[FairfieldLife] Re: Deprogrammer

2006-05-22 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blissbunn1 blissbuni@ 
wrote:
 
  Is there a cult deprogrammer there for support?
 
 Sorry. Cult deprogrammer is the next forum over. This is 
 TM Argument.

But it wasn't before the TM cult zombies got here,
not on the personal level it is these days.

And they've been particularly embarrassing today.
What is it about Sundays and having nothing to do
that brings these people out for their favorite
therapy of arguing and being superior to others.
Is this some kind of official SPORT among TMers,
like football is for other Americans when they're
bored on a Sunday? :-)











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[FairfieldLife] Re: physics and the transcendent

2006-05-22 Thread cardemaister



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry 
hyperbolicgeometry@ 
 wrote:
 
  Some of the early quantum pioneers considered the relationship 
  between pure Consciousness and phenomena, concluding that the 
  Transcendent in the context of Brahman points to analogous 
concepts 
  in physics; but contrary to what MMY would have people believe, 
there 
  is no physics of his Unified Field. 
 
 There is in Hagelin's original work to make Flipped SU(5) more 
vedic and in his relatively 
 more recent work with MMY that examined what Hagelin 
termed uncanny (or similar term) 
 parallels at ALL levels between the QM description of the world and 
the vedic.


I think Rco akSare... is a good example of that.
/Rco/ is sandhi for /RcaH/ which in turn is at least
nominative plural of /Rk/ (as in Rg-veda: Rk + veda).
I think Maharishi translates /RcaH/ to impulses of
creative intelligence, or something like that. 
I guess it's pure coincidence, but in Finnish the
word rikki means 'broken'. Thus, one might say that
/Rk/ refers to the first level(?) of symmetry breaking... :0
The word /akSara/ can be read at least either as 
a /karma-dhaaraya(?)/-compound (imperishable) or as
a /tatpuruSa(?)/-compound (kSara of 'a' [the sound 'ah'])
And so on, and so on... ad infinitum... blah blah blah... :)










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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Scuse me

2006-05-22 Thread TurquoiseB



  Wheee. Thanks for sharing, blissbunn1. I'm sure that 
  people will be standing at the side of 
  the road with Welcome blissbunn1 signs...

 What did I do to deserve that?

You were overly receptive to seeing the machinations
of the TM movement in a different light. So the folks
from the New Inquisition got panicky and had to start
posting compulsively here to let you know that you're
under scrutiny and how your statements would be viewed
by the TM authorities and that you should be afraid.

At least that's probably what they tell themselves.
I think it's *them* who are afraid, but that's just me...











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread Ingegerd



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 5/21/06 1:53 PM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Sick people? What course was this? Vedic Science, New Delhi?
  
  The 5000 Vedic Course in New Delhi - where the fifth floor was
  established as an Hospital - and the dogs and cats and what ever 
was
  walking in the vegetables is the backyard and the big icecubes 
were
  stored in the toilettes.
  Ingegerd
 
 I was on that 5th floor for a while. Quite a scene. You could see 
the
 kitchen hygiene by looking out the window. Veggie choppers sitting 
on the
 ground with their dirty feed in the veggies they were chopping.

I have some pictures of this. My diet was very simple at the course -
 Rice and hot milk - and I avoided the 5th floor.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Bob has a very sharp intellect and an undeveloped heart. 

In other words, he's a TMer. 

(Just suggesting that you could shorten your sentence.)












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[FairfieldLife] Re: French are rudest, most boring people on earth: British poll

2006-05-22 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 LONDON (AFP) - The French have been voted the world's
 most unfriendly nation by a landslide in a new British
 poll published. They were also voted the most boring
 and most ungenerous. 

In a followup man-in-the-cafe poll in Paris,
the French voted the English more likely to
respond to the overwhelming boredom of their
lives by conducting a poll in which they could 
rag on someone non-British than they were to 
deal with that boredom by going out and getting 
laid.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread Ingegerd



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
fairfieldlife@ 
  wrote:
  
   on 5/21/06 2:34 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:

And my sin was even bigger. I refused to see MMY when the 
course 
  was
over, because I could not stand the smell and the whole 
atmosphere.
A very bad thing to do, I was told.
Ingegerd
   
   The smell and atmosphere around MMY? He was always surrounded 
by 
  flowers.
   How could you not have liked the smell?
  
  It was the smell in the building - the whole atmosphere with all 
the 
  sick people. I am sure MMY was surrounded by flowers, but that 
was not 
  in my mind. 
 
 That you were more concerned with the negative then with the 
positive says something 
 about where YOU were coming from. Perhaps this was a result of 
unstressing due to the 
 course, or perhaps you simply were coming to a realization that 
the TMO wasn't for you, 
 or some combinaion of the two.

You are the knower, you tell me.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread Ingegerd



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 5/21/06 1:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Yes there is. There's a mindset, explicitly cultivated by MMY, 
that
  helping people on a relative level is inferior to developing
  individual and collective consciousness, so as to get to the 
root
  of all problems.
  
  That should only stop you from failing to give your own
  development priority. It shouldn't stop you from *also*
  engaging in charitable activities.
 
 Shouldn't but does. Granted, there have been many projects in 3rd 
world
 countries where large groups have been taught for free. But 
there's an
 explicit doctrine in the TMO that our role is to teach people to 
transcend,
 and that's the highest dharma. It's others' job to feed, cloth, 
house, them,
 etc. From that perspective, your money gets the most leverage if 
is donated
 to the TMO, and not to charitable organizations. Now if the TMO 
were to use
 all that money to do what it says it should be doing, there 
wouldn't be a
 problem. But because Maharishi has explicitly encouraged the 
attitude among
 his elite that they are superior, higher ups in the movement 
become haughty
 and egotistical, not more humble as you'll find in some spiritual
 organizations. When he sent the 108's on field projects, he told 
them not to
 fraternize with the local teachers, but to remain aloof and 
superior.
 Sometimes movement hotshots would come into town for a project and 
demand to
 be put in the best hotel it town, rather than the decent one 
reserved for
 them. This culturing of egotism is probably accountable for the 
squandering
 of millions of dollars, most notably among the Shrivastavas 
running the
 Indian movement.

And in week-end-courses with WPA at the same place, the rules was 
that Sidhas should not talk and eat or mingle with ordinary 
meditators.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deprogrammer

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blissbunn1 blissbuni@ 
 wrote:
  
   Is there a cult deprogrammer there for support?
  
  Sorry. Cult deprogrammer is the next forum over. This is 
  TM Argument.
 
 But it wasn't before the TM cult zombies got here,
 not on the personal level it is these days.
 
 And they've been particularly embarrassing today.
 What is it about Sundays and having nothing to do
 that brings these people out for their favorite
 therapy of arguing and being superior to others.
 Is this some kind of official SPORT among TMers,
 like football is for other Americans when they're
 bored on a Sunday? :-)


I resemble that remark...











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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 
  Bob has a very sharp intellect and an undeveloped heart. 
 
 In other words, he's a TMer. 
 
 (Just suggesting that you could shorten your sentence.)


So all TMers have sharp intellects and undeveloped hearts?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 fairfieldlife@ wrote:
 
  on 5/21/06 1:04 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
   
   Yes there is. There's a mindset, explicitly cultivated by MMY, 
 that
   helping people on a relative level is inferior to developing
   individual and collective consciousness, so as to get to the 
 root
   of all problems.
   
   That should only stop you from failing to give your own
   development priority. It shouldn't stop you from *also*
   engaging in charitable activities.
  
  Shouldn't but does. Granted, there have been many projects in 3rd 
 world
  countries where large groups have been taught for free. But 
 there's an
  explicit doctrine in the TMO that our role is to teach people to 
 transcend,
  and that's the highest dharma. It's others' job to feed, cloth, 
 house, them,
  etc. From that perspective, your money gets the most leverage if 
 is donated
  to the TMO, and not to charitable organizations. Now if the TMO 
 were to use
  all that money to do what it says it should be doing, there 
 wouldn't be a
  problem. But because Maharishi has explicitly encouraged the 
 attitude among
  his elite that they are superior, higher ups in the movement 
 become haughty
  and egotistical, not more humble as you'll find in some spiritual
  organizations. When he sent the 108's on field projects, he told 
 them not to
  fraternize with the local teachers, but to remain aloof and 
 superior.
  Sometimes movement hotshots would come into town for a project and 
 demand to
  be put in the best hotel it town, rather than the decent one 
 reserved for
  them. This culturing of egotism is probably accountable for the 
 squandering
  of millions of dollars, most notably among the Shrivastavas 
 running the
  Indian movement.
 
 And in week-end-courses with WPA at the same place, the rules was 
 that Sidhas should not talk and eat or mingle with ordinary 
 meditators.

For fear that the conversation would drift into discussions of sidhis experiences and 
sutras, I believe.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deprogrammer

2006-05-22 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blissbunn1 blissbuni@ 
  wrote:
   
Is there a cult deprogrammer there for support?
   
   Sorry. Cult deprogrammer is the next forum over. This is 
   TM Argument.
  
  But it wasn't before the TM cult zombies got here,
  not on the personal level it is these days.
  
  And they've been particularly embarrassing today.
  What is it about Sundays and having nothing to do
  that brings these people out for their favorite
  therapy of arguing and being superior to others.
  Is this some kind of official SPORT among TMers,
  like football is for other Americans when they're
  bored on a Sunday? :-)
 
 I resemble that remark...

Yes, you do.

Have you ever considered that boredom is one 
of the *triggers* of your OCD? You have nothing
to say about your life because not much is 
happening in it, so you log on to the Internet
so you can piggyback off of the things that
other people say and fill the void.

I mean, that's really the way it looks from
here, man. You were doing well there for a 
while, keeping your compulsions to say nothing
repeatedly under control, but like in Poltergeist,
They're BACCK...

It was so pleasant around here without having
to Next past dozens of your compulsive posts.
Next time you're bored on a Sunday and feeling
the need to say something -- *anything* -- to 
make it seem as if you have something to say, 
could you consider keeping it to a couple of 
posts instead of twenty?












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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
  
   Bob has a very sharp intellect and an undeveloped heart. 
  
