Re: xemacs y del
A .emacs: (setq delete-key-deletes-forward t) (que por cierto, está en la FAQ, Q3.5.9 ayayayayayay :-) En cuanto al asunto de las versiones: la razón es que hay mucha gente que lleva usando XEmacs desde el Paleolítico Medio o poco menos (sí, se ha confirmado que en Atapuerca han descubierto un ejemplar de la GPL en sílex burgalés :-). Esa gente, si son usuarios avanzados, suele tener una buena cantidad de código propio que no puede reutilizarse directamente en las versiones nuevas, y prefieren seguir con el cacharraje antiguo. Un saludo. -- RESET
Re: Se sabe algo de la Potato? - ya vale ;)
On mar, sep 14, 1999 at 04:55:41 +, Gustavo CR wrote: Sin animo de ofender tampoco, para los pocos mensajes que quedan sobre Debian en la lista también los prohibimos, pues nada. ¡Un momen Gustavo!, te doy toda la razón y te pido que no te vayas con el thread a otra parte pues me parece que es aquí el mejor sitio para hablar de ese tema: __debian-user-spanish__ ... creo que está claro el centro temático de esta lista: por y para los usuarios Debian de habla hispana. No pretendo crear ruido pero ¿alguién sabe si la lista tiene algún mantenedor?, es que siento ser borde, pero esta era la lista específica de Debian y cada dia se inclina más a ser un duplicado de l-linux, ¿debo desuscribirme de una de las dos? Somos _usuarios_ _Debian_ y tenemos dudas de _uso_ de esta distribución _Linux_... que cada uno piense cuales son los límites y actue consecuentemente y con *repeto hacia el grupo*. con sólo un poquito de acritud No pasa nada, de vez en cuando me tengo que morder la lengua en bien del buen clima ;-) Saludos y buen rollo a todos. -- Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webs: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/viguPersonal http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vigu/linux/ ViguLinux PGP public key: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vigu/vigu.pubkey
Re: Se sabe algo de la Potato? - ya vale ;)
--- Gustavo CR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 01:06:39PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sin ánimo de ofender a nadie, vuestra discusión ya no es sobre Linux, podríais llevarla al privado, buen royo ante todo. :) Sin animo de ofender tampoco, para los pocos mensajes que quedan sobre Debian en la lista también los prohibimos, pues nada. No pretendo crear ruido pero ¿alguién sabe si la lista tiene algún mantenedor?, es que siento ser borde, pero esta era la lista específica de Debian y cada dia se inclina más a ser un duplicado de l-linux, ¿debo desuscribirme de una de las dos? con sólo un poquito de acritud Gustavo --- Completamente deacuerdo con Gustavo ... es aqui el lugar idoneo para hablar de el tema. Aunque la lista tenga, obviamente, muchos temas en comun con listas de caracter general de Linux, tocamos mas la distribucion Debian ideoneo para la gente como yo que ha plagado su curro de Debian por todas partes. Si Linux me Interesa, tanto me interesa las cuestiones de Debian! === . (O) See you, Nos vemos, Ens veiem ab. o M http://www.doneval.speedhost.com d88b. /| .. /:M\--- 8PYPY88 (O)[]XX[]I:K+}= TOR NEC DONAVAM == 8|o||o|88 \| ^^ \:W/--- 8'.88 o W Microsoft gives you Windows ... 8`._.' Y8 (O) Linux gives you the whole house d/ `8b. __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Off-topic Re: Se sabe algo de la Potato? - ya vale ;)
A todos los aludidos, quizás la respuesta que yo di sobre YA VALE llegó algo tarde, con ese comentario me refería a dos personas, las cuales saben bien quienes son, que habían cambiado el tema de la potato por una discusión personal. Susceptibles abstenganse de responder a este mensaje, jejejjee ;P Saludos Daniel PD: Lloricas ;P debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org con fecha 14/09/99 20:06:56 Destinatarios: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org (cci: Daniel Ferradal Marquez/INFO/URQUIJO) Asunto: Re: Se sabe algo de la Potato? - ya vale ;) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Gustavo CR wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 01:06:39PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sin ?nimo de ofender a nadie, vuestra discusi?n ya no es sobre Linux, podr?ais llevarla al privado, buen royo ante todo. :) Pues crei estar hablando 100% de Debian y de un tema que nos importa bastante a muchos, aunque eso si no lo vemos todos igual. En todo caso lo que no fu? quizas muy adecuado fu? el tono y pido perd?n. Mi intenci?n no era ofender a nadie. Parece que no es facil ponerse de acuerdo porque hablamos de pr?cticas muy distintas. Para mi no tiene nada que ver el tema de que uno se pueda bajar lo ?timo de unstable sin problemas. Todos los que han dicho que no han tenido problemas con la versi?n unstable tengo que decirles que se llama unstable por alguna raz?n y tambi?n por alguna raz?n hacen falta versiones estables. O no. No se trata de lo que se es capaz de hacer con la versi?n unstable aunque reconozco que me intriga la comparaci?n con RedHat. No conozco las posibilidades de actualizaci?n en RedHat. Decir que yo actualic? varias cosas y nunca tuve problemas no me parece serio. Si estoy equivocado acerca de lo que significa en Debian versi?n unstable no me importa que alguien lo explique pero para m? unstable es una coleccion de paquetes relativamente bien probados de forma aislada, pero no suficientemente probados interactuando con el resto de la distribuci?n, y eso para mi justifica el calificativo de unstable. Por ello la versi?n nueva de un paquete no es para mi lo mismo que una actualizacion para un paquete. La actualizaci?n de un paquete significar?a una mayor garant?a para su correcta integraci?n en la distribuci?n sin tener que esperar a la versi?n estable. Los que han tenido suerte actualizando un paquete desde unstable fenomenal, pero no siempre todo el mundo tiene tanta suerte con todos los paquetes, mmm creo . Sin animo de ofender tampoco, para los pocos mensajes que quedan sobre Debian en la lista tambi?n los prohibimos, pues nada. Gracias. No pretendo crear ruido pero . [...] Gustavo -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+-- + /\ /\ Ciberdroide Informatica (tienda linux) \\W// http://www.ciberdroide.com _|0 0|_ +-oOOO--(___o___)--OOOo--+ | . . . . U U . . . . Antonio Castro Snurmacher | | http://slug.ctv.es/~acastro.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | +()()()--()()()--+ +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+-- + (((Donde Linux)))http://www.ciberdroide.com/misc/donde/dondelinux.html +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+-- + -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Leafnode-1.9.4 y libc6 (= 2.1)
Hola Estoy usando Slink y necesito actualizarme a la última versión de leafnode, por un problema muy molesto que tiene (cuando una línea de un post comienza por un punto la omite directamente). Como la versión de Potato me pide libc6 (= 2.1) y ya me cargué mi sistema una vez por actualizarla con faldas y a lo loco, estoy intentando solucionarlo de forma creativa. Primero me bajé los fuentes, el .dsc y el .diff e intenté compilarlo como cualquier otro paquete de fuentes, aplicando manualmente el diff. El make install me debió dejar los ejecutables en un sitio raro porque la versión anterior de leafnode seguía ejecutándose y no conseguí nada a pesar de haber hecho un make update (que reformatea ciertos archivos para su uso con la nueva versión de leafnode). Así que hice un make uninstall que se cargó todos los directorios y archivos de /var/spool/news. Hombre, ¡qué bien! ¡Hala! Bueno, pues de perdidos al río :) Ya no tengo datos que perder, me voy a poner a trastear, pensé yo, siempre tan positiva. Entonces me digo: Ahora te haces tu propio paquete .deb y quedas como una princesa :) ¡Qué ilusión, mi primer paquete! Sigo los consejos de Javier Fernández-Sanguino en el Linux Actual 4: /usr/src-root# dpkg-source -x leafnode_1.9.4-8.dsc dpkg-source: extracting leafnode in leafnode-1.9.4 /usr/src-root# cd leafnode-1.9.4/ /usr/src/leafnode-1.9.4-root# dpkg-buildpackage [... muchos mensajes, todo parece ir bien... pero:] Building Philip Hazel's Perl regular expressions library... make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/leafnode-1.9.4/pcre' make[2]: *** No rule to make target `w'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/leafnode-1.9.4/pcre' make[1]: *** [pcre/libpcre.a] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/leafnode-1.9.4' make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2 Claro, Potato + Perl, tenía que estallar por algún lado... En debian/README.source pone: Leafnode uses PCRE. I will always try to build with the latest installed version. There is a version of PCRE included in the source, so if you don't have a development package installed the build should still work, but Leafnode will not be statically linked against the system PCRE. PCRE must be version 2 (or possibly later), not version 1. The package uses debhelper. Note that while it conforms to FHS with old versions, it should also handle newer, more correct versions properly too. Y no entiendo bien de qué va esto. Cuando yo compilé el paquete desde el tgz original no me mentó a Perl para nada. O sea, que por aquí tampoco llego a ningún lado... Como tengo por ahí el paquete .deb compilado para Potato, se me ha ocurrido que lo puedo extraer, sustituir los ejecutables por los que yo compile para Slink y volverlo a empaquetar. ¿Se puede hacer? Es una chapuza, pero no soy capaz de encontrar un Leafnode-1.9.4 compilado para Slink... ¿alguien lo ha visto? Y cuando vosotros tenéis que hacer estas cosillas, ¿metéis tanto la pata o es inherente a los filólogos? En serio, cuál es la manera de parchear la distribución sin liar la que yo he liado? Fdo: Amaia, compuesta y sin news, pero con ganas de trastear de lo lindo :) -- Mind-affecting chemicals are tools like any other. At the right time, in the right place, they can be very useful. For the effect of psychedelics on the development community, well, there's Enlightenment, isn't there? Barbwired (The Translatrix) - U. Complutense de Madrid - Filología Inglesa Web personal http://www.bigfoot.com/~barbwired/ Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 (Kernel 2.2.11) on a Dell Laptop
Re: Make xconfig
RESET decía: [EMAIL PROTECTED] decía: Barbwired:: Intento hacer un make xconfig, que nunca me ha dado Barbwired:: problemas, y me dice: Barbwired:: make: wish: Command not found Barbwired:: make: *** [xconfig] Error 127 La manera más fácil es: [- p0 -] % dpkg -S wish picon-news: /usr/lib/picon/news/soc/culture/jewish/unknown tk4.2: /usr/bin/wish4.2 picon-news: /usr/lib/picon/news/soc/culture/jewish/unknown/face.xbm uudeview: /usr/bin/uuwish tclx76: /usr/bin/wishx7.6 picon-news: /usr/lib/picon/news/soc/culture/jewish/unknown/face.xpm tk8.0: /usr/man/man1/wish8.0.1.gz picon-news: /usr/lib/picon/news/soc/culture/jewish tk4.2: /usr/man/man1/wish4.2.1.gz afterstep: /usr/share/afterstep/feels/feel.Windowish itcl3.0: /usr/man/man1/itkwish3.0.1.gz itcl3.0: /usr/bin/itkwish3.0 picon-news: /usr/lib/picon/news/soc/culture/jewish/unknown/face.gif tk8.0: /usr/bin/wish8.0 [- p0 -] % which wish [- p0 -] % ls -l /etc/alternatives/wish lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 8 12:33 /etc/alternatives/wish - /usr/bin/wish8.0* Perdonad que retome el thread tan tarde, pero sigo sin arreglar esto. ~-barbwired dpkg -S wish tk8.0: /usr/man/man1/wish8.0.1.gz tk8.0: /usr/bin/wish8.0 ~-barbwired which wish ~-barbwired ls -l /etc/alternatives/wish lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 dic /etc/alternatives/wish - /usr/bin/wishstep4.2 Esta claro que me faltan cosas y sigo sin saber dónde ni cuales. ¿Una ayudita? -- Mind-affecting chemicals are tools like any other. At the right time, in the right place, they can be very useful. For the effect of psychedelics on the development community, well, there's Enlightenment, isn't there? Barbwired (The Translatrix) - U. Complutense de Madrid - Filología Inglesa Web personal http://www.bigfoot.com/~barbwired/ Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 (Kernel 2.2.11) on a Dell Laptop
Re: Procmail y mi torpeza
Hola Santiago Vila decía: A ver, en cuestión de listas de correo yo llamo mensajes originales a aquellos que provienen de la lista, y las copias personales que a veces me envían con Cc: (que normalmente agradezco) las acabo borrando al final, porque sé que ya están en la lista (aunque las de la lista tarden más en llegar). Hay gustos para todo, pero si diera la casualidad de que es esto lo que quieres hacer, te recomendaría que no usaras la expresión ^TO sino alguno de los campos que tienen los mensajes que provienen de la lista y que no tienen los mensajes que no provienen de la lista. Realmente no era esto lo que quería hacer, pero tu consejo me ha venido de perlillas. Realmete útil, pues los personales se quedan en /var/spool/mail/* y los de la lista van a su carpeta. Bueno, no sé si te valdrá de algo todo esto, la verdad es que eso del formail -D no lo he probado casi nunca. Tengo una carpeta con cada mensaje duplicado unas 10 o 13 veces (53MB). Lo que quiero es que sólo quede una copia de cada uno en la nueva carpeta. ¿Alguna sugerencia? -- Mind-affecting chemicals are tools like any other. At the right time, in the right place, they can be very useful. For the effect of psychedelics on the development community, well, there's Enlightenment, isn't there? Barbwired (The Translatrix) - U. Complutense de Madrid - Filología Inglesa Web personal http://www.bigfoot.com/~barbwired/ Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 (Kernel 2.2.11) on a Dell Laptop
Re: Ni idea de cómo empezar
Barbwired decía: Lo primero, ten cuidado al responder a los mensajes de la lista, porque me temo que éste sólo me ha llegado a mí :) Mil perdones, no tuve en cuenta que la copia de cortesía llega antes que el mensaje a la lista. De nuevo perdón. -- Mind-affecting chemicals are tools like any other. At the right time, in the right place, they can be very useful. For the effect of psychedelics on the development community, well, there's Enlightenment, isn't there? Barbwired (The Translatrix) - U. Complutense de Madrid - Filología Inglesa Web personal http://www.bigfoot.com/~barbwired/ Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 (Kernel 2.2.11) on a Dell Laptop
RE: Make xconfig
-Mensaje original- De: Barbwired [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: miércoles 15 de septiembre de 1999 2:32 Para: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Asunto: Re: Make xconfig [Problemas con tcl/tk] Perdonad que retome el thread tan tarde, pero sigo sin arreglar esto. ~-barbwired dpkg -S wish tk8.0: /usr/man/man1/wish8.0.1.gz tk8.0: /usr/bin/wish8.0 ~-barbwired which wish ~-barbwired ls -l /etc/alternatives/wish lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 dic /etc/alternatives/wish - /usr/bin/wishstep4.2 Esta claro que me faltan cosas y sigo sin saber dónde ni cuales. ¿Una ayudita? 1) ¿Tienes /etc/altenatives en el path? 2) No tengo a mano mi linuxcete, pero creo que el ejecutable del wish es /usr/bin/wish8.0 y no /usr/bin/wishstep4.2 :-?, igual tienes una versión rara :-? Solución, aunque sólo sea para probar, haz un ln -s /usr/bin/wish8.0 /usr/bin/wish Y mira a ver si funciona Barbwired (The Translatrix) - U. Complutense de Madrid - Filología Inglesa Web personal http://www.bigfoot.com/~barbwired/ Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 (Kernel 2.2.11) on a Dell Laptop Antonio Tejada Lacaci [EMAIL PROTECTED] Depto. Análisis y Programación Banca March S.A.
