Re: [darktable-user] Strange update behaviour

[Jean-Luc]

Le 16/02/2022 à 14:29, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :

* Peter  [02-16-22 06:53]:

Dear all

End of december I updated to dt 3.8, then last week came the mail for
the update to 3.8.1. Because I was away, I wanted to update today Feb
16th. I first opened the program for a check and strangely I found then out, 
that my version is 3.8.1!! Hence I am not very long with Linux (Mint 20.3), I 
wonder how this can happen, is this normal?

appears you have someone helping you administer your system.  have you
been breached?


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Jean-Luc]

Le 01/03/2022 à 18:48, Willy Williams a écrit :
Pascal, you were correct.  The watermark works well in Linux now.  
Thank you!


Willy Williams



On 3/1/22 at 12:15, Pascal Obry wrote:

Hello !

I believe that if you convert the text to a path all will work well.


Hello,


Does this mean that dt kerning handling differs according to the OS ?

Rgrds,

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Re: Fwd: [darktable-user] darktable suddenly refuses to launch on Manjaro

[Jean-Luc]

Le 25/08/2023 à 14:31, Bruce Williams a écrit :

No, I had not!
This was the error thrown by the terminal:

an error occurred while trying to execute gdb. please check if gdb is 
installed on your system.

backtrace written to /tmp/darktable_bt_XHGFA2.txt
zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped)  darktable


[.../...]

Hello,

And sorry to come so late.
There has already been a discussion about such an error involving gdg 
(gnu debug).

IIRC, such error is related to some corrupted config or db file.
Might be worth restoring the files at the time you updated to 4.4 and 
see what happens...


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Re: [darktable-user] Struggling with noise profiles creation

[Jean-Luc]

Le 25/05/2022 à 00:03, Jean-Luc a écrit :


Hello,

I am desperately trying to create the profiles following these 
explanations 
<https://pixls.us/articles/how-to-create-camera-noise-profiles-for-darktable/>.
The prerequisites are all met, but whatever my settings are the 
pictures are stated not over-exposed and the script fails.
On my last attempt, I made sure the pictures would be over-exposed, 
but then most of the pictures are reported as neither over-exposed nor 
under-exposed, as some are reported as not over-exposed only.
What annoys me is that I cannot find any log, the only file except 
raws and jpegs being output-files-list.txt which contains the list of 
jpegs created.


Any idea where this log could be hidden ?

Rgrds,

J.-Luc


 
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Oops ! I was really tired at the time I wrote this - I did not mention 
the OS. 

I am running Ubuntu 20.04.
I do not think the version of dt should be relevant, as I am running a 
script on its own, but in case it would : I downloaded and built 
different versions from 3.8.1 to latest, and always faced the same 
behaviour.


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[darktable-user] Struggling with noise profiles creation

[Jean-Luc]

Hello,

I am desperately trying to create the profiles following these 
explanations 
.
The prerequisites are all met, but whatever my settings are the pictures 
are stated not over-exposed and the script fails.
On my last attempt, I made sure the pictures would be over-exposed, but 
then most of the pictures are reported as neither over-exposed nor 
under-exposed, as some are reported as not over-exposed only.
What annoys me is that I cannot find any log, the only file except raws 
and jpegs being output-files-list.txt which contains the list of jpegs 
created.


Any idea where this log could be hidden ?

Rgrds,

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[darktable-user] WB strange behaviour

[Jean-Luc]

Hello,

I am still running focal and finally got dt to upgrade to 4.0 yesterday. 
Cool !
I will have to learn some more things, as it comes with many 
improvements and bug fixes.

And it finally brings wb and noiseprofile support for my D4s.
About wb, I noticed something strange.
I had worked on a few photos on 3.8, on which I had set wb to Camera 
neutral and adjusted Color calibration using the color picker.
But, when I reviewed my photos on 4.0, a few minutes ago, they all 
displayed a warning on both wb and cc, and it appeared that wb was reset 
to Camera (instead of Camera neutral).
Could this be a normal behaviour, due to the fact that there were no wb 
support for this camera before ?


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Re: [darktable-user] WB strange behaviour

[Jean-Luc]

Le 12/07/2022 à 21:39, Pascal Obry a écrit :

Hi Jean-Luc,

This is not a bug but an anticipated side effect of a move that was
really needed since a long time.

The camera adobe coef are now taken from rawspeed directly instead of
dt adobe_coeff.c. We knew that some coefs were not in sync with the
ones in rawspeed and that's why you see this behavior.

The good news is that this simplification by using directly the coefs
from rawspeed instead of a copy will avoid any more issues like this.

To fix, just reapply the camera neutral setting in WB module.

Regards,


Hello Pascal,

Fine, now I know.
And, of course, I found that just re-applying the preset seemed to work, 
but I wanted to be sure whether it was a normal behaviour or not before 
telling about it.

No need anymore, you did it. ;-)
By the way, does it mean that now copying/pasting wb from a picture to 
others will give more accurate results (from my quick testings, it seems 
that yes, but i am not sure) ?


Rgrds,

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[darktable-user] Crash when applying time offset

[Jean-Luc]

Hello,

[dt 4.0 / ubuntu 20.04]

Struggling with geotagging. Trying to apply an offset to photos, but dt 
always crash and returns to desktop.
One hour later, I opened an issue there 
.

Anyone else facing this ?

Rgrds,

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[darktable-user] Auto-applying presets... what am I doing wrong ?

[Jean-Luc]

Hello,

Running dt 4.0 on Focal 20.04.
I am currently setting presets that should automatically be applied 
according to the recognized lens.
But, unfortunately, none of them are. Or, more exactly, the module is 
not activated - neither at import, nor when resetting the history, and 
so I have to activate it manually each time.
I suppose it must be related to the way the lens are identified and how 
I set it. So let's take an example :


1. the exif image infos reports this
   
,
2. the lens is reported like this
   

3. I filled the fields this way
   

   (after activating the module, of course).

I insist on the fact that I activate the module before I create the 
setting - though I am not sure whether it really matters or not.

The online manual does not say much about this. What am I doing wrong ?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [darktable-user] "while balance applied twice" warning in DT 4.0

[Jean-Luc]

Le 13/07/2022 à 10:57, Mikael Ståldal a écrit :
Ah, got it, thanks for the explanation. Now when I know how it works, 
it makes sense.


(I guess that I should have read the user manual before asking, since 
it is explained there.)


However, I think the error messages could be improved. I am used to 
modules working more or less independently from each other, and this 
coupling is unexpected.



On 2022-07-13 10:42, Remco Viëtor wrote:

On mercredi 13 juillet 2022 10:20:50 CEST Mikael Ståldal wrote:

Now I get the same problem when importing a new photo in 4.0. It's fine
right after import, but as soon as I change something in the White
Balance module, I get the "while balance applied twice" warning, and in
Color Calibration it says "white balance module error".

I get this in the console:
-
[color calibration] white balance error
[color calibration] white balance error
[color calibration] white balance error
[white balance] double application of white balance
[white balance] double application of white balance
[color calibration] white balance error
That's exactly the planned behaviour: if you want to use the color 
calibration

module, the white balance module should be set to "camera reference".
The reasoning behind that is that the demosaic module needs some form 
of white
balancing/camera correction to give a decent result, but the proper 
place to

correct for illuminant (aka colour of scene lighting) is later in the
pipeline. 
I must admit I did not understand when I read this using the help on the 
WB module.
But now, after Pascal explained it and you pointed it again, I read the 
help again and finally found that it makes sense.


[OT]By the way, I realize that I never thanked the devs for adding exif 
handling in the metadata fields at import.

This feature is really helpful. Many thanks. :-) [/OT]

Rgrds,

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Re: [darktable-user] How to lock sorting order ?

[Jean-Luc]

Le 28/07/2022 à 06:12, Terry Pinfold a écrit :

Hi Jean-Luc,
       I am using DT on a windows computer and I followed your 
instructions and could not replicate your issue. Even after closing 
and restarting DT it kept the same sort settings for me. I am not sure 
if anyone else can replicate your problem. Knowing the OS and DT 
version may help. Good luck.


On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 at 01:12, Jean-Luc  
wrote:


Hello,

The online help does not say aynthing about this :

 1. on the top of the window, select a sorting order (for instance
: full path)
 2. in the left panel, go to Collections and select what to filter on
 3. double-click on to the collections that are displayed in the list
 4. the sorting order is reset to its original kind (in my case :
name)

So each time I have to go and select again Full path.
Is there a way to lock the selection ?

Rgrds,

J.-Luc



Hello Terry,

Indeed. Focused on describing as accurately as possible, and again 
forgot to give details about OS and dt.

So : dt 4.0 on Ubuntu 20.04.
Here are screenshots :
Step 1- set sort order


Steps 3- to 4- (1: to 3: on the screenshots)...


If you confirm it does not behave this way on your system, I will open 
an issue.


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Re: [darktable-user] How to lock sorting order ?

[Jean-Luc]

Le 28/07/2022 à 23:48, Terry Pinfold a écrit :

Hi J-Luc,
         On my system DT sorts correctly. I have tested this on two 
different windows computers.


On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 00:48, Jean-Luc  
wrote:


Le 28/07/2022 à 06:12, Terry Pinfold a écrit :

Hi Jean-Luc,
       I am using DT on a windows computer and I followed your
instructions and could not replicate your issue. Even after
closing and restarting DT it kept the same sort settings for me.
I am not sure if anyone else can replicate your problem. Knowing
the OS and DT version may help. Good luck.

On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 at 01:12, Jean-Luc
 wrote:

Hello,

The online help does not say aynthing about this :

 1. on the top of the window, select a sorting order (for
instance : full path)
 2. in the left panel, go to Collections and select what to
filter on
 3. double-click on to the collections that are displayed in
the list
 4. the sorting order is reset to its original kind (in my
case : name)

So each time I have to go and select again Full path.
Is there a way to lock the selection ?

Rgrds,

J.-Luc



Hello Terry,

Indeed. Focused on describing as accurately as possible, and again
forgot to give details about OS and dt.
So : dt 4.0 on Ubuntu 20.04.
Here are screenshots :
Step 1- set sort order


Steps 3- to 4- (1: to 3: on the screenshots)...


If you confirm it does not behave this way on your system, I will
open an issue.

Rgrds,

J.-Luc


OK, so time for a bug report.

Rgrds,

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Re: [darktable-user] Auto-applying presets... what am I doing wrong ?

[Jean-Luc]

Le 14/07/2022 à 18:01, Jean-Luc a écrit :


Hello,

Running dt 4.0 on Focal 20.04.
I am currently setting presets that should automatically be applied 
according to the recognized lens.
But, unfortunately, none of them are. Or, more exactly, the module is 
not activated - neither at import, nor when resetting the history, and 
so I have to activate it manually each time.
I suppose it must be related to the way the lens are identified and 
how I set it. So let's take an example :


 1. the exif image infos reports this

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zMlxuk_DmfaRfSIN04FoxST6v6UMBAGr/view?usp=sharing>,
 2. the lens is reported like this

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/13CZ7pxUuQUsE4zWzX7_CUN_ctJ0FtduQ/view?usp=sharing>
 3. I filled the fields this way

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k1zVhu533wQY612Y40AbSS-N8XX3RKNY/view?usp=sharing>
(after activating the module, of course).

I insist on the fact that I activate the module before I create the 
setting - though I am not sure whether it really matters or not.

The online manual does not say much about this. What am I doing wrong ?

Thanks in advance,

J.-Luc


 
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Hello,

Would it happen to be something obvious ? I am afraid that I still do 
not understant what is wrong.
Moreover, I am nearly sure - no, in this case I cannot state it - it 
used to work on dt 3.8.


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[darktable-user] How to lock sorting order ?

[Jean-Luc]

Hello,

The online help does not say aynthing about this :

1. on the top of the window, select a sorting order (for instance :
   full path)
2. in the left panel, go to Collections and select what to filter on
3. double-click on to the collections that are displayed in the list
4. the sorting order is reset to it's original kind (in my case : name)

So each time I have to go and select again Full path.
Is there a way to lock the selection ?

Rgrds,

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Re: [darktable-user] Auto-applying presets... what am I doing wrong ?

[Jean-Luc]

Le 21/07/2022 à 21:08, Pascal Obry a écrit :

Hello Jean-Luc,

The name you reported from the Exif contains Zoom and this is not what
is entered into the pattern for the matching on the module.

The string must be exact match or you can use the joker '%' before and
after to match whatever is in prefix or suffix.



Heu !?

I thought it had to match the string in the lens-info section of lens 
correction module ! 
It made no doubt to me, so I made sure I typed the string with no 
alteration and checked... many times, before I came here searching for help.

I will correct this as soon as possible.

Thanks,

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[darktable-user] Color calibration charts

[Jean-Luc]

Hello,

I just updated dt to recent 3.8 (from 3.2 on the computer I am currently 
using) and noticed the color calibration module that uses calibration 
charts.
Unfortunately, the one I own is not listed, and the fine manual states 
that "Users are not currently permitted to use custom targets, but a 
limited number of verified color checkers (from reputable manufacturers) 
are supported".
OK, but is there any chance my Faust IT8 can be added some day ? Or, is 
there something I can do to help adding it ?


Merry Eastern,

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Re: [darktable-user] extract_wb_from_images error

[Jean-Luc]

Le 08/05/2022 à 23:18, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :

* Jean-Luc  [05-08-22 15:43]:

Le 08/05/2022 à 19:29, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :

* Jean-Luc  [05-08-22 13:19]:

Hello,

I decided to contribute and followed the instructions so as to get the wb
presets for Nikon D4s cameras.
I first could not find the script in no place on both the computers I am
currently using, so I downloaded it directly from github.
Unfortunately, when I launch it it ends with an error message :
ligne 7:  erreur de syntaxe près du symbole inattendu « newline »
ligne 7:  ``
Would I have missed something ?

you did not provide the version of dt and dt is a moving target?

Yes, indeed. Why should I have bothered with that ? I am not using dt, but a
script running on its own.

the provided script appears for me on openSUSE Tumbleweed at
/data/darktable/tools/extract_wb_from_images.sh

Neither this one, nor the py one here.

So I (thought I) downloaded it from the master branch at github. But it
seems that what is named extract_wb_from_images.sh there is not a script but
a html page - thank-you Sarunas.


and completes w/o error

Extracting WB presets.
preparing tarball...
cleaning up...
Extracting wb presets done, post the following file to us:
/home/paka/darktable-whitebalance-20220508.tar.gz


and I cannot read/translate other than English.


I just copyed the message as is. Translating it into english would have had
no sense IMHO.

well, it makes absolutely no sense to me in ?French?

the correct *current* script is available here:
   http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/extract_wb_from_images.sh

   


Sarunas pointed me to the right file which I downloaded and and ran.

Then it could generate the archive and I submitted.

Unfortunately, it seems that I replied to Sarunas instead of the list, 
so you did not know about this.


I am quite sure I did settings in thuderbird so as to always include the 
list. Must have been altered when my HD crashed last week and I 
struggled to retrieve data.


Rgrds,

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[darktable-user] extract_wb_from_images error

[Jean-Luc]

Hello,

I decided to contribute and followed the instructions so as to get the 
wb presets for Nikon D4s cameras.
I first could not find the script in no place on both the computers I am 
currently using, so I downloaded it directly from github.

Unfortunately, when I launch it it ends with an error message :
ligne 7:  erreur de syntaxe près du symbole inattendu « newline »
ligne 7:  ``
Would I have missed something ?

