Re: [Elecraft] New K3 user... Can't figure out how to set up, and use sub receiver
When I first set up for digital modes on my K3 (probably in 2010) when I long-pressed DATA MD and rotated VFO-B to select DATA-A it came up in LSB instead of USB. I was on 28-MHz so SSB ran USB, but not DATA. I do not recall exactly, but I forced it to USB (I think using the MODE button). Never had it change sidebands in DATA-A after that. Of course several updates of firmware since then so maybe it was a bug that got fixed?? I'm still using firmware rev 5.67 (should probably update it). --- Note: New in my shack is an IC9700 (talk about complicated and then there is the whole touch screen nonsense). Spectrum display will be nice, though. I already get that with my SDR-IQ running in parallel with the K3. I might be on 6m FT8 during FD from home. My HF triband appears shot (atu will not tune it-guessing problem with the traps) so no luck for running 20-10m. I have a potential replacement from an estate sale. 73, Ed -KL7UW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 user... Can't figure out how to set up and use sub receiver
One possible gotcha is that the sub receiver is an option on the K3, and you need to set a configuration menu item to say that it is installed. The process is mentioned in the KRX3 manual and at the end of the K3 manual where the various menu items are described. Hold the CONFIG button (the button is labeled "Menu") located near the top left of the front panel. Rotate VFO B until you see "KRX3" in the bottom line of the LCD screen. Rotate VFO A to Ant = ATU or Ant = bnc depending on your use of a 2nd antenna (mine says ANT = ATU). Leave the menu (by tapping the MENU button again), then turn on the SUB by tapping the SUB button on the bottom right of VFO A. the "SUB" icon (surrounded by a box) should appear beneath the two VFO frequencies on the LCD screen. Adjust the main and sub receiver volumes with the concentric RF and AF gain knobs. You can decide whether to hear the sub and main mixed into both headphones by the L - MIX - R menu item, mine is set to A b so that I hear the main and sub receivers simultaneously, one in each ear. Other possible problems are that the sub receiver may be switched to a different antenna, to check this, HOLD BSET (to the top right of the LCD screen), then set the ANT to the appropriate antenna for VFO B and make sure that the RX ANT is as you expect it to be. 73 de Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 12:06 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 user... Can't figure out how to set up and use sub receiver On 6/20/2021 11:31 AM, Richard Isaacs via Elecraft wrote: > Before using Elecraft, I used a Yaesu Ft 1000MP Mark-V Field and it > was a mere touch of a button to use the sub receiver. I have scoured > Pages 37/38 and still have not come up with a way to individually use the 2 receivers. Gee, it's trivially easy. Push the SUB button to turn it on. With headphones set for stereo, you'll hear it in your right ear, with the main RX in your left ear. Once it's on, a long push on the SUB button puts you in Diversity mode, for which you need a second antenna and an input for it. Perhaps study of the rest of manual might be a good thing. Over the years, I've owned ICOM, Yaesu, an Ten Tec rigs, and their user interfaces have all differed radically from each other. The Elecraft UI is, by far, the best of them all, but you have to RTFM to understand it. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 user... Can't figure out how to set up and use sub receiver
On 6/20/2021 11:31 AM, Richard Isaacs via Elecraft wrote: Before using Elecraft, I used a Yaesu Ft 1000MP Mark-V Field and it was a mere touch of a button to use the sub receiver. I have scoured Pages 37/38 and still have not come up with a way to individually use the 2 receivers. Gee, it's trivially easy. Push the SUB button to turn it on. With headphones set for stereo, you'll hear it in your right ear, with the main RX in your left ear. Once it's on, a long push on the SUB button puts you in Diversity mode, for which you need a second antenna and an input for it. Perhaps study of the rest of manual might be a good thing. Over the years, I've owned ICOM, Yaesu, an Ten Tec rigs, and their user interfaces have all differed radically from each other. The Elecraft UI is, by far, the best of them all, but you have to RTFM to understand it. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 user... Can't figure out how to set up and use sub receiver
How this got to you I don’t know. I tried sending it to the reflector and it came back as well. We’ll try again. > On Jun 20, 2021, at 2:31 PM, Richard Isaacs wrote: > > Before using Elecraft, I used a Yaesu Ft 1000MP Mark-V Field and it was a > mere touch of a button to use the sub receiver. I have scoured Pages 37/38 > and still have not come up with a way to individually use the 2 receivers. > Perhaps it is in the setting, although I did adhere to the directions for > separate frequencies on each receiver. I am using a Butternut HF-9V antenna > for both. What I need is to switch back and forth between the two receivers > and be able to hear a speak on both. > > I hope someone will help me as I feel I am losing half the receiver, and I > am sure it is much simpler than I imagine. > > Thanks in advance, > > Rick/W3RKI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
Not true, Jorge! I have used it mobile, at conventions, and many radio club demos. Don't forget about the Android client for RRC (Nano) (they need a new one, but old one works). If you have your station fully automated as far as band switching, the NANO client works perfectly on your phone. I understand what you are asking for -- and it will come! 73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:26 PM Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > Hello Gerry > > Elecraft + remoterig works very good. > > I think once´s VY1AAA setup was ready, you left it there for all this > years. > > I am thinking about the case i need to travel every week, 3 days a week, > and i want to take my remote solution with me. > > Something easiest to connect and get ready will be grate for this cases > > 73, > Jorge > > El jue., 7 mar. 2019 a las 13:45, Gerry Hull () escribió: > >> I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the >> K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini. >> >> One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for >> Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after >> week once it has >> been configured properly. >> >> Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is >> comparing Apples to Oranges. I would hold Flex to an even higher >> standard: It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft + >> RemoteRig stuff was on the market. >> >> Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have >> a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel >> and >> radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream). >> >> So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which >> is growing rapidly. I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their >> hands >> regarding remote. >> >> I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New >> Hampshire. The remote end is simple DSL. The technology rocks. >> Packaging is the result of multiple vendors. >> >> 73, >> >> Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM >> Trustee, VY1AAA >> Hancock, NH >> >> Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA >> Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops >> ge...@w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me) >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft < >> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: >> >> > Fred: >> > >> > >> > > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey wrote: >> > > >> > > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ >> or >> > > K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old >> > tech. >> > > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. >> > >> > >> > I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 >> > through Maestro remotely. Both approaches have their advantages and >> > disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges. >> > >> > The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external >> > boxes, cabling, and settings. However, once up and running it is very >> good >> > and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for >> > radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 >> > station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max >> > upload of 1.2 MBps. In most cases, it is 768 Mbps. In addition, it is >> a >> > ’self-contained’ system where no one else has connectivity and the >> > connection is directly between the remote and the K3. I am not >> dependent >> > upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections. >> However, >> > this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and >> KAT500. >> > >> > The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I >> use >> > a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an >> Orion >> > Rotor). Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would >> take >> > uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the >> KAT500 >> > which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely. I’ve done >> > this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because >> it >> > requires a PC to run it. I hope at some point that Remote Rig would >> > upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any >> web-capable >> > device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.). >> > >> > Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since >> September >> > 2014 without problems. I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different >> > locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham >> > station on site. >> > >> > The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and >> of >> > course it has a remote panadapter capabiity. But it has taken Flex over >> > five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost >> > and requires greater upload bandwidth. SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in >> 2017 >> > which
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
Hello Gerry Elecraft + remoterig works very good. I think once´s VY1AAA setup was ready, you left it there for all this years. I am thinking about the case i need to travel every week, 3 days a week, and i want to take my remote solution with me. Something easiest to connect and get ready will be grate for this cases 73, Jorge El jue., 7 mar. 2019 a las 13:45, Gerry Hull () escribió: > I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the > K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini. > > One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for > Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after > week once it has > been configured properly. > > Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is > comparing Apples to Oranges. I would hold Flex to an even higher > standard: It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft + > RemoteRig stuff was on the market. > > Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have > a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel and > radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream). > > So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which > is growing rapidly. I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their hands > regarding remote. > > I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New > Hampshire. The remote end is simple DSL. The technology rocks. > Packaging is the result of multiple vendors. > > 73, > > Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM > Trustee, VY1AAA > Hancock, NH > > Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA > Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops > ge...@w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me) > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft < > elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > > Fred: > > > > > > > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey wrote: > > > > > > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ > or > > > K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old > > tech. > > > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. > > > > > > I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 > > through Maestro remotely. Both approaches have their advantages and > > disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges. > > > > The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external > > boxes, cabling, and settings. However, once up and running it is very > good > > and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for > > radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 > > station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max > > upload of 1.2 MBps. In most cases, it is 768 Mbps. In addition, it is a > > ’self-contained’ system where no one else has connectivity and the > > connection is directly between the remote and the K3. I am not dependent > > upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections. However, > > this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and > KAT500. > > > > The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use > > a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an > Orion > > Rotor). Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would > take > > uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500 > > which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely. I’ve done > > this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because it > > requires a PC to run it. I hope at some point that Remote Rig would > > upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any > web-capable > > device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.). > > > > Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since > September > > 2014 without problems. I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different > > locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham > > station on site. > > > > The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and > of > > course it has a remote panadapter capabiity. But it has taken Flex over > > five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost > > and requires greater upload bandwidth. SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in > 2017 > > which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at the > > shack. Flex’s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to > > establish a secure link, a license fee if you’re upgrading from Version 1 > > to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR. > Flex > > Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely. The > PGXL > > amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running > > SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site. However, the “Tuner Genius” > > that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released,
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
Well said Gerry, Fred AE On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 10:45 AM Gerry Hull wrote: > I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the > K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini. > > One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for > Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after > week once it has > been configured properly. > > Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is > comparing Apples to Oranges. I would hold Flex to an even higher > standard: It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft + > RemoteRig stuff was on the market. > > Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have > a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel and > radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream). > > So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which > is growing rapidly. I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their hands > regarding remote. > > I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New > Hampshire. The remote end is simple DSL. The technology rocks. > Packaging is the result of multiple vendors. > > 73, > > Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM > Trustee, VY1AAA > Hancock, NH > > Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA > Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops > ge...@w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me) > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft < > elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: > >> Fred: >> >> >> > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey wrote: >> > >> > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or >> > K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old >> tech. >> > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. >> >> >> I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 >> through Maestro remotely. Both approaches have their advantages and >> disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges. >> >> The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external >> boxes, cabling, and settings. However, once up and running it is very good >> and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for >> radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 >> station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max >> upload of 1.2 MBps. In most cases, it is 768 Mbps. In addition, it is a >> ’self-contained’ system where no one else has connectivity and the >> connection is directly between the remote and the K3. I am not dependent >> upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections. However, >> this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and KAT500. >> >> The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use >> a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an Orion >> Rotor). Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would take >> uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500 >> which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely. I’ve done >> this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because it >> requires a PC to run it. I hope at some point that Remote Rig would >> upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any web-capable >> device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.). >> >> Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since >> September 2014 without problems. I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two >> different locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a >> ham station on site. >> >> The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and >> of course it has a remote panadapter capabiity. But it has taken Flex over >> five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost >> and requires greater upload bandwidth. SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in 2017 >> which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at the >> shack. Flex’s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to >> establish a secure link, a license fee if you’re upgrading from Version 1 >> to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR. Flex >> Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely. The PGXL >> amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running >> SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site. However, the “Tuner Genius” >> that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released, so I’m limited >> to using my EFHW antenna to the KAT500 and the K3 setup since I do need to >> use a tuner with it. I will say that the bandwidth requirements of the >> Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is significantly less than in the >> past so it works more reliably in “Low Bandwidth" mode. I also keep a >> Maestro in both Texas and New England. >> >> Having two different
