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2008-03-31 Thread Joe Roth
I've been VERY pleased with my OCF dipole from Buckmaster. 6-80 no tuner 
needed. Handles my L4B and Commander HF-2500 at full tilt.Simple antenna, 
pleasing to the neighbor's eye. Super simple set up. 
Had the Radio Works Carolina Windom. Worked good until I blew the line isolator.
Joe


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After having my current antenna removed due to a
proposed house addition,
I am ready to Install another antenna, but would like
for it to be
a optimum antenna so I don't have to keep
experimenting
ie. fooling around with them.

Would really like Drake users recommendations,
opinions, comments
 for a all band (160 through 10 meter) Antenna i.e.
low VSWR, 
broad band, house and neighborhood friendly, and be
able to take output from a TX4 LB4 MN2000 set up.

Previous experience has been: not much luck with
verticals However
 it could have been my fault as I never had more
than 8 radials,
 and no attention to decent grounding.

A Recent excellent antenna presentation at the
Rochester Radio club 
 talked only on Verticals this was due to their
low angle of radiation.
 Several verticals were mentioned specially the
AV-18HT, However
 no had one.

I know this isn't an antenna net but it's the only net
I use and Drake
folks on this net seem to be very knowledgeable.

Thank you -Karl WA2OVJ




 

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Re: [RE][drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all

2008-03-31 Thread Chuck Grandgent

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I'll put a vote in for the Radio Works Carolina Windom, by far best
antenna I've ever had (compared to the dipoles and verticals I've
had).  I use the T4X barefoot, so no power problems with it.  Can
finally do 160meters, which was a boyhood dream (wanted a rhombic)
that I was never able to fulfill because of lack of real estate, no
longer a problem.

I use it with the MN-4 and tunes up great on all bands.  On 160 it is
connected direct, but it appears my MN4 was modified with a switch
on the back for extra capacitance, I have to investigate that some
more to see if I can tune the MN4 properly on 160, though it tunes up
fine without it with low SWR.

   Chuck, K1OM

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Joe Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been VERY pleased with my OCF dipole from Buckmaster. 6-80 no tuner 
 needed. Handles my L4B and Commander HF-2500 at full tilt.Simple antenna, 
 pleasing to the neighbor's eye. Super simple set up.
  Had the Radio Works Carolina Windom. Worked good until I blew the line 
 isolator.
  Joe


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   Subject : [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments 
 for an all band HF Antennas

   Date : Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:19:58 -0700 (PDT)

   From : Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   To : [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  Karl Corder  made an utterance to the drakelist gang
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  After having my current antenna removed due to a
  proposed house addition,
  I am ready to Install another antenna, but would like
  for it to be
  a optimum antenna so I don't have to keep
  experimenting
  ie. fooling around with them.

  Would really like Drake users recommendations,
  opinions, comments
   for a all band (160 through 10 meter) Antenna i.e.
  low VSWR,
  broad band, house and neighborhood friendly, and be
  able to take output from a TX4 LB4 MN2000 set up.

  Previous experience has been: not much luck with
  verticals However
   it could have been my fault as I never had more
  than 8 radials,
   and no attention to decent grounding.

  A Recent excellent antenna presentation at the
  Rochester Radio club
   talked only on Verticals this was due to their
  low angle of radiation.
   Several verticals were mentioned specially the
  AV-18HT, However
   no had one.

  I know this isn't an antenna net but it's the only net
  I use and Drake
  folks on this net seem to be very knowledgeable.

  Thank you -Karl WA2OVJ




   
 
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Re: [RE][drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all

2008-03-31 Thread Richard Arland, W3OSS

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Gotta put my $0.02 in.

I have known Jim Thompson owner of The Radio Works, since he first started 
the business in the early 1980s. I have reviewed a number of his antennas 
over the years. The number ONE thing about t The Radio Works and Jim 
Thompson: consistency. He builds quality products AFTER he researches the 
topic. There is NOTHING magic about his antennas; just solid antenna 
physics, quality components, and excellent quality control. He can back up 
his claims with data taken from antenna modeling and actual on-air use.

In  1987 I had the unique opportunity to test one of his standard G5RVs 
against a full size 40M dipole, both erected at the same height (about 45 
ft)  of the ground.. Hands down, the winner was the G5RV! Absolutely the 
best antenna when compared to the dipole. There was no formal test bed, just 
on-air testing and the G5RV easily outperformed the dipole.

Six years earlier, at the RSGB HF Convention at Oxford (UK), I was able to 
get 20 minutes of one-on-one face time with Lou Varney, G5RV. We discussed 
his mystical antenna and  I got quite an education. First of all Lou 
designed the antenna as a single band (20M) gain antenna TO BE USED WITH AN 
ANTENNA TUNER!! The fact that it worked on other bands was a definatet 
plus, but Lou was specific when he talked about the antena that bears his 
callsign: it was a single band wire gain antenna!

Having said all this: if I was limited to only ONE antenna for HF work, it 
would be the G5RV, no question. Even at low heights this antenna works 
great. They are inexpensive, easy to erect (just like a diople) and since 
the feedline terminates in a piece of coaxial cable routing the feedline 
into the shack is not a challenge. REMEMBER to use a tuner!!! The antenna, 
while being multi-band, will tune most, if not all the HF ham bands (160 
might be a little tough, but mine would  do it) howver, a TUNER is 
MANDATORY. If you go with an altered feedline configuration (300 or 450 ohm 
ladder line all the way in from the antnna feedpoint to the transmitter) you 
can achieve true multiband performance. Just remember, it won't be a gain 
antenna on all bands.

73 Rich W3OS


|| Chuck Grandgent [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the 
drakelist gang
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| I'll put a vote in for the Radio Works Carolina Windom, by far best
| antenna I've ever had (compared to the dipoles and verticals I've
| had).  I use the T4X barefoot, so no power problems with it.  Can
| finally do 160meters, which was a boyhood dream (wanted a rhombic)
| that I was never able to fulfill because of lack of real estate, no
| longer a problem.
|
| I use it with the MN-4 and tunes up great on all bands.  On 160 it is
| connected direct, but it appears my MN4 was modified with a switch
| on the back for extra capacitance, I have to investigate that some
| more to see if I can tune the MN4 properly on 160, though it tunes up
| fine without it with low SWR.
|
|   Chuck, K1OM
|
| On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Joe Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|  I've been VERY pleased with my OCF dipole from Buckmaster. 6-80 no tuner 
needed. Handles my L4B and Commander HF-2500 at full tilt.Simple antenna, 
pleasing to the neighbor's eye. Super simple set up.
|   Had the Radio Works Carolina Windom. Worked good until I blew the line 
isolator.


