Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..
Thank you all.. So, from the CAN bus point of view it would be more a 'software' challenge and like some of you said; every model and even every vehicle version, may have different propietary protocols, etc. - We are talking of using a device like the one Collin suggests. Collin; I think it is ok to advertise as long it is usefull to people on this forum, like me. - This new device would totally replace the ECU module thru the CAN bus. - Would be a very clean and Pro. installation. Since software is easy to reproduce, cost could be really low once developed correctly. Cons: - There could be impossible/unsolved codes on certain models or vehicles. - every new vehicle-model would be a high cost-testing time to resolve. On the other hand; Simulate the engine would imply a 'hardware' challenge, plus some firmware development and as long the sensors doesn't change too much from one model or brand to another, it could be a possiblity to go? - Working on the engine sensors, would be mostly analog signals and some digital ones, easier to code and control - Could be a generic board, for several vehicles regardless the version of sensors, year, etc. - CAN bus after the ECU would be kept totally clean and orignal betewwn all devices. Cons: - More than 10 outputs to simluate all sensors required, maybe 20?. - Hardware PCB to design and manufacture and test on automitive environment Cor, thank you for those suggestions on the Sparkplugs and Cat converter. Something comes to my mind, doing the simulation board.. doesn´t necessarly need to have all sensors wired and simulated. It is like when some sensor fails (on a gas version), it triggers some DTCs and lights up the 'check engine' light, but but the vehicle still working. And as long our desired devices are working too (such steering, turn signals, AC, etc) in Gas version, then it should do on electric too. Collin, This CANDue is a fully free programmable unit I can put my code for replacing the ECU? I may contact you off list to get more details on this On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Tom Parker via EV wrote: > On 04/01/17 04:50, Collin Kidder via EV wrote: > > I don't think that generic sales pitches are acceptable on this list >> but since it is topically relevant I'd like to quickly mention that I >> am involved in the creation of many pieces of hardware and software to >> aid in these things. >> >> CANDue: http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=EVTVDue2&cat=23 >> SavvyCAN: http://www.savvycan.com >> > > Along these lines, the audio from https://xi.hope.net/schedule.h > tml#-2016-car-hacking-tools- is worth a listen and gives links to > http://opengarages.org/index.php/Tools (which includes Colin's SavvyCAN) > and other resources. > > More advanced, https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8131-dieselgate_a_year_later > shows how to glitch a VW ECU to bypass the flash read-protect and retrieve > a firmware image (also the technical Dieselgate information is interesting > but off topic). Going from a firmware image to an emulated ECU is probably > the hard way to make a modern car work without it's ICE. > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group > /NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/3837888a/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..
Collin, Great links, wish I had known about them for my Insight... thanks Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Collin Kidder via EV > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 8:50 AM > > CANDue: http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=EVTVDue2&cat=23 > SavvyCAN: http://www.savvycan.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
Thanks guys for all that great info. Lots of really good advice there. Happy to report both battery packs have now been safely removed and I am still alive! And looking forward to further discussions on the EVDL. Regards, Matthew 07966 806 727 On 3 January 2017 at 19:56, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Just in the past weeks I have been working on removing and installing > batteries. The key is to have non-lethal voltage as long as you can as > well as avoid short circuits. > When I dig into a Nissan Leaf pack (which I am now re-creating in a > different configuration in my EV truck's battery box) the first thing is > to break the connection between the different sub-packs so each is lower > voltage than the total (380V or 2x 190V as soon as you have pulled the > Service Disconnect mid-pack. > When re-assembling, I deliberately leave the straps/cables that > interconnect the sub-packs off until the very last moment, so I am only > dealing with sets that are about 72V each. > Then there are typically the exposed wire ends. If I can remove the > complete cable on both ends, I do the two ends while I am holding the > cable so there is no point in insulating it. If I need to attach one end > (because it is going into an inaccessible location) but can't attach the > other end yet, then I will wrap it in electrical tape that I can remove > when I am ready to attach the cable. > > When a sub-pack is still a very Lethal voltage, like the Nissan Leaf > having one set that is 190V, I check to see if there is a way I can > protect it (Leaf has 3 covers that go over the connections of this set, > so you can still limit your exposure) or a way to break the circuit, for > example removing the screws from a strap and pulling it up so it breaks > the set in two separate electrical circuits. > > Also: never work with two or more on the pack. If one touches something > on one side and the other person is working on the other side and they > touch each other or both touch the same conducting object (metal battery > box) then they get a nasty shock or worse. Even when working with your > own two hands, keep them together so you don't straddle a high voltage. > There is wisdom in the saying that when interacting with high voltage, > keep one hand behind your back. > Note that this advise is for when working with bare hands - I drop too > many screws when I try gloves and I hate wearing them, so I always work > with my bare hands - which requires me to work very careful. Also use a > Voltmeter to verify that a battery is isolated and not leaking to ground > (frame/enclosure) since that can still build up a nasty voltage. > The only moment I do wear gardeners gloves is to protect my hands from > sharp metal edges when carrying/handling heavy metal assemblies such as > lifting the sub-packs. > > Hope this helps, > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless > > office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water > XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info > > http://www.proxim.com > > This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and > proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received > this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any > unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of > this message is prohibited. > > > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:02 AM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety... > > Thos True wrote: > > Failing to insulated the exposed wires have been known to lead to some > > nasty burns (on crew and vehicle), as well as damaged batteries and > > battery boxes. Hope that this helps! > > That reminds me. Electrical cables have some nasty surprises that can > cause serious mischief. > > Batteries can deliver enormous short-circuit currents. If a cable does > flop around and short to something, the high current makes it into an > electromagnet. It can JUMP and squirm like a snake, and in the process > cause other shorts and mayhem. > > With a high short-circuit current, the insulation can melt off a wire in > > seconds. Now you have a BARE wire lying across your batteries. Or, if > that wire is bundled into a harness, the heat can melt the insulation > off the other wires, causing more short. Now Murphy really has some fun! > > And let's not even think about what happens if someone used cheap non > UL-listed wire with combustible insulation. > > Also, once a high voltage DC arc starts, it is hard to stop. It can > continue to arc across an amazing distance -- many inches when there's > enough molten metal and debris feeding into the arc. Also, an arc can > set melt or set just about anything on fire. > > So it pays to be extra careful! > > -- > "Hold my beer and watch this!" -- (script for a Youtube video for the > Darwin aw
Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..