Rgrds,

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Re: [darktable-user] Exif tag lost during conversion nef to jpg

[Jean-Luc]

Le 14/10/2022 à 17:53, Ruud Baart a écrit :

Hi,

while converting from nef to jpg using

    darktable-cli file.nef xmp-file file.jpg

the exif tag GPSAltitude is lost. There are more differences in the 
exif tags between the jpg and nef file. See attached pdf.


I seems to me  the missing GPSAltitude and the double DateTimeOriginal 
are bugs. Other differences can be correct. Could someone with more 
experience than I have maybe take a look at it? The missing  
GPSAltitude is a bit annoying.



Hello,

Maybe I am wrong, but if I remember correctly this can be set using a 
menu in the export module.

There you can set what data you whish to export together with you images.

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[darktable-user] Highlights recovery / Filmic v6

[Jean-Luc]

Hello,

Running dt 4.0 from ppa on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (still not 22.04 yet).
I am trying to understand whether it makes sense or not to use 
Highlights reconstruction together with filmic v6, since it seems it 
brings its own highlight reconstruction tools.
The french online help seems no longer available, and maybe I did not 
understand correctly.

Could someone please confirm ?

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[darktable-user] dt 4.0 corrupts disk

[Jean-Luc]

Hello,

dt 4.0 repo / Ubuntu 20.04 LTS / Dell E5540 16 GB RAM / 1To SSD, photos 
on external DD.


This is the second time this happens since running dt 4.0 : pasting 
development to a series of photos, dt suddenly freezes and nothing 
responds anymore.
After over one hour waiting in vain, I have to kill dt. Then, the 
external DD displays garbage and cannot be accessed anymore. So I have 
switch the computer off.

When I restart it, te DD is no more mountable, nor accessible by Gparted.
The only way to read it is memtest, which sees the partition and the 
files but, in the second part, detects inconsitency in sectors sizes.
It takes about two hours before the scan is finished, so I can copy the 
backup fat onto the main one, and all is fine again.
I hope it will end soon, so I can check all ran fine, but this is how I 
did the first time.
The question is : is there a chance dt has stored some crash report 
somewhere, so I can attach it when I create the bug report ?


Thx,

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Re: [darktable-user] dt 4.0 corrupts disk

[Jean-Luc]

Le 16/08/2022 à 23:17, I. Ivanov a écrit :


On 8/16/22 13:59, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Jean-Luc  [08-16-22 16:42]:
I would definitely try another external drive and maybe try to store 
on a

local drive and move the files after finishing.



Agree with Patrick.

It is more likely the DD responds with corrupting the data because of 
the operation (writing xml I expect) than Darktable actually doing 
something wrong.


If it is a spin disk – you may want to check it for bad sectors. But 
what Patrick suggest should take the disk out of the equation completely.


Regards,

B


Hello,

First, it is Testdisk, not memtest - I do not know why I always mention 
the second instead of the first... 
And I do not know as well why I wrote the scan lasts two hours, since it 
takes more than twelve. 
And, yes, does not really reflect the reality : as I have still not 
upgraded to 22.04, the problem might be caused by anything else than dt 
itself, so a log would have been a good starting point.
My interrogation was whether dt coul have saved a crash dump though 
launched as usual - ie with no commuter, aso. The answear is obviously 
no, unfortunately.
The last time it happened I ran a full test after restoration (another 
12+ hours) and no bad sector was detected.
In any case, I have a backup of the files, I just need to get the 
sidecars then I can copy to another disk and restart clean.


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Re: [darktable-user] dt 4.0 corrupts disk

[Jean-Luc]

Le 17/08/2022 à 13:45, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :

* Jean-Luc  [08-17-22 06:12]:

Le 16/08/2022 à 23:17, I. Ivanov a écrit :

On 8/16/22 13:59, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Jean-Luc  [08-16-22 16:42]:
I would definitely try another external drive and maybe try to store
on a
local drive and move the files after finishing.



Agree with Patrick.

It is more likely the DD responds with corrupting the data because of
the operation (writing xml I expect) than Darktable actually doing
something wrong.

If it is a spin disk – you may want to check it for bad sectors. But
what Patrick suggest should take the disk out of the equation
completely.

Regards,

B

Hello,

First, it is Testdisk, not memtest - I do not know why I always mention the
second instead of the first... 
And I do not know as well why I wrote the scan lasts two hours, since it
takes more than twelve. 
And, yes, does not really reflect the reality : as I have still not upgraded
to 22.04, the problem might be caused by anything else than dt itself, so a
log would have been a good starting point.
My interrogation was whether dt coul have saved a crash dump though launched
as usual - ie with no commuter, aso. The answear is obviously no,
unfortunately.
The last time it happened I ran a full test after restoration (another 12+
hours) and no bad sector was detected.
In any case, I have a backup of the files, I just need to get the sidecars
then I can copy to another disk and restart clean.

you are still not eliminating possibilities with your current approach.
Yes, I do, since I intend to copy the files to another disk. I just need 
to retrieve my sidecars first.

try first to export to a local disk.
That might not be really relevant, the problem does not occur 
systematically. Only two times since dt upgrade and heavy work 
(reworking my whole images collection, 24k+ photos).

also try to another removable drive.

See above, 1st reply.

I doubt "22.04" is the problem.


It is not, since I still have not upgraded. So, rather *my* 20.04 install with 
dt4 - if even.
I have installed lots of stuff, and restarting from a fresh 22.04 clean install 
might be the solution.
However, restoration is still in progress, so I have to wait a little bit more.

Rgrds,

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[darktable-user] dt from repo / build

[Jean-Luc]

Hello,

And sorry for that maybe stupid questions, but...
I currently run dt from repos, and all works fine though some stuff is 
not installed (especially tools like noise, profiling, etc.).
On a second machine (not the one I use for processing my photos !), I 
compiled it using the instructions on those pages 
.
However, it seems that some files are not at the same places that those 
intalled from repos. Maybe it is something normal.

My questions:

1. is it possible (and safe ?) to force the installation in the exact
   same location that the offical packages ? How ?
2. I found there is no stable branch, just master and numbered.
   If I type
   git clone --branch latest --recurse-submodules --depth 1
   https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable.git
   it will fail, however
   git clone --branch master --recurse-submodules --depth 1
   https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable.git
   will work. No possibility to get something else than master ?
3. In the same kind of things, a little further one can find
   git checkout tags/release-4.0.0
   which seems to only work with numbering, even master is not
   recognized ('tags/release-master' does not correspond to any file
   known by git [translated from french]).
   What does this deserve ?

Sorry for all those questions, but I am trying to understand how things 
work for this project, as it seems the commuters differ slightly from 
others.


Thanks,

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Re: [darktable-user] dt from repo / build

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Le 17/08/2022 à 18:36, William Ferguson a écrit :



On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:15 AM Jean-Luc 
 wrote:


Hello,

And sorry for that maybe stupid questions, but...
I currently run dt from repos, and all works fine though some
stuff is not installed (especially tools like noise, profiling, etc.).
On a second machine (not the one I use for processing my photos
!), I compiled it using the instructions on those pages

<https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/wiki/Building-darktable#ubuntu-20041-and-2010>.
However, it seems that some files are not at the same places that
those intalled from repos. Maybe it is something normal.
My questions:

 1. is it possible (and safe ?) to force the installation in the
exact same location that the offical packages ? How ?

You can do it.  I would remove the official packages first.  When you 
build specify /usr as the installation prefix


1.


 2. I found there is no stable branch, just master and numbered.

master is the current branch that all changes are merged to.  There is 
no stable branch since darktable is not a rolling release.

releases are tagged so that they can be checked out and built.

 1. If I type
git clone --branch latest --recurse-submodules --depth 1
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable.git
it will fail, however
git clone --branch master --recurse-submodules --depth 1
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable.git
will work. No possibility to get something else than master ?

git checkout release-4.0.0
git submodule update

This checks out the versions of the submodules used to build release-4.0

 1. In the same kind of things, a little further one can find
git checkout tags/release-4.0.0
which seems to only work with numbering, even master is not
recognized ('tags/release-master' does not correspond to any
file known by git [translated from french]).
What does this deserve ?

git checkout master takes you back to master.  Just do a git submodule 
update after you change back.


Sorry for all those questions, but I am trying to understand how
things work for this project, as it seems the commuters differ
slightly from others.

Thanks,

J.-Luc



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Thanks, Bill. 
I think (I hope...) I understand.

Rgrds,

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Re: [darktable-user] dt 4.0 corrupts disk

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Le 17/08/2022 à 15:33, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On mercredi 17 août 2022 15:12:35 CEST Jean-Luc wrote:

Le 17/08/2022 à 13:45, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :

* Jean-Luc  [08-17-22 06:12]:

Le 16/08/2022 à 23:17, I. Ivanov a écrit :

On 8/16/22 13:59, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Jean-Luc  [08-16-22 16:42]:
I would definitely try another external drive and maybe try to store
on a
local drive and move the files after finishing.

Agree with Patrick.

It is more likely the DD responds with corrupting the data because of
the operation (writing xml I expect) than Darktable actually doing
something wrong.

If it is a spin disk – you may want to check it for bad sectors. But
what Patrick suggest should take the disk out of the equation
completely.

Regards,

B

Hello,

First, it is Testdisk, not memtest - I do not know why I always mention
the
second instead of the first... 
And I do not know as well why I wrote the scan lasts two hours, since it
takes more than twelve. 
And, yes, does not really reflect the reality : as I have still not
upgraded to 22.04, the problem might be caused by anything else than dt
itself, so a log would have been a good starting point.
My interrogation was whether dt coul have saved a crash dump though
launched as usual - ie with no commuter, aso. The answear is obviously
no,
unfortunately.
The last time it happened I ran a full test after restoration (another
12+
hours) and no bad sector was detected.
In any case, I have a backup of the files, I just need to get the
sidecars
then I can copy to another disk and restart clean.

you are still not eliminating possibilities with your current approach.

Yes, I do, since I intend to copy the files to another disk. I just need
to retrieve my sidecars first.


try first to export to a local disk.

That might not be really relevant, the problem does not occur
systematically. Only two times since dt upgrade and heavy work
(reworking my whole images collection, 24k+ photos).


also try to another removable drive.

See above, 1st reply.


I doubt "22.04" is the problem.

It is not, since I still have not upgraded. So, rather *my* 20.04 install
with dt4 - if even. I have installed lots of stuff, and restarting from a
fresh 22.04 clean install might be the solution. However, restoration is
still in progress, so I have to wait a little bit more.

Rgrds,

J.-Luc

While you  are troubleshooting, perhaps also do a memtest on the RAM. A faulty
RAM chip once gave me a lot of "bad sectors" on a HDD (and as they were marked
as such, replacing the RAM stopped it getting worse, but didn't recover the
"bad" sectors...)

In any case, I'd rule out hardware problems before upgrading to a new OS
version...

Remco


Good idea, I will do this.
The scan has finished, the partition was reported as Deleted. It was 
enough to revert it to Primary, I am able to access the whole disk 
correctly.
I am currently copying the sidecars, then I will copy the raws from the 
backup disk to a new one and copy the sidecars, and finally run a test 
on the "faulty" disk.

It may take some time, I will come back and report when done.

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Re: [darktable-user] Highlights recovery / Filmic v6

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Le 16/08/2022 à 16:23, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On mardi 16 août 2022 15:11:06 CEST Jean-Luc wrote:

Hello,

Running dt 4.0 from ppa on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (still not 22.04 yet).
I am trying to understand whether it makes sense or not to use
Highlights reconstruction together with filmic v6, since it seems it
brings its own highlight reconstruction tools.
The french online help seems no longer available, and maybe I did not
understand correctly.
Could someone please confirm ?

I think the two tools work differently.

The highlight reconstruction module (at least for "clip" and "reconstruct in
Lch" modes) works on individual pixels, where filmic uses the surrounding area
as well to get some detail back in clipped areas.

The "laplacian" reconstruction in the "highlight reconstruction" uses the
surrounding area as well, but is horrendously slow on larger areas.

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So, I assume I need only one to be activated at one time (that was in 
fact the actual meaning of my question).
It seems to me that overburned areas are altered when using HL 
reconstruction,  displaying blue-gray-ish tint instead of white.
But I was not sure whether it is normal, or because of some inapropriate 
module and/or setting.
I find white rendering better than blue-gray-ish, so deactivating HL 
reconstruction while letting filmic do the job seems a better choice.


Le 16/08/2022 à 15:40, darkta...@911networks.com a écrit :

Search on youtube, there's a video about highlight recoveries in DT &
filmic "darktable pink highlights and how to fix them filmic" from
studio petrikas

Excellent explanations



I am eating videos heavily those times, mainly french ones because this 
is my native language and the only one that I really understand.
I often have to listen many times to english ones before I can 
understand, and subtitles - when existing - ... well... better not being 
there. 


Thanks to both.

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Re: [darktable-user] A weird occurrence

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Le 09/01/2023 à 19:24, Willy Williams a écrit :


Thanks, Michael.  I'm not yet sufficiently versed in Linux Mint to 
install otherwise, but Ill get there.


Willy Williams



On 1/9/2023 at 13:15, Michael Rasmussen wrote:

On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 12:47:12 -0500
Willy Williams  wrote:


Thanks, Jean-Luc.  I have installed darktable using a flatpak, so
everything is in a different place.  I'll keep digging into this.


Never use flatpak since flatpak breaks the integration to Gimp and
could break the integration to OpenCL.




 
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I was kindly helped in my attempt to build on Ubuntu - I even found that 
I asked twice within a couple of months, which I apologize for.


Maybe you could find such help so as to build on your system.

I have banned both snaps and flatpacks from my system. They both lead to 
weird behaviours.


I hope next time I will successfully build without needing any help.

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Re: [darktable-user] A weird occurrence

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Le 09/01/2023 à 15:23, Willy Williams a écrit :


I was finally able to successfully get darktable 4.2.0 to install on 
my one Linux Mint machine yesterday after having had to delete 
virtually everything darktable-related from prior versions due to 
bogus lock file issues.  The reinstalled product works splendidly, but 
I've run into a true confuser.  The small darktable shutter logo does 
not appear in the start menu, although the text does appear, and when 
I pin darktable to the system tray, a blank space appears where the 
shutter should appear.  When I click on either, darktable starts and 
runs without a hitch.  It's just that the shutter logo is absent. Any 
clues as to how to remedy this condition?


Willy Williams

--

  "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you 
a thousand stories ...
  stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is 
way above any description."


  - Sameh Elsayed

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Hello Willy,

This happened to me when I compiled using

   cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/darktable/ ..

I solved it by putting dt in /usr instead

   cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/ ..

Hope this helps.

Rgrds,

And best wishes to everyone.

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Re: [darktable-user] Building dt

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Le 12/11/2022 à 17:52, Jean-Luc a écrit :

Le 07/11/2022 à 23:22, Bernhard a écrit :



Jean-Luc schrieb am 06.11.22 um 00:22:

Le 04/11/2022 à 21:58, Bernhard a écrit :



Bernhard schrieb am 04.11.22 um 21:54:



Jean-Luc schrieb am 04.11.22 um 17:49:


Hello,

Not exactly that.
In fact, the maintainer of the repo which I installed from seems 
not active anymore - or at least only once a year.

So I did not get the summer update so far.
I would like to build dt myself, but not see it fall into my home 
directory, as it always happens when I do it.
So, my question : how can I manage to install it as if it were 
done frome repo ?
I searched and could find with /wereis/ that it currently uses 
the following directories :


    darktable: /usr/bin/darktable 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/darktable /usr/libexec/darktable 
/usr/share/darktable /usr/share/man/man1/darktable.1.gz





You know these instructions?
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable#building

It tells you to do this

mkdir build/
cd  build/
cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/darktable/ ..
make
sudo make install

with the prefix being the directory to install to ...
This works for me although I don't know much about all these things.



btw. I use `checkinstall` instead of `make install` to build a 
package (.deb in my case) and then use the package manager (dpkg in 
Debian) to install/uninstall the package.


