[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So where does GW Bush's dharma as a child of privelege fit into all 
 this? If a demonstrably enlightened dictator took over the USA, that 
 might be nice while he is alive, but will all his descendents be 
 enlightened? The divine right of kings falls apart by the next 
 generation, regardless of how saintly King Arthor himself may be.

All true, but IMO the problem is one step further back.
The problem with believing that what the world needs
is an enlightened dictator is that it's a FANTASY
It's a lot like believing in Sat Yuga.  It's putting 
all one's eggs in a future basket that does not exist,
has never existed, and will never exist except as a 
hope in the minds of people who don't live in the Now.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Considering how the so-called enlightened leadership
 has run the TMO into the ground, I have not the
 slightly doubt in my mind that they would be even
 worse leaders than Dubya and his cabinet of cowering
 yes-men.

Much worse.  They wouldn't pretend to be talking
in metaphors when they said they get their marching
orders from God.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I guess it's no surprise that Maharishi's political theories 
 go back centuries. His model is Vedic society, which is what, 
 tens of thousands of years old?

And which may have never existed, except as a fantasy
in an old man's head.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 10/24/05 10:37 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Maharishi doesn't like labor governments.
   His comment on Britain's Labor
   Party: They are laborers. They shouldn't
   be running the government. Give
   them a shovel and tell them where to dig.
   
   This shows that he may well have lost the plot. History
   will rate this particular Labour governemnt to be
   the best Conservative government that we have ever
   had. But it is still a Labour government. MMY's
   advisors are more concerned about rubbing oil
   into his feet and keeping their jobs than retailing
   the truth, and taking the consequences. Can't he see it?
   
   I don't think he understands what a Labour government is.
   He's just ragging on the term Labour because he's mad at
   Blair and the UK in general.
   
   I don't think Maharishi understands what a government
   is, period.
   
   He's lived in never-never land all of his life, inside
   ashrams and then at the center of one (his movement).
   The only governmental structure within those organ-
   izations is Big Boss Man telling everybody what to do.
   No one gets a vote, no one else's opinion is solicited
   or valued; it's Big Boss Man's way or the highway.
  
  The reason he doesn't like democracies is that he doesn't consider 
 the
  common man qualified to have a say in governmental policy. He 
 thinks that
  individuals should just concern themselves with their individual 
 lives and
  leave the big government stuff to those whose dharma qualifies them 
 to
  manage it.
 
 
 So where does GW Bush's dharma as a child of privelege fit into all 
 this? If a demonstrably enlightened dictator took over the USA, that 
 might be nice while he is alive, but will all his descendents be 
 enlightened? The divine right of kings falls apart by the next 
 generation, regardless of how saintly King Arthor himself may be.


Didn't the Greeks elect their dictators (i.e no bloodline)?






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[FairfieldLife] Selling Futures (was Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers)

2005-10-25 Thread TurquoiseB
 So where does GW Bush's dharma as a child of privilege fit into  
 all this? If a demonstrably enlightened dictator took over the 
 USA, that might be nice while he is alive, but will all his 
 descendents be enlightened? The divine right of kings falls 
 apart by the next generation, regardless of how saintly King 
 Arthor himself may be.

Exactly.  The tragedy of knowledge in action.

 All true, but IMO the problem is one step further back.
 The problem with believing that what the world needs
 is an enlightened dictator is that it's a FANTASY.
 It's a lot like believing in Sat Yuga.  It's putting 
 all one's eggs in a future basket that does not exist,
 has never existed, and will never exist except as a 
 hope in the minds of people who don't live in the Now.
 
 The Once and Future Ying?

Maybe.  This is a source of endless fascination for
me, this longing in spiritual traditions for either
the future (Everything will be rosy when supply
your own 'when' here) or the past (If only things
were as rosy as they were again, supply your own
'when' here).  It seems completely contradictory
to the experience of living in the Now that has been
presented as one of the primary characteristics of
life in enlightenment.

WAS there ever a Sat Yuga?  A time when everything
was rosy and everybody was enlightened?  A lot of 
people seem to think so.  Me, I'm not convinced.  I
think it's the spiritual counterpart of the Neocon
longing for the 1950s, where everything was black
and white and you knew who your enemies were and
women stayed barefoot and pregnant and never talked
back.  

And as such, it's not really about a dream for a 
better world.  It IS that, of course, but at the
same time it's a rejection of the *current* world,
a kind of attachment to the way things should be,
as opposed to an acceptance of and appreciation for
Things As They Are.

Back in the bad old days of the computer revolution,
IBM made a name for itself by selling futures.  
Their salespeople talked up the bright, rosy future
of the *next* generation of computers so well that
customers bought the current crappy generation of
computers and lived with them, convinced that things
would be better Real Soon Now.  Things were never
better.

I think that there is a similar trend in spiritual
communities.  If the students are not realizing their
own enlightenment speedily, right here, right Now,
even the best of teachers tend to start selling
futures, telling them how rosy things will be when 
they ARE enlightened, and to just hang in there, 
because everything will be better Real Soon Now.

I don't know about you guys, but I've had spiritual
teachers telling me how things are gonna be better
Real Soon Now for over forty years.  As far as I can
tell, things in the world have gotten worse, not better.  
But neither 'better' nor 'worse' has ANYTHING to do 
with enlightenment.  Enlightenment, as I understand it,
revolves around that magic word that keeps coming up
in Tom's writing here -- appreciation.  If one is 
capable of appreciating one's own eternal nature,
eternity is present in every moment, right here, 
right Now.

I'm just throwing out ideas here for discussion.  I'm
just fascinated by this trend to sell futures, and
I'm starting to wonder if the very fact that a spiritual
teaching talks more about how rosy things will be 'when' 
(selling futures) may mean that that tradition has no 
enlightenment to offer right here, right Now.

Unc







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Selling Futures (was Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers)

2005-10-25 Thread Sal Sunshine
Managed futures was the term I heard.  And I never did figure out what they were talking about.  It always kind of sounded like a different language.

Sal


On Oct 25, 2005, at 4:48 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 Back in the bad old days of the computer revolution,
 IBM made a name for itself by selling futures.  

[FairfieldLife] Shamatha Project to begin Sept. 2006

2005-10-25 Thread Vaj


Recent article in BuddhaDharma, a quarterly journal for Buddhist practitioners. Interested people should apply.http://www.sbinstitute.com/news.php?id=17F A L L 2 0 0 5 | 90 |B U D D H A D H A R M ATHE SHAMATHA PROJECT By Jeff PardyThirty meditators will embark on a one-year residential retreat to practice shamatha meditation foreight to ten hours a day,beginning September 2006.The retreat is part of a research initiative,known as the Shamatha Project,which will study the neural,cognitive,and socio-emotional effectsof shamatha meditation. Coordinated by the Center for Mind and Brain at the University of California,Davis,the project will address two major questions: How changeable are our cognitive behaviors and socio-emotional skills?And what measurable brain changes underlie behavioral changes?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Dome total numbers - Now Monarchy, Democracies, etc.

2005-10-25 Thread markmeredith2002
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  Interesting how the descriptions I've read over the years of 
 people 
  living in a Sat Yuga, ideal society, prehistoric tribal culture, 
 as 
  one with nature, etc. government is nearly non-existent, and 
  generally ascribed to a single benevolent chief, leader, high 
  priest, or guru.
  
  Yet, during a Kali Yuga, such an arrangement is seen as the 
  antithesis of fair and benevolent leadership, or good government, 
  rather it is always associated with a repressive dictatorship.

Descriptions of life in sat yuga or in ideal societies are religious
fantasies and not a basis for making real life decisions about how to
structure a gov't.  Prehistoric tribal cultures are again by
definition prehistoric (so not much known for sure) and tribal which
means society based on extended family groups which are capable of
being run by a benevolent council of elders - generally elders are
benevolently disposed towards their descendents - and the size of the
tribe is small enough to not require extended gov't.  