  In other words, he's a TMer. 
  
  (Just suggesting that you could shorten your sentence.)
 
 So all TMers have sharp intellects and undeveloped hearts?

You caught me in an overgeneralization. Not all 
of them have sharp intellects.












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deprogrammer

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blissbunn1 
blissbuni@ 
   wrote:

 Is there a cult deprogrammer there for support?

Sorry. Cult deprogrammer is the next forum over. This is 
TM Argument.
   
   But it wasn't before the TM cult zombies got here,
   not on the personal level it is these days.
   
   And they've been particularly embarrassing today.
   What is it about Sundays and having nothing to do
   that brings these people out for their favorite
   therapy of arguing and being superior to others.
   Is this some kind of official SPORT among TMers,
   like football is for other Americans when they're
   bored on a Sunday? :-)
  
  I resemble that remark...
 
 Yes, you do.
 
 Have you ever considered that boredom is one 
 of the *triggers* of your OCD? You have nothing
 to say about your life because not much is 
 happening in it, so you log on to the Internet
 so you can piggyback off of the things that
 other people say and fill the void.
 
 I mean, that's really the way it looks from
 here, man. You were doing well there for a 
 while, keeping your compulsions to say nothing
 repeatedly under control, but like in Poltergeist,
 They're BACCK...
 
 It was so pleasant around here without having
 to Next past dozens of your compulsive posts.
 Next time you're bored on a Sunday and feeling
 the need to say something -- *anything* -- to 
 make it seem as if you have something to say, 
 could you consider keeping it to a couple of 
 posts instead of twenty?


In the interest of full disclosure, Spare Egg, are the medications 
you are taking influencing your compulsion to have to answer each 
and every post?










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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
   wrote:
   
Bob has a very sharp intellect and an undeveloped heart. 
   
   In other words, he's a TMer. 
   
   (Just suggesting that you could shorten your sentence.)
  
  So all TMers have sharp intellects and undeveloped hearts?
 
 You caught me in an overgeneralization. Not all 
 of them have sharp intellects.


Ah, but all have underdeveloped hearts?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deprogrammer

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blissbunn1 blissbuni@ 
   wrote:

 Is there a cult deprogrammer there for support?

Sorry. Cult deprogrammer is the next forum over. This is 
TM Argument.
   
   But it wasn't before the TM cult zombies got here,
   not on the personal level it is these days.
   
   And they've been particularly embarrassing today.
   What is it about Sundays and having nothing to do
   that brings these people out for their favorite
   therapy of arguing and being superior to others.
   Is this some kind of official SPORT among TMers,
   like football is for other Americans when they're
   bored on a Sunday? :-)
  
  I resemble that remark...
 
 Yes, you do.
 
 Have you ever considered that boredom is one 
 of the *triggers* of your OCD? You have nothing
 to say about your life because not much is 
 happening in it, so you log on to the Internet
 so you can piggyback off of the things that
 other people say and fill the void.

No doubt some truth to that. However...

 
 I mean, that's really the way it looks from
 here, man. You were doing well there for a 
 while, keeping your compulsions to say nothing
 repeatedly under control, but like in Poltergeist,
 They're BACCK...
 

Well, I participated heavily in about 4 threads. So did several other people. My computer 
was not functional for a while saturday, when most of the messages I was responding to 
came in on Saturday, so Sunday, after I hooked up my computer again, I responded to all, 
all at once.

 It was so pleasant around here without having
 to Next past dozens of your compulsive posts.
 Next time you're bored on a Sunday and feeling
 the need to say something -- *anything* -- to 
 make it seem as if you have something to say, 
 could you consider keeping it to a couple of 
 posts instead of twenty?


Nyah. Best if you just kill-file me.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deprogrammer

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[...]
 In the interest of full disclosure, Spare Egg, are the medications 
 you are taking influencing your compulsion to have to answer each 
 and every post?


Only in threads which I have a strong interest in where numerous messages appeared during 
a day that I had no access to computer.










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: physics and the transcendent

2006-05-22 Thread Vaj




On May 21, 2006, at 9:05 PM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry 
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 wrote:
 
  Some of the early quantum pioneers considered the relationship
  between pure Consciousness and phenomena, concluding that the
  Transcendent in the context of Brahman points to analogous 
 concepts
  in physics; but contrary to what MMY would have people believe, 
 there
  is no physics of his Unified Field.

 There is in Hagelin's original work to make Flipped SU(5) more 
 vedic and in his relatively
 more recent work with MMY that examined what Hagelin termed 
 uncanny (or similar term)
 parallels at ALL levels between the QM description of the world and 
 the vedic.

Of course Christian Creation theory enthusiasts also love to draw 
parallels between Quantum physics and their beliefs. So both the TM 
mythos and Creation science draw similar analogies to push (or sell) 
their ideas--now that's a parallel that's interesting!

In other words Vedic creation science and Christian Creation science 
share this same basis. Go figure.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread Sal Sunshine
That's one explanation.  Another might be that he's a really lonely person (not too surprising considering how he communicates) with an unsatisfying life, so he comes online and starts swinging at any available target.  I could swear some of his messages were jokes if I didn't know better.  Take the one about Rick supposedly deleting his post--every regular on this forum knows Rick doesn't do that, probably hasn't deleted one since the forum started--and yet there was Bob fabricating reality out of whole cloth.  Hard to believe you were ever that tough a case, Jim.

Sal
 
On May 21, 2006, at 9:50 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@> 
> wrote:
> >
> >  It's all that bubbling bliss Bob feels inside, Lurk.  Sometimes 
it  
> > gets so overwhelming he just doesn't know how to express it.  :)
> > 
> > Sal
> 
> Okay, it's Sunday afternoon.  Just did three hours of yard work, 
my 
> car battery has gone dead, and I just finished two Mountain Dews. 
So 
> before I go out and tackle the battery, I want to offer my theory 
on 
> Bob and his venom.  I think Bob harbors resentment that he did not 
> come up with FFL.  Instead he is left with his Mumbull, which is 
kind 
> of dull.  Before I discovered FFL, mumbull was my source of news 
on 
> TMO.  I don't believe I've ever seen a reference to FFL on 
mumbull, so 
> I think Bob gets his news wholesale on FFL and then retails it on 
> mumbull. Bob's venom just smacks of some kind of resentment.  Thus 
> saith the 
> 
> lurk
>
Bob has a very sharp intellect and an undeveloped heart. Been there, 
done that.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/21/06 7:13:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hagelin 
  raised many good points (IMHO) during the campaign. That's the main funtion of 
  most 3rd parties in the USA.

Nobody paid any attention to Hagelin. How many votes did he 
get in the election?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Meera Nanda debunks Vedic Creation Science.

It's interesting to read the user reviews on Amazon
of Nanda's major book, Prophets Looking Backward,
which deals with the same topic as this essay.

Of eleven reviews, five give it five stars and six
give it one star (one of these is headed, Because
I could not give it a zero!).

The negative reviews complain that Nanda's scholarship
is seriously deficient with regard to the primary Vedic
texts and what is actually proposed by proponents of
Vedic science (generic, not MMY's per se), and that her
argument is therefore against a straw man.

A representative negative review:

Falls flat, January 27, 2004 
Reviewer: A customer from Concord 
I was eager to read this book after I saw the author's summary of her 
argument in Frontline. But I was disappointed in how she develops her 
case. Apparently, she does not possess adequate knowledge of the 
Indian scientific literature, and she relies on summaries of it which 
are out of date or have been refuted. This is one of the three legs 
of the stool, and as it falls, the general argument becomes invalid.

Nevertheless, the question of how Hindutva groups use modern science 
for a variety of political purposes is most interesting. If only it 
was examined by a scholar who knew the Indian science part of the 
evidence.

And a representative positive review (note the title!):

Don't listen to the naysayers, May 27, 2004 
Reviewer: Amardeep Singh from New Haven, CT United States 
This is a much-needed argument, and excellent research. Nanda levels 
a devastating attack on the pseudo-science of the Hindu right. She 
also suggests that a wooly postmodernism in science studies and 
cultural studies are at best incapable of defending against 
Hindutva's form of anti-modern 'hybridity'. At worst, postmodernism 
is a direct asset to the ideology of Hindu nationalism. 

Some of Nanda's points may be arguable, but this book is clearly 
written and well-researched. The arguments are forcefully presented 
and highly accessible. Academics and non-academics alike will be 
challenged by her points even if they disagree with her.

http://tinyurl.com/n7btw











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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread jim_flanegin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 That's one explanation. Another might be that he's a really 
lonely 
 person (not too surprising considering how he communicates) with 
an 
 unsatisfying life, so he comes online and starts swinging at any 
 available target. I could swear some of his messages were jokes 
if I 
 didn't know better. Take the one about Rick supposedly deleting 
his 
 post--every regular on this forum knows Rick doesn't do that, 
probably 
 hasn't deleted one since the forum started--and yet there was Bob 
 fabricating reality out of whole cloth. Hard to believe you were 
ever 
 that tough a case, Jim.
 
 Sal
 
Seeing things as they are, and not being able to open one's heart 
will create a very lonely person. It is as if the intellect is 
nearly transparent, and yet because the heart's love has not yet 
become universal, the ego usurps the intellect for itself, making 
unfavorable comparisons of nearly everything and everyone to itself.
PS Whether or not I was as tough a case, it was a very uncomfortable 
existence.
 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In a message dated 5/21/06 7:13:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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 Hagelin raised many good points (IMHO) during the campaign. That's
 the main funtion of most 3rd parties in the USA.
 
 Nobody paid any attention to Hagelin.

His platform certainly didn't get much attention from
the media. One prominent pundit (Chris Matthews of
MSNBC's Hardball), in a brief discussion of third
parties, referred to Hagelin's party as the Natural
Foods Party.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  Meera Nanda debunks Vedic Creation Science.
 
 It's interesting to read the user reviews on Amazon
 of Nanda's major book, Prophets Looking Backward,

Sorry, that should be Prophets Facing Backward.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 That's one explanation. Another might be that he's a really lonely 
 person (not too surprising considering how he communicates) with an 
 unsatisfying life, so he comes online and starts swinging at any 
 available target. I could swear some of his messages were jokes if
 I didn't know better. Take the one about Rick supposedly deleting 
 his post--every regular on this forum knows Rick doesn't do that, 
 probably hasn't deleted one since the forum started--and yet there 
 was Bob fabricating reality out of whole cloth.

