Re: [eug-lug]CD Burning via IDE/ATAPI
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 02:07:15PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: According to the 2.6.x kernels, using ide-scsi isn't the way to go anymore when burning discs. I've compiled my kernel so the burner is in IDE/ATAPI mode, but can't seem to burn images like I used to be able to. I can detect my drive ok[1]. But can't record to it for some reason[2]. cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus 0,1,0 1) '_NEC' 'NR-7900A' '1.23' Removable CD-ROM cdrecord -dev=ATAPI speed=16 -v -audio -dao *.wav cdrecord: Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder. have you tried dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 or dev=/dev/hdx ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]stream limits? or algorithm help
On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 12:07:29AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: #!/bin/sh TEMPDIR=`mktemp -d` while read addr junk do dom=`echo $addr | cut -d '@' -f 2` echo $addr OK $TEMPDIR/$dom done MYDIR=`pwd` cd $TEMPDIR for i in * do sort $i echo $i REJECT done cd $MYDIR rm -rf $TEMPDIR exit 0 Very good! (-: Thanks :) May I suggest one small improvement? Set up a trap handler to delete the temp dir. That way it'll be cleaned up even if the script is interrupted (e.g., you pipe the output through less and quit before reaching the end). #!/bin/sh TEMPDIR=`mktemp -d` trap 'rm -rf $TEMPDIR' EXIT # ... rest of script ... Thanks for the pointer. I was actually just looking at such trap handlers in the XFree86 build scripts. Also, this part: MYDIR=`pwd` cd $TEMPDIR for i in * do sort $i echo $i REJECT done cd $MYDIR rm -rf $TEMPDIR could be replaced with: for i in $TEMPDIR/* do sort $i echo `basename $i` REJECT done -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]freebsd mv symlink moves linked dir?!
On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:44:22AM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote:
$ ls -l pub
lrwxrwxrwx1 cory cory7 Mar 18 21:31 burn - ../burn
so, pub/burn ends up pointing to burn, which does not exist, correct?
It continues to point to ../burn in this case.
pub/../burn or pub/../../burn ? It looks like it points to pub/../burn
to me (which doesn't exist), unless linux translates relative links.
What's most odd to me is that both scenarios end up with a symlink to
nothing. Perhaps the lesson is to not mv a symlink because it's behaviour
is undefined ... or at least varies by implementation.
Only in these scenarios because the symlink is relative. If the symlink was
absolute, it would have remained valid in both scenarios.
True, but that was not the example.
Why would it be
undefined? The freebsd symlink(7) page says symlinks are files that act as
pointers to other files.
Well, it is now pointing to nothing, rather than a file.
What's wrong with moving a file from one place to
another?
That's pretty general, I can think of lots of situations where it's not
good to move a file, but staying with the discussion, it's because moving
relative symlinks creates confusion.
The oddity to me is the subtle difference between mv burn pub and mv burn/
pub on freebsd produces quite different results, whereas there is no
distinction on either linux or solaris.
Well, 'something' and 'something/' are different on BSD.
symlink(7) on OpenBSD says:
If it is explicitly intended that the command operate on the symbolic
link instead of following the symbolic link -- e.g., it is desired that
``chown owner slink'' change the ownership of ``slink'', not of what it
points to -- the -h option should be used. In the above example, ``chown
owner slink'' would change the owner of ``afile'' to ``owner'', while
``chown -h owner slink'' would change the ownership of ``slink''.
This is good, having a mandatory option to act in a different manner.
There are several exceptions to this rule. The mv(1) and rm(1) commands
do not follow symbolic links named as arguments, but respectively attempt
to rename and delete them.
This is the crux. It is wrong in the case of 'burn/'. The above paragraphed
is nearly verbatim what the freebsd symlink(7) man page says. I'm curious what
openbsd's behavior is in this scenario. Please try it:
cd /tmp ; mkdir a b a/c ; cd a ; ln -s ../b; mv b/ c; ls -l c
On linux/solaris this shows me a link:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 cory staff 4 Mar 20 00:38 b - ../b
On freebsd this shows me a directory:
drwxr-xr-x 2 cory wheel 512 Mar 20 00:45 b/
On OpenBSD the same as FreeBSD. 's#mv b/ c#mv b c#' and it's the same
as Linux. something != something/
The behaviour of you example is like on Linux.
I'm not sure what this means.
That example behaved the same on OpenBSD as it did for Linux.
I have not been able to reproduce the freebsd
results on linux or solaris.
The difference is that in the case of symlinks pointing to directories
('something' as an example), 'something/' points to the directory
rooted in 'something' on BSD, and 'something/' is the same pointer
as 'something' on SysV. On both systems, 'something' has the same
meaning.
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Re: [eug-lug]stream limits? or algorithm help
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:15:02AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote:
This seems like a task that is simple in Python or Perl, but less
simple as a shell script.
#!/usr/bin/env python
import fileinput
users = {}
for line in fileinput.input():
addr = line.strip()
domain = addr.split('@')[-1]
users.setdefault(domain, []).append(addr)
domains = users.keys()
domains.sort()# Sort domains so successive
# versions of this file can be
# diff'ed.
for domain in domains:
u = users[domain]
u.sort()# Sort users for the same reason.
for user in u:
print user, 'OK'
print domain, 'REJECT'
#!/bin/sh
TEMPDIR=`mktemp -d`
while read addr junk
do
dom=`echo $addr | cut -d '@' -f 2`
echo $addr OK $TEMPDIR/$dom
done
MYDIR=`pwd`
cd $TEMPDIR
for i in *
do
sort $i
echo $i REJECT
done
cd $MYDIR
rm -rf $TEMPDIR
exit 0
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Re: [eug-lug]combining shell streams
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 08:07:24PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 03:13:09PM -0800, Jason wrote:
I am an awk user by habit and would usually do an:
$ awk -F: '{print $1}' /etc/passwd
for this, but cut saves some typing and seems more
logical for these cases where you don't need to do
selective (regex) printing.
What you typed is about the limit of my awk knowledge. Cut has the annoying
condition that delimeters are one character. So if there is some input:
happy.comOK
test.com REJECT
$ cut -f 2 -d \-- space after \
Will print a space, specifically the 2nd space after the com on each column.
$ awk '{print $2}'
will print the OK and REJECT column.
Well, the default delimiter for cut is a tab. Cut can also select
byte or character lists. So if your example always has the OK/REJECT
column at character 14, then `cut -c 14-` would work for you. If all
your characters are one byte, `cut -c 14` would work also.
I think cut was originally written to be able select entries out
of databases, which usually use a well defined delimiter or position,
not just any sequence of white space.
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Re: [eug-lug]freebsd mv symlink moves linked dir?!
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:16:59PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: Over a solaris nfs, in freebsd I told it to mv a symlink to another directory. However the linked directory was moved into the target dir instead of the symlink. What's up with that?! Hm, client$ uname OpenBSD client$ mount -t nfs ... server:/home/shared on /home/shared type nfs ... client$ ssh server server$ uname OpenBSD server$ cd /home/shared server$ ln -s stuff stuff-link server$ exit client$ mv /home/shared/stuff-link /home/shared/stuff-link2 client$ ls -ld /home/shared/* ... lrwxr-xr-x 1 someone somegroup 4 Mar 19 10:20 /home/shared/stuff-link2 - stuff ... Or were you doing something more complex, like moving a symlink across a filesystem? From local to nfs? Is that because I was over nfs, or is it because of freebsd mv? If it was purely across nfs, then it's probably in the way solaris handled the command from the freebsd client. Linux mv moves symlinks, although I'm not sure about nfs. did you try moving a symlink on a local FreeBSD filesystem? what about across local filesystems? Why do you assume it's something with the freebsd mv, and not even consider solaris's nfs? Did you try the exact same thing from a linux or solaris client? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]freebsd mv symlink moves linked dir?!