Hello Bernhard,

So I might have done something weird when I tried this.
However, I notice that then the maintainer of the repository from 
which I installed did follow the instructions, since dt appears in 
/usr/bin/darktable instead of /opt/darktable/.

At this point, what would you advise me to do ? Backup my config and

 * unsinstall dt, erase everything related to it in the directories
   above and build as described in github, or
 * use cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/bin/darktable ..


What distro do you use? You write
the maintainer of the repo which I installed from seems not active 
anymore

There should be a package for most common distros here:
https://software.opensuse.org/package/darktable

I use /opt since I do like to try darktable master every now and then 
and want to make sure this does not interfere with production 
darktable stable version (which is installed to /usr/bin by package 
manager from repo above).


If you compile and this is the only version you want to use ... I'd 
think nothing speaks against the procedure you suggested.



Hello,

Thank-you.

So, I had prepared to run the commands with /usr/bin/darktable instead 
of /opt/darktable/ when the package manager displayed available updates.

There was dt among the updates, so I let do.
I will now be able use the geotagging module safely on my photos.

Rgrds,

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Hello,

New dt release made me decide to do it.

 * I first removed the PPA so it would not interfere with the build :

   sudo ppa-purge ppa:savoury1/graphics

 * Then uninstalled dt :

   sudo apt autoremove darktable -y

 * Checked the prerequisites :

   sed -e '/^#\sdeb-src /s/^# *//;t;d' "/etc/apt/sources.list" \
  | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/darktable-sources-tmp.list >
   /dev/null \
  && (
    sudo apt-get update
    sudo apt-get build-dep darktable
  )
   sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/darktable-sources-tmp.list
   sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake intltool xsltproc libgtk-3-dev
   libxml2-utils libxml2-dev liblensfun-dev librsvg2-dev libsqlite3-dev
   libcurl4-gnutls-dev libjpeg-dev libtiff5-dev liblcms2-dev
   libjson-glib-dev libexiv2-dev libpugixml-dev checkinstall

 * Cloned the repo :

   git clone --recurse-submodules --depth 1
   https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable.git
   cd darktable
   git fetch --tags
   git checkout tags/release-4.2.0
   git submodule update --init

 * And, finally, launched the final process :

   mkdir build/
   cd build/
   cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/ ..
   make
   sudo checkinstall

And... I have now got rid of the main problems I did report so far, and 
even one I did not : the size of the menus now matches the settings I do 
in preferences.


Christmas before the day, thanks to the whole team. 

Rgrds,

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[darktable-user] Building dt

[Jean-Luc]

Hello,

Not exactly that.
In fact, the maintainer of the repo which I installed from seems not 
active anymore - or at least only once a year.

So I did not get the summer update so far.
I would like to build dt myself, but not see it fall into my home 
directory, as it always happens when I do it.
So, my question : how can I manage to install it as if it were done 
frome repo ?
I searched and could find with /wereis/ that it currently uses the 
following directories :


   darktable: /usr/bin/darktable /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/darktable
   /usr/libexec/darktable /usr/share/darktable
   /usr/share/man/man1/darktable.1.gz

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [darktable-user] Building dt

[Jean-Luc]

Le 04/11/2022 à 21:58, Bernhard a écrit :



Bernhard schrieb am 04.11.22 um 21:54:



Jean-Luc schrieb am 04.11.22 um 17:49:


Hello,

Not exactly that.
In fact, the maintainer of the repo which I installed from seems not 
active anymore - or at least only once a year.

So I did not get the summer update so far.
I would like to build dt myself, but not see it fall into my home 
directory, as it always happens when I do it.
So, my question : how can I manage to install it as if it were done 
frome repo ?
I searched and could find with /wereis/ that it currently uses the 
following directories :


    darktable: /usr/bin/darktable 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/darktable /usr/libexec/darktable 
/usr/share/darktable /usr/share/man/man1/darktable.1.gz





You know these instructions?
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable#building

It tells you to do this

mkdir build/
cd  build/
cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/darktable/ ..
make
sudo make install

with the prefix being the directory to install to ...
This works for me although I don't know much about all these things.



btw. I use `checkinstall` instead of `make install` to build a package 
(.deb in my case) and then use the package manager (dpkg in Debian) to 
install/uninstall the package.


Hello Bernhard,

So I might have done something weird when I tried this.
However, I notice that then the maintainer of the repository from which 
I installed did follow the instructions, since dt appears in 
/usr/bin/darktable instead of /opt/darktable/.

At this point, what would you advise me to do ? Backup my config and

 * unsinstall dt, erase everything related to it in the directories
   above and build as described in github, or
 * use cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/bin/darktable ..

Rgrds,

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Re: [darktable-user] Building dt

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Le 07/11/2022 à 23:22, Bernhard a écrit :



Jean-Luc schrieb am 06.11.22 um 00:22:

Le 04/11/2022 à 21:58, Bernhard a écrit :



Bernhard schrieb am 04.11.22 um 21:54:



Jean-Luc schrieb am 04.11.22 um 17:49:


Hello,

Not exactly that.
In fact, the maintainer of the repo which I installed from seems 
not active anymore - or at least only once a year.

So I did not get the summer update so far.
I would like to build dt myself, but not see it fall into my home 
directory, as it always happens when I do it.
So, my question : how can I manage to install it as if it were 
done frome repo ?
I searched and could find with /wereis/ that it currently uses the 
following directories :


    darktable: /usr/bin/darktable 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/darktable /usr/libexec/darktable 
/usr/share/darktable /usr/share/man/man1/darktable.1.gz





You know these instructions?
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable#building

It tells you to do this

mkdir build/
cd  build/
cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/darktable/ ..
make
sudo make install

with the prefix being the directory to install to ...
This works for me although I don't know much about all these things.



btw. I use `checkinstall` instead of `make install` to build a 
package (.deb in my case) and then use the package manager (dpkg in 
Debian) to install/uninstall the package.


Hello Bernhard,

So I might have done something weird when I tried this.
However, I notice that then the maintainer of the repository from 
which I installed did follow the instructions, since dt appears in 
/usr/bin/darktable instead of /opt/darktable/.

At this point, what would you advise me to do ? Backup my config and

 * unsinstall dt, erase everything related to it in the directories
   above and build as described in github, or
 * use cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/bin/darktable ..


What distro do you use? You write
the maintainer of the repo which I installed from seems not active 
anymore

There should be a package for most common distros here:
https://software.opensuse.org/package/darktable

I use /opt since I do like to try darktable master every now and then 
and want to make sure this does not interfere with production 
darktable stable version (which is installed to /usr/bin by package 
manager from repo above).


If you compile and this is the only version you want to use ... I'd 
think nothing speaks against the procedure you suggested.



Hello,

Thank-you.

So, I had prepared to run the commands with /usr/bin/darktable instead 
of /opt/darktable/ when the package manager displayed available updates.

There was dt among the updates, so I let do.
I will now be able use the geotagging module safely on my photos.

Rgrds,

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable 4.2.1 released

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Le 25/02/2023 à 22:34, tony Hamilton a écrit :

Thanks for the suggestions.

With respect, your observation is clearly easy for you to say, but 
(and I have a LOT of experience on this) not so easy for me to do. The 
explanation (aside from the opinion oft expressed by others that I'm 
chronically, endemically and terminally stupid) is indeed simple: 
those who write the instructions on how to compile have to write for a 
general audience and so make assumptions - sadly often wrong - about 
my computing environment and my ability to comprehend those 
instructions. The latter factor reflects the fact that they are 
written by obviously technically competent authors who are also 
subject matter experts (but not necessarily writers), writing for 
people like themselves - who, by very definition, do not need such 
instructions. Those instructions are, in consequence, usually 
inaccessible and inapplicable to people like myself.


A significant part of the compile process is the handling of 
compilation errors; here the documentation is frequently inadequate, 
depending on a level of detailed knowledge and understanding which is 
beyond the average Linux application user. They are typified by 
impossible to parse scenarios which have an explanation of the nature 
of: "Oh, didn't we tell you about dependencies abc, hij, opq (which is 
incompatible with def, as long as you have, or, possibly, have not, 
included rst) and xyz (but not in version 2.99)? Sorry about that."


Oh, maybe I'm just too old and lacking a sense of humour

On 25/02/2023 15:19, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

really building is simple and instructions are provided on github.


 


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Hello Tony,

Assuming you are running Ubuntu, here is a working process I used, based 
upon the instructions on GitHub together with help kindly provided by 
people on this list :


# Prérequis : Dépendances
#

   sudo apt -y install gcc g++ cmake intltool xsltproc libgtk-3-dev
   libxml2-utils libxml2-dev liblensfun-dev librsvg2-dev libsqlite3-dev
   libcurl4-gnutls-dev libjpeg-dev libtiff5-dev liblcms2-dev
   libjson-glib-dev libexiv2-dev libpugixml-dev exiv2 libexiv2-27
   libgmic1 libheif1 libraw20 checkinstall

# Clônage du dépôt GIT
##

   git clone --recurse-submodules --depth 1
   https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable.gitcd darktable
   git fetch --tags
   git checkout tags/release-4.2.1 # the version you intend to build

# Récupération des sous-modules
###

   git submodule update --init

# Build manuel
#

   mkdir build/
   cd build/
   cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/ ..
   make
   sudo make install # or sudo checkinstall

This will install dt in /usr instead of /opt, so you first might have to 
uninstall dt before :


   sudo apt -y autoremove darktable

Should this help.

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable 4.2.1 released

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Le 28/02/2023 à 07:34, I. Ivanov a écrit :


I checked obs today and what I am noticing is that no packages are 
updated—for any Linux that is on obs.


Flatpak is not available either.

I guess for now the only option is compiling from source.


On 2/26/23 01:40, tony Hamilton wrote:
I very much hope this service is maintained. Without it I will be 
reduced to either working only* on my existing level of dt, or - very 
much to be avoided if at all possible - using Windows, with all the  
security, bloatware, tracking, spying and advertising issues that 
operating system is designed to support and encourage.


* The dt package for Mint is typically some months after the first 
availability of a new version.


On 25/02/2023 22:05, I. Ivanov wrote:


Not sure if the OBS repository is maintained any more...


[.../...]

Last time I checked, there was no package for Ubuntu. So I made up my 
mind and compiled from sources.

That was about six months ago.
I must add that compiling dt is not that difficult, most of the work is 
automated. There are issues when one tries to do things not fully 
following the instructions.


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Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?

[Jean-Luc]

Le 24/04/2023 à 11:15, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On lundi 24 avril 2023 03:06:45 CEST Terry Pinfold wrote:

"that you follow m$ *only* shows your age, not your
wisdom."

Maybe this passive aggressiveness on your part also chased me away.

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 11:01, Patrick Shanahan  wrote:

(snip)

Maybe, but Patrick is right in that bottom posting is an accepted standard,
and not just in email (usenet had the same rules).
But snipping of irrelevant material is also part of the netiquette...

+1

And the aim of those "rules" is to make understanding of the message easier
(not necessarily the reading, there's a difference).

+1

And, related to Michael's parallel answer, MS has a habit of implementing
standards in its own way, (often) in a way that's not compatible with other
implementations.


+1

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?

[Jean-Luc]

Le 24/04/2023 à 11:00, Michael Staats a écrit :

On 24/04/2023 03:06, Terry Pinfold wrote:

"that you follow m$ *only* shows your age, not your
wisdom."

Maybe this passive aggressiveness on your part also chased me away.



[.../...]
But beside perception, there's something called "facts". And, sorry to
say, Patrick is right, you are not.

TOFU quoting was invented by Microsoft, way too late, when other
standards were already implemented and followed. The fact that most
Outlook users don't know better (again, I know what I'm talking about),
does not change that.
Actually, with a little bit of experience in IT, all alarms should fire
if you follow some rule just because MS has established it.

+1


By the way: For sure, Microsoft will have a standard product to replace
darktable. Better go for that.




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Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?

[Jean-Luc]

Le 26/04/2023 à 00:49, Glenn Malling a écrit :
I am an almost completely silent on this list.  However, before I 
retired in 2006 I ran the email systems, including a LISTSERV email 
list manager for Syracuse University.  At that time there was no RFC 
specifying the proper reply message body protocol.  So, unless such an 
RFC has been published since then,other than the MIME RFCs, all this 
griping is pretty much out of bounds. Personal preferences are not 
binding on others.


Glenn Malling

Retired email postmaster.
I entered the arena in the late 80s/early 90s.I did not know anything 
about rules and netiquette, so I posted the way I thought was right.
Anyone here who argues that Patrick's interventions might be 
inappropriate, rude or offensive either did not suffer the same beatings 
I did at the time - or else has forgotten about them.
Not to mention I did learn very quickly. Having braced myself on my 
positions would have meant depriving myself of valuable information so, 
yes, I complied with the rules that I took the time to read.
The established rules have the sole purpose of making it possible for 
everyone to go in the same direction. If everyone goes his own way, 
well, noone can progress.
If certain products of a brand mentioned somewhere above in this 
discussion were well thought out and free from defects before being 
published, it would have been known for a long time, and this discussion 
would not take place.
And since it is easier to get used to it than to hope for a fix, this is 
why there are so many bad habits that persist and end up becoming standards.
A bit as if, for example, you had to adapt to driving vehicles whose 
brakes do not work the way they ought to. And decide that, since it is 
the way the manufacturer designed it, it must become a de facto standard 
- despites the fact this is a bug.

A bit exaggerated as a comparison, but nevertheless...
BTW : pixl makes everyone use bottom posting without ever thinking nor 
complaining about it.
Now is the time for me to dive back into the dt documentation - yes, I 
know: the stuff you're never supposed to read. 
As for the rules above-mentioned, a simple search (google netiquette) 
would make it clear (although the english version seem to differ from 
the french one - WTH ?). And, once again, make this almost useless 
discussion end.


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Re: [darktable-user] error building master since 4.3.0+1632~g7a3c976cff

[Jean-Luc]

Le 09/04/2023 à 18:46, Pascal Obry a écrit :

Le dimanche 09 avril 2023 à 12:41 -0400, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :


and I cleaned and recloned to no avail.

Expected, see:

https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/14057

Nothing we can do at this point.


Hello,

I was about to reply that I could build 4.2.1 yesterday, then I checked 
the version of gcc on my system : it is 11.

So, obviously, downgrading (is it only possible ?) to gcc 11 might help.

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Re: [darktable-user] missing database

[Jean-Luc]

Le 12/02/2023 à 16:38, Willy Williams a écrit :


On my Windows 10 system, it's in 
C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\darktable.  You will likely need to 
give yourself admin privileges to access this location.


Willy Williams

*

On 2/12/2023 at 09:43, Jan Minekus wrote:

Hello,

I just realized that my systeem info is missing. I'm sorry!

My system HP labtop Windows 10 home, 64 bits.
It may be connected to my deinstallation of darktable that did't 
function.
darktable 4.02 gave problems, so I installed 4.01 version after 
making a backup of tthe database folder.

darktable 4.01 had no problems.

Regards,

Jan Minekus

Op 12-2-2023 om 15:32 schreef Patrick Shanahan:

* Jan Minekus  [02-12-23 09:02]:

Hello,

I try to install darktable again in my freshly installed computer.
Problem is the standard database is missing. Local directory does 
not have a

darktable directory which I can overwrite with a backup.
I tried to start darktable without the database but that window is 
rubbish.