Not to excuse Bob blaming the deletion on Rick, but
that Bob deleted his own post at least suggests he
wasn't proud of it.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY UK Fatwa - One year on. (Was: A letter to Maharishi).

2006-05-22 Thread uns_tressor



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ 
wrote:

These people do not go through his mail and sort it into
piles labelled Important, Discretionary, and Shred.
There will be relatively low level staff who arrive before
the office gets going. They have a heavy burden of responsiblity
to bear, and at some point, all will be known.

 So, just who are these secret handlers? 
 Are you saying that we don't know?
 David Lynch is on the BoTrustees of MUM. The Rajahs 
are all public. His nephews are known. The ministers of 
the Global Country are known. Just whose identity 
is secret here?

  
  Yes, I agree.
  What his handlers do not realise is that their identities and 
  practices will remain covered until MMY dies. At that time, their
  activities are going to leak out and the devasting effect that
  they have had on the TMO will come out. They will be named,shamed,
  and blamed for the fact that the movement has run off the motorway
  and is down an embankment, upside down with its wheeels slowly
  spinning.
 

Yes, I agree.
What his handlers do not realise is that their identities and
practices will remain covered until MMY dies. At that time, their
activities are going to leak out and the devasting effect that
they have had on the TMO will come out. They will be named,shamed,
and blamed for the fact that the movement has run off the motorway
and is down an embankment, upside down with its wheeels slowly
spinning.


Wouldn't it be interesting if he ever got to read
this letter? But of course that can never happen.
Even if you sent it, his handlers would filter
it out and make sure he never saw it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Maharish Mahesh Yogi,
 Vlodrop,
 Netherlands.


 May 11, 2006. 0.00 BST.


 Dear Maharishi,


 A year ago, you banned the giving of Guru Dev's
 gift to anybody in the British Isles. This was
 because Tony Blair was returned to power at the
 General Election as a result of 22% of those on
 the voting list voting for him. It is reasonable
 to suppose that you imagined that this would
 have some sort of special impact on the UK.

 During this year, Nature has sent misfortunes.
 Some are listed below:

 1. Pakistan. Earthquake. October. 70,000+ dead.
 2. USA. Hurricane Katrina. 1600 estimated dead
 3. Phillipines. Mud landslide. Feb 16. 1,500+ die
 4. USA. Hurrican Stan. Guatamala. 1513 dead.
 5. India. Earthquake. Oct. 1300 dead.
 6. Iraq. Bagdad. Aug 31 1000 dead panic stampede
 7. India. Maharashtra floods of July. 1000 killed
 8. Egypt. Ferry capsizes. Feb 2nd. 1,000+
 9. China. Floods. June. 771 died.
 10. Nigeria. Measles epidemic. 561 dead.
 11. Mecca, Mina. Jan. 360 die in panic
 12. Iraq. Jan 4. 200 dead in retaliatory bloodshed
 13. Baghdad. Al Zakarwi's return. 150 die in a day
 14. India. Gujarat Floods. 123 killed. July 2005
 15. USA. Hurricane Rita. 119 die
 16. Baghdad. July 17. +100 killed car bomb
 17. Iraq. September 29. 95 die in set of bombs
 18. Nigeria. Christian/Islamic riots.80 die.Feb 23
 19. Iraq. 79 killed. Attack on mosque. April 7.
 20. Iraq. Nov 18. 74 dead. Shia East Iraq. Bombs
 21. Iraq. Crowded market bomb. 71 killed. May 11.
 22. Iraq. Ramadi 70 killed. (by mistake?) Oct 17
 23. Mexico City. 66 die in coach crash April 17.
 24. Iran. Earthquake. Mar 31. 66+ killed
 25. Mexico. mining disaster. 65 killed. Feb 19.
 26. Poland. Roof collapse (snow). 62 dead. Jan 28
 27. *** France. 14 days of riots. 4,000 cars burnt.
 28. *** Central Europe. Floods. Aug 2005
 29. Russia. Roof collapse. 57 killed. Feb 23rd
 30. Bahrain. Pleasure boat sinks. 57 die. Mar 30.

 At No. 27, 28, I have included two events which
 are rather strange. I believe that although they
 involved little or no loss of life, they should be
 still be listed.

 The British Isles did suffer a misfortune; on July 7,
 suicide bombers blew up three underground trains.
 Since the list is based on loss of life, this incident
 does not merit inclusion. It would feature somewhere
 down in the thirties or, because the list is not
 complete, possibly in the forties.

 I would ask you one question, Maharishi:
 Do you rate your actions on May 11 2005 a success?
















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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked

2006-05-22 Thread Vaj




On May 22, 2006, at 9:47 AM, authfriend wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Meera Nanda debunks Vedic Creation Science.

 It's interesting to read the user reviews on Amazon
 of Nanda's major book, Prophets Looking Backward,
 which deals with the same topic as this essay.

 Of eleven reviews, five give it five stars and six
 give it one star (one of these is headed, Because
 I could not give it a zero!).

 The negative reviews complain that Nanda's scholarship
 is seriously deficient with regard to the primary Vedic
 texts and what is actually proposed by proponents of
 Vedic science (generic, not MMY's per se), and that her
 argument is therefore against a straw man.


Yeah I saw that. Amazon's rating system is notoriously manipulated to 
people who want to trash books, which in some cases they've not even 
read.

One wonders if these are TMO fundies or other Neo-Hindu adherents 
chiming in. I'd bet money they are. The fact that vedic creationism 
is part of the Indian religious right, and esp. since many (if not 
not most) TMers would probably be part of the religious or agnostic 
left, seems to be a hard pill for many of them to swallow...bizarre 
since the American equivalent (the American religious right) are 
often counterpoised to the New Age cults like the TMO. Who would've 
guessed that these two generally counterpoised groups would both have 
arisen from the common ground of religious fundamentalism and 
patriotic nationalism.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread Sal Sunshine
Except someone that tightly wound doesn't see things clearly, he sees through the prism of his anger or stress.  Name-calling, accusatory language, gross disrespect for the feelings of others--all signs of very unhealthy mentality, whatever the intellect may be.  Of course that would be uncomfortable, how could it not.  Actions like that basically just perpetuate themselves, and until Bob (or whoever else engages in them) is willing to take a long look in the mirror--as we all should do--and at least attempt to develop some basic skills for getting along with others, it's unlikely to stop.  

Sal


On May 22, 2006, at 8:51 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:

Seeing things as they are, and not being able to open one's heart 
will create a very lonely person. It is as if the intellect is 
nearly transparent, and yet because the heart's love has not yet 
become universal, the ego usurps the intellect for itself, making 
unfavorable comparisons of nearly everything and everyone to itself.
PS Whether or not I was as tough a case, it was a very uncomfortable 
existence.




[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread jim_flanegin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 
  Bob has a very sharp intellect and an undeveloped heart. 
 
 In other words, he's a TMer. 
 
 (Just suggesting that you could shorten your sentence.)

Ha-Ha!!! Good one! 

Probably true. The constant, reliable transcending [of TM] does make 
the intellect transparent after awhile. Then, being able to 
comprehend the world, the challenge becomes having enough courage to 
face fears and assumptions, thereby opening the heart. 

The challenge is, that while this intellect has been purified, 
there's a little fella called the ego, who has been taking all the 
credit. So, by using the discrimination of the intellect, we must 
find ways to confront the discomfort arising from this lack of 
balance, and surrender the ego to the Self.













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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread Sal Sunshine
OK, I see what you mean about not being proud--of the *post,* right?  I thought you meant not being proud of the deletion.

Either way, it was followed by a lie.  Hard to believe Bob didn't realize that any deletion could be traced.

Sal


On May 22, 2006, at 8:56 AM, authfriend wrote:

Not to excuse Bob blaming the deletion on Rick, but
that Bob deleted his own post at least suggests he
wasn't proud of it.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread Sal Sunshine
Or that he was blatantly trying to lie his way out of it--or both.

Sal


On May 22, 2006, at 8:56 AM, authfriend wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> That's one explanation.  Another might be that he's a really lonely 
> person (not too surprising considering how he communicates) with an 
> unsatisfying life, so he comes online and starts swinging at any 
> available target.  I could swear some of his messages were jokes if
> I didn't know better.  Take the one about Rick supposedly deleting 
> his post--every regular on this forum knows Rick doesn't do that, 
> probably hasn't deleted one since the forum started--and yet there 
> was Bob fabricating reality out of whole cloth.

Not to excuse Bob blaming the deletion on Rick, but
that Bob deleted his own post at least suggests he
wasn't proud of it.


[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 5/21/06 9:39 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  But there's an
  explicit doctrine in the TMO that our role is to teach people to
  transcend, and that's the highest dharma. It's others' job to 
feed,
  cloth, house, them, etc. From that perspective, your money gets
  the most leverage if is donated to the TMO, and not to charitable
  organizations.
  
  And if that makes sense to you, then give your money
  and time to the TMO, by all means.
  
  But as I said, nothing is *stopping* the individual
  TMer from working for or donating to a non-TMO
  charity.
  
  What you go on to say is a different issue, or set
  of issues. It doesn't address your initial demand
  that the TMO's charitable works be cited in
  comparison to Amma's, or Shemp's response that the
  two organizations have different goals.
  
  If you want to ask how well Amma's group has fulfilled
  its stated goal versus how well the TMO has fulfilled
  its stated goal, that's a reasonable question.
  
  Demanding that the TMO match Amma's charitable works
  or be considered a failure, in contrast, makes no
  sense at all.
 
 Points well taken. Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that if
 Maharishi had put greater emphasis on compassion and caring for 
 people it would have helped the evolution of the individuals in the 
 movement, as well as helping the whole organization fulfill its 
 goals. As it is, the movement is now perceived by many as being all 
 about money.

MMY has always insisted that one should practice the
religion of one's heritage. Virtually every religion
emphasizes compassion and caring for people and provides
opportunities for its followers to practice these
values.