On 04/01/17 04:50, Collin Kidder via EV wrote: I don't think that generic sales pitches are acceptable on this list but since it is topically relevant I'd like to quickly mention that I am involved in the creation of many pieces of hardware and software to aid in these things. CANDue: http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=EVTVDue2&cat=23 SavvyCAN: http://www.savvycan.com Along these lines, the audio from https://xi.hope.net/schedule.html#-2016-car-hacking-tools- is worth a listen and gives links to http://opengarages.org/index.php/Tools (which includes Colin's SavvyCAN) and other resources. More advanced, https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8131-dieselgate_a_year_later shows how to glitch a VW ECU to bypass the flash read-protect and retrieve a firmware image (also the technical Dieselgate information is interesting but off topic). Going from a firmware image to an emulated ECU is probably the hard way to make a modern car work without it's ICE. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] battery heating pads
I've used a number of things over the years. Insulation does a *lot* to reduce the power needed for heating/cooling. If you have 1" of styrafoam on all sides of your batteries, and you drive your EV every day, you probably won't need heaters. The waste heat produced by battery resistance during driving and charging should be sufficient to keep them warm. If you live in a hot climate, you may actually have to COOL them. Battery life is greatly reduced by high temperatures. 1. Plastic signboard with nichrome resistance wire threaded through the "tunnels". No good. I got hot spots that melted the plastic in some areas, and didn't provide enough heat in others. 2. Commercial battery heating "blanket", intended to wrap around an ICE's 12v starting battery. They produce lots of heat, since they have negligible insulation. A single 100w battery blanket was enough to heat an entire battery box with six golf cart batteries and 1" of styrafoam insulation. The blanket was flat, and stood on edge between the rows of batteries (3 batteries, blanket between them, 3 batteries). This worked pretty well with no thermostat (I just plugged it in when the battery got cold, not plugged in when they were warm). 3. Electric blanket, taken apart, with the resistance wire spread out around the battery box. The wire in modern electric blankets is actually a 2-conductor cable, with a carbon loaded material between them to act as a resistor. It automatically regulates its temperature at around 60-90 deg.F. Soil heating wire, and home floor heating wire have the same construction. This worked well, but you have to be *very* careful not to bend it sharply or pinch it (like having a battery sit directly on it). If you do, it will fail! 4. Nichrome resistance wire from an old electric blanket or battery heating pad: The single wire can produce hot spots, so I removed it from its packaging, and glued it to a sheet of aluminum the size of the floor of my battery box. Use high-temperature silicone rubber; the type used for sealing furnace ducts and flue pipes. This worked, but was messy and lumpy. I installed them aluminum side up, with a 1/2" thick sheet of styrafoam underneath it to act as a pad and prevent pinching the wire anywhere. Over time, battery acid (these were lead-acid flooded batteries) attacked the aluminum, though the heater still worked. 5. My most recent design used nichrome heating wire from a battery heating pad. I stuck it to an aluminum sheet with double-sided carpet tape, then put the whole thing in a polyethylene bag (2 sheets, heat-sealed at the edges). Then I potted it with a 2-part silicone rubber compound that would set even without air inside the bag (I used Dow Corning Sylgard 170). I mixed it, dumped it in the bag, and then sandwiched it between two pieces of carpet padding and piled old batteries on top to squeeze out the excess. That gave me an encapsulated waterproof acid-proof heating pad to put in the bottom of my battery boxes. -- Teaching children to program goes against the grain of modern education. Just imagine the chaos if they learned to think logically, plan, create, implement, test, and execute! -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
Just in the past weeks I have been working on removing and installing batteries. The key is to have non-lethal voltage as long as you can as well as avoid short circuits. When I dig into a Nissan Leaf pack (which I am now re-creating in a different configuration in my EV truck's battery box) the first thing is to break the connection between the different sub-packs so each is lower voltage than the total (380V or 2x 190V as soon as you have pulled the Service Disconnect mid-pack. When re-assembling, I deliberately leave the straps/cables that interconnect the sub-packs off until the very last moment, so I am only dealing with sets that are about 72V each. Then there are typically the exposed wire ends. If I can remove the complete cable on both ends, I do the two ends while I am holding the cable so there is no point in insulating it. If I need to attach one end (because it is going into an inaccessible location) but can't attach the other end yet, then I will wrap it in electrical tape that I can remove when I am ready to attach the cable. When a sub-pack is still a very Lethal voltage, like the Nissan Leaf having one set that is 190V, I check to see if there is a way I can protect it (Leaf has 3 covers that go over the connections of this set, so you can still limit your exposure) or a way to break the circuit, for example removing the screws from a strap and pulling it up so it breaks the set in two separate electrical circuits. Also: never work with two or more on the pack. If one touches something on one side and the other person is working on the other side and they touch each other or both touch the same conducting object (metal battery box) then they get a nasty shock or worse. Even when working with your own two hands, keep them together so you don't straddle a high voltage. There is wisdom in the saying that when interacting with high voltage, keep one hand behind your back. Note that this advise is for when working with bare hands - I drop too many screws when I try gloves and I hate wearing them, so I always work with my bare hands - which requires me to work very careful. Also use a Voltmeter to verify that a battery is isolated and not leaking to ground (frame/enclosure) since that can still build up a nasty voltage. The only moment I do wear gardeners gloves is to protect my hands from sharp metal edges when carrying/handling heavy metal assemblies such as lifting the sub-packs. Hope this helps, Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:02 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety... Thos True wrote: > Failing to insulated the exposed wires have been known to lead to some > nasty burns (on crew and vehicle), as well as damaged batteries and > battery boxes. Hope that this helps! That reminds me. Electrical cables have some nasty surprises that can cause serious mischief. Batteries can deliver enormous short-circuit currents. If a cable does flop around and short to something, the high current makes it into an electromagnet. It can JUMP and squirm like a snake, and in the process cause other shorts and mayhem. With a high short-circuit current, the insulation can melt off a wire in seconds. Now you have a BARE wire lying across your batteries. Or, if that wire is bundled into a harness, the heat can melt the insulation off the other wires, causing more short. Now Murphy really has some fun! And let's not even think about what happens if someone used cheap non UL-listed wire with combustible insulation. Also, once a high voltage DC arc starts, it is hard to stop. It can continue to arc across an amazing distance -- many inches when there's enough molten metal and debris feeding into the arc. Also, an arc can set melt or set just about anything on fire. So it pays to be extra careful! -- "Hold my beer and watch this!" -- (script for a Youtube video for the Darwin award) -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] battery heating pads
