Re: [EVDL] How to find the true state of a Leaf battery pack.
I recommend buying an entire wrecked car from an auto insurance auction. That way you know why it's being sold (car wrecked, not due to problems with the battery). In many cases, if you can get the 12 volt system to power up you can plug in a bluetooth OBDII interface and use LeafSpy to talk directly with the battery BMS. Then, you just have to find somebody to buy the rest of the car (in pieces if you want to put in the time and effort of parting it out, or whole if you don't.) Worked well for me. Jay On 01/10/2016 03:53 PM, Cruisin via EV wrote: The main thing to be concerned about when buying used junk batteries, is that a lot of them could have been from crash tests or factory rejects which have the batteries shorted by Nissan engineers. As a result of the shorting the batteries are worthless. I have had many customers send me battery packs from different junkies to disassemble for them, they lost a lot of money as a result. The junkie isn't going to refund. Reversal on your credit card wont work unless you have had it shipped back, then you are on the "no sell" list that junkies subscribe to. You get what you pay for. I also notice all of the people on the forums asking about buying the Leaf or Volt batteries are the same ones who used to post how good the CALBs were. What happened, did the CALB's die? -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/How-to-find-the-true-state-of-a-Leaf-battery-pack-tp4679608p4679613.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Happy 1975 Cheesewedge in Indiana for sale (CitiCar by Sebring Vanguard)
On 1/8/2016 10:46 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Just some more or less random thoughts: Unless someone has looked after the brakes recently, you'll most likely have to rebuild them. Moisture gets in and corrodes the master and wheel cylinders. I can't say what this car uses, but later C-cars used a 1967 Rambler Ambassador dual master cylinder. Brakes definitely a problem. My first Citicar almost went into a large window when I was parking it and suddenly there were no brakes. Fortunately there was a large speed bump at the bottom of the slight slope and it stopped me. A lot of the work I had done on my cars was brake related. Two big improvements were the rear glass hatch, which made it a much more practical grocery getter even if it did leak water, and the sliding glass door windows. The early cars' side curtains made the car a miserable experience in winter. OTOH, the later sliding windows didn't let in much breeze in the summer. Rear glass hatch was definitely an improvement. It was amazing how much stuff I could haul in the back with that opening. I seldom put the side curtains in since they offered little protection from the elements and were hard to see through. In Las Vegas we have little rain, no cold compared to northern areas, and not having windows in the summer allowed a breeze. With no engine heat and the ABS body I was reasonably comfortable in temperatures up to 110 degrees, sometimes carried a misting system if it was hotter. Once when we did have a heavy downpour and I was driving without the windows it was advantageous as I had to stick my head out to see where I was going when the windshield wiper came apart. Really ruined my makeup. As I write this, bidding on this one stands at $420 with reserve not met. These cars do seem to have a minor collectors' following. I expect that someone will bid that price up further, but it won't be me. I had my C-car fling and I'm done. We have a CCar group on yahoo. Peter Crisitello, who occasionally posts here, has a database of the known cars and owners. He may pipe in here with more info. Mine was a 1980 Comuta-Car, which was considerably improved over this model. It was without a doubt the noisiest, most uncomfortable vehicle I've ever been in. The solid axle and leaf spring all round suspension was like a 1950 truck's, and it rode and handled worse than any truck. I have never driven a truck so can't compare. My C-Cars were a 1976 36 Volt early model Citicar to 1981 dealer demo Comutacar. I liked them all. They were the easiest to park of any cars I have owned and would fit where other cars would not. The ride over potholes would jar your teeth loose, and you never knew where you'd end up if you hit a bump while taking a turn or braking. At least mine had shock absorbers. The early Citicars didn't. Only with gentle braking could I count on the car stopping in a reasonably straight line. Hard braking usually ended with the car at a 45 degree angle to the road, or worse. I never ended up at a 45 degree angle but did swerve quite a bit if I had to do a sudden stop. Obviously safety wasn't its long suit. It had seatbelts, but