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 05:37:37PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: Here I figured out more specifics. linux client/solaris nfs: $ ls -l lrwxrwxrwx1 cory cory7 Mar 18 21:31 burn - ../burn drwxr-xr-x3 cory cory 512 Mar 19 2004 pub $ ls -ld ../burn drwxr-sr-x8 cory cory 512 Mar 19 2004 ../burn $ mv burn pub $ ls -l drwxr-xr-x3 cory cory 512 Mar 19 2004 pub $ ls -l pub lrwxrwxrwx1 cory cory7 Mar 18 21:31 burn - ../burn so, pub/burn ends up pointing to burn, which does not exist, correct? However on freebsd if I type mv burn/ pub it moves the target directory, not the symlink: $ ls -ld ../burn drwxr-sr-x 8 cory 10 512 Mar 19 17:21 ../burn/ $ ls -l lrwxrwxrwx 1 cory 10 7 Mar 19 17:22 burn@ - ../burn drwxr-xr-x 3 cory cory 512 Mar 19 17:30 pub/ $ mv burn/ pub $ ll lrwxrwxrwx 1 cory 10 7 Mar 19 17:22 burn@ - ../burn drwxr-xr-x 4 cory cory 512 Mar 19 17:30 pub/ $ ls -ld ../burn ls: ../burn: No such file or directory so burn (the directory) moved to pub/? What's most odd to me is that both scenarios end up with a symlink to nothing. Perhaps the lesson is to not mv a symlink because it's behaviour is undefined ... or at least varies by implementation. symlink(7) on OpenBSD says: If it is explicitly intended that the command operate on the symbolic link instead of following the symbolic link -- e.g., it is desired that ``chown owner slink'' change the ownership of ``slink'', not of what it points to -- the -h option should be used. In the above example, ``chown owner slink'' would change the owner of ``afile'' to ``owner'', while ``chown -h owner slink'' would change the ownership of ``slink''. There are several exceptions to this rule. The mv(1) and rm(1) commands do not follow symbolic links named as arguments, but respectively attempt to rename and delete them. (Note that if the symbolic link references a file via a relative path, moving it to another directory may very well cause it to stop working, since the path may no longer be correct.) The behaviour of you example is like on Linux. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Question: video email
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 12:04:07PM -0800, Ken Barber wrote: I suppose that my friend will make a small pile of money. I doubt that he'll make significant money over the long term, but I always seem to underestimate people's capacity for stupidity. Maybe, as he predicts, next year there really will be a million people paying $5 a month for the ability to send video emails. Whatever. I'd just like to hear everyone else's take on this. Well, people still pay for M$ products, because they think there is no alternative. Goes for a lot of things atually, people paying for what they can have for free. As far as RFCs on video email, there seem to be lots in the works, but I don't see too many implementations of these RFCs. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]data munging
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 12:24:29PM -0800, john fleming wrote: So data munging just means, AFAIK, manipulating data in a quick and dirty way. What's AFAIK stand for? As Far As I Know. There's a program called 'wtf' ... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]TV input cards
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:48:42AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: A third is video capture. Capture the current TV show to a disk file. In this scenario, audio is needed, A/V quality is important, and A/V sync is important. A TiVo or another DIRECTV receiver is the source. Once I find a decent card at a decent price, I'll probably buy more than one. I still recommend checking the archives for mjpegtools. Maybe once you narrow down your choices, check the archives for the chipset IDs. I doubt anyone knows more about the cards than the people writing software for them. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug] [deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org: Re: Comments on amd64 motherboards]
In case someone was looking at getting new hardware ... - Forwarded message from Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Comments on amd64 motherboards In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:54:44 EST. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:47:33 -0700 From: Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.00 required=0.90 On Wednesday 25 February 2004 02:02 pm, STeve Andre' wrote: My wife is getting a new computer and it makes sense to get an amd64. My question is, what are the reasonable motherboards to look at? Looking at Tom's hardware site, the MSI Neo K8T seems a reasonable choice. Intel has just announced their clone of AMD64. I don't know how long it will take for Intels x86-64 systems to hit the market, but you might want to investigate that a little bit. Or, let us give a bit of credit to a vendor who not only operated fairly open regarding specifications, and who donated hardware to the various projects to get things happening. Certainly, noone from Intel or HP has ever given us any cpu hardware for us to code against. And I don't expect that to change. So how about buying from the good guy this time around. - End forwarded message - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]TV input cards
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:00:15AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: I would like to start playing around with a TV input card for Linux. I'm having trouble finding concrete information on cards that work well, so I'm asking here. What TV input cards are you using, and where did you get them? You might want to check out the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]combing stdout stderr for tee
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 08:25:05AM +, horst wrote: 'superScript | tee logFile' would be a good candidate to capture stdout, but it doesn't capture stderr. 'superScript | tee logFile' ? I don't know tcsh, but the OpenBSD csh manpage says: The standard error output may be directed through a pipe with the stan- dard output. Simply use the form `|' instead of just `|'. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]combing stdout stderr for tee
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 04:55:40PM +, horst wrote: Actually I did a bit of rtfm, but didn't find anything searching for 'stderr', 'standard\ error' , 'combine' but to be fair the man pages say: Control structures should be parsed rather than being recog- nized as built-in commands. This would allow control com- mands to be placed anywhere, to be combined with `|', and to be used with `' and `;' metasyntax ((which I interpreted as the background...)) Diagnostic output may be directed through a pipe with the standard output. Simply use the form `|' rather than just `|'. IMO, it's just another example of OBSD's great documentation. The second quote is almost exactly like in the OBSD manpage, except the OBSD manpage is a bit clearer: 'Diagnostic' - 'Standard error'. What does 'diagnostic' mean? Standard error is well defined. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]How to find out about sf mirrors
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 11:13:42PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: I don't know about trojaned... I get this when unpacking it: ...blah-dee-blah... some files in contrib/ gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated tar: Unexpected EOF in archive tar: Unexpected EOF in archive tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now I use the 'v' option, zxvf, for verbose (with tar); was your tgz complete? (Doing this on rh9, and retrieved it with wget. The first line of error here is the same a gotten if gzip is used, of course.) It unpacked for me, but it said: tar: End of archive volume 1 reached Of course, BSD tar is different than GNU tar. Maybe a transfer error or something? The file I got from your link was 6795608 bytes, and was dated Oct 9 12:56, but failed at espgs-7.07.1/contrib/gsj/drivers/jpdf-0.2.1/japan1.pdf ; ) which was only 243200 bytes, and 'file' on it returned: PDF document, version 1.2 I find it strange that this file was complete from the apparently broken tarball... The japan1.pdf I have from a known good archive is 572595 bytes. The same file is in contrib/gsj/drivers/jpdf-0.2.1 and contrib/gsj/examples. I think most 'file' implementations only look at the first few bytes of the file. More generally, I've noticed plain old failure of some of the sf mirrors recently. Yes. The strange things are that the file sizes are the same, but contain different files (like maybe the bad archive was padded?). Also, the only changed file was the pdf, and there have been vulnerabilitites in pdf parsers recently. Maybe I'm just too paranoid :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]How to find out about sf mirrors
I'm pretty sure I found a trojaned package on http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/ The file is /espgs/espgs-7.07.1-source.tar.gz How do I contact someone at belnet.dl.sourceforge.net ? I tried to find info on the sf site about mirrors, but I couldn't find any. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]How to find out about sf mirrors
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 02:52:56PM -0801, Jacob Meuser wrote: I'm pretty sure I found a trojaned package on http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/ The file is /espgs/espgs-7.07.1-source.tar.gz How do I contact someone at belnet.dl.sourceforge.net ? I tried to find info on the sf site about mirrors, but I couldn't find any. Well, it appears to be part of belnet.net, but I don't speak Dutch or French. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]How to find out about sf mirrors
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 02:52:56PM -0801, Jacob Meuser wrote: I'm pretty sure I found a trojaned package on http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/ The file is /espgs/espgs-7.07.1-source.tar.gz Actually, it looks like several sf.net mirrors have an incorrect version of this file. funk:~/tmp% ftp http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/espgs/espgs-7.07.1-source.tar.gz Trying 193.190.198.97... Requesting http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/espgs/espgs-7.07.1-source.tar.gz 100% |**| 6636 KB01:45 Successfully retrieved file. funk:~/tmp% ls -l espgs-7.07.1-source.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 jakemsr jakemsr 6795608 Feb 18 14:06 espgs-7.07.1-source.tar.gz funk:~/tmp% ls -l /usr/ports/distfiles/gs/espgs-7.07.1-source.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 jakemsr jakemsr 6795608 Jan 26 13:37 /usr/ports/distfiles/gs/espgs-7.07.1-source.tar.gz funk:~/tmp% mkdir -p espgs/belnet funk:~/tmp% mkdir -p espgs/mine funk:~/tmp% cd espgs/belnet funk:~/tmp/espgs/belnet% tar zxf ../../espgs-7.07.1-source.tar.gz tar: End of archive volume 1 reached funk:~/tmp/espgs/belnet% ls espgs-7.07.1 funk:~/tmp/espgs/belnet% cd espgs-7.07.1 funk:~/tmp/espgs/belnet/espgs-7.07.1% ls contrib funk:~/tmp/espgs/belnet/espgs-7.07.1% cd ../../mine funk:~/tmp/espgs/mine% tar zxf /usr/ports/distfiles/gs/espgs-7.07.1-source.tar.gz funk:~/tmp/espgs/mine% ls espgs-7.07.1 funk:~/tmp/espgs/mine% cd espgs-7.07.1 funk:~/tmp/espgs/mine/espgs-7.07.1% ls CHANGESdebian lib INSTALLdepcompman LICENSEdocmissing Makefile.inexamples mkinstalldirs README ghostscript-cups.list.in pcl3 README.espgs ghostscript.list.inpstoraster autogen.sh ghostscript.spec src configure icclib toolbin configure.ac ijs contribinstall-sh funk:~/tmp/espgs/mine/espgs-7.07.1% cd ../../ funk:~/tmp/espgs% diff -ur belnet mine | grep -v ^Only Binary files belnet/espgs-7.07.1/contrib/gsj/drivers/jpdf-0.2.1/japan1.pdf and mine/espgs-7.07.1/contrib/gsj/drivers/jpdf-0.2.1/japan1.pdf differ funk:~/tmp/espgs% ls -l belnet/espgs-7.07.1/contrib/gsj/drivers/jpdf-0.2.1/japan1.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 jakemsr jakemsr 264430 Jul 20 2002 belnet/espgs-7.07.1/contrib/gsj/drivers/jpdf-0.2.1/japan1.pdf funk:~/tmp/espgs% ls -l mine/espgs-7.07.1/contrib/gsj/drivers/jpdf-0.2.1/japan1.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 jakemsr jakemsr 572595 Jul 20 2002 mine/espgs-7.07.1/contrib/gsj/drivers/jpdf-0.2.1/japan1.pdf funk:~/tmp/espgs% -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]How to find out about sf mirrors
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 04:45:45PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: I'm pretty sure I found a trojaned package on http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/ The file is /espgs/espgs-7.07.1-source.tar.gz How do I contact someone at belnet.dl.sourceforge.net ? I tried to find info on the sf site about mirrors, but I couldn't find any. Start with [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, I have sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and CCd it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It will be interesting, to me atleast, to see what becomes of it. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]How to find out about sf mirrors
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 06:23:44PM -0801, Jacob Meuser wrote: Thanks, I have sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and CCd it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounced, as did [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] went through though. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]How to find out about sf mirrors
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 06:23:44PM -0801, Jacob Meuser wrote: It will be interesting, to me atleast, to see what becomes of it. I know it's lame to keep replying to your own posts, but it looks like something is going on at sf. SourceForge.net is currently in read-only mode. Logins to SourceForge.net are currently disabled. Does anyone here have a sf account? Any reason given for the read-only, nologin status? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]How to find out about sf mirrors
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: I know it's lame to keep replying to your own posts, but it looks like something is going on at sf. But being lame never stopped me before ;/ Does anyone here have a sf account? Any reason given for the read-only, nologin status? Oh, duh, This downtime is for LDAP maintenance. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]How to find out about sf mirrors
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 07:18:43PM -0800, Darren Hayes wrote: I don't know if it's related but /. has been down all day. 503 Service Unavailable Yeah, I noticed that too. What I find most interesting, is that I haven't gotten any responses about the incorrect archive, not even from the general mailing list at linuxprinting.org, and I know the ESP gs developers read that list. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]EUGLUG FreeBSD users?
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 01:36:55PM -0800, Jason Van Cleve wrote: Quoth Jacob Meuser, on Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:33:14 -0800: On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 10:16:56AM -0800, Jason wrote: Happy Friday all: Does anyone have any personal opinions on using FreeBSD as a primary OS? Or, any thoughts on using OpenBSD vs. FreeBSD? I am most interested in things from a desktop perspective, though any thoughts are appreciated. As for performance, I saw some benchmarks not long ago in which FreeBSD really stood out. It was sort of FreeBSD and Linux2.6 in a tie for the lead. OpenBSD didn't do so well. You're probably referring to http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/. Those were mostly networking related benchmarks. The issues both with speed of execution by OpenBSD and the benchmark tests themselves have been dealt with. OpenBSD should score much better on those tests now, and fefe did agree to rerun the tests, but alas, no updates. OpenBSD-current, which will be 3.5 around June 1st, implements CARP [http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=carp] and pfsync [http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=pfsync]. If that's not scalability, I don't know what is. Oh, and you can put your boot sector beyond the 1024th cylinder too. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Re: Naive BSD question
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 04:54:28PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote:
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 08:45:52PM -0801, Jacob Meuser wrote:
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 11:20:03PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote:
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 08:07:01PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe all the BSDs use the Fast File System* (ffs). But that
shouldn't be a problem for want you want to do - at least not from
the BSD side of things. You just need to specify what Type of file
system /home is in your /etc/fstab file. I'd be very surprised if
Linux couldn't mount a FFS partition. see mount(8) and mount_ext2fs(8)
in your version of BSD.
FFS is the old name for UFS (the Unix File System), which is the current
standard for at least freebsd and solaris.
Um, no.
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Filesystems-HOWTO-9.html#ufs
That's funny, my Freebsd system formated the drive as UFS, not FFS.