Necesito el source de GDB
Hola. Para compilar un programa (el RHIDE, en concreto), necesito el código fuente del GNU DEBUGGER 4.16 o GDB (supongo que una versión mejor también vale) Lo he buscado por los paquetes de la slink y no encuentro nada. ¿Ha cambiado de nombre? Porque con la Debian 1.3 me compilaba todo sin problemas, y ahora estoy teniendo que hacer muchos cambios porque falta esto, falta aquello, etc. En concreto, uno de los cambios que he tenido que hacer es ir modificando todos los makefiles uno a uno y cambiar el compilador de gcc a egcc porque por alguna razón no encontraba las bibliotecas de c++, a pesar de tenerlas instaladas, o me decía que no aceptaba ciertos parámetros :-? Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gogosoftware - http://welcome.to/gogosoftware/ WinError 032: Multitasking attempted: system confused.
Escribir libros con software libre
Hola a todos, Necesito escribir documentación técnica, parecido a como se hace con linuxdoc en sgml, pero también necesito incluir imágenes (en concreto, pantallas de ejecución), tablas i todos los elementos que se suelen incluir en los manuales que nos encontramos por ahí. Realmente el formato que quiero es de un libro, ya que es para escribir un proyecto y manuales grandes. Me contaron que podría utilizar DocBook DTD, por tanto empece a buscar y encontre las nuevas sgmltools 2.0.2, proyecto que por cierto está paradito :-(( (quiero utilizar software libre, por supuesto ;-) ), las cuales procedí a bajar y parece que funcionan, aunque no he podido obtener nada todavía imprimible, ni se muy bien como utilizar correctamente. La verdad es que voy bastante perdido, ya que no he podido comprobar, y todos los ejemplos que hay no me lo demuestran, que se pueden incluir imágenes utilizando este DTD. Además insisto que todavía no he podido hacer nada imprimible, ni tampoco si, después de que se pudiera hacer algo con Docbook con imágenes, si la transformación a html sería sencilla. Si que he conseguido más o menos ejemplos (Gnome-es, kde, freebsd están surtidos), pero insisto que no he visto ejemplos con imágenes. Igual es que me estoy equivocando de herramienta y debería de utilizar Latex, Tex, LyX (esto si que me rula XDD ) , no se... Espero que alguien me oriente, aunque a una mala siempre puedo utilizar LyX, que por otra parte va bien, aunque alguien me dijo que el código SGML que genera no parace demasiado bueno (manias?). Supongo que para documentos grandes (más de 200 páginas) LyX rula bien, no?, a ver si me pongo y luego..., pero insisto que me gustaria hacerlo en DocBook, o por lo menos conocer que narices se puede llegar a hacer, ya que los proyectos más punteros de ahora, parece que utilizan este DTD. Saludos y gracias a todos de antemanao!!! Luis M. Fuertes de la Cruz ICQ: 47565819 (Si quieres hablar ahora ;-) ) PGP ID: 0x58773A19 Fingerprint: 88C5 6A27 9C0F 0053 A364 E157 578E 81AF mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Se sabe algo de la Potato?
RESET escribió: : En el artículo [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. Carlos Muro [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: [...ver mensajes anteriores...] Esta es una de las eternas discusiones de Debian. En mi opinión, aunque es cierto que otras distribuciones RedHat en particular, tienen el aliciente de versiones más rápidas y actualizadas, no compensa trabajar así. Si sigues los grupos de linux te habrás dado cuenta de que en cuanto una revista saca la última RH todo se llena de quejas y preguntas de gente que no puede configurar, a la que no le funciona una cosa o la otra o la de más allá. En teoría queda bien lo de decir: `necesito el último paquete, me instalo RH'. en la práctica, te puede pasar que instales RH y no sólo no funcione ese paquete, sino que muchos otros fallen también (por ejemplo, con el cambio a libc6). ¡Cierto! Esta respuesta ya me convence más ;-) Opino igual, y ahora lo veo más claro. ¡Vivan la seriedad y el orden sobre la prisa y el caos! Date cuenta de lo que le estamos pidiendo a Linux y sus programadores: no solamente buenos programas, sino actualizaciones prácticamente semanales que incluyan nuevas características y demás. Potato cambia _cada día_. El resto del mundo (alias Windows) ni siquiera sueña con semejante posibilidad. No creo que haya modo de que un programador pueda mantener su trabajo con las versiones nuevas y al mismo tiempo una algo antigua no-estable-ni-inestable (corrigiendo los bugs de que se le informe pero sin introducir características nuevas que puedan tener nuevos errores) y al mismo tiempo con la estable. Por otro lado, ten en cuenta que un informe de bugs en una versión antigua es totalmente inútil. Bueno, todo esto también es cierto, o al menos así me lo parece ;-) Dile a M$ que has encontrado un fallo en tal sitio, y que si por favor lo pueden arreglar; verás. En cambio yo he mandado bug reports a programadores de Linux y me han contestado incluso dándome las gracias, diciéndome que ya estaba solucionado el bug, y que podía recoger la nueva versión sin el bug en 'tal' dirección. Eso ... vale mucho :) En cuanto a lo que comentas de las revistas, ahí la culpa no es de Debian, sino de las revistas y distribuidores (o del público, que no compra lo suficiente ;-) Si te pasas por la página de distribuidores del sitio web, verás que hay bastantes que venden CDs de la inestable. También es cierto. Un saludo. A tí y la lista. Y de paso pedir disculpas si he levantado cierto revuelo. Bueno, pienso que esta lista está para debatir este tipo de asuntos. Al fin y al cabo, si Debian es libre, pues libres somos de opinar, digo yo. Así que opiniones han sido dadas, y no la toméis unos con otros por estas cosas, ¿vale? ;-) En cualquier caso, apuesto por Debian más que nunca, porque actualmente ES una distribución moderna, y estoy seguro de que en cuanto se publique Potato, será la mejor distribución de Linux con creces. Hasta pronto: Juan Carlos Muro
RE: Make xconfig
2) No tengo a mano mi linuxcete, pero creo que el ejecutable del wish es /usr/bin/wish8.0 y no /usr/bin/wishstep4.2 :-?, igual tienes una versión rara :-? Este wish es uno con el look-feel del NextStep, la incongruencia que veo (seguro que a lo mejor me equivoco, no tengo mi linux delante), es que uno es de la 8.0 y el otro de la 4.2... Have a nice day ;-) TooManySecrets
Re: Make xconfig
Tejada Lacaci, Antonio decía: 1) ¿Tienes /etc/altenatives en el path? No lo tenía, lo he puesto y nada. 2) No tengo a mano mi linuxcete, pero creo que el ejecutable del wish es /usr/bin/wish8.0 y no /usr/bin/wishstep4.2 :-?, igual tienes una versión rara :-? Jeje, ya está. /usr/bin/wishstep4.2 no existía, he arreglado el link y todo va como la seda. ¿Qué haría el link ése ahí? Ahora apunta a /usr/bin/wish8.0 Muchas gracias por la paciencia :-) -- When you're root, the kernel will not protect you from yourself. Barbwired (The Translatrix) - U. Complutense de Madrid - Filología Inglesa Web personal http://www.bigfoot.com/~barbwired/ Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 (Kernel 2.2.11) on a Dell Laptop
Re: Leafnode-1.9.4 y libc6 (= 2.1)
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Barbwired wrote: Estoy usando Slink y necesito actualizarme a la última versión de leafnode, por un problema muy molesto que tiene (cuando una línea de un post comienza por un punto la omite directamente). [corte] Jeee... pues yo no sé como se hace eso que pides. Sin embargo, yo también requería los servicios del Leafnode en slink, y lo encontré sacado de la potato y compilado para slink en http://members.xoom.com/rvmsoft/linux/ ya puesto en paquetitos .deb. Una gozada. Ojo, yo tuve que instalar todos, excepto los opcionales que ponía ahí, y ahora me funciona. También tengo slink/libc6, así que supongo que podría funcionarte. Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gogosoftware - http://welcome.to/gogosoftware/ Now I'm free. I can do whatever I want - Me, LiNUX user.
