Re: file server

[Celejar]

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 16:57:34 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater"  wrote:

...

> Something like a second hand HP tower server - say a Z440 - and 7 x 18TB 
> drives

I'm just curious, since I have a Z440 and it's a workstation, not a
server, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't have 7 drive bays: did you
perhaps mean something else?

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Re: file server

[ce]

On 7/12/23 06:09, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:



and then merge them into one volume?


mergerfs

Re: file server

[Stuart Barkley]

On July 12, 2023 10:09:13 AM UTC, Cindy Sue Causey  
wrote:
>On 7/12/23, Stanislav Vlasov  wrote:
>>
>> If your hardware supports 6 hard drives (5*18T + your 2T), you can use
>> lvm for merging 5 of them to one volume, or create raid0 by mdadm.
>> Some risks with plain disk merging - if one of your drives die, entire
>> volume dies.
>> It may be mitigated by use raid5 with 1 additional drive or raid6 with
>> 2 (see
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAIDhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID)
>
>
>Almost typed something similar, just without as much technical
>knowledge to back it up. I like 5 separate, too. If one 18TB dies, the
>other 4 can keep on clicking depending on how one's system is set up.
>
>Cindy :)

It sounds like the OP doesn't need to keep the data.

For others doing RAID systems, be sure you replace failed drives and rebuild 
the RAID before another drive fails.  I've seen cases where the failure is 
ignored which only extends the time until hard failure.

Stuart

Re: file server

[David Christensen]

On 7/12/23 02:44, lina wrote:

Dear all,

My computer only has 2 TB data storage capacity,

I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.

I am thinking of adding 5 hard drives, each is 18TB, and then merge
them into one volume? or get a file server? What is the best option
for me, and what is the budget?

Thanks so much for your advice, best, lina



On 7/12/23 04:48, lina wrote:

Currently I do not have a plan to keep the data, once the data
finished analyzing, I can just remove it.



On 7/12/23 06:00, lina wrote:

I need to extract the data for downstream analysis. after that, these
data can be removed.


It is hard to provide recommendations without knowing your computer, 
your network, your analysis, your quality metrics, or your budget.



I use ZFS.  Given an x86_64/amd64 computer with Debian, sufficient HDD 
bays, and sufficient HBA ports, yes, you could install 5 @ 18 TB HDD's 
and merge them into one 90 TB ZFS pool.  If your computer has 5 bays and 
ports, this will be your lowest cost solution; but is unlikely to be 
your "best" solution.



ZFS likes memory; the more the better.  (I use ECC memory.)  For 90 TB, 
I would consider filling all memory slots with the fastest and largest 
modules that are supported.



ZFS allows SSD's to be added as read cache devices and/or write cache 
devices.  Done correctly, either or both can improve performance at a 
fraction the cost of all-SSD storage.



If your analysis can make use of concurrent I/O, more drives of smaller 
size each will improve performance.  One or more external chassis may be 
desirable:


 6 @ 15 TB
 9 @ 10 TB
10 @  9 TB
15 @  6 TB
18 @  5 TB
30 @  3 TB
45 @  2 TB
90 @  1 TB


And, smaller drives make RAID more feasible.  E.g. 20 @ 6 TB arranged as 
5 raidz1 virtual devices (vdev) of 4 drives each would provide 90 TB of 
storage, support 5 concurrent I/O operations, and tolerate 1 drive 
failure per vdev at an incremental cost of +33%.  Whereas 10 @ 18 TB 
drives arranged as 5 mirror vdev's of 2 drives each would provide 90 TB 
of storage, support 5 concurrent I/O operations, and tolerate 1 drive 
failure per vdev at an incremental cost of +100%.  But, the latter will 
resilver faster when you replace a failed drive (or a spare activates).



If your analysis can be partitioned across multiple threads and the 
threads have independent memory and I/O patterns, putting the data onto 
a file server (or NAS) would allow multiple computers to work together 
and do the analysis in less time.  You will want a fast connection 
between the analysis computers and the storage server (e.g. 10+ Gbps 
Ethernet).  (Alternatively, a storage area network; SAN.)



David

Re: file server

[tomas]

On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 11:00:30AM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 6:07 AM jeremy ardley  wrote:
> >
> > On 12/7/23 17:44, lina wrote:
> > > My computer only has 2 TB data storage capacity,
> > >
> > > I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.
> >
> > On this scale it's almost certainly easier and cheaper to use a cloud
> > provider who can provide a good CPU and a large attached storage.
> >
> > I use AWS as a provider for this type of application, but you can find
> > many other providers at various price points.
> 
> One of my favorite tee-shirts:
> https://www.amazon.com/s?k=there+is+no+cloud+tee+shirt

There is /some/ irony in Amazon selling this, isnt't it? Buying from
that outfit is one of the things I hope I never have to do.

I'd prefer the original, anyway :-)

  https://fsfe.org/order/2016/tshirt-nocloud-black-front-large.jpg

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Re: file server

[debian-user]

lina  wrote:
> I need to extract the data for downstream analysis. after that, these
> data can be removed.

Do you need all the data present at the same time to extract it?
Obviously you won't need as much storage if you can analyse/extract it
in sections.

> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 2:24 PM Jerome BENOIT
>  wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > On 12/07/2023 13:48, lina wrote:  
> > > Currently I do not have a plan to keep the data, once the data
> > > finished  
> > analyzing, I can just remove it.
> >
> > Do you want a `scratch space` [1] ?
> > What can be also interesting to know is whether you can compress
> > your data.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Jerome
> >
> > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratch_space
> >  
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 12:26 PM Dan Ritter
> > >  > > wrote:  
> > >
> > > lina wrote:  
> > >  > Dear all,
> > >  >
> > >  > My computer only has 2 TB data storage capacity,
> > >  >
> > >  > I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.
> > >  >
> > >  > I am thinking of adding 5 hard drives, each is 18TB, and
> > >  > then  
> > merge them  
> > >  > into one volume?
> > >  > or get a file server?
> > >  > What is the best option for me, and what is the budget?  
> > >
> > > Two questions:
> > >
> > > - do you have a backup plan in mind, or will you accept the
> > > loss of all data?
> > >
> > > - how fast does new data come in, and how long do you need to
> > >keep it around?
> > >
> > > -dsr-
> > >  
> >  

Re: file server

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 01:48:28PM +0200, lina wrote:
> Currently I do not have a plan to keep the data, once the data finished
> analyzing, I can just remove it.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 12:26 PM Dan Ritter  wrote:
> 
> > lina wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > My computer only has 2 TB data storage capacity,
> > >
> > > I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.
> > >

*Maybe* AWS storage might be cheaper if you're going to throw the data
away eventually - but the costs of getting 100TB in here might be 
considerable in data transfer fees.

Something like a second hand HP tower server - say a Z440 - and 7 x 18TB drives
(to allow for failure - LVM is lovely when it works, but not when a drive
fails - LVM over RAID 10 is much better) is going to be expensive in terms
of disks but reliable and reusable.

Andy


> > > I am thinking of adding 5 hard drives, each is 18TB, and then merge them
> > > into one volume?
> > > or get a file server?
> > > What is the best option for me, and what is the budget?
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > - do you have a backup plan in mind, or will you accept the loss
> >   of all data?
> >
> > - how fast does new data come in, and how long do you need to
> >   keep it around?
> >
> > -dsr-
> >

Re: file server

[Dan Ritter]

lina wrote: 
> Currently I do not have a plan to keep the data, once the data finished
> analyzing, I can just remove it.


OK.

If your computer has sufficient physical space and SATA
interfaces, you can install 5 x 18TB or 5 x 20TB or however many
disks that you like, and use mdadm in linear or stripe mode, or
ZFS in stripe mode, or just mount them all as individual
volumes.

There is no data protection in any of these modes.

If you do not have enough SATA interfaces, but has a PCIe slot available,
you can use a SAS controller with, most usefully, an LSI 3008 interface
chip to plug in an external box. The useful variants of that card include
the 9300 4i4e and 9300 8e.

That card would connect to a storage enclosure which would hold
the drives and a power supply. They are typically available to
hold 4, 6, 8, and 12 3.5" disks.

Linux has built-in support for the 9300 series cards. If the
vendor offers you a choice of R mode or IT mode firmware, you
want the IT mode firmware -- it is more flexible, and easier to
use with mdadm and ZFS and such. The R mode implements a RAID
system directly.

-dsr-

Re: file server

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 6:07 AM jeremy ardley  wrote:
>
> On 12/7/23 17:44, lina wrote:
> > My computer only has 2 TB data storage capacity,
> >
> > I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.
>
> On this scale it's almost certainly easier and cheaper to use a cloud
> provider who can provide a good CPU and a large attached storage.
>
> I use AWS as a provider for this type of application, but you can find
> many other providers at various price points.

One of my favorite tee-shirts:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=there+is+no+cloud+tee+shirt

On a more serious note, the cloud is fine as long as you don't mind
someone else fingering your data.[1,2,3,4,...]

[1] https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/amazon-data-investigation
[2] https://threatpost.com/amazon-fires-employee-customer-data/160610/
[3] 
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/10/18177305/ring-employees-unencrypted-customer-video-amazon
[4] 
https://www.geekwire.com/2020/amazon-fires-employees-leaking-customer-data-days-disclosing-ring-dismissals/

Jeff

Re: file server

[lina]

I need to extract the data for downstream analysis. after that, these data
can be removed.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 2:24 PM Jerome BENOIT 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On 12/07/2023 13:48, lina wrote:
> > Currently I do not have a plan to keep the data, once the data finished
> analyzing, I can just remove it.
>
> Do you want a `scratch space` [1] ?
> What can be also interesting to know is whether you can compress your data.
>
> Best wishes,
> Jerome
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratch_space
>
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 12:26 PM Dan Ritter  > wrote:
> >
> > lina wrote:
> >  > Dear all,
> >  >
> >  > My computer only has 2 TB data storage capacity,
> >  >
> >  > I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.
> >  >
> >  > I am thinking of adding 5 hard drives, each is 18TB, and then
> merge them
> >  > into one volume?
> >  > or get a file server?
> >  > What is the best option for me, and what is the budget?
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > - do you have a backup plan in mind, or will you accept the loss
> >of all data?
> >
> > - how fast does new data come in, and how long do you need to
> >keep it around?
> >
> > -dsr-
> >
>

Re: file server

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello,

On 12/07/2023 13:48, lina wrote:

Currently I do not have a plan to keep the data, once the data finished 
analyzing, I can just remove it.


Do you want a `scratch space` [1] ?
What can be also interesting to know is whether you can compress your data.

Best wishes,
Jerome

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratch_space



On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 12:26 PM Dan Ritter mailto:d...@randomstring.org>> wrote:

lina wrote:
 > Dear all,
 >
 > My computer only has 2 TB data storage capacity,
 >
 > I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.
 >
 > I am thinking of adding 5 hard drives, each is 18TB, and then merge them
 > into one volume?
 > or get a file server?
 > What is the best option for me, and what is the budget?

Two questions:

- do you have a backup plan in mind, or will you accept the loss
   of all data?

- how fast does new data come in, and how long do you need to
   keep it around?

-dsr-

Re: file server

[gene heskett]

On 7/12/23 06:52, Dan Purgert wrote:

On Jul 12, 2023, gene heskett wrote:

On 7/12/23 06:01, Stanislav Vlasov wrote:

ср, 12 июл. 2023 г. в 14:45, lina :
[...]
2 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAIDhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID)

Unfortunately, I'm getting wikipedia's fancy 403 at that link?


Seems it was doubled-up.  The correct link is simply

   


Got it, thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: file server

[lina]

Currently I do not have a plan to keep the data, once the data finished
analyzing, I can just remove it.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 12:26 PM Dan Ritter  wrote:

> lina wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > My computer only has 2 TB data storage capacity,
> >
> > I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.
> >
> > I am thinking of adding 5 hard drives, each is 18TB, and then merge them
> > into one volume?
> > or get a file server?
> > What is the best option for me, and what is the budget?
>
> Two questions:
>
> - do you have a backup plan in mind, or will you accept the loss
>   of all data?
>
> - how fast does new data come in, and how long do you need to
>   keep it around?
>
> -dsr-
>

Re: file server

[Dan Purgert]

On Jul 12, 2023, gene heskett wrote:
> On 7/12/23 06:01, Stanislav Vlasov wrote:
> > ср, 12 июл. 2023 г. в 14:45, lina :
> > [...]
> > 2 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAIDhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID)
> Unfortunately, I'm getting wikipedia's fancy 403 at that link?