Apparently 5.x supports UFS2 in addition to the older UFS1. No mention
of FFS.
From The Complete FreeBSD, 4th edition Greg Lehey (c) 2003, p190:
UFS is the UNIX File System. All [FreeBSD] native disk file systems
are of this type. Since FreeBSD 5.0 you have a choice of two different
versions, UFS 1 and UFS 2. (UFS 2 supports 1TB.)
A foot note: Paradoxically, although BSD may not be called UNIX, its
file system is called the UNIX File System. The UNIX System Group, the
developers of UNIX System V.4, adopted UFS as the standard file
system for System V and gave it this name. Previously it was called the
Berkeley Fast File System, or ffs.
But SysV is not BSD.
Jacob, I find it amusing that you are quoting [old] linux sources and I, BSD
sources. Our roles are reversed for once. ;)
Yeah, I found that odd also :)
But, there is also using the sources, on OpenBSD-current
/usr/src/sys/ufs/{ext2fs,ffs,lfs,mfs,ufs}
and on FreeBSD 4.9
/usr/src/sys/ufs/{ffs,mfs,ufs}
which makes me think FFS is based on UFS. So, yes it's UFS, with some
additions.
And the softdep stuff is under ufs/ffs, which would lead me to believe
that that is the currently used system.
This goes with what is said at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Fast_File_System
As well, http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/jeroen/faq.html#UFS-DIFF-FFS
(discusses UFS2 differences also)
If The Linux Documentation Project has [old] documentation currently
available their website ...
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Re: [eug-lug]help w/ weird mouse configuration
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 09:28:25AM -0800, Hal Pomeranz wrote: I dual-boot RH7.3 on my laptop to do my SANS talks. I have a really nice RF wireless presentation mouse with a USB interface. The only problem is that XFree86 apparently only lets me have a single mouse device-- thus I can use either the wireless mouse or the laptop's internal trackpoint (PS/2 interface), but not both at the same time (even more galling, I note that booting my Windows partition allows me to use both devices simultaneously). quick google for Linux mouse multiplex suggests using gpm -M. I forgot how to use gpm with X though. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Slackware install on Averatec Laptop...
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 05:18:36PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote:
Doesn't that use a via c3 chipset? As I understand it, most modern binaries
will not run on the via c3, since it lacks MMX, 3DNow, and SSE extensions.
I actually gathered some info on processor capabilities a few weeks ago
by looking at dmesg'd posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is what I have
for VIA C3:
VIA C3 Samuel 1 (CentaurHauls 686-class) 652 MHz
FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MCE,MTRR,PGE,MMX,3DNOW
VIA C3 Samuel 2 (CentaurHauls 686-class) 533 MHz
FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,MMX,3DNOW
VIA C3 Ezra (CentaurHauls 686-class) 665 MHz
FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,MMX,3DNOW
VIA C3 (CentaurHauls 686-class) 1 GHz
FPU,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,MMX,FXSR,SIMD
Yes, they are oddballs. They claim to be 686's, but some lack CMOV
None have SSE, but SSE is much newer than Intel's early 686s.
I believe it's the lack of CMOV on older models is what causes 686
optimized binaries to not work.
OpenBSD supports the crypto functions of these CPUs:
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:48:27 -0700 (MST)
From: Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Modified files:
lib/libssl/src/crypto/engine: hw_cryptodev.c
Log message:
If on an i386, detect existance of the VIA C3 xcrypt-* using sysctl of
the machdep.xcrypt node. If they exist, use the xcrypt-cbc instruction
to accelerate aes-{128,192,256}-cbc, for more than 100x performance
increase. This code has no effect on any cpu... Tested thus far using
openssl speed command, and of course, ssh. 778MB/sec AES-128-CBC
performance at 8192 byte block size.
Maybe they'd be better used as vpn endpoints rather than movie players ...
or maybe a new video codec based on AES ...
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Re: [eug-lug]Naive BSD question
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 03:13:36PM -0800, Patrick R. Wade wrote: The most utterly hosed filesystem i have ever had the misfortune to be afflicted with, came to me courtesy of softupdates. The enormous files with the immutable flag set, the files with negative timestamps, the files with names from the content of other files, the files with content based on the names of other files; i shudder still to think of it. I don't think it gave me files with slashes in the filenames, but i would not have been surprised if it had. Was this recently? No ; in 2001, on BSD/OS. There is a rather long thread in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives, starting with http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-miscm=98630968715532 about the stability of soft updates. It ends with Grigory Orlov stating that softdep in 2.9 (June 2001) would be stable. Grigory added dirpref. I haven't heard anyone complain about softdep since then. Also, most of the googling I've done about soft updates points to the spring/summer of 2001 as being a busy time for FFS development. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]euglug.org ranked # 40 in Google for linux training window
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 08:26:37PM -0800, Jason wrote: Well, at least the spammers are getting somewhat creative. Or not. I think she really wants to swap links. Very possible she is using some kind of script-email_form, tho. Who knows tho ... maybe she paid some half-reformed spammer to actually run the script and send emails. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Naive BSD question
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 08:46:39PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 07:43:58PM -0801, Jacob Meuser wrote: Yes, that's what he meant. Now what would be cool is a journaled file system for bsd. Any one out there? Perhaps when bsd supports xfs, reiser or ext3. Probably won't ever happen. UFS/FFS has been around for ages. Many BSD'ers take comfort in that. Look at the FFS in FreeBSD 5.x for state-of-the-art BSD filesystems. There's already a form of journaling present in BSD. It's not quite the same as the stuff used by the Linux offerings, but it does log the changes to assist when you need to fsck. I'm sketchy on details. Softdep makes fsck _very_ reliable, thus the ability to do background fsck (use the FS in the meantime). That's not the same as using a journalling fs, tho ... it's still FFS. IMHO, Linux suports journalling FSs because ext2 was not so reliable after crashes. FFS has been reliable for quite a while. IMHO, BSDers don't feel the need to implement a new fs. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]lrint()
Why does the following:
#include stdlib.h
#include stdio.h
#include math.h
int main()
{
long int a;
a = lrint(2.1314);
printf(a = %li\n, a);
exit(0);
}
when compiled with:
gcc -Wall -lm -o lrint lrint.c
always complain:
lrint.c: In function `main':
lrint.c:9: warning: implicit declaration of function `lrint'
?
Works fine though.
Also, what's the difference between lrint() and (long)rint()? I mean,
why even have lrint? Faster because it's integer only?
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Re: [eug-lug]lrint()
On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 12:00:12PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: Why does the following: [...] when compiled with: gcc -Wall -lm -o lrint lrint.c always complain: lrint.c: In function `main': lrint.c:9: warning: implicit declaration of function `lrint' ? Works fine though. lrint() is part of the C99 standard. If you add -std=c99 or -std=gnu99 to your compile line, the warning won't happen. It works fine because the function is in libc whether or not the compiler saw the declaration, so the linker works normally. Once upon a time (circa 1975-1980), common C practice was to declare practically nothing, and let the compiler and linker figure everything out. Prior to ANSI C, there were no function prototypes, for example. Also, what's the difference between lrint() and (long)rint()? I mean, why even have lrint? Faster because it's integer only? Take a look at bits/mathinline.h. If you can get the compiler flags right, you can compile lrint() into a single instruction, fistpl. That would seem to be faster than the two-or-more instruction sequence of rounding the double, then converting to int. This compiler invocation will generate the fistpl instruction on my compiler (gcc 3.2.3 gentoo), though it's far from fully optimized. gcc -o lrint -Wall -std=gnu99 lrint.c -O -lm C is truly portable assembler. Thanks, Bob. I was looking into it because transcode uses lrint, but it is not in *BSD. Now I know how to handle it for *BSD, and make it a little better on Linux :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Naive BSD question
On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 03:16:16PM -0800, Patrick R. Wade wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 11:49:33PM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: Softdep makes fsck _very_ reliable, The most utterly hosed filesystem i have ever had the misfortune to be afflicted with, came to me courtesy of softupdates. The enormous files with the immutable flag set, the files with negative timestamps, the files with names from the content of other files, the files with content based on the names of other files; i shudder still to think of it. I don't think it gave me files with slashes in the filenames, but i would not have been surprised if it had. Was this recently? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Naive BSD question
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 11:16:36PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 06:56:40PM -0800, Robert M. Solovay wrote: Larry, I'm guessing you meant to say that you can mount the UFS filesystem from Linux. Is this right? Yes, that's what he meant. Now what would be cool is a journaled file system for bsd. Any one out there? Perhaps when bsd supports xfs, reiser or ext3. Probably won't ever happen. UFS/FFS has been around for ages. Many BSD'ers take comfort in that. Look at the FFS in FreeBSD 5.x for state-of-the-art BSD filesystems. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]OpenDarwin x86
So, I installed ${subject} 6.6.2 last night.
Interesing points:
X doesn't need a config file
remote logins drop you from the wheel group
installs a fairly large system, X, gcc, perl, python, ruby, OpenSSL,
OpenSSH, emacs, vi, sudo, tcpdump, etc, etc
could mount openstep UFS slices in Linux
no virtual terminal switching
couldn't kill X; ctl-alt-bksp put machine in suspend mode
(didn't try to kill remotely, tho)
couldn't get network configurations to stick across reboot
(I followed the FAQ)
framebuffer is dog slow
(froze the system using PgUp while reading man pages)
supports more hardware than officially listed ... try it out ;)
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Re: [eug-lug]Re: Naive BSD question
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:59:35PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now what would be cool is a journaled file system for bsd. Any one out there? Perhaps when bsd supports xfs, reiser or ext3. I think soft dependences is basically BSD's answer to journaling. Well, not really, it's part of it. Most people like the fact that a journalled FS doesn't need to be fsck'd after unclean shutdown. I think softdeps just keep the metadata from getting munged. The background fsck for softdep in FreeBSD 5 allows for quick recovery. http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/archives/000212.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Re: Naive BSD question
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 11:20:03PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 08:07:01PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe all the BSDs use the Fast File System* (ffs). But that shouldn't be a problem for want you want to do - at least not from the BSD side of things. You just need to specify what Type of file system /home is in your /etc/fstab file. I'd be very surprised if Linux couldn't mount a FFS partition. see mount(8) and mount_ext2fs(8) in your version of BSD. FFS is the old name for UFS (the Unix File System), which is the current standard for at least freebsd and solaris. Um, no. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Filesystems-HOWTO-9.html#ufs -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]disable remote login for root?
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 06:46:01AM +, horst wrote: It sure works (-: Ryan, Jason and Garl -- thanks for instant response. Ja, it's odd: the installation came with #PermitRootLogin yes which made me think the default is no. So there is no difference if you comment, or un-comment the Red Hat provided settings, hhm - whatever... I also saw other interesting stuff in /etc/ssh/sshd_config (-: The OpenSSH team decided to make all commented out options show the default values. The options are all explained in sshd_config(5). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Re: EUGLUG FreeBSD users?
