SSL inspection

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

Reco:

Browsers do certificate validation, "wrong IP address" would be 
possible if the third party somehow produced a valid certificate for 
wiki.debian.org (you have to be a CA *or* the government to do this) 
and faked a DNS record (that's easy part).


One can also do it if one is the person's employer and owns the machine 
that the employee is running, no DNS resource record modifications 
required, merely the employer as an additional root authority pushed out 
via group policy or suchlike and either custom proxy auto-configuration 
or transparent proxying at the borders.  This has been a known practice 
for many years, and there have been for that time a wide range of 
products sold to employers for specifically doing this.


* https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/ee658156.aspx

* http://cookbook.fortinet.com/why-you-should-use-ssl-inspection/

* https://securebox.comodo.com/ssl-sniffing/ssl-inspection/

* https://www.zscaler.com/products/ssl-inspection

* https://www.globalsign.com/en/blog/what-is-ssl-inspection/

... and so on.

failed to set console font and keymap

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

Anil Duggirala:


Actually, the error says. "Failed to start Set console font and keymap".



That is the description of a service.  Read the journal with systemctl 
status and journalctl to see what has been logged about why it has failed.

Re: What is available for setting services to run levels

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

Harry Putnam:

What tools do we have for setting services to run levels


As of Debian 8, you are using a systemd operating system.  Forget about 
runlevels.  They are, as the systemd doco says several times over, 
"obsolete".


* https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/196014/5132

* https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/210117/

* https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/394238/5132

* http://jdebp.eu./FGA/inittab-is-history.html

nosh version 1.37

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

The nosh package is now up to version 1.37 .

 *

   http://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/

 *

   
https://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2017-07-2017-09.html#The-nosh-Project

 *

   http://jdebp.info./Softwares/nosh/

Some of the changes in this release are works in progress, that you will 
see fully realized in version 1.38 or later.


Changes include:

 *

   There is a new chapter in the /nosh Guide/ for those wishing to make
   packages and ports of other softwares, or add service bundle support
   to existing packages and ports.

 *

   The external formats configuration import subsystem has been
   reorganized a bit.

 o

   Nothing uses the |JAVA_HOME| import system any more, where
   service bundles explicitly have their |JAVA_||HOME| variables
   set by configuration import, although it is retained.  All
   service bundles instead use the |find-matching-jvm| mechanism to
   auto-detect a JVM matching their chosen criteria at start time.

 o

   The per-user services import is now in two parts. System-wide
   import sets up a |$HOME/.config/service-bundles/convert/|
   subdirectory for each (real user) user account; and each user
   can then use that, which contains a subordinate per-user
   configuration import mechanism, to set up imported per-user
   service bundles for things.

 o Per-user service source files for Desktop Bus and other services
   are now in their own subdirectory, as are converted keyboard
   maps for the userspace virtual terminals.
 *

   |static-networking| external format configuration import has been
   enhanced to set up |snort@/interface/| services and to handle
   |ipv6_cpe_wanif| and |ipv6_activate_all_interfaces| from |/etc/rc.conf|.

 *

   There is a new |make-read-only-fs| chain loading tool that is a
   placeholder for now.  It is used in some service bundles generated
   by the |convert-systemd-units| tool, which now recognizes and
   converts |CPUAffinity|, |ProtectHome|, |ProtectSystem|,
   |ReadWriteDirectories|, |ReadOnlyPaths|, and |InaccessiblePaths|
   settings.

 *

   Per-user management has been augmented, finally fixing the problem
   of |system-control| locating the per-user manager by giving the
   per-user manager an optional listening FIFO open file descriptor,
   which it uses to listen for user-wide state change commands.
   |system-control --user| |halt|/|normal|/|sysinit|/ now send
   commands via this FIFO, and each user's |user-services@/username/|
   service bundle now uses |fifo-listen| to set up the FIFO and creates
   the |per-user-manager/| subdirectory in |/run/user|.

 *

   There are some more service bundles in the collection that comes
   with the toolset: clickhouse-server, hue, udhcpc-log, minissdpd,
   rtkit-daemon, accounts-daemon, gdm3, speech-dispatcher, gdomap,
   blueman-mechanism, and sysvipc.

 *

   The per-user configuration import now recognizes and sets up
   per-user service bundles for a whole lot more per-user services.

 *

   On FreeBSD/TrueOS systems |setup-machine-id| now writes
   |/usr/local/etc/machine-id|.

 *

   The userspace virtual terminal services, the multiplexor and the
   terminal emulators, no longer run under the aegis of the |daemon|
   system account.  Rather, they now have their own dedicated accounts
   under whose aegides they run.  To go with that, there is now a
   |user-vt-realizer| group to which users can be added to grant them
   realizer (i.e. front-end I/O) access to the system-wide userspace
   virtual terminals.

 *

   A common build problem across several toolsets that occurs if one
   has set a |CDPATH|, has been fixed.  Various tweaks have also been
   made to make life easier for Archnosh and ports to other operating
   systems.

djbwares version 7

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

djbwares is now at version 7.

 *

   http://jdebp.eu./Softwares/djbwares/

 *

   http://jdebp.info./Softwares/djbwares/

There are only a few changes.  A common build problem across several 
toolsets that occurs if one has set a |CDPATH|, has been fixed. 
|dnscache| now has a |FORWARDFIRST| mode.  And a bug in |tcpserver| that 
manifests itself when |tcpserver| inherits no open standard I/O file 
descriptors has been fixed.

redo version 1.4

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

redo is now at version 1.4

 * http://jdebp.eu./Softwares/redo/

The only change from 1.3 is a belt-and-braces protection mechanism that 
prevents cleanup code from being told to delete a parent directory.

Re: is this a bug of startx?

[David Wright]

On Sun 18 Feb 2018 at 03:20:11 (+), Long Wind wrote:
> maybe few users still use startx?at first i found some strange problems with 
> stretchand unable to run X
> now i'm able to describe the problemafter i install twm , i can't run 
> startxthen i create .xinitrc:
> xterm &
> twm
> and it solve the problem
> it seems that i must have a local .xinitrc

As mentioned in another thread just now, I run X with startx.
I've always stuck to the Debian Way™ which means using ~/.xsession
rather than ~/.xinitrc.

Stripped down to the essentials, my ~/.xsession consists of:

#!/bin/sh
exec /usr/bin/fvwm >| $HOME/.fvwm-stdout 2>| $HOME/.fvwm-stderr & WMPID=$!
xterm …
xterm …
swisswatch -title local -noshape
xconsole -name console -file /dev/xconsole -exitOnFail
xclock -strftime "%a %d"
# and so on
# wait for the window manager in the background to die
wait $WMPID

Cheers,
David.

Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[David Wright]

On Sat 17 Feb 2018 at 17:38:00 (-0800), David Christensen wrote:
> On 02/17/18 11:32, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >On 02/17/2018 01:19 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> >>On 02/17/18 04:46, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>>On 02/17/2018 01:57 AM, deloptes wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> >Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
> >It is routine for one machine to support multiple
> >independent terminals.
> >Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on
> >the host device.
> >
> >How might this be done?
> 
> Hi,
> first you write you want to have independent terminals on
> your machine and
> then you complain that the workspaces share same background icon.
> Can you clarify what you want to achieve.
> 
> If you want to configure your workspaces differently and
> want to use light
> weight desktop you could try TDE which is continuation of
> KDE3. There you
> can configure the background per workspace.
> 
> >>>
> >>>Asking on a local users group led to
> >>>   
> >>>which describes what triggered my thoughts.
> >>>It links to  
> >>>which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
> >>>user experience I want.
> >>>
> >>>In a related post here, Curt referred me to KDE's "activities"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>which links to
> >>>
> >>>,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>,
> >>>and
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>I've reading to do.
> >>>Thank you.
> >>
> >>Perhaps the Linux Terminal Server Project is what you seek (?):
> >>
> >>http://ltsp.org/
> >>
> >
> >I don't think so.
> >ALTHOUGH visualizing such a setup influenced how I phrased things.
> >The key difference for my use everything is in a single laptop.
> >Thanks.
> 
> Other ideas include:
> 
> 1.  Create additional user accounts and use different and/or
> customized desktop environments on each.

I don't know anything about logging in through a Display Manager
as I use startx and fvwm. However, as such, I can login on VC1
as usual and start my X session with its 20 "workspaces" (for want
of a better word).
I can then login (as myself) on VC2 and startx again and have
another X session ($DISPLAY is now :1) with another 20 workspaces.

I've always started X with:

$ type xxx
xxx is a function
xxx () 
{ 
local TIMESTAMP="$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S)";
[ -z "$1" ] && : >| "$HOME/.xsession-errors";
printf '%s\n' "zzzyyyxxx $HOSTNAME $TIMESTAMP" >>
"$HOME/.xsession-errors";
/usr/bin/X11/startx >> "$HOME/.xsession-errors" 2>&1 &
}
$ 

so I started the second X session with
$ xxx x
to make both X servers share $HOME/.xsession-errors.

It would be a simple matter to sidestep this issue in the same
way as starts does, by testing
 [ -e "/tmp/.X$d-lock" -o -S "/tmp/.X11-unix/X$d" ]
to see what's currently running and then naming the log files
differently. Ditto for .fvwm-std{err,out}.

Naturally, the .xsession* and .fvwm/* files (whichever one uses)
could also take account of the $DISPLAY value to determine
which applications should be made available in each X server.

> 2.  Install a hypervisor (e.g. VirtualBox, KVM, Xen, VMware, etc.)
> and run one or more virtual machines, each different and/or
> customized.

More than I know how to do.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[David Christensen]

On 02/17/18 11:32, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 02/17/2018 01:19 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 02/17/18 04:46, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 02/17/2018 01:57 AM, deloptes wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent 
terminals.
Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host 
device.


How might this be done?


Hi,
first you write you want to have independent terminals on your 
machine and

then you complain that the workspaces share same background icon.
Can you clarify what you want to achieve.

If you want to configure your workspaces differently and want to use 
light
weight desktop you could try TDE which is continuation of KDE3. 
There you

can configure the background per workspace.



Asking on a local users group led to
   
which describes what triggered my thoughts.
It links to  
which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
user experience I want.

In a related post here, Curt referred me to KDE's "activities"

 


which links to

, 



, 
and

   

I've reading to do.
Thank you.


Perhaps the Linux Terminal Server Project is what you seek (?):

http://ltsp.org/



I don't think so.
ALTHOUGH visualizing such a setup influenced how I phrased things.
The key difference for my use everything is in a single laptop.
Thanks.


Other ideas include:

1.  Create additional user accounts and use different and/or customized 
desktop environments on each.


2.  Install a hypervisor (e.g. VirtualBox, KVM, Xen, VMware, etc.) and 
run one or more virtual machines, each different and/or customized.



David

Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 17 February 2018 19:48:20 Rodary Jacques wrote:

> Le samedi 17 février 2018, 16:20:06 CET Roger Price a écrit :
> > I am trying to net install stretch i386 on an EeePC using a wired
> > connection. I chose my ISP as the mirror, but the installation hangs
> > on "Configure the packet management tool (APT)" [french text reads
> > "Configurer l'outil de gestion des paquets (APT)"].
> >
> > I checked on my regular box that stretch i386 is available at
> > debian.proxad.net
> >
> >   rprice@maria ~ wget --no-verbose
> > http://debian.proxad.net/debian/dists/stretch/Release -O - |
> > grep -E '^(Suite|Codename|Architectures):'
> >   Suite: stable
> >   Codename: stretch
> >   Architectures: amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mips64el mipsel
> > ppc64el s390x
> >
> > but on the EeePC with Ctl-Alt-F3 I get
> >
> >   ~ # wget --no-verbose
> > http://debian.proxad.net/debian/dists/stretch/Release -O - |
> > grep -E '^(Suite|Codename|Architectures):'
> >   wget: unable to resolve host address 'debian.proxad.net'
> >
> > Command « ip address » shows that the EeePC has been assigned the
> > correct IP address 10.218.0.100, and /etc/resolv.conf correctly
> > points to the router as the DNS resolver:
> >
> >   ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
> >   search rogerprice.org
> >   nameserver 10.218.0.1
> >
> > I am using the same router and the same name server to post this
> > message. Any suggestion or hint for fixing the installation would be
> > most welcome,
> >
> > Roger
>
> I had this kind of problem with free (i.e. proxad) repository which
> isn't any more (bust was in 2016) on the mirror list, and had to
> replace it with  -not a ftp server-
> in /etc/apt/sources.list. Salut. Jacques

debian.proxad.net pings just fine from a stretch install on an arm64 
machine:
rock64@rock64:/media/slash/home/rock64$ ping debian.proxad.net
PING debian.proxad.net (212.27.32.66) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from debian.proxad.net (212.27.32.66): icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 
time=107 ms
64 bytes from debian.proxad.net (212.27.32.66): icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 
time=105 ms
64 bytes from debian.proxad.net (212.27.32.66): icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 
time=105 ms
64 bytes from debian.proxad.net (212.27.32.66): icmp_seq=4 ttl=50 
time=107 ms
^C
--- debian.proxad.net ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3003ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 105.046/106.442/107.576/1.100 ms

Something is wrong with his gateway, or dns.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 17 February 2018 18:35:10 Brian wrote:

> On Sat 17 Feb 2018 at 18:27:57 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 17 February 2018 18:13:33 Brian wrote:
> > > On Sat 17 Feb 2018 at 22:21:49 +0100, Roger Price wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 17 Feb 2018, Brian wrote:
> > > > > >  ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
> > > > > >  search rogerprice.org
> > > > > >  nameserver 10.218.0.1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am using the same router and the same name server to post
> > > > > > this message.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would try pinging www.debian.org and anywhere else you can
> > > > > think of. Or edit resolv.conf to have 8.8.8.8 (a Google
> > > > > nameserver).
> > > >
> > > > I edited /etc/resolv.conf but no success:
> > > >
> > > >  ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
> > > >  search rogerprice.org
> > > >  nameserver 8.8.8.8
> > > >  ~ # ping -c3 debian.proxad.net
> > > >  ping: bad address 'debian.proxad.net'
> > >
> > > debian.proxad.net is 212.27.32.6. If you ping that?
> >
> > Yes, works great even from a rock64 out in the garage.
> > Do a "sudo route -n" and see if you get a valid gateway, "UG"
> > address. Then describe your hardware arrangement precisely please
>
> sudo isn't installed within the installer environment,

Is route then within the users $PATH? It is not on that particular 
stretch machine, so I either have to know the full path, or use sudo to 
execute it.


