[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] MILLIONS OF SHARES SOLD ON EVE OF DISASTER
Mike, I am finding sound evidence supporting several contrary conclusions. The things that support the Bin Ladin theory: 1) The assassination of Bin Ladin's rival 2 days before the WTC. This timing looks suspicious. 2) The stock purchases of Bin Ladin. This tooked to me like the typical evidence laid out to convict in the minds of the public and it would not surprise me in the least if the outlet for such planted evidence would be the Mellon Scaife network. Your own sources seem from what you have written to support this contention. It is important to know who these sources are. The things that do not seem to support the Bin Ladin conclusion are: 1) The PENTAGON plane that took the extra danger to bank to an insignificant section of the PENTAGON to spare the JOINT CHIEFS. That does not seem to be what real terrorists would do. 2) Planted evidence like the passport of one of the WTC pilots that was found on the street below. That reminds me of the magic bullet that was found on the streacher at PARKLAND HOSPITAL. 3) Why would the terrorists leave a rented car at LOGAN with flight training manuals in Arabic? This looks planted. 4) Why would the terrorists use their own IDs? If they could use military secure phones and find the codes for the president's SECRET SERVICE detail how come they did not use doctored IDs? No one claimed credit for the attack. Why would these guys leave a trail? Brian Mike Ruppert wrote: Damn! I just finished writing my story on this today! Drudged again. -Original Message- From: daniel hopsicker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[CIA-DRUGS] drudge: MILLIONS OF SHARES SOLD ON EVE OF DISASTER on the eve of the bay of pigs, allan dulles et al were shorting sugar. if you work for richard mellon scaife, a sense of history is--almost by definition--superfluous. CIA PROBE: MILLIONS OF SHARES SOLD ON EVE OF DISASTER; DID BIN LADEN PULL OFF THE SICKEST SHARE DEAL EVER? DAILY MAIL 09/18/01 The CIA has asked the City regulators in London to investigate suspicious sales of millions of shares before last Tuesday's attacks in America in the belief that the paper trail will lead to the terrorists. MORE Osama Bin Laden could have pulled off a sick financial coup shortly before the attacks that devastated America. Britain's City watchdog, the Financial Services Authority, has launched an inquiry into unusual share price movements in London before last week's atrocities. Other investigations have been launched in the U.S., Germany, Japan and Italy. The authorities fear that the Saudi-born multi- millionaire's followers might have used a technique known as 'short selling' shares in commodities such as insurance companies, airlines and tourism which they knew would plunge after the attack. Short selling involves borrowing shares from a broker, then selling them. You use the money raised to buy the shares when the price has gone down, give them to the broker and pocket the difference. So if you sold a million shares at GBP 8 each, and they then went down to GBP 5, you could make a quick GBP 3million less the broker's fees and commission. 'It would be a particularly ghoulish kind of insider dealing,' said one source. 'But if we find anyone profiteering out of the tragedy it could be a good lead for the investigation into exactly who is responsible.' The authorities are also looking for any unusual buying activity in sectors likely to go up, such as building or arms manufacturers. Germany's security watchdog has launched an inquiry into 'suspect' share price movements in the run-up to the atrocities. It is expected to home in on Munich Re, the world's biggest reinsurer, which lost 13 per cent of its value in the week before the attacks. Fellow reinsurer Swiss Re and the French insurance giant Axa also suffered price falls before the outrage. In cases of widespread short selling, the brokers start to follow the trend to cover themselves and this can force the market down. U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill said: 'We are going to track down every terrorist and confiscate their money wherever it is in the world. 'And I think we'll have the co-operation of every financial institution in every civilised society. 'We're going to shut these people down.' A similar investigation is under way in Japan, where it is believed to be focusing on dealings in futures contracts. In the futures market, investors bet on the future price of shares or commodities and can make enormous gains if their gambles prove correct. Bin Laden comes from a wealthy Saudi business family and is believed to have financial tentacles reaching across the globe. He is reported to have used a Milan brokerage to invest in European stock markets. The Swiss authorities are also looking closely at his links with their country's
[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Physical demand will break manipulation on Comex
'MIDAS' COMMENTARY FOR SEPTEMBER 18, 2001 COPYRIGHT 2001, WWW.LEMETROPOLECAFE.COM By Bill Murphy www.LeMetropoleCafe.com September 18, 2001 Gold $286.50 down 95 cents Silver $4.43 up 6 cents The drama behind the scenes in the gold market has never been more intense. The reckless behavior of the Gold Cartel to continue to suppress the price of gold, after the world completely changed a week ago, is not only insidious and criminal -- it is going to go down as one of the most foolish and irresponsible financial maneuvers of all time. This is how I see what is going on here. For the second day in a row, the goons have sold down gold on the Comex after strong fixes in London. Yesterday's PM fix was $293.25. Today it was $289.40. The daily trading charts in New York are practically identical. Right after the PM fixes, the likes of J.P. Morgan Chase and Goldman Sachs slam gold and the longs on Comex. There is a reason for that. Serious physical buyers who want to buy gold in size do so at the London fixes. That is because that is where the big sellers are too, and large gold buyers can conduct business without running the price up too much. The Gold Cartel waits until that business is finished, so as not to take on the buyers, and then tries to break down the gold price at the vulnerable Comex. It could not be more obvious what the desperado cabal is doing. But I don't think it is going to work this time. * Demand for physical gold right now is soaring all over the world and physical gold is hard to buy. Coin dealer after coin dealer tells me the same thing. Even if the coin dealers can get gold for you, the price is way above that quoted on Comex. A friend of mine paid $301 for Kruggerands today, which is down from $306 yesterday. The comment is always the same if you want to buy: Forget the Comex price; the real gold world price is higher than on Comex. * The terrorist attacks on U.S. soil have changed everything in terms of the notion of what a safe haven is. That is not going to change anytime soon. Investors all over the world are turning to gold again. The problem for the central banks and bullion banks is that they have about 14,000 tonnes of it lent out and can't get it back without driving the price many hundreds of dollars per ounce higher. They are in sheer panic that another Washington Agreement kind of surprise is upon them. But this one is 10 times worse. Herve Fervani, one of the senior executives at the Banque de France, has repeatedly warned other bankers about lending gold out for such little interest income, because he said in the end they might not get their gold back. Defaults of that nature could be right around the corner. Cafe members know all about that drill so I shall not go there again. Too many new goodies to go over. Take a gander at excerpts from this Bloomberg story: * * * U.S. Terrorist Attack Prompts Many Asians to Buy Gold Jewelry By Rajat Bhattacharya Bangkok, Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Consumers in Thailand, India and some other Asian countries reacted to the terrorist attacks in the United States by heading for the jewelry store to buy gold, retailers said. Buyers in Thailand, where gold demand dropped by half in the last five years, led a return to the precious metal as a haven for investment after terrorists destroyed New York's World Trade Center a week ago, sending stock prices tumbling. Asia purchases more than half of the world's gold each year and Thailand is the second-biggest gold buyer in Southeast Asia after Indonesia. We saw people storming into our stores to buy gold, said Jitti Tangsithpakdi, president of goldsmiths Chin Hua Heng and president of the Thai Gold Traders' Association. Last Wednesday, traders sold as much gold jewelry as they did in an average month this year, he said In India, the largest gold buyer, sales also increased. My sales have gone up 25 to 30 percent, said Pratip Zaveri, director at Tribhovandas Bhimji Zaveri, India's biggest jewelry retailer. The rising prices lured some people to buy gold as a investment, he said. They've seen prices moving up again after a long time. India makes more than one-fifth of all gold jewelry and exports more than $8 billion worth each year. With interest rates so low, and stock markets down, gold remains the best investment, said Jitti. Other investments are simply not that interesting. Thailand's benchmark stock index has lost two-thirds of its value in the past five years. In China, the second-biggest gold user in Asia, consumer demand may also be boosted by deregulation of the market. The price of gold, which was freed from government control in July, has risen 6 percent in the past week, to 90 yuan a gram. Gold is great because it appreciates in value and is a good store for value, said Meng Fanqiang, 32, who bought a 1,700 yuan ($205) bracelet for his wife from Ming Pai
[CTRL] Government Has Power To Curb Some Freedoms
-Caveat Lector- September 19, 2001 Government Has Power To Curb Some Freedoms By WILLIAM GLABERSON The New York Times The Constitution does not give the government sweeping emergency powers to limit civil liberties. But legal experts say the courts have effectively ceded to the government vast powers to limit many freedoms when the nation's security was threatened in the past. As a result, the debates in Washington and state legislatures about limiting civil liberties to battle terrorism could be decisive because many of the new limits may never receive rigorous court review. The courts have always interpreted the limits on government action much differently during times of national crisis, said Michael C. Dorf, a professor of constitutional law at Columbia Law School. So as a matter of practical fact, the government has emergency powers. Attorney General John Ashcroft is pressing Congress for a series of new anti- terrorism laws, including measures that would expand electronic surveillance and the search powers of law enforcement officials. In New York, Attorney General Eliot L. Spitzer has called for a law expanding wiretap authority, and the State Senate passed such a bill on Monday. Other states are expected to consider similar measures. While courts will retain the power to hear challenges to any restrictions on civil liberties that are part of the new laws, lawyers say the president's martial language and popular sentiment will prompt judges to defer to government officials in their reviews of such measures as expanding wiretapping efforts. History is full of examples of the courts approving limits on civil liberties when the country was perceived to be in danger. The greater the threat, the greater the leeway the courts will give government, said Peter H. Schuck, a professor at Yale Law School. In one case that arose in World War I, a group of Socialists were arrested for distributing pamphlets that urged peaceful opposition to the draft. The demonstrators were tried and convicted under the Espionage Act, which included provisions barring efforts to obstruct enlistment in the armed forces. The arrests were upheld by the Supreme Court in 1919, which issued a landmark opinion by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., who was often a champion of First Amendment freedoms. During war, he wrote, statements that might be protected in ordinary times could be barred. The most stringent protection of free speech, Justice Holmes wrote, would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic. In an atmosphere of cold war anxieties in 1951, the Supreme Court approved the conviction of leaders of the Communist Party for advocating the overthrow of the government. The opinion concluded that the need to bar even threats of violence against the country was a substantial enough interest to limit First Amendment freedoms. Some precedents approving limits on civil liberties are now widely viewed to have been constitutional errors that would not be repeated today. Many legal experts say the Supreme Court's approval of the internment of Japanese- Americans during World War II has been discredited. They say courts would now strike down any such categorical measures against Arab-Americans that might be contemplated. But some lawyers say the more extreme court decisions of the past show how easily judges can be swept up in a warlike mood. Those cases are now seen as mistakes, said David Cole, a professor at the Georgetown University Law Center. But we repeat our mistakes rather than learn from them. Some constitutional experts say the public in recent decades has come to view many civil liberties like the right to exchange political views as central to American life. For that reason, some experts say courts might now be more willing to be critical of the government than they have in the past. Erwin Chemerinsky, a constitutional law expert at the University of Southern California, said the Supreme Court's decision in the 1971 Pentagon Papers case showed that modern courts could be independent of government officials. In that case the court refused the government's request to block publication of secret revelations about the Vietnam war for reasons of national security. Justice Potter Stewart wrote that publication could be stopped only if it would surely result in direct, immediate and irreparable damage to our nation or its people. That test might be met by some of the measures now being considered, like intercepting computer communications among suspected terrorists. But Mr. Chemerinsky said he thought the courts would not rubber- stamp more extreme measures. Wholesale strip searches at airports, he said, would probably fail in the current Supreme Court. This court is institutionally deferential, Mr. Chemerinsky said, but I don't think this is a court that will say, `Anything goes.' But other constitutional law experts said the current justices would be influenced by
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 9:25:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The military looks outward with the civilian authorities taking responsibility for inside the borders. I think this has something to do with posse comitatus (sp?). No, posse c.. meas that the military may not be used as a national police force, they still have the job of defending the country, no matter where they have to look . . . Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 9:38:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: S skull and bones international? also where else have planes been used for terrorism? Yes, in that their are international memebrs and there is a relationship with DKE which is international. There is talk of their alignment with other groups in other countries, but hey its a secret. Planes were one of the first items used by international terroist. They make easy symbols and are in places sometimes of easier possibilities. Gee, Carlos the Jackal, Algerians, the gander crash, etc . . . Om k A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] offlist [CTRL] Quote From Bill Hicks
-Caveat Lector- LOL! That's Bill Hicks twice tonight. A friend called to say Hicks was on HBO's Comedy Channel tonight. I watched it and taped it - it was great - from a Chicago comedy club in 1991. Samm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Second Named Hijacker Alive And Well!!!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 8:46:45 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These reports do not prove or disprove anything, given the possiblity that Manchurian-candidate clones could have been used in the hijackings. Manchurian candidate clones? Never heard of that. Do you have any more info? Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] bin laden trained at ft benning?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 10:55:07 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: anyone have any info on this? (from a message board: http://www.unknowncountry.com/board/): In the text of Linda Moulton Howe's recent report, Who is Osama bin Laden and What Does He Want? there is no mention of the US CIA's role in helping create the Osama bin Laden we are faced with today. There is no mention of this in Whitley's most recent journal article either. This CIA funding, arming and training has not been a secret, so why is it being overlooked? Linda's report says: During the 1980s, Osama bin Laden was an aggressive fund raiser to provide the mujahedeen freedom fighters whatever aid and military equipment he could. By 1988, he established his now-famous organization, Al Qaeda, to provide more military muscle and financing to the Afghan resistance. - An aggressive fundraiser? Is that what Saddam Hussein was when we were funding him in his struggle against Iran? That's certainly funny way of putting it. Does anyone see a pattern here? The US builds up vicious leaders who oppose our Enemies Du Jour and these same leaders turn around and become our worst enemies. We conveniently forget that the US has backed (if not outright created) some of the most despicable regimes in history. --- http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4257158,00.html Blowback chronicles Giles Foden Saturday September 15, 2001 During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, US officials passed billions in funding and training to the mojahedin. The CIA, in particular while under the direction of William Casey - head of the agency during the Reagan administration - was the main manager of these operations. With the Russian withdrawal in 1989, the CIA celebrated its victory with champagne. So says Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism (Pluto Press, £12.99), the definitive account by ABC journalist John Cooley. and: Cooley points out that while the State Department released a fact sheet on bin Laden in 1997 (the year prior to the bombing of the East African embassies), the document omits the background facts which help to explain how early and close were his connections in the United States - making it easier for the Reagan-Casey jihad team to enlist his talents and his fortune. and: Everyone was getting along famously, according to Cooley. Delighted by his impeccable Saudi credentials, the CIA gave Osama free rein in Afghanistan, as did Pakistan's intelligence generals. - From an MSNBC article: http://www.msnbc.com/local/pencilnews/158716.asp But in 1979, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight in Afghanistan. He fought on the side of the mujaheddin, which were right-wing Islamic troops who fought against the Soviet invasion and puppet government. The mujaheddin was backed by a number of countries, including the United States. In fact, some experts believe that bin Laden received some training from the CIA. - and http://www.msnbc.com/news/627355.asp Osama bin Laden, one-time ally of the CIA in the war against the Soviet army in Afghanistan, is now the primary suspect in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the most deadly terrorist assaults in U.S. history. - http://www.indiaabroaddaily.com/2001/03/06/06taliban.html 'CIA worked with Pak to create Taliban' Sanjay Suri, London March 06, 2001 11:40 Hrs (IST) THE CENTRAL Intelligence Agency (CIA) worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the monster that is today Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, a leading US expert on South Asia said here. I warned them that we were creating a monster, Selig Harrison from the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars said at the conference here last week on Terrorism and Regional Security: Managing the Challenges in Asia. Harrison said: The CIA made a historic mistake in encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan. The US provided $3 billion for building up these Islamic groups, and it accepted Pakistan's demand that they should decide how this money should be spent, Harrison said. - No genuine assessment of the enemy that Osama bin Laden may be today can be made without taking into consideration the US government's own covert ops' involvement in his financing, training and arms acquisition. To ingore this aspect does not help anyone, except maybe the US government, who is apparently lusting for war. I am disappointed that both Linda and Whitley have glossed over these facts. I have a few questions: 1) Is there money to be made in war? 2) Is the arms industry going to donate their profits to charity because this is such a moral cause? 3) Did Ike or did he not warn us about the Military/Industrial complex? Suspicious Minds Want to Know. sailor -- Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
Re: [CTRL] offlist [CTRL] Quote From Bill Hicks
-Caveat Lector- Sorry folks, I meant that to go offlist. Samantha In a message dated 9/19/01 2:14:16 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL! That's Bill Hicks twice tonight. A friend called to say Hicks was on HBO's Comedy Channel tonight. I watched it and taped it - it was great - from a Chicago comedy club in 1991. Samm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Barbara Olson
-Caveat Lector- I just found this out. Barbara Olson has been mentioned many times as a lady who regularly appeared on the Fox News Channel. She was on one of the four planes that crashed. I don't remember which one. Anyway, supposedly Barbara was on C-SPAN the Sunday morning before the WTC incident and a lady called up, told her she was filled with evil and would soon die. I dunno if this story is actually true or not, but I see no reason for anyone to make up something like that. Damaeus -- .. | AIM:Damaeus |Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | ICQ:18405845 |New Age, Conspiracy, UFO, Alien TV Listings | |---'. http://www.web-recon.com/continuum/tv | | YahooMessenger:Damaeus | http://www.web-recon.com | ''---' A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Its the End of the World as Clear Channel Knows It
-Caveat Lector- radtimes wrote: It's the End of the World as Clear Channel Knows It It's a hoax. See http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/radio.htm Kelly A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Konformist: WAR IS A RACKET
-Caveat Lector- For the amazing (?) story of Gen. Butler and his role in foiling the Morgan-Dupont-etc. attempted coup against Roosevelt, see http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr399-fdr.html The coup attempt against FDR gives us an historical precedent to conclude that powerful interests will consider using every available means including political murder in order to pursue their personal wealth. *** Robert Sterling wrote: WAR IS A RACKET SMEDLEY BUTLER Smedley Butler on Interventionism -- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC. -- War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses. I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag. I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its finger men to point out enemies, its muscle men to destroy enemies, its brain men to plan war preparations, and a Big Boss Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism. It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher- ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents. If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit: http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, thew wrote: the root cause of terrorism is perceived inequities in the way people live. There's a lot more to it than that...there are plenty of countries whose citizens by-and-large live lives of 'perceived inequities' to ours, yet they don't breed suicidal terrorists... It needs raising of children under a fascist, fanatical system where they are ingrained to believe they are 'the chosen ones' (whether intrinsically by virture of them being born into a certain race, ethnic group, or religion, or by living their lives a certain way or by perpetating a certain act against the perceived 'enemy')... Study the Japanese kamikaze pilots of WWII -- they did not perceive any inequity between themselves and the U.S., quite the opposite -- Japan felt itself so totally superior to us that we were beneath contempt. No, the suicide bombers of Japan were motivated by patriotism, and the belief that by dying in such a manner that they would be assured a place in Heaven with the Emperor of Japan, who they believed to be a god... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Forgetting Foriegn Affairs
Caveat Lector TomPaine.commentary FORGETTING FOREIGN AFFAIRS American Media Cut Overseas Reporting AUDIO and TEXT Nina Burleigh has written for The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, and New York magazine. As a reporter for TIME, she was among the first American journalists to enter Iraq after the Gulf War. respond email this article print subscribe to TP.c AUDIO: Click here to listen to Ms. Burleigh's commentary. To download RealPlayer for free, click here. This commentary was produced by Steven Rosenfeld. Regular CNN viewers might think that a small group of foreign correspondents normally stationed overseas who were reporting from the States last week were called back home because of the disaster. The truth is more ironic and is one piece of a bigger, troubling trend in US media's foreign coverage. At least four CNN overseas reporters just happened to be in the U.S. on September 11 because they had been called home to be told that they were either about to lose their jobs, or were going to have to start working from their homes to save the company money. Foreign news cutbacks are not a recent phenomenon. National newspapers and magazines have shut scores of overseas bureaus in recent years. The cutbacks not only save money for the beancounters but reflect an editorial decision-making process that judges Americans' need to know based on focus groups. This tool of advertisers and political consultants has declared that "serving the public" means more stories about cars, celebrities and cures that don't involve pain. Forget foreign affairs. The foreign news blackout means that the rest of the world knows far more about America than we know about ourselves, let alone what we know about them. And this triumph of ignorance means that Americans can't even comprehend what motivates those who hate us. Thanks to these so-called "editorial decisions" at the big news organizations, Americans have little to go on to assess Osama bin Laden, his followers, the Arab people, and the states that we are told by the President harbor the terror networks. The White House would have the public believe that we're hated because we are the land of the free. If only the current state of affairs were so simple. The last time I visited Baghdad, as a reporter in fall 1998, there wasn't much of a market for a story in the U.S. about bin Laden's popular allure on Arab streets. No matter that he had been the FBI's most wanted man for several years. Editors I worked with then were rarely interested in stories about Arabs that didn't involve an immediate crisis. But there was a story. On that same trip, I met a young man in Jordan who drives visitors around Amman for a living. One night I asked him what he knew of bin Laden, who at the time had just been the target of an America bombing campaign for allegedly blowing up American embassies in Africa, killing hundreds. I was surprised when the young man's entire voice and demeanor changed. "Osama bin Laden," he whispered reverentially, dragging out the vowels. "He sleeps under trees. He doesn't care about money or sex. He is pure." The young man went on to explain that cassette tapes of bin Laden's speeches were quite popular in Amman, easily acquired and passed around among his friends. He also said if the Jordanian police nearby overheard him uttering bin Laden's name to me, he'd be in trouble. Over the next few days, we talked some more about his idol, and I was always shocked by the palpable reverence in which he held bin Laden. This man was not a terrorist and not a martyr-in-training. He was a practicing Muslim Jordanian with a lot of exposure to Westerners. I learned then that bin Laden's power over him had less to do with the Americans and more to do with intra-Arab politics. In Jordan, where many Palestinian refugees and sympathizers live, he said the Saudi sheiks -- not Israel -- are seen as a major corrupting element among the Muslim population. The oil-rich Saudis practice ascetic restraint at home, but cross the border into Jordan to buy British booze and Iraqi or Jordanian women. My driver said he knew this firsthand. Many Arabs -- not just bin Laden and his suicidal followers -- view Saudi moral corruption as a cancer on the whole region. From talking to this young man and his friends, I realized that for a significant number of poor Arab Muslims, hatred of America was only one part of bin Laden's complex allure. Curiously -- or perhaps not given their total isolation -- once inside Iraq I didn't find anyone on the streets of Bagdad who had even heard of bin Laden. But back in the States, a heard-on-the-streets story about this man on the FBI's most wanted list wasn't wanted at all. The lack of interest in Arab affairs that I experienced as a freelance journalist was not just a symptom of the fashion- and buzz-infested glossy magazines. The television networks, newspapers and magazines have all been cutting back on foreign coverage for
[CTRL] AP: CIA Says No Bars to Recruitment of People With Unsavory Backgrounds for Spy Work
-Caveat Lector- http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAHLE6HQRC.html CIA Says No Bars to Recruitment of People With Unsavory Backgrounds for Spy Work By George Gedda Associated Press Writer Published: Sep 17, 2001 WASHINGTON (AP) - Contrary to the assertions of some lawmakers and administration officials, there are no barriers to CIA recruitment of people, including those with unsavory reputations, who are needed to infiltrate terrorist groups, the CIA said Monday. Spokesman Bill Harlow commented in response to repeated calls in recent days for an easing of perceived recruiting constraints so the CIA can collect information on those responsible for last week's terrorist hijackings and attacks. The CIA has never turned down a field request to recruit an asset in a terrorist organization, Harlow said. Furthermore, the CIA does not avoid contact with individuals, regardless of their past, who may have information about terrorist activities. Another official, asking not to be identified, said the guidelines simply require field officers to obtain approval from headquarters before establishing a relationship with an individual who had engaged in human rights abuses or other disreputable activity. The official added that there seems to be a misunderstanding about whether the guidelines hamstring CIA recruiting efforts. Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday the government needs more than certified good guys to penetrate spy networks. Otherwise, he said, You're not going to find out what the bad guys are doing. You need to be able to penetrate these organizations. Any recruiting restrictions, he said, should be lifted. Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., who heads the Senate Intelligence Committee, said last week, We are not going to find the kinds of spies we need in monasteries. Sen. Richard Shelby. R-Ala., suggested Sunday that the agency needs unsavory characters in its ranks if it is to make headway. Are they people you wouldn't want to invite to your home? Absolutely, Shelby said. But we have to deal with these people to get at the bottom of a lot of information we want like terrorist cells. The CIA recruiting practices made headlines in the mid-1990s following allegations that several CIA agents in Guatemala ordered, planned or took part in human rights abuses, including assassination, since 1984. The most publicized cases involved the killings in Guatemala of an American innkeeper, Michael Devine, in 1990, and of a Guatemalan guerrilla leader, Efrain Bamaca, who was married to an American lawyer. Bamaca was killed in 1992. In 1996, the Intelligence Oversight Board, a presidential panel, found the allegations against CIA personnel in Guatemala to be credible. Then-CIA Director John Deutch took a number of actions, including the dismissal of the chief of the Latin American Division of the CIA's Directorate of Operations. In addition, a former CIA station chief in Guatemala was asked to retire. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NewRep: The Iraq Connection
-Caveat Lector- From The New Republic THE IRAQ CONNECTION. Blood Baath by R. James Woolsey Post date 09.13.01 Issue date 09.24.01 In the immediate aftermath of Tuesday's attacks, attention has focused on terrorist chieftain Osama bin Laden. And he may well be responsible. But intelligence and law enforcement officials investigating the case would do well to at least consider another possibility: that the attacks--whether perpetrated by bin Laden and his associates or by others--were sponsored, supported, and perhaps even ordered by Saddam Hussein. To this end, investigators should revisit the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. A few years ago, the facts in that case seemed straightforward: The mastermind behind the bombing, who went by the alias Ramzi Yousef, was in fact a 27-year-old Pakistani named Abdul Basit. But late last year, AEI Press published Study of Revenge: Saddam Hussein's Unfinished War Against America, a careful book about the bombing by AEI scholar Laurie Mylroie. The book's startling thesis is that the original theory of the attack, advanced by James Fox (the FBI's chief investigator into the 1993 bombing until his replacement in 1994) was correct: that Yousef was not Abdul Basit but rather an Iraqi agent who had assumed the latter's identity when police files in Kuwait (where the real Abdul Basit lived in 1990) were doctored by Iraqi intelligence during the occupation of Kuwait. If Mylroie and Fox (who died in 1997) are right, then it was Iraq that went after the World Trade Center last time. Which makes it much more plausible that Iraq has done so again. According to the theory of the 1993 bombing embraced by federal prosecutors and the Clinton administration, Yousef/Abdul Basit was just another Middle Eastern student who became radicalized in his early twenties. But it is worth noting that the only two publicly reported items suggesting that Yousef and Abdul Basit are the same man could very easily have been products of Iraqi tampering with Kuwaiti police files: a few photocopied pages from earlier Abdul Basit passports that had clearly been tampered with, provided by Yousef in New York in 1992 to get a Pakistani passport in Abdul Basit's name, and fingerprints matching Yousef's found in Abdul Basit's police file in Kuwait. It is also worth noting that Abdul Basit and his family, who lived in Kuwait, disappeared during the Iraqi occupation, and the family has never reappeared. Was this a random tragedy of war or part of an effort to set up a false identity for Yousef? Moreover, the Fox/Mylroie theory--that Yousef, via Iraqi intelligence, stole Abdul Basit's identity--would explain a number of troubling differences between Abdul Basit in the summer of 1989 (when he left the United Kingdom after three years of study) and Yousef in September 1992 (when he arrived in New York). If the two are indeed the same man, then, over the course of three years, he would have: (a) grown four inches (from five foot eight inches to six feet) in his twenties; (b) put on between 35 and 40 pounds; (c) developed a deformed eye; (d) developed smaller ears and a smaller mouth; (e) gone from being an innovative computer programmer to being computer-challenged; (f) aged substantially more than three years in appearance; and (g) changed from being a quiet, smiling young man respectful to women to a rather different one (a sound file in Yousef's computer, for example, includes his voice saying Fuck, fuck, fuck and Shut up, you bitch). What incentive would the U.S. government have had to overlook these changes, stipulate that Abdul Basit and Yousef were the same person, and turn away from any suggestion that Saddam was behind the first WTC attack? One can only speculate. But by arguing that the 1993 WTC bombing and a separate, FBI-thwarted plot to bomb New York tunnels and buildings were connected as parts of a common conspiracy, prosecutors made convicting the participants, under the very broad seditious conspiracy law, far simpler. As for the Clinton administration itself, there would be less need to confront Saddam, and perhaps less need to make hard choices, if it didn't finger him as being behind the WTC bombing. And indeed, ever since Fox's ouster, federal prosecutors and the White House have hewed to the line that most terrorist attacks on the United States are either the products of loose networks of folks who just somehow come together or are masterminded by the mysterious and unaccountable bin Laden. Explicit state sponsorship, especially by Iraq, has not been on the agenda. The Clinton administration, meanwhile, treated Saddam--in former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger's famous metaphor--like the mole in an international version of the Whack-a-Mole carnival game: If you bopped him on the head, he'd stay in his hole for a while. But what has he been doing while he's down there? If Fox and Mylroie are right, quite possibly planning, financing, and backing terrorist operations
[CTRL] Christian Terrorism
Ah, I can see it now. GW mobilizes to remove all evil. He assaults terrorism and those that give it succor. News Flash Marine Jump Jets strafe 1st Babtist Church of Palookaville. Mines laid in NC around home of William Rudolph. Right to Lifer Leaders assasinated by Lon Horiuchi. Driven by schizophrenia, the FBI bombs itself. Film at 11:00 Ham http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-74771sep17.column?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dcomment%2Dopinions It is worth reminding ourselves that extreme Christian fundamentalism breeds its own violent cells of terrorists here at home. According to the Abortion Rights League, there have been 2,500 reported attacks and 55,000 acts of illegal disruption against medical clinics since the late 1970s in the United States.