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 11:26:12AM -0800, Jason wrote: --- Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Jason, if you like OpenBSD, but want more hardware support for your desktop needs, why not try out NetBSD? I'm not too awfully worried about hardware, since I'll be using pretty standard gear (laptop actually). Yeah, but, for example, XFree86 works fine for me on OpenBSD, but it doesn't have DRI support. I am most interested in software maintainability. I've always liked ports, which is why I've been considering Gentoo as well. I'm becoming less a fan of maintaining currency via binary packages, and the way I tend to organize and set up my systems, building from source tends to be easier and quicker even factoring in build times. Well, I'm becoming more of a fan of maintaining currency via binary packages, at least on OpenBSD. The base set snapshots actually have code that's not in CVS. Even though there's no official way to automatically update ports, with a little scripting, it's not that hard. I can binary update my OpenBSD systems (base, XFree86 and ~100 packages) in less time than it takes to build qt3, even on a relatively quick system. But sometimes, yeah I do like to just build everything, which is why I mentioned the problems I encountered with FreeBSD's ports. Granted, if I had run 'make build install' as root, I wouldn't have had those problems, but I don't think it's reasonable to build a bunch of third party software as root. Especially when there is supposed to be a mechanism to make that possible. I have never had such problems with OpenBSD's ports (and I like the idea of using sudo instead of su anyway ... too bad the other BSD's don't include sudo by default). Plus, just about everything (if not all) I need will run on FreeBSD, so I figured I might give it a shot on my next work pc. There are hundreds of unofficial OpenBSD ports floating around the net ... Generally speaking, getting something running on OpenBSD isn't all that difficult, and usually getting it to work points out bugs in the build process/software anyway. So, if I may ask, why exactly are you looking into something other than OpenBSD? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]EUGLUG FreeBSD users?
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 10:16:56AM -0800, Jason wrote: Happy Friday all: Are there many FreeBSD users on the list? I had experience with FreeBSD many moons ago, and have pretty much only dealt whith Open on the BSD side of things for the last 3 or 4 years (and OS X for the last year or so). Having read through the recent BSD vs. Linux or BSD for Linux Users rant at: http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php there are several things that have reminded me about how nice FreeBSD is to use. Does anyone have any personal opinions on using FreeBSD as a primary OS? Or, any thoughts on using OpenBSD vs. FreeBSD? I am most interested in things from a desktop perspective, though any thoughts are appreciated. I have been using OpenBSD as my primary OS for a couple years. In the last week or so I've installed Net and Free BSD (concurrently) on my Tecra 8000. I think FreeBSD offers more features for a desktop. For example FreeBSD has ALSA sound drivers, and more hardware drivers in general. But I found it a little more difficult to configure X and my PCMCIA card doesn't work as smoothly under Free as it does under Net or Open. I think FreeBSD is more difficult to maintain than Net or Open ... more abstract configuration, doesn't have a manpage every driver, etc. FreeBSD is more open to using GPL sources, if that's of any consequence to you. I haven't had a good initial reaction to FreeBSD's ports. It seems there is a mechanism to call su to install the software, but it doesn't always get called before the port tries to install, and make dies. Very annoying, since I've never even see that on OpenBSD. Of course FreeBSD has more ports. Personally, I think if I really need some feature that's not in Open or Net, then I'd probably just use Linux, since it has even more desktop features and even more software ready to run. That being said, I still use OpenBSD as my primary OS, even for desktops. Heck, I even have transcode and mjpegtools running on my OpenBSD machines. I just don't want to give up the basic simplicity of OpenBSD administration. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Re: EUGLUG FreeBSD users?
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 01:25:46PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using NetBSD for about 3 years, mostly on Sparc. It's been by primary desktop (sparc 5, 170MHz) for about the last 18 months and for the most part I'm pretty content with it. By sticking with lightweight apps (both command-line and GUI) I've found I can get by just fine with what is obviously pretty slow hardware by today's standards. I forgot to give my impressions of NetBSD earlier. I like it. It supports more hardware than OpenBSD. For example, my toshiba IR controller is supported. It's not much more complicated to maintain than OpenBSD, for example, the IR and my pcmcia ethernet card just worked, and I was able to roll my own install CD, although it wouldn't boot right because the installer takes two floppies or a 2.88MB image, which my laptop won't boot for any OS. I guess I could have booted a floppy and a CD, but that's another issue ;/ It took me a little while to figure out pkgsrc (/usr/pkg, seemingly not much documentation?). Jason, if you like OpenBSD, but want more hardware support for your desktop needs, why not try out NetBSD? Oh, does anyone here run NetBSD-current? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]CD R/RW
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 09:08:58PM -0800, John C. Van Gelder wrote: Some of the CD done on the XP machine were drag and drop some were burned with Roxio easy CD creator, when I am in windows both of the CD drives seem to work OK. The drag/drop disks, as Mr. O mentioned, probably have UDF filesystems. Regular CDs have ISO9660 filesystems. How are you trying to mount the CD? I have had some problems with some of the XP drag/drop discs working in anything but the CD R/RW drive, when I am in windows. Some CD drives have trouble with certain CD media. Have you noticed that some brands of CD-R/W media work always and others not? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Can't load kernel modules. Why?
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 11:22:49PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: Don't know if it helps, but shouldn't you use 'nm' to see symbols? Yes, and I did. Does $ nm /usr/src/linux/vmlinux | grep kernel_flag_cacheline look right? jogger-egg ~ nm /usr/src/linux/vmlinux | grep kernel_flag_cacheline c03eede0 R __kstrtab_kernel_flag_cacheline c03fe3c8 R __ksymtab_kernel_flag_cacheline c0101e00 D kernel_flag_cacheline Probably not the case, but all my 'D' symbols are in c03xx. Do you have other (properly exported) global symbols in data c01xx? Maybe kernel_flag_cacheline is really defined in another module that needs to be loaded first? No, but it's used by a zillion modules. $ cd /lib/modules/2.4.22-gentoo-r2 $ for i in `find . -name \*.o`; do nm $i | grep kernel_flag_cacheline; done jogger-egg modules/2.4.22-gentoo-r2 find * -name \*.o | xargs nm -o | grep kernel_flag_cacheline kernel/drivers/char/lp.o: U kernel_flag_cacheline_Rsmp_eb36899a kernel/drivers/char/agp/agpgart.o: U kernel_flag_cacheline_Rsmp_eb36899a kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.o: U kernel_flag_cacheline_Rsmp_eb36899a kernel/drivers/hotplug/cpqphp.o: U kernel_flag_cacheline_Rsmp_eb36899a kernel/drivers/hotplug/ibmphp.o: U kernel_flag_cacheline_Rsmp_eb36899a kernel/drivers/ide/ide-tape.o: U kernel_flag_cacheline_Rsmp_eb36899a I'm guessing this is probably an SMP or LVM specific symbol, since I don't have that symbol, and I don't have SMP or LVM. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]unbelievable sound
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 12:07:02PM -0800, Mr O wrote: Recently I've upgraded to 2.6 with ALSA. Let me just say, my sound just ROCKS. The comparison between the performance on OSS and ALSA is astonishing. Just for google's sake, I'm using a SoundBlaster Audigy Platinum EX with the digital output working on the breakout box too!! WOW, why wasn't I using ALSA long ago? ALSA rocks. It's pretty much the only reason I use Linux instead of solely OpenBSD. And without ALSA, there'd be no JACK. Apparently there was an article about using Linux in a magazine called something like Digital Musician that gave Linux mad props for a cleanly designed and very well implemented sound system. Where does ALSA mixer store it's settings? PCM likes to be muted on startup which isn't helpful. Ususally /etc/asound.state. Read the manpage for alsactl. Also check to see if there is an /etc/init.d/alsasound, and if it's being called from /etc/runlevels/default or whatever. You're using gentoo, right? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Can't load kernel modules. Why?
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 03:38:28PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: I'm trying to upgrade to a 2.4.22 kernel. It boots, but it can't load most modules. I get errors like this. # insmod lvm-mod Using /lib/modules/2.4.22-gentoo-r2/kernel/drivers/md/lvm-mod.o /lib/modules/2.4.22-gentoo-r2/kernel/drivers/md/lvm-mod.o: unresolved symbol kernel_flag_cacheline kernel_flag_cacheline is clearly an exported symbol -- I can see it in i386_ksyms.c and in the output of strings /usr/src/linux/vmlinux. (Actually, I see the versioned symbol kernel_flag_cacheline_Rsmp_eb36899a.) I built the kernel and the modules from the same sources and config options. What am I doing wrong? How can I get this kernel to load modules? Thanks... Don't know if it helps, but shouldn't you use 'nm' to see symbols? Does $ nm /usr/src/linux/vmlinux | grep kernel_flag_cacheline look right? Maybe kernel_flag_cacheline is really defined in another module that needs to be loaded first? $ cd /lib/modules/2.4.22-gentoo-r2 $ for i in `find . -name \*.o`; do nm $i | grep kernel_flag_cacheline; done -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]chmod syntax
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 08:55:59AM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:01:14 -0800 Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 03:19:53PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: | Ah yes, sudo is a Good Thing, although be wary of allowing sudo su, | for if you are trying to limit your normal users' actions, and get a log | of what they sudo, you'll only ever see that they became root, at which | point they have untrackable control. | | That's only the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. Don't forget that | such seemingly harmless programs as 'less' and 'more' can execute | commands, like !sh. Are you talking about control-Z suspend or something else? Something else, I'm talking about pagers executing commands. Try it: $ touch /tmp/tmp $ sudo less /tmp/tmp password: (when less starts type !shenter without the s) # whoami root # exit !done (press RETURN) (back in less type q) $ | The only really effective way to limit what users can do with sudo is | explicitly list, with full pathnames and making sure there's no way for | the user to modify, which programs and possibly with which arguments | they are allowed to sudo. | | If they run 'sudo su', that action will be logged, not only in the | sudo log, but also the security/login logs. The best way to stop | that kind of behaviour is by policy, making 'sudo su' grounds for | termination. That's not going to help when an attacker gets ahold of someone's password, then you're mostly SOL, But when is that not the case? If the admin is using 'su', then the admin knows and is typing root's password. You could also only allow authentication through keys to lessen the chance of a stolen password. If sudo su is undesirable, I would say that the most effective ways to block that action, is as you say, allowing only a specific list of path/executables available for sudo'ing -- or just don't use sudo. Without sudo, you might take advantage of a chrooted environment, or a usermode linux (UML)... or something similar. Other ideas, anyone? Usually sudo is used by admins to do system administration, in which case, these options aren't feasible. There are many, many options for security. I like to use group permissions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]chmod syntax
On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 03:19:53PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: Ah yes, sudo is a Good Thing, although be wary of allowing sudo su, for if you are trying to limit your normal users' actions, and get a log of what they sudo, you'll only ever see that they became root, at which point they have untrackable control. That's only the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. Don't forget that such seemingly harmless programs as 'less' and 'more' can execute commands, like !sh. The only really effective way to limit what users can do with sudo is explicitly list, with full pathnames and making sure there's no way for the user to modify, which programs and possibly with which arguments they are allowed to sudo. If they run 'sudo su', that action will be logged, not only in the sudo log, but also the security/login logs. The best way to stop that kind of behaviour is by policy, making 'sudo su' grounds for termination. The sudo-users mailing list archive http://www.sudo.ws/pipermail/sudo-users/, is full of sudo gotchas and solutions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]chmod syntax
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 12:52:55PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: 'chmod -R o+r targetdir' should work, but you might want to be wary about proceeding to muck with your OS... heh heh. So, are you particularly worried about the lost+found directory? I think it is a place for OS recovery of lost files or inodes... maybe someone can confirm that? Yes, there should be one in every partition (at least for ext[23], don't have one until needed for OpenBSD's ffs). BTW, you can also 'chown -R me:me targetdir' where me:me is the user:group of your normal user... I believe the permissions on the lost+found directory are such because there could be such things as copies of keys or passwd files in there. I wouldn't change them. I'd use sudo. The sudo program allows users to run commands as other users. For example, you could read the files in lost+found as root. Setting up and using sudo can be a little confusing at times, but if you decide to install it (which I and others on the list have suggested to people in the past), read sudo(8) and sudoers(5), and ask questions to the list :) ciao and happy NYE, swizzle | As root (using Konsole Super User) I tried chmod +r+w+x lost+found but no | success. I also tried other variations but no success. # chmod ugo+rwx /whatever -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Re: Fedora
On Mon, Dec 22, 2003 at 11:06:11PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: Does Fedora Core Yarrow use the 2.6 kernel? If so, it might be the switch from OSS to ALSA. I'm struggling with that myself after I gave 2.6.0 a shot. I have my sound card compiled as modules and loaded but don't have sound. I've yet to tweak the mixer. According to ALSA docs, All mixer channels are muted by default. You must use a native or OSS mixer program to unmute appropriate channels (for example a mixer from the alsa-utils package). Once you have the mixer levels set to your preference, you can use 'alsactl store' to save the settings (do it as root). Then you can use 'alsactl restore' to set the mixer to those levels. This is probably done by your distro's alsasound init file ... store on shutdown and restore on boot. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Sound Blaster Question......
