Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
Yes this was unnecessary , there are already to many formats would have been better if apple incorporated FLAC in their products. But that's thinking beyond pride and short term profit . pipe dream : 1 lossy and 1 lossless format, with a tagging/metadata system endorsed and understood by both users a record companies a true music file standard. Everybody would benefit in the long run. This whole market is flawed by the lack of commitment by the actual content providers . The apple ecosystem can be seen as a proof of concept on one way to make a music market, but to closed for me. what if RIAA actually did their real work ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Live LIVE talk suggestions?
I sometimes enjoy latenight live talk radio. I particularly enjoy WBZ's Steve LeVeille Broadcast. I used to listen to Larry King's all night show and when I lived in Milwaukee I enjoyed a host by the name of Ira Fistell (not many may know that name) . I ask the members of this forum are there interesting all night live talk radio hosts that they would recommend? Preferably a local host rather than a syndicated one (coast to coast is interesting but I don't enjoy listening to ghost or paranormal talk). Thanks for any suggestions. -- Ikabob Ikabob Squeezebox Touch w/SBS; SAE Amplifier;Marantz Pre-amp;ESS Heil Speakers(main listening speakers plus various additional speakers). Multiple players: SqueezeBooms,SqueezeRadios; SB3; Services:Slacker;Sky.com; Spotify (Triode's Spotify plugin) Sirius.com; Ipeng remote controller. Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91187 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
Personally I think this is bad news. It is the thin end of a wedge that will see ALAC slowly surplant FLAC as the de-facto lossless codec of choice. I don't trust Apple's motives. Just because this particular release of their codec is now in the wild does not mean future versions will be. I predict that once Apple has rendered other lossless codecs obsolete, they will improve ALAC and keep it closed source, then extract lucrative licence fees from all the third parties who have followed the herd. This quote from the article has it completely backwards: If more people begin adopting ALAC instead of FLAC, it'll make life a lot easier for audiophiles. Rather than everyone else adding support for ALAC, wouldn't it just be easier for Apple to support FLAC? -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
cliveb;665817 Wrote: personally i think this is bad news. It is the thin end of a wedge that will see alac slowly surplant flac as the de-facto lossless codec of choice. I don't trust apple's motives. Just because this particular release of their codec is now in the wild does not mean future versions will be. I predict that once apple has rendered other lossless codecs obsolete, they will improve alac and keep it closed source, then extract lucrative licence fees from all the third parties who have followed the herd. This quote from the article has it completely backwards: Rather than everyone else adding support for alac, wouldn't it just be easier for apple to support flac? +++1 -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
erland;665703 Wrote: If I remember correctly, when the Transporter was first released, Slim Devices selected to not put their Slim Devices brand on the front instead they tried to start a new brand transporter, the main reason was probably that Slim Devices (and even more so Logitech) gives most audiophile's a low end feeling. Your memory is a little flawed. When the TP first came out, it did have a Slim Devices logo on the front. (Mine has one). It was only after Logitech bought out the company that the logo changed to transporter (almost certainly for the very reason you surmise - no audiophile would want a Logitech logo in their rack). Personally I think (and always thought) that Logitech was entirely the wrong company to buy out Slim Devices. They probably realised that streaming was a future growth area and snapped up a company that was available for (what is to them) petty cash. Sure, they probably did a bit of research and understood how the devices worked, but I get the feeling that nobody in Logitech understood the Slim Devices vision. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
cliveb;665819 Wrote: Sure, they probably did a bit of research and understood how the devices worked, but I get the feeling that nobody in Logitech understood the Slim Devices vision. I think that sums it up very well. Turns out that the 'slim' client-server approach used by Slim Devices was totally wrong for the consumer market. That's how we ended up with so much reliance on mysqueezebox.com, and with products marketed not for their ability to play your own music, but for their ability to play low audio quality service like Pandora and Rhapsody. -- JJZolx » » Download 'Squeezebox Server 7.5.6 r35834' (http://downloads.slimdevices.com/SqueezeboxServer_v7.5.6_unreleased/), the last nightly build of SBS 7.5. » JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