We have had excellent results using water bed heaters in our projects. -Tom On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Rick Beebe via EV wrote: > I have 4 battery boxes for my LiFePo4 cells. Two hold 8 cells, one holds > 12, and the big one holds 28. They are aluminum boxes I had made by > customaluminumboxes.com and I oversized them 2" in all directions. I put > 1" foam insulation around the batteries. I bought 10 battery heating pads > from KTA. They're some kind of mica sheets with heating elements in them > sized to fit under a 12v starter battery. I put one each in the small > boxes, 2 in the medium box and 6 in the large box with the cells sitting on > top of them. I heat them from shoreline power when the truck is plugged in. > I figure I want the batteries warm when I leave for better range and the > insulation will help them stay warm during my travels. They worked great > BUT failed partway through the third winter. My big box had too much flex > and the brittle panels broke. > > The pads in the little boxes were fine so I replaced the 6 pads in the big > box with two of these silicone rubber heating pads: > http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=batheater&cat=16. Very expensive > but flexible. So far they're working well. > > --Rick > > > > On 1/3/2017 1:59 AM, ken via EV wrote: > >> whats a good for heating batteries ? >> water bed heater pad ? >> What else could be used? >> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group > /NEDRA) > > -- Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass is merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/545bc8cd/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
On 3 Jan 2017 at 12:01, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > Batteries can deliver enormous short-circuit currents. This is where I refer you to the story of how former EVDLer John "Plasma Boy" Wayland got his nickname (short version). http://evdl.org/pages/plasmaboy.html Please read it! It could save your life. John's an entertaining writer, but there's nothing funny about this tale. A good EV battery can easily deliver around 300kW for some minutes. That's about as much power as 6 to 12 typical home power systems! Some EV batteries can produce even more than that. The amount of raw power on tap is just stupefying. It demands deep respect. John's lucky he wasn't incinerated, along with his bystanders, his car, his garage, and his house. Please, read his story, and learn from his mistake. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
On 3 Jan 2017 at 15:29, Matthew Quitter via EV wrote: > Tried replying to a couple of conversations and it didn't work. Sorry about that. Like everything else connected to email these days, the EVDL has spam filters. And like all spam filters, sometimes they get a little over-enthusiastic and zap messages that aren't really spam. I know it happens, because I've had a few of my own messages bumped. :-\ If you have a problem like this, please forward the messages you tried to post. Send them to me (complete with headers if possible) at the address on this page: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#supt I'll try to figure out what might be sidelining your posts. Thanks. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
On 3 Jan 2017 at 7:57, Jim Walls via EV wrote: > This list is set up so that replies go to the originator rather than back to > the list. Well, not exactly. The "reply to list" flag is indeed set on the EVDL software. However, there are some email clients that still want to direct the reply to the original poster. Thus you're right that in some email systems, though not all, you may still have to hit the "reply to all" button. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..
different sensors). But it would be a nice device > if > same vehicle is beeing converted, like in a fleet project. > > - The second thing, would be to go on a higher leve of > microcomputer-microcontroller design that would allow to talk to many of > other units on the vehicle thru the CAN bus, trying to replace those > specific commands and data generated by the ICE, needed by those devices > to > correctly operate, Such RPM and speed for the electric power steering as > example. > > The challenge here would be that, like the one before; every model and > vehicle brand, has propietary CAN communication protocols that would be > a > monumental job to reverse engineer and interpret those codes, isn't it? > > > I'm not so familiar with automotive CAN procols altough I undestand CAN > bus > at the communication/physical level. > > Any thougths or suggestions? > > > Marco Gaxiola > EnergyEV.com > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/4914 > d072/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Offer: DCP Raptor 600
; Jay > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170102/2319 8ac6/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/311d8215/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] battery heating pads
I have 4 battery boxes for my LiFePo4 cells. Two hold 8 cells, one holds 12, and the big one holds 28. They are aluminum boxes I had made by customaluminumboxes.com and I oversized them 2" in all directions. I put 1" foam insulation around the batteries. I bought 10 battery heating pads from KTA. They're some kind of mica sheets with heating elements in them sized to fit under a 12v starter battery. I put one each in the small boxes, 2 in the medium box and 6 in the large box with the cells sitting on top of them. I heat them from shoreline power when the truck is plugged in. I figure I want the batteries warm when I leave for better range and the insulation will help them stay warm during my travels. They worked great BUT failed partway through the third winter. My big box had too much flex and the brittle panels broke. The pads in the little boxes were fine so I replaced the 6 pads in the big box with two of these silicone rubber heating pads: http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=batheater&cat=16. Very expensive but flexible. So far they're working well. --Rick On 1/3/2017 1:59 AM, ken via EV wrote: whats a good for heating batteries ? water bed heater pad ? What else could be used? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] The Incandescent Inferno
> I used a lightbulb to test the Curtis 1231C controller > and it was able to control the bulb when I pressed on the throttle, so... I’m reminded of my post last summer I painted the bottom of my hood white for two reasons: 1) mounted two 60W (equivalent) 120v LED bulbs on it (powered from 120v traction battery). With the hood up, I can see everywhere without shadows for troubleshooting... 2) Also mounted a set of nine 600W theater lights (total 5600W load) with a bypass switch from the motor controller for testing and woo-wooing the neighborhood Actually, the dimmable LED's have an A/B switch for either connection to the battery (troubleshooting at night) or motor. Even with the hood closed. The woo-woo illumination leakage from under the hood of the LED's connected to the motor should leave no doubt that its an EV under the hood. Or I can open the hood and flip the other switch to the 5000W theatre lights and woo-woo the entire area. What's the use having an EV unless you can make sure everyone sees it is electric... But alas, this is a retirement project and it is not road ready yet... still waiting for a 1.21 jiggawatt flux capacitor.. Actually, the photos on the web show some nice designs just three LED dome lights and some pizzaz should look nice... Bob, WB4APR ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..