Seems it was doubled-up.  The correct link is simply 

  

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Re: file server

[Carl Fink]

On 7/12/23 06:49, gene heskett wrote:

On 7/12/23 06:01, Stanislav Vlasov wrote:

ср, 12 июл. 2023 г. в 14:45, lina :

I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.
I am thinking of adding 5 hard drives, each is 18TB,


Some primitive calcs: 5*18T = 90T, not 100T. Maybe you need 6 hdd?


and then merge them into one volume?


If your hardware supports 6 hard drives (5*18T + your 2T), you can use
lvm for merging 5 of them to one volume, or create raid0 by mdadm.
Some risks with plain disk merging - if one of your drives die, entire
volume dies.
It may be mitigated by use raid5 with 1 additional drive or raid6 with
2 (see 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAIDhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID)


--
Stanislav

.

Unfortunately, I'm getting wikipedia's fancy 403 at that link?

Cheers, Gene Heskett.



It's a double-paste. The real URL is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

-Carl Fink

Re: file server

[gene heskett]

On 7/12/23 06:01, Stanislav Vlasov wrote:

ср, 12 июл. 2023 г. в 14:45, lina :

I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.
I am thinking of adding 5 hard drives, each is 18TB,


Some primitive calcs: 5*18T = 90T, not 100T. Maybe you need 6 hdd?


and then merge them into one volume?


If your hardware supports 6 hard drives (5*18T + your 2T), you can use
lvm for merging 5 of them to one volume, or create raid0 by mdadm.
Some risks with plain disk merging - if one of your drives die, entire
volume dies.
It may be mitigated by use raid5 with 1 additional drive or raid6 with
2 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAIDhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID)

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.

Unfortunately, I'm getting wikipedia's fancy 403 at that link?

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: file server

[Dan Ritter]

lina wrote: 
> Dear all,
> 
> My computer only has 2 TB data storage capacity,
> 
> I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.
> 
> I am thinking of adding 5 hard drives, each is 18TB, and then merge them
> into one volume?
> or get a file server?
> What is the best option for me, and what is the budget?

Two questions:

- do you have a backup plan in mind, or will you accept the loss
  of all data?

- how fast does new data come in, and how long do you need to
  keep it around?

-dsr-

Re: file server

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 7/12/23, Stanislav Vlasov  wrote:
> ср, 12 июл. 2023 г. в 14:45, lina :
>> I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.
>> I am thinking of adding 5 hard drives, each is 18TB,
>
> Some primitive calcs: 5*18T = 90T, not 100T. Maybe you need 6 hdd?
>
>> and then merge them into one volume?
>
> If your hardware supports 6 hard drives (5*18T + your 2T), you can use
> lvm for merging 5 of them to one volume, or create raid0 by mdadm.
> Some risks with plain disk merging - if one of your drives die, entire
> volume dies.
> It may be mitigated by use raid5 with 1 additional drive or raid6 with
> 2 (see
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAIDhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID)


Almost typed something similar, just without as much technical
knowledge to back it up. I like 5 separate, too. If one 18TB dies, the
other 4 can keep on clicking depending on how one's system is set up.

Cindy :)
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Re: file server

[jeremy ardley]

On 12/7/23 17:44, lina wrote:

My computer only has 2 TB data storage capacity,

I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.



On this scale it's almost certainly easier and cheaper to use a cloud 
provider who can provide a good CPU and a large attached storage.


I use AWS as a provider for this type of application, but you can find 
many other providers at various price points.



Jeremy

Re: file server

[Stanislav Vlasov]

ср, 12 июл. 2023 г. в 14:45, lina :
> I want to have 100 TB capacity to store/analyze data.
> I am thinking of adding 5 hard drives, each is 18TB,

Some primitive calcs: 5*18T = 90T, not 100T. Maybe you need 6 hdd?

> and then merge them into one volume?

If your hardware supports 6 hard drives (5*18T + your 2T), you can use
lvm for merging 5 of them to one volume, or create raid0 by mdadm.
Some risks with plain disk merging - if one of your drives die, entire
volume dies.
It may be mitigated by use raid5 with 1 additional drive or raid6 with
2 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAIDhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID)

--
Stanislav

Re: File server without the Xserver

[Andrei Popescu]

On Vi, 11 mar 11, 19:42:47, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 If you want to make sure you get all the GUI tools you need without
 chasing them down individually after doing a text only install, simply
 do a standard desktop install but then set the default runlevel to 2.

2 *is* the default runlevel in Debian, probably because runlevels 2 to 5 
are by default identical.

Regards,
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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Stan Hoeppner]

Andrei Popescu put forth on 3/12/2011 4:10 AM:
 On Vi, 11 mar 11, 19:42:47, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 If you want to make sure you get all the GUI tools you need without
 chasing them down individually after doing a text only install, simply
 do a standard desktop install but then set the default runlevel to 2.
 
 2 *is* the default runlevel in Debian, probably because runlevels 2 to 5 
 are by default identical.

Ahh, quite right--got my OSes confused for a moment.

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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Jari Fredriksson]

On 12.3.2011 2:57, Dan wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius dredmorb...@gmail.com wrote:
 on 18:37 Fri 11 Mar, Dan (ganc...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius 
 dredmorb...@gmail.comwrote:
 xauth is required by xbase-clients.  It'll get installed with that.
 
 Should I then install xbase-clients?
 
 

No. I have a lean server, and I want to use gedit by PuTTY in Windows.I
have XMing server on my Windows, and

$ sudo apt-get install gedit

is all I need to do to run gedit. apt-get will install whatever needed.

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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2011-03-12, Jari Fredriksson ja...@iki.fi wrote:

 On 12.3.2011 2:57, Dan wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius dredmorb...@gmail.com=
  wrote:
 on 18:37 Fri 11 Mar, Dan (ganc...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius dredmorb...@gmail.co=
 mwrote:
 xauth is required by xbase-clients.  It'll get installed with that.
=20
 Should I then install xbase-clients?
=20
=20

 No. I have a lean server, and I want to use gedit by PuTTY in Windows.I
 have XMing server on my Windows, and

 $ sudo apt-get install gedit

 is all I need to do to run gedit. apt-get will install whatever needed.


I wonder ... are there any native editors for MS Windows which support
remote filesystem protocols like sftp://? If you could find such
software then you could strip your server down even leaner.

Just a thought.

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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Leonardo Ruoso]

Is it  all about running gedit?

Although I can't imagine why you can't use vim, emacs or even nano from ssh
it's pretty possible to download a copy of the file, edit it with your
preferred editor and upload it back to the server.

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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Jari Fredriksson]

On 12.3.2011 23:50, Leonardo Ruoso wrote:
 Is it  all about running gedit? 
 
 Although I can't imagine why you can't use vim, emacs or even nano from
 ssh it's pretty possible to download a copy of the file, edit it with
 your preferred editor and upload it back to the server.
 

I'm not the OP, I just told my case.I use vim 99.9% of my edits,when
sometimes I need gedit for something that I can not do with vim (because
I just can't, I have never learned the keyboard commands for vim, except
very basic insert,append,delete ;)).

Xserver on windows is mandatory too, as some software from commercial
sources (IBM, Oracle in my case) require X, so it is not so hard.

Windows editor with sftp-support is not what I want, I work on Linux
command line anyway.



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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Dr. Ed Morbius]

on 21:50 Sat 12 Mar, Leonardo Ruoso (leonardo.ru...@gmail.com) wrote:
 Is it  all about running gedit?
 
 Although I can't imagine why you can't use vim, emacs or even nano from ssh
 it's pretty possible to download a copy of the file, edit it with your
 preferred editor and upload it back to the server.

Or:

In vim: edit vi ssh access:

vim scp://hostname/path/to/file

Or (as recently discussed):  mount the remote directory locally using
sshfs:

http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html

This last allows you to use /any/ locally supported editor or program to
your heart's content.

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Re: File server without the Xserver

[shawn wilson]

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Dan ganc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I am going to prepare a File Server with Debian in a ProLiant and I think
 that I will not install the X-Server. But I would like to run remotely some
 gnome X programs with ssh. Which package should I install to do this,  only
 xauth or I also need xbase-clients plus the gnome programs?

 Is it better for a File Server to make a text-based installation or it is
 recommended to install also the X-Server to have GUI in the server?

 file server != application server. personally, i enjoy running linux (or
bsd) based file servers rather than emc and the like. however, if you run
gui applications, it will take up some of the network resources (and disk)
for your application.

if you want to run x windows apps, you need the x server (i think that's
just xserver-common). and you'll want to look at these in ssh_config:
   ForwardX11 no
   ForwardX11Trusted yes

that's really about it. just ssh -x host and export DISPLAY=0:0 (iirc) and
launch whatever you want.

Re: File server without the Xserver

[Erwan David]

On 11/03/11 22:07, shawn wilson wrote:

 if you want to run x windows apps, you need the x server (i think that's
 just xserver-common). and you'll want to look at these in ssh_config:
ForwardX11 no
ForwardX11Trusted yes

No you do not need the X server for running X applications remotely.

Best solution is tio install applications you want through apt/aptitude
and the needed libraries will be installed as dependencies.


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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Dr. Ed Morbius]

on 15:41 Fri 11 Mar, Dan (ganc...@gmail.com) wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I am going to prepare a File Server with Debian in a ProLiant and I think
 that I will not install the X-Server. But I would like to run remotely some
 gnome X programs with ssh. Which package should I install to do this,  only
 xauth or I also need xbase-clients plus the gnome programs?

You'll just need the x clients components.  APT will handle those
dependencies nicely for you.  That's its job.

Installing an X server is unnecessary unless you're running a display
locally.  Some remote display protocols (VNC, NX) essentially /do/ do
this, and when used in this fashion, you could install /their/ X server
components to satisfy requirements.

For remote tunnelled SSH X11 clients, you're using your local X11
server.
 
 Is it better for a File Server to make a text-based installation or it is
 recommended to install also the X-Server to have GUI in the server?

My preference is to keep servers as lean as possible.  The
CPU/disk/memory overhead is generally not a concern.  Security/stability
and risk of cruft is.  Some vendors absolutely insist on having a full
GUI installed to use, or (in the case of Oracle), simply to /install/
their products.

Nuts.

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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Dan]

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius dredmorb...@gmail.comwrote:

 on 15:41 Fri 11 Mar, Dan (ganc...@gmail.com) wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I am going to prepare a File Server with Debian in a ProLiant and I think
  that I will not install the X-Server. But I would like to run remotely
 some
  gnome X programs with ssh. Which package should I install to do this,
  only
  xauth or I also need xbase-clients plus the gnome programs?

 You'll just need the x clients components.  APT will handle those
 dependencies nicely for you.  That's its job.

 Installing an X server is unnecessary unless you're running a display
 locally.  Some remote display protocols (VNC, NX) essentially /do/ do
 this, and when used in this fashion, you could install /their/ X server
 components to satisfy requirements.

 For remote tunnelled SSH X11 clients, you're using your local X11
 server.

  Is it better for a File Server to make a text-based installation or it is
  recommended to install also the X-Server to have GUI in the server?

 My preference is to keep servers as lean as possible.  The
 CPU/disk/memory overhead is generally not a concern.  Security/stability
 and risk of cruft is.  Some vendors absolutely insist on having a full
 GUI installed to use, or (in the case of Oracle), simply to /install/
 their products.

 Nuts.


Yes I do agree that it is better to keep the server as lean as possible.
That is why I will not install the XServer

I will just use apt to handle the dependencies but I will check that xauth
is also installed. I think that I need xauth to tunnel X11 through ssh.

Dan

Re: File server without the Xserver

[Dr. Ed Morbius]

on 18:37 Fri 11 Mar, Dan (ganc...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius dredmorb...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  on 15:41 Fri 11 Mar, Dan (ganc...@gmail.com) wrote:
   Hi,
  
   I am going to prepare a File Server with Debian in a ProLiant and I think
   that I will not install the X-Server. But I would like to run remotely
  some
   gnome X programs with ssh. Which package should I install to do this,
   only
   xauth or I also need xbase-clients plus the gnome programs?
 
  You'll just need the x clients components.  APT will handle those
  dependencies nicely for you.  That's its job.
 
  Installing an X server is unnecessary unless you're running a display
  locally.  Some remote display protocols (VNC, NX) essentially /do/ do
  this, and when used in this fashion, you could install /their/ X server
  components to satisfy requirements.
 
  For remote tunnelled SSH X11 clients, you're using your local X11
  server.
 
   Is it better for a File Server to make a text-based installation or it is
   recommended to install also the X-Server to have GUI in the server?
 
  My preference is to keep servers as lean as possible.  The
  CPU/disk/memory overhead is generally not a concern.  Security/stability
  and risk of cruft is.  Some vendors absolutely insist on having a full
  GUI installed to use, or (in the case of Oracle), simply to /install/
  their products.
 