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini. One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after week once it has been configured properly. Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is comparing Apples to Oranges. I would hold Flex to an even higher standard: It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft + RemoteRig stuff was on the market. Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel and radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream). So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which is growing rapidly. I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their hands regarding remote. I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New Hampshire. The remote end is simple DSL. The technology rocks. Packaging is the result of multiple vendors. 73, Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM Trustee, VY1AAA Hancock, NH Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops ge...@w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me) On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft < elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Fred: > > > > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey wrote: > > > > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or > > K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old > tech. > > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. > > > I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 > through Maestro remotely. Both approaches have their advantages and > disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges. > > The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external > boxes, cabling, and settings. However, once up and running it is very good > and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for > radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 > station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max > upload of 1.2 MBps. In most cases, it is 768 Mbps. In addition, it is a > ’self-contained’ system where no one else has connectivity and the > connection is directly between the remote and the K3. I am not dependent > upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections. However, > this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and KAT500. > > The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use > a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an Orion > Rotor). Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would take > uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500 > which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely. I’ve done > this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because it > requires a PC to run it. I hope at some point that Remote Rig would > upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any web-capable > device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.). > > Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since September > 2014 without problems. I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different > locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham > station on site. > > The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and of > course it has a remote panadapter capabiity. But it has taken Flex over > five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost > and requires greater upload bandwidth. SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in 2017 > which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at the > shack. Flex’s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to > establish a secure link, a license fee if you’re upgrading from Version 1 > to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR. Flex > Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely. The PGXL > amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running > SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site. However, the “Tuner Genius” > that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released, so I’m limited > to using my EFHW antenna to the KAT500 and the K3 setup since I do need to > use a tuner with it. I will say that the bandwidth requirements of the > Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is significantly less than in the > past so it works more reliably in “Low Bandwidth" mode. I also keep a > Maestro in both Texas and New England. > > Having two different remote systems with different feature sets does > provide some advantages: > > -Redundancy. In the event one system has a remote issue, I have the other > to use as a backup. > > -Flexibility. I like to
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
Mitch: > On Feb 28, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX wrote: > > Barry, > > Understand your standpoint now, but that is the opposite of what you wrote > below. You said that you wanted to be able to run the KAT-500 utility > remotely, which prompted me to let you know about the serial servers that > would be the solution. The Apple part of course makes that somewhat more > complicated. I don’t believe I changed anything in my posting. I originally stated that I was already controlling the KAT500 remotely through a serial-to-ethernet interface. (My original post stated, "What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500 which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely. I’ve done this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t like it because it requires a PC to run it”) By “direct controllability” I mean not using a PC running specific software (KAT500 utility) requiring virtual com ports and instead using a web-based interface such as the RC-1216H for ease of use and compatibility with a multitude of devices to control it. Until such an interface is available, however, I’m forced to stick with the current solution of using a PC, virtual serial port(s), serial-to-ethernet converter, and KAT500 utility software. Much about remote operating boils down to personal preference. There is no ‘right’ answer; rather how one uses their station, lessons learned over time, and new technical offerings will cause evolution of how ‘best’ it can be done on a case-by-case basis. How I manage my station today is totally different that what I did back in 2014. > > Hopefully someone on the list will now know about these devices which are > wonderful to use for remoting. I agree these devices are very helpful; without the Lantronics EDS4100 my setup would be much more “kludgy” to manage the KAT500 remotely. 73, Barry, WD4ASW > > 73, > Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX > > -- > Mitch Wolfson K7DX / DJ0QN > 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 > Skype: mitchwo > USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 > Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile/WhatsApp:+49 172 8374436 > > On 28.02.2019 14:52, Barry Baines wrote: >> Mitch: >> >>> On Feb 28, 2019, at 11:27 AM, Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX >>> wrote: >>> >>> Barry, >>> >>> I have been using serial to ethernet servers for over 10 years to control >>> rotors, amplifiers and other serial devices. You set these up once and can >>> forget about them. You install a virtual serial port on the control PC for >>> which you can use any kind of client software to control that device, but >>> there is of course no web interface. No local PC on the radio side needs to >>> be running. I use these devices instead of the (expensive) dedicated >>> RC-1216H devices that only provide a web interface. My favorite ones are >>> the Lantronix UDS2100, which I have bought over Ebay. >> I’m currently using the Lantronics EDS4100 serial-to-ethernet which works >> well. As you note, one creates a virtual com port on the controlling PC >> running Windows. This device can manage up to four serial ports at the >> remote site. Thus, I have the virtual com configuration installed on >> Win-7Pro machine in the shack as well as on a Win10Pro virtual machine >> running on my MacBook Pro running Parallels that’s with me. >> >> However, that’s the problem… I want to use web-based devices because I have >> no desire to run a Windows in the shack or where I am. A web-based device >> such as the RC-1216H is much more convenient, doesn’t require a PC to access >> and avoids having to specially configure the controlling computer such as is >> required to manage a Lantronics device that is only compatible with Windows >> OS. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve used my iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, >> etc. to remotely manage my station to turn on/off devices (through West >> Mountain Radio’s 4005i) or even reboot computers (through Digital Loggers >> Pro Switch). >> >>> Note that the WebSwitch 1216H (not the RC-1216H) allows rotor control and >>> also has a serial port server to provide a virtual serial port. This port >>> can however only be used for the rotor, plus the web interface and virtual >>> serial port can not be used at the same time. >> >> To further clarify: >> >> The RC-1216H can be configured to manage the KPA-500, the SteppIR, >> ACOM-200A, Expert 1K-FA, and specific rotators. According to the RC-1216H >> manual, “At the moment it support Prositel rotators with the D-type control >> box, AlfaSpid rotators, rotators controlled by Green Heron control box and >> other rotators with serial interfaces with the DCU-1 protocol.” In my case, >> the RC-1216H is compatible with the Green Heron RT-21 control box. Along >> with managing the rotor direction, jt can also power on/off the Green Heron >> controller through a relay box (such as from West Mountain Radio) that >> allows 12 VDC to
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
Barry, Understand your standpoint now, but that is the opposite of what you wrote below. You said that you wanted to be able to run the KAT-500 utility remotely, which prompted me to let you know about the serial servers that would be the solution. The Apple part of course makes that somewhat more complicated. Hopefully someone on the list will now know about these devices which are wonderful to use for remoting. 73, Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX -- Mitch Wolfson K7DX / DJ0QN 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 Skype: mitchwo USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile/WhatsApp:+49 172 8374436 On 28.02.2019 14:52, Barry Baines wrote: Mitch: On Feb 28, 2019, at 11:27 AM, Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX wrote: Barry, I have been using serial to ethernet servers for over 10 years to control rotors, amplifiers and other serial devices. You set these up once and can forget about them. You install a virtual serial port on the control PC for which you can use any kind of client software to control that device, but there is of course no web interface. No local PC on the radio side needs to be running. I use these devices instead of the (expensive) dedicated RC-1216H devices that only provide a web interface. My favorite ones are the Lantronix UDS2100, which I have bought over Ebay. I’m currently using the Lantronics EDS4100 serial-to-ethernet which works well. As you note, one creates a virtual com port on the controlling PC running Windows. This device can manage up to four serial ports at the remote site. Thus, I have the virtual com configuration installed on Win-7Pro machine in the shack as well as on a Win10Pro virtual machine running on my MacBook Pro running Parallels that’s with me. However, that’s the problem… I want to use web-based devices because I have no desire to run a Windows in the shack or where I am. A web-based device such as the RC-1216H is much more convenient, doesn’t require a PC to access and avoids having to specially configure the controlling computer such as is required to manage a Lantronics device that is only compatible with Windows OS. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve used my iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, etc. to remotely manage my station to turn on/off devices (through West Mountain Radio’s 4005i) or even reboot computers (through Digital Loggers Pro Switch). Note that the WebSwitch 1216H (not the RC-1216H) allows rotor control and also has a serial port server to provide a virtual serial port. This port can however only be used for the rotor, plus the web interface and virtual serial port can not be used at the same time. To further clarify: The RC-1216H can be configured to manage the KPA-500, the SteppIR, ACOM-200A, Expert 1K-FA, and specific rotators. According to the RC-1216H manual, “At the moment it support Prositel rotators with the D-type control box, AlfaSpid rotators, rotators controlled by Green Heron control box and other rotators with serial interfaces with the DCU-1 protocol.” In my case, the RC-1216H is compatible with the Green Heron RT-21 control box. Along with managing the rotor direction, jt can also power on/off the Green Heron controller through a relay box (such as from West Mountain Radio) that allows 12 VDC to power on/off a 120 VAC device. Keep the Green Heron power switch set to ‘on’ and I have remote on/off capability for the Green Heron itself through the RC-1216H. Thus, I have two RC-1216H devices: one to manage the KPA500 and the other to manage my Green Heron/Orion rotor system. The Webswitch 1216H is certainly an alternative for rotor control and people do get confused with the two model designations. When I ordered the RC-1216H from HRO, they sent me the webswitch 1216H in error. I like the RC-1216H because it is a simple RS232 cable connection between the RC-1216H and Green Heron; configure the RC-1216H to manage a rotor, and it basically works out-of-the-box.There are eight predefined aziumth bearings that can be labeled as well as the ability to direct the antenna to a specific bearing. In summary, the trend is for more seamless web-based management of remote devices both in the consumer market and amateur radio as it eliminates the need for specific hardware/software to remotely manage devices. If I could replace using KAT-500 Utility software with a web-based device such as the RC-1216H to manage the tuner, I could stick with running Apple devices (and avoid running Windows under Parallels on a MacBook Pro) and be able to fully control my K3 station from anywhere (in conjunction with the K3/0-Mini). 73, Barry, WD4ASW (Keller, TX) 73, Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX -- Mitch Wolfson K7DX / DJ0QN 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 Skype: mitchwo USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile/WhatsApp:+49 172 8374436
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
Mitch: > On Feb 28, 2019, at 11:27 AM, Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX wrote: > > Barry, > > I have been using serial to ethernet servers for over 10 years to control > rotors, amplifiers and other serial devices. You set these up once and can > forget about them. You install a virtual serial port on the control PC for > which you can use any kind of client software to control that device, but > there is of course no web interface. No local PC on the radio side needs to > be running. I use these devices instead of the (expensive) dedicated RC-1216H > devices that only provide a web interface. My favorite ones are the Lantronix > UDS2100, which I have bought over Ebay. I’m currently using the Lantronics EDS4100 serial-to-ethernet which works well. As you note, one creates a virtual com port on the controlling PC running Windows. This device can manage up to four serial ports at the remote site. Thus, I have the virtual com configuration installed on Win-7Pro machine in the shack as well as on a Win10Pro virtual machine running on my MacBook Pro running Parallels that’s with me. However, that’s the problem… I want to use web-based devices because I have no desire to run a Windows in the shack or where I am. A web-based device such as the RC-1216H is much more convenient, doesn’t require a PC to access and avoids having to specially configure the controlling computer such as is required to manage a Lantronics device that is only compatible with Windows OS. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve used my iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, etc. to remotely manage my station to turn on/off devices (through West Mountain Radio’s 4005i) or even reboot computers (through Digital Loggers Pro Switch). > > Note that the WebSwitch 1216H (not the RC-1216H) allows rotor control and > also has a serial port server to provide a virtual serial port. This port can > however only be used for the rotor, plus the web interface and virtual serial > port can not be used at the same time. To further clarify: The RC-1216H can be configured to manage the KPA-500, the SteppIR, ACOM-200A, Expert 1K-FA, and specific rotators. According to the RC-1216H manual, “At the moment it support Prositel rotators with the D-type control box, AlfaSpid rotators, rotators controlled by Green Heron control box and other rotators with serial interfaces with the DCU-1 protocol.” In my case, the RC-1216H is compatible with the Green Heron RT-21 control box. Along with managing the rotor direction, jt can also power on/off the Green Heron controller through a relay box (such as from West Mountain Radio) that allows 12 VDC to power on/off a 120 VAC device. Keep the Green Heron power switch set to ‘on’ and I have remote on/off capability for the Green Heron itself through the RC-1216H. Thus, I have two RC-1216H devices: one to manage the KPA500 and the other to manage my Green Heron/Orion rotor system. The Webswitch 1216H is certainly an alternative for rotor control and people do get confused with the two model designations. When I ordered the RC-1216H from HRO, they sent me the webswitch 1216H in error. I like the RC-1216H because it is a simple RS232 cable connection between the RC-1216H and Green Heron; configure the RC-1216H to manage a rotor, and it basically works out-of-the-box.There are eight predefined aziumth bearings that can be labeled as well as the ability to direct the antenna to a specific bearing. In summary, the trend is for more seamless web-based management of remote devices both in the consumer market and amateur radio as it eliminates the need for specific hardware/software to remotely manage devices. If I could replace using KAT-500 Utility software with a web-based device such as the RC-1216H to manage the tuner, I could stick with running Apple devices (and avoid running Windows under Parallels on a MacBook Pro) and be able to fully control my K3 station from anywhere (in conjunction with the K3/0-Mini). 73, Barry, WD4ASW (Keller, TX) > > 73, > Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX > > -- > Mitch Wolfson K7DX / DJ0QN > 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 > Skype: mitchwo > USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 > Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile/WhatsApp:+49 172 8374436 > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
Barry, I have been using serial to ethernet servers for over 10 years to control rotors, amplifiers and other serial devices. You set these up once and can forget about them. You install a virtual serial port on the control PC for which you can use any kind of client software to control that device, but there is of course no web interface. No local PC on the radio side needs to be running. I use these devices instead of the (expensive) dedicated RC-1216H devices that only provide a web interface. My favorite ones are the Lantronix UDS2100, which I have bought over Ebay. Note that the WebSwitch 1216H (not the RC-1216H) allows rotor control and also has a serial port server to provide a virtual serial port. This port can however only be used for the rotor, plus the web interface and virtual serial port can not be used at the same time. 73, Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX -- Mitch Wolfson K7DX / DJ0QN 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 Skype: mitchwo USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile/WhatsApp:+49 172 8374436 On 28.02.2019 11:56, Barry Baines via Elecraft wrote: Fred: On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey wrote: A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old tech. The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 through Maestro remotely. Both approaches have their advantages and disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges. The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external boxes, cabling, and settings. However, once up and running it is very good and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max upload of 1.2 MBps. In most cases, it is 768 Mbps. In addition, it is a ’self-contained’ system where no one else has connectivity and the connection is directly between the remote and the K3. I am not dependent upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections. However, this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and KAT500. The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an Orion Rotor). Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would take uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500 which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely. I’ve done this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because it requires a PC to run it. I hope at some point that Remote Rig would upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any web-capable device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.). Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since September 2014 without problems. I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham station on site. The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and of course it has a remote panadapter capabiity. But it has taken Flex over five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost and requires greater upload bandwidth. SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in 2017 which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at the shack. Flex’s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to establish a secure link, a license fee if you’re upgrading from Version 1 to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR. Flex Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely. The PGXL amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site. However, the “Tuner Genius” that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released, so I’m limited to using my EFHW antenna to the KAT500 and the K3 setup since I do need to use a tuner with it. I will say that the bandwidth requirements of the Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is significantly less than in the past so it works more reliably in “Low Bandwidth" mode. I also keep a Maestro in both Texas and New England. Having two different remote systems with different feature sets does provide some advantages: -Redundancy. In the event one system has a remote issue, I have the other to use as a backup. -Flexibility. I like to ‘listen’ so much of my time is spent listening or participating on nets. The K3 setup works well since I’m not particularly “hunting” for signals where a panadapter would be useful. Simply turn on the K3 and I’m on the last frequency I was tuned or I can enter the frequency of interest. I have the tuner and
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
