Chemical Compliance/Product Safety/EMC
Our company is planning on moving the Chemical Compliance Department from the Quality Systems Department to the Compliance Engineering Department (Product Safety/EMC). What do you see the advantages are in this restructuring? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
ISO 9000
Greetings, Several years ago most manufacturing companies were getting evaluated to ISO 9000 standards. Since that time, there have been some revisions to the standards. Does your company still spend time and money dealing with ISO 9000 and it's revisions. If so, why. If not, why not? I realize this subject is not directly related to product safety/EMC, so, if you like, you can email me directly with your responses. All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
UL 61010A-1
Greetings, I recently heard that UL released UL 61010A-1 which is their version of EN 61010-1. It is my understanding that this standard will replace UL 3101-1. Does anyone know if the UL version is identical to EN 61010-1: 2001? What is the status for the withdrawal of UL 3101-1? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Country of Origin/Made in xxx-Revisited
To all, The recent threads on Country of Origin and Made in xxx brought up many questions on this subject. So, I did some research. I appeared to get some answers and also created some more questions. Hopefully, members of the group can confirm or disagree with the items listed below. 1. US International Trade Commission (USITC) Requirements--According to the information I have obtained, there are no requirements for products being exported from the US. The Country of Origin requirements only pertain to products that are imported into the US. Do you agree? How does this requirement work for a US manufacturer that also has products built in another country such as Singapore? Do we need to mark the products manufactured in Singapore with Country of Origin for shipment into the US? 2. North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Requirements--If your product meets the preference criteria A-F as defined by the Agreement, you create a Certificate of Origin to get preferential tariff treatment. The US, Canada and Mexico all have their own Country of Origin marking requirements. Agree?? 3. US Federal Trade Commission Made in USA requirements--In order to label a product Made in USA, the product must be substantially all made in the US. A product will be considered substantially all made in the US if the product was last substantially transformed in the US and US manufacturing cost are at least 75% of total manufacturing costs; OR the product was last substantially transformed in the US and all significant parts were last substantially transformed in the US (substantially transformed refers to a manufacturing process that results in a new and different article of commerce, having a new name, character and use.) Agree?? 4. Countries other than the US Country of Origin Requirements--Does anybody have a list of Country of Origin marking requirements for various countries?? All responses are greatly appreciated. Regards Joe Martin --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Country of Origin
Greetings: Our company is currently reviewing its compliance with the Country of Origin requirements administered by the US International Trade Commission. We have been told from a consultant that we need to improve our program. Based on these recommendations, we have created two phases. Phase 1 - Add Country of Origin identifiers for all shippable products including end-use instrumentation and service kits. This identifier would be in the form of a marking. Phase 2 - Add Country of Origin identifiers on all piece parts which make-up the instruments. For example, screws, tubing, power supplies, etc. This identifier would be an update to our documentation data base. Although there seems to be so some merit for Phase 1, Phase 2 seems extensive. We use more than 30,000 parts in our product lines. How do most companies deal with this requirement? Has anyone been audited to this requirement? How extensive was the audit? Can anyone provide any background as to the intent of this regulation? All opinions are appreciated. Regards, Mark Sweeny Manager, Compliance Engineering Applied Biosystems --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Committee Memberships
To all, I am trying to find out what is required of an individual to become a member of committees that are responsible for creating standards. These committees would include, but not limited to, IEC Technical Committees, Working Groups and ANSI Standards Committees. My question is extremely general since I am trying to gather any and all information on this process. I am sure that many members of this forum are involved in various committees that are responsible for creating standards. Hopefully, you can shed some light on this issue. All responses are greatly appreciated. Regards Joe Martin Compliance Engineering Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
IEC 61010-2-081
Greetings, IEC 61010-2-081 ...Particular requirements for automatic and semi-automatic laboratory equipment for analysis and other purposes was published on 12/2001. Is anyone aware if an EN document is in the works? If so, any idea on a date of publication? Thanks Joe Martin Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Meaning of Expired in OJ Listings
Greetings, In the OJ's list of harmonized standards section Date of cessation of presumption of conformity of the superseded standard , what is meant when it states Date expired xx? Example: A2 to EN61010-1 has date expired 1.4.2001 URL attached below. http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/dat/2002/c_057/c_05720020304en00010097.pdf All responses are appreciated Regards Joe Martin Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
EN 61010: 2001 DOW
Group, Does anyone know what the Date of Withdrawal (DOW) is for EN 61010-1: 2001? This new edition has been listed in the OJ at the web address below. However, there is no Date of cessation listed in the OJ. I have a copy of the standard, yet the Forward Section does not state a DOW. According to the OJ, Amendment A2 1995 to EN 61010 expired on April 1, 2001. Does this mean that if I am declaring conformity to EN 61010-1 1993, I can not declare conformity to A2 after April 1, 2001? However, A2 is included in the 2001 edition. This implies that we need to continue to conform to A2. Any clarification that can be provided would be helpful. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/dat/2002/c_057/c_05720020304en00010097.pdf --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Japan mains voltage
Darren, The information that I have seen from the two sources listed below is that Japan is nominally 100V 50/60 Hz. The 50 Hz is primarily in Eastern Japan (Tokyo, Kawasaki, Sapporo and Yokohoma). The 60 Hz is primarily in Western Japan (Osaka, Kyoto, Nagoya and Hiroshima). Check out the two web sites below. They both contain lists for voltages and frequencies for around the world. http://www.interpower.com/guide.htm http://kropla.com/electric2.htm Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems Darren Pearson dar...@genesysibs.comTo: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@majordomSubject: Japan mains voltage o.ieee.org 02/20/02 04:46 AM Please respond to Darren Pearson Can anyone tell me what the mains voltage is in Japan, I think it is 110V but I do not know the frequency. apart from this, does any one know of a web site that gives information about the mains voltage and frequency of various countries ? Regards Darren. Darren Pearson Radio Telecom Approval Services Genesys Singleton Court, Wonastow Road Monmouth, NP25 5JA UK Tel: +44 1600 710300 Fax: +44 1600 710301 email: dar...@genesysibs.com web: www.genesysibs.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Creating a Reliability Department
I have been given a consulting opportunity to develop a plan for a Reliability Department for a fairly large manufacturing company of Laboratory Equipment. Since my background is in compliance I could use some advice on how to get started. 1. The goal is to hire one permanent employee and grow over time. What are some justifications/success stories/strategies for having a Reliability Department? 2. Assuming the goal is to have the best reliability department in the world, how do we get started? What are the stages which should be followed for developing a Reliability Group? What would staffing requirements look like for each phase? 3. The goal is to have this position report to Manufacturing Engineering. From a compliance standpoint, this would be a conflict of interest. Does the same hold true for Reliability Engineering? 4. This department may include a global function. What is the best method to integrate this department globally? All responses are greatly appreciated Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Teslars???