  Nuts.
 
 
 Yes I do agree that it is better to keep the server as lean as possible.
 That is why I will not install the XServer
 
 I will just use apt to handle the dependencies but I will check that xauth
 is also installed. I think that I need xauth to tunnel X11 through ssh.

xauth is required by xbase-clients.  It'll get installed with that.

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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Dan]

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius dredmorb...@gmail.com wrote:
 on 18:37 Fri 11 Mar, Dan (ganc...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius dredmorb...@gmail.comwrote:
 xauth is required by xbase-clients.  It'll get installed with that.

Should I then install xbase-clients?


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Re: File server without the Xserver

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on 19:57 Fri 11 Mar, Dan (ganc...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius dredmorb...@gmail.com wrote:
  on 18:37 Fri 11 Mar, Dan (ganc...@gmail.com) wrote:
  On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius 
  dredmorb...@gmail.comwrote:
  xauth is required by xbase-clients.  It'll get installed with that.
 
 Should I then install xbase-clients?

Please re-read the first paragraph I wrote in my first response to you
on this thread.

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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Dr. Ed Morbius]

on 16:07 Fri 11 Mar, shawn wilson (ag4ve...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Dan ganc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  I am going to prepare a File Server with Debian in a ProLiant and I think
  that I will not install the X-Server. But I would like to run remotely some
  gnome X programs with ssh. Which package should I install to do this,  only
  xauth or I also need xbase-clients plus the gnome programs?
 
  Is it better for a File Server to make a text-based installation or it is
  recommended to install also the X-Server to have GUI in the server?
 
 file server != application server. personally, i enjoy running linux (or
 bsd) based file servers rather than emc and the like. however, if you run
 gui applications, it will take up some of the network resources (and disk)
 for your application.

This is a minimal consideration, really, for modern server systems.
 
 if you want to run x windows apps, you need the x server (i think that's

Incorrect.

 just xserver-common). and you'll want to look at these in ssh_config:
ForwardX11 no
ForwardX11Trusted yes
 
 that's really about it. just ssh -x host and export DISPLAY=0:0
 (iirc) and launch whatever you want.

No export is necessary.  In fact, that will break SSH's X11 forwarding,
as it creates its own socket and sets DISPLAY appropriately.

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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Stan Hoeppner]

Dan put forth on 3/11/2011 2:41 PM:
 Hi,
 
 I am going to prepare a File Server with Debian in a ProLiant and I think
 that I will not install the X-Server. But I would like to run remotely some
 gnome X programs with ssh. Which package should I install to do this,  only
 xauth or I also need xbase-clients plus the gnome programs?
 
 Is it better for a File Server to make a text-based installation or it is
 recommended to install also the X-Server to have GUI in the server?

If you want to make sure you get all the GUI tools you need without
chasing them down individually after doing a text only install, simply
do a standard desktop install but then set the default runlevel to 2.

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Re: File Server

[Chris Davies]

Lynn Kilroy phile...@hotmail.com wrote:
 My goal is to use the linux machine as a rather expensive external
 hard disk drive.

You might want to consider OpenNAS (?), or one of the SLUGs that run a
Linux distribution. But that's not Debian so maybe I shouldn't suggest
it ;-)

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Re: File Server

[Jan Muszynski]

Lynn Kilroy wrote:
 I imagine this question has been answered lots of times, but I'll be
 dumb and ask it again.
  
 I am setting up a Debian computer and hope to use it primarily as a file
 server.  This is for a network, and all the computers network together
 through an ISDN router modem thingy.  We have two Windows XP
 Professional Edition computers able to pass files back and forth through
 this network.
  
 How would I set up the Linux box so it can be seen on this network?  
 snip 

# aptitude install samba swat
swat = configure samba via web browser http://localhost:901

http://us6.samba.org/samba/
See links under learn samaba on left.

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Re: File Server

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Lynn Kilroy wrote:
 I imagine this question has been answered lots of times, but I'll be
 dumb and ask it again.
  
 I am setting up a Debian computer and hope to use it primarily as a file
 server.  This is for a network, and all the computers network together
 through an ISDN router modem thingy.  We have two Windows XP
 Professional Edition computers able to pass files back and forth through
 this network.
  
 How would I set up the Linux box so it can be seen on this network?  How
 easy will it be to access the files on the computer, or for the windows
 machines to write to it?  What will I need to do with the Windows
 machines to simplify this, if anything at all?
  
 My goal is to use the linux machine as a rather expensive external hard
 disk drive.  We evidently had some bad drives, and now we have a good
 one, and rather than try to move everything off this machine, and put
 Windows and all the programs I want to run on the new one, I feel it
 will be simpler if I just park all the files off these computers on to
 the linux machine for backup.  Also, some files will likely be saved to
 and worked on directly from the Debian machine.
  
 There are two computers that we want to be able to access this machines
 files in this way.
  
 Thanks for any information you can give me, even if they're just links
 to how-tos. :-)
  
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A SAMBA file server will do the trick for you. It can be accessed by
both Linux and Windows OSs.

Check out Setting Up a Linux File Server on the following site.
 http://www.aboutdebian.com

For more details on SAMBA see
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Re: file server admin.

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-12-04 12:02:44, schrieb David:
 Greetings all.
 
 I'm about to attempt configuring my first ever file server.
 It's based on an old HP E200 with three equally old SATA drives.
 
 I've done package searches on package descriptions and got a plethora of 
 package names that may or may not have application to the situation.
 
 Has anybody got a recommendation for a gui that would help a new user 
 set up and allocate file/group permissions?
 
 It will have to interface with window machines also.

After installing the Debian-base (NOT MORE) do an

apt-get install samba swat samba-doc

which will install a Windows compatible fileserver...

Administration is done directly over a Webinterface using swat

Note:  If you install only the bare minimum, you need around 400 MByte
   of diskspace and it is easy and fast to do backups...

ATTENTION:  Please read the documentation for samba.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
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Michelle Konzack wrote:

Am 2007-12-04 12:02:44, schrieb David:

Greetings all.

I'm about to attempt configuring my first ever file server.
It's based on an old HP E200 with three equally old SATA drives.

I've done package searches on package descriptions and got a plethora of 
package names that may or may not have application to the situation.


Has anybody got a recommendation for a gui that would help a new user 
set up and allocate file/group permissions?


It will have to interface with window machines also.


After installing the Debian-base (NOT MORE) do an

apt-get install samba swat samba-doc

which will install a Windows compatible fileserver...

Administration is done directly over a Webinterface using swat

Note:  If you install only the bare minimum, you need around 400 MByte
   of diskspace and it is easy and fast to do backups...

ATTENTION:  Please read the documentation for samba.


Thanks for that, Michelle.


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Re: |File server com Samba + Unicode

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On 06/18/2007 01:33 PM, Gustavo Tux wrote:
 Muito obrigado querido colega Felipe!

De nada.


 Mas... Vamos por partes...

 Usar UTF-8, o Samba é UTF-8 por padrão
 quanto a isto tudo bem, eu já sabia que o Samba usa o UTF-8 por padrão

O Samba3. O Samba 2 não utilizava.


 Além disso, configurar o seus sistema de arquivos pra suportar UTF-8
 Como eu faria isto? Por favor me perdoe a minha ignorência.

Isso depende do seu sistema de arquivos. Basicamente é
checar a página do manual, a maioria deles suporta por padrão.


 e ter os locales também configurados de acordo
 Como faço isto? Eu só sei fazer isto quando baixo o pacote do
 Mozilla-firefox-Localle-pt-br,
 como seria isto para todo o sistema?

dpkg-reconfigure locales


 Finalmente, usar o convmv para converter os nomes dos arquivos para UTF-8.
 Não faço idéia do que seja isto. Como faço?

Instale o pacote convmv, leia a manpage dele e utilize-o
para ajustar os nomes dos arquivos no seu sistema de arquivos
para UTF-8.


 Peço humildemente que o semnhor tenha um pouco de paciência comigo pois
 sou esforçado mas não sou muito familiarizado com este tipo de problema
 que estou enfrentando.

Você não precisa me chamar de senhor. :-)

E eu tenho paciência, fique tranqüilo, você vai ter que
ter mais paciência para ler bastante documentação e páginas de
manual sobre UTF-8, locales e encoding.


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On 06/18/2007 10:08 PM, Edmundo Valle Neto wrote:
 Também acho que o ideal é utilizar UTF-8. Porém dependendo da versão do
 Debian utilizada a console somente texto não acentua, ou seja, utilizar
 UTF-8 em servidores (que obviamente não têm interface gráfica) não é lá
 muito agradável quando você têm que acessar trocentos diretórios
 acentuados ou recuperar backups, além de bagunçar alguns caracteres de
 aplicações com interface ncurses como o midnight commander (isso
 acontece no Sarge e não sei qual o estado disso no Etch). 

Eu usava UTF-8 nos servidores Sarge da empresa sem maiores
problemas, ainda que a acentuação estivesse quebrada, na maioria
das vezes o trabalho é feito via ssh ou screen e estes costumam ter
melhor suporte a UTF-8.


 No Ubuntu sei
 que o suporte a UTF-8 na console somente texto começou a funcionar de
 forma adequada com caracteres e acentuação para o Português somente a
 partir do Edgy Eft (6.10).

Sem dúvida, no Etch é muito melhor que no Sarge. :-)


 Mas, se você quiser continuar utilizando ISO8859-1 você pode utilizar as
 opções iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=cp850 (se você estiver usando o
 smbmount) ou somente iocharset=iso8859-1 (se você estiver usando o
 mount.cifs) na montagem.

Não. UTF-8 para quem usa Samba é o melhor. Manter as coisas
em ISO8859-1 vai dar dor de cabeça no futuro de um jeito ou de outro.


 Atenciosamente.
 Edmundo Valle Neto

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[Edmundo Valle Neto]

Gustavo Tux escreveu:

aonde eu identificaria a localle?


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Google

pesquisar por debian exibir locale

5a entrada - http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.pt-br.html

...
O programa |locale| pode exibir as configurações ativas de locale e os 
locales disponíveis; veja |locale(1)|. (NOTA: locale -a lista todos os 
locales que seu sistema conhece; isso /não/ significa que todos eles 
estão compilados! Veja Ativando suporte a locale, Seção 9.7.4 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.pt-br.html#s-activate-locales.)

...

Ensina como mudar o locale atual também.


OU

Pode ser utilizado o apropos para procurar coisas quando não se sabe 
utiliza-las.


(exibe a página de manual para o apropos, explicando para que serve o 
apropos)

# man apropos

...
apropos - search the manual page names and descriptions
...

(usa o apropos para procurar pela palavra locale)
# apropos locale

locale (1)   - Get locale-specific information.
locale (5)   - Describes a locale definition file
locale (7)   - Description of multi-language support
...

(exibe a página de manual para o comando locale da seção 1 (programas 
executáveis ou comandos do shell), que conforme a descrição (obtida pelo 
apropos) diz, serve para obter informações específicas do locale)

# man 1 locale


Provavelmente você está utilizando um sistema com suporte a UTF-8 e 
configurando o Samba para utilizar ISO8859-1.
Quando eu citei as opções para montar um compartilhamento utilizando 
ISO8859-1 (baseado na configuração do seu smb.conf) eu estava me 
referindo a manter uma configuração já feita em ISO8859-1, se os seus 
clientes e servidores já utilizam UTF-8 não faz muito sentido fazer isso.


Na saída do comando locale você vai ver algo como:

LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8
...

ou

LANG=pt_BR.ISO8859-1
...


Ateciosamente.

Edmundo Valle Neto


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Re: |File server com Samba + Unicode

[Gustavo Tux]

Muito obrigado querido colega Felipe!

Mas... Vamos por partes...

Usar UTF-8, o Samba é UTF-8 por padrão
quanto a isto tudo bem, eu já sabia que o Samba usa o UTF-8 por padrão

Além disso, configurar o seus sistema de arquivos pra suportar UTF-8
Como eu faria isto? Por favor me perdoe a minha ignorência.

e ter os locales também configurados de acordo
Como faço isto? Eu só sei fazer isto quando baixo o pacote do
Mozilla-firefox-Localle-pt-br,
como seria isto para todo o sistema?

Finalmente, usar o convmv para converter os nomes dos arquivos para UTF-8.
Não faço idéia do que seja isto. Como faço?

Peço humildemente que o semnhor tenha um pouco de paciência comigo pois sou
esforçado mas não sou muito familiarizado com este tipo de problema que
estou enfrentando.