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Rodary Jacques]

Le samedi 17 février 2018, 16:20:06 CET Roger Price a écrit :
> I am trying to net install stretch i386 on an EeePC using a wired connection. 
> I 
> chose my ISP as the mirror, but the installation hangs on "Configure the 
> packet 
> management tool (APT)" [french text reads "Configurer l'outil de gestion des 
> paquets (APT)"].
> 
> I checked on my regular box that stretch i386 is available at 
> debian.proxad.net
> 
>   rprice@maria ~ wget --no-verbose
> http://debian.proxad.net/debian/dists/stretch/Release -O - | grep -E
> '^(Suite|Codename|Architectures):'
>   Suite: stable
>   Codename: stretch
>   Architectures: amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mips64el mipsel ppc64el 
> s390x
> 
> but on the EeePC with Ctl-Alt-F3 I get
> 
>   ~ # wget --no-verbose
> http://debian.proxad.net/debian/dists/stretch/Release -O - | grep -E
> '^(Suite|Codename|Architectures):'
>   wget: unable to resolve host address 'debian.proxad.net'
> 
> Command « ip address » shows that the EeePC has been assigned the correct IP 
> address 10.218.0.100, and /etc/resolv.conf correctly points to the router as 
> the 
> DNS resolver:
> 
>   ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
>   search rogerprice.org
>   nameserver 10.218.0.1
> 
> I am using the same router and the same name server to post this message. Any 
> suggestion or hint for fixing the installation would be most welcome,
>
> Roger
I had this kind of problem with free (i.e. proxad) repository which isn't any 
more (bust was in 2016) on the mirror list, 
and had to replace it with  -not a ftp 
server- in /etc/apt/sources.list.
Salut. Jacques

Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Brian]

On Sat 17 Feb 2018 at 18:27:57 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Saturday 17 February 2018 18:13:33 Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Sat 17 Feb 2018 at 22:21:49 +0100, Roger Price wrote:
> > > On Sat, 17 Feb 2018, Brian wrote:
> > > > >  ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
> > > > >  search rogerprice.org
> > > > >  nameserver 10.218.0.1
> > > > >
> > > > > I am using the same router and the same name server to post this
> > > > > message.
> > > >
> > > > I would try pinging www.debian.org and anywhere else you can think
> > > > of. Or edit resolv.conf to have 8.8.8.8 (a Google nameserver).
> > >
> > > I edited /etc/resolv.conf but no success:
> > >
> > >  ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
> > >  search rogerprice.org
> > >  nameserver 8.8.8.8
> > >  ~ # ping -c3 debian.proxad.net
> > >  ping: bad address 'debian.proxad.net'
> >
> > debian.proxad.net is 212.27.32.6. If you ping that?
> 
> Yes, works great even from a rock64 out in the garage.
> Do a "sudo route -n" and see if you get a valid gateway, "UG" address.
> Then describe your hardware arrangement precisely please

sudo isn't installed within the installer environment,

-- 
Brian.

Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 17 February 2018 18:13:33 Brian wrote:

> On Sat 17 Feb 2018 at 22:21:49 +0100, Roger Price wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Feb 2018, Brian wrote:
> > > >  ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
> > > >  search rogerprice.org
> > > >  nameserver 10.218.0.1
> > > >
> > > > I am using the same router and the same name server to post this
> > > > message.
> > >
> > > I would try pinging www.debian.org and anywhere else you can think
> > > of. Or edit resolv.conf to have 8.8.8.8 (a Google nameserver).
> >
> > I edited /etc/resolv.conf but no success:
> >
> >  ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
> >  search rogerprice.org
> >  nameserver 8.8.8.8
> >  ~ # ping -c3 debian.proxad.net
> >  ping: bad address 'debian.proxad.net'
>
> debian.proxad.net is 212.27.32.6. If you ping that?

Yes, works great even from a rock64 out in the garage.
Do a "sudo route -n" and see if you get a valid gateway, "UG" address.
Then describe your hardware arrangement precisely please



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Brian]

On Sat 17 Feb 2018 at 22:21:49 +0100, Roger Price wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Feb 2018, Brian wrote:
> 
> > >  ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
> > >  search rogerprice.org
> > >  nameserver 10.218.0.1
> > > 
> > > I am using the same router and the same name server to post this message.
> > 
> > I would try pinging www.debian.org and anywhere else you can think of.
> > Or edit resolv.conf to have 8.8.8.8 (a Google nameserver).
> 
> I edited /etc/resolv.conf but no success:
> 
>  ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
>  search rogerprice.org
>  nameserver 8.8.8.8
>  ~ # ping -c3 debian.proxad.net
>  ping: bad address 'debian.proxad.net'

debian.proxad.net is 212.27.32.6. If you ping that?

-- 
Brian.

troubleshooting Kmail

[ernst doubt]

Ernst,

Things that come to mind...
The way IMAP works is e-mail is delivered to the mail server (google/gmail, is 
what I think you said). Your client (kmail, thunderbird, etc) reads an email 
message from the server. Then, depending on configuration, the message is saved 
or deleted?  So, check your configuration to be sure that the IMAP server  is 
configured to leave mail on the server after being read.
Also, have you checked that the version of kmail is the same on both 
computers?

Mark

Have you ckecked the version of each instance of kmail?



Mark,
   Thanks much for your reply. I apologize for breaking the threading, but I 
don't think i succeeded at getting things right when replying to the mailing 
list via the web archive.

  I've always been careful to configure my IMAP client(s) to leave messages on 
the server, but to be sure,  I have verified (via the gmail web interface) that 
no client is removing messages from the server for this account. It's really 
strange because up until Jan 30th incoming mail was still arriving at the 
problematic Kmail client (and I still have access to messages on or prior to 
that date in that client).

  I was pretty sure that both versions are identical (as I'm running vanilla 
stretch on both machines) but to be sure I've just verified that fact (5.2.3 in 
both cases).

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Re: [ROFL] cross product [CAVEAT LECTOR] -- Re: [likely out of luck]

[John Hasler]

You can map it all to two dimensions.  I can think of my system as
consisting a square array of 4 workspaces each subdivided into 16
panes so that becomes an 8x8 array of panes.  I find the 3D view more
convenient, though.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 17 February 2018 16:21:49 Roger Price wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Feb 2018, Brian wrote:
> >>  ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
> >>  search rogerprice.org
> >>  nameserver 10.218.0.1
> >>
> >> I am using the same router and the same name server to post this
> >> message.
> >
> > I would try pinging www.debian.org and anywhere else you can think
> > of. Or edit resolv.conf to have 8.8.8.8 (a Google nameserver).
>
> I edited /etc/resolv.conf but no success:
>
>   ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
>   search rogerprice.org
>   nameserver 8.8.8.8
>   ~ # ping -c3 debian.proxad.net
>   ping: bad address 'debian.proxad.net'
>
> Roger
Does the resolv.conf still contain that data?



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: [likely out of luck]

[John Hasler]

 Thomas Schmitt writes:
> So the visible window title might be a good first guess.

That usually works, but be careful.  Some ornery applications ignore
Unix and X11 conventions and resources and/or retitle themselves.
Firefox is a prime example.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [ROFL] cross product [CAVEAT LECTOR]

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

> Any one familiar with "Flatland" ?

Obviously stolen from Futurama by temporal espionage.
  
https://i1.wp.com/37prime.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Futurama-2-D-Blacktop.jpg


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

[ROFL] cross product [CAVEAT LECTOR] -- Re: [likely out of luck]

[Richard Owlett]

If you think that subject line is weird
  U B right
It was intentional ;/

I just closed tooo many windows.

Someone had just referred me to two Wikipedia articles with 
2-dimensional pictorial representations of a multi-dimensional problem.


Any one familiar with "Flatland" ?

This is  placeholder until I recover ;/

Re: [likely out of luck]

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

John Hasler wrote:
> An icon is a window.  Windows are only sticky if you make them so.

Ahum ... i see this line in my configuration
  Style   "*" StickyIcon
and man fvwm says
  StickyIcon makes the window sticky when it's iconified.
  It de-iconifies on top the active desktop.  SlipperyIcon
  reverts back to the default.

So
  Style richards-matrix-algebra SlipperyIcon
would confine the icon of program richards-matrix-algebra to the screen
where it was iconified.

Question is how to determine the program name.
man fvwm says:
  Style stylename options ...
stylename can be a window's name, class, visible name, or
resource string.  It may contain the wildcards '*' and '?',
which are matched in the usual Unix filename manner.
So the visible window title might be a good first guess.

There are 9000+ interesting text lines more in man fvwm.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[mark]

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:59:53 PM EST ernst doubt wrote:
> I sent a similar message to debian-kde this morning, but it appears there's
> not much activity there, so I figured I'd also try here.
> 
> I've been a debian GNU/linux user (I like KDE for my desktop, though I
> generally keep openbox (and gnome) available as "fallbacks") for quite some
> time now (decades at least) and am in general a very happy user. I've been
> using  both thunderbird and claws-mail as IMAP clients for some time, but
> recently (a few months ago) I set up Kmail (and I like it very much, as
> integration with gnupg was relatively painless). I am again using it as an
> IMAP client (with this gmail address). I have two computers, both running
> debian 9 stretch. On one of them (the laptop), Kmail is functioning
> properly, but on the desktop machine which I'm writing from now, incoming
> email has not been appearing since the end of January. I don't see any
> obvious menu entries which would give me access to log files in order to
> try to troubleshoot the problem, so I'm looking for any advice as to how I
> might go about correcting the issue so this instance of Kmail can again
> receive email (it's possible that the problem is as simple as an
> incorrectly entered password though I've just attempted to reenter it with
> no improvement in mail fetching behavior). I'm not currently subscribed to
> this list, so CCing me is perfectly fine (though I'll monitor the web
> archives for responses on which I may not be CCed).
> 
>thanks so much in advance for any clues anyone may have to share with me,
> ~c

Ernst,

Things that come to mind...
The way IMAP works is e-mail is delivered to the mail server (google/gmail, is 
what I think you said). Your client (kmail, thunderbird, etc) reads an email 
message from the server. Then, depending on configuration, the message is saved 
or deleted?  So, check your configuration to be sure that the IMAP server  is 
configured to leave mail on the server after being read.
Also, have you checked that the version of kmail is the same on both 
computers?

Mark

Have you ckecked the version of each instance of kmail?

requesting assistance troubleshooting Kmail

[charlie derr]

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Apologies if this turns out to be a duplicate message. I tried to send
to the list using my problematic Kmail client (and a message appeared
in my sent mail folder) but so far I don't see it having posted when I
look at the web archives for debian-user.

I sent a similar message to debian-kde this morning, but it appears
there's not much activity there, so I figured I'd also try here.

I've been a debian GNU/linux user (I like KDE for my desktop, though I 
generally keep openbox (and gnome) available as "fallbacks") for quite
some time now (decades at least) and am in general a very happy user.
I've been using  both thunderbird and claws-mail as IMAP clients for
some time, but recently (a few months ago) I set up Kmail (and I like
it very much, as integration with gnupg was relatively painless). I am
again using it as an IMAP client (with a different gmail address). I
have two computers, both running debian 9 stretch. On one of them (the
laptop), Kmail is functioning properly, but on the desktop machine
which I'm writing from now, incoming email has not been appearing since
the end of January. I don't see any obvious menu entries which would
give me access to log files in order to try to troubleshoot the
problem, so I'm looking for any advice as to how I might go about
correcting the issue so this instance of Kmail can again receive email
(it's possible that the problem is as simple as an incorrectly entered
password though I've just attempted to reenter it with no improvement
in mail fetching behavior). I'm not currently subscribed to this list,
so CCing me is perfectly fine (though I'll monitor the web archives for
responses on which I may not be CCed).

   thanks so much in advance for any information anyone may have to
   share with me, 

 ~c
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Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Roger Price]

On Sat, 17 Feb 2018, Brian wrote:


 ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
 search rogerprice.org
 nameserver 10.218.0.1

I am using the same router and the same name server to post this message.


