[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 6:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> When I  refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be 
> >  true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty minutes 
> and go  
> > about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it than  
> that. 
> > Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told  in 1970.
> >
> 
> Er, just what is "expected of us  today?"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Er, TM, advanced techniques, Sidhis, Ayurveda, Jyotish and  Yagaya, Proper 
> Vastu housing. Not to mention financial contributions. In 1970 we  were told 
> enlightenment in 5-8 years with 20 minutes in the morning and twenty  minutes 
> in 
> the evening and don't do anything you know to be  wrong.
>

All voluntary and I cherry-pick what I do, don't you? The MAK products seem 
worthy in my 
own experience. Jyotish seems amusing. Vastu seems a tad "off the wall," but 
you never 
know...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought *I* had OCD problems...

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > "He's really not a journalist."
> > 
> > Andrew A. Skolnick is a nationally renowned science journalist and
> > photographer who has won numerous national awards and honors for 
> > his reporting in biology, medicine, and human rights. Among those 
> > honors are Amnesty International USA's Spotlight on Media Award; 
> > World Hunger Year's Harry Chapin Award for Impact on Hunger and 
> > Poverty; the John P. McGovern Medal from the American Medical 
> > Writers Association; and a Rosalynn Carter Fellowship for Mental 
> > Health Journalism. For nearly a decade, he served as an associate 
> > news editor for the Journal of the American Medical Association. 
> > His articles and photographs have been published in Smithsonian, 
> > Natural History, Ranger Rick Nature Magazine, National Geographic 
> > World, The New York Times, Encyclopaedia Britannica, and many
> > other publications.
> 
> You forgot to provide the source for this encomium--
> 
> http://www.aaskolnick.com/information.htm
> 
> --Andrew's own Web site.
> 

Do you doubt the info he provides? I don't. As long as he stays away from new 
age/
meditation/yoga/mysticism/etc, I'm confident he's a fine journalist.

> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > > Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
> > > > he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
> > > > one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
> > > > he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
> > > > boggling.
> > > 
> > > He's really not a journalist. He's a skeptic
> > > writer/commentator... the Ann Coulter of skeptic 
> > > writer/commentators.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > 
> > Er, just what is "expected of us today?">>
> 
> 
> We have to listen to the bagpipes, and I friggin hate the bagpipes.
> 
> OffWorld (the Scot)
>

Ditto! And even more I hate the (up)tight sneer-drums accompanying
them!  :0






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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought *I* had OCD problems...

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> "He's really not a journalist."

When it comes to TM and other matters New-Age-ish, he's more than a bit 
obsessed. 

> 
> 
> Andrew A. Skolnick is a nationally renowned science journalist and 
> photographer who 
has 
> won numerous national awards and honors for his reporting in biology, 
> medicine, and 
> human rights. Among those honors are Amnesty International USA's Spotlight on 
> Media 
> Award; World Hunger Year's Harry Chapin Award for Impact on Hunger and 
> Poverty; the 
> John P. McGovern Medal from the American Medical Writers Association; and a 
> Rosalynn 
> Carter Fellowship for Mental Health Journalism. For nearly a decade, he 
> served as an 
> associate news editor for the Journal of the American Medical Association. 
> His articles 
and 
> photographs have been published in Smithsonian, Natural History, Ranger Rick 
> Nature 
> Magazine, National Geographic World, The New York Times, Encyclopaedia 
> Britannica, 
and 
> many other publications.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
> > > he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
> > > one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
> > > he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
> > > boggling.
> > 
> > He's really not a journalist. He's a skeptic writer/commentator... the
> > Ann Coulter of skeptic writer/commentators.
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scheduled yogic flying in Japan

2006-07-01 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> "In Japan, 1,200 people have registered to do their morning and 
> evening Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Programme at the 
same 
> time. There are 700 sidhas and 500 meditators participating so far, 
> and the numbers are swelling daily. 
> 
> Computer websites have been designed, in Japan, so that 
participants 
> can instantly register their daily attendance by computer or mobile 
> phone.. This enables everyone to see exactly how many people are 
> meditating and flying together each day. This keeps inspiration 
lively 
> and helps everyone to focus on achieving the goal.
> 
> So far, 1,000 Yogic Flyers have flown simultaneously in Japan and 
> Korea. Korea will also adopt Japan's innovative registration and 
> attendance system, for internal use and to share with its 
neighbour, 
> Japan.
> 
> http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?
art=1151783389107021

Well that's sure a good idea;
We can do it the American way:
Let's all meditate, at 7:00AM, and 7:00PM Central Time(+ or - 3 
hours).
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 9:41:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And now 
  you are saying that "SSRS has attracted more Indian immigrants in the 
  United States than M ever did"So like I say...It looks like it is an 
  Indian religion. Good luck wit' 
that.OffWorld

You might ask Dr.Pete about that. I wouldn't know. My only 
point which seemed to upset a couple of people was that SSRS has done better 
involving Indians in America with AOL than M did with TM. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread gimari03
Sounds like you were THERE!

He wore make up too?  LOL!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Accurate insight, in my opinion, Vaj. Ture believers will always find 
> reason to believe. Like the Jehovah's witnesses, the more you point 
> out the flaws, the stronger they grow. When they come to the door I 
> just tell them I'm a reformed Druid (we're allowed to worship 
> bushes). It's an old M*A*S*H* joke.
> 
> If you read Joyce Collin-Smith's "Call No Man Master" or Paul Mason's 
> Mahesh bio, it's perfectly clear that Mahesh is all about getting 
> himself worshiped. 
> 
> I clearly remember the newspaper stories: he declared his mission 
> failure and said he was retiring to the Himilayas. It was AFTER this 
> that the Beatles made him famous and he bounced back with a vengence. 
> First he created huge numbers of TM teachers (Mallorca, Fiuggi, La 
> Antilla). He coo'd like a dove cooing to another dove from whom it 
> hoped to borrow money (favourite Wodehouse quote) at the peak of 
> rounding: no one can love you like I can, you are going to save the 
> whole world, get the money from an auntie, from your gran 
> 
> Mahesh could be a real slime ball. And, what did he teach on his 6-
> month courses? Stuff borrowed and re-worked from Yogananda. I did all 
> of the Yogananda lessons after TM, out of curiosity more than 
> anything else. There were the A of E techniques and contacts provided 
> more information about the 6-month courses. Just more of Yogananda 
> with his lovely spin on it.
> 
> And the 'sidhi' stuff? He had no idea, literally. He sent people to 
> India to find yogis; he got obscure translations, he fiddled and 
> fumed and tinkered ... but what worked best was the cooing, get 'em 
> all spacey and suggest hopping. How simple; he'd always known that 
> people would pay him for what they expected to get in return and that 
> he never had any trouble convincing them it was their fault it wasn't 
> working. He still bitches about too much negativity, too little work 
> being done by others, yadda, yadda.
> 
> The "real" Mahesh is someone completely imaginary for most people. 
> But, yes, there was an inner circle, people who liked what they were 
> doing and since he was providing room and board and the company of 
> each other, they didn't particularly object doing it for him. But 
> behind closed doors, the discussion shifted to how completely bonkers 
> Mahesh was. Stripped of his public facade, he was a nutter with 
> charm, intelligence, charisma by the sackful. But his ideas and his 
> wast wedic wevelations were total kaka. It was all provided by people 
> who not only told him what the Sanskrit said, but what the Sanskrit 
> meant. 
> 
> It was all spindoctoring based on the work of others.
> 
> Do nothing, accomplish everything took on a whole new meaning. YOU 
> bust your balls and I take all the credit.
> 
> Well, that was fun. Nothing new, but fun. Those who see, see. Those 
> who don't see, still see. A finger points at the moon. Some will 
> always and only consider the finger.
> 
> Happy trails. There are better things to do than worry about some Jim 
> Jones type dressed in sheets and wearing makeup.
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[FairfieldLife] Interesting Link

2006-07-01 Thread johnlasher20002000
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/living/health/14932812.htm








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 6:08:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
> ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 7/1/06  3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   
writes:
> > 
> > OffWorld
> > ...the US Indians are the only ones  interested.. 
> > 
> > DIXON
> > No, because there are still  more people going to them, even of 
> > different ethnic identities, than  there are coming to the TMO. 
> AOL 
> > is expanding not  shrinking.
> > 
> > ROFLMAO ! ! !
> > Dixon says AOL is mostly  Indians , but mostly not Indians. 
> > 
> > OffWOrld
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen  involve a 
> higher 
> > percentage of Indians than any other single  ethnic group, 
white, 
> black, Hispanic, 
> > east Asian . But even with  out the Indians, AOL is still 
growing 
> faster than 
> > the  TMO.>>
> 
> Yes dear, you said, quote: "it is mostly Indians", and how  there 
are 
> no Indians in TMO anymore.
> 
> You are right, because I can't  see one single Indian on this 
whole 
> page of pictures of TMO !
> _http://tinyurl.http://ti_ (http://tinyurl.com/s42gn) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My my, but now you're cheating. Those are photos of  Indians in 
India. I 
> think you were quite aware that I have been talking all  along 
about Indian 
> immigrants in the United States. Not about Indians in India.  If 
you will double 
> back and check, my original comment was how SSRS has  attracted 
more Indian 
> immigrants in the United States than M ever did. >>

If you will double check back you will find that you said: "AOL 
meetings here are mostly Indians" "AOL meetings here are mostly 
Indians", "AOL meetings here are mostly Indians", "AOL meetings here 
are mostly Indians", "AOL meetings here are mostly Indians".

And now you are saying that "SSRS has attracted more Indian 
immigrants in the United States than M ever did"

So like I say...It looks like it is an Indian religion. Good luck 
wit' that.

