Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Just a note: I found out the hard way (by clicking on the link) that Trello isn't compatible with Firefox (40.0.3) on Ubuntu (14.04LTS). Like a few other new web frameworks such as Wix it renders as a blank screen. It works just fine with Chrome (this just confirms my Grande Conspiracy Theory regarding Google Taking Over the World). sigh (and thanks for the invite) On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 5:00 AM, Chris Spiliotopoulos < chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have created a board over @ Trello > <https://trello.com/b/hUTQuH6q/codename-apache-shindig-2015> where anyone > who wants can write down his wishes regarding the future of the project. > This way we can all have an overall perspective of what most people want to > see happening and everyone can vote. Data never lie. The board is public > but send me an RSVP to add you as members if you want to add stuff. An > invitation should have been already sent to all members in this discussion. > > Kind regards, > Chris > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Darren Bond wrote: > > > Hi Chris, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the synopsis of what you do and where you’re coming from. > > Currently our interest and focus is on pretty much everything Shindig has > > to offer, from gadget rendering, canvas view support, UserPref > definitions, > > OpenSocial connections and so on. We’re more or less recreated iGoogle at > > www.blueg.com and have other similar but highly targeted plans for > > www.gamesoft.com relating to the Computer & Video Games market. > > > > > > > > Hopefully we can continue sharing ideas, thoughts and hopes for the > future > > use of the Shindig code base and give it the audience it deserves and > needs. > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > Darren > > > > > > > > *Darren Bond | Service Manager |* *GlobalCAD* > > > > T +44 1252 703939 > > > > db...@globalcad.com | www.globalcad.com > > > > > > > > *From:* Chris Spiliotopoulos [mailto: > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com] > > > > *Sent:* 13 November 2015 12:52 > > > > *To:* Darren Bond > > *Subject:* Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > > > > > > > Hi Darren, > > > > > > > > long story short - I am a Solutions Architect coming from the Enterprise > > with 15 years of experience on my back. For the last 3-4 years I've been > > focusing mainly in the fields of real-time big data analytics, > dashboarding > > and APIs for highly scalable / distributed systems. Currently I'm > working > > as a contractor for a company in the music streaming business with a > > product which is a direct competitor to Spotify. At the same time I'm > also > > writing dev tools and browser plugins for both internal use and open > source > > communities. > > > > > > > > Now regarding your question, I could naturally get involved supporting > the > > maintenance of the project - given of course a right future and > perspective > > - as I've been working with Java oriented technologies more than I can > > remember but as you can understand my available time slots for this sort > of > > thing would be fairly limited as my time usually gets filled up with very > > diverse tasks. For example, one of my responsibilities within the > context > > of my day time job is to lead the path for our QA / Automation team > (apart > > from the aforementioned tasks) and this takes me down a road of heavy BDD > > oriented deliverables ranging from internal tools and frameworks to > design > > principles. You can have a look at some of the things I'm currently > into @ > > http://chefarchitect.github.io/ which is my personal GitHub space. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I'd be more than happy to contribute shareable resources and > > experiences and if we decide to pay focus in that aspect - rather than > > trying to extend the core components that are pretty robust at the > moment - > > as I truly believe that this is the ground where the 'game' should be > > played. For example, during the last couple of years me and my teams > have > > switched over to other more modern stacks like NodeJS and everything we > > design follows a micro-service principle. One of the things that we'll > be > > developing in the near future is a micro-service for a gadgets > marketplace > > that we need for our product in order to have a purely dynamic way of > > contri
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Hi all, I have created a board over @ Trello <https://trello.com/b/hUTQuH6q/codename-apache-shindig-2015> where anyone who wants can write down his wishes regarding the future of the project. This way we can all have an overall perspective of what most people want to see happening and everyone can vote. Data never lie. The board is public but send me an RSVP to add you as members if you want to add stuff. An invitation should have been already sent to all members in this discussion. Kind regards, Chris On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Darren Bond wrote: > Hi Chris, > > > > Thanks for the synopsis of what you do and where you’re coming from. > Currently our interest and focus is on pretty much everything Shindig has > to offer, from gadget rendering, canvas view support, UserPref definitions, > OpenSocial connections and so on. We’re more or less recreated iGoogle at > www.blueg.com and have other similar but highly targeted plans for > www.gamesoft.com relating to the Computer & Video Games market. > > > > Hopefully we can continue sharing ideas, thoughts and hopes for the future > use of the Shindig code base and give it the audience it deserves and needs. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Darren > > > > *Darren Bond | Service Manager |* *GlobalCAD* > > T +44 1252 703939 > > db...@globalcad.com | www.globalcad.com > > > > *From:* Chris Spiliotopoulos [mailto:chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com] > > *Sent:* 13 November 2015 12:52 > > *To:* Darren Bond > *Subject:* Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > > > Hi Darren, > > > > long story short - I am a Solutions Architect coming from the Enterprise > with 15 years of experience on my back. For the last 3-4 years I've been > focusing mainly in the fields of real-time big data analytics, dashboarding > and APIs for highly scalable / distributed systems. Currently I'm working > as a contractor for a company in the music streaming business with a > product which is a direct competitor to Spotify. At the same time I'm also > writing dev tools and browser plugins for both internal use and open source > communities. > > > > Now regarding your question, I could naturally get involved supporting the > maintenance of the project - given of course a right future and perspective > - as I've been working with Java oriented technologies more than I can > remember but as you can understand my available time slots for this sort of > thing would be fairly limited as my time usually gets filled up with very > diverse tasks. For example, one of my responsibilities within the context > of my day time job is to lead the path for our QA / Automation team (apart > from the aforementioned tasks) and this takes me down a road of heavy BDD > oriented deliverables ranging from internal tools and frameworks to design > principles. You can have a look at some of the things I'm currently into @ > http://chefarchitect.github.io/ which is my personal GitHub space. > > > > Anyway, I'd be more than happy to contribute shareable resources and > experiences and if we decide to pay focus in that aspect - rather than > trying to extend the core components that are pretty robust at the moment - > as I truly believe that this is the ground where the 'game' should be > played. For example, during the last couple of years me and my teams have > switched over to other more modern stacks like NodeJS and everything we > design follows a micro-service principle. One of the things that we'll be > developing in the near future is a micro-service for a gadgets marketplace > that we need for our product in order to have a purely dynamic way of > contributing gadgets within our eco-system and dashboards and at the same > time enable 3rd party devs to do the same as well. This could perfectly > match the description of a shareable resource that others could plug into > their eco-systems as a all-in-one bundled Docker container that contains > the API, store engine, etc. If we start sharing real-life experiences in > the form of deployable components I'm 100% sure that this would trigger > others to start building on top of working services without having to > re-invent the wheel. > > > > As a close-up line, I'm quoting a dialogue from the latest James Bond > movie that I came across through the trailer: > > > > James (to the bad guy): "I'm here to kill you" > Bad guy (to James): "Oh, I thought you were here to die" > James: "Well, everything is a matter of perspective" ;) > > > > Best regards, > > Chris > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Darren B
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
now for >> > you >> > > > than >> > > > > you should be able to continue to use it as is. >> > > > > >> > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato < >> > > > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com > >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad >> to >> > > hear >> > > > > of >> > > > > > the demise of what >> > > > > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. >> > For >> > > > the >> > > > > > past nine months I have >> > > > > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and >> > > > industry >> > > > > > delivery platforms of the >> > > > > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a >> > > > Liferay/Shindig >> > > > > > based site. Over the >> > > > > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently >> > > > awaiting >> > > > > > the next project >> > > > > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team >> > and >> > > > > tell >> > > > > > them that the >> > > > > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat >> > embarrassing, >> > > > and >> > > > > we >> > > > > > will likewise now >> > > > > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead >> designer >> > I >> > > > have >> > > > > > been quite happy >> > > > > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked >> > > > forward >> > > > > > to a robust >> > > > > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service >> > with >> > > a >> > > > > > shiny new Gadget-based >> > > > > > solution. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very >> > > sorry >> > > > > to >> > > > > > hear about it being >> > > > > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev >> side >> > at >> > > > > > Apache but we were actively >> > > > > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our >> online >> > > > > weather >> > > > > > delivery solution. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Ichiro >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter < >> rbaxte...@apache.org >> > > >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted >> > to >> > > > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have >> > > > already >> > > > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months >> > > board >> > > > > > report >> > > > > > > (below). >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in >> > > > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past >> months >> > > and >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This >> can >> > > > > > certainly >> > > > > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be >> > sure >> > > to >> > > > > > keep >> > > > > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. >> > > > Thanks. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -Ryan >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [1] >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -- Forwarded message - >> > > > > > > From: Ryan Baxter > >> > > > > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM >> > > > > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project >> > > > > > > To: bo...@apache.org > > > >> > > > > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org < >> > priv...@shindig.apache.org > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache >> > > DirectMemory >> > > > > > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to >> the >> > > > > > > Attic; and >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best >> > > > > > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig >> project >> > > > > > > due to inactivity; >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig >> > > > > > > project is hereby terminated; and be it further >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with >> > > > > > > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig >> > > > > > > Project; and be it further >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" >> is >> > > > > > > hereby terminated; and be it further >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Chris Spiliotopoulos >> > >> > Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn >> > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter >> > <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> >> > >> > > > >-- >Chris Spiliotopoulos > >Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn ><https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter ><https://twitter.com/chefArchitect>
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
gt; > hear > > > > of > > > > > the demise of what > > > > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. > For > > > the > > > > > past nine months I have > > > > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and > > > industry > > > > > delivery platforms of the > > > > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a > > > Liferay/Shindig > > > > > based site. Over the > > > > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently > > > awaiting > > > > > the next project > > > > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team > and > > > > tell > > > > > them that the > > > > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat > embarrassing, > > > and > > > > we > > > > > will likewise now > > > > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer > I > > > have > > > > > been quite happy > > > > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked > > > forward > > > > > to a robust > > > > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service > with > > a > > > > > shiny new Gadget-based > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very > > sorry > > > > to > > > > > hear about it being > > > > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side > at > > > > > Apache but we were actively > > > > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online > > > > weather > > > > > delivery solution. > > > > > > > > > > Ichiro > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted > to > > > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have > > > already > > > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months > > board > > > > > report > > > > > > (below). > > > > > > > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months > > and > > > > the > > > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > > > > > certainly > > > > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be > sure > > to > > > > > keep > > > > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Ryan > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Forwarded message - > > > > > > From: Ryan Baxter > > > > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > > > > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > > > > > To: bo...@apache.org > > > > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache > > DirectMemory > > > > > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the > > > > > > Attic; and > > > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best > > > > > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project > > > > > > due to inactivity; > > > > > > > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig > > > > > > project is hereby terminated; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with > > > > > > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig > > > > > > Project; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is > > > > > > hereby terminated; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Chris Spiliotopoulos > > Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter > <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> >