On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 07:16:23AM -0500, Nyal wrote: Greetings all, I'm new to Linux, currently using Mandrake 9.2 and I have a question about a soundblaster card that's in this box I just bought. I'm trying to get it to work but so far no luckMandrake recognizes the card and has snd-emu10k1 (EMU10K1) as the driver The snd-emu10k1 ALSA driver is for SBLive!, SB PCI512, and Audigy cards. I'm assuming you have one of those. For future reference, it's best to provide exact details, especially as there are a lot of cards generically called 'soundblaster' ;) I've played with AuMix and KMix but no luck.looked at the Soundblaster website but no luck (or drivers) there. Try using 'alsamixer' in a terminal, or 'alsamixergui' in X. These are the native mixers for ALSA. I believe all the levels are turned down and/or muted by default. You may have to set a certain switch, like analog/digital as well. I don't think KMix or AuMix will show you all the possible mixer options that the driver gives you. The motherboard I've got (ASUS K7M) has Onboard AC'97 audio that I can use if the SB card is a no-go. As Ken said, disable this in the BIOS if possible. Am I missing something or is Creative just Linux Unfriendly? Apparently you didn't find http://opensource.creative.com/ :) But, you should probably stick with ALSA. I'm using the snd-emu10k1 driver on an Audigy. ALSA is the native sound system in Linux 2.6.0. I'd like to get sound up and running so's I could listen to CDs (or 'net Radio) while I browse the www. Check out http://www.alsa-project.org/ Any help is mucho appreciated and look for other newbie questions from me in the future! Cheers! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Sound Blaster Question......
On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 04:14:52PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
Windows tries hard to hide this from you, but you basically have two sound
cards. One of them is analog, the other is digital. All of your analog
connections on the card go through your AC97 chip. Your analog speakers
also run through the AC97. The AC97 has an aux output that goes to the
EMU10k1 (or 10k2 for Audigy) chip. This card controls digital speakers
and has the effects processor and whatnot. It handles wavetable (only
matters with ALSA, OSS drivers don't support this function) if you're
using the card as a MIDI synth, PCM sound (playing wav or mp3 files), etc.
It also controls the {Live,Audigy}Drive, if you have one of those.
The reason why this matters is that, the emu10k1 also routes back into the
AC97 chip via its PCM input. This means it's possible to create feedback
loops and the like when fiddling with the various mixer settings, etc.
Also, what you hear out of analog speakers may not match what you hear out
of digital ones. Doing it this way means it's a little less flexible than
it could/should be, but it allowed Creative to use an off-the-shelf AC97
chip and save some green.
To configure this beast, you want alsamixer. And you want to hit the
emu10k1 ALSA wiki page, though you'll have to google for that since I do
not remember where it is now. alsamixer has LOTS of settings, and most of
them you will be able to change there, but should not. Their values make
no sense anyway, they're actually switches and things you'd set with
another program. The wiki page will have details.
You're missing a lot of somethings, mostly in that the driver is far more
complex than you bargained for because, although ALSA tries to simplify
the setup a little bit, its mixer ends up complicating things. The OSS
drivers can do more (eg, use the effects processor), but you have to
control all of the emu10k1 functions with seperate programs that use
neither OSS nor ALSA control mechanisms. In OSS at least, the OSS mixer
controls are tied to the card's AC97 controls, so unless you have digital
speakers or so you're probably good to go.
Well, I can control PCM routing with alsamixer for my Audigy ... sort
of (the control is there, but it doesn't seem to work ... I don't have
digital speakers anyway). I just switched the card to analog output with
alsamixer.
Anyway, most sound apps are being built for ALSA. Also, JACK is built
for ALSA.
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[eug-lug]SCons / python question
I'm trying to make an ebuild for Cheesetracker www.reduz.com.ar/cheesetronic Anyway, it uses SCons, scons.org, instead of autotools. SCons is a python based build engine. The problem I have, is SCons apparently tries to bytecompile itself when it's used, which causes access voilations in the ebuild system. For example: unlink:/usr/lib/scons/SCons/Platform/posix.pyc open_wr: /usr/lib/scons/SCons/Platform/posix.pyc unlink:/usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/default.pyc open_wr: /usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/default.pyc unlink:/usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/gcc.pyc open_wr: /usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/gcc.pyc unlink:/usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/cc.pyc open_wr: /usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/cc.pyc unlink:/usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/g++.pyc open_wr: /usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/g++.pyc unlink:/usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/c++.pyc open_wr: /usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/c++.pyc unlink:/usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/gnulink.pyc open_wr: /usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/gnulink.pyc So, does anyone know a way of disabling bytecompiling in SCons, whether in SCons directly, or in python in general? I looked on python.org, and found a PEP to add PYTHONBYTECODEBASE as an environment variable, but couldn't tell if this was added or not (grepping python sources on gentoo didn't find that string). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]SCons / python question
On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 06:08:13PM -0800, Larry Price wrote: The python interpreter tries to generate .pyc and .pyo files whenever a program is run Whenever as in every time, or only once? to get it all taken care of you should cd into the SCons installation directory and run the command python setup.py install as a user that has privileges to write to the installation directories, this will bytecompile all the files you need... Hmmm ... the .pyc files seem to be there already. SCons was installed with a Gentoo supplied ebuild. I figure it should have been installed properly. And I don't see a setup.py file. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]SCons / python question
On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 07:12:31PM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 06:08:13PM -0800, Larry Price wrote: The python interpreter tries to generate .pyc and .pyo files whenever a program is run Whenever as in every time, or only once? to get it all taken care of you should cd into the SCons installation directory and run the command python setup.py install as a user that has privileges to write to the installation directories, this will bytecompile all the files you need... Hmmm ... the .pyc files seem to be there already. SCons was installed with a Gentoo supplied ebuild. I figure it should have been installed properly. And I don't see a setup.py file. Well, it seems to be working now. I untarred the cheesetracker sources and then ran 'sudo scons .'. It must have bytecompiled whatever was missing(?). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]SCons / python question
On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 08:58:46PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 06:08:13PM -0800, Larry Price wrote: The python interpreter tries to generate .pyc and .pyo files whenever a program is run Whenever as in every time, or only once? Just once. Python probably has a heuristic about checking that the .pyc file exists and is newer than the .py file, then loads it instead of creating it. Yeah, probably something like that. So is Cheesetracker any good? I don't know, I just got it installed and then made dinner :) I've never used SoundTracker before ... I've never used any sound editing/creating software except on Linux and even then not much. Mostly just trying to understand how the programs work at this point. So far, I like hydrogen, hydrogen.sourceforge.net, and rezound, rezound.sourceforge.net, as far as intuitive (to me, at least) UIs go. ardour, ardour.sourceforge.net, seems to be what the more advanced sound creators gravitate toward, but I haven't really figured it out yet. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]another crack
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[eug-lug]new pf technology
- Forwarded message from Ryan Thomas McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:11:31 -0700 (MST) From: Ryan Thomas McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: src X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.00 required=0.90 CVSROOT:/cvs Module name:src Changes by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003/12/15 00:11:31 Modified files: sbin/ifconfig : ifconfig.c sbin/pfctl : parse.y pf_print_state.c pfctl.c pfctl_parser.c pfctl_parser.h sys/net: if_pfsync.c if_pfsync.h pf.c pf_ioctl.c pfvar.h sys/netinet: in.h in_proto.c usr.bin/netstat: inet.c main.c netstat.h usr.sbin/authpf: authpf.c usr.sbin/tcpdump: interface.h print-ip.c print-pfsync.c Log message: Add initial support for pf state synchronization over the network. Implemented as an in-kernel multicast IP protocol. Turn it on like this: # ifconfig pfsync0 up syncif fxp0 There is not yet any authentication on this protocol, so the syncif must be on a trusted network. ie, a crossover cable between the two firewalls. NOTABLE CHANGES: - A new index based on a unique (creatorid, stateid) tuple has been added to the state tree. - Updates now appear on the pfsync(4) interface; multiple updates may be compressed into a single update. - Applications which use bpf on pfsync(4) will need modification; packets on pfsync no longer contains regular pf_state structs, but pfsync_state structs which contain no pointers. Much more to come. ok deraadt@ - End forwarded message - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]newbie-ish question
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 10:29:18PM +, john marten wrote: We have had a range if ip addy's(xxx.xxx.xxx.xx) we've used forever. Now our office is moving and our ISP says we will now be getting our #'s from them (dhcp?) and that we don't need to do anything and that everything will work just fine. I'm pretty sure he's right about the Win pcs and the obsd firewall (packetfiltering bridge). but what about the obsd server that runs our web and email services? In resolve.conf it lists: search ourdomain.com lookup file bind nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xx nameserver ###.###.###.## Our nameservers will remain the same but our new addressing scheme is something like 10.0.0.# Is there something he doesn't know about that I will probably have to change? Or is he right and everything will just plug and play? thoughts, comments, experiences? Regards, j As long as the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf are pointing at the right nameservers, you should be OK. If you do have a local net, are the web and email services for the local network, or for the internet? Do you have your own local network with IPs 10.0.0.*, or is your ISP giving your boxes those addresses? If your ISP is assingining you IP addreses AND doing your DNS, then it's all their responsibility, and you just need /etc/resolv.conf to point to their nameservers. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]whack: jack and phlack (sound and security projects)
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 09:39:41PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: Fun projects I found over dinner: 1. http://jackit.sourceforge.net/ what is jack? JACK is a low-latency audio server, written for POSIX conformant operating systems such as GNU/Linux and Apple's OS X. It can connect a number of different applications to an audio device, as well as allowing them to share audio between themselves. Its clients can run in their own processes (ie. as normal applications), or can they can run within the JACK server (ie. as a plugin). JACK was designed from the ground up for professional audio work, and its design focuses on two key areas: synchronous execution of all clients, and low latency operation. check out http://jackit.sourceforge.net/apps/ applications that use jack JACK is cool. If you use JACK, I highly recommend subscribing to the Planet CCRMA mailing list. JACK development is happening quickly, and keeping JACK apps in sync with JACK, and keeping JACK in sync with ALSA, takes some effort to stay current and keep your audio system stable. There's also now an xmms-jack plugin, so you can apply effects to internet radio and record/mix it in realtime, if something like that interests you :) If there are Linux audio program that don't use JACK within the next 6-8 months, they're probably better off dead. (And if there are audio programs that don't use ALSA natively in the next three months, they're _really_ better off dead, as ALSA will be the default audio system in Linux 2.6.0.) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]whack: jack and phlack (sound and security projects)
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 06:07:39AM +, Bob Crandell wrote: And I guess if you haven't used it yet, you don't know Jack. Sorry. I'll leave now. Actually, the site asks, Do you know JACK? http://jackit.sourceforge.net/docs/faq.php#a6 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Useful resource for newbies and non-technical people