OffWorld





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Advocate" and "God and Buddha"

2006-07-01 Thread Bhairitu
I also hear "The War Tapes" is quite good.

shempmcgurk wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>I recommended "God and Buddha."  You might also enjoy "Fierce 
>>
>>
>Grace", if 
>  
>
>>you haven't already seen it.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>If that's the Baba Rum Dum documentary then, yes, I've seen it and 
>enjoyed it (although, as usual, I found Ram Das to be a complete 
>mood maker).
>
>
>
>  
>
>>shempmcgurk wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Thanks to Barry for recommennding "The Advocate" and whomever 
>>>recommended "God and Buddha".
>>>
>>>I enjoyed "The Advocate": well acted, great script and story and, 
>>>  
>>>
>of 
>  
>
>>>course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized 
>>>  
>>>
>alot 
>  
>
>>>of '70s films but didn't expect here.
>>>
>>>My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the movie 
>>>but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax --
>>>  
>>>
> 
>  
>
>>>were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
>>>Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
>>>that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
>>>surprise ending to this movie.
>>>
>>>Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I 
>>>  
>>>
>should 
>  
>
>>>be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
>>>watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.
>>>
>>>"God and Buddha" is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
>>>Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
>>>observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, 
>>>  
>>>
>simply, 
>  
>
>>>a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
>>>soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational 
>>>  
>>>
>way.
>  
>
>>>Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  
>>>  
>>>
>This 
>  
>
>>>is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious 
>>>  
>>>
>that 
>  
>
>>>he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a 
>>>  
>>>
>celebrity 
>  
>
>>>TM teacher without the TM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 6:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When I 
  refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be > 
  true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty minutes and go 
  > about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it than 
  that. > Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told 
  in 1970.>Er, just what is "expected of us 
today?"

Er, TM, advanced techniques, Sidhis, Ayurveda, Jyotish and 
Yagaya, Proper Vastu housing. Not to mention financial contributions. In 1970 we 
were told enlightenment in 5-8 years with 20 minutes in the morning and twenty 
minutes in the evening and don't do anything you know to be 
wrong.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought *I* had OCD problems...

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> [snip]
> > Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
> > he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
> > one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
> > he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
> > boggling.
> 
> He's really not a journalist. He's a skeptic writer/commentator... the
> Ann Coulter of skeptic writer/commentators.

Coulter believes a lot more of what she spouts
than Andrew does.  Andrew's slanting and spinning
is malicious and thoroughly calculated.

He *has* done plenty of advocacy and investigative
journalism on what we would consider worthy causes--
he's a hard-core liberal politically and socially--
but considering the deceptions he pulls when he's in
skeptical/debunking mode regarding alternative
medicine, it's hard to imagine he doesn't do
exactly the same thing in other areas.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 6:08:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:>> > In a message dated 7/1/06 
  3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com 
  writes:> > OffWorld> ...the US Indians are the only ones 
  interested...> > DIXON> No, because there are still 
  more people going to them, even of > different ethnic identities, than 
  there are coming to the TMO. AOL > is expanding not 
  shrinking.> > ROFLMAO ! ! !> Dixon says AOL is mostly 
  Indians , but mostly not Indians. > > OffWOrld> > 
  > > Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen 
  involve a higher > percentage of Indians than any other single 
  ethnic group, white, black, Hispanic, > east Asian . But even with 
  out the Indians, AOL is still growing faster than > the 
  TMO.>>Yes dear, you said, quote: "it is mostly Indians", and how 
  there are no Indians in TMO anymore.You are right, because I can't 
  see one single Indian on this whole page of pictures of TMO !http://tinyurl.com/s42gn

My my, but now you're cheating. Those are photos of 
Indians in India. I think you were quite aware that I have been talking all 
along about Indian immigrants in the United States. Not about Indians in India. 
If you will double back and check, my original comment was how SSRS has 
attracted more Indian immigrants in the United States than M ever did. My 
comments have been strictly about Indians in the United States, no place else. 
Now, is there anything else you want to take out of 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> 
> Er, just what is "expected of us today?">>


We have to listen to the bagpipes, and I friggin hate the bagpipes.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought *I* had OCD problems...

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "He's really not a journalist."
> 
> Andrew A. Skolnick is a nationally renowned science journalist and
> photographer who has won numerous national awards and honors for 
> his reporting in biology, medicine, and human rights. Among those 
> honors are Amnesty International USA's Spotlight on Media Award; 
> World Hunger Year's Harry Chapin Award for Impact on Hunger and 
> Poverty; the John P. McGovern Medal from the American Medical 
> Writers Association; and a Rosalynn Carter Fellowship for Mental 
> Health Journalism. For nearly a decade, he served as an associate 
> news editor for the Journal of the American Medical Association. 
> His articles and photographs have been published in Smithsonian, 
> Natural History, Ranger Rick Nature Magazine, National Geographic 
> World, The New York Times, Encyclopaedia Britannica, and many
> other publications.

You forgot to provide the source for this encomium--

http://www.aaskolnick.com/information.htm

--Andrew's own Web site.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
 wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
> > > he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
> > > one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
> > > he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
> > > boggling.
> > 
> > He's really not a journalist. He's a skeptic
> > writer/commentator... the Ann Coulter of skeptic 
> > writer/commentators.






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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi solar technology

2006-07-01 Thread bob_brigante
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200607010930.htm

http://www.maharishisolar.com/





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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought *I* had OCD problems...

2006-07-01 Thread curtisdeltablues
"He's really not a journalist."


Andrew A. Skolnick is a nationally renowned science journalist and photographer 
who has 
won numerous national awards and honors for his reporting in biology, medicine, 
and 
human rights. Among those honors are Amnesty International USA's Spotlight on 
Media 
Award; World Hunger Year's Harry Chapin Award for Impact on Hunger and Poverty; 
the 
John P. McGovern Medal from the American Medical Writers Association; and a 
Rosalynn 
Carter Fellowship for Mental Health Journalism. For nearly a decade, he served 
as an 
associate news editor for the Journal of the American Medical Association. His 
articles and 
photographs have been published in Smithsonian, Natural History, Ranger Rick 
Nature 
Magazine, National Geographic World, The New York Times, Encyclopaedia 
Britannica, and 
many other publications.




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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> [snip]
> > Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
> > he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
> > one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
> > he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
> > boggling.
> 
> He's really not a journalist. He's a skeptic writer/commentator... the
> Ann Coulter of skeptic writer/commentators.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Scheduled yogic flying in Japan

2006-07-01 Thread bob_brigante
"In Japan, 1,200 people have registered to do their morning and 
evening Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Programme at the same 
time. There are 700 sidhas and 500 meditators participating so far, 
and the numbers are swelling daily. 

Computer websites have been designed, in Japan, so that participants 
can instantly register their daily attendance by computer or mobile 
phone.. This enables everyone to see exactly how many people are 
meditating and flying together each day. This keeps inspiration lively 
and helps everyone to focus on achieving the goal.

So far, 1,000 Yogic Flyers have flown simultaneously in Japan and 
Korea. Korea will also adopt Japan's innovative registration and 
attendance system, for internal use and to share with its neighbour, 
Japan.

http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1151783389107021






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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread matrixmonitor
--Thanks, I don't believe MMY is invincible, either, on the basis of 
my experiment in the late 70's.  At that time,  the SRM lease was up 
at the old brick building on Santa Monica Blvd; and Charlie Lutes 
moved into an office at the West L.A. TM center down the road toward 
Santa Monica.
  Having learned that a powerful Santeria sorcerer from Cuba 
named "El Negro" was traveling through Mexico, I was able to meet him 
in Tijuana.  To test MMY's level of invincibility, I paid the 
Sorcerer to place a hex on MMY; and after giving El Negro some pics 
of MMY, left Tijuana and returned to L.A.
 A few days later I saw Charlie at the West L.A. TM center and in due 
course of conversation, he told me that MMY was taking very 
extraordinary precautions to pretect himself by being surrounded 
physically by numerous people.  To the best of my knowledge, no harm 
came to MMY; but on the basis of the results, I don't feel he's 
invincible. 



- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> --- authfriend wrote:
> >
> > The most devoted followers are always
> > going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
> > no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
> > they're all going to have some idea of what
> > constitutes "good" behavior.  I think to some extent
> > the conundrum is unavoidable.
> 
> Agreed. I've told the story before how Rudolf 
> Steiner, upon removing a pebble from his shoe,
> said, "I need to do this right away, otherwise 
> all my students will be walking with limps tomorrow."
> 
> (paraphrased, of course)
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[FairfieldLife] Harsha's homepage - interesting!

2006-07-01 Thread matrixmonitor
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http://www.harshasatsangh.com/

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> OffWorld
> ...the US Indians are the only ones  interested...
> 
> DIXON
> No, because there are still more people  going to them, even of 
> different ethnic identities, than there are coming  to the TMO. AOL 
> is expanding not shrinking.
> 
> ROFLMAO ! ! !
> Dixon  says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians.  
> 
> OffWOrld
> 
> 
> 
> Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve  a higher 
> percentage of Indians than any other single ethnic group, white,  black, 
> Hispanic, 
> east Asian . But even with out the Indians, AOL is still  growing faster than 
> the TMO.
>

Well, duh. Mature organizations tend to grow slower than young ones.






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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote:
>
> The most devoted followers are always
> going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
> no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
> they're all going to have some idea of what
> constitutes "good" behavior.  I think to some extent
> the conundrum is unavoidable.

Agreed. I've told the story before how Rudolf 
Steiner, upon removing a pebble from his shoe,
said, "I need to do this right away, otherwise 
all my students will be walking with limps tomorrow."