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Okay Chris. You are right we need proper planning before we do anything here. On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos < chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Raj, > > I think rushing into things will just bring us to the same situation but at > a different location this time. > > Let's just leave Ryan to do what he's been told to do and wait for others > input regarding the calls to action I suggested. If we really want to make > a fresh start, then this should include a new perspective on things and > processes. > > I can hardly agree with you regarding the monolith project - I think that > if someone wants to put a 'body tag' on this thing is to just leave it as > it is. Let's just wait for others to give their feedback on the renaming > and splitting options and I'm sure that things will get clearer. > > Regards, > Chris > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 3:16 AM Raj Janorkar > wrote: > > > Okay. > > > > Thank you Ryan. > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Ryan Baxter > wrote: > > > > > Raj, I need to check with the board about what to do here. The board > > voted > > > to move the project to the attic so I have a feeling that will need to > > > happen first to officially retire the project in the Apache's eyes. > Then > > > you can take the code and do what you please with the code. At this > > point > > > since the project has officially been terminated I don't think we can > do > > a > > > release. > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:07 PM Raj Janorkar > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > > > > > Before moving to Github, It would be great to release the FINAL > version > > > > with all the changes done in since last release. > > > > > > > > What says? > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Raj Janorkar < > raj.janor...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > I think it would be good if we officially move this project to > > github. > > > If > > > > > not possible then put this project to attic and then just create > > single > > > > > copy on github, so that we have one project for all dev community > to > > > > > concentrate on. Otherwise we will end up creating same project in > > > > different > > > > > places with different versions and customization which is very hard > > to > > > > > track and focus on. > > > > > > > > > > If you all okay i can checkout the project from apache and put it > > into > > > > > github, if there is way anybody know directly moving from apache to > > > > github > > > > > then we can do that way. > > > > > > > > > > What you think about this Ryan/Chris/Darren and all others? > > > > > > > > > > Thank You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Baxter > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Guys, > > > > >> > > > > >> It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project! I still need > to > > > go > > > > >> through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but > I > > > > don't > > > > >> see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" > project > > > > >> elsewhere. > > > > >> > > > > >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar < > raj.janor...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Thats Great Site Darren. > > > > >>> Lets give new life to Shindig. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Regards, Raj > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Hi Raj, > >
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Raj, I think rushing into things will just bring us to the same situation but at a different location this time. Let's just leave Ryan to do what he's been told to do and wait for others input regarding the calls to action I suggested. If we really want to make a fresh start, then this should include a new perspective on things and processes. I can hardly agree with you regarding the monolith project - I think that if someone wants to put a 'body tag' on this thing is to just leave it as it is. Let's just wait for others to give their feedback on the renaming and splitting options and I'm sure that things will get clearer. Regards, Chris On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 3:16 AM Raj Janorkar wrote: > Okay. > > Thank you Ryan. > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > > > Raj, I need to check with the board about what to do here. The board > voted > > to move the project to the attic so I have a feeling that will need to > > happen first to officially retire the project in the Apache's eyes. Then > > you can take the code and do what you please with the code. At this > point > > since the project has officially been terminated I don't think we can do > a > > release. > > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:07 PM Raj Janorkar > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > > > Before moving to Github, It would be great to release the FINAL version > > > with all the changes done in since last release. > > > > > > What says? > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Raj Janorkar > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > I think it would be good if we officially move this project to > github. > > If > > > > not possible then put this project to attic and then just create > single > > > > copy on github, so that we have one project for all dev community to > > > > concentrate on. Otherwise we will end up creating same project in > > > different > > > > places with different versions and customization which is very hard > to > > > > track and focus on. > > > > > > > > If you all okay i can checkout the project from apache and put it > into > > > > github, if there is way anybody know directly moving from apache to > > > github > > > > then we can do that way. > > > > > > > > What you think about this Ryan/Chris/Darren and all others? > > > > > > > > Thank You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Baxter > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi Guys, > > > >> > > > >> It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project! I still need to > > go > > > >> through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but I > > > don't > > > >> see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" project > > > >> elsewhere. > > > >> > > > >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Thats Great Site Darren. > > > >>> Lets give new life to Shindig. > > > >>> > > > >>> I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig. > > > >>> > > > >>> Regards, Raj > > > >>> > > > >>> On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > Hi Raj, > > > >>> > > > > >>> > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Happy to share some experiences too. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Kind regards, > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Darren > > > >>> > > > > >>> > - Reply message - > > > >>> > From: "Raj Janorkar" > > > > >>> > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" > > >>> > > > > > >>> > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org " < > > dev@shindig.apache.org > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > > >&
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Okay. Thank you Ryan. On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > Raj, I need to check with the board about what to do here. The board voted > to move the project to the attic so I have a feeling that will need to > happen first to officially retire the project in the Apache's eyes. Then > you can take the code and do what you please with the code. At this point > since the project has officially been terminated I don't think we can do a > release. > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:07 PM Raj Janorkar > wrote: > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > Before moving to Github, It would be great to release the FINAL version > > with all the changes done in since last release. > > > > What says? > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Raj Janorkar > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > I think it would be good if we officially move this project to github. > If > > > not possible then put this project to attic and then just create single > > > copy on github, so that we have one project for all dev community to > > > concentrate on. Otherwise we will end up creating same project in > > different > > > places with different versions and customization which is very hard to > > > track and focus on. > > > > > > If you all okay i can checkout the project from apache and put it into > > > github, if there is way anybody know directly moving from apache to > > github > > > then we can do that way. > > > > > > What you think about this Ryan/Chris/Darren and all others? > > > > > > Thank You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Baxter > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Guys, > > >> > > >> It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project! I still need to > go > > >> through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but I > > don't > > >> see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" project > > >> elsewhere. > > >> > > >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Thats Great Site Darren. > > >>> Lets give new life to Shindig. > > >>> > > >>> I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig. > > >>> > > >>> Regards, Raj > > >>> > > >>> On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > Hi Raj, > > >>> > > > >>> > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com > > >>> > > > >>> > Happy to share some experiences too. > > >>> > > > >>> > Kind regards, > > >>> > > > >>> > Darren > > >>> > > > >>> > - Reply message - > > >>> > From: "Raj Janorkar" > > > >>> > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" > >>> > > > > >>> > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org " < > dev@shindig.apache.org > > >>> > > > > >>> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > >>> > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM > > >>> > > > >>> > Just to let you know > > >>> > > > >>> > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn > > >>> > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com > > >>> > > > >>> > I can definitely share some working examples. > > >>> > > > >>> > Cheers. > > >>> > > > >>> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos < > > >>> > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > > Hi Raj, > > >>> > > > > >>> > > well I guess this makes 2 of us! Let's wait for what others have > > to > > >>> say > > >>> > > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Cheers > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar < > >
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Raj, I need to check with the board about what to do here. The board voted to move the project to the attic so I have a feeling that will need to happen first to officially retire the project in the Apache's eyes. Then you can take the code and do what you please with the code. At this point since the project has officially been terminated I don't think we can do a release. On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:07 PM Raj Janorkar wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > Before moving to Github, It would be great to release the FINAL version > with all the changes done in since last release. > > What says? > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Raj Janorkar > wrote: > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > Thank you. > > > > I think it would be good if we officially move this project to github. If > > not possible then put this project to attic and then just create single > > copy on github, so that we have one project for all dev community to > > concentrate on. Otherwise we will end up creating same project in > different > > places with different versions and customization which is very hard to > > track and focus on. > > > > If you all okay i can checkout the project from apache and put it into > > github, if there is way anybody know directly moving from apache to > github > > then we can do that way. > > > > What you think about this Ryan/Chris/Darren and all others? > > > > Thank You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Baxter > wrote: > > > >> Hi Guys, > >> > >> It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project! I still need to go > >> through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but I > don't > >> see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" project > >> elsewhere. > >> > >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Thats Great Site Darren. > >>> Lets give new life to Shindig. > >>> > >>> I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig. > >>> > >>> Regards, Raj > >>> > >>> On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond wrote: > >>> > >>> > Hi Raj, > >>> > > >>> > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com > >>> > > >>> > Happy to share some experiences too. > >>> > > >>> > Kind regards, > >>> > > >>> > Darren > >>> > > >>> > - Reply message - > >>> > From: "Raj Janorkar" > > >>> > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" >>> > > > >>> > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org " >>> > > > >>> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > >>> > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM > >>> > > >>> > Just to let you know > >>> > > >>> > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn > >>> > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com > >>> > > >>> > I can definitely share some working examples. > >>> > > >>> > Cheers. > >>> > > >>> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos < > >>> > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > Hi Raj, > >>> > > > >>> > > well I guess this makes 2 of us! Let's wait for what others have > to > >>> say > >>> > > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives. > >>> > > > >>> > > Cheers > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar < > raj.janor...@gmail.com > >>> > > > >>> > > wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > >> Hi Chris, > >>> > >> i am ready. > >>> > >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but > >>> > couldn't > >>> > >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> This time i can help creating few html pages. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Regards, > >>> > >> Raj > >>> > >> > >>> > >>