JJZolx;665822 Wrote: I think that sums it up quite well. Turns out that the 'slim' client-server approach used by Slim Devices was totally wrong for the consumer market. That's how we ended up with so much reliance on mysqueezebox.com, and with products marketed not for their ability to play your own music, but for their ability to play low audio quality service like Pandora and Rhapsody. I've mentioned a few times that I believe a 'Touch 2' with beefed up spec and ability to support plug and play USB stick/external HDD would be a lot easier to sell - not just as its easier to understand, it removes the server on a pc element and also quite a handy way of demo-ing in places like PC world. -- socistep socistep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18860 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
erland;665802 Wrote: The big advantage with ALAC from my perspective would be that suddenly I can use the same files both in Squeezebox and Apple ecosystem. YE. Finally. -- lucas72 'QNAP Club Italy' (www.qnapclub.it) - When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris. lucas72's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11288 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
JJZolx;665822 Wrote: I think that sums it up quite well. Turns out that the 'slim' client-server approach used by Slim Devices was totally wrong for the consumer market. That's how we ended up with so much reliance on mysqueezebox.com, and with products marketed not for their ability to play your own music, but for their ability to play low audio quality service like Pandora and Rhapsody. +1 It is a product for playing your own high quality files from your own server with the added ability to do other things ( I do like some of those other things ). That is why I bought it in the first place . And then they try to make the extras the main thing in marketing :confused: -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
cliveb;665817 Wrote: I don't trust Apple's motives. It depends what you think are those motives... cliveb;665817 Wrote: I predict that once Apple has rendered other lossless codecs obsolete, they will improve ALAC and keep it closed source, then extract lucrative licence fees from all the third parties who have followed the herd. This would be absurd, I don't have memory of Apple doing such a (self-defeating) move. cliveb;665817 Wrote: Rather than everyone else adding support for ALAC, wouldn't it just be easier for Apple to support FLAC? Of course not, why a company should force their customers to convert all their audio files?! Makes much more sense that new customers convert their FLAC files to enter the Apple world. -- lucas72 'QNAP Club Italy' (www.qnapclub.it) - When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris. lucas72's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11288 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
But the fact remain no native ALAC for SB3 SB3 reciever or Boom is possible. (well it is possible if you throw out something else, like encryption for some services... ) So server transcoding is still needed for all the old players , but now with possibly improved reliability. Touch and Radio can now get better native support , there are issues with for example 24/96 alac or have been afiak ? now relatively bugfree support is possible if logitech can use the official decoder if it exist for all kinds of hardware and OS ? or if better third party decoder/encoder gets written. Ideally Squeezeboxes should play your files regardless of personal preferences, but as I think there is to many formats , and it has not always been possible. Now that it is open source wonder how long it takes before someone whines that cue+alac does not work ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
I am with Paul Raulerson, if only for his imaginative way of putting things! I really want to hook up a asynchronous USB dac to a SB, which at this moment is not really feasible. Soundcheck (with his Touch Toolbox) made the USB port available for output, but the USB driver on the Touch is too old (not class 2 audio capable). So I would really like to see Logitech put an updated Touch on the market with an newer USB driver. That's why this thread interests me. However, we can make this work using Squeezeslave on e.g. a fanless FitPC (which is smaller than a duet and with a SSD is completely silent). The only hurdle is to make hi res work in Squeezeslave. Which unfortunately is not an endeaver for the faint of heart as Ralphy explained to me. You may say: I am loosing the bigger picture here... but once we have an (audiophile) alternative for the SB hardware, we are pretty much on our own. Let people who just want streaming services use their iPads and iPhones etc. They can stream whatever an App Store or Android Market app has to offer directly to a DAC already today (have a look at Arcam's rDAC with support for Kleer). Eventually the SB concept will probably loose out to this type of solution for the mass market. But let the mass market be the mass market. I dont see any reason why the SB server x client solution wouldnt be able to survive as a niche open source initiative for a bunch of well-bred enthusiasts :-) But as Erland says, there are no signs from Logitech that they are about to abandon the SB yet. So why worry anyway? thus my two cents Tom -- warpian warpian's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49534 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