(paraphrased, of course)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 1:57:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
> ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 7/1/06  1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> > sparaig@ writes:
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > --- In _FairfieldLife@ --- In 
> _FairfieldLife@[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
> > , MDixon6569@, MDi
> > >
> > > 
> > > In a  message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> > >  ffl@ writes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > Indians in large numbers attending. The difference
> >  > > in Indian involvement in 
> > > > AOL and the TMO is like  night and day in the United 
> > > > States.
> > > 
> >  > But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s
> > > when TM  was popular compared to how many are in the US
> > > now when AOL is  popular? Big, big difference.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > There is a big difference in how  many were here then and now. But how 
> many 
> > 
> > > centers have  you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants 
> donating 
> > time  
> > > or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there,  they 
> were. 
> > > While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into  an AOL center or 
> > lecture 
> > > of some sort, try it and see  what you see. I think you would be 
> surprised. 
> > > It's mostly  Indians.
> > >
> > 
> > MMY geared TM for westerners.
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This is the main the reason why  it didn't attract very many Indians. They 
> > thought it was too easy to  be true and thought M was just making money.
> >
> 
> MMY still has that  problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they 
> inform you of 
> how  you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then 
> warn  you to 
> be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in  thoughts...
> 
> Can't be TOO easy or its not working!
> 
> Obviously, MMY  just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle 
> effort and control  
> do.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too  easy to be 
> true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty  minutes and 
> go 
> about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it  than  that. 
> Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told  in 1970.
>

Er, just what is "expected of us today?"









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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Advocate" and "God and Buddha"

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks to Barry for recommennding "The Advocate" and whomever 
> > > recommended "God and Buddha".
> > > 
> > > I enjoyed "The Advocate": well acted, great script and story 
> and, of 
> > > course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized 
> alot 
> > > of '70s films but didn't expect here.
> > > 
> > > My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the 
> movie 
> > > but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax -
> - 
> > > were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
> > > Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
> > > that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
> > > surprise ending to this movie.
> > > 
> > > Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I 
> should 
> > > be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
> > > watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.
> > > 
> > > "God and Buddha" is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
> > > Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
> > > observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, 
> simply, 
> > > a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
> > > soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational 
> way.
> > > 
> > > Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  
> This 
> > > is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious 
> that 
> > > he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a 
> celebrity 
> > > TM teacher without the TM.
> > >
> > 
> > Who changes his books to eliminate all reference to MMY and TM.
> >
> 
> He must really be angry with the TMO and MMY to have done that.
>

Or something. He changed the book sufficiently that people get the idea that 
_Quantum 
Healing_ is about his  "Quantum Sound" meditation technique.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> OffWorld
> ...the US Indians are the only ones  interested...
> 
> DIXON
> No, because there are still more people  going to them, even of 
> different ethnic identities, than there are coming  to the TMO. 
AOL 
> is expanding not shrinking.
> 
> ROFLMAO ! ! !
> Dixon  says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians.  
> 
> OffWOrld
> 
> 
> 
> Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve  a 
higher 
> percentage of Indians than any other single ethnic group, white,  
black, Hispanic, 
> east Asian . But even with out the Indians, AOL is still  growing 
faster than 
> the TMO.>>

Yes dear, you said, quote: "it is mostly Indians", and how there are 
no Indians in TMO anymore.

You are right, because I can't see one single Indian on this whole 
page of pictures of TMO !
http://tinyurl.com/s42gn

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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread Kenny H
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- authfriend wrote:
> > >
> > > I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
> > > about sex but any "bad" habit or behavior--masters
> > > have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
> > > that habit or behavior because they perceive
> > > (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
> > > their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.
> > 
> > Maybe the solution would be for the master to 
> > promote his or her sadhana as a single element one 
> > adds to one's daily routine, rather than insisting 
> > students give up this behavior or adopt that one. 
> > 
> > Teaching, say, a meditation technique alone, 
> > without all the concomitant lifestyle stuff - 
> > diets, sexual protocols and such - would free
> > the master from having to exemplify the ideal 
> > lifestyle.
> > 
> > But what master has ever taken such a tack?
> > It would be bold indeed.
> 
> MMY did at first, then he changed his mind.

Personally, I always thought that Maharishi should have kept his
message as simple as it first started out-twenty minutes twice per day
then go about living your normal life, no change in lifestyle required
(yes I know, this is where people will say, "well you didn't have to
choose to add everything else"), 200% of life-->100% inner + 100%
outer, etc. We used to tell people at intro lectures that the great
thing about TM was that you didn't even have to believe in it, which,
of course you still don't, but we also used to say that it was not a
lifestyle. It was a fairly innocent message with a smack of Hinduism
which made it all the more delicious during that era. 



> 
> But he was talking to teachers here, no?  Not the
> rank and file.  The most devoted followers are always
> going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
> no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
> they're all going to have some idea of what
> constitutes "good" behavior.  I think to some extent
> the conundrum is unavoidable.
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought *I* had OCD problems...

2006-07-01 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
> he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
> one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
> he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
> boggling.

He's really not a journalist. He's a skeptic writer/commentator... the
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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OffWorld...the US Indians are the only ones 
  interested...DIXONNo, because there are still more people 
  going to them, even of different ethnic identities, than there are coming 
  to the TMO. AOL is expanding not shrinking.ROFLMAO ! ! !Dixon 
  says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians. 
  OffWOrld

Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve 
a higher percentage of Indians than any other single ethnic group, white, 
black, Hispanic, east Asian . But even with out the Indians, AOL is still 
growing faster than the TMO.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 1:57:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:>> > In a message dated 7/1/06 
  1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> 
  > > > --- In _FairfieldLife@FairfieldLifFai_ 
  (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
  > , MDixon6569@, MDi> >> > > > In a 
  message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > 
  ffl@ writes:> > > > > > > > 
  > > > Indians in large numbers attending. The difference> 
  > > in Indian involvement in > > > AOL and the TMO is like 
  night and day in the United > > > States.> > > 
  > But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s> > when TM 
  was popular compared to how many are in the US> > now when AOL is 
  popular? Big, big difference.> > > > > > 
  > > > > > > There is a big difference in how 
  many were here then and now. But how many > > > centers have 
  you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating > time 
  > > or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, 
  they were. > > While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into 
  an AOL center or > lecture > > of some sort, try it and see 
  what you see. I think you would be surprised. > > It's mostly 
  Indians.> >> > MMY geared TM for westerners.> 
  > > > > > This is the main the reason why 
  it didn't attract very many Indians. They > thought it was too easy to 
  be true and thought M was just making money.>MMY still has that 
  problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how 
  you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn 
  you to be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in 
  thoughts...Can't be TOO easy or its not working!Obviously, MMY 
  just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control 
  do.

When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too 
easy to be true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty 
minutes and go about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it 
than  that. Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told 
in 1970.
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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- authfriend wrote:
> >
> > I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
> > about sex but any "bad" habit or behavior--masters
> > have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
> > that habit or behavior because they perceive
> > (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
> > their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.
> 
> Maybe the solution would be for the master to 
> promote his or her sadhana as a single element one 
> adds to one's daily routine, rather than insisting 
> students give up this behavior or adopt that one. 
> 
> Teaching, say, a meditation technique alone, 
> without all the concomitant lifestyle stuff - 
> diets, sexual protocols and such - would free
> the master from having to exemplify the ideal 
> lifestyle.
> 
> But what master has ever taken such a tack?
> It would be bold indeed.

MMY did at first, then he changed his mind.

But he was talking to teachers here, no?  Not the
rank and file.  The most devoted followers are always
going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
they're all going to have some idea of what
constitutes "good" behavior.  I think to some extent
the conundrum is unavoidable.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] English names you never see in America

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 1:36:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  shempmcgurk wrote:>There are certain "English" names you almost 
  never see used in America >but that the Brits use, kinda like names 
  African-Americans give their >children that you would never see in 
  other communities (Shaniqua, >Shaquille, Daneesha, 
  etc.).>>Some 
  examples:>>Giles>Nigel>Clive>A 
  girlfriend I had in the early 1970's (who got me into TM) had a brother 
  with the name Nigel. Her mother was a former British fashion fashion model 
  and gave the kids British 
names.

I always thought these were cool names for my English Setters 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Advocate" and "God and Buddha"

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks to Barry for recommennding "The Advocate" and whomever 
> > > recommended "God and Buddha".
> > > 
> > > I enjoyed "The Advocate": well acted, great script and story 
> and, of 
> > > course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized 
> alot 
> > > of '70s films but didn't expect here.
> > > 
> > > My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the 
> movie 
> > > but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- 
Miramax -
> - 
> > > were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
> > > Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed 
notice 
> > > that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
> > > surprise ending to this movie.
> > > 
> > > Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I 
> should 
> > > be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
> > > watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.
> > > 
> > > "God and Buddha" is really quite fine.  My admiration for 
> > > Deepak Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he 
> > > himself once observed about himself: He has the gift of the 
> > > gab.  He is, simply, a great communicator...a faculty for 
> > > explaining in a melodic and soothing way abstract concepts in 
> > > an interesting and educational way.
> > > 
> > > Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  
> > > This is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it 
> > > curious that he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is 
> > > basically a celebrity TM teacher without the TM.
> > 
> > Who changes his books to eliminate all reference to MMY and TM.
> 
> He must really be angry with the TMO and MMY to have done that.

I've always suspected the TMO *asked* him to do so, to
avoid any possible confusion about whether he's teaching
genyoowine TM under MMY's auspices.  I also suspect
Deepak would be quite happy to trade on MMY's name if he
could, but he doesn't want to get into a fight with the 
TMO, so he doesn't.