DWN 33 y 34
Han aparecido hace un poco en el sitio de Debian las noticias semanales de Debian en español correspondientes al [1]29 de agosto y al [2]7 de septiembre. Incluyo ambos en ASCCI más abajo. Algunas cosas interesantes... * Se mantiene por ahora la fecha para la congelación de potato (Debian 2.2), el primero de noviembre. * Problemas con bind (servidor de DNS). Al incluirle código de seguridad, deja de ser libre. Se están discutiendo opciones (hacer un corte libre de bind, usar DENTS, etc) * Se está iniciando la transición a GPG 1.0 para todo lo relacioando con cifrado en el proyecto Debian. * Anuncios varios de seguridad (actualización de varios paquetes) * Alguna gente está preocupada por el desarrollo del proyecto. Se está hablando de esto mucho últimamente. Como siempre, podéis comentarlas en [3] References 1. http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/1999/33/index.es.html 2. http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/1999/34/index.es.html 3. http://barrapunto.com/ - Debian Weekly News - 7 de septiembre de 1999 Bienvenidos al ejemplar número 33 de las Noticias Semanales sobre Debian (traducción al español de Debian Weekly News), un boletín para la comunidad de desarrolladores Debian. El comité técnico ha [8]hablado: /usr/doc/package se proporcionará como un enlace simbólico en los paquetes que cumplan con el FHS.. Esto ha provocado una avalancha de paquetes puestos al día, que cumplem el FHS. Para detalles sobre la implementación, véase [9]este mensaje (debhelper gestionará la mayor parte de esto de forma automática). La última versión de bind contiene código de cifrado que no es libre sgún la DFSG. Por lo tanto el servidor de DNS, un componente principal de Debian, o de cualquier sistema Unix, se ha convertido en no libre (una situación muy mala). Parece que, bien quitando este código, o bien manteniendo el viejo, hacer versiones libres de bind sería [10]muy difícil. Una alternativa que se está considerando es usar el nuevo servidor de DNS dents. Quizás el mayor problema con dents es que no es BIND, y no se confía tanto en él como en el servidor clásico de DNS. Observatorio de la congelación: La congelación está a sólo 7 semanas, si nos atenemos a la planificación. Chris Lawrence ha puesto una [11]bonita lista de cosas que tendríamos que tener hechas para la liberación, y cuánto de cerca estamos de conseguirlas. Una vez que GPG 1.0 ha sido liberado, mucha gente se va a pasar probablemente a GPG muy pronto. Afortunadamente, parece que ha sido [12]posible durante ya algún tiempo firmar paquetes con GPG y subirlos a Debian, aunque poca gente lo ha hecho hasta ahora. ¿Qué hacen los desarrolladores de Debian cuando no están trabajando en Debian? Muchos de ellos escriben software para Linux en general, o son los mantenedores corriente arriba de software ya existente. Martin Schulze ha tenido la [13]idea de que sería una buena cosa tener una lista de ese trabajo, y rápidamente han sido encontrados [14]123 de estos paquetes, incluyendo software tan importante como ld.so, stracce, sysklogd, sysvinit, watchdog, y wvdial. Recientemente ha habido algo de confusión sobre el propósito de security.debian.org. Originalmente, [15]estaba orientada a ser una forma de que el equipo de seguridad sacase rápidamente paquetes actualizados sin esperar por los espejos. ¡Pero ahora la gente quiere hacer espejos de ella!. También hay algún desacuerdo sobre durante cuánto tiempo deberían mantenerse los paquetes en security.debian.org después de que se han incluido adecuadamente en la distribución. Como es habitual, están disponibles [16]las noticias de Debian-JP de esta semana. Gracias a Randolph Chung y Katsura S. Yoshio por [17]contribuir. _ Para recibir este boletín semanalmente en tu buzón, [18]suscríbete a la lista de correo debian-news. Puedes conseguir [19]ejemplares anteriores de este boletín. Debian Weekly News es editada por [20]Joey Hess. _ Esta página también está disponible en los siguientes idiomas: [21]Inglés [22]Sueco [23]Como modificar el idioma por defecto de los documentos _ Ultima modificación: Mar, Sep 14 16:42:58 UTC 1999 Copyright © 1997-1999 [24]SPI; Ver [25]los términos de la licencia References 8. http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-ctte-9909/msg00023.html 9. http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-ctte-9908/msg00038.html 10.
Re: Escribir libros con software libre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hola a todos, Necesito escribir documentación técnica, parecido a como se hace con linuxdoc en sgml, pero también necesito incluir imágenes (en concreto, pantallas de ejecución), tablas i todos los elementos que se suelen incluir en los manuales que nos encontramos por ahí. Realmente el formato que quiero es de un libro, ya que es para escribir un proyecto y manuales grandes. Si lo que quieres es escribir un libro creo que lo mejor sera que uses latex (sin lyx). Permite organizar muy bien la estructura de libro y no hay ningun problema en incluir imagenes (en formato eps). Hasta mas bits, P.D. No crees que te has pasado un poco con el crossposting? Hacer esta pregunta en 6 listas diferentes es un poco exagerado. Hubiera bastado con una lista sobre linux en general o en news:///es.comp.os.linux.misc -- --- Jose Luis Trivintilde;o Rodriguez http://alcor.lcc.uma.es/~trivino Usuario registrado de linux nº 53043 --- La medida de programar es programar sin medida
RE: Escribir libros con software libre
P.D. No crees que te has pasado un poco con el crossposting? Hacer esta pregunta en 6 listas diferentes es un poco exagerado. Hubiera bastado con una lista sobre linux en general o en news:///es.comp.os.linux.misc Me he pasado y desde aquí pido disculpas LO SIENTO Luis M. Fuertes de la Cruz PGP ID: 0x58773A19 Fingerprint: 88C5 6A27 9C0F 0053 A364 E157 578E 81AF mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Make xconfig
Barbwired wrote: Tejada Lacaci, Antonio decía: 1) ¿Tienes /etc/altenatives en el path? No lo tenía, lo he puesto y nada. 2) No tengo a mano mi linuxcete, pero creo que el ejecutable del wish es /usr/bin/wish8.0 y no /usr/bin/wishstep4.2 :-?, igual tienes una versión rara :-? Jeje, ya está. /usr/bin/wishstep4.2 no existía, he arreglado el link y todo va como la seda. ¿Qué haría el link ése ahí? Ahora apunta a /usr/bin/wish8.0 Muchas gracias por la paciencia :-) ... Todo esto tiene que ver con el sistema de 'alternatives' de Debian, se que existe pero todavía no termino de entenderlo. Estuve leyendo la man page de update-alternatives y es bastante esclarecedora. Entre otras cosas: - No hay que poner /etc/alternatives en el path. La idea es que /usr/bin/wish sea un link simbólico a /etc/alternatives/wish que a su vez es otro link simbólico a la alternativa que elija el administrador. De esta manera las acciones del administrador quedan limitadas a modificar un directorio que cuelga de /etc. - En /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives está la información de las alternativas para cada comando generico. - Con update-alternatives se pueden crear grupos de alternativas, crear o eliminar alternativas para grupos existentes o pasar un grupo de alternativas a modo automático, con lo cual se seleccionará automáticamente la alternativa de mayor prioridad. Ahora lo que me falta entender: - Como se pasa a modo manual ? - Cuál sería la forma correcta de que el administrador manifieste su preferencia por una alternativa: a) Dejando las alternativas en modo automático y modificando su prioridad. b) Pasándola a modo manual y tocando el symlink de /etc/alternatives ? A mí se me ocurriría ir y editar los archivos de /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives pero parece un poco peligroso. -- Saludos, O__ Enzo.,/ ()=\() Enzo A. Dari | Instituto Balseiro / Centro Atomico Bariloche 8400-San Carlos de Bariloche, Argentina | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 54-2944-445208, 54-2944-445100 Fax: 54-2944-445299 Web page: http://cabmec1.cnea.gov.ar/darie/darie.htm
Re: Porque veo Mc en B/N en la Xterm?
Xose Manoel Ramos wrote: El Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 01:10:44PM +0200, Cosme Perea Cuevas contaba: cuando lanza el `mc' en una Xterm aparece en banco y negro, no con el típico fondo azul y letras amarillas. ¿Por qué? La `xterm' en Debian se llama `xterm-debian' y el MC parece que no se entera que es una terminal en color. Lo bueno es que se lo puedes decir... O con la variable: export COLORTERMINAL=xterm-debian O si no lo pones en la configuración del MC: /etc/mc.ini: color_terminals=xterm-debian, xterm, xterm-xfree86, rxvt, linux ... Traté de poner en práctica lo anterior y no tuve éxito, así que fui a la man-page del mc (último recurso cuando nada funciona :). - En realidad la variable a setear es COLORTERM en lugar de COLORTERMINAL: $ export COLORTERMINAL=xterm-debian - El otro método también anda, pero hay que aclarar que esa línea debe estar en la sección Colors del mc.ini, y que (al menos con mi mc Versión 4.5.1-1.1) el mc.ini está en /etc/mc/mc.ini: /etc/mc/mc.ini: [Colors] color_terminals=xterm-debian, xterm, xterm-xfree86, rxvt, linux Con este método tengo otro problema: anda cuando no tengo creado el ~/.mc/ini Cuando el archivo existe toma precedencia sobre el del sistema... Y cuando no existe se crea automáticamente ! ... sin incluir las líneas referidas a las color_terminals. Recomendación: agregar ese par de líneas, pero en el archivo: ~/.mc/ini -- Saludos, O__ Enzo.,/ ()=\() Enzo A. Dari | Instituto Balseiro / Centro Atomico Bariloche 8400-San Carlos de Bariloche, Argentina | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 54-2944-445208, 54-2944-445100 Fax: 54-2944-445299 Web page: http://cabmec1.cnea.gov.ar/darie/darie.htm
Re: Leafnode-1.9.4 y libc6 (= 2.1)
El miércoles 15 de septiembre de 1999 a la(s) 02:20:14 +0200, Barbwired contaba: Como la versión de Potato me pide libc6 (= 2.1) y ya me cargué mi sistema una vez por actualizarla con faldas y a lo loco, estoy intentando solucionarlo de forma creativa. Y cuando vosotros tenéis que hacer estas cosillas, ¿metéis tanto la pata o es inherente a los filólogos? Más bien lo segundo ;^). Yo tengo aquí una Slink con glibc 2.1 de potato (quizá ya haya una versión más nueva), y todo sigue bien. E, ahora que lo pienso, ldconfig me da errorcillos... 15 libs que no aparecen... pero todo funciona... Fdo: Amaia, compuesta y sin news, pero con ganas de trastear de lo lindo :) ¿Quieres trastear? jeje, creo que tengo por aquí el juguetito perfecto: ROCK-Linux. Es una distribución (que nadie me mate!!) sin gestor de paquetes ni nada. La he bajado y tostado en un CD. Quien quiera se la mando jeje. -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Registered User no. 87069 http://come.to/Hue-Bond.worldIn love with TuX - Linux 2.2.12 PGP Public key at http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fserrano/pgp_pubkey.asc
[iso8859-1] Encuentro Linuxero en Arroutada Party VII - A[iso8859-1] coruña (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:20:49 +0200 (MEST) From: Juan Ignacio Llona [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [iso8859-1] Encuentro Linuxero en Arroutada Party VII - A[iso8859-1] coruña (fwd) Hola a todos! Para quien pueda interesar... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:23:52 + (GMT) From: Simon Neira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [iso8859-1] Encuentro Linuxero en Arroutada Party VII - A[iso8859-1] coruña Hola, Los días 9, 10 y 11 de Octubre se va a celebrar en A Coruña la Arroutada Party. En esta party, buscamos la calidad en vez de la cantidad, así primero nos estamos poniendo en contacto con la gente que nos interesa que vaya, para evitar que la party se llene de gente que sólo va a jugar o a pasarse warez (como pasa en las últimas grandes partys de España). A ella asistirá lo mejor de la demoescena Española y del mundo del MSX. Pretendemos que sea también un punto de encuentro de la gente del entorno del mundo del Linux. Así, GPUL (Grupo de usuarios y programadores de Linux de A Coruña / A Coruña Linux User Group) va ha organizar varios concursos relacionados con Linux como: -Scripting en Bash. -Demos bajo Linux. -RealTimeBattle. Pretendemos que venga la mayor cantidad posible de gente de LUGs de España e incluso lo intentamos con algún que otro LUG de Portugal con que GPUL tiene relaciones. Además es posible que venga un viejo conocido de GPUL desde Holanda (Rik Van Riel) quien lleva el tema de parte de la gestión de memoria del kernel. Pues eso, a ver si podéis forwardear este email a las listas de correo de vuestros respectivos LUGs, por si hay alguien que se anime a venir. Para la gente que venga del País Vasco, pueden ponerse en contacto con el grupo Genesis, quienes han organizado un autobús para traer a la gente de aquella zona. La entrada está tirada de precio. a diferencia de las burradas de otras partys, esta sale por sólo 1000 pelillas por los 3 días de duración (incluida chocolatada). Recomendamos que reservéis, para aseguraros una plaza en la zona dedicada a los Linuxeros. (Decir que queréis ir a la zona Linux en el mail que hagáis de reserva) === o ___ ___ ___ __ ___ ___ ___ o / _ | / _ \/ _ \/ __ \/ / / /_ __/ _ | / _ \/ _ | / __ |/ , _/ , _/ /_/ / /_/ / / / / __ |/ // / __ | /_/.|_/_/|_/_/|_|\/\/ /_/ /_/ |_//_/.|_| Mc_Tr_ _ del - 9 - al - 11 - ._ _..__|_/ \ / \ de Octubre de .-1999-. |_)(_|| |_\/ ( 9 | 9 ) o en | A Coruña | | / \_/ \_/ o 7 7 777 777 777 777 777 1999 La Party de las diferentes escenas informáticas DEMOSCENE GFX2D GFX3D MODULOS LINUX INTERNET FIDONET BBS PACKET AMIGA PC MSX ATARI MAC C64 CONSOLAS HACKING PHREAKING CRACKING VIRUS REDES CACHARREO JUEGOS DOC Oficial v7.8b * - 9, 10 y 11 de Octubre - * * - Fórum Metropolitano - A CORUÑA www.la-red.com/arroutada Organiza: Asociación da Mocidade Informática Galega de A Coruña A.M.I.G.A. Colaboran: Ayuntamiento de A Coruña. Grupo de programadores y usuarios de Linux. NeoRage. 1. Lugar de la party (Dónde y Cuándo) - La séptima edición de la Arroutada party tendrá lugar en el Fórum Metropolitano de A Coruña, bajo el Parque Europa, cerca de El Corte Inglés y el centro comercial Cuatro Caminos. Comenzará a las 10 horas de la mañana del día 9 de octubre (sábado) para terminar el día 11 de octubre a las 17:30 de la tarde (lunes festivo/puente). El recinto permanecerá abierto las 24 horas del día, pero sólo para la gente que lleve la identificación aportada por la
Caracter `
¿Cómo puedo conseguir que salga el caracter ` en los ficheros editados con joe? Muchas gracias.