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Hi Ryan, Before moving to Github, It would be great to release the FINAL version with all the changes done in since last release. What says? On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Raj Janorkar wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > Thank you. > > I think it would be good if we officially move this project to github. If > not possible then put this project to attic and then just create single > copy on github, so that we have one project for all dev community to > concentrate on. Otherwise we will end up creating same project in different > places with different versions and customization which is very hard to > track and focus on. > > If you all okay i can checkout the project from apache and put it into > github, if there is way anybody know directly moving from apache to github > then we can do that way. > > What you think about this Ryan/Chris/Darren and all others? > > Thank You. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > >> Hi Guys, >> >> It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project! I still need to go >> through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but I don't >> see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" project >> elsewhere. >> >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar >> wrote: >> >>> Thats Great Site Darren. >>> Lets give new life to Shindig. >>> >>> I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig. >>> >>> Regards, Raj >>> >>> On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond wrote: >>> >>> > Hi Raj, >>> > >>> > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com >>> > >>> > Happy to share some experiences too. >>> > >>> > Kind regards, >>> > >>> > Darren >>> > >>> > - Reply message - >>> > From: "Raj Janorkar" > >>> > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" >> > > >>> > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org " >> > > >>> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project >>> > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM >>> > >>> > Just to let you know >>> > >>> > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn >>> > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com >>> > >>> > I can definitely share some working examples. >>> > >>> > Cheers. >>> > >>> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos < >>> > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote: >>> > >>> > > Hi Raj, >>> > > >>> > > well I guess this makes 2 of us! Let's wait for what others have to >>> say >>> > > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives. >>> > > >>> > > Cheers >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar >> > > >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> Hi Chris, >>> > >> i am ready. >>> > >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but >>> > couldn't >>> > >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website. >>> > >> >>> > >> This time i can help creating few html pages. >>> > >> >>> > >> Regards, >>> > >> Raj >>> > >> >>> > >> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos < >>> > >> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> > Hi all, >>> > >> > >>> > >> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so >>> > far, I >>> > >> > have come down to the following conclusion. >>> > >> > >>> > >> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in >>> the >>> > >> shadows >>> > >> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, >>> advocating, >>> > >> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company >>> like >>> > >> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project >>> for >>> > a >>> > >> > number of years now). >>&
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Hi Ryan, Thank you. I think it would be good if we officially move this project to github. If not possible then put this project to attic and then just create single copy on github, so that we have one project for all dev community to concentrate on. Otherwise we will end up creating same project in different places with different versions and customization which is very hard to track and focus on. If you all okay i can checkout the project from apache and put it into github, if there is way anybody know directly moving from apache to github then we can do that way. What you think about this Ryan/Chris/Darren and all others? Thank You. On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > Hi Guys, > > It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project! I still need to go > through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but I don't > see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" project > elsewhere. > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar > wrote: > >> Thats Great Site Darren. >> Lets give new life to Shindig. >> >> I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig. >> >> Regards, Raj >> >> On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond wrote: >> >> > Hi Raj, >> > >> > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com >> > >> > Happy to share some experiences too. >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > >> > Darren >> > >> > - Reply message - >> > From: "Raj Janorkar" > >> > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" > > > >> > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org " > > > >> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project >> > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM >> > >> > Just to let you know >> > >> > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn >> > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com >> > >> > I can definitely share some working examples. >> > >> > Cheers. >> > >> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos < >> > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote: >> > >> > > Hi Raj, >> > > >> > > well I guess this makes 2 of us! Let's wait for what others have to >> say >> > > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives. >> > > >> > > Cheers >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar > > > >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > >> Hi Chris, >> > >> i am ready. >> > >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but >> > couldn't >> > >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website. >> > >> >> > >> This time i can help creating few html pages. >> > >> >> > >> Regards, >> > >> Raj >> > >> >> > >> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos < >> > >> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > >> > >> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so >> > far, I >> > >> > have come down to the following conclusion. >> > >> > >> > >> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in the >> > >> shadows >> > >> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating, >> > >> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company >> like >> > >> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project >> for >> > a >> > >> > number of years now). >> > >> > >> > >> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened >> with >> > >> many >> > >> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of >> time >> > >> and >> > >> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if >> > >> things >> > >> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is >> > that >> > >> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no >> > big >> > >> > name is really interested any more. >> > >> &g
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Hi Guys, It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project! I still need to go through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but I don't see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" project elsewhere. On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar wrote: > Thats Great Site Darren. > Lets give new life to Shindig. > > I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig. > > Regards, Raj > > On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond wrote: > > > Hi Raj, > > > > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com > > > > Happy to share some experiences too. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Darren > > > > - Reply message - > > From: "Raj Janorkar" > > > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" > > > > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org " > > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM > > > > Just to let you know > > > > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn > > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com > > > > I can definitely share some working examples. > > > > Cheers. > > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos < > > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > Hi Raj, > > > > > > well I guess this makes 2 of us! Let's wait for what others have to > say > > > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Chris, > > >> i am ready. > > >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but > > couldn't > > >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website. > > >> > > >> This time i can help creating few html pages. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> Raj > > >> > > >> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos < > > >> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi all, > > >> > > > >> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so > > far, I > > >> > have come down to the following conclusion. > > >> > > > >> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in the > > >> shadows > > >> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating, > > >> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company > like > > >> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project > for > > a > > >> > number of years now). > > >> > > > >> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened > with > > >> many > > >> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of > time > > >> and > > >> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if > > >> things > > >> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is > > that > > >> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no > > big > > >> > name is really interested any more. > > >> > > > >> > During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt > the > > >> > technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve > > >> their > > >> > purposes. And this is exactly where we stand at the moment. I can > > >> totally > > >> > understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the > same > > >> time > > >> > I get Ryan's point of view. So how do we handle this situation? > > >> Speaking > > >> > for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a > > >> country > > >> > that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is > > that > > >> a > > >> > crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better > > tomorrow. > > >> > And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way > > of > > >> > course :) > > >> > > > >> > I think that now is the right
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Thats Great Site Darren. Lets give new life to Shindig. I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig. Regards, Raj On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond wrote: > Hi Raj, > > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com > > Happy to share some experiences too. > > Kind regards, > > Darren > > - Reply message - > From: "Raj Janorkar" > > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" > > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org " > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM > > Just to let you know > > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com > > I can definitely share some working examples. > > Cheers. > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos < > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > Hi Raj, > > > > well I guess this makes 2 of us! Let's wait for what others have to say > > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives. > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar > > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Chris, > >> i am ready. > >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but > couldn't > >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website. > >> > >> This time i can help creating few html pages. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Raj > >> > >> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos < > >> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so > far, I > >> > have come down to the following conclusion. > >> > > >> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in the > >> shadows > >> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating, > >> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company like > >> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project for > a > >> > number of years now). > >> > > >> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened with > >> many > >> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of time > >> and > >> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if > >> things > >> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is > that > >> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no > big > >> > name is really interested any more. > >> > > >> > During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt the > >> > technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve > >> their > >> > purposes. And this is exactly where we stand at the moment. I can > >> totally > >> > understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the same > >> time > >> > I get Ryan's point of view. So how do we handle this situation? > >> Speaking > >> > for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a > >> country > >> > that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is > that > >> a > >> > crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better > tomorrow. > >> > And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way > of > >> > course :) > >> > > >> > I think that now is the right time to make a change. Things have > >> changed > >> > in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and > >> > communities. Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the place > >> to be > >> > but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't mean > >> that > >> > the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies. But all > the > >> > action now is over at GitHub. > >> > > >> > So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's > >> perspective) > >> > that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals: > >> > > >> >- We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct > parts - > >> >personally I've never used the OpenSo
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Hi Raj, We did the same and produced www.blueg.com Happy to share some experiences too. Kind regards, Darren - Reply message - From: "Raj Janorkar" To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org" Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM Just to let you know I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com I can definitely share some working examples. Cheers. On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos < chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Raj, > > well I guess this makes 2 of us! Let's wait for what others have to say > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives. > > Cheers > > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar > wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> i am ready. >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but couldn't >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website. >> >> This time i can help creating few html pages. >> >> Regards, >> Raj >> >> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos < >> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so far, I >> > have come down to the following conclusion. >> > >> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in the >> shadows >> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating, >> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company like >> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project for a >> > number of years now). >> > >> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened with >> many >> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of time >> and >> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if >> things >> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is that >> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no big >> > name is really interested any more. >> > >> > During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt the >> > technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve >> their >> > purposes. And this is exactly where we stand at the moment. I can >> totally >> > understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the same >> time >> > I get Ryan's point of view. So how do we handle this situation? >> Speaking >> > for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a >> country >> > that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is that >> a >> > crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better tomorrow. >> > And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way of >> > course :) >> > >> > I think that now is the right time to make a change. Things have >> changed >> > in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and >> > communities. Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the place >> to be >> > but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't mean >> that >> > the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies. But all the >> > action now is over at GitHub. >> > >> > So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's >> perspective) >> > that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals: >> > >> >- We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct parts - >> >personally I've never used the OpenSocial features and have no >> interest >> > in >> >them since I'm heavily focused on the gadget containment and >> rendering >> >facilities. But there are people like Rene who have invested a lot >> of >> > time >> >and work on extending the OpenSocial features. >> >- We give it a brand new name - never liked the name Shindig in the >> >first place (speaking for myself once more). I think that this is >> very >> >important since we want to make a bold statement to communities that >> > this >> >technology is active, we're using it and others should try it out >> > because >> >it may solve them a num