I would try pinging www.debian.org and anywhere else you can think of.
Or edit resolv.conf to have 8.8.8.8 (a Google nameserver).


I edited /etc/resolv.conf but no success:

 ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
 search rogerprice.org
 nameserver 8.8.8.8
 ~ # ping -c3 debian.proxad.net
 ping: bad address 'debian.proxad.net'

Roger

Re: [likely out of luck]

[John Hasler]

Thomas Schmitt writes:
> It seems you are looking for non-sticky icons.  I'm not sure whether i
> could talk fvwm2 into doing that.

An icon is a window.  Windows are only sticky if you make them so.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Roger Price]

On Sat, 17 Feb 2018, Curt wrote:


On 2018-02-17, Reco  wrote:


First, please don't get me wrong, but can you provide the output of
(regular box, of course):
wget -S --spider https://wiki.debian.org
There have been some reports from people using your ISP that this page
does not work for them somehow, and I'm too lazy to travel to France to
check it out :)


Here I am conveniently in France:

curty@einstein:~$ wget -S --spider https://wiki.debian.org
...
 HTTP/1.1 403 FORBIDDEN
...


As a subscriber to the french ISP Free, I get that same output for wget, however 
I can read the page successfully with the four browsers lynx, w3m, opera and 
firefox, and command « nmap -A wiki.debian.org » reports


 Starting Nmap 7.40 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2018-02-17 21:30 CET
 Nmap scan report for wiki.debian.org (82.195.75.112)
 Host is up (0.056s latency).
 Other addresses for wiki.debian.org (not scanned):
 2001:41b8:202:deb:6564:a62:52c3:4b70
 rDNS record for 82.195.75.112: wilder.debian.org
 Not shown: 989 closed ports
 PORT STATESERVICE  VERSION
 22/tcp   open ssh  OpenSSH 7.4p1 Debian 10+deb9u2 (protocol 2.0)
 | ssh-hostkey:
 |_  2048 7a:d8:5c:e4:e5:38:6b:6b:d0:5c:c2:87:8e:d6:05:b3 (RSA)
 80/tcp   open http Apache httpd
 |_http-server-header: Apache
 |_http-title: Did not follow redirect to https://wiki.debian.org/
 135/tcp  filtered msrpc
 139/tcp  filtered netbios-ssn
 443/tcp  open ssl/http Apache httpd
 | http-robots.txt: 1 disallowed entry
 |_/action/
 |_http-server-header: Apache
 |_http-title: FrontPage - Debian Wiki
 | ssl-cert: Subject: commonName=wiki.debian.org
 | Subject Alternative Name: DNS:wiki.debian.org
 | Not valid before: 2017-12-28T00:22:24
 |_Not valid after:  2018-03-28T00:22:24
 |_ssl-date: TLS randomness does not represent time
 445/tcp  filtered microsoft-ds
 873/tcp  open rsync(protocol version 31)
 1026/tcp filtered LSA-or-nterm
 1027/tcp filtered IIS
 1433/tcp filtered ms-sql-s
 1723/tcp filtered pptp

Perhaps wget is getting special treatment.

Roger

Re: [likely out of luck]

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm getting the impression that:
>  1. a window manager can manage several desktops.
>  2. each desktop may or may not have an associated desktop environment.

Be careful with the term "desktop". It is used in several differing
meanings. From "screenful of stuff" to "highly integrated and complete GUI".


>   2. all could be different configurations of MATE such that
> a. one desktop would only have program icons for creating
>documents.
> b. one would only have program icons for doing matrix algebra.
> c. one would only have program icons for web browsing and email.

It seems you are looking for non-sticky icons.
I'm not sure whether i could talk fvwm2 into doing that.

Maybe you should look for some GUI construction set by which you can build
simple GUI programs which offer buttons to start the desired programs
like icons would do.
Each screen would get its own such program. Non-sticky, of course.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: [likely out of luck]

[David Wright]

On Sat 17 Feb 2018 at 13:22:52 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 02/17/2018 10:13 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> >Google for "fvwm2rc". It is rewarding to add the word "examples".
> >
> >My experience with installing Debian package fvwm2 two years ago would
> >have been much worse if i did not have the file ~/.fvwm2rc from my eight
> >year older workstation. Actually i carry it from system to system since
> >a SuSE installation in year 2000.

I'd probably agree with you. Actually, it's about time I rerevised
my ~/.fvwm/config and family. It still starts with:

# Configuration file for FVWM 2.xx originally by Lars Wirzenius
# modifications by Julian Gilbey , copyright March 1999
# adopeted for fvwm 2.4 by Alexander Kotelnikov  August 2001
[sic  ↑]

> >Fvwm is not a desktop like KDE or Gnome but rather a window manager,
> >which nowadays is only a smaller part of the desktop goals.
> >It offers no GUI library and thus has no fat applications depending on it.
> >If you use KDE or Gnome applications then you pull in half of their very
> >many libraries.
> >
> >Fvwm is software for people who don't want look-and-feel to change for
> >the mere reason that another decade went by.
> >One has to customize it by editing the configuration file, not by
> >drag-and-drop. It is best used with a zillion xterm windows and a few
> >inavoidable GUI programs like web browser or PDF reader.
> >
> >I simply love it.
> >
> 
> This is a general question about the relationship of "window
> managers" and "desktop environments".
> 
> I'm getting the impression that:
>   1. a window manager can manage several desktops.

There's room for enormous confusion with terminology here.
Desks, desktops, pages, panes, panels, screens, viewports, windows:
these are all parts of fvwm or have been used somewhere to describe
it. They don't map straight onto the same words as used by other
WMs and DEs.

>   2. each desktop may or may not have an associated desktop environment.

That's kind of the inverse. A typical DE will have, as part of it, a
window manager of some sort, to manage its windows, duh. But it'll
have a lot more, and as you have read here in the recent past, there's
a tendency of DEs to feel that they have to manage the entire system
on their own terms, negating many of the traditions that we have
"grown up with". (Even those of us that came to unix late, like linux.)

A typical WM is a much lighter affair (and the laptop I'm currently
typing on is about the first PC I've had that wouldn't be completely
overwhelmed by a DE installation.

> If a window manager launches 3 desktops:
>   1. there need not be any relationship between the 3 desktop
>  environments.
>   2. all could be different configurations of MATE such that
>  a. one desktop would only have program icons for creating
> documents.
>  b. one would only have program icons for doing matrix algebra.
>  c. one would only have program icons for web browsing and email.
> 
> How many fallacies or misunderstanding above?

That sounds like what you're gunning for, but I wouldn't know how
to achieve it. I don't use icons¹ but xterms. They're scattered over
a large 5x4 desktop so I'm looking at 1/20th of it at any time.
I use them in a fairly disciplined way, so the top row tend to be
ssh'd to my headless server, where I typing this email.
The rightmost column has my browsers (me at the top, for finance etc,
next is my general browser as a different user) and various monitors,
players and tools. If I need a local root session, I use /bin/su -
in the bottom left corner.

A lot of the xterms will be running mc, and a few might be running
emacs -nw. Windowed emacsen will have their own windows in addition,
as will xpdf instances, images, and so on.

Some things "stick" to the screen whichever part of the desktop I'm
on, like the swissclock and date, and of course the pager. The last
is in a small window that also has buttons for screenshots, ditto
after a ten-second wait (to capture things like dragging in action),
and video capture.

When I had a real job, I had a lower resolution 2x2 desktop on
old junk VDU for ssh connections to university servers (ie anything
I didn't administer) including for mutt (and before that, Pine).

Summing up, work is arranged geographically over the desktop, with
a tiny representation of everything on the pager in the corner.
One doesn't spend time watching animations of windows maximising
and minimising back and forth.

¹ unless I accidentally iconify it.

Cheers,
David.

troubleshooting Kmail

[ernst doubt]

I sent a similar message to debian-kde this morning, but it appears there's 
not much activity there, so I figured I'd also try here.

I've been a debian GNU/linux user (I like KDE for my desktop, though I 
generally keep openbox (and gnome) available as "fallbacks") for quite some 
time now (decades at least) and am in general a very happy user. I've been 
using  both thunderbird and claws-mail as IMAP clients for some time, but 
recently (a few months ago) I set up Kmail (and I like it very much, as 
integration with gnupg was relatively painless). I am again using it as an 
IMAP client (with this gmail address). I have two computers, both running 
debian 9 stretch. On one of them (the laptop), Kmail is functioning properly, 
but on the desktop machine which I'm writing from now, incoming email has not 
been appearing since the end of January. I don't see any obvious menu
entries which would give me access to log files in order to try to
troubleshoot the problem, so I'm looking for any advice as to how I
might go about correcting the issue so this instance of Kmail can again
receive email (it's possible that the problem is as simple as an
incorrectly entered password though I've just attempted to reenter it with no 
improvement in mail fetching behavior). I'm not currently subscribed to this 
list, so CCing me is perfectly fine (though I'll monitor the web archives for
responses on which I may not be CCed).

   thanks so much in advance for any clues anyone may have to share with me,
~c

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Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Andy Smith]

Hello,

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 10:34:10PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> Weird, isn't it? Someone responsible to wiki.debian.org blocked the
> whole 78.192.0.0/10 subnet (AS12322), so it seems.

In  it
was suggested to report such things to w...@debian.org.

Cheers,
Andy

Re: [likely out of luck]

[John Hasler]

See 

and 

The basic difference, though, is that a desktop environment tries to
enforce uniformity and coordinated aesthetics on all applications in the
Microsoft and Apple way while a window manager manages windows.

Look at fvwm-crystal.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 06:52:43PM +, Curt wrote:
> On 2018-02-17, Reco  wrote:
> >
> > First, please don't get me wrong, but can you provide the output of
> > (regular box, of course):
> >
> > wget -S --spider https://wiki.debian.org
> >
> > There have been some reports from people using your ISP that this page
> > does not work for them somehow, and I'm too lazy to travel to France to
> > check it out :)
> >
> 
> Here I am conveniently in France:

Thank you.

> 
> curty@einstein:~$ wget -S --spider https://wiki.debian.org
> Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists.
> --2018-02-17 19:52:06--  https://wiki.debian.org/
> Resolving wiki.debian.org (wiki.debian.org)... 82.195.75.112, 
> 2001:41b8:202:deb:6564:a62:52c3:4b70
> Connecting to wiki.debian.org (wiki.debian.org)|82.195.75.112|:443... 
> connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 
>   HTTP/1.1 403 FORBIDDEN
>   Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:52:06 GMT
>   Server: Apache
>   X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
>   X-Frame-Options: sameorigin
>   Referrer-Policy: no-referrer
>   X-Xss-Protection: 1
>   Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=15552000
>   Public-Key-Pins: pin-sha256="yPqY/77C2aLVJIEAYtuMrFy+cX6g4CatH03gcBQbxpo="; 
> pin-sha256="TzmD7DK6d5d7RU66/XTJtlENSfv+i0P7x2Xmpl8uFrY="; max-age=5184000
>   Content-Length: 166
>   X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett
>   Keep-Alive: timeout=5, max=100
>   Connection: Keep-Alive
>   Content-Type: text/html
> Remote file does not exist -- broken link!!!
> 
> I surfed the wiki the other day, no problemo, but "HTTP/1.1 403 FORBIDDEN"?

Weird, isn't it? Someone responsible to wiki.debian.org blocked the
whole 78.192.0.0/10 subnet (AS12322), so it seems.

Reco

Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/17/2018 01:19 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 02/17/18 04:46, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 02/17/2018 01:57 AM, deloptes wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent 
terminals.
Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host 
device.


How might this be done?


Hi,
first you write you want to have independent terminals on your 
machine and

then you complain that the workspaces share same background icon.
Can you clarify what you want to achieve.

If you want to configure your workspaces differently and want to use 
light
weight desktop you could try TDE which is continuation of KDE3. There 
you

can configure the background per workspace.



Asking on a local users group led to
   
which describes what triggered my thoughts.
It links to  
which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
user experience I want.

In a related post here, Curt referred me to KDE's "activities"


which links to

, 



, 
and

   

I've reading to do.
Thank you.


Perhaps the Linux Terminal Server Project is what you seek (?):

http://ltsp.org/



I don't think so.
ALTHOUGH visualizing such a setup influenced how I phrased things.
The key difference for my use everything is in a single laptop.
Thanks.