d to find other threads about this subject but did not find any, > at > least not recently. So I decided to post this one, hope that someone has > already face this problem and become able to fully convert newer models > without affect most OEM features from the vehicle. > > If someone has done this, please share your experience. But if not, let > me > explain my thoughs and share your comments/feedback of what you think or > suggest me to do: > > - My first idea is to design a small PCB with a micro on it, that would > simulate most ot the analog and digital signals that the ECM needs from > all > the sensors on the gas engine to keep it running like the water > temperature > sensor, oil pressure, cranckshaft sensor, oxigen and manifold sensors > (MAF > and MAP), etc. My theory is that this could be a simple way (since most > sensors are analog 0-12V, 0-5V of On/off outputs) that are not so > complex > to emulate, and doing this way; the ECM would believe the ICE is there > running all fine and perfectly. > > Of course, the algorithm and maybe some of the simulated PCB outputs > would have to be changed on every different model of vehicle. (every > manufacturer uses many different sensors). But it would be a nice device > if > same vehicle is beeing converted, like in a fleet project. > > - The second thing, would be to go on a higher leve of > microcomputer-microcontroller design that would allow to talk to many of > other units on the vehicle thru the CAN bus, trying to replace those > specific commands and data generated by the ICE, needed by those devices > to > correctly operate, Such RPM and speed for the electric power steering as > example. > > The challenge here would be that, like the one before; every model and > vehicle brand, has propietary CAN communication protocols that would be > a > monumental job to reverse engineer and interpret those codes, isn't it? > > > I'm not so familiar with automotive CAN procols altough I undestand CAN > bus > at the communication/physical level. > > Any thougths or suggestions? > > > Marco Gaxiola > EnergyEV.com > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/4914 > d072/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
Thos True wrote: Failing to insulated the exposed wires have been known to lead to some nasty burns (on crew and vehicle), as well as damaged batteries and battery boxes. Hope that this helps! That reminds me. Electrical cables have some nasty surprises that can cause serious mischief. Batteries can deliver enormous short-circuit currents. If a cable does flop around and short to something, the high current makes it into an electromagnet. It can JUMP and squirm like a snake, and in the process cause other shorts and mayhem. With a high short-circuit current, the insulation can melt off a wire in seconds. Now you have a BARE wire lying across your batteries. Or, if that wire is bundled into a harness, the heat can melt the insulation off the other wires, causing more short. Now Murphy really has some fun! And let's not even think about what happens if someone used cheap non UL-listed wire with combustible insulation. Also, once a high voltage DC arc starts, it is hard to stop. It can continue to arc across an amazing distance -- many inches when there's enough molten metal and debris feeding into the arc. Also, an arc can set melt or set just about anything on fire. So it pays to be extra careful! -- "Hold my beer and watch this!" -- (script for a Youtube video for the Darwin award) -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
Matthew Quitter wrote: I've been using a small styrofoam cup as quick insulation... didn't seem adequate. That does seem a bit risky. Not very strong, and falls off easily. So there's no product that anyone sells that's built for purpose? No doubt someone sells an (expensive) custom product for it. A rubber sleeve with some sort of oneway binding that allows the cable to be inserted easily but stops it falling off unless tugged. I use ad hoc solutions. If I can't find a piece of heat-shrink tubing or hose that's a snug fit, or am worried that it might fall off, I'll just tape it on. -- Teaching children to program goes against the grain of modern education. Just imagine the chaos if they learned to think logically, plan, create, implement, test, and execute! -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Regen on AC Inverter
ROBERT wrote: Thanks. Lee. I need to study your reply. I need to get to work. You're welcome! This is a complicated subject. Remember, electric motors and inverters have had 100+ years of development by some of the brightest minds in science and engineering -- all the way from Edison, Tesla, and Steinmetz to Alan Cocconi and J.B Straubel today. You're not going to pick all of that up quickly. Truly, we stand on the shoulders of giants. What helped me get past all the competing theories and confusing descriptions was to do my own little experiments and tests. I got an old 4-channel audio amplifier, and an assortment of little 24vac AC motors (aircraft motors, TV antenna rotator motors, etc.) I generated AC waveforms with hardware circuits on a solderless breadboard (and later, a little microcomputer). I amplified them and applied them to the motors. I rigged a motor-generator setup with a DC generator as the output, so I could easily load it and measure power. I measure things with an oscilloscope and a motley collection of meters. A few things I learned: - You don't need expensive equipment. I probably spent less than $200-$300 on the whole thing. - Audio amplifiers wildly exaggerate the power they can provide. (I blew out a lot of output transistors.) - There is only about a 10% efficiency benefit from perfect sinewaves vs. plain old "modified square wave" inverters. - The benefits from "smart" inverter algorithms (that carefully optimize the precise voltage, frequency, and waveform) are in the "corner" cases -- starting from a dead stop, minimizing noise or torque pulsations, etc. "Close" is good enough for just driving down the road. - Getting honest AC measurements is tricky. It's easy to get fooled by cheap meters and bad measurement technique. - Consumer-grade motors have low efficiency (like 70%), no matter how you drive them (no magic efficiency cures). Once I had a intuitive understanding of how it all worked, I built a big SCR inverter and used it to drive a 15KW aircraft alternator as a motor. I ran this in one of my homebuilt EVs. It worked, but wasn't any better than a plain old forklift motor and PWM controller. The technology was too early, I was too inexperienced, and I didn't have the resources (budget) to perfect it. -- Teaching children to program goes against the grain of modern education. Just imagine the chaos if they learned to think logically, plan, create, implement, test, and execute! -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
