Re: [Dorset] How can I tell if my Router is 'Seeing' Legitimate Connection Attempts from the Internet
On 12/05/2024 19:04, Terry Coles wrote: nothing in the dump that made any sense to me. I'm loth to post the whole dump here, although as you say a lot has already been exposed. I've fixed it. I looked again at the settings for my router, which apparently has two ways of defining Port Forwarding. I used the wrong way, although the result looks exactly the same. Ralph, Thanks for all your help. The next step is to deploy it to the WMT on Tuesday. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-06-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] How can I tell if my Router is 'Seeing' Legitimate Connection Attempts from the Internet
On 12/05/2024 18:30, Ralph Corderoy wrote: So you should try comparing a port you expect your router to be listening on, the VPN TCP port, and a port which you expect to have nothing listening on it, 54321 in my example above. OK. There are two ports defined for the Internal and External ports; the same two are used on each side. When I try the telnet command with these; neither reply at all, eg no connection refused, just hung up until a Ctrl C is issued. Does that mean those ports are not actually open? If both give ‘connection refused’ then your router is not accepting incoming VPN TCP port connections. But if the VPN ones don't immediately fail with that error and the other ones do then the router is willing to do something. Then you have to work out what, e.g. is the next hop getting the incoming packet from the router? tcpdump(1) can help there, as we've probably discussed before. When I tried the above again with tcpdump running in another terminal, they both returned eventually with connection refused (Connection timed out in each case), with lots of traffic being captured. I could see nothing in the dump that made any sense to me. I'm loth to post the whole dump here, although as you say a lot has already been exposed. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-06-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] How can I tell if my Router is 'Seeing' Legitimate Connection Attempts from the Internet
On 12/05/2024 16:46, Terry Coles wrote: $ telnet -4 bitfolk.com 54321 Trying 85.119.80.199... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused $ I'm not sure what all that means. The American author of the code has I've just worked out what Ralph was saying, and I get exactly the same result when I try to telnet into my static IP address. This all worked four years ago when I was testing the server installation prior to deployment at WMT. The only difference between the setup then and the setup now, is that back then I was using mains power signalling adapters to get an Ethernet connection to my workshop. Sometime between then and now, my power adapters failed, so I am now using a WiFi Extender with an Ethernet port. Could that have any bearing? I can ping and ssh into the server on 192.16.1.9 (the static IP of the server on the router side) from my PC on 192.16.1.21. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-06-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] How can I tell if my Router is 'Seeing' Legitimate Connection Attempts from the Internet
This should have gone to the List instead of to Ralph!!! Ralph, On 12/05/2024 14:50, Ralph Corderoy wrote: - Is the pong coming from the router? - Does it have a ‘pong’ configuration which is currently on? I couldn't find anything in the Router's setup to enable or disable pings. - If switched to off, do the pong's cease? - If you unplug the router from the Internet or turn it off, do the pong's stop? Yes. b. Attempt to connect to the VPN Server which is connected to my home network. Does the attempt work? No. The router might be getting a continual stream of packets. Logging those would take a lot of space. Perhaps it doesn't know the particular ones of interest to you. It depends on the router and how configurable it is. Yes. The Help isn't very helpful in this respect. If you attempt to connect to a TCP port at the static IP address which is not being listened to, do you get a ‘connection refused’? If so and you don't get one for your VPN port then you've reached something which is listening. That might be the router forwarding it on. $ telnet -4 bitfolk.com 54321 Trying 85.119.80.199... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused $ I'm not sure what all that means. The American author of the code has woken up now and is also trying to help with the VPN configuration. He has concluded that the network must be at fault, so we've arrived at the same point. This setup worked once, 4 years ago when I originally built and tested the server prior to installation at WMT. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-06-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] How can I tell if my Router is 'Seeing' Legitimate Connection Attempts from the Internet
Hi, I'm still trying to resolve the issues with the VPN service at the WMT (I've been away for a while, not continuously slogging away at this). After some extensive testing, I've found that: 1. My static IP Address to the Internet is what my router says it is (established using whatsmyip.org). 2. I can successfully ping my static IP Address from another device not on the same network. The Router logs show no activity when I: a. Ping the IP Address from another device not on the same network. b. Attempt to connect to the VPN Server which is connected to my home network. Port forwarding is set up to allow this, but I would have expected the Router to detect the attempt anyway. Any ideas? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-06-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Online Meeting - Tonight at 8pm
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'll not be there because I'm in the Midlands today. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-05-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Online Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next online Meeting will be one week tonight; Tuesday, 2024-05-07 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. I'll be going to the Midlands next week, so won't be around again. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-05-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Problems Installing Package on Raspberry Pi
On 26/04/2024 13:06, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Still the same, as in I still have the following directories and files: strongswan.conf ... Yes. Or still the same complaining about the corrupt \xFF in what should be a text file of Perl source code? That too. Whilst the corruption exists, most bets are off and trying more things risks worsening the corruption. If it's a Pi's SD card, start afresh? I was coming round to that way of thinking. I do have a backup of an earlier SD Card, so I may start with that, before I completely reformat and re-install Raspberry Pi OS and all the associated configurations. Thanks for your help. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-05-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Problems Installing Package on Raspberry Pi
On 26/04/2024 12:59, Terry Coles wrote: Is there a way to repair this? I tried: sudo apt install strongswan --fix-broken but that didn't work. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-05-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Problems Installing Package on Raspberry Pi
This should have gone to the list instead of direct to Ralph.On 26/04/2024 12:47, Ralph Corderoy wrote: You're using APT which understands dependencies between packages. With dpkg(1), you're ducking under APT and fiddling with things without its knowledge, breaking its assumptions. I'd use sudo -i apt-get purge --auto-remove strongswan I tried that, it's still the same, so presumably the damage is done. Is there a way to repair this? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-05-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Problems Installing Package on Raspberry Pi
This should have gone to the list instead of direct to Ralph.
On 26/04/2024 12:43, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
What's the output of
sed -n 'l; /^}/q' /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/AutoSelect.pm
For example,
$ sed -n 'l; /^}/q' /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/AutoSelect.pm
#!/usr/bin/perl -w$
# This file was preprocessed, do not edit!$
$
$
package Debconf::AutoSelect;$
use strict;$
use Debconf::Gettext;$
use Debconf::ConfModule;$
use Debconf::Config;$
use Debconf::Log qw(:all);$
use base qw(Exporter);$
our @EXPORT_OK = qw(make_frontend make_confmodule);$
our %EXPORT_TAGS = (all => [@EXPORT_OK]);$
$
BEGIN {$
\teval {$
\t\trequire Glib::Object::Introspection;$
\t};$
}$
$
Nothing like that:
sed -n 'l; /^}/q' /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/AutoSelect.pm
\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\
\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\
\377\377\377\377\377\37..
Screen-fulls of that.
