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Rafaella Braconi wrote:

Kevin Scannell ha scritto:


Hi Rafaella,


   The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were
omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
   Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing and
3.2 release?
  
thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If the 
RC2 build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


do you know if the criteria are full-filled (see 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria;)?


Best regards

Marcus


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Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available somewhere? Where?

Thanks,
m.

2010/1/13 Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com

 Hi Kevin,

 Kevin Scannell ha scritto:

  Dear Rafaella,
   The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were
 omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
 http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
   Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing and
 3.2 release?


 thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If the RC2
 build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


 Thanks,
 Rafaella

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2010-01-13 Thread Sophie


Hi Martin
Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available somewhere? Where?


They are currently propagated on the mirror network. So they should be 
available soon now, may be by tomorrow.


Kind regards
Sophie


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Hi Sophie,

thanks, great! Will start with checking of Slovenian builds as soon as
possible, and also link to those builds in QATrack.

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Sophie sgautier@free.fr

 Hi Martin

 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

 Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available somewhere?
 Where?


 They are currently propagated on the mirror network. So they should be
 available soon now, may be by tomorrow.

 Kind regards
 Sophie



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Hi Martin,

FYI

The upload of builds (Dev build, Beta, RC etc.) will be announced on the 
relea...@ooo mailing list. When the download is possible it's announced 
on d...@qa.


Best regards

Marcus



Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available somewhere? Where?

Thanks,
m.

2010/1/13 Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com


Hi Kevin,

Kevin Scannell ha scritto:

 Dear Rafaella,

  The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were
omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
  Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing and
3.2 release?



thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If the RC2
build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


Thanks,
Rafaella



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Thanks.

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

 Hi Martin,

 FYI

 The upload of builds (Dev build, Beta, RC etc.) will be announced on the
 relea...@ooo mailing list. When the download is possible it's announced on
 d...@qa.

 Best regards

 Marcus




 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

 Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available somewhere?
 Where?

 Thanks,
 m.

 2010/1/13 Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com

  Hi Kevin,

 Kevin Scannell ha scritto:

  Dear Rafaella,

  The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were
 omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
 http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
  Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing and
 3.2 release?


  thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If the
 RC2
 build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


 Thanks,
 Rafaella



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Re: [l10n-dev] Please prepare for 3.2RC2 l10n binaries sanity check next week

Thanks, Joost!

I am just wondering now looking at QATrack roles of the Slovenian team
members, do we have someone among us with the proper role to confirm these
builds if and when tests are successfully completed (in the Users tab I do
not see any description or code of our thee users role; I guess at least one
of us must be QAL, that would be bobe, and other two are QA)? Can both roles
approve a build?
This is not clear to me from the wiki page about QATrack, that help page
describes menus and how a build is added into the system, but reporting
about test results and confirming builds is not documented. I just want it
all to go smooth with the RC2.

Lp, m.

2010/1/11 Joost Andrae joost.and...@sun.com

 Hi Martin,


  please add language Slovenian to my name (filmsi) in QATrack, please. We
 will do sanity checks etc. for RC2 i.e. 3.2.


 done



 I guess my other two colleagues from the Slovenian l10n team (bobe and
 smolejv) already have proper rights and Slovenian language linked to their
 roles?


 smolejv already had corresponding role
 bobe has been added.

 Kind regards, Joost


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Regarding l10n of 3.2, I already translated the New Features in 3.2 page,
but am also looking for the upcoming press release for 3.2 to translate.

Can someone point me to the draft? It would be nice if someone informed us
of availability of press release and new features draft as soon as they are
available, so we can plan our work and finish in time for the release.

What is the planned release date?
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease32
This page has a question mark instead of the release day.

Thanks.
m.

2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

 Thanks, Joost!

 I am just wondering now looking at QATrack roles of the Slovenian team
 members, do we have someone among us with the proper role to confirm these
 builds if and when tests are successfully completed (in the Users tab I do
 not see any description or code of our thee users role; I guess at least one
 of us must be QAL, that would be bobe, and other two are QA)? Can both roles
 approve a build?
 This is not clear to me from the wiki page about QATrack, that help page
 describes menus and how a build is added into the system, but reporting
 about test results and confirming builds is not documented. I just want it
 all to go smooth with the RC2.

 Lp, m.

 2010/1/11 Joost Andrae joost.and...@sun.com

 Hi Martin,


  please add language Slovenian to my name (filmsi) in QATrack, please.
 We
 will do sanity checks etc. for RC2 i.e. 3.2.


 done



 I guess my other two colleagues from the Slovenian l10n team (bobe and
 smolejv) already have proper rights and Slovenian language linked to
 their
 roles?


 smolejv already had corresponding role
 bobe has been added.