Hi-Fi shops not carrying SB: I'd bet margin is a big factor as well. Such smaller retailers low volume + high margin. So a Touch with an MSRP of $300 there is not much margin, so I'd guess a Sonos (or other) higher dollar system better fits their business model. MySqueezeBox.com: Yes, unneeded for your local music, and that is a factor. But keep in mind how important streaming services are to the over all hardware sales. Whether you use it or not a reliable and ever improving MySB is truly key to the success of the entire SB line, now and going forward. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
warpian;665836 Wrote: I am with Paul Raulerson, if only for his imaginative way of putting things! I really want to hook up a asynchronous USB dac to a SB, which at this moment is not really feasible. Soundcheck (with his Touch Toolbox) made the USB port available for output, but the USB driver on the Touch is too old (not class 2 audio capable). So I would really like to see Logitech put an updated Touch on the market with an newer USB driver. That's why this thread interests me. However, we can make this work using Squeezeslave on e.g. a fanless FitPC (which is smaller than a duet and with a SSD is completely silent). The only hurdle is to make hi res work in Squeezeslave. Which unfortunately is not an endeaver for the faint of heart as Ralphy explained to me. You may say: I am loosing the bigger picture here... but once we have an (audiophile) alternative for the SB hardware, we are pretty much on our own. Let people who just want streaming services use their iPads and iPhones etc. They can stream whatever an App Store or Android Market app has to offer directly to a DAC already today (have a look at Arcam's rDAC with support for Kleer). Eventually the SB concept will probably loose out to this type of solution for the mass market. But let the mass market be the mass market. I dont see any reason why the SB server x client solution wouldnt be able to survive as a niche open source initiative for a bunch of well-bred enthusiasts :-) But as Erland says, there are no signs from Logitech that they are about to abandon the SB yet. So why worry anyway? thus my two cents Tom I think because stock is getting low and its been 2 years since any new products have been launched that people are speculating on the future, most taking a pessimistic view that Logitech are looking to pull the plug -- socistep socistep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18860 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
bjs;665789 Wrote: Interesting news: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/27/apples-alac-codec-is-now-open-source/Unfortunately I think there is still a part of this story missing... Apple .M4A music files consist of a raw data music stream, that is wrapped inside an ISO MPEG4 file container. MPEG4 is an open ISO standard that defines a nestable structure of boxes, where each such box has a name, and a predefined data payload. The ISO standard specifies some of the standard box names and their respective payloads. But the standard is extensible and allows vendors to add their own box definitions, and define their respective payloads. This works fine, because if a particular client does not understand the contents of a particular box type, it can ignore it and jump over to the next box. One such standard MPEG4 box is the music stream box; it may contain MP3, MP4, AAC, ALAC or proprietary raw stream data. Therefore it is of course excellent news that Apple has open sourced the ALAC format, because it increases the number of public domain raw data stream payload formats that the standard MPEG4 music stream box can carry. BUT, Apple still still uses other (proprietary) boxes to carry the track meta-data (i.e. the tags). These Apple proprietary metadata boxes obviously fit within the overall ISO format, and their names are known, and their payload structures have been reverse engineered. (So for example the SBS Scanner knows how to parse the tags). HOWEVER, so far as I know, these meta data tags have NOT been open sourced by Apple, so they could change the payload structures at whim, and thus break any third party applications that rely on them... = Dear Apple, please also open source your meta data boxes!! -- AndrewFG Regards, AndrewFG Try out Whitebear. The middleware that joins the two worlds of: 1. UPnP/DLNA media clients and media players, and, 2. Squeezebox Server and Squeeze Players Download it for free here: http://www.whitebear.ch/mediaserver AndrewFG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing SqueezePad - the first dedicated iPad App to controll your SqueezeBoxen !