they weren't of much use with the windshield a couple inches from my forehead. You are probably much taller than I am as I do not think I was that close to the windshield. My cars had shoulder harnesses. I was always a little uneasy driving it, not so much for its size and lack of crashworthiness as for the terrible handling and the abysmal brakes. I worried more about things like battery post meltdowns, fuses, really dim lights on some. I thought the size and cuteness made them somewhat safe as people staring at the cars would not likely run into them. Its hill climbing (in)ability drove me NUTS. Mine had the 5.17:1 "speed axle," which was supposed to only go into cars sold in flat areas. I burned out a few sets of motor brushes going up grades, until I fitted a 350 amp transistor controller. After that, I couldn't climb hills at all without a running start. Hill climbing was an issue. A gradual long hill was ok but a steep one was bad news. For all that, I had a blast with it, commuting in it and jumpstarting co- workers' ICEVs with it in the winter. My other half Margaret would take her life in her hands in the passenger seat, and with her 75lb dog stuffed into the space behind the seats, fogging up the back window with his panting, we'd jounce our way round town. And I did too, with mine. I often took my neighbor to or from the airport with his luggage and once drove two visiting EV guys from my house to the Strip. A bit crowded and I am sure illegal as there was no shoulder harness in the center. CCars were perfect for going to work, shopping, taking pets for veterinary care, hauling things to Earth Day events. Fun times. But I'll stick with the memories, thanks. BTW, it did draw a lot of attention, both welcome
Re: [EVDL] Happy 1975 Cheesewedge in Indiana for sale (CitiCar by Sebring Vanguard)
On 1/9/2016 3:23 AM, Willie2 via EV wrote: I recently viewed Gail Lucas' collection of about nine CCars. Close Willie. Seven CCars. Sadly, most stored in the sun. It seems the only hope for CCars is that someone might build replacement bodies. There have been some replacement body parts available recently through Peter Crisitello but I don't know if they are all gone. I haven't read of any fatalities in a CCar. So, it seems CCars were treated unfairly with demands for "safety". I vaguely recall reading of one, quite a few years ago, but don't remember the details. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Happy 1975 Cheesewedge in Indiana for sale (CitiCar by Sebring Vanguard)
Years ago Lee shared with me a huge document detailing his experience and the work he had done on his ComutaVan. I am sure it is still somewhere in my collection of paperwork. Thank you Lee for all the help you provided when I was struggling to keep my CCars running. On 1/9/2016 10:56 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Just some more or less random thoughts: An excellent summary, David. A few things I can add from my experience with the ComutaVan: ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: She Builds Affordable Ampere V 60 e-Scooters In India
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Female Entrepreneur Builds Affordable Electric Vehicles In India
January 3rd, 2016 Steve Hanley
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The number of vehicles in the world is expected to double in the next 20
years or so. A lot of that growth will come in countries with huge
populations where access to private automobile ownership is a relatively new
phenomenon — places like India, China, and others that are struggling to
catch up economically with the developed nations. Like China, India’s
populous cities are experiencing severe air pollution problems. In Delhi,
the city government is considering an odd-even plan that would keep half its
cars off the road on alternate days.
Ampere
In the city of Coimbatore in southern India, Hemalatha Annamalai and her
husband Bala Pachyappa are building inexpensive, low tech electric vehicles
to serve the transportation needs of rural drivers. Her target customers are
farmers, shopkeepers and rural traders, according to Forbes. Her company,
Ampere Vehicles Private Ltd, specializes in electric cycles, scooters and
load carriers. Recently the local government of Coimbatore has begun using
200 Ampere electric garbage vehicles to transport waste. The company has
trained 500 workers to use their products.
“Wealth accumulation is not my aim,” says Hemalatha. “ I want to create a
whole new manufacturing sector. I want a lot of women to come into this
sector.” Today, one quarter of her workforce of 80 employees are women. Her
company has built more than 30,000 electric vehicles since she and her
husband gave up high paying jobs in Singapore to pursue their dream.