 Kind regards, Joost


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2010-01-13 Thread Rafaella Braconi


Marcus,
 
thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If the 
RC2 build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


do you know if the criteria are full-filled (see 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria;)?
The problem here is that not even language packs seem to have been 
built. Anyhow, according to my records, yes the criteria of 80% UI and 
80% translated Help seem to be met.


Rafaella


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The mirror builds seem to be filling up.
I looked at:
http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice.org/extended/3.2.0rc2/
There is no Windows-without-JRE install builds, but probably they must still
be uploaded?

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

 Thanks.

 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

 Hi Martin,

 FYI

 The upload of builds (Dev build, Beta, RC etc.) will be announced on the
 relea...@ooo mailing list. When the download is possible it's announced
 on d...@qa.

 Best regards

 Marcus




 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

 Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available somewhere?
 Where?

 Thanks,
 m.

 2010/1/13 Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com

  Hi Kevin,

 Kevin Scannell ha scritto:

  Dear Rafaella,

  The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were
 omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
 http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
  Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing and
 3.2 release?


  thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If the
 RC2
 build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


 Thanks,
 Rafaella



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Rafaella Braconi wrote:

Hi Rafaella,

thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If the 
RC2 build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


do you know if the criteria are full-filled (see 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria;)?
The problem here is that not even language packs seem to have been 
built. Anyhow, according to my records, yes the criteria of 80% UI and 
80% translated Help seem to be met.


then this was not known. And when the translation came in later as the 
statistics were created then it's indeed likely that they have more than 
80% (unfortunately Galic is not to going via Pootle ;-) ). I'll notify 
the RE team for the builds.


Best regards

Marcus



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2010-01-13 Thread Joost Andrae


Hi,

a global role like a QATrack Administrator mustn't be set here. The QAL 
role fits perfectly to add and to approve files for one localization in 
QATrack.



Sorry, Joost, I just saw now looking at every users page that we all have
QAL role assigned. The fact that puzzled me is probably a bug, by clicking
on a Team subpage the list of names has the Global Role column empty
instead of displaying QAL for every lanuage user.
Still, would love to hear about the detailed procedure to approve builds in
QATrack, we could add that to the wiki page.


To add a build in QATrack select menu item Submit Builds
Add the URL to that build to the URI field and press the Analyze 
Builds button at the bottom of the page.


This is already described at 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QATrack#Submit_Builds


To change the status of a build go to View Status menu item. Then add 
a version number (eg. 3.2.0) to the version field, select your language 
within the language selection box. Then select Detailed View radio 
button and press the button View status to start the query.


The result of that query includes all builds submitted. You can open a 
status page for each build just by selecting it. Within this status page 
you can easily change the status to eg. Approved...


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Hi Martin,

as defined by the Release Status Meeting on Monday there will be only 
JRE builds (except for Linux 32/64-bit Debian and Mac OS) as we have not 
that much space on the extended mirror system. Because we don't want a 
colored matrix or JRE/non-JRE builds we have decided this way. If there 
is a real need and still enough space we can upload some more non-JRE 
builds.


Best regards

Marcus



Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

The mirror builds seem to be filling up.
I looked at:
http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice.org/extended/3.2.0rc2/
There is no Windows-without-JRE install builds, but probably they must still
be uploaded?

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net


Thanks.

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

Hi Martin,

FYI

The upload of builds (Dev build, Beta, RC etc.) will be announced on the
relea...@ooo mailing list. When the download is possible it's announced
on d...@qa.

Best regards

Marcus




Martin Srebotnjak wrote:


Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available somewhere?
Where?

Thanks,
m.

2010/1/13 Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com

 Hi Kevin,

Kevin Scannell ha scritto:

 Dear Rafaella,


 The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were
omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
 Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing and
3.2 release?


 thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If the

RC2
build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


Thanks,
Rafaella



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Hi, Marcus,

I personally prefer non-JRE builds as do most users here, I guess. This
decision must be somehow Sun-oriented, I guess? OOo users should have this
option, IMHO.
If space is the issue, JRE builds are much larger, so it would be a better
idea to drop the JRE builds. Or JRE builds could be hosted on Sun mirrors if
JRE is the keyword here.

At least for Slovenian users I ask of you to build it and give us a link so
we can download it and distribute it through our own webspace, even if not
OOo-approved. Most Windows users here would prefer them. Then you can delete
it from your disks forever.

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

 Hi Martin,

 as defined by the Release Status Meeting on Monday there will be only JRE
 builds (except for Linux 32/64-bit Debian and Mac OS) as we have not that
 much space on the extended mirror system. Because we don't want a colored
 matrix or JRE/non-JRE builds we have decided this way. If there is a real
 need and still enough space we can upload some more non-JRE builds.