He certainly doesn't try to hide his past association
with MMY and the TMO, as we saw a while back with his
interview with that Indian paper about why the Beatles
supposedly left MMY's ashram.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Advocate" and "God and Buddha"

2006-07-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to Barry for recommennding "The Advocate" and whomever 
> > recommended "God and Buddha".
> > 
> > I enjoyed "The Advocate": well acted, great script and story 
and, of 
> > course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized 
alot 
> > of '70s films but didn't expect here.
> > 
> > My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the 
movie 
> > but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax -
- 
> > were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
> > Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
> > that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
> > surprise ending to this movie.
> > 
> > Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I 
should 
> > be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
> > watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.
> > 
> > "God and Buddha" is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
> > Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
> > observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, 
simply, 
> > a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
> > soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational 
way.
> > 
> > Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  
This 
> > is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious 
that 
> > he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a 
celebrity 
> > TM teacher without the TM.
> >
> 
> Who changes his books to eliminate all reference to MMY and TM.
>

He must really be angry with the TMO and MMY to have done that.







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[FairfieldLife] MUM to offer course on Creative Arts in LA

2006-07-01 Thread bob_brigante
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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Advocate" and "God and Buddha"

2006-07-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I recommended "God and Buddha."  You might also enjoy "Fierce 
Grace", if 
> you haven't already seen it.



If that's the Baba Rum Dum documentary then, yes, I've seen it and 
enjoyed it (although, as usual, I found Ram Das to be a complete 
mood maker).



> 
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> >Thanks to Barry for recommennding "The Advocate" and whomever 
> >recommended "God and Buddha".
> >
> >I enjoyed "The Advocate": well acted, great script and story and, 
of 
> >course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized 
alot 
> >of '70s films but didn't expect here.
> >
> >My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the movie 
> >but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax --
 
> >were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
> >Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
> >that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
> >surprise ending to this movie.
> >
> >Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I 
should 
> >be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
> >watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.
> >
> >"God and Buddha" is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
> >Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
> >observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, 
simply, 
> >a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
> >soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational 
way.
> >
> >Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  
This 
> >is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious 
that 
> >he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a 
celebrity 
> >TM teacher without the TM.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

DIXON
<>

OffWorld
...the US Indians are the only ones interested...

DIXON
No, because there are still more people going to them, even of 
different ethnic identities, than there are coming to the TMO. AOL 
is expanding not shrinking.


ROFLMAO ! ! !
Dixon says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians. 

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[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Acronyms

2006-07-01 Thread FairfieldLife

BC - Brahman Consciousness
BN - Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi
CC - Cosmic Consciousness
GC - God Consciousness
MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
POV - Point of View
SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master
SCI – Science of Creative Intelligence
SSRS - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Pundit-ji)
SV - Stpathya Ved (Vedic Architecture)
TB - True Believer (in TM doctrines)
TNB - True Non-Believer
TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization
TTC – TM Teacher Training Course
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Re: [FairfieldLife] "Advocate" and "God and Buddha"

2006-07-01 Thread Bhairitu
I recommended "God and Buddha."  You might also enjoy "Fierce Grace", if 
you haven't already seen it.

shempmcgurk wrote:

>Thanks to Barry for recommennding "The Advocate" and whomever 
>recommended "God and Buddha".
>
>I enjoyed "The Advocate": well acted, great script and story and, of 
>course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized alot 
>of '70s films but didn't expect here.
>
>My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the movie 
>but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax -- 
>were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
>Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
>that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
>surprise ending to this movie.
>
>Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I should 
>be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
>watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.
>
>"God and Buddha" is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
>Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
>observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, simply, 
>a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
>soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational way.
>
>Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  This 
>is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious that 
>he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a celebrity 
>TM teacher without the TM.
>
>
>
>
>  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/30/06 8:52:27 P.M. Central  Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> ullshit, MIU/MUM had loads of  Indians when I was there. Many of 
the 
> them are still in Fairfield or still  in to TM and are now living 
in 
> the US
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> It may seem a  lot to you, but your sense of perspective is 
lacking. Go to 
> any city in the US  where AOL is active and see the difference. In 
Houston, the 
> overwhelming  majority you see in an AOL center are Indian, 
usually south 
> Indian. I'm told  it's the same in other cities in Texas as well 
and apparently 
> DrPete is noticing  the same or something similar situation where 
he is. >>


So it is mostly US Indian religion...
Like I sayGood luck wit' that

(lol)

OffWorld

> Maharishi never attracted  large numbers of Indian immigrants to 
the TMO, not even 
> small numbers, they were  tiny or token numbers. >>>

Who cares.

OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 6/30/06 9:02:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> --- In  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote>>.
> 
> << use scare tactics and other brain-washing  tools to keep you 
hooked>>
> 
> Do you have experience or reports you  heard about this? Specifics?
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, there was a class action law suit against AOL, America on  
Line, refresh 
> yourself on the original post. People complained about having  
great 
> difficulty canceling their service. LOL. They felt like they were 
being  held hostage. 
> LOL!>>

Ah yes, THAT aol. I had the same experiences. I would like AOL to 
completely be wiped of the face of the planet. Please God...do it.

OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: the press conference to end all press conferences!

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> i.e. Maharishi's way of saying: I'm bored with these weekly press 
> conferences and don't want to do them anymore.

Could also be he's getting so frail they wipe him out,
and he wants to save his strength for more important
stuff.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Press Conference with Maharishi, JUNE 21, 2006
> > 
> > Maharishi: Jai Guru Dev. The press - the world press -
> > has put me in a difficult positionion. 
> > 
> > I am busy in creating the effect. I am busy in laying out 
> > an administrative policy for every country to have 
> > a few hundred people create invincibility for the nation. 
> > 
> > But the world press demands that - this is from 
> > the long history of the Movement - weekly press conferences. 
> > 
> > Then I wish to address to the worrld press today that 
> > the success is so great that I don't have time 
> > to speak now anymore [laughter].
> > 
> > Whatever I have spoken has been enough fruitful that 
> > I don't have to speak now. I don't get time to speak. 
> > 
> > Now I am busy in sorting out little, little details 
> > of administrative values. Practical administrative values 
> > have to be sorted out in every country, in every country, 
> > even though the whole thing is automatic and it could go 
> > without my any advice or anything. 
> > 
> > But because it seems to be a new thing - people have been 
> > suffering, and now the voice of the time is: 
> > waves of bliss, waves of bliss, waves of bliss.
> > 
> > So now the world press will excuse me for my success -
> > that my success has put me on a level where I have 
> > no time to talk to anyone. 
> > 
> > I have only time to just - some missing area, some little thing.
> > They are the practical administrative values - practical
> > adminiistrative values for two hundred, four hundred, 
> > these people to fly together.
> > 
> > So there is no more time to talk about the principles. 
> > Principles have been talked, have been established, 
> > have been verified by scientific research in all these years -
> > how many years. 
> > 
> > And now there is time too structure the administrative procedures,
> > administrative procedures, for those four hundred, five hundred, 
> > two hundred people everywhere to live in a way that 
> > they don't fall off the grace of total invincibility.
> > 
> > So I'll be busy that way, and will not have much time 
> > to speak about it. 
> > 
> > So Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace 
> > will inform the press that I'll be busy in 
> > creating the effect, rather than talking about 
> > the possibility of it, which I have been doing so far. 
> > 
> > So speaking so far has been completely successful, 
> > and now the success is [laughter] that I don't have time 
> > to speak about the principle. I create the effect, effect, effect.
> > 
> > And creating effect, from country to country, from country 
> > to country - from in thee first country, Holland, the country 
> > of wholeness. It is about two months that the Yogic Flyers 
> > in Holland have been creating that effect - intensive effect -
> > of coherence and positivity in the Dutch national consciousness. 
> > 
> > And this has inspired the neighboring nations' Yogic Flyers 
> > to follow the example of Holland. And they want to create 
> > the same thing in their country, in their country. 
> > 
> > So constantly, twenty-four hours, they are asking me. 
> > They are asking me little, little things, and I am 
> > not surprised, even those little, little things - but 
> > I have to answer them.
> > 
> > Therefore, I am on a working mood now, shifting 
> > from speaking to working, from speaking to working, 
> > from speaking to working. Now let me enjoy [laughter] 
> > for some time working. 
> > 
> > And then, I don't have even to work; 
> > I just see the bubbles of bliss, the waves of bliss, 
> > moving from country to country, from country to country, 
> > from nation to nation, from galaxy to galaxy, from galaxy 
> > to galaxy - the whole galactic universe governed 
> > by one Total Natural Law, the Will of God.
> > 
> > That will be witnessed in every country, in every country -
> > that administration. That administraation I am setting up 
> > in country by country. In the national consciousness 
> > of each country, growing in invincibility will prove 
> > to everyone that all kinds of positivity is growing 
> > in every country, and negativity subsiding, subsiding. 
> > 
> > And after some time, nobody would know what negativity means. 
> > Positive will be a natural, normal state of life. 
> > Success will be natural, normal state of every action. 
> > Then success will belong to every knowledge, because 
> > knowledge will be complete - Vedic knowledge will 
> > be complete - in the awareness os of everyone.
> > 
> > So all glory to Guru Dev. We are on the waves of bliss o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/1/06 1:33:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
[I wrote, in response to Vaj:]
> The TM  mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Did
> > you think MMY had  swiped them from Sivananda?
> > 
> > One of  the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva  
> > Purana.
> 
> Gasp, you mean the "traditional" techniques and mantras  are 
> actually, well, "traditional?G
> 
> Bingo!These so called borrowed techniques are very  traditional.
> Just because M uses these techniques  to supplement or enhance  TM 
> doesn't mean he has ripped them off from some other  teacher.

