Re: [Elecraft] V63ZM KH2/G3ZEM

2013-02-28 Thread Jim Brown

On 2/27/2013 11:45 PM, Bob Henderson wrote:

Just a short note of thanks to all of my friends at Elecraft.


And thank you, Bob.  We worked when you were V63ZM, and I didn't realize 
until after the QSO it was you. I was wondering who was this guy saying 
hello Jim. :)


For those who don't know, Bob is a superb engineer, and the guy who put 
together excellent group-buy kits to build 6-band bandpass filters using 
W3NQN designs.  I just finished building two of them, as have several of 
my friends.


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] Newest P3 FW Upgrade

2013-02-28 Thread Joel Black
I absolutely cannot upgrade to the latest P3 FW (1.25).  I had similar 
issues with 1.24, but it eventually loaded after several attempts.


I have tried about seven or eight times and it always gets to the same 
spot and I then get a message, Elecraft P3 Utility quit unexpectedly.  
FW version 1.24 would get to different spots before it quit.


I am using the latest P3 Utility for the Mac 1.13.2.3.  It also locks up 
with a previous version of the P3 Utility.


I tried re-loading 1.24 and I get the same error at what appears to be 
the same point of the load.  I really cannot tell you where it stops as 
the Utility quits and does not show the last message.


I can reboot the P3 and it appears to work fine and restarting the P3 
Utility tells me whatever version FW is on it.  However, it is a tad 
disconcerting that the FW load never completes.


I have tried different baud rates, but it won't even attempt to load at 
anything other than 38k4.  I seem to remember reading somewhere that you 
can only load FW at 38k4, but I cannot find that reference now and I 
probably dreamed it.


If I am missing something, please, enlighten me.

Thanks,
Joel - W4JBB
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread Bill Clarke
This morning I removed the entire shack from AC and left only the K3/P3 
on battery and the antennas disconnected. No change on the screen. Bunch 
of work for nothing and was exactly what I expected.


Of note: The ghosts vanish when the band is active - covered by the 
ambient background noise level. During the day, when the band is dead, 
this is not the case and the spikes can be seen. Remember, I can not 
tune to them as they remain in a static location on the scope. Signals 
move through them as you tune.


Having used other forms of band-scopes over the years (including the 
great SM-220) that only displayed what was actually RF on a band, I am 
convinced this is something internally generated within the P3. If it 
was outside of the P3, it would tune (move when the VFO is moved). 
Perhaps the P3 is overkill and does, or is capable of, way more than 
what a simple band-scope really needs to do. Such is the day and age of 
microprocessors - simplicity has been left in the dust of bells and 
whistles.


Rather than continue to worry about this, I am just going to accept it 
as an anomaly of the P3. It really has no effect other than appearing as 
signals that are not really there. Once you know what they are, you 
won't bother trying to tune to them. Does this make it right for the 
$$$? No, of course not, but it is the easy way out for an old guy that 
only rag chews on 75 and 40.


Thanks for all the comments,

Bill W2BLC






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Re: [Elecraft] Newest P3 FW Upgrade

2013-02-28 Thread Joel Black

An update:

I have tried different USB ports on the computer and a different cable. 
I cannot use a true RS232 cable as I have no true RS232 port.


So, I don't know if the P3 is fully loaded or not.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

On 2/28/13 5:43 AM, Joel Black wrote:
I absolutely cannot upgrade to the latest P3 FW (1.25). I had similar 
issues with 1.24, but it eventually loaded after several attempts.


I have tried about seven or eight times and it always gets to the same 
spot and I then get a message, Elecraft P3 Utility quit 
unexpectedly. FW version 1.24 would get to different spots before it 
quit.


I am using the latest P3 Utility for the Mac 1.13.2.3. It also locks 
up with a previous version of the P3 Utility.


I tried re-loading 1.24 and I get the same error at what appears to be 
the same point of the load. I really cannot tell you where it stops as 
the Utility quits and does not show the last message.


I can reboot the P3 and it appears to work fine and restarting the P3 
Utility tells me whatever version FW is on it. However, it is a tad 
disconcerting that the FW load never completes.


I have tried different baud rates, but it won't even attempt to load 
at anything other than 38k4. I seem to remember reading somewhere that 
you can only load FW at 38k4, but I cannot find that reference now and 
I probably dreamed it.


If I am missing something, please, enlighten me.

Thanks,
Joel - W4JBB
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[Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread Johnny Siu
Hello Bill,
 
Contact elecraft support should be the right approach.  If there is something 
wrong with your P3, repair under warranty is quick and efficiency.
 
Elecraft support has never let me down.

TNX  73,


Johnny VR2XMC



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主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move
  
This morning I removed the entire shack from AC and left only the K3/P3 on 
battery and the antennas disconnected. No change on the screen. Bunch of work 
for nothing and was exactly what I expected.

Of note: The ghosts vanish when the band is active - covered by the ambient 
background noise level. During the day, when the band is dead, this is not 
the case and the spikes can be seen. Remember, I can not tune to them as they 
remain in a static location on the scope. Signals move through them as you tune.

Having used other forms of band-scopes over the years (including the great 
SM-220) that only displayed what was actually RF on a band, I am convinced this 
is something internally generated within the P3. If it was outside of the P3, 
it would tune (move when the VFO is moved). Perhaps the P3 is overkill and 
does, or is capable of, way more than what a simple band-scope really needs to 
do. Such is the day and age of microprocessors - simplicity has been left in 
the dust of bells and whistles.

Rather than continue to worry about this, I am just going to accept it as an 
anomaly of the P3. It really has no effect other than appearing as signals that 
are not really there. Once you know what they are, you won't bother trying to 
tune to them. Does this make it right for the $$$? No, of course not, but it is 
the easy way out for an old guy that only rag chews on 75 and 40.

Thanks for all the comments,

Bill W2BLC






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[Elecraft] spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread Mike Greenway
I fought the same problem Dave W8FGU had and also tracked it to the cables for 
the P3.  The connectors on the cable were inferior to Amphenol’s in that there 
was no tension in the connector when seating them and thus there was eventually 
a poor connection to the shield.  Whenever the problem would occur I could 
reseat both connectors and the problem, stationary images, would clear.  I 
tried replacing the cable with one of the same types received with the P3 but 
it also had the same problem.  When pushing some true Amphenols on that I had 
here provided a lot of tension when pushing them on. 73 Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Antenna Tuner question

2013-02-28 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
That’s the way it currently works.  I.e., when you select AUTO, or MAN or BYP 
the KAT500 stays that way on all bands.  I train my KAT500 on my three antennas 
on all bands, and then leave it in MAN mode after that.  Bypass is a tuning 
solution when the SWR is low.  When in MANual, the KAT500 still recalls the 
settings and antenna used last on that frequency/band.  Works great.

Phil – AD5X

“I'm using a KAT-500 and am surprised that when I change bands it doesn't 
remember whether it was in Automatic or By-Pass the last time it was on that 
band. If my KAT-500 is set to Automatic on one band then it's on Automatic 
for every band change. I'm hoping someone knows of a way to activate a memory 
feature on the KAT-500 so that each band can have it's own setting: 
Auto-Man-Byp.My reason for the memory is to eliminate unneeded relay tuning 
and chatter... as on some bands I simply don't need the KAT-500 and I don't 
appreciate it trying to tune every antenna that it thinks needs tuning. (as 
sometimes antennas don't need to be tuned... but the KAT-500 thinks otherwise) 
Thanks!”
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[Elecraft] Questions on Yamaha CM-500 boom headset with K3

2013-02-28 Thread Jon Zaimes AA1K

Just bought one of these boom mic-headsets and plan to use with my K3's.

Is the battery bias supply included with the headset needed?

And do I need to adapt the microphone's 3-conductor mini phone plug to a
2-conductor before plugging into the K3 rear-panel mic input?

Thanks any help 

73/Jon AA1K
www.aa1k.us

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Re: [Elecraft] Questions on Yamaha CM-500 boom headset with K3

2013-02-28 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jon,

Just plug it in, turn bias on and set the Mic gain range to L (low) - 
the microphone is quite sensitive. (MIC SEL  RP.L bias)
You do not need the battery on the K3, but hang onto it, you may need it 
with another transceiver that does not supply bias internally.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/28/2013 9:00 AM, Jon Zaimes AA1K wrote:

Just bought one of these boom mic-headsets and plan to use with my K3's.