Re: [CTRL] Second Named Hijacker Alive And Well!!!
The Manchurian Candidate has been part of the lexicon since the 50s,usingknown POW and other brainwashing techniques. For information on cloning, you could see the Dr.Peter Beter letters from the 70s or the Fire From The Sky series at http://www.cseti.org/position/addition/fire%20from%20the%20sky.htmand at many textfile archives elsewhere on the web. "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Manchurian candidate clones? Never heard of that. Do you have any moreinfo?
Re: [CTRL] Second Named Hijacker Alive And Well!!!
from http://www.etext.org/Politics/Beter.Audio.Letter/dbal46 !--StartFragment--My friends, since World War II and before, scientists theworld over have been probing for the basic secrets of lifeitself; and in this field as in others, progress has been muchfaster than the public has been led to believe. Today it'scommon knowledge that heredity is governed by something calledgenes, yet barely a generation ago this relationship was onlybeginning to be suspected. When it was suggested in 1944 by atheoretical physicist, Erwin Schrodinger, it was a novel idea. Beyond that no one was too certain what genes were aside fromhuge molecules or clusters of molecules. Some thought they weremolecular chunks of protein, some thought they were somethingelse. When Schrodinger's ideas about genes were published, WorldWar II was still raging and basic scientific research was on aback burner; and yet, barely a half a dozen years later,researchers were zeroing in on a building block of life even morebasic than genes. The solution was found to this revolutionarypuzzle in April 1953 at Cambridge University in England. Scientists James Watson, Francis Crick, and Maurice Wilkins werelater to share the Nobel Prize for solving the puzzle. They haddiscovered the molecular structure of DNA, the famous "doublehelix." In 1968 Watson published a book titled "THE DOUBLEHELIX", published by Athenaeum, New York, N.Y. To understand theoverwhelming importance of the double helix discovery in 1953,one need go no further than these few words on the jacket of thebook: "DNA is the molecule of heredity, and to know its structure andmethod of reproduction enables science to know how geneticdirections are written and transmitted, how the forms of life areordered from one generation to the next."In other words, to understand DNA is to begin to understand lifeitself. It has now been over a quarter century since the crucialdiscovery of the DNA double helix, and since then research inmolecular biology has not been standing still but speeding up. In some cases research has gone in directions which aredeliberately sheltered from publicity because of the fear ofpublic reaction. Not so long ago, for example, universitiesdoing research into artificial microbes found their neighbors inan ugly mood when they found out about it. Test tube babies arenow a reality, and that began not long ago in England where themystery of DNA was first unraveled. Then, of course, there areclones--that is, creatures which are reproduced by artificialmeans and which are exact duplicates of an original. Clones ofall kinds of animals have been produced successfully in thelaboratory, but that is not what bothers people. In the recentpast it has been claimed that human clones are also possible andthat some may already be in existence. These last claims abouthuman clones have been ridiculed, denied, and suppressed by allkinds of officials--the reason is that the idea of duplicatehuman beings impinges upon a super-secret realm of Intelligenceactivities by both Russia and the United States. True clones arenot involved, but something that bears a superficial resemblanceto cloning is going on; and the last thing the powers-that-bewant is for you and the public to have any hint about what isafoot. In Russia as well as in the West, research has been under wayfor many years in biological synthesis--that is, artificial lifeforms; and according to high intelligence, a stunningbreak-through took place in Russia some years ago. The Russiansrefer to this break-through as a "providential discovery",something they learned almost by accident. They discovered thekey to creating what are known as "organic robotoids." Anorganic robotoid is an artificial robot-like creature, it looksand acts exactly like a human being and yet it is not human. Arobotoid is alive in the biological sense but it is an artificiallife form. Robotoids respond to conventional routine medicaltests in the same way as humans do; they eat, they drink, theybreathe, they bleed if cut; and they can be killed. Robotoidscan also think, but they think only in the sense that a computerthinks. Like any other computer, the brain of a robotoid has tobe programmed for each assignment it is given; but unlike manyelectronic computers, the biological computer brain of a robotoidpossesses an enormous memory. As a result, robotoids can beprogrammed to communicate and think in such complex patterns thatthey act human. Organic robotoids are remarkable creatures, but they have manydrawbacks. They don't grow or reproduce but must be manufacturedone by one in the desired form. They also have a very limitedlife span, measured in months or even weeks, depending upon howthey are utilized. This is due to the fact that theirmetabolism, while it resembles that of humans, is veryinefficient. A robotoid can be manufactured on very shortnotice, a matter of hours; but after a few weeks or months itsuddenly begins to degenerate physically and mentally. When
[CTRL] Sept 11 Connection
From a link at Devvy Kid's site. Ham http://www.davidsonpress.com/PP.htm
[CTRL] Flight school says FBI trailed suspect prior to hijackings (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Flight school says FBI trailed suspect prior to hijackings http://www.boston.com/ By Kevin Cullen and Ralph Ranalli, Globe Staff, 9/18/2001 FBI Director Robert Mueller continued to insist yesterday that federal authorities had no reason to suspect Islamic extremists were training at US flight schools before last week's suicide hijackings, even as more evidence surfaced raising questions about those assertions. The vice president of a flight school in Oklahoma told The Boston Globe yesterday that three weeks before Tuesday's suicide hijackings, FBI agents interviewed him about a suspected terrorist who had trained at the school. Dale Davis, the vice president of Airman Flight School in Norman, Okla., said FBI agents showed up at the facility asking questions about Zacarias Moussaoui, who was arrested in Minnesota last month after he tried to get flight simulator lessons on flying a commercial-size jet. In addition, Davis said that FBI agents visited his flight school two years ago to ask questions about a former student who had been identified by federal authorities as an associate of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born dissident who is the prime suspe ct in organizing last week's hijackings. Davis also said that two of the men who hijacked two flights out of Boston's Logan Airport last week, including Mohamed Atta, who investigators believe was the ringleader of the Boston hijackings, had visited the Norman flight school last year before deciding to attend one in Florida. At a Washington briefing yesterday, Mueller repeated his assertion, first made Friday, that federal authorities had no inkling that terrorists were using US flight schools to acquire the training they needed to take the controls of commercial airline rs as they did on Tuesday. ''There were no warning signs that I'm aware of that would indicate this type of operation in the country,'' he said. But the Globe reported Saturday that federal authorities have known for at least three years that two associates of bin Laden had trained in the United States as airline pilots. The link between the Al-Qaeda terror group, allegedly led by bin Laden, and US flight schools emerged earlier this year at the trial of four men charged with the 1998 bombing of the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. At that trial, during whic h FBI agents were called as witnesses, an associate of bin Laden testified that he went to a flight school in Texas. Prosecutors introduced evidence that a second associate of bin Laden, Ihab Ali Nawawi, had trained at Airman Flight School, as did Moussaoui, who is now being held in New York for questioning on suspicion that he is an associate of the hijackers. In a telephone interview, Davis confirmed that the FBI had suspicions about Moussaoui at least three weeks before last week's disaster. The questions FBI agents posed to him appeared to be about whether Moussaoui could have been a terrorist, Davis said, including whether the alleged Algerian militant had ever made any ''extreme comments'' about the United States. When asked why they were inquiring about Moussaoui, Davis said, the agents replied that ''he had done something very bad.'' Davis said FBI agents had visited his school just two years earlier to inquire about Ihab Ali Nawawi, who took flight training there in 1993 and was later charged in connection with the 1998 US Embassy bombings in Africa, which were blamed on bin Laden's group. Davis also confirmed that Atta and another suspected hijacker, Marwan al-Shehhi, visited Airman Flight School, staying overnight at the school's dormitory in the nearby Sooner Inn, before deciding to train at another facility. ''They did a school visit in July of 2000 but went elsewhere for whatever reason,'' Davis said. The Los Angeles Times yesterday quoted an unidentified federal official saying that Moussaoui asked only for lessons on ''steering, not landing'' and cheered when he watched a news account of the suicide hijackings at the jail in Minnesota where he h as been held since last month. Two other suspects being held for questioning in New York, Aybu Ali Khan and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, who had been living in New Jersey, were taken into custody on a train in Fort Worth, Texas, and arrested after police found they were carrying box cu tters similar to those used by some of the hijackers. Investigators believe the hijackers in Tuesday's attack used box cutters because the tool's plastic handle would not set off metal detectors at airport security checkpoints. While authorities have not identified a fourth suspect being interrogated in New York, CNN yesterday said that the man is a doctor from San Antonio, and that Azmath and Khan may have been heading to his home there to hide. CNN said the man attended t he same flight school in Arizona as one of the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the P entagon. A neighbor told The New York Times that one
[CTRL] Saved by the militia (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-barnett091801.shtml Saved by the Militia Arming an army against terrorism. By Randy E. Barnett is the Austin B. Fletcher Professor at Boston University and the author of The Structure of Liberty: Justice and the Rule of Law. September 18, 2001 11:30 a.m. A well-regulated militia being essential to the security of a free state. . . . The next time someone tells you that the militia referred to in the Second Amendment has been superceded by the National Guard, ask them who it was that prevented United Airlines Flight 93 from reaching its target. The National Guard? The regular Army? The D.C. Police Department? None of these had a presence on Flight 93 because, in a free society, professional law-enforcement and military personnel cannot be everywhere. Terrorists and criminals are well aware of this indeed, they count on it. Who is everywhere? The people the Founders referred to as the general militia. Cell-phone calls from the plane have now revealed that it was members of the general militia, not organized law enforcement, who successfully prevented Flight 93 from reaching its intended target at the cost of their own lives. The characterization of these heroes as members of the militia is not just the opinion of one law professor. It is clearly stated in Federal statutes. Perhaps you will not believe me unless I quote Section 311 of US Code Title 10, entitled, Militia: composition and classes in its entirety (with emphases added): (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia. This is not to score political points at a moment of great tragedy, though had the murderers on these four airplanes been armed with guns rather than knives, reminders of this fact would never end. Rather, that it was militia members who saved whatever was the terrorists' target whether the White House or the Capitol at the cost of their lives points in the direction of practical steps in some cases the only practical steps to reduce the damage cause by any future attacks. An excellent beginning was provided by Dave Kopel and David Petteys in their NRO column Making the Air Safe for Terror. Whether or not their specific recommendations are correct, they are too important to be ignored and they are not the only persons to reach similar conclusions about the need for effective self-defense. Refusing to discuss what measures really worked, what really failed, and what is likely to really work in future attacks on airplanes and in other public spaces for reasons of political correctness would be unconscionable. And we need to place this discussion in its larger constitutional context. Asking all of us if we packed our own bags did not stop this attack. X-rays of all carry-on baggage did not stop this attack (though it may well have confined the attackers to using knives). And preventing us from using e-tickets or checking our bags at the street (for how long?) would neither have stopped this nor any future attack. All these new security proposals will merely inconvenience millions of citizens driving them away from air travel and seriously harming our economy and our freedom. As others have noted, it would be a victory for these murderers rather than an effective way to stop them in the future. A way around them will always be open to determined mass murderers. More importantly, none bear any relation to the attack that actually occurred on September 11th. Ask yourself every time you hear a proposal for increased security: Would have in any way have averted the disaster that actually happened? Will it avert a future suicide attack on the public by other new and different means? Any realistic response to what happened and is likely to happen in the future must acknowledge that, when the next moment of truth arrives in whatever form, calling 911 will not work. Training our youth to be helpless in the face of an attack, avoiding violence at all costs will not work. There will always be foreign and domestic wolves to prey on the sheep we raise. And the next attack is unlikely to take the same form as the ones we just experienced. We must adopt measures that promise some relief in circumstances we cannot now imagine. Here is the cold hard fact of the matter that
[CTRL] Study: Abortion Increases Crime (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- STOPP International: Study Says Abortion Increases Crime, But Mainstream Media Turns Deaf Ear September 7, 2001 10:01am Source: PR Newswire http://finance.individual.com/display_news.asp?doc_id=CT2001250p1718page=news WASHINGTON, Sep 7, 2001 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Why is an academic study, which concludes that abortion increases crime, getting so little media attention? asked Ed Szymkowiak, national director of Stop Planned Parenthood International, a division of American Life League. Two years ago, when different researchers released a study which claimed that abortion decreases crime, it made national headlines for months. A May 2001 study by John R. Lott of Yale Law School and John Whitley of the University of Adelaide School of Economics in Australia concludes that legalized abortion in the United States resulted in higher crime rates. Lott and Whitley cite research that suggests that abortion creates a social climate that encourages out-of-wedlock births and single-parent families, which in turn tend to produce children more likely to commit crime. The two researchers also expose the flawed methodology of the earlier headline-grabbing study by John Donohue and Steven Levitt, The Impact of Legalizing Abortion on Crime Rates, which claims that abortion reduces crime. On page 19 of their study, Lott and Whitley point to statistical evidence that shows legalizing abortion increased murder rates by around 0.5 to 7 percent. On page 18, the researchers note, The higher estimated increases in murder imply that legalizing abortion raised the number of murders in 1998 by 1,230 and raised total annual victimization costs from all crime by at least $4.5 billion. The Lott and Whitley study, Abortion and Crime: Unwanted Children and Out-of-Wedlock Births, is available online from the Social Science Research Network free of charge at HTTP://PAPERS.SSRN.COM/SOL3/PAPERS.cfm?abstract_id=270126 . STOPP is a division of American Life League, the nation's largest pro-life educational organization with more than 375,000 supporting families. HTTP://WWW.STOPPINTERNATIONAL.ORG [Forwarded For Information Purposes Only - Not Necessarily Endorsed By The Sender - A.K. Pritchard] -- A.K. Pritchard The Republican Web pages and email list And to the Republic for which it stands http://members.ll.net/chiliast/ God, Guns, Government History http://members.ll.net/chiliast/GGGH/index2.html Republic USA http://www.republicusa.org/ To subscribe to The Republican email list - just ask! [EMAIL PROTECTED] From The Federalist Brief: The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1999 (S.1692), as passed by the Senate last week, was introduced by Senator Rick Santorum. During the debate on the Senate floor, we caught this exchange between Mr. Santorum and abortion advocate Ms. Barbara Boxer (D-CA). Regarding the issue of when a child's life should be protected, it went Sen. Santorum: But, again, what you are suggesting is if the baby's toe is inside the mother, you can, in fact, kill that baby. Sen. Boxer: Absolutely not. Santorum: OK. So if the baby's toe is in, you can't kill the baby. How about if the baby's foot is in? Boxer: You are the one who is making these statements. Santorum: We are trying to draw a line here. Boxer: I am not answering these questions. Santorum: If the head is inside the mother, you can kill the baby. (Supporters of partial-birth abortion show a topsy-turvy view of the world if they are willing to let a baby be killed based on how much and from which direction that baby emerges from the mother.) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US Military Stategy Takes Shape
-Caveat Lector- U.S. Develops Options for Military Action Troops Could Be Sent Overseas Within Weeks By Thomas E. Ricks, Kamran Khan and Molly Moore Washington Post Staff Writers Wednesday, September 19, 2001; Page A01 The Pentagon intensified preparations yesterday for a possible overseas deployment of U.S. troops that could begin within weeks as U.S. and Pakistani officials drafted plans for using bases in Pakistan as staging grounds for raids into neighboring Afghanistan, according to officials in Washington and Islamabad. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, alluding to the planning in both countries, said the United States is preparing a very broadly based campaign to go after the terrorist problem where it exists. And in an indication of the breadth of military action being contemplated by the administration in response to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, Rumsfeld told reporters that the U.S. military would use the full spectrum of our capabilities. I think of it in the sense of self-defense, and there is nothing that inhibits the United States of America from defending itself, Rumsfeld said. While Pentagon officials stressed no decisions have been made, sources said Rumsfeld and other senior officials are considering a wide range of options for attacking suspected terrorists and their supporters in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia has been harboring Saudi exile Osama bin Laden, who the U.S. government says is its prime suspect in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The options range from small-scale raids using Special Forces troops to airstrikes and cruise missile barrages, officials said. In addition to direct military action, the administration is considering a variety of intelligence, economic and diplomatic actions to disrupt terrorist networks and the governments that support or tolerate them, officials said. We intend to put them on the defensive, to disrupt terrorist networks and remove their sanctuaries and their support systems, Rumsfeld said. This will take a long, sustained effort. The Pentagon's planning reflects some of the political and geographic difficulties confronting the administration as it contemplates what President Bush has called a new kind of war against a shadowy, stateless enemy. The plans are a radical departure from operations such as the 1991 Persian Gulf War, which involved a massive buildup of troops and heavy weapons, and will rely instead on smaller, more mobile units. Pakistani military officials said the Bush administration has not asked to station large numbers of ground troops in the country, a request that would be politically difficult for the Pakistan government to meet and logistically difficult for U.S. forces to carry out. Sensitive to the problems of having U.S. troops operate in a conservative Muslim nation, especially in an area of Pakistan where Afghans are considered ethnic brothers, Pentagon planners are aiming to minimize the number of U.S. troops that would be based there, officials said. One possible course of action calls for Special Forces to conduct raids on suspected terrorists in Afghanistan from Pakistan. The countries share a 1,500-mile border. But the plan calls for stationing most of the assault troops outside Pakistan and flying them to Pakistan at the last minute to stage the raids, officials said. Pentagon officials are discussing basing some forces aboard Navy ships in the Arabian Sea and having them use helicopters to move into Afghanistan. U.S. troops might also be based in friendly Persian Gulf nations, such as Oman and Kuwait. The Navy has two aircraft carriers in the area, the Carl Vinson and the Enterprise, and soon will have a third, the Theodore Roosevelt. Asked to comment on the military planning, Victoria Clarke, the top Pentagon spokeswoman, said, We don't have any comment on operational details. A delegation of U.S. officials is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan this week to discuss details of ground support requirements. Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf has promised to cooperate with U.S. efforts to dislodge bin Laden. Musharraf, a veteran of Pakistani special forces, already has agreed to give the United States overflight rights for missile and aerial bombing raids in Afghanistan. Military planners say a limited ground presence will be necessary to command any operation run out of Pakistan, including operating a headquarters and basing the Special Operations helicopters that would be used for the short trip over the border into Afghanistan. Officials said they are planning to keep the deployment as austere as possible, with troops living in tents, and as many support functions as possible, such as intelligence analysis, being carried out elsewhere. You can run a limited war with the facilities that the U.S. Navy has in the Arabian Sea, a senior Pakistan naval official said. But
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hear the march of McCarthyism coming this way. Are you a real American? Give me a break! More leftist claptrap. And disinformation as well. Time has vindicated McCarthy. DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] MILLIONS OF SHARES SOLD ON EVE OF DISASTER
-Caveat Lector- while i agree just a little devils advocate stuff -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Truth is more of a stranger than fiction. -- Mark Twain NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 02:40:05 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] MILLIONS OF SHARES SOLD ON EVE OF DISASTER From: Brian Downing Quig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: PRIMARY RESEARCH ASSOCIATES Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] MILLIONS OF SHARES SOLD ON EVE OF DISASTER Mike, I am finding sound evidence supporting several contrary conclusions. The things that support the Bin Ladin theory: 1) The assassination of Bin Ladin's rival 2 days before the WTC. This timing looks suspicious. suspicious doesn't prove anything 2) The stock purchases of Bin Ladin. This tooked to me like the typical evidence laid out to convict in the minds of the public and it would not surprise me in the least if the outlet for such planted evidence would be the Mellon Scaife network. Your own sources seem from what you have written to support this contention. It is important to know who these sources are. The things that do not seem to support the Bin Ladin conclusion are: 1) The PENTAGON plane that took the extra danger to bank to an insignificant section of the PENTAGON to spare the JOINT CHIEFS. That does not seem to be what real terrorists would do. that plane was aimed at the white house supposedly - the pentagon was just a target of opportunity used when they overflew the target 2) Planted evidence like the passport of one of the WTC pilots that was found on the street below. That reminds me of the magic bullet that was found on the streacher at PARKLAND HOSPITAL. 3) Why would the terrorists leave a rented car at LOGAN with flight training manuals in Arabic? This looks planted. these both bugged me as well - but brilliant terrorists have often made stupid mistakes - whether through hubris, or just stupidity I dont know i.e. tim mcveigh speeding in an unregistered car the guy going to pick up the deposit in the van he used to in the WTC bombing in 93 etc 4) Why would the terrorists use their own IDs? If they could use military secure phones and find the codes for the president's SECRET SERVICE detail how come they did not use doctored IDs? No one claimed credit for the attack. Why would these guys leave a trail? I dont think they were trying to hide themselves. Brian Mike Ruppert wrote: Damn! I just finished writing my story on this today! Drudged again. -Original Message- From: daniel hopsicker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[CIA-DRUGS] drudge: MILLIONS OF SHARES SOLD ON EVE OF DISASTER on the eve of the bay of pigs, allan dulles et al were shorting sugar. if you work for richard mellon scaife, a sense of history is--almost by definition--superfluous. CIA PROBE: MILLIONS OF SHARES SOLD ON EVE OF DISASTER; DID BIN LADEN PULL OFF THE SICKEST SHARE DEAL EVER? DAILY MAIL 09/18/01 The CIA has asked the City regulators in London to investigate suspicious sales of millions of shares before last Tuesday's attacks in America in the belief that the paper trail will lead to the terrorists. MORE Osama Bin Laden could have pulled off a sick financial coup shortly before the attacks that devastated America. Britain's City watchdog, the Financial Services Authority, has launched an inquiry into unusual share price movements in London before last week's atrocities. Other investigations have been launched in the U.S., Germany, Japan and Italy. The authorities fear that the Saudi-born multi- millionaire's followers might have used a technique known as 'short selling' shares in commodities such as insurance companies, airlines and tourism which they knew would plunge after the attack. Short selling involves borrowing shares from a broker, then selling them. You use the money raised to buy the shares when the price has gone down, give them to the broker and pocket the difference. So if you sold a million shares at GBP 8 each, and they then went down to GBP 5, you could make a quick GBP 3million less the broker's fees and commission. 'It would be a particularly ghoulish kind of insider dealing,' said one source. 'But if we find anyone profiteering out of the tragedy it could be a good lead for the investigation into exactly who is responsible.' The authorities are also looking for any unusual buying activity in sectors likely to go up, such as building or arms manufacturers. Germany's security watchdog has launched an inquiry
Re: [CTRL] Study: Abortion Increases Crime