Vaj knows that, of course.  He was hoping others would not.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 10:44:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
> ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
> 
> And for those that believe Osama  is 
> > playing Bush and the republicans like a flute, watch for him to 
do  
> > something to try to influence the election like he did a couple 
of  
> > weeks before the last one.
> 
> You appear to be acknowledging that  bin Laden's tape
> before the 2004 election was intended to  influence
> folks to vote for Bush.
> 
> Good for you. At the time, the  right wing generally 
> went around proclaiming that bin Laden wanted  folks
> to vote for Kerry, in an attempt to get people to vote
> for  Bush.
> 
> Bin Laden knew precisely what he was  doing.
> 
> I'm not prepared to say Osama was wanting Bush elected.  However 
> Osama was trying to divide and conquer. I seem to remember him 
> saying  something about any state or city that didn't support Bush 
> would be spared  attacks by Al Qaeda. This sounded like an attempt 
> to get people to vote against  Bush for their own safety and 
> whether it backfired or not and whether he  intended it to 
> "backfire" is debatable.

Oh, of course he intended it to "backfire."  Bush
is Osama's wildest dream come true.

 I think most people saw his tape as  being laughable and an 
> attempt to influence the election and left it at that. I  don't
> think it changed anybody's minds of how they would  vote.

I doubt it had much if any effect.  But the way the
right wing deceptively tried to use it was inexcusable.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Advocate" and "God and Buddha"

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks to Barry for recommennding "The Advocate" and whomever 
> recommended "God and Buddha".
> 
> I enjoyed "The Advocate": well acted, great script and story and, of 
> course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized alot 
> of '70s films but didn't expect here.
> 
> My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the movie 
> but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax -- 
> were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
> Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
> that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
> surprise ending to this movie.
> 
> Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I should 
> be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
> watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.
> 
> "God and Buddha" is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
> Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
> observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, simply, 
> a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
> soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational way.
> 
> Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  This 
> is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious that 
> he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a celebrity 
> TM teacher without the TM.
>

Who changes his books to eliminate all reference to MMY and TM.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Ken Hassman

2006-07-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hooray for Ken!
>
Happy Birthday KH!





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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- authfriend wrote:
> > >
> > > --- Gillam wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- authfriend wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Rick  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign 
> > > > > > ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, 
> > > > > > like him.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And you see this as hypocrisy?
> > > > 
> > > > (Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you 
> > > > interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good 
> > > > at this sort of perception.
> > > 
> > > Well, I wasn't there, obviously.  But what the
> > > hell else could he say under the circumstances
> > > if he really thought the guys he was speaking to
> > > ought to be celibate for the sake of their
> > > evolution?
> > > 
> > > I'm not condoning his illicit sexual behavior,
> > > given his position, but I'm not sure "hypocrisy"
> > > is the right term for what he told the guys.
> > 
> > I see the nuance, and his conundrum. 
> > 
> > Given the lame nature of his relationships - 
> > maybe 30 minutes of nooky time at the end 
> > of the work day now and again - he probably 
> > didn't perceive himself as being in a relationship. 
> > I'm not trying to rationalize his behavior. I'm 
> > just assuming he was able to rationalize it himself.
> > 
> > I had a spell some years ago when I enjoyed a 
> > cigar or two on the weekend. After about six 
> > months of this, I was looking at an insurance 
> > form that asked, "Have you used any tobacco 
> > products in the past six months?" If so, I had 
> > to pay the smoker's rate for insurance. At that 
> > point I realized, "Oh my God. I'm a smoker." 
> > Before that, I never thought of myself as a smoker. 
> > It wasn't part of my identity. I was just enjoying 
> > a cigar or two on the weekend. 
> > 
> > Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
> > Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker 
> > even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was 
> > able to think he was celibate when he dallying
> > with his gopis.
> 
> Certainly possible.  What I had in mind was more
> that, assuming he genuinely thought it would be
> better for their spiritual development if they
> stayed celibate, introducing any potential
> cause for confusion over that instruction (How come
> he can and we can't? Is he really enlightened if he
> isn't celibate? etc. etc.) could inhibit their
> development, so he was essentially telling a lie
> for *their* benefit.
> 
> Ends justifying the means and all that, clearly a
> rationalization and not the ideal we'd like to see
> by any means, but not hypocrisy per se.
> 
> I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
> about sex but any "bad" habit or behavior--masters
> have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
> that habit or behavior because they perceive
> (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
> their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.
>

I recall being in an airport once with a couple of fellow sidhas while a bunch 
of Japanese 
assured us that their teacher, who was calmly smoking a cigarette in the 
corner, was the 
greatest living Zen master...








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 1:33:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> The TM  mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Did
> > you think MMY had  swiped them from Sivananda?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > One of  the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva  Purana.
> >
> 
> Gasp, you mean the "traditional" techniques and mantras  are actually, well, 
> "traditional?G
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bingo!These so called borrowed techniques are very  traditional. Just because 
> M uses these techniques  to supplement or enhance  TM doesn't mean he has 
> ripped them off from some other  teacher.
>

My belief is that MMY runs them through the filter of his own ability to 
reconstitute the 
"original" and most effective teaching, and then gives it out again.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Nixon practiced Hatha Yoga?

2006-07-01 Thread Peter
He and Agnew used to do Bastrika together.

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>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
> ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 6/30/06  7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> > ffl@ writes:
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Indians in large numbers attending.  The difference
> > > in Indian involvement in 
> > > AOL and the  TMO is like night and day in the United 
> > > States.
> > 
> >  But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s
> > when TM was  popular compared to how many are in the US
> > now when AOL is popular?  Big, big difference.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many 
>  
> > centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants  donating 
> time 
> > or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't  out there, they were. 
> > While you may feel uncomfortable about walking  into an AOL center or 
> lecture 
> > of some sort, try it and see what you  see. I think you would be surprised. 
> > It's mostly  Indians.
> >
> 
> MMY geared TM for  westerners.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many  Indians. They 
> thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making  money.
>

MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform 
you of 
how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then 
warn you to 
be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts...

Can't be TOO easy or its not working!

Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort 
and control 
do.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The 70's -Now and Then...

2006-07-01 Thread jim_flanegin
I must weigh in on the side of Now being better...because it is Now. 

Also the fact that Barry can ask 1000+ people this question 
simultaneously without thinking twice about it, is a huge 
transformation from the Big Three TV channels, a local newspaper and 
wired phone service we had in the 70's.

I often think that these days seem worse to many of us simply because 
there are no more closed doors to what we can be aware of, on a 
social, regional, national, and global basis.

Personally I like it much much better this way- more to deal with,  
but also a greater possiblity that we can tackle larger issues more 
successfully and collaboratively. Of course there has been the ability 
for those in power to use these same tools to entrench and consolidate 
their power. But they can't get away with as much for as long as they 
used to. Through the communications revolution, we are all being 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] English names you never see in America

2006-07-01 Thread Bhairitu
shempmcgurk wrote:

>There are certain "English" names you almost never see used in America 
>but that the Brits use, kinda like names African-Americans give their 
>children that you would never see in other communities (Shaniqua, 
>Shaquille, Daneesha, etc.).
>
>Some examples:
>
>Giles
>Nigel
>Clive
>
A girlfriend I had in the early 1970's (who got me into TM) had a 
brother with the name Nigel.  Her mother was a former British fashion 
fashion model and gave the kids British names.



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Fwd: [FairfieldLife] English names you never see in America

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 12:01:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  There are certain "English" names you almost never see used in America 
  but that the Brits use, kinda like names African-Americans give their 
  children that you would never see in other communities (Shaniqua, 
  Shaquille, Daneesha, etc.).Some 
  examples:GilesNigelClive

I knew an English initiator named Clive Richardson. The 
last I heard , he was teaching in South Africa. However, these English 
names you mention are very traditional and have been used for generations. The 
African/ American names, I think, are relatively knew, since the sixties. 
They are meant to sound anything but English and hopefully sound African. I 
have heard African/ Americans that are moving up refer to them as *ghetto* 
names.
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There are certain "English" names you almost never see used in America 
but that the Brits use, kinda like names African-Americans give their 
children that you would never see in other communities (Shaniqua, 
Shaquille, Daneesha, etc.).

Some examples:

Giles
Nigel
Clive


  






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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote:
>
> I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
> about sex but any "bad" habit or behavior--masters
> have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
> that habit or behavior because they perceive
> (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
> their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.

Maybe the solution would be for the master to 
promote his or her sadhana as a single element one 
adds to one's daily routine, rather than insisting 
students give up this behavior or adopt that one. 

Teaching, say, a meditation technique alone, 
without all the concomitant lifestyle stuff - 
diets, sexual protocols and such - would free
the master from having to exemplify the ideal 
lifestyle.

But what master has ever taken such a tack?
It would be bold indeed.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > 
> > http://yogavisionaries.com/future.php
> 
> So let's go for the big one. Who's gonna win 
> the World Cup?
>

Hmmm... Deutschland?  :0





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[FairfieldLife] English names you never see in America

2006-07-01 Thread shempmcgurk
There are certain "English" names you almost never see used in America 
but that the Brits use, kinda like names African-Americans give their 
children that you would never see in other communities (Shaniqua, 
Shaquille, Daneesha, etc.).

Some examples:

Giles
Nigel
Clive





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Ken Hassman

2006-07-01 Thread Kenny H
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> Hooray for Ken!
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Thanks kindly Rick. At 58, I'm very happy to have now passed my dad,
who died at 57.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 10:44:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:And for those that believe Osama 
  is > playing Bush and the republicans like a flute, watch for him to do 
  > something to try to influence the election like he did a couple of 
  > weeks before the last one.You appear to be acknowledging that 
  bin Laden's tapebefore the 2004 election was intended to 
  influencefolks to vote for Bush.Good for you. At the time, the 
  right wing generally went around proclaiming that bin Laden wanted 
  folksto vote for Kerry, in an attempt to get people to votefor 
  Bush.Bin Laden knew precisely what he was 
  doing.