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Re: [RE][drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all

2008-03-31 Thread stevebrose
Hello everyone

Another $0.02   I agree with Rich.  I use a G5RV at 45 ft. in a crowded 
neighborhood.  It has 450 ohm ladder line coming straight down from the center. 
 I use coax into the shack and a home made balun where the feed lines meet.  I 
use it with my Drake transceivers.  I can work anything I can hear barefoot and 
tune it to almost unity with either of my Drake tuners.  Real sweet on 20m.  
One thing I found important is a good ground to everything.  It is neighbor 
friendly as it has darker wire and dark nylon support lines so it blends right 
into the background of trees and such.  Like Rich said, inexpensive and easy to 
erect.

I plotted tuner settings for different bands and noticed that it tunes a little 
different depending on the weather but nothing significant.  Lots of rain out 
here in Oregon.

Regards

Steve
WA7EZB

 
 Richard Arland, W3OSS made an utterance to the 
 drakelist gang 
 -- 
 Gang: 
 
 Gotta put my $0.02 in. 
 
 I have known Jim Thompson owner of The Radio Works, since he first started 
 the business in the early 1980s. I have reviewed a number of his antennas 
 over the years. The number ONE thing about t The Radio Works and Jim 
 Thompson: consistency. He builds quality products AFTER he researches the 
 topic. There is NOTHING magic about his antennas; just solid antenna 
 physics, quality components, and excellent quality control. He can back up 
 his claims with data taken from antenna modeling and actual on-air use. 
 
 In 1987 I had the unique opportunity to test one of his standard G5RVs 
 against a full size 40M dipole, both erected at the same height (about 45 
 ft) of the ground.. Hands down, the winner was the G5RV! Absolutely the 
 best antenna when compared to the dipole. There was no formal test bed, just 
 on-air testing and the G5RV easily outperformed the dipole. 
 
 Six years earlier, at the RSGB HF Convention at Oxford (UK), I was able to 
 get 20 minutes of one-on-one face time with Lou Varney, G5RV. We discussed 
 his mystical antenna and I got quite an education. First of all Lou 
 designed the antenna as a single band (20M) gain antenna TO BE USED WITH AN 
 ANTENNA TUNER!! The fact that it worked on other bands was a definatet 
 plus, but Lou was specific when he talked about the antena that bears his 
 callsign: it was a single band wire gain antenna! 
 
 Having said all this: if I was limited to only ONE antenna for HF work, it 
 would be the G5RV, no question. Even at low heights this antenna works 
 great. They are inexpensive, easy to erect (just like a diople) and since 
 the feedline terminates in a piece of coaxial cable routing the feedline 
 into the shack is not a challenge. REMEMBER to use a tuner!!! The antenna, 
 while being multi-band, will tune most, if not all the HF ham bands (160 
 might be a little tough, but mine would do it) howver, a TUNER is 
 MANDATORY. If you go with an altered feedline configuration (300 or 450 ohm 
 ladder line all the way in from the antnna feedpoint to the transmitter) you 
 can achieve true multiband performance. Just remember, it won't be a gain 
 antenna on all bands. 
 
 73 Rich W3OS 
 

[drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
I am still working on my TR-4C. I now have the filter problem fixed and in  
fact have the correct signal going all the way to the 12BY7 driver tube. I do  
not have any signal coming out of the driver to the finals. The tube is good 
and  I have substituted another with no change. The voltages all check good on 
the  12BY7 except for pin 8. It has the full 250 volts on it so no grid 
current is  flowing there. What might cause this? Has any one out there run 
into 
this  problem before and maybe could tell me where I should look for the 
problem. 
 As always any help would be appreciated. Thanks and 73,
  
  Terry  W8NJR




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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread Garey Barrell


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Have you checked voltages on V7?  Is it being cut off in transmit?

73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am still working on my TR-4C. I now have the filter problem fixed 
and in fact have the correct signal going all the way to the 12BY7 
driver tube. I do not have any signal coming out of the driver to the 
finals. The tube is good and I have substituted another with no 
change. The voltages all check good on the 12BY7 except for pin 8. It 
has the full 250 volts on it so no grid current is flowing there. What 
might cause this? Has any one out there run into this problem before 
and maybe could tell me where I should look for the problem. As always 
any help would be appreciated. Thanks and 73,
Terry 
W8NJR







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Re: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas

2008-03-31 Thread John_Hudson

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I want to echo Don's comments.

I've been licensed since 1974, not long to sum and a over a lifetime for
others. I've worked in communications over 20 years specifying, purchasing,
designing, installing, and operating various types of equipment including
HF antenna's. Oh I use G5RV's at home, the Office, I recommended them to
emergency services organizations, and used them during emergencies and
disasters.

However, when I stop thinking that I didn't have the room to install an 80
meter fullwave loop and listen to my friend and mentor George Runyan,
WB6YEC actually building it, the light came on. Remember it doesn't have to
be shaped square, or rectangular. There are many possibilities.

We used 14 ga stranded wire, 450 ohm ladder line, and suspending it 32'
above the ground using old well pipe for supports, the results were beyond
my expectations. No it doesn't tune 160 as a balanced antenna but it work's
just fine when I short the ladderline then configuring it as end fed using
the loop as a top capacity hat. The signal reports on 160, well, the
comments have been Best Signal out of San Diego on 160

No its not the Holy Grail but for my many years of experience as antenna's
go, the 80 meter fullwave loop using 450 ohm ladderline  has my vote.

73's and I wish you all the best,

John N. Hudson III, (WA6HYQ) Assistant Chief
State of California, Governor's Office of Emergency Services
Communications Technology Division, Southern Region
 Overland Ave. Suite 5105
San Diego, Ca. 92123
(858) 268-5436 Voice
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  Standard  size house lot?   a flag pole at each corner, put up a loop,
feed it with 450 ladder and a good tuner.   The antenna you are asking for
is the 'holy grail' for us all, so the best you will come up with is some
form of compromise.  a full size loop or longer dipole type with a good
tuner
will go a long way.   myself, I haven't  been too happy with the G5RV, but
others have been.. same thing with windoms, bazooka's etc. and for me,
these are types for me to tinker around with and have some fun with it.
But
the loop or dipole are simple, and fed with 450 ladder and good tuner,
will pretty much do what you are asking.

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Been very happy with my G5RV... still am experimenting, nevertheless.

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Hi Karl

I have been using a Carolina Windom, that I bought from Radio Works (they
are on the internet), with a tuner and have been very happy.

I use a T-4XC, MN2700 and L7.

73,

George Bennett, K1GMB

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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
I will check and get back to you.
 
 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the  drakelist  gang
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Have  you checked voltages on V7?  Is it being cut off in transmit?

73,  Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

Drake 2-B, 4-B, C-Line  TR-4/C  Service Supplement CDs
www.k4oah.com



[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 I am still working on my TR-4C. I now have the filter problem  fixed 
 and in fact have the correct signal going all the way to the  12BY7 
 driver tube. I do not have any signal coming out of the driver  to the 
 finals. The tube is good and I have substituted another with  no 
 change. The voltages all check good on the 12BY7 except for pin 8.  It 
 has the full 250 volts on it so no grid current is flowing there.  What 
 might cause this? Has any one out there run into this problem  before 
 and maybe could tell me where I should look for the problem.  As always 
 any help would be appreciated. Thanks and 73,
  Terry 
  W8NJR
  




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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
On V7, Pin 7 shows 1.13v receive, 148 transmit and pin 6 shows 250v receive  
and transmit.
 