The kind of gov't the tmo seems to want -- monarchy under the strong
influence of religion - did in fact exist for centuries and it's known
as the Dark Ages.  Democracy led the way out of the kali yuga of
actual history.  TBs will say but the old dictators weren't
enlightened like King Tony and MMY, in which case I say leave the
damn democractic society you're enjoying right now and give yourself
full time, heart and soul, to the TMO and see how well your life goes
(assuming you're not a multi-milionaire-aristocrat).







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[FairfieldLife] Selling Futures (was Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers)

2005-10-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Managed futures was the term I heard.  And I never did figure
 out what they were talking about.  It always kind of sounded 
 like a different language.

Deciphered, it meant, Buy now.  We know it's not what 
you really want or what you need, but we want you to buy
into The IBM Way and stick with it, so we'll promise
you anything you want in order to keep you on the hook.  
Sound familiar?

The other IBM phrase from that era that I remember well
was, It drops right in.  If you heard that about a 
new piece of mainframe hardware, you could count on 
your installation being down for a week or more while
they worked out all the problems that came up *after*
they dropped it right in.  :-)

 On Oct 25, 2005, at 4:48 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
   Back in the bad old days of the computer revolution,
   IBM made a name for itself by selling futures. 







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[FairfieldLife] Keeping abreast of new technology :-)

2005-10-25 Thread TurquoiseB
Musical breast implants 

Computer chips that store music could soon be built into 
a woman's breast implants. One boob could hold an MP3 
player and the other the person's whole music collection.

BT futurology, who have developed the idea, say it could 
be available within 15 years. BT Laboratories' analyst 
Ian Pearson said flexible plastic electronics would sit 
inside the breast. A signal would be relayed to headphones, 
while the device would be controlled by Bluetooth using a 
panel on the wrist. According to The Sun he said: It is 
now very hard for me to thing of breast implants as just 
decorative. If a woman has something implanted permanently, 
it might as well do something useful. The sensors around 
the body linked through the electrical impulses in the 
chips may also be able to warn wearers about heart murmurs, 
blood pressure increases, diabetes and breast cancer. 


I guess we all know where the volume knob is, but
it could lead to complications.  Imagine hearing
your neighbor screaming, in a moment of passion,
Louder, louder.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread feste37
This is just the usual Rick Archer smear tactics. 

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Seems like a certain university president should review this part:
 
  
  Sexual Harassment Policy: Maharishi University if Management is 
 dedicated to
  the creation of an ideal community for personal development and 
 therefore
  does not tolerate harassment in any form. This includes sexual 
 harassment,
  which creates a disrespectful work environment that is not 
 conducive to the
  blossoming of the human potential. Therefore, it is the 
 University1s
  position that sexual harassment, abuse, and offenses are 
 unacceptable in any
  form.
 
 
 *
 
 It's ridiculous for you to put your accusations against Bevan in the 
 present tense, since even if there was some question about his 
 personal life before, it's been decades since there have been any 
 rumors about him, which almost certainly means that there is no 
 problem with any behavior in his personal life (other than his 
 obvious inability to control his eating), although certainly the guy 
 is a disaster as a university prez.







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[FairfieldLife] Selling Futures (was Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers)

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Maybe.  This is a source of endless fascination for
 me, this longing in spiritual traditions for either
 the future (Everything will be rosy when supply
 your own 'when' here) or the past (If only things
 were as rosy as they were again, supply your own
 'when' here).  It seems completely contradictory
 to the experience of living in the Now that has been
 presented as one of the primary characteristics of
 life in enlightenment.

From my Inbox:

Wisdom doesn't end pain or protect us from it; it only ends our endless hope 
for an end to pain.

Ted Strauss ( http://tedstrauss.com/ )







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Shamatha Project to begin Sept. 2006

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Stanley
I read that as Shamtha and figured it was a project to make a parody of the 
Ramtha/What the Bleep crowd.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shamatha Project to begin Sept. 2006

2005-10-25 Thread Vaj


On Oct 25, 2005, at 9:28 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:I read that as "Shamtha" and figured it was a project to make a parody of the Ramtha/What the Bleep crowd. With a surprise appearance by Shamu the whale.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Selling Futures (was Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers)

2005-10-25 Thread Sal Sunshine
Do not spindle, fold, or mutilate.

On Oct 25, 2005, at 7:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 The other IBM phrase from that era that I remember well
 was, It drops right in. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/25/05 7:54 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is just the usual Rick Archer smear tactics.

Yeah, my kids might call me Pap Smear, if I had kids.




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[FairfieldLife] Conversations with God, the movie...

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Conversations with God, the movie...





A Special Message from Stephen Simon...
 
 
We are less than two weeks away from shooting the first scenes of CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD.  There is a tremendous level of excitement and anticipation building among the cast and crew as well as a sense that we have been brought together to create a powerful and magical story that will change lives.  

Below is the press release, which is filled with news about the production. You can also keep up to date with us by visiting the website: www.cwgthemovie.com   (If you would like to join us in Ashland and be an extra in the film, please send an e-mail with your daytime phone number to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call 541-899-0201 and leave your name and phone number.)

I deeply appreciate your ongoing support of CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD, The Circle and the emerging art form of Spiritual Cinema.
 
With love and gratitude,
 
Stephen




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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
October 25, 2005
 
 
BRINGING A SPIRITUAL CLASSIC TO THE SCREEN!

 



CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD
A Powerful, Mystical True Story
www.cwgthemovie.com




 
(Ashland, OR) CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD spent nearly 3 years on the New York Times bestseller list, and sold approximately 7 million copies in 34 languages, so it was no surprise to director/producer Stephen Simon (producer of SOMEWHERE IN TIME, WHAT DREAMS MAY COME) that hundreds of people from all over the world lined up last month at the open auditions for the film version of CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD.

The book series that inspired millions will now become a film that tells the true and previously untold story of Neale Donald Walsch. At the lowest point in his life, Walsch started asking God some hard questions. And to his astonishment, God answered. Those conversations became the basis for the book series. This film details the dramatic journey of a down and out homeless man who inadvertently becomes an unlikely and highly acclaimed bestselling author and spiritual messenger. Online: http://www.cwgthemovie.com

For the past ten years I have dreamed of making this movie, says Simon. CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD will be a powerful, mystical, controversial and surprising film.

The film will star Henry Czerny in the lead role of Neale. Czerny is a respected actor known for his performances in THE EXORCISM OF EMILY ROSE (2005), THE ICE STORM (1997), MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE (1996), CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER (1994) and the upcoming remake of THE PINK PANTHER (2006).

Every once in a while, we actors get a chance to be part of an extraordinarily insightful story, explains Czerny. I'm sure this is the way some of van Gogh's colors must have felt when they were asked by his brush to mingle in 'Starry Night.' 

Frances Fisher, who has played several memorable roles such as Kate Winslet's mother in TITANIC (1997), and Julianne Moore's mother in LAWS OF ATTRACTION (2004), will co-star. Fisher has also performed in THE HOUSE OF SAND AND FOG (2003), UNFORGIVEN (1992), L.A. STORY (1991) and starred in many memorable made-for-TV films, such as The Audrey Hepburn Story (2000), Cold Sassy Tree (1998) and as Lucille Ball in the Luci  Desi: Before the Laughter (1991).

To be able to work on a film that represents the best of my personal beliefs is something I have been dreaming of for years, says Fisher.  I'm excited to be working with people who are all on the same page, literally and spiritually.

Ingrid Boulting, who left Hollywood years ago to pursue a career in yoga and art, will play a pivotal role and mystical character in the film. Most often remembered for her role in THE LAST TYCOON (1976), Boulting's appearance in CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD will be her first on screen performance in more than twenty years.

It is really exciting that this film is being made, a film that can awaken in us a new sense of ourselves, says Boulting. I have not felt spiritually connected to projects that have been offered to me since 'Tycoon,' and I am ecstatic to be collaborating on this inspired project.

CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD is the first original film production of The Spiritual Cinema Circle, www.spiritualcinemacircle.com, which Simon co-founded in 2004 with author Gay Hendricks, who will Executive Produce the film. The Spiritual Cinema Circle is America's fastest growing DVD club. Each month Circle subscribers receive 4 films on DVD that heal, inspire and transform our lives. Subscribers hail from 70 countries around the world.

The Circle is financing the project, which will premiere theatrically and in new thought churches worldwide in late October 2006 and will be available on DVD exclusively to Circle subscribers in December 2006.

Over the past ten years, Walsch has received multiple offers from producers (and one major studio) to turn his book and life story into a film. He turned them all down.

Just five years before I wrote about my experience, I was homeless, with a broken neck, living in a park. I spent my days 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/25/05 12:08 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Seems like a certain university president should review this part:
 
 
 Sexual Harassment Policy: Maharishi University if Management is
 dedicated to
 the creation of an ideal community for personal development and
 therefore
 does not tolerate harassment in any form. This includes sexual
 harassment,
 which creates a disrespectful work environment that is not
 conducive to the
 blossoming of the human potential. Therefore, it is the
 University¹s
 position that sexual harassment, abuse, and offenses are
 unacceptable in any
 form.
 
 
 *
 
 It's ridiculous for you to put your accusations against Bevan in the
 present tense, since even if there was some question about his
 personal life before, it's been decades since there have been any
 rumors about him, which almost certainly means that there is no
 problem with any behavior in his personal life (other than his
 obvious inability to control his eating), although certainly the guy
 is a disaster as a university prez.

You may be right. Or not. But let's give him the benefit of the doubt and
assume you are. What is the statute of limitations on this sort of thing?




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[FairfieldLife] Selling Futures, Being in Present

2005-10-25 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

[comments out of original order]

Being In the Present:

 But neither 'better' nor 'worse' has ANYTHING to do 
 with enlightenment.  Enlightenment, as I understand it,
 revolves around that magic word that keeps coming up
 in Tom's writing here -- appreciation.  If one is 
 capable of appreciating one's own eternal nature,
 eternity is present in every moment, right here, 
 right Now.


Thoughts of Past and Future:

 Maybe.  This is a source of endless fascination for
 me, this longing in spiritual traditions for either
 the future (Everything will be rosy when supply
 your own 'when' here) or the past (If only things
 were as rosy as they were again, supply your own
 'when' here).  It seems completely contradictory
 to the experience of living in the Now that has been
 presented as one of the primary characteristics of
 life in enlightenment.

Can one have thoughts and/or maintain activity when absorbed in the
present? If so, does the content of the thought matter? 
Does the content of past or future, or any thought content, affect
the ones degree of absorbsion in Now? 

Can one be full of thoughts about the present and not be absorbed in Now?

 
 
 And as such, it's not really about a dream for a 
 better world.  It IS that, of course, but at the
 same time it's a rejection of the *current* world,
 a kind of attachment to the way things should be,
 as opposed to an acceptance of and appreciation for
 Things As They Are.

Are you diminished when having the thought that some people a reject 
the *current* world, and have a kind of attachment to the way things
should be? Are you absorbed in the present when having this thought?





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[FairfieldLife] Selling Futures (was Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers)

2005-10-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  So where does GW Bush's dharma as a child of privilege fit 
into  
  all this? If a demonstrably enlightened dictator took over the 
  USA, that might be nice while he is alive, but will all his 
  descendents be enlightened? The divine right of kings falls 
  apart by the next generation, regardless of how saintly King 
  Arthor himself may be.
 
 Exactly.  The tragedy of knowledge in action.
 
  All true, but IMO the problem is one step further back.
  The problem with believing that what the world needs
  is an enlightened dictator is that it's a FANTASY.
  It's a lot like believing in Sat Yuga.  It's putting 
  all one's eggs in a future basket that does not exist,
  has never existed, and will never exist except as a 
  hope in the minds of people who don't live in the Now.
  
  The Once and Future Ying?
 
 Maybe.  This is a source of endless fascination for
 me, this longing in spiritual traditions for either
 the future (Everything will be rosy when supply
 your own 'when' here) or the past (If only things
 were as rosy as they were again, supply your own
 'when' here).  It seems completely contradictory
 to the experience of living in the Now that has been
 presented as one of the primary characteristics of
 life in enlightenment.
 
 WAS there ever a Sat Yuga?  A time when everything
 was rosy and everybody was enlightened?  A lot of 
 people seem to think so.  Me, I'm not convinced.  I
 think it's the spiritual counterpart of the Neocon
 longing for the 1950s, where everything was black
 and white and you knew who your enemies were and
 women stayed barefoot and pregnant and never talked
 back.  
 
 And as such, it's not really about a dream for a 
 better world.  It IS that, of course, but at the
 same time it's a rejection of the *current* world,
 a kind of attachment to the way things should be,
 as opposed to an acceptance of and appreciation for
 Things As They Are.
 
Also used to great effect by the best advertising agencies of the 
world...So this need for an idealized past and future is part of 
classic waking state. As such, all spiritual groups sell the 
absolute answer to this absolute desire; getting from here to there. 

And not a single spiritual group will get us through the eye of the 
needle; not Maharishi, not SSRS, not Ramana Maharishi, not Guru Dev, 
not Buddhists, not Christians, not Hindus, not the 27 groups in 
Fairfield. Signposts all, though we pass through the eye of the 
needle ourselves, beholden to no one. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Selling Futures, Being in Present

2005-10-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 
 [comments out of original order]
 
 Being In the Present:
 
  But neither 'better' nor 'worse' has ANYTHING to do 
  with enlightenment.  Enlightenment, as I understand it,
  revolves around that magic word that keeps coming up
  in Tom's writing here -- appreciation.  If one is 
  capable of appreciating one's own eternal nature,
  eternity is present in every moment, right here, 
  right Now.
 
 
 Thoughts of Past and Future:
 
  Maybe.  This is a source of endless fascination for
  me, this longing in spiritual traditions for either
  the future (Everything will be rosy when supply
  your own 'when' here) or the past (If only things
  were as rosy as they were again, supply your own
  'when' here).  It seems completely contradictory
  to the experience of living in the Now that has been
  presented as one of the primary characteristics of
  life in enlightenment.
 
 Can one have thoughts and/or maintain activity when absorbed 
 in the present? If so, does the content of the thought matter? 
 Does the content of past or future, or any thought content, 
 affect the ones degree of absorbsion in Now? 

The issue I'm talking about is not having sporadic
thoughts about the future; I would assume that the
enlightened have such thoughts.  :-)  What I'm
speaking about is *focus*, the *predominant* nature
of one's thoughts, the ones that occupy the mind the
most.  Think of it in terms of this board -- certain
people have certain themes that they talk about over
and over and over and over and over.  Those are the
things they focus on in life.  The *focus* that they
give these thoughts is what makes the difference, IMO.
Someone else could have the same thoughts and they're
no big deal for them; they just come and they go.  But
when the thoughts tend *not* to go, and come up over 
and over and over and over and over again, then IMO
the issue of focus comes into play.

Focus is a big thing in Buddhist thought, because it
is assumed that one has a *choice* in what to focus
on.  One is not a victim to one's thoughts or their
content; one has the ability to choose which thoughts
to entertain and which to ignore as unproductive.  In
general, *dwelling* on either the past or the future
is viewed as unproductive.  What is seen as most pro-
ductive are thoughts of how to act -- right here, right
now -- in such a manner as to *create* the desired
future.  Spending a lot of time thinking about the
desired future is not the same thing as acting to
bring it about.  Right?