Ampere makes three types of vehicles — Ampere V 60 scooters; Angel electric
motorcycles and Mitra load carriers. It also makes special purpose vehicles
for the disabled. The battery powered vehicles have a top speed of 16 miles
per hour. The batteries need to be charged for eight hours and the vehicles
can run for 25 miles on a full battery. They cost from $380 for an electric
scooter to $2,270 for a load carrier.
Another company that is specializing in electric vehicles for commercial and
industrial users is BYD, which builds electric buses, construction vehicles
and specialized commercial equipment for airport and seaport operations, as
well as automobiles.
The business has begun to attract investors. Infosys co-founder Kris
Gopalakrishnan and others made a $2,000,000 investment in December. “He
believes that this sector will grow rapidly in the coming years with the
government’s focus on the manufacturing sector,” says Hemalatha, who still
owns a significant stake in the company.
Earlier, Hemalatha convinced Ratan Tata, head of Tata Motors to invest an
undisclosed amount in her company by using this sales pitch: “In 2000, China
sold 40,000 electric vehicles. In 2015, they are selling 32 million
vehicles. Why not India?”
Elon Musk couldn’t have said it any better.
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6 January 2016 ... Hemalatha Annamalai, CEO, Ampere Vehicles Pvt Ltd, adds
that electric vehicles will grow rapidly in the delivery segments in the
coming years ...
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Jan 11, 2014 ... "The sales of electric vehicles have been growing slowly
but steadily," said Hemalatha Annamalai, Ampere's founder ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: Female trained, licensed& driven e-taxis.jo reduce difficulties
% Link at the bottom show Leaf EV being used % http://www.jordantimes.com/news/local/taxi-company-introduce-female-driven-energy-efficient-vehicles Taxi company to introduce female-driven, energy-efficient vehicles Jan 04,2016 Muath Freij AMMAN — Noor Jordan for Transport — Taxi Moumayaz will start operating hybrid vehicles in the capital driven by women by the end of this month, the company’s chairman, Eid Abu Al Haj, said Monday. He noted that the 20 taxis operated by female drivers will be among 30 hybrid vehicles to be included in the company’s fleet. “We are in the process of choosing women to train them and provide them with the necessary licences. They will not drive around the capital; their jobs will be assigned through our call centre,” Abu Al Haj told The Jordan Times over the phone. “Their working hours will run from the early morning until 8pm so that we respect our culture. The women drivers will receive the order and go to pick up the passenger,” he added. Jordanians interviewed by The Jordan Times commended the initiative. Nour Eid, a university student, said this move will make her family more comfortable with her using taxis. “For my part, I don’t mind, but I think it (female-driven taxis) is much better because there can be a communication problem between the driver and the passenger. Any driver needs to be able to communicate with any segment of the society,” Eid told The Jordan Times. Shima Al Tal said although she is against gender segregation, the difficulties some women have faced in dealing with taxi drivers make this idea an attractive solution. “It would be much safer for women, especially for those who don’t have cars and need to use a taxi late in the evening to return home from work,” she added. Abu Al Haj said the company will also operate 100 electric vehicles in Amman that will be introduced into the market gradually. “The fare will be lower than those of regular [ice] taxis because their expenses are lower,” he added. Ayman Smadi, executive director of the transport and traffic department at the Greater Amman Municipality (GAM), said the electric vehicles will be based at the Raghadan complex in downtown Amman, stressing that priority has been given to the city centre due to the lack of parking spaces. Smadi said the electric taxis, which are being introduced in cooperation with Taxi Moumayaz with the aim of alleviating traffic jams in the capital and encouraging people to use public transport, will be operated under the slogan “Tawseelah” (pick up), which was created by Amman Mayor Aqel Biltaji. GAM recently signed an agreement with the French firm Hyseo International to set up 10 electric car