 Best regards

 Marcus



 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

 The mirror builds seem to be filling up.
 I looked at:
 http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice.org/extended/3.2.0rc2/
 There is no Windows-without-JRE install builds, but probably they must
 still
 be uploaded?

 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

  Thanks.

 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

 Hi Martin,

 FYI

 The upload of builds (Dev build, Beta, RC etc.) will be announced on the
 relea...@ooo mailing list. When the download is possible it's announced
 on d...@qa.

 Best regards

 Marcus




 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

  Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available somewhere?
 Where?

 Thanks,
 m.

 2010/1/13 Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com

  Hi Kevin,

 Kevin Scannell ha scritto:

  Dear Rafaella,

   The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were
 omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
 http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
  Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing and
 3.2 release?


  thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If
 the

 RC2
 build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


 Thanks,
 Rafaella



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Marcus,

another thing - JRE is not localized into Slovenian nor in many other
languages, unlike OpenOffice.org (I guess Sun doesn't see economic reason to
do so for smaller markets). Also, Java and JRE are not opensource community
driven projects and community cannot help translate them.
In this sense - are wJRE builds still considered l10n builds and community
builds and truly opensource? I mean, then JRE should also be localized in
that languages, which narrows the list of languages to a much lesser list
than it would be with current l10n OOo builds.

I do believe this is a serious question that should not be decided only by a
single release status meeting but by higher authority body in the OOo
community - it has symbolic consequences and steers OOo in a different
directions.

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

 Hi, Marcus,

 I personally prefer non-JRE builds as do most users here, I guess. This
 decision must be somehow Sun-oriented, I guess? OOo users should have this
 option, IMHO.
 If space is the issue, JRE builds are much larger, so it would be a better
 idea to drop the JRE builds. Or JRE builds could be hosted on Sun mirrors if
 JRE is the keyword here.

 At least for Slovenian users I ask of you to build it and give us a link so
 we can download it and distribute it through our own webspace, even if not
 OOo-approved. Most Windows users here would prefer them. Then you can delete
 it from your disks forever.


 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

 Hi Martin,

 as defined by the Release Status Meeting on Monday there will be only JRE
 builds (except for Linux 32/64-bit Debian and Mac OS) as we have not that
 much space on the extended mirror system. Because we don't want a colored
 matrix or JRE/non-JRE builds we have decided this way. If there is a real
 need and still enough space we can upload some more non-JRE builds.


 Best regards

 Marcus



 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

 The mirror builds seem to be filling up.
 I looked at:
 http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice.org/extended/3.2.0rc2/
 There is no Windows-without-JRE install builds, but probably they must
 still
 be uploaded?

 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

  Thanks.

 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

 Hi Martin,

 FYI

 The upload of builds (Dev build, Beta, RC etc.) will be announced on
 the
 relea...@ooo mailing list. When the download is possible it's
 announced
 on d...@qa.

 Best regards

 Marcus




 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

  Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available somewhere?
 Where?

 Thanks,
 m.

 2010/1/13 Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com

  Hi Kevin,

 Kevin Scannell ha scritto:

  Dear Rafaella,

   The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were
 omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
 http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
  Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing and
 3.2 release?


  thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If
 the

 RC2
 build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


 Thanks,
 Rafaella



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Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hi Martin,


I personally prefer non-JRE builds as do most users here, I guess. This
decision must be somehow Sun-oriented, I guess? OOo users should have this
option, IMHO.
If space is the issue, JRE builds are much larger, so it would be a better
idea to drop the JRE builds. Or JRE builds could be hosted on Sun mirrors if


but if the user has no JRE, then he can download it just with the OOo 
package and doesn't have to look for the respective and fitting package.



JRE is the keyword here.


AFAIK I think Sun has no server that work as mirrors.


At least for Slovenian users I ask of you to build it and give us a link so
we can download it and distribute it through our own webspace, even if not
OOo-approved. Most Windows users here would prefer them. Then you can delete
it from your disks forever.


And this would lead into the colored matrix we don't want to have. 
Please don't forget that someone has to maintain this, e.g., in the 
download webpages, too. So, we can do it either for all languages and a 
complete platform or not but please no splitted things. I hope you can 
understand this.


Let's see, maybe others have other points that makes a diffierence.

Best regards

Marcus




2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com


Hi Martin,

as defined by the Release Status Meeting on Monday there will be only JRE
builds (except for Linux 32/64-bit Debian and Mac OS) as we have not that
much space on the extended mirror system. Because we don't want a colored
matrix or JRE/non-JRE builds we have decided this way. If there is a real
need and still enough space we can upload some more non-JRE builds.


Best regards

Marcus



Martin Srebotnjak wrote:


The mirror builds seem to be filling up.
I looked at:
http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice.org/extended/3.2.0rc2/
There is no Windows-without-JRE install builds, but probably they must
still
be uploaded?