What is wrong?
What can I do??

what operating system?  on linux you can copy your backup library.db to
~/.config/darktable/

I am guessing windows and I can offer you no help there.



 


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Hello Jan,

Close dt, go to C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\darktable\ and replace 
data.db and library.db whith those from your backup.

On next atart, dt should be happy - as you should.

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable 4.4.1 released

[Jean-Luc]

Le 02/07/2023 à 18:54, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On dimanche 2 juillet 2023 17:29:28 CEST Jean-Luc wrote:

Le 01/07/2023 à 08:19, Pascal Obry a écrit :

We're proud to announce the new corrective release of darktable, 4.4.1!

The github release is here:
[https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-4.4.1](h
ttps://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-4.4.1).

As always, please don't use the autogenerated tarball provided by
github, but only our tar.xz file. The checksums are:

.../...

Hello,

A few days after 4.4 release announce, I tried to compile from sources,
following the steps I used for 4.2 - and that was still up-to-date at
this time.
I ended up with abort due to many missing dependancies and gcc-12+
mandatory.
After some time spent to satisfy most of the dependancies, I still could
not override the gcc problem.
I finally thought I had solved it, after some more browsing, but the
only result was a fatal system crash and I had to reinstall from scratch.
I am now in the previous state of dt 4.2.1 running, but not willing to
try again the compiling adventure without being sure I will not run into
the same issue again.
Have the compiling instructions been updated, so I will be able to reach
the end of the process ?
I am currently running Ubuntu 22.04-2, and the steps for getting dt from
sources are those :


(..)
Once you have the source code and all dependencies, what worked for me was:

export CC=gcc-12; export CXX=g++-12; ./build.sh --prefix /opt/darktable --
build-type Release --install --sudo

That forces use of the GCC version 12 C and C++ compilers before starting the
build process. But make sure you have removed a "build" directory that may
have been created in your source tree by earlier attempts: cmake caches some
results there and will reuse them whenever it finds them. But if you changed
anything, those cached results will be wrong...

Remco


Thanks Remco,

I did not know about this syntax. I did have installed gcc-12, but I did 
not know the way to force it to be used instead of the previous one.
So I tried to remove the previous installed stuff, and I did so many 
things I read here and there that I ended up in system upside-down.

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable 4.4.1 released

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Le 03/07/2023 à 10:07, tony Hamilton a écrit :



On 02/07/2023 16:29, Jean-Luc wrote:

Le 01/07/2023 à 08:19, Pascal Obry a écrit :
.../...

J.-Luc

Jean-Luc,
You helped me to compile 4.2.1 some months ago; I hope this helps you 
now: My attempts to compile 4.4.0 immediately after it was announced 
failed with a compiler version error (see discussion in Pixls.us under 
"Don't understand failure to compile dt 4.4.0 from source"). That was 
fixed by installing g++-12 using Synaptic and running two additional 
commands before the build: "export CC=gcc-12" and "export 
CXX=g++-12".  I then used the same process as described in the readme 
( see https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable#readme) without 
problem, under Mint 21.1, using the 'easy method' to compile.


Yes, I did not know about that syntax.

Thanks to you as well.

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[darktable-user] Collections sorting default setting

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Hello,

I am facing an issue that I thought I had solved long ago, but I could 
not find any trace of anything related to it.
When I browse collections using tags, the sort order is set to filename 
by default. I would like it to be set to full path, just like on the 
attached screenshot.
I could not find anything in the manual, the built-in help has no entry, 
and the filter preferences does not display it either.
This would not patter if I browed the collections one by one, but I am 
currently browsing them by tag, so a same tag can belong to many 
collections and thousends of pictures that are not sorted upon my needs.

Did I miss something ?

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Re: [darktable-user] Collections sorting default setting

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Le 25/07/2023 à 17:42, Jean-Luc a écrit :

Hello,

I am facing an issue that I thought I had solved long ago, but I could 
not find any trace of anything related to it.
When I browse collections using tags, the sort order is set to 
filename by default. I would like it to be set to full path, just like 
on the attached screenshot.
I could not find anything in the manual, the built-in help has no 
entry, and the filter preferences does not display it either.
This would not patter if I browed the collections one by one, but I am 
currently browsing them by tag, so a same tag can belong to many 
collections and thousends of pictures that are not sorted upon my needs.
Did I miss something ? 

I found something weird in my install of dt.
Reset everything, deinstalled dt and currently reinstalling from sources.
Hoping this will fix my problem.

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Re: [darktable-user] Collections sorting default setting

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Le 25/07/2023 à 18:29, Jean-Luc a écrit :

Le 25/07/2023 à 17:42, Jean-Luc a écrit :

Hello,

I am facing an issue that I thought I had solved long ago, but I 
could not find any trace of anything related to it.
When I browse collections using tags, the sort order is set to 
filename by default. I would like it to be set to full path, just 
like on the attached screenshot.
I could not find anything in the manual, the built-in help has no 
entry, and the filter preferences does not display it either.
This would not patter if I browed the collections one by one, but I 
am currently browsing them by tag, so a same tag can belong to many 
collections and thousends of pictures that are not sorted upon my needs.
Did I miss something ? 

I found something weird in my install of dt.
Reset everything, deinstalled dt and currently reinstalling from sources.
Hoping this will fix my problem. 


That did it !

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Re: [darktable-user] A different build error with 4.4.2 under Mint 21.2

[Jean-Luc]

Le 25/07/2023 à 13:57, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On mardi 25 juillet 2023 10:57:27 CEST tony Hamilton wrote:
(...)Given my level of skill and understanding

, coupled with the non-specific nature of the error messages generated
by CMake, it is impossible for somebody like me to determine precisely
what package dependencies are missing from my instance of Linux. Result:
compile is bound to fail, until somebody like me gets help from somebody
like you.

But behind all this frustration there is somebody (somebodies) who know
EXACTLY what the dependencies are. It would transform the compile
success rate for somebody like me if those dependencies were completely
documented somewhere, or, better still, if there was a command which I
could copy/paste that would act to meet all those dependencies.

But the dependencies *are* listed, just before the (perhaps outdated) commands
to install them. The list gives you the library name and minimum required
version (if any). It cannot give the package names to install, as they vary
between distributions (and perhaps even versions). Then again, I think most
distributions have a graphical package manager, with search function (Yast for
OpenSUSe, Synaptic(?) for Mint)... And make sure you install the required
development packages as well..

There is a learning curve for compiling programs, but once you master it, you
are a lot less dependant on packagers.

When you run into issues, remember to look at the first error message listed,
it's usually the most important (note: *error* message, information and
warning messages are often less helpful).
I faced this exact same problem when trying to compile 4.4.1, along with 
the one related to compiler being obsolete.
I did not know about the apt-cache search command, so I did search 
through the net and could find most of the missing libraries.
The other one was the export tip, that I now know about, thanks to your 
contribution.
However, people like Tony, many others and I are casual compilers - I 
personally only do this mainly for dt. So there is really very few 
chances for us to master the compiling process.
I did read the howto pages before trying to compile 4.4.1, but I finally 
had to ask for help.
I know that listing everything that is needed for a peculiar task is 
tedious - I do this more than once at work, I have to do it on my spare 
time, and I am neither paid for that, nor rewarded in any way.
But then, I am sure that the colleagues that read the docs can go 
through the whole process - if they even will read it, but this is 
another thing.
There will always be people that will not read the howtos, but then the 
ones which will have will be able to help them and let the devs do what 
they really are involved in : offer us this wonderful piece of software.

Yes, I know : I am a dreamer...

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[darktable-user] Crop not visible anymore

[Jean-Luc]

Hello,

I apologize for this, but myself cannot even understand what really 
happened, nor how to reproduce it.
I was editing pictures yesterday, using among other things filtering 
functions.
One of the pictures was cropped, and I could see the cropped part inside 
the full picture.
Then, I had to type something in a field for searching or filtering 
purpose, but the cursor might not be placed where it ought to.
As I had typed the characters, I looked back at my picture and noticed 
that the display had commuted to full screen - no problem with that - 
but the cropped area was not displayed anymore.
The full picture was displayed instead. I had to quit dt and, after 
launching it again the crop was correctly displayed again.
I was then using a shaky install of dt (cf. my previous posting), but 
even in the clean install I could not find any shortcut that would 
explain this.
I know it is like asking you to crystal gaze, but just in case someone 
could know...


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Re: [darktable-user] Build error with 4.4.2

[Jean-Luc]

Le 24/07/2023 à 15:50, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :

* Remco Viëtor  [07-24-23 09:39]:

On lundi 24 juillet 2023 15:02:24 CEST Patrick Shanahan wrote:
(...)
(concerning build instructions)

the directions in dt's github repository are quite good.


However, what I did miss in them was how to tell the build system which
compiler to use. Not all distributions have the latest GCC as "standard"
version, even when it is available in their repositories.
Hence the need for something like: "export CC=gcc-12; export CXX=g++-12;".

(Would this be something to include in the build instructions, or is it too
much "required knowledge" for those who insist on building from source?)

it is not always necessary but when it is, it is.  it would be a good
addition to the github instructions, imnsho


Yes, yes ! Thanks to Toni and Remco, I could finally install dt 4.4.2, 
but if it had been written in the build instructions that would have 
spared time to them.

Er... not sure if I correctly transcribed what I think... I hope...

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable 4.4.1 released

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Le 01/07/2023 à 08:19, Pascal Obry a écrit :

We're proud to announce the new corrective release of darktable, 4.4.1!

The github release is here: 
[https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-4.4.1](https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-4.4.1).

As always, please don't use the autogenerated tarball provided by
github, but only our tar.xz file. The checksums are:


.../...

Hello,

A few days after 4.4 release announce, I tried to compile from sources, 
following the steps I used for 4.2 - and that was still up-to-date at 
this time.
I ended up with abort due to many missing dependancies and gcc-12+ 
mandatory.
After some time spent to satisfy most of the dependancies, I still could 
not override the gcc problem.
I finally thought I had solved it, after some more browsing, but the 
only result was a fatal system crash and I had to reinstall from scratch.
I am now in the previous state of dt 4.2.1 running, but not willing to 
try again the compiling adventure without being sure I will not run into 
the same issue again.
Have the compiling instructions been updated, so I will be able to reach 
the end of the process ?
I am currently running Ubuntu 22.04-2, and the steps for getting dt from 
sources are those :


   
#
   START
   

   # Pré-requis : installation des dépendances
   ###
   sed -e '/^#\sdeb-src /s/^# *//;t;d' "/etc/apt/sources.list" \
  | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/darktable-sources-tmp.list >
   /dev/null \
  && (
    sudo apt update
    sudo apt build-dep darktable
  )
   sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/darktable-sources-tmp.list

   # Prérequis : Dépendances
   #
   sudo apt install gcc g++ cmake intltool xsltproc libgtk-3-dev
   libxml2-utils libxml2-dev liblensfun-dev librsvg2-dev libsqlite3-dev
   libcurl4-gnutls-dev libjpeg-dev libtiff5-dev liblcms2-dev
   libjson-glib-dev libexiv2-dev libpugixml-dev

   # Paquets divers
   
   sudo apt install exiv2 libexiv2-27 libexiv2-dev libgmic1 libheif1
   libraw20 checkinstall

   # Clônage du dépôt GIT
   ##
   git clone --recurse-submodules --depth 1
   https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable.git
   cd darktable
   git fetch --tags
   git checkout tags/release-4.4.0

   # Récupération des sous-modules
   ###
   git submodule update --init

   # Build manuel
   #
   mkdir build/
   cd build/
   cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/ ..
   make
   sudo checkinstall --pkgname=darktable
   --pakdir=/home/jean-luc/.config/debian --nodoc
   --exclude=/home/jean-luc/CloneGitHUB/
   
###
   END
   
###

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[darktable-user] Module that still applies even if removed

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Hello,

Maybe I am doing things really wrong, but I am running into a problem 
that the manual could not help me to solve.

If I add a module to a workflow, it is easy to have it autoapplied.
But, if I then remove it from the workflow, it still gets applied and 
activated upon compress history or new import - whatever I do.

I am getting nuts - what on earth am I doing wrong ?

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Re: [darktable-user] Module that still applies even if removed

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Le 13/05/2023 à 14:03, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On samedi 13 mai 2023 12:23:12 CEST Jean-Luc wrote:

Hello,

Maybe I am doing things really wrong, but I am running into a problem
that the manual could not help me to solve.
If I add a module to a workflow, it is easy to have it autoapplied.
But, if I then remove it from the workflow, it still gets applied and
activated upon compress history or new import - whatever I do.
I am getting nuts - what on earth am I doing wrong ?

Which module?

And what exactly do you mean by "adding a module to a workflow"? Afaik
(version 4.2.1) it's not possible to add a module to one of the predefined
workflows.

What you can do is define auto-applied *presets*. But removal of the preset
should stop them from being autoapplied...

Remco


Hello Remco,

Yes, you are right, wrong terminology from my side. What I was calling 
workflow is actually a preset from the modules menu.

The machine running dt is three roms away from the one I am writing from.
I cloned the scene referred preset and rearranged the modules within, 
tweaking some of them - filmic RGB is one.
Now, I would like to remove the filmic RGB module, but even then it 
still gets applied at new import or history compression.
I tried with another module - sigmoid, that I just added - it behaves 
the same : no way to have it forgotten once it has been added.

Am I that stupid ? What part am I misunderstanding or doing wrong ?

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Re: [darktable-user] Module that still applies even if removed

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Le 13/05/2023 à 18:45, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On samedi 13 mai 2023 18:41:52 CEST Remco Viëtor wrote:

On samedi 13 mai 2023 18:00:17 CEST Jean-Luc wrote:

Le 13/05/2023 à 14:03, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On samedi 13 mai 2023 12:23:12 CEST Jean-Luc wrote:

Hello,

Maybe I am doing things really wrong, but I am running into a problem
.../...
I am getting nuts - what on earth am I doing wrong ?

Going nuts not getting. :-(

.../...

It sounds like you tried to change a built-in preset and store it under the
same name. I don't think you can change the built-in presets.

No, I did duplicate an existing one.

But the solution is simple: select the layout you want to use as a basis,
then go to "manage presets" and "duplicate" the preset. You'll be asked to
give it a new name, and then you can adjust it to your liking.

That is what I did.

Oh, and a quick follow-up: module layout set through those presets doesn't
influence which modules will be auto-applied. That's determined by your
workflow settings in the "settings" dialog and possible presets in individual
modules.

In my case, there is no preset defined in the module.
By the way, I would expect that removing a module from a preset would 
prevent it from being applied and activated.

There is definitely something I have trouble in understanding.
I think Aurélien P. or Luc V. might have done videos where this could be 
explained, I just have to get ahold of the one.


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Re: [darktable-user] Module that still applies even if removed

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Le 14/05/2023 à 08:10, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On dimanche 14 mai 2023 00:36:10 CEST Jean-Luc wrote:
On samedi 13 mai 2023 12:23:12 CEST Jean-Luc wrote: 

(..)

In my case, there is no preset defined in the module.
By the way, I would expect that removing a module from a preset would
prevent it from being applied and activated.
There is definitely something I have trouble in understanding.
I think Aurélien P. or Luc V. might have done videos where this could be
explained, I just have to get ahold of the one.

In version 4.2.1, the *only* place where you can remove an individual module
from a preset is in the module layout. And that layout has no influence on
whether a module is auto-applied, auto-activated or not.