Also, there is the issue of *attachment* to the desired
future.  If the rosy future is seen as so strong a 
goal that one puts off enjoyment of the present until 
the goal is achieved, then IMO such a focus can also be 
seen as unproductive.  For example, all know people who 
believe that they won't be happy until they're enlightened.  
And, as such a focus tends to be self-fulfilling, they're 
not.  :-)

 Can one be full of thoughts about the present and not be 
 absorbed in Now?

Absolutely.  It's called the state of ignorance.  :-)

  And as such, it's not really about a dream for a 
  better world.  It IS that, of course, but at the
  same time it's a rejection of the *current* world,
  a kind of attachment to the way things should be,
  as opposed to an acceptance of and appreciation for
  Things As They Are.
 
 Are you diminished when having the thought that some 
 people a reject the *current* world, and have a kind 
 of attachment to the way things should be? 

Nope.  I think that sometimes the people who *are*
attached to the way things should be are diminished
by that focus, however.

 Are you absorbed in the present when having this thought?

Since my answer was Nope, this question is irrelevant.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread jim_flanegin
from a friend:

 No wonder so many people say google's search engine can find anything
for
ya! Just follow these 5 simple steps.
 1- Go to www.google.com
 2- Type in Failure, without the quotes
 3- Instead of hitting Search hit I'm feeling Lucky
 4- Look at it and laugh at what comes up
 5- Tell your friends before the people at Google Fix it.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/25/05 12:15 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 from a friend:
 
 No wonder so many people say google's search engine can find anything
 for
 ya! Just follow these 5 simple steps.
 1- Go to www.google.com
 2- Type in Failure, without the quotes
 3- Instead of hitting Search hit I'm feeling Lucky
 4- Look at it and laugh at what comes up
 5- Tell your friends before the people at Google Fix it.

It's been this way for a long time. Same thing works for the phrase
miserable failure. This is called Google Bombing. It's because so many
people link to that page with that phrase as the linking text. Michael
Moore's site is #2.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread tazarmfune
Therefore, it is the
  University¹s
  position that sexual harassment, abuse, and offenses are
  unacceptable in any
  form.
 
 You may be right. Or not. But let's give him the benefit of the doubt and
 assume you are. What is the statute of limitations on this sort of thing?


Iowa Code:

Q: Are there time limits on when I can file a suit, and if so, what are they?

A: There is a two-year statute of limitations in Iowa with regard to cases 
involving 
defective products, personal injuries or medical malpractice. This can be 
extended in 
certain instances.

In cases involving discrimination or harassment, a charge of discrimination 
must be filed 
against the employer with the Iowa Civil Rights Commission within 180 days of 
the last 
discriminatory act. Under certain circumstances, this deadline can be extended 
to up to 
300 days with respect to federal claims. It is very difficult to recover if the 
applicable time 
limits have run so its important to get good legal advice as to the time limit 
that applies to 
your case and take appropriate action to preserve your legal issues.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Selling Futures, Being in Present

2005-10-25 Thread martyboi
You need to understand that NOW becomes THEN and THEN becomes NOW and
somewhere inside the endless flow of NOW and THEN you live your life.

I think accepting the NOW is the best way to change your life
situation (if required). Since life is an endless succession of NOWS –
one can use one's awareness to influence how future NOWs show up.
Sometimes NOW really sucks, and until you accept that it sucks and
take responsibility for how the current NOW showed up, you won't be
able to do things NOW in order to have a different NOW in the future. 

Basically, accepting the NOW doesn't mean liking the NOW. It means
exercising your human ability of choice right NOW. And since a NOW
becomes a THEN, you can perform actions NOW that make THEN better.

If a thief shows up at the door, you have to accept the fact that he
is there to rob you in order to take appropriate action. You don't
passively accept that a thief is there and let him rob you – unless
you want a future NOW to be a poor NOW. You can sit in bliss while
they take the furniture away – or you do something to prevent it.
Either way is blissful – it's just nicer somehow (on a practical
level) to be in bliss on a comfy couch rather than an old orange crate.

This is of course complicated by the fact that there really is no you
to make choices now. And the best choices are made at the level of
choiceless awareness anyway. But I have chosen to ignore this for NOW
– because behaving as if you don't exist and that nothing is real
creates lousy future NOWS. (Been there done that.)

I believe that it is out of compassion that Enlightened people perform
behaviors for better future NOWS for everyone – because they know that
most people want life to be better NOW. It's really just a practical
matter. In the gita somewhere it says that the enlightened man sees
life with evenness of vision – but he doesn't treat a king and dog the
same because that would create chaos in society. Hence, with
compassion he works for the welfare of the world – a better NOW for
everyone. So even though he doesn't accept or reject anything – he
knows the vast majority of people do and he accepts that! He then
takes the practical step of choosing NOW to create a comfortable NOW
for as many people as possible.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 
 [comments out of original order]
 
 Being In the Present:
 
  But neither 'better' nor 'worse' has ANYTHING to do 
  with enlightenment.  Enlightenment, as I understand it,
  revolves around that magic word that keeps coming up
  in Tom's writing here -- appreciation.  If one is 
  capable of appreciating one's own eternal nature,
  eternity is present in every moment, right here, 
  right Now.
 
 
 Thoughts of Past and Future:
 
  Maybe.  This is a source of endless fascination for
  me, this longing in spiritual traditions for either
  the future (Everything will be rosy when supply
  your own 'when' here) or the past (If only things
  were as rosy as they were again, supply your own
  'when' here).  It seems completely contradictory
  to the experience of living in the Now that has been
  presented as one of the primary characteristics of
  life in enlightenment.
 
 Can one have thoughts and/or maintain activity when absorbed in the
 present? If so, does the content of the thought matter? 
 Does the content of past or future, or any thought content, affect
 the ones degree of absorbsion in Now? 
 
 Can one be full of thoughts about the present and not be absorbed in
Now?
 
  
  
  And as such, it's not really about a dream for a 
  better world.  It IS that, of course, but at the
  same time it's a rejection of the *current* world,
  a kind of attachment to the way things should be,
  as opposed to an acceptance of and appreciation for
  Things As They Are.
 
 Are you diminished when having the thought that some people a reject 
 the *current* world, and have a kind of attachment to the way things
 should be? Are you absorbed in the present when having this thought?






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[FairfieldLife] How Consciousness Can Create the Human Body

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: How Consciousness Can Create the Human Body





Dear friends,
 
You may enjoy Maharishi's answer to this question: How consciousness can create the human body? Here's the url:
http://www.mapi.com/answers/118_Consciousness_Creates.mp3 
 
You can also view more 'podcasted' questions and answers from Maharishi at: www.answersfrommaharishi.com http://www.answersfrommaharishi.com 
They are short segments from weekly press conferences that originally aired on the Maharishi Channel. 
 
Another title that you might be interested:
 
Purusha and Prakriti; Being and Becoming
http://www.mapi.com/answers/104_Purusha_Prakriti.mp3 
 
Jai Guru Dev






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[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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   'Failure' -  Death causes Rebirth
I don't get it; death will always cause rebirth. Why is that a failure?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread Jason Spock










 If you are not Enlightened, the you have failed. Quote Gita,

 Gita: "Fire, day, Light, Bright half of the moon, six months of the northern passage of the sun, and the knowers of Brahman go to the Brahman.

 Smoke, night, darkness, dark half of the moon, six months of southern passage of the sun and the Yogi obtains the Lunar light and returns."

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 Jason Spock wrote:  'Failure' - Death causes RebirthI don't get it; death will always cause rebirth. Why is that a failure?

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/25/05 1:05 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  
  
   'Failure' -  Death causes Rebirth
 I don't get it; death will always cause rebirth. Why is that a failure?

When asked about reincarnation, Maharishi used to say, I'm opposed to it.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 10/25/05 1:05 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   
   
'Failure' -  Death causes Rebirth
  I don't get it; death will always cause rebirth. Why is that a
failure?
 
 When asked about reincarnation, Maharishi used to say, I'm opposed
to it. 