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

 Thanks.

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

Hi Martin,


FYI

The upload of builds (Dev build, Beta, RC etc.) will be announced on the
relea...@ooo mailing list. When the download is possible it's announced
on d...@qa.

Best regards

Marcus




Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

 Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available somewhere?

Where?

Thanks,
m.

2010/1/13 Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com

 Hi Kevin,


Kevin Scannell ha scritto:

 Dear Rafaella,

  The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were

omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
 Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing and
3.2 release?


 thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If
the


RC2
build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


Thanks,
Rafaella



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Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hi Martin,


another thing - JRE is not localized into Slovenian nor in many other
languages, unlike OpenOffice.org (I guess Sun doesn't see economic reason to
do so for smaller markets). Also, Java and JRE are not opensource community
driven projects and community cannot help translate them.


OK, but this cannot be influenced by us (or in a really minor way).


In this sense - are wJRE builds still considered l10n builds and community
builds and truly opensource? I mean, then JRE should also be localized in
that languages, which narrows the list of languages to a much lesser list
than it would be with current l10n OOo builds.

I do believe this is a serious question that should not be decided only by a
single release status meeting but by higher authority body in the OOo
community - it has symbolic consequences and steers OOo in a different
directions.


You can try to communicate this to the steering commitee channel. Maybe 
they will discuss it then and make a decision.


Best regards

Marcus




2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net


Hi, Marcus,

I personally prefer non-JRE builds as do most users here, I guess. This
decision must be somehow Sun-oriented, I guess? OOo users should have this
option, IMHO.
If space is the issue, JRE builds are much larger, so it would be a better
idea to drop the JRE builds. Or JRE builds could be hosted on Sun mirrors if
JRE is the keyword here.

At least for Slovenian users I ask of you to build it and give us a link so
we can download it and distribute it through our own webspace, even if not
OOo-approved. Most Windows users here would prefer them. Then you can delete
it from your disks forever.


Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com


Hi Martin,

as defined by the Release Status Meeting on Monday there will be only JRE
builds (except for Linux 32/64-bit Debian and Mac OS) as we have not that
much space on the extended mirror system. Because we don't want a colored
matrix or JRE/non-JRE builds we have decided this way. If there is a real
need and still enough space we can upload some more non-JRE builds.


Best regards

Marcus



Martin Srebotnjak wrote:


The mirror builds seem to be filling up.
I looked at:
http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice.org/extended/3.2.0rc2/
There is no Windows-without-JRE install builds, but probably they must
still
be uploaded?

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

 Thanks.

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

Hi Martin,


FYI

The upload of builds (Dev build, Beta, RC etc.) will be announced on
the
relea...@ooo mailing list. When the download is possible it's
announced
on d...@qa.

Best regards

Marcus




Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

 Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available somewhere?

Where?

Thanks,
m.

2010/1/13 Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com

 Hi Kevin,


Kevin Scannell ha scritto:

 Dear Rafaella,

  The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were

omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
 Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing and
3.2 release?


 thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If
the


RC2
build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


Thanks,
Rafaella



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I vote that wJRE builds get deleted from the servers and only withoutJRE is
served. That way a lot of space will be saved and every user, as you say,
can download Java, if they so require. You can add a link to download page
of JRE in the installtion software, at the end of installation, checks if
Java is installed on the system, and if it is not, it offers a link to
download the latest package if user so desires, notifying her about the
benefits of having Java with JRE installed!

This is not a community package anymore, it is a Java vehicle.

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

 Hi Martin,

  another thing - JRE is not localized into Slovenian nor in many other
 languages, unlike OpenOffice.org (I guess Sun doesn't see economic reason
 to
 do so for smaller markets). Also, Java and JRE are not opensource
 community
 driven projects and community cannot help translate them.


 OK, but this cannot be influenced by us (or in a really minor way).


  In this sense - are wJRE builds still considered l10n builds and community
 builds and truly opensource? I mean, then JRE should also be localized in
 that languages, which narrows the list of languages to a much lesser list
 than it would be with current l10n OOo builds.

 I do believe this is a serious question that should not be decided only by
 a
 single release status meeting but by higher authority body in the OOo
 community - it has symbolic consequences and steers OOo in a different
 directions.


 You can try to communicate this to the steering commitee channel. Maybe
 they will discuss it then and make a decision.

 Best regards

 Marcus




  2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

  Hi, Marcus,

 I personally prefer non-JRE builds as do most users here, I guess. This
 decision must be somehow Sun-oriented, I guess? OOo users should have
 this
 option, IMHO.
 If space is the issue, JRE builds are much larger, so it would be a
 better
 idea to drop the JRE builds. Or JRE builds could be hosted on Sun mirrors
 if
 JRE is the keyword here.

