[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
snip
   The poll didn't mention specifically warrantless wire taps but 
   that issue had been debated all Winter and Spring, even 
   mentioning it in the Democratic poll, so the public was quite 
   aware of what was going on and still 65% answered that they
   thought it was important enough even if it intruded on 
   their privacy.  Only that hard core 30+% absolutely rejected 
   any intrusion of privacy. After all  the poll clearly was about 
   what was going on in the NSA, not some fictitious scenario
   and the public has been very aware that warrants were  not 
   being asked for or issued on incoming calls from  terrorists.
  
  It is a *VERY* weak argument, verging on desperation,
  to claim everyone who took the poll not only understood
  that the question meant this or that when it was not
  mentioned at all, but that they went ahead and answered
  based on that purported understanding.
  
  Poll questions ask what they ask, not what you imagine
  those polled mentally added to the questions.

 That's why poll questions are supposed to be concise and not just 
short.

It's not just that.  If the administration has been
using drowning as a method of execution, and there's
been a big debate about whether it's appropriate, and
you take a poll asking, Do you approve of capital
punishment? and a majority answers Yes, you don't
report that a majority is in favor of including
drowning as a method of execution.

And if there has recently been a court ruling forbidding
drowning as a method, you don't say, Most people want
the current methods of capital punishment in place and
it is still going on while it is appealed. So nothing
has really changed and probably won't till the Supreme
Court hears it.

That's just deliberately misleading, with intent to
deceive.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 8/19/06 6:33:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  sparaig@ writes:
  
  As I  mentioned earlier the date of your poll was in January or 
2006. The 
date of my poll is May 11 2006. Evidently people have changed 
their minds 
  and  
   support the program in place once they heard the  debate.
  
  
  Or had forgotten the debate in the first  place.
  
  What do the polls show now about the President vs the  courts.
  
  
  
  
  Spair, why do you think people in general are stupid and can't 
remember the  
  debate? As for the polls now? I haven't seen any. I think most 
people want to  
  wait and see what the courts say, even through the appeal. I 
personally don't 
   think many people are that informed on both sides of the issue, 
but I do 
  think  most people want the NSA program in place since it has 
been so successful. 
  You  never know how this is going to go down in the Supreme 
Court. They may 
  agree  whole heartedly with this first judge and then again they 
may agree with 
  the  president. Or they may say yeah its a good idea but the FISA 
laws need  
  to  be tweaked one way or another to be able to leave it in  
place.
 
 
 Just how sucessful has this new program been, as compared to one
 that would have actually followed the law?

NOBODY KNOWS, or the public certainly doesn't, because
it's a national security matter, according to the
administration, and is therefore classified.

Just *imagine* that argument being proposed by
a Hillary Clinton administration.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 8/19/06 6:29:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  sparaig@ writes:
  
  Did you  miss the fact that the Pres can obtain the warrant 
  within 48 hours AFTER the wiretap starts?
  
  No not at all.
 
 So you think that a congressional law passed during the War on
 Terror can be circumvented by the Pres because he disagrees with 
 Congress?

It wasn't passed during the War on Terror.  It was
passed back in 1972 as part of the fallout from Watergate.

Notice that MDixon forgot to explain why the fact
that a warrant isn't required until 72 (not 48) hours
after the wiretap starts doesn't eliminate the need
for the administration to be able to wiretap without
a warrant.






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[FairfieldLife] Dominant force?

2006-08-20 Thread cardemaister


[...] just within the last three or four years we physicists
have been *shocked out of our minds* [not sure that's exactly
the phrase Kaku used; that's how I perceived it] to realize that
antigravity is the dominant force in the entire universe!

- physicist Michio Kaku in The Virtual Magician.

http://www.virtualmagician.com/html/tv_series.html






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 --- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that,
  but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome
  in this important time in world history.
  People who wants to do good will not think like
  that.
  Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason,
  and should come and do good for the world, not
  thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for
  his existence.
 
 Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original
 thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time
 ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly
 drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or
 something?). Next you'll be telling us that the
 pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks
 together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst
 for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital
 fops that have ruined the movement with there
 sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan
 suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an
 original thought. The greatest irony is that you are
 MMY's curse and you don't even know it. 



Well said!

Yes, it is these horrible people that surround MMY and do NOT tell 
him like it is that has destroyed the Movement.

There are, indeed, MMY's curse.





 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  --- kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote:
  
   If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that,
   but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome
   in this important time in world history.
   People who wants to do good will not think like
   that.
   Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason,
   and should come and do good for the world, not
   thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for
   his existence.
  
  Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original
  thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time
  ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly
  drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or
  something?). Next you'll be telling us that the
  pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks
  together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst
  for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital
  fops that have ruined the movement with there
  sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan
  suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an
  original thought. The greatest irony is that you are
  MMY's curse and you don't even know it.
 
 Jeez, and people think *I'm* rude and harsh.


No, we think you're annoying.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 8/19/06 6:18:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  sparaig@ writes:
  
  Of  curse, none of these polls quite asks about the real issue: 
should the  
  president be 
  allowed to ignore the law?
  
  The law states that the law  enforcement types most get a warrant 
to monitor 
  calls of the 
  relevant kind  within 48 hours AFTER the monitoring starts, IIRC.
  
  The President never  bothered to have his people do this. IN 
fact, since it 
  is standard  
  procedure for law enforcement agents to follow the law unless 
told  
  otherwise, someone 
  must have ordered these agents NOT to follow the  law.
  
  
  
  As I have now said in a couple of other posts, the issue as you 
state also  
  involves presidential powers in a time of war when national 
security is  
  involved. Presidential authority and powers can and has changed 
numerous times  
  through out our history during wars.
 
 
 Show me the Constitutional basis for this change in powers.

The administration argues that the Iraq war resolution
allows Bush to take whatever measures he thinks are
necessary.  According to Gonzales:

Now, we do not have to decide whether, when we're at war
and there is a vital need for the terrorist surveillance
program, FISA unconstitutionally encroaches or places an
unconstitutional constraint upon the President's Article
II powers. We can avoid that tough question because
Congress gave the President the force resolution [i.e.,
to use force against Iraq], and that statute removes any
possible tension between what Congress said in 1978 in
FISA and the President's constitutional authority today.

Yes, by all means, let's try to find a way to avoid tough
questions over whether an action is constitutional or not.

(I said in an earlier post that FISA was passed in 1972;
it was actually 1978.)

Notice that Gonzales refers to warrantless wiretapping
here as the terrorist surveillance program, as if the
FISA law already in place didn't provide for a perfectly
good terrorist surveillance program that doesn't
encroach upon the ability to wiretap terrorist suspects
in the slightest.







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[FairfieldLife] Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread cardemaister

Shalom, Israel!  :/





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 Shalom, Israel!  :/

Here is a common prayer in Hebrew and English:

'Shamah Yisrael Adonoi Elohaynu, Adonoi Ehudh'
 Here, oh Israel, The Lord is One.
   (Unity Consciousness)

This prayer was said, by many Jews;
I was told;
By an Israeli friend, whom, I met on TTC in Avoriaz, France, 1977.
 Mordachai, also told me that it was a final prayer;
For many in the final moment of death;
during the holocaust period:
For the goal of total and systematic;
Elimination of all European Jews, 
circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. 
R.G.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  Shalom, Israel!  :/
 
 Here is a common prayer in Hebrew and English:
 
 'Shamah Yisrael Adonoi Elohaynu, Adonoi Ehudh'
  Here, oh Israel, The Lord is One.
(Sorry) this should say: 'Hear Oh Israel, The Lord is One.'
(Unity Consciousness)