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Re: [Dorset] Problems Installing Package on Raspberry Pi
On 26/04/2024 12:19, Terry Coles wrote: I've trawled the Internet and found various solutions, none of which work. These included using dpkg to purge strongswan, strongswan-charon and strongswan-starter, before trying to install strongswan again. I've found something odd. I believed that this command: sudo dpkg --purge --force-all strongswan Should remove everything related to the package strongswan. It would appear that this is not the case, because I still have the following directories and files: strongswan.conf strongswan.d swanctl and swanctl is full of directories, which are in turn full of there directories and files. What am I missing? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-05-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Problems Installing Package on Raspberry Pi
Hi, Our VPN Server at the Wimborne Model Town runs on a Raspberry Pi 4 and utilises strongSwan and a Script called Pistrong to install and configure it. This system has worked well since lockdown when I installed it so we could access the Pis on site. The system works by installing Pistrong (and hence strongSwan) on the Pi as a server and using the same process on each client device, choosing 'Client' in the process. Some time ago this stopped working. At the time i had other issues so didn't look at it until recently. The American Author of Pistrong has helped enormously over the past few days and determined that the problem was caused by the server having an old copy of Pistrong, whereas the client has the latest because I had to rebuild my PC recently. However, a new problem has emerged, related to the upgrading of swanStrong. I typed and got the errors shown: vuser@VPN-Server:~ $ sudo apt install strongswan Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: strongswan-charon strongswan-starter The following NEW packages will be installed: strongswan strongswan-charon strongswan-starter 0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B/419 kB of archives. After this operation, 983 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Unrecognized character \xFF; marked by <-- HERE after <-- HERE near column 1 at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/AutoSelect.pm line 1. Compilation failed in require at (eval 1) line 8. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 1) line 8. ) -- aborting Selecting previously unselected package strongswan-starter. (Reading database ... 42338 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../strongswan-starter_5.9.1-1+deb11u4_armhf.deb ... Unpacking strongswan-starter (5.9.1-1+deb11u4) ... Selecting previously unselected package strongswan-charon. Preparing to unpack .../strongswan-charon_5.9.1-1+deb11u4_armhf.deb ... Unpacking strongswan-charon (5.9.1-1+deb11u4) ... Selecting previously unselected package strongswan. Preparing to unpack .../strongswan_5.9.1-1+deb11u4_all.deb ... Unpacking strongswan (5.9.1-1+deb11u4) ... Setting up strongswan-starter (5.9.1-1+deb11u4) ... Unrecognized character \xFF; marked by <-- HERE after <-- HERE near column 1 at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/AutoSelect.pm line 1. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 8. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 8. dpkg: error processing package strongswan-starter (--configure): installed strongswan-starter package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 255 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of strongswan: strongswan depends on strongswan-starter; however: Package strongswan-starter is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing package strongswan (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of strongswan-charon: strongswan-charon depends on strongswan-starter; however: Package strongswan-starter is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing package strongswan-charon (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Processing triggers for man-db (2.9.4-2) ... Errors were encountered while processing: strongswan-starter strongswan strongswan-charon E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I've trawled the Internet and found various solutions, none of which work. These included using dpkg to purge strongswan, strongswan-charon and strongswan-starter, before trying to install strongswan again. My American friend won't wake up for several hours, and in any case this seems to be a packaging problem, not a Pistrong problem. Can anyone help? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-05-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Synchronise Bookmarks Between Devices Running Chromium
On 16/04/2024 14:06, Ralph Corderoy wrote: I found the introduction before section ‘1. Installation’ helpful. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Chromium Well, that confirms it I guess. Thanks for that. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-05-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Synchronise Bookmarks Between Devices Running Chromium
Hi, Some time ago I suffered a major problem with my laptop and ended up having to do a complete re-installation from hard drive formatting upwards. Everything works OK, but it seems that I can longer sync my bookmarks from the Chromium instance running on this desktop PC and the Chromium instance running on the laptop. The Internet seems confused about this; most searches yield results that don't work, but I found that at least one site that indicated that Chromium no longer supports this feature and I would have to install Chrome to do it. I have no desire to do that, so does anyone have any intel on the true situation? I suspect I can do this by exporting my bookmarks from the PC and then importing them on the laptop, but that seems so clunky after all these years of seamless integration. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-05-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Online Meeting - Tonight at 8 pm
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'll be there. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-04-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Online Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next online Meeting will be one week tonight; Tuesday, 2024-04-02 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. I should be able to attend this time. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-04-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - Tonight at 8pm
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'm just about to set off for the Midlands, so won't be able to attend. See you next time. Don't forget that someone needs to log in to open the Meeting. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-03-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
This should have gone to the list and not straight to Ralph. On 27/02/2024 10:43, Terry Coles wrote: On 27/02/2024 10:30, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Peter emailed the list saying it looked like last month's meeting didn't happen. Andrew told me privately that he turned up, no one else did, so he left. When I popped in later, Clive, Hamish, and Hugh were present. My guess is Jitsi's new-ish requirement for a moderator to open a ‘room’ by authenticating delayed the start of the meeting. Meanwhile, everyone is kept waiting for a moderator to arrive and some give up before he does. Presumably, you're are normally the moderator when you attend and so it's a surprise to the others that it's required and one of them has to finally take it on for the meeting to start? I thought by raising the issue, other attendees might be more aware of the requirement and step in when you're not there. I've certainly opened the room on at least one occasion since the new requirement was brought in. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-03-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next Meeting will be one week tonight; Tuesday, 2024-03-05 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. Unless the forecast changes significantly between now and then, I'll be going to the Midlands next week, so I probably won't be around again. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-03-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - Tonight at 8 pm
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'm in the Midlands this week so won't be able to attend. See you next time. -- Terry -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-02-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next Meeting will be one week tonight; Tuesday, 2024-02-06 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. I may be going to the Midlands next week, depending on the weather, otherwise I'll see you then. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-02-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] How Much of Bluetooth is Implemented in the BIOS?
On 01/01/2024 15:06, Terry Coles wrote: Thanks again Ralph. I'll have to look at this tomorrow, but I'll report back how I get on. Well I've spent about 7-8 hours on this spread over the last two days and cannot make this work. The biggest problem is the complexity and the fact that the method depends on the names used in windows and Linux for the key values, etc, I was unable to find any list that provided the equivalence that I was looking for. We already had a Logitech K400 Wireless keyboard, which operates over a 2.3 GHz wireless link (not bluetooth). Once pugged in the receiver looks like a USB connection to the keyboard or mouse, so I've ordered a compatible mouse. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-02-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Virtual Box Problems
On 02/01/2024 15:32, Tim Waugh wrote: Have you tried Gnome Boxes? It's user-friendly Gnome UI for the 'native' virtualization which uses libvirtd and kvm (or qemu if emulating another architecture). Or, for more options and configurables, use virt-manager which is libvirtd's own UI. Tim, Thanks for the suggestions, but as mentioned, I eventually went for dual boot (which wasn't without its problems). I've deleted my Windows VM now. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - Tonight at 8 pm
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'll see you there. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] How Much of Bluetooth is Implemented in the BIOS?
On 01/01/2024 14:35, Ralph Corderoy wrote: See the Arch Linux wiki. :-) https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth#Dual_boot_pairing It's amazing how I spend hours searching for solutions, and then you find them within minutes of me posting a query :-) Thanks again Ralph. I'll have to look at this tomorrow, but I'll report back how I get on. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] How Much of Bluetooth is Implemented in the BIOS?