Re: |File server com Samba + Unicode

[Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)]

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On 06/18/2007 04:55 AM, Gustavo Tux wrote:
 Boa noite pessoal!!!
 
 Completando a mensagem que enviei anteriormente... Estou desesperado com
 o quadro que me deparei aqui. Repetindo, levantei um servidor de
 arquivos Samba, quando estive logado em uma estação WINXP fiz uma cópias
 de arquivos para ele, show, mas quando enchergo o servidor de uma
 estação Linux os caracteres (ã, ç á, ó, etc...) ficam loucos. Se faço
 alterações da máquina Linux (criar diretórios ou arquivos) com palavras
 qiue precisem também de caracteres como os citados acima,  esses
 caracteres ficam todos loucos visto de uma máquina Windows. Estou
 precisando organizar e concentrar em um só lugar dados que estão
 espalhados nestas duas máquinas mas estou com medo de que  terei qu 
 escolher um dos dois sistemas para poder fazer alterações e o outro só
 leria, Seria a morte pra mim, na verdade eu desejo fazer alterações nos
 dois sistemas e trabalhar com eles normalmente com todos seus
 caracteres. Coimo proceder? Já pesquisei bastante na Internet e já
 acrescentei algumas linhas nos parâmetros globais do samba tipo:
 
 unix charset = iso8859-1
 dos charset = 850
 preserve case = no
 short preserve case = no
 default case = lower
 case sensitive = no
 display charset = cp850
 
 e nada feito. O que devo fazer mais?

Usar UTF-8, o Samba é UTF-8 por padrão. Além disso, configurar
o seus sistema de arquivos pra suportar UTF-8 e ter os locales também
configurados de acordo. Finalmente, usar o convmv para converter os
nomes dos arquivos para UTF-8.


Abraço,

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Re: |File server com Samba + Unicode

[Edmundo Valle Neto]

Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) escreveu:

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On 06/18/2007 04:55 AM, Gustavo Tux wrote:
  

Boa noite pessoal!!!

Completando a mensagem que enviei anteriormente... Estou desesperado com
o quadro que me deparei aqui. Repetindo, levantei um servidor de
arquivos Samba, quando estive logado em uma estação WINXP fiz uma cópias
de arquivos para ele, show, mas quando enchergo o servidor de uma
estação Linux os caracteres (ã, ç á, ó, etc...) ficam loucos. Se faço
alterações da máquina Linux (criar diretórios ou arquivos) com palavras
qiue precisem também de caracteres como os citados acima,  esses
caracteres ficam todos loucos visto de uma máquina Windows. Estou
precisando organizar e concentrar em um só lugar dados que estão
espalhados nestas duas máquinas mas estou com medo de que  terei qu 
escolher um dos dois sistemas para poder fazer alterações e o outro só

leria, Seria a morte pra mim, na verdade eu desejo fazer alterações nos
dois sistemas e trabalhar com eles normalmente com todos seus
caracteres. Coimo proceder? Já pesquisei bastante na Internet e já
acrescentei algumas linhas nos parâmetros globais do samba tipo:

unix charset = iso8859-1
dos charset = 850
preserve case = no
short preserve case = no
default case = lower
case sensitive = no
display charset = cp850

e nada feito. O que devo fazer mais?



Usar UTF-8, o Samba é UTF-8 por padrão. Além disso, configurar
o seus sistema de arquivos pra suportar UTF-8 e ter os locales também
configurados de acordo. Finalmente, usar o convmv para converter os
nomes dos arquivos para UTF-8.


Abraço,

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Também acho que o ideal é utilizar UTF-8. Porém dependendo da versão do 
Debian utilizada a console somente texto não acentua, ou seja, utilizar 
UTF-8 em servidores (que obviamente não têm interface gráfica) não é lá 
muito agradável quando você têm que acessar trocentos diretórios 
acentuados ou recuperar backups, além de bagunçar alguns caracteres de 
aplicações com interface ncurses como o midnight commander (isso 
acontece no Sarge e não sei qual o estado disso no Etch). No Ubuntu sei 
que o suporte a UTF-8 na console somente texto começou a funcionar de 
forma adequada com caracteres e acentuação para o Português somente a 
partir do Edgy Eft (6.10).


Mas, se você quiser continuar utilizando ISO8859-1 você pode utilizar as 
opções iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=cp850 (se você estiver usando o 
smbmount) ou somente iocharset=iso8859-1 (se você estiver usando o 
mount.cifs) na montagem.


Atenciosamente.

Edmundo Valle Neto


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Re: |File server com Samba + Unicode

[Gustavo Tux]

Muito obrigado Edmundo!

Eu estou usando o Debian 4.0 (Etch), não entendi quando vc fala em usar o
servidor somente console... na verdade os servers não são para rodarem em
modo texto? e isto influencia nos arquivos que armazenamos nele e são
visualizados por outras estações?

Em 18/06/07, Edmundo Valle Neto [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:


Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) escreveu:
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 On 06/18/2007 04:55 AM, Gustavo Tux wrote:

 Boa noite pessoal!!!

 Completando a mensagem que enviei anteriormente... Estou desesperado
com
 o quadro que me deparei aqui. Repetindo, levantei um servidor de
 arquivos Samba, quando estive logado em uma estação WINXP fiz uma
cópias
 de arquivos para ele, show, mas quando enchergo o servidor de uma
 estação Linux os caracteres (ã, ç á, ó, etc...) ficam loucos. Se faço
 alterações da máquina Linux (criar diretórios ou arquivos) com palavras
 qiue precisem também de caracteres como os citados acima,  esses
 caracteres ficam todos loucos visto de uma máquina Windows. Estou
 precisando organizar e concentrar em um só lugar dados que estão
 espalhados nestas duas máquinas mas estou com medo de que  terei qu
 escolher um dos dois sistemas para poder fazer alterações e o outro só
 leria, Seria a morte pra mim, na verdade eu desejo fazer alterações nos
 dois sistemas e trabalhar com eles normalmente com todos seus
 caracteres. Coimo proceder? Já pesquisei bastante na Internet e já
 acrescentei algumas linhas nos parâmetros globais do samba tipo:

 unix charset = iso8859-1
 dos charset = 850
 preserve case = no
 short preserve case = no
 default case = lower
 case sensitive = no
 display charset = cp850

 e nada feito. O que devo fazer mais?


   Usar UTF-8, o Samba é UTF-8 por padrão. Além disso, configurar
 o seus sistema de arquivos pra suportar UTF-8 e ter os locales também
 configurados de acordo. Finalmente, usar o convmv para converter os
 nomes dos arquivos para UTF-8.


   Abraço,

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Também acho que o ideal é utilizar UTF-8. Porém dependendo da versão do
Debian utilizada a console somente texto não acentua, ou seja, utilizar
UTF-8 em servidores (que obviamente não têm interface gráfica) não é lá
muito agradável quando você têm que acessar trocentos diretórios
acentuados ou recuperar backups, além de bagunçar alguns caracteres de
aplicações com interface ncurses como o midnight commander (isso
acontece no Sarge e não sei qual o estado disso no Etch). No Ubuntu sei
que o suporte a UTF-8 na console somente texto começou a funcionar de
forma adequada com caracteres e acentuação para o Português somente a
partir do Edgy Eft (6.10).

Mas, se você quiser continuar utilizando ISO8859-1 você pode utilizar as
opções iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=cp850 (se você estiver usando o
smbmount) ou somente iocharset=iso8859-1 (se você estiver usando o
mount.cifs) na montagem.

Atenciosamente.

Edmundo Valle Neto


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Re: |File server com Samba + Unicode

[Edmundo Valle Neto]

Gustavo Tux escreveu:

Muito obrigado Edmundo!

Eu estou usando o Debian 4.0 (Etch), não entendi quando vc fala em 
usar o servidor somente console... na verdade os servers não são para 
rodarem em modo texto?


Sim são. Eu não disse servidores somente console. Chame como você 
quiser, tem gente que não diferencia shell, console ou terminal. Quando 
eu falo console somente texto estou me referindo à console acessível 
via Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6. Citei servidores porque em desktops além desta 
interface você tem o X ou terminais como o gnome-terminal (neles a 
acentuação funciona sem problemas em UTF-8 já faz um bom tempo) porém em 
servidores esta console somente texto é normalmente a ÚNICA interface e 
não tem outro jeito de contornar os problemas de acentuação (dependendo 
da versão da distribuição utilizada).


e isto influencia nos arquivos que armazenamos nele e são visualizados 
por outras estações?


Não. Isso influencia como os caracteres são vistos POR ELE, seja no 
monitor dele ou por SSH.




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Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) escreveu:
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 On 06/18/2007 04:55 AM, Gustavo Tux wrote:

 Boa noite pessoal!!!

 Completando a mensagem que enviei anteriormente... Estou
desesperado com
 o quadro que me deparei aqui. Repetindo, levantei um servidor de
 arquivos Samba, quando estive logado em uma estação WINXP fiz
uma cópias
 de arquivos para ele, show, mas quando enchergo o servidor de uma
 estação Linux os caracteres (ã, ç á, ó, etc...) ficam loucos.
Se faço
 alterações da máquina Linux (criar diretórios ou arquivos) com
palavras
 qiue precisem também de caracteres como os citados acima,  esses
 caracteres ficam todos loucos visto de uma máquina Windows. Estou
 precisando organizar e concentrar em um só lugar dados que estão
 espalhados nestas duas máquinas mas estou com medo de
que  terei qu
 escolher um dos dois sistemas para poder fazer alterações e o
outro só
 leria, Seria a morte pra mim, na verdade eu desejo fazer
alterações nos
 dois sistemas e trabalhar com eles normalmente com todos seus
 caracteres. Coimo proceder? Já pesquisei bastante na Internet e já
 acrescentei algumas linhas nos parâmetros globais do samba tipo:

 unix charset = iso8859-1
 dos charset = 850
 preserve case = no
 short preserve case = no
 default case = lower
 case sensitive = no
 display charset = cp850

 e nada feito. O que devo fazer mais?


   Usar UTF-8, o Samba é UTF-8 por padrão. Além disso, configurar
 o seus sistema de arquivos pra suportar UTF-8 e ter os locales
também
 configurados de acordo. Finalmente, usar o convmv para converter os
 nomes dos arquivos para UTF-8.


   Abraço,

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Também acho que o ideal é utilizar UTF-8. Porém dependendo da
versão do
Debian utilizada a console somente texto não acentua, ou seja,
utilizar
UTF-8 em servidores (que obviamente não têm interface gráfica) não
é lá
muito agradável quando você têm que acessar trocentos diretórios
acentuados ou recuperar backups, além de bagunçar alguns caracteres de
aplicações com interface ncurses como o midnight commander (isso
acontece no Sarge e não sei qual o estado disso no Etch). No
Ubuntu sei
que o suporte a UTF-8 na console somente texto começou a funcionar de
forma adequada com caracteres e acentuação para o Português somente a
partir do Edgy Eft (6.10).

Mas, se você quiser continuar utilizando ISO8859-1 você pode
utilizar as
opções iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=cp850 (se você estiver usando o
smbmount) ou somente iocharset=iso8859-1 (se você estiver usando o
mount.cifs) na montagem.

Atenciosamente.

Edmundo Valle Neto


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Re: |File server com Samba + Unicode

[Gustavo Tux]

Muito obrigado por este novo esclarecimento!

Fiz as alterações que vc sugeril e copntinua a mesma coisa por exemplo tem
um diretório que se chama Vídeos mas este diretório foi criado em uma
máquina Windows e copiado para o servidor e quando visualiza no
linux(estação) fica assim:V�deos entendeu e quando crio arquivos ou
diretórios no Linux o Windows visualiza com símblos também. ainda não sei
como solucionar.

Re: |File server com Samba + Unicode

[Edmundo Valle Neto]

Gustavo Tux escreveu:

Muito obrigado por este novo esclarecimento!

Fiz as alterações que vc sugeril e copntinua a mesma coisa por exemplo 
tem um diretório que se chama Vídeos mas este diretório foi criado 
em uma máquina Windows e copiado para o servidor e quando visualiza no 
linux(estação) fica assim:V�deos entendeu e quando crio arquivos ou 
diretórios no Linux o Windows visualiza com símblos também. ainda não 
sei como solucionar.


Qual o locale utilizado nesta estação linux?

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aonde eu identificaria a localle?


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Re: File Server

[Helmut Wollmersdorfer]

Florian (flobee) wrote:
Interessanter Threat! Könnt ihr einem Anfänger sagen mit welchen tools 
ich arbeiten muss/kann um Beschädigungen fest zu stellen oder 
Datenrettung vor zu nehmen?
Nimm mal die Manpages von fsck und mkfs als Ausgangspunkt zum Nachlesen. 
Öffne eine Konsole und gib dazu ein:
man fsck
man mkfs
Am Ende jeder Manpage gibt es einen Abschnitt SEE ALSO mit Hinweisen 
auf weitere Manpages.