Is the battery bias supply included with the headset needed?

And do I need to adapt the microphone's 3-conductor mini phone plug to a
2-conductor before plugging into the K3 rear-panel mic input?

Thanks any help 



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Re: [Elecraft] Questions on Yamaha CM-500 boom headset with K3

2013-02-28 Thread Rick Robinson
This may be apples to oranges, but, I use a Pyle headset with my kx3 and
mine works with or without mic bias. But if I have the mic bias off the
radio goes into scan mode. Don't know why. Just thought I'd mention this in
case your K3 acts the same wayRick

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Jon Zaimes AA1K j...@verizon.net wrote:

 Just bought one of these boom mic-headsets and plan to use with my K3's.

 Is the battery bias supply included with the headset needed?

 And do I need to adapt the microphone's 3-conductor mini phone plug to a
 2-conductor before plugging into the K3 rear-panel mic input?

 Thanks any help 

 73/Jon AA1K
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Re: [Elecraft] Questions on Yamaha CM-500 boom headset with K3

2013-02-28 Thread Don Wilhelm

Rick,

I would wager that your microphone ties the tip and ring together. If 
you look at the 'pinout' for the KX3 microphone (page 5 of the manual) 
you will see that Ring 1 is PTT/UP/DN.  If that pin is grounded, it is 
the PTT function, but if there is a resistance to ground on that ring, 
you will have either the UP or DN function depending on the value of the 
resistor.
Apparently the voltage introduced by applying bias is causing your KX3 
to interpret that level as either UP or DN (and it keeps repeating).


If you turn off bias, the the 'bias' voltage is supplied by the residual 
voltage from the PTT/UP/DN detection circuit in the KX3. Although that 
works, the voltage source being used for that bias is sufficient for the 
microphone element, but it is 'dirty logic voltage' which can give you 
noise in the microphone input.  Turning on the KX3 Noise Gate can help 
reduce that noise.


I built an adapter for my CM-500 (which also connects the tip and ring 
together) to eliminate that connection - one can use a stereo jack and a 
stereo plug with the tip of the jack connected to the tip of the plug 
and the shells connected together (no connection to the ring).  I built 
my adapter with a 4 circuit plug and brought out the logic ground 
(ring2) and ring1 to a switch that I use for PTT, but that is not a 
requirement, just my desire.


BTW, tying the ring and tip together is not a problem for the K3 because 
the K3 jack has no connection to the ring (that is why it is marked 
Mono - the jack is actually stereo.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/28/2013 9:15 AM, Rick Robinson wrote:

This may be apples to oranges, but, I use a Pyle headset with my kx3 and
mine works with or without mic bias. But if I have the mic bias off the
radio goes into scan mode. Don't know why. Just thought I'd mention this in
case your K3 acts the same wayRick



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Re: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Antenna Tuner question

2013-02-28 Thread John_N1JM
When the tuner is in auto, does it not automatically go into bypass(even
though it does not show BYP) if the antenna swr is detected to be below 1.2
to 1?

John N1JM


Phil amp; Debbie Salas wrote
 That’s the way it currently works.  I.e., when you select AUTO, or MAN or
 BYP the KAT500 stays that way on all bands.  I train my KAT500 on my three
 antennas on all bands, and then leave it in MAN mode after that.  Bypass
 is a tuning solution when the SWR is low.  When in MANual, the KAT500
 still recalls the settings and antenna used last on that frequency/band. 
 Works great.
 
 Phil – AD5X
 
 “I'm using a KAT-500 and am surprised that when I change bands it doesn't
 remember whether it was in Automatic or By-Pass the last time it was on
 that band. If my KAT-500 is set to Automatic on one band then it's on
 Automatic for every band change. I'm hoping someone knows of a way to
 activate a memory feature on the KAT-500 so that each band can have it's
 own setting: Auto-Man-Byp.My reason for the memory is to eliminate
 unneeded relay tuning and chatter... as on some bands I simply don't need
 the KAT-500 and I don't appreciate it trying to tune every antenna that it
 thinks needs tuning. (as sometimes antennas don't need to be tuned... but
 the KAT-500 thinks otherwise) Thanks!”
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Re: [Elecraft] Newest P3 FW Upgrade

2013-02-28 Thread John_N1JM
What do you mean by a different cable? What kind of USB-Serial adapter are
you using? Can you try a different USB to serial adapter?

73, John N1JM



W4JBB wrote
 An update:
 
 I have tried different USB ports on the computer and a different cable. 
 I cannot use a true RS232 cable as I have no true RS232 port.
 
 So, I don't know if the P3 is fully loaded or not.
 
 73,
 Joel - W4JBB
 
 On 2/28/13 5:43 AM, Joel Black wrote:
 I absolutely cannot upgrade to the latest P3 FW (1.25). I had similar 
 issues with 1.24, but it eventually loaded after several attempts.

 I have tried about seven or eight times and it always gets to the same 
 spot and I then get a message, Elecraft P3 Utility quit 
 unexpectedly. FW version 1.24 would get to different spots before it 
 quit.

 I am using the latest P3 Utility for the Mac 1.13.2.3. It also locks 
 up with a previous version of the P3 Utility.

 I tried re-loading 1.24 and I get the same error at what appears to be 
 the same point of the load. I really cannot tell you where it stops as 
 the Utility quits and does not show the last message.

 I can reboot the P3 and it appears to work fine and restarting the P3 
 Utility tells me whatever version FW is on it. However, it is a tad 
 disconcerting that the FW load never completes.

 I have tried different baud rates, but it won't even attempt to load 
 at anything other than 38k4. I seem to remember reading somewhere that 
 you can only load FW at 38k4, but I cannot find that reference now and 
 I probably dreamed it.

 If I am missing something, please, enlighten me.

 Thanks,
 Joel - W4JBB
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread John_N1JM
If you are adventurous, you might take the cover off and make sure all screws
are tight, particularly those that need to make a good chasis ground
connection.

73, John N1JM


Bill Clarke wrote
 This morning I removed the entire shack from AC and left only the K3/P3 
 on battery and the antennas disconnected. No change on the screen. Bunch 
 of work for nothing and was exactly what I expected.
 
 Of note: The ghosts vanish when the band is active - covered by the 
 ambient background noise level. During the day, when the band is dead, 
 this is not the case and the spikes can be seen. Remember, I can not 
 tune to them as they remain in a static location on the scope. Signals 
 move through them as you tune.
 
 Having used other forms of band-scopes over the years (including the 
 great SM-220) that only displayed what was actually RF on a band, I am 
 convinced this is something internally generated within the P3. If it 
 was outside of the P3, it would tune (move when the VFO is moved). 
 Perhaps the P3 is overkill and does, or is capable of, way more than 
 what a simple band-scope really needs to do. Such is the day and age of 
 microprocessors - simplicity has been left in the dust of bells and 
 whistles.
 
 Rather than continue to worry about this, I am just going to accept it 
 as an anomaly of the P3. It really has no effect other than appearing as 
 signals that are not really there. Once you know what they are, you 
 won't bother trying to tune to them. Does this make it right for the 
 $$$? No, of course not, but it is the easy way out for an old guy that 
 only rag chews on 75 and 40.
 
 Thanks for all the comments,
 
 Bill W2BLC
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Newest P3 FW Upgrade

2013-02-28 Thread David Fleming
Joel,

It sounds like you are having a problem with your USB/Serial Adapter. Make sure 
you have the latest driver installed for your adapter. Also make sure that the 
connector is securely fastened to the P3. There is no need to change baud 
rates. The Utility will automatically switch to 38.4k for firmware downloads. I 
would leave the P3 at 38.4k all the time. What brand of USB/Serial adapter are 
you using?

David, W4SMT



 From: Joel Black w4...@charter.net
To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:43 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Newest P3 FW Upgrade
 
I absolutely cannot upgrade to the latest P3 FW (1.25).  I had similar issues 
with 1.24, but it eventually loaded after several attempts.

I have tried about seven or eight times and it always gets to the same spot and 
I then get a message, Elecraft P3 Utility quit unexpectedly.  FW version 1.24 
would get to different spots before it quit.

I am using the latest P3 Utility for the Mac 1.13.2.3.  It also locks up with a 
previous version of the P3 Utility.