I have a weird effect in my dual- boot laptop. The laptop has built-in Bluetooth, which has always worked perfectly on Kubuntu, but failed to be identified by Windows (as reported earlier). I bought a TP-Link Bluetooth Adapter and everything worked fine in Windows, but in Linux, the mouse, was shown paired and connected, but didn't work. I deleted the original pairing and re-paired, resulting in a working mouse in Windows. However, back in Windows, the mouse was shown paired and connected, but no longer worked! I deleted the original pairing and re-paired, resulting in a working mouse in Windows again. Each time I booted into the other OS, I had the same problem. I've fixed this (temporarily, hopefully) by digging out a wired mouse, but can anyone explain what is going on? I tried a different Bluetooth mouse for use in Windows, but the problem still occurs, so I'm assuming that the BIOS is remembering the mouse, but storing its identity differently. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Dual Boot Woes
On 29/12/2023 13:38, Ralph Corderoy wrote: A read of https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dual_boot_with_Windows may be interesting, despite it being Arch Linux. Thanks Ralph, The problem was that os-prober is now disabled by default and so, although it detected the Windows partition, the information wasn't used in the grub menu. I sort of suspected that this was the case, but had no idea how to re-enable it. The link showed me how. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Dual Boot Woes
On 29/12/2023 14:10, Hugh Frater wrote: The first thing to figure out is whether you are running in uefi or mbr mode… Both Windows and Kubuntu appear in the UEFI Section in the BIOS Bootloader. The Linux Bootloader also appears there, but that appears to generate a fault which drops the user into the initramfs prompt. If the former, you should be able to see the boot loader as a boot option in the bios. Yes I can (see above). I'm still reading the stuff at Ralph's link, so I might be able to sort it out. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Dual Boot Woes
A couple of points: On 29/12/2023 13:11, Terry Coles wrote: 1. Bluetooth didn't work in Windows, even though it does in Kubuntu. Maybe this explains the problems in the VM? The machine is the Developer Edition, which is supplied with Ubuntu installed. the BIOS (F12 on this machine) and got back into Kubuntu OK, but when I ran grub-update that didn't work. I then ran grub-probe and the Windows partition showed up OK, but that didn't allow grub-update to work. I meant os-probe of course. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Dual Boot Woes
Hi, Following a suggestion from Hugh off list, I did a clean installation of Windows 10 on my Dell XPS 13 (9350 model). Two things emerged from this exercise: 1. Bluetooth didn't work in Windows, even though it does in Kubuntu. Maybe this explains the problems in the VM? 2. I cannot update grub to show the Windows partition in the boot menu. I've used dual boot before (many moons ago, but mainly between multiple linux installations. I suspect most people start with Windows and then install linux, but I already have a valid Kubuntu 23.10 installation, so (of course) Windows overwrote the existing boot menu and the machine simply booted into Windows with no choice given. I had expected this and believed that it could be fixed using grub-update. I was able to access the boot menu provided by the BIOS (F12 on this machine) and got back into Kubuntu OK, but when I ran grub-update that didn't work. I then ran grub-probe and the Windows partition showed up OK, but that didn't allow grub-update to work. Any ideas? Years ago, I had a tool that allowed the grub menu to be updated fairly seamlessly, but I suspect that has long been out of support. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Virtual Box Problems
Hi, Many moons ago, I installed a copy of Windows 10 under Virtual Box so that I could access the Satnav that I had at the time. My latest Satnav is connected to the WiFi network and doesn't need a third-party OS, so I stopped using Windows. My wife received a Loklik Craft Cutter for Christmas, which is supposed to be accessible from iOS, Android, MacOS or Windows. Neither of the Mobile Apps work because (I believe) of a parsing error in the code to register the supplied Idea Studio Software. This was last updated just before Christmas, and I suspect that's where the bug was introduced. I therefore resurrected my old Windows installation in Vbox and successfully installed and the registered the software. However, I can't get it to work, I think because the image that is being used dates back to 2021 and so is missing a lot of updates. When I try to update it, the machine locks up and when I suppress the updates, it still doesn't work because I can't get the Bluetooth connection to show up in the guest. My next thought was to start again from scratch and install a brand new VM using the original Windows installation media. However, before I do that, I'd like to consider alternatives to Virtual Box. I originally used VMWare (many moons ago), but moved over to Virtual Box when (K)Ubuntu started packaging in their repositories. However, both of these tools have always given me grief with USB support, and it has been necessary to install 'Guest Additions' packs to get this to work. Even then it's a pain Can anyone recommend an alternative? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next Meeting will be one week tonight; Tuesday, 2024-01-02 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. I'll see you then. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Off Topic - Android Advice Needed
On 21/12/2023 10:38, Terry Coles wrote: I think it is fairly clear that it's the App's job to request the access via the OS, so I'll forward that link to Memory-Map. The outcome of this problem is worth reporting, I think. It turns out that the Android Location Services permissions are severely limited by the OS because "Google had a crackdown on apps that were secretly recording users". As a result, Memory-Map had to jump through hoops to keep the GPS receiver alive when the screen is blank. M-M Support had given me instructions as to how to do this, but I was totally confused because of the differences between Android flavours. My tablet runs Android 13, but it is the flavour produced by Blackview and they call it 'Doke OS'. My OnePlus phone also runs Android 13, but it is the flavour is produced by OnePlus and they call it 'OxygenOS'. There are distinct differences between them, and I've no doubt they are different to Google's original version of Android 13. Once I had sussed out which Notifications and Permissions I needed to allow and the fact that I needed to record the track that I was walking, everything burst into life. I think I should mention that I am very impressed with Memory-Map at every level. I originally used this in conjunction with my Garmin hand-held GPS some 15-20 years ago. It was then a Windows only tool, but it worked on Linux under wine and maps were loaded from files purchased on DVD. The newest version is very different. Apart from the fact that M-M Support is very responsive and helpful, the actual tool is excellent. The App is free and comes with some basic UK maps. Getting the OS maps is fairly expensive, being a recurring annual fee, but in one bundle all the UK's 1:25000 and 1:5 mapping is available. One thing I particularly like is that the latest version of the tool (called Memory-Map for All) works on almost any platform, including Linux, so once I had it on this desktop I was able to search the maps covering the New Forest to locate the starting point of yesterday's ramble, plot a route and upload it to the cloud. On my Tablet, I was then able to load the Route from the cloud, and we were ready to go. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Off Topic - Android Advice Needed
On 21/12/2023 10:19, Ralph Corderoy wrote: https://developer.android.com/develop/sensors-and-location/location/permissions looks to be of interest, even if it doesn't give a direct answer. Ralph, Thanks for that. I think it is fairly clear that it's the App's job to request the access via the OS, so I'll forward that kink to Memory-Map. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Off Topic - Android Advice Needed
Hi, A couple of months ago, I posted another OT query regarding tablets because I was having problems reading the very fine print in some magazines. I felt that a tablet would help because of the ability to zoom the text. To cut a long story short, I ended up with a Blackview Active 8 rugged tablet (https://www.blackview.hk/products/item/active8) because it was a fraction of the price of an iPad or high-end Android device and, being a rugged device, allowed me to install OS Maps for rambling. By and large it has been a huge success. Apart from the cost of the Maps from Memory-Map (https://memory-map.com/), I also ended up buying a data-only SIM Card, so I could still access other info when out in the field. Notwithstanding those costs, the performance of this device is remarkable and works well in every way except one; maintaining access to Location Services. As soon as the screen goes blank, the GPS location is lost. Obviously, I can set the screen to be always on, but this means that I risk accidentally brushing against the screen while carrying the device and losing the map completely. Allowing the App access to the GPS all the time is the preferred solution. Anyone who uses an Android device may well know that some Apps have permanent access to Location Services (Google grant themselves this so that (amongst other things) Maps can maintain position when the screen has blanked), Unfortunately, Memory-Map doesn't have this facility and opening "Settings → Location Services → App location Permissions", shows that only three Apps are allowed access to Location Services all the time,"Drive" (For my Garmin Satnav), "Google", and "WiFi Analyser". I need to move Memory-Map into the "All the time" group, but if I click on the App icon, I am only offered "Allow only when using the App", "Ask everytime" or "Don't allow". I initially wrote to Memory-Map about this, but their response was that "Some devices block this". I then wrote to Blackview and their response was to offer me some very detailed but totally useless instructions and then to offer me a refund. Unless someone out there knows how to fix this, my real question is: * Is the Option to allow access to Location Services "All the time" an OS function (and therefore probably of of reach for me, or is the App at fault for not including this option to the OS? If the latter then I might get some joy out of Memory-Map. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] IONOS Appears to be Banning the use of Identities (Aliases)