charging stations in Amman with the support of the French government, according to a GAM statement. The municipality received a 430,000 euro grant from the French government under a memorandum of understanding to finance the establishment of the stations in the capital, the statement said. [© jordantimes.com] ... https://www.facebook.com/AbuAlhaj.group/ Noor Jordan Transport Company - Taxi Al-Moumayaz https://www.facebook.com/AlMoumayaz/ https://www.facebook.com/AbuAlhaj.group/posts/768714619900913 Taxi Al-Moumayaz shared Eid Abu Al-Haj's post. December 15, 2015 at 2:00pm · Thanks for the Journalist (media Jordan times Eid Abu Al-Haj December 15, 2015 at 12:20pm · Kingdom’s streets this week ([Arabic>translate.google>English] Thank newspaper Jordan Times) By Mohammad Ghazal - Dec 14,2015 - Last updated at Dec 14,2015 AMMAN — Electric cabs will be offering rides on the country’s streets as of the end of this week, according to Noor Jordan for Transport — Taxi Moumayaz, which is the first company to introduce electric taxis in the country. The company will replace its 400 gasoline-run taxis with 100 electric vehicles and 300 hybrid vehicles as of the end of this week, its chairman, Eid Abu Al Haj, said Monday. “These vehicles are less costly and cleaner for the environment; this falls in line with Jordan’s efforts towards increased adoption of green technology. Jordan is pioneering in the region in this regard,” Abu Al Haj told The Jordan Times over the phone. The electric cars will be charged at several charging stations, he said. “Work is also underway in cooperation with Nissan and the Greater Amman Municipality to build a solar-powered electric car charging station in Al Mahatta area in Amman.” “Using these cars will help reduce oil consumption and result in savings of 70-75 per cent in cost,” Abu Al Haj noted, adding that the company has plans to increase the number of electric cars in the future. Last month, the government announced that it has started a pioneering multi-phased project to switch the bulk of its public sector fleet to energy-efficient and eco-friendly electric vehicles. The project’s first phase was launched in October 2015, with the introduction of 300 vehicles. Following an assessment of the first phase, the
[EVDL] Sizzling and steaming cooked (RIP) flooded battery ...
I also had a similar, but not exactly the same experience. This was way back
when my former S-10 Blazer EV pack configuration was 120VDC using 20x 6V
T125 type PbSO4 wet cell batteries: 8 in the front in two racks of 4, and
the other 12 in one large covered metal box behind the rear seat.
I had just grabbed a couple hour charge at a work site near Trimble Rd and
Hwy 101 in San Jose, CA and was heading on Hwy 101 north at 55 mph a few
miles to get home. I knew I had a few batteries that were using more water,
and their tops were beginning to get discolored, but I figure they still had
several months of life left.
About half-way to my turn off, I smelt sulfur. I turned off the radio, and
heard a slight hissing. The hissing sound increased as I demanded more with
the accelerator pedal.
I could not very well pull over right then to check, so I only pushed the
accelerator down enough to try to keep a highway speed in the right lane
(~45mph) with a plan to get off the highway asap. After I had shut down and
parked, I feared I would not be driving the rest of the way home, and may
need a tow.
I opened the rear hatch window and lifted the heavy metal cover on the rear
pack. Yup, a cell had cooked and another had reversed. There was acid
electrolyte sprayed like a volcano eruption all over the insides of that
battery box of 12 T125-type batteries. I called a tow truck and got my baby
home.
Later after neutralizing a lot of the acid, I cabled past the bad battery
and was able to still drive my Blazer EV. At that time there were no other
battery options for conversions other than PbSO4. I set up an appointment to
bring in my EV, and I decided to spend the money to do several upgrades
besides cleaning up the mess and replacing the pack.
If this had happened today, I too would be considering upgrading to li-ion.
As others know, there is a lot more than needs to happen than just switching
the battery chemistry type. It would be nice if there was a simple
off-the-shelf plug-n-play way to do the upgrade. But usually what is
involved is a new charger, a BMS system that works with that charger, and
then there is sourcing the li-ions.