 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the  drakelist  gang
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Have  you checked voltages on V7?  Is it being cut off in transmit?

73,  Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

Drake 2-B, 4-B, C-Line  TR-4/C  Service Supplement CDs
www.k4oah.com



[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 I am still working on my TR-4C. I now have the filter problem  fixed 
 and in fact have the correct signal going all the way to the  12BY7 
 driver tube. I do not have any signal coming out of the driver  to the 
 finals. The tube is good and I have substituted another with  no 
 change. The voltages all check good on the 12BY7 except for pin 8.  It 
 has the full 250 volts on it so no grid current is flowing there.  What 
 might cause this? Has any one out there run into this problem  before 
 and maybe could tell me where I should look for the problem.  As always 
 any help would be appreciated. Thanks and 73,
  Terry 
  W8NJR
  




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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread Garey Barrell


Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang
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What serial number unit?   Pin 6 should have ~100V R or T.

73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

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www.k4oah.com



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On V7, Pin 7 shows 1.13v receive, 148 transmit and pin 6 shows 250v 
receive and transmit.
 
In a message dated 3/31/2008 3:34:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
drakelist gang
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Have you checked voltages on V7?  Is it being cut off in transmit?

73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

Drake 2-B, 4-B, C-Line  TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs
www.k4oah.com



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am still working on my TR-4C. I now have the filter problem fixed
 and in fact have the correct signal going all the way to the 12BY7
 driver tube. I do not have any signal coming out of the driver
to the
 finals. The tube is good and I have substituted another with no
 change. The voltages all check good on the 12BY7 except for pin
8. It
 has the full 250 volts on it so no grid current is flowing
there. What
 might cause this? Has any one out there run into this problem
before
 and maybe could tell me where I should look for the problem. As
always
 any help would be appreciated. Thanks and 73,
 
   Terry

 W8NJR







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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
The S/N is 34323.
 
 
In a message dated 3/31/2008 3:53:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the  drakelist  gang
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What  serial number unit?   Pin 6 should have ~100V R or T.

73,  Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

Drake 2-B, 4-B, C-Line  TR-4/C  Service Supplement CDs
www.k4oah.com



[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 On V7, Pin 7 shows 1.13v receive, 148 transmit and pin 6 shows  250v 
 receive and transmit.
  
 In a message dated  3/31/2008 3:34:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:


 Garey Barrell  [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
   drakelist gang
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   Have you checked voltages on V7?  Is it being cut off in  transmit?

 73, Garey - K4OAH
   Glen Allen, VA

 Drake 2-B, 4-B,  C-Line  TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs
  www.k4oah.com



  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am still working on my  TR-4C. I now have the filter problem fixed
  and  in fact have the correct signal going all the way to the 12BY7
driver tube. I do not have any signal coming out of the  driver
 to the
   finals. The tube is good and I have substituted another with no
change. The voltages all check good on the 12BY7 except for  pin
 8. It
  has the  full 250 volts on it so no grid current is flowing
  there. What
  might cause this? Has any one out  there run into this problem
 before
and maybe could tell me where I should look for the problem.  As
 always
  any help  would be appreciated. Thanks and 73,
   
 Terry
  W8NJR
 
 
  
  

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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread Garey Barrell


Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang
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OK.  That's Version 1.   V7 circuit is the same though.  Voltage divider 
on Pin 6, screen of V7, voltage should be ~100V R or T.  Likely not the 
current problem though.  Perhaps you were looking at Pin 5?


You say you have signal to the grid of V6.  Is that ON Pin 2 or ??  Are 
you looking with a scope or ??



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The S/N is 34323.
 
In a message dated 3/31/2008 3:53:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
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What serial number unit?   Pin 6 should have ~100V R or T.

73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

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 On V7, Pin 7 shows 1.13v receive, 148 transmit and pin 6 shows 250v
 receive and transmit.
 
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  I am still working on my TR-4C. I now have the filter
problem fixed
  and in fact have the correct signal going all the way to
the 12BY7
  driver tube. I do not have any signal coming out of the driver
 to the
  finals. The tube is good and I have substituted another
with no
  change. The voltages all check good on the 12BY7 except
for pin
 8. It
  has the full 250 volts on it so no grid current is flowing
 there. What
  might cause this? Has any one out there run into this problem
 before
  and maybe could tell me where I should look for the
problem. As
 always
  any help would be appreciated. Thanks and 73,
   
 
Terry

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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
OK Garey, I must have been on the wrong pin before. The voltages on V7 are  
all ok and close to where they should be in R  T. I have a scope (Tetronix)  
and a Freq. counter. I am testing with the bandswitch in the 20m position. On  
pin 2 of V6 I show a freq of 10.400 mhz when I go to T and when I talk in  the 
mike I can see the SSB signal there. Still, nothing on the other side of V6  
tho. No RF there.
 
Terry
 
 
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OK.   That's Version 1.   V7 circuit is the same though.  Voltage  divider 
on Pin 6, screen of V7, voltage should be ~100V R or T.   Likely not the 
current problem though.  Perhaps you were looking at  Pin 5?

You say you have signal to the grid of V6.  Is that ON Pin  2 or ??  Are 
you looking with a scope or ??


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 The S/N is 34323.
  
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   What serial number unit?   Pin 6 should have ~100V R or  T.

 73, Garey - K4OAH
   Glen Allen, VA

 Drake 2-B, 4-B,  C-Line  TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs
  www.k4oah.com



  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On V7, Pin 7 shows 1.13v  receive, 148 transmit and pin 6 shows 250v
   receive and transmit.
  
In a message dated 3/31/2008 3:34:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
 
  
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drakelist gang
  
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Have you checked voltages on V7?  Is  it being cut off in
 transmit?
   
  73, Garey  - K4OAH
  Glen Allen,  VA
 
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   www.k4oah.com
 
   
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am still working on my TR-4C. I now have the  filter
 problem fixed
and in fact have the correct signal going all the  way to
 the 12BY7
driver tube. I do not have any signal coming out  of the driver
  to  the
   finals. The tube  is good and I have substituted another
 with  no
   change. The  voltages all check good on the 12BY7 except
 for  pin
  8. It
 has the full 250 volts on it so no  grid current is flowing
   there. What
   might  cause this? Has any one out there run into this problem
before
and maybe could tell me where I should look for  the
 problem. As
   always
 any help would be appreciated. Thanks and 73,
 
  
Terry
W8NJR
 
 
   
   


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[drakelist] Belden 8421 Low Capacitance Audio Cable

2008-03-31 Thread H D MAC LEOD


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Hello Drakelist
Would anyone out there have 25 feet of Belden 8421 Low Capacitance Audio 
Cable they would be willing to sell ? I am having a heck of a time sourcing 
a supplier of this cable without purchasing a 500ft roll from the 
manufacturer.

