Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
Logitech have fully supported the online capabilities of Wilife security cameras since they replaced them with the incompatible Alert system 2 years ago. My guess is that they'll take the approach with Squeezebox and UE. In which case, you should have no worries. majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
MeSue wrote: Not as far as I know. Thanks. Let's hope they do better with LMS and the software players. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
pallfreeman wrote: Thanks. Let's hope they do better with LMS and the software players. Is that to finally ensure they have given all their commercial value away. What a business, software players on a free Internet service, with a free standalone server. And you people wonder why it's not going to continue! DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
DaveWr wrote: Is that to finally ensure they have given all their commercial value away. That's one way of looking at it; but it's their choice. Personally I can't see the point of selling a combined hardware/software product then keeping the software to yourself when you stop producing the hardware. I must be a communist. What a business, software players on a free Internet service, with a free standalone server. And you people wonder why it's not going to continue! The subject of subscriptions has come up on several occasions, but never really went anywhere. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?
Hey Guys, I would like to understand how big/active/passionate the Squeeze community really is at this point, and how much real interest there is in keeping things going, and growing, int the future. I'm not talking about keeping this on life support (as per now), but in terms of new products and restoring the commitment to quality music playback - think transporter on steroids and other cool products. I'm seriously thinking about making an offer to Logitech for the rights, so would appreciate considered feedback. Cheers, Moos Man moos_man's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57497 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
Hey Guys, I would like to understand how big/active/passionate the Squeezebox community really is at this point, and how much real interest there is in keeping things going, and growing, into the future. I'm not talking about keeping this on life support (as per what is going on now), but in terms of new products and restoring the commitment to quality music playback - think transporter on steroids and other cool products. I'm seriously thinking about making an offer to Logitech for the rights, so would appreciate considered feedback. Cheers, Moos Man moos_man's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57497 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?
moos_man wrote: Hey Guys, I would like to understand how big/active/passionate the Squeeze community really is at this point, and how much real interest there is in keeping things going, and growing, int the future. I'm not talking about keeping this on life support (as per now), but in terms of new products and restoring the commitment to quality music playback - think transporter on steroids and other cool products. I'm seriously thinking about making an offer to Logitech for the rights, so would appreciate considered feedback. Cheers, Moos Man I'm not sure what sort of evidence of size/passion you're seeking. I think a perusal of these forums certainly confirms a passion for the squeezebox system for music playback. Look at my signature for the SB stuff I own. That's certainly evidence of my personal opinion on this. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player moos_man wrote: Hey Guys, I would like to understand how big/active/passionate the Squeezebox community really is at this point, and how much real interest there is in keeping things going, and growing, into the future. I'm not talking about keeping this on life support (as per what is going on now), but in terms of new products and restoring the commitment to quality music playback - think transporter on steroids and other cool products. I'm seriously thinking about making an offer to Logitech for the rights, so would appreciate considered feedback. Cheers, Moos Man As I noted in your other post (by the way, better not to cross post), I'm not sure what sort of evidence of size/passion you are seeking. The existence of these very active forums for many years is one data point. Look at my signature for all the SB stuff I own. This is certainly evidence of my *personal* passion for the SB ecosystem for playing music. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player I voted yes, if below $500, budget is governed by my wife's patience. Also I don't have golden ears, the present Touch's sound is good enough for me Also, it would need to work alongside present Squeezeboxen kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player garym wrote: As I noted in your other post (by the way, better not to cross post), I'm not sure what sort of evidence of size/passion you are seeking. The existence of these very active forums for many years is one data point. Look at my signature for all the SB stuff I own. This is certainly evidence of my *personal* passion for the SB ecosystem for playing music. Thanks for the note garym - and sorry for the double-post. Definitely want to be a good citizen, but have not been an active poster before. Hopefully my posting malfunction shall be forgiven! :) I know that size/passion is somewhat hard to quantify - getting responses to this thread is definitely an indicator. The activity level on the forum is also a good data point. That aside, it would be interesting to find out how many people would be genuinely interested in buying new products if they became available - the poll which I put up will hopefully provide an indication. moos_man's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57497 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player moos_man wrote: Thanks for the note garym - and sorry for the double-post. Definitely want to be a good citizen, but have not