[DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM received
FJ/OH2AM QSL for St. Barthelemy received in the mail today. Garth, KW4MM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org dogs_03c.gif
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long)
I agree 100%. Where are the locals? If they decided to make Tennessee a new DXCC entity, I would be on the air as much as Martti was (what an amazing effort). If I could not be FIRST, then I would be first to get the QSL cards in the hands of the deserving. I'd have a local printer working hard on a basic card and have my logs uploaded to LoTW every 24 hours. There is more than one way to win this race. Garth, KW4MM - Original Message - From: Joe Stepansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long) Well, 7O1YGF was disallowed for DXCC because the license (or whatever) was supposedly signed by the wrong person. I'm not trying to start something, but I figure if that technicality is enough to disallow credit, this probably is too. But several have mentioned something I'd not thought about. Let's assume for a minute that FJ/OH2AM is disallowed for DXCC. WHERE ARE ALL THE FJ HAMS RIGHT NOW? Yes, I'm shouting. Were it me, were I an FJ ham, I'd be doing two things: 1. Not worrying much about FJ/OH2AM DXCC legality. I might be a little cheesed they started first, but I wouldn't have let that situation develop to begin with. I'd have been on the air on the first day FJ became an entity. Even with FJ/OH2AM's presence I would have been on 10 (you never know), 15, RTTY, 160, etc. 2. With FJ/OH2AM no longer operating, I'd be pounding away giving everybody a new one. That's what bothers me right now. What is the possible motivation to avoid being on the air? FJ5KH has already been on the air, so it's not like this will be another first time operation. By far, #2 bothers me the most. OK, feel free to question the legality of the previous operation, but then don't keep your rigs cold. Get on the air and have some fun. I'm confused. 73, Joe KQ3F At 12:23 AM 12/29/2007 -0500, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: IF this is correct... if the club call was improperly used... is THIS enough to cause the DXCC desk to disapprove of the operation for DXCC purposes? Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
W2AY..I did consider the facts..and that's why I ask again ..why all the fuzz? They are trying to elbow the FJ operation out of the way (very well documented I may add) and now they aren't even on the air? That is not logical to me, like somebody else said where are all the locals and another asked why did the other operation end when Martii and Olli went QRT? - Original Message - From: Bill Fikis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms HK3CW,nFirst allow me to correct you re: St.Barths hams wanted to be the only station on the air. That is NOT what the problem is ..The celebration of being allowed to put the dxcc prefix FJ on the air before outsiders. The outsiders ( Martti Ollie)came on the island without going thru immigration ( THEIR PASSPORTS WERE NOT STAMPED) They may not be on the air right now, and that is because they work ... They operate radio when they have the free time .Which does give outsiders the right to move in and take the celebration away More to the story... The OH2AM callsign that they used CANNOT... CANNOT be used outside of Finland ... It carries a class C - CLUB STATION category .. Before you say Why all the fuzz I suggest you consider the facts... Bill / w2ay ** - Original Message - From: HK3CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Yeah, There are fighting to be the only station and now they aren't even on the air...so why all the fuzz? Rob HK3CW - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Well ... more people might have worked the second station if they had operated on other bands (15, 30, 160) or modes RTTY instead of following FJ/OH2AM from band to band. Anyone notice that the second station disappeared as soon as FJ/OH2AM went QRT? The whole thing stinks. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Danaher Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:56 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long)
I was wondering when that was going to come up. 7O1YGF was NOT disallowed by the DXCC because the license was signed by the wrong person. In fact... it has not been disallowed at all, as I understand it. 7O1YGF remains in pending documentation status. That is to say that, as would be the case of ANY entity on the list that operation from is for one reason or another difficult or near-impossible to come by, the 7O1YGF DXpedition has been expected to provide documentation that they had permission to enter the country and operate legally from it. (This is the legacy of Don Miller, Romeo, and a few others of that ilk, I might add). My understanding is that this documentation has yet to be produced. When he was still at the League, Wayne Mills N7NG was waiting for any documentation. Do a search on the League web site, you can read his own words on the subject for yourself. While Wayne is no longer in CT, I suspect that the same attitude remains the same. The onus on the approval of the operation rests on the team. Have they nothing to show that they were allowed to be there? But getting back to our current little tempest in a teapot: Was the OH2AM club call improperly used? As I said before, I lack sufficient knowledge of the CEPT rules to judge. If it was improperly used, presumably in error (as I can't see any reason for it to be anything else), is this alone an infraction sufficient enough to disallow the operation? (Remember that the discretion on this lies with the DXCC -- it MAY rule that this is a large enough infraction, but it doesn't HAVE to) And yes... where are all the FJ hams? And I have to further wonder... if they choose not to operate, then what's the beef? 