On 09/12/2023 08:49, Terry Coles wrote: 'Important Change for Sending Emails with Sender Addresses Using Domains that are Different Sender Addresses.' Doh!.. That wasn't the original title at all. It was, and still is: 'Important Change for Sending Emails with Different Sender Addresses' -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] IONOS Appears to be Banning the use of Identities (Aliases)
On 07/12/2023 13:13, Terry Coles wrote: On 07/12/2023 12:56, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Talk to IONOS. If they persist in restricting their service then withdraw your custom to send them a price signal. :-) I've just despatched a complaint and threatened that very thing. Surprise, surprise; they didn't really mean what they said. According to Support, the problem they have is with the level of spoofing that goes on where users use aliases to point to other domains. Once they had clarified this, I pointed out that the content of their guidance left a bit to be desired and suggested that, at the very least, the Title of the original notice that leads to the reference page be changed from: 'Important Change for Sending Emails with Sender Addresses Using Domains that are Different Sender Addresses.' to 'Important Change for Sending Emails with Sender Addresses Using Domains that are Different to the Default Mailbox.' As of this morning, they haven't taken this on board. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] IONOS Appears to be Banning the use of Identities (Aliases)
On 07/12/2023 12:56, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Talk to IONOS. If they persist in restricting their service then withdraw your custom to send them a price signal. :-) I've just despatched a complaint and threatened that very thing. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] IONOS Appears to be Banning the use of Identities (Aliases)
On 07/12/2023 12:17, Terry Coles wrote: I still cannot understand where the security risk lies, so maybe it's time to ask IONOS. At least I won't be asking them to explain something that is obvious to everyone else, which was my initial concern. I just spoke to IONOS Support, who were remarkably quick to answer my call, but also remarkably useless. When I asked what the risk was in using mail forwards as aliases I was initially told that this was the new Policy, not what the risk was. When I persisted, I was eventually told that this was to stop me spamming! Since the alias would point to my legitimate domain, I fail to see how banning aliases prevents me getting away with spamming any more than using the mailbox address would. I now have to raise a complaint, but it looks as if I'm going to have to transfer my domain to another provider and laboriously set up all the aliases again (I have 399, although some of those may well be defunct). Hopefully the new provider won't have the same bright idea. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] IONOS Appears to be Banning the use of Identities (Aliases)
On 07/12/2023 12:10, Stephen Wolff wrote: I don’t think you’re being dense no, but emails can be cryptographically signed and also encrypted. Not sure if you can sign an alias. I'm aware that the *messages* can be encrypted and/or signed with a cryptographic signature, but that has nothing to do with the mailbox, let alone any alias pointing to that mailbox. I still cannot understand where the security risk lies, so maybe it's time to ask IONOS. At least I won't be asking them to explain something that is obvious to everyone else, which was my initial concern. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] IONOS Appears to be Banning the use of Identities (Aliases)
On 07/12/2023 07:03, Stephen Wolff wrote: My guess is if you can have an alias which isn’t (cryptographically) signed, you can pretend to be whoever you like, and as such spam folk as your best friend or worst enemy. I suppose the alternative is to use a mail service like Proton or something? AFAIK, a pukka mailbox isn't cryptographically signed and even if it is, the alias simply points to a pukka mailbox in the same domain as the alias. Am I being particularly dense? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] IONOS Appears to be Banning the use of Identities (Aliases)
On 06/12/2023 10:38, Terry Coles wrote: On 06/12/2023 10:29, Hugh Frater wrote: As I said, I’m surprised that any hosting provider allows otherwise these days. Hugh, Can you please explain to me why using an alias (which has previously been set up as a mail forward) is a security risk? Can anyone explain this? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] IONOS Appears to be Banning the use of Identities (Aliases)
On 06/12/2023 10:29, Hugh Frater wrote: As I said, I’m surprised that any hosting provider allows otherwise these days. Hugh, Can you please explain to me why using an alias (which has previously been set up as a mail forward) is a security risk? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] IONOS Appears to be Banning the use of Identities (Aliases)
On 06/12/2023 10:16, Ralph Corderoy wrote: I think Terry's complaint is he has his own domain name and pays IONOS to host it. He expect to be able to use anyth...@his-domain.com. He isn't trying to use other domain names. If switching provider, these two firms have good reputations. https://www.mythic-beasts.com/hosting https://www.aa.net.uk/etc/domains/email/ Thanks Ralph; that is exactly what I'm querying. IONOS provides the facility to create an unlimited number of email forwards. I appreciate that many would use this to forward their mail to another mailbox, eg personal mail to a work address or vice versa. I have used this feature to create aliases or identities ever since I first subscribed to the company about 20 -30 years ago (they were One and One then). What I can't work out from their description is whether they are restricting the use of all and any aliases or if the ones that they know about from the previously defined forwards are exempt from the ban. If necessary, I will raise a query with their support team, but they aren't noted for responsiveness, so I thought I would seek clarification here first. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] IONOS Appears to be Banning the use of Identities (Aliases)
Hi, I received a message from my hosting provider, IONOS which appears to state that they are banning the use of Identities. Having drilled down through the various layers of their message, I reached the following link, which pertains to users of Thunderbird: https://www.ionos.co.uk/help/email/absenderadressen-aendern/checking-and-changing-your-sender-address-in-mozilla-thunderbird/ In there, it talks about deleting all identities except the default one (the actual mailbox address). Can anyone confirm that they are saying that Identities or Aliases may no longer be used? If so, far from being an improvement in security, it opens up the users to spammers and scammers from any business or website that obtains the mailbox address. For the most part, I have studiously avoided giving *anyone *this address for the past 30 odd years specifically to avoid problems with spam. Have I missed something? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - Tonight at 8pm
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I may not be there myself; we have just lost a very good friend and a lot of my time is taken up with dealing with things that need sorting as a result. If I feel up to it, I may pop in for a short time. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next online Meeting is one week away: 2023-12-05. More details on the day. Terry Coles Get BlueMail for Android -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] TP-Link routers
On 18/11/2023 14:25, Peter Merchant wrote: Does anybody have any experience with TP-Link routers? I see the C50 and C64 are not badly priced and I really want to improve the response of my wireless connection from this PC. I am currently using the Talktalk Sagemcom super-router and speed on a speed test is pretty dire. I don't have any recent experience, But I did have a TP-Link router some years ago. I wasn't overly impressed with it and ended up getting a Netgear Nighthawk, which was a vast improvement. I still get updates for it from time to time. I also think I might improve my wifi dongle and considering an Atheros Ar-9271. Interestingly, my WiFi dongle is made by TP-Link and seems to work fine. However, I only really use it very occasionally, such as when the Ethernet link failed the other day. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] My Kubuntu Config is completely trashed
On 15/11/2023 13:20, Ralph Corderoy wrote: I see the kernel version has changed over time. Does one of these match when problems started? Oct 09 06:27:45 Linux version 6.2.0-34-generic Oct 21 06:49:29 Linux version 6.2.0-35-generic Oct 31 06:45:38 Linux version 6.2.0-36-generic Nov 03 07:10:43 Linux version 6.5.0-10-generic There are several instances of chromium being flagged prior to the big crash, which I think was sometime around 0724 (I honestly can't remember when it occurred, but the next reboot at 0726 stayed up until 0916, when I think I was trying to get my desktop back. To be honest, I'm not sure when this all started. The jump from 6.2.0 to 6.5.0 occurred when I upgraded the system from Kubuntu 23.04 to 23.10. I see a couple of recent ‘-- Boot’ which aren't preceded by an orderly shutdown. The first suggests attempts to reduce power consumption. Nov 13 10:09:05 OptiPlex kded5[2241]: window match: "Bing — Konqueror" :OK Nov 13 10:09:05 OptiPlex kded5[2241]: window match: "Bing — Konqueror" :OK Nov 13 10:09:35 OptiPlex kernel: intel_rapl_common: package-0:package:long_term locked by BIOS Nov 13 10:09:35 OptiPlex kernel: intel_rapl_common: package-0:package:long_term locked by BIOS Nov 13 10:09:35 OptiPlex kernel: intel_rapl_common: package-0:package:long_term locked by BIOS Nov 13 10:09:39 OptiPlex kernel: intel_powerclamp: Start idle injection to reduce power Nov 13 10:09:40 OptiPlex kernel: intel_powerclamp: Stop forced idle injection Nov 13 10:09:41 OptiPlex kernel: intel_powerclamp: Start idle injection to reduce power Nov 13 10:09:43 OptiPlex kernel: intel_powerclamp: Stop forced idle injection Nov 13 10:09:44 OptiPlex kernel: intel_powerclamp: Start idle injection to reduce power Nov 13 10:09:46 OptiPlex kernel: intel_powerclamp: Stop forced idle injection Nov 13 10:09:47 OptiPlex kernel: intel_powerclamp: Start idle injection to reduce power Nov 13 10:09:49 OptiPlex kernel: intel_powerclamp: Stop forced idle injection Nov 13 10:09:50 OptiPlex kernel: intel_powerclamp: Start idle injection to reduce power Nov 13 10:09:52 OptiPlex kernel: intel_powerclamp: Stop forced idle injection Nov 13 10:09:53 OptiPlex kernel: intel_powerclamp: Start idle injection to reduce power Nov 13 10:09:54 OptiPlex kernel: perf: interrupt took too long (3163 > 3157), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 63000 -- Boot ca7b1b0ebca14ef593ca63664a8ef61c -- Nov 13 10:11:30 OptiPlex kernel: microcode: updated early: 0x23 -> 0x2f, date = 2019-02-17 The second just cuts off mid journalling. Nov 14 06:56:28 OptiPlex systemd[1]: Starting update-notifier-download.service - Download data for packages that failed at package install time... -- Boot 28f4f4d1397f4835a7c248aa9505aba1 -- Nov 14 06:57:30 OptiPlex kernel: microcode: updated early: 0x23 -> 0x2f, date = 2019-02-17 I can't say for sure what was going on when the resource hogging occurred in relation to those logs.However, it occurs to me that the one at 06:56 was when I successfully powered down via the button on front of the box, whereas the one from the previous day when I managed to kill Chromium using htop. Is the PSU in your desktop capable of supplying the whole machine at full pelt, including all the peripherals? It might explain the unexpected shutdown when the machine was highly loaded for a while. Though of course what you really want is to stop the runaway load. This PSU is the exact same one that was in the machine when I bought it some years ago (you may recall that you tipped me off that a company in Poole was flogging of computers). I have never seen anything like this before. As far as I can see, the only thing that is likely to be the cause of this is the resource hogging by Chromium. It has never done this before and it only appears to do it when I browse to an Echo newspapers web page with Chromium. I've been trying to video htop when this happens, but I haven't seen the problem since I reinstated the machine yesterday. Maybe Echo Newspapers have fixed their pages of the Chromium snap has been updated (there are several instances of this in the journal). If it does come back I'll try to get a video and post it on my website. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] My Kubuntu Config is completely trashed