Ich bin unter Windows mit Festplatten craches relativ geprägt allerdings 
 habe ich tools womit ich immer noch im ernstfall Daten retten konnte. 
Unter ext2/3 oder dem XFS habe ich nicht die leiseste ahnung welche 
tools für check/defragmentierung/recovery zur verfügung stehen was ich 
auch immer noch beunruhigend finde.
Defragmentierung bringt unter Linux kaum Vorteile. Es gibt vereinzelte 
Tools dazu, die sind aber experimentell.

Wie ich hier aus den infos entnehmen kann kommt XFS für mich wohl auch 
in frage.
Für Deine Root-Partition (= /) solltest Du ext2/ext3 verwenden. Ich 
verwende dafür ext3 mit Journal und hab bisher keinerlei Probleme. Mit 
anderen Geschichten hab ich schon unbootbare Systeme erlebt.

Ist der Umgang (mount, dateirechte vergabe..) identisch?
Im Prinzip ja.
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Re: File Server

[Dirk Salva]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 10:59:23AM +0100, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote:
 Wie ich hier aus den infos entnehmen kann kommt XFS für mich wohl auch 
 in frage.
 Für Deine Root-Partition (= /) solltest Du ext2/ext3 verwenden. Ich 
 verwende dafür ext3 mit Journal und hab bisher keinerlei Probleme. Mit 
 anderen Geschichten hab ich schon unbootbare Systeme erlebt.

Warum? Ich habe im Zuge des neuen Rechners auf XFS gewechselt und das
bisher nicht bereut.

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Re: File Server

[Sasa Andjelkovic]

* Carsten Ace Dahlmann [Wed, 23.02.2005 04:35]:
 Hi!

Hi,

 On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:58:18 +0100
 Andre Gorschkow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Ich habe mir mal einige Berichte zu Reiser4 (dancing trees und solche 
  Späße) gelesen. Das Ganze befindet sich ja noch im Teststadium, aber 
  gibt es hier vielleicht jemaden, der es schon mal getestet hat und
  Paar  Eindrücke uns mitteilen könnte?

Naja ich dachte mir erst meine Infos würden nicht ausreichen
um hier zu antworten. Aber zu meinen Erfahrungen kann ich nur
sagen, es war sehr stabil. Ich habe Reiser4 hier auf meinem
Arbeitsrechner ca. 3 - 4 ohne jegliche Probleme eingesetz. Zu
der Performance kann ich nur sagen, erste Sahne. Ich habe des
öfteren meine Daten hin und her kopiert (auch als ich vorher
noch ext3 / reiserfs genutz habe) und die Menge der Daten
lagen in dieser Zeit immer im gleichen Bereich. ICh habe z.B.
verschiedenste Distris getestet (wobei ich letztendlich hier
bei Debian gelandet bin) und habe dabei immer wieder meine
Verzeichnisse gesichert und wegkopiert, ich weiss dass mein
Gentoo /usr Verzeichnis immer um die 3.5GB groß war, diese
Menge habe ich mit reiser4 in knapp unter einer Minute
kopiert. Vorher noch mit reiserfs habe ich wenigstens leicht
über 2 Minuten gebraucht. Ich habe Übertragungsraten von 45 -
80MB/s messen können. Auch tiobench habe ich dafür eingesetzt
um mir die Perfomrance anzuschauen, ich habe 2
Testpartiotionen gehabt (beide 5GB9 mit denen ich immer wieder
die gleichen Daten kopiert habe, nur mit unterschiedlichen
Dateisystemen. Keines der folgenden Dateisystemen waren von
der Performance so schnell :

ext3, reiserfs, reiser4 und xfs.

Kurz mal was zur Hardware, habe hier ein selbst
zusammengestelltes System, was schon (für Spieler) etwas älter
scheint :). AMD Athlon XP 2000+ MSI KT400 Board mit UDMA133
Schnittstellen Onboard, die Platten sind beide an einem
Strang, eine UDMA133 40GB Maxtor mit 2MB Cache und eine
UDMA133 120GB Maxtor mit 8MB Cache (diese Platte wurde aus
Platzmangel nachgerüstet).

Derzeit nutze ich Debian Sarge, noch nicht sehr lange, weil
ich eine gute Distri mit Binärpaketen gesucht habe. Bin bisher
noch nicht dazu gekommen, meinen 2.6.10er Kernel zu patchen um
hier auch reiser4 nutzen zu können. 

Vieleicht hilft es so zur Info für irgendwen oder ist mal
interessant.


In der gesamtem Zeit hatte ich (trotz öfters mal Reset Nutzung
besonders wegen des fglrx Grafiktreibers in der
Einrichtungsphase) keine Datenverluste.

 Mein Kumpel, der Sasa - schreibt auch ab und an hier in der Liste -
 hat seit einigen Monaten Reiser4 problemlos im Einsatz.
 
 Sag mal was dazu (eigentlich müsste mein Name in seinem Mutt jetzt
 leuchten, sodass er diesen Post hier liest ;))!

Und wie das leuchtet :). Wie ich gesehen habe hast du dich
auch mit dem für uns unlösbarem woody 2.6er ISDN Problem
hierher gewand. Vieleicht weiss ja jemand was.

 LG,
 Ace


LG 

Sasa



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Re: File Server

[Dirk Salva]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 04:35:36AM +0100, Carsten Ace Dahlmann wrote:
 Sag mal was dazu (eigentlich müsste mein Name in seinem Mutt jetzt
 leuchten, sodass er diesen Post hier liest ;))!

Wie geht das? Ich meine, wie schafft man es, daß in der
Mailinglisten-Übersicht (und nur dort) ein bestimmter Name (und nur
der, nicht die ganze Zeile) andersfarbig dargestellt wird?!?

ciao, Dirk
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Re: File Server

[Bernd Schwendele]

Dirk Salva schrieb:
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 04:35:36AM +0100, Carsten Ace Dahlmann wrote:
 

Sag mal was dazu (eigentlich müsste mein Name in seinem Mutt jetzt
leuchten, sodass er diesen Post hier liest ;))!
   

 

Aha, folgende Frage gehört also zum Thread:
Wie geht das? Ich meine, wie schafft man es, daß in der
Mailinglisten-Übersicht (und nur dort) ein bestimmter Name (und nur
der, nicht die ganze Zeile) andersfarbig dargestellt wird?!?
ciao, Dirk
 

*g*
Gruß
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Re: File Server

[Sasa Andjelkovic]

* Dirk Salva [Wed, 23.02.2005 16:45]:

[...]

 Wie geht das? Ich meine, wie schafft man es, daß in der
 Mailinglisten-Übersicht (und nur dort) ein bestimmter Name (und nur
 der, nicht die ganze Zeile) andersfarbig dargestellt wird?!?

Zwar hättest du einen neuen Thread aufmachen sollen aber mir
solls egal sein. Du nimmst ihn aber super genau bei jedem Wort
was er geschrieben hat was? Also nur den Namen, das kann ich
dir nicht sagen, da sind sicher besser Vollprofis für mutt da.
Was ich habe ist, dass ich seinen Namen in meine Mailansichten
(also wenn ich eine Mailbox betrete) eingefärbt habe. Weil
halt Kollege :). Aber sowas sollte dir Google super schnell
herbeirufen. Hier mal das was ich nutze (ist echt super
simpel):

color index  yellow default Carsten Ace Dahlmann

Also nichts sonderbares. Bei mir wird jede Mail von Ihm, egal
ob sie in seiner privaten Mailbox oder sonst wo in einem
Thread auftaucht, dementsprechend eingefärbt. Allerdings die
gesamte Zeile und nicht nur der Name. Falls du einen
Screenshot benötigst sag bescheid (PM).

 ciao, Dirk

Gruss

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Re: File Server

[Marcus Frings]

* Dirk Salva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 04:35:36AM +0100, Carsten Ace Dahlmann wrote:

 Sag mal was dazu (eigentlich müsste mein Name in seinem Mutt jetzt
 leuchten, sodass er diesen Post hier liest ;))!

 Wie geht das? Ich meine, wie schafft man es, daß in der
 Mailinglisten-Übersicht (und nur dort) ein bestimmter Name (und nur
 der, nicht die ganze Zeile) andersfarbig dargestellt wird?!?

Ich kann Dir sagen, wie es mit Gnus geht, aber das will ja keiner
hören. :-)

Gruß,
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Re: File Server

[Andreas Pakulat]

On 23.Feb 2005 - 17:10:34, Bernd Schwendele wrote:
 Dirk Salva schrieb:
 On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 04:35:36AM +0100, Carsten Ace Dahlmann wrote:
 Sag mal was dazu (eigentlich müsste mein Name in seinem Mutt jetzt
 leuchten, sodass er diesen Post hier liest ;))!
 
 Aha, folgende Frage gehört also zum Thread:
 
 Wie geht das? Ich meine, wie schafft man es, daß in der
 Mailinglisten-Übersicht (und nur dort) ein bestimmter Name (und nur
 der, nicht die ganze Zeile) andersfarbig dargestellt wird?!?
 
 *g*

Klaro wieso, steht doch auch an der richtigen Stelle...

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Re: File Server

[Bernd Schwendele]

Andreas Pakulat schrieb:
On 23.Feb 2005 - 17:10:34, Bernd Schwendele wrote:
 

Dirk Salva schrieb:
   

On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 04:35:36AM +0100, Carsten Ace Dahlmann wrote:
 

Sag mal was dazu (eigentlich müsste mein Name in seinem Mutt jetzt
leuchten, sodass er diesen Post hier liest ;))!
   

Aha, folgende Frage gehört also zum Thread:
   

Wie geht das? Ich meine, wie schafft man es, daß in der
Mailinglisten-Übersicht (und nur dort) ein bestimmter Name (und nur
der, nicht die ganze Zeile) andersfarbig dargestellt wird?!?
 

*g*
   

Klaro wieso, steht doch auch an der richtigen Stelle...
Andreas
 

Was hat Deine Mail-Client-Frage mit dem SUBJECT (FILESERVER) zu tun?!? 
Ich dachte eher inhaltlich ;-)
Gruß
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Re: File Server

[Andreas Pakulat]

On 23.Feb 2005 - 18:41:10, Bernd Schwendele wrote:
 Andreas Pakulat schrieb:
 On 23.Feb 2005 - 17:10:34, Bernd Schwendele wrote:
 Dirk Salva schrieb:

 Was hat Deine Mail-Client-Frage mit dem SUBJECT (FILESERVER) zu tun?!? 

Guck mal da, ich wars nicht. War Dirk und ja er hat nen Fehler
gemacht, nämlich das Subject nicht zu ändern.

 Ich dachte eher inhaltlich ;-)

Mein Fehler - ist schon zu spät heute - Sandmännchen ist schon vorbei
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Re: File Server

[Dirk Salva]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 06:19:06PM +0100, Sasa Andjelkovic wrote:
 halt Kollege :). Aber sowas sollte dir Google super schnell
 herbeirufen.

Kotz!

 Hier mal das was ich nutze (ist echt super
 simpel):
 color index  yellow default Carsten Ace Dahlmann
 Also nichts sonderbares. Bei mir wird jede Mail von Ihm, egal
 ob sie in seiner privaten Mailbox oder sonst wo in einem
 Thread auftaucht, dementsprechend eingefärbt. Allerdings die
 gesamte Zeile und nicht nur der Name. Falls du einen

Und genau das ist es, was ich nicht will. Ich konnte ja nicht wissen,
das ihr das so simpel gestrickt habt.

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Re: File Server

[Sasa Andjelkovic]

* Dirk Salva [Wed, 23.02.2005 20:41]:
 On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 06:19:06PM +0100, Sasa Andjelkovic wrote:
  halt Kollege :). Aber sowas sollte dir Google super schnell
  herbeirufen.
 
 Kotz!

Nett, darum score angepasst ;). Aber es ist so, google damit
gefüttert und man finden sehr schöne Beispiele.

  Hier mal das was ich nutze (ist echt super
  simpel):
  color index  yellow default Carsten Ace Dahlmann
  Also nichts sonderbares. Bei mir wird jede Mail von Ihm, egal
  ob sie in seiner privaten Mailbox oder sonst wo in einem
  Thread auftaucht, dementsprechend eingefärbt. Allerdings die
  gesamte Zeile und nicht nur der Name. Falls du einen
 
 Und genau das ist es, was ich nicht will. Ich konnte ja nicht wissen,
 das ihr das so simpel gestrickt habt.