That is something that I requested some years ago and again this year. To make a box that allows control of the K3(S) using the same port as the KPod plus a connection to Line in/out for audio. Using something like an FPGA, with networking integrated, it appears to be a simple matter to convert the K3(S) into a network device (but WELL above my ability level), which would simplify remote operations without the need for a computer (and capable of using battery power). A matching app (or at least the data exchange) would complete this; tablet ops are pretty nice, BlueTooth to the tablet/phone for managed audio. I've worked around it with a computer, TeamViewer and Skype, but there is no reason it can't be simplified. Using the phone internet, one could put up a remote where needed (EMCOMM or fun). I really think that it would be a very useful addition to the K Line; when they have the time. It would place the K3(S) next to the Flex for simpler remote ops. The app should also consider management of an amp, tuner, rotor or other auxiliary devices; if it gets that far. Rick NHC On 2/28/2019 8:05 AM, Peter Dougherty wrote: I couldn't agree more. I'd buy the hell out of that combination. I'd go further, and would like to see a smaller physical sized remote for easy traveling. Fewer physical controls but much less size and weight. - pjd -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Fred Massey Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:20 AM To: Jorge Diez - CX6VM Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old tech. The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. 73, Fred AE4ED On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:12 AM Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: Hello any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini with remoterig integrated inside it? Maybe for Dayton will have it? -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
Fred: > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey wrote: > > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or > K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old tech. > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 through Maestro remotely. Both approaches have their advantages and disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges. The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external boxes, cabling, and settings. However, once up and running it is very good and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max upload of 1.2 MBps. In most cases, it is 768 Mbps. In addition, it is a ’self-contained’ system where no one else has connectivity and the connection is directly between the remote and the K3. I am not dependent upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections. However, this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and KAT500. The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an Orion Rotor). Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would take uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500 which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely. I’ve done this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because it requires a PC to run it. I hope at some point that Remote Rig would upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any web-capable device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.). Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since September 2014 without problems. I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham station on site. The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and of course it has a remote panadapter capabiity. But it has taken Flex over five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost and requires greater upload bandwidth. SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in 2017 which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at the shack. Flex’s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to establish a secure link, a license fee if you’re upgrading from Version 1 to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR. Flex Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely. The PGXL amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site. However, the “Tuner Genius” that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released, so I’m limited to using my EFHW antenna to the KAT500 and the K3 setup since I do need to use a tuner with it. I will say that the bandwidth requirements of the Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is significantly less than in the past so it works more reliably in “Low Bandwidth" mode. I also keep a Maestro in both Texas and New England. Having two different remote systems with different feature sets does provide some advantages: -Redundancy. In the event one system has a remote issue, I have the other to use as a backup. -Flexibility. I like to ‘listen’ so much of my time is spent listening or participating on nets. The K3 setup works well since I’m not particularly “hunting” for signals where a panadapter would be useful. Simply turn on the K3 and I’m on the last frequency I was tuned or I can enter the frequency of interest. I have the tuner and amplifier as needed, and 500W is usually more than sufficient for my needs.The Flex is more helpful if I’m searching the bands with a panadapter/waterfall, but the PGXL is only helpful on 10-15-20 where I have a yagi and don’t need to a tuner capable of handling the PGXL. Due to bandwidth issues, the Flex system does sometime ‘hiccup’ due to missed packets though this happens a lot less than previously. -Space. I spend 90% of my operating time running remote. At my locations in Texas and New England I have the Maestro and K3/0-Mini sitting on my 30” x 60’ office desk by the 27” Apple Display with West Mountain Radio external speakers that can be used with either system. The Remote Rig equipment, cabling, network ethernet switch, 120 VAC surge protected hub that powers the Remote Rig equipment, network switch, Maestro, Speakers, K3/0-Mini are either sitting on the floor or held in place with cable ties attached around the desk legs, out-of-the-way and out-of-sight. Of course, the ham shack itself in Georgia is a different matter given the amount of equipment installed, but the
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
It would be ideal to also include the band scope of the p3 into the solution. Perhaps the integration of the solution could be encapsulated into a new P3. The functionality of remoterig can be in the new P3, and the P3 scope data could be sent digitally over the internet as well. On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:09 AM Jorge Diez (CX6VM-CW5W) < cx6vm.jo...@gmail.com> wrote: > That’s the idea, all contained in one box, wired internally > > I know is possible, and already done, but never to sell it > > But Fred’s idea is better, just don’t know if it’s possible with actual K3 > or K3s or will need a complete new radio > > 73, > Jorge > > > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 28 feb. 2019, a la(s) 11:38, Harry Yingst via Elecraft < > elecraft@mailman.qth.net> escribió: > > > Back when I was traveling a lot I considered getting the old style > K3/0(the full size one)and building all of the remote hardware into it, so > it would be all self contained in one box. > > > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2019, 9:12:51 AM EST, Jorge Diez - CX6VM < > cx6vm.jo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini with > > remoterig integrated inside it? > > > > Maybe for Dayton will have it? > > > > -- > > 73, > > Jorge > > CX6VM/CW5W > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
That’s the idea, all contained in one box, wired internally I know is possible, and already done, but never to sell it But Fred’s idea is better, just don’t know if it’s possible with actual K3 or K3s or will need a complete new radio 73, Jorge Enviado desde mi iPhone El 28 feb. 2019, a la(s) 11:38, Harry Yingst via Elecraft escribió: > Back when I was traveling a lot I considered getting the old style K3/0(the > full size one)and building all of the remote hardware into it, so it would be > all self contained in one box. > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2019, 9:12:51 AM EST, Jorge Diez - CX6VM > wrote: > > Hello > > any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini with > remoterig integrated inside it? > > Maybe for Dayton will have it? > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
I couldn't agree more. I'd buy the hell out of that combination. I'd go further, and would like to see a smaller physical sized remote for easy traveling. Fewer physical controls but much less size and weight. - pjd -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Fred Massey Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:20 AM To: Jorge Diez - CX6VM Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old tech. The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. 73, Fred AE4ED On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:12 AM Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > Hello > > any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini > with remoterig integrated inside it? > > Maybe for Dayton will have it? > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
Back when I was traveling a lot I considered getting the old style K3/0(the full size one)and building all of the remote hardware into it, so it would be all self contained in one box. On Thursday, February 28, 2019, 9:12:51 AM EST, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: Hello any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini with remoterig integrated inside it? Maybe for Dayton will have it? -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini
A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old tech. The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. 73, Fred AE4ED On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:12 AM Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > Hello > > any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini with > remoterig integrated inside it? > > Maybe for Dayton will have it? > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.57: Faster response to high reflected power
Bill, Download and install the latest K3 beta firmware. The time to power reduction due to high SWR has been reduced substantially. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/18/2017 8:58 PM, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote: I frequently wonder just how much protection a typical SWR protection circuit can provide against an instantaneous discontinuity if it relies totally on a feedback approach. If the response time of the feedback circuit isn’t faster than the risetime of the voltage at the output transistors that results from a sudden failure, then it isn’t apparent to me how this approach can provide reliable protection. A well-designed feedback circuit can provide adequate protection during tune up into a high SWR. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.57: Faster response to high reflected power
I frequently wonder just how much protection a typical SWR protection circuit can provide against an instantaneous discontinuity if it relies totally on a feedback approach. If the response time of the feedback circuit isn’t faster than the risetime of the voltage at the output transistors that results from a sudden failure, then it isn’t apparent to me how this approach can provide reliable protection. A well-designed feedback circuit can provide adequate protection during tune up into a high SWR. It can also provide adequate protection during CW or voice modulation since the bandwidth, and therefore the risetime, of the transmitted signal is limited by the transmitter circuitry. However, the voltage rise due to a sudden failure in an antenna or transmission line connection could conceivably result in a risetime in the 100 nsec range at the drains/collectors of the output transistors. I have never seen any specs on the response time of any SWR protection circuit, but I would be surprised if any of them can even approach the low nsec range. If the failure occurs when the transmitter is at full output, then I would expect the voltage to quickly exceed the max rating on the output transistors. This is clearly a worst-case scenario that probably doesn’t occur very often. However, I wonder how many (if any) manufacturers of ham transmitters have disconnected the antenna when their transmitter was putting out full power as part of their evaluation of their SWR protection circuit. Bill N0CU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-K3S-Beta-Firmware-rev-5-57-Faster-response-to-high-reflected-power-tp7627082p7627122.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) - looking for testers
Joe, it seemed to fix it for the K3S at work. I'll do some more testing Monday. Please send detailed steps you performed and I'll emulate and report back. -Kevin (KK4YEL) No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! > On Oct 28, 2016, at 15:48, Joe Subich, W4TVwrote: > > >> On 10/28/2016 12:03 PM, Jim - N4ST wrote: >> Alas, I downloaded the K3S Beta 5.65B software and installed it, but it did >> NOT fix the muting problem for me when operating split mode with WJST-X. > > In which case, HRD is probably sending some other command that changes > DSP settings during transmit. You will probably need to document what > commands HRD is generating in response to WSJT-X and work with Elecraft > to determine which of those commands results in DSP changes. The 5.56 > beta changes were in response to documentation of commands by Commander > and another software package with the K3. > > I'd start with all commands from about 2 seconds before x:00 until x:05 > since HRD is so unpredictable and commands could be delayed or out of > order. > > *Any* application should know not to change things like split status, > mode (including data sub-mode), sideband, transmit VFO, etc. while > in transmit - whether directly or via an intermediary like Commander > or HRD but, as we've seen, application programmers tend to be sloppy > and not consider how the rig will react. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > >> I was using WSJT-X 1.7 dev 7005. >> I dropped back to the public release WSJT-X 1.6 and that did not work >> either. >> Using HRD 6.3.0.585 >> >> >> 73, >> Jim - N4ST >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne >> Burdick >> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 12:10 >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) - >> looking for testers >> >> Hi all, >> >> We're looking for volunteers to test the latest K3 field-test firmware. >> Please review the recent release notes below. >> >> If you'd like to do testing because you'll be affected by these changes, or >> if you're just interested in helping us qualify the firmware for beta >> release, please contact me directly. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> * * * >> >> K3 MCU 5.56 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-26-2016 >> >> * SCANNING WORKS WITH FREQUENCIES BELOW 1.0 MHz. Previously, scanning would >> stall in this case. >> >> * REDUCED K-POD MACRO FLASH TIME: If text decode is enabled, then the >> length of time that K-Pod macro names are flashed is greatly reduced. This >> reduces the obstruction of text shown on VFO B. >> >> * DT, FR, and FT HOST COMMANDS DISALLOWED IN TX MODE: Previously, these >> commands (data submode, split off, and split on) could be sent to the K3 >> during transmit from software applications. This could sometimes cause side >> effects such as muting of transmit audio in DATA modes. >> >> K3 MCU 5.55 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-20-2016 >> >> * KPOD WORKS IN REMOTE-RIG TERMINAL MODE: The K-Pod will now function >> correctly with a K3 or K3/0-mini being used as a remote-rig terminal. Basic >> functions of the K-Pod can be used, including switch tap / hold and VFO >> A/B/offset control. LEDs and AUX outputs of the terminal K-Pod are not yet >> supported. Note: At present, when switches on the terminal K-Pod are used, >> they will execute macros stored at the remote K3. This will be apparent when >> macro names are flashed on VFO B. >> >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >> delivered to hamsh...@n4st.com >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to li...@subich.com >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to z_kev...@hotmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) - looking for testers
On 10/28/2016 12:03 PM, Jim - N4ST wrote: Alas, I downloaded the K3S Beta 5.65B software and installed it, but it did NOT fix the muting problem for me when operating split mode with WJST-X. In which case, HRD is probably sending some other command that changes DSP settings during transmit. You will probably need to document what commands HRD is generating in response to WSJT-X and work with Elecraft to determine which of those commands results in DSP changes. The 5.56 beta changes were in response to documentation of commands by Commander and another software package with the K3. I'd start with all commands from about 2 seconds before x:00 until x:05 since HRD is so unpredictable and commands could be delayed or out of order. *Any* application should know not to change things like split status, mode (including data sub-mode), sideband, transmit VFO, etc. while in transmit - whether directly or via an intermediary like Commander or HRD but, as we've seen, application programmers tend to be sloppy and not consider how the rig will react. 73, ... Joe, W4TV I was using WSJT-X 1.7 dev 7005. I dropped back to the public release WSJT-X 1.6 and that did not work either. Using HRD 6.3.0.585 73, Jim - N4ST -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 12:10 To: Elecraft ReflectorSubject: [Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) - looking for testers Hi all, We're looking for volunteers to test the latest K3 field-test firmware. Please review the recent release notes below. If you'd like to do testing because you'll be affected by these changes, or if you're just interested in helping us qualify the firmware for beta release, please contact me directly. 73, Wayne N6KR * * * K3 MCU 5.56 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-26-2016 * SCANNING WORKS WITH FREQUENCIES BELOW 1.0 MHz. Previously, scanning would stall in this case. * REDUCED K-POD MACRO FLASH TIME: If text decode is enabled, then the length of time that K-Pod macro names are flashed is greatly reduced. This reduces the obstruction of text shown on VFO B. * DT, FR, and FT HOST COMMANDS DISALLOWED IN TX MODE: Previously, these commands (data submode, split off, and split on) could be sent to the K3 during transmit from software applications. This could sometimes cause side effects such as muting of transmit audio in DATA modes. K3 MCU 5.55 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-20-2016 * KPOD WORKS IN REMOTE-RIG TERMINAL MODE: The K-Pod will now function correctly with a K3 or K3/0-mini being used as a remote-rig terminal. Basic functions of the K-Pod can be used, including switch tap / hold and VFO A/B/offset control. LEDs and AUX outputs of the terminal K-Pod are not yet supported. Note: At present, when switches on the terminal K-Pod are used, they will execute macros stored at the remote K3. This will be apparent when macro names are flashed on VFO B. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hamsh...@n4st.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) - looking for testers
Alas, I downloaded the K3S Beta 5.65B software and installed it, but it did NOT fix the muting problem for me when operating split mode with WJST-X. I was using WSJT-X 1.7 dev 7005. I dropped back to the public release WSJT-X 1.6 and that did not work either. Using HRD 6.3.0.585 73, Jim - N4ST -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 12:10 To: Elecraft ReflectorSubject: [Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) - looking for testers Hi all, We're looking for volunteers to test the latest K3 field-test firmware. Please review the recent release notes below. If you'd like to do testing because you'll be affected by these changes, or if you're just interested in helping us qualify the firmware for beta release, please contact me directly. 73, Wayne N6KR * * * K3 MCU 5.56 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-26-2016 * SCANNING WORKS WITH FREQUENCIES BELOW 1.0 MHz. Previously, scanning would stall in this case. * REDUCED K-POD MACRO FLASH TIME: If text decode is enabled, then the length of time that K-Pod macro names are flashed is greatly reduced. This reduces the obstruction of text shown on VFO B. * DT, FR, and FT HOST COMMANDS DISALLOWED IN TX MODE: Previously, these commands (data submode, split off, and split on) could be sent to the K3 during transmit from software applications. This could sometimes cause side effects such as muting of transmit audio in DATA modes. K3 MCU 5.55 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-20-2016 * KPOD WORKS IN REMOTE-RIG TERMINAL MODE: The K-Pod will now function correctly with a K3 or K3/0-mini being used as a remote-rig terminal. Basic functions of the K-Pod can be used, including switch tap / hold and VFO A/B/offset control. LEDs and AUX outputs of the terminal K-Pod are not yet supported. Note: At present, when switches on the terminal K-Pod are used, they will execute macros stored at the remote K3. This will be apparent when macro names are flashed on VFO B. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hamsh...@n4st.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Utility with support for K-Pod Macros on web site