On 15/11/2023 07:03, Terry Coles wrote: You might find some indication of past problems with ‘sudo -i journalctl’. It will place you in less(1). There's the date to go by and you can search with ‘/’, e.g. ‘oom-killer’. There was only one instance of oom-killer: Nov 02 08:46:48 OptiPlex kernel: systemd invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x140cca(GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE|__GFP_COMP), order=0, oom_score_adj=0 That is some time before all this happened. I've just spent some time manually parsing the journalctl output for any sign of a problem. There are several instances of chromium being flagged prior to the big crash, which I think was sometime around 0724 (I honestly can't remember when it occurred, but the next reboot at 0726 stayed up until 0916, when I think I was trying to get my desktop back. I can see nothing in that period that I can recognise as a problem, but I probably would recognise it if I saw it. I have posted the output of journalctl at https://hadrian-way.co.uk/Misc/journal.txt. (it's a very large file, but I thought it was worth putting all the recent history out there for someone who might see when things started going wrong). -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] My Kubuntu Config is completely trashed
On 14/11/2023 12:05, Ralph Corderoy wrote: I'm surprised a Linux machine is configured to shutdown on persistent high CPU or memory load. Rather, the kernel's out-of-memory killer will kick in and guess a process to kill to free memory. It sometimes nobbles the wrong horse. Perhaps it sent some vital process to the glue factory which initiated an orderly shutdown, but I doubt it. Hmmm. Several times prior to the big crash that trashed the machine, I observed Chromium consuming CPU in all eight cores and all of the available RAM including swap. I can't exactly remember what the process was that was consuming the most resources, because it was a very long-winded name. I've had another look at the output of htop with the browser benign and there are dozens, if not hundreds of tasks listed (3 to 4 screenfuls) What was clear was that as the CPU and RAM was consumed, the desktop became less and less responsive until I was unable to do anything about it. Previously I have hit the power button at this point, but on the day in question the machine shut down on its own. Could it be the graphics driver in the kernel which is running amok? Chromium will be making it work hard by compositing lots of pixel rectangles. https://superuser.com/questions/1716854/disabling-gpu-compositing-for-all-chrome-and-electron-instances-on-a-mac As with the Mac, it seems the only way to invoke the setting mentioned is to launch Chromium in the console with the switch to disable GPU Compositing. If all else fails, I'll try it and see what happens. The biggest problem I've had is that this all happens so fast that I've not been able capture any meaningful data to allow me to raise a bug report on the Chromium bug tracker. You might find some indication of past problems with ‘sudo -i journalctl’. It will place you in less(1). There's the date to go by and you can search with ‘/’, e.g. ‘oom-killer’. There was only one instance of oom-killer: Nov 02 08:46:48 OptiPlex kernel: systemd invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x140cca(GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE|__GFP_COMP), order=0, oom_score_adj=0 That is some time before all this happened. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] My Kubuntu Config is completely trashed
On 14/11/2023 12:49, Terry Coles wrote: Does anyone know how to repopulate the system-connections file? This system has just burst into life after my son discovered that the Router was no longer serving up an Ethernet connection to the Powerline Adaptors that feed our TV. That was one hell of a coincidence since the Ethernet link was working immediately before I broke this PC and not afterwards. I don't quite see how my actions, dumb as they were, would break Ethernet connectivity in the Router. However, although I had network access, I still didn't have the Network Manager icon in the Task Bar or in the System Settings. After some experimentation, I discovered that it worked if I reinstalled the package plasma-nm. So now, all I have to do is work out why Chromium is grabbing all the resources. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] My Kubuntu Config is completely trashed
On 14/11/2023 11:57, Ralph Corderoy wrote: apt(8) for ‘install’ runs apt-get(8) and that wants a package name. To use that file with apt, you'd first have to place it where apt-get expects to find it if it had already been downloaded. And that place is where locate(1) records it used to be. Or, you have bypass APT and install a file with sudo dpkg -i network-manager_1.44.2-1ubuntu1.2_amd64.deb But it's been so long since I dealt with Debian packages and APT that I forget if this has downsides. If it does work and the network works then you could re-install with APT afterwards. I tried the latter method and it seems to work, except it ended with: WARNING: NetworkManager could not reload connections. I then had a rummage in /etc and found that the file /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections, is empty. In the Network configuration tool in KDE's System Settings dialog is missing. I have discovered a tool called nmcli, but I'm not sure how far it gets me: nmcli device status list lo, eno1 and the WiFi device that starts with wlx. The ethernet connection is eno1 and is shown as connecting (getting IP configuration) nmcli connection status lists the eno1 connections but is otherwise unhelpful. Does anyone know how to repopulate the system-connections file? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] My Kubuntu Config is completely trashed
On 14/11/2023 11:11, Ralph Corderoy wrote: That version appears to be from https://packages.ubuntu.com/mantic-updates/network-manager Thanks for that Ralph, I had actually found that page, but failed to spot the link to the mirrors. However, having obtained the required package, installation failed when I tried to install it. It seems that even when a package file is available locally, apt still tries to access the Internet (presumably to check dependencies). It does attempt to fetch the local file, but flags a 'Permission denied' error. I used: sudo apt install ./network-manager_1.44.2-1ubuntu1.2_amd64.deb but no joy. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] My Kubuntu Config is completely trashed
On 14/11/2023 11:08, Ralph Corderoy wrote: That's surprising. Did it look like an orderly shutdown or did the power just cut? My only guess at a cause is overheating though I'd normally expect that to just cause the CPU to be throttled in speed. Is this a laptop on a hot lap or something with adequate cooling? I think that it simply ran out of memory after maxing out the CPU cores for a minute or two. It shut down fairly normally, in that the machine stayed alive throughout the process, but presumably was unable to safely close all files owing to lack of resources to do it with. This is my desktop. Is that ‘normally’ because the system has shut itself down before? When I said normally, I meant when I had shut it down by holding the power button in for > 7 seconds. This time it shut down before I got round to doing it. Has the machine booted such that it understands there is a wired network interface, i.e. it has loaded the drivers? ‘ip l’ should like the known network ‘links’, i.e. interfaces. ‘ip a’ will show any addresses assigned to them. Well it did until I stupidly uninstalled the network-manager package ;-( A wired network interface can be configured at the command line but that may be a bit long winded. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration If I can find the repository that contains the network-manager package, I can download it onto a USB stick and install it manually on the broken machine. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] My Kubuntu Config is completely trashed - was High CPU Usage When a News Pages Opened in Chromium
Writing this from an alternative computer. On 14/11/2023 09:30, Peter Merchant wrote: On 14/11/2023 07:55, Terry Coles wrote: No Ideas about how to find out what broke it, but a week or so ago I Reinstalled kubuntu 22.04 and in the disk formatting I did it manually and kept my /Home partition as it was, and that worked without loss of data (AFAIK). And it also kept the configuration of programs that had configurations in the Home partition, like Thunderbird. I've actually fixed the Plasma Widgets (I remembered that the config for these is on a per user basis, so I restored the .config/ directory from my backup). I still can't get my wired Ethernet connection working; does anyone know where Network-Manager stores its settings, so that I can restore that file? I've tried to configure it using the System Settings/Connections/Wired Connection 1 but nothing seems to work. I then tried Peter's suggestion. | So maybe do that, completely Uninstall suspect programs and go from there? That would have been a good idea Peter, if I hadn't been so dumb. I should have done reinstall network-manager, but instead I did uninstall ;-( Now I have no network connection at all on that machine. Does anyone know how to get the original .deb file for Network Manager? I found reference to it at: /var/cache/apt/archives/network-manager_1.44.2-1ubuntu1.2_amd64.deb using locate, but it has clearly been removed subsequent to locate indexing it. I can recall downloading .deb packages from somewhere on the Internet, but I can no longer find the place. Does anyone know where the Kubuntu packages are stored? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] My Kubuntu Config is completely trashed - was High CPU Usage When a News Pages Opened in Chromium