On Tue Jan 03 07:57:02 PST 2017 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >This list is set up so that replies go to the originator rather than back >to the list. If you don't remember to manually add the list into the Only if your Email reader is broken. List msgs have a Reply-To: header that includes both the list and the original sender. (Personally, I'd rather it be List only, as the original sender is about 99.999% likely to be receiving the list msgs, and they don't really need to see the same msg twice.) -- Worlds only All Electric F-250 truck! http://john.casadelgato.com/Electric-Vehicles/1995-Ford-F-250 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
Matt, Having been involved with building (and rebuilding), and racing EV's for a couple of decades, I have found the heat shrink tube method preferable, but in situations where this is not readily available, other methods also work. The two most common are wrapping the exposed ends in at least 2 layers of #33 or #88 electrical tape, or using the fingers cut from rubber coated gloves taped in place with whatever tape you have available (racetrack example here!). Failing to insulated the exposed wires have been known to lead to some nasty burns (on crew and vehicle), as well as damaged batteries and battery boxes. Hope that this helps! -Tom True On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Matthew Quitter via EV wrote: > Thanks for your reply. Great that I can now interact with the list. Have > enjoyed being a spectator for a while but wanted to get involved. > > I've been using a small styrofoam cup as quick insulation... didn't seem > adequate. > > So there's no product that anyone sells that's built for purpose? > > A rubber sleeve with some sort of oneway binding that allows the cable to > be inserted easily but stops it falling off unless tugged. > > Have searched online but only found domestic small cabling solutions. > > > On 3 Jan 2017, at 16:56, Lee Hart wrote: > > > > Matthew Quitter via EV wrote: > >> I was wondering what people do to insulate the ends of live HV cables > during installation and removal? Stop them accidentally touching something. > > > > I slide on a piece of heat-shrink tubing (small wires) or a piece of > rubber hose (big wires or terminals). > > > > -- > > Teaching children to program goes against the grain of modern education. > > Just imagine the chaos if they learned to think logically, plan, create, > > implement, test, and execute! > > -- > > Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > group/NEDRA) > > -- Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass is merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/8485857a/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
Thanks for your reply. Great that I can now interact with the list. Have enjoyed being a spectator for a while but wanted to get involved. I've been using a small styrofoam cup as quick insulation... didn't seem adequate. So there's no product that anyone sells that's built for purpose? A rubber sleeve with some sort of oneway binding that allows the cable to be inserted easily but stops it falling off unless tugged. Have searched online but only found domestic small cabling solutions. > On 3 Jan 2017, at 16:56, Lee Hart wrote: > > Matthew Quitter via EV wrote: >> I was wondering what people do to insulate the ends of live HV cables during >> installation and removal? Stop them accidentally touching something. > > I slide on a piece of heat-shrink tubing (small wires) or a piece of rubber > hose (big wires or terminals). > > -- > Teaching children to program goes against the grain of modern education. > Just imagine the chaos if they learned to think logically, plan, create, > implement, test, and execute! > -- > Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
Matthew Quitter via EV wrote: I was wondering what people do to insulate the ends of live HV cables during installation and removal? Stop them accidentally touching something. I slide on a piece of heat-shrink tubing (small wires) or a piece of rubber hose (big wires or terminals). -- Teaching children to program goes against the grain of modern education. Just imagine the chaos if they learned to think logically, plan, create, implement, test, and execute! -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
Jim Walls via EV wrote: This list is set up so that replies go to the originator rather than back to the list. If you don't remember to manually add the list into the address (or use "Reply all"), the list won't get the message. My personal opinion is that this is a dumb way to set up a list, but this is not my list, so I don't make that decision. None of mine are set up this way... Interesting. When I hit "reply" (like to this email), the reply automatically goes to *both* the EVDL list *and* to whoever sent the original post (in this case to . I find this convenient, because if I want the reply to *only* go to the list, I can delete the original poster's address. Or if I want my reply to go only to him, I can delete the EVDL address. -- Teaching children to program goes against the grain of modern education. Just imagine the chaos if they learned to think logically, plan, create, implement, test, and execute! -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
Matthew Quitter via EV wrote: Firstly, does anyone get this? Tried replying to a couple of conversations and it didn't work. Hi Matthew, Yes, it arrived in my email IN box nice and clear. You're connected! :-) -- Teaching children to program goes against the grain of modern education. Just imagine the chaos if they learned to think logically, plan, create, implement, test, and execute! -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
Thanks Jim, think it worked this time! Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Jan 2017, at 15:57, Jim Walls via EV wrote: > > This list is set up so that replies go to the originator rather than back > to the list. If you don't remember to manually add the list into the > address (or use "Reply all"), the list won't get the message. My personal > opinion is that this is a dumb way to set up a list, but this is not my > list, so I don't make that decision. None of mine are set up this way... > > Jim > > > > > > From: Matthew Quitter via EV > Firstly, does anyone > get this? Tried replying to a couple of conversations >> and it didn't work. >> >> Thanks, >> Matthew > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
That's great, and I'm in the UK too! I was wondering what people do to insulate the ends of live HV cables during installation and removal? Stop them accidentally touching something. I'm about to remove a battery pack from an EV conversion. Regards, Matthew > On 3 Jan 2017, at 15:42, Russ Sciville wrote: > > Yep (from the UK) > > Russ > > > From: Matthew Quitter via EV > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2017, 15:29 > Subject: [EVDL] Electrical Safety... > > Firstly, does anyone get this? Tried replying to a couple of conversations > and it didn't work. > > Thanks, > Matthew > > 07966 806 727 > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/47d9be65/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/c63a6673/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] battery heating pads