Given this, MMY seems to feel that for the TMO to adopt
this kind of emphasis would be a duplication of effort,
whereas TM provides something most religions do not, i.e.,
a means to strengthen and universalize the ability to be
compassionate on the relative level, which can then be
implemented through the institutions whose purpose is
caring for people on this level.

As we've all seen, the fruit of this approach does not
appear to be manifesting itself in the way the TMO goes
about achieving its own goals, at least as far as we can
tell. (It's not impossible, although it does seem
unlikely at this point, that the trickle-down approach
will be successful in the long run.)

But the folks working for the TMO are a relatively small
percentage of those who practice TM. It would be
interesting to know whether it manifests itself in the
lives of the TMers who are not associated with the TMO.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deprogrammer

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



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 wrote:
  
   Is there a cult deprogrammer there for support?
  
  Sorry. Cult deprogrammer is the next forum over. This is 
  TM Argument.
 
 But it wasn't before the TM cult zombies got here,
 not on the personal level it is these days.

I can't figure out how Barry manages to tie his 
shoelaces in the morning.

(Of course, *he* never argues on the personal level.)












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[FairfieldLife] Re: physics and the transcendent

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On May 21, 2006, at 9:05 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry 
  hyperbolicgeometry@
  wrote:
  
   Some of the early quantum pioneers considered the relationship
   between pure Consciousness and phenomena, concluding that the
   Transcendent in the context of Brahman points to analogous 
  concepts
   in physics; but contrary to what MMY would have people 
believe, 
  there
   is no physics of his Unified Field.
 
  There is in Hagelin's original work to make Flipped SU(5) more 
  vedic and in his relatively
  more recent work with MMY that examined what Hagelin termed 
  uncanny (or similar term)
  parallels at ALL levels between the QM description of the world
  and the vedic.
 
 Of course Christian Creation theory enthusiasts also love to draw 
 parallels between Quantum physics and their beliefs.

What are some of those parallels, Vaj?

 So both the
 TM mythos and Creation science draw similar analogies to push (or 
 sell) their ideas--now that's a parallel that's interesting!

Actually it sounds more like the fallacy of guilt
by association.

One would need to examine the analogies and parallels
drawn by each in some detail in order to know just how
similar they really are.

TM and Creation Science are not, of course, the only
two spiritual approaches that are attempting to find a
workable rapprochement between science and spirituality,
rather than leaving things at the never the twain shall
meet stage.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: physics and the transcendent

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On May 21, 2006, at 9:05 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry 
  hyperbolicgeometry@
  wrote:
  
   Some of the early quantum pioneers considered the relationship
   between pure Consciousness and phenomena, concluding that the
   Transcendent in the context of Brahman points to analogous 
  concepts
   in physics; but contrary to what MMY would have people believe, 
  there
   is no physics of his Unified Field.
 
  There is in Hagelin's original work to make Flipped SU(5) more 
  vedic and in his relatively
  more recent work with MMY that examined what Hagelin termed 
  uncanny (or similar term)
  parallels at ALL levels between the QM description of the world and 
  the vedic.
 
 Of course Christian Creation theory enthusiasts also love to draw 
 parallels between Quantum physics and their beliefs. So both the TM 
 mythos and Creation science draw similar analogies to push (or sell) 
 their ideas--now that's a parallel that's interesting!
 

Which Christian Creation theory enthsiasts have/had an international reputation as a 
quantum field theorist?

 In other words Vedic creation science and Christian Creation science 
 share this same basis. Go figure.


Pushing/promoting one's belief-system on/to others is a universal human activity, I agree.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
  
  In a message dated 5/21/06 7:13:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  sparaig@ writes:
  
  Hagelin raised many good points (IMHO) during the campaign. That's
  the main funtion of most 3rd parties in the USA.
  
  Nobody paid any attention to Hagelin.
 
 His platform certainly didn't get much attention from
 the media. One prominent pundit (Chris Matthews of
 MSNBC's Hardball), in a brief discussion of third
 parties, referred to Hagelin's party as the Natural
 Foods Party.
 
 
 

And yet, organic food now makes up a huge percentage of all grocery sales...

 
 
 
 How many votes did he get in the 
  election?
 












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[FairfieldLife] FW: celibacy + enlightenment ?

2006-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: FW: celibacy + enlightenment ?






Hi Rick,

this should be funny in your FFL-discussion:

Research on different species of mice has shown,
that polygamous mice have bigger brains, since they
have to store all the maps inside, to know, where to find
all the femals.
Monogamous mice don't have that bigger brains, also not
the monogamous female, that are just waiting for the
male to arrive.
Gaulin + FritzGerald, book from 1989.
http://human-nature.com/ep/articles/ep03227254.html

Question from my friend:
So you can arrive more quickly at enlightenment
with a smaller brain ?

cheers

joerg.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread markmeredith2002



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  
   
   In a message dated 5/21/06 7:13:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
   sparaig@ writes:
   
   Hagelin raised many good points (IMHO) during the campaign. That's
   the main funtion of most 3rd parties in the USA.
   
   Nobody paid any attention to Hagelin.
  
  His platform certainly didn't get much attention from
  the media. One prominent pundit (Chris Matthews of
  MSNBC's Hardball), in a brief discussion of third
  parties, referred to Hagelin's party as the Natural
  Foods Party.
 
 And yet, organic food now makes up a huge percentage of all grocery
sales...

Are you implying that hagelin's campaigns are somehow responsible for
the growth of the organic foods industry?










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread Vaj




On May 22, 2006, at 10:54 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
   
   
In a message dated 5/21/06 7:13:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparaig@ writes:
   
Hagelin raised many good points (IMHO) during the campaign. 
 That's
the main funtion of most 3rd parties in the USA.
   
Nobody paid any attention to Hagelin.
  
   His platform certainly didn't get much attention from
   the media. One prominent pundit (Chris Matthews of
   MSNBC's Hardball), in a brief discussion of third
   parties, referred to Hagelin's party as the Natural
   Foods Party.

  And yet, organic food now makes up a huge percentage of all grocery
 sales...

 Are you implying that hagelin's campaigns are somehow responsible for
 the growth of the organic foods industry?

Market fluctuations are all actually linked to the number of yogic 
flyers practicing on any given day.

I would have thought you already knew that.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread Jason Spock



 That's how you became a bitch.?? You are a real asshole.jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:02:24 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.Ha-Ha!!! Good one! Probably true. The constant, reliable transcending [of TM] does make the intellect transparent after awhile. Then, being able to comprehend the world, the challenge becomes having enough courage to face fears and assumptions, thereby opening the heart. The challenge is, that while this intellect has been purified, there's a little fella called the ego, who has
 been taking all the credit. So, by using the discrimination of the intellect, we must find ways to confront the discomfort arising from this lack of balance, and surrender the ego to the Self.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: physics and the transcendent

2006-05-22 Thread Vaj




On May 22, 2006, at 10:29 AM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  On May 21, 2006, at 9:05 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
   hyperbolicgeometry@
   wrote:
   
Some of the early quantum pioneers considered the relationship
between pure Consciousness and phenomena, concluding that the
Transcendent in the context of Brahman points to analogous
   concepts
in physics; but contrary to what MMY would have people believe,
   there
is no physics of his Unified Field.
  
   There is in Hagelin's original work to make Flipped SU(5) more
   vedic and in his relatively
   more recent work with MMY that examined what Hagelin termed
   uncanny (or similar term)
   parallels at ALL levels between the QM description of the world 
 and
   the vedic.
 
  Of course Christian Creation theory enthusiasts also love to draw
  parallels between Quantum physics and their beliefs. So both the TM
  mythos and Creation science draw similar analogies to push (or sell)
  their ideas--now that's a parallel that's interesting!
 

 Which Christian Creation theory enthsiasts have/had an 
 international reputation as a
 quantum field theorist?

I don't know, which ones?

Is this part of your 'Hagelin was a great theorist once-upon-a-time 
before he sold out' spiel?

Of course he did win an Ig Nobel prize for his work in pseudo-science 
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ig_Nobel_Prize_winners ). 
I'm surprised that more TM researchers haven't been awarded this honor.


  In other words Vedic creation science and Christian Creation science
  share this same basis. Go figure.
 

 Pushing/promoting one's belief-system on/to others is a universal 
 human activity, I agree.







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[FairfieldLife] Get Well Card for Tom Shirah

2006-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Get Well Card for Tom Shirah





Dear Friends of Tom Shirah,

You may have head the news that Tom Shirah is in the hospital. Tom is being seriously challenged with what looks to be cancer. He was rushed to the hospital a few days ago and is being treated by a team of specialists. They are doing tests on him everyday and are still in the process of coming up with a complete prognosis and game plan. Email me if you want more details on this, but suffice to say that Tom is facing a serious battle. Friends and family are there with him every day.

I spoke to Tom yesterday and his spirits are good. I asked if he would like to receive well wishes from friends, and he said that yes, he really appreciates that and commented that it really helps him to receive support and encouragement from his friends.

So please, take a few moments from your busy life, and wish Tom well. It will really lift his spirits to hear from you.

Please go to this link and sign his card. Even something brief and simple will be appreciated:

http://www.circledigital.com/Tom/



While you are there you can view some pictures. If you have any pictures that you would like me to post, please send them and I will put them on the site.

There is wireless internet connection at the hospital so Tom will be able to read your messages.

Please pass this email on to any of your friends who know Tom. We want to shower him with our love and support.

Thanks

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[FairfieldLife] Re: physics and the transcendent

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On May 22, 2006, at 10:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
  
   On May 21, 2006, at 9:05 PM, sparaig wrote:
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@
wrote:

 Some of the early quantum pioneers considered the relationship
 between pure Consciousness and phenomena, concluding that the
 Transcendent in the context of Brahman points to analogous
concepts
 in physics; but contrary to what MMY would have people believe,
there
 is no physics of his Unified Field.
   
There is in Hagelin's original work to make Flipped SU(5) more
vedic and in his relatively
more recent work with MMY that examined what Hagelin termed
uncanny (or similar term)
parallels at ALL levels between the QM description of the world 
  and
the vedic.
  
