-billion dollar program would never be completely effective unless the demand, as demonstrated by his examples, was eliminated. That's what's causing the problem in Colombia and in the other nations of the Andean region and so we have to not only go after supply and interdiction, we also have to make sure we're dealing with the demand and treatment side of this terrible problem, Powell said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR=#99ClubMom is the first free organization dedicated to rewarding and celebrating Moms! Join today - it's free - and get your chance to win in our $5,000 Family Vacation Sweepstakes! /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/Cb4mCA/TFaCAA/tvCFAA/xrOVlB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -_- Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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-Caveat Lector- Well let's have one for the dog catcher's daughter..was wrong, not coal miner's daughter. Goodbye Hot Pants - there goes another aka. When I was a kid we hated the dog catcher. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Feds warn of May Day attacks on U.S. Web sites
-Caveat Lector- Feds warn of May Day attacks on U.S. Web sites April 26, 2001 Web posted at: 8:29 PM EDT (0029 GMT) (CNN) -- Federal authorities warn that U.S. Web sites and e-mail servers are coming under an increasing number of attacks and that the malicious hacking could escalate in the next few days because of upcoming memorial days in China. The recent tension between the United States and China was cited by the National Infrastructure Protection Center when it issued the warning Thursday. The NIPC Web site also said Chinese hackers have publicly discussed stepping up their efforts from April 30 through May 7. That time period includes dates of historic significance to the People's Republic of China. Key dates: Here are dates of significance to China that authorities warn might see an increase in hacking efforts: . May 1 -- May Day, an international labor holiday. . May 4 -- Youth Day, commemorates 1919 student demonstration against foreign aggression. . May 7 -- Anniversary of accidental NATO bombing of Chinese embassy in Belgrade, Yugoslavia. The agency warned networks and system administrators to closely monitor their Web sites and mail services during that period. 'Lion' worm linked to China Federal investigators have linked an Internet worm named Lion to China. The worm is infecting computers and installing denial of service tools on various systems. The worm sends password files from the victim site to an e-mail address located in China, authorities said. Some of the attacks earlier this month on U.S. sites were apparently sparked by the United States spy plane crisis in China. Hackers have showered U.S. government and business Web sites with eulogies for the downed Chinese fighter pilot, denouncements of imperialism and crude references. One of the attack victims said that vandalism appeared to have originated in China. We discovered that the home page on one of our sites had been replaced with a posting of a Chinese flag with some rhetoric in Chinese and English, said Dan Olasin, president of Intelligent Direct. The map-selling company uses the Dell Computers site-hosting service, which helped trace the hackers to Internet Protocol (IP) addresses in China, Olasin said. Intelligent Direct has since solved the problem by having Dell rebuild its server. Hacker Union of China Hackers identifying themselves as members of the Hacker Union of China took credit for at least one attack. The defaced site was that of Iplexmarin.com, based in California. The site was covered in Chinese flags, political slogans in Chinese and English and photographs of the missing Chinese pilot Wang Wei. Wang crashed and presumably died after his fighter jet collided with a U.S. spy plane off the coast of China on April 1. As we are Chinese, we love our motherland and its people deeply. We are so indignant about the intrusion from the imperialism. The only thing we could say is that, when we are needed, we are ready to devote anything to our motherland, even including our lives, the posting read. A Web page hosting the Hackers Union of China posted a list of 10 Web sites hacked in memory of the missing pilot. The Hackers Union refers to itself an a network security organization on its Web site, cnhonker.com. According to a Washington Post report, other targeted sites included two maintained by the U.S. Navy, although neither was militarily critical. related sites about Science and Technology A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Response to the Christian June
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So June still up to your old tricks; just another list below where you
showed your nastiness.so you were not the coal miner's daugher at
that for you were the dog catcher's daughter.
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:13:37 -0500 (EST)
On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, BlackKat wrote:
So keep spouting off...you amply display your ignorance of the
matter.
I, for one, have had enough of this. We try to keep flames and
nastiness off this list, June. Please adhere to the rules. Or take it
offlist..
So those who decide to insult my parents are free to continue
unhindered?
June
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