 At least for Slovenian users I ask of you to build it and give us a link
 so
 we can download it and distribute it through our own webspace, even if
 not
 OOo-approved. Most Windows users here would prefer them. Then you can
 delete
 it from your disks forever.


 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

  Hi Martin,

 as defined by the Release Status Meeting on Monday there will be only
 JRE
 builds (except for Linux 32/64-bit Debian and Mac OS) as we have not
 that
 much space on the extended mirror system. Because we don't want a
 colored
 matrix or JRE/non-JRE builds we have decided this way. If there is a
 real
 need and still enough space we can upload some more non-JRE builds.


 Best regards

 Marcus



 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

  The mirror builds seem to be filling up.
 I looked at:
 http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice.org/extended/3.2.0rc2/
 There is no Windows-without-JRE install builds, but probably they must
 still
 be uploaded?

 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

  Thanks.

 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

 Hi Martin,

  FYI

 The upload of builds (Dev build, Beta, RC etc.) will be announced on
 the
 relea...@ooo mailing list. When the download is possible it's
 announced
 on d...@qa.

 Best regards

 Marcus




 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

  Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available
 somewhere?

 Where?

 Thanks,
 m.

 2010/1/13 Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com

  Hi Kevin,

  Kevin Scannell ha scritto:

  Dear Rafaella,

  The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were

 omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
 http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
  Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing and
 3.2 release?


  thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If
 the

  RC2
 build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


 Thanks,
 Rafaella



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Also, I think every l10n community should decide what kind of build should
be available, not release meeting attendees. Did anyone ask l10n leads about
this?

I wonder how open source communities and media that cover such sofware
projects will look at this move.

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

 I vote that wJRE builds get deleted from the servers and only withoutJRE is
 served. That way a lot of space will be saved and every user, as you say,
 can download Java, if they so require. You can add a link to download page
 of JRE in the installtion software, at the end of installation, checks if
 Java is installed on the system, and if it is not, it offers a link to
 download the latest package if user so desires, notifying her about the
 benefits of having Java with JRE installed!

 This is not a community package anymore, it is a Java vehicle.


 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

 Hi Martin,

  another thing - JRE is not localized into Slovenian nor in many other
 languages, unlike OpenOffice.org (I guess Sun doesn't see economic reason
 to
 do so for smaller markets). Also, Java and JRE are not opensource
 community
 driven projects and community cannot help translate them.


 OK, but this cannot be influenced by us (or in a really minor way).


  In this sense - are wJRE builds still considered l10n builds and
 community
 builds and truly opensource? I mean, then JRE should also be localized in
 that languages, which narrows the list of languages to a much lesser list
 than it would be with current l10n OOo builds.

 I do believe this is a serious question that should not be decided only
 by a
 single release status meeting but by higher authority body in the OOo
 community - it has symbolic consequences and steers OOo in a different
 directions.


 You can try to communicate this to the steering commitee channel. Maybe
 they will discuss it then and make a decision.

 Best regards

 Marcus




  2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

  Hi, Marcus,

 I personally prefer non-JRE builds as do most users here, I guess. This
 decision must be somehow Sun-oriented, I guess? OOo users should have
 this
 option, IMHO.
 If space is the issue, JRE builds are much larger, so it would be a
 better
 idea to drop the JRE builds. Or JRE builds could be hosted on Sun
 mirrors if
 JRE is the keyword here.

 At least for Slovenian users I ask of you to build it and give us a link
 so
 we can download it and distribute it through our own webspace, even if
 not
 OOo-approved. Most Windows users here would prefer them. Then you can
 delete
 it from your disks forever.


 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

  Hi Martin,

 as defined by the Release Status Meeting on Monday there will be only
 JRE
 builds (except for Linux 32/64-bit Debian and Mac OS) as we have not
 that
 much space on the extended mirror system. Because we don't want a
 colored
 matrix or JRE/non-JRE builds we have decided this way. If there is a
 real
 need and still enough space we can upload some more non-JRE builds.


 Best regards

 Marcus



 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

  The mirror builds seem to be filling up.
 I looked at:
 http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice.org/extended/3.2.0rc2/
 There is no Windows-without-JRE install builds, but probably they must
 still
 be uploaded?

 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

  Thanks.

 Lp, m.

 2010/1/13 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

 Hi Martin,

  FYI

 The upload of builds (Dev build, Beta, RC etc.) will be announced on
 the
 relea...@ooo mailing list. When the download is possible it's
 announced
 on d...@qa.

 Best regards

 Marcus




 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

  Wait, Rafaella, are RC2 builds already built and available
 somewhere?

 Where?

 Thanks,
 m.