We have a customer that is concerned about how our product, laboratory equipment, will respond to electromagnetic disturbances from a high speed train that runs close to their lab. The customer states that the disturbance will be around 0.7-1.2 m Teslar. Can someone please explain what the unit Teslar is and how that unit relates, or if it relates, to the immunity tests of EN 61000-4-3 Radiated immunity, or any other immunity test. Has anyone ever had a similar concern from a customer dealing with this type of disturbance? Your responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Compliance After Repairs in the Field
Greetings, We are a manufacturer of Laboratory Equipment. We evaluate our products to UL 3101-1, CSA 1010.0 and EN 61010. When we repair a product in the field, which may include replacing power supplies, line filters, etc., what obligations do we have to verify continuing compliance with the safety specifications we originally evaluated our products against? Do we need to perform applicable safety testing following these repairs? Traditionally, NRTL's are not concerned with the product once it leaves the factory. They do not require follow-up testing to be performed after repairs are made in the field. Since we self-certify to the LVD, should we take a different approach to repairs in the field compared to the approach NRTL's take? Does your company have a specific process that is followed when repairs are made in the field to verify continuing compliance? If so, what is that process? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Low Leakage Variac
Greetings, We evaluate our equipment to UL 3101-1, CSA 1010.0 and EN 61010-1. Our existing variable autotransformer adds up to 1mA of leakage current when performing the Current Test section of the Permissible Limits requirements(Sec. 6.3.2.2 allowing 3.5mA in single fault condition). I have not contacted the various variac manufacturers yet (Staco, Powerstat, etc.). I prefer to get some real world information prior to listening to the manufacturers promises. Can anyone provide me with the manufacturer and model of a variac that they have used that does not add leakage to their product test results. This variac can either be 120V or 240V input with output of a minimum of 280V and an amp rating of 16A or more. Your comments are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Spray-on Conductive Coatings
UL Recognized Component Category QMRX2 covers parts and enclosures made from polymeric materials that are electroplated, metal foiled, hot stamped, painted, cathode sputtered or vacuum metalizzed. This category approves the combination of the coating applicator, coating thickness, plastic manufacturer and plastic material designation. In order to make life easier when obtaining UL or other NRTL approvals, I would recommend using coating applicators/plastics that have already been approved under this category. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems Doug McKean dmck...@auspex.com To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@majordomSubject: Re: Spray-on Conductive Coatings o.ieee.org 01/11/02 03:02 PM Please respond to Doug McKean Darrell Locke wrote: Dear Colleages, We have seen an issue lately with spray-on conductive coatings used on the inside of electronic enclosures. The coating works great for EMC, but there seems to be a problem with adhesion and tiny flakes of conductive material getting in the electronics. I'm thinking that the spray-on type materials should not be used at all. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Try to avoid it if you can. You're absolutely right about the problem of flaking onto or getting into any energized electrical parts. Safety will be all over you about using it. And because of that, you'll have to get: 1. a UL approval for plastic of the cover, 2. a UL approval for the plastic molder who's making the cover for you, 3. a UL approval for the conductive coating, 4. a UL approval for the marriage of the coating with the plastic, 5. and a UL approval for the vendor applying the coating to the cover. All approvals have to be verified of course in black-and-white for approval and for all subsequent factory inspections with of course appropriate Certificates of Compliance handy as well. As far as emi, it's sort of a once used thing. Don't use it on a cover that will be repeatedly removed and replaced. It's not meant to be disturbed to any extent once in place. And do not use it as a primary ground either. And it's all dependent upon the thickness of the layers for effectiveness. Oil based coatings seem to have a higher ohms-per-square than the water based coatings. You want to keep it down around less than 0.5 ohms. Been there, done that, sorta don't want to do it again. Other personal experience mileages may vary of course. All strictly my own 2 cents worth of opinion. - Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/
LISN Calibration
We are in the process of setting up a pre-compliance EMC lab. One of the tests that we will be performing is pre-compliance conducted emissions per EN 61326. I realize that since we are only performing pre-compliance measurements that calibration of the LISN is not required. However, do you recommend calibrating the LISN for pre-compliance measurements? If so, why? Your responses are appreciated Regards Joe Martin Applied Biosystems --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Pre-amps
I am having some difficulties locating manufacturers that provide preamps with a 20-22dB gain. What manufacturer/model do you recommend? Why? Your assistance is appreciated. Regards Joe Martin Applied Biosystems --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Vertical Ground Plane
ANSI 63.4 clearly specifies the requirements for a vertical ground plane when performing conducted emissions measurements. I was unable to find such clarifications when reviewing CISPR 16. Do the CISPR standards require a vertical ground plane for conducted emissions? If so, where is this requirement specified? Your assistance is appreciated. Joe Martin Applied Biosystems --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Product Safety Incidents
We currently have a good process for collecting information from product safety incidents in the field. We are now trying to develop a matrix which lists which individuals in our organization should be involved. This involvement should depend on the severity of the incident. Types of incidences would include Reportable Injury, Property Loss, Instrument Damage, Product Recall, Upgrades in the field less than a specified amount, Upgrades in the field greater than a specified mount,, Customer Notification, etc. Is there anyone willing to share a matrix or provide suggestions/format on how the notification process is done in his/her organization? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin Compliance Engineering Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: EN 61010-1