I've been getting up to speed with Erland's plugins - MultiLibrary and CustomBrowse in particular - and having the ability to customize the top-level menu items in SqueezePad is crucial to make the best use of the plugins. Are there any plans for implementing this? Or is there already a way via SqueezePad or CustomBrowse that I'm not aware of? Thanks (and keep up the great work!) -- VirusKiller VirusKiller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80553 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
AndrewFG;665859 Wrote: Unfortunately I think there is still a part of this story missing... Apple .M4A music files consist of a raw data music stream, that is wrapped inside an ISO MPEG4 file container. MPEG4 is an open ISO standard that defines a nestable structure of boxes, where each such box has a name, and a predefined data payload. The ISO standard specifies some of the standard box names and their respective payloads. But the standard is extensible and allows vendors to add their own box definitions, and define their respective payloads. This works fine, because if a particular client does not understand the contents of a particular box type, it can ignore it and jump over to the next box. One such standard MPEG4 box is the music stream box; it may contain MP3, MP4, AAC, ALAC or proprietary raw stream data. Therefore it is of course excellent news that Apple has open sourced the ALAC format, because it increases the number of public domain raw data stream payload formats that the standard MPEG4 music stream box can carry. BUT, Apple still still uses other (proprietary) boxes to carry the track meta-data (i.e. the tags). These Apple proprietary metadata boxes obviously fit within the overall ISO format, and their names are known, and their payload structures have been reverse engineered. (So for example the SBS Scanner knows how to parse the tags). HOWEVER, so far as I know, these meta data tags have NOT been open sourced by Apple, so they could change the payload structures at whim, and thus break any third party applications that rely on them... = Dear Apple, please also open source your meta data boxes!! Ok this means that this open support is basically useless we have to rely on reverse engineered stuff anyway . or *shrug* some one will use this knowledge and use alac with some nonstandard tagging scheme :-/ -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
Mnyb;665863 Wrote: Ok this means that this open support is basically useless we have to rely on reverse engineered stuff anyway.No. Apple already made a good step in the right direction. -- They just need to finish the journey... -- AndrewFG Regards, AndrewFG Try out Whitebear. The middleware that joins the two worlds of: 1. UPnP/DLNA media clients and media players, and, 2. Squeezebox Server and Squeeze Players Download it for free here: http://www.whitebear.ch/mediaserver AndrewFG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
lucas72;665833 Wrote: cliveb;665817 Wrote: Rather than everyone else adding support for ALAC, wouldn't it just be easier for Apple to support FLAC? Of course not, why a company should force their customers to convert all their audio files?! Makes much more sense that new customers convert their FLAC files to enter the Apple world. Quite the contrary: No one said anything about Apple withdrawing ALAC, so Apple adding support for FLAC would not force anyone to do anything. But it would allow people to use a popular open source codec (FLAC) on Apple devices. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
aubuti;665870 Wrote: Quite the contrary True. Sorry too much beer today. -- lucas72 'QNAP Club Italy' (www.qnapclub.it) - When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris. lucas72's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11288 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] CBS Radio app (US only)
We've added a simple app to work around the recent insanity where TuneIn was forced to remove all of CBS's radio streams from their radio index. So, if you need to find any CBS stations, you can add this app. http://www.mysqueezebox.com/appgallery/CBSRadio -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91193 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WCBS 880 radio
Please see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91193 -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29272 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe the transporter does not support HW decoding for alac. for this reason, and because i use iTunes for library management, i've kept my library as AIFF. sure, takes up more space, but hard drives are cheap. the other reason being i can hear the difference between alac coverted to flac on the server, and native aiff playback. i assume there is no firmware upgrade possible for the transporter that would provide HW decoding for alac. that said, i'm no longer using the analog outputs on the transporter- it now connects digitally to a meridian G61 processor. i suppose i should do some listening to see if there's still an audible difference between aiff/alac in my system. -- netchord -- 4 TB Drobo--FW 800--mac mini--Ethernet Transporter-- Wireworld Eclipse 6 coax--Meridian G61 G61-- Nordost Red Dawn--Primare 30.3 Primare--Ocos--Vienna Acoustics Beethoven/Maestro netchord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
netchord;665885 Wrote: correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe the transporter does not support HW decoding for alac. for this reason, and because i use iTunes for library management, i've kept my library as AIFF. sure, takes up more space, but hard drives are cheap. the other reason being i can hear the difference between alac coverted to flac on the server, and native aiff playback. i assume there is no firmware upgrade possible for the transporter that would provide HW decoding for alac. that said, i'm no longer using the analog outputs on the transporter- it now connects digitally to a meridian G61 processor. i suppose i should do some listening to see if there's still an audible difference between aiff/alac in my system. I recomend that, I have a G68 It is very source agnostic if it can lock and dejitter and process it's done :) if you also use the RC and some digital speakers there are several layers of buffering resampling jitter removing processing and whatnot -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