Re: (deb-cat) Ethernet I219-LM em deixa de funcionar

[Josep Lladonosa]

2018-02-17 19:30 GMT+01:00 Josep Lladonosa :

>
>
> 2018-02-17 17:11 GMT+01:00 Narcis Garcia :
>
>> Després d'aquest temps, considero resolt el primer problema, ja que
>> aquesta interfície de xarxa no dóna el més mínim problema des de
>> l'actualització del controlador.
>>
>> Només falta la manera de què el controlador actualitzat s'apliqui a les
>> noves versions de nucli que vinguin per actualitzacions.
>>
>
>
> Podries usar dkms. Crec que seguint això podries aconseguir alguna cosa:
>
> http://tomoconnor.eu/blogish/building-dkms-package-latest-
> intel-e1000e-driver/
>
>
>
>
Un altre lloc on en parlen:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/2mwzlj/newer_e1000e_driver_with_1404/

D'aquí en pots treure el dkms.conf que, juntament amb les fonts del
controlador, pots fer que, cada cop que instal·lis una nova versió de
nucli, el controlador es compili per a aquella versió
i quedi afegit al nucli.

Val a dir que pot arribar a passar que en una actualització a una versió de
nucli important (de 3.14.x a 3.15.x, per exemple), la compilació del
controlador pugui fallar i aleshores cal cercar un pegat (patch) per tal
d'adequar-lo a la versió de nucli més recent...

La llàstima és que en els repositoris de Debian no hi hagi el dkms per a
aquest controlador. Per a d'altres sí que hi és (per exemple, el
broadcom-sta que tinc en algun portàtil).

Salutacions,
Josep




>
>
>
>>
>>
>> El 15/02/18 a les 10:50, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
>> > De moment, m'he apuntat aquesta recepta solventant fins i tot un
>> > problema del «Makefile» del mateix projecte:
>> >
>> > 0. Install build/compiler tools:
>> > sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-amd64
>> >
>> > 1. Download latest stable version from:
>> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/
>> >
>> > 2. Unpack:
>> > tar zxf e1000e-*.tar.gz
>> >
>> > 3. Compile and install:
>> > cd e1000e-*/src/
>> > sudo make install
>> >
>> > 3.1. If it fails with "cc1: error: code model kernel does not support
>> > PIC mode"
>> > # Find in Makefile ( e1000e/src/Makefile , Line ~152) =>
>> > EXTRA_CFLAGS += $(CFLAGS_EXTRA)
>> > # Insert a new line after that => EXTRA_CFLAGS += -fno-pie
>> > sudo make install
>> >
>> > 4. Where is the binary installed:
>> > find /lib/modules | grep -e '/e1000e\.ko$'
>> > /lib/modules/4.9.0-5-amd64/updates/drivers/net/ethernet/inte
>> l/e1000e/e1000e.ko
>> > /lib/modules/updates/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
>> >
>> > 5. Updated boot-embedded driver:
>> > sudo update-initramfs -u
>> >
>> >
>> > Els diferents e1000e.ko generats no són iguals.
>> > Com que veig que no es crea automàticament per cada nucli (com el
>> > 4.9.0-4 que també hi ha instal·lat),
>> > EL QUÈ EM QUEDA ARA, és trobar la manera que tot això es posi com cal el
>> > dia que actualitzi el sistema (a Linux 4.9.0-6 per exemple) sense haver
>> > de recordar i recuperar tot el procediment manual.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > __
>> > I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
>> > masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
>> > should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
>> > El 07/02/18 a les 14:29, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
>> >> He descarregat el paquet linux-image-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 del
>> repositori
>> >> «backports» i veig que el mòdul-controlador que conté és de la mateixa
>> >> versió:
>> >> filename:
>> >> ./lib/modules/4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethern
>> et/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
>> >> version: 3.2.6-k
>> >>
>> >> El mateix amb el paquet linux-image-4.14.0-3-amd64 del repositori
>> >> sid/unstable:
>> >>
>> >> filename:
>> >> ./lib/modules/4.14.0-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/int
>> el/e1000e/e1000e.ko
>> >> version: 3.2.6-k
>> >>
>> >> La meva idea era reemplaçar solsament aquest fitxer, si fos possible
>> >> obtenir-lo ja compilat i compatible amb Debian 9. Igualment espero a
>> què
>> >> algú pugui comprovar que no és el cable el què falla, ja que els altres
>> >> 2 ordinadors bessons no tenen aquest problema.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> __
>> >> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
>> >> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
>> >> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
>> >> El 04/02/18 a les 19:52, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
>> >>> El controlador ve amb el paquet linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 i l'únic
>> >>> fitxer relacionat sembla ser:
>> >>> /lib/modules/4.9.0-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel
>> /e1000e/e1000e.ko
>> >>> No en sé veure la versió.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ara estic veient que els 3 ordinadors en qüestió no tenen exactament
>> el
>> >>> mateix problema. Només és un que no es recupera definitivament després
>> >>> de perdre l'estat «link ok».
>> >>>
>> >>> __
>> >>> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
>> >>> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive

Re: failed to set console font and keymap

[Curt]

On 2018-02-16, Anil Duggirala  wrote:
> All I did was change "us" for "gb" in my /etc/default/keyboard file. I
> am now getting a "failed to set console font and keymap" message at
> bootup. The default keymap appears to have been changed, and everything
> works well otherwise.
> please help.
>

Well, if everything works well, then the problem is the message (with
apologies to M. Mcluhan).

Maybe
 
 systemctl status console-setup.service

would be edifying. Or not.

-- 
New York was no mere city. It was instead an infinitely romantic notion, the
mysterious nexus of all love and money and power, the shining and the
perishable dream itself. To think of 'living' there was to reduce the
miraculous to the mundane; one does not 'live' at Xanadu. --Joan Didion

Re: [likely out of luck]

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/17/2018 10:13 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Hi,

Richard Owlet wrote:

Is there a recommended site that gives
a good description of why and how one would use [FVWM] {similar to what

does for KDE}?


John Hasler wrote:

 is what there is.



That page prompted the question ;<


Google for "fvwm2rc". It is rewarding to add the word "examples".


My experience with installing Debian package fvwm2 two years ago would
have been much worse if i did not have the file ~/.fvwm2rc from my eight
year older workstation. Actually i carry it from system to system since
a SuSE installation in year 2000.

Fvwm is not a desktop like KDE or Gnome but rather a window manager,
which nowadays is only a smaller part of the desktop goals.
It offers no GUI library and thus has no fat applications depending on it.
If you use KDE or Gnome applications then you pull in half of their very
many libraries.

Fvwm is software for people who don't want look-and-feel to change for
the mere reason that another decade went by.
One has to customize it by editing the configuration file, not by
drag-and-drop. It is best used with a zillion xterm windows and a few
inavoidable GUI programs like web browser or PDF reader.

I simply love it.



This is a general question about the relationship of "window managers" 
and "desktop environments".


I'm getting the impression that:
  1. a window manager can manage several desktops.
  2. each desktop may or may not have an associated desktop environment.

If a window manager launches 3 desktops:
  1. there need not be any relationship between the 3 desktop
 environments.
  2. all could be different configurations of MATE such that
 a. one desktop would only have program icons for creating
documents.
 b. one would only have program icons for doing matrix algebra.
 c. one would only have program icons for web browsing and email.

How many fallacies or misunderstanding above?
TIA

Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[David Christensen]

On 02/17/18 04:46, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 02/17/2018 01:57 AM, deloptes wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent terminals.
Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host 
device.


How might this be done?


Hi,
first you write you want to have independent terminals on your machine 
and

then you complain that the workspaces share same background icon.
Can you clarify what you want to achieve.

If you want to configure your workspaces differently and want to use 
light

weight desktop you could try TDE which is continuation of KDE3. There you
can configure the background per workspace.



Asking on a local users group led to
   
which describes what triggered my thoughts.
It links to  
which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
user experience I want.

In a related post here, Curt referred me to KDE's "activities"


which links to

,

, 
and

   

I've reading to do.
Thank you.


Perhaps the Linux Terminal Server Project is what you seek (?):

http://ltsp.org/


David

Re: Debian New Guy

[Forest Dean Feighner]

I'm new to systemd/systemctl as well.

I had a long delay with NetworkManager-wait-online.service and the delay
referred me to systemctl

systemctl feels more like working with a database. Interesting system to
get acquainted with.



On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 1:54 PM, john doe  wrote:

> On 2/17/2018 1:53 PM, Jeffrin Jose wrote:
>
>> are you looking for path of a command ?  "whereis  systemctl"may be
>> "systemd" is starting point for all scripts during startupcheck "cd
>> /etc/init.d/"  which is atleast one place for startup scripts
>>
>>
> For service files:
>
> /lib/systemd/system
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>

Re: Firefox too slow when opening new window or typing in the URL

[Curt]

On 2018-02-17, deloptes  wrote:
>>
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings
>
> I tried this now, so it says in the first paragraph:
>
> If you're having problems with Firefox, refreshing it can help. The refresh
> feature fixes many issues by restoring Firefox to its default state while
> saving your essential information like bookmarks, passwords, and open tabs. 
>
> but all my passwords were wiped out :(

Passwords are stored in the 'key4.db' and 'logins.json' files. If those
files weren't inadvertently wiped out (the whole kit and caboodle of
your previous profile is normally saved somwhere when you refresh), you
should be able to retrieve them.

I found a python script on github that can extract them nicely, if you want to
keep them someplace safer (see my previous post here).

> bookmarks were preserved, but I want to keep my passwords ... not happy
>
> However behavior of firefox improved, so I'll need to find out how to
> export/import passwords and other stuff before resetting this.
>
> regards
>
>


-- 
New York was no mere city. It was instead an infinitely romantic notion, the
mysterious nexus of all love and money and power, the shining and the
perishable dream itself. To think of 'living' there was to reduce the
miraculous to the mundane; one does not 'live' at Xanadu. --Joan Didion

Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Curt]

On 2018-02-17, Reco  wrote:
>
> First, please don't get me wrong, but can you provide the output of
> (regular box, of course):
>
> wget -S --spider https://wiki.debian.org
>
> There have been some reports from people using your ISP that this page
> does not work for them somehow, and I'm too lazy to travel to France to
> check it out :)
>

Here I am conveniently in France:

curty@einstein:~$ wget -S --spider https://wiki.debian.org
Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists.
--2018-02-17 19:52:06--  https://wiki.debian.org/
Resolving wiki.debian.org (wiki.debian.org)... 82.195.75.112, 
2001:41b8:202:deb:6564:a62:52c3:4b70
Connecting to wiki.debian.org (wiki.debian.org)|82.195.75.112|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 
  HTTP/1.1 403 FORBIDDEN
  Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:52:06 GMT
  Server: Apache
  X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
  X-Frame-Options: sameorigin
  Referrer-Policy: no-referrer
  X-Xss-Protection: 1
  Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=15552000
  Public-Key-Pins: pin-sha256="yPqY/77C2aLVJIEAYtuMrFy+cX6g4CatH03gcBQbxpo="; 
pin-sha256="TzmD7DK6d5d7RU66/XTJtlENSfv+i0P7x2Xmpl8uFrY="; max-age=5184000
  Content-Length: 166
  X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett
  Keep-Alive: timeout=5, max=100
  Connection: Keep-Alive
  Content-Type: text/html
Remote file does not exist -- broken link!!!

I surfed the wiki the other day, no problemo, but "HTTP/1.1 403 FORBIDDEN"?