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> > > > > you should be able to continue to use it as is. >> > > > > >> > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato < >> > > > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com > >> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad >> to >> > > hear >> > > > > of >> > > > > > the demise of what >> > > > > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature >> project. >> > For >> > > > the >> > > > > > past nine months I have >> > > > > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and >> > > > industry >> > > > > > delivery platforms of the >> > > > > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a >> > > > Liferay/Shindig >> > > > > > based site. Over the >> > > > > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently >> > > > awaiting >> > > > > > the next project >> > > > > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management >> team >> > and >> > > > > tell >> > > > > > them that the >> > > > > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat >> > embarrassing, >> > > > and >> > > > > we >> > > > > > will likewise now >> > > > > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead >> designer >> > I >> > > > have >> > > > > > been quite happy >> > > > > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had >> looked >> > > > forward >> > > > > > to a robust >> > > > > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service >> > with >> > > a >> > > > > > shiny new Gadget-based >> > > > > > solution. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, >> very >> > > sorry >> > > > > to >> > > > > > hear about it being >> > > > > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev >> side >> > at >> > > > > > Apache but we were actively >> > > > > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our >> online >> > > > > weather >> > > > > > delivery solution. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Ichiro >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter < >> rbaxte...@apache.org >> > > >> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has >> voted >> > to >> > > > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I >> have >> > > > already >> > > > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months >> > > board >> > > > > > report >> > > > > > > (below). >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in >> > > > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past >> months >> > > and >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This >> can >> > > > > > certainly >> > > > > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be >> > sure >> > > to >> > > > > > keep >> > > > > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. >> > > > Thanks. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -Ryan >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [1] >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -- Forwarded message - >> > > > > > > From: Ryan Baxter > >> > > > > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM >> > > > > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project >> > > > > > > To: bo...@apache.org > > > >> > > > > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org < >> > priv...@shindig.apache.org > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache >> > > DirectMemory >> > > > > > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to >> the >> > > > > > > Attic; and >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best >> > > > > > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig >> project >> > > > > > > due to inactivity; >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig >> > > > > > > project is hereby terminated; and be it further >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with >> > > > > > > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig >> > > > > > > Project; and be it further >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" >> is >> > > > > > > hereby terminated; and be it further >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Chris Spiliotopoulos >> > >> > Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn >> > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter >> > <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> >> > >> > > > > -- > Chris Spiliotopoulos > > Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter > <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> > >
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g cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team > > and > > > > > tell > > > > > > them that the > > > > > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat > > embarrassing, > > > > and > > > > > we > > > > > > will likewise now > > > > > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead > designer > > I > > > > have > > > > > > been quite happy > > > > > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked > > > > forward > > > > > > to a robust > > > > > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service > > with > > > a > > > > > > shiny new Gadget-based > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very > > > sorry > > > > > to > > > > > > hear about it being > > > > > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev > side > > at > > > > > > Apache but we were actively > > > > > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our > online > > > > > weather > > > > > > delivery solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ichiro > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter < > rbaxte...@apache.org > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted > > to > > > > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have > > > > already > > > > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months > > > board > > > > > > report > > > > > > > (below). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > > > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past > months > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This > can > > > > > > certainly > > > > > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be > > sure > > > to > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Ryan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Forwarded message - > > > > > > > From: Ryan Baxter > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > > > > > > To: bo...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org < > > priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache > > > DirectMemory > > > > > > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to > the > > > > > > > Attic; and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best > > > > > > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig > project > > > > > > > due to inactivity; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig > > > > > > > project is hereby terminated; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with > > > > > > > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig > > > > > > > Project; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" > is > > > > > > > hereby terminated; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Chris Spiliotopoulos > > > > Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn > > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter > > <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> > > > -- Chris Spiliotopoulos Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect>
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he next phase without getting into any sort of credibility issues > regarding our choices? +1 from me. > > Kind regards, > Chris > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Ryan Baxter > wrote: > > > I completely understand. I can't speak to the continued support of > vendors > > who have adopted Shindig, but I would imagine that they can't just stop > > supporting the products consuming Shindig. I am sorry that this puts you > > in a tough position but this is a natural cycle of open source software. > > With no community willing to support and enhance the project there is not > > much we can do. If someone takes the code and the project regains life > > somewhere else, that is great. > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:22 PM Ichiro Furusato < > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > > > While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and > > architects > > > and > > > advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery if the > > > project has > > > folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate legacy > > portals > > > (that > > > have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as replacements) > using > > > Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social Gadgets. > > > With > > > the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded Shindig > will > > > likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its use. > > > > > > It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of the > > > project. If the > > > project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of dollars > of > > > online > > > delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for that > > > decision > > > I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its use at > > this > > > stage. > > > > > > Sadly. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Ichiro > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter > wrote: > > > > > > > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you > > > can't > > > > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for > you > > > than > > > > you should be able to continue to use it as is. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato < > > > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to > > hear > > > > of > > > > > the demise of what > > > > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. > For > > > the > > > > > past nine months I have > > > > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and > > > industry > > > > > delivery platforms of the > > > > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a > > > Liferay/Shindig > > > > > based site. Over the > > > > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently > > > awaiting > > > > > the next project > > > > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team > and > > > > tell > > > > > them that the > > > > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat > embarrassing, > > > and > > > > we > > > > > will likewise now > > > > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer > I > > > have > > > > > been quite happy > > > > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked > > > forward > > > > > to a robust > > > > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service > with > > a > > > > > shiny new Gadget-based > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very > > sorry > > > > to > > > > > hear about it being > > > > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side > at > > > > > Apache but we were actively > > > > > using, and planning to use it for a su
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:22 PM Ichiro Furusato > wrote: > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and > architects > > and > > advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery if the > > project has > > folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate legacy > portals > > (that > > have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as replacements) using > > Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social Gadgets. > > With > > the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded Shindig will > > likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its use. > > > > It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of the > > project. If the > > project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of dollars of > > online > > delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for that > > decision > > I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its use at > this > > stage. > > > > Sadly. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ichiro > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > > > > > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you > > can't > > > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for you > > than > > > you should be able to continue to use it as is. > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato < > > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to > hear > > > of > > > > the demise of what > > > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For > > the > > > > past nine months I have > > > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and > > industry > > > > delivery platforms of the > > > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a > > Liferay/Shindig > > > > based site. Over the > > > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently > > awaiting > > > > the next project > > > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and > > > tell > > > > them that the > > > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, > > and > > > we > > > > will likewise now > > > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I > > have > > > > been quite happy > > > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked > > forward > > > > to a robust > > > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with > a > > > > shiny new Gadget-based > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very > sorry > > > to > > > > hear about it being > > > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at > > > > Apache but we were actively > > > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online > > > weather > > > > delivery solution. > > > > > > > > Ichiro > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have > > already > > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months > board > > > > report > > > > > (below). > > > > > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months > and > > > the > > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > > > > certainly > > > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > > > > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure > to > > > > keep > > > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the att
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