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 01:31:03PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Cory Petkovsek wrote: e.g. Programs for CD burning with GUI Windows: Nero, Roxio Easy CD Creator, ... Linux: 1) K3b. (KDE) 2) XCDRoast. 3) KOnCd. 4) Eclipt Roaster. 5) Gnome Toaster. 6) CD Bake Oven. 7) KreateCD. 8) SimpleCDR-X. 9) GCombust. 10) WebCDWriter. (CD burn server, usable from any remote browser with Java support) 11) CDR Toaster. 12) Arson. 13) CD-Me (Creation of audio-CD). That's a problem too. Who, aside from us geeks, wants to try THIRTEEN different CD burning programs and see which ones (a) are installed, (b) can be installed, Most of this would be distro specific and simplified by an icon in a WM tray or what have you. (c) run, (d) don't crash, (e) make CDs that work Well, distributors probably shouldn't redistribute bad software, and could have a default meta package, like 'apt-get gui-cd-burner'. and (d) are most usable? That's probably why there are so many choices ;) That particular itch has been scratched too much. The skin is all gone, and we're scratching into the bloody muscle tissue. I worked on a gui cd burner for a while that isn't even on thta list. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Miserable Failure
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:40:52PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:01:54PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: For a good time... 1. Go to Google. http://www.google.com/ 2. Enter two words: miserable failure 3. Click I'm Feeling Lucky Sorry if you've already seen it... Those words to not appear on the page nor in the source. Google says they cannot change their database records and ranking system. This is not cool. What's not cool about majority opinion ... especially of those who understand how to exploit information finding software for fun? I'm glad that nutch.org is well under development. I don't see how this would change things, unless they decide not to use linking from relevant sites as a factor of relevance, which is, IMO, why google is so useful. There are some ethics questions around making certain exceptions for certain people. The Bush IT staff could make their own 'miserable failure' come out on top. It's a fair game. Dirty, but fair. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]char-major-116
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 10:31:58PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: That must have been it. The error hasn't happened since I added it to my modules.conf. Thanks Rob Hudson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In my /lib/modules/modprobe.conf file I have: alias char-major-116 snd I never understood fully but is this a character device related to sound? I think char-major-116 in linux means 'anything sound related', anything with device major # 116. $ ls -l /dev/snd total 0 crw---1 root audio116, 0 Dec 31 1969 controlC0 crw---1 root audio116, 4 Dec 31 1969 hwC0D0 crw---1 root audio116, 8 Dec 31 1969 midiC0D0 crw---1 root audio116, 9 Dec 31 1969 midiC0D1 crw---1 root audio116, 10 Dec 31 1969 midiC0D2 crw---1 root audio116, 11 Dec 31 1969 midiC0D3 crw---1 root audio116, 24 Dec 31 1969 pcmC0D0c crw---1 root audio116, 16 Dec 31 1969 pcmC0D0p crw---1 root audio116, 25 Dec 31 1969 pcmC0D1c crw---1 root audio116, 26 Dec 31 1969 pcmC0D2c crw---1 root audio116, 19 Dec 31 1969 pcmC0D3p crw---1 root audio116, 1 Dec 31 1969 seq crw---1 root audio116, 33 Dec 31 1969 timer snd is the main ALSA module. Maybe you are using KDE and aRTS is starting, or you're starting gnome and esound starts? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:50:16PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: Actually, I went ~x86 in order to try and solve that problem. It had mixed results (solved some, created others..) I mostly stopped updating anything that didn't need to be updated to fix a problem or security hole. I think the better thing to do is copy the masked ebuilds that you want to PORTDIR_OVERLAY and unmask them there, instead of global unmasking. I've noticed that some masked ebuilds rely on library versions of other packages that don't even have masked ebuilds, as well as libraries that have API changes that are not accounted for in masked ebuilds for packages that use those libraries. Obviously, that makes things _very_ unstable. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM Woes
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:53:55AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: I'm not getting warm fuzzies about the proliferation of package managers that TDFKAR (The Distribution Formerly Known As RedHat) is using. Package management and version synchronization is hard enough without introducing three different package managers all with slightly different semantics and slightly different sets of packages available. Aren't they all just frontends to rpm? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]a simple ftp server (for internal use)
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:13:29AM +, Wayne Scace wrote: Hi Gang, Wayne K9DI es Leader Dog Patriot. I'm attempting to install OpenBSD 3.4 on my laptop and have had good success up to the point where it wants to install sets. At that point, things go rapidly south. There's trouble with name resolution so I cannot ftp the sets from outside my lan. For this problem, you pobably didn't set the network info correctly. You can break out of the installer to a root shell by hitting Ctl-C at just about any time. When you get to the point where you have name resolution problems, do a Ctl-C and then check that `cat /etc/resolv.conf` looks right. It should be something like: nameserver 192.168.1.88 lookup file bind If it doesn't look right, simply: # echo nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\nlookup file bind /etc/resolv.conf (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP address of a nameserver) also check to see that you have routing correct while in the shell: # route -n show -inet The route(8) manpage for OpenBSD is on the web at http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=routesektion=8 You can restart the install by typing 'install' at the prompt, and it _should_ use the info you just changed. I dl'd and burned an iso of the sets, but when I try to use it I get the dreaded The directory foo does not exist. This has caught me a few times also. The easiest thing to do is setup a directory structure on the ISO like on the ftp site, ie 3.4/ i386/ bsd bsd.rd base34.tgz ... Mount your CD and make sure the directory layout is like that. If it doesn't look like that, show me what it does look like, and I'll let you know how to make it work. What I'm considering is setting up an ftp server on my workstation where the files are and trying to snag 'em over the lan. So the main question is: how hard is it to setup a small ftp server (temporarily) so I can finish the OpenBSD install? Unless you really want to learn how to run an ftp server, it's probably not worth the effort. Eventually, I'd like to replace IPCOP on the router/firewall with OpenBSD. Good luck, and let me know how it goes :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:34:44PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: The thing is, the PC ecosystem is broad, deep and complex. There are five vendors competing for every niche in it, from CPU to video card to case to the little screws that hold the PCI cards in. The Mac ecosystem is single source from top to bottom, exactly three products at any time, cleverly positioned so that only the top product has all the useful features. When Apple screws up -- ships a faulty/unreliable product, can't meet demand, or misses a development schedule, Mac users have no alternative. PC users just buy another brand. One is rain forest, the other is parking lot. The other thing is, the Mac has a closed, proprietary software architecture. Just like Windows. More so, in fact, since Apple owns it from the apps to the chips. The PC, especially with Linux or *BSD, is infinitely diverse. You always have choices, including the choice to rewrite it your way. (That's why we're FOSS zealots, after all.) Not exactly part of the Mac ecosystem, but there is http://pegasosppc.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:35:06PM -0500, Linux Rocks ! wrote: On Saturday 15 November 2003 08:14 am, T. Joseph Carter wrote: : 2. The need to not need to fix something every time I have a paper, :project, midterm, or other high-stress school thing pending in order to :complete that thing. (OOo and, under Gentoo, ghostscript were common :culprits, though portions of Gnome were also a factor..) Yeah, whoever maintains ghostscript in gentoo wasn't paying attention to what was happening in CUPS. However, I give them credit for using ESP ghostscript, which supports more than either AFPL or regular GNU ghostscript. : 3. Sick and tired of hardware with half-assed support. ACPI-only notebook :that couldn't be suspended in Linux safely, poor battery life because :the speed controls didn't work, four button touchpad which only worked :as two button because there was no driver, softmodems, PCI database, :printer drivers which required annoying long command lines to print at :more than 300 DPI and took 10-15 minutes to print a six page document, :etc. Well.. I can agree with this one, If hardware manufacturers didnt only write drivers for windows, this wouldnt be much of a problem. The trick to this is buy hardware that has either been around long enough for linux drivers to exist. Or use hardware from manufacturers that want their hardware to be supported by Linux. In the printer realm, that would be Epson and HP. You don't have to type out long commands to get varying print quality with CUPS + gimp-print. You just have to set up different print queues for your printer, which you can do with lpr[ng] also, and has been the standard way to print at varying qualities on UNIX since BSD lpr. Hell, you can even graphically set up different print filters in KDE! Sorry, but griping about printing under Linux, IMHO, only shows that you didn't do your homework, either when buying the printer or when setting up your printing system. : 7. Price for all of that for me as a student was $1649. NO IA32 notebook :at the time could match the feature set at that price. It's still :nearly impossible to get IA32 notebooks with the featureset integrated :(mainly the DVD-R), but it is now at least possible on $2500-3000 :models. really dell will give you a dvd-r free on any of their notebooks... you can get them with most any notebook manufacturer that uses removable bay's in thier laptops... you can even put a spare battery in that slot if you prefer! Sony actuallly has a DVD-R/CD-RW/standalone mp3 player personal multimedia device that's the size of a Walkman that plugs into USB. I can't find it on sony.com, but I have a flier for it that came with a DVD+/-RW I just got. : 9. Warranty for 3 years (that was extra, but I didn't have to buy it at :the same time I bought the notebook...) do some reading on the net, there are a lot of unhappy mac buyers, many are diehard mac users that have gotten crappy hardware, and worse support. with the mac, your pretty much stuck with mac support too... Nearest I can tell, mac support and the quality of mac hardware went down the tubes a year or more ago... which is a real shame, as that was where they really shined. That, and they are obvious cohorts with Adobe. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]ecommerce experiences sought
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:49:45AM -0800, Larry Price wrote: Has anybody on this list had to deal with authorize.net from a unix environment? Yes, every day. Comments, experiences? Are there any payment authorization gateways that are in the set of (not crewed by vampires not Microsoft centric) ? We've been using trustcommerce.com and while as a programmer, I found their interface to be straightforward and their documentation excellent, the per transaction charges are fierce. It's all I've ever used, so I can't really compare, but I find it easy to script for. I have my own homebuilt php shopping cart, it just goes to their page to enter the cc#'s and then back to my thankyou.php to let them know if their payment was accepted. authorize.net also has a transparent interface, but if someone ends up leaking cc #'s, I'd rather it not be us. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]ecommerce experiences sought
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 01:09:14PM -0800, Larry Price wrote: I've already been looking at the authorize.net documentation which is fairly good, I just wanted to know if there were any gotcha's lurking in the background. Yeah, the documentation is pretty good, but trying to call support can take a _while_ to get through. Fortunately, I've only had to do that a couple times (that was a while ago, when their docs were a little confusing, at least to me). I haven't snagged any gotchas in ~ 3 years. One thing I like about it, is that it's pretty easy to test the setup, with either their test #'s or global flags, or transaction specific flags. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Late to the Gentoo party
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:58:22AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Cory Petkovsek wrote: qpkg works but is quite slow. Yes, without the -I flag, qpkg searches all of /usr/portage. But with -I, it runs quickly. (qpkg -I -v -nc ran in 0.25 seconds of real time on my box just now.) Indeed, it's much faster. Also note KBob's use of -nc, the no color option, very useful when redirecting output. Be careful with gentoo on a laptop. I have two laptops with gentoo on it. Laptop hardware is not designed to be running at 100% cpu utilization all the time, while a desktop could care less. Good point. My laptop has been a [EMAIL PROTECTED] client without damaging itself, and I'd use distcc to offload as much compiling as possible, but it's still a valid concern. Depends on the laptop I suppose. [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been running on my tecra 8000 (ok, it's only a 266 MHz pII, but ...) with the lid closed for 4 days. The tecra has good support under gentoo ... _everything_ works. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]planet CCRMA