-Caveat Lector- in Scandinavia some 30 - 50 % of children are born out of wedlock or to single parent families, and yet the crime rate there is very low. -- --- - Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it Elwood P Dowd NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:58:34 -0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Study: Abortion Increases Crime (fwd) Lott and Whitley cite research that suggests that abortion creates a social climate that encourages out-of-wedlock births and single-parent families, which in turn tend to produce children more likely to commit crime. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- WHAT????!?!?!?!?!?!? in what way has the destruction of the livelihoods of people because they didn't follow the govt. line been vindicated? -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Don Capps [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:11:11 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war! -Caveat Lector- From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hear the march of McCarthyism coming this way. Are you a real American? Give me a break! More leftist claptrap. And disinformation as well. Time has vindicated McCarthy. DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Left - Right Lobbies Fight Loss Of Rights
-Caveat Lector- Attacks Shift Balance of Power, Alliances Among Interest Groups By Thomas B. Edsall Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, September 19, 2001; Page A06 (SNIP) The calls for an expansion of government surveillance and search powers have united elements of the left and right in opposition. The Senate has already passed legislation making warrants for electronic computer searches easier to obtain, and the administration is preparing a package of proposals that could include encryption restrictions, extended use of facial recognition technology, and facilitated search warrants in terrorism investigations and other matters. The liberal Leadership Conference on Civil Rights and the American Civil Liberties Union and such conservative groups as the Free Congress Foundation and the Gun Owners of America are expected to hold a news conference tomorrow to declare their concerns that increased surveillance initiatives would invade privacy. Separately, the Coalition for Constitutional Liberties, an alliance of 99 conservative groups from right-to-life organizations to property rights groups, warned in a statement: Our most basic and fundamental freedoms are under attack unlike any time since the Revolutionary Era. Among the issues the coalition will engage: wiretapping, encryption, biometric identification technology, government surveillance and the development of national databases. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Don Capps [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:39:33 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war! OK. For a primer, read this article. However...beware. Big words and impeccable logic are used... Oh good, a personal attack, that really shows intelligence and impeccable logic. Why does this article completely ignore the 150+ writers actors directors, etc in Hollywood who were blacklisted and unable to work, because of political beliefs they may have held, or explored, or perhaps just didn't denounce? the article also rests on the assumption that anyone who for any reason ever held any socialist or communist ideas, leanings, or connections was an absolute risk to th4e American government. It ignores that during the depression it seemed to many that some sort socialism would help ease the pain of what was going on. Many of these, had turned away from this as it became clearer what Stalinist Russia, and then china were like. In America we are supposed to have room for differing view points, and not keep people from jobs because their viewpoint is not in line with the prevailing viewpoint of the government. -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More McCarthy...
-Caveat Lector- McCarthyism: Insult or Compliment? On February 20th, Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, under fire from critics for his ethically questionable activities relating to the sale and subsequent financing of an inn that he once owned, struck back by comparing the criticism to a witch hunt. Invoking the specter of McCarthyism, he said of Tory leader Joe Clark: He has started as Joe Who. Now, he's perhaps Joe McCarthy. Chrétien obviously intended it as an insult, but as Canada's National Post for February 22nd reported, according to academics, being labeled a 'Joseph McCarthy' . can now be considered a compliment. Post reporter Siobhan Roberts quoted Geoffrey Smith, a professor of American history at Queen's University in Kingston, as saying: Many of McCarthy's allegations have been proven by recent historians to have more substance than we thought they did in the late 1940s and early 1950s. And noted American author M. Stanton Evans, who is currently working on a book about McCarthy scheduled for publication next year, told Roberts that people who stand up and start yelling McCarthyism, first of all know zero about McCarthy, and are probably trying to change the subject from the substance of the charges against them. That is the intention: to divert attention from any substantial criticism toward this extraneous emotional slogan. Additional evidence that McCarthy had accurately called the shots surfaced in 1996 with the release of documents from Soviet archives and our National Security Agency. As summarized by Scripps Howard News Service at the time, McCarthy and other anti-Communist activists weren't too far wrong about the extensive Soviet penetration of U.S. government agencies in the 1940s Transcripts of cables sent by KGB agents to Moscow in 1944 and 1945 were intercepted by U.S. cryptoanalysts and indicate that more than 100 Soviet agents had infiltrated the State Department, Justice Department, War Department, Treasury Department and even the Office of Strategic Services, the precursor of the CIA. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] bin laden trained at ft benning?
-Caveat Lector- Fund raiser and financier seem to me to be euphemisms for drug money launderer. When the news says bin Laden was trained in covert operations, that means he learned how to reinvest drug profits into legitimate enterprises like real estate, construction, and communications infrastructure. That's why he's protected in his homeland; he helps create jobs, roads, bridges, factories--all the things our government promises to deliver to the American people. The battle is over who owns the poppy fields and how to split up the profits. It's reminiscent of the turf wars in Chicago at the peak of prohibition of alcohol. -Original Message- From: Samantha L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] bin laden trained at ft benning? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 10:55:07 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: anyone have any info on this? (from a message board: http://www.unknowncountry.com/board/): In the text of Linda Moulton Howe's recent report, Who is Osama bin Laden and What Does He Want? there is no mention of the US CIA's role in helping create the Osama bin Laden we are faced with today. There is no mention of this in Whitley's most recent journal article either. This CIA funding, arming and training has not been a secret, so why is it being overlooked? Linda's report says: During the 1980s, Osama bin Laden was an aggressive fund raiser to provide the mujahedeen freedom fighters whatever aid and military equipment he could. By 1988, he established his now-famous organization, Al Qaeda, to provide more military muscle and financing to the Afghan resistance. - An aggressive fundraiser? Is that what Saddam Hussein was when we were funding him in his struggle against Iran? That's certainly funny way of putting it. Does anyone see a pattern here? The US builds up vicious leaders who oppose our Enemies Du Jour and these same leaders turn around and become our worst enemies. We conveniently forget that the US has backed (if not outright created) some of the most despicable regimes in history. --- http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4257158,00.html Blowback chronicles Giles Foden Saturday September 15, 2001 During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, US officials passed billions in funding and training to the mojahedin. The CIA, in particular while under the direction of William Casey - head of the agency during the Reagan administration - was the main manager of these operations. With the Russian withdrawal in 1989, the CIA celebrated its victory with champagne. So says Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism (Pluto Press, £12.99), the definitive account by ABC journalist John Cooley. and: Cooley points out that while the State Department released a fact sheet on bin Laden in 1997 (the year prior to the bombing of the East African embassies), the document omits the background facts which help to explain how early and close were his connections in the United States - making it easier for the Reagan-Casey jihad team to enlist his talents and his fortune. and: Everyone was getting along famously, according to Cooley. Delighted by his impeccable Saudi credentials, the CIA gave Osama free rein in Afghanistan, as did Pakistan's intelligence generals. - From an MSNBC article: http://www.msnbc.com/local/pencilnews/158716.asp But in 1979, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight in Afghanistan. He fought on the side of the mujaheddin, which were right-wing Islamic troops who fought against the Soviet invasion and puppet government. The mujaheddin was backed by a number of countries, including the United States. In fact, some experts believe that bin Laden received some training from the CIA. - and http://www.msnbc.com/news/627355.asp Osama bin Laden, one-time ally of the CIA in the war against the Soviet army in Afghanistan, is now the primary suspect in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the most deadly terrorist assaults in U.S. history. - http://www.indiaabroaddaily.com/2001/03/06/06taliban.html 'CIA worked with Pak to create Taliban' Sanjay Suri, London March 06, 2001 11:40 Hrs (IST) THE CENTRAL Intelligence Agency (CIA) worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the monster that is today Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, a leading US expert on South Asia said here. I warned them that we were creating a monster, Selig Harrison from the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars said at the conference here last week on Terrorism and Regional Security: Managing the Challenges in Asia. Harrison said: The CIA made a historic mistake in encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan. The US provided $3 billion for building up these Islamic groups, and it accepted Pakistan's demand that they should decide how this money should be spent, Harrison said. - No genuine
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why does this article completely ignore the 150+ writers actors directors, etc in Hollywood who were blacklisted and unable to work, because of political beliefs they may have held, or explored, or perhaps just didn't denounce? This brings up a frequently heard allegation from the left. But I'm interested in answers to the following. Who was blacklisted and why? And then...an even bigger question...by whom? Are you telling us that Sen. McCarthy and friends kept these people from getting work in Hollywood? That's a stretch my friend...leftist urban folk tales to the contrary notwithstanding. Let's place the blame right where it belongs, on the Hollywood elite themselves. Those blacklisted (if in fact they were) could not get work because the directors/producers/studio owners would not hire them. Not because Joe McCarthy circulated some commie shitlist. You know...it's funny to me. When the left is in decline and disfavor in our nation, they moan and cry and whine about wanting a place at the table. The right is then charicatured as biased and discriminatory. But when the left is in ascendancy, all such talk evaporates and their agenda is pursued with a relentless fervor and they will destroy anyone who stands in their way. McCarthy is such a convenient whipping boy. But character assassination and so-called blacklisting are a way of life for the left. DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Inconsistancies with media reporting on Islam
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 8:06:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a source for this? My memory, an arab christian I know and a Serbain I know. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] bin laden trained at ft benning?
-Caveat Lector- From: Linda Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:31:13 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] bin laden trained at ft benning? -Caveat Lector- Fund raiser and financier seem to me to be euphemisms for drug money launderer. When the news says bin Laden was trained in covert operations, that means he learned how to reinvest drug profits into legitimate enterprises like real estate, construction, and communications infrastructure. That's why he's protected in his homeland; he helps create jobs, roads, bridges, factories--all the things our government promises to deliver to the American people. our current govt only promises 300 dollars in your pocket, and a free hand to corporations The battle is over who owns the poppy fields and how to split up the profits. It's reminiscent of the turf wars in Chicago at the peak of prohibition of alcohol. That battle is still being waged. Free your mind and your ass will follow. St George NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] September 11...(5)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 9:25:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh brother. Here we go. Possible nuclear war with just WHO Steve??? A bunch of Afghani herdsmen with AK-47's? Please. Granted, great guerilla fighters they may be. But nuclear capability? C'mon. That's a stretch, even by the incredibly credulous standards of the CTRL! We said. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Wake Up America - Alternative News
-Caveat Lector- from: http://hardtruth.topcities.com/wake_up_america.html Click Here: A HREF=http://hardtruth.topcities.com/wake_up_america.html; Wake Up America - Alternative News/A - Banner Exchange Powered By Christ / David Icke / Freemasonry Watch / Light 1998 / Forbidden Knowledge / Boyden Web / Freedom Chronicles / Alterna Mind / Human Underground / Phenomenon / The Big Picture / Alien Joes / Mathaba Net / New Chemtrail Central / New Return of the Nephilim The first casualty of war is the truth Ancient Proverb If I'm smart enough to sneak around and learn to fly a plane to get me and all my friends enough false I.D. to board us airplanes to get me and all my friends through metal detectors and past security guards while hiding weapons to make an entire plane load of people afraid of my box-cutter I doubt I would be stupid enough to leave all the evidence behind in a rental car unless I wanted you to think I was something that I'm not by LexM Sept. 18, 2001 * British warplanes strike southern Iraqi missile site; no casualties reported * Revenge of the NWO 9-11 By Kris Millegan * Still Don't Believe In The New World Order? We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995) IF YOU'RE NOT PARANOID THEN YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION! * Destruction of the Trade Centers: Occult Symbolism Indicates Enemies Within Our Own Government * INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE ON THE U.S. CONSPIRACY * Farrakhan Warns of Armageddon if U.S. Retaliates * National Guard preps members for worst Sept. 17, 2001 * All Big CEOs was out of the office (Warned) * RED ALERT: GOD'S FINAL WARNING Is this God's final warning to America? * Operation Garden Plot The United States Civil Disturbance Plan 55 * Concern that push for retaliation has given one man too much power * Who Is Osama Bin Laden? * The CIA, Contras, Gangs, and Crack * THE GW BUSH--OSAMA BIN LADIN CONNECTION * Dow Plummets More Than 470 Points * Military now a presence on home front Pretext to Martial Law? Sept. 16, 2001 * BUSH WAR THREATS BASED ON ANOTHER MORE DANGEROUS AGENDA * BIBLE PROPHESIES THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW! Reposted by Request * Iron Mountain Report: The Governments Bloodgames This function of war is put in a way very degrading to man. It starts out in paragraph one with, Man, like all other animals. Man is brought down to the level of beasts. * Fake Acts of Terrorism Planned by U.S. Government Officials so we Could Invade Cuba * Afghanistan Will be the Testing Ground for America's Super Weapons Just as Was Vietnam * The enemy is very much within: AF Intel source: pro-Bush gov't factions 'absolutely' behind Tuesday's mass devastation! Sept. 15, 2001 * Special Report From Pam Schuffert Concerning the New York Twin Towers Disaster, and it's Implications for America and Coming Martial Law * US special forces 'land in Pakistan' Newspapers in Pakistan say foreign troops have already arrived in the country * CNN using 1991 Footage of Palestinians Celebrating the Invasion of Kuwait * The Militarization Of Earth * National Emergency Declared * EXPLOSIVES EXPERT SAYS WTC WAS ALSO BOMBED * SAILOR WARNED FAMILY FROM AIRCRAFT CARRIER Call from US Carrier PROVES government had prior knowledge!! * SOURCE SAYS SENIOR SPANISH DIPLOMAT BREAKS SILENCE Bush knew a massive terrorist attack would be launched against targets in the United States. Sept. 14, 2001 * FAKE TERROR - THE ROAD TO DICTATORSHIP * COVERT ACTIVITIES AND COVER-UPS MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF * A Concise Compendium of Past Cover-ups * FEMA Executive Orders Some say this is the Secret Government * Here It Is: The Police State Pushes for Total Control Experts say biometric technology could help... * SOME HOME TRUTHS ABOUT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER DISASTER FROM AN AMERICAN WHO CAN SEE BEYOND THE VEIL - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] Fwd: FBI CIA knew ahead of time.
they were informed but let it happen. MOSSAD TOLD them, too. Here: read. Copyright 2001 The Jerusalem Post The Jerusalem Post September 17, 2001, Monday SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 3 LENGTH: 391 words HEADLINE: Mossad warned CIA of attacks - report BYLINE: Douglas Davis BODY: LONDON - Mossad officials traveled to Washington last month to warn the CIA and the FBI that a cell of up to 200 terrorists was planning a major operation, according to a report in the Sunday Telegraph here yesterday. The paper said the Israeli officials specifically warned their counterparts in Washington that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent. They offered no specific information about targets, but they did link the plot to Afghanistan-based terrorist Osama bin Laden, and they told the Americans there were strong grounds for suspecting Iraqi involvement. A US administration official told the paper that it was quite credible that the CIA did not heed the Mossad warning: It has a history of being over-cautious about Israeli information. But the official noted that if this is true, then the refusal to take it seriously will mean heads will roll. In another development, the Sunday Times reported that an account at a branch of Barclays Bank in the London district of Notting Hill was used by a suspected bin Laden lieutenant to finance and disseminate Bin Laden's fatwas (religious rulings) and to maintain contacts with various elements in bin Laden's global network. The account was held by Saudi dissident Khalid al- Fawwaz, who is currently being held in custody awaiting the outcome of extradition proceedings to the United States on charges of conspiring with bin Laden to murder Americans. The Barclays account is understood to form part of a web of bank accounts and front companies used by bin Laden to underwrite his Al Qaida terror network. Court documents link Fawwaz to a Bin Laden fatwa calling for the death of American civilians anywhere in the world they can be found, which was faxed directly to him by Bin Laden. Fawwaz was personally appointed by bin Laden to set up and run the London-based Advice and Reformation Committee. The organization was ostensibly dedicated to war-relief work, but British and US officials now believe it was in fact a component in Bin Laden's terror network. Fawwaz is also thought to have been directly involved in the terrorist cell that perpetrated the simultaneous bombings of the US embassies in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi in 1998. More than 200 people died in those attacks. -- This following article suggests that the US takes a war on drugs seriously. This is not true. It did not make a single move against the Burmese military junta when it had the chance, at the recent Opium Olympiad wherein the UNSCounsil awarded an Olympic Truce and allowed the junta not only to send an apartheid team to the Games. But also provifde the host nation with almost 90% of its heroin. Australia has a major heroin problems, and also a problem with its bent parliamentarians?? US CA: Column: Bush's Faustian Deal With The Taliban Copyright: 2001 Los Angeles Times Author: Robert Scheer Note: Robert Scheer Is a Syndicated Columnist. BUSH'S FAUSTIAN DEAL WITH THE TALIBAN Enslave your girls and women, harbor anti-U.S. terrorists, destroy every vestige of civilization in your homeland, and the Bush administration will embrace you. All that matters is that you line up as an ally in the drug war, the only international cause that this nation still takes seriously. That's the message sent with the recent gift of $43 million to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, the most virulent anti-American violators of human rights in the world today. The gift, announced last Thursday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, in addition to other recent aid, makes the U.S. the main sponsor of the Taliban and rewards that rogue regime for declaring that opium growing is against the will of God. So, too, by the Taliban's estimation, are most human activities, but it's the ban on drugs that catches this administration's attention. Never mind that Osama bin Laden still operates the leading anti-American terror operation from his base in Afghanistan, from which, among other crimes, he launched two bloody attacks on American embassies in Africa in 1998. Sadly, the Bush administration is cozying up to the Taliban regime at a time when the United Nations, at U.S. insistence, imposes sanctions on Afghanistan because the Kabul government will not turn over Bin Laden. The war on drugs has become our own fanatics' obsession and easily trumps all other concerns. How else could we come to reward the Taliban, who has subjected the female half of the Afghan population to a continual reign of terror in a country once considered enlightened in its treatment of women. At no point in modern history
Re: [CTRL] US Military Stategy Takes Shape
-Caveat Lector- It's likely that the decision not to disable navigation aids was taken out of concern that doing so would merely shift the danger from deliberate to accidental causes. We don't know how the decision was reached, whether by refusing to implement the required response to an Air Defense Emergency, or simply by declining to declare one; but in any case we have another fine example of a self-destructive regulation. There's irony in having an emergency procedure on the books which can't be implemented safely. SCATANA is a cold-war fossil which has advantage only when the attack promises to do more damage than the inevitable accidents the procedure will invite -- say when nuclear-armed bombers are racing towards North America. Too bad no one thought to update it when the cold war ended. Well said! Sad...but true. And we are so often reactionary rather than proactive. DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Continuing Commentary on the WTC Attacks
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Continuing Commentary on the WTC Attacks David McGowan http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com September 16, 2001 Nothing just happens in politics. If something happens you can be sure it was planned that way. Franklin Delano Roosevelt It seems as though more people have been watching the Discovery Channel than the planners of the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon may have accounted for. A good number of people are questioning exactly why the collapse of the towers looked so much like a controlled implosion. Anyone who has seen a documentary clip of a building being professionally demolished using explosive charges couldn't help but be struck by the remarkable similarity. One demolition and explosives expert from New Mexico has already gone public with his suspicions that the building was deliberately imploded. Architects and engineers who designed the building were at a loss to explain how it could react in such a manner. One expert, prompted by his interviewer to comment on if more steel in the structure could have prevented the tragedy, could only say that it was hard to imagine how any more steel could have been incorporated into any structure. And it was, as we all know, not just one tower that literally crumbled before our very eyes, but both of them in identical fashion. As I myself was pondering that rather curious fact, I stumbled upon yet another article giving a first-person report on the tragedy. This particular account concerned an architecture student, who viewed the unfolding drama from across the bay. Some of his first thoughts - after the buildings had been struck, but before they disappeared - were that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to fight a fire at that height, and that it would without question be impossible to repair the damaged building. He found himself pondering what would become of the imposing towers, being no longer fit to be occupied. And then, of course, they just sort of vanished. Suddenly the plan began to come into focus. The initial crashes and explosions, which were essential for the shock value of being so utterly audacious, would necessarily destroy the buildings. It would have therefore been necessary, at some time in the future, to implode the buildings. Why not then include it as part of the show? It seems a little odd that the period of time that elapsed between the suicide bombings and the implosions appears to have been just about the amount of time that it took to evacuate the buildings. That could account for why the casualty figures have been, assuming that they are being accurately reported, remarkably low. It could also account for why the first tower to crumble was not the first one hit. According to claims made by some avenues of the media, the collapses were the result of the structures being weakened by the fires, with the upper stories essentially pancaking down upon the buildings and the underlying floors giving way to the collective weight of the chain reaction. But if this were true, wouldn't it be expected that the first tower hit, which had been burning for nearly twenty minutes longer, would be the first to collapse? Of course, it would also be expected that the second tower, having the benefit of beginning evacuation twenty minutes before utter chaos reigned, would be the first to be emptied out. Quite a lucky break then that it was the first to fall. To stir up as much outrage as possible, it was of course necessary to get footage of the crashes themselves, as well as the implosions, although it seems a little odd that the first crash was recorded so professionally, as if someone was waiting for it camera in hand. That footage, of course, has incalculable propaganda value. Propaganda is certainly something that we have seen a lot of in the last week. The sheer volume of, and the monotony of, the media coverage has been astounding. Every station across the television dial playing the same footage and providing the same unquestioning commentary continuously, around the clock, from the moment the first plane hit the tower. The media barrage is unavoidable. Absurdly large headlines scream out from every newspaper and magazine, and every radio station seems to sound the same. There is no escape. And there is likely a reason for that. Somewhere in the halls of power, there just may be an awareness that the official story of the 'terrorist' attacks isn't very convincing. It isn't by chance that there is nothing else to be found on the television dial beyond images of planes crashing into buildings. It was reported on Saturday that the networks had been demonstrating what was said to be an unusually high level of cooperation during this crisis. They've actually been talking amongst themselves to decide how long the bombardment of the national consciousness should go on. It has likely been deemed necessary to
[CTRL] Huh?