I found some automotive size 12V li-ion batteries that were designed to try
to make it easy to upgrade
http://www.lithiumion-batteries.com/products/12v-80ah-lithium-ion-battery/
But the terminals were different, may not be able to handle the current
demand, and would have to be adapted to, as well as them being 12V so a
serial parallel configuration would have to be considered to try to get
about the same or more kWhrs as the original pack.
But same as a long time ago when there only was PbSO4 available, which
battery to want depends on what your racks were designed for. So you may
have to add a new battery rack to the above todo list.
>From what I read, it seems the best bang for the buck is to get some pih or
EV packs, test and pull the best individual cells, and then build a rack
around them. But that takes a place to work, and the time to do all of that.
Whether you buy individual new li-ion cells or do the less expensive method
(above), this upgrade should be well planned out ahead of time. If you have
a dead battery now, the best solution to get back on the road so you do that
planned upgrade so I suggest: stick with PbSO4 for now.
I hope others will weigh in and give their corrections, opinions, and ideas.
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Re: [EVDL] Sizzling and steaming cooked (RIP) flooded battery ...
I have luckily never steamed/cooked a golf cart battery, but in the two packs of golf cart batteries I have had, there was always one battery that failed "first". I have a (now no longer available for purchase) PakTrakr system that reports on the voltage level of each battery, and this was very helpful in knowing when a battery was not performing "up to snuff" w.r.t. the rest of the pack. This would typically exhibit as one battery being at a significantly lower voltage than the others, especially when under load. (for example, one battery would sag to 4.9 volts, while all the others were at 5.5 volts). This battery would have lower capacity than the rest of the pack. The overall pack voltage would look just slightly lower than normal, but I imagine that if I were to keep driving the pack the lowest battery would eventually reverse, get sizzled, etc... If only for this, I think having a per-battery voltage level monitor can be useful. A Lee Hart style middle of pack imbalance monitoring system could also give an indication that something like this was going on, but wouldn't necessarily identify the specific battery. The "bad" battery would also typically be 0.1 volt lower than the "good" ones after charging, but that difference was not as big an effect as the voltage sag under load (which is difficult to measure with a multimeter while driving ;>) On the first pack, I purchased a (brand new) golf cart battery and used it to keep the rest of the pack going for another six months. On my second pack, I had two spares from the first pack that I was using in a large UPS, and I swapped one of those in to keep things going for a little longer. Jay ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] How to find the true state of a Leaf battery pack.
For some reason I can't find the archives. So here is a question. I'm under the impression you can get into the Leaf system to determine battery state. What tools do you need and has anyone gotten a new battery using this approach. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160110/1ca6078e/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Shift low-cost PV electricity rates to the middle of the day
nds.
>
> Diversity of loads and supply
>
> Individual loads can be highly variable. Small appliances are turned on and
> off frequently (a microwave, for example, uses large amounts of power for a
> minute or two at a time). Air conditioners automatically cycle on and off
> to
> maintain the proper temperature, at times resulting in very large swings in
> power demanded.
>
> But when you aggregate many individually variable loads, the variability
> diminishes considerably. This is the same effect seen with solar power,
> aggregated across a wide area. Isolated clouds passing over one
> photovoltaic
> (PV) array will take a few minutes to impact the production of another
> array
> a few miles away.
>
> We can mitigate some of the short-term variability of PV systems just by
> having many of them spread out.
>
> Time of use rates and smart charging
>
> On the timescale of hours, variations in solar power output occur from
> large
> cloud systems and from Earth’s rotation. The second source of variation is
> entirely predictable—we know when the sun will rise and set. PV systems
> reach peak output around noon, with variations depending on the angle of
> the
> panels, the location within a time zone, and Daylight Savings Time.