dudas con rsync
Estoy bajandome imagenes de CDs de Debian y estoy usando rsync por aquello de que Debian lo recomienda. Confieso que no lo conocía y me parece una maravilla aunque la verdad para bajar Cds creo que puede usarse muchas cosas y lo único importante es poder continuar bajando un fichero que se quedó a la mitad. La habilidad de rsync para bajar solo las diferencias no me parece importante en este caso. Además observo que rsync no escribe el fichero hasta el final y por ello no comprendo muy bien porque se recomienda usar rsync en lugar de ftp, wget, o mirror por ejemplo. Debe haber cosas que se me escapan. +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ /\ /\ Ciberdroide Informatica (tienda linux) \\W// http://www.ciberdroide.com _|0 0|_ +-oOOO--(___o___)--OOOo--+ | . . . . U U . . . . Antonio Castro Snurmacher | | http://slug.ctv.es/~acastro.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | +()()()--()()()--+ +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ (((Donde Linux)))http://www.ciberdroide.com/misc/donde/dondelinux.html +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
SIOCADDRT
Hola a todos: Estoy recién incorporado a la lista. Creo ser un principiante veterano (empecé con la Debian 1.3.1) y, aunque no muy experto, me defiendo. Hace poco he instalado la slink 2.1 Citius que regalaba la revista Linux actual, sin apenas problemas salvo los ya comentados en la lista sobre KDE y alguna de sus aplicaciones, ¡bien! He compilado el kernel 2.2.4 para soporte de la tarjeta de sonido etc. Desde entonces me aparece en los mensajes de arranque, después del fsck esto: ... Mounting local file system... not mounted anything SIOCADDRT: invalid argument SIOCADDRT: invalid argument. Local time... ... Mi PC tiene AMD K6-2 a 350, 64M, tarjetas: vídeo, sonido, red y modem interno. ¿Podríais decirme qué es eso de SIOCADDRT: invalid argument? ¿He añadido algo mal al kernel? No he notado fallos en los programas. Muchas gracias de antemano. Saludos para todos. Joaquín.
SIOCADDRT
Hola a todos: Estoy recién incorporado a la lista. Creo ser un principiante veterano (empecé con la Debian 1.3.1) y, aunque no muy experto, me defiendo. Hace poco he instalado la slink 2.1 Citius que regalaba la revista Linux actual, sin apenas problemas salvo los ya comentados en la lista sobre KDE y alguna de sus aplicaciones, ¡bien! He compilado el kernel 2.2.4 para soporte de la tarjeta de sonido etc. Desde entonces me aparece en los mensajes de arranque, después del fsck esto: ... Mounting local file system... not mounted anything SIOCADDRT: invalid argument SIOCADDRT: invalid argument. Local time... ... Mi PC tiene AMD K6-2 a 350, 64M, tarjetas: vídeo, sonido, red y modem interno. ¿Podríais decirme qué es eso de SIOCADDRT: invalid argument? ¿He añadido algo mal al kernel? No he notado fallos en los programas. Muchas gracias de antemano. Saludos para todos. Joaquín.
Re: SIOCADDRT
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:38:07PM +0200, Joaquín García wrote: Hola a todos: [...] He compilado el kernel 2.2.4 para soporte de la tarjeta de sonido etc. Desde entonces me aparece en los mensajes de arranque, después del fsck esto: ... Mounting local file system... not mounted anything SIOCADDRT: invalid argument SIOCADDRT: invalid argument. Local time... [...] El archivo /etc/init.d/network tiene la culpa. Comenta la(s) línea(s) que lleven el comando route add -net Por lo que tengo entendido, la serie de kernels 2.2.x añaden automáticamente la ruta. Por otro lado, yo me tiré mucho tiempo antes de corregirlo y no parece que cause ningún problema. Saludos Luis
Re: SIOCADDRT
Hola, On mié, 15 sep 1999 22:23:02 Joaquín García wrote: Hola a todos: Estoy recién incorporado a la lista. Creo ser un principiante veterano (empecé con la Debian 1.3.1) y, aunque no muy experto, me defiendo. Hace poco he instalado la slink 2.1 Citius que regalaba la revista Linux actual, sin apenas problemas salvo los ya comentados en la lista sobre KDE y alguna de sus aplicaciones, ¡bien! He compilado el kernel 2.2.4 para soporte de la tarjeta de sonido etc. Desde entonces me aparece en los mensajes de arranque, después del fsck esto: ... Mounting local file system... not mounted anything SIOCADDRT: invalid argument SIOCADDRT: invalid argument. Local time... ... Mi PC tiene AMD K6-2 a 350, 64M, tarjetas: vídeo, sonido, red y modem interno. ¿Podríais decirme qué es eso de SIOCADDRT: invalid argument? ¿He añadido algo mal al kernel? Para evitar ese mensaje tienes que eliminar en el fichero /etc/init.d/network la línea route add -net 127.0.0.0, que sólo es válida para kernels anteriores a los 2.2.x. Un saludo, JonN
Re: SIOCADDRT
Jon Noble wrote: Hola, On mié, 15 sep 1999 22:23:02 Joaquín García wrote: Hola a todos: Estoy recién incorporado a la lista. Creo ser un principiante veterano (empecé con la Debian 1.3.1) y, aunque no muy experto, me defiendo. Hace poco he instalado la slink 2.1 Citius que regalaba la revista Linux actual, sin apenas problemas salvo los ya comentados en la lista sobre KDE y alguna de sus aplicaciones, ¡bien! He compilado el kernel 2.2.4 para soporte de la tarjeta de sonido etc. Desde entonces me aparece en los mensajes de arranque, después del fsck esto: ... Mounting local file system... not mounted anything SIOCADDRT: invalid argument SIOCADDRT: invalid argument. Local time... ... Mi PC tiene AMD K6-2 a 350, 64M, tarjetas: vídeo, sonido, red y modem interno. ¿Podríais decirme qué es eso de SIOCADDRT: invalid argument? ¿He añadido algo mal al kernel? Para evitar ese mensaje tienes que eliminar en el fichero /etc/init.d/network la línea route add -net 127.0.0.0, que sólo es válida para kernels anteriores a los 2.2.x. Un saludo, JonN -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Muchas gracias por tu rápida respuesta. Un cordial saludo. Joaquín
Re: SIOCADDRT
El mié, sep 15, 1999 at 10:23:02 +0200 Joaquín García va dir: Hola a todos: Estoy recién incorporado a la lista. hola y bienvenido He compilado el kernel 2.2.4 para soporte de la tarjeta de sonido etc. Desde entonces me aparece en los mensajes de arranque, después del fsck esto: ... Mounting local file system... not mounted anything SIOCADDRT: invalid argument SIOCADDRT: invalid argument. Local time... ... ¿Podríais decirme qué es eso de SIOCADDRT: invalid argument? ¿He añadido algo mal al kernel? puede que sea que en el arranque se invoque al comando route, que con los kernels 2.2.* ya no hace falta. Mira en /etc/init.d/network y si hay una línea route add -net 127.0.0.0 coméntala un saludo, miquel -- __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ / / / // |/ // / / / \ \/ /cooperación contra mando / /_ / // /| // /_/ / \ /www.sindominio.net /___//_//_/ |_/ \// \ (Powered by Debian GNU/LiNuX potato) /_/\_\ Public-GnuPG-keyID 0xA2B68952 pgp75jcuJHTIj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Porque veo Mc en B/N en la Xterm?
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Enzo A. Dari wrote: Con este método tengo otro problema: anda cuando no tengo creado el ~/.mc/ini Cuando el archivo existe toma precedencia sobre el del sistema... Y cuando no existe se crea automáticamente ! ... sin incluir las líneas referidas a las color_terminals. Recomendación: agregar ese par de líneas, pero en el archivo: ~/.mc/ini Muchas gracias. Yo también había probado este método de lanzar mc sobre xterm y me estaba volviendo loco buscando dónde estaba el fallo, porque evidentemente no funcionaba. 'tapronto Iñaki Llona e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://web.jet.es/jillona/ 'Grupo de LinUxuarios de Bizkaia' Clave pública PGP: mandame un mensaje con Subject: Clave publica.
Re: Escribir libros con software libre
Hola, veo que te lo has currado un monton. No soy especialista en sgml pero creo que deberías tener en cuenta algunas cosas: - El libro gtk+ y gnome aplication develoment (creo que es asi esta en docbook. La version en html esta online en http://developers.gnome.org/doc Ya te puedo confirmar que tiene imagenes y figuras. - Me parece que ahora Ismael Olea no lee esta lista, pero estoy casi seguro que es una de las personas que mas SGML sabe, apunta su direccion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ismael Olea es el responsable de Lucas, y aunque casi todos los documentos estan en linuxdoc, no creo que exista ninguna otra persona con más 'pasión' por el SGML en España. Espero que este correo te ayude. Saludos Juantomas Garcia At 10:57 AM 9/15/99 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hola a todos, Necesito escribir documentación técnica, parecido a como se hace con linuxdoc en sgml, pero también necesito incluir imágenes (en concreto, pantallas de ejecución), tablas i todos los elementos que se suelen incluir en los manuales que nos encontramos por ahí. Realmente el formato que quiero es de un libro, ya que es para escribir un proyecto y manuales grandes. Me contaron que podría utilizar DocBook DTD, por tanto empece a buscar y encontre las nuevas sgmltools 2.0.2, proyecto que por cierto está paradito :-(( (quiero utilizar software libre, por supuesto ;-) ), las cuales procedí a bajar y parece que funcionan, aunque no he podido obtener nada todavía imprimible, ni se muy bien como utilizar correctamente. La verdad es que voy bastante perdido, ya que no he podido comprobar, y todos los ejemplos que hay no me lo demuestran, que se pueden incluir imágenes utilizando este DTD. Además insisto que todavía no he podido hacer nada imprimible, ni tampoco si, después de que se pudiera hacer algo con Docbook con imágenes, si la transformación a html sería sencilla. Si que he conseguido más o menos ejemplos (Gnome-es, kde, freebsd están surtidos), pero insisto que no he visto ejemplos con imágenes. Igual es que me estoy equivocando de herramienta y debería de utilizar Latex, Tex, LyX (esto si que me rula XDD ) , no se... Espero que alguien me oriente, aunque a una mala siempre puedo utilizar LyX, que por otra parte va bien, aunque alguien me dijo que el código SGML que genera no parace demasiado bueno (manias?). Supongo que para documentos grandes (más de 200 páginas) LyX rula bien, no?, a ver si me pongo y luego..., pero insisto que me gustaria hacerlo en DocBook, o por lo menos conocer que narices se puede llegar a hacer, ya que los proyectos más punteros de ahora, parece que utilizan este DTD. Saludos y gracias a todos de antemanao!!! Luis M. Fuertes de la Cruz ICQ: 47565819 (Si quieres hablar ahora ;-) ) PGP ID: 0x58773A19 Fingerprint: 88C5 6A27 9C0F 0053 A364 E157 578E 81AF mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
dpkg-dev / dpkg broke?
I get this error on my potato i386: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.4.1.8_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/dpkg-buildpackage.1.gz', which is also in package dpkg-dev dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.4.1.8_i386.deb E: Sub-process returned an error code (1) There are still four packages left that it isn't upgrading, due to this error. I assume the maintainer will fix this thing soon enough, but is there any way to get to the other packages until then? :) -- Seth Arnold | http://www.willamette.edu/~sarnold/ Hate spam? See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for help Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
top missing too
Ok, top was in the unstable yesterday. Today it is not? I miss top. I liked top. It might not have been the best, nor the prettiest, but I liked it. Does anyone know more about it? :) -- Seth Arnold | http://www.willamette.edu/~sarnold/ Hate spam? See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for help Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
ftpd disabled after potato upgrade
I recently upgraded from slink to potato. At some point, my inetd.conf file got #off# prepended to the ftp line, disabling it. A comment at the top of inetd.conf says Lines starting with ... #off# should not be changed unless you know what you are doing! As I have apparently have no idea what I'm doing, I figured I'd ask here before uncommenting-out the line. What's the deal? - Kris
Re: dpkg-dev / dpkg broke?