We are dealing with at least three different "presets" here:
- presets in individual modules, can be autoapplied or not.
- workflow presets, selected in the global settings dialog. These will
determine which modules are initially activated, and cannot be changed by the
user
- module layout presets. These *only* determine which modules will be visible
in the module section of the right sidebar. This has *no* influence on the
modules that will be activated for a new edit or after fully clearing the
history.


OK, that is clear. What is not, still, is the way it behaves here.
Filmic did not appear in the moduel section before I added it into the 
group I had created from the main one.
And it was not activated nor applied until I created a preset in the 
module itself telling it to autoapply to all photos matching some 
conditions.
Then, I wanted to get rid of it, so I first removed the preset upon 
which it was autoapplied. But, on my great surprise, it still gets 
applied upon history compression or new import.

...
OK, I went to the machine running dt, ensured there was no preset left 
into Filmic, then created one matching this :


I am sure none of the photos I took matches any of those conditions, so 
compressing the history I ought not see Filmic anymore but, guess what ? 
It is there again displayed in the history.
So, what makes it behave this way ? Why does it still bother me, instead 
of staying still ?

...
Back to dt again, to test whether it might also happen with other 
modules. I recently added Sigmoid to my workflow, and created the preset 
so it could be autoapplied.
Deleting the preset, Sigmoid is not applied anymore upon compression or 
new import. Re-creating the preset, Sigmoid auto-applies again.
At this point, unless someone proves that I am doing something wrong, I 
think it is time I open a bug report.


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Re: [darktable-user] Module that still applies even if removed

[Jean-Luc]

Le 14/05/2023 à 16:04, thouks a écrit :

Which workflow preset did you choose in the global setting?

Am 14. Mai 2023 15:04:33 MESZ schrieb Jean-Luc 
:


Le 14/05/2023 à 08:10, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On dimanche 14 mai 2023 00:36:10 CEST Jean-Luc wrote:
On samedi 13 mai 2023 12:23:12 CEST Jean-Luc wrote: 

(..)
.../... 

OK, that is clear. What is not, still, is the way it behaves here.
Filmic did not appear in the moduel section before I added it into
the group I had created from the main one.
And it was not activated nor applied until I created a preset in
the module itself telling it to autoapply to all photos matching
some conditions.
Then, I wanted to get rid of it, so I first removed the preset
upon which it was autoapplied. But, on my great surprise, it still
gets applied upon history compression or new import.
.../...
Back to dt again, to test whether it might also happen with other
modules. I recently added Sigmoid to my workflow, and created the
preset so it could be autoapplied.
Deleting the preset, Sigmoid is not applied anymore upon
compression or new import. Re-creating the preset, Sigmoid
auto-applies again.
At this point, unless someone proves that I am doing something
wrong, I think it is time I open a bug report.


Hello thouks,

I am not sure whether I understand your question...
If you mean the preset I started from, the one I duplicated, then the 
answear is Relatif à la scène (Scene referred if I translate correctly).
This seemed logical and obvious to me to use a workflow built for the 
kind I would use.


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Re: [darktable-user] Module that still applies even if removed

[Jean-Luc]

Le 14/05/2023 à 19:07, Jack Bowling a écrit :
Change the workflow preference in the settings to "None" and see if 
your problem goes away.


Jack

On 2023-05-14 09:07, Jean-Luc wrote:

Le 14/05/2023 à 16:04, thouks a écrit :

Which workflow preset did you choose in the global setting?

Am 14. Mai 2023 15:04:33 MESZ schrieb Jean-Luc 
:


Le 14/05/2023 à 08:10, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On dimanche 14 mai 2023 00:36:10 CEST Jean-Luc wrote:
On samedi 13 mai 2023 12:23:12 CEST Jean-Luc wrote: 

(..)
.../... 

OK, that is clear. What is not, still, is the way it behaves here.
Filmic did not appear in the moduel section before I added it
into the group I had created from the main one.
And it was not activated nor applied until I created a preset in
the module itself telling it to autoapply to all photos matching
some conditions.
Then, I wanted to get rid of it, so I first removed the preset
upon which it was autoapplied. But, on my great surprise, it
still gets applied upon history compression or new import.
.../...
Back to dt again, to test whether it might also happen with
other modules. I recently added Sigmoid to my workflow, and
created the preset so it could be autoapplied.
Deleting the preset, Sigmoid is not applied anymore upon
compression or new import. Re-creating the preset, Sigmoid
auto-applies again.
At this point, unless someone proves that I am doing something
wrong, I think it is time I open a bug report.


Hello thouks,

I am not sure whether I understand your question...
If you mean the preset I started from, the one I duplicated, then the 
answear is Relatif à la scène (Scene referred if I translate correctly).
This seemed logical and obvious to me to use a workflow built for the 
kind I would use.


Hello Jack,

I was sure I had checked this before. Hopefully, I did it now.
Surprizingly, switching to None or Display (and restart dt) makes things 
work as expected. I tested both.
So I will keep this setting to None until a solution is found. And 
update the report to take this into account.


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Re: [darktable-user] Module that still applies even if removed

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Le 14/05/2023 à 21:14, Jean-Luc a écrit :

Le 14/05/2023 à 19:07, Jack Bowling a écrit :
Change the workflow preference in the settings to "None" and see if 
your problem goes away.


Jack

On 2023-05-14 09:07, Jean-Luc wrote:

Le 14/05/2023 à 16:04, thouks a écrit :

Which workflow preset did you choose in the global setting?

Am 14. Mai 2023 15:04:33 MESZ schrieb Jean-Luc 
:


Le 14/05/2023 à 08:10, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On dimanche 14 mai 2023 00:36:10 CEST Jean-Luc wrote:
On samedi 13 mai 2023 12:23:12 CEST Jean-Luc wrote: 

(..)
.../... 

OK, that is clear. What is not, still, is the way it behaves here.
Filmic did not appear in the moduel section before I added it
into the group I had created from the main one.
And it was not activated nor applied until I created a preset
in the module itself telling it to autoapply to all photos
matching some conditions.
Then, I wanted to get rid of it, so I first removed the preset
upon which it was autoapplied. But, on my great surprise, it
still gets applied upon history compression or new import.
.../...
Back to dt again, to test whether it might also happen with
other modules. I recently added Sigmoid to my workflow, and
created the preset so it could be autoapplied.
Deleting the preset, Sigmoid is not applied anymore upon
compression or new import. Re-creating the preset, Sigmoid
auto-applies again.
At this point, unless someone proves that I am doing something
wrong, I think it is time I open a bug report.


Hello thouks,

I am not sure whether I understand your question...
If you mean the preset I started from, the one I duplicated, then 
the answear is Relatif à la scène (Scene referred if I translate 
correctly).
This seemed logical and obvious to me to use a workflow built for 
the kind I would use.


Hello Jack,

I was sure I had checked this before. Hopefully, I did it now.
Surprizingly, switching to None or Display (and restart dt) makes 
things work as expected. I tested both.
So I will keep this setting to None until a solution is found. And 
update the report to take this into account.


Rgrds,

J.-Luc

So, it seems it is a wanted behaviour, as Filmic is a mandatory module 
when the wokflow is set to scene-referred.

Unexpected, but there was surely a good reason for this.
And, I realize I did not read correctly the manual - I must have skipped 
the section where this is explained. Sorry for this.


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Re: [darktable-user] Filtering combining multiple dual conditions

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Le 07/05/2023 à 15:37, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On dimanche 7 mai 2023 14:24:03 CEST Jean-Luc wrote:

Hello,

I need to export pictures with eight different tags but belonging to the
same roll.
The only way to achieve this seems to combine (rollname and tag1) or
(rollname and tag2) ... or (rollname and tag8) in the filter fields.
The problem is : it seems limited to ten lines, which means five conditions.


Perhaps "collection filters" with "search" option can work? I.e. select the
filmroll with the images you need, then set up a series of collection filter
rules with "search" for a (partial) tag name. Don't forget to switch the
combination option to "or" for the second and following rules!

This works well for simple searches (combining all rules with the same boolean
operator), not sure how easy to use it is with complex filtering.


Hello Remco,

I think - I hope - this is the way I did.
Unfortunately, as you can see on the screenshot, I can only set five 
conditions, where I need much more.

But maybe this is not what you meant.

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Re: [darktable-user] Filtering combining multiple dual conditions

[Jean-Luc]

Le 07/05/2023 à 18:06, Guillermo Rozas a écrit :

Hi Jean-Luc,
you can use the collections module to define the filmroll, and then 
the filters module to select the tags. Since datktable 4.2.1 there is 
an AND implied between them, so you can just OR all the tags in the 
filter and will only apply to the selected filmroll.

Regards,
Guillermo

On Sun, May 7, 2023, 09:25 Jean-Luc  wrote:

Hello,

I need to export pictures with eight different tags but belonging
to the
same roll.


.../...

Hello Guillermo,

I did absolutely not understand this part of the documentation, it 
remained obscure to me until both Remco and you made it clear.

Many thanks to both, it seems it works fine and does what I need ! :-)

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Re: [darktable-user] Filtering combining multiple dual conditions

[Jean-Luc]

Le 07/05/2023 à 18:04, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

.../...
Indeed, I was talking about the "collections filter", which is just below the
"collections". Basically, pick the film roll you need in the "collections"
section, then go to the section *below* that.


Many thanks again (cf. reply to guillermo).

Rgrds,

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Re: [darktable-user] Module "rotate and perspective" / aspect ratio

[Jean-Luc]

Le 10/12/2023 à 19:13, Michael Fritze a écrit :

Hi,

I use the "rotate and perspective" a lot and I only miss one feature. Maybe I
did not find it, maybe there is another module to do this.
When I use this module most times X/Y ratio does not look correct. E.g.
squares are not squares and circles look like an ellipse.
Is there a way to scale aspect ratio?


Hello,

Last option when specific is selected as lens type is Aspect adjustment 
(Ajustement de l'aspect, in french).

Could you check if it is set to 1.00 when the problem occurs ?

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Re: [darktable-user] Installing darktable 4.6 in Ubuntu 22.04.3 why is it so hard?

[Jean-Luc]

Le 27/12/2023 à 14:54, Remco Viëtor a écrit :

On mercredi 27 décembre 2023 14:04:30 CET Andrew Greig wrote:

I have backed up my ~config/darktable of 4.4.2 and

I have issues with the installation, what is best? apt snap or flatpack?
why do we have such a shit fight?
In 2002 I was using Mandrake and it was as smooth as.  Best detection
and configuration of hardware because of the outstanding installer, but
here we are 21 years later and things are really shit!!

(...)

Darktable team can only provide so many binary packages. If they don't provide
a package for your distribution, you'll have to wait until someone else
prepares one.

The latest version was published dec. 21, that's about a week ago, with
christmas in that week. Some of the packagers might have had other obligations
during that time?

And of course, if you are in a hurry, you can always download the source code
and compile dt yourself. Apart from a possible hurdle concerning compiler
versions(*), it's not that difficult. (it's what I did...)

  (*: you need at least GCC 12, and then best use "export CC=gcc-12;export
CXX=g++-12" before starting the build)


Hello,

I second this fully. Packaging is not as just snapping one's fingers.
Forget about flatpaks and snaps which could lead to unexpected 
behaviours, the best is compiling from sources - what I began to do a 
few releases ago.
I install in /usr so as to get things as close as possible from the 
first installation from Pascal D.'s repository, and I use checkinstall 
instead of make install.
The whole process stands below (don't forget to backup your important 
folders) :


   # Désinstallation de darktable (optionnel)
   ## #sudo apt autoremove darktable -y #
   Pré-requis : installation des dépendances
   ### sed -e '/^#\sdeb-src
   /s/^# *//;t;d' "/etc/apt/sources.list" \ | sudo tee
   /etc/apt/sources.list.d/darktable-sources-tmp.list > /dev/null \ &&
   ( sudo apt update sudo apt build-dep darktable ) sudo rm
   /etc/apt/sources.list.d/darktable-sources-tmp.list # Prérequis :
   Outils  sudo apt -y install autoconf automake
   autopoint appstream build-essential checkinstall clang cmake exiv2
   extra-cmake-modules g++-12 git git-all intltool m4 make meson nasm
   ninja-build patch pkg-config tar xsltproc # Prérequis : Dépendances
   # sudo apt -y install libavif-dev
   libcurl4-gnutls-dev libexiv2-27 libexiv2-dev libgmic1 libgtk-3-dev
   libheif1 libimath-3-1-29 libjpeg-dev libjson-glib-dev liblcms2-dev
   liblensfun-dev libportmidi-dev libpugixml-dev libraw20 librsvg2-dev
   libsqlite3-dev libtiff5-dev libxml2-dev libxml2-utils # Clônage du
   dépôt GIT ## git clone --recurse-submodules
   --depth 1 https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable.git cd
   darktable git fetch --tags git checkout tags/release-4.6.0 #
   Récupération des sous-modules ### git
   submodule update --init # Build manuel ## mkdir build/
   cd build/ export CC=gcc-12 export CXX=g++-12 cmake
   -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/ .. make sudo checkinstall

Worked flawlessly with 4.4.x (with add-on of 2 new export instructions), 
4.5.0 and latest 4.6.0, I adapt it upon release version and new 
dependancies and other needs such as GCC versions.

As always, before everything : backup all important datas.

Rgrds, and happy New Year celebrations,

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Re: [darktable-user] dt 4.6.1 - Fatal error in build from source; advice requested

[Jean-Luc]

Le 20/02/2024 à 11:25, tony Hamilton a écrit :

I'm building dt 4.6.1 following the build procedure in the READMe.MD file on
github as accurately as I am able to - that is I am following every command
line instruction/example given. I'm running Mint 21.3, up to date as of this
morning.

The build proceeds to about 95% complete; it then posts this error (copied
from my terminal dialog):

.../...
The error is consistently reproducible. I am deleting ~/darktable and
/opt/darktable entirely between build attempts.


Hello Tony,

I just gave it a try a few minutes ago with no problem.
Ubuntu 22.04.
Maybe something weak in your system. :-/

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Re: [darktable-user] dt 4.6.1 - Fatal error in build from source; advice requested

[Jean-Luc]

Le 24/02/2024 à 09:53, tony Hamilton a écrit :

On 23/02/2024 23:14, Florian Heer wrote:

On 23/02/2024 21:28, Jean-Luc wrote:

Le 20/02/2024 à 11:25, tony Hamilton a écrit :

I'm building dt 4.6.1 following the build procedure in the READMe.MD file on
github as accurately as I am able to - that is I am following every command
line instruction/example given. I'm running Mint 21.3, up to date as of this
morning.


.../...

Don't forget, after compiling, to update lenfun - otherwise some cameras 
might be missing.


sudo apt update liblensfun-bin
lensfun-update-data

My D4s had vanished once more, this made it come back.

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re: [darktable-user] Print Drivers

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Hello,

 

I am in the same case with my canon Pixma 4950 : Turboprint is the only way to 
get correct printouts.

With this model (or brand... I don't remember whether it is related to the 
model or the brand itself), trying
to print the usual way would produce awful results, far worse than what you can 
get with your epson.
Regardless to calibration considerations.

TP is worth every cent I spent for it.