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Stepansky Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:45 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long) Well, 7O1YGF was disallowed for DXCC because the license (or whatever) was supposedly signed by the wrong person. I'm not trying to start something, but I figure if that technicality is enough to disallow credit, this probably is too. But several have mentioned something I'd not thought about. Let's assume for a minute that FJ/OH2AM is disallowed for DXCC. WHERE ARE ALL THE FJ HAMS RIGHT NOW? Yes, I'm shouting. Were it me, were I an FJ ham, I'd be doing two things: 1. Not worrying much about FJ/OH2AM DXCC legality. I might be a little cheesed they started first, but I wouldn't have let that situation develop to begin with. I'd have been on the air on the first day FJ became an entity. Even with FJ/OH2AM's presence I would have been on 10 (you never know), 15, RTTY, 160, etc. 2. With FJ/OH2AM no longer operating, I'd be pounding away giving everybody a new one. That's what bothers me right now. What is the possible motivation to avoid being on the air? FJ5KH has already been on the air, so it's not like this will be another first time operation. By far, #2 bothers me the most. OK, feel free to question the legality of the previous operation, but then don't keep your rigs cold. Get on the air and have some fun. I'm confused. 73, Joe KQ3F At 12:23 AM 12/29/2007 -0500, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: IF this is correct... if the club call was improperly used... is THIS enough to cause the DXCC desk to disapprove of the operation for DXCC purposes? Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long)
WHERE ARE ALL THE FJ HAMS RIGHT NOW? I think we can assume that the FJs that live on the island are not DXers, and probably could not handel the resulting pile-ups. Win, W0LZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long)
I think it's really up to the licensing authority for FJ (the French I believe) to decide if the use of the CEPT licence is valid in this case. Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long) I was wondering when that was going to come up. 7O1YGF was NOT disallowed by the DXCC because the license was signed by the wrong person. In fact... it has not been disallowed at all, as I understand it. 7O1YGF remains in pending documentation status. That is to say that, as would be the case of ANY entity on the list that operation from is for one reason or another difficult or near-impossible to come by, the 7O1YGF DXpedition has been expected to provide documentation that they had permission to enter the country and operate legally from it. (This is the legacy of Don Miller, Romeo, and a few others of that ilk, I might add). My understanding is that this documentation has yet to be produced. When he was still at the League, Wayne Mills N7NG was waiting for any documentation. Do a search on the League web site, you can read his own words on the subject for yourself. While Wayne is no longer in CT, I suspect that the same attitude remains the same. The onus on the approval of the operation rests on the team. Have they nothing to show that they were allowed to be there? But getting back to our current little tempest in a teapot: Was the OH2AM club call improperly used? As I said before, I lack sufficient knowledge of the CEPT rules to judge. If it was improperly used, presumably in error (as I can't see any reason for it to be anything else), is this alone an infraction sufficient enough to disallow the operation? (Remember that the discretion on this lies with the DXCC -- it MAY rule that this is a large enough infraction, but it doesn't HAVE to) And yes... where are all the FJ hams? And I have to further wonder... if they choose not to operate, then what's the beef? 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Stepansky Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:45 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long) Well, 7O1YGF was disallowed for DXCC because the license (or whatever) was supposedly signed by the wrong person. I'm not trying to start something, but I figure if that technicality is enough to disallow credit, this probably is too. But several have mentioned something I'd not thought about. Let's assume for a minute that FJ/OH2AM is disallowed for DXCC. WHERE ARE ALL THE FJ HAMS RIGHT NOW? Yes, I'm shouting. Were it me, were I an FJ ham, I'd be doing two things: 1. Not worrying much about FJ/OH2AM DXCC legality. I might be a little cheesed they started first, but I wouldn't have let that situation develop to begin with. I'd have been on the air on the first day FJ became an entity. Even with FJ/OH2AM's presence I would have been on 10 (you never know), 15, RTTY, 160, etc. 2. With FJ/OH2AM no longer operating, I'd be pounding away giving everybody a new one. That's what bothers me right now. What is the possible motivation to avoid being on the air? FJ5KH has already been on the air, so it's not like this will be another first time operation. By far, #2 bothers me the most. OK, feel free to question the legality of the previous operation, but then don't keep your rigs cold. Get on the air and have some fun. I'm confused. 73, Joe KQ3F At 12:23 AM 12/29/2007 -0500, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: IF this is correct... if the club call was improperly used... is THIS enough to cause the DXCC desk to disapprove of the operation for DXCC purposes? Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long)
If that's true, there should be no complaint about the other operation. John K5MO At 11:24 AM 12/29/2007, Win wrote: WHERE ARE ALL THE FJ HAMS RIGHT NOW? I think we can assume that the FJs that live on the island are not DXers, and probably could not handel the resulting pile-ups. Win, W0LZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long)
7O1YGF remains in pending documentation status. As is, at least for me, ZB2/4O3AL. I fail to understand, if an operation is legitimate, why the operator(s) are reluctant to send documentation? HNY to all C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long)
Remember VK0LD/VK0MM? When he first went on the air in 1999, at least one third party sent a routine query to the DXCC desk regarding the legitimacy of the operation from Macquarie. The third party received back a standard we have to see documentation reply. This was then relayed to Alan, copied via another DX reflector. But it was done in such a way as to imply that the ARRL was demanding immediate response with copies of license etc. In other words, someone just HAD to stir up trouble by putting a nasty slant on things. Of course, there were plenty of people to chime in on both sides of the issue and escalate the temperature up a few notches. And sure enough, Alan got very angry and responded in kind that since HE was the licensing authority at the time on the island, he didn't need to provide proof to any third party and they could go pound salt. (Well, that's not EXACTLY what he said, but this is a family reflector) The matter was sorted out in short order, but the whole incident was completely unneccesary and only