I completely understand. I can't speak to the continued support of vendors who have adopted Shindig, but I would imagine that they can't just stop supporting the products consuming Shindig. I am sorry that this puts you in a tough position but this is a natural cycle of open source software. With no community willing to support and enhance the project there is not much we can do. If someone takes the code and the project regains life somewhere else, that is great. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:22 PM Ichiro Furusato wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and architects > and > advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery if the > project has > folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate legacy portals > (that > have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as replacements) using > Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social Gadgets. > With > the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded Shindig will > likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its use. > > It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of the > project. If the > project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of dollars of > online > delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for that > decision > I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its use at this > stage. > > Sadly. > > Cheers, > > Ichiro > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > > > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you > can't > > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for you > than > > you should be able to continue to use it as is. > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato < > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear > > of > > > the demise of what > > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For > the > > > past nine months I have > > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and > industry > > > delivery platforms of the > > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a > Liferay/Shindig > > > based site. Over the > > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently > awaiting > > > the next project > > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and > > tell > > > them that the > > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, > and > > we > > > will likewise now > > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I > have > > > been quite happy > > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked > forward > > > to a robust > > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a > > > shiny new Gadget-based > > > solution. > > > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry > > to > > > hear about it being > > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at > > > Apache but we were actively > > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online > > weather > > > delivery solution. > > > > > > Ichiro > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have > already > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board > > > report > > > > (below). > > > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and > > the > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > > > certainly > > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to > > > keep > > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. > Thanks. > > > > > > > > -Ryan > > > > > > &
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Very sad. Such a beautiful product is going away. Does this mean social gadget concept is going to die or already dead. So many organisation currently using it. I think Ryan it will be good idea to move it to github, apache trunk sucks (sorry), developer choice is github. may be shindig will get new life there. (the problem is many people dont know what is shindig, it is limited to implementer like google, atlasian etc. mostly these organisation take copy of shindig and enhance it to their needs and keep it with them.) I think it's all because google terminated igoogle, microsoft terminated my.msn, and all mobile apps everywhere. Not sure whats going to happen in this space. I am also worried about Apache RAVE. Now there is nothing social there, i need to visit individual sites. God knows when history will repeat itself. On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Ichiro Furusato wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and architects > and > advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery if the > project has > folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate legacy portals > (that > have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as replacements) using > Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social Gadgets. > With > the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded Shindig will > likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its use. > > It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of the > project. If the > project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of dollars of > online > delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for that > decision > I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its use at this > stage. > > Sadly. > > Cheers, > > Ichiro > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > > > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you > can't > > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for you > than > > you should be able to continue to use it as is. > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato < > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear > > of > > > the demise of what > > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For > the > > > past nine months I have > > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and > industry > > > delivery platforms of the > > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a > Liferay/Shindig > > > based site. Over the > > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently > awaiting > > > the next project > > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and > > tell > > > them that the > > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, > and > > we > > > will likewise now > > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I > have > > > been quite happy > > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked > forward > > > to a robust > > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a > > > shiny new Gadget-based > > > solution. > > > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry > > to > > > hear about it being > > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at > > > Apache but we were actively > > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online > > weather > > > delivery solution. > > > > > > Ichiro > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have > already > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board > > > report > > > > (below). > > > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and > > the > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > > > certainly &
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Hi Ryan, While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and architects and advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery if the project has folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate legacy portals (that have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as replacements) using Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social Gadgets. With the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded Shindig will likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its use. It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of the project. If the project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of dollars of online delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for that decision I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its use at this stage. Sadly. Cheers, Ichiro On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you can't > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for you than > you should be able to continue to use it as is. > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato > wrote: > > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear > of > > the demise of what > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For the > > past nine months I have > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry > > delivery platforms of the > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a Liferay/Shindig > > based site. Over the > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting > > the next project > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and > tell > > them that the > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, and > we > > will likewise now > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I have > > been quite happy > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked forward > > to a robust > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a > > shiny new Gadget-based > > solution. > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry > to > > hear about it being > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at > > Apache but we were actively > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online > weather > > delivery solution. > > > > Ichiro > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter > wrote: > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board > > report > > > (below). > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and > the > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > > certainly > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to > > keep > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. > > > > > > -Ryan > > > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > > > > > -- Forwarded message - > > > From: Ryan Baxter > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > > To: bo...@apache.org > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory > > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the > > > Attic; and > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best > > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project > > > due to inactivity; > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig > > > project is hereby terminated; and be it further > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with > > > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig > > > Project; and be it further > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is > > > hereby terminated; and be it further > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. > > > > > >
AW: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Dear Shindig community we have a project which leverages Shindig to store activities from several connected information systems (Liferay Portal, Nuxeo DMS, OX Groupware, Camunda BPM). We have further more developed a neo4j-based backend (http://neo4j.com/) to make Shindig more responsive and scalable, as well as added some functionality like friend suggestions. We will publish all of that in the near future on github as a backwards compatible fork of Shindig. The neo4j backend and some Shindig enhancements are already there (https://github.com/iisys-hof). I'm furthermore a member of the W3C working group Social Web (https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg) and interested in extending Shindig to conform to the upcoming standards developed there. However, we are a research lab and cannot provide commercial support nor develop features on request without funding. We might be willing to fix bugs, if they are relevant in our setting as well. Still I'm quite optimistic to find ways to contribute to this github project in the future, once there is no entry hurdle any more. Regards René -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Darren Bond [mailto:db...@globalcad.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. November 2015 15:44 An: dev@shindig.apache.org Betreff: Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project Dear All, I'd like to second Ron's query relating to support. Our team successfully integrated Shindig some time ago but their skill-set does not extend to maintaining/extending (Java) Shindig itself. Would be interested to hear from anyone interested in doing so and/or supporting the project under GitHub or some other repository as permitted. Kind regards, Darren From: "Ron Wheeler" Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 2:35 PM To: dev@shindig.apache.org Subject: Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project Is the inactivity due to absence of bugs and no suggestions for enhancements or no interest in fixing bugs or adding missing features? If an organization still wanted to use it but wanted support, are there individuals willing and able to provide support on a commercial basis? What are the other projects and products that depend on Shindig doing in light of the cessation of development? Ron On 04/11/2015 9:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you can't > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for you than > you should be able to continue to use it as is. > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato > wrote: > >> To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to >> hear of >> the demise of what >> seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For the >> past nine months I have >> advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry >> delivery platforms of the >> Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a Liferay/Shindig >> based site. Over the >> past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting >> the next project >> funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and tell >> them that the >> basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, >> and we >> will likewise now >> need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I have >> been quite happy >> with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked forward >> to a robust >> implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with >> a shiny new Gadget-based solution. >> >> Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very >> sorry to >> hear about it being >> put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at >> Apache but we were actively using, and planning to use it for a >> substantial part of our online weather >> delivery solution. >> >> Ichiro >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: >> >>> Hi fellow Shindig Devs, >>> >>> I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to >>> terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already >>> informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board >> report >>> (below). >>> >>> As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in >>> participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the >>> downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can >> certainly >>> be seen in our reports to the board [1]. >>> >>> If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure &g