-- 
New York was no mere city. It was instead an infinitely romantic notion, the
mysterious nexus of all love and money and power, the shining and the
perishable dream itself. To think of 'living' there was to reduce the
miraculous to the mundane; one does not 'live' at Xanadu. --Joan Didion

Re: Debian New Guy

[john doe]

On 2/17/2018 1:53 PM, Jeffrin Jose wrote:

are you looking for path of a command ?  "whereis  systemctl"may be "systemd" is starting 
point for all scripts during startupcheck "cd /etc/init.d/"  which is atleast one place for startup 
scripts



For service files:

/lib/systemd/system

--
John Doe

Re: (deb-cat) Ethernet I219-LM em deixa de funcionar

[Josep Lladonosa]

2018-02-17 17:11 GMT+01:00 Narcis Garcia :

> Després d'aquest temps, considero resolt el primer problema, ja que
> aquesta interfície de xarxa no dóna el més mínim problema des de
> l'actualització del controlador.
>
> Només falta la manera de què el controlador actualitzat s'apliqui a les
> noves versions de nucli que vinguin per actualitzacions.
>


Podries usar dkms. Crec que seguint això podries aconseguir alguna cosa:

http://tomoconnor.eu/blogish/building-dkms-package-latest-intel-e1000e-driver/






>
>
> El 15/02/18 a les 10:50, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
> > De moment, m'he apuntat aquesta recepta solventant fins i tot un
> > problema del «Makefile» del mateix projecte:
> >
> > 0. Install build/compiler tools:
> > sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-amd64
> >
> > 1. Download latest stable version from:
> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/
> >
> > 2. Unpack:
> > tar zxf e1000e-*.tar.gz
> >
> > 3. Compile and install:
> > cd e1000e-*/src/
> > sudo make install
> >
> > 3.1. If it fails with "cc1: error: code model kernel does not support
> > PIC mode"
> > # Find in Makefile ( e1000e/src/Makefile , Line ~152) =>
> > EXTRA_CFLAGS += $(CFLAGS_EXTRA)
> > # Insert a new line after that => EXTRA_CFLAGS += -fno-pie
> > sudo make install
> >
> > 4. Where is the binary installed:
> > find /lib/modules | grep -e '/e1000e\.ko$'
> > /lib/modules/4.9.0-5-amd64/updates/drivers/net/ethernet/
> intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
> > /lib/modules/updates/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
> >
> > 5. Updated boot-embedded driver:
> > sudo update-initramfs -u
> >
> >
> > Els diferents e1000e.ko generats no són iguals.
> > Com que veig que no es crea automàticament per cada nucli (com el
> > 4.9.0-4 que també hi ha instal·lat),
> > EL QUÈ EM QUEDA ARA, és trobar la manera que tot això es posi com cal el
> > dia que actualitzi el sistema (a Linux 4.9.0-6 per exemple) sense haver
> > de recordar i recuperar tot el procediment manual.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __
> > I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> > masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
> > should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
> > El 07/02/18 a les 14:29, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
> >> He descarregat el paquet linux-image-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 del
> repositori
> >> «backports» i veig que el mòdul-controlador que conté és de la mateixa
> >> versió:
> >> filename:
> >> ./lib/modules/4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/
> ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
> >> version: 3.2.6-k
> >>
> >> El mateix amb el paquet linux-image-4.14.0-3-amd64 del repositori
> >> sid/unstable:
> >>
> >> filename:
> >> ./lib/modules/4.14.0-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/
> intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
> >> version: 3.2.6-k
> >>
> >> La meva idea era reemplaçar solsament aquest fitxer, si fos possible
> >> obtenir-lo ja compilat i compatible amb Debian 9. Igualment espero a què
> >> algú pugui comprovar que no és el cable el què falla, ja que els altres
> >> 2 ordinadors bessons no tenen aquest problema.
> >>
> >>
> >> __
> >> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> >> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
> >> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
> >> El 04/02/18 a les 19:52, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
> >>> El controlador ve amb el paquet linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 i l'únic
> >>> fitxer relacionat sembla ser:
> >>> /lib/modules/4.9.0-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/
> intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
> >>> No en sé veure la versió.
> >>>
> >>> Ara estic veient que els 3 ordinadors en qüestió no tenen exactament el
> >>> mateix problema. Només és un que no es recupera definitivament després
> >>> de perdre l'estat «link ok».
> >>>
> >>> __
> >>> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> >>> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
> >>> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
> >>>
> >>> El 04/02/18 a les 13:36, Josep Lladonosa ha escrit:
>  Narcís, mira't això!
> 
>  https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/3.3.6/
> 
>  Sembla que t'has trobat amb un bug que s'ha resolt en la versió 3.3.6
>  del controlador e1000e. Val a dir que ara van per la 3.4.0.2.
> 
>  https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/3.4.0.2/
> 
>  Quina versió tens tu?
> 
> 
>  2018-02-04 13:01 GMT+01:00 Josep Lladonosa   >:
> 
>  Hola, Narcís,
> 
>  Apunt:
>  Si el controlador es troba com a mòdul, potser es pot eliminar el
>  mòdul (rmmod) i tornar-lo a incorporar (modprobe) per tal d'evitar
>  de fer reboot. Si torna a funcionar aleshores podries determinar
> que
>  sí que és el controlador.
> 
>  

Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Brian]

On Sat 17 Feb 2018 at 16:20:06 +0100, Roger Price wrote:

> I am trying to net install stretch i386 on an EeePC using a wired
> connection. I chose my ISP as the mirror, but the installation hangs on
> "Configure the packet management tool (APT)" [french text reads "Configurer
> l'outil de gestion des paquets (APT)"].
> 
> I checked on my regular box that stretch i386 is available at 
> debian.proxad.net
> 
>  rprice@maria ~ wget --no-verbose
>http://debian.proxad.net/debian/dists/stretch/Release -O - | grep -E
>'^(Suite|Codename|Architectures):'
>  Suite: stable
>  Codename: stretch
>  Architectures: amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mips64el mipsel ppc64el 
> s390x

That works for me too.
 
> but on the EeePC with Ctl-Alt-F3 I get
> 
>  ~ # wget --no-verbose
>http://debian.proxad.net/debian/dists/stretch/Release -O - | grep -E
>'^(Suite|Codename|Architectures):'
>  wget: unable to resolve host address 'debian.proxad.net'
> 
> Command « ip address » shows that the EeePC has been assigned the correct IP
> address 10.218.0.100, and /etc/resolv.conf correctly points to the router as
> the DNS resolver:
> 
>  ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
>  search rogerprice.org
>  nameserver 10.218.0.1
> 
> I am using the same router and the same name server to post this message.
> Any suggestion or hint for fixing the installation would be most welcome,

I would try pinging www.debian.org and anywhere else you can think of.
Or edit resolv.conf to have 8.8.8.8 (a Google nameserver).

-- 
Brian.

Re: Firefox too slow when opening new window or typing in the URL

[deloptes]

Liam O'Toole wrote:

> On 2018-02-17, deloptes  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Might be I need to clean up and see if it makes a difference
>>
>> thanks
> 
> After 15 years, probably yes. I suggest you consider a refresh[1]. Make
> sure you understand what will be kept and what will be discarded, and
> how to recover the previous state of your profile if necessary.
> 
> 1:
>
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings

I tried this now, so it says in the first paragraph:

If you're having problems with Firefox, refreshing it can help. The refresh
feature fixes many issues by restoring Firefox to its default state while
saving your essential information like bookmarks, passwords, and open tabs. 

but all my passwords were wiped out :(

bookmarks were preserved, but I want to keep my passwords ... not happy

However behavior of firefox improved, so I'll need to find out how to
export/import passwords and other stuff before resetting this.

regards

Re: /etc/X11/default-display-manager : quelle commande pour la modification ?

[Jean-Marc]

Sat, 17 Feb 2018 09:53:03 +0100
Randy11  écrivait :

> Bonjour Jean-Marc,
> 
> Le 16/02/2018 à 23:07, Jean-Marc a écrit :
> >> debconf contient une valeur pour le default-manager :
> >> $ sudo debconf-show gdm3
> >> * shared/default-x-display-manager: gdm3
> >>gdm3/daemon_name: /usr/sbin/gdm3
> 
> Je ne connaissais pas cette commande. La définition associée
> figure bien dans /var/cache/debconf/config.dat. Mais je
> n'arrive pas à scripter sa modification.

Essaie :


L'entrée de la commande  et son format peut être 
obtenue par un .

Ajoutes-y un grep sur "dm" et tu trouveras ton bonheur.

> 
> 
> > Apparemment, la solution serait un dpkg-reconfigure .
> > Voir à la fin de cette page :
> > https://wiki.debian.org/DisplayManager
> 
> En mode interactif, c'est immédiat, mais pas de façon non-interactive.
> Lors de l'installation par PXE, il faut que cela soit totalement scripté,
> sans intervention manuelle.

Si tu l'as fait en mode interactif, tu dois pouvoir récupérer la valeur exacte 
à passer via un :


Jean-Marc 


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Re: Firefox too slow when opening new window or typing in the URL

[deloptes]

Liam O'Toole wrote:

> After 15 years, probably yes. I suggest you consider a refresh[1]. Make
> sure you understand what will be kept and what will be discarded, and
> how to recover the previous state of your profile if necessary.

Hi,

thanks for the link. This is probably exactly what I need to do. After more
than 15y behind linux pc, I think I know how to backup one directory.

thanks and regards

Re: Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 04:20:06PM +0100, Roger Price wrote:
> I am trying to net install stretch i386 on an EeePC using a wired
> connection. I chose my ISP as the mirror, but the installation hangs on
> "Configure the packet management tool (APT)" [french text reads "Configurer
> l'outil de gestion des paquets (APT)"].
> 
> I checked on my regular box that stretch i386 is available at 
> debian.proxad.net
> 
>  rprice@maria ~ wget --no-verbose
>http://debian.proxad.net/debian/dists/stretch/Release -O - | grep -E
>'^(Suite|Codename|Architectures):'
>  Suite: stable
>  Codename: stretch
>  Architectures: amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mips64el mipsel ppc64el 
> s390x
> 
> but on the EeePC with Ctl-Alt-F3 I get
> 
>  ~ # wget --no-verbose
>http://debian.proxad.net/debian/dists/stretch/Release -O - | grep -E
>'^(Suite|Codename|Architectures):'
>  wget: unable to resolve host address 'debian.proxad.net'
> 
> Command « ip address » shows that the EeePC has been assigned the correct IP
> address 10.218.0.100, and /etc/resolv.conf correctly points to the router as
> the DNS resolver:
> 
>  ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
>  search rogerprice.org
>  nameserver 10.218.0.1
> 
> I am using the same router and the same name server to post this message.
> Any suggestion or hint for fixing the installation would be most welcome,

First, please don't get me wrong, but can you provide the output of
(regular box, of course):

wget -S --spider https://wiki.debian.org

There have been some reports from people using your ISP that this page
does not work for them somehow, and I'm too lazy to travel to France to
check it out :)

Returning to your problem, I'd like to propose using Debian LiveCD [1]
on the problematic EeePC as LiveCD has some proper network
troubleshooting tools, namely tcpdump.

An file produced by:

tcpdump -w /tmp/proxad.pcap -ni any udp port 53 or udp port 5353 \
or tcp port 80

while running 

wget http://debian.proxad.net/debian/dists/stretch/Release -O /dev/null

would be invaluable in solving this out.

[1] http://www.debian.org/CD/live

Reco

Re: [likely out of luck]

[John Hasler]

Thomas Schmitt writes:
> Fvwm is software for people who don't want look-and-feel to change for
> the mere reason that another decade went by.  One has to customize it
> by editing the configuration file, not by drag-and-drop. It is best
> used with a zillion xterm windows and a few inavoidable GUI programs
> like web browser or PDF reader.

FVWM is sufficiently flexible to work quite well with GUI applications.
Look at it as kit with which you can build your own desktop environment.
I started using in in the previous century.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: (deb-cat) Ethernet I219-LM em deixa de funcionar

[Narcis Garcia]

Després d'aquest temps, considero resolt el primer problema, ja que
aquesta interfície de xarxa no dóna el més mínim problema des de
l'actualització del controlador.

Només falta la manera de què el controlador actualitzat s'apliqui a les
noves versions de nucli que vinguin per actualitzacions.


El 15/02/18 a les 10:50, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
> De moment, m'he apuntat aquesta recepta solventant fins i tot un
> problema del «Makefile» del mateix projecte:
> 
> 0. Install build/compiler tools:
> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-amd64
> 
> 1. Download latest stable version from:
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/
> 
> 2. Unpack:
> tar zxf e1000e-*.tar.gz
> 
> 3. Compile and install:
> cd e1000e-*/src/
> sudo make install
> 
> 3.1. If it fails with "cc1: error: code model kernel does not support
> PIC mode"
> # Find in Makefile ( e1000e/src/Makefile , Line ~152) =>
> EXTRA_CFLAGS += $(CFLAGS_EXTRA)
> # Insert a new line after that => EXTRA_CFLAGS += -fno-pie
> sudo make install
> 
> 4. Where is the binary installed:
> find /lib/modules | grep -e '/e1000e\.ko$'
> /lib/modules/4.9.0-5-amd64/updates/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
> /lib/modules/updates/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
> 
> 5. Updated boot-embedded driver:
> sudo update-initramfs -u
> 
> 
> Els diferents e1000e.ko generats no són iguals.
> Com que veig que no es crea automàticament per cada nucli (com el
> 4.9.0-4 que també hi ha instal·lat),
> EL QUÈ EM QUEDA ARA, és trobar la manera que tot això es posi com cal el
> dia que actualitzi el sistema (a Linux 4.9.0-6 per exemple) sense haver
> de recordar i recuperar tot el procediment manual.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
> El 07/02/18 a les 14:29, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
>> He descarregat el paquet linux-image-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 del repositori
>> «backports» i veig que el mòdul-controlador que conté és de la mateixa
>> versió:
>> filename:
>> ./lib/modules/4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
>> version: 3.2.6-k
>>
>> El mateix amb el paquet linux-image-4.14.0-3-amd64 del repositori
>> sid/unstable:
>>
>> filename:
>> ./lib/modules/4.14.0-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
>> version: 3.2.6-k
>>
>> La meva idea era reemplaçar solsament aquest fitxer, si fos possible
>> obtenir-lo ja compilat i compatible amb Debian 9. Igualment espero a què
>> algú pugui comprovar que no és el cable el què falla, ja que els altres
>> 2 ordinadors bessons no tenen aquest problema.
>>
>>
>> __
>> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
>> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
>> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
>> El 04/02/18 a les 19:52, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
>>> El controlador ve amb el paquet linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 i l'únic
>>> fitxer relacionat sembla ser:
>>> /lib/modules/4.9.0-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
>>> No en sé veure la versió.
>>>
>>> Ara estic veient que els 3 ordinadors en qüestió no tenen exactament el
>>> mateix problema. Només és un que no es recupera definitivament després
>>> de perdre l'estat «link ok».
>>>
>>> __
>>> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
>>> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
>>> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
>>>
>>> El 04/02/18 a les 13:36, Josep Lladonosa ha escrit:
 Narcís, mira't això!

 https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/3.3.6/

 Sembla que t'has trobat amb un bug que s'ha resolt en la versió 3.3.6
 del controlador e1000e. Val a dir que ara van per la 3.4.0.2.

 https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/3.4.0.2/

 Quina versió tens tu?