Gentlemen, I have a copy of IEC 61010-1 2nd edition. I was not aware of the EN version having been published or listed in the OJ. Does anyone have any information on the EN version of the 2nd edition to 61010-1. Regards Joe Martin richard.pa...@exgate.tek.com@majordomo.ieee.org on 07/31/2001 06:17:13 AM Please respond to richard.pa...@exgate.tek.com Sent by: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org To: emc-p...@ieee.org cc: Subject: RE: EN 61010-1 Hi Scott: We haven't actually started evaluating products to the 2nd edition yet. But we are keeping an eye to the 2nd edition requirements which have changed significantly (like power limitations for Limited Circuits) as we evaluate products still to the 1st edition. Do you have any information on the effectivity date for the 2nd edition, or date of withdrawal for the 1st edition ? Richard Payne Tektronix, Inc. Product Safety Engineering Tel: 503 627-1820 Fax: 503 627-3838 email: richard.pa...@tektronix.com -Original Message- From: Scott Barrows [mailto:sbarr...@curtis-straus.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:56 PM To: PSTC Subject: EN 61010-1 Hello All, Has anyone started evaluations or testing to EN61010-1, 2nd edition 2001 -02 yet? Scott Barrows Curtis Straus LLC --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Secondary Grounding
Group, This is a general product safety question: In order to avoid test failures during a single fault condition where the primary ground is removed, what design methods can be used to add a second ground to the system so that a ground is still provided even during a single fault condition of removing the primary ground? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Antenna Calibration
How often do you calibrate your biconical and log periodic antennas? Why did you choose that interval? Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Capacitor Discharge Test
We evaluate our laboratory equipment to UL 3101-1, CSA 1010.1 and EN 61010-1. Section 6.10.3 of UL 3101-1 states If plug pins of cord-connected equipment receive a charge from an internal capacitor, the pins shall not be HAZARDOUS LIVE 5s after disconnection of the supply. We have always performed this test with the power switch in the ON position and would have the unit running then unplug the power cord and take our reading on the oscilloscope. We have never measured any voltages above the HAZARDOUS LIVE limits of 30Vrms, 42.4V peak or 60Vdc. Our new NRTL Engineer has now also requested us to perform this test with the power switch in the OFF position. With the switch in the off position our voltages after 5 seconds are close to line voltage. The NRTL is considering this a failure. However, UL 3101-1 also states in Section 6.10.3 For plugs receiving a charge from an internal capacitor, the measurements of 6.3 are made to establish that the levels of 6.3.1.3 are not exceeded. 6.3.1.3 requires measuring the overall capacitance from the unit. Our NRTL states that there is no method available to measure the overall capacitance of the unit. Has anyone else in the group had any experience with this issue? Does your NRTL require testing with the switch in the OFF position? Do your units fail with the switch in the OFF position? Is it a failure just because the voltage limits are exceeded, or is it only a failure if the current and capacitance limits are exceeded. (Similar to the Permissible Limits Requirements). Have you had any experience with NRTL's not being able to measure the overall capacitance? All responses are greatly appreciated. Regards Joe Martin Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Emissions vs Immunity Survey
Thanks to all who responded to my question on Class A Emissions/Class B Immunity. I would like to do a quantitative analysis of the groups opinion on this issue. The follwoing questions require only yes/no answers. Please do not respond to the group. If you would like the results of this survey, please let me know. Responses from European Bodies are greatly appreciated. EN 61326 has the traditional Class A and Class B limits for radiated and line conducted emissions. EN 61326 has several categories of immunity limits. They are as follows: Minimum immunity Industrial immunity Controlled EM environment immunity Portable test and measurement immunity In Europe, is a Class A environment always industrial? In Europe, is there an environment that is Class A, non-industrial, yet powered by a low voltage network that does not supply power to buildings used for domestic purposes? In Europe, are laboratories located in industrial environments or domestic environments? Is it acceptable to test to Class A limits for emissions and the minimum immunity requirements? Thanks in advance for your responses. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com Does Class A non-industrial environment exist? Can you have Class A emissions with minimum immunity requirements? Does Europe have non-industrial low voltage supplies? Is Class A only for industrial environment? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Final EMC Testing In-House
Group, We are planning to perform final EMC testing in-house for the following tests per EN 61326: EN 61000-4-2 ESD EN 61000-4-4 Line Transients EN 61000-4-5 Surge EN 61000-4-6 Conducted Immunity EN 61000-4-11 Voltage Interruptions EN 61000-3-2 Harmonics EN 61000-3-3 Voltage Fluctuations With the exception of purchasing test equipment that meets the standards, what else is required for us to perform final testing? Please note that we are not planning to perform Radiated Emissions and Radiated Immunity testing. Your help is appreciated Joe Martin Applied Biosystems --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Comb Generators
Group, In your opinion, what is the best comb generator on the market? Why? Thanks Joe Martin --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Lights for 3-meter Chamber
We are setting up a 3-meter chamber to do some pre-compliance measurements. What are the best low emissions lights to purchase for this chamber. Please be specific as to manufacturer and models. Thanks Joe Martin Applied Biosystems --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Site Correlation