 2010/1/13 Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com

  Hi Kevin,

  Kevin Scannell ha scritto:

  Dear Rafaella,

  The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were

 omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
 http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
  Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing
 and
 3.2 release?


  thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue.
 If
 the

  RC2
 build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and uploaded.


 Thanks,
 Rafaella



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2010-01-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
 In this sense - are wJRE builds still considered l10n builds and community
 builds and truly opensource?

The Italian team has only released with-JRE builds (for Windows) for a
long time, and surely we will do this for 3.2 too. If one is fine with
using Microsoft Windows then the non-free JRE is not an issue; also,
it's very easy to skip the JRE installation with an advanced
installation.

Still, this is an issue: a policy issue and a practical issue for those
non-Windows users who prefer free software only. I proposed long ago to
bundle OpenOffice.org with a free software version of JRE. I'm not
following Java development, but as far as I know this issue should
eventually be solved when the open-sourcing of Java is completed. If
anyone has some knowledge of this, I'd really like to learn more about
the Java licensing status.

Regards,
  Andrea Pescetti - Italian N-L Project Lead.


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Andrea, Java and JRE might me localized in Italian, but they are not in
Slovenian and several if not most world languages.

A l10n installation installs an English non-localized software etc. Is that
still a fully localized build? Should not there be 100% of GUI localized?

Here is the list of languages that JRE is fully localized in:
Chinese (both), English, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Spanish,
Swedish.

Just 9 (or 10 if you count two Chinese) languages. OOo is fully built in 31
(!) languages. I guess the French, German, Italian, Japanese, Korean,
Spanish and Swedish communities might be happy with this decision, but what
about other 20 communities?

Let's make an offer to Sun - JRE will be packed into all OOo builds by
default if and when you provide the localization for all languages that have
full builds of OOo.

However, that will not clear the licensing issue that might exist.

Lp, m.

2010/1/13 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org

 Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
  In this sense - are wJRE builds still considered l10n builds and
 community
  builds and truly opensource?

 The Italian team has only released with-JRE builds (for Windows) for a
 long time, and surely we will do this for 3.2 too. If one is fine with
 using Microsoft Windows then the non-free JRE is not an issue; also,
 it's very easy to skip the JRE installation with an advanced
 installation.

 Still, this is an issue: a policy issue and a practical issue for those
 non-Windows users who prefer free software only. I proposed long ago to
 bundle OpenOffice.org with a free software version of JRE. I'm not
 following Java development, but as far as I know this issue should
 eventually be solved when the open-sourcing of Java is completed. If
 anyone has some knowledge of this, I'd really like to learn more about
 the Java licensing status.

 Regards,
   Andrea Pescetti - Italian N-L Project Lead.


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2010-01-13 Thread Andre Schnabel

Hi,

 Original-Nachricht 
 Von: Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

 
 Just 9 (or 10 if you count two Chinese) languages. OOo is fully built in
 31
 (!) languages. I guess the French, German, Italian, Japanese, Korean,
 Spanish and Swedish communities might be happy with this decision, 


Nope, we are not (ok, we do not yet know, if *we* are, as *we* have not been
aware of the decision).

Problem is, that wJRE builds are not usefull for users in corporate /
business environments. For the moment I just can tell, the we had
the discussion on 3.1.1, when we did not test w/o-JRE builds 
(without clearly stating this beforehand). We definatley have users
and project members, who would prefere Windows builds without JRE.

André

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Marcus Lange wrote:

Rafaella Braconi wrote:


Hi Kevin,

thanks for reporting! I've commented and reassigned the issue. If 
the RC2 build is not available in Irish (ga) will be built and 
uploaded.


do you know if the criteria are full-filled (see 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria;)?
The problem here is that not even language packs seem to have been 
built. Anyhow, according to my records, yes the criteria of 80% UI and 
80% translated Help seem to be met.


then this was not known. And when the translation came in later as the 
statistics were created then it's indeed likely that they have more than 
80% (unfortunately Galic is not to going via Pootle ;-) ). I'll notify 
the RE team for the builds.


I've uploaded builds for ga to the mirrors. They should be available 
tomorrow hopefully.


Best regards

Marcus

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2010-01-12 Thread Rafaella Braconi


Hi Per,


Working in QATrack
If you want to be able to work in QATrack and handle builds, you need 
permissions for that language. Submit your request for permissions for 
your account to the d...@qa.openoffice.org mailing list.


Adding builds
You are responsible that the builds that you work with are added to 
QATrack. If the list is empty, use the QATrack's Submit Build tab, 
enter a URL to a OpenOffice.org mirror where the build can be found, 
and click OK. Perform this step for all the builds that you wish to 
work with.