I'm not prepared to say Osama was wanting Bush elected. 
However Osama was trying to divide and conquer. I seem to remember him saying 
something about any state or city that didn't support Bush would be spared 
attacks by Al Qaeda. This sounded like an attempt to get people to vote against 
Bush for their own safety and whether it backfired or not and whether he 
intended it to "backfire" is debatable. I think most people saw his tape as 
being laughable and an attempt to influence the election and left it at that. I 
don't think it changed anybody's minds of how they would 
vote.
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[FairfieldLife] "Advocate" and "God and Buddha"

2006-07-01 Thread shempmcgurk
Thanks to Barry for recommennding "The Advocate" and whomever 
recommended "God and Buddha".

I enjoyed "The Advocate": well acted, great script and story and, of 
course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized alot 
of '70s films but didn't expect here.

My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the movie 
but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax -- 
were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
surprise ending to this movie.

Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I should 
be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.

"God and Buddha" is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, simply, 
a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational way.

Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  This 
is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious that 
he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a celebrity 
TM teacher without the TM.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: the press conference to end all press conferences!

2006-07-01 Thread shempmcgurk
i.e. Maharishi's way of saying: I'm bored with these weekly press 
conferences and don't want to do them anymore.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Press Conference with Maharishi, JUNE 21, 2006
> 
> Maharishi: Jai Guru Dev. The press - the world press -
> has put me in a difficult positionion. 
> 
> I am busy in creating the effect. I am busy in laying out 
> an administrative policy for every country to have 
> a few hundred people create invincibility for the nation. 
> 
> But the world press demands that - this is from 
> the long history of the Movement - weekly press conferences. 
> 
> Then I wish to address to the worrld press today that 
> the success is so great that I don't have time 
> to speak now anymore [laughter].
> 
> Whatever I have spoken has been enough fruitful that 
> I don't have to speak now. I don't get time to speak. 
> 
> Now I am busy in sorting out little, little details 
> of administrative values. Practical administrative values 
> have to be sorted out in every country, in every country, 
> even though the whole thing is automatic and it could go 
> without my any advice or anything. 
> 
> But because it seems to be a new thing - people have been 
> suffering, and now the voice of the time is: 
> waves of bliss, waves of bliss, waves of bliss.
> 
> So now the world press will excuse me for my success -
> that my success has put me on a level where I have 
> no time to talk to anyone. 
> 
> I have only time to just - some missing area, some little thing.
> They are the practical administrative values - practical
> adminiistrative values for two hundred, four hundred, 
> these people to fly together.
> 
> So there is no more time to talk about the principles. 
> Principles have been talked, have been established, 
> have been verified by scientific research in all these years -
> how many years. 
> 
> And now there is time too structure the administrative procedures,
> administrative procedures, for those four hundred, five hundred, 
> two hundred people everywhere to live in a way that 
> they don't fall off the grace of total invincibility.
> 
> So I'll be busy that way, and will not have much time 
> to speak about it. 
> 
> So Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace 
> will inform the press that I'll be busy in 
> creating the effect, rather than talking about 
> the possibility of it, which I have been doing so far. 
> 
> So speaking so far has been completely successful, 
> and now the success is [laughter] that I don't have time 
> to speak about the principle. I create the effect, effect, effect.
> 
> And creating effect, from country to country, from country 
> to country - from in thee first country, Holland, the country 
> of wholeness. It is about two months that the Yogic Flyers 
> in Holland have been creating that effect - intensive effect -
> of coherence and positivity in the Dutch national consciousness. 
> 
> And this has inspired the neighboring nations' Yogic Flyers 
> to follow the example of Holland. And they want to create 
> the same thing in their country, in their country. 
> 
> So constantly, twenty-four hours, they are asking me. 
> They are asking me little, little things, and I am 
> not surprised, even those little, little things - but 
> I have to answer them.
> 
> Therefore, I am on a working mood now, shifting 
> from speaking to working, from speaking to working, 
> from speaking to working. Now let me enjoy [laughter] 
> for some time working. 
> 
> And then, I don't have even to work; 
> I just see the bubbles of bliss, the waves of bliss, 
> moving from country to country, from country to country, 
> from nation to nation, from galaxy to galaxy, from galaxy 
> to galaxy - the whole galactic universe governed 
> by one Total Natural Law, the Will of God.
> 
> That will be witnessed in every country, in every country -
> that administration. That administraation I am setting up 
> in country by country. In the national consciousness 
> of each country, growing in invincibility will prove 
> to everyone that all kinds of positivity is growing 
> in every country, and negativity subsiding, subsiding. 
> 
> And after some time, nobody would know what negativity means. 
> Positive will be a natural, normal state of life. 
> Success will be natural, normal state of every action. 
> Then success will belong to every knowledge, because 
> knowledge will be complete - Vedic knowledge will 
> be complete - in the awareness os of everyone.
> 
> So all glory to Guru Dev. We are on the waves of bliss ourselves. 
> This is the supreme level of evolvement of life on earth. 
> And we are proud to be belonging to that level. 
> It's very good.
> 
> So, Prime Minister, thank the world press. And thank 
> the - this is also the succcess of the reporting of world press. 
> Now they have been reporting all kinds of negative things, 
> and now their pen will be reporting nice things, 
> like t

[FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  And for those that believe Osama is 
> playing Bush and the republicans like a  flute, watch for him to do 
> something to try to influence the election like he  did a couple of 
> weeks before the last one.

You appear to be acknowledging that bin Laden's tape
before the 2004 election was intended to influence
folks to vote for Bush.

Good for you.  At the time, the right wing generally 
went around proclaiming that bin Laden wanted folks
to vote for Kerry, in an attempt to get people to vote
for Bush.

Bin Laden knew precisely what he was doing.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/1/06 1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
> ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 6/30/06  7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> > ffl@ writes:
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Indians in large numbers attending.  The difference
> > > in Indian involvement in 
> > > AOL and the  TMO is like night and day in the United 
> > > States.
> > 
> >  But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s
> > when TM was  popular compared to how many are in the US
> > now when AOL is popular?  Big, big difference.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. 
But how many 
>  
> > centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants  
donating 
> time 
> > or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't  out there, 
they were. 
> > While you may feel uncomfortable about walking  into an AOL 
center or 
> lecture 
> > of some sort, try it and see what you  see. I think you would be 
surprised. 
> > It's mostly  Indians.
> >
> 
> MMY geared TM for  westerners.
> 
> This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many 
> Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was 
> just making  money.

In India, presumably he gears it for Indians.
Probably aren't a whole lot of Western immigrants
to India who are learning it there.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 10:03:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the US 
  HR will probably change leadership inNov, Blair is in his last days, 
  Netherlands changes govt, Candachanged to Conservative govt, China's 
  leadership passed to a newgeneration, etc. 

Don't be too quick to think the HR is going to change 
leadership. The HR republicans have their fingers on the pulse of the nation 
when it comes to the heated immigration issue. This one issue will bring out 
republican and independent voters that might have stayed home for other reasons. 
And for those that believe Osama is playing Bush and the republicans like a 
flute, watch for him to do something to try to influence the election like he 
did a couple of weeks before the last one.
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[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday Ken Hassman

2006-07-01 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Happy Birthday Ken Hassman





Hooray for Ken!


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[FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> A few samples of his predictions for this year:
> Los Angeles to be hit by an earthquake, 7,6 to 8,6 on the Richter 
> scale in july, august or september early in the morning about 5 am.
> Huge damage to Hollywood.

Not  totally to point, but reminds me of on my TTC (first yr Mallorca)
Charlie had just come from the states and spoke. Said, "Did you hear
the BIG news?" "NOOO", we gasped. "LA was hit by a huge quake.
Much of it is leveled and devestated." When we go home, we found LA
quite in one piece.

> Hurricane damage to Texas oilfields by a hurricane a little stronger 
> than Katrina.

> Capitalism will go.

Now THAT would be a huge disaster. If you mean market economies will
be replaced by command and control production centers run by
bureaucrats. Economic growth, productivity and wage rates, will
plummet, prices will soar, there will be huge shortages, spending on
education, health, and good will efforts will fall. Now THAT is quite
a disaster scenario. 

And it will happen within ONLY six months! Reminds me of MMY saying
western democracies will all fall very soon, sooner than you think. 
That was about six months ago. I wonder if what he meant  by "fall" is
that (only) leadership will change persons or parties, and current
leaders will fall greatly in the polls, etc. That IS happening: Bush
and Blair have low polls, the US HR will probably change leadership in
Nov, Blair is in his last  days, Netherlands changes govt, Canda
changed to Conservative govt, China's leadership passed to a new
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[FairfieldLife] Nixon practiced Hatha Yoga?

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569





L.A. 
yoga guru accused of running illegal studio | Reuters.com 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 6/30/06 9:02:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> --- In  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote>>.
> 
> << use scare tactics and other brain-washing  tools to keep you 
hooked>>
> 
> Do you have experience or reports you  heard about this? Specifics?
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, there was a class action law suit against AOL, America on  
Line, refresh 
> yourself on the original post. People complained about having  
great 
> difficulty canceling their service. LOL. They felt like they were 
being  held hostage. 
> LOL!

There's a video on YouTube or Google Video of a TV
interview with a guy who recorded his attempt to
cancel his AOL service.  The AOL dude keeps trying
and trying to talk him out of it, and the guy keeps
saying over and over, "Cancel my account!  Cancel
my account!"  He's perfectly polite, just insistent.
Finally the AOL dude says, "Could you let me speak
to your father, please?"  The guy is 30 years old.