We are also in the process of setting up a 3 meter indoor site. Would it not be better to compare a 3 meter site to a 3 meter site vs a 10 meter site and add 10db to your limit line? Joe Martin Neven Pischl npis...@cisco.com@ieee.org on 01/11/2001 08:12:38 AM Please respond to Neven Pischl npis...@cisco.com Sent by: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org To: Tudor, Allen allen_tu...@adc.com, EMC-PCST (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc: Subject: Re: Site Correlation Allen, the main problem you will have is not whether to use signal generator or a comb generator, but the difference in the radiation characteristic of your source for correlation and the DUTs that you will later put in the chamber. You will measure a lots of near-field in you 3m or smaller chamber. The field pattern at 10 m will be very different. Correlation from near-field to far-field obtained with source of one (near-field) radiation characteristics can not be used to predict 10 m radiation of a source with very different (near-field) radiation characteristics. To answer your question directly first, the best would be if you could use a network analyzer or a spectrum analyzer with a tracking generator, so that you can do swept measurement. However, the way you generate your test field will make huge difference to the test results. If you use a certain transmit antenna for your test (correlation), you will get the correlation for that antenna, but not for a DUT that you might want to test (and use the correlation) later. I suggest you take your typical product, physically configure it as in your typical test setup, it may but does not have be powered. Then couple your signal source (whatever you choose to use) to the DUT PCB and wiring (here you have to be a little creative) and do the measurement. Then you can repeat the same at 10 m site. By doing that you will be ale to get correlation for that particular kind of DUT. However, if you obtain your correlation with a DSL modem (e.g. a small box with one power, one DSL, and one UTP cable) on a wooden 80 cm high turntable, you can not use it to predict 10 m radiation of a rack-mount multi-port Ethernet switch or any other DUT that is physically much different. If you do it like that, and run your test a few times, you will soon gain experience (some will be from the obtain correlation and some will be your developed feeling) that you can use to correlate your product measured in your precompliance chamber to 10 m. I suggest you plot your predicted data (obtained from the correlation measurement) versus measured over each other every time you do it (at least for the first 5-10 tests), and it will show you the spread (uncertainty) of your correlation. Hope this will help you, Neven - Original Message - From: Tudor, Allen allen_tu...@adc.com To: EMC-PCST (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 5:58 AM Subject: Site Correlation Greetings: What's the best way to correlate a pre-compliance chamber (smaller than a 3m chamber) to a 10m anechoic chamber? Should I use a signal generator and antenna or should I use a comb generator? Would the answer be different if I were correlating the pre-compliance chamber to an OATS? Thanks in advance. Allen Tudor, Compliance Engineer ADC DSL Systems Inc. 6531 Meridien Dr. Raleigh, NC 27616 phone: 919.875.3382 email: allen_tu...@adc.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
PAT Testing?
Does anyone know what European specifications exist that specify what the earth leakage requirements are for a Portable Appliance Test (PAT)? Also, any assistance on how this test is performed would be helpful. All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin Applied Biosystems --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
EU Coniferous Wood Packaging Requirements
Does anyone have an official document or know where such a document can be obtained that details the European Unions requirement for treatment of coniferous wood packaging materials and includes the required implementation date? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: EN 61000-3-3 Flicker Tests
Bruce, My guess is that your customer is declaring compliance to the EMC Directive under EN 61326 Class A. EN 61326 defines Class A equipment in Section 3.4 as Equipment suitable for use in establishments other than domestic, and those directly connected to a low voltage power supply network which supplies buildings used for domestic purposes. Section 3.7 of EN 61326 defines industrial locations as locations characterized by a separate power network, in most cases supplied from a high or medium voltage transformer, dedicated for the supply of installations feeding manufacturing or similar plants... Section 7.2 specifies that Table 3 gives the limit values for Class A equipment. Table 3 does not include harmonics and Flicker. Section 4 states that ... Emission limits for industrial locations are given in Table 3. Thus, Class A equipment is equipment used in industrial locations supplied by high or medium voltage transformers. EN 61000-3-2 Harmonics Section 1 Scope states this section of IEC 1000-3 is applicable to electrical and electronic equipment...intended to be connected to public low voltage distribution systems. In my opinion, this would not include industrial locations. Regards Joe Martin EMC Consultant bfag...@us.tuv.com@ieee.org on 12/03/2000 03:03:37 PM Please respond to bfag...@us.tuv.com Sent by: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org To: emc-p...@ieee.org cc: Subject: EN 61000-3-3 Flicker Tests Hello group! I've got a customer in our EMC lab that makes a laboratory instrument incorporating heaters with a typical 3-4 amp input current at 230vac. He is failing the flicker test due to the design of the heater control. They are undertaking a redesign but would like to keep selling product in the interim. They have come up with an interesting interpretation of the scope of EN 61000-3-3: the standard specifies that the tests are applicable to products connected to the public low voltage distribution systems but if you take a typical industrial location or even a typical commercial location, isn't it true that these locations are fed by a dedicated transformer at the building that isolates them from the public network? I guess the question becomes - what is considered the public network? What if the marketing of the product was restricted to industrial locations? My initial reaction to the question was that anyplace you can plug or wire into at typical 230vac is considered the public network, especially considering the mixed residential / commercial buildings common in Europe. Anyone care to comment? Bruce Fagley Sr. Specialist, EMC Industrial Products TUV Rheinland 12 Commerce Rd. Newtown CT. 06470 203-426-0888 ext 119 203-426-4009 fax --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Testing as a system for harmonics?