I tried re-loading 1.24 and I get the same error at what appears to be the same 
point of the load.  I really cannot tell you where it stops as the Utility 
quits and does not show the last message.

I can reboot the P3 and it appears to work fine and restarting the P3 Utility 
tells me whatever version FW is on it.  However, it is a tad disconcerting that 
the FW load never completes.

I have tried different baud rates, but it won't even attempt to load at 
anything other than 38k4.  I seem to remember reading somewhere that you can 
only load FW at 38k4, but I cannot find that reference now and I probably 
dreamed it.

If I am missing something, please, enlighten me.

Thanks,
Joel - W4JBB
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Re: [Elecraft] KX(2)

2013-02-28 Thread KENT TRIMBLE

The KX2 is popular in my beginners CW class, too.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV


On 2/28/2013 1:24 AM, Rick Dettinger wrote:

In related news, I worked a ham today on CW, and was told that he was using a 
KX2.  I asked for a repeat and he confirmed a KX2.  I replied that I understood 
he said a KX2, without getting any correction from him.  Are you guys doing a 
new rig Beta test that I haven't heard about?  This is exciting.  A KX2 might 
be just the rig for me!
But, my KX3 is doing everything I could ask for in a rig the size of a medium 
paperback.  Maybe I will wait on the KX2!



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Re: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Antenna Tuner question

2013-02-28 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Yes. Not Bypass Mode but the tuning solution is to bypass the matching 
network when the SWR is low. The KAT500 stays in MANUAL or AUTOMATIC mode 
according to what you have selected.

73 Ron AC7AC



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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John_N1JM
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:30 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Antenna Tuner question

When the tuner is in auto, does it not automatically go into bypass(even 
though it does not show BYP) if the antenna swr is detected to be below 1.2 to 
1?

John N1JM


Phil amp; Debbie Salas wrote
 That’s the way it currently works.  I.e., when you select AUTO, or MAN 
 or BYP the KAT500 stays that way on all bands.  I train my KAT500 on 
 my three antennas on all bands, and then leave it in MAN mode after 
 that.  Bypass is a tuning solution when the SWR is low.  When in 
 MANual, the KAT500 still recalls the settings and antenna used last on that 
 frequency/band.
 Works great.
 
 Phil – AD5X
 
 “I'm using a KAT-500 and am surprised that when I change bands it 
 doesn't remember whether it was in Automatic or By-Pass the last time 
 it was on that band. If my KAT-500 is set to Automatic on one band 
 then it's on Automatic for every band change. I'm hoping someone knows 
 of a way to activate a memory feature on the KAT-500 so that each band 
 can have it's own setting: Auto-Man-Byp.My reason for the memory is 
 to eliminate unneeded relay tuning and chatter... as on some bands I 
 simply don't need the KAT-500 and I don't appreciate it trying to tune 
 every antenna that it thinks needs tuning. (as sometimes antennas 
 don't need to be tuned... but the KAT-500 thinks otherwise) Thanks!”
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Re: [Elecraft] spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread Tim Hague
Do I detect a trend here, our friend in VK has had radiated noise coming down 
the power lines and has seen poor EMC PCB design practice which has been 
verified by other hams on here and the Yahoo group, you and others are seeing 
spurious emissions from the P3, I asked questions about testing and 
certification with no response.
 Has the P3 been tested for emissions in a test lab?, does it meet the 
requirements for sale in the EU and other parts of the world?.
I really would like to know, my K3, KPA500 and KAT500 all were supplied with no 
D of C's or CE marks which is against EU law.

Sorry to be pedantic about this but the competition do meet their regulatory 
requirements.

Best regards, Tim Hague
Skype m0afj.Tim
Sent on my iPad


On 28 Feb 2013, at 12:46, Mike Greenway k...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 I fought the same problem Dave W8FGU had and also tracked it to the cables 
 for the P3.  The connectors on the cable were inferior to Amphenol’s in that 
 there was no tension in the connector when seating them and thus there was 
 eventually a poor connection to the shield.  Whenever the problem would occur 
 I could reseat both connectors and the problem, stationary images, would 
 clear.  I tried replacing the cable with one of the same types received with 
 the P3 but it also had the same problem.  When pushing some true Amphenols on 
 that I had here provided a lot of tension when pushing them on. 73 Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Encoder Question on 7415 build

2013-02-28 Thread Christophe F8ACF-56
Glenn and goodnight all

I'll put this link:

http://cjoint.com/?CBBvSo5XnWP

if here can help you to see a little more clearly the way I mounted here

# 7369

 
73 , Christophe F8ACF-56



 De : Glenn Haffly k5zegl...@gmail.com
À : Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Envoyé le : Mercredi 27 février 2013 17h01
Objet : [Elecraft] K2 Encoder Question on 7415 build
 
I have a question on the length of  the 4 wires from the encoder board to
the front panel. If they are too short the encoder is too far forward
resulting in the front panel buttons out of alignment.
Having the wires longer cures the front panel alignment but , Then the back
of the encoder board is contacting the rear of the control board. Anyone
else observed this?

Thanks , Glenn
K5ZE
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
A signal near the I.F. that is picked up by the P3 or P3 cable will not move
as you tune. 

Other signals appear to move only because their frequency relative to the
I.F. center frequency changes as you change the frequency of the K3's VFO. 

I'm not saying that the artifacts cannot be internal to the P3. Only that a
fixed frequency signal near the K3's I.F. will remain in a fixed position on
the P3 display as you tune the K3, whether it is internal or external to the
P3.  

73 Ron AC7AC


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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Clarke
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:13 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

This morning I removed the entire shack from AC and left only the K3/P3 on
battery and the antennas disconnected. No change on the screen. Bunch of
work for nothing and was exactly what I expected.

Of note: The ghosts vanish when the band is active - covered by the ambient
background noise level. During the day, when the band is dead, 
this is not the case and the spikes can be seen. Remember, I can not tune to
them as they remain in a static location on the scope. Signals move through
them as you tune.

Having used other forms of band-scopes over the years (including the great
SM-220) that only displayed what was actually RF on a band, I am convinced
this is something internally generated within the P3. If it was outside of
the P3, it would tune (move when the VFO is moved). 
Perhaps the P3 is overkill and does, or is capable of, way more than what a
simple band-scope really needs to do. Such is the day and age of
microprocessors - simplicity has been left in the dust of bells and
whistles.

Rather than continue to worry about this, I am just going to accept it as an
anomaly of the P3. It really has no effect other than appearing as signals
that are not really there. Once you know what they are, you won't bother
trying to tune to them. Does this make it right for the $$$? No, of course
not, but it is the easy way out for an old guy that only rag chews on 75 and
40.

Thanks for all the comments,

Bill W2BLC






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Re: [Elecraft] KX(2)

2013-02-28 Thread Wayne Burdick

Someone makes a KX-2 antenna tuner, I believe.

There is no Elecraft KX2, real or imagined.

Wayne
N6KR

On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:06 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:


The KX2 is popular in my beginners CW class, too.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV


On 2/28/2013 1:24 AM, Rick Dettinger wrote:
In related news, I worked a ham today on CW, and was told that he  
was using a KX2.  I asked for a repeat and he confirmed a KX2.  I  
replied that I understood he said a KX2, without getting any  
correction from him.  Are you guys doing a new rig Beta test that I  
haven't heard about?  This is exciting.  A KX2 might be just the  
rig for me!
But, my KX3 is doing everything I could ask for in a rig the size  
of a medium paperback.  Maybe I will wait on the KX2!




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Re: [Elecraft] Questions on Yamaha CM-500 boom headset with K3

2013-02-28 Thread Rick Robinson
I will check that out this evening. I also will check out what happens when
I turn off the up/dn function in the menu. Currently it is on. My audio
output is very clean. My local friends have scrutinized the audio and said
it is excellent. I appreciate the input. I'll get back on my findings.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Rick,

 I would wager that your microphone ties the tip and ring together. If you
 look at the 'pinout' for the KX3 microphone (page 5 of the manual) you will
 see that Ring 1 is PTT/UP/DN.  If that pin is grounded, it is the PTT
 function, but if there is a resistance to ground on that ring, you will
 have either the UP or DN function depending on the value of the resistor.
 Apparently the voltage introduced by applying bias is causing your KX3 to
 interpret that level as either UP or DN (and it keeps repeating).