AndrewFG;665859 Wrote: Unfortunately I think there is still a part of this story missing... Apple .M4A music files consist of a raw data music stream, that is wrapped inside an ISO MPEG4 file container. MPEG4 is an open ISO standard that defines a nestable structure of boxes, where each such box has a name, and a predefined data payload. The ISO standard specifies some of the standard box names and their respective payloads. But the standard is extensible and allows vendors to add their own box definitions, and define their respective payloads. This works fine, because if a particular client does not understand the contents of a particular box type, it can ignore it and jump over to the next box. One such standard MPEG4 box is the music stream box; it may contain MP3, MP4, AAC, ALAC or proprietary raw stream data. Therefore it is of course excellent news that Apple has open sourced the ALAC format, because it increases the number of public domain raw data stream payload formats that the standard MPEG4 music stream box can carry. BUT, Apple still still uses other (proprietary) boxes to carry the track meta-data (i.e. the tags). These Apple proprietary metadata boxes obviously fit within the overall ISO format, and their names are known, and their payload structures have been reverse engineered. (So for example the SBS Scanner knows how to parse the tags). HOWEVER, so far as I know, these meta data tags have NOT been open sourced by Apple, so they could change the payload structures at whim, and thus break any third party applications that rely on them... = Dear Apple, please also open source your meta data boxes!! Interesting. Has anybody looked at the source that was just released to see if perhaps they've included the proprietary tagging code? It seems to me that Apple opensourced the code to lay the groundwork for wider adoption of AirPlay by other vendors. Providing only half the story here makes no sense. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch, SqueezeCommander on Xoom. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.5, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 37,509 songs, 2,934 albums, 515 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
toby10;665837 Wrote: Hi-Fi shops not carrying SB: I'd bet margin is a big factor as well. Yep, definitely more likely to be the factor than sound quality even though there is some merit to the concept of SbS being a bit difficult to explain. toby10;665837 Wrote: MySqueezeBox.com: Yes, unneeded for your local music, and that is a factor. But keep in mind how important streaming services are to the over all hardware sales. Whether you use it or not a reliable and ever improving MySB is truly key to the success of the entire SB line, now and going forward. Agreed. Some of the more vocal members around here are so content with ever improving their tagging scheme to better organize their music that they forget (or just aren't aware) that many others, even when running their own SbS, rely on MySB in one way or other to access the material they want. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
alfista;665889 Wrote: Originally Posted by toby10 Hi-Fi shops not carrying SB: I'd bet margin is a big factor as well. Yep, definitely more likely to be the factor than sound quality even though there is some merit to the concept of SbS being a bit difficult to explain. That's not true for the HIFI dealers I spoke with. They do sell devices cheaper than a Squeezebox Touch (dacs, cd players, etc ...) the real problem was the poor quality (reliability, not user friendly) of the software. (see what I said here http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=665731postcount=57 ) -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
mps;665683 Wrote: That sounds great! Would you be willing to post/pm the code for the playlist? Mike, No problem. Actually the SQL Playlist plugin used to have a feature which allowed users to publish their own customized playlist scripts so that they can be accessed by everyone (see http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SQL_Playlist_plugin#Downloading_and_sharing_playlists). I say used to have because I can't seem to find the Publish link in SQLPlaylist anymore - either its been removed or I just can't find it right now. I did find it before because I did publish my script years ago. There wasn't much uptake of this feature - only about 3 or 4 users published their scripts. Anyway, the version I published back then is out of date since I can't seem to publish it via SQLPlaylist anymore, I'll PM you my latest version instead. Brian. -- briank briank's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1249 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
GeeJay;665790 Wrote: my standard random playlist will play 5-star tracks 100% of the time, 4-star tracks 75% of the time, and 3-star tracks 50% of the time, so it's more than just a thumbs-up, thumbs-down decision. +1 (although I think you mean 100/75/50 as weightings as opposed to % of the time) Obviously its horses for courses: I prefer the rating-weighted course rather than the MIP seeding course. It seems several people have rating-weighted scripts - its a pity there's not a shared/standard/built-in one. I think Erland's standard ones come close but not close enough. Sugarcube plugin may be the best course for this horse but sql playlist scripts seem the simplest easiest to maintain. -- briank briank's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1249 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
briank;665902 Wrote:
It seems several people have rating-weighted scripts - its a pity
there's not a shared/standard/built-in one. I think Erland's standard
ones come close but not close enough. Sugarcube plugin may be the best
course for this horse but sql playlist scripts seem the simplest
easiest to maintain.