From: "Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Don Capps since you are into music pilfering, surely you know the oldsongskind of like the story of Benhadad in the bible?The mindless babbling continues. Hey! Turn off Web TV and go out and getsome fresh air. That brain needs some oxygen.DC
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: NewsHawk on 911 9-19-2001
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/zgSolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TOP_VIEW) 9.18.01 Bin Laden: 'It wasn't me' - and it may be true Funny, I seem to remember this same guy initially getting blamed for the OKC bombing. But it wasn't him. Now, after a week of hurling accusations, Feds admit they have absolutely nothing solid linking bin Laden to the WTC and Pentagon devastation. It's deja vu all over again. Obviously, the gutter slime of the BushMob needed a war to salvage their disaster-bound, doomed Titanic of an Administration. - - - - - - - - Bin Laden Denies Role In Attack - He And Family Go Into Hiding By Luke Harding and Rory McCarthy in Islamabad Brian Whitaker and Richard Norton-Taylor The Guardian - London 9-17-1 Osama bin Laden has abandoned his main base near Kandahar in fear of attack by the US and has moved to an undisclosed location in the mountains, sources in the Afghan city said last night. The Saudi-born dissident's large family, together with his Arab followers, has also left the city, the sources added. His four wives and many children have taken refuge in the countryside, according to reports. Bin Laden and his men have apparently moved to one of their many hideouts in a remote part of the country. His decision to vacate the southern Afghan city was not only for his personal security, but to reduce the chances of civilian casualties in case of an attack, his aides said. In a statement faxed to the pro-Taliban Afghan Islamic Press (AIP) agency, Bin Laden yesterday denied having anything to do with last week's attacks in New York and Washington. I am residing in Afghanistan. I have taken an oath of allegiance [to the Taliban's spiritual leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar] which does not allow me to do such things from Afghanistan, he claimed. We have been blamed in the past, but we were not involved, he said. The fax, written in Arabic, was sent from a secret location, AIP said. In the past, Bin Laden has shifted base whenever there has been any threat of American retaliation, most recently last October after the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen, in which 17 sailors were killed. He has several main bases inside Afghanistan - a large camp next to Kandahar airport, where several hundred of his Arab followers live, a smaller base in the Oruzgan mountains and a third camp near the south- eastern city of Jalalabad, cut into a rockface. But he is also believed to have a network of smaller hideouts, many of which were used by the mojahedin in the 1980s in their guerrilla war against Soviet troops. Afghanistan is a large country with mountains, deserts and remote valleys. One source said that Bin Laden had the choice of many isolated and secure sanctuaries, adding: There are plenty of places to hide. Locating him is only one problem that the Bush administration faces. The US vice-president, Dick Cheney, said yesterday that he had no doubt that Bin Laden was the prime suspect, but proving that he had directly instigated or funded last week's attacks on the US was likely to be another matter. Although no evidence linking Bin Laden to the attacks has been disclosed, reports yesterday linked one of the suspected hijackers to the suicide bomb attack on USS Cole. Newsweek and the Los Angeles Times said that Khalid al-Midhar, who died in the crash at the Pentagon, had earlier been captured by a surveillance video meeting one of the Cole suspects in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. But despite strong suspicions that Bin Laden was behind the attack on the warship in Aden, no specific evidence of his role has emerged. One of the most tantalising pointers is that Abdul al-Muhsin al- Taifi, named as one of the two suicide bombers in Yemen, was wanted for questioning about the 1998 bombing of the American embassy in Nairobi, for which Bin Laden has also been blamed. British intelligence sources say that Bin Laden's sympathisers have no formal structure, making it extremely difficult to penetrate his al-Qaida organisation or to find hard evidence against it. It is an informal network which crosses international boundaries, one source said. The members do not see themselves as a part of a group and, unlike the IRA and other terrorist groups, they do not operate in cells. Rather they are a collection of individuals inspired by Bin Laden, the intelligence sources added. http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,553144,00.html * 9.18.01 NY, DC attacks likely inside job, as Reichstag fire was ! - Moscow Times -- There is, however, one analogy that does not seem to have occurred to anyone: the burning of
[CTRL] Double Huh?
From: "Kris Millegan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is Bush's watch get over it. Yes, they should have been challengedimmediately. Whine about something new and you pay the price. They aresupposed to be the defenders. The targets were undefended on purpose.Oh please. Does rationality enter the picture here at all? C'monpeople...these are groundless allegations which you are asking those of uswho are skeptics to accept "just because you say so" without any hardevidence to back it up. And when we question you or call you on it, you growdefensive."The targets were undefended." "How do you know this?" "Because no oneintercepted the planes." "But there could be other explanations." "Such as?""Well...perhaps it all happened so fast and was so unexpected that by thetime we reacted it was too little too late." "Nope, that can't be it.""Why?" "Because the targets were undefended." And on and on the circularlogic goes.You know, sad to say, but the outlandish paranoia of many people whoresearch conspiracy theories is the very fodder which the leftists use intheir smear campaign against all who sound a warning against globalism andthe NWO. This kind of insane reasoning is what leads thinking people tobroadbrush the entire patriot movement, labeling us "a bunch of loonies". Isthere no end to this?DC
[CTRL] Did We Handcuff the CIA? - The national security hawks say yes. The CIA says no
-Caveat Lector- from: http://slate.msn.com/pol/01-09-18/pol.asp Click Here: A HREF=http://slate.msn.com/pol/01-09-18/pol.asp;Did We Handcuff the CIA? - The national securit /A - Don't Worry About Wiretapping Yet Phony Politicking for the CIA Dispatch From a Divided Europe 162 Songs You Won't Hear on the Radio Did We Handcuff the CIA? The national security hawks say yes. The CIA says no. By David Corn Posted Tuesday, Sept. 18, 2001, at 12:30 p.m. PT Before the remains of the World Trade Center had even cooled, national security hawks took to the airwaves to blame CIA reforms for the failure of the intelligence community to detect and prevent the attack. We were basically spying with one arm tied behind our back, said R. James Woolsey, CIA chief in the early 1990s, on CNN's Late Edition With Wolf Blitzer , citing 1995 CIA guidelines that regulate the recruitment of sources who have a history of criminal activity and human-rights violations. These restrictive limitations on not being able to recruit people who have some violence in their past as spies were ridiculous. On Crossfire, Woolsey claimed these regulations make it difficult to penetrate terrorists. ... It's like telling the FBI to penetrate the Mafia without putting any criminals on its payrolls. Ambassador Paul Bremer, who chaired a national commission on terrorism, chimed in, telling CNN that the Church Committee, the Senate panel that investigated CIA misdeeds in the 1970s, did a lot of damage to our intelligence services. ... And the more recent problem was that the previous administration put into effect guidelines which restricted the ability of CIA agents to go after ... terrorist spies. President George Bush the First, a past CIA chief, and Vice President Dick Cheney concurred. Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, the ranking Republican on the intelligence committee, blasted the regulations and demanded that the country take the wraps off the spies. The Senate took steps to do just that last Thursday by passing The Combating Terrorism Act of 2001, part of which instructs the CIA to rescind the 1995 guidelines. But despite all the vamping, removing the guidelines won't help the United States wage its new war on terrorism. And there's no indication the CIA even wants the rules lifted. The 1995 guidelines were written after the press revealed that a thuggish Guatemalan military official, who had been involved in the murder of an American hotelier and the torture and murder of a rebel leader married to an American, was on the CIA payroll. (By the way, the agency had withheld information from Congress about its relationship with this killer.) The guidelines have never been made public, but CIA officials have described them to Hill staffers and intelligence-watchers. The rules compel CIA case officers to notify headquarters when they recruit a violent brute as a source, and they require the recruitment be reviewed at a senior level. But they don't prohibit the CIA from working with terrorists to discover what terrorists are doing. CIA case officers are free to seek and pay informants within terrorist outfits. They merely have to alert supervisors back home and receive a go-ahead. The fuss about these guidelines is totally a bunch of hooey, says one government employee familiar with the rules (who cannot be identified any further). They do not forbid anything. In June 2000, CIA spokesman Bill Harlow denied that the guidelines unduly restricted the agency: The notion that our human rights guidelines are an impediment to fighting terrorism is simply wrong. No one knows better than we do that when combating terrorism it is often necessary to deal with unsavory individuals. But we do so with eyes wide open and appropriate notification to senior officials. Harlow noted that the CIA has never, ever turned down a request to use someone, even someone with a record of human rights abuses, if we thought that person could be valuable in our overall counterterrorism program. Last year, the CIA did not back an effort in Congress to kill these rules, which can be rescinded by the CIA director or the president without the passage of legislation. While the hawks argue the guidelines discourage risk-taking in the field, the rules may well enhance derring-do. A case officer who recruits a terrorist as a source under the guidelines is protected from a reprimand from above if the terrorist takes part in, say, a bombing plot. Penetrations of tightly knit secret organizations, a task that the agency has never done well, won't be improved by erasing the guidelines. Those who blame the current crisis on intelligence reformers deceive the public by falsely raising expectationsjust get rid of these pesky rules, and the CIA will be inside Osama Bin Laden's tent. And, more importantly, all their huffing distracts the nation from the actual intelligence failures that preceded Sept. 11. Flags of Our FathersBarnes Noble Join The Fray What did you
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/01 6:36:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] WHAT????!?!?!?!?!?!? in what way has the destruction of the livelihoods of people because they didn't follow the govt. line been vindicated? OK. For a primer, read this article. However...beware. Big words and impeccable logic are used... You are still caught-up in the hegelian bs. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Blacklisted!
-Caveat Lector- Why Hollywood Hates Kazan by John F. McManus On March 21st, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences will present an honorary Academy Award to 89-year-old Elia Kazan, one of the most legendary film directors to ply his trade in Hollywood. Already the recipient of Oscars for directing Gentleman's Agreement and On the Waterfront, Kazan certainly doesn't need any further recognition. Yet, certain that its decision would provoke opposition, the 39-member Academy board decided unanimously in January that Kazan should also be given a Lifetime Achievement award. Why controversy over an award for this immigrant Greek-American? Simply because on April 10, 1952, Kazan testified before the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HCUA) about his knowledge of the Communist Party membership of eight former comrades. In the 1930s, Kazan was a member of a Communist Party theatrical cell whose goals at the time ran from heaping praise on the Soviet Union to adoration for Stalin and the Soviet Union's worker's paradise. His fellow Hollywood Reds also worked aggressively to stifle production of anti-Communist films and to harm the careers of the industry's opponents of Communism. In 1935, Kazan fully grasped the harm of all this activity and he left the Party. It was 17 years later when he was asked to identify those he knew from the past who had never severed their Communist affiliations. Kazan's testimony offered no new information, but merely confirmed what HCUA had already learned about his former colleagues. But immediately after cooperating with the House investigators, Kazan placed an advertisement in the New York Times to explain why he had done what the Communists and other leftists considered dark treachery. In the ad, Kazan pointed out that Communism was a dangerous and alien conspiracy, and he urged liberals to speak out about it. Had he expressed disagreement with Communism and merely characterized it an unfortunate mistake, it is likely that little would have been made of his naming names. Others had similarly defected and had never suffered the vilification Kazan received. But having labeled the Communist dominance over Hollywood the work of a conspiracy, a word that emphatically connotes deliberate evildoing, he became the target of decades of hatred from the Marxist left. In 1988, Kazan's memoirs were published under the title A Life. Recalling his 1952 decision to cooperate with the HCUA, he wrote: Wasn't what I'd been defending up until now by my silence a conspiracy working for another country? He knew that Communists at every opportunity had defended Stalin's purges, ignored the forced famine in Ukraine, excused the USSR's pact with Nazi Germany, and acclaimed other inhuman aspects of the Soviet experiment. Kazan refused to regard these Communists as mere civil libertarians who had a right to think what they wanted and say what they believed. In the end, he concluded: I believed that this committee, which everyone scorned - I had plenty against them too - had a proper duty. I wanted to help break open the secrecy. Because he was a highly regarded film and theatrical producer, Kazan's cooperation gave the House investigators a degree of legitimacy during a period when they were being widely attacked. Not surprisingly, he continues even now to be identified as a participant in the work of Senator Joseph McCarthy, an impossibility inasmuch as he supplied information to a House committee and McCarthy, a senator, had absolutely no involvement with its work. Nor did Elia Kazan have anything to do with the Hollywood Ten blacklisting that occurred during the late 1940s. That effort also resulted from the work of HCUA, but the committee didn't blacklist anyone. In November 1947, a statement agreed to by 50 top officials of the Motion Picture Association of America announced that their industry would not knowingly employ a Communist or a member of any party or group which advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States The Hollywood Ten was a group of motion picture writers and directors who had defied the House committee and were summarily cited for contempt of Congress for refusing to answer questions about their Communist connections. But those ten were far from the only Hollywood luminaries who had put their talents to work subverting America with pro-Communist films. There were hundreds more, some of whom fled to Europe to produce their propaganda, and many more who continued their work under assumed names. By 1960, so-called blacklisting was a thing of the past, and nearly everyone went happily back to work. Nearly all, that is, except Kazan and other opponents of Communism, who ended up victims of the never-broken leftist control over Hollywood. Kazan became a non-person to most of Hollywood's elite and his talent was never tapped to the extent that other less-gifted colleagues have enjoyed. The awarding of an honorary Oscar to Kazan by no means
[CTRL] Anti-Taleban faction sides with Bin Laden (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum, Anti-Taleban faction sides with Bin Laden By Jim Muir in Tehran http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1551000/1551297.stm A leading figure in Afghanistan's anti-Taleban opposition, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, has said the Americans are wrong to blame Osama Bin Laden for the attacks in New York and Washington. Speaking to the BBC, Mr Hekmatyar said the Americans had no right to attack Afghanistan. He warned that if they did, his and other groups would fight against them. Mr Hekmatyar and his Hizb-e Eslami party were major players in the struggle to end the Soviet occupation of the country and in the subsequent power struggle between rival Afghan factions before the Taleban practically swept the board in the mid-1990s. Since then he has been based in Iran, though he retains some pockets of influence in northern Afghanistan. National loyalty first But now, far from cheering the Americans on against the Taleban, he says Washington is making a big mistake. Mr Hekmatyar said he had no reason not to believe Bin Laden's denial of involvement in the New York and Washington attacks. He said the Americans had no justification for an attack on Afghanistan in which the Afghan people would be the victims. He made it clear that if the Americans staged an invasion and tried to install a friendly regime, his and other groups would return to Afghanistan and oppose them. New unity I think if Afghanistan is attacked by America, then our nation has no other choice but to defend their country... The whole of our nation will stand against the attack on their country and... we will go and join our nation, Mr Hekmatyar said. The Afghan opposition is notoriously fragmented. But Mr Hekmatyar said that if the Americans staged a major operation, as he believed they would, they would succeed in uniting the Afghan factions against them in the same way as the Soviets did. And he believed that the US would be no more successful than the Soviets were in imposing their will on the country. If nothing else, Mr Hekmatyar's warning served as a reminder of the dangerous vacuum and likely chaos that would ensue if the Taleban regime were to be driven out. ININ List Archives Found Here: http://www.egroups.com/messages/inin TO SUBSCRIBE: To subscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type: subscribe inin-net TO UNSUBSCRIBE: To unsubscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type in: unsubscribe inin-net ISLAMIC NEWS AND INFORMATION NETWORK: HTTP://WWW.ININ.NET VISIT: HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE DEFINING APARTHEID Article 2 of the International Convention of the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of 1973 clearly defined the term crime of apartheid. This includes similar policies and practices of segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which also apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a racial group from full development of their political, social, economic and cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
Re: [CTRL] Double Huh?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/01 8:54:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, sad to say, but the outlandish paranoia of many people who research conspiracy theories is the very fodder which the leftists use in their smear campaign against all who sound a warning against globalism and the NWO. This kind of insane reasoning is what leads thinking people to broadbrush the entire patriot movement, labeling us a bunch of loonies. Is there no end to this? DC You may think what ever you think. You are wrong IMHO, get over it. You are also caught in the undending loop of a working hegelian dialectic. I guess you just can't see the logic of it. Go stand in your corner and whine . . . Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Double Huh?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/01 8:54:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: se no one intercepted the planes. But there could be other explanations. Such as? Well...perhaps it all happened so fast and was so unexpected that by the time we reacted it was too little too late. Nope, that can't be it. Why? Because the targets were undefended. And on and on the circular logic goes. If you cannot see it. . . . I have many other things to do than chit-chat with some stuck-in-the-mud who believes more that the right is always right than critical thinking. MHO Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton, the Ever-Clever Bastard
-Caveat Lector- Reprinted from NewsMax.com CIA Officials Reveal What Went Wrong â Clinton to Blame Christopher Ruddy Wednesday, Sept. 12, 2001 The worst, single most tragic day in the history of America has just passed. Tuesday more Americans likely died than all the casualties of the Battle of Antietam on Wednesday, Sept. 17, 1862. Already the media spin on yesterday's events is relentless. The talking heads are pushing several themes, including: * Now is not the time to point fingers at responsible parties in America, i.e., political figures like Clinton or our own security agencies. * The events of Tuesday are the worst-case scenario â the worst is over. * Osama bin Laden is the culprit. On these points of spin, the first one is baloney. Of course we need to find why our security failed. This is basic. And unless the big media are consulting a psychic better than the one I use, no one knows what the future days, weeks and months may yield. This is not the worst-case scenario. A worst-case scenario is a 25-megaton nuclear bomb detonated in New York or a full-scale attack against the U.S.! These should not be ruled out. These dangers can be avoided, we pray, but only if we stop listening to the media idiots that feed us a diet of blow-dried nonsense. Is Katie Couric going to say how bad she feels for the terrorists who were driven to these cowardly acts? It is the big media and the hack politicians that led us to this nightmarish day. Smart to Examine Who Failed Us We are Americans, so let's get our feet back on the ground and use common sense. The media say we shouldn't point fingers. (Funny, isn't it, how the media have spent 30 years pointing fingers at Richard Nixon for his alleged crimes, but when one of their liberal favorites is due for some blame, they feed us the mantras like Let's move on! and No time to point fingers!) Common sense, in fact, dictates that we need to critically examine the people who are to blame for this incident, both the perpetrators (and if you believe Osama bin Laden was the major mastermind behind this, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you) and the people we pay to protect us â that is, our national security agencies. Without question, these agencies failed miserably in preventing this sophisticated, wide-scale and coordinated attack against America. Intelligence Agencies Failed Miserably Tuesday I received an e-mail from a recently retired high-ranking CIA official. I will identify him as Harry: Here's what Harry said: ... Reacting effectively and justly to this [attack] makes us hugely dependent on intell [intelligence] capabilities that failed us miserably. This is an enormous liability, which we shall not be able to fix before we have to react. Payback time for the last eight years! He continued: There were clearly enormous failures here. This operation was ingenious in its simplicity, which would have limited the size (number of people, actions) of the operation and hence detectability. But it could not have been that small for at least a dozen men to hijack four carefully chosen aircraft (routes, fuel load) with carefully coordinated timing. And to get through security with knives big enough to subdue four relatively large crews. If the intell and security systems claim that this challenge is simply too hard for them, they have to be replaced, root and branch. Because this challenge is the challenge. It is now pretty self-evident that claims of reform and adjustment [at the intelligence agencies] to new realities that we've heard over the past eight years or so are hollow. Of course, it's obvious why the media doesn't want any finger pointing. Guess who ran the U.S. government and was responsible for our national security for the past eight years? Yes, you got it, Bill Clinton, Hillary's husband. Clinton Responsible for Unpreparedness The Clintons were supported vociferously by the media through the worst imaginable scandals. During that time I was one of the lead reporters opposing the Clintons. I was mocked and vilified by my colleagues for doing so. I said throughout that period that Bill Clinton's personal corruption was wholesale and mirrored how he was corrupting America's national security. I wrote articles and said repeatedly that America, sadly, may end up paying a heavy price for Bill Clinton and the major media's complicity. I don't believe the worst has passed with the incidents of today. We remain vulnerable and weak. Brutally, we witnessed our weakness today. During eight years, Clinton decimated America's military. Our forces were cut almost in half under his stewardship. Research and development on all new weapons systems were brought almost to a halt as other nations continued to build. Clinton destroyed nearly our entire arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons. Monsters like Saddam flourished as Clinton bombed aspirin factories, tent cities in
Re: [CTRL] Continuing Commentary on the WTC Attacks
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/01 10:50:59 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A steady stream of talking heads have taken to the airwaves to claim that no contingency plans were in place for such an attack. Despite decades of military planning for every possible type of attack on these shores, and despite hundreds of billions of dollars spent on air and civil defenses, no one - we are to believe - ever envisioned such an assault. Well Golly this sounds familiar. Bill Howard and/or DC, any comments? By the way, you two play off each other quite well. Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ctrl.org hacked!!!!! Comentaries on recent events wiped clean.
-Caveat Lector- Last night while I was sleeping my recent commentaries where wiped clean. All the files in the MilleganStews directory on ctrl.org were replaced with zero-byte files. All information on the pages was wiped clean. This action was started at 3.20 am and and by 3:21 all five files where erased. I have called my ISP and have received no call-back at this time. A question is who and why? Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ctrl.org hacked!!!!! Comentaries on recent events wiped clean.