And, Its for the ignorant.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Vastu homes now for sale

2005-10-25 Thread Vaj


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Vastu homes now for sale

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Vastu homes now for sale





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Price includes royalties to Global Country of World Peace


How much do they get?

Probably 20%






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[FairfieldLife] The Plot Thickens -- Cheney Was Libby's Source

2005-10-25 Thread akasha_108
The notes, taken by Mr. Libby during the conversation, for the first
time place Mr. Cheney in the middle of an effort by the White House to
learn about Ms. Wilson's husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, who was
questioning the administration's handling of intelligence about Iraq's
nuclear program to justify the war.

Lawyers involved in the case, who described the notes to The New York
Times, said they showed that Mr. Cheney knew that Ms. Wilson worked at
the C.I.A. more than a month before her identity was made public and
her undercover status was disclosed in a syndicated column by Robert
D. Novak on July 14, 2003.

Mr. Libby's notes indicate that Mr. Cheney had gotten his information
about Ms. Wilson from George J. Tenet, the director of central
intelligence, in response to questions from the vice president about
Mr. Wilson. But they contain no suggestion that either Mr. Cheney or
Mr. Libby knew at the time of Ms. Wilson's undercover status or that
her identity was classified. Disclosing a covert agent's identity can
be a crime, but only if the person who discloses it knows the agent's
undercover status.

It would not be illegal for either Mr. Cheney or Mr. Libby, both of
whom are presumably cleared to know the government's deepest secrets,
to discuss a C.I.A. officer or her link to a critic of the
administration. But any effort by Mr. Libby to steer investigators
away from his conversation with Mr. Cheney could be considered by
Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special counsel in the case, to be an
illegal effort to impede the inquiry.

.


Lawyers involved in the case said they had no indication that Mr.
Fitzgerald was considering charging Mr. Cheney with wrongdoing. Mr.
Cheney was interviewed under oath by Mr. Fitzgerald last year. It is
not known what the vice president told Mr. Fitzgerald about the
conversation with Mr. Libby or when Mr. Fitzgerald first learned of it.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Selling Futures, Being in Present

2005-10-25 Thread TurquoiseB
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 Basically, accepting the NOW doesn't mean liking the NOW. It means
 exercising your human ability of choice right NOW. And since a NOW
 becomes a THEN, you can perform actions NOW that make THEN better.
 
 If a thief shows up at the door, you have to accept the fact that he
 is there to rob you in order to take appropriate action. You don't
 passively accept that a thief is there and let him rob you – unless
 you want a future NOW to be a poor NOW. You can sit in bliss while
 they take the furniture away – or you do something to prevent it.
 Either way is blissful – it's just nicer somehow (on a practical
 level) to be in bliss on a comfy couch rather than an old orange 
 crate.

Well said.

 This is of course complicated by the fact that there really is no 
 you to make choices now. And the best choices are made at the 
 level of choiceless awareness anyway. But I have chosen to ignore
 this for NOW – because behaving as if you don't exist and that 
 nothing is real creates lousy future NOWS. (Been there done that.)

Said even more well.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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   'Failure' -  Death causes Rebirth

'Success' - only if you want it to.

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 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:15:24 - 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] HA HA - A name and form joke 
 
 from a friend:
  No wonder so many people say google's search engine can find 
anything for ya! 
  
 Just follow these 5 simple steps.
  1- Go to www.google.com
  2- Type in Failure, without the quotes
  3- Instead of hitting Search hit I'm feeling Lucky
  4- Look at it and laugh at what comes up
  5- Tell your friends before the people at Google Fix it.
  
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread TurquoiseB
 'Failure' -  Death causes Rebirth
   I don't get it; death will always cause rebirth. Why is that a
   failure?
  
  When asked about reincarnation, Maharishi used to say, I'm 
  opposed to it. 
 
 And, Its for the ignorant.

Or for Bodhisattvas, who care more about other sentient
beings than they do about dwelling in eternal bliss, a
concept that seems to have escaped Maharishi completely.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  'Failure' -  Death causes Rebirth
I don't get it; death will always cause rebirth. Why is that a
failure?
   
   When asked about reincarnation, Maharishi used to say, I'm 
   opposed to it. 
  
  And, Its for the ignorant.
 
 Or for Bodhisattvas, who care more about other sentient
 beings than they do about dwelling in eternal bliss, a
 concept that seems to have escaped Maharishi completely.


Bodhisattvas, don't dwell in eternal bliss, regardless?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
   'Failure' -  Death causes Rebirth
 I don't get it; death will always cause rebirth. Why is 
 that a failure?

When asked about reincarnation, Maharishi used to say, I'm 
opposed to it. 
   
   And, Its for the ignorant.
  
  Or for Bodhisattvas, who care more about other sentient
  beings than they do about dwelling in eternal bliss, a
  concept that seems to have escaped Maharishi completely.
 
 Bodhisattvas, don't dwell in eternal bliss, regardless?

They undoubtedly do, just not in drop returns to the
ocean mode.  More like work your ass off for the people
incarnation after incarnation while dwelling in eternal 
bliss (or not...what does it matter if your intent is 
to help people) mode.  

Suffice it to say that some Buddhists think of those who 
want to dissolve back into the absolute as spiritual
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread Jason Spock










 
 Hari Om,
 Vedic philosophy calls for a balance between Dictatorship and democracy. The ownership of the country belongs neither to king nor to the people. It belongs to Dharma itself.

 Rama was the embodiment of dharma. King Bharata took the sandals of Lord Ram and placed it on the throne of ayodhya and ruled it on behalf of Rama.

 So the king was considered to be a representative of God. King Janaka was a Philosopher king.

 Maharishi says that the ruler of a country is not a free independent agent. He is only a reflection of the collective consciousness of the country. If the Collective consciousness is stressed then, the leader is also stressed and makes mistakes. Eckhart Tolle also makes a similar point. So does Paramahansa Yogananda.

 According to the Vedic Philosophy, there are only 4 varnas. These 4 Varnas are basicaly determined by the predominance of the 3 gunas.
 Look up at Swami Chidbavananda's commentary on Gita [Ramakrishna Mission]
 A person who has predominantly Tamas guna is a Sudra and should be given particular duties in society.
 A person who has predominantly Rajas guna is a Vaishya and should be given particular duties in society.
 A person who has predominantly Satwa guna is a Kshtriya and should be given particular duties in society.
 And a person who has Trancended the three gunas is a Brahmana.
 The four Varnas are not rigid and are interchangable. Sage Vishvamitra was born kshtriya, but became a sage. etc.
 With, Jai Guru Dev, Jason 

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From: "Robert Gimbel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:02:04 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers 
  I always assumed that Maharishi had suscribed to Plato and Socrates; In regard to the highest form of government; after taking a course at MIU; back in the day. The highest form of government according to the Ancient Greeks; Was a ruler called a "Philosopher King" The idea was to create a program; which would educate the leaders; And create a consciousness in the leadership; which would be an "Enlightened Governing Consciousness"; And this seems to be the model, whether from the Ancient Greeks, or the Ancient Vedic teachings.
 The problem with democracy, as we can see in the current format; Is that most of the people are easily fooled;Our democracy was formed in response to the unenlightened leadership; And the history of corrupt leadership; in the capitals of Europe. It definitely seems the time has come; For enlightened leadership, in whatever form it happens to take to get there.
From: "markmeredith2002" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:51:08 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Dome total numbers - Now Monarchy, Democracies, etc. 
 
 Descriptions of life in sat yuga or in ideal societies are religious fantasies and not a basis for making real life decisions about how to structure a gov't. Prehistoric tribal cultures are again by definition prehistoric (so not much known for sure) and tribal which means society based on extended family groups which are capable of being run by a benevolent council of elders - generally elders are benevolently disposed towards their descendents - and the size of the tribe is small enough to not require extended gov't. 
 The kind of gov't the tmo seems to want -- monarchy under the strong influence of religion - did in fact exist for centuries and it's known as the Dark Ages.