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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread Garey Barrell


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10.400 MHz ??


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OK Garey, I must have been on the wrong pin before. The voltages on V7 
are all ok and close to where they should be in R  T. I have a scope 
(Tetronix) and a Freq. counter. I am testing with the bandswitch in 
the 20m position. On pin 2 of V6 I show a freq of 10.400 mhz when I go 
to T and when I talk in the mike I can see the SSB signal there. 
Still, nothing on the other side of V6 tho. No RF there.
 
Terry
 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



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OK.  That's Version 1.   V7 circuit is the same though.  Voltage
divider
on Pin 6, screen of V7, voltage should be ~100V R or T.  Likely
not the
current problem though.  Perhaps you were looking at Pin 5?

You say you have signal to the grid of V6.  Is that ON Pin 2 or
??  Are
you looking with a scope or ??




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Re: [drakelist] Belden 8421 Low Capacitance Audio Cable

2008-03-31 Thread Garey Barrell


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Wade -

You might try ACK Electronics in Atlanta.  They sell by the foot.

73, Garey - K4OAH
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Audio Cable they would be willing to sell ? I am having a heck of a 
time sourcing a supplier of this cable without purchasing a 500ft roll 
from the manufacturer.

regards
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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
It changes when I tune the VFO.
 
 
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10.400  MHz ??


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK Garey, I must have been on  the wrong pin before. The voltages on V7 
 are all ok and close to  where they should be in R  T. I have a scope 
 (Tetronix) and a  Freq. counter. I am testing with the bandswitch in 
 the 20m position.  On pin 2 of V6 I show a freq of 10.400 mhz when I go 
 to T and when I  talk in the mike I can see the SSB signal there. 
 Still, nothing on  the other side of V6 tho. No RF there.
  
  Terry
  
 In a message dated 3/31/2008 4:21:47 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:


 Garey Barrell  [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
   drakelist gang
  --
   OK.  That's Version 1.   V7 circuit is the same  though.  Voltage
 divider
   on Pin 6, screen of V7, voltage should be ~100V R or T.   Likely
 not the
 current  problem though.  Perhaps you were looking at Pin 5?

   You say you have signal to the grid of V6.  Is that ON Pin 2  or
 ??  Are
 you  looking with a scope or  ??



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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
That is what the freq meter said
 
 
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10.400  MHz ??


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK Garey, I must have been on  the wrong pin before. The voltages on V7 
 are all ok and close to  where they should be in R  T. I have a scope 
 (Tetronix) and a  Freq. counter. I am testing with the bandswitch in 
 the 20m position.  On pin 2 of V6 I show a freq of 10.400 mhz when I go 
 to T and when I  talk in the mike I can see the SSB signal there. 
 Still, nothing on  the other side of V6 tho. No RF there.
  
  Terry
  
 In a message dated 3/31/2008 4:21:47 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:


 Garey Barrell  [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
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   OK.  That's Version 1.   V7 circuit is the same  though.  Voltage
 divider
   on Pin 6, screen of V7, voltage should be ~100V R or T.   Likely
 not the
 current  problem though.  Perhaps you were looking at Pin 5?

   You say you have signal to the grid of V6.  Is that ON Pin 2  or
 ??  Are
 you  looking with a scope or  ??



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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread Kc9cdt
Going into the driver... all the mixing is done, you should have a 20 MTR 
signal... I'm pretty sure.

73,
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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
Yes, I agree. It sounds like the VFO signal doubled.
 
 
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Going into the driver... all the mixing is done, you should  have a 20 MTR 
signal... I'm pretty  sure.

73,
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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread Garey Barrell


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Well, that's a problem!

First thing comes to mind is that the Carrier oscillator isn't running, 
and you are tuning to the second harmonic of the PTO.


On 20M you should have 9.000 MHz from the Car Osc. mixed with the PTO at 
say 5.200 MHz to produce a signal at 14.200 MHz.


You need to see if the 9.000 MHz oscillator is running, on frequency and 
I would expect about 2V p-p across R77 at T13.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It changes when I tune the VFO.
 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



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10.400 MHz ??


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK Garey, I must have been on the wrong pin before. The voltages
on V7
 are all ok and close to where they should be in R  T. I have a
scope
 (Tetronix) and a Freq. counter. I am testing with the bandswitch in
 the 20m position. On pin 2 of V6 I show a freq of 10.400 mhz
when I go
 to T and when I talk in the mike I can see the SSB signal there.
 Still, nothing on the other side of V6 tho. No RF there.
 
 Terry
 
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


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 OK.  That's Version 1.   V7 circuit is the same though.  Voltage
 divider
 on Pin 6, screen of V7, voltage should be ~100V R or T.  Likely
 not the
 current problem though.  Perhaps you were looking at Pin 5?

 You say you have signal to the grid of V6.  Is that ON Pin 2 or
 ??  Are
 you looking with a scope or ??






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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
I am seeing about 1.7 or 1.8 v P-P across R77 when the gain is all the way  
up in transmit.
 
 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


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Well,  that's a problem!

First thing comes to mind is that the Carrier  oscillator isn't running, 
and you are tuning to the second harmonic of the  PTO.

On 20M you should have 9.000 MHz from the Car Osc. mixed with the  PTO at 
say 5.200 MHz to produce a signal at 14.200 MHz.

You need to  see if the 9.000 MHz oscillator is running, on frequency and 
I would  expect about 2V p-p across R77 at T13.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It changes when I tune the VFO.
  
 In a message dated  3/31/2008 5:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:


 Garey Barrell  [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
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   10.400 MHz ??


  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  OK Garey, I must have  been on the wrong pin before. The voltages
 on  V7
  are all ok and close to where they should  be in R  T. I have a
 scope
(Tetronix) and a Freq. counter. I am testing with the  bandswitch in
  the 20m position. On pin 2 of V6  I show a freq of 10.400 mhz
 when I go
to T and when I talk in the mike I can see the SSB signal  there.
  Still, nothing on the other side of V6  tho. No RF there.
  
   Terry
  
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
 
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  --
OK.  That's Version 1.V7 circuit is the same though.  Voltage
   divider
on Pin 6, screen of V7, voltage should be ~100V R or T.   Likely
  not  the
  current problem  though.  Perhaps you were looking at Pin 5?
  
  You say you have  signal to the grid of V6.  Is that ON Pin 2 or
   ??  Are
you looking with a scope or ??
  
  



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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread Garey Barrell


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OK.  Bandswitch on 20M, you should have a good strong signal around V1, 
Pin 7, at 21.5 MHz. 