Don't get an response
In case you don't get a repsonse from the mailing list - send it 
again! We are people and people can easily miss emails :-)
thank you for this quick start instructions! RC2 builds should be 
available by Wednesday. I hope to see a long, long list of approved 
builds :-)


Rafaella


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Re: [l10n-dev] Please prepare for 3.2RC2 l10n binaries sanity check next week

2010-01-12 Thread Kevin Scannell

Dear Rafaella,
   The Irish team has a complete localization but somehow we were
omitted from the RC2 builds at the link you give below.   See
http://l10n.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107057.
   Is there anything we can do to get builds in time for testing and
3.2 release?
Kevin

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To: dev@l10n.openoffice.org
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:41:28 +0100
Subject: Re: [l10n-dev] Please prepare for 3.2RC2 l10n binaries sanity
check next week
Joost, Per, Marcus,

many N-L teams have delivered traslations for 3.2. Can you please make
sure that we have QATrack accounts set up for all these teams?
Let's make it as easy as possibles to all these teams to log into
QATrack and approved the l10n release candidates / language packs.
At: 
http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/localization/localization37fix/
you can get the list of the languages.

If any other team needs an account in QATrack or needs assistance on
how to proceed with the final approval/release, please do let me know.

Thanks,
Rafaella

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2010-01-11 Thread Marcus Lange


suso wrote:

Hi,

I still need to have QATrack to be turned operative. Could anybody please 
give me instructions on how to proceed in order to get RC2 binaries TCM

tested, QATrack approved and then officially released, in this situation?

Thanks to all the people who is helping us with this! :)


first you need to have a user login for this tool, so that you can add 
the respective builds you want to test and approve.


@Per:
Please can you take over?

HTH

Best regards

Marcus


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Hi,

how is your OpenOffice.org login name ?
Without this I cannot add you user ID to qatrack and I cannot add a role 
to your user ID.


Kind regards, Joost


suso schrieb:

Hi all,

Galician language team wants to proceed with RC2. But: as QAtrack didn't
work for us in previous 3.2 builds (no language assigned, no builds, no
notifications...) I'm afraid that it will probably neither work for RC2.

I asked for QATrack permissions at the beginning (attached mail), without
answer. Also we passed TCM tests for localization37 and Sanity Check for
RC1 [1].


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2010-01-11 Thread Martin Srebotnjak

Hello,

please add language Slovenian to my name (filmsi) in QATrack, please. We
will do sanity checks etc. for RC2 i.e. 3.2.

We tried also the full tests of Slovenian RC1 as seen in QUASTe, but due to
impossibility to upload updated test results the displayed number of errors
there is misleading, because Vito was adapting the testcases to Slovenian +
tuning his test environment along the way as he was testing. He did tests on
OSX and Windows and I did sanity checks on both systems and everything looks
fine for us (this is no surprise as OOo is 100% localized into Slovenian
from 1.x version days, we just didn't officially test it). It is time it
gets also officially released.

I guess my other two colleagues from the Slovenian l10n team (bobe and
smolejv) already have proper rights and Slovenian language linked to their
roles?

LP, m.

2010/1/11 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

 suso wrote:

 Hi,


  I still need to have QATrack to be turned operative. Could anybody please
 give me instructions on how to proceed in order to get RC2 binaries TCM
 tested, QATrack approved and then officially released, in this situation?

 Thanks to all the people who is helping us with this! :)


 first you need to have a user login for this tool, so that you can add the
 respective builds you want to test and approve.

 @Per:
 Please can you take over?

 HTH

 Best regards

 Marcus



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2010-01-11 Thread Jesús Corrius

The same happens with the Catalan version. Latest builds don't appear
in the QATrack and we are more than willing to test them!

Regards,

Jesús.

2010/1/11 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net:
 Hello,

 please add language Slovenian to my name (filmsi) in QATrack, please. We
 will do sanity checks etc. for RC2 i.e. 3.2.

 We tried also the full tests of Slovenian RC1 as seen in QUASTe, but due to
 impossibility to upload updated test results the displayed number of errors
 there is misleading, because Vito was adapting the testcases to Slovenian +
 tuning his test environment along the way as he was testing. He did tests on
 OSX and Windows and I did sanity checks on both systems and everything looks
 fine for us (this is no surprise as OOo is 100% localized into Slovenian
 from 1.x version days, we just didn't officially test it). It is time it
 gets also officially released.

 I guess my other two colleagues from the Slovenian l10n team (bobe and
 smolejv) already have proper rights and Slovenian language linked to their
 roles?

 LP, m.

 2010/1/11 Marcus Lange marcus.la...@sun.com

 suso wrote:

 Hi,


  I still need to have QATrack to be turned operative. Could anybody please
 give me instructions on how to proceed in order to get RC2 binaries TCM
 tested, QATrack approved and then officially released, in this situation?