-Caveat Lector- Which files exactly? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: 19 September 2001 17:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] ctrl.org hacked! Comentaries on recent events wiped clean. -Caveat Lector- Last night while I was sleeping my recent commentaries where wiped clean. All the files in the MilleganStews directory on ctrl.org were replaced with zero-byte files. All information on the pages was wiped clean. This action was started at 3.20 am and and by 3:21 all five files where erased. I have called my ISP and have received no call-back at this time. A question is who and why? Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. === = Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;A rchives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A === = To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AMER. FLAG BANNED ON NY CABLE CHANNEL 12
-Caveat Lector- NewsMax.com Wednesday Sept. 19, 2001; 12:41 p.m. EDT American Flag Banned on New York Cable Channel While most Americans can't get enough of Old Glory in the wake of last week's terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Cable News Channel 12 on New York's Long Island has actually banned the American flag from its airwaves. Our office is a newsroom and news people are committed to supplying objective information on events here and around the world, wrote Pat Dolan, News 12 news director, in a memo banning on-air-flag displays distributed to employees Sunday. Dolan became concerned when American flags began popping up in his newsroom and -- horrors -- even on the lapels of some of his anchors. Meanwhile all the other networks, both broadcast and cable, drench themselves in red, white and blue. We have to avoid giving a false impression that we lean one way or the other, said the news director, who's apparently trying to strike a balance between his fellow Americans and the terrorists who have vowed to kill them. In an interview with Long Island's Newsday, which reported News 12's flag ban in print editions only, Dolan admitted the move has angered some of his employees. We've had a few heated discussions. But he stuck to his guns. What we're trying to do is make clear that our guys can express their patriotism, but we don't want the flag to be associated with their daily activities as electronic journalists. Dolan called the on-air flag waving a real problem when war breaks out, explaining that he doesn't want his viewers to get the impression that we may subtly endorse what the government is doing. Subcribers to New York media giant Cablevision, which owns News 12 along with The Wiz, Radio City Music Hall, Madison Square Garden, the Knicks and the Rangers, will undoubtedly be interested to learn of Dolan's position. -- TO KEEP THE PEACE, KEEP YOUR PIECE! AB __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Expanding Cast
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr010919_ 1_n.shtml }}}Begin 19 September 2001 Who did it? Foreign Report presents an alternative view Israels military intelligence service, Aman, suspects that Iraq is the state that sponsored the suicide attacks on the New York Trade Center and the Pentagon in Washington. Directing the mission, Aman officers believe, were two of the worlds foremost terrorist masterminds: the Lebanese Imad Mughniyeh, head of the special overseas operations for Hizbullah, and the Egyptian Dr Ayman Al Zawahiri, senior member of Al-Qaeda and possible successor of the ailing Osama Bin Laden. The two men have not been seen for some time. Mughniyeh is probably the worlds most wanted outlaw. Unconfirmed reports in Beirut say he has undergone plastic surgery and is unrecognisable. Zawahiri is thought to be based in Egypt. He could be Bin Ladens chief representative outside Afghanistan. The Iraqis, who for several years paid smaller groups to do their dirty work, were quick to discover the advantages of Al-Qaeda. The Israeli sources claim that for the past two years Iraqi intelligence officers were shutt ling between Baghdad and Afghanistan, meeting with Ayman Al Zawahiri. According to the sources, one of the Iraqi intelligence officers, Salah Suleiman, was captured last October by the Pakistanis near the border with Afgh anistan. The Iraqis are also reported to have established strong ties with Imad Mughniyeh. Weve only got scraps of information, not the full picture, admits one intelligence source, but it was good enough for us to send a warning six weeks ago to our allies that an unprecedented massive terror attack was ex pected. One of our indications suggested that Imad Mughniyeh met with some of his dormant agents on secret trips to Germany. We believe that the operational brains behind the New-York attack were Mughniyeh and Zawahiri, w ho were probably financed and got some logistical support from the Iraqi Intelligence Service (SSO). Mughniyeh was the only one believed to have tried it before. On April 12th 1997, he was reported to be only two hours away from achieving the highest goal of any terrorist organisation (until last week): blowing up an Isr aeli El-Al airliner above Tel Aviv. A man carrying a forged British passport with the name Andrew Jonathan Neumann was in a Jerusalem hotel preparing a bomb he was supposed to take on board an El-Al flight leaving Israel, when it accidentally went off. Andrew Jonathan Neumann was very badly injured but strong enough to reveal later to the Israelis that he was not British but Lebanese, and that his operation was supposed to be a special g ift to Israel from Imad Mughniyeh. A psychopath Bin Laden is a schoolboy in comparison with Mughniyeh, says an Israeli who knows Mughniyeh . The guy is a genius, someone who refined the art of terrorism to its utmost level. We studied him and reached the conclusion that he is a clinical psychopath motivated by uncontrollable psychological reasons, which we have given up trying to understand. The killing of his two brothers by the Americans only inflamed his strong motivation. Experts on Iraq and Saddam Hussein also believe that Iraq was the state behind the two terror masterminds. In recent months, there was a change, and Iraq decided to get into the terror business. On July 7th, they tried f or the first time to send a suicide bomber, trained in Baghdad, to blow up Tel Aviv airport (Foreign Report No. 2651). Our sources believe that it will be very difficult to get to the bottom of this unprecedented terror operation. However, they believe the chief of the Iraqi SSO is Qusai Hussein, the dictators son, and his organisation i s the most likely to have been involved. Mughniyeh, 48, is a sick man, says an intelligence officer who was in charge of his file. He is considered by Western intelligence agencies as the most dangerous active terrorist today. He is wanted by several governmen ts and the Americans have put a $2m reward on his head. [Detailed list of Mughniyeh operations removed for Non-Subscriber Extract] It was the assassination of one man in March 1984 that is said to have made Mughniyeh the CIAs most wanted terrorist. Mughniyeh allegedly kidnapped the head of the CIA station in Beirut, William Buckley. The kidnapping t riggered what later became known as Irangate, when the Americans tried to exchange Buckley (and others) with arms for Iran. However, the attempt ended in a fiasco. By one unconfirmed account, Mughniyeh tortured and kill ed Buckley with his own hands. A year later, in a combined CIA/Mossad operation, a powerful car bomb went off at the entrance to the house of Hizbullahs spiritual leader, Sheikh Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah. Seventy-five people were killed. One of them was his brother. Hunted by the CIA and the Mossad, Mughniyeh hid in Iran. In February 1992, Israeli helicopter
[CTRL] In Albania? Who'd A-Thought?
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September 18, 2001
Hijackers connected to Albanian terrorist cell
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
U.S. intelligence officials are investigating ties between the
terrorists who carried out suicide airliner attacks and associates of
Osama bin Laden based in Albania.
The connections were described as support for the terrorist
operation to hijack U.S. commercial jetliners and crash them into the
Pentagon and the World Trade Center, according to U.S. intelligence
officials.
No further details of the support could be learned.
One official said intelligence reports about the Albanian
connection to the attacks is one of several leads being pursued
overseas by the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies.
Bin Laden and his organization, al Qaeda, are believed to have
small groups of terrorists or supporters in 50 to 60 nations,
including Albania, according to U.S. officials.
Asked if getting bin Laden is the U.S. goal, Secretary of State
Colin L. Powell told reporters yesterday that we are after the al
Qaeda network.
It's not one individual, Mr. Powell said. It's lots of
individuals, and it's lots of cells. ... Osama bin Laden is the
chairman of a holding company. And within that holding company are
terrorist cells and organizations in dozens of countries around the
world.
The administration's war on terrorism will start with that one
individual bin Laden.
It will not be over until we have gotten into the inside of
this organization, inside its decision cycle, inside its planning
cycle, inside its execution capability, and until we have neutralized
and destroyed it, Mr. Powell said. That's our objective.
Albania is one of several places U.S. intelligence agencies are
focusing their resources from human agents to electronic
eavesdropping.
Since the mid-1990s, bin Laden associates have been based in
Tirana, Albania's capital, as well as in at least two other towns in
the small, formerly communist nation, U.S. officials said.
Islamic radicals, including supporters of bin Laden, have been
supporting Albanian rebels fighting in the region, including members
of the Kosovo Liberation Army. Intelligence officials have said there
are reports that KLA members have been trained at bin Laden training
camps in Afghanistan.
Bin Laden and his Islamic extremist group, al Qaeda, are the
main suspects in last week's terrorist attacks.
As of last year, the group operated a residence in Tirana, and
the CIA has been pressing Albania's government to expel all
associates of the Islamic terrorists.
According to U.S. officials, bin Laden gained a foothold in
Albania in 1994 by portraying himself to the government there as a
wealthy Saudi national who was in charge of a humanitarian agency
that could help Albania.
Albanian intelligence believes terrorists have benefited from
the theft of some 1,000 blank Albanian passports that were stolen
during riots in 1997, according to a 1998 report in the London Sunday
Telegraph.
Since the attack, the FBI has detained 49 persons, many of whom
appear to be of Middle Eastern descent. Four of the detainees were
are identified as material witnesses to the Sept. 11 attacks. None
has been identified by nationality and the passports they used to
enter the United States also have not been identified.
In 1998, U.S. and Albanian authorities broke up an Islamic
terrorist cell in Albania and arrested two members of the bin Laden
group.
The CIA was able to obtain a large quantity of documents and
computer equipment that led to further arrests. Two members of the
group, Egyptian nationals, were turned over to anti-terrorist police
in Egypt that year.
Bin Laden's group has a network in Albania, said former CIA
counterterrorism official Vince Cannistraro.
This looks like the support operation [for the U.S. attacks]
was worldwide, he said of reports of the Albanian connection.
Albanian Police Chief Bilbil Mema told Agence France-Presse on
Thursday that Albania had ceased to be a safe haven for terrorism.
In Albania there is no longer an Islamic threat, Mr. Mema was
quoted as saying. This country is no longer a refuge for Islamic
terrorists.
Albanian security and intelligence authorities, in cooperation
with the CIA, had successfully led operations aimed at destroying
the network that Islamic terrorists have attempted to establish in
this country, Mr. Mema said.
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[CTRL] Flight Plans
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Yes, the military is obliged to defend the Constitution against all
enemies, foreign and domestic. And to obey the orders of those
appointed over each member. Nevertheless, we also expect those in
positions of responsibility and authority to do their parts in
allowing the military focus to be outward. In the cases of the
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Fighters Were 8 Minutes Away From WTC
The Associated Press
Wednesday, Sept. 19, 2001; 9:18 a.m. EDT
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. Fighter jets were only eight minutes away
from one of the hijacked airliners when it crashed into the World
Trade Center, the North American Aerospace Defense Command said in
newly released data.
Two other military jets were 12 minutes away when an airliner hit the
Pentagon, according to NORAD's official timeline, released Tuesday.
President Bush had not authorized military pilots to shoot down any
civilian planes until after the crash at the Pentagon, and military
officials have questioned what fighters would have been able to do
even if they had been in time. Nonetheless, the NORAD timeline
quantifies how close they were to the scene of the Sept. 11
hijackings.
According to the timeline:
The Federal Aviation Administration alerted NORAD's Northeast Air
Defense Sector in Rome, N.Y., at 8:40 a.m. EDT that American Airlines
Flight 11 had been hijacked after taking off from Boston en route to
Los Angeles. At 8:43 a.m., the FAA notified NORAD that United
Airlines Flight 175 from Boston to Los Angeles had also been
hijacked.
NORAD ordered two F-15 jet fighters into the air from Otis Air
National Guard Base in Falmouth, Mass., at 8:46 a.m. At about that
time, American Flight 11 crashed into the World Trade Center.
The F-15s were airborne at 8:52 a.m. Just after 9 a.m., as United
Flight 175 struck the World Trade Center, the F-15s were eight
minutes away, or 71 miles.
The FAA notified NORAD at 9:24 a.m. that a third jet, American
Flight 77 bound from Washington to Los Angeles, had been hijacked.
NORAD ordered two F-16 fighters from Langley Air Force Base in
Virginia to intercept the airliner.
The fighters were airborne at 9:30 a.m., but were 12 minutes, or 105
miles, away when the airliner struck the Pentagon.
After the Pentagon strike, Bush authorized fighters to shoot down any
other aircraft that threatened targets in Washington.
United Flight 93 from Newark to San Francisco was by then over
Pennsylvania, headed back to the East Coast. F-16s from Langley flew
protective patterns over Washington after the Pentagon strike, but as
Flight 93 headed toward them, it crashed outside Shanksville, Pa., at
approximately 10:03 a.m., NORAD said.
Last week, members of the Senate Armed Services Committee questioned
Air Force Gen. Richard Myers about why the fighters hadn't been able
to get airborne sooner. Myers, since confirmed as the next chairman
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, pointed out that far fewer aircraft
have been detailed to watch for attacking planes since the end of the
Cold War.
He added that when the threat became clear, the military scrambled
fighters, AWACS radar planes and tanker aircraft to begin to
establish orbits in case other aircraft had been hijacked.
NORAD monitors the skies over the United States and Canada for
threats. Its operational center is inside Cheyenne Mountain Air Force
Station and its headquarters are at Peterson Air Force Base, both
near Colorado Springs.
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simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not
believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do
not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not
believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men.
Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it
agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all.
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one is truly vanquished
[CTRL] Sign of the Time
-Caveat Lector- [Note: I do not attach any significance to this. It's just interesting.] A Memorial has been built where the Murrah Federal Building once stood in downtown Oklahoma City. There is a large granite slab with the time of the 1995 explosion engraved on it. It reads simply: 9:03 A.M. That is the exact time that the second jetliner hit the World Trade Center in New York. Nakano __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 1 Hour 20 minute Lapse was ....Double Huh?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/01 10:54:06 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The targets were undefended. How do you know this? Because no one intercepted the planes. But there could be other explanations. Such as? Well...perhaps it all happened so fast and was so unexpected that by the time we reacted it was too little too late. Nope, that can't be it. Why? Because the targets were undefended. And on and on the circular logic goes. In case you mised this from a previous post - David McGowan - Continuing Commentary. Pay particular attention to this quote, and YOU come up with an explanation that even a pre-schooler wouldn't reject as absurd, ok? At 9:35, two F-16 fighter jets were scrambled, at least an hour and twenty minutes after the first flight had been hijacked and nearly an hour after it had crashed. (further quoting:) It has been reliably reported that it was known fairly early on that the flights had been hijacked. It was also known (even though the transponders were disabled, by someone with a high degree of technical knowledge) that the planes had changed their flight path. It is inconceivable then that the wayward flights were not being tracked and monitored. According to the official timelines that have appeared in the New York and Los Angeles Times, by 8:15-8:20 AM, air traffic controllers had received clear indications that flight 11 out of Boston, in flight for just twenty minutes, had been hijacked â the aircraft's transponder had been shut off and the pilot was not responding to radio calls. By 8:28 AM, the aircraft had radically changed course and there was no question that the flight had been hijacked, a fact acknowledged by the FAA. By this time, flight 175 out of Boston and flight 77 out of Dulles were also in the air. Just two minutes later, flight 175 deviated from its flight path as well, indicating that it had also been hijacked. It was still nearly a half-an-hour before the first plane would plow into the WTC, and there were already very clear indications that this wasn't a normal day for air traffic in America. Two civilian passenger planes had been hijacked simultaneously, an unprecedented occurrence, and yet no action was immediately taken to avert the tragedy that was to come. At 8:38 AM, the Air Defense Command was allegedly first notified of the hijacking of flight 11, twenty minutes after air traffic controllers first became aware of that fact. Reports give no indication that notification was given at that time that the second flight had changed course as well. Five more minutes passed before the military was informed by the FAA of the second hijacking. At 8:45 AM, flight 11 crashed into the north tower of the WTC. Ten minutes later, flight 77 abruptly turned around and turned off its transponder. Three flights were then known to have been hijacked, with two still in the air and one having already spectacularly crashed into a heavily occupied building. The most technologically advanced and militarily prepared nation on earth proceeded to sit on its hands. After ten more minutes had passed, flight 175 crashed even more spectacularly into the south WTC tower. There was absolutely no question at that point that this was a serious national emergency. Flight 93 out of Newark had by then radically changed course as well, clearly indicating that yet a fourth aircraft had been hijacked and was a potential guided missile. With New York's most visible landmark in flames and two hijacked flights in the air, America's formidable national security apparatus sat idle. By 9:10 AM, the Pentagon's radar had reportedly picked up flight 77, which was still a half-an-hour away from plowing into what is described as the military's nerve center. At 9:25 AM, the FAA purportedly notified Air Defense that flight 77 was heading for Washington, though radar had determined that fact fifteen minutes earlier and it had been known for a full half-hour that the plane had turned around and headed back east. At 9:35, two F- 16 fighter jets were scrambled, at least an hour and twenty minutes after the first flight had been hijacked and nearly an hour after it had crashed. The jets were dispatched, appropriately enough, from Langley Air Force Base, which isn't so much an 'Air Force' base as it is the base of the CIA's own private fleet of military aircraft. The Pentagon was struck just minutes later, some fifteen minutes before the F-16s arrived on the scene, but nearly an hour-and-a-half after the rash of hijackings began. A steady stream of talking heads have taken to the airwaves to claim that no contingency plans were in place for such an attack. Despite decades of military planning for every possible type of attack on these shores, and despite hundreds of billions of dollars spent on air and civil defenses, no one - we are to believe - ever envisioned such an assault. We are
Re: [CTRL] WTC/Pentagon -- Terrorism or another Reichstag fire?
-Caveat Lector- can anyone verify this? === From: Saba Subject: Re: [CTRL] WTC/Pentagon -- Terrorism or another Reichstag fire? Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:56:49 -0700 Like Oklahoma - FBI and BATF stayed home and left the babies in the tower? __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] bin laden
-Caveat Lector- remember sudan...they are still crying for the world to recognize the bombing years ago as an international crime...no one will even LOOK at the evidence that they were victimized, that they were wronged... [CTRL] Bin Laden From: Fernando Sobral Subject: [CTRL] Bin Laden Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:09:04 -0700 -Caveat Lector- http://www.reuters.com/ Bin Laden, a Saudi millionaire and Islamic militant, believed to be in exile in Afghanistan, was blamed for the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in which 224 people died. An Arab journalist with access to bin Laden told Reuters in London that the renegade Saudi three weeks ago had warned of an unprecedented attack on U.S. interests. __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ctrl.org hacked!!!!! Comentaries on recent events wiped clean.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/01 9:52:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Which files exactly? Only my most recent commentaries on the current terroist attack. It may be just an ISP problem. Developing. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are still caught-up in the hegelian bs. And you are simply filled with babbling nonsense. History lesson. The Hegelian dialectic is actually a tool of the Fabian Socialists. If you knew anything at all about it's history, you would know that in it's seminal days, Communism took two divergent paths. There were the Marxists...who advocated the violent overthrow of all governments and the establishment of a world socialist state in it's place. And there were the Fabian Socialists, who agreed with the aims of the Marxists, but not the means. They felt that Marxism was doomed by virtue of it's very militancy and would only insure it's own destruction by openly advocating violent revolution. Instead, the Fabian's adopted the tools of education and propaganda as their primary tools. They felt that the world could be reshaped according to their globalist/collectivist vision if they could only capture the hearts and minds of a generation through the system of public education. Furthermore, they saw in the violent Marxist upheavals in europe, another tool which could be used to their advantage. Hence, they positioned themselves as a middle ground between the right wing nationalists on one hand and the communist revolutionaries on the other. By juxtaposing these two opposites ideologically, then masses could be conditioned to accept the middle alternative as H.G. Wells once called it. As current conditions make clear, this tactic has worked quite successfully. We are being conditioned by the leftists to accept the middle alternative of global socialism. Indeed, some left wingers have actually come out of the closet as it were...openly advocating this concept. Witness the successful campaign of Tony Blair in Great Britain...who has openly spoken of A Third Way...meaning a middle path between right wing nationalist isolationism and violent communist revolution. This, my friend, is the Hegelian dialectic at work. Now, having said that, I am afraid I must bid you all 'adieu'. I saw the warning that this was a high volume list. But I fear I underestimated just HOW high that volume would be. The amount of e-mail is unmanagable for me. My important stuff is being lost amongst the dross. Secondly, I wrongly assumed that this list would be primarily composed of political conservatives. How wrong I was. I have, admittedly, very little patience with communism light (read: liberalism). And I definitely don't want to have to wade through an inbox full of it just to find a handful of valuable posts. Finally, and as a parting shot, I would like to post something for the careful and thoughful consideration of all the anti-Zionist/borderline anti-Semitics on the list. Be careful who you attack my friends. You might well find yourselves fighting against God. By the way, in case you aren't familiar with this Book (most leftists never read it anyway) this comes from a MUCH higher authority than me...so it you have issues with it take it up with the author. 'For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins. Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.' DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- In response to Don Carr, screw you asshole. By your parrot talk we know you. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- speaking of parrot talk what happened to your calls for jihad, saba? I though jihad was forever? just searching an Arabic girls names base and found this: Saba Your name of Saba creates an intense desire for association with people and new experiences, many of which have been rather bitter. This name has given you a gregarious personality and a quick-thinking, creative, and versatile nature, but one that is unstable emotionally. You desire change and travel and would enjoy opportunities that allowed you to be creative and to act independently, rather than to conform to system and routine. However, this name does not allow you to complete your undertakings, as farther fields always look greener. Although you may appear confident and positive, you actually lack confidence and feel self-conscious at times. This name spoils patience and depth of thought, and weakens your stand in matters of principle. You are too open to suggestion, and thus you could become involved in detrimental associations which could lead you into by-paths of thrill-seeking or emotional indulgence. -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - The police aren't here to create disorder, they are here to preserve disorder. Mayor Richard Daley NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:40:45 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war! -Caveat Lector- In response to Don Carr, screw you asshole. By your parrot talk we know you. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- I love an open mind - value is only found in what he already agrees with. Leave a lot of room for personal growth, n'est pas? -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. Henrik Ibsen NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Don Capps [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:33:32 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war! Now, having said that, I am afraid I must bid you all 'adieu'. I saw the warning that this was a high volume list. But I fear I underestimated just HOW high that volume would be. The amount of e-mail is unmanagable for me. My important stuff is being lost amongst the dross. Secondly, I wrongly assumed that this list would be primarily composed of political conservatives. How wrong I was. I have, admittedly, very little patience with communism light (read: liberalism). And I definitely don't want to have to wade through an inbox full of it just to find a handful of valuable posts. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] - War, Semitism
-Caveat Lector- First off, there hasn't been a time since December 6th, 1941, that we HAVEN'T been at war. Was it not a liberal group that got us into the Balkans, lobbed cruise missiles at Kampground of Afghanistan (KOA) and aspirin factories, and made a few other interesting decisions? Finally, and as a parting shot, I would like to post something for the careful and thoughful consideration of all the anti-Zionist/borderline anti-Semitics on the list And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Matt 5~ You might well find yourselves fighting against God. Or with or against someone else's G*D. Therein the crux of the whole maelstromic cauldron of confusion lies. Now ... Just who are the anti-Semites? When we look at the totality of the region, it appears we have another family feud. AER @ http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13706a.htm }}Begin Semites The term Semites is applied to a group of peoples closely related in language, whose habitat is Asia and partly Africa. The expression is derived from the Biblical table of nations (Genesis 10), in which most of these peoples are recorded as descendants of Noah's son Sem. The term Semite was proposed at first for the languages related to the Hebrew by Ludwig Schlözer, in Eichhorn's Repertorium, vol. VIII (Leipzig, 1781), p. 161. Through Eichhorn the name then came into general usage (cf. his Einleitung in das Alte Testament (Leipzig, 1787), I, p. 45. In his Gesch. der neuen Sprachenkunde, pt. I (Göttingen, 1807) it had already become a fixed technical term. Since then the name has been generally adopted, except that modern science uses it in a somewhat wider sense to include all those Peoples who are either demonstrably of Semitic origin, or who appear in history as completely Semitized. CLASSIFICATION In historic times all Western Asia (see below), with the exception of the peninsula of Asia Minor, was Semitic. From the philological point of view the Semitic peoples are divided into four chief Babylonian- Assyrian Semites (East Semites), Chanaanitic Semites, (West Semites), Aramaic Semites (North Semites), and Arabian Semites (South Semites). The last-named group is divided into North and South Arabians, of which last the Abyssinians are a branch. The first three groups are usually termed North Semites, in contrast to the Arabian group, or South Semites. But the classification of the Babylonian with the Aramaic and Chanaanitic Semites is not permissible from the philological point of view. TERRITORY The great mountain-chains which begin at the Syro-Cilician boundary, and then curving towards the south-west extend to the Persian Gulf, separate on the north and east the territory of the Semites from that of the other peoples of Western Asia. It includes the Syro-Arabian plain with the civilized countries extending to the east and west and the Arabian Peninsula which joins it on the south. The lowlands to the east are formed by the Euphrates and the Tigris, and include the homes of two very ancient civilizations, in the north the rather undulating Mesopotamia, in the south the low Babylonian plain; the land extending to the west from the lower Euphrates is called Chaldea. These are the territories of the East Semitic tribes and states. On the west lies Northern Syria, then the Lebanon Mountains with the intervening Coelo-Syria, the oasis of Damascus, the seat of an ancient culture, the Hauran, and in the the midst of the desert the oasis of Palmyra (Tadmor). These territories were at a later period occupied principally by Aramaic tribes. The territory on the coast extending westwards from Lebanon, and Palestine, which joins it on the south, are the principal seats of the Chanaanitic Semites. The mountainous country to the east of Arabia and the Sinaitic peninsula extending to the west of Arabia, belong to Arabia proper, the territory of the South Semites. ORIGINAL HOME The tribes which inhabited these territories, and to some extent still inhabit them, show in language, traits, and character a sharply characterized individuality which separates them distinctly from other peoples. Their languages axe closely related to one another, not being almost independent branches of language, like the great groups of Indo-Germanic languages, but rather dialects of a single linguistic group. Physically, also, the Semitic form it is found in Arabia. Here also the phonetics and partly also the grammatical structure of the Semitic language, are most purely, as the vocabulary is most completely, preserved. From these as well as from other circumstances the conclusion has been drawn that Arabia should be considered the original home of the Semitic peoples. All the racial peculiarities of the Semites are best explained from the character of a desert people. All Semites settled in civilized lands are, therefore, to be considered offshoots of the desert tribes,
Re: [CTRL] ctrl.org hacked!!!!! Comentaries on recent events wiped clean.