You should have 16.3 MHz at Pin 6 of V3.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am seeing about 1.7 or 1.8 v P-P across R77 when the gain is all the 
way up in transmit.
 
In a message dated 3/31/2008 5:49:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
drakelist gang
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Well, that's a problem!

First thing comes to mind is that the Carrier oscillator isn't
running,
and you are tuning to the second harmonic of the PTO.

On 20M you should have 9.000 MHz from the Car Osc. mixed with the
PTO at
say 5.200 MHz to produce a signal at 14.200 MHz.

You need to see if the 9.000 MHz oscillator is running, on
frequency and
I would expect about 2V p-p across R77 at T13.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It changes when I tune the VFO.
 
 In a message dated 3/31/2008 5:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
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 10.400 MHz ??


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  OK Garey, I must have been on the wrong pin before. The
voltages
 on V7
  are all ok and close to where they should be in R  T. I
have a
 scope
  (Tetronix) and a Freq. counter. I am testing with the
bandswitch in
  the 20m position. On pin 2 of V6 I show a freq of 10.400 mhz
 when I go
  to T and when I talk in the mike I can see the SSB signal
there.
  Still, nothing on the other side of V6 tho. No RF there.
 
  Terry
 
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Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
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  drakelist gang


--

  OK.  That's Version 1.   V7 circuit is the same
though.  Voltage
  divider
  on Pin 6, screen of V7, voltage should be ~100V R or
T.  Likely
  not the
  current problem though.  Perhaps you were looking at
Pin 5?
 
  You say you have signal to the grid of V6.  Is that ON
Pin 2 or
  ??  Are
  you looking with a scope or ??
 
 



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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
With the bandswitch on 20m, I get 5200 khz on both V1 and V3 at the pins  you 
ask me to check. That is in both R  T.
 
 
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OK.   Bandswitch on 20M, you should have a good strong signal around V1, 
Pin 7,  at 21.5 MHz. 

You should have 16.3 MHz at Pin 6 of  V3.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am seeing about 1.7 or 1.8 v P-P  across R77 when the gain is all the 
 way up in transmit.
   
 In a message dated 3/31/2008 5:49:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


   Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to  the
 drakelist gang
  --
   Well, that's a problem!

 First  thing comes to mind is that the Carrier oscillator isn't
   running,
 and you are tuning to the  second harmonic of the PTO.

 On 20M you  should have 9.000 MHz from the Car Osc. mixed with the
   PTO at
 say 5.200 MHz to produce a  signal at 14.200 MHz.

 You need to see if  the 9.000 MHz oscillator is running, on
 frequency  and
 I would expect about 2V p-p across R77 at  T13.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  It changes when I tune the  VFO.
  
  In a  message dated 3/31/2008 5:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
 
Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to  the
  drakelist  gang
 
  --
10.400 MHz ??
  
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK Garey, I must have been on the wrong pin before.  The
 voltages
on V7
   are  all ok and close to where they should be in R  T. I
   have a
   scope
   (Tetronix) and a  Freq. counter. I am testing with the
 bandswitch  in
   the 20m position.  On pin 2 of V6 I show a freq of 10.400 mhz
   when I go
 to T and when I talk in the mike I can see the SSB  signal
 there.
 Still, nothing on the other side of V6 tho. No RF  there.
  
 Terry
   
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 Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   
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 OK.  That's  Version 1.   V7 circuit is the same
  though.  Voltage
divider
 on Pin 6, screen of V7, voltage should be  ~100V R or
 T.  Likely
 not  the
current problem though.  Perhaps you were looking at
   Pin 5?
   
 You say you have signal to the grid of V6.  Is that  ON
 Pin 2 or
 ??  Are
you looking with a scope or  ??
  

  
 

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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
I thought on 20m, it just mixed the 9 mhz signal with the 5.2 mhz VFO  signal 
to get to 14 mhz. Isn't that what I should have at those pins?
 
 
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OK.   Bandswitch on 20M, you should have a good strong signal around V1, 
Pin 7,  at 21.5 MHz. 

You should have 16.3 MHz at Pin 6 of  V3.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am seeing about 1.7 or 1.8 v P-P  across R77 when the gain is all the 
 way up in transmit.
   
 In a message dated 3/31/2008 5:49:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


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   Well, that's a problem!

 First  thing comes to mind is that the Carrier oscillator isn't
   running,
 and you are tuning to the  second harmonic of the PTO.

 On 20M you  should have 9.000 MHz from the Car Osc. mixed with the
   PTO at
 say 5.200 MHz to produce a  signal at 14.200 MHz.

 You need to see if  the 9.000 MHz oscillator is running, on
 frequency  and
 I would expect about 2V p-p across R77 at  T13.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  It changes when I tune the  VFO.
  
  In a  message dated 3/31/2008 5:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
 
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10.400 MHz ??
  
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK Garey, I must have been on the wrong pin before.  The
 voltages
on V7
   are  all ok and close to where they should be in R  T. I
   have a
   scope
   (Tetronix) and a  Freq. counter. I am testing with the
 bandswitch  in
   the 20m position.  On pin 2 of V6 I show a freq of 10.400 mhz
   when I go
 to T and when I talk in the mike I can see the SSB  signal
 there.
 Still, nothing on the other side of V6 tho. No RF  there.
  
 Terry
   
 In a message dated 3/31/2008 4:21:47 P.M. Eastern  Daylight
 Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   
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--
 OK.  That's  Version 1.   V7 circuit is the same
  though.  Voltage
divider
 on Pin 6, screen of V7, voltage should be  ~100V R or
 T.  Likely
 not  the
current problem though.  Perhaps you were looking at
   Pin 5?
   
 You say you have signal to the grid of V6.  Is that  ON
 Pin 2 or
 ??  Are
you looking with a scope or  ??
  

  
 

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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread Garey Barrell


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Sorry   I was thinking 40M for some reason.  That oscillator does 
NOT run on 80 or 20M.


You should have the 9.000 MHz signal from the filter(s) and the 5.2 MHz 
signal from V3A to mix and produce 14.200 at the plate of V4.


If you do this in CW, the Carrier Oscillator is shifted into the 
passband of the filter and comes out as a carrier at 9.001 MHz.  Easier 
to trace and measure than a voice signal!


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With the bandswitch on 20m, I get 5200 khz on both V1 and V3 at the 
pins you ask me to check. That is in both R  T.
 
In a message dated 3/31/2008 6:26:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



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drakelist gang
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OK.  Bandswitch on 20M, you should have a good strong signal
around V1,
Pin 7, at 21.5 MHz.

You should have 16.3 MHz at Pin 6 of V3.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am seeing about 1.7 or 1.8 v P-P across R77 when the gain is
all the
 way up in transmit.
 
 In a message dated 3/31/2008 5:49:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
 drakelist gang

--

 Well, that's a problem!

 First thing comes to mind is that the Carrier oscillator isn't
 running,
 and you are tuning to the second harmonic of the PTO.