Seth R Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SRA I get this error on my potato i386: SRA dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.4.1.8_i386.deb SRA (--unpack): SRA trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/dpkg-buildpackage.1.gz', which is SRA also in package dpkg-dev Among the packages APT didn't install is the new dpkg-dev; if you run 'apt-get install dpkg-dev' and then proceed with the upgrade it works fine. dpkg should probably Conflicts: with dpkg-dev (= 1.4.1.6). -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/ Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal. -- Abra Mitchell
Re: emacs or xemacs ?
Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote: Hi all, where can I found a document describing the differences between emacs and xemacs ? Thanks. Check the XEmacs web page: http://www.xemacs.org/ You might also look at the Emacs web pages: Official: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html Unofficial: http://www.emacs.org/ I honestly don't mean to start a holy war here, but I'd like to know: Is there anyone who prefers Emacs to XEmacs, and why? - Kris
Re: /var/log
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 09:46:28PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote: Hi all, is it a good idea to clean completly /var/log at every boot (or each week, etc) ? I'm a single user in my computer. nah, hold onto them. You can gzip them (the logrotate package does this automagically... :) if the size bothers you... Of course, there is nothing that says they *have* to be there -- but no one I know deletes them that often. :) -- Seth Arnold | http://www.willamette.edu/~sarnold/ Hate spam? See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for help Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
RE: top missing too
On 14-Sep-99 Seth R Arnold wrote: Ok, top was in the unstable yesterday. Today it is not? I miss top. I liked top. It might not have been the best, nor the prettiest, but I liked it. Does anyone know more about it? It is in procps -- has been for some time.
Re: ps, free. etc...
My potato has them -- try apt-get update; apt-get install procps On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 04:02:45PM -0500, Robert Rati wrote: I seem to have lost ps, free, uptime, etc when I upgraded to potato. Did these commands get moved out to aa separarte package or something? Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1999-00 | Aka Khyron the Backstabber | LI NN N U U X X O ICQ# 2325055| LI N NN U U X | LLL I N N UUU X X O Shackles cannot keep me bound | A REAL Man's OS! forever. I'm outta here. | -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Seth Arnold | http://www.willamette.edu/~sarnold/ Hate spam? See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for help Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Re: logging within shell scripts
That appears to be EXACTLY what I'm looking for... Thanx much! On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:41:10AM +0200, Quant-X UNIX and Linux Support wrote: Not sure if I understood your question. Anyway, if you want to redirect a particular file in a shell you don't have to know where it's been directed to at a certain point. For example, you can do something like this: exec 1log 2log.err ... do something (everything going to stdin is been redired to file log and stderr to log.err) ... exec 1log.a 2log.a.err ... I hope this helps.
amd and security
Hi all, some of the debian machines here have been broke into. The sysadm told me that amd is the culprit (I think amq). Have you heard anything about it? How can we secure them? Is the amd version into slink secure? thanks graziano
DnD file starter
I am looking for a program that will function something like a mac program I've seen: It has a folder with programs in it, at the bottom of the screen. When you pull a file over it, it opens up and you can drop it into one of the programs there for them to start with it. Does any program like this exist for linux? Also is here a file manager that works sort of like the mac's? (deferent windows, also exists under windows). Thanx [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DnD file starter
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:54:45AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: I am looking for a program that will function something like a mac program I've seen: It has a folder with programs in it, at the bottom of the screen. When you pull a file over it, it opens up and you can drop it into one of the programs there for them to start with it. Does any program like this exist for linux? Also is here a file manager that works sort of like the mac's? (deferent windows, also exists under windows). Micha, windowmaker's dock supports that. -- Seth Arnold | http://www.willamette.edu/~sarnold/ Hate spam? See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for help Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Re: eth0 to tr0... files/other stuff to change?
On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Installing a 2.2.9 kernel in place of 2.0.36 kills my network card and : connections, since the card is a token ring (Olicom). This card is ID'd as : eth0 under the old kernel, but the 2.2.x kernels use tr0. So the problem : doesn't surprise me. But I'd obviously like to get it working again. : : I'm guessing that I need to change all references to eth0 over to tr0 in : /etc. Is this correct, or are there other things which need to be done as : well? I figured that :grep -r eth0 /etc/* FilesToChange : would give me the target files. /etc/init.d/network should do it unless you've got a laptop. -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet 410 South Phillips Avenue Sioux Falls, SD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP Key: (0xA33B86E9)
Re: top missing too
Then why is it not on my system today, but yesterday it was? :) Since then, the only thing that I can account for it, is running apt-get update; apt-get upgrade (I run this pretty much every day, sometimes even twice... :) $ locate top | egrep top$ | grep -v desktop /usr/bin/cdstop /usr/bin/gtop /usr/bin/top /usr/bin/unicode_stop /usr/doc/gtop /usr/lib/menu/gtop [I have trimmed some out] $ ls -l /usr/bin/top ls: /usr/bin/top: No such file or directory This happened on my TWO machines -- one running IP masq, and hiding the other one. I lock my console, even when I leave for just a minute, and I pick some decent passwords. Both my computers hidden behind a firewall, so the outside world can't get in. That means if someone were to delete it, they would have to exploit a hole in one of: protfpd, ssh, ssh2, xntpd, distributed-net, telnet, or samba. I keep up on the patches -- at least once a day, sometimes twice a day. Based on root's ~/.bash_history, the only command that could possibly have removed it (my rm's are very well-aimed.. :) is: dpkg --purge kbd kbd-data I doubt it. :) All in all, I think procps dropped it in the last day, and I want others to confirm or deny it. :) If you apt-get update; apt-get upgrade today, will you have `top`? :) On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 04:35:23PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 14-Sep-99 Seth R Arnold wrote: Ok, top was in the unstable yesterday. Today it is not? I miss top. I liked top. It might not have been the best, nor the prettiest, but I liked it. Does anyone know more about it? It is in procps -- has been for some time. -- Seth Arnold | http://www.willamette.edu/~sarnold/ Hate spam? See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for help Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Re: top missing too
geisha [~] $ dpkg -S top|grep bin xpdf: /usr/bin/pdftops procps: /usr/bin/top snipped and yes, that command actually runs. I maintain a absolutely current potato box so I can compile packages.
Re: eth0 to tr0... files/other stuff to change?
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 07:05:25PM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Installing a 2.2.9 kernel in place of 2.0.36 kills my network card and : connections, since the card is a token ring (Olicom). This card is ID'd as : eth0 under the old kernel, but the 2.2.x kernels use tr0. So the problem [...] /etc/init.d/network should do it unless you've got a laptop. Running the grep expression I gave, along with an added -l option, gave /etc/dhclient-script /etc/dhcpc/config /etc/init.d/network /etc/init.d/inetd /etc/init.d/netbase.old /etc/ipx.conf /etc/ipx_ticks /etc/network/spoof-protect /etc/network/interfaces for results. Can I expect network to suffice (will it alter the settings for the others?)? Kenward
Re: top missing too
Ok, seems the new version of procps (which my mirror did not have) does indeed lack top. This fix is on its way to the maintainer. Sorry for the confusion.
Re: glimpseindex
On Mon, 1999-09-13 18:03:35 +0100, Martin Oldfield wrote: I thought I'd give glimpse a whirl to index a bunch of email archives, but I get a segmentation fault: % glimpseindex -o -B archive This is glimpseindex version 4.1, 1997. Indexing /home/mjo/adamsarch/archive ... Size of files being indexed = 172104723 B, Total #of files = 26801 Segmentation fault The BTS seems to have similar problems already e.g. bug 20037 but no obvious solution. I'm running version 4.1-2 which seems to be the most recent. Has anyone else been down this path before, and did they find a solution ? Cheers, -- Martin Oldfield, I had success with just `glimpseindex -o'. Caveats: 1) The working directory was ~/Mail. 2) Under that, there were a large number (~30) of subdirectories, each in maildir format (i.e., each had a new, cur and tmp directory, with the email being held one message to a file under cur). 3) The result was to place eight .glimpse... files in ~, but then glimpse worked just as documented to search them. 4) Also running version 4.1-2 on a slink system (but with linux 2.2.12). Good luck, Keith
Re: eth0 to tr0... files/other stuff to change?
/etc/dhclient-script Just in case you aren't aware of it, don't expect dhclient to work with TR on a 2.2.x kernel...
Re: top missing too
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: geisha [~] $ dpkg -S top|grep bin xpdf: /usr/bin/pdftops procps: /usr/bin/top snipped and yes, that command actually runs. I maintain a absolutely current potato box so I can compile packages. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null I did an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade just now, and I lost my /usr/bin/top. - Kris
Re: tdyc.com ready yet?
On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Pollywog wrote: I still cannot get apt-get updates for tdyc.com. Was the distribution directory for KDE changed? Will I need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list? You might want to try using yuma.tdyc.com - kde.tdyc.com doesn't work anymore (doesn't resolve to an IP#). I got the debs from there two days ago. -- -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are two things that are infinite; Human stupidity and the universe. And I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstien
Re: emacs or xemacs ?
I do. Why? Mostly don't know. Just familiar with it. At one time it was impossible to get both to work properly on the same system. I did not want to give up emacs for XEmacs. There were several things that did not work in XEmacs, when I first installed and I did not have the patience to find out why. If I had more time, maybe! Some of the keystrokes are different, etc, etc... The reason such questions frequently cause holy wars is that a text editor tends to become the extension of the user. Once you learn vi, you do not want to change. Once you learn emacs, you don't want to change. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kristopher Johnson) writes: I honestly don't mean to start a holy war here, but I'd like to know: Is there anyone who prefers Emacs to XEmacs, and why? -- *** Running Debian Linux *** * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, * * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16 * * W. Paul Mills * Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A. * * EMAIL= [EMAIL PROTECTED] * WWW= http://Mills-USA.com/ * * Bill, I was there several years ago, why would I want to go back? * * pgp public key on keyservers everywhere? */ --
Re: latex: how to output the ¢ (cent) symbol - solved
Michael Laing wrote:
I have a potato system with all the usual latex stuff on it.
I am working with a lot of latin1 (ISO-8859-1) text and need to output
the ¢ (cent) symbol, which is latin1 character number 162 (0xa2). How
can I do that? Almost all other characters work fine with the latin1
input encoding.
Here's a little example document.
\documentclass[10pt,letterpaper]{letter}
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
\usepackage{times}
\begin{document}
Yo Günther, a nickle is \$0.05 or 5¢.
\end{document}
.
.
.
Well I solved it by grep'ing around in the latex directories which
ultimately led me to the TS1 encoding (symbolic companion to T1) which
properly defined the cent symbol. Here's the new text:
\documentclass[10pt,letterpaper]{letter}
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}% Input text is encoded in latin 1, so '¢'
is 1 byte: '0xa2'
\usepackage{times}
\usepackage[TS1,T1]{fontenc}% NEW: T1 is the default font encoding, TS1
is allowed
\newcommand{\tsone}{\fontencoding{TS1}\selectfont}%NEW: define a cmd
that sets the TS1 encoding
\begin{document}
Yo Günther, a nickle is \$0.05 or 5{\tsone ¢}.%MODIFIED: use new cmd to
switch encoding for the ¢
\end{document}
latin1 effectively translates '¢' to '\textcent' and TS1 translates it
back again for output.
The .dvi, .ps, and .pdf files look perfect.
This same technique will work for most if not all of the 'funny'
characters in latin1 that are otherwise unsupported or which require
unsightly flipping into math mode, so I am hopeful that I will have a
complete mapping for ISO-8859-1.