One of our products is sold as a system with several other non-connected products as well as a computer system and printer. We brought this product to a well known EMC Testing facility to perform Harmonics testing. They required that we plugged our product, as well as all of the peripheral devices, into a power strip and they then tested the complete system together for Harmonics. Obviously, it failed. Has anyone else had an EMC Lab make this request of testing the complete system? Is anyone aware of any document that requires system testing for Harmonics? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: EMC/EMI Training
Keith, My two favorite books are Noise Reduction Techniques in Electronic Systems by Henry Ott, and Controlling Radiated Emissions by Design by Michel Mardiguian Regards Joe Martin Product Safety/EMC Engineer Keith Zell zell...@pmifeg.com on 09/15/2000 07:25:31 AM Please respond to Keith Zell zell...@pmifeg.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org cc:(bcc: Joe P Martin/FOS/PEC) Subject: EMC/EMI Training What training classes and/or books would you recommend for the best practical EMI/EMC training from a systems approach? I am particularly interested in grounding/shielding issues and fixes. Any help would be appreciated. B. Keith Zell Electrical Design Engineer PMI Food Equipment Group Troy, OH 45374 (937) 332-3067 (ph) (937) 332-3007 (fax) zell...@pmifeg.com What training classes and/or books would you recommend for the best practical EMI/EMC training from a systems approach? I am particularly interested in grounding/shielding issues and fixes. Any help would be appreciated. B. Keith Zell Electrical Design Engineer PMI Food Equipment Group Troy, OH 45374 (937) 332-3067 (ph) (937) 332-3007 (fax) zell...@pmifeg.com
Near Field Versus Far Field
I am having a difficult time answering the following question for a non-technical person. Hopefully, someone can put the answer into a language that a non-technical person can understand. We have a 400 MHz clock and are failing radiated emissions at 10 meters by 10 dB at 400 MHz. We bring the product back to our lab and start making modifications on the clock circuit and taking measurements with a near field probe. With these modifications and measuring with a near field probe, we realize a 10 dB reduction in emissions at 400 MHz. Why would we not see the same reduction when taking the product back to a 10 meter site? Your help is appreciated. Regards Joe Martin marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Certification for FDA Process
I have seen many seminars available providing various information on the FDA Approval process for Diagnostic Equipment and pharmaceutical approvals. Is anyone aware of a program where an individual can get some type of certification or detailed educational training on these FDA processes? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
UL Acceptance of On-Line Manuals
We are planning to switch over to an on-line system for our User Manuals. Does anyone have any experience with using an on-line system? Does the user have the same access as with paper manuals? What are the downsides of such a system? Has anyone dealt with UL and the European Union on their acceptance of on-line manuals? All information is appreciated. Regards Joe Martin marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Alternatives to Meeting EN 61000-3-3
We manufacture laboratory equipment and have some thermal cyclers that do not meet the limits of EN 61000-3-3. We have unsuccessfully attempted design modifications to meet this requirement. According to 61000-3-3, equipment not meeting the requirements of 61000-3-3 may be subject to installation restrictions. Technical report 61000-3-5 is a guide for these situations. 61000-3-5 requires the calculation of the maximum permissible system impedance and the manufacturer to declare this system impedance. Has anyone used this route in dealing with 61000-3-3? Has anyone used other routes to deal with compliance to 61000-3-3? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com 800-874-9868 x5695 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
EN 61000-3-2/3 Amendments
Amendment prA14 to EN 61000-3-2 clearly states in Section 7 that For the following categories of equipment limits are not specified in this editon of the standard...Professional equipment with a total rated power greater than 1kW. Is anyone aware of a similar exception for professional equipment in EN or IEC 61000-3-3 Flicker? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Global Engineering Change Process
Associates, The following subject is not related to our normal subject matter, however, I am hoping that some of you can provide me with some useful information for establishing a global engineering change order process. Several years ago, we were a small company with all business activities located on one campus. The Engineering Change Order process was a simple one. Now, we have manufacturing facilities all over the world that are supported by engineering services in different locations. We have many joint ventures and collaborations with other companies where they build a product, yet we provide engineering support. I am sure that many of you belong to companies that are in this same situation. How do your companies deal with the Engineering Change process? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Biosystems --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Waste Directive/Lab Equipment
Richard, You can get a copy of the second draft, I think a third draft is almost complete, at the following location www.svtc.org/cleancc/weeedir.htm. Regards Joe Martin wo...@sensormatic.com on 04/04/2000 10:19:42 AM To: Joe P Martin/FOS/PEC@PEC cc: Subject: RE: Waste Directive/Lab Equipment Martin, can you supply with the URL for this document? Thanks. Richard Woods -- From: marti...@pebio.com [SMTP:marti...@pebio.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:54 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Waste Directive/Lab Equipment Annex 1A and 1B of the Second Draft of the Proposal for a Directive on Waste from Electrical and Electronic Equipment specifies categories and examples of equipment that is covered by the Directive. In the section for Medical Equipment Systems it specifies Laboratory equipment for in-vitro diagnostics, yet does not just specify Laboratory Equipment. Why are they so specific to spell out in-vitro diagnostics? Does this imply that they are not concerned about general laboratory equipment? Does anyone know their intent? All responses are appreciated. regards Joe Martin P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Waste Directive/Lab Equipment
Annex 1A and 1B of the Second Draft of the Proposal for a Directive on Waste from Electrical and Electronic Equipment specifies categories and examples of equipment that is covered by the Directive. In the section for Medical Equipment Systems it specifies Laboratory equipment for in-vitro diagnostics, yet does not just specify Laboratory Equipment. Why are they so specific to spell out in-vitro diagnostics? Does this imply that they are not concerned about general laboratory equipment? Does anyone know their intent? All responses are appreciated. regards Joe Martin P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
EMC Labs in Sacramento CA.??