 

Regards,

 

J.-Luc

 

 

 

 

> Message du 25/05/16 20:03
> De : "David Vincent-Jones" 
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> Objet : [darktable-user] Print Drivers
> 
>
> I have until recently been using Turboprint as my base driver installed on 
> CUPS and print output has been quite satisfactory but after a system rebuild 
> I decided to try and go with the non-commercial default Epson-CUPS driver and 
> I assumed that it would make little difference since this is the dt 
> documented approach. I am using a calibrated screen and a calibrated paper.
> 
> After trying a number of combinations I finally have had to go back to using 
> the Turboprint driver  I was simply unable to have the print match the 
> screen with the 'conventional' driver after following the dt examples and 
> instructions.
> 
> Is anybody else having similar problems?
> 
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> 
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Re: [darktable-user] on conflict

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

+1

 

I reported this as a bug some times ago, and was replied it is intentional.

But I'd really rather have it behave the opposite.

 

J.-Luc

 

 

> Message du 01/06/16 03:09
> De : darkta...@911networks.com
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> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] on conflict
> 
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 07:34:13 +0800
> Louis Turk  wrote:
> 
> >Is there any way to make "on conflict" default to "overwrite"? If
> >not, could it be made possible? In my workflow, I never use "create
> >unique file name" intentionally, so having to change to "overwrite"
> >each time I make corrections is time-wasting, especially if I forget
> >and end up having to delete and/or rename a bunch of files.
> 
> +1
> 
> BTW, even with a preset, it's not possible to store the "overwrite"
> status, it always comes up as: on conflict: "create unique filename".
> 
> If I could store all the export settings (including the on conflict),
> that would be good enough for me.
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Re: Dual monitor?

[Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)]

M...
There is a lot done is software, that is a fact.
But if you want "correct" results with only the software you have to
disable usage of graphic cards LUTs...

2016-04-11 22:10 GMT+02:00 Matthieu Moy :

> - Original Message -
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 17:43:30 +0530
> > HaJo Schatz  wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, but a gnome terminal doesn't, usually, require colour
> > > correction, IMHO :)
> > That I know. It is your graphic card that allows the window to cover a
> > number of monitors, not the program
>
> Your graphics card does not do all the color management. A lot is done in
> software, and darktable needs to know the profile of the screen it's being
> displayed on (for example, the gamut check can clearly not be implemented
> in hardware, your graphics card does not know that you want to get these
> blue dots for out-of-gamut pixels).
>
> BTW, having a window cover several screens also involves more software
> than hardware. You can get it with two graphics cards and one monitor per
> graphics card.
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Darktable can't load

[Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)]

Maybe you can try to launch it from a terminal (xterm,  gnome-terminal.,
...)  and see the messages displayed.

regards

Jean-Luc
Le 6 avr. 2016 06:41, "Louis Turk" <l...@dayspringpublisher.com> a écrit :

> Hi developers,
>
> Since your April fool's joke, Darktable will no longer load for me. It
> immediately locks up with a blank screen, and gives no error messages. I
> have to kill the darktable process to close it.
>
> I think it would be wise to not engage in such jokes if you want
> darktable to be considered a professional product. I've been waiting for
> an update, hoping that that will cure the problem. But so far no update.
> I now have 50,000 plus photos I can't access with darktable, and I am
> needing to get some work down.
>
> Is there any way to trouble shoot this problem?
>
> Louis
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Re: [darktable-user] Color space

[Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)]

Hi,

With aRGB, do you mean Adobe RGB?

In any case, the output profile is not related to the fact the files are
raw or other. The camera does not apply sRGB or Adobe RGB on raw files. Raw
files are... ermm raw :)

If you get an in camera jpeg  Adobe RGB will allow a bigger colour space
(less loss than sRGB). It *may* be useful in some circumstances, depending
of what you will do with your pictures.

If you shoot in raw, YOU decide which OUTPUT profile to applied to you work
at the end of raw processing and it depends of the target. Is it for the
Web ? To be printed ? Which kind of print service.

For the web sRGB is fine.
If you use an online service to print, ask the service for the profile they
need.

Regards

Jean-Luc

2016-03-22 19:09 GMT+01:00 <darkta...@911networks.com>:

> Kind of off-topic. DT 2.0.2
>
> What do you recommend for raw files: aRGB or sRGB?
>
> Most of my photos end up exported as sRGB for web with some printed
> also as sRGB at WHCC.
>
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Re: [darktable-user] White balance temperature

[Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)]

Hi,

Try a simple experiment : set your camera WB to tungsten, and take an
outside picture. Get the JPEG from the camera. It will be blue... so too
cool.

It is the same in the raw processor, if it is an exterior daylight SCENE
(quite neutral : 5500-6500K)  and you set a warm colour temperature (3000K)
for the PICTURE, it will appear be too cool.

The behaviour is normal: you have to "compensate" so act the opposite as
what you see. You tell the system the temperature YOU decide the SCENE was
et not the temperature you would like the PICTURE appears.

Jean-Luc


2016-03-30 13:12 GMT+02:00 Swee Oon <sweeoo...@gmail.com>:

> Can someone explain to me darktable's colour temperature settings in the
> white balance module. I thought with colour temperature, the greater the
> value the "colder" the picture will be - but in darktable it's the direct
> opposite. For example, if I move the slider from 5000K to 6000K I expect
> the picture to look cooler, but instead it became warmer. Why is this
> happening in darktable?
>
> --
> cheers,
> Swee
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[darktable-user] Tethering Olympus OM-D

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

Hi,

I just tested the tethering on my Oly M10 to no avail. The camera 
doesn't seem to be detected by gphoto2. Linux is not to be blamed as it 
doesn't work better on Windows or Mac OS as reported on the internet.


How about the M5 mark II and the M1? Any Oly user who can confirm 
successful tethering on these models?


Cheers.

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[darktable-user] Default filtering in LT

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

Hello there!

Is there a way to always open the lighttable with a user defined default 
filetering like "all except rejected"?


Couldn't find anything like that in the "user preferences"

Cheers.

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[darktable-user] Re-using a parametric mask

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

If I create a parametric mask in one module, is there a way to re-use it 
in another module?
It's possible with the drawn masks, but could not find how to do the 
same with the parametric masks.

They also do not show in the Mask Manager.

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re: [darktable-user] A better starting-point for Nikon RAW-files

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Hello,

 

Just one thing that puzzles me : Nikon ViewNX2 generates a profile for each 
picture it processes, so each
profile is based upon the parameters of this picture.

That would mean that, for each picture, one would have to use the corresponding 
imported profile, else one
might get even worse results than using the DT dedicated basecurve, isn't it ?

That said, I think that that is the way profiles work...

 

Regards,

 

J.-Luc

 

 

> Message du 26/07/16 18:45
> De : "Vidar Hoel" 
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> Objet : [darktable-user] A better starting-point for Nikon RAW-files
> 
> Hi,
> 
> some time ago I noticed that the JPGs from my Nikon were better then 
> what I could achieve from processing the RAW-file (NEF) in Darktable. 
> After some digging on the Internet, I figured out I could use an 
> alternative to the default base-curves in Darktable - and that made me 
> get a better starting-point when processing my Nikon RAW-files (and I 
> was able to achieve a better image than the JPGs from my camera!)
> 
> Today I finished a step-by-step video of what I did, so anyone can see, 
> learn and perhaps do it themselves.
> 
> Some notes before viewing:
> - I am not really sure behind the technology behind this. I am not sure 
> if a Nikon RAW-file has a profile embedded, but it seems so.
> - I am not sure if there is an other way to achieve this is Darktable?
> - As explained in the video, you will need Windows, or a friends laptop 
> with Windows, once, to make this work.
> - My native language is not English :-)
> 
> https://youtu.be/O1nS3URVSYA
> 
> Enjoy :-)
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] A better starting-point for Nikon RAW-files

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

t; > > > > What's the command to open a .icm file in gnome-color-manager?
> > > > > > I'd like to look at one of my Nikon D810 files.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 at 20:37 Bernhard
> > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> I opened this in gnome color manager and viewed the profile.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> It gives the following remarks:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The profile has the following problems:
> > > > > >> • The white of the output medium is distorted by blobs of color
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Nevertheless it's interesting to view the gamut and color
> > > > > >> curves of the profile ...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> DispCalGUI refuses to open the files.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> regards
> > > > > >> Bernhard
> > > > > >> http://www.bilddateien.de
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> André Felipe Carvalho schrieb am 02.08.2016 um 21:16:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hello,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I've following this thread with great interest, since I have a
> > > > > >> Nikon 7200 and I was even thinking about developing from jpegs
> > > > > >> instead of raws.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Could you please instruct me with what to do with those .icm
> > > > > >> files? e.g., where to put it in my system. I know it's for the
> > > > > >> D7100, but since Saint Germain reccomended it, I would like to
> > > > > >> git it a try.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> And about the generation of .icm files specifically for the
> > > > > >> D7200, if someone could send them to me, I would greatly
> > > > > >> appreciate it.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thank you in advance!
> > > > > >> André Felipe
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 2016-08-01 21:59 GMT-03:00 Saint Germain
> > >:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Hello,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I've tried your profiles with my D7200, and I can confirm
> > > > > >>> that the results are much closer to the camera jpeg.
> > > > > >>> I can see a slight blue/green cast and the colors are less
> > > > > >>> saturated, but it's a much better starting point than the base
> > > > > >>> curve.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I'll have to generate my own profiles to be sure (perhaps
> > > > > >>> D7200 is a bit different from D7100 ?).
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Thanks to Edgardo and Vidar !
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:10:22 -0300, Edgardo Hoszowski
> > > > > >>>  > > wrote :
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> > Sure, see attached
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > 2016-08-01 5:46 GMT-03:00 Rafa García
> > > > > >>> > >:
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > > Hi Edgardo,
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > > I wrote you related about 7100 icc profiles. I have a
> > > > > >>> > > mac updated to capitan and I couldn't install view NX 2 to
> > > > > >>> > > generate the profiles.
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > > Could you send me your 7100 generated profiles?
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > > Thanks!
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > >
> > > > > >>> > > 2016-07-31 19:13 GMT+02:00 Edgardo H

Re: [darktable-user] Collect images

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Hello,

 

Within the lighttable, expand the Collection filters tab, then select Color 
label, select the color to exclude and then the operator Exclude pictures.

Repeat this for every color you want to exclude.

Then, for each roll you want to see the pictures, select Roll, select the roll 
name and finally select the operator Include pictures.

Thre must be some other / easier way, but that's how I would do.

BTW, can someone confirm whether there is or not an empty line between each 
line in my message ?

 

Regards,

 

J.-Luc

 

 

 

 

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> 
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:45:32 -0700
> "I. Ivanov"  wrote:
> 
> >I would do the following
> >
> >1. Select the folder or location with all images that you filter
> >
> >2. Add a rule narrow down selection. Change it to "except"
> >
> >https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/ch02s03s02.html.php
> >
> >Look at the bottom - "combining rules"
> >
> >Works for me on ubuntu 14.04 and DT 2.0.5
> >
> >Screenshot is very small
> 
> Yes. My problem is that I need to select multiple folders and then I
> can't make it work
> 
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re: [darktable-user] Collect images

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Hello,

 

Well, what exactly do you intend to do ?

1- Just display the ones that don't have colour label, or

2- Move the ones with no colour label to another place ?

 

J.-Luc

 

 

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> 
> DT 2.0.5 on arch.
> 
> I'm having problem collecting images
> 
> * I have 8 film rolls. All the images related to 1 topic (basically a union). 
> * Now I want to shrink the whole group to only the images that have
> a color label.
> 
> How do I do that?
> 
> How do I add: except the no color label to the whole previous 8
> rolls?
> 
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Re: Re: Re: Fwd: Re: [darktable-user] Channel Mixer Oddity

[Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)]

Hello Alan

I have had some problems in the past due to a random problem with the right
button of my mouse.

I had very strange behaviours and I was unable to rotate an image in the
"crop and rotate module".

Maybe yous hould control your mouse, especally if it is Logitech (the best
way is to try an other one for a while).

... just in case of...

J-L

2016-07-11 20:12 GMT+02:00 A. Huntley <alan.hunt...@cox.net>:

> Hello Jean-Luc,
>
> Just to be absolutely clear...I am not missing the right-click. I've tried
> everything I can think of and I cannot do *any* entry into this field.
> What's additionally odd is that the box will often stay open even when I
> close the Channel Mixer dialog or return to lighttable because I hit a dot.
> It really makes me think that on Mac GTK3 is loosing focus, since I have to
> click on something else to close the box.
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Re: [darktable-user] Channel Mixer Oddity
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:57:39 +0200
> From: Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) <jean.luc.cou...@gmail.com>
> <jean.luc.cou...@gmail.com>
> CC: darktable-user <darktable-user@lists.darktable.org>
> <darktable-user@lists.darktable.org>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Tobias said,
> "Regarding the problem with the '.', it seems that for some reason the
> focus
> indeed is first passed to the parent window instead of the popup directly.
> I
> suppose other keys (like, numbers) are working when typing?"
>
> Just to add some informations:
>
> I use quite often this module and most of the time, everything is fine.
> (BTW it accepts both , [comma] or . [dot] as the decimal delimiter with my
> french locale). Time to time I've the problem of darktable switching back
> to the ligthtable.
>
> Normally, I do a right-click and the I enter the value (or move the widget
> control) and everything is fine.
>
> But *if I miss the right-click*, entering directly a dot (decimal point),
> then it switches back to the lighttable. This is perfectly repeatable.
>
> If I enter the coma... it does nothing which is fine.
>
> I never remarked this before, because I never missed the right-click...
> I've just torured it a bit to test.
>
> I use Debian sid, with gnome/gtk-3.0 and git/master version.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean-Luc
>
>
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Re: Re: Fwd: Re: [darktable-user] Channel Mixer Oddity

[Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)]

Hi,

Tobias said,
"Regarding the problem with the '.', it seems that for some reason the focus
indeed is first passed to the parent window instead of the popup directly. I
suppose other keys (like, numbers) are working when typing?"

Just to add some informations:

I use quite often this module and most of the time, everything is fine.
(BTW it accepts both , [comma] or . [dot] as the decimal delimiter with my
french locale). Time to time I've the problem of darktable switching back
to the ligthtable.

Normally, I do a right-click and the I enter the value (or move the widget
control) and everything is fine.

But *if I miss the right-click*, entering directly a dot (decimal point),
then it switches back to the lighttable. This is perfectly repeatable.

If I enter the coma... it does nothing which is fine.

I never remarked this before, because I never missed the right-click...
I've just torured it a bit to test.

I use Debian sid, with gnome/gtk-3.0 and git/master version.

Regards

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Re: [darktable-user] Nikon D750 support?

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Hello,

 

I finally found the thread about this topic, from last summer !

Unfortunately, I couldn't find how to paste the link to the first message, 
sorry.

Is is from 26th of july, 2016 and was started by Vidar Hoel. Its title : A 
better starting point for Nikon raw files.

I've been using this method since then, I'm very satisfied with its results.

 

Rgrds,

 

J.-Luc

 

 

 

 

> Message du 31/01/17 07:43
> De : "Remco Viëtor" 
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> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Nikon D750 support?
> 
> On lundi 30 janvier 2017 16:22:15 CET Jani Kajala wrote:
> > Thanks for the tips, activating "shadows and highlights" module and "base
> > curve" + changing base curve from "Nikon like" to "Nikon D750" indeed did
> > the trick, now getting identical starting point in LR and DT, and this
> > matches also very closely to default JPG output from the camera.
> 
> Just keep in mind that the main reason to use RAW files is _not_ to reproduce 
> the in-camera jpegs (if it was, why bother). That's not to say that it 
> shouldn't be possible, but quite often you can do better than in-camera jpeg 
> (esp. wrt highlights and sharpening).
> 
> A large part of the treatment depends on taste. For instance, I quite often 
> use the Leica-like basecurve, instead of the automatically selected 
> Sony-like. 
> That gets me a darker image, with less blown highlights (the Sony-like curve, 
> like some others, is _very_ flat at the right side, so less visible detail in 
> e.g. clouds). If that makes the shadows too dark, exposure fusion, tone 
> curve, 
> etc. correct that. And I often prefer a slightly darker image than the 
> default 
> jpeg gives me, anyway.
> 
> So, for me, reproducing the in-camera jpeg would at best be a starting point.
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Input color profile for Olympus OMD-EM5 Mk II

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

Thanks for your profiles. Works great on weird colors on some raws (see 
links)


https://goo.gl/photos/vTeRrPNK2dHLPVQL8
https://goo.gl/photos/AJHvw4pzQEscmaUK9

Cheers.