>
>
> Since peak power demand is generally mid-to-late afternoon or early
> evening,
> we’d want to shift some loads to run when abundant solar power is feeding
> in
> to the grid. One way to do this using PV and EVs is with a rate structure
> that offers low-cost electricity in the middle of the day. Electric
> companies in Hawaii have proposed this [
>
> http://www.hawaiianelectric.com/vcmcontent/StaticFiles/pdf/20151113_TOU_Rates_Release.pdf
> ]. Using “time of use rates” in this way has several benefits:
>
> - Retail prices paid by customers would reflect the wholesale market, in
> which mid-day power is already becoming less expensive in some locations
> due
> to abundant solar electricity.
>
> - Electric vehicles at workplaces could charge with low cost clean power.
>
> - “Smart chargers” could adjust the charging rate if needed to accommodate
> variations in power supply.
>
> - Flexible loads such as air conditioners could run at low cost during the
> mid-day hours to pre-cool homes and reduce the evening power draw.
>
> - The electric grid would see a more gradual “ramp” from the mid-day load
> to the evening peak.
>
> - Solar power systems selling at wholesale (such as utility-scale systems)
> would see increased revenues from their power sales due to greater daytime
> demand.
>
> - If a car is plugged in at work for nine hours, and needs only two
> full-power hours to charge, there is a great amount of flexibility in when
> the charger is used and what rate it charges at.
>
> Shifting the charging time to align with a period of surplus solar power,
> through “time of use” rates, helps address solar power variation on the
> timescale of hours. Starting, stopping, or varying the rate of power
> transfer (“smart charging”) can help address shorter-term variation.
>
> My research: how PV and EVs can best work together
>
> There are dozens of pilot projects on “smart charging,” and hundreds of
> research efforts in this area on topics ranging from consumer behavior to
> battery lifetime impacts to communication protocols. Some companies already
> earn real revenue from providing ancillary services to the grid (including
> both one-way “smart charging” and two-way “vehicle-to-grid” arrangements).
>
> Part of my work at UCS is identifying how these options can increase value
> for EV owners, for electricity grid operators, for renewable energy
> providers, and for the public. Right now it is possible to integrate
> variable energy resources into the grid at a low cost. Can flexible loads
> reduce this integration cost further as variable renewable generation
> grows?
> If so, how can we align incentives so that the market prioritizes
> lower-cost
> solutions for grid integration of variable renewables over more expensive
> ones?
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Re: [EVDL] Killed a flooded battery - sizzling and steaming...
ly be to purchase a (used) 12V car battery as the aux battery and rotate the other spare battery into service instead of the 4V one, because I doubt that I should continue to run this guy, I expect more steam and/or worse. One other alternative would be to buy another 6V battery to replace the bad one. Just wanted to share the experience and the surprise to see a battery with one cell staying pristinely clear and the other cells have somewhat mudded electrolyte from old age and other near-end-of-life issues (this pack has seen over 15k miles and about 4 years of driving). Soon I will have to decide if I am going to spend the time to install my Lithium in this truck or not, but that will definitely need to wait till better weather, so I can commute by bike while the truck is out of commission. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160109/2223110b/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160110/a11762c6/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] How to find the true state of a Leaf battery pack.
I saw a relatively cheap Leaf (IIRC $5700) offered for sale on Ebay that was a "manufacturer buyback / lemon" and when I dug a little deeper, it showed that in summer 2015 this Leaf was bought back by the Leaf dealer in SoCal for the lack of battery capacity, so apparently there are failing Leaf packs that are not upgraded... For some reason this Leaf was for sale on the East coast however. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes via EV Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:08 AM To: ev@lists.evdl.org; ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] How to find the true state of a Leaf battery pack. For some reason I can't find the archives. So here is a question. I'm under the impression you can get into the Leaf system to determine battery state. What tools do you need and has anyone gotten a new battery using this approach. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160110/1ca6078e/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] How to find the true state of a Leaf battery pack.