[or that consciousness itself, is the basis of all.
and the more pure consciousness is established;
On a daily basis, in the dome, on the course, or wherever you happen 
to be;
It always comes back to how much as M puts it:
How much the 'cloth is colorfast; by coloring and putting it in the 
sun.
The breadth and width of pure consciousness established.
Is the goal.
Not any particular sutra, or power, or anything.
Just awareness constantly, of your own self, inside.
Expanded, pure, and unbounded in time and space.]

continuing knowledge of this Jewish prayer: 
 This prayer was said, by many Jews;
 I was told;
My Israeli friend, told me on TTC in 1977.
  Mordachai, (my Israel friend)- also told me that;
It was a final prayer;
 For many in the final moment, before death;
 in the holocaust period:
   R.G.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 8/19/06 6:33:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  sparaig@ writes:
  
  As I  mentioned earlier the date of your poll was in January or 
2006. The 
date of my poll is May 11 2006. Evidently people have changed 
their minds 
  and  
   support the program in place once they heard the  debate.
  
  
  Or had forgotten the debate in the first  place.
  
  What do the polls show now about the President vs the  courts.
  
  
  
  
  Spair, why do you think people in general are stupid and can't 
remember the  
  debate? As for the polls now? I haven't seen any. I think most 
people want to  
  wait and see what the courts say, even through the appeal. I 
personally don't 
   think many people are that informed on both sides of the issue, 
but I do 
  think  most people want the NSA program in place since it has 
been so successful. 
  You  never know how this is going to go down in the Supreme 
Court. They may 
  agree  whole heartedly with this first judge and then again they 
may agree with 
  the  president. Or they may say yeah its a good idea but the FISA 
laws need  
  to  be tweaked one way or another to be able to leave it in  
place.
 
 
 Just how sucessful has this new program been, as compared to one 
that would have 
 actually followed the law?

The reason this Fica law was created in the first place;
Was to limit the executive branch, the President;
Using wiretaps, for his own political purposes;
For example, if the President can wiretap, anyone he pleases:
What is to stop him, or his friend karl, from using info recieved 
from wiretaps, like Nixon did, to destroy his political foes.
If the President as the Commander in Chief;
Can use war as a prelude and theme, for justifying anything...
This is what the constitution provided;
A system of checks and balances, so that it would be evolutionary;
Right now, it's as though there is only one branch of government;
Since the Bushies and the Rummies, and the Cheney's and all the rest;
Pretty much run everything, right?
Do you think they will give up power, any power they obtain, easily.
If so, you are mightly wrong.
So, hopefully we can bring the government back to some purity;
Because as it stands now, as George Carlin said;
It's all so,  soul draining...
There is so much waste;
Especially in the military;
In terms of lives, lost souls, and lost treasure;
All to create more hatred of us, me, and you...
Americans...
What do we want to stand for as Americans?
Money, power, decadence?
Remember Rome, and the idea, that power corrupts;
And that absolute power, corrupts absolutely...
R.G.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 during the holocaust period:
 For the goal of total and systematic;
 Elimination of all European Jews, 
 circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. 
 R.G.


I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding,
according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason
for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those
Jewish people.  :(

 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ 
 wrote:
 
  during the holocaust period:
  For the goal of total and systematic;
  Elimination of all European Jews, 
  circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. 
  R.G.
 
 
 I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding,
 according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason
 for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those
 Jewish people.  :(


18 Jehovah is slow to anger, and abundant in lovingkindness, 
forgiving iniquity and transgression; and that will by no means clear 
the guilty , visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, 
upon the third and upon the fourth generation.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  Shalom, Israel!  :/
 
 Here is a common prayer in Hebrew and English:
 
 'Shamah Yisrael Adonoi Elohaynu, Adonoi Ehudh'
  Here, oh Israel, The Lord is One.
(Unity Consciousness)
 

Here's another transliteration I found by googling:

 Hear, O Israel (Shema Yisrael): The Lord our God (Adonai Eloheinu), 
the Lord is one (Adonai Ehad). Deuteronomy (Humash Devarim) 6:4. ... 