Workin' on it. We have to do the Windows version first and then translate it to Mac and Linux.. That takes several weeks more. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 7/5/2016 3:54 PM, Elliott Lawrence wrote: No support for Mac yet?? Elliott WA6TLA On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraftwrote: Version 1.16.6.25 of the K3 Utility, which adds additional support for macros used by the K-Pod, is now up on the web page at: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm#k3util 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wa6...@icloud.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Utility with support for K-Pod Macros on web site
No support for Mac yet?? Elliott WA6TLA On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraftwrote: > Version 1.16.6.25 of the K3 Utility, which adds additional support for macros > used by the K-Pod, is now up on the web page at: > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm#k3util > > 73, > > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6...@icloud.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules
As for the K3, updates will continue to be for both, I think, and it's worth checking to make sure the K3 doesn't suffer because of the specific K3S additions or changes...even if the update does not add anything for the K3. - Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-K3S-Beta-Firmware-rev-5-26-Support-for-K3S-and-upgraded-modules-tp7603339p7603353.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules
I am not 100% sure of this, but I believe firmware updates are loaded to the Elecraft web page and it is up to us to check for them. I think Wayne's announcement for 5.26 is a 'special' case. I'm sure someone will correct me if this is incorrect. 73, Tom - W4BQF -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hisashi T Fujinaka Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:16 AM To: Phil Wheeler Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules Sorry to be a pest, but can someone look at the email headers of Wayne's announcement and see if there's something odd? For some reason I never get his firmware announcements and I don't even see anhything likely at the mail server. Can someone send me the headers? Thanks. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules
Exactly :-) That's why I asked about K3 impacts of this beta software. I only beta test functions which I can test (for radios) within those I use when operating--and especially those for which i have a need. The recent Fixed-Tune mode add to the PX3 comes to mind. Phil W7OX On 5/20/15 9:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: Then you should not beta test. Hopefully someone else will, and they'll catch any bugs that might affect you in the future. 73 -- Lynn On 5/20/2015 8:04 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: I didn't purchase my Elecraft products to contribute to the greater good. Nor do I plan to spend time loading software from which I will see a change only if there was a problem in that particular beta version (which has happened). __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules
The present firmware release has very little impact on the K3, but it is still important to test each release to make sure we didn't break anything. We've had some positive reports in that regard, so no need for everyone to load it. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 20, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Phil Wheeler w...@socal.rr.com wrote: That's my interpretation, Ross. Just asking Wayne for confirmation. Hmmm .. but I wonder if anyone has been able to add such items to their K3 as yet? They were announced a week ago, and my impression is that they may be in short supply for K3 usage for a while. Phil W7OX On 5/20/15 10:29 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: The new firmware would be required for a K3 IF you add any of the newly upgraded K3S pieces to your K3, such as the new KIO3, KXV3B or KAT3A. 73, Ross N4RP On 5/20/2015 10:32 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: Wayne, It's unclear what impact, if any, this firmware will have on the K3. All the specifics listed below appear to be K3S related. I usually load beta versions *only* if the test/change relates to some feature I really want. If no changes for K3, no reason for me to load it. Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved performance, functionality, etc.? 73, Phil W7OX On 5/19/15 5:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi all, K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page. This is the first combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be loaded into either transceiver using K3 Utility. Some firmware features and changes apply only to the K3S, or to the various updated internal modules, as described in the release notes below. (Further details will be provided in the K3S owner's manual and other documents as they are made available.) We appreciate any firmware testing you might do on a K3, with or without any upgraded modules. 73, Wayne N6KR * * * K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26 * USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed (standard with the K3S), the CONFIG:RS232 menu entry will have a USB setting. If this setting is used, then a single USB cable can be used between the K3S and a computer to provide remote control, digitized line-level audio in/out, and PTT/KEY (via equivalents to the RTS and DTR signals). All of these signals are usually recognized by computer applications that also support RS232. This eliminates the need for a sound card and associated analog line in/out cables, as well as any external converter units. Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. 18-20, for details. * NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed, then the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S at its RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two different special cables are available for this purpose, depending on whether a computer will be connected via USB or RS232 to the K3S and P3. Refer to the K3S owner's manual for details (pg. 18 and 19). * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used for line-out. * PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY (KXV3B): This menu entry is only applicable if a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with the K3S). It also only applies if the current band is 12, 10, or 6 meters. If PREAMP2 is set to ON, then the PRE switch rotates through settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the applicable band. PRE 2 turns on the low-noise preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 dB, with a typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). When PRE 2 is selected, the PRE icon will flash slowly. Note: Do not use an external preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or PR6-10) when using the built-in low-noise preamp (PRE 2). This would result in excessive gain. . * MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN MENU ENTRY (K3S RF BOARD): On a K3S, the MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the per-band attenuation level for the ATTN switch (5/10/15 dB). A shortcut method of accessing this menu entry is to hold the ATTN switch for about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter is fixed at 10 dB.) * LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The upgraded internal ATU option, the KAT3A, includes a very low-loss bypass path via an additional relay. The bypass relay is engaged when the ATU switch is used to turn the ATU icon OFF. This setting can be used with closely matched antennas. (Bypass mode on the earlier model KAT3 ATU uses a minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather than a relay, result in a small dissipation loss that varies with frequency.) * 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an upgrade from the KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the KBPF3A has a cutoff at 100 kHz
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules
Am 20.05.2015 um 02:29 schrieb Wayne Burdick: * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used for line-out. I can already see the Help! I don't get any audio from my USB connection! emails on the reflector. ;-) Wayne: If you're ever going to redesign the I/O module again (KIO3C anyone? ;-)) please make that a menu selection and also store different settings, i.e. line/mic gain for USB audio and line/mic gain for the 3,5 mm connection. That's one of the really neat things I like on a friend's TS-590. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules
The K3S FAQ indicates that the KXV3B, KAT3A KBPF3A are available now. I can't confirm or deny the accuracy of that. But, I believe you'd need the new beta firmware for any of those. 73, Ross N4RP On 5/20/2015 2:00 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: That's my interpretation, Ross. Just asking Wayne for confirmation. Hmmm .. but I wonder if anyone has been able to add such items to their K3 as yet? They were announced a week ago, and my impression is that they may be in short supply for K3 usage for a while. Phil W7OX On 5/20/15 10:29 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: The new firmware would be required for a K3 IF you add any of the newly upgraded K3S pieces to your K3, such as the new KIO3, KXV3B or KAT3A. 73, Ross N4RP On 5/20/2015 10:32 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: Wayne, It's unclear what impact, if any, this firmware will have on the K3. All the specifics listed below appear to be K3S related. I usually load beta versions *only* if the test/change relates to some feature I really want. If no changes for K3, no reason for me to load it. Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved performance, functionality, etc.? 73, Phil W7OX On 5/19/15 5:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi all, K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page. This is the first combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be loaded into either transceiver using K3 Utility. Some firmware features and changes apply only to the K3S, or to the various updated internal modules, as described in the release notes below. (Further details will be provided in the K3S owner's manual and other documents as they are made available.) We appreciate any firmware testing you might do on a K3, with or without any upgraded modules. 73, Wayne N6KR * * * K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26 * USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed (standard with the K3S), the CONFIG:RS232 menu entry will have a USB setting. If this setting is used, then a single USB cable can be used between the K3S and a computer to provide remote control, digitized line-level audio in/out, and PTT/KEY (via equivalents to the RTS and DTR signals). All of these signals are usually recognized by computer applications that also support RS232. This eliminates the need for a sound card and associated analog line in/out cables, as well as any external converter units. Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. 18-20, for details. * NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed, then the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S at its RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two different special cables are available for this purpose, depending on whether a computer will be connected via USB or RS232 to the K3S and P3. Refer to the K3S owner's manual for details (pg. 18 and 19). * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used for line-out. * PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY (KXV3B): This menu entry is only applicable if a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with the K3S). It also only applies if the current band is 12, 10, or 6 meters. If PREAMP2 is set to ON, then the PRE switch rotates through settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the applicable band. PRE 2 turns on the low-noise preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 dB, with a typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). When PRE 2 is selected, the PRE icon will flash slowly. Note: Do not use an external preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or PR6-10) when using the built-in low-noise preamp (PRE 2). This would result in excessive gain. . * MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN MENU ENTRY (K3S RF BOARD): On a K3S, the MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the per-band attenuation level for the ATTN switch (5/10/15 dB). A shortcut method of accessing this menu entry is to hold the ATTN switch for about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter is fixed at 10 dB.) * LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The upgraded internal ATU option, the KAT3A, includes a very low-loss bypass path via an additional relay. The bypass relay is engaged when the ATU switch is used to turn the ATU icon OFF. This setting can be used with closely matched antennas. (Bypass mode on the earlier model KAT3 ATU uses a minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather than a relay, result in a small dissipation loss that varies with frequency.) * 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an upgrade from the KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the KBPF3A has a cutoff at 100 kHz rather than 500 kHz. This improves typical sensitivity at 137 kHz (2200 meters) to about -120 dBm, and at 472 kHz (600 meters), about -130 dBm. * UPDATED PA (PREAMP) REMOTE-CONTROL
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules
Hi Milverton, Well I'm old and my grandmother who was always good at repeating those witticisms used to say, making mountains out of mole hills. Her way of saying not important. 73, Bob K2TKex KN2TKR (1956 K2TKR On 5/20/2015 1:05 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page. Wayne clearly states BETA { I load those only if they provide some new benefit } Then WHY the Fuss? If you had a ICOM, and you send it in for repair, upon return, the Firmware was updated.Would you query the content of the update? And! What are the benefits to you? What is the saying about an Ant hill and a Mountain? 73 Milverton / W9MMS. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules
Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: What is the saying about an Ant hill and a Mountain? 73 Milverton / Don't you mean Mole Hill? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules
Professional software QC engineers refer to this as regression testing, to ensure that the software involved continues to operate as it did in the previous release as tested/released on the available hardware at that time. There are no documented changes for the K3, therefore you should not see any difference in the behavior of a K3 when testing this beta firmware on it. If you do not wish to test a beta deployment of an upcoming firmware release, then don't install and test it. If you'd like to help Elecraft verify that the changes made to the firmware behave as expected, then I'm sure they'd appreciate it if you'd install it and try it out. I just wish Yahoo! would do the same thing for its mail software! (I continually see problems in the formatting of my posts the list from my Yahoo! web account; please bear with me/it) 73 de N1HO From: Phil Wheeler w...@socal.rr.com Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved performance, functionality, etc.? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer now requires multiple boots
Mack: I would suggest that before you contact Support you verify that all of the TMP interconnect cables are snugly and completely in place. 73, Ken K3IU On 3/20/2015 9:30 AM, W4CCS wrote: Mack: I have not seen this problem.. Yes, I would contact tech support.. W4CCS -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of mackmc Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 7:56 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer now requires multiple boots I installed the new synthesizer and for the past couple of days my K3 requires me to cycle the power button about a dozen times to get signals. The K3 boots normally and there isn't an error displayed but there are no signals present on the radio. I'm running the latest firmware: MCU 5.14 / DSP 2.83 / FPF 1.19, 2/26/2015. Is anyone else seeing this behavior or is it time for me to call Elecraft? Mack W4AX - 73, Mack W4AX -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-Synthesizer-now-requires-multipl e-boots-tp7600474.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4...@w4ccs.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kenk...@cox.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer now requires multiple boots
Mack: I have not seen this problem.. Yes, I would contact tech support.. W4CCS -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of mackmc Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 7:56 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer now requires multiple boots I installed the new synthesizer and for the past couple of days my K3 requires me to cycle the power button about a dozen times to get signals. The K3 boots normally and there isn't an error displayed but there are no signals present on the radio. I'm running the latest firmware: MCU 5.14 / DSP 2.83 / FPF 1.19, 2/26/2015. Is anyone else seeing this behavior or is it time for me to call Elecraft? Mack W4AX - 73, Mack W4AX -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-Synthesizer-now-requires-multipl e-boots-tp7600474.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4...@w4ccs.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn
Dear OMs, I will be upgrading my K3s but it seems that people often do not pay the full value of a used radio loaded with options.So adding options and or upgrades is hardly going to enhance the radio value by more than the cost of the option or upgrade. It is probably the case that a basic 100 Watt K3 is the easiest K3 for which to find a purchaser and thus maybe the radio which recoups the greatest percentage of the purchase price.Not having the SYN board would not significantly affect my decision to purchase.It could always be added later. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chester Alderman Sent: 02 March 2015 14:40 To: 'Charlie T, K3ICH'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn H...I don't quite agree with Guy's assessment of the upgrades. IMO, the upgrade synthesizer is supposed to be an improvement if 1) you need better full CW QSK, and 2) if you need to copy very weak close-in CW signals in the presence of S9+ signals and/or if you do a lot of contesting. The basic K3 handles both of these criteria pretty well, comparatively speaking (look at the Sherwood data), and the quoted '$600' difference is strictly a user's option. I just sold my five year old K3 with the understanding that I was selling the buyer a darned good radio (that did not have the new upgrades) and I don't think the buyer was short-changed at all. Just my opinion of course! 73, Tom - W4BQF -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 8:31 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn Good point Guy. That's why a Round Emblem Collins S-Line is worth much more than the Winged Emblem version, even so quite a few say a particular early * receiver is actually better than their newer ones. Does it have the latest mods? is a very pertinent question when offering a K3 for sale. Every time the Big-Three comes out with a new radio, the street value of old one drops 10% to 30%. I agree with Elecraft's philosophy. I have an early K3 that is identical in performance with S/N 9XXX. 73, Charlie k3ICH * Winged 75S-3 vs. a Round 75S-3B - Original Message - From: Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com To: drewko drew...@verizon.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 3:31 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn One thing that people need to remember when making a purchase decision on K3 upgrades, is that in the future, wanting to sell a K3, one of the first questions will be whether the rig has the newer synthesizer(s). For me, without, that would be a $300 derating for single RX and a $600 derating for the old boards. Cost plus inconvenience to bring it up to spec. It's like selling a K3 that has only a few of the mods, and particularly not having the new audio board. Someone buys it and immediately sends it back to the factory to be brought up to date, if they buy it. And then of course there are the unintended positive side benefits of an upgrade, like the much clearer audio when the AGC significant digit problem was fixed. Don't know what they are this time around, but I'm sure there are some. Beyond that, there is the profit angle, where a small percentage of total rig value is invested to bring it up to date, avoiding a new rig purchase to obtain same. Your purchase of upgrade materials rewards that business strategy and helps insure they keep doing business that way. If that were not enough, it maintains the reputation of a rig as not becoming obsolete, vastly improving its resale value. Seven year old radio, as modified, still at the top of the heap. Just how good is that. And still more, that means that any new Elecraft rig will build on top of proven CURRENT firmware and hardware knowledge, there because there were customer purchases to support it. The KX3 is a very clear example of that. Yeah it's certainly YOUR pocketbook and not mine, but hanging back is short term strategy and what I'm talking about is long term strategy. Don't lose sight of the long term. Support your radio manufacturer. 73, Guy K2AV On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:17 AM, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote: Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after recordings. Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of clicks and pops without distraction. 73, Drew AF2Z On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote: Don, all, Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of a little