 2018-02-04 13:01 GMT+01:00 Josep Lladonosa >:

 Hola, Narcís,

 Apunt:
 Si el controlador es troba com a mòdul, potser es pot eliminar el
 mòdul (rmmod) i tornar-lo a incorporar (modprobe) per tal d'evitar
 de fer reboot. Si torna a funcionar aleshores podries determinar que
 sí que és el controlador.

 Veig que funcionen a 1 Gbps. Els cables estan ben fets? Pateixen
 d'alguna interferència? Ho dic perquè podria ser que hi hagués
 alguna renegociació a nivell físic i que el controlador no la
 contempli, quedant "estabornit"...

 Potser podria afectar a la cosa el fet que les targetes tinguin els
 noms llargs (en lloc dels ethX tradicionals). Podria estar
 relacionat amb DHCP i la renovació?

 

fvwm resources, was Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

[David Wright]

On Sat 17 Feb 2018 at 09:01:07 (-0600), John Hasler wrote:
> Richard Owlett writes:
> > A sketchy preliminary web search doses not look promising.  I'll
> > initially experiment with KDE.  Is there a recommended site that gives
> > a good description of why and how one would use [FVWM] {similar to what
> > 
> > does for KDE}?
> 
>  is what there is.
> 
> There is a plethora of man pages, of course.

If you like configuring by example, then reading through
/usr/share/fvwm/default-config/config while running fvwm
is invaluable.

These older links might be helpful:

https://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/linux/run/ch11_02.htm
https://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/linux/lnut/ch17_01.htm

The latter includes:

17.11. Starting Windows on Different Desktops and Pages
https://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/linux/lnut/ch17_11.htm

but beware of cutting and pasting directly from texts
like these in case they're from a previous version
(though fvwm moves pretty slowly). In particular, just
check they're not from fvwm1 which, remarkably, is
still packaged in stretch.

People used to post their fvwmrc/fvwm2rc files in days
of yore; googleable, good for new ideas.

Cheers,
David.

Re: [likely out of luck]

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Richard Owlet wrote:
>>> Is there a recommended site that gives
>>> a good description of why and how one would use [FVWM] {similar to what
>>> 
>>> does for KDE}?

John Hasler wrote:
>>  is what there is.

> That page prompted the question ;<

Google for "fvwm2rc". It is rewarding to add the word "examples".


My experience with installing Debian package fvwm2 two years ago would
have been much worse if i did not have the file ~/.fvwm2rc from my eight
year older workstation. Actually i carry it from system to system since
a SuSE installation in year 2000.

Fvwm is not a desktop like KDE or Gnome but rather a window manager,
which nowadays is only a smaller part of the desktop goals.
It offers no GUI library and thus has no fat applications depending on it.
If you use KDE or Gnome applications then you pull in half of their very
many libraries.

Fvwm is software for people who don't want look-and-feel to change for
the mere reason that another decade went by.
One has to customize it by editing the configuration file, not by
drag-and-drop. It is best used with a zillion xterm windows and a few
inavoidable GUI programs like web browser or PDF reader.

I simply love it.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: (deb-cat) Ethernet I219-LM em deixa de funcionar

[Narcis Garcia]

Després d'aquest temps, considero resolt el primer problema, ja que
aquesta interfície de xarxa no dóna el més mínim problema des de
l'actualització del controlador.

Només falta la manera de què el controlador actualitzat s'apliqui a les
noves versions de nucli que vinguin per actualitzacions.




__
I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
should fix this against automated addresses collectors.

El 15/02/18 a les 10:50, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
> De moment, m'he apuntat aquesta recepta solventant fins i tot un
> problema del «Makefile» del mateix projecte:
> 
> 0. Install build/compiler tools:
> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-amd64
> 
> 1. Download latest stable version from:
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/
> 
> 2. Unpack:
> tar zxf e1000e-*.tar.gz
> 
> 3. Compile and install:
> cd e1000e-*/src/
> sudo make install
> 
> 3.1. If it fails with "cc1: error: code model kernel does not support
> PIC mode"
> # Find in Makefile ( e1000e/src/Makefile , Line ~152) =>
> EXTRA_CFLAGS += $(CFLAGS_EXTRA)
> # Insert a new line after that => EXTRA_CFLAGS += -fno-pie
> sudo make install
> 
> 4. Where is the binary installed:
> find /lib/modules | grep -e '/e1000e\.ko$'
> /lib/modules/4.9.0-5-amd64/updates/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
> /lib/modules/updates/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
> 
> 5. Updated boot-embedded driver:
> sudo update-initramfs -u
> 
> 
> Els diferents e1000e.ko generats no són iguals.
> Com que veig que no es crea automàticament per cada nucli (com el
> 4.9.0-4 que també hi ha instal·lat),
> EL QUÈ EM QUEDA ARA, és trobar la manera que tot això es posi com cal el
> dia que actualitzi el sistema (a Linux 4.9.0-6 per exemple) sense haver
> de recordar i recuperar tot el procediment manual.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
> El 07/02/18 a les 14:29, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
>> He descarregat el paquet linux-image-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 del repositori
>> «backports» i veig que el mòdul-controlador que conté és de la mateixa
>> versió:
>> filename:
>> ./lib/modules/4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
>> version: 3.2.6-k
>>
>> El mateix amb el paquet linux-image-4.14.0-3-amd64 del repositori
>> sid/unstable:
>>
>> filename:
>> ./lib/modules/4.14.0-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
>> version: 3.2.6-k
>>
>> La meva idea era reemplaçar solsament aquest fitxer, si fos possible
>> obtenir-lo ja compilat i compatible amb Debian 9. Igualment espero a què
>> algú pugui comprovar que no és el cable el què falla, ja que els altres
>> 2 ordinadors bessons no tenen aquest problema.
>>
>>
>> __
>> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
>> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
>> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
>> El 04/02/18 a les 19:52, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
>>> El controlador ve amb el paquet linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 i l'únic
>>> fitxer relacionat sembla ser:
>>> /lib/modules/4.9.0-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
>>> No en sé veure la versió.
>>>
>>> Ara estic veient que els 3 ordinadors en qüestió no tenen exactament el
>>> mateix problema. Només és un que no es recupera definitivament després
>>> de perdre l'estat «link ok».
>>>
>>> __
>>> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
>>> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
>>> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
>>>
>>> El 04/02/18 a les 13:36, Josep Lladonosa ha escrit:
 Narcís, mira't això!

 https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/3.3.6/

 Sembla que t'has trobat amb un bug que s'ha resolt en la versió 3.3.6
 del controlador e1000e. Val a dir que ara van per la 3.4.0.2.

 https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/3.4.0.2/

 Quina versió tens tu?


 2018-02-04 13:01 GMT+01:00 Josep Lladonosa >:

 Hola, Narcís,

 Apunt:
 Si el controlador es troba com a mòdul, potser es pot eliminar el
 mòdul (rmmod) i tornar-lo a incorporar (modprobe) per tal d'evitar
 de fer reboot. Si torna a funcionar aleshores podries determinar que
 sí que és el controlador.

 Veig que funcionen a 1 Gbps. Els cables estan ben fets? Pateixen
 d'alguna interferència? Ho dic perquè podria ser que hi hagués
 alguna renegociació a nivell físic i que el controlador no la
 contempli, quedant "estabornit"...

Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/17/2018 09:01 AM, John Hasler wrote:

Richard Owlett writes:

A sketchy preliminary web search doses not look promising.  I'll
initially experiment with KDE.  Is there a recommended site that gives
a good description of why and how one would use [FVWM] {similar to what

does for KDE}?


 is what there is.


That page prompted the question ;<



There is a plethora of man pages, of course.

Stretch net install on EeePC - unable to resolve mirror host address

[Roger Price]

I am trying to net install stretch i386 on an EeePC using a wired connection. I 
chose my ISP as the mirror, but the installation hangs on "Configure the packet 
management tool (APT)" [french text reads "Configurer l'outil de gestion des 
paquets (APT)"].


I checked on my regular box that stretch i386 is available at debian.proxad.net

 rprice@maria ~ wget --no-verbose
   http://debian.proxad.net/debian/dists/stretch/Release -O - | grep -E
   '^(Suite|Codename|Architectures):'
 Suite: stable
 Codename: stretch
 Architectures: amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mips64el mipsel ppc64el s390x

but on the EeePC with Ctl-Alt-F3 I get

 ~ # wget --no-verbose
   http://debian.proxad.net/debian/dists/stretch/Release -O - | grep -E
   '^(Suite|Codename|Architectures):'
 wget: unable to resolve host address 'debian.proxad.net'

Command « ip address » shows that the EeePC has been assigned the correct IP 
address 10.218.0.100, and /etc/resolv.conf correctly points to the router as the 
DNS resolver:


 ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
 search rogerprice.org
 nameserver 10.218.0.1

I am using the same router and the same name server to post this message. Any 
suggestion or hint for fixing the installation would be most welcome,


Roger

Re: capture d'ecran pendant l'installation

[Wallace]

Le 16/02/2018 à 02:43, G2PC a écrit :
>
> 2) Utiliser un appareil photo, un téléphone, voir, des lunettes Google
> Glass ... Trop cher, et, l'image sera de travers.
Il faut les bons accessoires pour l'appareil photo, à une époque c'était
la seule solution pour faire des captures d'écrans pour les manuels
d'utilisation.

http://www.laboiteverte.fr/comment-faire-captures-decran-lancienne/




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Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

[John Hasler]

Richard Owlett writes:
> A sketchy preliminary web search doses not look promising.  I'll
> initially experiment with KDE.  Is there a recommended site that gives
> a good description of why and how one would use [FVWM] {similar to what
> 
> does for KDE}?

 is what there is.

There is a plethora of man pages, of course.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/17/2018 07:42 AM, John Hasler wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I have no problem with different applications being open in each workspace.

What I would like would be to be able to do is have differing sets of
applications available in each workspace.


This can be done with FVWM. 


A sketchy preliminary web search doses not look promising.
I'll initially experiment with KDE.
Is there a recommended site that gives a good description of why and how 
one would use it {similar to what 
 
does for KDE}?





I start it up four desks (similar, I think,
to MATE's workspaces) each with 16 panes (you can have as many or as few
as you want on each desktop).  Each desk can start a different set of
applications.  I don't use it the way you want to (for one thing I
despise icons) but there is no reason it could not do exactly what you
want.  Windows can be made "sticky" so that they "stick to the glass"
and follow you around.  Thus you could have a set of icons that are
always visible and other sets that only show up on one desktop.

Of course, this does mean you have to learn to configure FVWM.

Re: Debian New Guy

[Legion Post #52]

Thanks for all the great info. Looks like I have some reading to do.

Re: Firefox too slow when opening new window or typing in the URL

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2018-02-17, deloptes  wrote:

[...]

> Might be I need to clean up and see if it makes a difference
>
> thanks

After 15 years, probably yes. I suggest you consider a refresh[1]. Make
sure you understand what will be kept and what will be discarded, and
how to recover the previous state of your profile if necessary.

1:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings

-- 

Liam

Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/17/2018 07:17 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, February 16, 2018 10:33:01 PM Richard Owlett wrote:

Both are good descriptions of what I want.
If it cannot be done in MATE, is there another desktop or approach that
will accomplish my goal?
TIA


As long as we are talking about icons on the desktop (instead of, for example,
menu items on the toolbar) I believe you can do it in kde (as in kde4 on
Wheezy).  I don't do it, but I just did a quick experiment--I put an icon on
one desktop, I might have selected some sort of option (what can I say, I'm
getting old and I have a headache--my short term memory is sometimes very bad)
and it now appears on only one of my 8 desktops.

If you are seriously interested in trying kde, let me know, and I'll
experiment a little more and give you more detailed instructions.




Curt referred me to 
 
which, in combination with linked pages, gives a good description of 
what I want.