-Caveat Lector- dude, with my ISP there is always a log file created in the directory where my web files are stored. is there nothing else- on your ftp server- or in your own puter that might have the same time stamp as when the files went missing? - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] ctrl.org hacked! Comentaries on recent events wiped clean. -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/01 9:52:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Which files exactly? Only my most recent commentaries on the current terroist attack. It may be just an ISP problem. Developing. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sport of the Upper Classes
-Caveat Lector- @ http://www.zetetics.com/mac/articles/warfreem.html }}Begin WAR IS THE HEALTH OF THE STATE: ITS MEANING This article appeared in The Freeman, July 1999, as War's Other Casualty. By Wendy McElroy In his introduction to War and the Intellectuals (1964) -- a collection of Randolph Bourne's essays -- editor Carl Resek explains the meaning of Bourne's famous saying, 'War is the Health of the state,' coined in response to America's participation in World War I. Resek writes, In its proper place it [the saying] meant that mindless power thrived on war because war corrupted a nation's moral fabric and especially corrupted its intellectuals.(vii) Bourne's famous seven-word slogan, which arose in reaction to World War I, contains a complexity of meaning that is often overlooked by those who use it. To grasp this complexity, it is necessary to explore the theoretical contexts within which the saying originated. The State, Government, and Society Bourne argues that, in times of peace, the majority of people do not give much thought to the State, but deal instead with the Government, which may be viewed as the practical day-to-day offices and functions of a State. Bourne defined Government as a framework of the administration of laws, and the carrying out of the public force. Government is the idea of the State put into practical operation in the hands of definite, concrete, fallible men.(69) In times of peace, people deal with the Government -- e.g. the post office or the public school system -- rather than with institutions that embody the enduring State -- e.g. the Supreme Court. The people whose jobs make Government function, such as postal workers and grade school teachers, have no sense of sanctity about them. They are what Bourne describes as common and unsanctified men. Even those elected to political office do not generally inspire admiration, but are usually indistinguishable from the mass. This egalitarian attitude is part of the American heritage of being a Republic in which there is separation of church and state. Thus, in times of peace, the sense of the State almost fades out of the consciousness of men.(66) People may rise to honor the flag at ball games but they have few practical reasons to think much about the State. The American State is more of a concept than a physical reality. It is the political structure established by the American Revolution, which is embodied by the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Governments come and go but the State remains essentially the same. It is the State, not Government, that inspires emotions such as awe or patriotism within its citizenry because the State is considered to be sanctified by history and by the popular will. It is to the concept of the American State -- not to any particular Government, Republican or Democratic -- that people pledge allegiance with hands placed over their hearts. Another key to understanding what is 'America' is the concept of society, which Bourne refers to as nation or country. Society is the collection of non-political factors that constitute life in America, including: characteristic attitudes, common lore and literature, a shared history, a unique ethnic mix, the prevailing cultural norms. These non-political factors are what make the American society different from a Chinese or French society. They constitute 'the American way.' In times of peace, most people identify more with society than they do with Government. For example, most people define themselves more in relation to a community, religion, or ethnic heritage than in relation to a political party. Unlike Government, society is not expression of the State, nor can it peacefully co-exist with the State because the two concepts are antagonistic. In an essay entitled The State, Bourne observes, Country [society] is a concept of peace, tolerance, of living and letting live. But State is essentially a concept of power, of competition; it signifies a group in its aggressive aspects. And we have the misfortune of being born not only into a country but into a State, and as we grow up we learn to mingle the two feelings into a hopeless confusion.(68) To sum up the preceding part of Bourne's argument: in times of peace, people identify with society, interact with Government, and only occasionally deal with the sanctified State. Yet the lines separating these three concepts, or institutions, are not clearly drawn. The Impact of War Bourne defines war as the ultimate act of Statehood, of a group in its aggressive aspects, which could not exist with the State. War is a function...of States, he writes, and could not occur except in such a system. Bourne argues that war so blurs the lines separate the State from Government and from society that the lines virtually disappear in the minds of most people. Filled with emotion, the patriot loses all sense of the distinction between State, nation and government.(67) Bourne describes the process, Patriotism becomes the
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- no one said to keep everything but to dismiss something as trash before you examine it results in many lost treasures -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - The police aren't here to create disorder, they are here to preserve disorder. Mayor Richard Daley NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:31:41 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war! -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/01 10:52:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I love an open mind An open mind collects everything and becomes a trash can. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Anti-Semitism in the Syrian Media: Zionist Control of the U.S. Government
If you read all the above crap, consider the Zionists are writing all these nice things about themselves. Why even we Irish an Scotch and Welsh did not have such frightful enemies.tell me, is the Pope Jewish? Saba Not that I give a rat's ass for the True Shepard knows his own flock. Nice story if you like to read whining stories, more persecution, dellusional - well got the story. Who do you think really destroyed the Twin Towers timed to a Gideon Bible Calendar For as they say in Isaiah they have trodden the winepress alone but the blood of Americans are payiing for their evil. http://www.adl.org/syria_media/syria_zionist.html
[CTRL] National Emergency Proclamation
-Caveat Lector- from: ? - National Emergency Proclamation September 14, 2001, 3:49 PM EDT Text of President Bush's proclamation Friday declaring a national emergency. A national emergency exists by reason of the terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center, New York, New York, and the Pentagon, and the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States. Now, therefore, I, George W. Bush, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, I hereby declare that the national emergency has existed since September 11, 2001, and, pursuant to the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), I intend to utilize the following statutes: sections 123, 123a, 527, 2201(c), 12006, and 12302 of title 10, United States Code, and sections 331, 359, and 367 of title 14, United States Code. This proclamation immediately shall be published in the Federal Register or disseminated through the Emergency Federal Register, and transmitted to the Congress. This proclamation is not intended to create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by a party against the United States, its agencies, its officers, or any person. In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this fourteenth day of September, in the year of our Lord two thousand one, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twenty-sixth. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Flashback! Ex CIA Chief's Daughter Reps for Taliban
-Caveat Lector- Guess the Taliban doesn't mind dealing with women after all. Week of June 13 - 19, 2001 Mondo Washington Richard Helms's Afghani Niece Leads Corps of Taliban Reps The Accidental Operative by Camelia Fard James Ridgeway http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0124/ridgeway.php WASHINGTON, D.C., June 6-On this muggy afternoon, a group of neatly attired men and a handful of women gather in a conference room at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. The guest list includes officials from the furthest corners of the world-Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Pakistan, and Turkey-and reps from the World Bank, the Uzbekistan chamber of commerce, the oil industry, and the Russian news agency Tass, along with various individuals identified only as U.S. Government, which in times past was code for spook. At hand is a low-profile briefing on international narcotics by a top State Department official, who has recently returned from a United Nations trip to inspect the poppy fields of Afghanistan, source of 80 percent of the world's opium and target of a recent eradication campaign by the fundamentalist Taliban. The lecture begins as every other in Washington: The speaker politely informs the crowd he has nothing to do with policy making. And, by the way, it's all off the record. Lecture over, the chairman asks for questions. One man after another rises to describe his own observations while in the foreign service. The moderator pauses, looks to the back of the room, and says in a scarcely audible voice: Laili Helms. The room goes silent. For the people gathered here, the name brings back memories of Richard Helms, director of the CIA during the tumultuous 1960s, the era of Cuba and Vietnam. After he was accused of destroying most of the agency's secret documents detailing its own crimes, Helms left the CIA and became President Ford's ambassador to Iran. There, he trained the repressive secret police, inadvertently sparking the revolution that soon toppled his friend the Shah. Laili Helms, his niece by marriage, is an operative, too-but of a different kind. This pleasant young woman who makes her home in New Jersey is the Taliban rulers' unofficial ambassador in the U.S., and their most active and best-known advocate elsewhere in the West. As such she not only defends but promotes a severe regime that has given the White House fits for the past six years-by throwing women out of jobs and schools, stoning adulterers, forcing Hindus to wear an identifying yellow patch, and smashing ancient Buddha statues. In meetings on Capitol Hill and at the State Department, Helms represents a theocracy that harbors America's Public Enemy No. 1: Osama bin Laden, the man who allegedly masterminded the bombing of American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and is suspected of blowing up the USS Cole. From his Afghan fortress, bin Laden operates a terrorist network reaching across the world. All of which is highly ironic since bin Laden is the progeny of a U.S. policy that sought to unite Muslims in a jihad against the Soviet Union, but over a decade eroded the moderate political wing and launched a wave of young radical fundamentalists. The Taliban, says the author Ahmed Rashid, is the hip-hop generation of Islamic militants. They know nothing about nothing. Their aim is the destruction of the status quo, but they offer nothing to replace it with. Now the Bush administration is lowering its sights, viewing the Taliban within a broader context of an oil-rich central Asia. The chaotic region is strewn with crooked governments, terrorist brotherhoods, thieving warlords, and smugglers. Against this backdrop, the Taliban sometimes seems to be the least of our problems. The mullahs would like to take advantage of the Bush administration's own fundamentalist leanings, complete with antidrug policies. Their often comic efforts to establish representation in the U.S. took off when they found Helms. For them, she is a disarming presence, the unassuming woman at the back of the room. After spending most her life in the States, Helms has impeccable suburban credentials. She lives in Jersey City and is the mother of a couple of grade-school kids. Her husband works at Chase Manhattan. A granddaughter of a former Afghan minister in the last monarchy, she returned home during the war to work on U.S. aid missions. Everyone thinks I'm a spy, she said in a recent Voice interview. And Uncle Dick thinks I'm crazy. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of
[CTRL] Fwd: From Personal Experience: Would the Government Use Our $ To Nurture A Terrorist Who Harms Citizens and Taxpayers On Purpose?
We won't hesitate to bang heads if we have to ---Dan Hawke, Attorney for John Ervin from 1995-1999 The notion that the US taxpayers have been helping to finance Bin Laden and the Taliban does not come as a big supprise to Carolyn, Ozzie or me. We know from personal experience. HUD Secretary Cuomo issued what appear to be sole source negotiated contracts to Ervin in 1998 when Ervin's attorney was Dan Hawke, son of John D. (Jerry) Hawke, then Undersecretary of Domestic Finance for Robert Rubin (Secretary) and Lawrence Summers (Deputy Secretary). Hawke was the person at Treasury in charge of federal credit policies. HUD's mortgage insurance programs are traditionally about 30-35% of federal credit), and now Comptroller of the Currency at Treasury, and throughout on the board of Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation. As of October 2000, HUD had paid Ervin $808,000 for business consulting services under one of these contracting vehicles. That is approximately $33,000 a month. That number also is not an unreasonable estimate of the possible cost of the targeting of me by Ervin. According to news reports, HUD also gave him $2MM in late 2000 in a settlement on his litigation at HUD. According to recently unsealed court transcripts DOJ credits itself with helping to design in a 1996 time frame the litigation that DOJ used to give Ervin $2MM on in 2000, and keeping it protected from other court cases in which DOJ took opposite positions. One of the government officials sued in that case estimated that Ervin's legal expenses were approximately $1-3MM on that and related cases. A reporter who visited Ervin in last 1997, told me that he had 17 people who appeared to be working full time on targeting us in addition to the attornies, that the mailings that they had recieved over the last two years were quite voluminous and who was paying for all of this? Good question, I said. Through this period, HUD lost several billion a year as a result of intentionally shuting down loan sales and returning to a method of resolving defaulted loans that allowed far more flexibility in below market inside deals that could be done quietly. Were the contracts below (put through HUD's Ginnie Mae, the agency that securitizes all the FHA mortgages with Wall Street)a way for Hawke to get the taxpayers to pay his son to destroy internal financial controls at HUD? During the periods reported for the contracts with Ervin below, in Fiscal 1998, HUD reported missing money of $17 billion. In fiscal 1999, HUD reported missing money of $70 billion on the asset side and $59 billion on the liability side. One of the reasons that the missing money at HUD is so confusing, is because Treasury's records indicate that the cash balances are off by much less. Here is what a top government accountant had to say on this topic: I would say that Treasury moving cash in/out is very possible. Most agencies are not able to reconcile its funds balances in its general ledger to those recorded by Treasury. There are MANY, MANY differences. The absolute value at HUD was $70 billion while the net value was $24 million for FY 1999. What's weird is that each agency completes an SF224 and reports its cash balances and transactions to Treasury. So, technically, Treasury should only be reporting back to you what you reported to them. In my years in CFO shops, I've never seen anyone be able to balance to Treasury. We accountants at the agencies are always told that Treasury's records are correct and we are not able to get support from Treasury as to what they have recorded that we have no record of. So, in the end, most agencies just adjust (write up/down) their cash balances to agree with Treasury - meanwhile, anyone could be taking money and you are suppose to just believe that Treasury makes no errors. I made the mistake of questioning Treasury and got my hands slapped many years ago. It's very easy to play with your cash accounts. Who runs the cash management operations at Treasury? That division is called FMS. Who does FMS report to? The UnderSecretary for Domestic Finance Who was that in 1998? John D. Hawke, father of Ervin's attorney, Dan Hawke. John Hawke is the former general counsel of the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve Bank of NY is the primary depository for the US government checking accounts. IN FY 2002, the President's budget is proposing to appropriate $1.383 trillion dollars to government agencies that according to both Senate and Congressional oversight committees have little or no financial and accounting system and disclosure integrity. A senior person at HUD recently told me that the career staff at HUD assume that Ervin is working for and paid by the government. Think about it. == HUD CONTRACTS TO ERVIN IN 1998
[CTRL] No Treason
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By LYSANDER SPOONER
[1867]
Introductory
The question of treason is distinct from that of slavery; and is the
same that it would have been, if free States, instead of slave
States, had seceded.
On the part of the North, the war was carried on, not to liberate the
slaves, but by a government that had always perverted and violated
the Constitution, to keep the slaves in bondage; and was still
willing to do so, if the slaveholders could be thereby induced to
stay in the Union.
The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply
this: that men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support,
a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their
part, makes them traitors and criminals.
No principle, that is possible to be named, can be more self-
evidently false than this; or more self-evidently fatal to all
political freedom. Yet it triumphed in the field, and is now assumed
to be established. If it be really established, the number of slaves,
instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly
increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not
want, is a slave. And there is no difference, in principle -- but
only in degree -- between political and chattel slavery. The former,
no less than the latter, denies a man's ownership of himself and the
products of his labor; and asserts that other men may own him, and
dispose of him and his property, for their uses, and at their
pleasure.
Previous to the war, there were some grounds for saying that -- in
theory, at least, if not in practice -- our government was a free
one; that it rested upon consent. But nothing of that kind can be
said now, if the principle on which the war was carried on by the
North, is irrevocably established.
If that principle be not the principle of the Constitution, the fact
should be known. If it be the principle of the Constitution, the
Constitution itself should be at once overthrown.
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Re: [CTRL] Flight Plans
-Caveat Lector- --- Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fighters Were 8 Minutes Away From WTC The Associated Press COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. Fighter jets were only eight minutes away from one of the hijacked airliners when it crashed into the World Trade Center, the North American Aerospace Defense Command said in newly released data. Two other military jets were 12 minutes away when an airliner hit the Pentagon, according to NORAD's official timeline,released Tuesday. Nakano comments: 8 minutes away at Mach 2 is more than 200 miles. 12 minutes away at Mach 2 is more than 300 miles. Get out a U.S. Map and draw a 300 mile circle around New York or Washington. This will show the military jets were one heckuva long way from where they needed to be. One wonders whygiven the amount of warning time the military had to respond. Nakano __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ctrl.org hacked!!!!! -- NOT
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[CTRL] Fwd: RE: [MC] The Staging of Nostradamus Prophecies for psychological manipulations
PRE SAVE 10% on your first online order at Fingerhut.com (introductory offer good on almost every product on the site; click here for full details). A HREF= http://click.topica.com/caaadc6bz8QXLbAgkRya/FingerHut http://click.topica.com/caaadc6bz8QXLbAgkRya/FingerHut/A /PRE In the CIA files I read in 1977 were the files from the Military, OSS, CIA and others on the use of their organizations and agents in the promotion of using Nostradamus's predictions to direct the people as they needed them to go. This is a very small part of a much larger story. The OSS had seen during the Second World War how successful Hitler was in using Nostradamus's writings to show the German people that they were to rule the world for the next 1,000 years. They liked how this worked and then incorporated this into their agenda. Orson Welles had worked for Army Intelligence before the war in 1938 and had conducted the experiment for them using radio which we all now know as War of the Worlds. This experiment was to test if they used radio which was the most trusted form of information and trusted by the American people to tell the people that something unbelievable and completely impossible was happening if they would still believe it because it was coming from their most trusted form of media. (Propaganda Experiment) In 1977 the CIA who Orson Welles worked for at the time had Orson Welles do the movie on Nostradamus's predictions to convince the American people that the coming war which was scheduled for 1999 was unstoppable and and act of god which had been foretold by the bible as Armageddon and foretold in Nostradamus's predictions. Nostradamus's predictions were so loosely wrote that they could be interpreted anyway that the person interpreting them needed them to say. Our leaders believed that we breed like rats and were over populating the planet so badly that it was necessary to reduce our numbers to more manageable numbers and had made the plans for the war over 20 years in advance. The FBI and the other agencies delayed this war but it is still coming. This is why your TV was telling you Armageddon was going to be in 1999 as the bible foretold and then when 1999 came around it changed to the new dates. People like Haggi who is one of our religious leaders on TV from Texas also wrote the book on the coming Armageddon. He is also one of them. I was horrible tortured and my mind was horrible scrambled as I tried to write this. (They are now making me scream in pain for what I'm writing) My writing would of been much better if I lived in a free country with freedom of speech and human rights and civil liberties. These acts of state sponsored terrorism continue against me to limit my freedom of speech every day and will continue against me for as long as I live. Chuck Karen Donnelly wrote: Hello Terry, Are you aware that the OSS Psychological Warfare Division Unit took part in dropping leaflets over German skies declaring Nostradamus had predicted their defeat during WW2 when it became apparent that Germany was going to be defeated? Now substitute CIA/USA in the prior sentence. Its whats known as working both sides of the fence as preparation for staged and pre-planned military actions used upon innocent populations during Psyops Conditioning Operations also known as in classic senerios that create the problem, fabricate the reason for the problem thus giving violance as the solution for using force by the very operatives that created the problem to begin with. Karen PRE---Sponsor's Message Do you want to show support for America? Then show support for American companies. Buy at least one share of stock to help the economy. Profits go to Red Cross. A HREF= http://click.topica.com/caaadoybz8QXLbAgkRyf/oneshare http://click.topica.com/caaadoybz8QXLbAgkRyf/oneshare/A /PRE PRE__ Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List info: www.topica.com/lists/mc./PRE PRE==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: A HREF= http://topica.com/u/?bz8QXL.bAgkRy http://topica.com/u/?bz8QXL.bAgkRy/A Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! A HREF= http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register/A ==^/PRE
[CTRL] Flight school says FBI trailed suspect prior to hijackings
-Caveat Lector- Flight school says FBI trailed suspect prior to hijackings By Kevin Cullen and Ralph Ranalli, Globe Staff, 9/18/2001 FBI Director Robert Mueller continued to insist yesterday that federal authorities had no reason to suspect Islamic extremists were training at US flight schools before last week's suicide hijackings, even as more evidence surfaced raising questions about those assertions. The vice president of a flight school in Oklahoma told The Boston Globe yesterday that three weeks before Tuesday's suicide hijackings, FBI agents interviewed him about a suspected terrorist who had trained at the school. Dale Davis, the vice president of Airman Flight School in Norman, Okla., said FBI agents showed up at the facility asking questions about Zacarias Moussaoui, who was arrested in Minnesota last month after he tried to get flight simulator lessons on flying a commercial-size jet. In addition, Davis said that FBI agents visited his flight school two years ago to ask questions about a former student who had been identified by federal authorities as an associate of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born dissident who is the prime suspect in organizing last week's hijackings. Davis also said that two of the men who hijacked two flights out of Boston's Logan Airport last week, including Mohamed Atta, who investigators believe was the ringleader of the Boston hijackings, had visited the Norman flight school last year before deciding to attend one in Florida. At a Washington briefing yesterday, Mueller repeated his assertion, first made Friday, that federal authorities had no inkling that terrorists were using US flight schools to acquire the training they needed to take the controls of commercial airliners as they did on Tuesday. ''There were no warning signs that I'm aware of that would indicate this type of operation in the country,'' he said. But the Globe reported Saturday that federal authorities have known for at least three years that two associates of bin Laden had trained in the United States as airline pilots. The link between the Al-Qaeda terror group, allegedly led by bin Laden, and US flight schools emerged earlier this year at the trial of four men charged with the 1998 bombing of the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. At that trial, during which FBI agents were called as witnesses, an associate of bin Laden testified that he went to a flight school in Texas. Prosecutors introduced evidence that a second associate of bin Laden, Ihab Ali Nawawi, had trained at Airman Flight School, as did Moussaoui, who is now being held in New York for questioning on suspicion that he is an associate of the hijackers. In a telephone interview, Davis confirmed that the FBI had suspicions about Moussaoui at least three weeks before last week's disaster. The questions FBI agents posed to him appeared to be about whether Moussaoui could have been a terrorist, Davis said, including whether the alleged Algerian militant had ever made any ''extreme comments'' about the United States. When asked why they were inquiring about Moussaoui, Davis said, the agents replied that ''he had done something very bad.'' Davis said FBI agents had visited his school just two years earlier to inquire about Ihab Ali Nawawi, who took flight training there in 1993 and was later charged in connection with the 1998 US Embassy bombings in Africa, which were blamed on bin Laden's group. Davis also confirmed that Atta and another suspected hijacker, Marwan al-Shehhi, visited Airman Flight School, staying overnight at the school's dormitory in the nearby Sooner Inn, before deciding to train at another facility. ''They did a school visit in July of 2000 but went elsewhere for whatever reason,'' Davis said. The Los Angeles Times yesterday quoted an unidentified federal official saying that Moussaoui asked only for lessons on ''steering, not landing'' and cheered when he watched a news account of the suicide hijackings at the jail in Minnesota where he has been held since last month. Two other suspects being held for questioning in New York, Aybu Ali Khan and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, who had been living in New Jersey, were taken into custody on a train in Fort Worth, Texas, and arrested after police found they were carrying box cutters similar to those used by some of the hijackers. Investigators believe the hijackers in Tuesday's attack used box cutters because the tool's plastic handle would not set off metal detectors at airport security checkpoints. While authorities have not identified a fourth suspect being interrogated in New York, CNN yesterday said that the man is a doctor from San Antonio, and that Azmath and Khan may have been heading to his home there to hide. CNN said the man attended the same flight school in Arizona as one of the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 77,
[CTRL] Fwd: Mideast Murder, Inc.