The Random rated songs template is included with SQL Playlist, it
will give you the choice to specify percentage of tracks rated less
than 3 stars that should be included. Specifying 20% will give you 80%
(3-5 stars) and 20% (1-2 stars)
I wonder if it would make sense to even include a playlist based on
this template by default ?
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Re: [slim] CBS Radio app (US only)
andyg;665879 Wrote: We've added a simple app to work around the recent insanity where TuneIn was forced to remove all of CBS's radio streams from their radio index. So, if you need to find any CBS stations, you can add this app. http://www.mysqueezebox.com/appgallery/CBSRadio This is great, but now when I set radio presets I just get MP3-64 (the stream I've selected) for the station call letters and the Antenna station art rather than the actual station call letters/artwork (like KNX in LA and WXRT in Chicago). Is there any metadata at all transmitted via this app? Thanks! -mark -- mbonsack mbonsack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1398 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91193 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
I think it's great news, it removes most of the open source arguments at a stroke. I can't see Apple going back on this, what would be the reason? Anyway I'll be moving to an Apple tv come Christmas if Santa is good to me. Far too much trouble running my old squeezebox 2 these days. The last update was the last straw I'm afraid. -- Steven Moore Steven Moore's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng Update: More Music: SoundCloud, Aupeo, hypem.com... anyone?
Now also the iPad version including the playback behind lock screen fix is rolling out on the App Store. It also has one nice new feature for iOS 5: It shows NowPlaying information, including Cover Art on the lock screen. You can also get volume/play/pause/skip/AirPlay control when double-tapping the home button. I like that, it's nice. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89873 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] CBS Radio app (US only)
CBS provides the stream listing and are responsible for the stream title choices and lack of metadata. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91193 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Accessing WNYC streams Problem - Help Test
ismarketing;639171 Wrote: I do some work for WNYC. I have reported this issue to Sr. programming management. Hopefully there will be a quick resolution. ismarketing, not sure if you're still hanging around here, but the exact same problem has popped up again with WNYC. I was hoping you could let your contact at WNYC know. That is, WNYC plays via an AAC stream: http://wnycam.streamguys.com/wnycam.aac it can play via searching within SbS for internet radio and selecting it that way http://opml.radiotime.com/Tune.ashx?id=s21605formats=aac,ogg,mp3,wmpro,wma,wmvoicepartnerId=16serial=1cda95bdded7f93fa6a8586a815739b3 but IT WILL NOT PLAY ANYTHING BUT THE OPENING SUPPORTED BY STREAM for the direct mp3 URL for either AM or FM. http://wnycam.streamguys.com/ http://wnycfm.streamguys.com/ However, both these streams will play ok on foobar2000, just not in SB players (hardware or software). Seems to be something that happens when they change or update the supported by message. After the change, the supported by message will play but then the stream will stop (on SB players only). Again, this is the exact same issue as noted in this old thread (I previously started). -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.2 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88605 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Accessing WNYC streams Problem - Help Test
I will let them know. -- ismarketing ismarketing's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88605 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Accessing WNYC streams Problem - Help Test
ismarketing;665942 Wrote: I will let them know. Thanks! definitely seems to be the mp3 stream. The two methods that work are both showing up as AAC stream. -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.2 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88605 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?
erland;665776 Wrote: If we want to start something new, it's easy to just post a link on the official Logitech support forums when the catastrophe has happened. good point -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.2 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91090 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
erland;665904 Wrote: The Random rated songs template is included with SQL Playlist, it will give you the choice to specify percentage of tracks rated less than 3 stars that should be included. Specifying 20% will give you 80% (3-5 stars) and 20% (1-2 stars) I wonder if it would make sense to even include a playlist based on this template by default ? Yes, the Random rated songs template is the one I was thinking of when I said there was one I thought was close but not close enough, As you say, it only differentiates between 1-2 stars and 3-5 stars - I'd prefer more control, i.e., differentiate between no stars and 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5. Why have all these levels of rating if you don't use them? You could just have less levels but I think 5 is perfect: none=haven't rated yet, 1=hate it don't play, 2=not great, 3=good, 4=very good, 5=bona fide classic. You can probably guess that I'd vote for providing a playlist based on this template with the above extensions by default. -- briank briank's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1249 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I don't want to pay for trackstat !