Leaf Spy is the Leaf battery pack app, runs on any Andoid with WiFi: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Turbo3.Leaf_Spy_Pro=en Use this WiFi OBDII dongle: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005NLQAHS/?tag=myelecarwiki-20&/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?tag=gafogi-20=UTF8=1 (You can mess around with others, but this one works for sure.) Here is the Wiki: http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Leaf_Spy_Pro#Clone_ELM327_Bluetooth_Scanner Leaf Spy (free) and Leaf Spy Pro ($15) does pretty much everything you want and probably more. The absurdly optimistic "Miles of Range Left" display (Guess-O-Meter) on the vehicle as well as the number of battery bars left tell you what the Nissan programmers want them to indicate, not really what you would would like (or need) to know. For example, my battery in my Leaf is down to 80% capacity (Leaf Spy battery state-of-health), but still shows the full 12 bars. If it were an honest display, it would only show 9 or 10 bars out of the original 12 bars. The diagnostic port information that Leaf Spy reads is the unadulterated information about the car and battery pack that only the dealership can access. It takes a awhile to decipher all of the many many features, (like how to register the tire pressure sensors in an alternate set of winter tires,) but it indeed does everything you might possibly need to do. Still haven't figured out how to tell the car that it is in Canada so that it will have daytime headlights. Bill D. On 1/10/2016 10:08 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: For some reason I can't find the archives. So here is a question. I'm under the impression you can get into the Leaf system to determine battery state. What tools do you need and has anyone gotten a new battery using this approach. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160110/1ca6078e/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] How to find the true state of a Leaf battery pack.
The main thing to be concerned about when buying used junk batteries, is that a lot of them could have been from crash tests or factory rejects which have the batteries shorted by Nissan engineers. As a result of the shorting the batteries are worthless. I have had many customers send me battery packs from different junkies to disassemble for them, they lost a lot of money as a result. The junkie isn't going to refund. Reversal on your credit card wont work unless you have had it shipped back, then you are on the "no sell" list that junkies subscribe to. You get what you pay for. I also notice all of the people on the forums asking about buying the Leaf or Volt batteries are the same ones who used to post how good the CALBs were. What happened, did the CALB's die? -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/How-to-find-the-true-state-of-a-Leaf-battery-pack-tp4679608p4679613.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Sizzling and steaming cooked (RIP) flooded battery ...
On 10 Jan 2016 at 2:18, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > It would be nice if there was a simple off-the-shelf > plug-n-play way to do the upgrade. I don't know whether they're still available, but at one time Valence offered U-Charge batteries, drop-in LiPo retrofits for various sizes of marine batteries. Supposedly they had electronics that "translated" a lead battery charger's profile to what the lithium needed. A few Solectria Force owners bought them. They were discussed a little on the Solectria Yahoo group. They required mighty deep pockets. When I priced out group 24 modules, they were $1500 each. A 144v 100ah pack would have cost $18,000. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Sizzling and steaming cooked (RIP) flooded battery ...
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Bob Rice used to call them "Trojan Teakettles." ;-) ...plus a few more colorful adjectives. :-) When I was running the C-car, I had a panel with 8 edgewise expanded-scale voltmeters to monitor individual batteries. (It's probably still somewhere in the garage.) I like Lee Hart's ideas here though. His Batt-bridge is a quick way to at least get a warning when something's wrong. http://www.evdl.org/pages/battbridge.html Thanks David. The Batt-Bridge is simple as dirt, yet will tell you if there's a stinker in the pack (though not which one). There's more about it at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm#battbridge I think I also recall him suggesting a line of simple LEDs, one for each battery. You can easily tell if one LED is significantly dimmer than the others. That's another very simple way to monitor a bunch of batteries. A small voltage change on an LED causes a big brightness change. The human eye is extremely sensitive to differences in brightness, so this is an easy way to spot even small differences. -- Knowledge is better than belief. Belief is when someone else does your thinking. -- anonymous -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] I do miss Bob Rice ......