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn
I installed the new K3 synthesizers in my rig today. Install went very easy even without a cat (or in my case a dog) on my lap. I am pretty much a SSB and Digi operator. I did tune around a bit looking for a couple of SSB signals that were right on top of each other to see if I could hear any difference from before. My impression is that my K3 is quieter over all (almost urban environment with a lot of RFI), and I felt that I could more easily copy one signal over another closely spaced signal. I didn't seem to hear that rumble from another station even though it was only a few KCs away. Does this make sense? I will give the receivers a good work out this weekend but my first impression is very favorable. -- John Fritze Jr K2QY k...@arrl.net ACACES president 2014 Albany County RACES Radio Officer ARES ENY DEC Northern District Hudson Div. Asst. Director Twitter: @k2qy 401 261 4996 (cell) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn
H...I don't quite agree with Guy's assessment of the upgrades. IMO, the upgrade synthesizer is supposed to be an improvement if 1) you need better full CW QSK, and 2) if you need to copy very weak close-in CW signals in the presence of S9+ signals and/or if you do a lot of contesting. The basic K3 handles both of these criteria pretty well, comparatively speaking (look at the Sherwood data), and the quoted '$600' difference is strictly a user's option. I just sold my five year old K3 with the understanding that I was selling the buyer a darned good radio (that did not have the new upgrades) and I don't think the buyer was short-changed at all. Just my opinion of course! 73, Tom - W4BQF -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 8:31 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn Good point Guy. That's why a Round Emblem Collins S-Line is worth much more than the Winged Emblem version, even so quite a few say a particular early * receiver is actually better than their newer ones. Does it have the latest mods? is a very pertinent question when offering a K3 for sale. Every time the Big-Three comes out with a new radio, the street value of old one drops 10% to 30%. I agree with Elecraft's philosophy. I have an early K3 that is identical in performance with S/N 9XXX. 73, Charlie k3ICH * Winged 75S-3 vs. a Round 75S-3B - Original Message - From: Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com To: drewko drew...@verizon.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 3:31 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn One thing that people need to remember when making a purchase decision on K3 upgrades, is that in the future, wanting to sell a K3, one of the first questions will be whether the rig has the newer synthesizer(s). For me, without, that would be a $300 derating for single RX and a $600 derating for the old boards. Cost plus inconvenience to bring it up to spec. It's like selling a K3 that has only a few of the mods, and particularly not having the new audio board. Someone buys it and immediately sends it back to the factory to be brought up to date, if they buy it. And then of course there are the unintended positive side benefits of an upgrade, like the much clearer audio when the AGC significant digit problem was fixed. Don't know what they are this time around, but I'm sure there are some. Beyond that, there is the profit angle, where a small percentage of total rig value is invested to bring it up to date, avoiding a new rig purchase to obtain same. Your purchase of upgrade materials rewards that business strategy and helps insure they keep doing business that way. If that were not enough, it maintains the reputation of a rig as not becoming obsolete, vastly improving its resale value. Seven year old radio, as modified, still at the top of the heap. Just how good is that. And still more, that means that any new Elecraft rig will build on top of proven CURRENT firmware and hardware knowledge, there because there were customer purchases to support it. The KX3 is a very clear example of that. Yeah it's certainly YOUR pocketbook and not mine, but hanging back is short term strategy and what I'm talking about is long term strategy. Don't lose sight of the long term. Support your radio manufacturer. 73, Guy K2AV On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:17 AM, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote: Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after recordings. Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of clicks and pops without distraction. 73, Drew AF2Z On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote: Don, all, Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW circa 30-40 WPM? Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the decision to buy. Thanks 73, John K1JD Santa Fe, NM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn
Good point Guy. That's why a Round Emblem Collins S-Line is worth much more than the Winged Emblem version, even so quite a few say a particular early * receiver is actually better than their newer ones. Does it have the latest mods? is a very pertinent question when offering a K3 for sale. Every time the Big-Three comes out with a new radio, the street value of old one drops 10% to 30%. I agree with Elecraft's philosophy. I have an early K3 that is identical in performance with S/N 9XXX. 73, Charlie k3ICH * Winged 75S-3 vs. a Round 75S-3B - Original Message - From: Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com To: drewko drew...@verizon.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 3:31 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn One thing that people need to remember when making a purchase decision on K3 upgrades, is that in the future, wanting to sell a K3, one of the first questions will be whether the rig has the newer synthesizer(s). For me, without, that would be a $300 derating for single RX and a $600 derating for the old boards. Cost plus inconvenience to bring it up to spec. It's like selling a K3 that has only a few of the mods, and particularly not having the new audio board. Someone buys it and immediately sends it back to the factory to be brought up to date, if they buy it. And then of course there are the unintended positive side benefits of an upgrade, like the much clearer audio when the AGC significant digit problem was fixed. Don't know what they are this time around, but I'm sure there are some. Beyond that, there is the profit angle, where a small percentage of total rig value is invested to bring it up to date, avoiding a new rig purchase to obtain same. Your purchase of upgrade materials rewards that business strategy and helps insure they keep doing business that way. If that were not enough, it maintains the reputation of a rig as not becoming obsolete, vastly improving its resale value. Seven year old radio, as modified, still at the top of the heap. Just how good is that. And still more, that means that any new Elecraft rig will build on top of proven CURRENT firmware and hardware knowledge, there because there were customer purchases to support it. The KX3 is a very clear example of that. Yeah it's certainly YOUR pocketbook and not mine, but hanging back is short term strategy and what I'm talking about is long term strategy. Don't lose sight of the long term. Support your radio manufacturer. 73, Guy K2AV On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:17 AM, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote: Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after recordings. Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of clicks and pops without distraction. 73, Drew AF2Z On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote: Don, all, Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW circa 30-40 WPM? Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the decision to buy. Thanks 73, John K1JD Santa Fe, NM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pin...@erols.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn
One thing that people need to remember when making a purchase decision on K3 upgrades, is that in the future, wanting to sell a K3, one of the first questions will be whether the rig has the newer synthesizer(s). For me, without, that would be a $300 derating for single RX and a $600 derating for the old boards. Cost plus inconvenience to bring it up to spec. It's like selling a K3 that has only a few of the mods, and particularly not having the new audio board. Someone buys it and immediately sends it back to the factory to be brought up to date, if they buy it. And then of course there are the unintended positive side benefits of an upgrade, like the much clearer audio when the AGC significant digit problem was fixed. Don't know what they are this time around, but I'm sure there are some. Beyond that, there is the profit angle, where a small percentage of total rig value is invested to bring it up to date, avoiding a new rig purchase to obtain same. Your purchase of upgrade materials rewards that business strategy and helps insure they keep doing business that way. If that were not enough, it maintains the reputation of a rig as not becoming obsolete, vastly improving its resale value. Seven year old radio, as modified, still at the top of the heap. Just how good is that. And still more, that means that any new Elecraft rig will build on top of proven CURRENT firmware and hardware knowledge, there because there were customer purchases to support it. The KX3 is a very clear example of that. Yeah it's certainly YOUR pocketbook and not mine, but hanging back is short term strategy and what I'm talking about is long term strategy. Don't lose sight of the long term. Support your radio manufacturer. 73, Guy K2AV On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:17 AM, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote: Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after recordings. Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of clicks and pops without distraction. 73, Drew AF2Z On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote: Don, all, Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW circa 30-40 WPM? Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the decision to buy. Thanks 73, John K1JD Santa Fe, NM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn
Please explain the advantage of spending all that money now instead of potentially spending it several years from now when you might ... might ... want to sell the rig. Buying the new synths now because you want the better performance makes perfect sense ... buying them now purely to avoid buying them later makes no sense to me at all. Dave AB7E On 3/2/2015 1:31 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: One thing that people need to remember when making a purchase decision on K3 upgrades, is that in the future, wanting to sell a K3, one of the first questions will be whether the rig has the newer synthesizer(s). For me, without, that would be a $300 derating for single RX and a $600 derating for the old boards. Cost plus inconvenience to bring it up to spec. It's like selling a K3 that has only a few of the mods, and particularly not having the new audio board. Someone buys it and immediately sends it back to the factory to be brought up to date, if they buy it. And then of course there are the unintended positive side benefits of an upgrade, like the much clearer audio when the AGC significant digit problem was fixed. Don't know what they are this time around, but I'm sure there are some. Beyond that, there is the profit angle, where a small percentage of total rig value is invested to bring it up to date, avoiding a new rig purchase to obtain same. Your purchase of upgrade materials rewards that business strategy and helps insure they keep doing business that way. If that were not enough, it maintains the reputation of a rig as not becoming obsolete, vastly improving its resale value. Seven year old radio, as modified, still at the top of the heap. Just how good is that. And still more, that means that any new Elecraft rig will build on top of proven CURRENT firmware and hardware knowledge, there because there were customer purchases to support it. The KX3 is a very clear example of that. Yeah it's certainly YOUR pocketbook and not mine, but hanging back is short term strategy and what I'm talking about is long term strategy. Don't lose sight of the long term. Support your radio manufacturer. 73, Guy K2AV On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:17 AM, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote: Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after recordings. Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of clicks and pops without distraction. 73, Drew AF2Z On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote: Don, all, Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW circa 30-40 WPM? Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the decision to buy. Thanks 73, John K1JD Santa Fe, NM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to xda...@cis-broadband.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.
Check all the coaxial cables that plug into the boards and front panel. Make sure they go the right places. I would also check the way you have decided to handle the coax going to the coax chassis connector SO239. There are a couple of ways to do this depending on your options. Mike W0MU On 3/1/2015 3:45 PM, Joe Moffatt wrote: Ok, checked the RX ANT switch. It was not on. I did connect an antenna to the RX ANT jack and switched to it, but no difference. Not sure what is wrong where. In any case, there is very little sensitivity in the K3 at this point. Don't know what to check. I have gone back through the best I can... seems everything was done correctly. Very careful about ESD. Joe From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n...@elecraft.com] Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:38 PM To: Joe Moffatt Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity. Joe, Do you have a KXV3 module installed? You may be switched to the RX antenna. Wayne N6KR On Mar 1, 2015, at 7:48 AM, joemoffatt j...@selectconnect.netmailto:j...@selectconnect.net%3e wrote: Everything in the manual checked out ok. I am at the stage before putting in the 100 watt PA. Just checking things out. I have the IF Out board, but that's about it. No ATU. Setup filters, etc. But, I have only about S1 on the S Meter, and can only weakly hear the strongest of signals. Even WWV is poor. This is on a known good antenna/coax. Anyhow, just wondering what to check. I haven't set the REF OSC yet because I can't get a strong enough signal to do it. Ideas? I thought I was sailing along smoothly. Thanks, joe -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-build-LOW-LOW-sensitivity-tp7599593.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.commailto:n...@elecraft.com Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=selectconnect.net To: j...@selectconnect.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=750607761domain=selectconnect.net From: n...@elecraft.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: Medium Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=750607761aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net this sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=750607761aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net this sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=750607761aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net elecraft.com / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=750607761aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net elecraft.com enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@w0mu.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.
Ok, checked the RX ANT switch. It was not on. I did connect an antenna to the RX ANT jack and switched to it, but no difference. Not sure what is wrong where. In any case, there is very little sensitivity in the K3 at this point. Don't know what to check. I have gone back through the best I can... seems everything was done correctly. Very careful about ESD. Joe From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n...@elecraft.com] Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:38 PM To: Joe Moffatt Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity. Joe, Do you have a KXV3 module installed? You may be switched to the RX antenna. Wayne N6KR On Mar 1, 2015, at 7:48 AM, joemoffatt j...@selectconnect.netmailto:j...@selectconnect.net%3e wrote: Everything in the manual checked out ok. I am at the stage before putting in the 100 watt PA. Just checking things out. I have the IF Out board, but that's about it. No ATU. Setup filters, etc. But, I have only about S1 on the S Meter, and can only weakly hear the strongest of signals. Even WWV is poor. This is on a known good antenna/coax. Anyhow, just wondering what to check. I haven't set the REF OSC yet because I can't get a strong enough signal to do it. Ideas? I thought I was sailing along smoothly. Thanks, joe -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-build-LOW-LOW-sensitivity-tp7599593.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.commailto:n...@elecraft.com Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=selectconnect.net To: j...@selectconnect.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=750607761domain=selectconnect.net From: n...@elecraft.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: Medium Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=750607761aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net this sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=750607761aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net this sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=750607761aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net elecraft.com / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=750607761aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net elecraft.com enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.
I had something similar, but I was most likely using the wrong antenna. I heard nothing (the bands were probably dead, and I couldn't even hear the local AM stations. I checked the weird coax cables, loaded the latest beta firmware, and then everything started to work. I may have even worked 3G0ZC (though he first miscopied my call as K7EMS instead of K7EMI so I'm not all that certain). On Sun, 1 Mar 2015, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: Check all the coaxial cables that plug into the boards and front panel. Make sure they go the right places. I would also check the way you have decided to handle the coax going to the coax chassis connector SO239. There are a couple of ways to do this depending on your options. Mike W0MU On 3/1/2015 3:45 PM, Joe Moffatt wrote: Ok, checked the RX ANT switch. It was not on. I did connect an antenna to the RX ANT jack and switched to it, but no difference. Not sure what is wrong where. In any case, there is very little sensitivity in the K3 at this point. Don't know what to check. I have gone back through the best I can... seems everything was done correctly. Very careful about ESD. Joe From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n...@elecraft.com] Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:38 PM To: Joe Moffatt Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity. Joe, Do you have a KXV3 module installed? You may be switched to the RX antenna. Wayne N6KR On Mar 1, 2015, at 7:48 AM, joemoffatt j...@selectconnect.netmailto:j...@selectconnect.net%3e wrote: Everything in the manual checked out ok. I am at the stage before putting in the 100 watt PA. Just checking things out. I have the IF Out board, but that's about it. No ATU. Setup filters, etc. But, I have only about S1 on the S Meter, and can only weakly hear the strongest of signals. Even WWV is poor. This is on a known good antenna/coax. Anyhow, just wondering what to check. I haven't set the REF OSC yet because I can't get a strong enough signal to do it. Ideas? I thought I was sailing along smoothly. Thanks, joe -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-build-LOW-LOW-sensitivity-tp7599593.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.commailto:n...@elecraft.com Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=selectconnect.net To: j...@selectconnect.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=750607761domain=selectconnect.net From: n...@elecraft.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: Medium Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=750607761aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net this sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=750607761aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net this sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=750607761aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net elecraft.com / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=750607761aID=3098371613domain=selectconnect.net elecraft.com enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@w0mu.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ht...@twofifty.com -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - ht...@twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.