   Of course Christian Creation theory enthusiasts also love to draw
   parallels between Quantum physics and their beliefs. So both the TM
   mythos and Creation science draw similar analogies to push (or sell)
   their ideas--now that's a parallel that's interesting!
  
 
  Which Christian Creation theory enthsiasts have/had an 
  international reputation as a
  quantum field theorist?
 
 I don't know, which ones?

Given your attempts to draw parallels between Hagelin and the Christian Creationists, it 
wasn't completely silly to assume that you had someone in mind. On the other hand, given 
that it is YOU talking, I freely admit that I was asking a rhetorical question: I was pretty 
certain that you had no idea what you were talking about, and I was right.

 
 Is this part of your 'Hagelin was a great theorist once-upon-a-time 
 before he sold out' spiel?

Not sold out, merely decided to head in other directions, and yes, he was a great 
theorist. His current theories are a tad too far outside the mainstream to be taken 
seriously by anyone outside the TMO, but to imply that he didn't have an international 
reputation as a leading field theorist is showing vast ignorance.

 
 Of course he did win an Ig Nobel prize for his work in pseudo-science 
 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ig_Nobel_Prize_winners ). 
 I'm surprised that more TM researchers haven't been awarded this honor.

Yer just silly.

 
 
   In other words Vedic creation science and Christian Creation science
   share this same basis. Go figure.
  
 
  Pushing/promoting one's belief-system on/to others is a universal 
  human activity, I agree.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
   

In a message dated 5/21/06 7:13:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
sparaig@ writes:

Hagelin raised many good points (IMHO) during the campaign. That's
the main funtion of most 3rd parties in the USA.

Nobody paid any attention to Hagelin.
   
   His platform certainly didn't get much attention from
   the media. One prominent pundit (Chris Matthews of
   MSNBC's Hardball), in a brief discussion of third
   parties, referred to Hagelin's party as the Natural
   Foods Party.
 
  And yet, organic food now makes up a huge percentage of all grocery
 sales...
 
 Are you implying that hagelin's campaigns are somehow responsible for
 the growth of the organic foods industry?


No, but that Hagelin anticipated an important issue in American life.










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/06 8:53:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  Nobody paid any attention to Hagelin.His platform certainly didn't get 
  much attention fromthe media. One prominent pundit (Chris Matthews 
  ofMSNBC's "Hardball"), in a brief discussion of thirdparties, referred 
  to Hagelin's party as the "NaturalFoods 
Party."

That's pretty much what I mean. Not taken seriously and with a 
snicker.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: physics and the transcendent

2006-05-22 Thread Vaj




On May 22, 2006, at 11:45 AM, sparaig wrote:

 Given your attempts to draw parallels between Hagelin and the 
 Christian Creationists, it
 wasn't completely silly to assume that you had someone in mind. On 
 the other hand, given
 that it is YOU talking, I freely admit that I was asking a 
 rhetorical question: I was pretty
 certain that you had no idea what you were talking about, and I was 
 right.

Not Hagelin specifically--Vedic creationists in general.






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[FairfieldLife] Jonathan Schwamm's Progress

2006-05-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Jonathan Schwamm's Progress





From: Anne Marie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@kelvin.pobox.com 
mailto:Undisclosed-Recipient:;@kelvin.pobox.com 

Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:28 PM

Subject: Jonathan's progress



Dear Everyone,



Jonathan is improving. By Friday afternoon the hospital had managed to get 
Jonathan's heart rate stabalized by heavily sedating him. His heart was 
racing at 190 beats per minute. He was unconscious all of Friday due to the 
sedation and also had to be put on a respirator to breathe. 



Saturday morning they took him off the sedation and his heart has remained 
stable since. He is now awake, off the respirator since this morning 
(Sunday) and can talk a little bit. But he is exhausted and has no memory 
of what happened since he arrived at the hospital. The doctors are still 
trying to find the cause of his problem, basically they are baffled. 



What seemed to happen is that the ventrical (lower) part of his heart was 
taking over the job of sending the impulses to cause the heart to contract 
and pump - but normally it is the atrium part of the heart (upper) that does 
this job. The impulses coming out of his ventrical were wild and erratic. 
Also, part of his heart has taken on an extra electrical pattern and can 
kind of take over - sending out more impulses causing the heart to race. 
Again, they have no idea why this happens. They feel it is not a 
complication of his heart operation a few months back where he had a Mitral 
Valve Repair. When he arrived in the hospital he was very low in minerals 
and was basically in acidosis. At one point on Friday morning his heart 
actally stopped and it took them 12 times with electroshock to get him back.



It seems Friday was the most critical time for him and we feel that Jonathan 
was able to turn the corner due to all of your attention, love, support, and 
healing prayers which was deeply felt. Anne Marie wants you all to know how 
thankful she is, and how it really soothed her spirits as she was trying to 
get back to the U.S As she was travelling she fell into a state of deep 
trust knowing that Jonathan was being cared for energetically by all of 
their dear friends. It was very soothing to her heart - especially since 
she was not able to be with him. (She arrived in the hospital last night 
around 9:00.)



As it stands now, the doctors have three solutions - 2 of which would 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 OK, I see what you mean about not being proud--of the *post,* right?

Yes, not proud of the post. And it took him only
about two minutes to decide to delete it. (Or maybe
less, if he had to go look up the procedure first).

 I thought you meant not being proud of the deletion.

Well, obviously he was embarrassed by the whole
sequence.

 Either way, it was followed by a lie. Hard to believe Bob didn't 
 realize that any deletion could be traced.

I kinda doubt he would have lied if he had realized
the deletion could be traced (and would be traced,
and the trace made public).

I feel a little bad about the whole thing because
I was the one who announced that it had been
deleted; I had gone back to check the context and
found it was gone. If I hadn't done that, he
wouldn't have been put in the position of feeling
he had to lie. (Again, NOT excusing him; he could
have just said, Yes, I realized it was inappropriate
after I sent it, so I deleted it, but it had already
gone out. And folks would, I hope, have respected
him for that.)

 On May 22, 2006, at 8:56 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  Not to excuse Bob blaming the deletion on Rick, but
  that Bob deleted his own post at least suggests he
  wasn't proud of it.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In a message dated 5/21/06 7:13:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Hagelin raised many good points (IMHO) during the campaign. 
That's the main 
 funtion of 
 most 3rd parties in the USA.
 
 
 
 
 Nobody paid any attention to Hagelin. How many votes did he get 
in the 
 election?






Hagelin came across as the phony he was.

And what was that phoniness? It was pretending to be a legitimate 
third party candidate when, in reality, he was a disciple of a guru 
who had instructed his cult start a third party in order to promote 
a meditation technique. In other words: sneakily and underhandedly 
exploit the political process in order to promote something else.

This was amply demonstrated in a succinct and curt manner by the 
comedian Beth Littleford on Bill Maher's old Politically Incorrect 
show when Littleford and Hagelin were two of the four guests on the 
show one night during one of the presidential campaigns. After 
Hagelin bloviated about some made-up public policy point that the 
NLP stood for, Littleford simply said (paraphrased): John, I've 
been to your website. You're a shill for the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
and all that you're trying to do is sell Transcendental Meditation.

And then, embarrassingly, Hagelin tried to deny it, making himself 
in the process look like the liar that he is. And then he pretty 
much shut up for the rest of the program.

Littleford, along with John Colbert, used to be one of about four 
correspondents on The Daily Show before John Stewart replaced 
Craig Kilbourn as host.

So here's this comedian who, in one short paragraph, took apart the 
venerable greatest scientist in the world, His Excellency Doctor 
John Hagelin (did I leave out any officially designated superlatives 
or titles?).

















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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/06 10:53:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   And yet, organic food now makes up a huge percentage of all 
  grocery sales...  Are you implying that hagelin's 
  campaigns are somehow responsible for the growth of the organic foods 
  industry?No, but that Hagelin anticipated an important issue 
  in American life.

Some how, I don't think eating organic is an important issue 
in American life. I think the average person may pick up fresh foods with the 
organic label if given a choice in their favorite super market, if it doesn't 
cost that much more. But few people will drive out of the way to find organic 
foods or demand that choice at their local 
grocer.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread jim_flanegin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 That's how you became a bitch.?? You are a real asshole.
 
If it will make you happy, OK, I am a real asshole.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In a message dated 5/22/06 10:53:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   And yet, organic food now makes up a huge percentage of all 
grocery
  sales...
  
  Are you implying that hagelin's campaigns are somehow
  responsible for the growth of the organic foods industry?
 
 No, but that Hagelin anticipated an important issue in American 
 life.
 
 Some how, I don't think eating organic is an important issue in
 American life.

Actually, it is becoming important enough for
Wal-Mart to have decided to substantially increase
the amount of organic food it sells. It's a growth
industry, 24 percent a year in the past five years
or so.

 I think the average person may pick up fresh foods with the 
 organic label if given a choice in their favorite super market, if 
 it doesn't cost that much more. But few people will drive out of 
 the way to find organic foods or demand that choice at their 
 local grocer.

Again, if Wal-Mart thinks it can make lotsa money on
organic foods, it must think there's significant
consumer demand for them.











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[FairfieldLife] On the subject of Organic Food

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



This week's issue of The New Yorker has a great cartoon. Two cave 
men are sitting in a cave talking. One says to the 
other: Something's not right -- our air is clean, our water is pure, 
we all get plenty of exercise, everything we eat is organic and free-
range, and yet nobody lives past thirty.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
  
  In a message dated 5/22/06 10:53:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  sparaig@ writes:
  
And yet, organic food now makes up a huge percentage of 
all 
 grocery
   sales...
   
   Are you implying that hagelin's campaigns are somehow
   responsible for the growth of the organic foods industry?
  
  No, but that Hagelin anticipated an important issue in American 
  life.
  
  Some how, I don't think eating organic is an important issue in
  American life.
 
 Actually, it is becoming important enough for
 Wal-Mart to have decided to substantially increase
 the amount of organic food it sells. It's a growth
 industry, 24 percent a year in the past five years
 or so.
 