I use soil heating cable. It has a built-in 75 degree F thermostat. I usually just heat the batteries from AC when charging, but I also keep a small 200 watt inverter in the car in case I need it to power the cables from 12V DC. Bill -Original Message- From: "John Lussmyer via EV" Sent: 1/3/2017 10:41 AM To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Subject: [EVDL] battery heating pads On Mon Jan 02 22:59:41 PST 2017 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >whats a good for heating batteries ? >water bed heater pad ? >What else could be used? Many things. One thing I used some Lead Acid batteries was Gutter Ice melting cable. This is a special cable that has a PTC plastic between the wires, so you apply power, and it will self-limit to a reasonable temperature. I found that 120VAC cable would self limit to about 70 deg F when driven with 156V DC. -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/1aa764b4/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
This list is set up so that replies go to the originator rather than back to the list. If you don't remember to manually add the list into the address (or use "Reply all"), the list won't get the message. My personal opinion is that this is a dumb way to set up a list, but this is not my list, so I don't make that decision. None of mine are set up this way... Jim From: Matthew Quitter via EV > Firstly, does anyone get this? Tried replying to a couple of conversations > and it didn't work. > > Thanks, > Matthew ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...
Yep (from the UK) Russ From: Matthew Quitter via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2017, 15:29 Subject: [EVDL] Electrical Safety... Firstly, does anyone get this? Tried replying to a couple of conversations and it didn't work. Thanks, Matthew 07966 806 727 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/47d9be65/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/c12b7819/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..
design that would allow to talk to many of >> other units on the vehicle thru the CAN bus, trying to replace those >> specific commands and data generated by the ICE, needed by those devices to >> correctly operate, Such RPM and speed for the electric power steering as >> example. >> >> The challenge here would be that, like the one before; every model and >> vehicle brand, has propietary CAN communication protocols that would be a >> monumental job to reverse engineer and interpret those codes, isn't it? >> >> >> I'm not so familiar with automotive CAN procols altough I undestand CAN bus >> at the communication/physical level. >> >> Any thougths or suggestions? >> >> >> Marco Gaxiola >> EnergyEV.com >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/4914d072/attachment.htm> >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] battery heating pads
On Mon Jan 02 22:59:41 PST 2017 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >whats a good for heating batteries ? >water bed heater pad ? >What else could be used? Many things. One thing I used some Lead Acid batteries was Gutter Ice melting cable. This is a special cable that has a PTC plastic between the wires, so you apply power, and it will self-limit to a reasonable temperature. I found that 120VAC cable would self limit to about 70 deg F when driven with 156V DC. -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Keeping Ken warm : Whats a good for heating batteries?
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Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..
I have never done it myself but I have heard of many people doing this. They get a can bus logger and log the data as they do various things in the vehicle, like brake, shift gears, etc. then they look at the data to what's changing. It's a grueling process but effective. My friend hooked up a logic analyzer that decodes can and figured out quite a fed codes on his iMiEV. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:02 AM, Marco Gaxiola via EV wrote: > > I'm in the middle of a 2013 EV conversion project (well is not a very > recent), but as some of you may know; newer vehicles comes with more and > more electronics that operation of some devices and features of the vehicle > relies on the ICE data and information being generated by the ECM (OEM > computer) thru the CAN Bus. > > When you convert a vehicle like this, you face some problems by the > abscence of the running engine such: > - non electric powered steering. > - non operation of the AC unit (assuming the AC compressor and everything > is there like original). > - non working turn signals.(some models with digital turn signals) > - missing gauges on the instrument cluster like RPMs, speedometer, etc. > plus a bunch of red and amber known warning lights on. (and of course a lot > of DTC codes when reading the OBD port) > - etc... > > I tryed to find other threads about this subject but did not find any, at > least not recently. So I decided to post this one, hope that someone has > already face this problem and become able to fully convert newer models > without affect most OEM features from the vehicle. > > If someone has done this, please share your experience. But if not, let me > explain my thoughs and share your comments/feedback of what you think or > suggest me to do: > > - My first idea is to design a small PCB with a micro on it, that would > simulate most ot the analog and digital signals that the ECM needs from all > the sensors on the gas engine to keep it running like the water temperature > sensor, oil pressure, cranckshaft sensor, oxigen and manifold sensors (MAF > and MAP), etc. My theory is that this could be a simple way (since most > sensors are analog 0-12V, 0-5V of On/off outputs) that are not so complex > to emulate, and doing this way; the ECM would believe the ICE is there > running all fine and perfectly. > > Of course, the algorithm and maybe some of the simulated PCB outputs > would have to be changed on every different model of vehicle. (every > manufacturer uses many different sensors). But it would be a nice device if > same vehicle is beeing converted, like in a fleet project. > > - The second thing, would be to go on a higher leve of > microcomputer-microcontroller design that would allow to talk to many of > other units on the vehicle thru the CAN bus, trying to replace those > specific commands and data generated by the ICE, needed by those devices to > correctly operate, Such RPM and speed for the electric power steering as > example. > > The challenge here would be that, like the one before; every model and > vehicle brand, has propietary CAN communication protocols that would be a > monumental job to reverse engineer and interpret those codes, isn't it? > > > I'm not so familiar with automotive CAN procols altough I undestand CAN bus > at the communication/physical level. > > Any thougths or suggestions? > > > Marco Gaxiola > EnergyEV.com > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/4914d072/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Electrical Safety...