 If you turn off bias, the the 'bias' voltage is supplied by the residual
 voltage from the PTT/UP/DN detection circuit in the KX3. Although that
 works, the voltage source being used for that bias is sufficient for the
 microphone element, but it is 'dirty logic voltage' which can give you
 noise in the microphone input.  Turning on the KX3 Noise Gate can help
 reduce that noise.

 I built an adapter for my CM-500 (which also connects the tip and ring
 together) to eliminate that connection - one can use a stereo jack and a
 stereo plug with the tip of the jack connected to the tip of the plug and
 the shells connected together (no connection to the ring).  I built my
 adapter with a 4 circuit plug and brought out the logic ground (ring2) and
 ring1 to a switch that I use for PTT, but that is not a requirement, just
 my desire.

 BTW, tying the ring and tip together is not a problem for the K3 because
 the K3 jack has no connection to the ring (that is why it is marked Mono
 - the jack is actually stereo.

 73,
 Don W3FPR


 On 2/28/2013 9:15 AM, Rick Robinson wrote:

 This may be apples to oranges, but, I use a Pyle headset with my kx3 and
 mine works with or without mic bias. But if I have the mic bias off
 the
 radio goes into scan mode. Don't know why. Just thought I'd mention this
 in
 case your K3 acts the same wayRick



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[Elecraft] Elecraft KX2

2013-02-28 Thread edward kacura
Well Wayne, if you guys ever did decide to do a KX2, I'd buy one...just because 
!!
 
Ed N7EDK   KX3, KX1, and K2.
 
Someone makes a KX-2 antenna tuner, I believe.

There is no Elecraft KX2, real or imagined.

Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread N2TK, Tony
When I first got my P3 I used the included cable. I had some spikes on the
screen that didn't make sense. As I have worked at minimizing ingress of
junk into the cables in my shack I replaced the included cable and made up a
new one with 100% foil shielded coax with new BNC connectors. That took care
of the junk on the screen.

Before I left home this week for KP2 I hooked up a coax from the P3 to the
LP-Pan to run CW Skimmer. When I hook up the cable I see one spike on the
P3. I have not had time to check it out. Will do that when I get home.
Ferrite on the coax jumper didn't help.

73,
N2TK/NP2, Tony

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:45 AM
To: 'Bill Clarke'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

A signal near the I.F. that is picked up by the P3 or P3 cable will not move
as you tune. 

Other signals appear to move only because their frequency relative to the
I.F. center frequency changes as you change the frequency of the K3's VFO. 

I'm not saying that the artifacts cannot be internal to the P3. Only that a
fixed frequency signal near the K3's I.F. will remain in a fixed position on
the P3 display as you tune the K3, whether it is internal or external to the
P3.  

73 Ron AC7AC


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Clarke
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:13 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

This morning I removed the entire shack from AC and left only the K3/P3 on
battery and the antennas disconnected. No change on the screen. Bunch of
work for nothing and was exactly what I expected.

Of note: The ghosts vanish when the band is active - covered by the ambient
background noise level. During the day, when the band is dead, 
this is not the case and the spikes can be seen. Remember, I can not tune to
them as they remain in a static location on the scope. Signals move through
them as you tune.

Having used other forms of band-scopes over the years (including the great
SM-220) that only displayed what was actually RF on a band, I am convinced
this is something internally generated within the P3. If it was outside of
the P3, it would tune (move when the VFO is moved). 
Perhaps the P3 is overkill and does, or is capable of, way more than what a
simple band-scope really needs to do. Such is the day and age of
microprocessors - simplicity has been left in the dust of bells and
whistles.

Rather than continue to worry about this, I am just going to accept it as an
anomaly of the P3. It really has no effect other than appearing as signals
that are not really there. Once you know what they are, you won't bother
trying to tune to them. Does this make it right for the $$$? No, of course
not, but it is the easy way out for an old guy that only rag chews on 75 and
40.

Thanks for all the comments,

Bill W2BLC






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Re: [Elecraft] Questions on Yamaha CM-500 boom headset with K3

2013-02-28 Thread Nate Bargmann
If Don doesn't mind me following on...

If, like me, you don't use a headset all the time, I use a desk mic most
of the time, a stereo extension cable plugged into the K3's rear panel
mic jack and brought to the front of the radio (I just coil it up
underneath) makes connecting it a breeze.  I do likewise with a
footswitch cable to the rear jack.  I don't like reaching back there and
fishing for jacks any more than I have to!

73, de Nate, N0NB 

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[Elecraft] [P3] and SVGA question

2013-02-28 Thread Harlan
It appears you can dump images to a USB thumb drive.. but nothing in the 
svga manual indicates a place to plug in the drive. Does it use the 
keyboard USB port or what?

Thanks
Harlan
NC3C
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread Bill Clarke

Thanks Ron - great explanation.

This afternoon the desk comes out from the wall so I can get behind 
everything and I will try a few more tests and cable replacements. At 
least I will know if it is internal. Slow process and easier to just 
ignore - but I'd like to know where it is coming from.


Bill W2BLC


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Re: [Elecraft] [P3] and SVGA question

2013-02-28 Thread Paul Saffren N6HZ
Harlan, 

The thumb drive is plugged into the USB-A connector on the back of the SVGA
board.  This is the same connector that you would use to connect a keyboard.  
The P3/SVGA manual will be updated shortly. 

73, 

Paul





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread Bill Clarke
Got it - it was worth dragging the desk out from the wall (no small 
undertaking) so I could change the BNC cable from the K3 to the P3 with 
an old mil-spec cable from my radar days.


With the replacement cable in place, all the ghosts vanished.

I have sent an email to support with the information and request for a 
replacement cable.


Thanks to all who replied - the ghost spikes really did bug me, but I 
was about to give up on it.


Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread Vic K2VCO
This is at least the third message from you that I have seen in which you claim that the 
spurs you are seeing are an inherent defect of the P3.


Others report either that spurs do not appear, or are caused by a cable with a bad braid 
connection, poor grounding, etc. I personally cannot find such spurs when I disconnect my 
antenna.


So it seems obvious that there is a malfunction in your P3. Several people have suggested 
that you contact K3 support to get it fixed, which they would undoubtedly do at no 
charge.  But you respond that there is an anomaly in the P3 and that it isn't right for 
the $$$.


Let me add that I had an SM-220, and it wasn't all that 'great'. It certainly didn't come 
close to the functionality and performance of the P3!


On 2/28/2013 4:13 AM, Bill Clarke wrote:
This morning I removed the entire shack from AC and left only the K3/P3 on battery and 
the antennas disconnected. No change on the screen. Bunch of work for nothing and was 
exactly what I expected.


Of note: The ghosts vanish when the band is active - covered by the ambient background 
noise level. During the day, when the band is dead, this is not the case and the 
spikes can be seen. Remember, I can not tune to them as they remain in a static location 
on the scope. Signals move through them as you tune.


Having used other forms of band-scopes over the years (including the great SM-220) that 
only displayed what was actually RF on a band, I am convinced this is something 
internally generated within the P3. If it was outside of the P3, it would tune (move 
when the VFO is moved). Perhaps the P3 is overkill and does, or is capable of, way more 
than what a simple band-scope really needs to do. Such is the day and age of 
microprocessors - simplicity has been left in the dust of bells and whistles.


Rather than continue to worry about this, I am just going to accept it as an anomaly of 
the P3. It really has no effect other than appearing as signals that are not really 
there. Once you know what they are, you won't bother trying to tune to them. Does this 
make it right for the $$$? No, of course not, but it is the easy way out for an old guy 
that only rag chews on 75 and 40.


Thanks for all the comments,

Bill W2BLC




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[Elecraft] P3 New Features

2013-02-28 Thread Mike K2MK
The new P3 firmware has added some new items to the P3 menu and SVGA sub
menu. The first one is labeled Amplifier and can be toggled on and off. It
increases the height of the displayed signals on the P3 but does not change
the amplitude scale on the left side. Obviously some further explanation is
required.

I slipped a thumb drive into the Keyboard socket on the SVGA board and then
located some new items on the SVGA sub menu of the P3. By pressing the
Select knob for the menu item SVGA Ubmp it loaded a bitmap image of the SVGA
screen onto the thumb drive. It included decoded text that I had at the
bottom of the screen. The image size was 1282KB for my 1280 x 1024 monitor
setting.