been an active poster before. Hopefully my posting malfunction shall be forgiven! :) I know that size/passion is somewhat hard to quantify - getting responses to this thread is definitely an indicator. The activity level on the forum is also a good data point. That aside, it would be interesting to find out how many people would be genuinely interested in buying new products if they became available - the poll which I put up will hopefully provide an indication. No harm on cross posting (it just makes it complicated to follow a threadthe way most folks read this forum, they see *all* the new posts, regardless of the thread they are posted to). I'm generally not budget driven on such purchases within reason (and performance-price tradeoffs as I don't want to waste my money of course). In this context, I did buy a Transporter and would have probably bought a Transporter II had it evolved. However, one major issue for me beyond the audio quality/flexibility of the player is the software backbone (e.g., LMS) and its ability to *also* allow me to connect to internet radio (relatively easy) and music services like MOG, SiriusXM, Pandora (a bit harder I assume in the case of paid services). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player I am a Squeezebox lover and I have recommended past devices to many friends. I would definitely consider future purchases and future promotions to others, if the devices were compatible with my present Squeezebox ecosystem. I vote yes. Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player I would like any new product to return to the thin client roots of the SB system. Only this can truly provide the long lifecycle that fits audio products without vastly over-engineering the device. I am not going to throw more than $/ 500 in an audio device (except speakers) as a matter of principle. As durable and competent as it was, the $2000 Transporter was not in my league. But I would have upgraded some of my SB 3s to a newer upmarket model in the $500 range, had it retained the thin device concept (Touch was cheaper than that but not durable enough in my opinion.) I doubt many would consider a $500 product for their first device. Something around $200 is needed too I think. The Boom was almost the miracle entry device, albeit a bit large and too expensive in absolute terms (value has proved quite good.) epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player garym wrote: No harm on cross posting (it just makes it complicated to follow a threadthe way most folks read this forum, they see *all* the new posts, regardless of the thread they are posted to). I'm generally not budget driven on such purchases within reason (given performance-price tradeoffs as I don't want to waste my money of course). In this context, I did buy a Transporter and would have probably bought a Transporter II had it evolved. However, one major issue for me beyond the audio quality/flexibility of the player is the software backbone (e.g., LMS) and its ability to *also* allow me to connect to internet radio (relatively easy) and music services like MOG, SiriusXM, Pandora (a bit harder I assume in the case of paid services). Yes - I absolutely get the music services aspect and how important this is. moos_man's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57497 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player I was very happy with my Radio and Touch, but now I would never buy again a product that is part of an eco system, where the manufacturer does not guarantee that the eco system will be available for the next ten years or so. pz1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51957 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player pz1 wrote: I was very happy with my Radio and Touch, but now I would never buy again a product that is part of an eco system, where the manufacturer does not guarantee that the eco system will be available for the next ten years or so. There may be some, but I'm personally not aware of any products that I've ever purchased where the seller or manufacturer guaranteed the product (or a product is backward compatible with the old product) would be available for 10 years. I have vague recollections of of auto companies being required to have replacement parts for maybe 10 years after a model year. Then again, they promised certain pension and healthcare benefits to retirees under legal contracts that didn't necessarily get fulfilled either. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player I haven't voted because the option I would vote for is not there - I would buy another Squeezebox player under $500, but only to replace one of my existing players if it dies. moos_man wrote: I'm seriously thinking about making an offer to Logitech for the rights, so would appreciate considered feedback. I don't really see what IPR there is that Logitech actually own and is worth buying. What rights are you hoping to buy that you can't get for free? If you are thinking of starting up a business building hardware players, you already have all the data you need: Squeezebox Server is open source; SlimProto is in the public domain. The Squeezebox ecosystem is either going to die or refresh itself as a community effort. Plenty of hobbyists are experimenting with running Squeezeplay and/or Squeezeslave on cheap commodity devices like the Raspberry Pi, hoping to drive USB DACs for good sound quality. We're not there yet, but pretty soon someone will succeed. If you are thinking of building new hardware players, you will be in competition with that, so I can't see how there is a business case for manufacturing new hardware players. cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player pz1 wrote: I was very happy with my Radio and Touch, but now I would never buy again a product that is part of an eco system, where the manufacturer does not guarantee that the eco system will be available for the next ten years or so. If you bought your devices with the primary goal of listening to streaming online services then I can understand your dissatisfaction. You must, of course, recognize that you're relying not only on Logitech's continued support but also on the ongoing existence of the streaming companies themselves and on them maintaining a pricing level, selection, and audio quality that you find satisfactory. In other words, there are a number of interdependent pieces here that could fall apart. I'm pretty content relying on the cloud, but there are many for whom that level of uncertainty is not acceptable and it's a strong argument for owning and maintaining your own music. FWIW, I've now owned various Squeezeboxen for about a decade and even my oldest devices are still in daily service and have more capability than when I bought them. That's a pretty good argument for the longevity and flexibility of the Squeezebox ecosystem. Will the next ten years be as kind? I'm not sure, but as an overall architecture the Squeezebox world has a good track record. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player cliveb wrote: I haven't voted because the option I would vote for is not there - I would buy another Squeezebox player under $500, but only to replace one of my existing players if it dies. I don't really see what IPR there is that Logitech actually own and is worth buying. What rights are you hoping to buy that you can't get for free? If you are thinking of starting up a business building hardware players, you already have all the data you need: Squeezebox Server is open source; SlimProto is in the public domain. The Squeezebox ecosystem is either going to die or refresh itself as a community effort. Plenty of hobbyists are experimenting with running Squeezeplay and/or Squeezeslave on cheap commodity devices like the Raspberry Pi, hoping to drive USB DACs for good sound quality. We're not there yet, but pretty soon someone will succeed. If you are thinking of building new hardware players, you will be in competition with that, so I can't see how there is a business case for manufacturing new hardware players. Hi cliveb, OK - great feedback, thanks. I totally get the hobbyist angle wrt running on cheap commodity hardware - I myself own 3 high quality DACs and a bunch of embedded Linux platforms. The real question is whether Squeezebox as an ecosystem will not just survive but grow in a hobbyist/hacker-only form (I use the term hobbyist/hacker with greatest respect here!). It seems to me that one of the brilliant things about the original Slim product was very nice integration - it was not a bunch of DIY assembly boards for hackers, but a really neat little box with a very high wife/girlfriend acceptance factor. It is true that there was a lot of open source effort inside the box, but overall the package was a complete product which people were buying, until recently. BTW - Given that Logitech paid a reasonable amount of money for Slim, there were likely to be various rights involved (brand name is one example, though I suspect there is more). moos_man's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57497 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player moos_man wrote: I'm seriously thinking about making an offer to Logitech for the rights, so would appreciate considered feedback. I wish you luck and tell me (us) what we can do to help. But I think the idea will go nowhere for numerous reasons. The most glaring of these reasons is that you are asking Logitech to give you permission (albeit paid permission) to compete against their own UE products. Just doesn't make sense. But, I'm with ya. Where do I sign up? :) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player moos_man wrote: The real question is whether Squeezebox as an ecosystem will not just survive but grow in a hobbyist/hacker-only form (I use the term hobbyist/hacker with greatest respect here!) It depends, it can certainly get new features but without the distribution chain and non geek hardware it will be very hard to get anywhere near the volumes Logitech have had. moos_man wrote: BTW - Given that Logitech paid a reasonable amount of money for Slim, there were likely to be various rights involved (brand name is one example, though I suspect there is more). I hate to make you disappointed, but considering the fact that Logitech tries to market their new UE Smart Radio products I'm very skeptical that they would be willing to sell the brand name to someone that might take market shares from their new UE Smart Radio devices. I'm pretty sure the rights to streaming services, closed source software components and similar things can't be transferred to someone else as long as Logitech still want to keep using them in their UE Smart Radio products. Without mysqueezebox.com, which Logitech probably can't sell due to the above mentioned limitation, your devices would be a very crippled Squeezebox which only supports local music. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player moos_man wrote: I would like to understand how big/active/passionate the Squeezebox community really is at this point, and how much real interest there is in keeping things going, and growing, into the future. I'm not talking about keeping this on life support (as per what is going on now), but in terms of new products and restoring the commitment to quality music playback - think transporter on steroids and other cool products. I strongly believe there is still a lot of interest both in this community and in the market for an open system which can fill the whole house with music and let you explore it. I fear the interest will degrade over time, we have seen this already during the last year with decreased activities from Logitech's side, but I seriously hope people will stick around and not move on to other products already now. I believe someone will eventually fill the hole and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the future of music streaming and whole house audio starts right here in this community. I also generally believe it's bad idea to get stuck in the past, we should learn from the history, use that experience and move on to the future. :-) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player I usually find my answer to polls is none of the above. I don't I need another squeezebox player; I already have 12 logitech devices and a bunch of other toys to stream music. But if logitech came out with something like the revue which actually worked I'd probably buy one. It would have to have certain features, though... So I answered yes sub $1000 and no. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Refurb Squeezebox Classics available