Bill, Thanks for mentioning it. On the drive back from VA in my Leaf, I told my driving buddy to take it slow. I couldn't drive that slow (a bit under the speed limit), but my friend did, and it helped a lot. That was sometime I learned from Bob Rice long before I got an EV. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2015 CA pih-Green HOV Stickers> Limit-hit/ran-out
ee times
> previously,
> > with
> > > a 15,000-sticker increase being approved by California legislators
> > shortly
> > > after each time. The last such increase, approved in June of this
> year,
> > > increased the limit of green stickers from 70,000 to the current
> limit of
> > > 85,000. There is currently no legislation known being officially
> > considered
> > > to increase the current cap from 85,000.
> > >
> > > A recent study by UCLA's Luskin Center for Innovation concluded that
> 40
> > > percent of electric vehicles purchased in California from 2010 to
> 2013
> > were
> > > influenced by HOV-lane access incentives.
> > >
> > > If new legislation is not approved, predicting the precise effect of
> the
> > > lack of green HOV sticker availability on PHEV sales moving forward
> is
> > > difficult. However, manufacturers have in the past placed particular
> > > importance on ensuring their vehicles are eligible for such
> incentives.
> > >
> > > In Feb. 2012, Chevrolet announced mid-cycle tweaks to the emissions
> > system
> > > of the 2012 Chevy Volt that made it eligible for California purchase
> > > incentives as well as the much-coveted HOV-lane stickers.
> > >
> > > Prior to officially going on sale in the U.S. in 2014, BMW
> propositioned
> > > CARB to allow the range-extended (REx) version of the BMW i3 to be
> > eligible
> > > for white HOV sticker. The automaker went so far as to seek a new
> "BEVx"
> > > designation category for its i3 REx, which it succeeded in doing,
> though
> > > the
> > > REx version ended up being eligible for only the green HOV sticker.
> > >
> > > Potential buyers of PHEVs in California that had been making their
> > purchase
> > > contingent on receiving the green HOV stickers may now be forced to
> > > reconsider their options if new legislation for raising the current
> cap
> > is
> > > not announced.
> > > [(c) hybridcars.com]
> > > ...
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.contracostatimes.com/bay-area-news/ci_29295327/green-carpool-
> stickers-all-gone
> > > California's 85,000 green carpool stickers are all gone
> > > [December 22, 2015]
> > > ...
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.hybridcars.com/california-green-hov-stickers-for-phevs-almost
> -maxed-out-again/
> > > California Green HOV Stickers For PHEVs Almost Maxed Out - Again
> > > November 23, 2015
> > > ...
> > > [dated]
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.hybridcars.com/hov-access-is-key-for-california-plug-in-car-p
> urchases/
> > > HOV Access Is Key For California Plug-in Car Purchases
> > > July 14, 2014
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
> > > http://evdl.org/evln/
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> > >
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Shift low-cost PV electricity rates to the middle of the day
On 10 Jan 2016 at 10:52, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > So I would not invest in anything long term based on an assumption that > electricity is "cheap at night". I read recently that TOU metering in Uruguay, where 95% of the electricity is renewable, charges the highest rate between 5pm and 11pm. That's their peak demand period. I guess they must not use much air-con. (By their definition, "renewable" includes biomass. Many of their powerplants burn Eucalyptus wood.) David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] How to find the true state of a Leaf battery pack.
On 10 Jan 2016 at 17:08, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > For some reason I can't find the archives. They're still right where they've been since 2007: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Sizzling and steaming cooked (RIP) flooded battery ...
Bob Rice used to call them "Trojan Teakettles." ;-) When I was running the C-car, I had a panel with 8 edgewise expanded-scale voltmeters to monitor individual batteries. (It's probably still somewhere in the garage.) I like Lee Hart's ideas here though. His Batt-bridge is a quick way to at least get a warning when something's wrong. http://www.evdl.org/pages/battbridge.html I think I also recall him suggesting a line of simple LEDs, one for each battery. You can easily tell if one LED is significantly dimmer than the others. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] I do miss Bob Rice ......
Bob Rice used to call them "Trojan Teakettles." ;-) I do indeed miss Bob Rice. He couldn't speak a sentence that didn't include some colorful saying or witty malapropism. We each could tell countless stories about Bob Rice. Bill Dube' ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