served to get a few twisted individuals a momentary cheap thrill. But that's one reason that some legit ops don't like being asked to provide documentation. The reality is that the days where Don Miller and his World Wide Propagation Study could just suddenly announce that he was now QRV from Pongo Bongo Reef, and his word as an Amateur Radio Operator was good enough to accept that he was there, is long gone. (In large part because of Don Miller, and Romeo and his North Korea and Burma ops, and a small handful of others). Now mix into that some governments who have complained about illegal operations -- some of which may be due to a change of politics following a change of administration, ie 9U a few years back; or our public servants at the US FWS who are hell bent on keeping US citizens off of certain FWS administered islands, hams or not, and whom have demanded that the ARRL remove their islands from the DXCC entity ranks -- and it's little wonder that we have to live with these aggravations these days. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shelby Summerville Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 1:39 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long) 7O1YGF remains in pending documentation status. As is, at least for me, ZB2/4O3AL. I fail to understand, if an operation is legitimate, why the operator(s) are reluctant to send documentation? HNY to all C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long)
Shelby: This topic gets regurgetated periodically and the answer will be the same as before. Froom Hans (DK9KXA or DK9XX?) who was part of the group that went there: No documentation was sent to DXCC because they never got actual paper confirmation of permission to operate there. They had verbal permission. Written permission has be be obtained directly from the Ministry of PTT. In spite of numerous letters, the Ministry of PTT would not send the written documentation to back up their verbal permission. As far as I know, that is still the case. They did their operation in Sanaa, in plain sight and with the knowledge of the local chief of secret police who monitored their opertion and did not complain. They had substantial antenna systems installed which made it very obvious what was going on. It was 400 yards away from the HB9 and DL embassies. After 9 days of operation and 35K QSO's, they were asked to cease operation and leave the country which is what they did. No one was arrested and no equipment was confiscated. The beef is with the Ministry of PTT for failure to back up their verbal permission with the ARRL required documentation and until they do, it will not be recognized by DXCC. Per Hans, the operation was stopped because a ham radio group complained about it and caused its demise. They know who the people are. The DXpedition group is not to blame. They had every reason to believe that they had proper permission for the operation. John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: Shelby Summerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7O1YGF remains in pending documentation status. As is, at least for me, ZB2/4O3AL. I fail to understand, if an operation is legitimate, why the operator(s) are reluctant to send documentation? HNY to all C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long)
Ron Notarius W3WN a écrit : Then there's the matter of the use of the OH2AM call itself. Now, on this matter, I'm on shakier ground since I'm not extremely familiar with the CEPT regulations. But the implications in the letter of criminal offenses bother me on several levels. Here in the US, there's a difference, often a big difference, between minor (misdemeanor) and major (felony) infractions. Well, in France we have three levels of infractions: contraventions (driving over speed limit)=you get fined; délits (you steel something)=you can go to prison 10 years, and crimes (you kill someone)=you can go to prison more than 10 years. Violating the amateur rules worth up to 6 monthes of prison and 3EUR, so it's not criminal. In the french version of his letter, F6GOX wrote délictuel, not criminel. IF this is correct... if the club call was improperly used... is THIS enough to cause the DXCC desk to disapprove of the operation for DXCC purposes? I don't know the answer to that... only Bill Moore NC1L can ultimately answer that. I guess VE6LB summed it up well when he wrote I think it's really up to the licensing authority for FJ (the French I believe) to decide if the use of the CEPT licence is valid in this case. My opinion is that french authorities will not do anything, as they do not enforce amateur radio rules. Which starts to move into the second major issue. Why is this controversy being raised at all? Well.. I don't want to write a long post too. When you come to operate a foreign place that has local hams, you CAN contact them, meet them, greet them, drink a beer with them. I don't mean you HAVE to, but you CAN. That's good manners. DXCC does not list good manners as accreditation criteria. To be the first, the finnish decided NOT to tell the locals about their plan. They decided to play only with compulsory rules, not with good manners. As a result, nobody attacks them on their manners. They are attacked on their playground, rules, BECAUSE of manners they didn't follow. Let's look at some history, or at least as much as we know. The French Ministry decreed that St. Barthelemy become an Overseas Collective on February 21. [...] And this was the effective date of this decree No. The law itself tells it will be effective after the newly elected territorial council meets for the first time. It has been elected on July 8 and met on July 15, so July 15 is the date the Feb. 21 law came into effect. The new oversea collectivity did not exist before. Now one can argue that the date that the entity came into being was February 21 and that the addition to the entity list should be backdated accordingly. Not only we can, but no one should agree !! Let's read the 1.c criteria (under which FJ has been created) (short form by myself): c) The Entity [...] is administered by a local government [...]. To satisfy [this] criteria of this sub-section, an Entity must be listed [...] So.. To satisfy, it MUST be listed. Or.. if it's NOT listed, it does NOT satisfy. Was St Barthelemy listed before December 14 ? No. So did St Barthelemy satisfied before December 14 ? -- Laurent Ferracci Blog radio http://www.ferracci.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