 Democracy led the way out of the kali yuga of actual history. TBs will say "but the old dictators weren't enlightened like King Tony and MMY", in which case I say leave the damn democractic society you're enjoying right now and give yourself full time, heart and soul, to the TMO and see how well your life goes (assuming you're not a multi-milionaire-aristocrat).

  

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[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
'Failure' -  Death causes Rebirth
  I don't get it; death will always cause rebirth. Why is 
  that a failure?
 
 When asked about reincarnation, Maharishi used to 
say, I'm 
 opposed to it. 

And, Its for the ignorant.
   
   Or for Bodhisattvas, who care more about other sentient
   beings than they do about dwelling in eternal bliss, a
   concept that seems to have escaped Maharishi completely.
  
  Bodhisattvas, don't dwell in eternal bliss, regardless?
 
 They undoubtedly do, just not in drop returns to the
 ocean mode.  More like work your ass off for the people
 incarnation after incarnation while dwelling in eternal 
 bliss (or not...what does it matter if your intent is 
 to help people) mode.  
 
 Suffice it to say that some Buddhists think of those who 
 want to dissolve back into the absolute as spiritual
 slackers.  :-)

I am enjoying all of the riffs off my original question. In any 
case, I am still curious why rebirth following death is seen as a 
failure? 

Though it might be a case outside the *assumed* definitions of death 
and rebirth (i.e. multiple physical lives), I am thinking about a 
technique I employ for a mundane purpose, that of getting enough 
sleep at night.

Sometimes after going to bed, or after waking during the night, I 
will still my mind in order to allow my autonomic nervous system to 
take over and put me back to sleep. I've noticed that when I still 
my mind, one of the things to go away is any thought of I or 
reference to I. Because there is nothing to identify with at all, 
I will experience a momentary fear before moving into sleep. It is 
like death in that way. And then I awaken a few hours later, as 
myself, having slept well.

Similarly, to gain enlightenment we go through a process of death, 
then rebirth, from the inside out. That, and the previous example, 
both entail a death and rebirth. Yet neither are a failure. This is 
the context of my original question. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Bodhisattvas, don't dwell in eternal bliss, regardless?
 
 They undoubtedly do, just not in drop returns to the
 ocean mode.  More like work your ass off for the people
 incarnation after incarnation while dwelling in eternal 
 bliss (or not...what does it matter if your intent is 
 to help people) mode.  
 
 Suffice it to say that some Buddhists think of those who 
 want to dissolve back into the absolute as spiritual
 slackers.  :-)

Ah, petty sniping even among Bodhisattvas. :)






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[FairfieldLife] government takes another swipe at privacy -- your driver's license online!

2005-10-25 Thread bbrigante
 This is upsetting but I thought I 
should pass it along. 


 Check your drivers license. Now you can 
see anyone's Driver's License On 
 the Internet, including your own! I 
just searched for mine and there It 
 was...picture and all!! 


 Thanks Homeland Security! Where are our 
rights? I definitely removed 
 mine. I suggest you do the same... Go 
to the web site and check it out. 
 Just enter your name, city and state to 
see if yours is on file. After 
 your license comes on the screen, click 
the box marked Please Remove. 
 This will remove it from public 
viewing, but not from law enforcement. 


 Tell EVERYONE about this. With identity 
theft on the rise - I'm sure 
 they'll thank you for it! 


 http://www.license.shorturl.com 






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[FairfieldLife] Dean SLuyter

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Dean SLuyter





Hey remember him?
He's on http://kvmr.org RIGHT NOW






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[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread TurquoiseB
 'Failure' -  Death causes Rebirth
 I am enjoying all of the riffs off my original question. In any 
 case, I am still curious why rebirth following death is seen as a 
 failure? 
 
 Though it might be a case outside the *assumed* definitions of 
death 
 and rebirth (i.e. multiple physical lives), I am thinking about a 
 technique I employ for a mundane purpose, that of getting enough 
 sleep at night.
 
 Sometimes after going to bed, or after waking during the night, I 
 will still my mind in order to allow my autonomic nervous system to 
 take over and put me back to sleep. I've noticed that when I still 
 my mind, one of the things to go away is any thought of I or 
 reference to I. Because there is nothing to identify with at all, 
 I will experience a momentary fear before moving into sleep. It is 
 like death in that way. And then I awaken a few hours later, as 
 myself, having slept well.
 
 Similarly, to gain enlightenment we go through a process of death, 
 then rebirth, from the inside out. That, and the previous example, 
 both entail a death and rebirth. Yet neither are a failure. This is 
 the context of my original question.

Nice.  And timely.  Thanks for the tip about stillness
before sleep.  It's a technique I will begin to put into
more use.  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread Jason Spock










 Not a complete failure. Life and death are twins. Both uphold evolution.

Just as body has a age, soul has an age called soul-age. It is divided into usualy 7 categories.Baby soul, child- soul intermediate-soul, mature-soul, and finaly Ripe-soul.

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 I am enjoying all of the riffs off my original question. In any case, I am still curious why rebirth following death is seen as a failure?
 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread bbrigante
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 on 10/25/05 12:08 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Seems like a certain university president should review this 
part:
  
  
  Sexual Harassment Policy: Maharishi University if Management is
  dedicated to
  the creation of an ideal community for personal development and
  therefore
  does not tolerate harassment in any form. This includes sexual
  harassment,
  which creates a disrespectful work environment that is not
  conducive to the
  blossoming of the human potential. Therefore, it is the
  University¹s
  position that sexual harassment, abuse, and offenses are
  unacceptable in any
  form.
  
  
  *
  
  It's ridiculous for you to put your accusations against Bevan in 
the
  present tense, since even if there was some question about his
  personal life before, it's been decades since there have been any
  rumors about him, which almost certainly means that there is no
  problem with any behavior in his personal life (other than his
  obvious inability to control his eating), although certainly the 
guy
  is a disaster as a university prez.
 


 You may be right. Or not. But let's give him the benefit of the 
doubt and
 assume you are. What is the statute of limitations on this sort of 
thing?


**

If you have no evidence that Bevan is engaging in sexual harassment 
(even if you think he did 2+ decades ago), then it's not responsible 
for you to use the present tense in talking about it. You used to 
leave a load in your drawers when you were two, but at age 22, 
somebody talking about it would be kind of ridiculous, so that's a 
statue of limited intelligence that you are posing for...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/25/05 3:41 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 If you have no evidence that Bevan is engaging in sexual harassment
 (even if you think he did 2+ decades ago), then it's not responsible
 for you to use the present tense in talking about it. You used to
 leave a load in your drawers when you were two, but at age 22,
 somebody talking about it would be kind of ridiculous, so that's a
 statue of limited intelligence that you are posing for...

Fair enough, but you rag on Bevan every time you mention him. When's the
last time you saw him? How do you know he hasn't changed, or even that when
you were developing your distaste for him, he wasn't as bad as you perceived
him to be?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 10/25/05 3:41 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  If you have no evidence that Bevan is engaging in sexual 
harassment
  (even if you think he did 2+ decades ago), then it's not 
responsible
  for you to use the present tense in talking about it. You used to
  leave a load in your drawers when you were two, but at age 22,
  somebody talking about it would be kind of ridiculous, so that's 
a
  statue of limited intelligence that you are posing for...
 

 Fair enough, but you rag on Bevan every time you mention him. 
When's the
 last time you saw him? How do you know he hasn't changed, or even 
that when
 you were developing your distaste for him, he wasn't as bad as you 
perceived
 him to be?


I see His Enormity every week on the press conferences at mou.org, 
and my impression of him is that he is (present tense) befuddled, a 
fat little Elmer Fudd of a man, who has no interest in anything 
except maintaining his power (although his incompetence is a 
necessary evil, so that growth of the TM movement does not proceed 
at too rapid a pace for this ugly and ignorant world). My opinion is 
not based on what he did or didn't do decades ago, especially what 
he may have done in his personal life, which I would not care about 
any more than I did Prez Clinton's.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread feste37
How do we know you don't? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 10/25/05 7:54 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  This is just the usual Rick Archer smear tactics.
 