Das ist nicht mein Problem, du wolltest wissen wie das
ausschaut und er hat nichts anderes gesagt als das sein Name
bei mir gehighlightet wird. Außerdem hat das nichts mit simpel
stricken zu tun, sonder in Threads werden bestimmte Absender
eingefärbt um direkt zu sehen wenn wer dabei ist den man
kennt. Ich weiss ja nicht was du dir vorstellst bzw willst.

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Re: File Server

[Dirk Salva]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 09:24:41PM +0100, Sasa Andjelkovic wrote:
 * Dirk Salva [Wed, 23.02.2005 20:41]:
  On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 06:19:06PM +0100, Sasa Andjelkovic wrote:
   halt Kollege :). Aber sowas sollte dir Google super schnell
   herbeirufen.
  Kotz!
 Nett, darum score angepasst ;). Aber es ist so, google damit
 gefüttert und man finden sehr schöne Beispiele.

Dein Problem. Aber ich hasse diese pauschale Google-Gesülze, ohne
Sinn und Verstand und ohne Angabe der Suchwörter. Dazu läuft hier
gerade auch eine Diskussion, in der dieser asoziale Sittenverfall
sehr gut erläutert wird. Also handhabe das mit Deinem scoring wie Du
willst, aber am besten im stillen Kämmerlein, das interessiert
nämlich niemanden im Rest der Welt.

 Das ist nicht mein Problem, du wolltest wissen wie das
 ausschaut und er hat nichts anderes gesagt als das sein Name

Blabla. EOD.

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Re: File Server

[Sasa Andjelkovic]

* Dirk Salva [Wed, 23.02.2005 22:24]:
[...]
  Nett, darum score angepasst ;). Aber es ist so, google damit
  gefüttert und man finden sehr schöne Beispiele.
 
 Dein Problem. Aber ich hasse diese pauschale Google-Gesülze, ohne
 Sinn und Verstand und ohne Angabe der Suchwörter. Dazu läuft hier
 gerade auch eine Diskussion, in der dieser asoziale Sittenverfall
 sehr gut erläutert wird.

Ist sicher nicht mein Problem und es interessiert mich einen
scheiss dreck was du hasst. Wenn du meinst du möchtest wissen
in wie weit man das einstellen kann und ich dir antworte wie
es ausschaut und möglich ist, und dir nett sage das man bei
google ne Menge Beispiele findet dürfte da nichts asoziales
dran sein. Ich habe dir wie gesagt lediglich geantwortet und
wenn du denkst du müsstest dann deine neckischen Kommentare
los lassen ist das deine Sache. Desweiteren habe ich dir ein
Beispiel gegeben wie es bei mir konfiguriert ist (was du
wissen wolltest), und nur erweitert auf Google verwiesen. Dazu
kommt nochwas, ich habe den Thread beobachtet, man kann
darüber denken wie man will, allerdings ist in diesem Fall
garantiert möglich über Google etwas zu finden, denn du weisst
was du willst und suchst und Suchwörter für deine Suche
beinhalten Suchbegriffe die ein 5 Klässer schreiben kann. Ich
glaube kaum das die Suche für dich so komplex ist das du dabei
Hilfe benötigst, obwohl vieleicht doch bei deinem Verhalten. 

 Also handhabe das mit Deinem scoring wie Du
 willst, aber am besten im stillen Kämmerlein, das interessiert
 nämlich niemanden im Rest der Welt.

Korrekt, so ist es. Genausowenig interessiert es ob du bei
einem Hinweis auf Google kotzt. 

  Das ist nicht mein Problem, du wolltest wissen wie das
  ausschaut und er hat nichts anderes gesagt als das sein Name
 
 Blabla. EOD.

Und wie man sieht scheinst du in deinen Kinderschuhen stecken
geblieben zu sein, provozieren kannste scheinbar gut,
allerdings ist von meiner Seite schluss, ich weiss blabla.
Für mich ist diese Disskussion erledigt und dein Name in allen
Threads gestorben, ich weiss blabla. Jetz geh sterben oder
sonst was.

 ciao, Dirk

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Re: File Server

[Florian (flobee)]

Toens Bueker wrote:
Juergen Sauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] meinte:
Könnt ihr mir vielleicht einen Tip für ein geeignettes Filesystem
geben? danke schon mal im vorraus.
ext3 ?

Nicht wirklich. Auf fetten Servern hat sich das XFS von SGI IMHO am
besten geschlagen. Besonders in Punkto Datensicherheit und Integrität.
XFS dürfte wohl das produktionsreifeste Journaled FS für Linux sein.
Besonders in Tateinheit mit LVM. Vergrößern von
Filesystemen im laufenden Betrieb ist schon echt cool.
Hallo
Interessanter Threat! Könnt ihr einem Anfänger sagen mit welchen tools 
ich arbeiten muss/kann um Beschädigungen fest zu stellen oder 
Datenrettung vor zu nehmen?
Ich bin unter Windows mit Festplatten craches relativ geprägt allerdings 
 habe ich tools womit ich immer noch im ernstfall Daten retten konnte. 
Unter ext2/3 oder dem XFS habe ich nicht die leiseste ahnung welche 
tools für check/defragmentierung/recovery zur verfügung stehen was ich 
auch immer noch beunruhigend finde.
Wie ich hier aus den infos entnehmen kann kommt XFS für mich wohl auch 
in frage.
Ist der Umgang (mount, dateirechte vergabe..) identisch?
Hab ihr vielleicht eine webseite wo beschreibungen zu finden sind (vor, 
nachteil etc)

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Re: File Server

[Bernd Schwendele]

Florian (flobee) schrieb:
[...]
Hallo
Interessanter Threat! Könnt ihr einem Anfänger sagen mit welchen tools 
ich arbeiten muss/kann um Beschädigungen fest zu stellen oder 
Datenrettung vor zu nehmen?
Ich bin unter Windows mit Festplatten craches relativ geprägt 
allerdings  habe ich tools womit ich immer noch im ernstfall Daten 
retten konnte. Unter ext2/3 oder dem XFS habe ich nicht die leiseste 
ahnung welche tools für check/defragmentierung/recovery zur
Check: Bei mir automatisch alle 30 Mounts / 180 Tage
Defragemntierung: Was ist das? ;-)
Recovery: Du willst man dd oder partimage lesen.
verfügung stehen was ich auch immer noch beunruhigend finde.
Wie ich hier aus den infos entnehmen kann kommt XFS für mich wohl auch 
in frage.
Ist der Umgang (mount, dateirechte vergabe..) identisch?
Identisch mit was? Mit ext2/3 oder Reiserfs?
Hab ihr vielleicht eine webseite wo beschreibungen zu finden sind 
(vor, nachteil etc)
Ich glaube fast, dass das Glaubenssache ist. Manche finden Reiserfs 
schlecht, nun unter SuSE 8.2 läufts schon seit 2 Jahren stable und es 
gab nie Probleme damit.
Gruß
 Bernd

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Re: File Server

[Andreas Vögele]

Am 21.02.2005 um 14:49 schrieb Saskia:
Hallo Liste,
ich Frage mich die ganze Zeit welches Filesystem für einen File Server 
das
sinvollste wäre. Auf dem File Server sollen später  kleine 
Worddokumente
(ca. 50kb) aber auch sehr große CAD Dateien (3-4 GB)liegen.
Wie viele Benutzer werden denn auf den Server zugreifen? ReiserFS  Co. 
benötigen mehr Rechenleistung als ext3, was bei einem stark belasteten 
Server durchaus bemerkbar sein kann. Zum Beispiel wenn die ganze Firma 
MP3s auf dem Server ablegt :-)

Re: File Server

[Andre Gorschkow]

Joerg Stadler schrieb:
On Monday 21 February 2005 15:58, Andre Gorschkow wrote:
Michelle Konzack schrieb:
Am 2005-02-21 15:39:37, schrieb Andre Gorschkow:

Da kann ich mich nur anschließen, ich selber nutze auch XFS auf dem 
Fileserver und bin bis jetzt absolut damit zufrieden, was ich über 
ReiserFS nicht sagen konnte.

Also ich bin weder von ReiserFS noch von XFS begeistert.

XFS unterstützt auch meines Wissens nach die meisten Features als Reiser 
oder Ext2/3, wie ACLS usw.

Ich verwende Ext2/3 und wegen ACL's werde ich nicht auf XFS umsteigen,
denn die gibt es auch eit einigen kernel versionen für ext2/3.
Ja, ist logisch, wenn man eine Sache im Griff bekommen hat, muss man 
auch nicht gleich umsteigen. Es hat auch eine Weile gedauert, bis ich 
vom ReiserFS weg gekommen war.

Warum soll man denn von Reiser absehen. Ist doch auch ein zuverlässiges FS!
Ja, eigentlich kann ich dir zustimmen. Allerdings fühle ich mich 
irgendwie unwohl, wenn ich etliche GBytes dem Reiserfs überlasse. Für 
mich zählt nur eine Sache, seit dem ich XFS einsetze, musste ich noch 
nie irgendwas reparieren usw. (werd schon bald wohl die syntax für fsck 
vergessen :))
Ich weiss, das ist immer auch ein Subjektiver Faktor, aber was solls, 
jeder hat seine Preferenzen :)

Andre

Ich habe mir mal einige Berichte zu Reiser4 (dancing trees und solche 
Späße) gelesen. Das Ganze befindet sich ja noch im Teststadium, aber 
gibt es hier vielleicht jemaden, der es schon mal getestet hat und Paar 
Eindrücke uns mitteilen könnte?

Im Vergleich zu Reiser bleibt Performance mäßig XFS meiner Ansicht nach 
besser. Ob ext2 wirklich schneller ist, weiss ich auch nicht.

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Re: File Server

[Rainer Bendig aka Ny]

Moin Moin Andre Gorschkow, *,

Andre Gorschkow wrote on Feb 22, 2005 at 04:34PM +0100:
 Ja, eigentlich kann ich dir zustimmen. Allerdings fühle ich mich 
 irgendwie unwohl, wenn ich etliche GBytes dem Reiserfs überlasse. Für 
 mich zählt nur eine Sache, seit dem ich XFS einsetze, musste ich noch 
 nie irgendwas reparieren usw. (werd schon bald wohl die syntax für fsck 
 vergessen :))
 Ich weiss, das ist immer auch ein Subjektiver Faktor, aber was solls, 
 jeder hat seine Preferenzen :)
Ist auch mit der Grund warum die Clients @ work bei uns alle xfs
haben.

Oh eine Fehlermeldung die man nicht wegklicken kann? Macht nichts,
schalt den Rechner einfach aus und wieder ein +argh+ Und man kann das
den Usern zig mal sagen, tu das nicht, aber man bekommts nicht mehr
weg *g* (AUsschalten ist hier direktes Ausschalten am Netzteil, weil 5
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Re: File Server

[Jan Kesten]

Ingo Juergensmann wrote:

 Das geht aber auch nur in eine Richtung. Andererseits: bisher hab ich
 noch nie eine Partition verkleinern muessen, eigentlich immer nur
 vergroessern. ;)

Dem kann ich mich voll anschlieen - besonders das klappt bei XFS
wirklich im laufendem Betrieb und in Verbindung mit LVM ganz wunderbar...

 *meine* Erfahrung). XFS hielt seine Filesysteme und seine Daten auch
 dann noch benutzbar, als mein G3 ueber Monate hinweg wegen
 Kernel-Problemen mehrmals am Tag die Panik bekommen hatte.

Ack - auch bei mir verhielt und verhlt sich XFS uerst stabil auch bei
Crashes, habe auch mal ReiserFS gehabt, meistens(!) keine Probleme, aber
wenn dann machte es dem Namen ReisswolfFS alle Ehre.

 fliegt mir regelmaessig um die Ohren. Ich hab mich insofern mit ext3 
 arrangiert, dass ich es nicht mag und ext3 mich nicht mag. Insofern
 meiden wir uns im gegenseitigen Einvernehmen, wenn immer moeglich...

Das klingt doch fair :-) ext3 wird es zu schtzen wissen - ich
persnlich habe allerdings meine Boot- und Root- Partition immer noch
unter ext3 am laufen, dann kann man es auch immer mit fast jeder alten
Rescue CD booten, das luft bei mir wunderbar.

 Achja: mein Tipp fuer den Server ist deshalb natuerlich auch XFS.

Was ich noch zu schtzen gerlernt habe ist xfs_fsr aus dem Paket
xfsdump. Das ist quasi ein Defragmentierungstool fr XFS, welches online
die Baumstruktur von XFS pflegen bzw. verbessern kann. Macht besonders
dann Sinn, wenn viele kleine Dateien tglich geschrieben und gelscht
werden - luft als cronjob am Tag und darf Nachts zwei Stunden sich am
Dateisystem auslassen - bringt bei der Performance teilweise sogar
merkbare Geschwindigkeitsvorteile :-) Als Tipp am Rande - nur mit
solchen Tools muss man natrlich immer vorsichtig sein...