 On 20M you should have 9.000 MHz from the Car Osc. mixed
with the
 PTO at
 say 5.200 MHz to produce a signal at 14.200 MHz.

 You need to see if the 9.000 MHz oscillator is running, on
 frequency and
 I would expect about 2V p-p across R77 at T13.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It changes when I tune the VFO.
 
  In a message dated 3/31/2008 5:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight
Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
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to the
  drakelist gang


--

  10.400 MHz ??
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   OK Garey, I must have been on the wrong pin before. The
 voltages
  on V7
   are all ok and close to where they should be in R  T. I
 have a
  scope
   (Tetronix) and a Freq. counter. I am testing with the
 bandswitch in
   the 20m position. On pin 2 of V6 I show a freq of
10.400 mhz
  when I go
   to T and when I talk in the mike I can see the SSB
signal
 there.
   Still, nothing on the other side of V6 tho. No RF there.
  
   Terry
  
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Daylight
 Time,
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  
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 to the
   drakelist gang



--

   OK.  That's Version 1.   V7 circuit is the same
 though.  Voltage
   divider
   on Pin 6, screen of V7, voltage should be ~100V R or
 T.  Likely
   not the
   current problem though.  Perhaps you were looking at
 Pin 5?
  
   You say you have signal to the grid of V6.  Is
that ON
 Pin 2 or
   ??  Are
   you looking with a scope or ??
  
  
 
 


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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
On pin 2 of V4 (6EJ7) I show 10.400 mhz coming in and it changes with  the 
VFO tuning. I have nothing at pin 7 in T or R. Where does the 9 mhz come in  
at? 
That may be the problem.
 
 
In a message dated 3/31/2008 7:15:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the  drakelist  gang
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SorryI was thinking 40M for some reason.  That oscillator does 
NOT run on  80 or 20M.

You should have the 9.000 MHz signal from the filter(s) and  the 5.2 MHz 
signal from V3A to mix and produce 14.200 at the plate of  V4.

If you do this in CW, the Carrier Oscillator is shifted into the  
passband of the filter and comes out as a carrier at 9.001 MHz.   Easier 
to trace and measure than a voice signal!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 With the bandswitch on 20m, I get 5200 khz on both V1 and V3 at  the 
 pins you ask me to check. That is in both R   T.
  
 In a message dated 3/31/2008 6:26:11 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:


 Garey Barrell  [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
   drakelist gang
  --
   OK.  Bandswitch on 20M, you should have a good strong  signal
 around V1,
 Pin 7,  at 21.5 MHz.

 You should have 16.3 MHz at  Pin 6 of V3.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  I am seeing about 1.7 or 1.8 v P-P  across R77 when the gain is
 all the
way up in transmit.
   
  In a message dated 3/31/2008 5:49:59 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
 
  
  Garey Barrell  [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
drakelist gang
  
  --
Well, that's a problem!
   
  First  thing comes to mind is that the Carrier oscillator isn't
running,
   and you are tuning to the second harmonic of the  PTO.
 
On 20M you should have 9.000 MHz from the Car Osc.  mixed
 with the
   PTO at
say 5.200 MHz to produce a signal at 14.200 MHz.
   
  You need  to see if the 9.000 MHz oscillator is running, on
   frequency and
I would expect about 2V p-p across R77 at T13.
   
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It changes when I tune the VFO.

In a message dated 3/31/2008 5:10:49 P.M. Eastern  Daylight
 Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   
 Garey Barrell  [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance
 to  the
drakelist gang
  
 
--
 10.400 MHz  ??
  

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  OK Garey, I must have been on the wrong pin before.  The
  voltages
 on  V7
 are all ok and close to where they should be in R  T.  I
  have a
  scope
  (Tetronix) and a Freq. counter. I am testing with  the
  bandswitch  in
 the 20m position. On pin 2 of V6 I show a freq of
   10.400 mhz
when I go
  to T and when I talk in the mike I  can see the SSB
 signal
   there.
  Still, nothing on the other side of  V6 tho. No RF there.

  Terry

  In a message  dated 3/31/2008 4:21:47 P.M. Eastern
  Daylight
   Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Garey Barrell  [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an
  utterance
  to  the
 drakelist gang
   
  
  
  --
OK.  That's Version 1.   V7 circuit is the  same
  though.   Voltage
  divider
 on Pin  6, screen of V7, voltage should be ~100V R or
   T.  Likely
  not  the
 current problem though.  Perhaps you were looking  at
  Pin 5?
  
  You say you have signal to the grid of  V6.  Is
 that ON
   Pin 2 or
  ??   Are
 you looking with a scope or ??
  
 
   
  
   
 
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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread Garey Barrell


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The 9 MHz comes from V15, through T13 (goes out through the winding 
across R77, through the switching and filter(s), then into T6 (the 
winding across R16) then out via C26.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On pin 2 of V4 (6EJ7) I show 10.400 mhz coming in and it changes with 
the VFO tuning. I have nothing at pin 7 in T or R. Where does the 9 
mhz come in at? That may be the problem.
 
In a message dated 3/31/2008 7:15:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
drakelist gang
--
Sorry   I was thinking 40M for some reason.  That oscillator does
NOT run on 80 or 20M.

You should have the 9.000 MHz signal from the filter(s) and the
5.2 MHz
signal from V3A to mix and produce 14.200 at the plate of V4.

If you do this in CW, the Carrier Oscillator is shifted into the
passband of the filter and comes out as a carrier at 9.001 MHz. 
Easier

to trace and measure than a voice signal!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 With the bandswitch on 20m, I get 5200 khz on both V1 and V3 at the
 pins you ask me to check. That is in both R  T.
 
 In a message dated 3/31/2008 6:26:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
I have the 9 mhz going into the filter in T but nothing coming out. When I  
switch to other side band filter the signal goes thru the other filter. I  must 
have a bad filter. I think it is the upper one that is used in the transmit  
(X) position.
 
 
In a message dated 3/31/2008 7:41:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the  drakelist  gang
--
The  9 MHz comes from V15, through T13 (goes out through the winding 
across  R77, through the switching and filter(s), then into T6 (the 
winding across  R16) then out via C26.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On pin 2 of V4  (6EJ7) I show 10.400 mhz coming in and it changes with 
 the VFO  tuning. I have nothing at pin 7 in T or R. Where does the 9 
 mhz come  in at? That may be the problem.
  
 In a message dated  3/31/2008 7:15:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:


 Garey Barrell  [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
   drakelist gang
  --
   Sorry   I was thinking 40M for some reason.   That oscillator does
 NOT run on 80 or  20M.

 You should have the 9.000 MHz signal  from the filter(s) and the
 5.2 MHz
   signal from V3A to mix and produce 14.200 at the plate of  V4.

 If you do this in CW, the Carrier  Oscillator is shifted into the
 passband of the  filter and comes out as a carrier at 9.001 MHz. 
  Easier
 to trace and measure than a voice  signal!