All this finger-pointing looks like the beginning of a second Lavon Affaire. In 1954-55, Israel sought to sabotage warming relations between the US and Nasser's Egypt. Israeli intelligence recruited Egyptian Jews and ordered them to plant bombs in US libraries and cinemas showing American films. The agents were caught and hanged. A huge scandal erupted in Israel. To Whom It May Concern: It seems Israel has a cute habit of creating chaos when it sees the USA becoming friendly with any of the Arab Nationslook at this despiciable Jonathan Pollard who ruined what could have been peaceful relations with Sadaam Hussein - and see this Marc Rich during Iranian crisis dealing with Iran when it was forbidden and hogging huge profits - and he gets a pardon? Remember the USS Liberty how our men were napalmed for over 45 minutes while lying on deck wounded and dying - they tried to cover up their crime in order to blame the Egyptians but they got caught. Oh how loyal these Israelis are to us we are told - hey for 5 billion dollars a year we got their loyalty - really? These twin towers and Pentagon - one of the men it was said was Egyptian - tell me Egyptian Jew maybe? After the USS Liberty, I would not be suprised. So the Iraelis are running true to form, running a murder inc over there - well why not, with rat faced Meyer Lansky, Moe Daliz, and the mafia confraternites the ADL and Bnai Brith? Why not. Cut off the funds to Israel .. let Larry Flynt and Moskowitz set up another Cuba over there is the Holy Land and maybe sell lots for the robes of more victims of their slaughter? http://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/IsraelBotched.html
[CTRL] Third Racially Motivated Murder Since S11
-Caveat Lector- Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Urgent Updates! Third Racially Motivated Murder Since S11! Urgent Updates! Third Racially Motivated Murder Since S11! [For more Information, please check www.ActionLA.org/S11] Indian man shot dead in US in apparent backlash to terror attacks Sunday September 16, 2001 WASHINGTON, Sept 16 (AFP) - An Indian man who moved to the United States 10 years ago was shot dead on the weekend by an unidentified assailant, The Arizona Republic newspaper reported Sunday, in what looked like a misplaced incident of revenge for the attacks on New York and the Pentagon. Balbir Singh Sodhi, 49, was killed Saturday when a gunman driving a black pick-up truck drove into the Mesa, Arizona service station he ran and fired three shots. The assailant then drove on to another service station where a Lebanese-American employee was working and to a house, firing shots but injuring no one else. Sodhi's brother, Harjit, told the newspaper his sibling was killed because his dark skin, beard and turban made him look Middle Eastern, like the men US authorities say hijacked the planes used in Tuesday's devastating attacks. Some people don't understand because we are different, because we look like (Osama) bin Laden, Harjit said. But we are not Muslim. The Sodhis, originally from Punjab in India, belong to the Sikh religion. The newspaper said police were trying to trace the killer. One officer, sergeant Mike Goulet, said the murder was not being considered a racist crime. -- A 2nd Backlash MURDER! by Stop Racist Hate Crimes 1:26am Mon Sep 17 '01 A second backlash murder... this one involving a Pakistani immigrant in Texas. Published in the U.K. Independent http://news.independent.co.uk/ September 17 2001 Asian man murdered in suspected race-hate shooting Revenge Attacks In Pleasant Grove, a middle-class suburb of Dallas, Waqar Hassan Choudhry, 40, was shot dead at a convenience store shortly after 10pm on Saturday night. There was no evidence of a robbery, and local detectives told Mr Choudhry's family they believed his killing was motivated by blind revenge. Officially, the police were saying little. We don't know who did it or why, it's too early in the investigation, Sergeant Gary Kilpatrick of the Dallas police homicide department said. At this point, we can't prove or disprove anything. We're looking for witnesses and checking the evidence. But the victim's cousin, Mazhar Rehman, said yesterday he was almost certainly killed because of his race or religion. We feel this is more likely to be backlash than robbery, Mr Rehman, a businessman from Glasgow, said. My cousin was saying that there have been other incidents in Dallas, with people being abused or beaten up. Mr Choudhry, married with four girls, was from Karachi and had been in America for 10 years. He had recently moved to Dallas from Edison, New Jersey, home to one of the east coast's largest Pakistani communities, to run the petrol station with another immigrant. -- --- Egyptian Grocer MURDERED in L.A.! by Stop Racist Attacks 9:42am Tue Sep 18 '01 A 3rd. backlash murder has taken place. An Egyptian Grocer in San Gabriel is the latest victim to fall to hate. KCBS (Channel 2) Tuesday September 18 2001 Grocer's Murder Investigated As Hate Crime The fatal shooting Saturday of a neighborhood grocer of Egyptian descent in San Gabriel will be investigated by the FBI as a possible hate crime, an agent said Monday. We are going to be opening that case as a hate crime, Matt McLaughlin, of the FBI's Los Angeles office, told news wires. If they haven't already started the investigation, it will be soon. Adel Karas, 48, of Arcadia, was fatally shot about 3:15 p.m. Saturday at International Market, 1381 E. Las Tunas Drive. Although Karas' family told reporters they feared he was killed because his attackers thought he might be Muslim -- he was a Coptic Christian from Egypt. McLaughlin said he was not familiar with the evidence that prompted the FBI to get involved, but speculated that the bureau wanted to err on the side of caution. FBI Director Robert Mueller told reporters in Washington that since World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks, there have been dozens of retaliatory hate crimes directed at members of the Arab-American community nationwide. Sheriff's deputies are seeking three suspects, two of whom entered the store, confronted the owner and shot him in the upper body, Bottomley said. The suspects fled in a copper-colored Honda driven by a third suspect. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot
[CTRL] War Fever - the secretary decided never to leave Roosevelt in charge again.
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.ctrl.org/MilleganStews/warfever.html Click Here: A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/MilleganStews/warfever.html;War Fever - the secretary decided never to lea /A - Millegan Stews 9/19/01 from: 1898 David Traxel©1998 Alfred A Knopf 0-679-45467-5 368 pps - First American Edition - War Fever F. J. HILGERT, the Associated Press man in Cuba, had managed to get a brief cable out before the censors shut down the line. At 2:10 a.m. the New York World's office was galvanized by the news, and within an hour had an edition on the streets with a four-column headline: U. S. S. MAINE BLOWN UP IN HAVANA HARBOR. There was also a four-column engraving of the ship that had been in the files, and a story about her reputation as a Jonah or Hoodoo ship. Scovel's cable arrived soon after and was incorporated into later editions with the headline WORLD STAFF CORRESPONDENT CABLES IT IS NOT KNOWN WHETHER EXPLO-SION OCCURRED ON OR UNDER THE MAINE. Pulitzer's World had scored a beat, but William Randolph Hearst and his journal were not far behind. Hearst had gone home before news of the disaster arrived, so the night editor immediately telephoned him. Hearst asked what else was on the front page. Only the other big news, was the answer. There is not any other big news, Hearst said. Please spread the story all over the page. This means war! There was not much information in the early stories, but through the headlines and the details emphasized there was already a slant being given to the event. The World's first headline, given above, is an example: by using blown instead of blows the act is presented as deliberate; in the second the implication is that a submarine mine might have destroyed the ship. Both the World and journal began their coverage of the story with implications of Spanish treachery that were to become more overt in the coming days. . . . McKinley told Senator Charles Fairbanks of Indiana, I don't propose to be swept off my feet by the catastrophe. My duty is plain. We must learn the truth and endeavor, if possible, to fix the responsibility. The country can afford to withhold its judgment and not strike an avenging blow until the truth is known. The Administration will go on preparing for war, but still hoping to avert it. It will not be plunged into war until it is ready for it. But many were being swept by their anger into making a quick judgment: The Maine was sunk by an act of dirty treachery by the Spaniards, I believe, Theodore Roosevelt wrote a fellow member of Harvard's Porcellian Club on February 16, but he expressed these feelings just to close friends, being careful to use only the word accident in public dealings. In Roosevelt now lived at the office most of the time, although both his wife and his son Ted were still seriously ill. On the morning of Friday, February 25, Edith was so feverish that, afraid she was going to die, he summoned the famed Sir William Osler from Johns Hopkins Medical School in Baltimore to attend to her. Then, propelled by duty, he went off to the Navy Department. John Long [Secretary of the Navy] had been unable to sleep much since his nightmarish awakening in the predawn hours of the sixteenth, and his body had been afflicted with aches and pains that could be relieved only by mechanical massage applied to his stomach and legs by an unusual electric -powered machine under the command of a Washington osteopath. Feeling a need for the attentions of this technological wonder, Long took the afternoon off on the twenty-fifth to hobble first to the osteopath, then to his corn doctor. The burdens of office were left on the well-braced shoulders of Theodore Roosevelt, who knew exactly what needed doing. First a cable to Commodore Dewey ordering him to assemble the Asiatic Squadron in Hong Kong and prepare it for offensive operations in the Philippine Islands in the event of a declaration of war with Spain; then orders to Keep full of coal to other squadron commanders around the world and an authorization for navy coal-buyers to obtain all they could; rendezvous points for scattered ships were named; ammunition in warsized quantities was ordered; guns necessary to convert yachts and commercial steamers to warships were commanded to be taken out of storage; requests were made to both houses of Congress to pass bills authorizing the recruitment of e nough sailors to man an expanded battle fleet. A very busy afternoon, and a satisfying one. After he had completed his labors, the assistant secretary stopped by to see his chief at home, who was resting so comfortably that the younger man must have decided not to worry him with too detailed an account of what he had accomplished. When John Long came into his office the next morning he was shocked, because during my short absence I find that Roosevelt, in his precipitate way, has come very near causing more of an explosion than happened to the Maine ... the very devil seemed to possess him
[CTRL] More on the 4,000
-Caveat Lector- http://www.thisiscyberia.com/NewsCenter.com/article.asp?ID=196628 [LINK] [INLINE] [LINK] [INLINE] Al Mustaqbal newspaper [INLINE] [INLINE] Home [INLINE] [INLINE] News Center Lebanon General News Full Article September 19, 2001 [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] LEBANON MIDDLE EAST/ INTERNATIONAL MESSAGE BOARDS Your opinion should make a difference! POST IT HERE Featured Forums [INLINE] General Aoun is coming Back! [INLINE] Geagea expects to walk free after amnesty deal. [INLINE] Should military service be obligatory? click here for more [INLINE] [INLINE] __ [Any Word] __ [LINK] [LINK] [LINK] [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] [LINK] Was Israel involved in the WTC and Pentagon terror attacks? Wednesday, September 19, 2001 [INLINE] Mossad planned strike? [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] Several days after the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington DC, reports emerged that some 4,000 Israelis working at the World Trade Center did not show up for work on the day of the aircraft blasts. A Muslim sheikh living in England commenting during a BBC news broadcast added that 40 Jewish Pentagon staff members did not show up for work on 11 September. The sheikh said it would not surprise him if it was discovered that the Mossad (the Israeli secret service) was behind the attacks. Last Saturday#8217;s news broadcast on several local television networks - including the National Broadcasting Network (NBN), state-owned Tele-Liban, Hizbullah#8217;s Manar TV and Qatar#8217;s al Jazeera satellite station - reported the same figures during their evening newscasts. OPTIONS [INLINE] E-mail this article to a friend [INLINE] Print this article with my printer [INLINE] Send Feedback to editorial [INLINE] No official source of information was mentioned in any of the news briefs, although the networks reported the Israeli secret service warned Israelis to stay away from several sites in the US. Meanwhile, Israeli newspaper the Jerusalem Post reported that Mossad officials traveled to Washington last month to warn the CIA and FBI that there would be a major operation taking place in the US#8217; major cities. The Israeli secret service allegedly offered no specific information about the targets but linked the attacks to Osama bin Laden and told the Americans there were strong grounds for suspecting Iraqi involvement, the paper reported. According to media reports, many Israelis worked in the high tech companies and trade agencies in the twin towers. Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot reported that some Israeli companies had offices in the WTC, but Israeli Channel Two television discredited this claim. Thus far, no Israelis have been located among the injured or deceased in any of the New York City hospitals. Israelis warned of attacks? Meanwhile, Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the Jordanian Al Watan newspaper that Israelis remained absent from work that fateful day based on information from the Shabak, the Israeli general security apparatus. According to the newspaper, American officials are requesting an explanation of how the Israeli government learned of the attacks before they occurred and why it refrained from informing the US authorities of the information. Manar TV reported that suspicions increased further after Yediot Ahronot reported the Shabak prevented Premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York to participate in a festival organized by Zionist organizations in support of Israel. Israelis arrested for #8216;puzzling behavior#8217; Meanwhile, five Israelis who had worked for a moving company based in New Jersey, are being held in US prisons for what the FBI described as puzzling behavior following last
[CTRL] Fwd: EXTRA!! President Bush linked to Osama bin Laden !!
Arrest EVERYONE with links to Osama bin Laden: President George W. Bush's business partner, Texan James R. Bath, handled investments for Osama bin Laden's brother Salim -- and for Osama himself, if his brother could be used as a front for some of these. http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2001-09-19/mecklin.html
[CTRL] Fwd: News from the sweden.indymedia.org:8081 newswire
--- Story from the sweden.indymedia.org:8081 newswire Checkout independent media coverage of politics, protest, and life at: http://sweden.indymedia.org:8081 This message was sent to you by: Comments: --- Article by: driver8 Tuesday 18 Sep 2001 Summary:Bush Jr.\'s ascent in the business world was funded by Bin Laden\'s dad who hid the money trail by processing it thru Bush\'s neighbor. Oilmen of a feather flcck together. What have these strange birds contrived? Using terror to get people to accept a police state?? Weblink: http://hardtruth.topcities.com/bush_laden.htm Reference at indymedia website: http://sweden.indymedia.org:8081//front.php3?article_id=9252 Article: \James R. Bath, friend and neighbor of George W. Bush, was used as a cash funnel from Osama bin Laden\'s rich father, Sheikh bin Laden, to set George W. Bush up in business, according to reputable sources from the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times.\ \James R. Bath, friend and neighbor of George W. Bush, was used as a cash funnel from Osama bin Laden\'s rich father, Sheikh bin Laden, to set George W. Bush up in business, according to reputable sources from the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times. The connection between GW Bush, the bin Laden family, and the Bank Commerce Credit International (BCCI) is well documented. The excerpts from the books and news articles are supplemented by the links at the bottom of the page to the cash flow charts of the bin Laden-backed BCCI money which was funneled into the Bush family in return for favors. Just click on the links at the bottom of the page to see the flow charts and use the back and forward keys on the screen to return to this page where you can then access the next flow chart link. \Bath--who made his fortune by investing money for Mahfouz and another BCCI-connected Saudi, Sheikh bin-Laden--...was an original investor in George Bush Jr.\'s oil exploration company...\ from The Outlaw Bank, page 229. \Bath provided financing to George W. Bush, the future president\'s eldest son, when he went into the oil business...\ from False Profits, page 365. \Bath told me he was in the CIA...he had been recruited by George Bush himself 1n 1976 when Bush was director of the agency...Bath and George, Jr. were pals and flew together in the same Air National Guard unit, and Bath lived down the street from the Bush family when George, Sr. was living in Houston...he became representative for Sheikh Khalid bin-Mafouz...one of the richest men in the world, and he was a controlling shareholder in...BCCI...\ from The Outlaw Bank, page 228. \BCCI was charged with laundering drug money...\ from False Profits, page 433. \During George Bush\'s tenure as CIA director, the agency was allegedly involved in a very curious business deal with James R. Bath, a Texas businessman who is a friend and sometime financial backer of one of Bush\'s sons (George Bush, Jr.). Bath was also a business associate of Khalid bin Mafouze and an important BCCI insider.\ from http://www.freerepublic.com/forum.a1000396.htm\; Rest of the story at: http://hardtruth.topcities.com/bush_laden.htm http://www.geocities.com/burningbush2000/3.html
[CTRL] Israel Stages Anti-US Demonstration - Jerusalem Times front page Vol. VIII, no. 397 (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:53:31 -0400 From: Zahi Damuni [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Al-Awda News [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AL-AWDA] Israel Stages Anti-US Demonstration - Jerusalem Times front page Vol. VIII, no. 397 From: nasser Abufarha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:59 PM This might prove interesting to analysts; it is drawn from the 14 September issue of the Jerusalem Times which was delivered to my house and scanned this morning. It is on the front page of Vol. VIII, no. 397: Israel Stages Anti-US Demonstration A team sent by the Israel Defense Ministry to film Palestinian children rejoicing in East Jerusalem staged the event that was later circulated in the US and around the world. A member of the team approached the Juhaina Sweets Shop and gave the owner 200 shekels and asked him to distrïbute the sweets to the children, according to the owner of the shop. Veteran Israeli political analyst Meron Benvenisti, a former deputy mayor of Jerusalem, noted in Ha'aretz (Thursday Sept. 13): A team from the Spokesman's Office of the Israel Defense Forces was sent to film the scenes of joy and candy being handed out in East Jerusalem `for public relations purposes Benvenisti wrote. - TJT Staff Department of Anthropology Eliot College University of Kent Canterbury CT2 7NS tel. 01227 823180 Prof. dr. W.H.M. Jansen Centre for Women's Studies University of Nijmegen P.O.Box 9104 6500 HE Nijmegen, Netherlands tel: +31.24.3612339 / 3612067 homepage: http://www.kun.nl/cvv fax: +31.24.3611881 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = http://al-awda.org To sign Al-Awda's petition to terminate US aid to Israel go to: http://al-awda.org/terminate_aid_petition.htm To sign a letter asking Intel Corporation to disinvest from Israel go to: http://al-awda.org/campaign/intel_letter.htm = Al-Awda, The Palestine Right to Return Coalition is the largest network of grassroots activists dedicated to Palestinian human rights. Al-Awda develops, coordinates, supports and guides as needed global and local grassroots initiatives for action related to Palestinian refugee rights. Unless indicated otherwise, all statements posted represent the views of their authors and not necessarily those of Al-Awda or this list's management who may be reached anytime at [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To find out how to join an Al-Awda action committees in your area, please visit our website at http://al-awda.org. = Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Middle East, Zionism, Peace, Iraq
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Jihad, Ecumenical Jihad and the New Century
-Caveat Lector- Let us find out the truth about the Tall Towers and who did what - for remember the Egyptian Jews the Mossad hired to murder Amerians and blame on Egyptians - case similar to the USS Liberty? Ariel Sharon is a butcher and the blood is at his door. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More on the 4,000
-Caveat Lector- seeing as we estimate 5000 missing, and only some 200 have been recovered and fewer than that identified... this statement is misleading at best -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. Samuel Adams NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:29:07 -0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] More on the 4,000 Thus far, no Israelis have been located among the injured or deceased in any of the New York City hospitals. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Middle East, Zionism, Peace, Iraq
-Caveat Lector- gotta love a site that calls itself mideast facts, and then only gives a one sided view of a situation -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - The police aren't here to create disorder, they are here to preserve disorder. Mayor Richard Daley NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:44:18 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Middle East, Zionism, Peace, Iraq -Caveat Lector- http://www.mideastfacts.com/index_usint.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Jihad, Ecumenical Jihad and the New Century
-Caveat Lector- you can say what u like saba - but so far it seems that your precious jihad has killed 5000 Americans - many Muslims included. Free your mind and your ass will follow. St George NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:48:28 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Jihad, Ecumenical Jihad and the New Century -Caveat Lector- Let us find out the truth about the Tall Towers and who did what - for remember the Egyptian Jews the Mossad hired to murder Amerians and blame on Egyptians - case similar to the USS Liberty? Ariel Sharon is a butcher and the blood is at his door. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Mossad Treachury....Masters of Deceit
NEVER FORGET THE USS LIBERTY. See how Murder Inc. Operates in Holy Land.then think of the USS Liberty and the World Trade Cener? Strange, Sharon about to be brought in as War Criminal, UN charging Israel with racism and the genocide was nice too. By the way - the music to trigger off the Killer Attack Egyptian Jews (and Egyptians involved in World Trade Center murders)the song was Oh Susanna - when they wold hear it play they were to kill Americans and their interests and Egyptians would be blamed.All a matter of History. Saba __ * THE LAVON AFFAIR * Now forgotten by most of the few people who ever knew about it, was the Lavon Affair that once rocked Israel to the very core. After the Egyptian revolution of 1952, relations between the U.S. and the new Gamal Abdel Nasser government steadily improved. Cultural and economic agreements between Egypt and other Arab states and the U.S. were being discussed, and it was sincerely hoped that the U.S. would aid the projected Aswan Dam development program. By 1954 American Ambassador Henry Byroade's personal friendship with Nasser seemed likely to produce results. A U.S. aid program of $50 million had been started. The situation was viewed in high Israeli quarters as a grave threat to the continued flow of American dollars into Israel from public, if not private, sources. A direct severance of relations between Egypt and the U.S. was deemed desirable. An Israeli espionage ring was sent to Egypt to bomb official U.S. offices and, if necessary, attack American personnel working there so as to destroy Egyptian-U.S. relations and eventually Arab-U.S. ties. The creation of simulated anti-British incidents was calculated to induce the British to maintain their Suez garrison. Several bomb incidents involving U.S. installations in Egypt followed. Small bombs shaped like books and secreted in book covers were brought into the USIA libraries in both Alexandria and Cairo. Fish skin bags filled with acid were placed on top of nitroglycerin bombs; it took several hours for the acid to eat through the bag and ignite the bomb. The book bombs were placed in the shelves of the library just before closing hours. Several hours later a blast would occur, shattering glass and shelves and setting fire to books and furniture. Similar bombs were placed in the Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Theater and in other American owned business buildings.24 In December two young Jewish Egyptian boys carrying identical bombs were caught as they were about to enter U.S. installations. Upon their confession, a sabotage gang of six other Jews was rounded up. Five more were implicated in the plot. The conspirators, who received sentences ranging from fifteen years to life, were the objects in the U.S. of multifold sympathetic editorials and articles. Nothing appeared in print at the time to refute the image that this had been but another Nasser conspiracy to unite his country against Israel. The cry anti-Semitism widely reverberated. In 1960 an investigation in Israel called attention to the forgery of an important document in what had been announced as a security mishap that had precipitated the resignation of Pinhas Lavon as Minister of Defense in 1955. Shimon Peres, then Deputy Minister of Defense, and Moshe Dayan had, with the forgery, attempted to place the legal responsibility for the unsuccessful 1954 sabotage attempt at Lavon's door. Ben-Gurion had fought the reopening of the case, but a subsequent rehearing revealed that Lavon had been an innocent victim of the machinations of Peres, Dayan, and Brigadier Abraham Givli. Even though the army, through censorship, attempted to cover up its own blunders, the Lavon Affair led to a Cabinet crisis and the resignation of the Ben-Gurion government in 1961. As late as December 29, 1960, the Times was still referring to the scandal only as a disastrous adventure in 1954. As the already abnormal ties between Israel and the U.S. grew stronger, scant attention was paid to the disclosure in Israel of this blatant attempt to torpedo U.S.-Arab relations. The above is taken from The Zionist Connection II, What Price Peace? by Alfred M. Lilienthal (J) == BACK MORE http://www.intellex.com/~rigs/page1/lavon.htm
[CTRL] More Israel Treachury
How much are we paying them and for what? Masters of Deceit? Saba Interesting items on Pollard http://www.mideastfacts.com/green_spies.html
Re: [CTRL] More on the 4,000
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/01 1:51:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: seeing as we estimate 5000 missing, and only some 200 have been recovered and fewer than that identified... this statement is misleading at best Not necessary. Quite a few of these will never be found. When several thousand tons falls on person who is standing on a concrete floor, there will not be much more than a greAse spot left. And then there is still at least a months worth of rubble left to remove. G*d knows what they will find under all that. And then there are the subway station and the PATH train station to be dug out. And the list goes on and on. Don't be in a hurry. Bill Howard âIt is wrong, always, everywhere and for everyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.ââW.K. Clifford Communism is a muderous failure. Socialism is communism with movie stars. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Report: ARIEL SHARON Bin Laden Now EQUALLY SUSPECT.