You might want to attach a pull string to your thumb drive. It's close
proximity to the SVGA connector and the serial connector made it tough to
get a good grip for thumb drive extraction.

73,
Mike K2MK



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread Bill Clarke

Thank you for your kind support.

Bill W2BLC

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Re: [Elecraft] Questions on Yamaha CM-500 boom headset with K3

2013-02-28 Thread Don Wilhelm

Nate,

You actually can leave the headset plugged into the back of the K3 and 
the desk mic plugged into the front.
Change the one that is active with the MIC SEL menu.  No extension cord 
required, and no fishing for the jacks.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/28/2013 1:08 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:

If Don doesn't mind me following on...

If, like me, you don't use a headset all the time, I use a desk mic most
of the time, a stereo extension cable plugged into the K3's rear panel
mic jack and brought to the front of the radio (I just coil it up
underneath) makes connecting it a breeze.  I do likewise with a
footswitch cable to the rear jack.  I don't like reaching back there and
fishing for jacks any more than I have to!




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Re: [Elecraft] Questions on Yamaha CM-500 boom headset with K3

2013-02-28 Thread GDanner
Nate,
For What it is Worth:
Might want to select microphones with a Macro if the sensitivity and/or 
response is very different between the two microphones.
I need to select H or L gain and different Mic Gain settings for my 2 
microphones.

I use PF1 for the front mic  PF2 for the rear mic.

George
AI4VZ

-Original Message- 
From: Don Wilhelm

Nate,

You actually can leave the headset plugged into the back of the K3 and
the desk mic plugged into the front.
Change the one that is active with the MIC SEL menu.  No extension cord
required, and no fishing for the jacks.
html 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 New Features

2013-02-28 Thread Jim Sheldon
I actually bought a 2 port USB 2.0 mechanical switch which has a 3 foot cable 
on it and use it to switch between my Logitech wireless keyboard and the thumb 
drive.  Found it on fleaBay for less than 10 bucks but I don't remember now 
just which Chinese company had it listed.  Took about a week to get here from 
Hong Kong and the shipping was free.  

As stated in the firmware doc's, not all thumb drives are created equal and 
only some will work.  You may have to try more than one before you find one 
that works as I did.  The one I'm currently using is a SanDisk Cruzer Glide 
4gig I picked up at Walmart.  Don't remember the price.

Don't know the availability in the UK but I'm sure you can find something.

Jim - W0EB

 It might make sense to install a short USB extender cable for the
 back of the P3 so that either the keyboard or the USB drive can be
 inserted without mucking around at the back of the gear - I hate
 doing that!

 73 Stephen G4SJP



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[Elecraft] K3 mods by I7SWX

2013-02-28 Thread Twan at pa0kv.nl

Hi!
I just read all about the I7SWX mods and I was wondering what Elecraft's 
point of view is in this?

Are these mods really a major improvement? (Are is it 'crap'..)
Are there any plans in the near future to build a new mixer module with 
this technology?

What about the other mods;
- terminating the filter bank
- PSU voltage regulator noise

As allways.. very interested in K3 improvements 8-)

73's  Twan - PA0KV

K3 - 1770

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 mods by I7SWX

2013-02-28 Thread Wayne Burdick

Twan,

The K3 is one of the highest-performance radios available (very high  
on everyone's list, including Sherwood's). A small additional  
improvement in one or two parameters may be of interest to a few  
operators. The other 99.9% of K3 owners do not need to make any  
modifications.


73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Twan at pa0kv.nl wrote:


Hi!
I just read all about the I7SWX mods and I was wondering what  
Elecraft's point of view is in this?

Are these mods really a major improvement? (Are is it 'crap'..)
Are there any plans in the near future to build a new mixer module  
with this technology?

What about the other mods;
- terminating the filter bank
- PSU voltage regulator noise

As allways.. very interested in K3 improvements 8-)

73's  Twan - PA0KV

K3 - 1770

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Re: [Elecraft] Questions on Yamaha CM-500 boom headset with K3

2013-02-28 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2013 28 Feb 14:00 -0600, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Nate,
 
 You actually can leave the headset plugged into the back of the K3
 and the desk mic plugged into the front.
 Change the one that is active with the MIC SEL menu.  No extension
 cord required, and no fishing for the jacks.

Of course I *could* but I chose this method as I can then put the
headset away and clear some desk clutter.

73, de Nate, N0NB 

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Re: [Elecraft] Questions on Yamaha CM-500 boom headset with K3

2013-02-28 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2013 28 Feb 14:13 -0600, GDanner wrote:
 Nate,
 For What it is Worth:
 Might want to select microphones with a Macro if the sensitivity and/or 
 response is very different between the two microphones.

Already done right after I determined the settings needed for the
CM-500.  :-)

73, de Nate, N0NB 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 mods by I7SWX

2013-02-28 Thread Keith-K5ENS
Then again if you want your K3 to be one of the top .1% these mods will help.


73,

Keith, XE3/K5ENS



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2

2013-02-28 Thread Brian Mury
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:27 AM, edward kacura ekac...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Someone makes a KX-2 antenna tuner, I believe.

That would be Mizuho:  http://www.mizuhoradio.com/kx.html

Brian

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:27 AM, edward kacura ekac...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Well Wayne, if you guys ever did decide to do a KX2, I'd buy one...just 
 because !!

 Ed N7EDK   KX3, KX1, and K2.

 Someone makes a KX-2 antenna tuner, I believe.

 There is no Elecraft KX2, real or imagined.

 Wayne
 N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 New Features

2013-02-28 Thread Bill Clarke
Did not know there were significant differences between thumb drives. I 
have a couple of dozen of assorted makes/sizes and have never had a 
glitch with any of them. Are there specific models to stay away from for 
use with Elecraft?


Bill W2BLC


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 New Features

2013-02-28 Thread Ian White
All the 'plain vanilla' USB1 and USB2 drives that I tried would work with
the pre-beta firmware, but download times varied from 20 seconds up to
almost 50 seconds. The fastest that I tried was a Kingston Data Traveler 8GB
USB2.0. A drive labelled USB3.0 didn't work at all.

If Elecraft can move on to make that same USB port function with a mouse as
well, allowing point-and-click tuning (left click moves VFOA, right-click
moves VFOB) that would leave the PC-based SDRs with very little competitive
advantage.

 
73 from Ian GM3SEK


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 New Features

Did not know there were significant differences between thumb drives. I
have a couple of dozen of assorted makes/sizes and have never had a
glitch with any of them. Are there specific models to stay away from for
use with Elecraft?

Bill W2BLC


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[Elecraft] K2 exciting a Palomar TX5300 PA

2013-02-28 Thread Hans Elfelt Bonnesen
I have just concluded assembling a K2. Within a few weeks I will have an ATU 
installed too.
I wonder if this transceiver could work through a Palomar TX 5300 PA.?
The TX 5300, a solid state RF-amplifier, will put out a 500 watts PEP if fed by 
10 watts of excitation.

Hans , OZ5RB
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread hawley, charles j jr
I threw that Elecraft supplied cable away.

Chuck, KE9UW
AARL, CCA
Lionel Trains TCA, LCCA, LRRC
aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles BMWRA, BMWMOA #224

From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on 
behalf of Bill Clarke [b...@w2blc.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:11 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

Got it - it was worth dragging the desk out from the wall (no small
undertaking) so I could change the BNC cable from the K3 to the P3 with
an old mil-spec cable from my radar days.

With the replacement cable in place, all the ghosts vanished.

I have sent an email to support with the information and request for a
replacement cable.

Thanks to all who replied - the ghost spikes really did bug me, but I
was about to give up on it.

Bill W2BLC
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 exciting a Palomar TX5300 PA

2013-02-28 Thread Don Wilhelm

Hans,

I see no reason it would not work.  If the amplifier presents a good 50 
ohm load to the exciter, then I would suggest you forst tune the KAT2 
into a 50 ohm dummy load for ANT1.  Connect the amp to the ANT1 jack 
from the KAT2 and it should drive the amp just fine.
That leaves ANT2 to be used with another antenna for QRP operation. The 
KAT2 tuner remembers the tuning combination on a per band, per antenna 
basis, so if you do not change antennas (or the connection to the amp), 
all should be automatic when switching bands or from QRO to QRP operation.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/28/2013 5:21 PM, Hans Elfelt Bonnesen wrote:

I have just concluded assembling a K2. Within a few weeks I will have an ATU 
installed too.
I wonder if this transceiver could work through a Palomar TX 5300 PA.?
The TX 5300, a solid state RF-amplifier, will put out a 500 watts PEP if fed by 
10 watts of excitation.