Are you certain you have the correct antenna selected? Been there, done that. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 3/1/2015 7:48 AM, joemoffatt wrote: Everything in the manual checked out ok. I am at the stage before putting in the 100 watt PA. Just checking things out. I have the IF Out board, but that's about it. No ATU. Setup filters, etc. But, I have only about S1 on the S Meter, and can only weakly hear the strongest of signals. Even WWV is poor. This is on a known good antenna/coax. Anyhow, just wondering what to check. I haven't set the REF OSC yet because I can't get a strong enough signal to do it. Ideas? I thought I was sailing along smoothly. Thanks, joe __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Joe, Do you have a KXV3 module installed? You may be switched to the RX antenna. Wayne N6KR On Mar 1, 2015, at 7:48 AM, joemoffatt j...@selectconnect.net wrote: Everything in the manual checked out ok. I am at the stage before putting in the 100 watt PA. Just checking things out. I have the IF Out board, but that's about it. No ATU. Setup filters, etc. But, I have only about S1 on the S Meter, and can only weakly hear the strongest of signals. Even WWV is poor. This is on a known good antenna/coax. Anyhow, just wondering what to check. I haven't set the REF OSC yet because I can't get a strong enough signal to do it. Ideas? I thought I was sailing along smoothly. Thanks, joe -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-build-LOW-LOW-sensitivity-tp7599593.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn
Hi John, I can't do that just yet but I will when I get my new K3. Improved full QSK and better close in signal rejection during contest are also my primary interest, so it will be interesting to finally get the new rig and test for those issues. I got my original K3 in 2010 and decided since I sure would like to have the new synthesizers and since I had never installed any of the Elecraft upgrades/updates, I would sell the old one and buy a new one. The actual cost output for a new K3, with everything updated, was very reasonable. Even though my credit card was charged the day after I placed my order, I did not hear anything from Elecraft, so I sent them an email yesterday for status update. It turned out that there is a 'delay' due to some small part out of stock, but my new K4 should be shipped next week. [I say K4 because any other manufacturer would have come out with a 'new' radio and we are fortunate to get this 'serious' upgrade as such!] So after I can do some test, I will make an audio recording and send it to you and Vidi. 73, Tom - W4BQF -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Johnk1jd Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 9:20 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn Don, all, Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW circa 30-40 WPM? Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the decision to buy. Thanks 73, John K1JD Santa Fe, NM Sent from my iPad __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to alderm...@windstream.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn
Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after recordings. Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of clicks and pops without distraction. 73, Drew AF2Z On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote: Don, all, Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW circa 30-40 WPM? Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the decision to buy. Thanks 73, John K1JD Santa Fe, NM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I used to think that if I could not hear a difference, there may not be a difference. When band conditions are good there may not be any difference to be heard. What happens when band conditions are not so good? Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep my K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or are notable to ones ears. 73, Doug -- K0DXV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bs...@k5dkz.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn
Doug - From all the on topic traffic here during the last week, it would appear that quite a few folks have installed the synth boards. I put one in my K3 and a pair in the K3 of a friend. I knew I wanted to do it the moment I heard about it. My impression is that the band seems a bit quieter, but sometimes my QTH is very quiet to start with. We have not experienced K1N type pileups since I installed mine, but I don't expect to be aware of the benefit, since I cannot switch back to the old board... but I do expect to from it most of the time I am on the air, and anytime the band is really crowded. The friend in whose K3 I installed a pair of them will benefit every time he uses his K3. He is a QRQ CW operator, who is really excited to get RIT function back while operating QRQ. Dave - K9FN On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep my K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or are notable to ones ears. 73, Doug -- K0DXV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dpbu...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Yes and Yes. Phil - Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 09:53, Doug Person via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep my K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or are notable to ones ears. 73, Doug -- K0DXV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@socal.rr.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn
Doug, Look at the numbers for 2 dB spacing - they are significantly improved. What that means is you can operate more closely to another signal than you could before. That is an important consideration when the bands are crowded, such as during contests, FD operation, or DX pileups. When the signals are spaced out more on the bands, the difference will not be as obvious. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/27/2015 12:53 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep my K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or are notable to ones ears. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Please correct the 2 Db below to 2 kHz. 73, Don W3FPR Doug, Look at the numbers for 2 dB spacing - they are significantly improved. What that means is you can operate more closely to another signal than you could before. That is an important consideration when the bands are crowded, such as during contests, FD operation, or DX pileups. When the signals are spaced out more on the bands, the difference will not be as obvious. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/27/2015 12:53 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep my K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or are notable to ones ears. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I have two in thanks to the sub Rx. I think the only real way to answer that would be to have two identical K3's with an AB switch to listen in different conditions. I can't imagine how well most of us would appreciate that same difference if it was expressed as numerical values from lab tests. I can say I feel I am hearing better under difficult conditions after putting them in. For me, when I now hear a station I can barely copy, I'm guessing this was helped by the new synths. FWIW... 73, Gary KA1J Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep my K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or are notable to ones ears. 73, Doug -- K0DXV --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] NEW K3
Bob, You apparently have selected a transmit filter for CW that is too narrow. The transmit filter for CW must be the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/22/2015 10:29 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote: Will I guess I'm stupid.. I just got my new k3..I'm trying to send cw and when I do I get a err txf message.. What am I doing wrong? 73s Bob W5RG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] NEW K3
THANKS GOT IT 73s Bob W5RG From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com To: Bob Gibson w...@yahoo.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] NEW K3 Bob, You apparently have selected a transmit filter for CW that is too narrow. The transmit filter for CW must be the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/22/2015 10:29 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote: Will I guess I'm stupid.. I just got my new k3..I'm trying to send cw and when I do I get a err txf message.. What am I doing wrong? 73s Bob W5RG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] NEW K3
Congratulations on the new K3! 73, Gary KA1J THANKS GOT IT 73s Bob W5RG From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com To: Bob Gibson w...@yahoo.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] NEW K3 Bob, You apparently have selected a transmit filter for CW that is too narrow. The transmit filter for CW must be the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/22/2015 10:29 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote: Will I guess I'm stupid.. I just got my new k3..I'm trying to send cw and when I do I get a err txf message.. What am I doing wrong? 73s Bob W5RG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to g...@ka1j.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying
Since updating my K3 f/w to 5.01, I find that the time to switch between VFO A and B has increased noticeably - it used to be near instantaneous. This is not good when used in a contest and needing to switch rapidly between frequencies. Anyone else noticed this? 73 and HNY Graham __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying
Hi Gary I hear it as you do. The amplitude of the transient depends on the received noise level. This can be demonstrated with the rf gain control, but setting the gain control low and then increasing the received noise level with eg a preamp brings the transient back, so it's the actual noise level, not the rf gain setting. The transient we're hearing is also there on semi break in, it's not restricted to qsk. But it is a huge improvement. Graham On 19:59, Gary Smith wrote: Graham, I agree. And I also hear a transient click albeit it far better than before. Since you hear it as well, I have to ask you if you hear it on the right side, not the left, yes If you play a character slowly, do you hear it at the end of the character yes and if it goes away completely if you engage the sub Rx? yes This is what I have found with my K3. 73, Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying
Graham, I agree. And I also hear a transient click albeit it far better than before. Since you hear it as well, I have to ask you if you hear it on the right side, not the left, If you play a character slowly, do you hear it at the end of the character and if it goes away completely if you engage the sub Rx? This is what I have found with my K3. 73, Gary KA1J Yes, it's a significant improvement. There's still some slight transient click but much better. Well done Elecraft! Graham On 19:59, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi all, Our latest K3 firmware field test went very well, with great reports from CW operators regarding the new QSK sound. Many have been waiting patiently (or not :) for a few years for this improvement. This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to g...@ka1j.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying
Yes, it's a significant improvement. There's still some slight transient click but much better. Well done Elecraft! Graham On 19:59, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi all, Our latest K3 firmware field test went very well, with great reports from CW operators regarding the new QSK sound. Many have been waiting patiently (or not :) for a few years for this improvement. This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying
On Tue,12/16/2014 1:19 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm Not realizing this was a beta, I went looking for it with K3 Utility last night and didn't find it. It would be nice to have an option within K3 Utility to look for firmware that is in public beta. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying
Hi Jim, We make beta's a little different to get on purpose so that unsuspecting users don't download the beta (with potential bugs) by mistake through the usual utility route. Instead we provide the release in a zip file that the user copies and unzips to a local computer directory, and then loads via the utility. We also want to make sure beta testers are the ones who really are interested in testing the software and reporting any issues. The two step method above accomplishes this for us. We've used this method for the past 7 years with good feedback. On the K3 firmware page, where the beta is described, there is a link with clear instructions on how to get the .zip file for the beta releases. It says: See the K3 Beta Firmware Instruction http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_beta_release_instructions.htm for information on obtaining beta releases. Beta releases are not automatically recognized by the K3 Utility. The K3 Firmware page is located at: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm 73, Eric elecraft.com On 12/17/2014 9:15 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On Tue,12/16/2014 1:19 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm Not realizing this was a beta, I went looking for it with K3 Utility last night and didn't find it. It would be nice to have an option within K3 Utility to look for firmware that is in public beta. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elist_c...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini
I have been unable to find any PSK63, spent some time yesterday looking. I have been on sound card modes since early 80s never heard or worked PSK63. Any tips or info on where to find activity would be appreciated. 73 Thanks Emory WM3M gor Sokolov Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:50:58 -0700 Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini
PSK spots are here, the PSK63 ones are identified as such. http://hamspots.net/psk/ wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Oct 16, 2014, at 8:03 AM, ejk...@gmail.com ejk...@gmail.com wrote: I have been unable to find any PSK63, spent some time yesterday looking. I have been on sound card modes since early 80s never heard or worked PSK63. Any tips or info on where to find activity would be appreciated. 73 Thanks Emory WM3M gor Sokolov Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:50:58 -0700 Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini
vk9dlk on 30m psk right now On 10/16/2014 10:03 AM, ejk...@gmail.com wrote: I have been unable to find any PSK63, spent some time yesterday looking. I have been on sound card modes since early 80s never heard or worked PSK63. Any tips or info on where to find activity would be appreciated. 73 Thanks Emory WM3M gor Sokolov Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:50:58 -0700 Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ns9i2...@bayland.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini
For those who have asked for the new K3 field-test firmware: It'll probably be another day before I get the firmware out. Thanks for offering to test it. Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini
Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :) 73, Igor UA9CDC - Original Message - From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: elecraft...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini For those who have asked for the new K3 field-test firmware: It'll probably be another day before I get the firmware out. Thanks for offering to test it. Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ua9...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini
If tests of PSK63 go well with the K3, we should be able to add it to the KX3 as well. Wayne N6KR On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Igor Sokolov ua9...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :) 73, Igor UA9CDC - Original Message - From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: elecraft...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini For those who have asked for the new K3 field-test firmware: It'll probably be another day before I get the firmware out. Thanks for offering to test it. Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ua9...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)
Andy, Congratulations on the new K3! I've had mine about three years and love it. I can only answer one part of one question for you - the Dual PB comes into play only in RTTY operations. It shouldn't enabled for other modes. To help you learn about your K3, you might consider purchasing Fred Cady's book, The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration, and Operation, from Lulu.com (http://www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?keyWords=Fred+Cadytype=Not+Servicesite search=lulu.comq=). It will tell you all you need to know, and then some, about the K3. And, no, Fred isn't giving me kick-backs for promoting his book. I'm just another happy customer with no financial interest (unless you count knowing how to run the multi-thousands of dollars piece of equipment at my operating station). Hope this helps. 73 de, -- Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik@gmail.com K3 #281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468 HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andreas Hofmann Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:07 PM To: 'elecraft@mailman.qth.net' Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp) Hi, I put together my new K3 without any issues. My 8 and 10 year old daughters helped and they really enjoyed it too. Overall I am very happy with its performance. I do not seem to need PRE on the high bands as much, but I do seem to need ATT on the low bands more... I guess that is by design. I have a few things I need to figure out and the manual does not seem to help: 1. DUAL PB, APF. I am not sure I get the APF to work. I do not hear or see the middle peak of the filter. I think I only get DUAL PB, no matter what I set in the config menu. I am using the latest FW. Any ideas how to verify? 2. NR: I like how the noise goes away, but I do not like the under-the-water sound (K2 owner, no DSP experience). I seem to switch constantly back and forth... I am using the default setting for NR (F1-1). Is there a way to back off the setting slightly to have a better compromise setting? 3. KPA3 temp: The fans are MUCH quieter as my K2's which is good, but I do worry that I have not setup something right...When I monitor the KPA3 temperature, what is the max value that I should watch out for? I am getting up to 41 C during casual operation. Thanks in advance and 73, Andy KU7T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)
I saved this gem of a post from Jack WA9FVP Re: [Elecraft] [K3]Noise Filter (NF) ADJ wa9fvp Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:19:36 -0800 There's no documentation but as far as I can tell-- F1-x through F4-x defines the amount of noise reduction or how aggressive the filter attacks the I.F. noise. F5-X through F8-X defines the amount of reduction and the level that's mixed with the filtered and non-filtered I.F. Note that m which means mix will appear after F5-X and above. X defines the delay. Delay is the amount of time it takes for the filter to converge on a non-sinusoidal signal or the noise. The higher the number, the longer it takes for the noise to reduce to a low level. I hope this helps. Jack WA9FVP F1-x through F4-x are for CW F5-x through F8-x are for SSB On 3/10/2014 12:06 PM, Andreas Hofmann wrote: Hi, I put together my new K3 without any issues. My 8 and 10 year old daughters helped and they really enjoyed it too. Overall I am very happy with its performance. I do not seem to need PRE on the high bands as much, but I do seem to need ATT on the low bands more... I guess that is by design. I have a few things I need to figure out and the manual does not seem to help: 1. DUAL PB, APF. I am not sure I get the APF to work. I do not hear or see the middle peak of the filter. I think I only get DUAL PB, no matter what I set in the config menu. I am using the latest FW. Any ideas how to verify? 2. NR: I like how the noise goes away, but I do not like the under-the-water sound (K2 owner, no DSP experience). I seem to switch constantly back and forth... I am using the default setting for NR (F1-1). Is there a way to back off the setting slightly to have a better compromise setting? 3. KPA3 temp: The fans are MUCH quieter as my K2's which is good, but I do worry that I have not setup something right...When I monitor the KPA3 temperature, what is the max value that I should watch out for? I am getting up to 41 C during casual operation. Thanks in advance and 73, Andy KU7T -- GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)