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Dear All, I'd like to second Ron's query relating to support. Our team successfully integrated Shindig some time ago but their skill-set does not extend to maintaining/extending (Java) Shindig itself. Would be interested to hear from anyone interested in doing so and/or supporting the project under GitHub or some other repository as permitted. Kind regards, Darren From: "Ron Wheeler" Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 2:35 PM To: dev@shindig.apache.org Subject: Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project Is the inactivity due to absence of bugs and no suggestions for enhancements or no interest in fixing bugs or adding missing features? If an organization still wanted to use it but wanted support, are there individuals willing and able to provide support on a commercial basis? What are the other projects and products that depend on Shindig doing in light of the cessation of development? Ron On 04/11/2015 9:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you can't > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for you than > you should be able to continue to use it as is. > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato > wrote: > >> To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear of >> the demise of what >> seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For the >> past nine months I have >> advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry >> delivery platforms of the >> Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a Liferay/Shindig >> based site. Over the >> past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting >> the next project >> funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and tell >> them that the >> basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, and we >> will likewise now >> need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I have >> been quite happy >> with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked forward >> to a robust >> implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a >> shiny new Gadget-based >> solution. >> >> Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry to >> hear about it being >> put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at >> Apache but we were actively >> using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online weather >> delivery solution. >> >> Ichiro >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: >> >>> Hi fellow Shindig Devs, >>> >>> I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to >>> terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already >>> informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board >> report >>> (below). >>> >>> As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in >>> participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the >>> downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can >> certainly >>> be seen in our reports to the board [1]. >>> >>> If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to >> keep >>> everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. >>> >>> -Ryan >>> >>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports >>> >>> -- Forwarded message - >>> From: Ryan Baxter >>> Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM >>> Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project >>> To: bo...@apache.org >>> Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org >>> >>> >>> WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory >>> project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the >>> Attic; and >>> >>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best >>> interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project >>> due to inactivity; >>> >>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig >>> project is hereby terminated; and be it further >>> >>> RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with >>> oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig >>> Project; and be it further >>> >>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is >>> hereby terminated; and be it further >>> >>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. >>> -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Ron, IMO the termination of the project is due to a lack of activity around fixing bugs, making enhancements, and the termination of the OpenSocial organization as well. Most people, including myself, have moved on to other projects and are no longer actively working in the OpenSocial/gadget space. On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:28 AM Ron Wheeler wrote: > Is the inactivity due to absence of bugs and no suggestions for > enhancements or no interest in fixing bugs or adding missing features? > > If an organization still wanted to use it but wanted support, are there > individuals willing and able to provide support on a commercial basis? > > What are the other projects and products that depend on Shindig doing in > light of the cessation of development? > > Ron > > On 04/11/2015 9:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you > can't > > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for you > than > > you should be able to continue to use it as is. > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato < > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear > of > >> the demise of what > >> seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For > the > >> past nine months I have > >> advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry > >> delivery platforms of the > >> Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a > Liferay/Shindig > >> based site. Over the > >> past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting > >> the next project > >> funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and > tell > >> them that the > >> basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, > and we > >> will likewise now > >> need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I > have > >> been quite happy > >> with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked > forward > >> to a robust > >> implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a > >> shiny new Gadget-based > >> solution. > >> > >> Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry > to > >> hear about it being > >> put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at > >> Apache but we were actively > >> using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online > weather > >> delivery solution. > >> > >> Ichiro > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > >>> > >>> I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > >>> terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already > >>> informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board > >> report > >>> (below). > >>> > >>> As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > >>> participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and > the > >>> downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > >> certainly > >>> be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > >>> > >>> If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to > >> keep > >>> everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. > >>> > >>> -Ryan > >>> > >>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > >>> > >>> -- Forwarded message - > >>> From: Ryan Baxter > >>> Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > >>> Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > >>> To: bo...@apache.org > >>> Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org > >>> > >>> > >>> WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory > >>> project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the > >>> Attic; and > >>> > >>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best > >>> interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project > >>> due to inactivity; > >>> > >>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig > >>> project is hereby terminated; and be it further > >>> > >>> RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with > >>> oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig > >>> Project; and be it further > >>> > >>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is > >>> hereby terminated; and be it further > >>> > >>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. > >>> > > > -- > Ron Wheeler > President > Artifact Software Inc > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com > skype: ronaldmwheeler > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 > >
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Is the inactivity due to absence of bugs and no suggestions for enhancements or no interest in fixing bugs or adding missing features? If an organization still wanted to use it but wanted support, are there individuals willing and able to provide support on a commercial basis? What are the other projects and products that depend on Shindig doing in light of the cessation of development? Ron On 04/11/2015 9:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you can't continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for you than you should be able to continue to use it as is. On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato wrote: To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear of the demise of what seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For the past nine months I have advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry delivery platforms of the Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a Liferay/Shindig based site. Over the past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting the next project funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and tell them that the basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, and we will likewise now need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I have been quite happy with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked forward to a robust implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a shiny new Gadget-based solution. Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry to hear about it being put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at Apache but we were actively using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online weather delivery solution. Ichiro On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: Hi fellow Shindig Devs, I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board report (below). As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can certainly be seen in our reports to the board [1]. If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to keep everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. -Ryan [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports -- Forwarded message - From: Ryan Baxter Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project To: bo...@apache.org Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the Attic; and WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project due to inactivity; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig project is hereby terminated; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is hereby terminated; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you can't continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for you than you should be able to continue to use it as is. On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato wrote: > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear of > the demise of what > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For the > past nine months I have > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry > delivery platforms of the > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a Liferay/Shindig > based site. Over the > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting > the next project > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and tell > them that the > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, and we > will likewise now > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I have > been quite happy > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked forward > to a robust > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a > shiny new Gadget-based > solution. > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry to > hear about it being > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at > Apache but we were actively > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online weather > delivery solution. > > Ichiro > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board > report > > (below). > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > certainly > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to > keep > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. > > > > -Ryan > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > > > -- Forwarded message - > > From: Ryan Baxter > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > To: bo...@apache.org > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the > > Attic; and > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project > > due to inactivity; > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig > > project is hereby terminated; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with > > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig > > Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is > > hereby terminated; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. > > >
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear of the demise of what seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For the past nine months I have advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry delivery platforms of the Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a Liferay/Shindig based site. Over the past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting the next project funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and tell them that the basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, and we will likewise now need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I have been quite happy with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked forward to a robust implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a shiny new Gadget-based solution. Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry to hear about it being put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at Apache but we were actively using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online weather delivery solution. Ichiro On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board report > (below). > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can certainly > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to keep > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. > > -Ryan > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ryan Baxter > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > To: bo...@apache.org > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the > Attic; and > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project > due to inactivity; > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig > project is hereby terminated; and be it further > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig > Project; and be it further > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is > hereby terminated; and be it further > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. >
Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