  I think the average person may pick up fresh foods with the 
  organic label if given a choice in their favorite super market, 
if 
  it doesn't cost that much more. But few people will drive out 
of 
  the way to find organic foods or demand that choice at their 
  local grocer.
 
 Again, if Wal-Mart thinks it can make lotsa money on
 organic foods, it must think there's significant
 consumer demand for them.



I buy my organic whole milk at Wal-Mart's...the exact same brand 
that Whole Foods sells it for BUT for over a dollar less.









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/06 11:52:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hagelin 
  came across as the phony he was.And what was that phoniness? It 
  was pretending to be a legitimate third party candidate when, in reality, 
  he was a disciple of a guru who had instructed his cult start a third 
  party in order to promote a meditation technique. In other words: 
  sneakily and underhandedly exploit the political process in order to 
  promote something else.This was amply demonstrated in a succinct and 
  curt manner by the comedian Beth Littleford on Bill Maher's old 
  "Politically Incorrect" show when Littleford and Hagelin were two of the 
  four guests on the show one night during one of the presidential 
  campaigns. After Hagelin bloviated about some made-up public policy 
  point that the NLP stood for, Littleford simply said (paraphrased): "John, 
  I've been to your website. You're a shill for the Maharishi Mahesh 
  Yogi and all that you're trying to do is sell Transcendental 
  Meditation."And then, embarrassingly, Hagelin tried to deny it, making 
  himself in the process look like the liar that he is. And then he 
  pretty much shut up for the rest of the program.Littleford, along 
  with John Colbert, used to be one of about four correspondents on "The 
  Daily Show" before John Stewart replaced Craig Kilbourn as host.So 
  here's this comedian who, in one short paragraph, took apart the venerable 
  greatest scientist in the world, His Excellency Doctor John Hagelin (did I 
  leave out any officially designated superlatives or 
titles?).
Well said.





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[FairfieldLife] Poster genders

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



Sometimes the moniker or name used by posters on this forum are 
ambiguous as to what their gender is. I suppose it shouldn't be 
important -- you know, judge a man by the content of his character and 
not by the color of his skin and all that -- but nevertheless I am 
interested.

For example, is the Sal in Sal Sunshine short for Salvatore or 
Sally. At first I thought it was Salvatore and was a male but later I 
think there was indication it was a Sally.

And how about blissbunn1? Certainly, that's got to be a female, 
right?










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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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snip
 Seeing things as they are, and not being able to open one's heart 
 will create a very lonely person. It is as if the intellect is 
 nearly transparent, and yet because the heart's love has not yet 
 become universal, the ego usurps the intellect for itself, making 
 unfavorable comparisons of nearly everything and everyone to itself.

Just a thought: When a person sees someone or something
very important to them constantly rather cruelly and
thoughtlessly mocked and demeaned, it does hurt them
right in the heart.

How they respond to that pain is another issue, but it
doesn't really make sense to suggest that their heart
isn't open. It has opened at least to the person or
thing that is being attacked, which is why it's so
painful.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In a message dated 5/22/06 10:53:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   And yet, organic food now makes up a huge percentage of all grocery
  sales...
  
  Are you implying that hagelin's campaigns are somehow responsible for
  the growth of the organic foods industry?
 
 
 No, but that Hagelin anticipated an important issue in American life.
 
 
 
 
 Some how, I don't think eating organic is an important issue in American 
 life. I think the average person may pick up fresh foods with the organic label 
 if given a choice in their favorite super market, if it doesn't cost that 
 much more. But few people will drive out of the way to find organic foods or 
 demand that choice at their local grocer.


The market growth rate for food in the USA is about 2-3% per year. The market growth 
rate for organic food is 15-20% per year for the past 15 years and is showing no signs of 
slowing. In fact, Wal-Mart recently announced that they were going to provide an organic 
food section in their stores.

A recent market-research article on organic foods says that the *lack* of organic growers 
in the USA is keeping the growth in organic food sales slower than it would otherwise be, 
and even the US military's commisaries are now offering a selection of 250 organic 
products with more to come.

BTW, the controversy about Starlink genetically engineered corn appearing in Taco Bell 
tacos was due to testing by Dr. Fagan's company in Fairfield. The TMO has been a part of 
the anti-GE/pro-organic food push for many years. Fagan's decision to bow out of GE 
research made national news about 15 years ago.












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[FairfieldLife] Re: On the subject of Organic Food

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This week's issue of The New Yorker has a great cartoon. Two cave 
 men are sitting in a cave talking. One says to the 
 other: Something's not right -- our air is clean, our water is pure, 
 we all get plenty of exercise, everything we eat is organic and free-
 range, and yet nobody lives past thirty.


The sabertooth tiger lurking behind them might have something to do with that...












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[...]
 
 I buy my organic whole milk at Wal-Mart's...the exact same brand 
 that Whole Foods sells it for BUT for over a dollar less.


How's it compare to the prices at Trader Joe's?









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/06 12:10:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Again, 
  if Wal-Mart thinks it can make lotsa money onorganic foods, it must think 
  there's significantconsumer demand for them.

Organic has it's niche. As I said earlier, if given a choice, 
many will pick up the label that says "organic" on it just because they 
think they are getting something special, a marketing scheme. And then there are 
the handful of TBers' that demand organic and will only eat organic and will 
drive miles out of their way, consuming extra gasoline and polluting the air 
more,to get only organic. LOL!





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/06 12:13:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I buy my 
  organic whole milk at Wal-Mart's...the exact same brand that Whole Foods 
  sells it for BUT for over a dollar less.

Oh Sh*t,. Wal-Mart is trying to run Whole Foods out of 
business.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On May 22, 2006, at 9:47 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   Meera Nanda debunks Vedic Creation Science.
 
  It's interesting to read the user reviews on Amazon
  of Nanda's major book, Prophets Looking Backward,
  which deals with the same topic as this essay.
 
  Of eleven reviews, five give it five stars and six
  give it one star (one of these is headed, Because
  I could not give it a zero!).
 
  The negative reviews complain that Nanda's scholarship
  is seriously deficient with regard to the primary Vedic
  texts and what is actually proposed by proponents of
  Vedic science (generic, not MMY's per se), and that her
  argument is therefore against a straw man.
 
 Yeah I saw that. Amazon's rating system is notoriously manipulated
 to people who want to trash books, which in some cases they've not 
 even read.

Manipulated how, and by whom? Seems unlikely that Amazon
itself would do this, given that books that are well 
reviewed are probably going to sell more copies.

Typically when there's a coordinated attack on a book, the
critics far outnumber those who liked it, and many of the
negative reviews show little thought. In this case the
relatively small number of reviews is evenly divided, and
the negative ones are generally more thoughtful, citing
very specific problems with the book. The positive reviews
are less analytical and appear to be written by people who
expected to find reinforcement for views they'd already
arrived at. (The title of the first one, Don't listen to
the naysayers, is telling.)

In this case it appears that all the naysayers have
indeed read the book.

 One wonders if these are TMO fundies or other Neo-Hindu adherents 
 chiming in. I'd bet money they are.

The negative reviews show no evidence of either that I
can see. *Possibly* the very last one, but I don't see
any hints at all in the others.

 The fact that vedic creationism 
 is part of the Indian religious right, and esp. since many (if not 
 not most) TMers would probably be part of the religious or 
agnostic 
 left, seems to be a hard pill for many of them to 
swallow...bizarre 
 since the American equivalent (the American religious right) are 
 often counterpoised to the New Age cults like the TMO. Who 
would've 
 guessed that these two generally counterpoised groups would both 
have 
 arisen from the common ground of religious fundamentalism and 
 patriotic nationalism.

I disagree that TMers who find Vedic science meaningful
can be called religious fundamentalists on that basis.
That's just silly.

The big problem, of course, with the attempt to integrate or
reconcile spiritual systems with science, especially ancient
spiritual systems, is that very few people are expert in
both, and therefore few on either side are qualified to
evaluate the attempts.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-22 Thread WLeed3





reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy  more of it as well 
that whole milk @ Wal-mart great news for many of us.now if Wal- mart could 
sellMaharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread Sal Sunshine
Folks undoubtedly would have. Or, for that matter, he could have just let the question hang.But he did, unfortunately, choose the route of dishonesty.

Sal


On May 22, 2006, at 11:49 AM, authfriend wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> OK, I see what you mean about not being proud--of the *post,* right?

Yes, not proud of the post.  And it took him only
about two minutes to decide to delete it.  (Or maybe
less, if he had to go look up the procedure first).

> I thought you meant not being proud of the deletion.

Well, obviously he was embarrassed by the whole
sequence.

> Either way, it was followed by a lie.  Hard to believe Bob didn't 
> realize that any deletion could be traced.

I kinda doubt he would have lied if he had realized
the deletion could be traced (and would be traced,
and the trace made public).

I feel a little bad about the whole thing because
I was the one who announced that it had been
deleted; I had gone back to check the context and
found it was gone.  If I hadn't done that, he
wouldn't have been put in the position of feeling
he had to lie.  (Again, NOT excusing him; he could
have just said, Yes, I realized it was inappropriate
after I sent it, so I deleted it, but it had already
gone out.  And folks would, I hope, have respected
him for that.)


Re: [FairfieldLife] Poster genders

2006-05-22 Thread Sal Sunshine
It's always stood for Sally, Shemp, as any visit to the website will show.

Sal


On May 22, 2006, at 12:17 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

For example, is the Sal in Sal Sunshine short for Salvatore or 
Sally.  At first I thought it was Salvatore and was a male but later I 
think there was indication it was a Sally.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread markmeredith2002



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  
   
   In a message dated 5/22/06 10:53:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
   sparaig@ writes:
   
 And yet, organic food now makes up a huge percentage of 
 all 
  grocery
sales...

Are you implying that hagelin's campaigns are somehow
responsible for the growth of the organic foods industry?
   
   No, but that Hagelin anticipated an important issue in American 
   life.

The people who founded Whole Foods in 1980 anticipated the importance
of organic foods (and did something about it), not some politician
speaking to his base of new age voters decades later. 









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked

2006-05-22 Thread Vaj




On May 22, 2006, at 1:46 PM, authfriend wrote:

  Yeah I saw that. Amazon's rating system is notoriously manipulated
  to people who want to trash books, which in some cases they've not
  even read.