Is anyone aware of any EMC labs in or around Sacramento California? Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
China Packaging/Crating Requirements
Is anyone aware of any requirements in China on wood packaging/ crating materials or special wood treatments required for crates or pallets? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
U.S. Product Liability Laws
Colleagues, Can someone please provide me with the names and standard numbers of Product Liability Laws for the United States. Your help is appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: EN 61326
Lisa The DOW for EN 61326 is July 1, 2001. Regards Joe Martin P.E. Biosystems lisa_cef...@mksinst.com on 01/04/2000 08:59:42 AM Please respond to lisa_cef...@mksinst.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: Joe P Martin/FOS/PEC) Subject: EN 61326 Could someone please clarify the dow for EN 61326? I've heard 1/7/2001 and 7/1/2001. Thank you. Happy New Year! Regards, Lisa - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Spread Spectrum Clocks
Group, Are there any issues with using spread spectrum clocks for products shipping into the European Union?? All responses are appreciated. Regards, Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
IEC 61010-1 2nd Edition
I recently heard that the second edition of IEC 61010-1 was to be released mid 2000. Does this 2nd edition just combine 61010-1 with it's two amendments, or is there new and exciting sections? All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EU Metric Directive
Does anyone have an official update on the Metric Directive 80/181/EEC. The latest information I have is that there was a proposal amending the Directive allowing for a 10 year transition period through December 31, 2009. This proposal was published in the OJ. All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Results of SLIM Recommendations
Is anyone aware of the results of the SLIM III recommendations per the Report of the SLIM III Team on Electromagnetic Compatibility Directive (89/336/EEC as amended) dated 9/98. I had heard that the Commission was going to produce a Communication to the Council of Ministers and the European Parliament earlier this year. I am particularly interested in the CE+CE=CE issue. All responses are appreciated Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Kill Switch Requirements
Is anyone aware of any requirements anywhere in the world stating that a device that is considered a transport mechanism must have a red kill switch or button on the unit. This question came from an associate of mine while talking with potential customers in Scotland. We certify our product to the Low Voltage Directive using EN 61010. I am not familiar with such a requirement for the LVD. Does the Machinery Directive have such a requirement?? Any comments are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Immunity Problems ??
EMC Professionals, We have 42 of the same instruments installed in one laboratory. They are each installed on their own dedicated line. On a regular basis, an instrument will shut down during a run. The instrument that shuts down is different each time. These instruments are laboratory equipment that meet Class A radiated limits of EN 55011 and meet the immunity requirements of EN 50082-1. Any ideas as to the potential cause of the problem and possible ways to resolve the problem would be greatly appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Language labeling requirements
As a manufacturer of laboratory equipment that is designed to meet EN 61010-1 per the LVD, what is our obligation/requirement for providing instrument labeling and support documentation in the languages of the many countries that we ship our products. All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Emissions testing with support equipment
EMC Professionals, Our equipment requires the use of a personal computer to operate. We sell these PC's with our system. We test radiated emissions as a system including the PC. We have recently tested PC's from two very well known PC manufacturers. They have both failed Class B limits. This makes it impossible for our system to pass Class B limits. When we isolate the PC from the test chamber, our instrument passes. I am sure that we are not the only company that has this problem. Can you please provide me with your experiences on this issue and what solution you came up with. All responses are appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Required Margin for EMI?
Scott, Last year, CENELEC attempted to formalize a common practice for measurement uncertainty (prEN50222). It failed. In November 1997, during the CISPR/A meeting a decision was made to issue a new international Committee Draft (CD) on this issue. I have not seen an actual draft number, but from what I have read, the new CD will describe a reasonable measurement of uncertainty of +/- 3dB for conducted and +/- 5.5dB for radiated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Required Margin for EMI? Author: s_doug...@ecrm.com (Scott Douglas) at fcinternet List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:10/26/98 12:50 PM Hello all, When doing EMI scans of ITE, I have always worked with a margin of 2 dB less than the actual limit. No test house I have ever been to will give a meets the requirements... without having this margin. Can anyone point out if this is an actual requirement built into any of the standards, i.e. EN 55022 or FCC Part 15, etc. and if so, where is it in writing? I understand about measurement errors, product to product differences and repeatability of testing issues. Just want to know if the 2dB margin is actually written into law. Thanks for your comments. Scott s_doug...@ecrm.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Indoor vs Outdoor Emissions Testing
I am looking for opinions from group members on the advantages and disadvantages between a 10m anechoic chamber and a 10m OATS. All input is appreciated. Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EN 61000-3-3 Voltage Fluctuations
We are all aware of all of the issues relating to the Harmonics standard EN 61000-3-2. Is anyone aware of any proposed changes or issues with EN 61000-3-3 Voltage Fluctuations? Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EN 61000-3-3 Voltage Fluctuations
We are all aware of all of the issues relating to the Harmonics standard EN 61000-3-2. Is anyone aware of any proposed changes or issues with EN 61000-3-3 Voltage Fluctuations? Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@pebio.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re[2]: Professional Equipment EN 61000-3-2
Dave, I was not aware that the latest version of EN 61000-3-2 1998 excluded professional equipment rated above 1000 Watts. This is a very significant change to the standard. I have been having trouble locating the 1998 version. Could you provide me with a source to purchase this document from? Regards Joe Martin marti...@pebio.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: RE: Professional Equipment EN 61000-3-2 Author: george.da...@unisys.com (George; David L) at fcinternet List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:9/28/98 2:40 PM Doug: The change was an addition of a sentence to the existing definition. It is up to the manufacture to determine if the product is professional or not. You are on your own as far as the scope is concerned. The writers (SC77A/WG1) say it includes everything. When reading the document there are limitation based upon power requirements. Equipment below 50 Watts and professional equipment above 1000 Watts are not covered. But the standard is only mandatory on 1 Jan 2001 except for home use products. Home use product limits are mandatory now because this standard replaces IEC 555-2. Can't send you the electronic format because it is copyrighted. Dave George -- From: POWELL, DOUG [SMTP:do...@ftc2.aei.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 12:01 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Professional Equipment EN 61000-3-2 Hello Group, I would like to expand on this request a little. Does someone have the entire scope and definition sections of the most recent version of this standard (61000-3-2) in electronic format? If possible I would like to review this before buying the document. Doug Powell Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. Fort Collins, Colorado USA -- From: MartinJP To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Professional Equipment EN 61000-3-2 Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 4:12PM Amendment 1 to EN 61000-3-2 includes a new definition of professional equipment. I have the new EN 61000-3-2 1998 on order, yet I need to get this new definition asap. Can someone please provide me with this definition. Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Professional Equipment EN 61000-3-2