I have a spare machine and and a complete set of Debian 9 DVD's for a 
test install. It's supposed to be cold and/or wet for next week. I'll 
have time.

Re: Debian New Guy

[Jude DaShiell]

You don't need to know that.  What you need to know is how to reproduce 
the output after login.  As root run dmesg|grep -i "error" and also run 
dmesg|grep -i "warning" and finally run dmesg|grep -i "fatal".  You 
might want to save those runs to files or maybe not.
On Sat, 17 Feb 2018, 
Legion Post #52 wrote:



Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:21:45
From: Legion Post #52 
To: Debian User 
Subject: Debian New Guy
Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:39:10 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

Ok, I have a question. What is that script called that runs when you
start up the system that causes all that text to come across the
monitor? In that text I see a failure that references "systemct1
network service" but can't find where that is located to check it out.
Any help greatly appreciated.




--

Re: Something eating diskspace in Testing

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:14:25PM -0800, David Christensen wrote:
> 
> Unix has a feature whereby a program can open a file, save the file handle,
> and then unlink the file.  Once unlinked, the file is inaccessible to most
> (all?) other programs, but the originating program can still access the file
> contents via the saved file handle.  When the program closes the file
> handle, the file contents on disk are freed. See unlink(2).
> 
> 
Incidentally, That is one of my favorite sysadmin job interview
scenarios. Hand the candidate a system where a process is doing just as
you describe and see if he/she can identify that as the cause. It as an
excellent way to assess the depth of someone's knowledge of Unix-like
systems.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

[John Hasler]

Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have no problem with different applications being open in each workspace.
>
> What I would like would be to be able to do is have differing sets of
> applications available in each workspace.

This can be done with FVWM.  I start it up four desks (similar, I think,
to MATE's workspaces) each with 16 panes (you can have as many or as few
as you want on each desktop).  Each desk can start a different set of
applications.  I don't use it the way you want to (for one thing I
despise icons) but there is no reason it could not do exactly what you
want.  Windows can be made "sticky" so that they "stick to the glass"
and follow you around.  Thus you could have a set of icons that are
always visible and other sets that only show up on one desktop.

Of course, this does mean you have to learn to configure FVWM.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Something eating diskspace in Testing

[rhkramer]

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 12:51:54 AM Johan DS wrote:
> hi
> I have testing installed with a separete /Home partition.
> 
> My root partition /dev/sda2 is slowly filling up. In a few hours it goes
> from 7GB to 15GB.
> Until there is no more space. I used ncdu. And also did
> ls and finds for big files and/or directories . But I can not find a file
> or directory that eats up space.
> 
> Any body a clou?

I used to have a problem like that because x used to spew thousands of errors 
into the .xsession-errors files.  Iirc, the problem was with the user version 
rather than root (on Wheezy / kde3 --or, actually, I guess it was on Debian 
5.n, which I guess was Lenny??).

Anyway, I worked around the problem by adding 2 lines to root's crontab (and I 
carried those over when I moved to Wheezy).  I don't see nearly as many errors 
there anymore, but ... 

  *  *  *   *   * echo "Cleared on $(date) by $USER cron" > 
/home//.xsession-errors
  *  *  *   *   * echo "Cleared on $(date) by $USER cron" > 
/root/.xsession-errors

Another thing I did was put /home on a separate small partition (currently 1 
GB, iirc), and I keep all of my "real user data" (i.e., documents, pictures, 
videos, programs that I write,  ...) under a separate top level directory, 
/.

Re: [HS quoi que...]c'est trolldi et mon SE n'est pas conforme :D

[Christophe De Natale]

Le 16/02/2018 à 21:38, Haricophile a écrit :

Le Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:40:58 +0100,
nicolas.patr...@gmail.com a écrit :


Tu connais « User agent switcher » ?
Il est fort possible qu’il ne fonctionne plus avec le dernier Firefox.

nicolas patrois : pts noir asocial

Au pire, ça se règle dans la config, et en "navigation privée" je ne
sais pas s'il envoie l'user-agent. Je crains que le profilage moderne
des navigateurs ne se soucie plus vraiment de ce paramètre. Quoique ils
ne doivent pas être a la pointe en la matière vu le type d'entreprise...

De toute manière pour Java ça ne va pas aider.

Effectivement, j'ai installé un plugin "User Agent switcher" et mon 
système est conforme à présent.

Merci pour le tuyau (j'ai choisi IE11+win7 afin de bluffer le site).
Pour info j'utilise la version de Firefox-ESR dans Stretch.

Et pour Java, ben oui, c'est mort...
D'autant plus que j'ai un message qui me signale à présent que la 
modification en ligne n'est pas disponible pour les entreprises 
"physiques" :D


Bon w-e,

--
Christophe

Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[deloptes]

Richard Owlett wrote:

> See my reply to deloptes.
> I was told by English professors since the 60's that my composition
> skills lack ... ;/

:D and for the past 55y you did not improve :D - you should be ashamed!

Re: Debian New Guy

[deloptes]

Legion Post #52 wrote:

> Ok, I have a question. What is that script called that runs when you
> start up the system that causes all that text to come across the
> monitor? In that text I see a failure that references "systemct1
> network service" but can't find where that is located to check it out.
> Any help greatly appreciated.

You see the output of the boot process. These are couple of programs.
What you are refering to is systemd - the new init (I can do all - type of
BS spread around). 
This is inevitable and in cases like notebooks and mobile devices really
useful, causes still some trouble.

If you want to know more on how this works read more about systemd [1]
If you want to debug this issue, look at your network setup or post here
more from the logs (you can get them with journalctl)

Fortunately I go read of systemd (for now) and use old init on all non
mobile machines, so I can't help much. But it looks like init can not run
something related to your network. Probably this is ignored and at some
point of time your system is ready to use, but probably it makes you
impatient as you have to wait.


[1] https://wiki.debian.org/systemd

Re: debian sur clé

[contact]

Sinon multisystem ;

http://www.liveusb.info/dotclear/index.php?pages/install


François-Marie BILLARD

Le 17/02/2018 à 09:59, François LE GAD a écrit :

Le 16/02/2018 à 23:28, saturne saturne a écrit :


Bonjour,
j'aimerais savoir comment faire pour mettre debian sur une clé USB 
mais avec le mode persistance. J'ai cherché sur beaucoup de forums 
mais, à part créer des clés boot, je n'ai pas trouvé comment 
installer debien avec le mode persistance


Tu installes le paquet live-build, qui te permet de faire une clé sur 
mesure.
ainsi que la doc, au choix : live-manual-epub, live-manual-html, 
live-manual-odf, live-manual-pdf ou live-manual-txt.


Exemple pour une installation de base en français, compatible avec à 
peu  près tous les PC :


lb config -b usb-hdd -l fr --bootappend-live "locales=fr_FR.UTF-8 
keyboard-layouts=fr persistent" -a i386 -k 686


D'autres commandes permettent de créer la clé avec le bureau et les 
programmes de ton choix. Voir la doc.


Tu partitionnes ensuite l'espace libre de la clé.

Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/17/2018 05:27 AM, Tom Furie wrote:

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 01:08:58AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:


I use the MATE desktop. I had originally thought I could achieve my goals
using MATE's workspaces.


I've read this post over, several times, but can't work out what your
actual question is. Could you restate it plainly?


See my reply to deloptes.
I was told by English professors since the 60's that my composition 
skills lack ... ;/

Re: Firefox too slow when opening new window or typing in the URL

[deloptes]

Erik Christiansen wrote:

> Whenever that happens here, I just clear the cookies & cache with
> CTRL+SHIFT+DEL. That puts a spring in its step again.
> 

I tried this already and it did not help

> Admittedly, my old mobo is too slow for video streaming, so I bought a
> Udoo-X86 for that - with very satisfying results. Except very
> occasionally, when video freezes just as on the old slow mobo, and it's
> necessary to click on the progress bar under the display. Relevance? I

my pc is normal desktop i5 with 8GB RAM, intel video - works great.

> suspect there's a kilo and a half of gummy sludge in every instance of
> Firefox, and you have to knock it loose regularly to keep the thing
> working. (If there's a commercial version out there, that might explain
> it.)

no idea what your experience is - for me it worked really good as I said for
the past 15y.

regards

Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

[rhkramer]

On Friday, February 16, 2018 10:33:01 PM Richard Owlett wrote:
> Both are good descriptions of what I want.
> If it cannot be done in MATE, is there another desktop or approach that
> will accomplish my goal?
> TIA

As long as we are talking about icons on the desktop (instead of, for example, 
menu items on the toolbar) I believe you can do it in kde (as in kde4 on 
Wheezy).  I don't do it, but I just did a quick experiment--I put an icon on 
one desktop, I might have selected some sort of option (what can I say, I'm 
getting old and I have a headache--my short term memory is sometimes very bad) 
and it now appears on only one of my 8 desktops.

If you are seriously interested in trying kde, let me know, and I'll 
experiment a little more and give you more detailed instructions.

Re: Firefox too slow when opening new window or typing in the URL

[deloptes]

Reco wrote:

> Well, if it's sqlite databases you're worried about, then install
> "sqlite3" package, shutdown firefox (important!), and run something like
> this:
> 
> for x in $(find .mozilla -name '*sqlite'); do
> sqlite3 "$x" "VACUUM;"
> done

$ time for x in $(find .mozilla -name '*.sqlite'); do
sqlite3 "$x" "VACUUM;"; done

real1m54.699s
user0m2.196s
sys 0m2.713s


This is absolutely not ok, though I don't think it reads all when it loads,
I have the impression I wait for roughly 1min.

> 
> But I prefer another approach - the only things that's I actually need
> in Firefox profile are prefs.js file maybe addons. Meaning that yes, I
> *do not* need history, cookies and all these HTML5 databases that
> Firefox persistently stores there for reasons unknown.

Might be I need to clean up and see if it makes a difference

thanks

Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/17/2018 05:11 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:

On 2/17/18, Curt  wrote:

On 2018-02-17, Richard Owlett  wrote:


Both are good descriptions of what I want.
If it cannot be done in MATE, is there another desktop or approach that
will accomplish my goal?
TIA



Maybe KDE "activities" matches your desires:
[snip
https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html


That describes a solution.
See my reply to Curt for more details.




After I mentioned panel last night, I realized that all that would do
is... carry over the same between workspaces, too. Just popping in now
to wonder out loud if maybe it might someday be possible to script
something that is triggered by an active Workspace 1, Workspace 2,
etc.

As I proofread that tiny little bit, it further occurs to me that
there surely must be some way to do that. The packages that we scooch
around between workspaces have to be cluing in on something to know
that they are to stay put over there instead of right here in front of
us... unless their workspace is the one currently being viewed...
right here in front of us.

Cindy :)

Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/17/2018 04:25 AM, Curt wrote:

On 2018-02-17, Richard Owlett  wrote:


Both are good descriptions of what I want.
If it cannot be done in MATE, is there another desktop or approach that
will accomplish my goal?
TIA



Maybe KDE "activities" matches your desires:
[snip summary of]
https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html


Yes, very closely. Its  links to

,

, 
and

  
are also valuable.

Asking on a local users group led to
  
and 
which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
user experience I want.

There is reading/re-reading in my future.
Thank you.

Re: Debian New Guy

[Jeffrin Jose]

are you looking for path of a command ?  "whereis  systemctl"may be "systemd" 
is starting point for all scripts during startupcheck "cd /etc/init.d/"  which 
is atleast one place for startup scripts
--software engineerrajagiri school of engineering and technology
   On Saturday 17 February 2018, 6:09:14 PM IST, Legion Post #52 
 wrote:  
 
 Ok, I have a question. What is that script called that runs when you
start up the system that causes all that text to come across the
monitor? In that text I see a failure that references "systemct1
network service" but can't find where that is located to check it out.
Any help greatly appreciated.

  

Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Richard Owlett]

On 02/17/2018 01:57 AM, deloptes wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent terminals.
Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host device.

How might this be done?


Hi,
first you write you want to have independent terminals on your machine and
then you complain that the workspaces share same background icon.
Can you clarify what you want to achieve.

If you want to configure your workspaces differently and want to use light
weight desktop you could try TDE which is continuation of KDE3. There you
can configure the background per workspace.



Asking on a local users group led to
  
which describes what triggered my thoughts.
It links to  
which outlines what has to happen behind the scenes to have the
user experience I want.

In a related post here, Curt referred me to KDE's "activities"


which links to

,

, 
and

  

I've reading to do.
Thank you.

Debian New Guy

[Legion Post #52]

Ok, I have a question. What is that script called that runs when you
start up the system that causes all that text to come across the
monitor? In that text I see a failure that references "systemct1
network service" but can't find where that is located to check it out.
Any help greatly appreciated.