Here's his blog entry, with a link to the recording:

http://insignificantthoughts.com/2006/06/13/cancelling-aol/

Google "canceling AOL" for lots of other news stories,
blog posts, and so on.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:>> > In a message dated 6/30/06 
  7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> 
  > > > > > Indians in large numbers attending. 
  The difference> > in Indian involvement in > > AOL and the 
  TMO is like night and day in the United > > States.> > 
  But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s> when TM was 
  popular compared to how many are in the US> now when AOL is popular? 
  Big, big difference.> > > > > > 
  There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many 
  > centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants 
  donating time > or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't 
  out there, they were. > While you may feel uncomfortable about walking 
  into an AOL center or lecture > of some sort, try it and see what you 
  see. I think you would be surprised. > It's mostly 
  Indians.>MMY geared TM for 
  westerners.

This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many 
Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making 
money.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 1:33:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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The TM 
  mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Did> you think MMY had 
  swiped them from Sivananda?> > > > > One of 
  the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva 
  Purana.>Gasp, you mean the "traditional" techniques and mantras 
  are actually, well, "traditional?"

Bingo!These so called borrowed techniques are very 
traditional. Just because M uses these techniques  to supplement or enhance 
TM doesn't mean he has ripped them off from some other 
teacher.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/30/06 9:02:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--- In 
  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "Robert Gimbel" ...> 
  wrote>>.<>Do you have experience or reports you 
  heard about this? Specifics?OffWorld

Yes, there was a class action law suit against AOL, America on 
Line, refresh yourself on the original post. People complained about having 
great difficulty canceling their service. LOL. They felt like they were being 
held hostage. LOL!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/30/06 9:01:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:>> > In a message dated 6/30/06 
  7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> 
  > > > > > Indians in large numbers attending. 
  The difference> > in Indian involvement in > > AOL and the 
  TMO is like night and day in the United > > States.> > 
  But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s> when TM was 
  popular compared to how many are in the US> now when AOL is popular? 
  Big, big difference.> > > > > > 
  There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many 
  > centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants 
  donating time > or getting initiated. It wasn't because they 
  weren't out there, they were. > While you may feel uncomfortable 
  about walking into an AOL center or lecture > of some sort, try it 
  and see what you see. I think you would be surprised. > It's mostly 
  Indians>>Wow, how sad, the US Indians are the only ones 
  interested. Seems like AOL is dead in the 
  water.OffWorld

No, because there are still more people going to them, even of 
different ethnic identities, than there are coming to the TMO. AOL is expanding 
not shrinking.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> > --- nablus108  wrote:
> > > 
> > > I guess its a combination. My "feeling" is beeing
> > > confirmed by an 
> > > american phsycic who happens to be a former
> > > TM-teacher. Claims to 
> > > have 70% correct in his predictions. I'll try to
> > > find his website if 
> > > you are interested.
> > 
> > 70% accuracy and a former TM teacher. But is he/she
> > recertified? That is the real question. I don't take
> > my predictions from just any old charlatan.
> 
> A few samples of his predictions for this year:
> Los Angeles to be hit by an earthquake, 7,6 to 8,6 on the Richter 
> scale in july, august or september early in the morning about 5 am.
> Huge damage to Hollywood.
> Hurricane damage to Texas oilfields by a hurricane a little 
> stronger 
> than Katrina.
> Capitalism will go.
> 
> http://yogavisionaries.com/future.php

So let's go for the big one. Who's gonna win 
the World Cup?









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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- authfriend wrote:
> >
> > --- Gillam wrote:
> > >
> > > --- authfriend wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- Rick  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign 
> > > > > ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, 
> > > > > like him.
> > > > 
> > > > And you see this as hypocrisy?
> > > 
> > > (Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you 
> > > interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good 
> > > at this sort of perception.
> > 
> > Well, I wasn't there, obviously.  But what the
> > hell else could he say under the circumstances
> > if he really thought the guys he was speaking to
> > ought to be celibate for the sake of their
> > evolution?
> > 
> > I'm not condoning his illicit sexual behavior,
> > given his position, but I'm not sure "hypocrisy"
> > is the right term for what he told the guys.
> 
> I see the nuance, and his conundrum. 
> 
> Given the lame nature of his relationships - 
> maybe 30 minutes of nooky time at the end 
> of the work day now and again - he probably 
> didn't perceive himself as being in a relationship. 
> I'm not trying to rationalize his behavior. I'm 
> just assuming he was able to rationalize it himself.
> 
> I had a spell some years ago when I enjoyed a 
> cigar or two on the weekend. After about six 
> months of this, I was looking at an insurance 
> form that asked, "Have you used any tobacco 
> products in the past six months?" If so, I had 
> to pay the smoker's rate for insurance. At that 
> point I realized, "Oh my God. I'm a smoker." 
> Before that, I never thought of myself as a smoker. 
> It wasn't part of my identity. I was just enjoying 
> a cigar or two on the weekend. 
> 
> Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
> Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker 
> even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was 
> able to think he was celibate when he dallying
> with his gopis.

Certainly possible.  What I had in mind was more
that, assuming he genuinely thought it would be
better for their spiritual development if they
stayed celibate, introducing any potential
cause for confusion over that instruction (How come
he can and we can't? Is he really enlightened if he
isn't celibate? etc. etc.) could inhibit their
development, so he was essentially telling a lie
for *their* benefit.

Ends justifying the means and all that, clearly a
rationalization and not the ideal we'd like to see
by any means, but not hypocrisy per se.

I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
about sex but any "bad" habit or behavior--masters
have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
that habit or behavior because they perceive
(accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 6/30/06 8:52:27 P.M. Central  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ullshit, MIU/MUM had loads of  Indians when I was there. Many of the 
them are still in Fairfield or still  in to TM and are now living in 
the US

OffWorld

It may seem a  lot to you, but your sense of perspective is lacking. Go to 
any city in the US  where AOL is active and see the difference. In Houston, the 
overwhelming  majority you see in an AOL center are Indian, usually south 
Indian. I'm told  it's the same in other cities in Texas as well and apparently 
DrPete is noticing  the same or something similar situation where he is. 
Maharishi never attracted  large numbers of Indian immigrants to the TMO, not 
even 
small numbers, they were  tiny or token numbers. Ask the average Initiator how 
many Indians he/she has  initiated. It won't be many. The situation with MUM is 
that it is the hub  of the movement and many of those Indians are probably 
there on scholarship to  get a free or cheap education.  



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/30/06 9:01:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> 
  wrote:snip> > Well, it's hard to get out of AOL once you 
  get in;> sort of like they > use scare tactics and other 
  brain-washing tools to> keep you hooked.With all due respect, 
  what the f*ck are you talkingabout? I've been "in" the AOL and have seen 
  the innerworkings quite clearly and the people involvedincluding SSRS 
  are completely natural, spontaneous andopen. Seriously, what are you 
  talking about when yourefer to "scare tactics" and "brain washing?" Are 
  youjoking?

Robert, LOL, yes he's joking. AOL also stands for America 
On  Line, who have been accused of not allowing people to escape or leave 
them. People have complained about having trouble canceling their service with 
AOL.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/30/06 9:01:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:>> > In a message dated 6/30/06 
  7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> 
  > > > > > Indians in large numbers attending. 
  The difference> > in Indian involvement in > > AOL and the 
  TMO is like night and day in the United > > States.> > 
  But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s> when TM was 
  popular compared to how many are in the US> now when AOL is popular? 
  Big, big difference.> > > > > > 
  There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many 
  > centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants 
  donating time > or getting initiated. It wasn't because they 
  weren't out there, they were. > While you may feel uncomfortable 
  about walking into an AOL center or lecture > of some sort, try it 
  and see what you see. I think you would be surprised. > It's mostly 
  Indians>>Wow, how sad, the US Indians are the only ones 
  interested. Seems like AOL is dead in the 
  water.OffWorld

 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 6/30/06 8:14:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   wrote:
> 
> > 
> > In a message dated 6/30/06 6:52:15 P.M.  Central
> > Daylight Time, 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   
writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In  _FairfieldLife@ --- In  _Fai
> > (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
> > , MDixon6569@ , MD
> > >
> > > 
> > > In a  message dated 6/30/06 5:54:15 P.M. Central
> > Daylight Time, 
> >  > [EMAIL PROTECTED] _no_re
> > (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) )  
> writes:
> > > 
> > > I would hope it would look like what Sri  Sri Ravi 
> > Shankar is 
> > > doing: 
> > > > creating  a "Woodstock of meditation" and
> > initiating millions on 
> > a  
> > > > donation basis and doing some important form of
> >  world-seva, 
> > > > tirelessly. >>>
> > > 
> >  > Millions?
> > > 
> > > OffWorld
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Yup. Millions. And one thing I've noticed is  SSRS
> > attracts many 
> > Indian 
> > > immigrants in the  United States to his AOL
> > movement, unlike MMY 
> > was ever able  to 
> > > do.>>>
> > 
> > Dr. Chopra was an Indian  immigrant. So is Dr. Hari
> > Sharma, and maybe 
> > Farrokh  Anklesaria? And whole bunch others too
> > numerous to mention.
> >  
> > OffWorld
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Those few you mentioned are exactly that, a few. I
> > rarely saw  Indians coming 
> > in for lectures much less initiation. I'm not  saying
> > there weren't any, I'm 
> > say they are a very small  percentage of over all
> > initiations in the US. The 
> > events I  have seen put on by AOL have primarily
> > Indians running the events and  
> > Indians in large numbers attending. The difference
> > in Indian  involvement in 
> > AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United  
> > States.
> 
> I've noticed that same thing especially in the last  5
> years. In the early 90's there were very few indians
> now its  Bangalore-West!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Exactly >>

So its mostly an Indian religious thing. 
Good luck wit' that. 