However I for one would be stepping down as the PMC chair as I >> > just dont have the time to revamp and drive the project forward anymore. >> > If there is enough interest than the question becomes does Shindig remain >> > an Apache project or something outside of the foundation itself. (We can >> > move the code to GitHub by the way even as an Apache project). I guess >> > that would be up to the people who want to keep the project going. >> > >> > > >> > > Lack of development activity doesn't necessarily mean lack of interest >> or >> > > potential. In Shindig's case this is a good thing because we have a >> > stable >> > > framework in our hands. But most of the people in the tech business >> > > doesn't know such a thing exists. And I'm sure that this is not >> > > irreversible. >> > > >> > > Kind regards, >> > > Chris >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Raj Janorkar >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi Ryan, >> > > > >> > > > This is really sad news. >> > > > I am really thankful of your and dev team support you all helped me >> > lot. >> > > > >> > > > As Darren Said Shindig is very much stable and i dont see any isues >> at >> > > the >> > > > moment. >> > > > >> > > > Just one thing i can see so many bug fixed since last release. So >> will >> > > > there be final release Ryan? If you can that would be great and may >> be >> > > your >> > > > last favour to all of us and your loved baby Shindig. >> > > > >> > > > I dont see any future of apache rave either, people are so busy >> > switching >> > > > between millions of apps on their iphone. so no gadgets based sites >> are >> > > > their interest But history repeats itself. >> > > > >> > > > lets see what comes next. >> > > > >> > > > Thank you >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Thursday 8 October 2015, Darren Bond wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Dear All, >> > > > > >> > > > > This is very sad news indeed. Apache Shindig is at the core of >> > several >> > > of >> > > > > our very popular sites - we consider it a mature product that does >> > > > exactly >> > > > > what it should, and does it very well indeed. Perhaps that's partly >> > the >> > > > > reason for the lack of user support requests! >> > > > > >> > > > > You, the dev team, kindly helped us resolve a number of issues back >> > in >> > > > > 2014 and we've never looked back since - we love Apache Shindig! >> > > > > >> > > > > Thank you for all your commitment, love, sweat and tears developing >> > the >> > > > > project - we truly value what you have created and will continue >> its >> > > use >> > > > > well into the future. >> > > > > >> > > > > Kind regards, >> > > > > >> > > > > Darren >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -Original Message- >> > > > > From: Ryan Baxter [mailto:rbaxte...@apache.org ] >> > > > > Sent: 07 October 2015 19:32 >> > > > > To: dev@shindig.apache.org >> > > > > Subject: Fwd: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project >> > > > > >> > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, >> > > > > >> > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to >> > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have >> > already >> > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months >> board >> > > > report >> > > > > (below). >> > > > > >> > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in >> > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months >> and >> > > the >> > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can >> > > > certainly >> > > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. >> > > > > >> > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure >> to >> > > > keep >> > > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. >> > Thanks. >> > > > > >> > > > > -Ryan >> > > > > >> > > > > [1] >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports >> > > > > >> > > > > -- Forwarded message - >> > > > > From: Ryan Baxter > >> > > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM >> > > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project >> > > > > To: bo...@apache.org > > > >> > > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org < >> > > > priv...@shindig.apache.org >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache >> DirectMemory >> > > > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the >> > > Attic; >> > > > > and >> > > > > >> > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best >> > interest >> > > > of >> > > > > the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project due to >> > > inactivity; >> > > > > >> > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig project is >> > > hereby >> > > > > terminated; and be it further >> > > > > >> > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with oversight >> > > over >> > > > > the software developed by the Apache Shindig Project; and be it >> > further >> > > > > >> > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is >> > hereby >> > > > > terminated; and be it further >> > > > > >> > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Chris Spiliotopoulos >> > > >> > > Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn >> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter >> > > <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Spiliotopoulos >> >> Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn >> <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter >> <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> >>
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s, > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Raj Janorkar > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > > > > > This is really sad news. > > > > I am really thankful of your and dev team support you all helped me > > lot. > > > > > > > > As Darren Said Shindig is very much stable and i dont see any isues > at > > > the > > > > moment. > > > > > > > > Just one thing i can see so many bug fixed since last release. So > will > > > > there be final release Ryan? If you can that would be great and may > be > > > your > > > > last favour to all of us and your loved baby Shindig. > > > > > > > > I dont see any future of apache rave either, people are so busy > > switching > > > > between millions of apps on their iphone. so no gadgets based sites > are > > > > their interest But history repeats itself. > > > > > > > > lets see what comes next. > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 8 October 2015, Darren Bond wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > This is very sad news indeed. Apache Shindig is at the core of > > several > > > of > > > > > our very popular sites - we consider it a mature product that does > > > > exactly > > > > > what it should, and does it very well indeed. Perhaps that's partly > > the > > > > > reason for the lack of user support requests! > > > > > > > > > > You, the dev team, kindly helped us resolve a number of issues back > > in > > > > > 2014 and we've never looked back since - we love Apache Shindig! > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all your commitment, love, sweat and tears developing > > the > > > > > project - we truly value what you have created and will continue > its > > > use > > > > > well into the future. > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > Darren > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Ryan Baxter [mailto:rbaxte...@apache.org ] > > > > > Sent: 07 October 2015 19:32 > > > > > To: dev@shindig.apache.org > > > > > Subject: Fwd: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > > > > > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have > > already > > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months > board > > > > report > > > > > (below). > > > > > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months > and > > > the > > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > > > > certainly > > > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > > > > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure > to > > > > keep > > > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > -Ryan > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > > > > > > > > > -- Forwarded message - > > > > > From: Ryan Baxter > > > > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > > > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > > > > To: bo...@apache.org > > > > > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org < > > > > priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache > DirectMemory > > > > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the > > > Attic; > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best > > interest > > > > of > > > > > the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project due to > > > inactivity; > > > > > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig project is > > > hereby > > > > > terminated; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with oversight > > > over > > > > > the software developed by the Apache Shindig Project; and be it > > further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is > > hereby > > > > > terminated; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Chris Spiliotopoulos > > > > > > Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn > > > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter > > > <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> > > > > > > > > > -- > Chris Spiliotopoulos > > Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter > <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> >
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Dear Shindig Community, I'm also a bit sorry about the project closing, but also see it as a chance for something new. We tried to contribute code back to Shindig several times and never made it. Our last effort just got stuck in the review process with no arguments why it didn't make it into the main trunk (for over one year now). Our contributions are already published on Github. https://github.com/iisys-hof Once Shindig is officially buried, we will extend the code on Github, so that it is including a full Shindig with all our modifications so that anybody can clone, compile and run it. Currently it is a bit hard to put things from the Shindig repository and our Github repository together. That will be easier then. We didn't do a public fork yet, since we did not want to weaken the official project. I wish you all the very best and am also keen on seeing the first results from the W3C social web working group. Unfortunately, it seems it is again a rather closed "inner circle" of people. I applied for an invitation as an external "expert" (as they call it), got one inquiry, which I promptly answered and never heard anything about it since then (3 months ago). That is not my understanding of an open, community-driven process. Regards René -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Ryan Baxter [mailto:rbaxte...@apache.org] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Oktober 2015 15:08 An: dev@shindig.apache.org Betreff: Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project Hi Chris, thanks for the very thoughtful email. In general I agree with what you are saying. Some more comments inline. On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:54 AM Chris Spiliotopoulos < chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > instead of becoming emotional I prefer sharing some thoughts with > everyone in this thread. Well, to be honest I think that everyone > expected this to happen at some point. Of course not due to lack of > support from the dev team - this had always been superb - but rather > due to lack of awareness regarding this (IMHO) ground-breaking > technology and I'm referring to the gadgets side of things. > > I've been using gadgets for quite a few years and I've managed to > convince people about the benefits of having a fully decoupled system > with pluggable apps either in-house or 3rd party. Of course as I have > stated in the past this had always been a steep curve as very few > people are aware of this technology but in the end everybody would buy in > after seeing the results. > During these years I have managed to 'tame the beast' as resources had > always been scattered and very few and eventually was able to put it > to work for producing great dashboard apps and in the future (I hope) > marketplaces as well. > > My personal feeling is that most of the people using Shindig for a > long time now are here for its gadget rendering capabilities and the > potential it provides towards a fully decoupled architecture where app > devs can work independently from platform devs but eventually > everything can work together a a whole with minimum orchestration > efforts. This has been my personal experience so far anyways. Having > said that, I've always felt that the Shindig project had always been > to large / broad in functionality lacking clearly not dev but rather > promotional & awareness efforts. > > Another factor that always helped me rest assured in a way regarding > its usefulness and future is that major companies like Google, > Atlassian and others with very popular products have also been using > this technology as a core component of their infrastructure until now. > Although Google who open-sourced the tech seems that it progressively > deprecates some of their products who had major touch points with the > gadgets spec, still keeps it alive in products like Gmail, Google > apps, etc plus they have been hosting the official Gadgets API site > for a long time now. One of the puzzling questions though is why > these companies (apart from the IBM people who kept the project > running) were never openly involved with the promotion and support of > the tech in order to reach broader audiences through real-life use > cases? Correct me if I'm wrong but I've come to the conclusion that > these companies are maintaining probably ports of certain Shindig components > that have extended them in order to meet their requirements. > This is easy to speculate since reading the documentation of their > products shows clearly that there are extensions not supported by > Shindig out-of-the-box - once I had a chat with a guy working at Jive > at the time and he told me that they wrote their own security layer > around their gadget containers. &g
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these things called "web components" > that sounded like they would do something similar. I never really looked > into it though. I think gadgets are still the best choice when it comes to > allowing 3rd party apps to be integrated into a platform. > > > > It would be really interesting to get in touch with the aforementioned > > companies and ask them what are their plans regarding the infrastructure > > they have invested on for years. Will they be switching to something > new? > > Are they willing to port the project and maintain it under a different > > perspective? > > > There are certainly a number of companies that have consumed Shindig and > used it in well established products that won't be going away any time > soon. Some have chosen to fork the code base, others have not. And you > are right most that have consumed the technology rarely promote it or drive > features back into it. When I worked on the team using Shindig in IBM (I > don't any longer) we made a very conscious effort to not fork the code base > and drive whatever fixes and features we needed through the open source > project. Hence we also spend some time promoting the open source project > as well. However for the past year or so IBM has slowed down its effort in > Shindig and since I no longer work on the team I can't really speak to what > the future holds. > > > > > Having said all that my personal belief is that gadget technology > deserves > > a better luck through proper communication and reach to broader developer > > audiences. The only way I can see that happening is through a > > modernization / revamp process of marketing / reference / tutorial > material > > and transfer to a more popular collaboration environment like GitHub. My > > personal experience for doing this sort of thing last year through the > > standard Apache process led to a dead-end - I have nothing against formal > > processes, but when things are more about bureaucracy and old-school > stuff > > rather than moving forward to the present then I start to lose interest. > > On the other hand, if a bunch of us decided to do something very simple > as > > creating a Jekyll site on GitHub with a few tutorials and a number of > > ready-to-use artifacts making use of new age techs like Docker containers > > to start sharing our experiences then we would have more success I guess > > reaching out to younger developers and diverse audiences. Most of us are > > already doing this for our companies, why not share the foundation work > > with others and start building a community? > > > We have not officially terminated the project yet, the board will not meet > until the 21st. If there is enough interest from the community Shindig can > live on. However I for one would be stepping down as the PMC chair as I > just dont have the time to revamp and drive the project forward anymore. > If there is enough interest than the question becomes does Shindig remain > an Apache project or something outside of the foundation itself. (We can > move the code to GitHub by the way even as an Apache project). I guess > that would be up to the people who want to keep the project going. > > > > > Lack of development activity doesn't necessarily mean lack of interest or > > potential. In Shindig's case this is a good thing because we have a > stable > > framework in our hands. But most of the people in the tech business > > doesn't know such a thing exists. And I'm sure that this is not > > irreversible. > > > > Kind regards, > > Chris > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Raj Janorkar > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > > > This is really sad news. > > > I am really thankful of your and dev team support you all helped me > lot. > > > > > > As Darren Said Shindig is very much stable and i dont see any isues at > > the > > > moment. > > > > > > Just one thing i can see so many bug fixed since last release. So will > > > there be final release Ryan? If you can that would be great and may be > > your > > > last favour to all of us and your loved baby Shindig. > > > > > > I dont see any future of apache rave either, people are so busy > switching > > > between millions of apps on their iphone. so no gadgets based sites are > > > their interest But history repeats itself. > > > > > > lets see what comes next. > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 8 October 2015,