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 01:39:00AM -0800, Patrick R. Wade wrote: No, you have to do an added step of # emerge inject package-category/package-name Thanks, I didn't think of that. But, I think I'm going to make ebuilds in PORTDIR_OVERLAY from the ccrma SRPMS, using existing ebuilds for packages that already exist. I've already made ebuilds for the latest ccrma kernel and jack-audio-connection-kit :) A question for portage hackers: Would I mess things up if I put all the ebuilds in, for example, media-ccrma, instead of the groups they already are in, like media-sound, and sys-kernel? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Re: New laptop - Distro recommendations (Bob Miller)
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:40:05PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Jason wrote: Yeah, I usually rebuild the kernel as a first step. That way if I foobar anything, it's an easy rebuild w/o too much hoohah. One of the nice things about the default Gentoo kernel is that it has a file, /proc/config. It's a copy of the .config file the kernel was built with. Very convenient when you're upgrading the kernel. It's a patch for 2.4 (I think it's in vanilla 2.6), and I don't like to bother with patches, so Gentoo is the only place I've ever seen it. As for how difficult Gentoo is, take a look at the x86 install guide. When you complete this doc, you're ready to start installing X, Gnome or KDE, Mozilla, OO.o, etc. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml I will stand by my estimate of a week. Eh, I don't know about that. One _could_ do a GRP install. I build packages for my laptop on my desktop. I think gentoo is a fabulous laptop distro. It always takes a little time just to learn the nuances of a distro, though ... and I guess I'm used to doing everything myself from using OpenBSD ... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Disk space
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 02:13:08AM -0500, Linux Rocks ! wrote: On my system, rm is in /usr/bin, so if your in /usr and you rm -rf *, you will actually remove rm! so is du, and df! maybe it would be best to boot your system using a bootable cd before doing this! With Linux 2.4, one can mount a partition on more than one mount point. So if /usr is on the same partition as /, one can mount the new /usr partition, and then mount the / partition on /mnt, and then 'rm -rf /mnt/usr/*'. This way, /usr is never empty. But you're right, changing /usr's partition is probably best done from recovery media. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]planet CCRMA
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Re: [eug-lug]planet CCRMA
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:41:27AM -0800, Larry Price wrote: I've used a few of the packages mentioned, Audacity and snd but most of the kernel bits are for if you are wanting to do things like make your workstation be the synthesizer for a midi device.(aka, real time preemptive interrupts) Neat project, I know someone who might be into trying it out, musician, not programmer...tho most of the packages are available elsewhwer and you need not be stuck using red hat (in fact it rather looks as though the project may have been ported from debian since all the packages are delivered as .deb's) Yes, the packages are available in other ditros, however, the kernel has come POSIX 1000.3e (?) capabilities patches that aren't in other kernels. These capabilities allow JACK (http://jackit.sourceforge.net/) to do certain things, but then jack clients need to know about how JACK is working. Basically, using the Planet CCRMA packages would seem to be the easiest way to keep the apps in sync. So, how does one install .debs or RPMs in gentoo, and still have the niceness of emerge? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]planet CCRMA
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:10:19PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:59:00AM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: So, how does one install .debs or RPMs in gentoo, and still have the niceness of emerge? emerge app-arch/rpm And this would register the installed RPMS in the portage database? I don't see a patch to the rpm sources to do that. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Disk space
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 11:11:55PM -0600, Timothy Bolz wrote: I was running out of diskspace. The question I have is what directory uses up the most space # cd / # du -sk * and could I just mount it for example /usr and would /usr use this partiton to extend itself. Not sure what you mean by extend itself, but when you mount /usr, you will mask whatever was in /usr, so you can't mount an empty partition as /usr, or you will lose your system. Assume /dev/hda3 is /, /mnt is open for temporary mounts, and you're going to mount /dev/hda6 as /usr: # mke2fs /dev/hda6 # mount /dev/hda6 /mnt # cp -a /usr/* /mnt # umount /mnt # mount /dev/hda6 /usr # mount /dev/hda3 /mnt # rm -rf /mnt/usr/* # umount /mnt # echo /dev/hda6\t/usr\text2\tdefaults\t1 1 /etc/fstab Of course, this is hypothetical, I didn't tell you to do this, and if you lose your system, it's not my fault ;] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]alternatives to X11 in the oven?
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:51:45AM -0800, john fleming wrote: I was talking to Joseph Carter about Linux and OSX and the idea of needing an alternative to x11 came up are there any viable altternatives being worked on? You mean like directfb, libgii, libggi, svgalib or something like that? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Power down
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 09:47:19PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 06:33:38PM -0800, Dirk Ouellette wrote: Is there a way to put my RH 9 box in a standby mode like Windows does? Dirk short answer: apm -s or apm -S If that doesn't work, make sure apm support is in your kernel and check out the man page for apm. And make sure apmd is running ... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]FAH info
(I think) I got the [EMAIL PROTECTED] linux terminal 'B' client to work on OpenBSD 3.4 (finished 7 frames so far). I couldn't find any info on www.euglug.org about joining the team, but maybe I'm blind. I found team #668 by checking this list's archives. I see there have been 61 'folders' for 668, pretty impressive. Maybe there'd be more new members if euglug's FAH efforts were more blatant on the website? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Tkinter in gentoo?
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:58:24PM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: Maybe I'm way wrong here, but searching google for 'tkinter gentoo' reveals that python should be built with tcltk in USE for tkinter. Which, BTW brings up a question I've been trying to figure out. How does one safely 'remerge' a package alongside a currently installed package, like 'emerge -e -u' does, but only with selected packages? I had an 'emerge -e -u world' stop, and I want to start it up where it left off (emerge --resume doesn't seem to work, prolly 'cause I emerged something in the meantime, d'oh). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Tkinter in gentoo?
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:58:24PM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: You can check what USE flags python was built with: $ etcat dev-lang/python oops, should be 'etcat -u dev-lang/python' ^^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Tkinter in gentoo?
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:42:09AM -0800, john fleming wrote: Can I install tkinter in gentoo it isn't in portage. If nay will a tar gz work wiout compatability issues? Maybe I'm way wrong here, but searching google for 'tkinter gentoo' reveals that python should be built with tcltk in USE for tkinter. You can check what USE flags python was built with: $ etcat dev-lang/python etcat is part of app-portage/gentoolkit -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] Cory's silliness
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:20:12PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 06:28:05PM -0800, Larry Price wrote: On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 03:17 PM, Cory Petkovsek wrote: Now imagine such an interference pattern being spread around the internet to produce or store a vast quantitiy of information. With a system that swarming could be the pre-pre-precursor to, a little piece of that massive amount of information is stored on each host. Swarming however is talking about having say bytes 1000-3000 on a host and 2750-5000 on another host. Holographic storage would be a merging of digital and analog storage, the idea of a file stream becomes less important replaced by the raw concept of information. how would error-correction work in this scheme? errors? Errors are correct on a raid system because each of the drives contains information about the other drives. In a holographic system, each atom or unit (not an elemental atom) contains information about the whole. The more atoms there are, the more accurate information is available and the less viable errors, inconsistencies and missing information become. Hmmm ... I was just reading some NTP docs. I think Internet time could be considered a working example of network distributed holographic information. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]article comparing network speed of *bsd,linux
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 12:32:08AM -0700, Cory Petkovsek wrote: This is an interesting article comparing the scalability of kernels of (net|open|free)bsd and linux 2.[46] when used in various network related functions like bind(), fork(), socket(), used in webservers/ftp and others. http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ This article caused a stink on [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-miscm=106657116328956w=2 Some good points, some whining, some stupid comments. My comments: I wouldn't be surprised if he had problems with OpenBSD-current, since he used a -current from shortly after the tree unfroze for the next release, which is when most new things go in and OpenBSD-current is most unstable. And he surely has a more standard machine for server testing than a laptop, no? (OpenBSD will try to configure any device it finds, as almost all drivers are built in to the GENERIC kernel ... I doubt he loaded all possible modules on the other OSes. Not saying this is necessarily a problem, but he doesn't even give the dmesg for each OS, or if IRQs were shared with some kernels and not others, etc, etc.) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]article comparing network speed of *bsd,linux
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:47:17AM -0700, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:13:52AM -0701, Jacob Meuser wrote: My comments: I wouldn't be surprised if he had problems with OpenBSD-current, since he used a -current from shortly after the tree unfroze for the next release, which is when most new things go in and OpenBSD-current is most unstable. So these new additions are to the kernel and are so drastic in an incremental release as to introduce stability problems and O(n) algorithms as opposed to O(1) algorithms used in free bsd 5.1 and linux 2.6? Definitely stability issues. Some of the work being done is on threading and random address/page mapping etc. Does his Leanux kernel have PaX? OpenBSD really has only one source branch, not separate stable and devel branches, releases are meerly snapshots of the code, and -stable just has patches backported from -current. So, yes, new stuff goes in right after a release, so that if the major bugs can be fixed within a few weeks, it can stay in for 5 months of testing and fixing before the next release, otherwise it is removed. How else would one incorporate major changes? And he surely has a more standard machine for server testing than a laptop, no? Indeed. However it is the same hardware for all platforms. But only OpenBSD was installed in what was a swap partition for another OS. (OpenBSD will try to configure any device it finds, as almost all drivers are built in to the GENERIC kernel ... I doubt he loaded all possible modules on the other OSes. Not saying this is necessarily a problem, but he doesn't even give the dmesg for each OS, or if IRQs were shared with some kernels and not others, etc, etc.) Nevertheless, what's wrong with his suggestion of having openbsd incorporate many of the kernel improvements found in netbsd and freebsd? None, but he doesn't need possibly unscientific data to make such a suggestion, which has been made many times before. UBC was actually incorporated in OpenBSD for a brief period of time (right after 3.2 release I believe), but it caused too many problems and was removed. And his response to the response openbsd's focus is security not performance. Hopefully security and performance are not mutually exclusive. With Openbsd's security track record and freebsd's performance record, what a gain it would be to incorporate freebsd's improvements into openbsd. Maybe. Or maybe FreeBSD could incorporate OpenBSD's security improvements. There's probably a reason neither has happened yet. It is easier to make any OS higher performance than it is to make any more secure. Well, FreeBSD and OpenBSD are quite different. There would be a fair amount of porting involved, and then the ported parts would need to be analyzed so they don't create new security issues. Also, it's not a matter of security and performance being mutually exclusive, but that no OpenBSD developer has decided to make performance his main goal, and who is to say what a volunteer is to spend his time on? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]where can I learn more about wait channel - wchan?