Jean-Luc

On 06/02/17 18:59, junkyardspar...@yepmail.net wrote:

I created profiles for the E-PL6 and E-PL7, which turned out almost exactly 
similar. Since they both use the same sensor as the E-M5mkII, you may want to 
give them a try:

 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b8hgqit9n8xk8y2/AABWtUI1fIbrGyfj43tZyH6Fa?dl=0

There's also a base curve based on the default E-PL6 output, as a dtstyle. You 
may want to try that, too, in combination with either my color profiles or the 
standard ones.

Using these profiles with any substantial base curve gives rather strong 
saturation, so I also usually auto-apply the color correction module with 
saturation set to something like 0.85, for something pretty close to 
out-of-camera rendering.

I used the method outlined here to create the profiles:

 http://ninedegreesbelow.com/photography/well-behaved-camera-profile.html

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[darktable-user] Input color profile for Olympus OMD-EM5 Mk II

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

Hello,

Does anyone have an icc color profile for the EM5 Mk II or point me to a 
good howto on how to make one myself?


Cheers

Jean-Luc

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Re: [darktable-user] Input color profile for Olympus OMD-EM5 Mk II

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

Just put the icc files in $HOME/.config/darktable/color/in/ directory 
(create it if not exists).


Restart dt and they should appear ine the "input color profile" module.

Cheers.

Jean-Luc

On 08/02/17 00:01, J. Paul Bissonnette wrote:

On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 20:10:04 +0100
Jean-Luc Lacroix <jean@lacroix.it> wrote:


Thanks for your profiles. Works great on weird colors on some raws
(see links)

https://goo.gl/photos/vTeRrPNK2dHLPVQL8
https://goo.gl/photos/AJHvw4pzQEscmaUK9

Cheers.

Jean-Luc

On 06/02/17 18:59, junkyardspar...@yepmail.net wrote:

I created profiles for the E-PL6 and E-PL7, which turned out almost
exactly similar. Since they both use the same sensor as the
E-M5mkII, you may want to give them a try:

 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b8hgqit9n8xk8y2/AABWtUI1fIbrGyfj43tZyH6Fa?dl=0

There's also a base curve based on the default E-PL6 output, as a
dtstyle. You may want to try that, too, in combination with either
my color profiles or the standard ones.

Using these profiles with any substantial base curve gives rather
strong saturation, so I also usually auto-apply the color
correction module with saturation set to something like 0.85, for
something pretty close to out-of-camera rendering.

I used the method outlined here to create the profiles:

 http://ninedegreesbelow.com/photography/well-behaved-camera-profile.html

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Thanks
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Re: [darktable-user] Segfault DT 2.2.1

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

... and I just tried Gtk 3.22.7-1 from unstable: same problem as well.

This doesn't prevent me from using dt. I just have to avoid replicating 
the actions that trigger the segfault. Once in dr I can use all modules 
without any problem.


Cheers

Jean-Luc

On 21/01/17 08:49, Jean-Luc Lacroix wrote:

Same problem with 3.22.6-1 that recently landed in Debian testing.

Cheers

Jean-Luc

On 14/01/17 00:37, Patrick Rudin wrote:

schrieb Jean-Luc Lacroix <jean@lacroix.it>:


Hi all,

DT version: 2.2.1-2
GTK version: 3.22.5-1
Debian Testing


https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtk+3.0.html

3.22-6 is coming, maybe you can pin it from unstable and test if the
problem is already solved?


regards

Patrick


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Re: [darktable-user] Segfault DT 2.2.1

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

Try this on DT 2.2.1 and libgtk 3.22.6-1

- Open DT
- click on import -> image
- cancel the window
- click on import -> image or import -> folder

.. bang! segfault.

Cheers

Jean-Luc



On 21/01/17 14:10, Patrick Rudin wrote:

schrieb Jean-Luc Lacroix <jean@lacroix.it>:

Same problem with 3.22.6-1 that recently landed in Debian testing.


I still work with Debian Jessie but have Debian testing on another
partition and tried just after your first posting with 3.22-5, and
yesterday again with 3.22-6. I tried really hard, but I am unable to
reproduce the segfault.


regards

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Re: [darktable-user] Segfault DT 2.2.1

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

Same problem with 3.22.6-1 that recently landed in Debian testing.

Cheers

Jean-Luc

On 14/01/17 00:37, Patrick Rudin wrote:

schrieb Jean-Luc Lacroix <jean@lacroix.it>:


Hi all,

DT version: 2.2.1-2
GTK version: 3.22.5-1
Debian Testing


https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtk+3.0.html

3.22-6 is coming, maybe you can pin it from unstable and test if the
problem is already solved?


regards

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Re: [darktable-user] white balance

[Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)]

Hi,

I think this post is going outside the original question.

The original question was about a grey card and white balance (I I
understood corrrectly).
And what to do if the grey card doesnt appear "neutral" in darktable.

1 - Grey card and white balance.
The fact that the card is 18%, 22% or anything else is unrelevant if we
speak of white balance (the 18% is useful for exposure control... well, I
will no enter the debate about calibration and the various mid-grey,
median-grey or so)
So, yes, we can set the white balance using the "spot" white balance on a
grey card as soon as the grey is neutral.
Neutral means "the same value for red, green, blue".

2 - Card is not neutral
If the grey is not neutral, say a colour cast with one of the channel with
a different value, your white balance will give a colour cast in the
opposite direction.
You can correct that in dt with the module "colour balance" for instance by
selecting the neutral area of interest with the colour picker and trying to
have the same value for all the 3 channels.
But, in my opinion, if your grey card is reasonably neutral, you well not
see (with your eyes) any difference.
A simple sheet of (white) paper can also do the job.

About the reflectivity of the neutral grey : it is an other matter. Such
grey card can be used to adjust the exposure. But as there are strong
controversies about what should be the neutrality of a neutral grey, this
subject is prone to leave to various trolls.

Regards

Jean-Luc

2017-02-22 8:36 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Bolzani <l.bolz...@gmail.com>:

> Printing a gray card is a bad idea: you need a very good an perfectly
> calibrated printer for this and good non-glossy paper. Otherwise you do not
> get perfect gray and you get a random shade of color in all your shots
> where you use it. Just buy one.
>
> For white balance, as Ivanov said, any gray is good, actually you
> typically use a white card. So *just take a white sheet from the printer
> a use that.* I did this in several occasions and works really fine. The
> minor problem is that paper is not "perfectly neutral white" but can vary
> slightly so if you are looking for ultimate perfection buy a WB card
> (X-Rite, Opteka, etc.).
>
> The gray 18% thing is about setting the exposure, not the white balance.
> Of course you can use the gray card for white balance too but it's not its
> main purpose. Typically gray 18 targets are white on the other side for WB.
>
> Often white balance cards came in set of three pieces: white, gray and
> black. Almost always the gray here is not gray 18 so it is not good for
> exposure reference only for WB.
>
>
> Bye
>
> Lorenzo
>
>
> 2017-02-22 5:57 GMT+01:00 I. Ivanov <iv3...@gmail.com>:
>
>> For the purpose of white balance - I don't think it really matters if it
>> is 18% or less or more. It is just pure gray. As long as you use a card and
>> then use it to measure white balance you should be fine.
>>
>> On 2017-02-21 08:21 PM, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Well, I guess I can try to print a gray card!
>> Anyone know what the code is for 18% gray? If 18% is right in the middle
>> of the shades of gray I found one page (http://www.computerhope.com/c
>> gi-bin/htmlcolor.pl?c=808080) that says the code is:
>> 808080
>> and according to the same page it is made up of equal part RGB
>> *W3C Color Name:* Grey
>> *RGB:* 128, 128, 128
>> *HSL:* 0.00, 0.00, 0.50
>> so what is the authoritative answer?
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Marcus Sundman <sund...@iki.fi> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21/02/17 23:16, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>> is there something where we can take a picture of a gray card and then
>>>> we click on it and then dt will adjust all of the colors so that the gray
>>>> card is
>>>> 33-33-33%?
>>>>
>>> Usually you use "18% gray" meaning a card that reflects 18% of the light
>>> in the visible spectrum and equal amounts of red, green and blue.
>>>
>>> It might actually be nice if the whitebalance module would support
>>> exposure adjustment as well, to make a selected area a specific brightness,
>>> or what do others think?
>>>
>>> by the way: what is the color of the remaining 1%
>>>>
>>> That "33-33-33%" is your invention, so nobody but you can know what
>>> "remaining 1%" you are talking about. If you were talking about the
>>> reflected % of the individual color channels then there is no "remaining
>>> 1%", but the "remaining" (absorbed) amounts of light are 67%, 67% and 67%,
>>> respectively.
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [darktable-user] Nikon D750 support?

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

The link to the thread is

https://www.mail-archive.com/darktable-user@lists.darktable.org/msg00805.html

 

Rgrds,

 

J.-Luc

 

> Message du 02/02/17 20:34
> De : "Jean-Luc CECCOLI" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
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> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Nikon D750 support?
> 
>
> Hello,

>  

> I finally found the thread about this topic, from last summer !

> Unfortunately, I couldn't find how to paste the link to the first message, 
> sorry.

> Is is from 26th of july, 2016 and was started by Vidar Hoel. Its title : A 
> better starting point for Nikon raw files.

> I've been using this method since then, I'm very satisfied with its results.

>  

> Rgrds,

>  

> J.-Luc

>  

>  

>  

>  

> Message du 31/01/17 07:43
> De : "Remco Viëtor" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Nikon D750 support?
> 
> On lundi 30 janvier 2017 16:22:15 CET Jani Kajala wrote:
> > Thanks for the tips, activating "shadows and highlights" module and "base
> > curve" + changing base curve from "Nikon like" to "Nikon D750" indeed did
> > the trick, now getting identical starting point in LR and DT, and this
> > matches also very closely to default JPG output from the camera.
> 
> Just keep in mind that the main reason to use RAW files is _not_ to reproduce 
> the in-camera jpegs (if it was, why bother). That's not to say that it 
> shouldn't be possible, but quite often you can do better than in-camera jpeg 
> (esp. wrt highlights and sharpening).
> 
> A large part of the treatment depends on taste. For instance, I quite often 
> use the Leica-like basecurve, instead of the automatically selected 
> Sony-like. 
> That gets me a darker image, with less blown highlights (the Sony-like curve, 
> like some others, is _very_ flat at the right side, so less visible detail in 
> e.g. clouds). If that makes the shadows too dark, exposure fusion, tone 
> curve, 
> etc. correct that. And I often prefer a slightly darker image than the 
> default 
> jpeg gives me, anyway.
> 
> So, for me, reproducing the in-camera jpeg would at best be a starting point.
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Re: [darktable-user] automatically applies some settings

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Hello,

 

> Message du 27/02/17 00:00
> De : "Michael" 
> A : "darktable forum" 
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> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] automatically applies some settings
> 
>
> what I mean is when I open a new image up in dt five modules are activated 
> automatically:
> 0- original image
> 1- orientation (which doesn't appear to do anything)
It makes the images always be well oriented. Mandatory for me, as I very often 
take photos in portrait orientation and don't wnat to have to bother with this 
at edit.
 
> 2- sharpen (improves slightly)
> 3- basecurve (that blurs details)
Both these are pure nuisance for me. I consider them only polluting the stack. 
I'd like not to see them into the developement stack, but the only way to 
achieve this is to apply them turned off, then compress the stack, and finally 
select the stack entry just under them and compress once more or set anything 
else.
I don't use them at all. I don't want to have to use them against my will.
Instead of basecureve, I use a method a member published almost one year ago, 
the thread was "A better starting point".
It works very well for me, gives far better results than the basecurve in every 
situation.
So, yes, if I could have both the basecurve and sharpen eliminated from the 
development stack, I'd be very, very, very happy.
 
> 4- color balance (blurs even more)
> 5- white balance (changes the colors of things)
None of those are automatically applied. You must have set them to be so into 
the settings.

>
> I want to eliminate modules 3, 4, and 5 and to understand what module 1 is 
> doing.
 
As I wrote before, it tilts up photos taken in portrait mode.
You _don't_ want this to be off, unless you only use landscape mode.
 
Rgrds,
 
J.-Luc


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On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Michael  wrote:
> > I don't want dt to automatically apply some modules and I want to change
> > other modules settings. How do I do it?
> You are aware that dt uses a fixed pipeline, not like in gimp?
> 
> So if you edit basecurve, edit something else, and then again edit basecurve,
> even though history stack will contain two basecurve entries,
> the image will not have two basecurves applied?
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Re: [darktable-user] Upgrading to GTK 3.20 ruins all menus (at least in darkroom)

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

Hello Pascal and Roman,

The font hack did the trick. Will wait until 2.0.6 lands in the testing 
repo's to give it a try with the stock css file. Shouldn't be too long, 
the Debian testing maintainer is pretty fast to update the DT package in 
testing.


Thanks for your help.

Jean-Luc

On 14/09/16 20:37, Pascal Obry wrote:

Le mercredi 14 septembre 2016 à 20:21 +0200, Jean-Luc Lacroix a écrit :

Seems that I am also hit by the GTK problem. Here is my environment:

Distro: Debian testing
DT: 2.0.5
GTK: libgtk-3-0 version 3.21.5-3

I have tried the Pascal Obry's CSS to no avail. Any chance that the
DT
2.0.6 cured the problem?

Screenshot of what I see when I launch DT:

https://goo.gl/pLw6mx


This is a Gtk 3.21 issue not a 3.20 one :) Use my CSS for now and
replace the font to read:

 font: 8pt Sans;

Should be fixed in 2.0.6.

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[darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Hello,

I rencently wanted to merge some settings to a binch of photos.

I set everything to the first one, adjusted to fit my taste, then copy the 
selected values, and finally pasted those same values to over 1200 photos.

At this time, I realized that I had left the parmeter set to overwrite instead 
of merge (or stack, I don't remember the english parameter).

Anyway, I lost all the previous settings, which is terrible since I had spent 
over 5 hours (at least) to get the photos match what I wanted.

No worry, I thought : I had exported them to jpeg, so it might be easy to 
retrieve the settings.

What I did :

1- erase the entries from the current library

2- close DT and rename the current library

3- import the jpegs, save all as sidecars and close DT

4- rename the sidecars from .jpg.xml to .nef.xml and replace those in the 
pictures' directory

5- delete the newly created library and restore the previous one

6- open DT, re-import the folder containing my photos.

At this time, I expected to see the history for each photo, but, despites the 
fact all seem to display as before I overwrote instead of merging, the only 
entries in the history are Original and Orientation.

So, when I attempt to apply the new settings as I first wanted, they display 
over-over-over-exposed.

Any idea what I could have done wrong ?