 Manipulated how, and by whom? Seems unlikely that Amazon
 itself would do this, given that books that are well
 reviewed are probably going to sell more copies.

By people holding opinions on the topics involved. You don't have to 
buy the book to leave a review on Amazon. You don't even have to own 
the book.

For example, several of the popular works on Afrocentrism which were 
long ago discredited by historians as well as by recent discoveries 
are given bad reviews by some historians, but Afrocentrists will post 
dozens of posts to boost the book. The same can happen with negative 
reviews on controversial topics.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On May 22, 2006, at 1:46 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
   Yeah I saw that. Amazon's rating system is notoriously 
   manipulated to people who want to trash books, which in some 
   cases they've not even read.
 
  Manipulated how, and by whom? Seems unlikely that Amazon
  itself would do this, given that books that are well
  reviewed are probably going to sell more copies.
 
 By people holding opinions on the topics involved.

Oh, you meant manipulated *by*, not manipulated *to*,
as you said to start with.

And of course the manipulation can occur by people
who want to *praise* a book.

 You don't have to 
 buy the book to leave a review on Amazon. You don't even have to
 own the book.
 
 For example, several of the popular works on Afrocentrism which 
 were long ago discredited by historians as well as by recent 
 discoveries are given bad reviews by some historians, but 
 Afrocentrists will post dozens of posts to boost the book. The same 
 can happen with negative reviews on controversial topics.

Uh, right, and with positive reviews as well. That
doesn't appear to be the case with Nanda's book, either
pro or con, as I've already pointed out, so I'm not
sure what the relevance is here.

The point is that she doesn't seem to have the
requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. And
the positive reviewers don't give any indication of
any knowledge of Vedic science beyond what they read
in her book; they just assumed she knew what she was
talking about, swallowed it whole, and gave their
stamp of approval to her thorough annihilation of a
straw man.












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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread jim_flanegin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
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  Seeing things as they are, and not being able to open one's 
heart 
  will create a very lonely person. It is as if the intellect is 
  nearly transparent, and yet because the heart's love has not yet 
  become universal, the ego usurps the intellect for itself, 
making 
  unfavorable comparisons of nearly everything and everyone to 
itself.
 
 Just a thought: When a person sees someone or something
 very important to them constantly rather cruelly and
 thoughtlessly mocked and demeaned, it does hurt them
 right in the heart.
 
 How they respond to that pain is another issue, but it
 doesn't really make sense to suggest that their heart
 isn't open. It has opened at least to the person or
 thing that is being attacked, which is why it's so
 painful.

Yep, agreed- more of a degree of integration than sensitivity. 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
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  Seeing things as they are, and not being able to open one's 
heart 
  will create a very lonely person. It is as if the intellect is 
  nearly transparent, and yet because the heart's love has not yet 
  become universal, the ego usurps the intellect for itself, 
making 
  unfavorable comparisons of nearly everything and everyone to 
itself.
 
 Just a thought: When a person sees someone or something
 very important to them constantly rather cruelly and
 thoughtlessly mocked and demeaned, it does hurt them
 right in the heart.
 
 How they respond to that pain is another issue, but it
 doesn't really make sense to suggest that their heart
 isn't open. It has opened at least to the person or
 thing that is being attacked, which is why it's so
 painful.



So when Barry mocks and demeans (at least from your point of 
view) TM, MMY and other things both real and conceptually that are 
important to you and he does it in a cruel and thoughtless way, does 
it hurt you in the heart?

If your answer is no, does that mean that your heart isn't open to 
him?

If yes, does that mean it was?










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[FairfieldLife] Organic Farming trade-off: who decides which 2 billion die?

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



The following is from the article Paradise sold in the May 15, 
2006 edition of The New Yorker. It is a review of three books on 
the phenomenon of the growth of the organic foods industry in the 
U.S.:

Pollan (one of the authors of one of the books reviewed) seems 
aware of the contradictions entailed in trying to eat in this 
rigorously ethical spirit, but he doesn't give much space to the 
most urgent moral problem with the organic ideal: how to feed the 
world's population. At the beginning of the twentieth century, 
there was a serious scare about an imminent Malthusian crisis: the 
world's rapidly expanding population was coming up against the 
limits of agricultural productivity. The Haber-Bosch process (the 
first instance of being able to economically process synthetic 
fertilizer from ammonia) averted disaster, and was largely 
responsible for a fourfold increase in the world's food supply 
during the twentieth centur. Earl Butz, Nixon's Secretary of 
Agriculture, was despised by organic farmers, but he might not have 
been wrong when he said, in 1971, that if American returned to 
organic methods 'someone must decide which fifty million of our 
people will starve!'. According to a more recent estimate, if 
synthetic fertilizers suddenly disappeared from the face of the 
earth, about two billion people would perish.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



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 [...]
  
  I buy my organic whole milk at Wal-Mart's...the exact same brand 
  that Whole Foods sells it for BUT for over a dollar less.
 
 
 How's it compare to the prices at Trader Joe's?


Better than Trader Joe's.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In a message dated 5/22/06 12:13:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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 I buy my organic whole milk at Wal-Mart's...the exact same brand 
 that Whole Foods sells it for BUT for over a dollar less.
 
 
 
 
 Oh Sh*t,. Wal-Mart is trying to run Whole Foods out of business.


If Wal-Mart can offer the entire range of products that Whole Foods 
can at better prices, then Whole Foods deserves to go out of 
business.

But I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy  more of 
it as 
 well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now 
if Wal- mart 
 could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.


The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs 
with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart attempts 
to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down 
by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many 
economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost 
singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA over 
the past 15 years.

Negotiating with the TMO over prices? Can you imagine being a fly on 
the wall over those negotiations?


Wal-Mart: TMO, now that we're carrying your MAPI products in all of 
our stores throughout the world, your products are accessible to over 
2 billion people. We'd like you to see what you can do to bring down 
the costs of your supplies...economies of scale and all that.

TMO: Sorry, Wal-Mart, we have a strict 1,500% mark-up on our MAPI 
products. For example, on our 8 oz. Vata Churna product, it costs us 
about 34 cents for the spices we put into it. Add on another 20 cents 
per unit for packaging, labor and overhead and you're talking a 
whopping 54 cents cost to us for each one. Now we sell each unit for 
$15.95. We're selling each unit to Wal-Mar for $10.00...tell us how 
we're supposed to make money if we bring our cost to you down!











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poster genders

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 It's always stood for Sally, Shemp, as any visit to the website will 
 show.



What website, Salvatore?



 
 Sal
 
 
 On May 22, 2006, at 12:17 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  For example, is the Sal in Sal Sunshine short for Salvatore or
  Sally.  At first I thought it was Salvatore and was a male but 
later I
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[FairfieldLife] She died for all our sins

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk










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[FairfieldLife] How do you spell roo

2006-05-22 Thread ashelkent



Does anyone have a difinitive opinion about how to spell roo, as TM people in Fairfield are 
often refered to. It seems like the correct way would be 'ru since it is a contraction for 
guru. But on the few occassions I have seen it in print I think it has been spelled roo. I 
need to know for my book which will be coming out in a week or two.











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Re: [FairfieldLife] How do you spell roo

2006-05-22 Thread Rick Archer



 on 5/22/06 2:31 PM, ashelkent at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone have a difinitive opinion about how to spell roo, as TM people in
 Fairfield are 
 often refered to. It seems like the correct way would be 'ru since it is a
 contraction for 
 guru. But on the few occassions I have seen it in print I think it has been
 spelled roo. I 
 need to know for my book which will be coming out in a week or two.

Ask Erik Gable: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

He used to write for the local paper and run the editorial page.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Poster genders

2006-05-22 Thread Sal Sunshine
The FF Life one, Shampoo.

Sal


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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> It's always stood for Sally, Shemp, as any visit to the website will 
> show.



What website, Salvatore?


Re: [FairfieldLife] How do you spell roo

2006-05-22 Thread Rick Archer



on 5/22/06 2:31 PM, ashelkent at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone have a difinitive opinion about how to spell roo, as TM people in
 Fairfield are 
 often refered to. It seems like the correct way would be 'ru since it is a
 contraction for 
 guru. But on the few occassions I have seen it in print I think it has been
 spelled roo. I 
 need to know for my book which will be coming out in a week or two.

P.S. Tell us about your book.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/06 2:19:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If 
  Wal-Mart can offer the entire range of products that Whole Foods can at 
  better prices, then Whole Foods deserves to go out of 
business.

That's why I say the organic label at places like wal-mart is 
really just a marketing gimmick. Whole Foods is for the serious organic junkie. 
Wal-Mart organic is for the curious.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Organic Farming trade-off: who decides which 2 billion die?

2006-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/06 2:14:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
According to a more recent estimate, if synthetic fertilizers 
  suddenly disappeared from the face of the earth, about two billion people 
  would perish."

Throw out the preservatives and we might lose another 
billion.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you spell roo

2006-05-22 Thread cardemaister



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ashelkent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone have a difinitive opinion about how to spell roo, as TM 
people in Fairfield are 
 often refered to. It seems like the correct way would be 'ru since it 
is a contraction for 
 guru. But on the few occassions I have seen it in print I think it 
has been spelled roo. I 
 need to know for my book which will be coming out in a week or two.


FWIW, 'oo' in 'roo' is IMO qualitatively closer to the u's in
'guru'. I guess the spelling 'ru' results to a slightly
flawed pronunciation of Sanskrit 'u' an 'uu' in the case of 
most native speakers of English.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you spell roo

2006-05-22 Thread cardemaister



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ashelkent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone have a difinitive opinion about how to spell roo, as TM 
people in Fairfield are 
 often refered to. It seems like the correct way would be 'ru since it 
is a contraction for 
 guru. But on the few occassions I have seen it in print I think it 
has been spelled roo. I 
 need to know for my book which will be coming out in a week or two.











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Re: [FairfieldLife] How do you spell roo

2006-05-22 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/22/06 2:33:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does 
  anyone have a difinitive opinion about how to spell roo, as TM people in 
  Fairfield are often refered to. It seems like the correct way would be 'ru 
  since it is a contraction for guru. But on the few occassions I have seen 
  it in print I think it has been spelled roo. I need to know for my book 
  which will be coming out in a week or two.