Regarding the APF there are a couple of notes (in the KX3 area!) which may help: http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/tips/Using%20APF%20for%20weak%20signal%20CW%20work%20the%20K3%20and%20KX3.pdf http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/tips/Using%20APF%20with%20the%20K3%20and%20KX3.pdf Phil On 3/10/14, 10:06 AM, Andreas Hofmann wrote: Hi, I put together my new K3 without any issues. My 8 and 10 year old daughters helped and they really enjoyed it too. Overall I am very happy with its performance. I do not seem to need PRE on the high bands as much, but I do seem to need ATT on the low bands more... I guess that is by design. I have a few things I need to figure out and the manual does not seem to help: 1. DUAL PB, APF. I am not sure I get the APF to work. I do not hear or see the middle peak of the filter. I think I only get DUAL PB, no matter what I set in the config menu. I am using the latest FW. Any ideas how to verify? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)
And in the Config Menu you need to set DUAL PB to APF vs. nor Phil On 3/10/14, 11:38 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: Regarding the APF there are a couple of notes (in the KX3 area!) which may help: http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/tips/Using%20APF%20for%20weak%20signal%20CW%20work%20the%20K3%20and%20KX3.pdf http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/tips/Using%20APF%20with%20the%20K3%20and%20KX3.pdf Phil On 3/10/14, 10:06 AM, Andreas Hofmann wrote: Hi, I put together my new K3 without any issues. My 8 and 10 year old daughters helped and they really enjoyed it too. Overall I am very happy with its performance. I do not seem to need PRE on the high bands as much, but I do seem to need ATT on the low bands more... I guess that is by design. I have a few things I need to figure out and the manual does not seem to help: 1. DUAL PB, APF. I am not sure I get the APF to work. I do not hear or see the middle peak of the filter. I think I only get DUAL PB, no matter what I set in the config menu. I am using the latest FW. Any ideas how to verify? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)
Hi Andy, 1. The Dual PB/APF button has multiple functions. First of all, it is different in CW than in RTTY, and it doesn't do anything in other modes (SSB, DATA A, etc.). In CW, the Dual PB button has two functions, depending on whether CONFIG:DUAL PB is set to APF or NOR. In the APF configuration in CW, it is a very narrow audio peaking filter. Tuning of signals is touchy - even a 10-20 Hz change can make the difference between copy and no copy on a weak signal. The APF doesn't do much for strong signals - it's for pulling very weak CW signals out of the noise. In the NOR configuration in CW, the dual PB filter gives you a stepped filter bandpass, with a 150 Hz center portion set within a broader context bandpass about 20 dB down from the central bandpass; the width of the broader context bandpass is controlled by the WIDTH control. The effect is most obvious when WIDTH is set wide, say to 700-1000 Hz. Without the DUAL PB, signals several hundred Hz away but within the bandpass are strong; with DUAL PB, they are attenuated but still audible, although not as strong as signals within the narrower central bandpass; when WIDTH is narrowed down, with or without DUAL PB signals that far away become inaudible. When WIDTH is at, say, 400 Hz or so, the effect of the DUAL PB setting is not quite as obvious - the stepped response is not all that different from what you may be used to using normal crystal filtering without DSP. In RTTY (FSK D or AFSK A), the Dual PB button gives you a dual peak filter peaked on the two tones of the RTTY signal. In theory, this actually degrades the performance of a well-designed demodulator, so you might be better off not using it routinely, but in the situation where there are two overlapping RTTY signals with the mark or space of the interfering signal in between the mark and space of the one you are trying to work, it may help reduce the interference. 2. I can't help with NR. 3. KPA3 temp: at 41C, from a thermal point of view your PA is loafing. In heavier use (RTTY or heavy CW contesting use), it will climb up into the 50s or even the low 60s (depends on the ambient temperature, of course), and the fans will speed up. You can hear what the fans sound like at the different speed levels by using the CONFIG:KPA3 menu and changing it temporarily from NOR to FN1, FN2, FN3 or FN4. I don't think I have ever gotten my PA temp high enough to switch to the FN4 level automatically (somewhere around 65-70C, perhaps?), but I have reached the FN2 and FN3 levels during contests (FN3 mostly in RTTY). The KPA3 is supposed to protect itself by shutting off at 84C, but I've never seen anything approaching that level. You may see the PA TEMP indication change slightly during transmit as compared to receive. I believe this is caused by the voltage difference between TX and RX (if for no other reason than resistive losses in the power cable). You can set the PA TEMP display to RX-only if necessary to avoid this effect. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)
Not using the dual pass-band mode, due to the degradation Rich notes, is the consensus of some of the best RTTY contest operators of our acquaintance. Jack, W6NF/VE4SNA Shelley, K7MKL On 3/10/2014 1:21 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: In RTTY (FSK D or AFSK A), the Dual PB button gives you a dual peak filter peaked on the two tones of the RTTY signal. In theory, this actually degrades the performance of a well-designed demodulator, so you might be better off not using it routinely, but in the situation where there are two overlapping RTTY signals with the mark or space of the interfering signal in between the mark and space of the one you are trying to work, it may help reduce the interference. 73, Rich VE3KI --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/KPA500/KAT500 beta firmware: KAT500 tracking of K3 VFO other improvements
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:43:33 -0800, Wayne Burdick wrote: If you have any difficulty with the instructions below, please post a question to the Elecraft list, or contact customer support. I didn't expect this, but I'm having a bit of a problem with the beta version. When I put it in, I could not longer tune many frequencies on 160/80 meters that I used on a daily basis with the old version (1.41?). I reloaded it several times, going through the procedure to reload, etc. I finally gave up and reloaded 1.41 and everything was fine again. Interestingly, it seemed I had the most problem with the new firmware when I was near, but not on, resonant frequencies. Many times, when it will tune at 25 watts, it will not let the amp turn on. Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/KPA500/KAT500 beta firmware: KAT500 tracking of K3 VFO other improvements
This appears to work very well. The KAT500 following the VFO on the K3 is a tremendous improvement. I like it. Would it be possible to make the ATU TUNE button work with the KPA500/KAT500 as well? That, and maybe making the ANT button select outputs on the KAT500 would pretty much make the K3/KPA500/KAT500 *system* completely integrated. Thanks, Jeff n1kdo __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/KPA500/KAT500 beta firmware: KAT500 tracking of K3 VFO other improvements
Hi Wayne, I'm not at home now so I won't be installing the beta firmware until later this month. I use a vertical for 80 meter CW work and a loop for 75 meter phone. I was wondering if memorized tuner settings include the capability of selecting a different antenna within the same band by tracking frequency? 73, Paul K9NU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/KPA500/KAT500 beta firmware: KAT500 tracking of K3 VFO other improvements
It does not. 73 de Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul DeFelice Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 6:32 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3/KPA500/KAT500 beta firmware: KAT500 tracking of K3 VFO other improvements Hi Wayne, I'm not at home now so I won't be installing the beta firmware until later this month. I use a vertical for 80 meter CW work and a loop for 75 meter phone. I was wondering if memorized tuner settings include the capability of selecting a different antenna within the same band by tracking frequency? 73, Paul K9NU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/KPA500/KAT500 beta firmware: KAT500 tracking of K3 VFO other improvements
It works I am very pleased with these betawares. I gave my station a real workout on 40 and 75 today and there was not a single glitch. If anyone has a problem with the KAT500 going into a tune right in the middle of a QSO - this is the answer. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/KPA500/KAT500 beta firmware: KAT500 tracking of K3 VFO other improvements
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:43:33 -0800, Wayne Burdick wrote: The K3, KPA500, and KAT500 all have new beta firmware releases available. All three must be updated to take advantage of these major improvements to the KAT500 and KPA500. All known problems with unwanted re-tuning and faults have been fixed. Wayne, Can you give us the rundown on how much, if any, improvement those of us who use a non-E radio should see when using the KAT/KPA500 combo? Are there any enhancements we will see with these firmware updates? I have seen some random retuning for what seemed like no good reason. For that reason, I run in manual mode after making sure it is tuned right for where I am in the bands. Any special procedures for us? I probably won't do the updates until they are non-beta, but would like to know what's coming. Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New K3/KPA500/KAT500 beta firmware: KAT500 tracking of K3 VFO other improvements
On Feb 13, 2014, at 6:33 PM, mcduf...@ag0n.net wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:43:33 -0800, Wayne Burdick wrote: The K3, KPA500, and KAT500 all have new beta firmware releases available. All three must be updated to take advantage of these major improvements to the KAT500 and KPA500. All known problems with unwanted re-tuning and faults have been fixed. Wayne, Can you give us the rundown on how much, if any, improvement those of us who use a non-E radio should see when using the KAT/KPA500 combo? Are there any enhancements we will see with these firmware updates? I have seen some random retuning for what seemed like no good reason. For that reason, I run in manual mode after making sure it is tuned right for where I am in the bands. All of the problems with retuning that we know of have been corrected, regardless of transceiver type. Any special procedures for us? I probably won't do the updates until they are non-beta, but would like to know what's coming. Just install the KPA500 and KAT500 updates, and skip the Optional sections I described in my email. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner --- addendum on kits...
Phil and Don, Lighting is key to seeing detail, small objects. In high light the pupil constricts and depth of vision improves. These concepts well known to camera buffs. Want sharp image get higher light levels, better f-stops, shorter exposure time. I used to have a macro-lens for a 35mm film camera (both sold long ago in favor of digital camera). I have both a fluorescent fixture over my work surface and an illuminated round magnifier lamp. Some day I will get one the jeweler's head magnifier's. I have noticed my normal short-sighted ness going longer of late. But so far do not wear glasses for the near work. I do wear glasses for driving. Somewhere I acquired a small round magnifier lens which I can also use. But good light is necessary for doing surface mount assembly. Ed - KL7UW --- On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Phil, Yes, those capacitors are getting more and more difficult to read. My solution is a small lighted handheld magnifier. I think it was designed for reading - look in your local drugstore. As I recall, I found it at Walmart. Just plain magnification is not enough - the lighting helps immensely 73, Don W3FPR 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner
Spend the time to check off all parts against the parts list. Ensures all is there and aquaints you with many similar looking screws (so you don't use the wrong ones). I bought a large Plano plastic parts box (like a fishing tackle box) with many dividers to place the sorted parts. Some items it is best not to remove from packaging until you install them. Also take your time and enjoy the process of building. Rushing usually leads to mistakes. Likewise do not shortcut the instructions. They were written to help you avoid mistakes! Use pencil to check each off as you work (I also check parts shown in diagrams as they are installed). Often the shows up an error before I go too far. K3/10 sn 4340 KX3 sn 475 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner
As Don stated prepare yourself for a new level of transceiver performance, it does take some getting used to 8) 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100 P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2 Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G 300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 3:52 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner Carl, Think anti-static. Use a wrist strap as a minimum, but an anti-static mat in addition is highly desirable. The idea is to keep everything within reach at your work area at the same potential. Do *NOT* use a fully conductive work area (like a cookie sheet) - that can be a hazard to your well-being in case there is a short of some kind - sparks and molten metal spewing into the air and onto your body is possible. The anti-static mat and the wrist strap can connect to the ground screw on the plate of an AC receptacle - but make certain the receptacle is properly grounded, you can check with an inexpensive tester that can be found at your DIY or hardware store in the electrical department. Driving a ground stake is totally unnecessary, and can in itself be a hazard if it is not connected to the utility entrance ground stake with a #6 or larger copper wire. As I indicated, the idea is to keep everything at the same potential (even through a high resistance). The wrist strap will have an internal 1 megohm resistor to assure your safety. 2nd, buy yourself a *new* good quality #1 Phillips screwdriver - do not skimp on quality for that item, stripped or partially stripped screwheads can reward you if you ignore this small item. Some will tell you to use a magnetic screwdriver, but I don't like anything magnetic at my workbench - they pick up bits of metallic things and drop them in places where Murphy says they will cause the most damage. Other than that, follow the instructions in the order written - and do an inventory up front. If you do not understand any step, stop and ask, there will be several on this reflector that will try to clarify for you. Have fun with the build, in the end you will have a great transceiver. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/17/2014 4:11 PM, Carl Yaffey wrote: Hi. I've just ordered a K3 kit. Any suggestions for putting it together properly? Yes, I know to be very careful - hi hi. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner
Be sure you have good tools!. Buy a new, high quality #1 Phillips Screw Driver and use it. Round up all the Reed and Prince cheap screwdrivers that you bought at the bargain store and preferably throw them away, if not keep them with the punches, that is all they are good for. Buy a static mat, read the instructions and use it. Read the construction manual from front to back. If you don't understand them, read them again and again until you do. If you still don't understand them, get help until you do. Before you do anything read the appropriate part again so you really know what to do. Follow the instructions in the order the manual prescribes and be sure you understand each step. When you need to plug in a part, make sure that you have the right plug and socket then use as much force as required to seat the plug fully. When assembling something, if it will not go, loosen some screws so you can move it a little then be sure to tighten them before you go on. There is no magic formula, just be careful and forget the hi-hi until you are sending Morse. It is easy, but every step is important and must be done correctly. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Carl Yaffey cyaf...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: [Elecraft] new K3 owner Hi. I’ve just ordered a K3 kit. Any suggestions for putting it together properly? Yes, I know to be very careful - hi hi. 73, Carl Yaffey K8NU Banjo, guitar, bass, mandolin, dobro. recording studio. cyaffeyno_s...@gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner
More advice: Be sure you're using the correct hardware (especially screws) by measuring them as suggested in the assembly manual. We get a significant number of kits returned with chassis or other short circuits due to long wrong screws being used. 73, matt W6NIA On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:06:23 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Be sure you have good tools!. Buy a new, high quality #1 Phillips Screw Driver and use it. Round up all the Reed and Prince cheap screwdrivers that you bought at the bargain store and preferably throw them away, if not keep them with the punches, that is all they are good for. Buy a static mat, read the instructions and use it. Read the construction manual from front to back. If you don't understand them, read them again and again until you do. If you still don't understand them, get help until you do. Before you do anything read the appropriate part again so you really know what to do. Follow the instructions in the order the manual prescribes and be sure you understand each step. When you need to plug in a part, make sure that you have the right plug and socket then use as much force as required to seat the plug fully. When assembling something, if it will not go, loosen some screws so you can move it a little then be sure to tighten them before you go on. There is no magic formula, just be careful and forget the hi-hi until you are sending Morse. It is easy, but every step is important and must be done correctly. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com 831-763-4211 x129 Skype: matt.zilmer __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner
Having relatively recently built a K3, P3, KPA500, KX3, and KXPA100 I've found my little Petzl LED headlamp to be one of handiest things aside from good tools and a big static mat. It puts light exactly where I'm looking and makes it easy to check pin alignment and the like without having to move, rotate, or otherwise disturb the assembly I'm working on. 73, Tighe -- Tighe Kuykendall NK4I | www.NK4I.com | Follow Me on Twitter: @NK4I ARRL Life Member, NAQCC #6467 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner
ditto on the high quality screwdrivers... And, replace them every now and then because even high-quality will become worn over the years. You want the flutes to have nice clean sharp edges -- any rounding at all (which is common on poor quality new screwdrivers) will result in stripped screw heads more often. Also, you can take a file (I use a saw sharpening file, triangular) and clean up those old screwdrivers. 73 phil K7PEH On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:06 AM, WILLIS COOKE wrco...@yahoo.com wrote: Be sure you have good tools!. Buy a new, high quality #1 Phillips Screw Driver and use it. Round up all the Reed and Prince cheap screwdrivers that you bought at the bargain store and preferably throw them away, if not keep them with the punches, that is all they are good for. Buy a static mat, read the instructions and use it. Read the construction manual from front to back. If you don't understand them, read them again and again until you do. If you still don't understand them, get help until you do. Before you do anything read the appropriate part again so you really know what to do. Follow the instructions in the order the manual prescribes and be sure you understand each step. When you need to plug in a part, make sure that you have the right plug and socket then use as much force as required to seat the plug fully. When assembling something, if it will not go, loosen some screws so you can move it a little then be sure to tighten them before you go on. There is no magic formula, just be careful and forget the hi-hi until you are sending Morse. It is easy, but every step is important and must be done correctly. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Carl Yaffey cyaf...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: [Elecraft] new K3 owner Hi. I’ve just ordered a K3 kit. Any suggestions for putting it together properly? Yes, I know to be very careful - hi hi. 73, Carl Yaffey K8NU Banjo, guitar, bass, mandolin, dobro. recording studio. cyaffeyno_s...@gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner --- addendum on kits...