Regards,

J.-Luc


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Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble

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> Message du 10/09/16 18:27
> De : "Tobias Ellinghaus" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble
> 
> Am Samstag, 10. September 2016, 17:15:07 CEST schrieb Jean-Luc CECCOLI:
> > Hello,
> 
.../...
> 
> While the exported JPEGs contain the XMP data, darktable won't read them like 
> that. What you should try is using the exiv2 command line tool with the "-pX" 
> argument to extract the sidecar.
Well, I thought that importing the jpegs and then re-exporting as xml would do 
it.

And, as I could notice, the result was a jpg.xml file per jpg file.

Isn't that meant to be enough ?

 

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re: [darktable-user] Fuji X T10 lens correction or ?

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Hello,

For what I know, camera manufacturers tend to add some (useless) processing to 
their JPEGs.
And I think this is the same kind of behaviour with inkjet manufacturers, when 
they add porcessing to the printouts in photo mode.
This processing is meant to feat the taste of a panel of people who were asked 
to.
Most of the time, those people like flashy colours rather than softer but more 
realistic ones.
I had a similar discussion with a professional photographer whom I showed 3 
photos :
- the first one, as from the camera JPEG
- the second one, with (as as possible) accurate colours
- then, the third, with colour saturation accentuation.
I asked him to tell me which was which, and it didn't take more than 3 seconds 
to sort them.
But, he added, his customers prefer photos of the first or even third kind 
(JPEGs from the camera) rather than those of the second, so he always adds 
saturation to his photos.
Which I personally don't like at all... but I am not 99% of the customers.

Would you be surprised if I tell you that I prefer the raw sample ? I find it 
more accurate, and it shows more details in shadows.
But, once again, I am not...

 

J.-Luc

 

 

> Message du 13/09/16 19:48
> De : "komodo" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
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> Objet : [darktable-user] Fuji X T10 lens correction or ?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> when i edit raw image it looks different than original jpeg from cam.
> 
> https://postimg.org/image/xcheiwp7d/
> 
> https://postimg.org/image/gd8g3ndzt/
> 
> First is crop from raw, second is crop from jpeg,
> 
> All from DT.
> 
> So it's lens correction problem, or ? Do you have same behaviour ?
> 
> Thank you
> 
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[darktable-user] Batch rename photos + sidecars OK, but...

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Hello,


I decided to rename all my photos + sidecars to delete one useless character.
The files are into subfolders under one single main folder.
>From within the main folder, this gives something like 
>./20160625/180523670.NEF, which will be convenient.

After some search on the web, I was able to do this :

for file in $(find -name "*.NEF*"); do NF=$(echo $file|cut -c1-19,21-) && mv 
$file $NF; done

which did the job, but... how could I do to modify le reference within the 
sidecar so as it matches the new name ?

Regards,

 

J.-Luc

 


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Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

OK. That makes sense. Thanks for the explanations.

 

Regards,

 

J.-Luc

 

 

 

 

> Message du 11/09/16 10:06
> De : "Tobias Ellinghaus" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
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> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble
> 
> Am Sonntag, 11. September 2016, 00:03:35 CEST schrieb Jean-Luc CECCOLI:
> > > Message du 10/09/16 18:27
> > > De : "Tobias Ellinghaus"
> > > A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> > > Copie à :
> > > Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble
> > > 
> > > Am Samstag, 10. September 2016, 17:15:07 CEST schrieb Jean-Luc CECCOLI:
> > > > Hello,
> > 
> > .../...
> > 
> > > While the exported JPEGs contain the XMP data, darktable won't read them
> > > like that. What you should try is using the exiv2 command line tool with
> > > the "-pX" argument to extract the sidecar.
> > 
> > Well, I thought that importing the jpegs and then re-exporting as xml would
> > do it.
> > 
> > And, as I could notice, the result was a jpg.xml file per jpg file.
> > 
> > Isn't that meant to be enough ?
> 
> No. The XMP embedded in a file isn't used for its history. That would result 
> in 
> double processing when importing an image exported from dt.
> 
> > J.-Luc
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Re: [darktable-user] Upgrading to GTK 3.20 ruins all menus (at least in darkroom)

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

2.0.6 has landed today in Debian testing. All fine with this version.

Cheers

Jean-Luc

On 14/09/16 20:53, Jean-Luc Lacroix wrote:

Hello Pascal and Roman,

The font hack did the trick. Will wait until 2.0.6 lands in the testing
repo's to give it a try with the stock css file. Shouldn't be too long,
the Debian testing maintainer is pretty fast to update the DT package in
testing.

Thanks for your help.

Jean-Luc

On 14/09/16 20:37, Pascal Obry wrote:

Le mercredi 14 septembre 2016 à 20:21 +0200, Jean-Luc Lacroix a écrit :

Seems that I am also hit by the GTK problem. Here is my environment:

Distro: Debian testing
DT: 2.0.5
GTK: libgtk-3-0 version 3.21.5-3

I have tried the Pascal Obry's CSS to no avail. Any chance that the
DT
2.0.6 cured the problem?

Screenshot of what I see when I launch DT:

https://goo.gl/pLw6mx


This is a Gtk 3.21 issue not a 3.20 one :) Use my CSS for now and
replace the font to read:

 font: 8pt Sans;

Should be fixed in 2.0.6.

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re: [darktable-user] Can't discard history stack

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Hello,

 

If working on a single picture, just select the first line at the bottom of the 
stack then click "compress history" and you're done : the whole stack is being 
deleted.
If you applied wrong settings to a module say, in the middle of the stack, go 
to the top of the stack, then invoque the module once more with the right 
settings, then click on to "compress history".

 

J.-Luc

 

 

 

 

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> 
> Hello
> 
> I work with 2.0.6 under Ubuntu 14.04.
> 
> I did some wrong settings in the history stack.
> 
> Now I want to discard these settings, but DT doesn't do that!?
> 
> When I delete the xmp-files, DT rebuilds them at the next startup :'(
> 
> How can I get rid of the history stack and how can I produce a different
> history stack for each picture?
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Well, though I only use few shortcuts, I can't imagine having to change all of 
them just not to experience, for instance, unwanted erasing of a bunch of 
photos.

And, yes, I could check that this happens when the cursor is not active in the 
text field when typing, which is often the case when one selects an entry and 
whish to overwrite it : then, the text is shown as selected but the cursor is 
not active, so any typing will be ignored as text entry - but unfortunately not 
as a shortcut command.

 

> Message du 24/11/16 19:30
> De : "Jean-Pierre Verrue" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
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> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour
> 
>
> I also had this problem. It is true that it is very annoying. To get around, 
> I changed the shortcut "reject" from "r" to "ctrl-r"

JP
> 
>
Le 23/11/2016 � 14:19, thokster a �crit�:
>
Hi, 
> 
> I know this behavior very well. It is very annoying, e.g. hundreds of already 
> rated photos were rejected because of a tagging action. 
> Are you sure thats a kind misinterpretation of the keystrokes? 
> 
> I guess it's just very easy to loose focus of the tag/metadata fields in 
> lighttable mode. 
> You just have to move your mouse a little bit and every keystroke will 
> interpreted as a shortcut. 
> 
> regards 
> 
> 
> Am 22.11.2016, 19:55 Uhr, schrieb Jean-Luc CECCOLI : 
> 
>
Hello, 
> 
> �I had previously been wondering how I could end up with photos marked as 
> rejected without having done anything to. 
> 
> I discovered that sometimes, filling the fields into Metadata editor or 
> Keywords, DT sees them as shortcuts and acts as such. 
> 
> Seeing the screen suddenly full sized, or switch to tethering, aso when just 
> tagging photos is really annoying. 
> 
> Besides this, according to the help-text about TAB shortcut, it ought to 
> switch between full screen and normal view but, in fact, it just doesn't 
> allow to go back to normal view, and I have to use the mouse to re-open the 
> pannels. 
> 
> It finally took to me 30 minutes to achieve a 10 minutes work. 
> 
> I know 2.0.6 will soon be replaced, but I thought it would be important to 
> report this. 
> 
> I will be very carefull when next stable is released, and if it behaves the 
> same I'll report on redmine. 
> 
> �Regards, 
> 
> �J.-Luc 
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Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Wow ! I could have been searching for this for a very long time and still not 
find it !

Thanks to all for your help.

 

Regards,

 

J.-Luc

 

 

 

 

> Message du 23/11/16 14:22
> De : "thokster" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
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> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour
> 
> +1
> 
> Am 23.11.2016, 14:03 Uhr, schrieb 12li...@gadz.org <12li...@gadz.org>:
> 
> > I personnally noticed when setting the size of to be exported JPEG that :
> > - i was not able to enter the size if the mouse was not on the export
> > module frame.
> >
> > So it seams that effect of keyboard inputs is mouse focus dependant. But 
> > I
> > don't know if it is the expected behaviour.
> >
> > Have you tried to type in your fields with and without the mouse on the
> > field/module frame ?
> >
> > (I bet that in the name of your son's friends, there are some "r" and 
> > that
> > your mouse was focused on light-table when you typed the names)
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > On 22 November 2016 at 21:42, Jean-Luc CECCOLI 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I think the TAB key problem is not the most important, but I am going to
> >> dig deeper to see if I can find something that can help.
> >>
> >> It just doesn't work the way it ought to : toggle from full screen back 
> >> to
> >> normal view (which, in my case, is all panels visible). I will have a 
> >> look
> >> at the manual to see if this couln't be a miss in the help text still 
> >> being
> >> from an older DT version.
> >>
> >> What I feel *really* annoying is what happened when I was tagging my
> >> photos.
> >>
> >> Most of them are from schoolmates of my son, so their names are in the
> >> database and I just have to click into the field and type the first 
> >> letters
> >> to bring them to focus.
> >>
> >> I'm not that a fast typer, but using all my fingers allows me to enter
> >> text at a relatively continuous rythm, without having to watch at my
> >> keyboard.
> >>
> >> What happened this time : I typed the first letters of a child's name 
> >> and
> >> tagged photos. Then, I selected the name in the field and typed over it 
> >> so
> >> as to overwrite it, but it just didn't work : the previous text kept
> >> selected, and I had to re-select it with the mouse in order to 
> >> overwrite it.
> >>
> >> After that, I could notice the photos that had been tagged were marked 
> >> as
> >> rejected. I didn't realized then and wondered how it could have happened
> >> and un-rejected them with the mouse.
> >>
> >> Then, as I was typing my copyright into the metadata field, I suddenly 
> >> saw
> >> the display going full-screen, then toggling to another view and 
> >> finally to
> >> tethering mode, displaying it couldn't find any camera - but what dit it
> >> expect ? I was just tagging my photos.
> >>
> >> All that in less than 2 seconds.
> >>
> >> It took a few seconds - at least 10 - before it left the tethering mode
> >> and toggled to zoom in with focus display, and then back to full screen
> >> view.
> >>
> >> I can't provide any screenshot.
> >>
> >> However, it is not the first time that I can notice the "rejected files
> >> trick". It already happened many times, but I didn't notice it straight
> >> after and I even thought I had done something wrong by myself.
> >>
> >> I can't remember when I noticed it for the first time - I mean, the
> >> version of DT then -, but I'll be very carefull and heavily test the 
> >> next
> >> release on this point.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> J.-Luc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Message du 22/11/16 20:09
> >> > De : "I. Ivanov" 
> >> > A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> >> > Copie � :
> >> > Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2.0.7 is currently stable. I am on ubuntu 16.04 and it is latest 
> >> stable.
> >> >
> >> > I am curious - what exactly keywords did you use to make TAB not
> >> > behaving? I had the same case but I am not sure how I ended up in it. 
> >> I
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Re: [darktable-user] Issue importing pictures from D610

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

I agree : transfering data by directly connecting the camera to the computer 
may be source of problems.

I'm using a card reader, maybe should you try this instead.

And *don't* use RPD pre-alpha, as not all features are currently implemented.

Current works fine for me (not really, in fact, as the photso are not erased 
after transfer, but it might be my fault).


J.-Luc

 

 

 

 

> Message du 17/12/16 11:41
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> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Issue importing pictures from D610
> 
> You may well have already considered these options, but ...
> 
> Check whether the camera's USB connection is set to MTP / PTP or Storage.
> 
> One or more of these will be correct for your connection to the 
> workstation, only one of them will work with RPD or Darktable ...
> 
> Check to see if the Filing system has already mounted the camera as a 
> device - it will appear in File Manager if this is so.
> Unmount it and try again.
> 
> R.
> 
> 
> On 17/12/16 09:57, Adrien le Maire wrote:
> > Hi ,
> >
> > I use Rapid Photo Downloader 0.9.0a6 installed via python & tar.gz
> > it is stuck at "probing device" and gives me the following error :
> > ERROR An unhandled exception occurred
> > ERROR Traceback (most recent call last):
> > File 
> > "/home/alemaire/.local/lib/python3.5/site-packages/raphodo/rapid.py", 
> > line 3559, in scanMessageReceived
> > data = pickle.loads(pickled_data) # type: ScanResults
> > EOFError: Ran out of input
> >
> > I also installed Rapid Photo Downloader via 'dnf install 
> > rapid-photo-downloader' on my Fedora 25 up to date. And that version 
> > (0.4.11) works for the internal filesystem and directories but for my 
> > D610 it stay on 'scanning ...' without the activity led on the camera 
> > showing any activity.
> >
> > Therefor, it seems that darktable import option is more mature but the 
> > variable system relying on EXIF data doesn't work.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Adrien
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 12:39 AM Jean-Luc CECCOLI 
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Rapid Photo Downloader buggy ? Which version did you try ?
> >
> > I didn't notice that after having been using stable versions for
> > more than three years !
> >
> > Rgrds,
> >
> > J.-Luc
> >
> > > Message du 16/12/16 11:34
> > > De : "Adrien le Maire"  > >
> > > A : "Roman Lebedev"  > >
> > > Copie à : "darktable-user"
> >  > >
> > > Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Issue importing pictures from D610
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > AFAIK, it's documented and documentation is related to v 2.0
> > > http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/ch08s03.html.php
> > >
> >
> > >
> > Thanks Dave for Rapid Photo Downloader but seems really buggy,
> > can't get it to see my pics.
> > >
> >
> > >
> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:02 AM Roman Lebedev
> > > wrote:
> > >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Adrien le Maire
> > > wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I want to import pictures from my camera in the
> > following sub directory
> > > naming pattern : $(EXIF_YEAR)/$(EXIF_MONTH)/$(EXIF_DAY)
> > but it got
> > > interpreted as $(YEAR)/$(MONTH)/$(DAY) ; is it linked to
> > my camera ? is
> > > there something I can do about it ?
> > Not a bug.
> > Such feature, i believe, was added, and is avaliable in
> > 2.2.0rc
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Adrien le Maire
> > Roman.
> >
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Re: [darktable-user] Segfault DT 2.2.1

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

FYI I didn't have that issue with 2.0.7 which was recently upgraded to 
2.2.1 in my distro.


Any hope for a fix?

Cheers

Jean-Luc

On 13/01/17 14:50, Roman Lebedev wrote:

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Jean-Luc Lacroix <jean@lacroix.it> wrote:

Hi all,

DT version: 2.2.1-2
GTK version: 3.22.5-1
Debian Testing

How to replicate segfault:
- lauch DT. It opens in LT for the last folder used.

- import->image from another folder/directory. That image is directly
displayed in DR

- switch back to LT and click on import->folder

It segfaults there.

Trace: http://pastebin.com/pSsdyQCm

I think it is a gtk issue. The backtrace is very deep within gtk.
I have been seeing it for a while. No, i did not report it upstream,
because i have better things to do.


Cheers and, as usual, thanks for all the good work DT devs!



Jean-Luc

Roman.



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