Aber die Wahl des FS ist auch in meinen Augen fast schon etwas wie eine
Sympathiefrage, kenne viele die mit ext2 zufrieden waren, viele auch die
mit ext3 oder reiser zufrieden sind und auch welche sie sich von mir mit
XFS haben anstecken lassen (welches wie schon gesagt in der Unixwelt auf
IRIX schon sehr lange stabil funktioniert). Gibt im Netz aber auch
verschiedene Benchmarks und Vergleiche, google hilft :-)

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Re: File Server

[Jan Kesten]

Bernd Schwendele wrote:

 Defragemntierung: Was ist das? ;-)

Performance-Kitzel fr XFS - im Ernst, XFS liefert wirklich ein
Defragmentierungstool mit, bei Debian im Pakte xfsdump zu finden :-)

Cheers,
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Re: File Server

[Ingo Juergensmann]

On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 07:55:30PM +0100, Jan Kesten wrote:

  *meine* Erfahrung). XFS hielt seine Filesysteme und seine Daten auch
  dann noch benutzbar, als mein G3 ueber Monate hinweg wegen
  Kernel-Problemen mehrmals am Tag die Panik bekommen hatte.
 Ack - auch bei mir verhielt und verh??lt sich XFS ??u??erst stabil auch bei
 Crashes, habe auch mal ReiserFS gehabt, meistens(!) keine Probleme, aber
 wenn dann machte es dem Namen ReisswolfFS alle Ehre.

Naja, als ich den zweiten PPC (G4) bekommen hatte, hab ich mal die CPU
Module getauscht und im neuen Rechner mit ext3 als FS bewirkte der G3 dann
prompt einen Crash inkl. dem Vergnuegen, das FS dann zwei Tage lang wieder
soweit hinzubekommen, dass da XFS drauf konnte (backup/restore, foo  bar).
Der G3 crashte dann auch noch haeufiger im neuen Rechner, aber XFS nahm das
immer recht locker - im Gegensatz zu ext3. 1 Crash, fsck schlaegt fehl und
man hat viiieeel Spass... :-/
(Note: G3 war ein 750cxe mit fehlerhaftem dcbz opcode, also ein recht
spezifisches Problem, kein allgemeines PPC Problem. Der G4 laeuft ohne
Probleme.)

 Aber die Wahl des FS ist auch in meinen Augen fast schon etwas wie eine
 Sympathiefrage, kenne viele die mit ext2 zufrieden waren, viele auch die
 mit ext3 oder reiser zufrieden sind und auch welche sie sich von mir mit
 XFS haben anstecken lassen (welches wie schon gesagt in der Unixwelt auf
 IRIX schon sehr lange stabil funktioniert). Gibt im Netz aber auch
 verschiedene Benchmarks und Vergleiche, google hilft :-)

Mir brauchste nix von IRIX vorzuschwaermen... ich hab auf IRIX gelernt,
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Re: File Server

[Carsten Ace Dahlmann]

Hi!

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:58:18 +0100
Andre Gorschkow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ich habe mir mal einige Berichte zu Reiser4 (dancing trees und solche 
 Späße) gelesen. Das Ganze befindet sich ja noch im Teststadium, aber 
 gibt es hier vielleicht jemaden, der es schon mal getestet hat und
 Paar  Eindrücke uns mitteilen könnte?

Mein Kumpel, der Sasa - schreibt auch ab und an hier in der Liste -
hat seit einigen Monaten Reiser4 problemlos im Einsatz.

Sag mal was dazu (eigentlich müsste mein Name in seinem Mutt jetzt
leuchten, sodass er diesen Post hier liest ;))!

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Re: File Server

[J-T Krug]

Hallo,
Saskia schrieb:
Hallo Liste,
(ca. 50kb) aber auch sehr große CAD Dateien (3-4 GB)liegen. Zum Einsatz
 

ist das ernst gemeint mit den 3-4 GB großen CAD-Dateien?
Gruß Jörg
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Re: File Server

[Florian Frank]

Am Montag, den 21.02.2005, 14:49 +0100 schrieb Saskia:
 Hallo Liste,
Hallo,

 ich Frage mich die ganze Zeit welches Filesystem für einen File Server das
 sinvollste wäre. Auf dem File Server sollen später  kleine Worddokumente
 (ca. 50kb) aber auch sehr große CAD Dateien (3-4 GB)liegen. Zum Einsatz
 kommt natürlich Samba auf einem Debian System. Könnt ihr mir vielleicht
 einen Tip für ein geeignettes Filesystem geben? danke schon mal im vorraus.
Ich kann hier am ehesten XFS empfehlen. Ich setze es auf Fileservern mit
bis zu 6TB Kapaität ein. Selbst zu Zeiten, als XFS noch noch im
offiziellen 2.4er war, habe ich schon Kernel aus dem CVS bei sgi
benutzt.

Probleme bisher keine, und im Vergleich zu ext3, läuft ein nächtlicher
rsync auf die Fallback-Maschine in der halben Zeit.

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Re: File Server

[Weinzierl Stefan]

Saskia schrieb:
Hallo Liste,
ich Frage mich die ganze Zeit welches Filesystem für einen File Server das
sinvollste wäre. Auf dem File Server sollen später  kleine Worddokumente
(ca. 50kb) aber auch sehr große CAD Dateien (3-4 GB)liegen. Zum Einsatz
kommt natürlich Samba auf einem Debian System. Könnt ihr mir vielleicht
einen Tip für ein geeignettes Filesystem geben? danke schon mal im vorraus.
ext3 ?
Stefan
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Re: File Server

[Juergen Sauer]

Am Montag, 21. Februar 2005 15:34 schrieb Weinzierl Stefan:

  Könnt ihr mir vielleicht einen Tip für ein geeignettes Filesystem
  geben? danke schon mal im vorraus.
 ext3 ?


Nicht wirklich. Auf fetten Servern hat sich das XFS von SGI IMHO am
besten geschlagen. Besonders in Punkto Datensicherheit und Integrität.
XFS dürfte wohl das produktionsreifeste Journaled FS für Linux sein. Ist 
binärkompatibel mit den Irix versionen von SGI, unter Irix seit 1991/92 
im produktiv Betrieb...

Das sich ein XFS mal nicht mounten lies habe ich noch nicht erlebt, an 
unsicherer Hardware aber schon einiges.

mfG
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Re: File Server

[Andre Gorschkow]

Florian Frank schrieb:
Am Montag, den 21.02.2005, 14:49 +0100 schrieb Saskia:
Hallo Liste,
Hallo,

ich Frage mich die ganze Zeit welches Filesystem für einen File Server das
sinvollste wäre. Auf dem File Server sollen später  kleine Worddokumente
(ca. 50kb) aber auch sehr große CAD Dateien (3-4 GB)liegen. Zum Einsatz
kommt natürlich Samba auf einem Debian System. Könnt ihr mir vielleicht
einen Tip für ein geeignettes Filesystem geben? danke schon mal im vorraus.
Ich kann hier am ehesten XFS empfehlen. Ich setze es auf Fileservern mit
bis zu 6TB Kapaität ein. Selbst zu Zeiten, als XFS noch noch im
offiziellen 2.4er war, habe ich schon Kernel aus dem CVS bei sgi
benutzt.
Probleme bisher keine, und im Vergleich zu ext3, läuft ein nächtlicher
rsync auf die Fallback-Maschine in der halben Zeit.
Da kann ich mich nur anschließen, ich selber nutze auch XFS auf dem 
Fileserver und bin bis jetzt absolut damit zufrieden, was ich über 
ReiserFS nicht sagen konnte.
XFS unterstützt auch meines Wissens nach die meisten Features als Reiser 
oder Ext2/3, wie ACLS usw.

Ich weiss nur, ob JFS eine ernsthafte Alternative zu XFS währe, da ich 
den Umfang der Features von JFS nicht genau kenne.

Andre
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Re: File Server

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-02-21 15:39:37, schrieb Andre Gorschkow:

 Da kann ich mich nur anschließen, ich selber nutze auch XFS auf dem 
 Fileserver und bin bis jetzt absolut damit zufrieden, was ich über 
 ReiserFS nicht sagen konnte.

Also ich bin weder von ReiserFS noch von XFS begeistert.

 XFS unterstützt auch meines Wissens nach die meisten Features als Reiser 
 oder Ext2/3, wie ACLS usw.

Ich verwende Ext2/3 und wegen ACL's werde ich nicht auf XFS umsteigen,
denn die gibt es auch eit einigen kernel versionen für ext2/3.

 Andre


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Re: File Server

[Andre Gorschkow]

Michelle Konzack schrieb:
Am 2005-02-21 15:39:37, schrieb Andre Gorschkow:

Da kann ich mich nur anschließen, ich selber nutze auch XFS auf dem 
Fileserver und bin bis jetzt absolut damit zufrieden, was ich über 
ReiserFS nicht sagen konnte.

Also ich bin weder von ReiserFS noch von XFS begeistert.

XFS unterstützt auch meines Wissens nach die meisten Features als Reiser 
oder Ext2/3, wie ACLS usw.

Ich verwende Ext2/3 und wegen ACL's werde ich nicht auf XFS umsteigen,
denn die gibt es auch eit einigen kernel versionen für ext2/3.
Ja, ist logisch, wenn man eine Sache im Griff bekommen hat, muss man 
auch nicht gleich umsteigen. Es hat auch eine Weile gedauert, bis ich 
vom ReiserFS weg gekommen war.

Ich habe mir mal einige Berichte zu Reiser4 (dancing trees und solche 
Späße) gelesen. Das Ganze befindet sich ja noch im Teststadium, aber 
gibt es hier vielleicht jemaden, der es schon mal getestet hat und Paar 
Eindrücke uns mitteilen könnte?

Im Vergleich zu Reiser bleibt Performance mäßig XFS meiner Ansicht nach 
besser. Ob ext2 wirklich schneller ist, weiss ich auch nicht.

Andre
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Re: File Server

[Heiko Schlittermann]

Juergen Sauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mo 21 Feb 2005 16:18:24 GMT):
 
 Nicht wirklich. Auf fetten Servern hat sich das XFS von SGI IMHO am
 besten geschlagen. Besonders in Punkto Datensicherheit und Integrität.
 XFS dürfte wohl das produktionsreifeste Journaled FS für Linux sein. Ist 
 binärkompatibel mit den Irix versionen von SGI, unter Irix seit 1991/92 
 im produktiv Betrieb...

Ich hatte mal (2.6) ein Rootfilesystem, mit XFS auf LVM, das hat
reproduzierbar nicht gut funktioniert:  Jede Datei, die ich kurz vor
dem Abschalten (ja, ich weiß, Abschalten ist böse) offen hatte, war
nach dem Neustart *leer*.  Ich weiß, dass Journaling nur die
Datenintegrität sicherstellen soll, und dass es gegen böses Ausschalten
auch nichts tun kann.  Aber ich hätte erwartet, dass wenigstens der
alte Inhalt der Datei noch vorhanden gewesen wäre -- aber leer???

Damit habe ich auf XFS verzichtet (es wäre schön gewesen, wegen der
Möglichkeit, es online zu resizen...)

Best regards from Dresden
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Re: File Server

[Toens Bueker]

Juergen Sauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] meinte:

 Könnt ihr mir vielleicht einen Tip für ein geeignettes Filesystem
 geben? danke schon mal im vorraus.
ext3 ?
 
 
 Nicht wirklich. Auf fetten Servern hat sich das XFS von SGI IMHO am
 besten geschlagen. Besonders in Punkto Datensicherheit und Integrität.
 XFS dürfte wohl das produktionsreifeste Journaled FS für Linux sein.

Besonders in Tateinheit mit LVM. Vergrößern von
Filesystemen im laufenden Betrieb ist schon echt cool.

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Re: File Server

[Ingo Juergensmann]

Heiko Schlittermann said:

 Ich hatte mal (2.6) ein Rootfilesystem, mit XFS auf LVM, das hat
 reproduzierbar nicht gut funktioniert:  Jede Datei, die ich kurz vor
 dem Abschalten (ja, ich weiß, Abschalten ist böse) offen hatte, war
 nach dem Neustart *leer*.  Ich weiß, dass Journaling nur die
 Datenintegrität sicherstellen soll, und dass es gegen böses Ausschalten
 auch nichts tun kann.  Aber ich hätte erwartet, dass wenigstens der
 alte Inhalt der Datei noch vorhanden gewesen wäre -- aber leer???