RonM wrote: Refurb Classics are also on eBay, free shipping, similar price (slightly lower): http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-Squeezebox-Network-Ready-Music-Player-930-09-/390425839064?pt=US_Internet_Media_Streamershash=item5ae73185d8 R. No shipping to the Netherlands?? wbree's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11537 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96522 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Refurb Squeezebox Classics available
wbree wrote: No shipping to the Netherlands?? You can ask the seller. Check also ebay.co.uk and ebay.de, plenty of SBs there too. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96522 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
pippin wrote: Well, do we seriously believe they build up all of the new infrastructure just for a re-branded radio? This is Logitech, so I actually don't find it hard to believe that. bwaldron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player moos_man wrote: Hey Guys, I would like to understand how big/active/passionate the Squeezebox community really is at this point, and how much real interest there is in keeping things going, and growing, into the future. I'm not talking about keeping this on life support (as per what is going on now), but in terms of new products and restoring the commitment to quality music playback - think transporter on steroids and other cool products. I'm seriously thinking about making an offer to Logitech for the rights, so would appreciate considered feedback. Cheers, Moos Man - It would be so nice to see this brand revitalized. It was a sad day when SlimDevices sold out to Logitech, although I can hardly blame them for wanting to cash in. They developed a great set of products with a passionate community supporting them. All that has now come apart and seems to be in danger of disappearing completely. I have two Squeezebox products that I continue to use because they're fantaastic devices with a software system that is highly configurable. I would happily buy another Squeezebox product, especially the Transporter which is a true high end digital music device. I hope you do manage to get the rights and it would be great if some of the original partners came back into the fold to breathe some life back into this brand. sg60's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5520 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
pippin wrote: Well, do we seriously believe they build up all of the new infrastructure just for a re-branded radio? I expect they'll be coming out with a much cheaper, non-battery radio-like player. Someone recently mentioned that they've gone back and are trying to finally get the bloody thing to function half-way reliably as an alarm clock, so I'd expect a device that looks and works better as a bedside clock/radio. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
JJZolx wrote: I'd expect a device that looks and works better as a bedside clock/radio. Oh, great. Another Chumby. I can't wait. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
On October 3, 2012 JJZolx jjzolx.5jv...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: radio-like player. Someone recently mentioned that they've gone back and are trying to finally get the bloody thing to function half-way reliably as an alarm clock, so I'd expect a device that looks and works better as a bedside clock/radio. I love my boom as an alarm clock, only big issue is the assumption in the alarm UI design that there are never days which are exceptions to my normal schedule, but in fact there are often multiple per week. Greg ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player I responded that I would by if it were less than $500, but that's not entirely true - I wouldn't pay over $300. The only thing I could see wanting in the future was to upgrade my Booms to something with a color or touch display - essentially a stereo radio which people have shown here via photoshop. Honestly, I don't need new hardware. What I'm more interested in is the continuing evolution of the software and capabilities. On top of that list would be a viable alternative to the now-dead MusicIP capability. To me, the value hasn't so much been in the hardware (which is great!) but in the software. maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
gregklanderman wrote: On October 3, 2012 JJZolx JJZolx.5jvelc (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com wrote: radio-like player. Someone recently mentioned that they've gone back and are trying to finally get the bloody thing to function half-way reliably as an alarm clock, so I'd expect a device that looks and works better as a bedside clock/radio. I love my boom as an alarm clock, only big issue is the assumption in the alarm UI design that there are never days which are exceptions to my normal schedule, but in fact there are often multiple per week. Greg I'm curious what you mean by this. Can you elaborate? Being able to schedule multiple alarms and target specific days of the week is very powerful. Squeezebox devices are, by far, the most flexible alarm devices I've ever used. I use a Boom as an alarm clock and love it (FWIW, it's been very reliable for me but I'm running on a local instance of LMS and not attempting to WOL). azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player If another company ever produces a Squeezebox, I would expect it to cost well over $1000. I don't think either Slim Devices or Logitech ever turned a profit on the Squeezebox line when you factor in the RD, tooling, and software development costs, plus the (small amount of) marketing they did for the products. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player JJZolx wrote: If another company ever produces a Squeezebox, I would expect it to cost well over $1000. I don't think either Slim Devices or Logitech ever turned a profit on the Squeezebox line when you factor in the RD, tooling, software development costs and the (small amount of) marketing they did for the products. I'm not challenging you, but I genuinely wonder about this. I wonder if Slim Devices was profitable before they were bought up by Logitech. Do we have any comments from anyone in the know that would hint one way or another? azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player JJZolx wrote: If another company ever produces a Squeezebox, I would expect it to cost well over $1000. That's $900 dollars profit. Sounds good to me. $50 for an ARM-based board and $50 for a half-decent DAC. Size of a cigarette packet. The pre-production models already available from the Chinese guys at your local airport are good enough for most people. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player pallfreeman wrote: That's $900 dollars profit. Sounds good to me. $50 for an ARM-based board and $50 for a half-decent DAC. Size of a cigarette packet. The pre-production models already available from the Chinese guys at your local airport are good enough for most people. I'd also expect a display (of a size that could be viewed from across a room), analog plus S/PDIF and USB digital outputs, and an IR receiver and remote. I'd no more want it to be the size of a cigarette pack than I'd want it to be the size of a cigarette. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player The poll is somewhat meaningless , what -kind-of player would my money buy ? I can balk at 100$ but easilly fork out 1000$ if it's something is really worth it. Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
azinck3 wrote: I'm curious what you mean by this. Can you elaborate? Being able to schedule multiple alarms and target specific days of the week is very powerful. Squeezebox devices are, by far, the most flexible alarm devices I've ever used. I use a Boom as an alarm clock and love it (FWIW, it's been very reliable for me but I'm running on a local instance of LMS and not attempting to WOL). Boom works fine as alarm clock with WOL :) I wake to my own files btw . Boom is actually more server dependent and should be worse ,but radio is worse in practice . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player Mnyb wrote: The poll is somewhat meaningless , what -kind- of player would my money buy ? I can balk at 100$ but easilly fork out 1000$ if it's something is really worth it. That's a much clearer way of expressing my point earlier (i.e., I'm willing to spend lots of money, but only for something worth that money). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player I love the 2 Squeezebox Touches I have. That being said I am not overly impressed w the quality of their support team. They claim continuing support but cannot fix something as simple as the Live Music Archive app. They will not even say-we are not going to fix it. The best I could get was a statement that the request for a fix would be forwarded to the appropriate personnel. I would recommend a Squeezebox to others if they understood that the support level is minimal at best under the current operation. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
On October 3, 2012 azinck3 azinck3.5jv...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: I love my boom as an alarm clock, only big issue is the assumption in the alarm UI design that there are never days which are exceptions to my normal schedule, but in fact there are often multiple per week. I'm curious what you mean by this. Can you elaborate? Certainly I love being able to have alarms for different days of the week, etc. But if for example tomorrow I need to wake extra early because I have an early meeting, how do you do that? I can edit the existing alarm that is scheduled for tomorrow, but then I have to remember to revert that change tomorrow night. I'd really like an Override alarm for tomorrow in the menu so I can change the alarm time for just the following day and which does not mess with my regularly scheduled alarms. Ideally, when entering that menu, it would default to the override if already set, and otherwise the regularly scheduled alarm time. In the same vein, but lower impact, it would be nice to have a vacation mode where you can say I'm going away for N days, so you don't have to remember to turn your alarms back on when you finally arrive home after midnight from countless airline delays. Greg ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
gregklanderman wrote: On October 3, 2012 azinck3 azinck3.5jviuo (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com wrote: I love my boom as an alarm clock, only big issue is the assumption in the alarm UI design that there are never days which are exceptions to my normal schedule, but in fact there are often multiple per week. I'm curious what you mean by this. Can you elaborate? Certainly I love being able to have alarms for different days of the week, etc. But if for example tomorrow I need to wake extra early because I have an early meeting, how do you do that? I can edit the existing alarm that is scheduled for tomorrow, but then I have to remember to revert that change tomorrow night. I'd really like an Override alarm for tomorrow in the menu so I can change the alarm time for just the following day and which does not mess with my regularly scheduled alarms. Ideally, when entering that menu, it would default to the override if already set, and otherwise the regularly scheduled alarm time. In the same vein, but lower impact, it would be nice to have a vacation mode where you can say I'm going away for N days, so you don't have to remember to turn your alarms back on when you finally arrive home after midnight from countless airline delays. Greg Thanks for the details. Yeah, I've had some of the same thoughts myself but haven't totally sorted through in my mind what the best interface might be. I can imagine some very powerful functionality, but have a hard time imagining a simple enough interface to actually use it. FWIW, I usually don't edit any of my regular alarms, but rather just have an extra alarm sitting around that I edit for these purposes. So my current procedure to do an override of the next day's alarms is: Disable my regular alarm Edit the extra alarm's time to match my desired wake-up time for the next day Enable the extra alarm (which is set to not repeat, so it will only apply for one day) Then, the next night before I go to bed I only have to re-enable my regular alarm for everything to be back to normal. Could be better but it's not too bad. Another quick comment: you know you can hit the snooze button to see the time of the next scheduled alarm? I always hit this before going to bed as a quick sanity check. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player JJZolx wrote: I'd also expect a display (of a size that could be viewed from across a room), analog plus S/PDIF and USB digital outputs, and an IR receiver and remote. I'd no more want it to be the size of a cigarette pack than I'd want it to be the size of a cigarette. That's a TV. Ariel might be reading. Don't give them more ideas sure to fail. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player pallfreeman wrote: That's a TV. Ariel might be reading. Don't give them more ideas sure to fail. I can't speak to whether or not the idea would fail, but I CAN say that I'm with JJZolx on this one. I don't want a TV everywhere I might want an SB for MANY reasons (cost, aesthetic, heat, etc.). And even if I do have a TV there I don't really want to have it on just so I can glance up and see what's playing. TV's (especially when they're on) have a way of dominating a room and commanding attention; it lends a different atmosphere to the room that I don't want when listening to audio. Maybe I'm not imaginative enough, but I'd be super happy if they'd make something very similar to the SB3 but figure out a way to get it to support Airplay (not something I care about personally, but I recognize it as being important for broader adoption). azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
On October 3, 2012 azinck3 azinck3.5jv...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: Thanks for the details. Yeah, I've had some of the same thoughts myself but haven't totally sorted through in my mind what the best interface might be. I can imagine some very powerful functionality, but have a hard time imagining a simple enough interface to actually use it. right, the key is to have a simple solution for at most a few common temporary alarm change use cases. FWIW, I usually don't edit any of my regular alarms, but rather just have an extra alarm sitting around that I edit for these purposes. So my current procedure to do an override of the next day's alarms is: Disable my regular alarm Edit the extra alarm's time to match my desired wake-up time for the next day Enable the extra alarm (which is set to not repeat, so it will only apply for one day) Then, the next night before I go to bed I only have to re-enable my regular alarm for everything to be back to normal. Could be better but it's not too bad. yeah, that works but it's not very elegant.. Another quick comment: you know you can hit the snooze button to see the time of the next scheduled alarm? I always hit this before going to bed as a quick sanity check. very cool, I didn't realize that, I'll check it out tonight. so I guess I'd propose that if you held the snooze button when the player was off, you'd be able to edit that time, and have it effect only the next day. Greg ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player I like my Squeezeboxes, but there are many ways to stream media - in the end I will go for ease and cost effectiveness. Three or four times I nearly bought a Touch. What stopped me? The knowledge I could buy a small format PC (eeeBox or similar) for about the same price, and the fact I could run a software instance of Squeezebox on an HTPC hidden in a cupboard and linked to a decent DAC with a long optical lead. The competing hardware has to be the Apple Airport Express for £80 ($100?) - with iThingies and Android Handies a display is not needed. A small screen can be a nice feature, but not if it doubles or triples the price. The other issue is the integration of audio and video streaming where the competing hardware is the Apple TV for £100 ($120). Some want the integration, others don't. The streaming boxes all have acceptable internal DACs and this will be enough for many (most?) others can add the DAC of their choice. So there you have it - $100 is the target price for an audio only streamer - there's not that much in the box! Google got their Nexus streaming sphere gloriously wrong. They should have launched their versions of the Airport Express and Apple TV, made them easily hackable, and marketed them at the same prices. If Logitech had any sense, even now they would bring such boxes to market. Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player The Apple TV and Airport Express both retail for $99 MSRP in the US. I think this end of the market is entirely owned by Apple, who benefits from the ubiquity of iThings and PCs/Macs with iTunes installed. Metcalf's Law can be said to apply, (the value of a telecommunications network is proportional to the square of the number of connected users of the system). Someone trying to displace the incumbent faces a hopeless odds unless they have a unique value proposition, preferably something disruptive. However, I see a big gap between the $99 boxes by Apple and the cheapest Sonos ZonePlayer, which is $350. A product not too different from the Touch is needed in that price range (anything up to $350). I don't know the secret of how Logitech were managing to lose money on it, other than they were charging too little money for it. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player dsdreamer wrote: I don't know the secret of how Logitech were managing to lose money on it, other than they were charging too little for it. The Touch was probably not their biggest cash cow but are you sure they actually loosed money on it ? I don't think I've ever seen anything like this mentioned from an official source, but I might have missed something. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