Amendment 1 to EN 61000-3-2 includes a new definition of professional equipment. I have the new EN 61000-3-2 1998 on order, yet I need to get this new definition asap. Can someone please provide me with this definition. Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re[2]: Peripherals
In order to meet the requirements of the EMC Directive, it has always been my understanding that the complete system must be tested. This refers to any peripherals that are necessary to operate the EUT and any other peripherals that the manufacturer states are part of the system. The EMC Directive Guidelines is very clear on what is considered a system. Unfortunately, we use a PC from a large well known manufacturer (I will resist the temptation to name them) that has failed Class B radiated emissions by more than 10dB on various models with various monitors. It appears that some manufacturers use their perfect test computers, or ignore the effects of the computer when evaluating their EUT's. I do not believe that this is acceptable. I would love to receive some official documentation that states that this practice is acceptable. Life would be good. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: RE: Peripherals Author: rehel...@mmm.com at INTERNET List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:9/2/98 11:58 AM The last time I asked the FCC for a ruling, I was told that peripherals used for a typical system that were not sold with the EUT but required for the EUT to function could not be modified, covered up, shielded, moved out of the test area, etc. and had to be tested with the EUT. The equipment I had at the time fell under FCC Part 15. What is the ruling/opinions on this subject for Europe? - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators).
EN 55011 Revised
I just read in the Conformity newsletter that the revised edition of EN 55011 has been accepted. Does anybody know what the proposed DOW is? Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com
Re: EN61000-3-2 Harmonics testing 16 amps ITE equipment
Gary, EN 61000-3-2 is not an immunity requirement. It is an emissions requirement. It is not related to EN 50082-1 1997. You will get different opinions as to the required implementation date for products which did not fall under EN 60555 standards. If your product needed to comply with the EN 60555 standards, the date of withdrawal is Jan. 1, 2001. In my opinion, most manufacturers whose products did not fall under EN 60555 are still considering the implementation date to be Jan. 1,2001. Some individuals will say that they believe it is mandatory now. According to the European Community Quarterly Review newsletter, The European Association of Competent Bodies submitted a proposal to the European Commission to withdraw EN 61000-3-2 due to its excessively complex and unnecessarily harsh requirements. This proposal is being considered on behalf of the Commission by CENELEC. If you would like to discuss this subject more, let me know. Best of luck. Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: EN61000-3-2 Harmonics testing 16 amps ITE equipment Author: Gary McInturff gmcintu...@packetengines.com at INTERNET List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:7/2/98 2:45 PM I have conflicting information on the above requirement. It is my impression that this test has begun to be adopted as part of the EN50082-1 1997 with a requirement transition period of 2years. Anybody know the current status? Thanks Gary McInturff Packet Engines
In-Vitro Diagnostics Directive
Does anyone know the current status of the In-Vitro Diagnostics Directive? I have a copy of the draft submitted by the Commission on 19 April 1995. European Community Quarterly Review newsletter had stated that final adoption of the directive is predicted for mid 1998. I have not been able to confirm this date. Any assistance is appreciated. Regards Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com
Re: IEC 1000-3-2, -3
Jody, We currently use a Fluke 41B Harmonics Analyzer to do preliminary harmonics testing. We have found it to be satisfactory for performing preliminary measurements. I was never able to find a reasonable flicker meeting for preliminary testing of voltage fluctuations. Please let me know if you find one through this forum. Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosytems marti...@perkin-elmer.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: IEC 1000-3-2, -3 Author: Jody Leber j...@ltgservices.com at INTERNET List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:3/30/98 12:10 PM To all, I am interested in purchasing a power analyzer and AC source for IEC 1000-3-2, -3 testing. Does anyone have experience (good or bad) with the commercially available units? Please e-mail me privately if you do not wish to publicize your comments. Regards, Jody Leber j...@ltgservices.com http://www.ltgservices.com LTG Services Suite 103 11940 Alpharetta Highway Alpharetta, GA 30201 (770)772-4299 Fax: (770)772-4297
Re: FDA Modernization Program
Michael, Try the FDA website at www.fda.gov Joe Martin marti...@perkin-elmer.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: FDA Modernization Program Author: sitar...@kodak.com at INTERNET List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:3/26/98 12:40 PM From Lotus Notes user: Michael J Sitarski Does anyone know about the FDA Modernization Program regarding Medical Devices? Does it pertain to EMC? Can you direct me to a source of further information? Thank you in advance for your responses.
Re[2]: IEC 825-1
Steven, The United States laser safety standard 21 CFR 1040 is regulated by the FDA/CDRH (Center for Devices and Radiological Health). The CDRH website is www.fda.gov/cdrh/index.html Good luck. Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: RE: IEC 825-1 Author: WOODS, RICHARD wo...@sensormatic.com at INTERNET List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:3/25/98 1:15 PM look in Title 21 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Parts 1002 and 1040. You can find the CFRs on the web at the US Library of Congress. I'm not sure of the address, but you can find it by doing a search on CFR. -- From: Steven Goulding[SMTP:sgould...@cambriansys.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 4:37 PM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: IEC 825-1 Can anyone tell me what the FCC equivalent to the IEC 825-1 standard regarding lasers. Thank you in advance for any of your help Steven Goulding EMC Compliance Specialist Cambrian Systems Corp 555 Legget Drive Kanata, Ontario K2K 2X3 www.cambriansys.com Tel: (613) 599-6060 Ext. 2672 Fax: (613) 591-2035 E-mail: sgould...@cambriansys.com where BANDWIDTH means business
CE Marking in Canada???