I guess eloheinu means 'our God'. Perhaps it's - so to speak - the 
plural elohim  with some kind of possessive suffix.
If the last phrase was elohim ehad, it would be really cool!


 This prayer was said, by many Jews;
 I was told;
 By an Israeli friend, whom, I met on TTC in Avoriaz, France, 1977.
  Mordachai, also told me that it was a final prayer;
 For many in the final moment of death;
 during the holocaust period:
 For the goal of total and systematic;
 Elimination of all European Jews, 
 circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. 
 R.G.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  

   In a message dated 8/19/06 6:33:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
   sparaig@ writes:
   
   As I  mentioned earlier the date of your poll was in January or 
 2006. The 
 date of my poll is May 11 2006. Evidently people have changed 
 their minds 
   and  
support the program in place once they heard the  debate.
   
   
   Or had forgotten the debate in the first  place.
   
   What do the polls show now about the President vs the  courts.
   
   
   
   
   Spair, why do you think people in general are stupid and can't 
 remember the  
   debate? As for the polls now? I haven't seen any. I think most 
 people want to  
   wait and see what the courts say, even through the appeal. I 
 personally don't 
think many people are that informed on both sides of the issue, 
 but I do 
   think  most people want the NSA program in place since it has 
 been so successful. 
   You  never know how this is going to go down in the Supreme 
 Court. They may 
   agree  whole heartedly with this first judge and then again they 
 may agree with 
   the  president. Or they may say yeah its a good idea but the FISA 
 laws need  
   to  be tweaked one way or another to be able to leave it in  
 place.
  
  
  Just how sucessful has this new program been, as compared to one
  that would have actually followed the law?
 
 NOBODY KNOWS, or the public certainly doesn't, because
 it's a national security matter, according to the
 administration, and is therefore classified.
 
 Just *imagine* that argument being proposed by
 a Hillary Clinton administration.



In all fairness, by any administration whose party doesn't control all three 
branches of 
government...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ 
 wrote:
 
  during the holocaust period:
  For the goal of total and systematic;
  Elimination of all European Jews, 
  circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. 
  R.G.
 
 
 I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding,
 according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason
 for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those
 Jewish people.  :(


Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden of those Jews...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread sparaig
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  

   In a message dated 8/19/06 6:29:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
   sparaig@ writes:
   
   Did you  miss the fact that the Pres can obtain the warrant 
   within 48 hours AFTER the wiretap starts?
   
   No not at all.
  
  So you think that a congressional law passed during the War on
  Terror can be circumvented by the Pres because he disagrees with 
  Congress?
 
 It wasn't passed during the War on Terror.  It was
 passed back in 1972 as part of the fallout from Watergate.
 
 Notice that MDixon forgot to explain why the fact
 that a warrant isn't required until 72 (not 48) hours
 after the wiretap starts doesn't eliminate the need
 for the administration to be able to wiretap without
 a warrant.


Because Lincoln did it?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread nablus108
 
 
 
 Well said!
 
 Yes, it is these horrible people that surround MMY and do NOT tell 
 him like it is that has destroyed the Movement.
 
 There are, indeed, MMY's curse.


This implies that Maharishi does not know exactly what is going on, 
which is a rather naive thought in my opinion. The destruction of 
the Movement was obviously a willed and nesessary process.  
 
 
 
 
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Train Noise in Fairfield

2006-08-20 Thread Dick Mays
Title: Re: Train Noise in Fairfield




Bill, I'm for a solution.
Dick


From: Bill Blackmore
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Date: 08/11/06 16:41:32
To:
Undisclosed-Recipient:,@franklin.lisco.com
Subject: Train Noise in Fairfield

Dear Friends,
I hope you will not mind me emailing
you about an issue that I think needs to be revisited by our City
Council. If this does not interest you, simply do not respond or
let me know and I'll make sure you don't get anymore emails from me
about this matter. I am sending this to friends and
acquaintances that I believe either live or work near the tracks or
are likely to support a better and quieter quality of life near the
train tracks. 