Hi, I was attempting capture the outputs from htop and dstat -tcdngmy after Chromium started eating CPU and RAM as detailed in the previous thread. However, before I could complete that, the system shut itself down. Normally, I have found that restarting the system brought it back after a bit of disc checking within the boot process, but this time my system was trashed. It boots up, but hardly any of my Activities have any Widgets left. More seriously, my wired connection seems to have lost its configuration. According to the Internet this config should be in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/, but I don't have a sysconfig directory so no network-scripts! I have no idea what else has happened under the bonnet. The WiFi connection works when I plug in a USB dongle. Normally I am able to restore everything using the most recent backup, (last Thursday), but I don't normally backup the root directory because that can always be restored with a clean installation. However, a clean installation necessitates several days reinstalling and reconfiguring my favourite packages, so before I do that, I'd like to work out exactly what has been broken. Any ideas? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] High CPU Usage When a News Pages Opened in Chromium
On 13/11/2023 10:15, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi Terry, This mainly happens with sites that use a similar framework to the Dorset Echo, (eg Daily Echo, etc) Does the CPU maxing out occur if you visit the Daily Echo directly, ending up at the same story which Google News mentioned? No. But it didn't when I then opened it in a tab. I'm pretty sure that the problems isn't entirely to do with Chromium. Do you have any plugins, whatever Chromium calls them, which might be blocking some JavaScript, etc? Perhaps what remains is not expecting the resulting half-loaded page and spinning in a CPU and memory-consuming loop. I only have one Chromium Extension installed; the Jitsi one that allows me to call a Meeting. Run ‘dstat -tcdngmy’ in a sufficiently wide, visible terminal window and see if that helps show whether the problem is CPU or paging. I'll do that the next time I see the problem. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] High CPU Usage When a News Pages Opened in Chromium
PS. I couldn't see anything on the Chromium bugs list. On 13/11/2023 10:05, Terry Coles wrote: Hi, Is anyone else seeing this? When browsing news sites in Google News using Chromium on Kubuntu, everything works OK until I click on a link to certain types of news sources. As with all Google News links, the website opens the page in a new tab and after as short time the CPU usage maxes out, eventually killing the mouse and keyboard and necessitating a power cycle using the power button. This mainly happens with sites that use a similar framework to the Dorset Echo, (eg Daily Echo, etc), so I'm pretty sure that the problems isn't entirely to do with Chromium. The problem doesn't occur if I use Konquerer. If I can catch it before all control is lost, I can sometime close the offending tab and the system recovers. After that, it seems less sensitive. Any thoughts? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] High CPU Usage When a News Pages Opened in Chromium
Hi, Is anyone else seeing this? When browsing news sites in Google News using Chromium on Kubuntu, everything works OK until I click on a link to certain types of news sources. As with all Google News links, the website opens the page in a new tab and after as short time the CPU usage maxes out, eventually killing the mouse and keyboard and necessitating a power cycle using the power button. This mainly happens with sites that use a similar framework to the Dorset Echo, (eg Daily Echo, etc), so I'm pretty sure that the problems isn't entirely to do with Chromium. The problem doesn't occur if I use Konquerer. If I can catch it before all control is lost, I can sometime close the offending tab and the system recovers. After that, it seems less sensitive. Any thoughts? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Thunderbird identity problems
On 09/11/2023 09:39, Peter Merchant wrote: You are correct about the three email accounts. None of them have any identity other than the default. I have filters that filter messages off to my Local Folders like DLUG Messages. That is what I am replying to now. In that case, I'm out of ideas! Sorry. Can anyone else shed any light? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Thunderbird identity problems
On 09/11/2023 08:37, Peter Merchant wrote: Can anyone suggest a solution. This is on Kubuntu 22.04 with T-bird 115.4.1. I have 3 email addresses on it: petermerch...@hotmail.com p_v_merch...@yahoo.com madsmaddad@netscape,net in that order. Whenever I try to reply to an email, it always puts up the yahoo address as the sender. For awhile I had changed the yahoo configuration to have a reply-to address of the hotmail address, but that just prevented me sending replies from the yahoo address, so I had to change the sender address manually. I have now taken that out but it still wants to send from the yahoo address. Peter, I'm not sure what is going on here. The above three addresses are clearly three different mailboxes, since they are on three different servers. As such they should appear in the left-hand pane of Thunderbird as three 'tabs' with right arrows ( > ) which turn to down arrows ( \/ ) when clicked on. Is that right? If so, then replying to a message that appears in one of those tabs would normally have the receiving address as the sender. However, this behaviour changes if you have any Identities set up in the Account Settings. In that case, the reply would be sent from whatever Identity you have set up, unless there wasn't a matching entry. Do you have any identities set up for any of these accounts? If you do, what happens if you click on the down arrow in From field at the top of the message that you are composing? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Last nights mtg
On 08/11/2023 12:12, CA Wills wrote: Description: Brother HL-L2350DW series Location: Brother HL-L2350DW Driver: Brother HL-L2350DW series, driverless, cups-filters 1.28.15 (grayscale, 2-sided printing) Connection: dnssd://Brother%20HL-L2350DW%20series._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=e3248000-80ce-11db-8000-bcf4d4b410fc Defaults: job-sheets=none, none media=iso_a4_210x297mm sides=two-sided-long-edge Mine is a Brother HLL3230CDW. I don't know if this is of any help but the connection info looks suspiciously long to me and I think Tim mentioned something about the 'dnssd' ? Mine is @dnssd://Brother%20HL-L3230CDW%20series._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=e3' The driver is direct from CUPS but there is a driver listed on the Brother Website; should I be using that? I did. Once I get it out of deep sleep it prints fine and quickly, no complaints. I still have a problem with it going to sleep, but I found that if I open the print queue, it wakes up OK. Any ideas as to what is stopping it from waking up please? I wish I knew. I would expect it to 'wake-on-LAN', but doesn't either. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Off-Topic PPS Chargers
During last night's Jitsi Meeting, I used my new Blackview Active 8 Rugged Tablet. Apart from the tinny speakers, it worked well. Halfway through the meeting, I put it on charge and was somewhat shocked to feel the temperature of the charger when I unplugged it after an hour. The supplied charger is specified as a PPS device. This means that it's a programmable power supply which can be set to deliver the best level of voltage and current by the device, to optimise the charge rate. The device has to be compatible of course and the functionality is currently only available for USB C compatible devices. The idea seems great, but the Blackview charger is rated at 33 W, even though it is physically half the size of the 10 W charger supplied with my OnePlus phone. I feel very uncomfortable with this and would certainly not leave the Tablet unattended while it is charging. Has anyone heard anything (good or bad) about PPS chargers? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-12-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting Tonight at 8 pm
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'll see you there. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-11-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Middle Mouse Button No Longer Double-clicks or Selects
On 04/11/2023 12:02, Ralph Corderoy wrote: The old-school way to test this is to run xev(1), probably found in package x11-utils. Just run it in a terminal window on your desktop. A small window white window appears. Events that window receives are spewed to the terminal. Move the mouse over it and try each of the buttons in turn. You should see a ButtonPress and a ButtonRelease event. Yes. I tried xev first with similar results. It sounds like your middle button's flaky. Consider giving it a clean inside or whacking the mouse into the palm of your hand a couple of times. I tried the whacking solution by accident (I dropped the mouse onto a hard floor) and then tried your method. Still not working. I'm nor sure how to get inside without destroying the mouse, so I think a new one is probably needed. It is a very old USB Microsoft 'Basic Optical Mouse' and the plastic is looking a bit ancient now anyway. I think I won't lament its going. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-11-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Middle Mouse Button No Longer Double-clicks or Selects
Hi, I've got used to being able to press the middle mouse button and selecting text or mimicking a double click. However, as of a couple of hours ago, this no longer works. I recently upgraded my Kubuntu installation to 23.10, but I didn't notice this problem immediately, so I'm not sure if that's relevant. I don't have an alternative mouse to hand, but before I buy a replacement, can anyone confirm or deny my findings: If I run xinput --test-xi2 --root in a console, I get loads of output when Press the left or right mouse buttons, but nothing when I press the middle button. However, I've read somewhere that middle click paste is an xorg built-in function and according to echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE I am running x11. Any thoughts? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-11-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Somewhat Off Topic - Can Anyone Recommend a Decent Tablet Computer?