One of our suppliers has told us that they are allowed to ship products into Canada using the CE mark in-lieu of the normal approval marks such as CSA, cUL, etc. Does anyone have any information on this? Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com
Diagnostic Requirements
To All, What domestic and international product safety and EMC requirements would laboratory equipment used for diagnostic applications fall under? This equipment may be located in a hospital, yet it would not be patient connected or in the same room as a patient. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com
Re: China contact
Andy, Try the CCEE (China Commission for Conformity Certification of Electrical Equipment) Telephone # +86(10)68336219 Fax# +86(10)68360907 Good luck Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: China contact Author: White, Andy an...@roverpost.dundee.ncr.com at INTERNET List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:1/21/98 9:38 AM I am looking for a contact name, tel number, e-mail, web for EMC certification/regulations in China. Can anyone help? thanks in advance Andy White Senior EMC Engineer NCR FSG Scotland
Re: FW: Fwd:EN61326 relative to ISM and ITE
Moshe, We currently test all of our new products to EN 61326-1 Class B. The radiated emission limits, as well as line conducted limits, are the same for Class B equipment as defined in EN 55011. The DOW is July 1, 2001. If you plan to be selling your product past July 1, 2001, it may be best to comply with this standard now. Please note that EN 61326-1 also includes harmonics EN 61000-3-2 and voltage fluctuations EN 61000-3-3 for Class B equipment. Of course, there is a lot of controversy on the required implementation dates for harmonics and flicker as stand alone documents. In addition to the current immunity requirements for EN 50082-1 (1992), EN 61326-1 also includes Surge 61000-4-5, Conducted RF 61000-4-6 and Voltage Interruptions 61000-4-11. You could comply with the existing EN 55011 and EN 50082-1 now, however, EN 50082-1 has also been revised to include -5, -6, -8 when applicable, and -11. The DOW for these revisions is currently set at July 1, 2001. Of course, there is controversy regarding the change from EN 50082-1 to EN 61000-6-1 (new immunity standard). The DOW's are conflicting. Of course, there is controversy over the controversy of the controversy. Feel free to write me if you have any additional questions. Regards Joe Martin marti...@perkin-elmer.com. ***These opinions are mine alone* ___ Subject: FW: Fwd:EN61326 relative to ISM and ITE From:mvald...@netvision.net.il at INTERNET List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:12/11/97 5:16 PM Sorry for repeating myself, it seems my first message was lost Hello everyone, Does anyone have experience with testing to the new EMC standard for lab equipment. Are radiated emissions different from ISM and ITE standards? When does it come into force? Would you recommend choosing this standard over others if I have the option? thanks moshe valdman - Name: moshe valdman E-mail: mvald...@netvision.net.il Phone: 052-941200 Telefax: 03-5496369 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 11/12/97 Time: 17:16:20 You are most welcome to visit my homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/5233/ -
Re: CE Demo Units f.u.
One more comment, What is the intent of the EMC Directive? If every manufacturer who shipped products to the EU had a couple of non-compliant demo units running,(that's a lot of products), by their own employees, at a customer test site in the EU, with signs all over the place would we be effecting EMC in the EU??? The recently revised EMC Directive Guidelines states under section 3.1 Placing of an apparatus on the market The placing of an apparatus on the market does not concern:...-the display of the apparatus at trade fairs and exhibitions. It may not be in full conformity with the provisions of the EMC Directive, but this fact must be clearly advertised next to the apparatus being exhibited.--Does this mean running our potentially non-compliant products at customer test sites is acceptable??? It furthur states under 3.2 Taking an apparatus into service An apparatus covered by the EMC Directive is put into service when it is first used.--Does this only refer to the end user? Can some official source from the EU comment on this subject. Thanks Joe Martin marti...@perkin-elmer.com *The famous disclaimer** The comments above are mine and mine alone. ___ Subject: CE Demo Units f.u. From:DouglasScott sdoug...@ecrm.com at INTERNET List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:9/23/97 1:37 PM Hi To All, Thank you to all who responded to my request. The most thorough response = was from tinb...@aol.com. The answer for me was - yes, we can demo it even at the customer site. = That system must be operated by our employees under all conditions. It mus= t be labeled with a notice that it is not compliant and cannot be sold = until it is made compliant. There is no time limit on demo / display = systems as long as they are not operated by anuyone but our own = employees. Once the customer begins to operate the system, it becomes placed on the = market and must be compliant before that can happen. It matters not how = the customer acquires the system, whether for money or not, on = consignment or loan or money back guarantee. Thanks again to you all. Regards, Scott Douglas Principal Compliance Engineer ECRM Incorporated Telephone: 1-508-851-0207 Facsimilie: 1-508-851-7016 e-mail: sdoug...@ecrm.com
Product Safety Engineer Job Opportunity
To all, P.E. Applied Biosystems located in the San Francisco Bay area has an immediate opening for a Product Safety/EMC/Regulatory Compliance Engineer. This individual will be responsible for reviewing designs to help our products comply with safety and EMC regulations. This individual will also conduct inspections and audits, work closely with regulatory agencies, and document and analyze compliance data. The ideal candidate will have a BSEE or equivalent and a knowledge of UL, CSA, IEC and EMC requirements. Good communication and computer skills are required. Please inform all of your qualified associates of this job opening. Send resumes and/or questions to: Joe Martin P.E. Applied Biosystems 850 Lincoln Centre Dr. Foster City, CA. 94404 (415) 638-5695 marti...@perkin-elmer.com