 Thanks to all the people who is helping us with this! :)


 first you need to have a user login for this tool, so that you can add the
 respective builds you want to test and approve.

 @Per:
 Please can you take over?

 HTH

 Best regards

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Re: [l10n-dev] Please prepare for 3.2RC2 l10n binaries sanity check next week

2010-01-11 Thread Rafaella Braconi


Joost, Per, Marcus,

many N-L teams have delivered traslations for 3.2. Can you please make 
sure that we have QATrack accounts set up for all these teams?
Let's make it as easy as possibles to all these teams to log into 
QATrack and approved the l10n release candidates / language packs.
At: 
http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/localization/localization37fix/ 
you can get the list of the languages.


If any other team needs an account in QATrack or needs assistance on how 
to proceed with the final approval/release, please do let me know.


Thanks,
Rafaella


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Hi Martin,


please add language Slovenian to my name (filmsi) in QATrack, please. We
will do sanity checks etc. for RC2 i.e. 3.2.


done



I guess my other two colleagues from the Slovenian l10n team (bobe and
smolejv) already have proper rights and Slovenian language linked to their
roles?



smolejv already had corresponding role
bobe has been added.

Kind regards, Joost

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Hi, Jesús,


you can add the files youself.

Jesús Corrius schrieb:

The same happens with the Catalan version. Latest builds don't appear
in the QATrack and we are more than willing to test them!



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Re: [l10n-dev] Please prepare for 3.2RC2 l10n binaries sanity check next week

2010-01-11 Thread Marcus Lange

Rafaella Braconi wrote:

On 01/11/10 11:51, Joost Andrae wrote:

Hi Rafaella,

every OOo user should be able to login into QATrack by using his/her
OOo user account. If somebody needs a role as OOo l10n QA lead then
he/she needs to ask for this role within the QA mailing list. Per or
myself could add this role to the user account on request.

What is needed ?

The OOo login name
The locale name (eg. en-US)

thank you Joost for the above information. This means that in case after
login the RC builds are not available for selection, the N-L QA lead

yes

The builds are not available in QATrack just by a login. They have to be
added manually by the respective user. Only then it is possible to
change the status to inqa, approved, etc.

needs to request for the appropriate permissions, right?

yes

HTH

Marcus

Rafaella Braconi schrieb:

Joost, Per, Marcus,

many N-L teams have delivered traslations for 3.2. Can you please
make sure that we have QATrack accounts set up for all these teams?
Let's make it as easy as possibles to all these teams to log into
QATrack and approved the l10n release candidates / language packs.
At:
http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/localization/localization37fix/
you can get the list of the languages.

If any other team needs an account in QATrack or needs assistance on
how to proceed with the final approval/release, please do let me know.

Thanks,
Rafaella

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2010-01-11 Thread suso

Hi Joost,

My login is susinho; I have login access to QATrack, but no assigned 
languages, builds nor notifications.

Thanks for your help! :)

Joost Andrae escrebeu:
 Hi,

 how is your OpenOffice.org login name ?
 Without this I cannot add you user ID to qatrack and I cannot add a 
 role to your user ID.

 Kind regards, Joost


 suso schrieb:
 Hi all,

 Galician language team wants to proceed with RC2. But: as QAtrack didn't
 work for us in previous 3.2 builds (no language assigned, no builds, no
 notifications...) I'm afraid that it will probably neither work for RC2.

 I asked for QATrack permissions at the beginning (attached mail), without
 answer. Also we passed TCM tests for localization37 and Sanity Check for
 RC1 [1].

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Re: [l10n-dev] Please prepare for 3.2RC2 l10n binaries sanity check next week

2010-01-11 Thread suso

Joost Andrae escrebeu:
 Hi,

 every OOo user should be able to login into QATrack by using his/her 
 OOo  user account. If somebody needs a role as OOo l10n QA lead then 
 he/she needs to ask for this role within the QA mailing list. Per or 
 myself could add this role to the user account on request.

I asked for having QAL role assigned at QA mailing list already; I think I
need it as NL lead.


 What is needed ?

 The OOo login name
susinho

 The locale name (eg. en-US)
galician (gl)

Thanks, Joost.


 Kind regards, Joost

 Rafaella Braconi schrieb:
 Joost, Per, Marcus,

 many N-L teams have delivered traslations for 3.2. Can you please 
 make sure that we have QATrack accounts set up for all these teams?
 Let's make it as easy as possibles to all these teams to log into  
 QATrack and approved the l10n release candidates / language packs.
 At:  
 http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/localization/localization37fix/
  
 you can get the list of the languages.

 If any other team needs an account in QATrack or needs assistance on 
 how to proceed with the final approval/release, please do let me 
 know.

 Thanks,
 Rafaella



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