-Caveat Lector- CAVEAT LECTOR: From AWPD-List 9 11 Strategic Deception Desk updates: http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews43updates.html From: Dick Eastman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:10 PM Subject: ARIEL SHARON Bin Laden Now EQUALLY SUSPECT. We need investigation, not war. The short sell The low neumber of Jews in the Building The low number of people on the death flights The urging of many in the press to not bother investigating The methodical exploitation of the event in Israel Sharon's obvious motive to turn around public opinion after his brutal and callous willingness to retaliate with high collateral damage to innocent Palestinian bystanders and non-belligerents -- which cost Israel world opinion Sharon's brutalized background as a freedom fighter killing and carrying automatic weapons from age 14. Mossad's willingness to kill and deceive even allies for the greater good of defending Israel and its people The willingness to think big and incurr lots of deaths to make geopolitical gains, was when Israel attacked the American USS Liberty with US flag flying and in successive attacks to kill all witnesses -- either to frame Israel's enemies or because the Liberty may have picked up information that Israel did not want out. The fact that two of the supposed Arab/Moslem terrorists identified as having hijacked the planes for use as a curise missile have been found alive and well (one working in aviation in Tunisia) The fact that Israel also has its freedom fighters willing to die for the greater cause The fact that sophisticated psychological warfare means exist for recruiting useful idiots (perhaps deceiving or otherwise controlling men who hate and controlling them through manipulation of their hate and ignorance and frustration etc. The fact that Israel's leadership is partially Trotskyite and therefore dedicated to a strategy of creating conflict to destroy enemies of a particular brand of socialist future -- according to a philosophy of dialectical conflict (the Trotskyite is both an infiltrator and a believer in destruction as a means of attaining an eventual greater good); The fact that many American Jews love Israel, fear for the future of its people, care about relatives living there, and are obligated to go along even with dirty tricks as all Americans go along with dirty tricks, worthwhile collateral damage to innocent people -- notice how George W. Bush and Dick Cheny and Congress are now thinking and reacting exactly as is brutalized Ariel Sharon The fact that the clear beneficiary is Israel -- as a gigantic Crusade is no gotten up --and the US government is actually insisting that all who do not go along with this Crusade will be considered enemy!!! The fact that the media is giving the US patriotism and allowing real feeling for country and real expression of frustration to grow -- they are fanning the flames ruthlessly on the talk shows, even as they call for moderation at home -- a sure sign of readying/conditioning the population to be stampeeded into bloody unnecessary war -- as with the Gulf War, WWI, WWI, the Spanish American War, the War with Mexico etc. The fact that the American establishment monopoly is giving the current administration unprecedented praise and popularity-generating coverage as long as he continues to make let's-war, not-think talk. The fact that congress was immediately ready to dump 20 billion to fight terrorism rather than to locate the perpetrators -- 20 billion to the CIA which is heavily penetrated by Mossad. That is enough to to suggest suspicion is not entirely irrational -- after all we are living in an age of very sophisticated techniques of disinformation to attain political objectives -- the famous strategies of Sun Tzu that were consciously adopted by China's Mao Tse-tung and ZHou Enlai -- and China, by the way is Israel's closest ally -- Israel --or more properly Trotskyites within Israel-- gave the secret of the neutron bomb and other weapons to China during the Cold War-- the PRC and Israel were created at the same time, and long shared the status of outcastes with respect to much of the world -- and NOTE: Pakistan is something of a puppet of China, especially the Maoist Bhutto faction that has quais-returned to power with the lastest coup -- and think of the tremendous geopolicial gain for CHina if the US puts ground troops in Afganistan through puppet Pakistan -- the Arab peoples will hate America and will turn to China, which has remained silent and slightly two-faced throughout this controversy -- certainly no one in our State Department or WHite House is discussing or even thinking of this
[CTRL] Who Is the Liar? The Zionist In Paradise?
See the story here re the Twin Towers and not to mention the Pentagon. Consider the past actions of the deceitful Zionists and then say - who is lying and who is telling the truth. As for the body bag count at the World Trade Center better take a second look at who did what and who was paid to do what..As Meyer Lansky said when referring to a hit on JFK - find some nut to do it, and religious nuts, are a dime a dozen.. Israel a friend to the USA - don't make me laugh. REMEMBER THE USS LIBERTY. Saba (c) 1994 News International Press Service Interview with Ron Kuby The World Trade Center Bombing and the Muslim Conspiracy Trials by Husayn Al-Kurdi Ron Kuby, a partner of the renowned William Kunstler, has been the defense lawyer most involved in defending the people who are being swept up in Muslim conspiracy trials which followed the bombing of the World Trade Center in New York. Although the government's official story keeps changing, with most of the media following course, it remains clear, as has been reported in previous articles by the present author*, that the bombing of the World Trade Center and the incitement of various people to commit illegal acts is the responsibility of one Emad Salem, an FBI informant and sometime Egyptian government operative. During my interview with Kuby, the nature of the witch-hunts being directed towards Muslims was clarified as he showed how the conspiracy was of GOVERNMENT origin, with informant, Judge, prosecution and media all dutifully playing their parts. Was there anything in my previous articles on the World Trade Center bombing and the subsequent conspiracy trial that requires amendation, correction or amplification? *Islamic Fundamentalism - New Whipping Boy on the Block, The Alternative 11/30/93; Muslim Speaks Out Against War on Islam, The Final Call 1/19/94; World Trade Center Bombing Trial Raises Troubling Questions Questions for FBI, The Espresso 4/15/94; Who Blew Up the World Trade Center?, Anderson Valley Advertiser 4/20/94. The article on the FBI being involved in the World Trade Center bombing actually UNDERSTATED the evidence, believe it or not. The informer, Emad Salem, is actually on tape saying that he built the bomb that ultimately blew up the World Trade Center. In addition, we have received information that he was visually observed at the scene of the bombing shortly after the bombing took place. Shortly after that, he was admitted to the hospital, suffering from an ear problem that was consistent with exposure to blast. Also, we know that he had a motive to blow up the World Trade Center, the motive being that he had been dealing with the FBI since at least November 1991, trying to convince the FBI that he had infiltrated a cell of radical Muslims, trying to get the FBI to pay him for his information. He kept going to the FBI with ever more hysterical statements about bombs and explosives. In the summer of 1992, the FBI, after apparently giving him a lie-detector test, refused to believe him anymore and cut him loose. He needed a payoff. What better way for this sociopath, a conscienceless human being, than to actually bomb the World Trade Center. Indeed, within hours of the bombing the FBI was back on the phone to him, promising him anything and everything if only he would help them crack the case. The FBI, having set this maniac loose, bears some of the responsibility for what happened. When did Emad Salem start to work for them? We don't know precisely. We do know he was affiliated with Egyptian intelligence for quite some time. The FBI officially acknowledges that Emad Salem began to work for them in November 1991, during the trial of Sayyid Nosair, at which Nosair was found not guilty of murdering Rabbi Meir Kahane. It was at that point that he infiltrated himself into the group supporting Sayyid Nosair. It was Emad Salem, as early as December of 1991, who was telling groups of these people that they should become more militant. At one point Emad Salem suggested they throw Molotov cocktails at a synagogue, to which the people listening were absolutely horrified and were refusing to have anything to do with him. After that, he sort of toned down his rhetoric. What is the current situation, in the wake of the sentencing in the World Trade Center bombing conspiracy trial? After the four defendants were convicted, they fired their lawyers. You will recall that all of these defendant, with the exception of one, were denied counsels of their choice. The Judge refused to appoint any of these lawyers because he didn't like them. He didn't want any activist movement political lawyers. So they had to leave the case and were replaced by this second-rate and even third-rate legal team. There was a disastrous defense which did everything wrong that could be done wrong. After the defendants were convicted, they fired all their lawyers and said they
[CTRL] stratfor's vs. palestinian theory
-Caveat Lector- this conflicsts with the stratfor post from just a couple of days earlier...what is stratfor's stance on this post's antithetical nature to the one following the bars of ~'s... [CTRL] Fwd: STRATFOR Real-Time Analysis: Suspects List From: Kris Millegan Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: STRATFOR Real-Time Analysis: Suspects List Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:29:27 -0700 ___ S T R A T F O R THE GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE COMPANY http://www.stratfor.com ___ 11 September 2001 Al-Qaida Tops Suspect List 1630 GMT, 010911 Osama bin Laden's organization , Al Qaida, is the prime suspect in the spate of attacks against the United States. Based in Afghanistan, the group has been linked to a series of attacks on U.S. assets around the world and has repeatedly threatened to strike the United States within its own borders. An umbrella organization with an operational reach that stretches around the globe, Al-Qaida has been extremely successful at maintaining a high level of security and secrecy. Despite the intelligence efforts of several world powers, bin Laden's organization has continued to support or facilitate acts of international terrorism. No nation has successfully penetrated the organization. This is partly due to the fact that Al-Qaida operates as an umbrella group supporting a host of cells around the world. The organization develops autonomous cells capable of operating individually without a central command. Additionally, Al-Qaida coordinates operations and activities with various other militant organizations around the world. The hierarchy of the relationships remains unknown. Bin Laden himsefl has repeatedly threatened acts of terrorism against the United States, and Al-Qaida was pinpointed in the attacks on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998. Bin Laden, a Saudi, has operated from Afghanistan for several years. The Taliban, a radical Muslim authority that rules most of Afghanistan, has denied responsibility for the attacks on New York City and Washington, D.C. _ Austin Office 700 Lavaca, Suite 405 Austin, TX 78701 Phone: 512-744-4300 http://www.stratfor.com/media Understand the globe, with intelligence. Copyright 2001, Strategic Forecasting, LLC ~~ From: Nurev Ind. Subject: [CTRL] Who is the DFLP? Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:44:47 -0700 -Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: STRATFOR Real-Time Analysis: Who is the DFLP? S T R A T F O R THE GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE COMPANY http://www.stratfor.com 11 September 2001 Who is the DFLP? 1515 GMT, 010911 The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) has reportedly claimed responsibility for the attacks on the World Trade Center. This report, fromm a television station in Abu Dhabi, in unconfirmed. The DFLP was formed in 1969 with an estimated membership of 500. It was originally based in Syria, but the location of its current headquarters are unknown. The DFLP receives financial and military aid from Syria and Libya. It operates in Syria, Lebanon, Israel and the occupied territories. Its leader is Naif Hawatmeh, according to Israeli-based Interdisciplinary Center. The group was largely dormant from 1988 until this summer, when it claimed responsibility for an Aug. 25 attack against an Israeli military post in the Gaza Strip that left three Israeli soldiers dead. This attack was the first instance of Palestinians successfully using conventional military-style tactics. Before this year, DFLP operations have always taken place either inside Israel or the West Bank and Gaza. Typical acts include minor bombings and grenade attacks, as well as operations to seize hostages and attempts to negotiate the return of Israeli- held Palestinian prisoners. The group split from the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) years ago, but reconciled with the PFLP - and with Palestinian Authority leader Yasser Arafat - in August 1999. The attacks differ significantly from the DFLP's previous methods of operation. Likewise, the
Re: [CTRL] Report: ARIEL SHARON Bin Laden Now EQUALLY SUSPECT.
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:20:00 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Report: ARIEL SHARON Bin Laden Now EQUALLY SUSPECT. -Caveat Lector- CAVEAT LECTOR: From AWPD-List 9 11 Strategic Deception Desk updates: http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews43updates.html From: Dick Eastman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:10 PM Subject: ARIEL SHARON Bin Laden Now EQUALLY SUSPECT. We need investigation, not war. The short sell The low neumber of Jews in the Building Jews or Israelis? I dont think anyone has published numbers of Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, atheists, etc has anyone seen such numbers? The low number of people on the death flights this only proves that whoever steered into the buildings wanted as little resistance from the passengers as possible. The urging of many in the press to not bother investigating I have not heard of this either - I've heard calls for deeper investigation, though. The methodical exploitation of the event in Israel just as the right wing govt. in America's exploitation of this doesn't implicate them, the exploitation by Israelis doesn't implicate them either. Many people will take advantage of this event, most of whom had nothing to do with it Sharon's obvious motive to turn around public opinion after his brutal and callous willingness to retaliate with high collateral damage to innocent Palestinian bystanders and non-belligerents -- which cost Israel world opinion that's a good motive so is America troops in Saudi Arabia, the bombing of Somalia, and a general demonization of Islam , since we lost the Russians as a bogeyman Sharon's brutalized background as a freedom fighter killing and carrying automatic weapons from age 14. Sharon is a brutal animal - so was pol pot - so what - doesn't mean either of them did it. Mossad's willingness to kill and deceive even allies for the greater good of defending Israel and its people this again isn't proof of anything - its a statement, not even necessarily a fact The willingness to think big and incurr lots of deaths to make geopolitical gains, was when Israel attacked the American USS Liberty with US flag flying and in successive attacks to kill all witnesses -- either to frame Israel's enemies or because the Liberty may have picked up information that Israel did not want out. its pretty clear it was the latter but that was then - doesn't say anything about now - why not mention say fundamentalist extremists willingness to kill innocents in pizzerias, discos, embassies, airliners, etc The fact that two of the supposed Arab/Moslem terrorists identified as having hijacked the planes for use as a curise missile have been found alive and well (one working in aviation in Tunisia) again - this only proves we either don't have all the info yet, or that the terrorists used fake id's. it says nothing about who did this attack The fact that Israel also has its freedom fighters willing to die for the greater cause so that makes it more likely to be them than others, who have actually acted on this belief? The fact that sophisticated psychological warfare means exist for recruiting useful idiots (perhaps deceiving or otherwise controlling men who hate and controlling them through manipulation of their hate and ignorance and frustration etc. only Jews have this power? The fact that Israel's leadership is partially Trotskyite and therefore dedicated to a strategy of creating conflict to destroy enemies of a particular brand of socialist future -- according to a philosophy of dialectical conflict (the Trotskyite is both an infiltrator and a believer in destruction as a means of attaining an eventual greater good); can you point out a single trotskyite in the Israeli govt.? The fact that many American Jews love Israel, fear for the future of its people, care about relatives living there, and are obligated to go along even with dirty tricks as all Americans go along with dirty tricks, worthwhile collateral damage to innocent people -- notice how George W. Bush and Dick Cheny and Congress are now thinking and reacting exactly as is brutalized Ariel Sharon same could be said about arab-americans' no? The fact that the clear beneficiary is Israel -- as a gigantic Crusade is no gotten up --and the US government is actually insisting that all who do not go along with this Crusade will be considered enemy!!! except we are about to cut them out of the loop for non cooperation The fact that the media is giving the US patriotism and allowing real feeling for country and real expression of frustration to grow -- they are fanning the flames ruthlessly on the talk shows, even as they call for moderation at home -- a sure sign of readying/conditioning the population to be stampeeded into bloody
[CTRL] A letter from Julienne
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- Hi All, I have been thinking. A sudden revelation hit me a few days ago about why George Bush Jr. has such trouble communicating - falling all over his words, using the wrong words, etc. I think it is because there is a dysjunct between what he says and what he really believes. When what we say is authentic there is usually a natural flow. George Bush jerks around, his eyes searching for reaction and approval. If he gets a bit of approval, he is energized, and gets excited, and tries to say more, still falling over his words, searching awkwardly for sentence endings, stumbling all over. When we don't tell the truth, we are tense - and we have to be very careful what we are saying because we might trip and let slip the real truth. A further complication is that Bush has to either read his speeches, or he has to memorize statements. If you notice, he often accents the wrong words, as though he doesn't really get the meaning or significance. We are dealing with a chronic and inveterate liar in George Bush, as his father and mother before him. It is very important to know we are being manipulated. George Bush is not a legitimate president, and if someone wants to maintain that he is a legal president, there is no way to claim him a morally legitimate president. This means his whole presidency is a lie. This means we are going to be lied to - a lot. This means we must be alert. Already we are seeing signs that information is being manipulated and distorted, events denied. The latest is that they are saying Bin Laden has made a profit on the bombings because he has insurance stock. Is this true? I don't know - but I wonder if George Bush also has insurance stock? Remember that George Bush is a man who believes that other countries out there are evil. His knowledge of history and politics is abysmal, and he functions on a giant degree of ignorance and prejudice. No wonder he, like his father, can so easily go after them, and declare war so casually. In his mind these are not really human beings. Some of the questionable information floating around: 1) That the terrorists were after Air Force One. Seems it would have been almost impossible because of physical ground logistics, and even more impossible in the air. The terrorists were not practiced pilots, while the pilots of Air Force One are top of the line. This story was supposedly concocted to cover for why Bush didn't show up and was running scared instead of standing bravely to lead. 2) Bin Laden has been labeled as the brain and funding behind this act, but there is no proof yet, and those in the area say he isn't. Bin Laden himself says he isn't. 3) Bush lied about so many things before becoming president, such as his military experience ( he was taken off his plane because of his drug problems, and should have been courtmartialed for not showing up much after that.) Anyone else would have been. His drug problems, his drinking, and so many other things have been hinted at. When these stores started to come out, a furor was mounted against those who revealed the information instead of holding Bush responsible. As my son says, it's not that we *don't* know, it's that we *won't* know. We don't want to know, and so we go into denial, and then become very hostile to truth tellers. So now, what we do. We need to be alert to the brainwashing we will be subject to. How do we recognize it? Watch for catch phrases - phrases, ideas, words, being repeated over and over. Some we've already seen: America Under Attack, which has changed now to, America at War, America's New War (ominous - sounds as though wars are to be expected like fashions, exchanging one for another with the seasons.) And then there is The First War of the Twenty First Century, again with the suggestion of further wars to be expected, as though war were a normal and healthy phenomenon - an idea which is itself a form of brainwashing. The same music being played and replayed on TV. Notice how much patriotic music is being played now, and religious music. In connection with the war against Iraq the catch phrase is weapons of mass destruction.a phrase designed to scare the living daylights out of us as we envision Armageddon and the end of everything, and make us willing to go along with anything to avoid such a fate. Of course, what is neatly ignored is that the United States is the world's #1 maker of *weapons of mass destruction*, sold them to Iraq and just about every other country (hey - profits are sweet - the heck with what is done with the weapons.) We also supplied them to various countries because we supported their attacks against other nations. Bin Laden was trained by us, as were these latest terrorists. Watch for off pronunciation. An example from IRAQ - Sodom Hussein - with the clear connection to Sodom and Gomorrah. Another is the fairly recent way the Right has started referring to the Republican Agenda,
[CTRL] Some facts to ponder over regarding the WTC investigation (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum, FBI's Investigation of the WTC Tragedy Exposed: Part 1: The Black Box and the Indestructible Passport All four Black Boxes were supposedly destroyed and rendered unusable in spite of the fact that they are designed specifically for plane crashes which result in insurmountable conditions...yet one of the hijackers passports supposedly survives fire and heat of over 1,000 degrees fahrenheit and is found in perfect shape in the rubble around the WTC towers? What kind of idiots does the FBI take us for? How indestructible are the so-called Black Boxes? Each airplane is equipped with a Flight Data Recorder and a Cockpit Voice Recorded. The term Black Box is used for these pieces of equipment. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) web site gives valuable information regarding these devices. Regarding the Cockpit Voice Recorder it says: The CVR records the flight crew's voices, as well as other sounds inside the cockpit. The recorder's cockpit area microphone is usually located on the overhead instrument panel between the two pilots. Sounds of interest to an investigator could be engine noise, stall warnings, landing gear extension and retraction, and other clicks and pops. From these sounds, parameters such as engine rpm, system failures, speed, and the time at which certain events occur can often be determined. Communications with Air Traffic Control, automated radio weather briefings, and conversation between the pilots and ground or cabin crew are also recorded. [NTSB web site http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/CVR_FDR.htm] Regarding the Flight Data Recorder it says: The FDR onboard the aircraft records many different operating conditions of the flight. By regulation, newly manufactured aircraft must monitor at least twenty eight important parameters such as time, altitude, airspeed, heading, and aircraft attitude. In addition, some FDRs can record the status of more than 300 other in-flight characteristics that can aid in the investigation. The items monitored can be anything from flap position to auto-pilot mode or even smoke alarms. [NTSB web site http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/CVR_FDR.htm] Thus as we see each plane is equipped with two seperate Black Box devices which relay different yet complimentary information. It goes on to say: Both the Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder have proven to be valuable tools in the accident investigation process. They can provide information THAT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN BY OTHER MEANS. [NTSB web site http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/CVR_FDR.htm] They are meant to be the hardy and sure way to get information regarding the last minutes before the plane went down. Here are the specifications of these devices including what they can withstand: FLIGHT DATA RECORDER Time recorded: 25 hour continuous Number of parameters: 5 - 300+ Impact tolerance: 3400Gs /6.5ms Fire resistance: 1100 degC/30 min Water pressure resistance: submerged 20,000 ft Underwater locator beacon: 37.5 KHz Battery: 6yr shelf life 30 day operation COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER Time recorded: 30 min continuous, 2 hours for solid state digital units Number of channels: 4 Impact tolerance: 3400 Gs /6.5ms Fire resistance: 1100 deg C /30 min Water pressure resistance: submerged 20,000 ft Underwater locator beacon: 37.5 KHz Battery: 6yr shelf life 30 day operation These specifications indicate equipment which can survive just about any conditions and any crash. Indeed, Black Boxes have been recovered from crashes in swamps, mountains, and oceans. ABC News reports: Although investigators look for an entire black box, sometimes the only parts of the device that survive are the recorder's crash-survivable memory units (CSMU). THE CSMU IS ALMOST INDESTRUCTABLE. It is housed within a stainless-steel shell that contains titanium or aluminum and a high-temperature insulation of dry silica material. It is designed to withstand HEAT OF UP TO 2,000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT FOR ONE HOUR, salt water for at least 30 days, immersion in a variety of liquids such as jet fuel and lubricants, AND AN IMPACT OF 3,400 G's. By comparison, astronauts are typically exposed to up to six Gs during a shuttle takeoff. [ABCNews - http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/TechTV/techtv_blackboxes010917.html] So the Black Box is designed to withstand an impact of 3,400 G's. So what about the Pennsylvania crash site? THE VOICE RECORDER WAS SAID TO BE HEAVILY DAMAGED, and the manufacturer was being asked to help with further analysis. The plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was reported to have hit the ground in excess of 500 MILES PER HOUR. [ABCNews - http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/dailynews/wtc_main010915.html] The plane hit the ground at 500 mph. Taking the weight of the plane, its speed of descent, the G's end up much, much lower than 3,400. Since each plane has two seperate Black Boxes which are designed to be indestructable in the event of a tragedy, that makes