My log shows it to have been P51BH. John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: Ronald Loneker Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wasn't that the call used in P5/OH2AM ?? GERRY wrote: It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. call name address zip city class @sral.fi email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AM OH-DX-Ring Ry PL 73 02381 ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - *From:* Zack Widup *To:* dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM *Subject:* RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Ronald Loneker Sr.- KA2BZS #1DXCC Honor Roll - 9BDXCC A-1 Op - QCWA http://www.cwforever.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Fwd: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
The envy fills the damned can. Welcome into 21-st Century Hamming. 73, Vic Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: Fwd: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Ah, the season of Good Will To All Men from some of our friends across the English Channel again, I see. Yes, Victor - envy abounds in the minds of some. Still, it does help if people read the rules first! I'm sure that Martti and Olli did, but more fool them if they didn't. Look on the bright side - at least it's not VK0H or BS7 that they'll disqualify this time! We'll see. Dave Victor Goncharsky US5WE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The envy fills the damned can. Welcome into 21-st Century Hamming. 73, Vic Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Well ... more people might have worked the second station if they had operated on other bands (15, 30, 160) or modes RTTY instead of following FJ/OH2AM from band to band. Anyone notice that the second station disappeared as soon as FJ/OH2AM went QRT? The whole thing stinks. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Danaher Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:56 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Yeah, There are fighting to be the only station and now they aren't even on the air...so why all the fuzz? Rob HK3CW - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Well ... more people might have worked the second station if they had operated on other bands (15, 30, 160) or modes RTTY instead of following FJ/OH2AM from band to band. Anyone notice that the second station disappeared as soon as FJ/OH2AM went QRT? The whole thing stinks. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Danaher Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:56 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
I don't know. Martti and Olli wanted to give DX'ers a first QSO with FJ, not let everyone fill in all the band/modes they could. It wasn't an end-all DXpedition and I deferred to only one QSO with them, on 40 CW, in respect to everyone else who wanted a QSO. FJ is a beautiful tourist island. It is not difficult to get to. Heck, when I was there, Henry Kissinger's yacht was moored in Gustavia. There will be lots of other operations from there. I'm surprised the resident hams aren't going all-out to give everyone more band/modes with the island. 73, Zack W9SZ On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, HK3CW wrote: Yeah, There are fighting to be the only station and now they aren't even on the air...so why all the fuzz? Rob HK3CW - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Well ... more people might have worked the second station if they had operated on other bands (15, 30, 160) or modes RTTY instead of following FJ/OH2AM from band to band. Anyone notice that the second station disappeared as soon as FJ/OH2AM went QRT? The whole thing stinks. 73, ... Joe, W4TV Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:05 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Speaking about FJ, H boy, this is about to get interesting http://arp75.free.fr/Lettreaucomitedxcc_english.pdf All I can say, I'm glad FH5KH was QRV also. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Question 1. Why did Martti not use his own call? Question 2. Is there just a thing as a written license for CEPT. If you go to Canada, you don't get a written license to operate VE3/W3WN. Question 3. So where are all the native FJ ops? Not on the air. Barry W2UP Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:05 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Speaking about FJ, H boy, this is about to get interesting http://arp75.free.fr/Lettreaucomitedxcc_english.pdf All I can say, I'm glad FH5KH was QRV also. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. call name address zip city class @sral.fi email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AM OH-DX-Ring Ry PL 73 02381 ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Wouldn't it be what type of license FJ allowed, not OH ??? Bill - Original Message - From: GERRY To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. call name address zip city class @sral.fi email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AM OH-DX-Ring Ry PL 73 02381 ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Wasn't that the call used in P5/OH2AM ?? GERRY wrote: It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. call name address zip city class @sral.fi email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AM OH-DX-Ring Ry PL 73 02381 ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - *From:* Zack Widup mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* dx-chat@njdxa.org mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM *Subject:* RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Ronald Loneker Sr.- KA2BZS #1DXCC Honor Roll - 9BDXCC A-1 Op - QCWA http://www.cwforever.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Yes. The CEPT license will allow any OH with a license class L, P, T, Y to operate in any CEPT country including FJ. Of course BOTH OPERATORS hold class Y licenses. It also appears that one of the operators may, in fact be trustee of the club callsign used. What's the beef other than a case of sour grapes from a few Frenchmen who were too late to the party and missed le nouvelle Beaujolais? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GERRY Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:17 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Bill, Yes. The CEPT license will allow any OH with a license class L, P, T, Y to operate in any CEPT country including FJ. There is no mention of the C class OH license. It's certainly one for the DXCC Desk to sort out. Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Bill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Wouldn't it be what type of license FJ allowed, not OH ??? Bill - Original Message - From: GERRY To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AMOH-DX-Ring RyPL 7302381ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=; class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http
[DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long)
Before I say anything, if I come across a touch cranky, I apologize in advance. Had a family event run late, which caused me to miss a small social event at W3WH's QTH; worse, my geriatric dog left me an unwelcome present, the less said about that the better... Ahem. It seems to me that, after taking a step back and giving the matter some thought, we have two separate but inter-related major issues here. First, the issue of the legitimacy (for DXCC purposes) of the FJ/OH2AM operation. Many of the issues appear, IMHO, to be at best trivial or technical (or both) in nature. But let's look at some of them anyway. The matter of how Martti and Olli arrived on the island strikes me as somewhat irrelevant, especially in view of statements from others on this reflector and others about how strict access is -- or isn't. Since that issue wasn't raised in the F6GOX/FJ5BL letter, which implies there wasn't much if anything to the original gripe, we can probably forget about this. Then there's the matter of the use of the OH2AM call itself. Now, on this matter, I'm on shakier ground since I'm not extremely familiar with the CEPT regulations. But the implications in the letter of criminal offenses bother me on several levels. Here in the US, there's a difference, often a big difference, between minor (misdemeanor) and major (felony) infractions. To my mind, criminal is usually close to synonymous with felony. Somehow, using a club call for operating -- a club call that the trustee was operating, amongst others -- just doesn't rise to the felony level. Which is not to say that if the indicated CEPT regulations are valid, the use of the club call may have been a mistake. Now, many of you know Martti personally, probably better than I (I'm still impressed that the man remembers my call, but that's another story). He's one of the top DX'ers in the world -- possibly THE top DX'er at present. One of the reasons for this is that the man is known as a meticulous planner. Few if any details miss his attention; that's why he's one of the best. Is it possible that he simply overlooked the CEPT reciprocity regulations on club calls? Sure. It's possible. A few days ago, I would add but unlikely. But no one's perfect. And it is not unreasonable that he and Olli may have simply assumed that since CEPT covered their personal calls, the club call was also covered. Or, they may have checked with someone who was supposed to be familiar with the details of the regulation, and were incorrectly informed that CEPT covered the club call too. The preceding paragraph is assuming on my end that the implication in the F6GOX letter, that club calls are NOT covered under CEPT, is correct. Let me be clear that I am NOT stating this as a fact. I honestly don't know. IF this is correct... if the club call was improperly used... is THIS enough to cause the DXCC desk to disapprove of the operation for DXCC purposes? I don't know the answer to that... only Bill Moore NC1L can ultimately answer that. I've met the man several times and corresponded with him on other issues; I have no doubt that he's an honest man who will make the best decision that he can. Now regardless of what his decision is, there will be controvery -- the proverbial can of worms. If the operation is disallowed, you will hear one group complaining about a minor triviality. If it is allowed, you will hear another group counter-complaining that it was only approved because it is Martti, and Martti Can Do No Wrong. So I don't envy Bill or the rest of the DXCC staff on this one -- anything they do, someone will cry foul. Which starts to move into the second major issue. Why is this controversy being raised at all? Some will say that it's because Those Who Believe In The Purity of DXCC are just trying to be fair. If you believe that, we have to get back to discussing the price of that beachfront property in Arizona you're buying from me again. Sorry, but I feel that (as I mentioned in an earlier post) that this is another application of NIMBY -- Not In My Back Yard -- Syndrome. In other words... it comes across as sour grapes from some of the FJ hams. Let's look at some history, or at least as much as we know. The French Ministry decreed that St. Barthelemy become an Overseas Collective on February 21. (And how many knew of this at the time? I dimly remember hearing something about the possibility... but contrast that with the developing situation regarding political changes in the Netherlands Antilles, which we've all been aware of for many months now). And this was the effective date of this decree, so this had been in the works for awhile. Nothing appears to have happened until July 2, when the US State Department first proposed that their list of Dependencies and Areas of Special Sovereignty be updated. The next time something happened was when FJ5DX petitioned the DXCC Desk on November 8. Again, something that happened quietly. It wasn't
[DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Speaking about FJ, H boy, this is about to get interesting http://arp75.free.fr/Lettreaucomitedxcc_english.pdf All I can say, I'm glad FH5KH was QRV also. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: Word is that they're using an FT-1000MP and an FT-2000MP. They have an amp (a Fin Fet which I've never heard of before). And their antenna system is all verticals. Sounds like something custom made for Martti? You sure it's not Finn FET? :-) --- This is a very wellknown amplifier, lightweight and pretty much state-of-the-art manufactured by veteran DX-epditioneer Pekka's company. 73 and MX Rag LA5HE -- Jeg bruker gratisversjonen av SPAMfighter for privatbrukere. Den har fjernet 1814 soppelpostmeldinger til na. Betalende brukere har ikke denne meldingen i e-postene sine. Fa tak i SPAMfighter gratis her: http://www.spamfighter.com/lno Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orgattachment: winmail.dat
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals
LA5HE Ragnar Otterstad wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: Word is that they're using an FT-1000MP and an FT-2000MP. They have an amp (a Fin Fet which I've never heard of before). And their antenna system is all verticals. Sounds like something custom made for Martti? You sure it's not Finn FET? :-) --- This is a very wellknown amplifier, lightweight and pretty much state-of-the-art manufactured by veteran DX-epditioneer Pekka's company. 73 and MX Rag LA5HE Finn Fet has been around for years. They used to have a web site, but I can't find it now. I bought my first Acom amp from them in the late 90s, prior to there being a US distributor. Barry W2UP -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals
Hi all, Does anyone know what Olli and Martti are running from FJ? They've been putting a truly magnificent signal into this part of the world, certainly a change from the half-a-watt-into-a-wet-string expeditions. They're currently (10am) coming in at 20db over 9 on 40m cw and were a big S9 on 20m SSB last night. Excellent, efficient operation too! cheers Dave G0OIL Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals
A beauty of a signal on 40m this morning. Excellent operation w/great CW ops Heard the other FJ group up on 20SSB as well. John K5MO Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals
See web site for more info re Fin Fet Amplifier (500w) http://www.scribd.com/doc/42627/AMPLIFICADOR-DE-500-W-EA1KO 73, Dick - W7QHE = [Original Message] From: Ron Notarius W3WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX Chat Reflector dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: 12/22/2007 5:17:24 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals Word is that they're using an FT-1000MP and an FT-2000MP. They have an amp (a Fin Fet which I've never heard of before). And their antenna system is all verticals. Superb signal, and Ollie and Martti are exactly what you'd expect them to be (although their splits do tend to be a touch wide for my tastes, but what do I know?) 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DAVE WHITE Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 5:02 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals Hi all, Does anyone know what Olli and Martti are running from FJ? They've been putting a truly magnificent signal into this part of the world, certainly a change from the half-a-watt-into-a-wet-string expeditions. They're currently (10am) coming in at 20db over 9 on 40m cw and were a big S9 on 20m SSB last night. Excellent, efficient operation too! cheers Dave G0OIL Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] FJ
You guys are lucky with the great sigs for FJ stations, not a peep in ZL. Doubt if we would be lucky in a pile-up even if we could hear them. Thems the breaks from down-under. 73 ZL3ACA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ
At 08:33 AM 12/22/2007, G Nuth wrote: You guys are lucky with the great sigs for FJ stations, not a peep in ZL. Doubt if we would be lucky in a pile-up even if we could hear them. 73 ZL3ACA I took a peek at propagation forecasts and you should be able to at least hear them on 40 CW between about 0800 and 1030 UTC, and on 20 between 1200 and 1300. I know they were working JAs on 40 CW yesterday around 1000 when I turned the radio on. Thems the breaks from down-under. True, but think how easy a shot you have to ZL8, ZL9, Macquarie, Heard, Willis, Christmas and Cocos-Keling etc! Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals
Don't know what equipment they're using but I think they have verticals on the beach. I'll bet they're running a kW though. Their signal has been superb here, too. What really impresses me is that Olli just works EU right through the USA wall on CW. Maybe he has very narrow filters. He will work a bunch of USA, then a bunch of EU, then a bunch of USA ... without saying EU only. Truly amazing! He was going so fast last night that I guess he made everyone reasonably happy. There was little or no jamming here. Just the usual clueless people who called him on his frequency for a while, then gave up. When they left, so did the DX cops. 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, DAVE WHITE wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know what Olli and Martti are running from FJ? They've been putting a truly magnificent signal into this part of the world, certainly a change from the half-a-watt-into-a-wet-string expeditions. They're currently (10am) coming in at 20db over 9 on 40m cw and were a big S9 on 20m SSB last night. Excellent, efficient operation too! cheers Dave G0OIL Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: Word is that they're using an FT-1000MP and an FT-2000MP. They have an amp (a Fin Fet which I've never heard of before). And their antenna system is all verticals. Sounds like something custom made for Martti? You sure it's not Finn FET? :-) Superb signal, and Ollie and Martti are exactly what you'd expect them to be (although their splits do tend to be a touch wide for my tastes, but what do I know?) 73 The 40m CW splits haven't been too bad. Last night they were transmitting on 7004 and the lowest I heard them work was 7006 (me), the highest was 7015 with the average being between 7007 and 7013. I don't think 6 kHz is too much to demand for an operation of this magnitude. I just thought of an interesting question. We all have experienced the DX cops who chide people who QRM or transmit on the DX frequency. I wonder if these DX cops are people who haven't worked them yet - in other words, does a particular DX cop disappear once he's worked them in the pileup? Food for thought on a drizzly, foggy day ... 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ
Keep the faith! FJ is a beautiful tourist island and there will be many operations from there. I'm sure you will be able to work it in contests, especially as the next sunspot cycle peaks. Maybe if I get down there again I can do some operating. The Carl Gustav Hotel is a neat place. 73, Zack W9SZ On Sun, 23 Dec 2007, G Nuth wrote: You guys are lucky with the great sigs for FJ stations, not a peep in ZL. Doubt if we would be lucky in a pile-up even if we could hear them. Thems the breaks from down-under. 73 ZL3ACA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals
AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zack Widup Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:49 PM To: Ron Notarius W3WN Cc: DX Chat Reflector Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals snip I just thought of an interesting question. We all have experienced the DX cops who chide people who QRM or transmit on the DX frequency. I wonder if these DX cops are people who haven't worked them yet - in other words, does a particular DX cop disappear once he's worked them in the pileup? Food for thought on a drizzly, foggy day ... My experience is that DX cops think they are helping. The longer someone calls on the DX frequency, the more strident the cops become. But someone calling on the DX frequency, is more likely to be on the wrong VFO than cluelessly operating simplex, so a cop sending up up up is doing nothing but making the problem worse. Over the past couple of DXpeditions -- including this FJ operation -- I've experimented with reducing QRM on the DX frequency by posting a spot whose notes contain a message to the offending station, e.g. DX FJ/OH2AM 7005 KC6IGZ wrong VFO! Each time I've tried this, the offending station has quickly stopped sending on the DX frequency, and the cops then quieted down. My sample size is small to be sure, but there's no downside. Give it a try! 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zack Widup Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:49 PM To: Ron Notarius W3WN Cc: DX Chat Reflector Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: Word is that they're using an FT-1000MP and an FT-2000MP. They have an amp (a Fin Fet which I've never heard of before). And their antenna system is all verticals. Sounds like something custom made for Martti? You sure it's not Finn FET? :-) Superb signal, and Ollie and Martti are exactly what you'd expect them to be (although their splits do tend to be a touch wide for my tastes, but what do I know?) 73 The 40m CW splits haven't been too bad. Last night they were transmitting on 7004 and the lowest I heard them work was 7006 (me), the highest was 7015 with the average being between 7007 and 7013. I don't think 6 kHz is too much to demand for an operation of this magnitude. I just thought of an interesting question. We all have experienced the DX cops who chide people who QRM or transmit on the DX frequency. I wonder if these DX cops are people who haven't worked them yet - in other words, does a particular DX cop disappear once he's worked them in the pileup? Food for thought on a drizzly, foggy day ... 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals
One thing that's pretty obvious, especially if you keep an eye on the cluster while trying to work them, is that their pattern is -- no pattern! Based on the spots alone, they'll work someone transmitting on 7015, then 7021, then 7012, etc. ... up and down within the announced listening range. My guess is that they don't linger on a particular frequency for more than a QSO or two. That defeats anyone trying to jam up their receiver. It also may mean that when they QSY, they quickly hunt a clear signal on the band, and when the cluster watchers QSY to that frequency, they vacate others which now have a clear signal to work. Maddening to those who try to match a pattern. But the best strategy may just be to pick A frequency and stick to it, and wait for surrounding traffic to clear away. Add superb operators with great filters, and given enough time, you'll work them! 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zack Widup Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:34 PM To: DAVE WHITE Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals Don't know what equipment they're using but I think they have verticals on the beach. I'll bet they're running a kW though. Their signal has been superb here, too. What really impresses me is that Olli just works EU right through the USA wall on CW. Maybe he has very narrow filters. He will work a bunch of USA, then a bunch of EU, then a bunch of USA ... without saying EU only. Truly amazing! He was going so fast last night that I guess he made everyone reasonably happy. There was little or no jamming here. Just the usual clueless people who called him on his frequency for a while, then gave up. When they left, so did the DX cops. 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, DAVE WHITE wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know what Olli and Martti are running from FJ? They've been putting a truly magnificent signal into this part of the world, certainly a change from the half-a-watt-into-a-wet-string expeditions. They're currently (10am) coming in at 20db over 9 on 40m cw and were a big S9 on 20m SSB last night. Excellent, efficient operation too! cheers Dave G0OIL Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals
I wouldn't pay much attention to the spot pattern. They are invariably well behind real time and are incomplete. I find Olli (CW) generally moves up the band a few hundred cycles to 1 khz (depending on QRM) per QSO and back down again when there are a lot of callers. Today on 17, he sat on 1 frequency plus/minus a few hundred cycles for at least 10 minutes before the QRM started him moving again. Gerry VE6LB/VA6XDX DXCC Field Checker-Southern Alberta VE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team (403) 251-0384 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals One thing that's pretty obvious, especially if you keep an eye on the cluster while trying to work them, is that their pattern is -- no pattern! Based on the spots alone, they'll work someone transmitting on 7015, then 7021, then 7012, etc. ... up and down within the announced listening range. My guess is that they don't linger on a particular frequency for more than a QSO or two. That defeats anyone trying to jam up their receiver. It also may mean that when they QSY, they quickly hunt a clear signal on the band, and when the cluster watchers QSY to that frequency, they vacate others which now have a clear signal to work. Maddening to those who try to match a pattern. But the best strategy may just be to pick A frequency and stick to it, and wait for surrounding traffic to clear away. Add superb operators with great filters, and given enough time, you'll work them! 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zack Widup Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:34 PM To: DAVE WHITE Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ/OH2AM signals Don't know what equipment they're using but I think they have verticals on the beach. I'll bet they're running a kW though. Their signal has been superb here, too. What really impresses me is that Olli just works EU right through the USA wall on CW. Maybe he has very narrow filters. He will work a bunch of USA, then a bunch of EU, then a bunch of USA ... without saying EU only. Truly amazing! He was going so fast last night that I guess he made everyone reasonably happy. There was little or no jamming here. Just the usual clueless people who called him on his frequency for a while, then gave up. When they left, so did the DX cops. 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, DAVE WHITE wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know what Olli and Martti are running from FJ? They've been putting a truly magnificent signal into this part of the world, certainly a change from the half-a-watt-into-a-wet-string expeditions. They're currently (10am) coming in at 20db over 9 on 40m cw and were a big S9 on 20m SSB last night. Excellent, efficient operation too! cheers Dave G0OIL Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] FJ Activity