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 New Features

2013-02-28 Thread Dale Boresz

Agreed!

The combination of mouse-based point-and-click tuning within the stable 
context of the P3's fixed-tune mode, would be a powerful asset.  This 
can currently be achieved with the LP-PAN/NaP3 combination, but it would 
be great to have that capability without the requirement of a separate 
computer.


73, Dale   WA8SRA

On 2/28/2013 5:12 PM, Ian White wrote:

...

If Elecraft can move on to make that same USB port function with a mouse as
well, allowing point-and-click tuning (left click moves VFOA, right-click
moves VFOB) that would leave the PC-based SDRs with very little competitive
advantage.

  
73 from Ian GM3SEK






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Re: [Elecraft] P3 New Features

2013-02-28 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Or purchase an A/B USB switch and leave both plugged in?
73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
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On 28 Feb 2013, at 20:09, Stephen Prior wrote:

 It might make sense to install a short USB extender cable for the back of
 the P3 so that either the keyboard or the USB drive can be inserted without
 mucking around at the back of the gear - I hate doing that!
 
 73 Stephen G4SJP
 
 
 On 28 February 2013 19:48, Mike K2MK k...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 The new P3 firmware has added some new items to the P3 menu and SVGA sub
 menu. The first one is labeled Amplifier and can be toggled on and off. It
 increases the height of the displayed signals on the P3 but does not change
 the amplitude scale on the left side. Obviously some further explanation is
 required.
 
 I slipped a thumb drive into the Keyboard socket on the SVGA board and then
 located some new items on the SVGA sub menu of the P3. By pressing the
 Select knob for the menu item SVGA Ubmp it loaded a bitmap image of the
 SVGA
 screen onto the thumb drive. It included decoded text that I had at the
 bottom of the screen. The image size was 1282KB for my 1280 x 1024 monitor
 setting.
 
 You might want to attach a pull string to your thumb drive. It's close
 proximity to the SVGA connector and the serial connector made it tough to
 get a good grip for thumb drive extraction.
 
 73,
 Mike K2MK
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 New Features

2013-02-28 Thread david Moes
Thumb drives are definitely not created equal.   other than download 
speeds there are other timing issues.  the combination of the OS on a 
desktop or laptop computer and the firmware on the motherboard seems to 
deal with poor quality thumb drives.  but just about any dedicated 
hardware that just has basic USB support will not like substandard thumb 
drives.At work we use thumb drives to load and upgrade firmware on 
much of our equipment and find that many types fail.Oddly its not 
always the more expensive brand names that work.   we have a bunch of 
no-name drives from an unknown source that just fine.The Kingston 
Data Traveler is the one that is recommended by engineering  and work well.




On 2/28/2013 16:42, Bill Clarke wrote:
Did not know there were significant differences between thumb drives. 
I have a couple of dozen of assorted makes/sizes and have never had a 
glitch with any of them. Are there specific models to stay away from 
for use with Elecraft?


Bill W2BLC


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[Elecraft] K3 vs. KX3 for digital modes

2013-02-28 Thread Stan AE7UT
I have both a K3 and KX3 and was thinking it would be nice to use my KX3 a
little
more in the shack.  Any advantage of using the K3 versus the KX3?

I have a Signalink USB that I used with my Icom 7K so I have to buy the
jumper and
cord.  I was thinking of maybe buying a Rigblaster Advantage because the
computer
sound card always seemed to be difficult to configure with the Icom.  
 
I know there is the wattage issue.  Is 12 watts going to be enough if I use
the KX3?
I know in the past with my Icom 7K I didn't use much wattage.  I haven't
done digital
for almost 2 years so it's all fuzzy to me now.

I'm using DXlabs for logging and rig control and was planning on using that
for the 
digital stuff unless you think there is a better option.

Thanks
Stan AE7UT
 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. KX3 for digital modes

2013-02-28 Thread WM3M

Stan,
I use both the K3 and KX3 for various digital modes.
I have both connected to a Signalink USB.
They both work very well for digital using the Signalink USB.
I would say the K3 is a little better since it is more flexible, you can 
leave the digital connections in place and not have to disconnect the mic on 
the KX3 when you want to use SSB.

Plus the K3 can provide a little more power when needed.
If you have any other questions let me know. 73
Emory   WM3M

-Original Message- 
From: Stan AE7UT

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:43 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 vs. KX3 for digital modes

I have both a K3 and KX3 and was thinking it would be nice to use my KX3 a
little
more in the shack.  Any advantage of using the K3 versus the KX3?

I have a Signalink USB that I used with my Icom 7K so I have to buy the
jumper and
cord.  I was thinking of maybe buying a Rigblaster Advantage because the
computer
sound card always seemed to be difficult to configure with the Icom.

I know there is the wattage issue.  Is 12 watts going to be enough if I use
the KX3?
I know in the past with my Icom 7K I didn't use much wattage.  I haven't
done digital
for almost 2 years so it's all fuzzy to me now.

I'm using DXlabs for logging and rig control and was planning on using that
for the
digital stuff unless you think there is a better option.

Thanks
Stan AE7UT




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. KX3 for digital modes

2013-02-28 Thread Bill Frantz
I have been doing PSK with 5 watts for several years. WHile many 
people report running 10 to 100 watts, 5 seems to get the job 
done for me, although I have a long list of stories about, The 
one that got away.


I did a bunch of RTTY at 5 watts in the North American QSP Party 
RTTY contest (my first real contest experience). I never lacked 
for contacts, although I missed one at the very end because the 
other guy could not read me. After about 4 repeats, he went off 
with 40 seconds to go and got another contact, so I don't feel 
too bad.


Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 2/28/13 at 4:43 PM, ae7...@gmail.com (Stan AE7UT) wrote:


I know there is the wattage issue.  Is 12 watts going to be enough if I use
the KX3?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. KX3 for digital modes

2013-02-28 Thread Gerald Manthey
My k2, k3 and kx3 do great on digital. I run 5 watt most the time. I have
run 25 watts before. But 5 watts have made many contacts in cw and psk31.
Good luck
Gerald.
On Feb 28, 2013 6:43 PM, Stan AE7UT ae7...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have both a K3 and KX3 and was thinking it would be nice to use my KX3 a
 little
 more in the shack.  Any advantage of using the K3 versus the KX3?

 I have a Signalink USB that I used with my Icom 7K so I have to buy the
 jumper and
 cord.  I was thinking of maybe buying a Rigblaster Advantage because the
 computer
 sound card always seemed to be difficult to configure with the Icom.

 I know there is the wattage issue.  Is 12 watts going to be enough if I use
 the KX3?
 I know in the past with my Icom 7K I didn't use much wattage.  I haven't
 done digital
 for almost 2 years so it's all fuzzy to me now.

 I'm using DXlabs for logging and rig control and was planning on using that
 for the
 digital stuff unless you think there is a better option.

 Thanks
 Stan AE7UT




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. KX3 for digital modes

2013-02-28 Thread Walter Underwood
You will not be running digital modes with 12W on the KX3. It is rated for 5W 
on digital modes. Some people prefer to run it it at 3W. I've seen photos of 
one KX3 modified with a big heat sink and fan for higher power on digital modes.

For modes that require extreme frequency stability (e.g. JT65), you may be 
better off with the K3. The KX3 does have an optional calibration procedure for 
better temperature compensation, but the K3 is probably better out of the box 
and has additional options for frequency stabilization.

wunder
K6WRU

On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Stan AE7UT wrote:

 I have both a K3 and KX3 and was thinking it would be nice to use my KX3 a
 little
 more in the shack.  Any advantage of using the K3 versus the KX3?
 
 I have a Signalink USB that I used with my Icom 7K so I have to buy the
 jumper and
 cord.  I was thinking of maybe buying a Rigblaster Advantage because the
 computer
 sound card always seemed to be difficult to configure with the Icom.  
 
 I know there is the wattage issue.  Is 12 watts going to be enough if I use
 the KX3?
 I know in the past with my Icom 7K I didn't use much wattage.  I haven't
 done digital
 for almost 2 years so it's all fuzzy to me now.
 