Firstly, does anyone get this? Tried replying to a couple of conversations and it didn't work. Thanks, Matthew 07966 806 727 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/47d9be65/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Offer: DCP Raptor 600
I've been running the DCP 1200 in my Datsun for almost 8 years. www.evalbum.com/1366<http://www.evalbum.com/1366>. Thanks; Dennis From: EV on behalf of Mike Beem via EV Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 6:28 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Offer: DCP Raptor 600 That was the *GOOD* DCP controller; I had an early one in my first real conversion (http://www.evalbum.com/238) which had a 192v lead acid pack. I Michael Bearden's 1983 BMW 320iS - evalbum.com<http://www.evalbum.com/238> www.evalbum.com Owner: Michael Bearden: Owner's Other EVs: 1958 Gogomobile 1987 Ford Escort: Location: Petaluma, California US map: Email: Vehicle: 1983 BMW 320iS: Motor: General ... made the mistake of "upgrading" to the 1200. And, as Cor said, the capacitors are definitely the common failure point. Adding to the flea market here, I have a PFC-30 charger available to sell, (which has just been back through the Manzanita shop) along with a complete licensed EV (http://www.evalbum.com/4181) with (!) California HOV stickers. Michael's 1987 Ford Escort - evalbum.com<http://www.evalbum.com/4181> www.evalbum.com Owner: Michael Bearden: Owner's Other EVs: 1983 BMW 320iS 1958 Gogomobile: Location: Petaluma, California US map: Email: Vehicle: 1987 Ford Escort Wagon EscortEV ... Michael B On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > I have a DCP Raptor 600 sitting in my garage, including a set of > capacitors for replacement as that seems to be what causes the Raptor to > eventually fail. There are versions that are upgraded to 1200 Amps but > this is the original 600A. It is spec'ed for a 156V pack, meaning that > it can handle a peak voltage of 200V. > It is used and was working, it has a Hall-effect throttle control > (included) > Make me an offer. > Regards, > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless > > office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water > XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info > > http://www.proxim.com Proxim - Wireless Broadband, Backhaul Solutions and Access ...<http://www.proxim.com/> www.proxim.com Proxim Wireless offers licensed and unlicensed point to point, backhaul, bridge, point to multipoint, wireless broadband and wireless access points. > > This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and > proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received > this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any > unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of > this message is prohibited. > > > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Jay Summet via > EV > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 7:53 PM > To: Lee Hart; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Blew my Curtis 1231C Controller - repair procedures? > > > > > > It ain't easy to fix the Curtis 1231C, but it is possible (I've done > > it). A lot depends on just how much damage was done when it failed. It > > might be worse opening it up to take a look. If not too badly damaged, > > get it fixed. > > > > I've been doing a lot of reading about that today ;> > > I feel that I could handle swapping out the diodes and mosfets. But I > don't want to mess with the logic board. This may be a project to try > out after I get the truck back on the road with a replacement > controller, just to have a spare/backup controller. > > Jay > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170102/23198ac6/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http:/
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20170103
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Which-used-EV-should-you-buy-gt-i3-Soul-Leaf-Zoe-Tesla-S-e-Golf-td4685240.html EVLN: Which used EV should you buy?> (i3, Soul, Leaf, Zoe, Tesla-S, e-Golf) Used electric cars: should you buy one? ... As electric vehicles (EVs) become more popular, there are more models ... Buying a used conventional car can be difficult enough, but if you're ... If neither of these options are open to you, then you'll be reliant on the UK's EV charging network ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-donald-owned-a-Tesla-S-EV-gt-garaged-w-Ferrari-Maybach-MBenz-amp-RollsRoyce-ice-td4685239.html EVLN: donald owned a Tesla-S EV> garaged w/ Ferrari,Maybach,MBenz& RollsRoyce ice Donald Trump owned two American cars; one was a Tesla But Trump has owned at least one electric car. Last year, his campaign told The Washington Post that a Tesla was one of two American-made cars ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-EVs-must-constantly-monitor-their-cells-gt-Else-fires-like-Samsung-Note7-phones-td4685238.html EVLN: EVs must constantly monitor their cells> (Else fires like Samsung Note7 phones) New Electric Vehicle Battery Sensor Design Could Reduce EV Costs Battery-powered electric vehicles utilize electricity that is stored in a battery pack to power an electric motor which then drives the wheels forward. Once the ... + http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Gov-uk-crackdown-on-rip-off-7-50-per-half-hour-EVSE-charges-for-electric-cars-td4685237.html Gov.uk crackdown on rip-off £7.50 per half-hour EVSE charges for electric cars Ministers are preparing to tackle overpriced electric car charging amid fears that it can cost as much to run a green vehicle as a conventional diesel ... Extortionate electric car charging costs to be reined in ... The government is planning to attack excessive charges for electric car ... rules ... (2017) to make costs for charging cars “consistent and transparent” ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Dealing-with-EVs-that-hog-EVSE-nz-gt-Tow-away-laws-amp-signage-works-best-td4685236.html Dealing with EVs that hog EVSE.nz> (Tow-away laws& signage works best) Vector to deal with electric cars that hog charging spaces The problem, in this case, is some owners of electric vehicles treat charging stations outside Vector's Auckland head office as free car parks ... http://evdl.org/evln/ For all EVLN EV-newswire posts {brucedp.neocities.org} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-EV-newswire-posts-for-20170103-tp4685241.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..
sensors are analog 0-12V, 0-5V of On/off outputs) that are not so complex to emulate, and doing this way; the ECM would believe the ICE is there running all fine and perfectly. Of course, the algorithm and maybe some of the simulated PCB outputs would have to be changed on every different model of vehicle. (every manufacturer uses many different sensors). But it would be a nice device if same vehicle is beeing converted, like in a fleet project. - The second thing, would be to go on a higher leve of microcomputer-microcontroller design that would allow to talk to many of other units on the vehicle thru the CAN bus, trying to replace those specific commands and data generated by the ICE, needed by those devices to correctly operate, Such RPM and speed for the electric power steering as example. The challenge here would be that, like the one before; every model and vehicle brand, has propietary CAN communication protocols that would be a monumental job to reverse engineer and interpret those codes, isn't it? I'm not so familiar with automotive CAN procols altough I undestand CAN bus at the communication/physical level. Any thougths or suggestions? Marco Gaxiola EnergyEV.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/4914 d072/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..