 Yeah, my kids might call me Pap Smear, if I had kids.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nice.  And timely.  Thanks for the tip about stillness
 before sleep.  It's a technique I will begin to put into
 more use.

Yep. It works, and is a pretty cool way to slip into sleep.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/25/05 4:33 PM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How do we know you don't?

I guess you'll have to take my word for it. If I have any, I don't know
about them.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 on 10/25/05 7:54 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 This is just the usual Rick Archer smear tactics.
 
 Yeah, my kids might call me Pap Smear, if I had kids.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome total numbers

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/25/05 4:33 PM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How do we know you don't?

I guess you'll have to take my word for it. If I have any, I don't know
about them.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 on 10/25/05 7:54 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 This is just the usual Rick Archer smear tactics.
 
 Yeah, my kids might call me Pap Smear, if I had kids.




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[FairfieldLife] main principles of SCI?

2005-10-25 Thread wvansant
Does anyone remember, what was it 11 main principles of SCI? 'The nature of 
life is to grow' and all that? Thanks..




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[FairfieldLife] Filmstrip

2005-10-25 Thread johnlasher20002000
http://filmstripinternational.com/





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[FairfieldLife] This is dedicated to the one we love

2005-10-25 Thread johnlasher20002000
Ask your local DJ to dedicate this song to GW Bush

MASTERS OF WAR Bob Dylan

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead
 






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[FairfieldLife] Unscientific Poll

2005-10-25 Thread MDixon6569





Should Rosa Parks be allowed to ride in the front of the 
hearse?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Thank for the Hog support

2005-10-25 Thread pibssmith
Thank you for your replies to Hogs

Another depressing thing is inspite of whatever feeling many of us 
about the TMO the school MSAE is the crowning jewel so sweet and 
such a nice environment for the kids. I saw an un named person this 
past week whose spouse is a dean of one of the levels cant recall 
which and when I asked this person frankly how things were going 
with the 1-2 grade class near nil and 3-4 grade girls at 9 students 
and not sure what boys total is. That persons answers is  We are 
hoping for a miracle Here I am in Hog mire worry and she is hoping 
for a miracle to keep MSAE alive that was the best that person could 
come up with I was stunned. I asked if MUM went under if MSAE 
could survive and that person said yes but most likely parents would 
start a charter school and bring some staff with and start their own 
maybe even rent school buidling if it was not sold.

I really cant imagine but with it shriking I dont see how it can 
exist realistically in 5 years.

To complicate my hog state of negativity I was in Iowa City at doc 
appt last week and some lady in the docs office told me a sad hog 
scenairo up state where they could not stop them. They are in 
proceess of sueing and it has gone on for a long while Sierra Club 
was involved as the run off killed wild life etc etc etc and she 
thinks they had to go by somes stritcher standards the hog people 
but they did not pull out once in. She said her husband was more 
involved thru some nature group and it was in NE Iowa somewhere.

I am not really depressed but am trying to be real about our future 
here. I figured if we sold our house now and got a fair price and 
rented a SV house for 5 years just to pick a time frame and then 
left we would lose in rent what we would lose to the bank if we just 
never sold our house . So we have decided to just stay in our lovely 
house. But sad that we have to have these thought even. However I 
cant be a Ru that puts one's head in the sane and not be real about 
all of this going on around us. I am sure there was always be a 
prescense here but I wont be here of hog factories move in and I am 
sure and know others that feel the same and it saddens me to think 
this could acutally occur and is just another level of decline of 
such a great little town.

I recall being in TTC and really into the TMO and telling my small 
grog wouldn't it be great if we could all live in the same town and 
a few years later it occurred. My spouse says dont worry that will 
happen again. Groups will form and people will move where friends go 
to NC or Boulder or Ashland or Ashville etc Florida it will happen 
again and will be another phase no one could fathom just as you 
could really think Fairfield would happen you just wished for it 
back then at age 22. Sweet.
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 snip
 
  I found living in this hog state and the prospect of all our 
friends 
  of 20 years scattering all over the US painful. If you listen to 
the 
  chatter at lunch around town people including myself and spouse 
now 
  have exit plans of what if this does occur. Very sad. Forget 
dome 
  numbers we have larger fish to fry and getting dome numbers up 
aint 
  going to do a thing inspite of what the true believers think.
 
 This is indeed sad. I have not been to FF in many years, inspite 
of 
 living within driving distance. It is rare to have a community of 
 spiritual seekers in one place, especially when there is diversity 
as 
 pertains to different schools.  Now, the prospect of being done in 
by 
 a hog farm, well, somehow it just figures.  Perhaps the community 
and 
 town can fight this thing off.  Of course the prognosis for the 
 movement seems bad to very poor, and they still figure pretty big 
into 
 the equation I think.
 
 lurk
  
 
  
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vastu homes now for sale

2005-10-25 Thread pibssmith
Chris Johnson who owns the Mandala 6 operation or runs it says the 
current policy though always changing is 20% of the gross 
buidling/house cost ,insane.
Vastu Homes is another development on B St and they may do something 
different but I suspect Rick is right and it is the same all across 
the board. They all usually follow suit.
I cant understand why none have gone A Wald but maybe they signed 
agreements  with the TMO go figure  etc etc etc
Michael Borden and a few others in town will build SV Vastu and are 
not tied in to the movements nazi thing but most of the buiders and 
architexts surprisingly are . Shocking as that may sound to those 
who dont live here. If they all just rebeled we might get back to 
normal housing prices here but they dont. And they are not all so 
straight but must feel they have to do this or people wont want them 
if they are not certified not sure. I know gobs of people that would 
love cheaper Vastu houses that would be happy to pay normal prices. 
Chris Johnsons motto is If you want wait long enough it changes 
again policy wise so never worry about it He is cool that way but 
always follows what MMY says to a tee and MMY or his office calls 
him all the time guess that is reason enough to follow in his mind.  
You would think he would stand up to him and tell him it wont fly. I 
dont know why he just does not do his own thing but he wife is ultra 
straight. In this town you have to just live your own life. If you 
follow the TMO you will be poor and non the more enlightened.

 on 10/25/05 1:37 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Price includes royalties to Global Country of World Peace
  
  
  How much do they get?
 
 Probably 20%







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thank for the Hog support

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/25/05 9:04 PM, pibssmith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you for your replies to Hogs
 
 Another depressing thing is inspite of whatever feeling many of us
 about the TMO the school MSAE is the crowning jewel so sweet and
 such a nice environment for the kids. I saw an un named person this
 past week whose spouse is a dean of one of the levels cant recall
 which and when I asked this person frankly how things were going
 with the 1-2 grade class near nil and 3-4 grade girls at 9 students
 and not sure what boys total is. That persons answers is  We are
 hoping for a miracle Here I am in Hog mire worry and she is hoping
 for a miracle to keep MSAE alive that was the best that person could
 come up with I was stunned. I asked if MUM went under if MSAE
 could survive and that person said yes but most likely parents would
 start a charter school and bring some staff with and start their own
 maybe even rent school buidling if it was not sold.

Some thoughts:

MSAE is dying because the pipeline is drying up. The baby boomers made up
the biggest wave of the TMO and their children have mostly passed MSAE age.
There is no other big wave on the horizon. MSAE can't bring in kids from
Ethiopia like MUM can. Without those foreign students, MUM would have died
already.

If the hogs aren't stopped, Fairfield may be ruined. Or it may not be too
bad in town - just in the rural areas - depending on which way the wind
blows (you don't need a weatherman to tell you that).