If anyone has a simpler method I would like to know of it, as I am not
much of a latex guru!
ml
mc error message
Hi, after the latest upgrade of mc in potato I have noticed an error message every time i start it: oddbird:/home/cdysthe# mc.real params.c:OpenConfFile() - Unable to open configuration file /etc/smb.conf: No such file or directory Can't load /etc/smb.conf - run testparm to debug it load_client_codepage: filename /usr/lib/codepages/codepage.850 does not exist. What does this mean? Does it matter? If yes, how do I fix it? While I am at it: How do you cut/copy/paste from/to to the mc editor? TIA -- Regards, Christian Dysthe E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://oddbird.dyndns.org/cdysthe/ ICQ 3945810 Powered by Debian GNU/Linux Clones are people two
Re: amd and security
Dont know about amd, but are you sure it wasn't something else? like ftpd for example, there was quite some public available ftpd exploids. On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 04:48:29PM -0700, Obi wrote: Hi all, some of the debian machines here have been broke into. The sysadm told me that amd is the culprit (I think amq). Have you heard anything about it? How can we secure them? Is the amd version into slink secure? thanks graziano -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Marcin Kurc Indiana Institute of Technology System Administrator http://me.indtech.edu http://www.indtech.edu
dselect updating when Debian config changes
G'day, all. How can I prevent dselect from downloading packages that are already installed, merely because the Debian version has changed? Really, it is intolerable that that happens. It can cost a lot of money in download fees. I have attepted to defeat it by general freezes, but that makes it a lot of work to select something when I want to upgrade. It is made worse by the terrible practice of splitting up the author's source into multiple Debian packages. Several weeks ago I decided that my Debian system had become totally unmaintainable. That was after I had modified a lot of selections so I could install something, and dselect for some reason told me that if I went ahead it would uninstall 90% of my system. I guess, instead of looking at thousands of listed packages I was doing group selections. I have reached total lockup. Please reply to the list, because I'm not going to ask again if no replies show up. Apologies if you've recently discussed it - I've resubscribed to the list only to ask this question. Regards, Michael Talbot-Wilson
Re: mutt questions
Guilherme Soares Zahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I decided to try using mutt as my console-mail-reader because of pure lazyness (I was used to Pine, but I'd have to grab and compile it, so... ;-), and I'm quite disappointed with the lack of 'easy-configurability' of it (compared to Pine)... So, I'd like to ask a few questions... 1) How do I define a default 'reply-to' address? my_hdr Reply-to: $realname \[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) How do I define a default 'save to' folder? save-hook '~A' your-default-folder Apart from that, the use of the cursor keys is quite confusing, also... I don think it's a good policy to have the 'down' key to move you to the next message... sometimes we only want to go down a single line... What about using 'n' for 'next message' and 'p' for 'previous message' (and the cursor keys for their intuitive funcions) bind pager nnext-entry bind pager pprevious-entry bind index nnext-new bind index ppreviouse-undeleted TIA, Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Shao Zhang - Running Debian 2.1 ___ _ _ Department of Communications/ __| |_ __ _ ___ |_ / |_ __ _ _ _ __ _ University of New South Wales \__ \ ' \/ _` / _ \ / /| ' \/ _` | ' \/ _` | Sydney, Australia |___/_||_\__,_\___/ /___|_||_\__,_|_||_\__, | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |___/ _
Re: /var/log
Seth R Arnold posted: nah, hold onto them. You can gzip them (the logrotate package does this automagically. The logrotate package does this automagically if only U have uncommented the 'compress' in /etc/logrotate.conf ragOO, VU2RGU. PGP Key 1024/1A747CB1 Fingerprint: 61 CD 0F 96 7A 94 4F F6 F0 42 1B 6D C0 A4 24 CF -- Keeping the Air-Waves FREE.Amateur Radio Keeping the W W W FREE..Debian GNU/Linux
Re: /var/log
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 07:46:17AM +0530, ragOO wrote: Seth R Arnold posted: nah, hold onto them. You can gzip them (the logrotate package does this automagically. The logrotate package does this automagically if only U have uncommented the 'compress' in /etc/logrotate.conf while the documentation says that (heh, I never looked in there.. :) all my logfiles are gzipped (well, the .1 and later ones... .0 is left uncompressed..) despite not being uncommented. Does that mean I have two similar programs installed doing the same silly thing? :) But, the point is, logrotate will do the thing for you! :) -- Seth Arnold | http://www.willamette.edu/~sarnold/ Hate spam? See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for help Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
kde's high color icons?
Do the KDE1.2 high color icons come with the regular install of kde or are there separate packages for this? Where are they? Thanks. -- NatePuri (natedawg) Certified Law Student McGeorge School of Law Sacramento, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ompages.com http://office.ompages.com/~natedawg PGP: http://www.ompages.com/PGP.html UIN: 43504034 IRC: office.ompages.com #ompages pgp3MGGsseC3i.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: dselect updating when Debian config changes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: How can I prevent dselect from downloading packages that are already installed, merely because the Debian version has changed? Put them on hold. Really, it is intolerable that that happens. It can cost a lot of money in download fees. The Debian version isn't changed just to spite you or increase your downloading fees. As you may know, a Debianized package has more than just the original author's programs. Also are installation and removal scripts, config files, menu entries, /etc/init.d scripts, cron scripts, and so on. If there's a bug in these, wouldn't you rather have Debian release a fixed version than make you keep the buggy one? Also, sometimes the Debian maintainers make a mistake, or realize a better way of doing something. For example, just recently the zless script was accidentally left out of the package. A few months ago the su binary was installed non-suid, so it couldn't su. Now, the top binary is missing from the procps package. In these cases, a new Debian version is required to fix these mistakes and make things functional again. I have attepted to defeat it by general freezes, but that makes it a lot of work to select something when I want to upgrade. It is made worse by the terrible practice of splitting up the author's source into multiple Debian packages. Terrible practice? I would think you'd like it, since it means less to download if you don't want everything the author includes. Several weeks ago I decided that my Debian system had become totally unmaintainable. That was after I had modified a lot of selections so I could install something, and dselect for some reason told me that if I went ahead it would uninstall 90% of my system. I guess, instead of looking at thousands of listed packages I was doing group selections. Possibly you told it not to upgrade those critical packages, and then upgraded something those packages depend on. Since you said not to upgrade them, they might be marked for removal instead. This could especially happen with perl or libc6, since nearly every package depends directly or indirectly on them. Please reply to the list, because I'm not going to ask again if no replies show up. Apologies if you've recently discussed it - I've resubscribed to the list only to ask this question. As a final note, you may want to stick with slink instead of following potato (as i assume you're doing). Since potato is in development, you'll see many packages being upgraded as they're debugged. In slink, the stable release, things are only upgraded to fix major security holes and the like. You could even order the CD then, and save yourself almost any downloading fees. - -- finger for PGP public key. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBN98Iub7M/9WKZLW5AQHRKgP+NGu7ih2SjaUKX5R4jbMtp8cy0lR2r86o ZaWSPeEp5eeCG93KcwRU5DpYQEn/pfqEdM9yxGdNnIPjowegjWL48cD1Umv/kiLu t3TfT3zmFBs7rYkQt0eVqzlPpIyNV8IdqO86K3TISx7KGuZBB/VQEOHWXejWRTF5 UI1huQtJhmY= =JY4d -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re:
Ton Hamerslag wrote: Dear debian-user. I have a IBM 386sx 55 machine with 4 MB RAM and a harddisk of 80 MB. I want to make a linux server of that machine. The only thing this machine also has is a floppy drive, no cd-rom. Which software must I download and what needs to be done to install Linux on this machine.(For example do I need Bootup floppy's). O don't know how to start. Please help me. Greetings, Ton Hamerslag. To serve what? FTP? html? Gopher? What kind of service you want implemented? Taupter
RE: dselect updating when Debian config changes
OK, If you wish to get a new package that is released WITHOUT updating all existing packages that have new versions, just use apt-get to install tha package directly. apt-get update #update the package DB apt-get install package Note, this WILL download and install updates to dependancies, if they are needed. A feature I would like to see (and one that I am not convinced doesn't exist) is to be able to tell dpkg/apt/dselect to change current package selections to match the current state of the system. Bryan On 15-Sep-99 Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: G'day, all. How can I prevent dselect from downloading packages that are already installed, merely because the Debian version has changed? Really, it is intolerable that that happens. It can cost a lot of money in download fees. I have attepted to defeat it by general freezes, but that makes it a lot of work to select something when I want to upgrade. It is made worse by the terrible practice of splitting up the author's source into multiple Debian packages. Several weeks ago I decided that my Debian system had become totally unmaintainable. That was after I had modified a lot of selections so I could install something, and dselect for some reason told me that if I went ahead it would uninstall 90% of my system. I guess, instead of looking at thousands of listed packages I was doing group selections. I have reached total lockup. Please reply to the list, because I'm not going to ask again if no replies show up. Apologies if you've recently discussed it - I've resubscribed to the list only to ask this question. Regards, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: tdyc.com ready yet?
*- On 14 Sep, Phil Brutsche wrote about Re: tdyc.com ready yet? On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Pollywog wrote: I still cannot get apt-get updates for tdyc.com. Was the distribution directory for KDE changed? Will I need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list? You might want to try using yuma.tdyc.com - kde.tdyc.com doesn't work anymore (doesn't resolve to an IP#). I got the debs from there two days ago. kde.tdyc.com works for me. % nslookup kde.tdyc.com#this is a cache only on a dial-up so Server: localhost #it gets refreshed everytime I dial in. Address: 127.0.0.1 Name:kde.tdyc.com Address: 24.93.81.105 % apt-get update Hit http://kde.tdyc.com slink/kde Packages Ign http://kde.tdyc.com slink/kde Release [snip] -- Brian - Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
Re: portmapper
On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 01:40:57PM -0700, Jim McCloskey wrote: The security consultant here would like me not to run the RPC portmapper. I suppose this is a known security issue, and I'm not actually using the services that depend on it. It seems to be started in /etc/initd/netbase, but looking at that script, it's not obvious to me what the base way to disable it would be. Comment out the line which starts the portmap program. In potato portmap has been moved into a seperate init script, so you could just remove it from the relevant runlevels. It would probably also be good karma to disable or deinstall anything else which uses portmap - rpcinfo -p host should give you a clue as to what that involves. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpYlim8W7MJ6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: To the Debian Project, IMHO
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 09:56:24AM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: Info keybindings are virtually identical to Emacs, and thus don't feel at all stupid to this Emacs user. In fact, I would be VERY annoyed if But consider what it used to be like - the curses info browser was very confusing because the motion keys weren't bound quite in the same way as those in Emacs (or anything else for that matter). the info maintainers heeded Havoc's advice and redid the keybindings in the image of, say, vi. I'd be surprised if any effort to improve ease of use chose to standardise on vi (unless nethack has a sudden burst of popularity, anyway). Keith Dselect? Nice in many ways; yes, it's the non-standard Keith keystrokes and lack of visual feedback (has my search finished Keith yet?) that are probably the worst things. Other than that *I* Keith can't think of a much nicer way to address package installation Keith in ncurses. That's right. And I have to disagree that the general flow of control in dselect doesn't make sense and this has _zero_ to do with the power of the tools. Change the flow of control and I bet you'll lose some flexibility somewhere. Better prompting and visual feedback would probably go a long way to making the flow of control seem better - one common source of problem is your idea of what's going on diverging from that of dselect. It would also be nice to be able to defer conflict resolution sometimes, not to mention the *!?# recommends handling and the forced display of the help screen. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgp6UPI8jQA8E.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Uninstalling gnome
On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 09:18:25AM -0500, David Kanter wrote: [Please keep your lines under 80 characters - put line breaks within paragraphs] What's the best way to uninstall gnome and its associated packages? I think all I downloaded was task-gnome-desktop, but I'm not sure. Should I let dselect remove this package? And will it remove all the dependencies? Removing that package won't deinstall anything else. You can look at which packages it depends upon to see what else to deinstall (you'll probably also have to look at those packages to find all the libs). Alternatively, a BFI approach is to try to remove a core GNOME library like libgnome and/or things like orbit and see what else dselect wants to remove. Or, should I just change my .xsession to read exec wmaker instead of exec gnome-session and save myself the trouble? Will this throw my .xsession into a tizzy? That won't cause any problems (assuming you have WindowMaker installed :-) ) but it will leave the GNOME stuff lying around on disk. You'll need to do this anyway if you remove GNOME. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpCnSZq4cDqY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: To the Debian Project, IMHO
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:53:52AM -0400, Raymond A. Ingles wrote: 1) Allow quick install from floppies It'd be really nice to have a system for having a single package installed on a floppy, or set of floppies in a way where a user can stick the disk in, and dselect would read and install whatever What advantages would this have over dpkg -i other than checking dependancies before installation? 2) Simple install When trying to install debian, I am simply overwhelmed by the number of packages I have to deal with, and I consider myself to have above average knowledge of UNIX programs! When first installing Debian, a simple walkthrough of Q/A would solve most of these problems. This sounds like what the profiles/task lists are trying to do. 3) Insist on better package descriptions When digging through packages, I'd frequently come across a package I don't recognize. I can't even tell if it would be something I'd want, because there's no description! You can do this yourself already by report a bug against the packages or mailing the maintainers. For whatever reason the description probably makes perfect sense to them and unless someone says something they won't realise that people are having trouble with it. Generally, if an individual package doesn't do something you'd expect or could be improved the best thing to do is talk to the maintainer - most will welcome useful suggestions, and it's much more likely to achieve something than pointing out general trends. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpHEgxYAfC4F.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: dselect updating when Debian config changes
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: G'day, all. How can I prevent dselect from downloading packages that are already installed, merely because the Debian version has changed? The way I use is apt-get instead of dselect that way only the packages you want get upgraded and/or installed and it keeps everything functional. just these 2 lines solved a lot of hassle... apt-get install packagename and apt-get remove packagename Gareth
Re: amd and security
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 04:48:29PM -0700, Obi wrote: some of the debian machines here have been broke into. The sysadm told me that amd is the culprit (I think amq). Have you heard anything about it? How can we secure them? Is the amd version into slink secure? See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/44/44552.html (there should probably be a security announcement and upload for stable too but I don't seem to see it). There's also been some discussion on bugtraq IIRC. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgp60fmaL8MNN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: To the Debian Project, IMHO
I think most people miss some important points: - A text or graphic mode UI is some times the most effective user interface, some times a command line driven interface is more effective. - Even the best of the experts is very happy if a good tool is easy to use, so it costs less time to do a job. - Ease of use is not only for lusers or beginners! I'm a system administrator and programmer and i like programs which are easy to use, cause i like to have my job done instead of learning how to use a tool. - What advantage has a command line tool with 3000 options, extremly flexible, but no one is ever able to remember all these options? The user interface and the ease of use is one of the most important parts of every program - only this way a tool can really help in doing a job more effective and less time consuming. Take samba as an example? If all you do every day is working with smb.conf then you know one day nealy all the options. But if not? If you have to tweak smb.conf only once in a while? Then every time you have to work through the manpages - but hey, there is swat. That little small tool really helps you to just do your job. -- Until the next mail..., Stefan.