Komplett leer oder mit binaeren Nullen?

 Damit habe ich auf XFS verzichtet (es wäre schön gewesen, wegen der
 Möglichkeit, es online zu resizen...)

Das geht aber auch nur in eine Richtung. Andererseits: bisher hab ich noch nie
eine Partition verkleinern muessen, eigentlich immer nur vergroessern. ;)

Auch wenn man bei XFS Pech mit der benutzten Version haben kann (binary null
files z.B.), so hab ich inzwischen mit ext2/3 *deutlich* mehr Daten verloren
als mit XFS. Im Gegensatz zu XFS schrottet fsck.ext2/3 dann spaeter gerne mal
die Daten (zumindest bei mir, so *meine* Erfahrung). XFS hielt seine
Filesysteme und seine Daten auch dann noch benutzbar, als mein G3 ueber Monate
hinweg wegen Kernel-Problemen mehrmals am Tag die Panik bekommen hatte.

Meiner Meinung nach ist die Qualitaet eines FS auch und vor allem daran zu
messen, wie es sich bei Problemen auf dem FS verhaelt. *Jedes* FS wird frueher
oder spaeter Probleme bereitet. Wie das FS darauf dann reagiert, ist jedoch
sehr unterschiedlich. *Ich* habe jedoch mit XFS die besten Erfahrungen gemacht
und sogar das Filesystem einer Platte mit defekten Sektoren retten koennen.
Ext3 fliegt mir regelmaessig um die Ohren. Ich hab mich insofern mit ext3
arrangiert, dass ich es nicht mag und ext3 mich nicht mag. Insofern meiden wir
uns im gegenseitigen Einvernehmen, wenn immer moeglich... :-)

YMMV

Achja:
mein Tipp fuer den Server ist deshalb natuerlich auch XFS. Zudem weiss ich nun
grad nicht, ob der Plan schon umgesetzt wurde, aber es hiess mal, dass die
Konvertierung von Gross/Kleinschreibung bei Samba vom (X)FS uebernommen werden
koennte, was wohl der Performance zugute kommen duerfte.

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Re: File Server

[Küchler, Peter]

Am Montag, den 21.02.2005, 14:49 +0100 schrieb Saskia:
 Hallo Liste,
 
 ich Frage mich die ganze Zeit welches Filesystem für einen File Server das
 sinvollste wäre. Auf dem File Server sollen später  kleine Worddokumente
 (ca. 50kb) aber auch sehr große CAD Dateien (3-4 GB)liegen. Zum Einsatz
 kommt natürlich Samba auf einem Debian System. Könnt ihr mir vielleicht
 einen Tip für ein geeignettes Filesystem geben? danke schon mal im vorraus.

Ich setze auf Fileservern auf den Datenpartitionen XFS ein, fürs
Btriebssystem immer noch ext3. Mit dieser Kombi bin ich sehr zufrieden.


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Re: File Server

[Joerg Stadler]

On Monday 21 February 2005 15:58, Andre Gorschkow wrote:
 Michelle Konzack schrieb:
  Am 2005-02-21 15:39:37, schrieb Andre Gorschkow:
  
  
 Da kann ich mich nur anschließen, ich selber nutze auch XFS auf dem 
 Fileserver und bin bis jetzt absolut damit zufrieden, was ich über 
 ReiserFS nicht sagen konnte.
  
  
  Also ich bin weder von ReiserFS noch von XFS begeistert.
  
  
 XFS unterstützt auch meines Wissens nach die meisten Features als Reiser 
 oder Ext2/3, wie ACLS usw.
  
  
  Ich verwende Ext2/3 und wegen ACL's werde ich nicht auf XFS umsteigen,
  denn die gibt es auch eit einigen kernel versionen für ext2/3.
  
 
 Ja, ist logisch, wenn man eine Sache im Griff bekommen hat, muss man 
 auch nicht gleich umsteigen. Es hat auch eine Weile gedauert, bis ich 
 vom ReiserFS weg gekommen war.

Warum soll man denn von Reiser absehen. Ist doch auch ein zuverlässiges FS!

Gruss

Joerg
 
 Ich habe mir mal einige Berichte zu Reiser4 (dancing trees und solche 
 Späße) gelesen. Das Ganze befindet sich ja noch im Teststadium, aber 
 gibt es hier vielleicht jemaden, der es schon mal getestet hat und Paar 
 Eindrücke uns mitteilen könnte?
 
 Im Vergleich zu Reiser bleibt Performance mäßig XFS meiner Ansicht nach 
 besser. Ob ext2 wirklich schneller ist, weiss ich auch nicht.
 
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Re: file server recommendations?

[Shri Shrikumar]

On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 22:09, Jack Pistachio wrote:
 I'd suggest ssh, sftp, and scp, which all come in the
 debian ssh package.  To use these with windows, I'd suggest
 putty sftp client for windows.  This seems th easiest way
 to do it.  This, of course, requires that your friends are
 users on your system.


www.ssh.com have some very nice and easy to use windows clients as well
both for ssh and scp.

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Re: file server recommendations?

[Kevin Coyner]

On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 05:12:09PM +, Shri Shrikumar wrote..

 On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 22:09, Jack Pistachio wrote:
  I'd suggest ssh, sftp, and scp, which all come in the
  debian ssh package.  To use these with windows, I'd suggest
  putty sftp client for windows.  This seems th easiest way
  to do it.  This, of course, requires that your friends are
  users on your system.
 
 
 www.ssh.com have some very nice and easy to use windows clients as well
 both for ssh and scp.

What's a good, and hopefully open source  free, program that can act as
a SSH server on a Windows box?  I do most of my work in Linux/Debian,
but there's one offsite webserver I have to take care of that's Win2K.
Presently I ftp files up to it, but I'd rather be doing something a
little more secure.  Is there a way of getting an SSH server running on
it that my Debian SSH client can connect to?

Thanks
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Re: file server recommendations?

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Try the free cygwin download:
http://www..cygwin.com/
Kevin Coyner wrote:
On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 05:12:09PM +, Shri Shrikumar wrote..


On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 22:09, Jack Pistachio wrote:

I'd suggest ssh, sftp, and scp, which all come in the
debian ssh package.  To use these with windows, I'd suggest
putty sftp client for windows.  This seems th easiest way
to do it.  This, of course, requires that your friends are
users on your system.


www.ssh.com have some very nice and easy to use windows clients as well
both for ssh and scp.


What's a good, and hopefully open source  free, program that can act as
a SSH server on a Windows box?  I do most of my work in Linux/Debian,
but there's one offsite webserver I have to take care of that's Win2K.
Presently I ftp files up to it, but I'd rather be doing something a
little more secure.  Is there a way of getting an SSH server running on
it that my Debian SSH client can connect to?
Thanks
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Re: file server recommendations?

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On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 02:59:35PM -0500, Kevin Coyner wrote:
 What's a good, and hopefully open source  free, program that can act as
 a SSH server on a Windows box?  I do most of my work in Linux/Debian,
 but there's one offsite webserver I have to take care of that's Win2K.
 Presently I ftp files up to it, but I'd rather be doing something a
 little more secure.  Is there a way of getting an SSH server running on
 it that my Debian SSH client can connect to?

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Re: file server recommendations?

[Jack Pistachio]

I'd suggest ssh, sftp, and scp, which all come in the
debian ssh package.  To use these with windows, I'd suggest
putty sftp client for windows.  This seems th easiest way
to do it.  This, of course, requires that your friends are
users on your system.
-jackp


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   I'm interested in making a few files available to
 friends of
 mine, and in having an upload directory for them to give
 me stuff, too.
 I'm wondering what's the best tool for this job.
 
 * I'll only be talking about a very few users. (like 10
 to 20 total)
 * I don't have any particular interest in allowing
 anonymous access.
 * I'd like something that's reasonably secure (especially
 against
 sniffing and such external attacks; the users are
 reasonably trusted).
 * It would be nice not to have to create a local user for
 each remote
 user... 
 * Ease of setup would be a major bonus.
 
 The first thing that comes to mind is FTP, but I'm not
 sure it's the
 right tool for the job. I've heard a lot of horror
 stories about its
 (in)security...
 
 I do remember using some sort of ssh file transfer
 client somewhere...
 sometime... back in my Windoze days...  This has a
 promising ring to it.
 Any ideas on whether that's what I'm looking for, and if
 so, is
 there a server for this in woody?
 
 I'm prepared to do my reading first, naturally.  But I
 could use some
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Re: file server recommendations?

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* ScruLoose [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20030314 23:09 PST]:
 Hi all,
 
   I'm interested in making a few files available to friends of
 mine, and in having an upload directory for them to give me stuff, too.
 I'm wondering what's the best tool for this job.
 
 * I'll only be talking about a very few users. (like 10 to 20 total)
 * I don't have any particular interest in allowing anonymous access.
 * I'd like something that's reasonably secure (especially against
 sniffing and such external attacks; the users are reasonably trusted).
 * It would be nice not to have to create a local user for each remote
 user... 
 * Ease of setup would be a major bonus.
 
 The first thing that comes to mind is FTP, but I'm not sure it's the
 right tool for the job. I've heard a lot of horror stories about its
 (in)security...

Go with DAV.  Use CRAM-MD5 if you want to secure only passwords, or
https if you want all file transfers secure.  Your users can each have
their own login credentials, and can each have their own directories as
well as access to shared directories.

MacOS and Windows can mount DAV space as web folders or similar, so
they can use familiar methods (drag 'n drop) for transfering.

 I do remember using some sort of ssh file transfer client somewhere...
 sometime... back in my Windoze days...  This has a promising ring to it.
 Any ideas on whether that's what I'm looking for, and if so, is
 there a server for this in woody?

There's a rather good SCP client for windows called WINSCP2.  I'd still
say your best bet is DAV, though.

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Re: file server recommendations?

[nate]

ScruLoose said:
 Hi all,

   I'm interested in making a few files available to friends of
 mine, and in having an upload directory for them to give me stuff, too.
 I'm wondering what's the best tool for this job.

 The first thing that comes to mind is FTP, but I'm not sure it's the right
 tool for the job. I've heard a lot of horror stories about its
 (in)security...

depends on your needs. if the files your transferring are not
private data then ftp may be ok. You can setup users so they are
locked into their home dirs(my preference of ftpd is generally ncftpd
which is a commercial app, free for up to 5 concurrent users I think,
non-commercial use only though). proftpd works well too, it has a lot
of acls, though it's a bit more complicated to setup(ncftp you can
lock users to their home dir just by adding them to a group, real easy!)
another benefit to ncftpd, is at least I have never heard of any
vulnerabilities for it in as long as I can remember. not so with
proftpd, wu.ftpd, even the openbsd ftpd port to linux was vulnerable
to a nasty DOS a while back(unfortunately it took debian something
like 8 months to fix it)

At my last company, to help the support staff I setup a proftpd server
for anonymous access. It was real cool how it was setup I think. There
was 2 directories, incoming and outgoing. everything was transferred
using anonymous logins from the customers. incoming was writable by
anyone, but reading was not allowed, listing files not allowed etc.
Any attempts to list files reported 0 files. outgoing was readable by
everyone, but no writing, and no file listing. So unless you knew the
EXACT filename(and path if needed) you couldn't download anything.
It prooved to be quite workable. Never had a problem. Sure sometimes
a warez kiddie script may find the server and try to upload something,
but it quickly fails when it figures out it cannot retrieve the file(s)
it uploaded. Oh and no directory listings are permitted ANYWHERE. So
when you login and do a 'ls' nothing comes back(even in the root
directory). company employees can download the files via SSH w/RSA
authentication(scp), or using a ftp account(special uid/password which has
full access to the anonymous tree). They emailed links directly to the
site so the end users could just click on the link or download it directly.

I also setup another server(for remote access) using openssh and
the chroot patch(chrootssh.sourceforge.net). As the name implies
it locks users to their home directories as well. Been more then
8 months since I played with the system so I forget if theres
anything special to do to the accounts to configure them in such
a way. Before I found this project I used the commercial SSH
server which had options to chroot users to their home dirs as
well.

yet another way would be one of them web-based file managers though
thats kinda complicated.

winscp and/or putty (winscp is based on putty code last I checked)
are decent win32 ssh/scp clients. There's also cygwin which includes
a full copy of openssh(server and all).

for me, if I want to post a file for someone to download I throw
it on my webserver, if I want someone to upload a file(which is
so rare I can't remember the last time I asked someone to do
such a thing), I add them an account on one of my spare servers(of course
only trusted individuals get such accounts). I never transfer
private/personal data over an unencrypted connection.

not sure what your needs are though.

nate




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