I don't know how many of you caught the activity down around 14.165 at 1930z and there after. FJ5KH was quite active at this time, easy to work and had a big signal. The natives are active. 73, Jay/AF2C -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 12/21/2007 1:17 PM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Activity
At 08:24 PM 12/22/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how many of you caught the activity down around 14.165 at 1930z and there after. FJ5KH was quite active at this time, easy to work and had a big signal. The natives are active. Yup; they were begging while Martti was bangin' 'em off, too. Surprising. The local guys said something about showing up on either 40 or 80 tonight, too, but so far nothing. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] FJ - 21.Feb.2007
HI to ALL , SEASON GREETINGS MERRY X-MASS to most of You! The Independent day of St.Barthelemy is 21.Feb.2007 thats the real date from when FJ have to be count as separate DXCC. I really dont see any available reason for 14.12.2007 BECAUSE: On 21 February 2007, the French Parliament passed a bill granting COM status to both Saint-Barthelemy and Saint-Martin. The new status took effect on 22 February, when the law was published in the Official Journal. ONLY Bill-N4UF @ CQ DX Awards have the right date: FJ CQ DX AWARDS --- CQ DX Awards Manager Billy Williams, N4UF has announced that the island of Saint-Barthelemy (FJ) has been added to the CQ DX Awards entity list, effective immediately, for confirmed contacts with the island made on or after 21 February 2007. The ARRL DXCC Desk is pleased to announce the addition of St Barthelemy (FJ) to the DXCC List, making the island entity number 338 with an effective date of 14 December, 2007. Cards with contacts dated December 14, 2007 or after will be accepted for DXCC credit. The event date that caused St. Barthelemy to be added to the DXCC list was December 14, 2007, the date the US State Department Fact sheet was updated by the Bureau of Intelligence and Research. So far, I know that independency dates are more important than some other dates. 14.12.2007- is realy funny date!!! Stay Tuned GL on SIX !!! 73 GLDX!!!de: Mome - Z32ZM http://www.qsl.net/z32zm Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ - 21.Feb.2007
Interesting! I really don't care which date the DXCC Desk chooses to use -- as long as they do it the same way the next time. If the State Dept list date is going to be the controlling criteria rather than the date the actual foreign government of the entity establishes -- fine. The US State Dept list can be the criteria for a worldwide DXCC program if the DXCC Desk says it is. It sure makes it easier for the DXCC Desk to rely on the State Dept to make recognition, rather than trying to figure out what foreign governments have done. Bert, N8NN - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 2:34 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ - 21.Feb.2007 The DXCC desk selected the date of 14 December 2007 because that is the date that St. Bart was added to the US State Department list of recognized Dependencies and Areas of Special Sovereignty. THAT is the political change that was the final trigger to add the island as a separate entity on the list. Bill Kennamer K5NX (ex K5FUV), former ARRL Membership Services Manager and one of the key people behind 1998's rewrite/overhaul of the DXCC rules, aka DXCC 2000, wrote a detailed explanation behind not only the reasoning behind the choice of date but behind the reasons for some of the changes that were made at the time in how a new entity can/will be recognized. Unfortunately, the only place I've seen that is in the 12/21 issue of the Daily DX, so I can't quote it here without Bernie's permission. If I find it elsewhere I will relay it; or if Bernie will either post it himself or give me permission to post it, I will. And let's all be honest... I don't know how much activity has taken place from FJ between the time it became a Department and 14 December; trying to backdate it could be more aggravation that it was worth. The important thing is that it's an entity now, so go work it and have fun! 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mome Z32ZM Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: DX Chat Subject: [DX-CHAT] FJ - 21.Feb.2007 HI to ALL , SEASON GREETINGS MERRY X-MASS to most of You! The Independent day of St.Barthelemy is 21.Feb.2007 thats the real date from when FJ have to be count as separate DXCC. I really dont see any available reason for 14.12.2007 BECAUSE: On 21 February 2007, the French Parliament passed a bill granting COM status to both Saint-Barthelemy and Saint-Martin. The new status took effect on 22 February, when the law was published in the Official Journal. ONLY Bill-N4UF @ CQ DX Awards have the right date: FJ CQ DX AWARDS --- CQ DX Awards Manager Billy Williams, N4UF has announced that the island of Saint-Barthelemy (FJ) has been added to the CQ DX Awards entity list, effective immediately, for confirmed contacts with the island made on or after 21 February 2007. The ARRL DXCC Desk is pleased to announce the addition of St Barthelemy (FJ) to the DXCC List, making the island entity number 338 with an effective date of 14 December, 2007. Cards with contacts dated December 14, 2007 or after will be accepted for DXCC credit. The event date that caused St. Barthelemy to be added to the DXCC list was December 14, 2007, the date the US State Department Fact sheet was updated by the Bureau of Intelligence and Research. So far, I know that independency dates are more important than some other dates. 14.12.2007- is realy funny date!!! Stay Tuned GL on SIX !!! 73 GLDX!!!de: Mome - Z32ZM http://www.qsl.net/z32zm Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 12/21/2007 1:17 PM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