Re: latex: how to output the ¢ (cent) symbol
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Laing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ML \documentclass[10pt,letterpaper]{letter}
ML \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
Try using
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
ML \usepackage{times}
You are using times, which is postscript, which uses T1 encoding. So
there should be no harm in activating T1 for the hole document.
--
Until the next mail...,
Stefan.
Re: dselect updating when Debian config changes
Gareth wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: G'day, all. How can I prevent dselect from downloading packages that are already installed, merely because the Debian version has changed? The way I use is apt-get instead of dselect that way only the packages you want get upgraded and/or installed and it keeps everything functional. just these 2 lines solved a lot of hassle... apt-get install packagename and apt-get remove packagename Gareth Is there some easy way to maintain a half-unstable machine using apt-get? For a while, I had slink with a 2.2 kernel and a few packages from potato (the ones required for the 2.2 kernel, plus the newest versions of g++, glibc, python, and all dependent packages). I manually downloaded the debs from unstable that I wanted and installed them using dpkg -i. Now, I've totally upgraded to potato, so this is kinda moot, but I still wonder: is there some sort of magic I could have done with apt-get, sources.list, shell scripts, etc. to automatically keep updating the desired unstable packages while still leaving the slink parts intact? (Putting things on hold didn't seem to work.) - Kris
Re: To the Debian Project, IMHO
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:19:37AM -0500, Keith G. Murphy wrote: It would also be sad to leave behind the Unix heritage of simple utilities that can pipe to each other to do useful things. This is more than a heritage, this is a cornerstone of a useful computing environment. I thought VMS was annoying because I had to explicitly read and write temp files to 'pipe' programs together. Then I found out how good I had it when I was condemned to Windows NT. No doubt that a feature-rich GUI has its place. But don't forget the (hopefully) many of us that are irritated when we experience: $ type sed sed is /bin/sed instead of $ type sed /bin/sed - Programs don't create data. People create data. Every program is a filter. -- Mark Gancarz, 'The Unix Philosophy'
Re: what are the standard programming tools available in Debian?
Thanks Seth! It seems lately that many questions go unanswered, much less answered in such a thorough manner... I'm sure that your advice will help me... Howdy everyone, I was wondering: what are the tools available in Debian that one would consider part of the standard toolbox of a programmer? Well, it all depends on the programmer, I suppose. :) You need a good text editor. For me, that is vim. (As another debian-user reader pointed out, You can take my Vim when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. Same goes for me, but it might be more difficult. :) For others, that might be elvis or emacs or whatever else. In any case, you need a good one, one that you know well. You should have the compiler for whatever language you want to play in. For java, you need the jdk. (I think I have all four jdk* packages installed on my system..) For C, you need gcc. One thing that I dabbled with over the summer is makefiles -- wonderfully amazing things. With the right Makefile you can type :make in vim and it will rebuild your source, and jump to the first line with errors, and let you step through all the lines with errors. I am sure emacs offers the same setup. If you want to do much C programming, and you have X window installed, then check out ddd -- a GUI frontend to gdb (very much nicer to a newbie such as myself) as well as some other debuggers (rumored to also include the java debugger, though I haven't tested that.) If you want to do Perl programming, well, your Debian system should have come with that preinstalled. If you don't know perl, then buy one of two books: Learning Perl, by Randal L Swartz (I hope I got that right) or Programming Perl, by Tom Christianson and Larry Wall. Which one you buy depends on your programming experience. At some point you *will* want Programming Perl, so you might as well buy that one, and if it goes over your head (like it did mine my first trip through it) grab Learning Perl, and then try again. :) as for other bits of the toolbox, you need to use manpages, (perldoc has perl info, the C ones are harder to find; I don't think there is one manpage that lists all the other C-based manpages..) grep, find, and maybe other bits too. :)
Fonts
I really like the way X works on my Hamm system. The only complaint I have is with the font quality. Sometimes they look fine for example as I type this message, and other times they look really crappy. The biggest problem I have is with Netscape Navigator. Sometimes the fonts are too small and sometimes they are just distorted. I have tried all the font settings I can find. I have seen other posts complaining about this and I understand there are some ways to improve the font quality. I wonder if I could get some suggestions from this group as to the best way to handle this issue. Thanks in advance.
Debian terminfo's (was Re: xterm/rxvt screen clearing / restoration)
T.E.Dickey wrote: it's an faq (the alternate screen behavior) ... I wrote: I'm running Debian 2.1, and have an annoying problem with xterm and rxvt where often the screen fails to be restored properly after running vi/vim/elvis/less/anything else which ordinarily restores the terminal screen after exiting. ... As per the xterm FAQ, I've tried the XTerm*titeInhibit X resource. This seems to work around the issue well for xterm. However, rxvt does not support this feature. Setting the resource XTerm.termName: xterm1 (xterm1 is from the ncurses-term pkg) seems to work around the problem for both xterm and rxvt. However, you lose the debian term 'features' (at least Home and End keys, what else?). ncurses-term has about a bazillion variations on xterm and rxvt, I've not tried them all. Given the above, I am led to believe this must be a result of dud Debian terminfo descriptions? I've just mailed the ncurses-base maintainer, hopefully he may be able to shed some light... The xterm FAQ discussion re. termcap/terminfo modifications is unclear to me (I know next to nothing about terminfo databases), and it seems the 'untic' program is not present in Debian 2.1. tic is in ncurses-bin, but I can find no reference to untic. Can tic 'untic' given appropriate arguments? Regards, Ben Low
Re: mutt questions
On Tue 09/14/99 12:48PM, Guilherme Soares Zahn wrote: I don think it's a good policy to have the 'down' key to move you to the next message... sometimes we only want to go down a single line... What about using 'n' for 'next message' and 'p' for 'previous message' (and the cursor keys for their intuitive funcions) That _is_ annoying, but easily fixed. I have the following in my .muttrc: bind pager pageup previous-page bind pager pagedown next-page set pager_stop bind pager up previous-line bind pager down next-line I got this info from some links I accessed from the mutt home page. -- ( __ _ Mark Wagnon ) Debian GNU/ -o) / / (_)__ __ __ Chula Vista, CA ( /\\/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) www.debian.org _\_v/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
SWAT: How to do it right
I was reading one of the replies to another thread about ease of use v.s. power and flexibility. The author made an example out of SWAT. Since I run Samba and have never activited it, I figured I would fire it up and check it out. He was absolutely right...its beautiful. I'm really impressed. An excellant example of power, flexibility, and ease of use. See you can have your cake and eat it too :)
Re: what are the standard programming tools available in Debian?
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:39:23PM -0500, rich wrote: Thanks Seth! It seems lately that many questions go unanswered, much less answered in such a thorough manner... I'm sure that your advice will help me... Well, many are above my head, so I let them lie rather than give patently wrong info. (Which doesn't prevent me from giving the direction to look in if I think I have a clue :) Although, there are so many questions and answers posted here each day (70 between the time I checked before bed, and when I woke up!) that I often feel I will be duplicating or triplicating answers when I am so far behind in the list. (There are actually about 100 messages in here I have yet to read, and I doubt I will get to them ever..) So, sometimes when I know the answer, I don't answer right away, but continue reading forward, hoping to find an answer -- or hoping to remember at the end that someone wanted an answer. And the thing is, the problem is because people *are* so helpful. hehe. :) lovely bunch this debian crowd. :) Howdy everyone, I was wondering: what are the tools available in Debian that one would consider part of the standard toolbox of a programmer? Well, it all depends on the programmer, I suppose. :) You need a good text editor. For me, that is vim. (As another debian-user reader pointed out, You can take my Vim when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. Same goes for me, but it might be more difficult. :) For others, that might be elvis or emacs or whatever else. In any case, you need a good one, one that you know well. You should have the compiler for whatever language you want to play in. For java, you need the jdk. (I think I have all four jdk* packages installed on my system..) For C, you need gcc. One thing that I dabbled with over the summer is makefiles -- wonderfully amazing things. With the right Makefile you can type :make in vim and it will rebuild your source, and jump to the first line with errors, and let you step through all the lines with errors. I am sure emacs offers the same setup. If you want to do much C programming, and you have X window installed, then check out ddd -- a GUI frontend to gdb (very much nicer to a newbie such as myself) as well as some other debuggers (rumored to also include the java debugger, though I haven't tested that.) If you want to do Perl programming, well, your Debian system should have come with that preinstalled. If you don't know perl, then buy one of two books: Learning Perl, by Randal L Swartz (I hope I got that right) or Programming Perl, by Tom Christianson and Larry Wall. Which one you buy depends on your programming experience. At some point you *will* want Programming Perl, so you might as well buy that one, and if it goes over your head (like it did mine my first trip through it) grab Learning Perl, and then try again. :) as for other bits of the toolbox, you need to use manpages, (perldoc has perl info, the C ones are harder to find; I don't think there is one manpage that lists all the other C-based manpages..) grep, find, and maybe other bits too. :) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Seth Arnold | http://www.willamette.edu/~sarnold/ Hate spam? See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for help Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Re: Fonts
I am not sure how to change that on Hamm, but see if you can't get xfstt working under hamm -- and find some nice truetype fonts to use with it. My netscape experience because MUCH better when that worked. (And I never got it to work under other distributions... this debian thing is nice. :) Of course, if you don't want to try that, look for the 'freefont' package, I think it has some nice fonts you can use under X -- hamm may not have those fonts by default, and they should integrate nicely with your existing setup. On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:10:09PM -0700, Craig B wrote: I really like the way X works on my Hamm system. The only complaint I have is with the font quality. Sometimes they look fine for example as I type this message, and other times they look really crappy. The biggest problem I have is with Netscape Navigator. Sometimes the fonts are too small and sometimes they are just distorted. I have tried all the font settings I can find. I have seen other posts complaining about this and I understand there are some ways to improve the font quality. I wonder if I could get some suggestions from this group as to the best way to handle this issue. Thanks in advance. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Seth Arnold | http://www.willamette.edu/~sarnold/ Hate spam? See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for help Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Re: need some help
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:52:59PM -0400, Bill Goudie wrote: Rob -- Tonight when I tried to load a web page with java on it I think it locked up my computer. Or at least I could not switch to another virtual desktop nor could I get back to the console. My mp3s were still playing and I could still move the mouse, though. So, after about ten minutes it dawned on my that I could use ssh to kill the xserver and Netscape. So, I did that but now I have a garble version of my background pasted to my screen. And I don't get any response from the any keyboard input. I thought maybe that If I started a new X from ssh it would refresh things but that didn't work either. Other than this everything appears normail. Right now I am across the hall and used ssh to connect to my computer to send you this message. So, that leads me to belive this must be an error with my video of some sort. I'm not sure and I'm merely guessing. And I'm hoping you have some suggestions to make. Uh...I'm not sure if Im leaving anything out. Thanks, -- Bill Goudie Debian GNU/Linux ICQ# 4493568 http://www.debian.org Something like this happened to me in the spring: I ran an svga program that trashed one of my VTs and I was without any text consoles for a week or so. There were two programs, savetextmode and restoretextmode, that would have helped me if I'd known about them before I messed things up, but I didn't and I think I wound up rebooting. But it sounds like you don't have a hosed vga screen, you just need to make X go away. If you haven't already, kill -9 everything related to X that you can find over your ssh connection. Also kill everything that looks like it might be associated with Java. If that doesn't help, you might try changing init levels (using telinit, I think?) and seeing if that kills it. I would first change to multi-user levels 2,3,4 or 5 before trying single-user, which would be more likely to work but would by definition I think destroy your remote session. I'll put this on the debian list, too, and some smart person there will warn you away from my bad advice. If you lose your uptime over this, you should definitely disable java and javascript in your browser. Rob -- Do not take life too seriously; you will never get out of it alive.