Also, while we are on the kit-building theme I have a problem with small parts such as small capacitors. I know this is not a problem with the SMT kits like the K3 or KX3 and so on but I remember when I did the 80/30 option for my KX1 there were several capacitors and none of my methods would work to read the printing on these things. I have several good magnifying glasses, a magnifying lamp, and so on. I could not read them at all. I had to grab my Fluke DVM and use that to measure the capacitance to determine which was which. If anyone has a better solution to this problem -- let me know. Eye sight only gets worse, it rarely gets better. Electronic parts only get smaller, they rarely get larger. 73 phil K7PEH On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Tighe Kuykendall t...@nk4i.com wrote: Having relatively recently built a K3, P3, KPA500, KX3, and KXPA100 I've found my little Petzl LED headlamp to be one of handiest things aside from good tools and a big static mat. It puts light exactly where I'm looking and makes it easy to check pin alignment and the like without having to move, rotate, or otherwise disturb the assembly I'm working on. 73, Tighe -- Tighe Kuykendall NK4I | www.NK4I.com | Follow Me on Twitter: @NK4I ARRL Life Member, NAQCC #6467 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner --- addendum on kits...
Phil, Yes, those capacitors are getting more and more difficult to read. My solution is a small lighted handheld magnifier. I think it was designed for reading - look in your local drugstore. As I recall, I found it at Walmart. Just plain magnification is not enough - the lighting helps immensely 73, Don W3FPR On 1/18/2014 1:07 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: Also, while we are on the kit-building theme I have a problem with small parts such as small capacitors. I know this is not a problem with the SMT kits like the K3 or KX3 and so on but I remember when I did the 80/30 option for my KX1 there were several capacitors and none of my methods would work to read the printing on these things. I have several good magnifying glasses, a magnifying lamp, and so on. I could not read them at all. I had to grab my Fluke DVM and use that to measure the capacitance to determine which was which. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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If you're REALLY serious about using the right tools, and do any service work on Japanese radios, you might want to buy a set of JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) screwdrivers. The cross drive is different from the Phillips or Frearson (Reed Prince). Compatible screw heads are usually identifiable by a single depressed dot or an X to one side of the cross slot. This is a screw standard throughout the Asia market and Japanese imports. The driver has a 57° point with a flat tip. 73, Charlie k3ICH - Original Message - From: Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com To: WILLIS COOKE wrco...@yahoo.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner ditto on the high quality screwdrivers... And, replace them every now and then because even high-quality will become worn over the years. You want the flutes to have nice clean sharp edges -- any rounding at all (which is common on poor quality new screwdrivers) will result in stripped screw heads more often. Also, you can take a file (I use a saw sharpening file, triangular) and clean up those old screwdrivers. 73 phil K7PEH On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:06 AM, WILLIS COOKE wrco...@yahoo.com wrote: Be sure you have good tools!. Buy a new, high quality #1 Phillips Screw Driver and use it. Round up all the Reed and Prince cheap screwdrivers that you bought at the bargain store and preferably throw them away, if not keep them with the punches, that is all they are good for. Buy a static mat, read the instructions and use it. Read the construction manual from front to back. If you don't understand them, read them again and again until you do. If you still don't understand them, get help until you do. Before you do anything read the appropriate part again so you really know what to do. Follow the instructions in the order the manual prescribes and be sure you understand each step. When you need to plug in a part, make sure that you have the right plug and socket then use as much force as required to seat the plug fully. When assembling something, if it will not go, loosen some screws so you can move it a little then be sure to tighten them before you go on. There is no magic formula, just be careful and forget the hi-hi until you are sending Morse. It is easy, but every step is important and must be done correctly. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Carl Yaffey cyaf...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: [Elecraft] new K3 owner Hi. I’ve just ordered a K3 kit. Any suggestions for putting it together properly? Yes, I know to be very careful - hi hi. 73, Carl Yaffey K8NU Banjo, guitar, bass, mandolin, dobro. recording studio. cyaffeyno_s...@gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Hi Carl. I am a new K3 owner too. Finished my K3 a month ago (SN7819). Assembling the kit is fun. As stated before: Take your time. I used all anti-static and good tools. Used a wrist strap and anti-static mat. The mat and my wrist strap were grounded to the house safety earth. All boards and components are very well indicated and the manuals are clear. Except the Operating manual. This feels a bit minimal. But don't worry. The support from Elecraft is quite okay. QRP-project in Germany, Elecraft's representative in Europe did very well. I also experienced fast response from Elecraft USA too. No problem to make it a proper job. Read, read and re-read the manuals. And when you finally can run the rig, be prepared to have a long and pleasant learning curve. 73, Peter PA2V Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 01:07:58 -0900 From: Edward R Cole kl...@acsalaska.net To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner Message-ID: 201401181007.s0ia7whn036...@huffman.acsalaska.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Spend the time to check off all parts against the parts list. Ensures all is there and aquaints you with many similar looking screws (so you don't use the wrong ones). I bought a large Plano plastic parts box (like a fishing tackle box) with many dividers to place the sorted parts. Some items it is best not to remove from packaging until you install them. Also take your time and enjoy the process of building. Rushing usually leads to mistakes. Likewise do not shortcut the instructions. They were written to help you avoid mistakes! Use pencil to check each off as you work (I also check parts shown in diagrams as they are installed). Often the shows up an error before I go too far. K3/10 sn 4340 KX3 sn 475 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com -- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 04:43:18 -0600 From: Fred Smith m...@totalhighspeed.com To: d...@w3fpr.com, elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner Message-ID: 001701cf143a$19e9dfd0$4dbd9f70$@com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As Don stated prepare yourself for a new level of transceiver performance, it does take some getting used to 8) 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100 P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2 Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G 300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 3:52 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner Carl, Think anti-static. Use a wrist strap as a minimum, but an anti-static mat in addition is highly desirable. The idea is to keep everything within reach at your work area at the same potential. Do *NOT* use a fully conductive work area (like a cookie sheet) - that can be a hazard to your well-being in case there is a short of some kind - sparks and molten metal spewing into the air and onto your body is possible. The anti-static mat and the wrist strap can connect to the ground screw on the plate of an AC receptacle - but make certain the receptacle is properly grounded, you can check with an inexpensive tester that can be found at your DIY or hardware store in the electrical department. Driving a ground stake is totally unnecessary, and can in itself be a hazard if it is not connected to the utility entrance ground stake with a #6 or larger copper wire. As I indicated, the idea is to keep everything at the same potential (even through a high resistance). The wrist strap will have an internal 1 megohm resistor to assure your safety. 2nd, buy yourself a *new* good quality #1 Phillips screwdriver - do not skimp on quality for that item, stripped or partially stripped screwheads can reward you if you ignore this small item. Some will tell you to use a magnetic screwdriver, but I don't like anything magnetic at my workbench - they pick up bits of metallic things and drop them in places where Murphy says they will cause the most damage. Other than that, follow the instructions in the order written - and do an inventory up front. If you do not understand any step, stop and ask, there will be several on this reflector that will try to clarify for you. Have fun with the build, in the end you will have a great transceiver. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/17/2014 4:11 PM, Carl Yaffey wrote: Hi. I've just ordered a K3 kit. Any suggestions for putting it together properly? Yes, I know to be very careful - hi hi. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net
Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner
Everything Ed said; Check. I used 18 egg, egg cartons to hold parts and cut card stock in strips, labelled them according to small part then taped them in the individual egg holders with those parts in the egg socket. Didn't knock over like cups would have and kept everything separate till the end. No spare parts when I was done. Gary KA1J P.S.; Good choice, the K3! Spend the time to check off all parts against the parts list. Ensures all is there and aquaints you with many similar looking screws (so you don't use the wrong ones). I bought a large Plano plastic parts box (like a fishing tackle box) with many dividers to place the sorted parts. Some items it is best not to remove from packaging until you install them. Also take your time and enjoy the process of building. Rushing usually leads to mistakes. Likewise do not shortcut the instructions. They were written to help you avoid mistakes! Use pencil to check each off as you work (I also check parts shown in diagrams as they are installed). Often the shows up an error before I go too far. K3/10 sn 4340 KX3 sn 475 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Absolutely true. Same for Japanese motorcycles which I repair, JIS is the only screwdriver to use on those screws. As Charlie said, they are ID'd by the dot on the head. Gary KA1J If you're REALLY serious about using the right tools, and do any service work on Japanese radios, you might want to buy a set of JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) screwdrivers. The cross drive is different from the Phillips or Frearson (Reed Prince). Compatible screw heads are usually identifiable by a single depressed dot or an X to one side of the cross slot. This is a screw standard throughout the Asia market and Japanese imports. The driver has a 57° point with a flat tip. 73, Charlie k3ICH - Original Message - From: Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com To: WILLIS COOKE wrco...@yahoo.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner ditto on the high quality screwdrivers... And, replace them every now and then because even high-quality will become worn over the years. You want the flutes to have nice clean sharp edges -- any rounding at all (which is common on poor quality new screwdrivers) will result in stripped screw heads more often. Also, you can take a file (I use a saw sharpening file, triangular) and clean up those old screwdrivers. 73 phil K7PEH On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:06 AM, WILLIS COOKE wrco...@yahoo.com wrote: Be sure you have good tools!. Buy a new, high quality #1 Phillips Screw Driver and use it. Round up all the Reed and Prince cheap screwdrivers that you bought at the bargain store and preferably throw them away, if not keep them with the punches, that is all they are good for. Buy a static mat, read the instructions and use it. Read the construction manual from front to back. If you don't understand them, read them again and again until you do. If you still don't understand them, get help until you do. Before you do anything read the appropriate part again so you really know what to do. Follow the instructions in the order the manual prescribes and be sure you understand each step. When you need to plug in a part, make sure that you have the right plug and socket then use as much force as required to seat the plug fully. When assembling something, if it will not go, loosen some screws so you can move it a little then be sure to tighten them before you go on. There is no magic formula, just be careful and forget the hi-hi until you are sending Morse. It is easy, but every step is important and must be done correctly. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Carl Yaffey cyaf...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: [Elecraft] new K3 owner Hi. I´ve just ordered a K3 kit. Any suggestions for putting it together properly? Yes, I know to be very careful - hi hi. 73, Carl Yaffey K8NU Banjo, guitar, bass, mandolin, dobro. recording studio. cyaffeyno_s...@gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list
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My perception is that the JIS drivers are the best fit for Elecraft screws. I've never gotten a response from Elecraft about their choice of drivers. 73, doug On 18-Jan-14 16:03, Gary Smith wrote: Absolutely true. Same for Japanese motorcycles which I repair, JIS is the only screwdriver to use on those screws. As Charlie said, they are ID'd by the dot on the head. Gary KA1J If you're REALLY serious about using the right tools, and do any service work on Japanese radios, you might want to buy a set of JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) screwdrivers. The cross drive is different from the Phillips or Frearson (Reed Prince). Compatible screw heads are usually identifiable by a single depressed dot or an X to one side of the cross slot. This is a screw standard throughout the Asia market and Japanese imports. The driver has a 57° point with a flat tip. 73, Charlie k3ICH - Original Message - From: Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com To: WILLIS COOKE wrco...@yahoo.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3 owner ditto on the high quality screwdrivers... And, replace them every now and then because even high-quality will become worn over the years. You want the flutes to have nice clean sharp edges -- any rounding at all (which is common on poor quality new screwdrivers) will result in stripped screw heads more often. Also, you can take a file (I use a saw sharpening file, triangular) and clean up those old screwdrivers. 73 phil K7PEH On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:06 AM, WILLIS COOKE wrco...@yahoo.com wrote: Be sure you have good tools!. Buy a new, high quality #1 Phillips Screw Driver and use it. Round up all the Reed and Prince cheap screwdrivers that you bought at the bargain store and preferably throw them away, if not keep them with the punches, that is all they are good for. Buy a static mat, read the instructions and use it. Read the construction manual from front to back. If you don't understand them, read them again and again until you do. If you still don't understand them, get help until you do. Before you do anything read the appropriate part again so you really know what to do. Follow the instructions in the order the manual prescribes and be sure you understand each step. When you need to plug in a part, make sure that you have the right plug and socket then use as much force as required to seat the plug fully. When assembling something, if it will not go, loosen some screws so you can move it a little then be sure to tighten them before you go on. There is no magic formula, just be careful and forget the hi-hi until you are sending Morse. It is easy, but every step is important and must be done correctly. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Carl Yaffey cyaf...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: [Elecraft] new K3 owner Hi. I´ve just ordered a K3 kit. Any suggestions for putting it together properly? Yes, I know to be very careful - hi hi. 73, Carl Yaffey K8NU Banjo, guitar, bass, mandolin, dobro. recording studio. cyaffeyno_s...@gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft
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Thanks Don -- I will go searching for one of those tomorrow. 73, phil, K7PEH On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Phil, Yes, those capacitors are getting more and more difficult to read. My solution is a small lighted handheld magnifier. I think it was designed for reading - look in your local drugstore. As I recall, I found it at Walmart. Just plain magnification is not enough - the lighting helps immensely 73, Don W3FPR On 1/18/2014 1:07 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: Also, while we are on the kit-building theme I have a problem with small parts such as small capacitors. I know this is not a problem with the SMT kits like the K3 or KX3 and so on but I remember when I did the 80/30 option for my KX1 there were several capacitors and none of my methods would work to read the printing on these things. I have several good magnifying glasses, a magnifying lamp, and so on. I could not read them at all. I had to grab my Fluke DVM and use that to measure the capacitance to determine which was which. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Carl, Think anti-static. Use a wrist strap as a minimum, but an anti-static mat in addition is highly desirable. The idea is to keep everything within reach at your work area at the same potential. Do *NOT* use a fully conductive work area (like a cookie sheet) - that can be a hazard to your well-being in case there is a short of some kind - sparks and molten metal spewing into the air and onto your body is possible. The anti-static mat and the wrist strap can connect to the ground screw on the plate of an AC receptacle - but make certain the receptacle is properly grounded, you can check with an inexpensive tester that can be found at your DIY or hardware store in the electrical department. Driving a ground stake is totally unnecessary, and can in itself be a hazard if it is not connected to the utility entrance ground stake with a #6 or larger copper wire. As I indicated, the idea is to keep everything at the same potential (even through a high resistance). The wrist strap will have an internal 1 megohm resistor to assure your safety. 2nd, buy yourself a *new* good quality #1 Phillips screwdriver - do not skimp on quality for that item, stripped or partially stripped screwheads can reward you if you ignore this small item. Some will tell you to use a magnetic screwdriver, but I don't like anything magnetic at my workbench - they pick up bits of metallic things and drop them in places where Murphy says they will cause the most damage. Other than that, follow the instructions in the order written - and do an inventory up front. If you do not understand any step, stop and ask, there will be several on this reflector that will try to clarify for you. Have fun with the build, in the end you will have a great transceiver. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/17/2014 4:11 PM, Carl Yaffey wrote: Hi. I’ve just ordered a K3 kit. Any suggestions for putting it together properly? Yes, I know to be very careful - hi hi. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html