Phil Leigh;665705 Wrote: I bet once you have rated something 1 or 2 you never listen to it again - so it might as well be removed from the collection. So the 1-5 scheme basically resolves into good or not good - and you might as well just jettison the not good stuff. That's what I do. In my rating system, 2 tracks are tracks that are appropriate in the context of an album, but not in a mix. Often these are short intros/outros/segues, or very long tracks that don't work well in a mix but I still want to hear them as part of an album. My 1 tracks are those I want in my collection but don't want in mixes. For instance, live tracks/albums or remixes. I generally don't like live or alternate versions in mixes, but I still want those songs as part of my collection. Unrated tracks are for music my husband likes but I don't. 3-5 is for music I want in mixes, with 4 5 being favorites. Mixes can then be weighted by how much I like the song. I also use the 4-5 ratings to auto-fill my iPods for the road. These ratings often change as I get tired of older stuff and so on. Thanks for continuing to support your plug-ins, Erland! The fee is nothing compared to how much they enhance the music experience for me. -- MeSue SUE 1 Duet | 2 Booms | 1 Radio | 1 Touch | 1 SB2 HP MediaSmart EX470 | Squeezebox Server 7.6 | iPod Touch iPad w/ iPeng Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
andyg;665793 Wrote: ALAC seeking is supported. But yes this is great news, we can finally implement the official decoder. So is there any hope that we might see firmware updates for legacy devices such as the Transporter or Classic so they will understand ALAC some day? -- loneagle loneagle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
loneagle;665961 Wrote: So is there any hope that we might see firmware updates for legacy devices such as the Transporter or Classic so they will understand ALAC some day? The amount of code for ALAC is actually quite small, so who knows, maybe it would be possible. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
andyg;665965 Wrote: The amount of code for ALAC is actually quite small, so who knows, maybe it would be possible. Count one big vote from an owner of multiple SB2's and 3's! -- abdomen abdomen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
Actually I should mention that the code Apple released doesn't appear to include any MP4 code, only code to decode raw CAF (CoreAudio Format) files, and of course basically all ALAC files are going to be in MP4. So that would require additional code... -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
erland;665802 Wrote: Are there any advantages of using FLAC now when ALAC is open sourced ? Last time I tested, stereo FLAC files were slightly smaller than their FLAC counterparts...and mono FLAC files were a *lot* smaller. -- atrocity atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapped playback? (playback with gaps between tracks)
andyg;664493 Wrote: I don't think I've ever heard of someone wanting gaps! You should listen to the music the way it was intended, and the same way it plays on a CD. :) Is it gapless? is always my first question about any device...usually the answer is no and I immediately lose interest. But having said that...I do occasionally wish for the ability to automatically insert a couple dead seconds between albums, especially when playing them randomly. My tastes are such that I'm perfectly happy to go from Beethoven to the Sex Pistols, but not necessarily with a hard splice. I've thought of just creating a two-second or so silent track, but that would only work when I'm personally and explicitly building the playlist. -- atrocity atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Accessing WNYC streams Problem - Help Test
Working again. Thanks! -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.2 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88605 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
andyg;665965 Wrote: The amount of code for ALAC is actually quite small, so who knows, maybe it would be possible. Interesting and positive :) was not the memory/cpu/something in the SB3 so limited that the bridging function was sacrificed for some change in the encryption for some service ( no loss imo bridging has nothing to do with music ) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
Mnyb;665809 Wrote: Yes this was unnecessary , there are already to many formats would have been better if apple incorporated FLAC in their products. But that's thinking beyond pride and short term profit . You know, I hear a lot of this, but there are far more devices out there using ALAC to stream music around than -anything- else. Every iTunes install, every Airport Express, Apple TV, and more and more hardware from third parties too. Pioneer, Bower and Wilkens, Denon, Linn, AS400, etc. ALAC support not only puts a product into the largest and (potentially) most profitable environment around, it also forces Apple to improve seriously on the specs. Being open now, it won't be long before hi-res ALACs are streaming around the place. Logitech has already proven it can be done and done well. Now what happens when 30 million devices need to be upgraded to stream 24/96 or better? We live in really interesting times. :) -Paul -- paul.raulerson paul.raulerson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