Re: Websites die niet werken met Firefox-esr

[Luuk]

On 10-02-18 16:36, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Hoi Luuk en anderen,
>
> Op 10-02-18 om 14:30 schreef Luuk:
>
>> Of ligt het aan mixed-content?
>> (zie:
>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Security/Mixed_content/How_to_fix_website_with_mixed_content
>> )
>>
>> Dat mixed-content verhaal speel ook bij groeneavonturen.nl 
> Mixed content heeft met https te maken, en alle genoemde websites zijn
> http. Tenzij iets op de achtergrond ons naar https wil leiden.
> Maar ik kan me niet voorstellen dat mixed content een timeout geeft.

In the source van die pagina (http://fenicks.nl/) zie ik,een verwijzing
naar HTTPS :

Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Tom Furie]

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 01:08:58AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

> I use the MATE desktop. I had originally thought I could achieve my goals
> using MATE's workspaces.

I've read this post over, several times, but can't work out what your
actual question is. Could you restate it plainly?

Cheers,
Tom

-- 
Suicide is the sincerest form of self-criticism.
-- Donald Kaul


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Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 2/17/18, Curt  wrote:
> On 2018-02-17, Richard Owlett  wrote:
>>
>> Both are good descriptions of what I want.
>> If it cannot be done in MATE, is there another desktop or approach that
>> will accomplish my goal?
>> TIA
>>
>
> Maybe KDE "activities" matches your desires:
>
>  The classic Linux desktop -- a workspace, a panel, and a menu --
>  remains the most popular design for a graphical interface.
>  Unfortunately, however, modern computers include too many applications
>  to fit on a single desktop. Many users respond by launching
>  applications from the menu, often drilling down several levels and
>  sometimes even relying on incomplete menus to reduce clutter. However,
>  KDE offers a more elegant solution in Activities, or multiple desktops,
>  each with its own set of icons.
>
>  ...
>
>  Usually, however virtual workspaces are sub-divisions of a desktop,
>  extending workspace without the trouble of setting up multiple
>  monitors. Using virtual desktops, for example, you can keep your
>  browser or email reader open full-screen all the time.
>
>  By contrast, Activities are usually organized by tasks or project. By
>  setting up different Activities, you can place all the necessary
>  resources for a task or project in the workspace, a single click away.
>  In effect, they make the classic desktop practical again.
>
> https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html


After I mentioned panel last night, I realized that all that would do
is... carry over the same between workspaces, too. Just popping in now
to wonder out loud if maybe it might someday be possible to script
something that is triggered by an active Workspace 1, Workspace 2,
etc.

As I proofread that tiny little bit, it further occurs to me that
there surely must be some way to do that. The packages that we scooch
around between workspaces have to be cluing in on something to know
that they are to stay put over there instead of right here in front of
us... unless their workspace is the one currently being viewed...
right here in front of us.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: Firefox too slow when opening new window or typing in the URL

[Erik Christiansen]

On 17.02.18 10:00, deloptes wrote:
> Since couple of months firefox is taking too long to open a new window or
> new page.

Whenever that happens here, I just clear the cookies & cache with
CTRL+SHIFT+DEL. That puts a spring in its step again.

Admittedly, my old mobo is too slow for video streaming, so I bought a
Udoo-X86 for that - with very satisfying results. Except very
occasionally, when video freezes just as on the old slow mobo, and it's
necessary to click on the progress bar under the display. Relevance? I
suspect there's a kilo and a half of gummy sludge in every instance of
Firefox, and you have to knock it loose regularly to keep the thing
working. (If there's a commercial version out there, that might explain
it.)

Erik

Re: Firefox too slow when opening new window or typing in the URL

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 10:00:07AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Hi all,
> perhaps someone of you has dealt with this issue and can give me an idea how
> can I fix it.
> 
> Since couple of months firefox is taking too long to open a new window or
> new page.
> When I press "CTRL+n" it opens the window but whole firefox gets blocked
> until something happens in the background and then all content is visible
> again.
> When I start typing the URL same behavior. Not all the time, but mainly
> related to new window.
> 
> I use this user profile for approx. 15y and the profile is located on NFS
> share. I have 1GB connection to the server. I was thinking maybe that it is
> because the sqlite databases grew with the time or there is a race
> condition violated.

Well, if it's sqlite databases you're worried about, then install
"sqlite3" package, shutdown firefox (important!), and run something like this:

for x in $(find .mozilla -name '*sqlite'); do
sqlite3 "$x" "VACUUM;"
done

But I prefer another approach - the only things that's I actually need
in Firefox profile are prefs.js file maybe addons. Meaning that yes, I
*do not* need history, cookies and all these HTML5 databases that
Firefox persistently stores there for reasons unknown.

So I just remove anything unneeded from .mozilla/firefox periodically.

Reco

Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

[Curt]

On 2018-02-17, Richard Owlett  wrote:
>
> Both are good descriptions of what I want.
> If it cannot be done in MATE, is there another desktop or approach that 
> will accomplish my goal?
> TIA
>

Maybe KDE "activities" matches your desires:

 The classic Linux desktop -- a workspace, a panel, and a menu --
 remains the most popular design for a graphical interface.
 Unfortunately, however, modern computers include too many applications
 to fit on a single desktop. Many users respond by launching
 applications from the menu, often drilling down several levels and
 sometimes even relying on incomplete menus to reduce clutter. However,
 KDE offers a more elegant solution in Activities, or multiple desktops,
 each with its own set of icons.

 ...

 Usually, however virtual workspaces are sub-divisions of a desktop,
 extending workspace without the trouble of setting up multiple
 monitors. Using virtual desktops, for example, you can keep your
 browser or email reader open full-screen all the time.

 By contrast, Activities are usually organized by tasks or project. By
 setting up different Activities, you can place all the necessary
 resources for a task or project in the workspace, a single click away.
 In effect, they make the classic desktop practical again.

https://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-to-setup-kde-activities.html

-- 
When its 100 degrees in New York, its 78 in Los Angeles. When its 10
degrees in New York, its 78 in Los Angeles. There are two million
interesting people in New York. There are 78 in Los Angeles. --Neil Simon

Firefox too slow when opening new window or typing in the URL

[deloptes]

Hi all,
perhaps someone of you has dealt with this issue and can give me an idea how
can I fix it.

Since couple of months firefox is taking too long to open a new window or
new page.
When I press "CTRL+n" it opens the window but whole firefox gets blocked
until something happens in the background and then all content is visible
again.
When I start typing the URL same behavior. Not all the time, but mainly
related to new window.

I use this user profile for approx. 15y and the profile is located on NFS
share. I have 1GB connection to the server. I was thinking maybe that it is
because the sqlite databases grew with the time or there is a race
condition violated.

attached are the databases in the profile

thanks in advance

-rw-r--r-- 1   524288 Jan 21  2014 .mozilla/firefox/profile/addons.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 198304 Jan 21  2014 
.mozilla/firefox/profile/chromeappsstore.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1   329728 Feb 16 15:25 .mozilla/firefox/profile/content-prefs.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1   524288 Feb 17 09:52 .mozilla/firefox/profile/cookies.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1  1048576 Feb 15 08:16 .mozilla/firefox/profile/cookies.sqlite.bak
-rw-r--r-- 1   131072 Feb 15 08:16 
.mozilla/firefox/profile/cookies.sqlite.bak-rebuild
-rw-r--r-- 132768 Feb 17 09:52 .mozilla/firefox/profile/cookies.sqlite-shm
-rw-r--r-- 1   721456 Feb 17 09:52 .mozilla/firefox/profile/cookies.sqlite-wal
-rw-r--r-- 165536 Jan 21  2014 .mozilla/firefox/profile/downloads.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1   458752 Jan 21  2014 .mozilla/firefox/profile/extensions.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1 20217856 Feb 17 09:04 .mozilla/firefox/profile/favicons.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 132768 Feb 17 09:50 .mozilla/firefox/profile/favicons.sqlite-shm
-rw-r--r-- 1  2131512 Feb 17 09:50 .mozilla/firefox/profile/favicons.sqlite-wal
-rw-r--r-- 1   720896 Feb 17 09:46 .mozilla/firefox/profile/formhistory.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1  1277952 Feb 15 21:18 .mozilla/firefox/profile/kinto.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 140960 Jan 28 22:46 .mozilla/firefox/profile/permissions.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1 62914560 Feb 17 09:46 .mozilla/firefox/profile/places.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1 52428800 Apr  9  2013 
.mozilla/firefox/profile/places.sqlite.corrupt
-rw-r--r-- 132768 Feb 17 09:50 .mozilla/firefox/profile/places.sqlite-shm
-rw-r--r-- 1  4096000 Feb 17 09:50 .mozilla/firefox/profile/places.sqlite-wal
-rw-r--r-- 1 2048 Apr  9  2013 .mozilla/firefox/profile/search.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1   107520 Nov 10  2014 .mozilla/firefox/profile/signons.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1  512 Jan  5 01:12 .mozilla/firefox/profile/storage.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1 15181824 Dec 27  2009 
.mozilla/firefox/profile/urlclassifier2.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1 62914560 Apr  9  2013 
.mozilla/firefox/profile/urlclassifier3.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 1 57798656 Feb 17 09:06 .mozilla/firefox/profile/webappsstore.sqlite
-rw-r--r-- 132768 Feb 17 09:49 
.mozilla/firefox/profile/webappsstore.sqlite-shm
-rw-r--r-- 1   928560 Feb 17 09:49 
.mozilla/firefox/profile/webappsstore.sqlite-wal
-rw-r--r-- 165536 Jun 19  2012 .mozilla/firefox/profile/xmarks.sqlite

Re: debian sur clé

[François LE GAD]

Le 16/02/2018 à 23:28, saturne saturne a écrit :


Bonjour,
j'aimerais savoir comment faire pour mettre debian sur une clé USB mais 
avec le mode persistance. J'ai cherché sur beaucoup de forums mais, à 
part créer des clés boot, je n'ai pas trouvé comment installer debien 
avec le mode persistance


Tu installes le paquet live-build, qui te permet de faire une clé sur 
mesure.
ainsi que la doc, au choix : live-manual-epub, live-manual-html, 
live-manual-odf, live-manual-pdf ou live-manual-txt.


Exemple pour une installation de base en français, compatible avec à peu 
 près tous les PC :


lb config -b usb-hdd -l fr --bootappend-live "locales=fr_FR.UTF-8 
keyboard-layouts=fr persistent" -a i386 -k 686


D'autres commandes permettent de créer la clé avec le bureau et les 
programmes de ton choix. Voir la doc.


Tu partitionnes ensuite l'espace libre de la clé.

--
François
http://flegad.infini.fr

Re: /etc/X11/default-display-manager : quelle commande pour la modification ?

[Randy11]

Bonjour Jean-Marc,

Le 16/02/2018 à 23:07, Jean-Marc a écrit :

debconf contient une valeur pour le default-manager :
$ sudo debconf-show gdm3
* shared/default-x-display-manager: gdm3
   gdm3/daemon_name: /usr/sbin/gdm3


Je ne connaissais pas cette commande. La définition associée
figure bien dans /var/cache/debconf/config.dat. Mais je
n'arrive pas à scripter sa modification.



Apparemment, la solution serait un dpkg-reconfigure .
Voir à la fin de cette page :
https://wiki.debian.org/DisplayManager


En mode interactif, c'est immédiat, mais pas de façon non-interactive.
Lors de l'installation par PXE, il faut que cela soit totalement scripté,
sans intervention manuelle.

Re: Thunderbird + ClamAV

[Narcis Garcia]

Una mesura mitigadora, que jo faig servir, és re|enviar sempre el correu
electrònic en text planer i sense adjunts que jo no hagi revisat.

El correu electrònic amb formats normalment només l'envio si l'he
compost jo des de zero i perquè em fa falta, per exemple, per enganxar
una URL molt llarga que no vull que salti entre línies.

Aquest mètode em resulta més eficaç encara que els antivirus, els quals
sovint passen per alt la vinculació d'imatges remotes o altres enginys
per l'espionatge, o tècniques noves.
Alguns antivirus fins i tot insereixen el seu «regalet» víric en forma
de signatura.



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masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
El 16/02/18 a les 19:55, Robert Marsellés ha escrit:
> 
> Per començar, m'agrada saber com funcionen les coses.
> 
> Després, hi ha altres motius que no vaig voler ficar al missatge inicial
> per no fer la cosa gaire llarga.
> 
> Per exemple, no vull enviar a un conegut un arxiu adjunt que a mi ni em
> fa pessigolles pel que dius però a ell, en canvi, li pot fer passar un
> mal rato. Excepte si algú dels que en sabeu més del tema em garantiu que
> això no pot passar mai. I encara m'ho pensaria una bona estona.
> 

Re: Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[deloptes]

Richard Owlett wrote:

> Therefore I'll change my metaphor.
> It is routine for one machine to support multiple independent terminals.
> Logically one expect that those terminals could appear on the host device.
> 
> How might this be done?

Hi,
first you write you want to have independent terminals on your machine and
then you complain that the workspaces share same background icon.
Can you clarify what you want to achieve.

If you want to configure your workspaces differently and want to use light
weight desktop you could try TDE which is continuation of KDE3. There you
can configure the background per workspace.

regards