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With the bandswitch on 20m, I get 5200 khz on both V1 and V3  at the
  pins you ask me to check. That is in  both R  T.
  
   In a message dated 3/31/2008 6:26:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
 
  



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Re: [RE][drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all

2008-03-31 Thread Don
  And this just goes to show the diversity of our hobby, and antennas in 
particular. 
 I have never had a g5rv do any better than a dipole except on 20m, and even 
then it wasn't great.
usually worse than a dipole.
  And I have talked to plenty of others with both the same as my experience, as 
well as great reports 
from others.  I have seen this same difference in opinions on most antenna's.
  So I would recommend that you be willing to try them out, if it works for 
you, Great !, if not, move on
to the next design.
   Things like your lot size and direction, support structures, buildings, 
trees, terrain, earth conductivity,
ect, all add up to make each operating site unique so that what works great for 
one, may not be quite so
good for your station.
  Don

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comments for an all


  Hello everyone

  Another $0.02   I agree with Rich.  I use a G5RV at 45 ft. in a crowded 
neighborhood.  It has 450 ohm ladder line coming straight down from the center. 
 I use coax into the shack and a home made balun where the feed lines meet.  I 
use it with my Drake transceivers.  I can work anything I can hear barefoot and 
tune it to almost unity with either of my Drake tuners.  Real sweet on 20m.  
One thing I found important is a good ground to everything.  It is neighbor 
friendly as it has darker wire and dark nylon support lines so it blends right 
into the background of trees and such.  Like Rich said, inexpensive and easy to 
erect.

  I plotted tuner settings for different bands and noticed that it tunes a 
little different depending on the weather but nothing significant.  Lots of 
rain out here in Oregon.

  Regards

  Steve
  WA7EZB


   Richard Arland, W3OSS made an utterance to the 
   drakelist gang 
   -- 
   Gang: 
   
   Gotta put my $0.02 in. 
   
   I have known Jim Thompson owner of The Radio Works, since he first started 
   the business in the early 1980s. I have reviewed a number of his antennas 
   over the years. The number ONE thing about t The Radio Works and Jim 
   Thompson: consistency. He builds quality products AFTER he researches the 
   topic. There is NOTHING magic about his antennas; just solid antenna 
   physics, quality components, and excellent quality control. He can back up 
   his claims with data taken from antenna modeling and actual on-air use. 
   
   In 1987 I had the unique opportunity to test one of his standard G5RVs 
   against a full size 40M dipole, both erected at the sa! me heig ht (about 
45 
   ft) of the ground.. Hands down, the winner was the G5RV! Absolutely the 
   best antenna when compared to the dipole. There was no formal test bed, 
just 
   on-air testing and the G5RV easily outperformed the dipole. 
   
   Six years earlier, at the RSGB HF Convention at Oxford (UK), I was able to 
   get 20 minutes of one-on-one face time with Lou Varney, G5RV. We discussed 
   his mystical antenna and I got quite an education. First of all Lou 
   designed the antenna as a single band (20M) gain antenna TO BE USED WITH AN 
   ANTENNA TUNER!! The fact that it worked on other bands was a definatet 
   plus, but Lou was specific when he talked about the antena that bears his 
   callsign: it was a single band wire gain antenna! 
   
   Having said all this: if I was limited to only ONE antenna for HF work, it 
   would be the G5RV, no question. Even at low heights this antenna works 
  !  gr eat. They are inexpensive, easy to erect (just like a diople) and 
since 
   the feedline terminates in a piece of coaxial cable routing the feedline 
   into the shack is not a challenge. REMEMBER to use a tuner!!! The antenna, 
   while being multi-band, will tune most, if not all the HF ham bands (160 
   might be a little tough, but mine would do it) howver, a TUNER is 
   MANDATORY. If you go with an altered feedline configuration (300 or 450 ohm 
   ladder line all the way in from the antnna feedpoint to the transmitter) 
you 
   can achieve true multiband performance. Just remember, it won't be a gain 
   antenna on all bands. 
   
   73 Rich W3OS 
   

Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread Garey Barrell


Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang
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Are you sure your Carrier Oscillator is on frequency?  9.0 MHz.  The 
filters are positioned on either side of that frequency and if it's NOT 
in the middle Also check the switching.  You can clip a lead 
across each filter and then do an ohmmeter check through the switches.  
I just don't see that many open filters.  Shape changes, increased 
attenuation, etc., but not that many that go completely open.


Looking at the bottom of the transceiver, the X filter is the one to 
the right of the pair.


Also, keep in mind that the filters are in effect in receive as well.  
Can you hear the calibrator in either sideband position?



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have the 9 mhz going into the filter in T but nothing coming out. 
When I switch to other side band filter the signal goes thru the other 
filter. I must have a bad filter. I think it is the upper one that is 
used in the transmit (X) position.
 
In a message dated 3/31/2008 7:41:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
drakelist gang
--
The 9 MHz comes from V15, through T13 (goes out through the winding
across R77, through the switching and filter(s), then into T6 (the
winding across R16) then out via C26.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On pin 2 of V4 (6EJ7) I show 10.400 mhz coming in and it changes
with
 the VFO tuning. I have nothing at pin 7 in T or R. Where does the 9
 mhz come in at? That may be the problem.
 
 In a message dated 3/31/2008 7:15:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
 drakelist gang

--

 Sorry   I was thinking 40M for some reason.  That
oscillator does
 NOT run on 80 or 20M.

 You should have the 9.000 MHz signal from the filter(s) and the
 5.2 MHz
 signal from V3A to mix and produce 14.200 at the plate of V4.

 If you do this in CW, the Carrier Oscillator is shifted into the
 passband of the filter and comes out as a carrier at 9.001 MHz.
 Easier
 to trace and measure than a voice signal!

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  With the bandswitch on 20m, I get 5200 khz on both V1 and
V3 at the
  pins you ask me to check. That is in both R  T.
 
  In a message dated 3/31/2008 6:26:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight
Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
 



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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
OK checking at the center pot terminal on the carrier balance control, my  
freq meter flickers between 8999 and 9000 khz. When I go to T then it flickers  
between 9000 and 9001 khz. I am not sure how accurate my meter is but it 
appears  the 9 mhz signal is OK.
 
 
In a message dated 3/31/2008 8:06:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the  drakelist  gang
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Are  you sure your Carrier Oscillator is on frequency?  9.0 MHz.  The  
filters are positioned on either side of that frequency and if it's NOT  
in the middle Also check the switching.  You can  clip a lead 
across each filter and then do an ohmmeter check through the  switches.  
I just don't see that many open filters.  Shape  changes, increased 
attenuation, etc., but not that many that go completely  open.

Looking at the bottom of the transceiver, the X filter is the  one to 
the right of the pair.