Re: Fonts
xfstt is definitely the way to go. It makes truetype fonts available to all X apps, (at least it did on my system) including netscape. Craig B wrote: I really like the way X works on my Hamm system. The only complaint I have is with the font quality. Sometimes they look fine for example as I type this message, and other times they look really crappy. The biggest problem I have is with Netscape Navigator. Sometimes the fonts are too small and sometimes they are just distorted. I have tried all the font settings I can find. I have seen other posts complaining about this and I understand there are some ways to improve the font quality. I wonder if I could get some suggestions from this group as to the best way to handle this issue. Thanks in advance. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: need some help
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:59:46AM -0400, Rob Mahurin wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:52:59PM -0400, Bill Goudie wrote: Rob -- Tonight when I tried to load a web page with java on it I think it locked up my computer. Or at least I could not switch to another virtual desktop nor could I get back to the console. My mp3s were still playing and I could still move the mouse, though. So, after about ten minutes it dawned on my that I could use ssh to kill the xserver and Netscape. So, I did that but now I have a garble version of my background pasted to my screen. And I don't get any response from the any keyboard input. I thought maybe that If I started a new X from ssh it would refresh things but that didn't work either. Other than this everything appears normail. Right now I am across the hall and used ssh to connect to my computer to send you this message. So, that leads me to belive this must be an error with my video of some sort. I'm not sure and I'm merely guessing. And I'm hoping you have some suggestions to make. Uh...I'm not sure if Im leaving anything out. Thanks, -- Bill GoudieDebian GNU/Linux ICQ# 4493568 http://www.debian.org Something like this happened to me in the spring: I ran an svga program that trashed one of my VTs and I was without any text consoles for a week or so. There were two programs, savetextmode and restoretextmode, that would have helped me if I'd known about them before I messed things up, but I didn't and I think I wound up rebooting. But it sounds like you don't have a hosed vga screen, you just need to make X go away. If you haven't already, kill -9 everything related to X that you can find over your ssh connection. Also kill everything that looks like it might be associated with Java. If that doesn't help, you might try changing init levels (using telinit, I think?) and seeing if that kills it. I would first change to multi-user levels 2,3,4 or 5 before trying single-user, which would be more likely to work but would by definition I think destroy your remote session. I'll put this on the debian list, too, and some smart person there will warn you away from my bad advice. If you lose your uptime over this, you should definitely disable java and javascript in your browser. The one time that happened to me, switching runlevels didn't fix it... :( One command that might be able to help you out, if you have them: set80. From the /usr/doc/svgatextmode/set80.doc: set80: a 80x25 mode setter == Set80 is a short resque program that attempts to reset your screen to a 80x25 mode, without the need for a TextConfig file. It is very useful when you are setting up SVGATextMode, and something goes wrong. If you can get set80 to run, there's a fair chance that you will get your display back. If it will help you, who knows. If you can even run it from ssh, who knows. But, there it is all the same. If you kernel 2.1.x (x180 or so?) or 2.2.x or 2.3.x then maybe your magic-sysrq key can save you. alt-sysrq-k, if I remember... if you have it, the Documentation dir under your kernel sources should give more detailed information. Do read the docs there first. (Sorry, i am still on 2.0.36, can't read them from here. :) And, just a quick comment -- telinit is symlinked to init. :) amidala:/mnt/matrix# ls -l `which telinit` lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root4 Sep 4 11:32 /sbin/telinit - init just running init 3 is enough to change run levels. But, messing with run levels *could* put you in a state without control over the machine. Do stick to the runlevels you know work on your machine, 2, 3 are likely. I wouldn't suggest init 1. Reboot instead (shutdown -r now) of changing to single-user mode. :) -- Seth Arnold | http://www.willamette.edu/~sarnold/ Hate spam? See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for help Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Re: emacs or xemacs ?
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 07:32:22PM -0400, Kristopher Johnson wrote: I honestly don't mean to start a holy war here, but I'd like to know: Is there anyone who prefers Emacs to XEmacs, and why? I use emacs when I'm in a text terminal (like right now) because I haven't figured out how to use Xemacs' menus from the text terminal and some of the functions of Xemacs (e.g., syntax highlighting) seem inaccessible without mouse access to the proper menus. In addition, the cut and paste works differently in Xemacs (in a text terminal) than in any other text-based program, and it always messes with me. I am sure that these things are configureable, but I haven't found them and I don't feel like learning Lisp and reading the source. This preference means that I use emacs -nw to write email from mutt, even in X. Sometimes I load X just to use Xemacs. And I'm hoping now that someone will answer me with do this to fix those problems, HAND. So apparently I prefer Xemacs. Rob -- Santa Claus is watching!
Whay can't GDB or DDD find my source code?
I am compiling a C program like so gcc -o -g foo foo.c alternatively gcc -o -ggdb foo foo.c When I run gdb, I get (no debugging symbols found) When I run ddd, I get GDB cannot find the source code of your program I'm running everything from the same directory, and have tried gdb ./foo, etc. Am I just confused as to what these programs should be doing? At least they should be able to find the source code, right? Unless there are no errors, maybe? Baffled, Rich
Re: Whay can't GDB or DDD find my source code?
Do you even have an executable file called 'foo' there? The -o option should be immediately followed by the name (which, by your examples is either -g or -ggdb). Try compiling with: $ gcc -g -o foo foo.c Matthew rich wrote: I am compiling a C program like so gcc -o -g foo foo.c alternatively gcc -o -ggdb foo foo.c When I run gdb, I get (no debugging symbols found) When I run ddd, I get GDB cannot find the source code of your program I'm running everything from the same directory, and have tried gdb ./foo, etc. Am I just confused as to what these programs should be doing? At least they should be able to find the source code, right? Unless there are no errors, maybe? Baffled, Rich -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Fonts
Craig B wrote: ... I type this message, and other times they look really crappy. The biggest problem I have is with Netscape Navigator. Sometimes the fonts are too small and sometimes they are just distorted. I have tried all I believe the problem arises due to the good old HTML H tags, and FONT SIZE tag - these tell the browser to scale the font up/down by a certain amount. The problem is these scalings often end up scaling a bitmap X font - leaving you with a poor result. A simple workaround, other than running a true-type font server as suggested by others, is to tell Netscape not to scale the fonts so much. Put this in your .Xdefaults/.Xresources: Netscape*documentFonts.sizeIncrement: 5 The value '5' may need to be toyed with for best results. Ben
Minor inittab/serial console question...
I've set up one of my headless machines to use ttyS0 as a serial console, and I've also set it up to run getty on that port after it finishes booting. Using minicom from another machine, I can monitor the other machine's serial port and see that everything works fine. After it boots, I can log in, etc, and I can even interact with LILO using it's serial= option, but now I'd like to set it up so that the non-headess machine automatically puts its ttyS0 (the one connected to the headless machine's serial console) on one of its virtual terminals. Is there an easy way to do that? I've hunted around the HOWTOs and linux/Documentation/* and I can't find anything relevant. Any help or RTFMs would be appreciated. Thanks -- Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP=E80E0D04F521A094 532B97F5D64E3930
Re: script command question
Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cool. Thanks. I needed an example of how to get the script to receive the text to be filtered. This'll help a lot. Thanks again. You might also be interested in the filterm program from the konwert package. I came across that today and from a brief inspection, I recall that it may do what you want. -- Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP=E80E0D04F521A094 532B97F5D64E3930
Re: what are the standard programming tools available in Debian?
as for other bits of the toolbox, you need to use manpages, (perldoc has perl info, the C ones are harder to find; I don't think there is one manpage that lists all the other C-based manpages..) grep, find, and maybe other bits too. For C/C++ man pages beautifully organised ... tried gnu info ? good documentation on GCC , GLIB , GDB etc and hyperlinked !! btw: info pages for cp, ls , ln are also verrry informative !! my students (and myself) learn from them... cheers venu
Re: KDE 1.1.2
On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:37:25 +0300 (EEST), Heikki Ylipiessa [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Heikki Yes .. there is 1.1.2 for slink allso .. Heikki dep http://kde.tdyc.com slink kde Heikki go and grap it Hello, how do I get this stuff when apt-get does not have a direct internet connection? Thanks for hinte -- Peter -- -- Peter Weiss, Baldestraße 14, 80469 München, Tel. 089/ 20232434 -- ---The foolish ones taught more to me than the wise ones ever could--- --
cannot connect to win98 using samba
Hi, I have installed the latest samba from potato. when I do something like this: smbclient -L xxx.xxx.xxx.xx I got the following: session request to xxx.xxx.xx.xx failed session request to *SMBSERVER failed where xxx.xxx.xxx.xx is the ip address of the win98 machine. I can ping this machine successfully... Thanks in advance. Shao. -- Shao Zhang - Running Debian 2.1 ___ _ _ Department of Communications/ __| |_ __ _ ___ |_ / |_ __ _ _ _ __ _ University of New South Wales \__ \ ' \/ _` / _ \ / /| ' \/ _` | ' \/ _` | Sydney, Australia |___/_||_\__,_\___/ /___|_||_\__,_|_||_\__, | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |___/ _
a sendmail puzzle
hey. we've recently decided that it would be a good idea to build a new shell box and isolate it a bit more then our current one is (keep the hackers a little farther away from where anything important happens). this box will also handle uucp mail because our uucp customers need to log in to a server to fire up uucico, and i don't want them to have access to anything but the shell box. i also don't want this box to do any local delivery (except of course for uucp). if shell users want access to their mail they can do it via pop with pine/mutt/fetchmail to a server which has /var/mail mounted from our netapp. the reason that i don't just mount /var/mail on the netapp is security. if a server is going to be compromised it is 99% likely to be this one, and i don't want an errant cracker to have access to everyone's mail. basically all mail should be forwarded to a smarthost except uucp mail. the problem is that mail sent on the command line to a user without a domain appended is considered local without being parsed by mailertable (which is what i'm using to define a smarthost). i can't think of any good way to do this. i thought about using a global procmail rule (/etc/procmailrc) to catch all mail being delivered without an @ in it and to forward it to the same user at our smarthost. this reeks of 'kluge' though, and i would really prefer a nicer solution. so basically what i want is a null client configuration, but that doesn't work with any other mailers defined. does anyone have any ideas? thanks, adam.
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hey list, I got carried away and got gnome. put the url in my /apt/sources list, and got the task-gnome-desktop task-gnome-apps task-gnome-net task-gnome-wm packages. But the included wm's (enlightenment, windowmaker, and ice) all have corrupted displays. trying to start gnome-session resulted in error messages. What's up? oh, one more: do I have to specify *.cgi as a file type that netscape will load? I can't get to my message board... Thanks ya'll. -tf
Re: Debian terminfo's (was Re: xterm/rxvt screen clearing / restoration)
Benjamin Low [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but I can find no reference to untic. Can tic 'untic' given appropriate arguments? infocmp is the command you're after. -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hydro.gen.nz/~sam/
printcap has gone!
Who zapped my /etc/printcap? I make a daily update of my shiny potato and one day ... ... ZAP!!, /etc/printcap disappeared! Any idea? a.
Re: what are the standard programming tools available in Debian?
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 12:52:24PM +0530, venu wrote: as for other bits of the toolbox, you need to use manpages, (perldoc has perl info, the C ones are harder to find; I don't think there is one manpage that lists all the other C-based manpages..) grep, find, and maybe other bits too. For C/C++ man pages beautifully organised ... tried gnu info ? good documentation on GCC , GLIB , GDB etc and hyperlinked !! btw: info pages for cp, ls , ln are also verrry informative !! my students (and myself) learn from them... Venu, you speak the truth, the info pages are full of information, but honestly (and no offense to RMS) -- info isn't the easiest program in the world to master. I *do* wish info had vi-bindings. Maybe it is just me, but the vi bindings seem very intuitive after only a few years. :) Anything else just seems silly. Since I never use it (feels wierd, like speaking russian) I never think of it. So, to the original poster -- do check the info docs. (info is enough to get there. :) (NO! Not flame-bait! Just my not-so-humble opinion... :) I would be more inclined to use info if I could use it similar to vi. (Hmmm... senior-project -- write an info-to-vim converter? Nah, they would never go for that... but it sure would be NICE! :) -- Seth Arnold | http://www.willamette.edu/~sarnold/ Hate spam? See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for help Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