(lol)

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/30/06 8:14:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]com 
  wrote:> > In a message dated 6/30/06 6:52:15 P.M. 
  Central> Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com 
  writes:> > > > --- In 
  _FairfieldLife@FairfieldLifFai_> (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
  > , [EMAIL PROTECTED], MDi> >> > > > In a 
  message dated 6/30/06 5:54:15 P.M. Central> Daylight Time, > 
  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]pno_re_> (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com) 
  writes:> > > > I would hope it would look like what Sri 
  Sri Ravi > Shankar is > > doing: > > > creating 
  a "Woodstock of meditation" and> initiating millions on > a 
  > > > donation basis and doing some important form of> 
  world-seva, > > > tirelessly.  > > 
  > Millions?> > > > OffWorld> > > > 
  > > > > Yup. Millions. And one thing I've noticed is 
  SSRS> attracts many > Indian > > immigrants in the 
  United States to his AOL> movement, unlike MMY > was ever able 
  to > > do. > Dr. Chopra was an Indian 
  immigrant. So is Dr. Hari> Sharma, and maybe > Farrokh 
  Anklesaria? And whole bunch others too> numerous to mention.> 
  > OffWorld> > > > > > 
  > Those few you mentioned are exactly that, a few. I> rarely saw 
  Indians coming > in for lectures much less initiation. I'm not 
  saying> there weren't any, I'm > say they are a very small 
  percentage of over all> initiations in the US. The > events I 
  have seen put on by AOL have primarily> Indians running the events and 
  > Indians in large numbers attending. The difference> in Indian 
  involvement in > AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United 
  > States.I've noticed that same thing especially in the last 
  5years. In the early 90's there were very few indiansnow its 
  Bangalore-West!

Exactly
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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote:
>
> --- Gillam wrote:
> >
> > --- authfriend wrote:
> > >
> > > --- Rick  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign 
> > > > ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, 
> > > > like him.
> > > 
> > > And you see this as hypocrisy?
> > 
> > (Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you 
> > interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good 
> > at this sort of perception.
> 
> Well, I wasn't there, obviously.  But what the
> hell else could he say under the circumstances
> if he really thought the guys he was speaking to
> ought to be celibate for the sake of their
> evolution?
> 
> I'm not condoning his illicit sexual behavior,
> given his position, but I'm not sure "hypocrisy"
> is the right term for what he told the guys.

I see the nuance, and his conundrum. 

Given the lame nature of his relationships - 
maybe 30 minutes of nooky time at the end 
of the work day now and again - he probably 
didn't perceive himself as being in a relationship. 
I'm not trying to rationalize his behavior. I'm 
just assuming he was able to rationalize it himself.

I had a spell some years ago when I enjoyed a 
cigar or two on the weekend. After about six 
months of this, I was looking at an insurance 
form that asked, "Have you used any tobacco 
products in the past six months?" If so, I had 
to pay the smoker's rate for insurance. At that 
point I realized, "Oh my God. I'm a smoker." 
Before that, I never thought of myself as a smoker. 
It wasn't part of my identity. I was just enjoying 
a cigar or two on the weekend. 

Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker 
even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was 
able to think he was celibate when he dallying
with his gopis.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: the press conference to end all press conferences!

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" 
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> Press Conference with Maharishi, JUNE 21, 2006
> 
> Maharishi: Jai Guru Dev. bigsnip>>

<<>


Is that the dualism Vaj beeps going on about?
Gimme more baby!

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[FairfieldLife] all are invited to Holland for Guru Purnima time

2006-07-01 Thread george_deforest
Invitation to Holland for all the Governors and Sidhhas

Dear Friends,

This evening Maharishi gave a kind invitation 
for all the Governors and Yogic Flyers to come to Meru, Holland 
for Guru Purnima Celebration that will take place starting 
on the full moon day of 11 July. 

Governors and siddhas are advised to come one or two days earlier 
(on the 9th or 10th of July) if possible.

However if any country can gather in their nation 
by Guru Purnima sufficient Yogic Flyers to create 
national invincibility then all the Flyers should remain there,
and then Maharishi will talk to them daily from Holland 
by phone or video conference.

The Governors and Yogic Flyers who come this time 
will be asked to cover the direct costs of their stay, 
which including hotel, food, buses etc may be approx 
150 Euros per day.

The length of time for the Guru Purnima Assembly 
is not set, it could be a week or ten days or even longer, 
according to each person's own planning.

Maharishi would like to hear quickly how many are coming 
from which country, so Please let us know as soon as possible 
if you wish to attend the Guru Purnima celebration in Holland, 
and if you could contact your friends (Governors and
siddhas) and get a response from them, and send us 
their names and projected length of stay -- that 
will be helpful in the planning for this Global event.

In order to fulfill the invitation of Maharishi, 
and for those who are not able to join the assembly in Holland, 
every TM Center will have a group program for sidhas 
on the Guru Purnima day on July 11, 2006, 
the program will start around 6:00 all will fly at 7:00

For those who wish to go to Holland please contact 
your TM center or your TM teacher as soon as possible 
in order to get the invitation for the Visa to Holland.

Thank you so much!

With All Best Wishes

Jai Guru Dev

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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi: the press conference to end all press conferences!

2006-07-01 Thread george_deforest
Press Conference with Maharishi, JUNE 21, 2006

Maharishi: Jai Guru Dev. The press - the world press -
has put me in a difficult positionion. 

I am busy in creating the effect. I am busy in laying out 
an administrative policy for every country to have 
a few hundred people create invincibility for the nation. 

But the world press demands that - this is from 
the long history of the Movement - weekly press conferences. 

Then I wish to address to the worrld press today that 
the success is so great that I don't have time 
to speak now anymore [laughter].

Whatever I have spoken has been enough fruitful that 
I don't have to speak now. I don't get time to speak. 

Now I am busy in sorting out little, little details 
of administrative values. Practical administrative values 
have to be sorted out in every country, in every country, 
even though the whole thing is automatic and it could go 
without my any advice or anything. 

But because it seems to be a new thing - people have been 
suffering, and now the voice of the time is: 
waves of bliss, waves of bliss, waves of bliss.

So now the world press will excuse me for my success -
that my success has put me on a level where I have 
no time to talk to anyone. 

I have only time to just - some missing area, some little thing.
They are the practical administrative values - practical
adminiistrative values for two hundred, four hundred, 
these people to fly together.

So there is no more time to talk about the principles. 
Principles have been talked, have been established, 
have been verified by scientific research in all these years -
how many years. 

And now there is time too structure the administrative procedures,
administrative procedures, for those four hundred, five hundred, 
two hundred people everywhere to live in a way that 
they don't fall off the grace of total invincibility.

So I'll be busy that way, and will not have much time 
to speak about it. 

So Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace 
will inform the press that I'll be busy in 
creating the effect, rather than talking about 
the possibility of it, which I have been doing so far. 

So speaking so far has been completely successful, 
and now the success is [laughter] that I don't have time 
to speak about the principle. I create the effect, effect, effect.

And creating effect, from country to country, from country 
to country - from in thee first country, Holland, the country 
of wholeness. It is about two months that the Yogic Flyers 
in Holland have been creating that effect - intensive effect -
of coherence and positivity in the Dutch national consciousness. 

And this has inspired the neighboring nations' Yogic Flyers 
to follow the example of Holland. And they want to create 
the same thing in their country, in their country. 

So constantly, twenty-four hours, they are asking me. 
They are asking me little, little things, and I am 
not surprised, even those little, little things - but 
I have to answer them.

Therefore, I am on a working mood now, shifting 
from speaking to working, from speaking to working, 
from speaking to working. Now let me enjoy [laughter] 
for some time working. 

And then, I don't have even to work; 
I just see the bubbles of bliss, the waves of bliss, 
moving from country to country, from country to country, 
from nation to nation, from galaxy to galaxy, from galaxy 
to galaxy - the whole galactic universe governed 
by one Total Natural Law, the Will of God.

That will be witnessed in every country, in every country -
that administration. That administraation I am setting up 
in country by country. In the national consciousness 
of each country, growing in invincibility will prove 
to everyone that all kinds of positivity is growing 
in every country, and negativity subsiding, subsiding. 

And after some time, nobody would know what negativity means. 
Positive will be a natural, normal state of life. 
Success will be natural, normal state of every action. 
Then success will belong to every knowledge, because 
knowledge will be complete - Vedic knowledge will 
be complete - in the awareness os of everyone.

So all glory to Guru Dev. We are on the waves of bliss ourselves. 
This is the supreme level of evolvement of life on earth. 
And we are proud to be belonging to that level. 
It's very good.

So, Prime Minister, thank the world press. And thank 
the - this is also the succcess of the reporting of world press. 
Now they have been reporting all kinds of negative things, 
and now their pen will be reporting nice things, 
like that, like that, like that. 

So put them on a new world, and don't mind if I'm 
not able to speak to them. Jai Guru Dev.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> 
> 
> --- nablus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I guess its a combination. My "feeling" is beeing
> > confirmed by an 
> > american phsycic who happens to be a former
> > TM-teacher. Claims to 
> > have 70% correct in his predictions. I'll try to
> > find his website if 
> > you are interested.
> 
> 70% accuracy and a former TM teacher. But is he/she
> recertified? That is the real question. I don't take
> my predictions from just any old charlatan.

A few samples of his predictions for this year:
Los Angeles to be hit by an earthquake, 7,6 to 8,6 on the Richter 
scale in july, august or september early in the morning about 5 am.
Huge damage to Hollywood.
Hurricane damage to Texas oilfields by a hurricane a little stronger 
than Katrina.
Capitalism will go.

http://yogavisionaries.com/future.php





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