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 12:01:11PM -0700, Larry Price wrote: in the output of ps; wchan is the address of the event flag on which the process is waiting from the OS X man page: (freebsd is same) Same with OpenBSD. Perhaps if you really want to learn, you should install an OS that cares about documentation, where you will also find select(2), poll(2), wait(2), wait4(2) etc ... Sorry, couldn't resist. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]where can I learn more about wait channel - wchan?
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 01:05:33PM -0700, Brad Davidson wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: Perhaps if you really want to learn, you should install an OS that cares about documentation, where you will also find select(2), poll(2), wait(2), wait4(2) etc ... Sorry, couldn't resist. Maybe you should have. All of those exist on Linux as well, as part of the Linux Programmer's Manual that's a standard part of the man page collection in most distros. Actually /used/ a Linux distro lately? Might save you some embarrasment. Actually, yes. After battling to get my PCMCIA NIC to work on Gentoo (the pcmcia-cs modules loaded and gave no errors, but didn't work for whatever reason ... then switching to the modules that come with the kernel sources it magically worked ... I distinctly remember it being the other way around a few kernel versions ago ... and the NIC works without a thought or module play on OpenBSD) I finally was able to 'emerge sync' after about 20 hrs of frustration. But more to the point, why couldn't Cory find that info? Why didn't you point him to it? I'm not embarrassed. Are you trying to start a flame war? Because if you are, you should look in the archives ... I like flame wars :) Oh, and I posted a few weeks ago about using Gentoo to make music. Linux distros make nice toy OSes ... I use OpenBSD for real work ;`} -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] please don't take me seriously, you will only hurt yourself ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]amusement
http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/{evilfinder/ef,catty,blog}.shtml
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Re: [eug-lug]amusement
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 04:58:11PM -0700, Cory Petkovsek wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 04:19:55PM -0701, Jacob Meuser wrote:
http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/{evilfinder/ef,catty,blog}.shtml
Missed the punchline.
Well, did you talk to Catty? Do you know why you're evil?
Did you have your blog written for you?
Maybe I'm just easily amused ...
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Re: [eug-lug] first draft of a new software license. interested intaking a look?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:20:46PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: I understand why you might want a shorter or less verbose license than the GNU GPL It is ILLEGAL, under Copyright law, to misrepresent the authorship of a work, in whole or in part. A license explains the terms, pure and simple. What may I do with this pile of code? What may I not? Do you see problems with the following? # Copyright (c) 2003 Jacob Meuser. All rights reserved. # Redistribution and use with or without modification # are permitted. This software is provided as is. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] first draft of a new software license. interested intaking a look?
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:11:50AM -0700, Linux Rocks ! wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2003 10:48 am, Jacob Meuser wrote: : Do you see problems with the following? : : # Copyright (c) 2003 Jacob Meuser. All rights reserved. : # Redistribution and use with or without modification : # are permitted. This software is provided as is. There doesnt seem to be the standard disclaimer that the author asumes no responsibility for its use/misuse. Well, last time I bought a knife, it didn't come with a disclaimer saying that the manufacturer was not liable if I cut myself. (unless as is completely covers author's liability). Liability for what? The user chooses to use the software, it's their choice/consequences. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]funny error messages
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 06:18:05PM -0700, Mr O wrote: Someone needs to fork something similar over to linux. Should be something simple to a programming type person eh? Can you add messages to the list? Perhaps something like Try 'password' you dummy :) http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.bin/sudo/ins_2001.h?rev=1.1.1.1content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.bin/sudo/ins_classic.h?rev=1.1.1.1content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.bin/sudo/ins_csops.h?rev=1.1.1.1content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.bin/sudo/ins_goons.h?rev=1.1.1.1content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]funny error messages
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 06:23:57PM -0700, Cory Petkovsek wrote: Related, to funny compiler messages, I just got a funny error message from our friends in openbsd land. I'm working on my solaris box, vascilating between expert and newbie. saraswati:~$ ssh parvati You don't exist, go away! sraswati:~$ funk:~% uname -a OpenBSD funk 3.3 GENERIC#0 i386 funk:~% sudo ls Password: Wrong! You cheating scum! Password: Are you on drugs? Password: My pet ferret can type better than you! sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts funk:~% sudo ls Password: I've seen penguins that can type better than that. Password: Have you considered trying to match wits with a rutabaga? Password: You speak an infinite deal of nothing sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts funk:~% sudo ls Password: Where did you learn to type? Password: Are you on drugs? Password: My pet ferret can type better than you! sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts funk:~% -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] something MEDIA topics
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 05:59:12PM -0700, Jacob Meuser wrote: http://www.birgerblixt.com/doc/packages/suselinux-reference_en/html/node9.html This doc had the info I needed. To get vkeybd to work with my cheapo SiS SI7018, I needed to install patch files and connect to a daemonized timidity through ALSA. It sounds alright, but gets a little distorted and misses notes when I hit the keys too fast. Perhaps it's finally time to really try to tweak the system to get the lowest latency possible. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] something MEDIA topics
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 08:00:04AM -0700, Ben Barrett wrote: Have you gotten any other midi software to work; ie, can you play midi through your sound card, either with real midi support or with software synthesis? Well, the thing is, I don't have any hardware MIDI equipment (I will likely get some if I start having fun with the virtual stuff), and I don't know much about MIDI. I've installed fluidsynth, pmidi, pd, spiralmodular, jack, zynaddsubfx, timidity++, tapiir, snd, rosegarden, etc, etc, but I haven't used any of them yet, because I have nothing to create MIDI events/files ... which is what I want vkeybd for. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] something MEDIA topics
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 09:28:53AM -0700, Ben Barrett wrote: sound: recording, editing, midi?, ... Is anyone using vkeybd? It seems to be installed properly, but I get no sound :( Any ALSA experts here? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] something MEDIA topics
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 02:14:50AM +, Bob Crandell wrote: What do you get if run vkeybd from a command prompt? Does the sound work from other programs? Do you have rights? What does vkeybd do? vkeybd is a virtual midi keyboard. http://www.alsa-project.org/~iwai/alsa.html#vkeybd http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/media-sound/vkeybd.xml Other (basic) sound apps work. exp2:~$ vkeybd --addr 65:0 check: a check: z check: s check: x check: c check: f check: v check: g check: b check: n check: j check: m check: k check: comma check: l check: period check: slash check: apostrophe check: backslash check: grave check: a check: z check: s check: x check: c check: f check: v check: g check: b check: n check: j check: m check: k check: comma check: l check: period check: slash check: apostrophe check: backslash check: grave ^C exp2:~$ exp2:~$ dmesg Linux version 2.4.20-gentoo-r5 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.2.2) #1 Sat Jun 21 19:29:28 PDT 2003 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0010 - 1c00 (usable) BIOS-e820: fffc - 0001 (reserved) 448MB LOWMEM available. On node 0 totalpages: 114688 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 110592 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda3 Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling. Found and enabled local APIC! Initializing CPU#0 Detected 1659.323 MHz processor. Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 3309.56 BogoMIPS Memory: 447116k/458752k available (2120k kernel code, 9072k reserved, -2472k data, 136k init, 0k highmem) Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Inode cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Mount-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Buffer-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line) CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line) Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU: After generic, caps: 0383fbff c1c3fbff CPU: Common caps: 0383fbff c1c3fbff CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ stepping 02 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX enabled ExtINT on CPU#0 ESR value before enabling vector: ESR value after enabling vector: Using local APIC timer interrupts. calibrating APIC timer ... . CPU clock speed is 1659.1159 MHz. . host bus clock speed is 265.2384 MHz. cpu: 0, clocks: 1327384, slice: 663692 CPU0T0:1327376,T1:663680,D:4,S:663692,C:1327384 mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfdb01, last bus=1 PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) PCI: Using IRQ router SIS [1039/0008] at 00:01.0 Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Initializing RT netlink socket apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16) Starting kswapd VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0 initialized Journalled Block Device driver loaded devfs: v1.12c (20020818) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) devfs: boot_options: 0x1 udf: registering filesystem parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] sisfb: Framebuffer at 0xc000, mapped to 0xdc804000, size 65536k sisfb: MMIO at 0xcfee, mapped to 0xe0805000, size 128k sisfb: Memory heap starting at 12288K sisfb: SiS301LVX bridge detected (revision 0xff) sisfb: Mode is 800x600x8 (60Hz) sisfb: CRT2 is disabled sisfb: Added MTRRs Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 100x37 sisfb: Installed SISFB_GET_INFO ioctl (80046ef8) sisfb: 2D acceleration is enabled, scrolling mode ypan fb0: SIS 730 frame buffer device, Version 1.5.07 pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A lp0: using parport0 (polling). Real Time Clock Driver v1.10e Non-volatile memory driver v1.2 Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx SIS5513: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 01 SIS5513: chipset revision 208 SIS5513: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later SiS730 ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA ide1: BM-DMA at 0xff08-0xff0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA hda: Maxtor 6E030L0, ATA DISK drive hdc: ATAPI CDROM, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdd: SONY CD-RW CRX175E2, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 blk:
Re: [eug-lug] something MEDIA topics
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 11:58:42AM -0700, Jacob Meuser wrote: A couple others I've bookmarked: http://linux-sound.org/ http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/index.php I just found http://www.birgerblixt.com/doc/packages/suselinux-reference_en/html/node9.html which seems pretty useful for getting started with ALSA and MIDI. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