Peter, I stopped using screen protectors with the advent of gorilla glass some years ago. Obviously, I'd rather have a tablet with a matt screen and a non-scratch surface, but if all else fails... Terry On 01/11/2023 11:31, Peter Merchant wrote: Look up 'anti-glare tablet screen protectors' on Amazon/ebay. P. On 01/11/2023 11:29, Terry Coles wrote: Hi, So I met up with Peter this morning and had a look at his Lenovo Tablets (Thanks Peter). For me, the main show-stopper with these is the shiny screen. I tend to read magazines at the breakfast bar in the kitchen, and the kitchen has downlights, making the text very difficult to see unless I angle the device to avoid the reflections. My wife's iPad Air (circa 2019/20) also has reflections, but much less, so I can read it easily. I would still rather not have an Apple device, so what about the alternatives; are there any out there that don't have a shiny screen? I will be calling into PC World later to see what is on offer, but if anyone has any tips I would appreciate it. Terry On 30/10/2023 13:14, Peter Merchant wrote: WE have had a few, and I have been happy with Lenovo ones. I once had a 10" one, but it was eminently droppable, so I now have an 8" one. I recently bought Val a new 8" one, but it has Android 12 and is a pain to use. I recommend an 8" one over the 7" ones as it is significantly larger. Looking at my list, my tablet is Android 10 and my phone Android 13, and both are easy to use. I suggest that we meet for coffee somewhere and you can have a play before committing. I got our latest from Currys for about £89. Via Quidco! cheers, Peter On 30/10/2023 10:18, Terry Coles wrote: Hi, After years of resistance, I'm going to get a tablet! Ideally it would be one that ran Linux of course, but the main specs needed are good resolution and plenty of contrast. The reason for this is my deteriorating eyesight. Generally speaking, I'm OK with distance vision, but reading small text on coloured backgrounds is becoming increasingly difficult. This means that my magazine subscriptions are largely wasted because I cannot read them. However, I do know that I can read PDFs of the magazines on my wife's iPad and on my desktop monitor, so getting a decent tablet is probably the most convenient solution. If possible, I don't want to spend a fortune, so Samsung Galaxy Tabs at circa £1000 are out, and in any case the performance of this type of device is probably way over the top for reading a magazine. However, I am prepared to pay for the kind of performance I need, hence this query. Thanks in anticipation. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-11-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Somewhat Off Topic - Can Anyone Recommend a Decent Tablet Computer?
Hi, So I met up with Peter this morning and had a look at his Lenovo Tablets (Thanks Peter). For me, the main show-stopper with these is the shiny screen. I tend to read magazines at the breakfast bar in the kitchen, and the kitchen has downlights, making the text very difficult to see unless I angle the device to avoid the reflections. My wife's iPad Air (circa 2019/20) also has reflections, but much less, so I can read it easily. I would still rather not have an Apple device, so what about the alternatives; are there any out there that don't have a shiny screen? I will be calling into PC World later to see what is on offer, but if anyone has any tips I would appreciate it. Terry On 30/10/2023 13:14, Peter Merchant wrote: WE have had a few, and I have been happy with Lenovo ones. I once had a 10" one, but it was eminently droppable, so I now have an 8" one. I recently bought Val a new 8" one, but it has Android 12 and is a pain to use. I recommend an 8" one over the 7" ones as it is significantly larger. Looking at my list, my tablet is Android 10 and my phone Android 13, and both are easy to use. I suggest that we meet for coffee somewhere and you can have a play before committing. I got our latest from Currys for about £89. Via Quidco! cheers, Peter On 30/10/2023 10:18, Terry Coles wrote: Hi, After years of resistance, I'm going to get a tablet! Ideally it would be one that ran Linux of course, but the main specs needed are good resolution and plenty of contrast. The reason for this is my deteriorating eyesight. Generally speaking, I'm OK with distance vision, but reading small text on coloured backgrounds is becoming increasingly difficult. This means that my magazine subscriptions are largely wasted because I cannot read them. However, I do know that I can read PDFs of the magazines on my wife's iPad and on my desktop monitor, so getting a decent tablet is probably the most convenient solution. If possible, I don't want to spend a fortune, so Samsung Galaxy Tabs at circa £1000 are out, and in any case the performance of this type of device is probably way over the top for reading a magazine. However, I am prepared to pay for the kind of performance I need, hence this query. Thanks in anticipation. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-11-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] "Can Anyone Recommend a Decent Tablet Computer?" dorset Digest, Vol 960, Issue 1
On 31/10/2023 12:23, Redhotwal via dorset wrote: On your PDF requirements you could use your County library membership and get most magazines on line free download. If that helps I could send you info to log into Dorset Library concession if that is in your locality. There are only three magazines that I read regularly; the RSPB Magazine, the Dorset Wildlife Trust Magazine and Linux Format. The first two are free to members and I already have a subscription to the Linux mag. Maybe when the subscription runs out, I'll look at what the Library has to offer. I too find reading them on a tablet helps. My Chinese Android 10" tablet Teclast M40 circa 2021 (£100 today) is OK for me but maybe compare the latest screen spec to meet your requirements. Contact Peter if you also wish to try this 2 year old model. I'm currently thinking about a Lenovo, but it would be useful to look at that too. Terry On 30/10/2023 12:00, dorset-requ...@mailman.lug.org.uk wrote: Send dorset mailing list submissions to dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to dorset-requ...@mailman.lug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at dorset-ow...@mailman.lug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of dorset digest..." -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-11-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next Meeting will be one week tonight; Tuesday, 2023-11-07 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. I'll see you then. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-11-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Somewhat Off Topic - Can Anyone Recommend a Decent Tablet Computer?
Hi, After years of resistance, I'm going to get a tablet! Ideally it would be one that ran Linux of course, but the main specs needed are good resolution and plenty of contrast. The reason for this is my deteriorating eyesight. Generally speaking, I'm OK with distance vision, but reading small text on coloured backgrounds is becoming increasingly difficult. This means that my magazine subscriptions are largely wasted because I cannot read them. However, I do know that I can read PDFs of the magazines on my wife's iPad and on my desktop monitor, so getting a decent tablet is probably the most convenient solution. If possible, I don't want to spend a fortune, so Samsung Galaxy Tabs at circa £1000 are out, and in any case the performance of this type of device is probably way over the top for reading a magazine. However, I am prepared to pay for the kind of performance I need, hence this query. Thanks in anticipation. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-11-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - Tonight at 8 pm
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'll see you there. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-10-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next Meeting will be one week tonight; Tuesday, 2023-10-03 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. I'll see you then. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-10-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - Tonight at 8pm
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'll see you there. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-09-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next Meeting will be one week tonight; Tuesday, 2023-09-05 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. I'll see you then. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-09-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Next Meeting - Tonight at 8 pm
Hi, In fact I won't be able to attend tonight. We went rambling in the New Forest this afternoon and only just got back with lots to do. See you next time. Sent from Blue On 1 Aug 2023, 12:41, at 12:41, Terry Coles wrote: >Hi, > >The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. > >The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open >https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug > >Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. >An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one >bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. > > wget >-qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage > chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage > ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage > > >I'll see you there. > >-- >Terry Coles > > >-- > Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-08-01 20:00 > Check to whom you are replying > Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk > New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-08-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - Tonight at 8 pm
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'll see you there. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-08-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next Meeting will be one week tonight Tuesday, 2023-08-01 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. I'll see you then. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-08-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Best Way of Installing Old Version of MySQL Client
Thanks everyone for your suggestions. On 13/07/2023 10:07, Ralph Corderoy wrote: A package manager understands dependencies between packages. You've cherry-picked one package and not handled its dependencies. The executable isn't self-contained. It can refer to other object files of code. ... No, with the shared libraries you have available. But they, in turn, may eventually be incompatible with the kernel if you have to go back far enough. Thanks. I think that I can see the light. Does this mean I cannot use it on this machine without (perhaps) running everything in a VM? That would seem simplest. Yes; presumably running a very old distro to avoid all these issues. Or Hamish mentioned recently on this list some Python MySQL client which he uses. Apparently, that still calls the MySQL Client that has been installed. Hamish, When you built the software framework, what did you do to ensure compatibility between the Pis and the NAS Box? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-08-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Best Way of Installing Old Version of MySQL Client