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> There are certainly a number of companies that have consumed Shindig and used it in well established products that won't be going away any time soon. Some have chosen to fork the code base, others have not. And you are right most that have consumed the technology rarely promote it or drive features back into it. When I worked on the team using Shindig in IBM (I don't any longer) we made a very conscious effort to not fork the code base and drive whatever fixes and features we needed through the open source project. Hence we also spend some time promoting the open source project as well. However for the past year or so IBM has slowed down its effort in Shindig and since I no longer work on the team I can't really speak to what the future holds. > > Having said all that my personal belief is that gadget technology deserves > a better luck through proper communication and reach to broader developer > audiences. The only way I can see that happening is through a > modernization / revamp process of marketing / reference / tutorial material > and transfer to a more popular collaboration environment like GitHub. My > personal experience for doing this sort of thing last year through the > standard Apache process led to a dead-end - I have nothing against formal > processes, but when things are more about bureaucracy and old-school stuff > rather than moving forward to the present then I start to lose interest. > On the other hand, if a bunch of us decided to do something very simple as > creating a Jekyll site on GitHub with a few tutorials and a number of > ready-to-use artifacts making use of new age techs like Docker containers > to start sharing our experiences then we would have more success I guess > reaching out to younger developers and diverse audiences. Most of us are > already doing this for our companies, why not share the foundation work > with others and start building a community? > We have not officially terminated the project yet, the board will not meet until the 21st. If there is enough interest from the community Shindig can live on. However I for one would be stepping down as the PMC chair as I just dont have the time to revamp and drive the project forward anymore. If there is enough interest than the question becomes does Shindig remain an Apache project or something outside of the foundation itself. (We can move the code to GitHub by the way even as an Apache project). I guess that would be up to the people who want to keep the project going. > > Lack of development activity doesn't necessarily mean lack of interest or > potential. In Shindig's case this is a good thing because we have a stable > framework in our hands. But most of the people in the tech business > doesn't know such a thing exists. And I'm sure that this is not > irreversible. > > Kind regards, > Chris > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Raj Janorkar > wrote: > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > This is really sad news. > > I am really thankful of your and dev team support you all helped me lot. > > > > As Darren Said Shindig is very much stable and i dont see any isues at > the > > moment. > > > > Just one thing i can see so many bug fixed since last release. So will > > there be final release Ryan? If you can that would be great and may be > your > > last favour to all of us and your loved baby Shindig. > > > > I dont see any future of apache rave either, people are so busy switching > > between millions of apps on their iphone. so no gadgets based sites are > > their interest But history repeats itself. > > > > lets see what comes next. > > > > Thank you > > > > > > On Thursday 8 October 2015, Darren Bond wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > This is very sad news indeed. Apache Shindig is at the core of several > of > > > our very popular sites - we consider it a mature product that does > > exactly > > > what it should, and does it very well indeed. Perhaps that's partly the > > > reason for the lack of user support requests! > > > > > > You, the dev team, kindly helped us resolve a number of issues back in > > > 2014 and we've never looked back since - we love Apache Shindig! > > > > > > Thank you for all your commitment, love, sweat and tears developing the > > > project - we truly value what you have created and will continue its > use > > > well into the future. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Darren > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ryan Baxter [mailto:rbaxte...@apache.org ] > > > Se
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ould have more success I guess reaching out to younger developers and diverse audiences. Most of us are already doing this for our companies, why not share the foundation work with others and start building a community? Lack of development activity doesn't necessarily mean lack of interest or potential. In Shindig's case this is a good thing because we have a stable framework in our hands. But most of the people in the tech business doesn't know such a thing exists. And I'm sure that this is not irreversible. Kind regards, Chris On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Raj Janorkar wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > This is really sad news. > I am really thankful of your and dev team support you all helped me lot. > > As Darren Said Shindig is very much stable and i dont see any isues at the > moment. > > Just one thing i can see so many bug fixed since last release. So will > there be final release Ryan? If you can that would be great and may be your > last favour to all of us and your loved baby Shindig. > > I dont see any future of apache rave either, people are so busy switching > between millions of apps on their iphone. so no gadgets based sites are > their interest But history repeats itself. > > lets see what comes next. > > Thank you > > > On Thursday 8 October 2015, Darren Bond wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > This is very sad news indeed. Apache Shindig is at the core of several of > > our very popular sites - we consider it a mature product that does > exactly > > what it should, and does it very well indeed. Perhaps that's partly the > > reason for the lack of user support requests! > > > > You, the dev team, kindly helped us resolve a number of issues back in > > 2014 and we've never looked back since - we love Apache Shindig! > > > > Thank you for all your commitment, love, sweat and tears developing the > > project - we truly value what you have created and will continue its use > > well into the future. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Darren > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ryan Baxter [mailto:rbaxte...@apache.org ] > > Sent: 07 October 2015 19:32 > > To: dev@shindig.apache.org > > Subject: Fwd: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board > report > > (below). > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > certainly > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to > keep > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. > > > > -Ryan > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > > > -- Forwarded message - > > From: Ryan Baxter > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > To: bo...@apache.org > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org < > priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the Attic; > > and > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best interest > of > > the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project due to inactivity; > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig project is hereby > > terminated; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with oversight over > > the software developed by the Apache Shindig Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is hereby > > terminated; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. > > > > > > > -- Chris Spiliotopoulos Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect>
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Hi Ryan, This is really sad news. I am really thankful of your and dev team support you all helped me lot. As Darren Said Shindig is very much stable and i dont see any isues at the moment. Just one thing i can see so many bug fixed since last release. So will there be final release Ryan? If you can that would be great and may be your last favour to all of us and your loved baby Shindig. I dont see any future of apache rave either, people are so busy switching between millions of apps on their iphone. so no gadgets based sites are their interest But history repeats itself. lets see what comes next. Thank you On Thursday 8 October 2015, Darren Bond wrote: > Dear All, > > This is very sad news indeed. Apache Shindig is at the core of several of > our very popular sites - we consider it a mature product that does exactly > what it should, and does it very well indeed. Perhaps that's partly the > reason for the lack of user support requests! > > You, the dev team, kindly helped us resolve a number of issues back in > 2014 and we've never looked back since - we love Apache Shindig! > > Thank you for all your commitment, love, sweat and tears developing the > project - we truly value what you have created and will continue its use > well into the future. > > Kind regards, > > Darren > > > -Original Message- > From: Ryan Baxter [mailto:rbaxte...@apache.org ] > Sent: 07 October 2015 19:32 > To: dev@shindig.apache.org > Subject: Fwd: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board report > (below). > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can certainly > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to keep > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. > > -Ryan > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ryan Baxter > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > To: bo...@apache.org > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the Attic; > and > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best interest of > the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project due to inactivity; > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig project is hereby > terminated; and be it further > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with oversight over > the software developed by the Apache Shindig Project; and be it further > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is hereby > terminated; and be it further > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. > > >
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Dear All, This is very sad news indeed. Apache Shindig is at the core of several of our very popular sites - we consider it a mature product that does exactly what it should, and does it very well indeed. Perhaps that's partly the reason for the lack of user support requests! You, the dev team, kindly helped us resolve a number of issues back in 2014 and we've never looked back since - we love Apache Shindig! Thank you for all your commitment, love, sweat and tears developing the project - we truly value what you have created and will continue its use well into the future. Kind regards, Darren -Original Message- From: Ryan Baxter [mailto:rbaxte...@apache.org] Sent: 07 October 2015 19:32 To: dev@shindig.apache.org Subject: Fwd: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project Hi fellow Shindig Devs, I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board report (below). As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can certainly be seen in our reports to the board [1]. If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to keep everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. -Ryan [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports -- Forwarded message - From: Ryan Baxter Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project To: bo...@apache.org Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the Attic; and WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project due to inactivity; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig project is hereby terminated; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is hereby terminated; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.
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Doug, I share your sadness, it was fun while it lasted. We appreciate all your work! On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:56 PM Davies,Douglas wrote: > Super big frowny face. > > > On Oct 7, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board > report > > (below). > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can > certainly > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to > keep > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. > > > > -Ryan > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > > > -- Forwarded message - > > From: Ryan Baxter > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > > To: bo...@apache.org > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the > > Attic; and > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project > > due to inactivity; > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig > > project is hereby terminated; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with > > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig > > Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is > > hereby terminated; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. > >
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Super big frowny face. > On Oct 7, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Ryan Baxter wrote: > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board report > (below). > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can certainly > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to keep > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. > > -Ryan > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ryan Baxter > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project > To: bo...@apache.org > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the > Attic; and > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project > due to inactivity; > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig > project is hereby terminated; and be it further > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig > Project; and be it further > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is > hereby terminated; and be it further > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.
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Hi fellow Shindig Devs, I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I have already informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board report (below). As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This can certainly be seen in our reports to the board [1]. If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to keep everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. Thanks. -Ryan [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports -- Forwarded message - From: Ryan Baxter Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project To: bo...@apache.org Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the Attic; and WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project due to inactivity; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig project is hereby terminated; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is hereby terminated; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.