 I'm using DXlabs for logging and rig control and was planning on using that
 for the 
 digital stuff unless you think there is a better option.
 
 Thanks
 Stan AE7UT



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. KX3 for digital modes

2013-02-28 Thread K7JLTextra
I use my KX3 with an isolating (transformer) attenuating cord @ 5 watts with a 
24 foot wire antenna and it works very well. Tried to keep it simple with the 
KX3 for portable operation. 
I use a SignaLink USB with my K3  it also works. very well @ 10 watts. 

John Hendricks K7JLT

On Feb 28, 2013, at 16:43, Stan AE7UT ae7...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have both a K3 and KX3 and was thinking it would be nice to use my KX3 a
 little
 more in the shack.  Any advantage of using the K3 versus the KX3?
 
 I have a Signalink USB that I used with my Icom 7K so I have to buy the
 jumper and
 cord.  I was thinking of maybe buying a Rigblaster Advantage because the
 computer
 sound card always seemed to be difficult to configure with the Icom.  
 
 I know there is the wattage issue.  Is 12 watts going to be enough if I use
 the KX3?
 I know in the past with my Icom 7K I didn't use much wattage.  I haven't
 done digital
 for almost 2 years so it's all fuzzy to me now.
 
 I'm using DXlabs for logging and rig control and was planning on using that
 for the 
 digital stuff unless you think there is a better option.
 
 Thanks
 Stan AE7UT
 
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] Diagnostic commands accidentally left in P3 version 1.25

2013-02-28 Thread Paul Saffren N6HZ
By accident, two diagnostic commands in the P3 MCU firmware were left in for
the latest release of version 1.25.   These were menu items that allowed the
rear IF amplifier to be enabled and disabled along with a menu command that
allowed the LCD display to be re-initialized.Also the regular wig-wag
LEDs on the back of the P3 MCU board were disabled.  We've since corrected
the issue  by releasing version 1.26 of the P3 firmware, which is currently
available through regular firmware download.  Only the P3 firmware needs to
be updated.

Our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause you. 


Release notes for these versions:

MCU 01.26 / 2-28-2013

 

* Added an SVGA menu option to store a bitmap copy of the external monitor
screen to a USB mass storage device.
* Added SVGA menu options to save and restore the SVGA module's state to a
USB mass storage device.
* Added an alternate 1920x1080 external display resolution that works better
on some monitors.
* Eliminated extra characters on the display in certain circumstances when
the SPAN adjustment is active and a span-set function key is pressed.
* The maximum SCALE value is properly clipped to 80 dB when changing SPAN
with Menu:SpanScale set to REF LVL SCALE.

* Tweaked many parameter-setting routines to tune a little more slowly.
* Increased the memory depth of the algorithm that prevents false knob
rotation when pressing the knob switch.
* Fixed a bug that caused an occasional wrong cursor width due to a missing
mode command from the K3 when the SVGA is in data mode.
* The #RVS and #RVF commands respond properly if the SVGA option is not
present (99.99) or has only boot-load firmware installed (00.00).
* The SVGA is reset after a firmware download to prevent an incorrect
response to the #RVS command.
* The #FXT command properly sets the external SVGA as well as the main
display.
* Fixed a bug involving downloading K3 firmware when the SVGA data display
mode is enabled.
* Fixed a bug that could cause the external SVGA display to lock up when
turning the knob on the P3.

 

 

P3SVGA 01.16 / 02-26-2013

* Red transmit cursor is a lighter shade.
* Added additional query of K3 during TX which should eliminate screen
freeze some users were experiencing using MicroHam and other programs.
* Power computation routines now run under the optimizer resulting in faster
screen updates.
* Two 1900x1080 resolutions are supported to work across a larger number of
monitors.
* Added support for USB thumb drives (Mass Storage Devices) for screen shots
and saving SVGA data terminal setup, macros and text messages.  Most thumb
drives are supported. 
* Screen shots are saved in .bmp format using the filename convention
nnn.bmp .  The filename is incremented after every screen. Due to lack
of a real time clock, the file date  time is hard coded to 11-01-2010
9:00 am .
* Saving to the USB stick can be aborted by either pulling the stick, or by
pressing the MENU key on the P3.   
* Added display of an onscreen message when a USB device (keyboard or MSD)
is attached and detached.
* An uppercase M or K is now displayed in the lower right side of the data
window status bar when a mass storage device or keyboard is attached.
* Fixed frequency display bug when transverter frequency is  4 GHz
* Fixed bug in which top of markers  cursors were blanked over right and
left frequency labels.
* Waterfall display no longer clears when changing between fixed tune and
tracking modes.
* Fixed a bug that caused the VFO B cursor to suddenly vanish off the left
side of the screen.
* Rebuilt all FPGA files using a new file format, and set their versions to
1.04.
* Fixed a bug that caused a phantom signal to appear near the center
frequency immediately after switching from transmit to receive.
* Fixed screen save to USB drive to use monochrome color table when
selected.





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Re: [Elecraft] Questions on Yamaha CM-500 boom headset with K3

2013-02-28 Thread Rick Robinson
If I turn off the up/down in the menu then the radio stays on its
frequency, regardless of using mic bias or not. More research to come.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Jon Zaimes AA1K j...@verizon.net wrote:

  thanks Rick!

 On 2/28/2013 9:15 AM, Rick Robinson wrote:

 This may be apples to oranges, but, I use a Pyle headset with my kx3 and
 mine works with or without mic bias. But if I have the mic bias off the
 radio goes into scan mode. Don't know why. Just thought I'd mention this in
 case your K3 acts the same wayRick

 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Jon Zaimes AA1K j...@verizon.net wrote:

 Just bought one of these boom mic-headsets and plan to use with my K3's.

 Is the battery bias supply included with the headset needed?

 And do I need to adapt the microphone's 3-conductor mini phone plug to a
 2-conductor before plugging into the K3 rear-panel mic input?

 Thanks any help 

 73/Jon AA1K
 www.aa1k.us

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 New Features

2013-02-28 Thread Paul Saffren N6HZ
By accident, two diagnostic commands in the P3 MCU firmware were left in for
the latest release of version 1.25.   These were menu items that allowed the
rear IF amplifier to be enabled and disabled along with a menu command that
allowed the LCD display to be re-initialized.Also the regular wig-wag
LEDs on the back of the P3 MCU board were disabled.  We've since corrected
the issue  by releasing version 1.26 of the P3 firmware, which is currently
available through regular firmware download.  Only the P3 firmware needs to
be updated. 


73, 

Paul




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Re: [Elecraft] Questions on Yamaha CM-500 boom headset with K3

2013-02-28 Thread Eric Buggee

Hi All,
 Re Yamaha CM500 Headset with electret boom microphone.
The Battery Bias box as mentioned is supplied with the CM500 headset.

If used with the K3 the bias for the CM500 is supplied by the 
appropriate setting parameters as detailed in the K3 handbook and it is 
an excellent compliment to the K3.


You Just plug the respective CM500 plugs into the rear panel jacks 
labelled Mic  Phones  set Mic Bias On as per procedure in K3 handbook.


73 from,

Eric VK3AX.




On 3/1/2013 1:16 PM, Rick Robinson wrote:

If I turn off the up/down in the menu then the radio stays on its
frequency, regardless of using mic bias or not. More research to come.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Jon Zaimes AA1K j...@verizon.net wrote:


  thanks Rick!

On 2/28/2013 9:15 AM, Rick Robinson wrote:

This may be apples to oranges, but, I use a Pyle headset with my kx3 and
mine works with or without mic bias. But if I have the mic bias off the
radio goes into scan mode. Don't know why. Just thought I'd mention this in
case your K3 acts the same wayRick

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Jon Zaimes AA1K j...@verizon.net wrote:


Just bought one of these boom mic-headsets and plan to use with my K3's.

Is the battery bias supply included with the headset needed?

And do I need to adapt the microphone's 3-conductor mini phone plug to a
2-conductor before plugging into the K3 rear-panel mic input?

Thanks any help 

73/Jon AA1K
www.aa1k.us

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[Elecraft] OT P3 question

2013-02-28 Thread Sam Morgan

I have a couple of hams living .7miles and 1.3 miles from me.
On my P3 they both appear 6-8+ kc wide when viewed using the Peak function.
They both run different amps varying in power from 400w to 800w

I have spoken with them over the phone and while watching their signals
they are able to cut down their audio to where they are only 3kc wide.
One is still bumping S9 +40 and the other S9 +60 on the K3.