Hi, With Hamish's help, I've got as far as logging into the WMT Database over ssh; it appears that my keys didn't match. I'm now back to trying to access the database using the MySQL Client in a shell. Originally, I was getting a problem owing to a mismatch between the Version on the server (5.1.56) and the version provided by Ubuntu 23.04 (8.033). I uninstalled the package mysql-client-8.0, and downloaded MySQL-client-5.1.56-1.glibc23.x86_64.rpm from the MySQL website, (there is no deb available). I then used alien to convert the rpm to a deb format and installed it. However, when I tried to run this, I got: terry@OptiPlex:~/Useful$ mysql -u -p -h 192.168.0.25 mysql: error while loading shared libraries: libncursesw.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Clearly there is an incompatibility here with the kernel. Does this mean I cannot use it on this machine without (perhaps) running everything in a VM? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-08-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Logging into the WMT Database
On 09/07/2023 16:37, Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty via dorset wrote: Hmm, I'm pretty sure PhpMyAdmin has a users section where they should all show up. They're obviously working even if they aren't showing up, otherwise the system wouldn't be running and responding to changes in the environment. I guess I was looking in the wrong place. I've just found a list of records that include admin and all the devices in the River System, presumably I would need to add the GUI to that list? If so, what are the credentials in the config file for? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-08-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] MagPi - Python & Robots
On 08/07/2023 16:06, Peter Merchant wrote: I guess I'll have to gt into WHSmith in Wimborne for it. Both grandchildren 13, 12 yer 9 & 7 got good reports on their Python work. You can download the Magazines for free. They ask for a donation, but it's not compulsory. The latest Issue available is June (Issue 130). -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-08-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] MagPi - Python & Robots
On 08/07/2023 15:05, Peter Merchant wrote: Does anybody subscribe to the MagPi and have this section on programming robots with Python? Is it worth me buying the mag? I subscribed for several years from Issue 1 until around 18 months ago. I don't suppose that I'd have the Issue containing the Article you mentioned (you don't say which Issue it was). Regarding whether MagPi is worth it; I found it useful in the early days and I got a free RPi Zero W! -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-08-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Logging into the WMT Database
On 07/07/2023 19:25, Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty via dorset wrote: Hamish, Yes, there are compatibility issues with newer versions of mysql/mariadb clients and the old version of mysql the server uses, which is why the installation spec says to use an older version of python-mysqlclient, amongst other things. Yes. I was aware of that, but was distracted by being unable to log in via SSH, let alone the MySQL Client. I'm surprised the users I created aren't showing up there, but I can't take a look for myself as the VPN isn't working at my end. Can you suggest where I should look? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-08-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Logging into the WMT Database
On 06/07/2023 12:45, Ralph Corderoy wrote: This means the TCP port on the NAS's network interface has nothing listening to it to accept your incoming connection request. This may be because the MySQL server isn't configured to listen on the network interface, or it is listening on that interface but on another non-standard TCP port. Does any existing software talk to the MySQL server on that machine from outside of that machine? All of the Pis talk to the MySQL server through Hamish's framework. ... ERROR 1043 (08S01): Bad handshake Is that using the mysql(1) program from a shell? Or some other MySQL client? The MySQL client that I installed from Kubuntu's repository: terry@OptiPlex:~/Useful$ mysql -V mysql Ver 8.0.33-0ubuntu0.23.04.2 for Linux on x86_64 ((Ubuntu)) It is much newer than the server ( I can log in to the D-Link and thence to the PHPMyAdmin App with these credentials through a browser. From there you can probably examine the configured users and perhaps the server's configuration. That's what I thought, but all I can see is that SSH is enabled for the D-Link itself, but only for admin. For the MySQL Server, I can only see a list of users under the "Privileges" tab. There appears to be only four; admin, backupuser, pma and root. Additionally, there is a record for user and another for password, but both appear to be empty. I can see no evidence of the credentials set up by Hamish for access from the Pis and from the engineering GUI running on the NAS Box. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-08-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Logging into the WMT Database
Hi, Those who attended the online meeting on Tuesday will recall my question about accessing the MySQL database at Wimborne Model Town. To briefly recap, I have been developing a browser based GUI using Flask and (as far as possible) Hamish's Software Framework which manages all the devices within the River System at the site. These include; Raspberry Pis monitoring water level sensors, Raspberry Pi based Gate Valves, plus pumps and solenoid valves which are managed from adjacent sensor Pis. Unfortunately, Hamish is out of touch at the moment. The status of all these devices is written to a MySQL Server running on a recycled D-Link ShareCenter. Using code copied from the existing framework, I was getting the following when the sockets handler was starting: Connection Refused (NAS): [Errno 111] The suggestion from the Meeting was that this was a sockets error and I should try to access the database independently using the MySQL client from a console. If this worked, then I should be able to use Python's own database tools under Flask to access the data I wanted. I tried this, but believe I will have to install a much earlier version of MySQL on PC because the server rejects my queries with: ERROR 1043 (08S01): Bad handshake I then tried to ssh into the device using the passwords that I have for admin on both the D-Link and the MySQL server. Neither worked (permission denied), but I can log in to the D-Link and thence to the PHPMyAdmin App with these credentials through a browser. I have several passwords for the server; one used in the Software Framework; one for the Browser interface for PHPMyAdmin and one used by Hamish within an earlier GUI which runs on the D-Link. Any thoughts on what I'm missing? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-08-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - Tonight at 8 pm
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'll see you there. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-07-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next Meeting will be one week tonight Tuesday, 2023-07-04 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. I'll see you then. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-07-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Email & List problems - Test
Got it. Sent from Blue On 22 Jun 2023, 17:34, at 17:34, CA Wills wrote: >Thanks to Ralph (off list) I hope this email gets through AND I get a >copy. This is a test so it would be nice if someone would do a simple >reply to see if I 'see' it (the reply) so that I can then close the >Support Ticket at Tsohost. >-- >-- > Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-07-04 20:00 > Check to whom you are replying > Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk > New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-07-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Brother printer on Mint 21.1
On 18/06/2023 09:24, CA Wills wrote: Looking at the Brother MFC-L2710D, it appears to be OK for both printing & scanning, I only need mono printing as that's the main use. Any comments please; before I order one? Vicking seem to be reasonable price and give quick delivery. Curry's not in stock when I looked. Clive, It's not what you want because it's colour, but my HLL3230CDW laser printer works well, apart from having to wake it up to get it to work with Chromium. If I save the file as PDF it prints fine from Okula. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-07-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - Tonight at 8 pm
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'll see you there. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-06-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Problems with Email
On 04/06/2023 12:44, Peter Merchant wrote: Clive is back from his travels, but thinks that due to his email supplier having upgraded their servers, he cannot access his emails from Thunderbird. I don't think he can get them via webmail either. Has anyone heard of this problem or can suggest a solution, short of deleting his account and starting again? I don't think I've seen this, but his first port of call should be his provider. He used to be on Talk Talk, I believe, and as I recall not noted for reliability. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-06-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next Meeting will be one week tonight Tuesday, 2023-06-06 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. I'll see you then. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-06-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - Tonight at 8 pm.
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'll see you there. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-05-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next Meeting will be one week tonight Tuesday, 2023-05-02 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. I'll see you then. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-05-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - Tonight at 8pm.
Hi, The next Online Meeting is tonight at 8 p.m. using Jitsi. The meeting can be joined using a web browser to open https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug Chrome or Chromium may fare better than Firefox. An alternative to installing either of those is to obtain an all-in-one bundle especially for Jitsi and enter ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. wget -qhttps://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/latest/download/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage I'll see you there. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-04-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
Hi, The next Meeting will be one week tonight Tuesday, 2023-04-04 at 20:00 using Jitsi. Details are as for the previous meetings and will be reposted on the day. I'll see you then. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-04-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Problem with CTRL-:
On 14/03/2023 09:26, Peter Merchant wrote: Actually it is CTRL-semicolon. I use it to put date in spreadsheets, and also to add date in Libreoffice documents. I think that it used to work in emails too. It worked for me in LibreOffice Calc, but not in LibreOffice Writer or Thunderbird. For the latter two apps, I got nothing. TBH, I've never felt the need to put the date into a document as plain text; I use Insert: Field: Date in Writer and Insert Date in Calc. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2023-04-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