Wow! You have a book coming out in a couple of weeks and 
you're just now checking the spelling?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deprogrammer

2006-05-22 Thread Nelson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blissbunn1 blissbuni@ 
  wrote:
   
Is there a cult deprogrammer there for support?
   
   Sorry. Cult deprogrammer is the next forum over. This is 
   TM Argument.
  
  But it wasn't before the TM cult zombies got here,
  not on the personal level it is these days.
 
 I can't figure out how Barry manages to tie his 
 shoelaces in the morning.
 
 (Of course, *he* never argues on the personal level.)

+++ In a few more years, with velcro, no one will be able to tie shoes. 
 In most stores counting out change has become a thing of the past.
 Isn't it odd to call such things progress? N.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In a message dated 5/22/06 2:19:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 If Wal-Mart can offer the entire range of products that Whole Foods 
 can at better prices, then Whole Foods deserves to go out of 
 business.
 
 
 
 That's why I say the organic label at places like wal-mart is 
really just a 
 marketing gimmick. Whole Foods is for the serious organic junkie. 
Wal-Mart 
 organic is for the curious.




Bio-curious.

















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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you spell roo

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In a message dated 5/22/06 2:33:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Does anyone have a difinitive opinion about how to spell roo, as 
TM people 
 in Fairfield are 
 often refered to. It seems like the correct way would be 'ru 
since it is a 
 contraction for 
 guru. But on the few occassions I have seen it in print I think 
it has been 
 spelled roo. I 
 need to know for my book which will be coming out in a week or 
two.
 
 
 
 Wow! You have a book coming out in a couple of weeks and you're 
just now 
 checking the spelling?


That's probably the way you want to do it. Until the last additions 
to text are made and all final editing is done, doing a spellcheck 
would be redundant because you'd have to do it as the last thing to 
do anyway.










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[FairfieldLife] Robert Plant

2006-05-22 Thread Rick Archer



For Led Zep fans, from someone on the Amma chat:

Robert Plant is an old acquaintance of mine. He is a very sweet, humble and
intensely spiritual guy...which is hard to believe considering the level of
celebrity. A lot of the songs he wrote back then were divinely inspired,
especially Stairway To Heaven. He has said that it was written under
automatic writing. He sort of blacked out and woke up and the song was
there. Lots of great metaphor for the journey in that song, if you pay
attention to the lyrics. He was married to an Indian woman for a period of
time and immersed himself deeply in Hindu spirituality in the 1970's. I plan
to give him a book of Amma's next time I see him! I think he needs to have
darshan :)








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[FairfieldLife] Judy Stein, FFL's very own Billie Batts

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



The other day, after telling me for the umpteenth time to go take 
your medications, Shemp, I posted in response to Judy Stein:

Go home and get your shine box.

This line is from Goodfellas and is what Billy Batts (played by 
Frank Vincent) says to Tommy De Vito (Joe Pesci) during their 
confrontation at Henry Hill's (Ray Liotta) bar. Batts had just come 
out of prison and was breaking Tommy's balls by reminding him that 
he had come a long way from when he was a kid and used to shine 
shoes. Tommy didn't like Batts' tone and told him so. Batts 
protested that he was only kidding but when push came to shove, he 
got nasty and told Tommy to go home and get your fucking shine 
box. 

Of course, Tommy came back later and whacked Batts.

I wrote the shine box line in response to Judy's repeated insult 
because that is how Judy came across to me: a confrontational bully 
who is always looking for a fight...even when there is no reason for 
a fight.

So that is my new nickname for Judy: Billie Batts. My concession to 
her is that I have feminized Billy to Billie.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: excommunication.

2006-05-22 Thread TurquoiseB



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  That's how you became a bitch.?? You are a real asshole.
 
 If it will make you happy, OK, I am a real asshole.

As compared to the guy who says he never writes
his best stuff for FFL because no one here
deserves his efforts. :-)

Give me an honest asshole over a flaming elitist
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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you spell roo

2006-05-22 Thread bob_brigante



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In a message dated 5/22/06 2:33:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Does anyone have a difinitive opinion about how to spell roo, as 
TM people 
 in Fairfield are 
 often refered to. It seems like the correct way would be 'ru 
since it is a 
 contraction for 
 guru. But on the few occassions I have seen it in print I think 
it has been 
 spelled roo. I 
 need to know for my book which will be coming out in a week or 
two.
 
 
 
 Wow! You have a book coming out in a couple of weeks and you're 
just now 
 checking the spelling?


*

It was the Fairfield High School kids who first started the 
word ru. I recall while I was in living in Missouri, the kids 
would refer to people of the female persuasion as gina, which is 
not pronounced like the Italian actress' name (Ms. Lollobrigida), so 
the epithet for TMers was probably more reflective of youthful 
playfulness than hostility, although kids certainly are not shy 
about showing lack of respect.

To counter the ru thing, some Fairfield TMers started referring to 
locals as rubs, since the Fairfield High School team name was 
the Trojans (the name for a prophylactic brand for you non-
Americans), but it never really caught on.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy Stein, FFL's very own Billie Batts

2006-05-22 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 So that is my new nickname for Judy: Billie Batts. 
 My concession to her is that I have feminized Billy 
 to Billie.

Seems an unnecessary concession to someone who seems
intent on proving her dick is longer than anyone else's. :-)













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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you spell roo

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
  
  In a message dated 5/22/06 2:33:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  dawnhawk@ writes:
  
  Does anyone have a difinitive opinion about how to spell roo, 
as 
 TM people 
  in Fairfield are 
  often refered to. It seems like the correct way would be 'ru 
 since it is a 
  contraction for 
  guru. But on the few occassions I have seen it in print I think 
 it has been 
  spelled roo. I 
  need to know for my book which will be coming out in a week or 
 two.
  
  
  
  Wow! You have a book coming out in a couple of weeks and you're 
 just now 
  checking the spelling?
 
 
 *
 
 It was the Fairfield High School kids who first started the 
 word ru. I recall while I was in living in Missouri, the kids 
 would refer to people of the female persuasion as gina, which is 
 not pronounced like the Italian actress' name (Ms. Lollobrigida), 
so 
 the epithet for TMers was probably more reflective of youthful 
 playfulness than hostility, although kids certainly are not shy 
 about showing lack of respect.
 
 To counter the ru thing, some Fairfield TMers started referring to 
 locals as rubs, since the Fairfield High School team name was 
 the Trojans (the name for a prophylactic brand for you non-
 Americans), but it never really caught on.


Too bad, 'cause it's a great comeback!











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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you spell roo

2006-05-22 Thread ashelkent



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 P.S. Tell us about your book.

I was going to announce it here when it was actually available, but I guess a little preview 
wouldn't hurt. It would certainly appeal to people on FFL. It is called Murphy's Laws of the 
Inner Life. If I weren't targeting a larger demographic, I could have called it Confessions of 
an MUM Faculty Member. Hear is the blurb from the back cover:
In his 40-year quest for truth and inner peace, Michael Murphy ranges from a Roman 
Catholic seminary in New York to a Shiva temple in southern India. He rises to a respected 
position in an international meditation organization while living a double life in which he 
explores numerous other teachers and paths. His odyssey takes him to the Swiss Alps for 
training under a famous guru. He travels to a hilltop on the Pacific coast where his spirit 
guides help him discover his true calling. At the foot of a holy mountain in the Rockies, a 
platinum blond from Mississippi shows him the way to freedom from the prison of his 
mind. Finally, on a pilgrimage to sacred Arunachala in India, he stumbles upon a portal to 
the abode of joy. Through it all he struggles with one of the greatest tests (and teachers) 
on the path of the seeker: living in intimate relationship with another human being.

But, this book is more than a spiritual memoir. In writing it Murphy, who has taught 
writing for a decade, explores a new method for using writing itself as a technique for 
self-discovery. He details this technique in his introduction and offers the rest of the book 
as a model for those who wish to uncover their own deepest truth through the writing 
process.

A draft of the first 11 chapters is available at www.dawnhawk.com











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[FairfieldLife] Scanning for transcendence

2006-05-22 Thread bob_brigante



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Organic Farming trade-off: who decides which 2 billion die?

2006-05-22 Thread Nelson



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 The following is from the article Paradise sold in the May 15, 
 2006 edition of The New Yorker. It is a review of three books on 
 the phenomenon of the growth of the organic foods industry in the 
 U.S.:
 
 Pollan (one of the authors of one of the books reviewed) seems 
 aware of the contradictions entailed in trying to eat in this 
 rigorously ethical spirit, but he doesn't give much space to the 
 most urgent moral problem with the organic ideal: how to feed the 
 world's population. At the beginning of the twentieth century, 
 there was a serious scare about an imminent Malthusian crisis: the 
 world's rapidly expanding population was coming up against the 
 limits of agricultural productivity. The Haber-Bosch process (the 
 first instance of being able to economically process synthetic 
 fertilizer from ammonia) averted disaster, and was largely 
 responsible for a fourfold increase in the world's food supply 
 during the twentieth centur. Earl Butz, Nixon's Secretary of 
 Agriculture, was despised by organic farmers, but he might not have 
 been wrong when he said, in 1971, that if American returned to 
 organic methods 'someone must decide which fifty million of our 
 people will starve!'. According to a more recent estimate, if 
 synthetic fertilizers suddenly disappeared from the face of the 
 earth, about two billion people would perish.

+++ Synthetic fertilizer is big business and, as such doesn't have to
be useful. Millions are starving anyway and, fertilizer isn't the
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy Stein, FFL's very own Billie Batts

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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snip
 I wrote the shine box line in response to Judy's repeated insult 
 because that is how Judy came across to me: a confrontational bully 
 who is always looking for a fight...even when there is no reason
 for a fight.

You've got things just a bit twisted around in your
head, Shemp. Take your medication is my way of
*stopping* a fight that *you* started.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you spell roo

2006-05-22 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ashelkent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 A draft of the first 11 chapters is available at www.dawnhawk.com

When will the *Web site* be available?











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