They seem to think their audio is to low at that point,
even though they are still given good reports out 300-600mi (on 80m)

My question(s)
they seem to think the only reason they appear that wide is because they are 
over powering my K3s front end. I think they are over driving their rigs audio.


any comments on what could be happening here?
Is it my K3/P3's fault they look that wide,
or are they just wanting to see their meters swing up higher than they should,
and so are actually over driving their rigs?

TIA
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K5OAI
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Re: [Elecraft] OT P3 question

2013-02-28 Thread Keith Heimbold
I have a ham that lives within .5 miles of me who works primarily on VHF bands 
and has been written about in QST for his 6m prowess in contests. When he 
operates he takes up 25 kc on 6m and basically wipes out the ssb portion of the 
band and sometimes even more down into the top of CW portion.

As he is a famous vhf guy in the area i brought this up to some folks at hro 
and they say it must be the front end issue with my K3. I feel for your 
situation as I doubt there is much that I can do since he is so close and come 
contest time on 6m I don't even go on the band.

Thank goodness he is not an HF guy.

Keith
AK6ZZ

Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos

On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:46 PM, Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a couple of hams living .7miles and 1.3 miles from me.
 On my P3 they both appear 6-8+ kc wide when viewed using the Peak function.
 They both run different amps varying in power from 400w to 800w
 
 I have spoken with them over the phone and while watching their signals
 they are able to cut down their audio to where they are only 3kc wide.
 One is still bumping S9 +40 and the other S9 +60 on the K3.
 
 They seem to think their audio is to low at that point,
 even though they are still given good reports out 300-600mi (on 80m)
 
 My question(s)
 they seem to think the only reason they appear that wide is because they are 
 over powering my K3s front end. I think they are over driving their rigs 
 audio.
 
 any comments on what could be happening here?
 Is it my K3/P3's fault they look that wide,
 or are they just wanting to see their meters swing up higher than they should,
 and so are actually over driving their rigs?
 
 TIA
 -- 
 
 GB  73
 K5OAI
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Re: [Elecraft] OT P3 question

2013-02-28 Thread Gary K9GS

Just a guess...ICOM radios??


On 2/28/2013 9:46 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:

I have a couple of hams living .7miles and 1.3 miles from me.
On my P3 they both appear 6-8+ kc wide when viewed using the Peak 
function.

They both run different amps varying in power from 400w to 800w

I have spoken with them over the phone and while watching their signals
they are able to cut down their audio to where they are only 3kc wide.
One is still bumping S9 +40 and the other S9 +60 on the K3.

They seem to think their audio is to low at that point,
even though they are still given good reports out 300-600mi (on 80m)

My question(s)
they seem to think the only reason they appear that wide is because 
they are over powering my K3s front end. I think they are over driving 
their rigs audio.


any comments on what could be happening here?
Is it my K3/P3's fault they look that wide,
or are they just wanting to see their meters swing up higher than they 
should,

and so are actually over driving their rigs?

TIA


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Re: [Elecraft] OT P3 question

2013-02-28 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Sam, the K3 has a very robust front end. Even so, any receiver can be
overloaded. But it's hard to imagine how any 600 watt station a mile away
could overload the receiver. 

I would begin by making sure the K3 preamp (and. if you are have it, the PR6
preamp) is off and probably turn the K3 attenuator on to get his signal
level down in the range of other signals. If that doesn't do it. Try
replacing your antenna with a hank of wire to pick up his signal. 

If he is still that wide showing an S-meter of less than S-9+40, you can bet
the problem is his signal.

It's hard to argue when the receiving station points out that at a signal
level of only S9 his signal is still broad as the proverbial barn. 

73 Ron AC7AC


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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] OT P3 question

I have a couple of hams living .7miles and 1.3 miles from me.
On my P3 they both appear 6-8+ kc wide when viewed using the Peak function.
They both run different amps varying in power from 400w to 800w

I have spoken with them over the phone and while watching their signals they
are able to cut down their audio to where they are only 3kc wide.
One is still bumping S9 +40 and the other S9 +60 on the K3.

They seem to think their audio is to low at that point, even though they are
still given good reports out 300-600mi (on 80m)

My question(s)
they seem to think the only reason they appear that wide is because they are
over powering my K3s front end. I think they are over driving their rigs
audio.

any comments on what could be happening here?
Is it my K3/P3's fault they look that wide, or are they just wanting to see
their meters swing up higher than they should, and so are actually over
driving their rigs?

TIA
-- 

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K5OAI
Sam Morgan
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Re: [Elecraft] OT P3 question

2013-02-28 Thread Don Wilhelm

Sam,

I have operated my K3 during Field Day and listened to other stations at 
the same Field Day site without overloading the K3.
As Ron points out, bring the signals down to an S-9 level with the 
preamp off and attenuation if necessary and then see what the P3 says 
about their width.  I suspect they are overdriving their transmitter.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/28/2013 10:46 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:

I have a couple of hams living .7miles and 1.3 miles from me.
On my P3 they both appear 6-8+ kc wide when viewed using the Peak 
function.

They both run different amps varying in power from 400w to 800w

I have spoken with them over the phone and while watching their signals
they are able to cut down their audio to where they are only 3kc wide.
One is still bumping S9 +40 and the other S9 +60 on the K3.

They seem to think their audio is to low at that point,
even though they are still given good reports out 300-600mi (on 80m)

My question(s)
they seem to think the only reason they appear that wide is because 
they are over powering my K3s front end. I think they are over driving 
their rigs audio.


any comments on what could be happening here?
Is it my K3/P3's fault they look that wide,
or are they just wanting to see their meters swing up higher than they 
should,

and so are actually over driving their rigs?

TIA


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - spikes that never move

2013-02-28 Thread Ian White
To expand a previous posting: 

I can only speak for the cable that was supplied with my own P3, but that
was definitely the cause of spurious signals on the display. The signals
were not strong, but they made it impossible to watch for weak openings on
the 10m and 6m bands.

After cutting away the strain relief moldings at both ends of the cable, I
found that the coax shield was not correctly crimped onto the plug body.
This was undoubtedly the cause of the signal leakage. Continuity looked OK
on the ohm-meter, but signal levels at the IF input of the P3 are extremely
low so this was a case where simple DC continuity wasn't good enough. 

Ferrite beads at both ends of the cable did make some improvement (which was
a big clue about the cause) but ferrite beads would not have been the
correct way to fix the problem. The only correct way was to use a correctly
assembled cable.



73 from Ian GM3SEK

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Re: [Elecraft] OT P3 question

2013-02-28 Thread Richard Fjeld
The way to resolve this is to compare to other signals.  I see very nicely 
shaped signals with straight skirts within 3 KHz at times, and other signals 
that look like a pine tree.  

A nearby ham lives less than 2 miles from me and runs an amp. Sometimes his 
signal is clean, and sometimes he overdrives.  And when I see it wide, others 
with SDR pan adapters 150 miles away see it too.  So it isn't a close-distance 
thing. Now that he has an SDR pan-adapter, he is more conscious of signal 
width.  Years back, we operated under the threat of getting a pink ticket if we 
erred. 

Rich, n0ce


- Original Message - 
  From: Sam Morgan 
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
  Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:46 PM
  Subject: [Elecraft] OT P3 question


  I have a couple of hams living .7miles and 1.3 miles from me.
  On my P3 they both appear 6-8+ kc wide when viewed using the Peak function.
  They both run different amps varying in power from 400w to 800w

  I have spoken with them over the phone and while watching their signals
  they are able to cut down their audio to where they are only 3kc wide.
  One is still bumping S9 +40 and the other S9 +60 on the K3.

  They seem to think their audio is to low at that point,
  even though they are still given good reports out 300-600mi (on 80m)

  My question(s)
  they seem to think the only reason they appear that wide is because they are 
  over powering my K3s front end. I think they are over driving their rigs 
audio.

  any comments on what could be happening here?
  Is it my K3/P3's fault they look that wide,
  or are they just wanting to see their meters swing up higher than they should,
  and so are actually over driving their rigs?

  TIA
  -- 

  GB  73
  K5OAI
  Sam Morgan
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