Also, keep in mind that the filters  are in effect in receive as well.  
Can you hear the calibrator in  either sideband position?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have the 9  mhz going into the filter in T but nothing coming out. 
 When I switch  to other side band filter the signal goes thru the other 
 filter. I  must have a bad filter. I think it is the upper one that is 
 used in  the transmit (X) position.
  
 In a message dated 3/31/2008  7:41:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:


 Garey Barrell  [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the
   drakelist gang
  --
   The 9 MHz comes from V15, through T13 (goes out through the  winding
 across R77, through the switching and  filter(s), then into T6 (the
 winding across R16)  then out via C26.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  On pin 2 of V4 (6EJ7) I show 10.400 mhz  coming in and it changes
 with
the VFO tuning. I have nothing at pin 7 in T or R. Where  does the 9
  mhz come in at? That may be the  problem.
  
  In a  message dated 3/31/2008 7:15:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
 
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Sorry   I was thinking 40M  for some reason.  That
 oscillator  does
  NOT run on 80 or  20M.
 
You should have the 9.000 MHz signal from the filter(s) and  the
  5.2 MHz
signal from V3A to mix and produce 14.200  at the plate of V4.
 
   If you do this in CW, the Carrier Oscillator is  shifted into the
  passband  of the filter and comes out as a carrier at 9.001 MHz.
Easier
   to trace and measure than a voice  signal!
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 With the bandswitch on 20m, I get 5200 khz on both V1  and
 V3 at the
 pins you ask me to check. That is in both R   T.
  
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Re: [drakelist] TR-4C

2008-03-31 Thread W8NJR
Oh on the cal signal, I can hear it in both positions of the filters  however 
it is high pitched in the X position.
 
 
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Are  you sure your Carrier Oscillator is on frequency?  9.0 MHz.  The  
filters are positioned on either side of that frequency and if it's NOT  
in the middle Also check the switching.  You can  clip a lead 
across each filter and then do an ohmmeter check through the  switches.  
I just don't see that many open filters.  Shape  changes, increased 
attenuation, etc., but not that many that go completely  open.

Looking at the bottom of the transceiver, the X filter is the  one to 
the right of the pair.

Also, keep in mind that the filters  are in effect in receive as well.  
Can you hear the calibrator in  either sideband position?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have the 9  mhz going into the filter in T but nothing coming out. 
 When I switch  to other side band filter the signal goes thru the other 
 filter. I  must have a bad filter. I think it is the upper one that is 
 used in  the transmit (X) position.
  
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   The 9 MHz comes from V15, through T13 (goes out through the  winding
 across R77, through the switching and  filter(s), then into T6 (the
 winding across R16)  then out via C26.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  On pin 2 of V4 (6EJ7) I show 10.400 mhz  coming in and it changes
 with
the VFO tuning. I have nothing at pin 7 in T or R. Where  does the 9
  mhz come in at? That may be the  problem.
  
  In a  message dated 3/31/2008 7:15:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
 
Garey Barrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to  the
  drakelist  gang
 
  --
Sorry   I was thinking 40M  for some reason.  That
 oscillator  does
  NOT run on 80 or  20M.
 
You should have the 9.000 MHz signal from the filter(s) and  the
  5.2 MHz
signal from V3A to mix and produce 14.200  at the plate of V4.
 
   If you do this in CW, the Carrier Oscillator is  shifted into the
  passband  of the filter and comes out as a carrier at 9.001 MHz.
Easier
   to trace and measure than a voice  signal!
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 With the bandswitch on 20m, I get 5200 khz on both V1  and
 V3 at the
 pins you ask me to check. That is in both R   T.
  
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 Time,
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Re: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas

2008-03-31 Thread wa5pok

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It is almost all band but my favorite is a 20 meter DEZ at a total 
length of 86 feet fed with 450 ohm line. I would not hesitate to go 
against any triband bean with this on 20. Great on that band it is. It 
worked very well on 40, 30, and 10. I shorted the feed line and laid 
out a few radials for 160  well ... it worked after a fashion. It was 
fine on 80 but it didn't seem to get out the yard on 17, 15, and 12.  I 
solved that problem by building a 15 meter DEZ which worked well 
on 30-10 meters. I hope that gives you a few ideas.

73, Mike WA5POK  343 countries es 9 band DXCC with wire 
antennas.
   One of my previous QTH's  in town had a very small lot. I installed a 10 
 ft mast on the eave of my cape house style house and installed an inverted 
 vee fed with 450 ohm line. The dipole was about 130 ft total length. I had 
 to play around with the feedline length some but was able to tune all bands 
 80 through 10. For 160 meters I fed the ends of the 450 ohm line tied 
 together and tuned it as a top loaded vertical. To do this I also installed 
 a counterpoise. It all worked very well. I want to do the same thing here at 
 my present QTH but currently lack the supports to have the feedline drop 
 near the shack. One of these days I will come up with something.
 
 73, Gary 
 
 
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Re: [drakelist] Belden 8421 Low Capacitance Audio Cable

2008-03-31 Thread Bill Ellis
Wade,

Check with n7ioh. I just bought some from him and the price was fine.He sells 
it by the foot.

Bill, WB9CAC

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Hello Drakelist
Would anyone out there have 25 feet of Belden 8421 Low Capacitance Audio 
Cable they would be willing to sell ? I am having a heck of a time sourcing 
a supplier of this cable without purchasing a 500ft roll from the 
manufacturer.
regards
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[drakelist] B line and TR4 NEW MAIN TUNING KNOBS

2008-03-31 Thread ALAN PHILLIPS
I took a knob survey this summer and had a great response from the drakelist 
gang,  so I decided to make the original complete knob with spun insert 
available. 

They have a 1/4  brass bushing instead of the plain hole in the plastic. They 
also have a Allen setscrew. The black phenolic is high gloss, and the spun 
insert is factory mounted.  

COST $20 each..shipping for 1 or 2 is $2. I haven't seen a new main knob in 40 
years! They look great. e-mail or call me at 630-879-1132 or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
73's Al..
 

Re: [drakelist] B line and TR4 NEW MAIN TUNING KNOBS

2008-03-31 Thread Garey Barrell


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Al -

Cool!

I may be in Chicago (St Charles) for a few days later this week or 
next.  I'll give you a call and maybe we can get together.


73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

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ALAN PHILLIPS wrote:
I took a knob survey this summer and had a great response from the 
drakelist gang,  so I decided to make the original complete knob with 
spun insert available.


They have a 1/4  brass bushing instead of the plain hole in the 
plastic. They also have a Allen setscrew. The black phenolic is high 
gloss, and the spun insert is factory mounted. 

COST $20 each..shipping for 1 or 2 is $2. I haven't seen a new main 
knob in 40 years! They look great. e-mail or call me at 630-879-1132 
or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

73's Al..
  


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[drakelist] TR 7 PTO Wanted

2008-03-31 Thread Lorne Barber


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Anyone have a TR7 PTO complete with gears, dial etc that they would like to 
sell?

Thank you.  Email direct please [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7 3
Lorne
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