This is a problem we all have even when replacing faulty CAN controlled modules as they are "keyed" to the cars ECU. One of my EV home builds used a kit car as the basis and has a Ford electric power steering column. It was inactive until the supplier of the kit put me in touch with a guy that makes a small module which takes in a speed reference and fools the steering CAN bus that it is talking to an ECU. The speed reference firms up the steering as speed increases. EV projects using a modern car may be a real bitch to get the simple parts to operate as CAN messaging is very bespoke to the manufacturer and maybe down to the model. Might be better to ignore the engine running enabled parts and replace with parts from the kit car scene. From: Marco Gaxiola via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2017, 8:02 Subject: [EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work.. I'm in the middle of a 2013 EV conversion project (well is not a very recent), but as some of you may know; newer vehicles comes with more and more electronics that operation of some devices and features of the vehicle relies on the ICE data and information being generated by the ECM (OEM computer) thru the CAN Bus. When you convert a vehicle like this, you face some problems by the abscence of the running engine such: - non electric powered steering. - non operation of the AC unit (assuming the AC compressor and everything is there like original). - non working turn signals.(some models with digital turn signals) - missing gauges on the instrument cluster like RPMs, speedometer, etc. plus a bunch of red and amber known warning lights on. (and of course a lot of DTC codes when reading the OBD port) - etc... I tryed to find other threads about this subject but did not find any, at least not recently. So I decided to post this one, hope that someone has already face this problem and become able to fully convert newer models without affect most OEM features from the vehicle. If someone has done this, please share your experience. But if not, let me explain my thoughs and share your comments/feedback of what you think or suggest me to do: - My first idea is to design a small PCB with a micro on it, that would simulate most ot the analog and digital signals that the ECM needs from all the sensors on the gas engine to keep it running like the water temperature sensor, oil pressure, cranckshaft sensor, oxigen and manifold sensors (MAF and MAP), etc. My theory is that this could be a simple way (since most sensors are analog 0-12V, 0-5V of On/off outputs) that are not so complex to emulate, and doing this way; the ECM would believe the ICE is there running all fine and perfectly. Of course, the algorithm and maybe some of the simulated PCB outputs would have to be changed on every different model of vehicle. (every manufacturer uses many different sensors). But it would be a nice device if same vehicle is beeing converted, like in a fleet project. - The second thing, would be to go on a higher leve of microcomputer-microcontroller design that would allow to talk to many of other units on the vehicle thru the CAN bus, trying to replace those specific commands and data generated by the ICE, needed by those devices to correctly operate, Such RPM and speed for the electric power steering as example. The challenge here would be that, like the one before; every model and vehicle brand, has propietary CAN communication protocols that would be a monumental job to reverse engineer and interpret those codes, isn't it? I'm not so familiar with automotive CAN procols altough I undestand CAN bus at the communication/physical level. Any thougths or suggestions? Marco Gaxiola EnergyEV.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/4914d072/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/5ae98839/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Recent Model EV Conversion - CAN and accesories to work..
I'm in the middle of a 2013 EV conversion project (well is not a very recent), but as some of you may know; newer vehicles comes with more and more electronics that operation of some devices and features of the vehicle relies on the ICE data and information being generated by the ECM (OEM computer) thru the CAN Bus. When you convert a vehicle like this, you face some problems by the abscence of the running engine such: - non electric powered steering. - non operation of the AC unit (assuming the AC compressor and everything is there like original). - non working turn signals.(some models with digital turn signals) - missing gauges on the instrument cluster like RPMs, speedometer, etc. plus a bunch of red and amber known warning lights on. (and of course a lot of DTC codes when reading the OBD port) - etc... I tryed to find other threads about this subject but did not find any, at least not recently. So I decided to post this one, hope that someone has already face this problem and become able to fully convert newer models without affect most OEM features from the vehicle. If someone has done this, please share your experience. But if not, let me explain my thoughs and share your comments/feedback of what you think or suggest me to do: - My first idea is to design a small PCB with a micro on it, that would simulate most ot the analog and digital signals that the ECM needs from all the sensors on the gas engine to keep it running like the water temperature sensor, oil pressure, cranckshaft sensor, oxigen and manifold sensors (MAF and MAP), etc. My theory is that this could be a simple way (since most sensors are analog 0-12V, 0-5V of On/off outputs) that are not so complex to emulate, and doing this way; the ECM would believe the ICE is there running all fine and perfectly. Of course, the algorithm and maybe some of the simulated PCB outputs would have to be changed on every different model of vehicle. (every manufacturer uses many different sensors). But it would be a nice device if same vehicle is beeing converted, like in a fleet project. - The second thing, would be to go on a higher leve of microcomputer-microcontroller design that would allow to talk to many of other units on the vehicle thru the CAN bus, trying to replace those specific commands and data generated by the ICE, needed by those devices to correctly operate, Such RPM and speed for the electric power steering as example. The challenge here would be that, like the one before; every model and vehicle brand, has propietary CAN communication protocols that would be a monumental job to reverse engineer and interpret those codes, isn't it? I'm not so familiar with automotive CAN procols altough I undestand CAN bus at the communication/physical level. Any thougths or suggestions? Marco Gaxiola EnergyEV.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20170103/4914d072/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)