The places you mentioned - Boulder, etc. - are VERY expensive. Talk about
losing money! You have to have big bucks to move there now. A friend of mine
cashed in his Boulder home which he had purchased a decade or two ago and
was able to buy a nice place on 16 acres in rural Colorado and become
semi-retired.

There's some heavy shit coming down the pike IMO, and I don't mean pig
manure. Epidemics, earth changes, earthquakes, rising sea levels (flooded
coastal cities), terrorist attacks, economic collapse, social turmoil. Five
years from now Fairfield might look like a very good place to live even if
we are surrounded by hogs. But let's keep fighting to keep them piggies at
bay. Hog confinements are symptomatic of a barbaric society. If world
consciousness really does rise - smoothly or cataclysmically - maybe they
will become a thing of the past.

I heard that Maharishi once said that people can either move to Fairfield
now or come later as refugees. Maybe time will prove him right.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Thank for the Hog support

2005-10-25 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Thank you for your replies to Hogs
 
 Another depressing thing is inspite of whatever feeling many of us 
 about the TMO the school MSAE is the crowning jewel so sweet and 
 such a nice environment for the kids. I saw an un named person 
this 
 past week whose spouse is a dean of one of the levels cant recall 
 which and when I asked this person frankly how things were going 
 with the 1-2 grade class near nil and 3-4 grade girls at 9 
students 
 and not sure what boys total is. That persons answers is  We are 
 hoping for a miracle Here I am in Hog mire worry and she is 
hoping 
 for a miracle to keep MSAE alive that was the best that person 
could 
 come up with I was stunned. I asked if MUM went under if MSAE 
 could survive and that person said yes but most likely parents 
would 
 start a charter school and bring some staff with and start their 
own 
 maybe even rent school buidling if it was not sold.
 

*

Numbers are down at MSAE, but they still have a substantial 
enrollment, close to MUM's ~360 (and MUM can stay afloat forever as 
a small school with its volunteer labor force) -- from today's 
http://www.ffledger.com :

 Enrollment down at Maharishi School
 By Lacey Jacobs, Ledger staff writer October 25, 2005 

Enrollment is down this year at Maharishi School of the Age of 
Enlightenment to 225 students from 268 students last year.

  According to June Schindler, director of student accounts at 
Maharishi School, the drop can be attributed to more students 
graduating than enrolling.


  Schindler said 42 seniors graduated in June while only nine 
students began kindergarten this school year.


  Demographics are influencing the smaller enrollment numbers. 
Schindler said there are less meditators in town with young children.


  Currently, 69 students are enrolled in grades kindergarten 
through six, 44 students in grades seven and eight, and 112 students 
in grades nine through 12.







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[FairfieldLife] Ringo

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Ringo





From the collector's book, Postcards From the Boys by Ringo Starr (September, 2004):

There was so much good music in Rishikesh. A lot of the guys wrote some good songs there - if nothing else, that was well worth it. In many ways it was also our first experience of being left alone, although the press caught up with us and photographed us leaving. But we did have plenty of time on our own. The bathroom was full of scorpions - these are just flash memories - you had to make a lot of noise before you went in. And that was that. I'm still glad I went and feel so blessed I met the Maharishi - he gave me a mantra that no-one can take away and I still use it. Ringo Starr 






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[FairfieldLife] Sleep tricks, was: HA HA - A name and form joke

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/25/05 3:16 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sometimes after going to bed, or after waking during the night, I
 will still my mind in order to allow my autonomic nervous system to
 take over and put me back to sleep. I've noticed that when I still
 my mind, one of the things to go away is any thought of I or
 reference to I. Because there is nothing to identify with at all,
 I will experience a momentary fear before moving into sleep. It is
 like death in that way. And then I awaken a few hours later, as
 myself, having slept well.

I usually meditate before sleep, something Maharishi once told me to do (for
1/2 an hour), but when I lie down, I often play a little game in which I
imagine that I'm surrendering to death, not just to sleep. I imagine that
this is it - I'm never going to wake up. Somehow this is very profound.
There's a much more complete sense of surrender to it. No fear.

I also have this thing when I wake up in the middle of the night to pee.
I'll get back in bed and notice a constant buzz in my nervous system
which, I realize, is always there. I'm able to consciously relax in such a
way as to stop it entirely, then I go to sleep again.




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[FairfieldLife] teaching natural law concepts to children?

2005-10-25 Thread wvansant
Anyone have any advice for age appropriate ways to teach Vedic Science to kids? 
Songs, games, etc? Thanks!



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Thank for the Hog support

2005-10-25 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 10/25/05 9:04 PM, pibssmith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thank you for your replies to Hogs
  
  Another depressing thing is inspite of whatever feeling many of 
us
  about the TMO the school MSAE is the crowning jewel so sweet and
  such a nice environment for the kids. I saw an un named person 
this
  past week whose spouse is a dean of one of the levels cant recall
  which and when I asked this person frankly how things were going
  with the 1-2 grade class near nil and 3-4 grade girls at 9 
students
  and not sure what boys total is. That persons answers is  We are
  hoping for a miracle Here I am in Hog mire worry and she is 
hoping
  for a miracle to keep MSAE alive that was the best that person 
could
  come up with I was stunned. I asked if MUM went under if MSAE
  could survive and that person said yes but most likely parents 
would
  start a charter school and bring some staff with and start their 
own
  maybe even rent school buidling if it was not sold.
 
 Some thoughts:
 
 MSAE is dying because the pipeline is drying up. The baby boomers 
made up
 the biggest wave of the TMO and their children have mostly passed 
MSAE age.
 There is no other big wave on the horizon. MSAE can't bring in 
kids from
 Ethiopia like MUM can. Without those foreign students, MUM would 
have died
 already.
 
 If the hogs aren't stopped, Fairfield may be ruined. Or it may not 
be too
 bad in town - just in the rural areas - depending on which way the 
wind
 blows (you don't need a weatherman to tell you that).
 
 The places you mentioned - Boulder, etc. - are VERY expensive. 
Talk about
 losing money! You have to have big bucks to move there now. A 
friend of mine
 cashed in his Boulder home which he had purchased a decade or two 
ago and
 was able to buy a nice place on 16 acres in rural Colorado and 
become
 semi-retired.
 
 There's some heavy shit coming down the pike IMO, and I don't mean 
pig
 manure. Epidemics, earth changes, earthquakes, rising sea levels 
(flooded
 coastal cities), terrorist attacks, economic collapse, social 
turmoil. Five
 years from now Fairfield might look like a very good place to live 
even if
 we are surrounded by hogs. But let's keep fighting to keep them 
piggies at
 bay. Hog confinements are symptomatic of a barbaric society. If 
world
 consciousness really does rise - smoothly or cataclysmically - 
maybe they
 will become a thing of the past.
 

 I heard that Maharishi once said that people can either move to 
Fairfield
 now or come later as refugees. Maybe time will prove him right.




Fairfield will be a bright spot someday, I'm sure, but for now, it's 
garnering bad press -- The WB's new show Supernatural has an episode 
this week set in Fairfield where a crazy guy slashes a college 
student:
http://thewb.warnerbros.com/web/show_episode.jsp?id=SN102






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thank for the Hog support

2005-10-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/25/05 11:22 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fairfield will be a bright spot someday, I'm sure, but for now, it's
 garnering bad press -- The WB's new show Supernatural has an episode
 this week set in Fairfield where a crazy guy slashes a college
 student:
 http://thewb.warnerbros.com/web/show_episode.jsp?id=SN102
 
What makes you think that's Fairfield?:

The infamous Hook Man, a vengeful spirit who kills his victims with a
shiny hook that serves as his hand, terrorizes a small college town in Iowa.
Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) learn that all the victims
are connected to the daughter of a local minister and race to find and
destroy the Hook Man's bones before he comes for them.

John Shiban wrote the episode directed by David Jackson
--
 
Rick Archer
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Fairfield, IA 52556
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[FairfieldLife] Asheville TM center

2005-10-25 Thread bbrigante
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