I want to give you the short history
of the recent debate about train noise in Fairfield. (This is
100% about the train whistles or horns, not the train and train tracks
themselves). I think this will be useful, since I didn't know
this myself until Mayor Malloy filled me in recently. A couple
of years ago (give or take a little) some local residents asked the
City Council to consider a solution that would have allowed trains to
pass through Ff. without honking. There was quite a debate,
letters to the Editor, etc., and in the final analysis the Council
members decided based on the feedback that they got that the community
was opposed to implementing a solution of this sort. The figure
I heard was that calls against a solution ran 5-1 to those in favor.
I have been told in no uncertain terms that because of this, the
issue cannot be successfully raised again with the current Council.


So what is the point here? I
don't know this for sure, but I am quite convinced that our Council
members did not get all that many calls, although I am sure they got
more against than for. My guess is that those of us who pay more
attention to quality of life issues simply got outhustled by someone
with a town vs. gown axe to grind. Somebody
organized some like-minded individuals, and they made a lot of calls,
and the other side didn't. End of story. 

Personally, I do not believe that
this issue is so lopsided. Also, now that our Civic Center is
under construction in close proximity to the tracks and slated to open
late next year, there is another basis on which to raise the issue of
the train noise. I don't like seeing something that I have
wanted to see happen for the entire time I have lived in Ff. get
shelved, especially since it was not going to cost taxpayers a dime.
(I believe this is correct, but am in the process of verifying
for sure). 

What am I asking you to do?
Right now its very simple. I am making an email list of
residents of Ff. who want to see the train whistles silenced once and
for all. To put your name on this list, simply send an email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (quiet trains). If you know anyone who you
think would support an initiative of this sort, please forward this
email to them so they can opt in if they want to do so. Once
this list reaches critical mass, we will unleash a campaign of letters
and emails to our City Council members to convince them that the time
has come for the train whistles to be silenced. I don't think
this will happen in the next month or so, as timing is critical.
I am finding out what sort of call volume the Council members
got last time around, so we will have a basis on which to guage the
level of support required. 

Thanks for your time and attention.
Regards, Bill Blackmore 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If the course office announces that their new policy is to ask 
people to agree to do nothing other than Maharishi's techniques in 
the dome, and that they won't concern themselves with anything other 
than that, I'll consider applying. 


 on 8/18/06 10:19 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least 
here in
   FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs.
   
   Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines 
stand
   and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular 
citizen
   sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy 
saints and
   stuff.
   
   Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines of 
the
   TMorg with this new earnest initiative?
  
 
 At least once a day I get called or emailed or approached on the 
street by
 people trying to get me to go to the dome. The person who called 
last night
 said that the course office had encouraged everyone to call their 
friends,
 even people who previously had not been allowed in the dome, and 
that ³only
 about 1% of the people are still being refused for personal 
reasons.² If the
 course office announces that their new policy is to ask people to 
agree to
 do nothing other than Maharishi¹s techniques in the dome, and that 
they
 won¹t concern themselves with anything other than that, I¹ll 
consider
 applying.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread kenwoodfx



Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your pure source, and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then you will be more happy and better in every way. Still there is time for that.Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   --- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote:   If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that,  but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome  in this important time in world history.
  People who wants to do good will not think like  that.  Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason,  and should come and do good for the world, not  thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for  his existence.  Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or something?). Next you'll be telling us that the pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital fops that have ruined the movement with there sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an original thought. The greatest irony is that you are MMY's curse and you don't even know it.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Would you trust these people with your social security number?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
 If the course office announces that their new policy is to ask 
 people to agree to do nothing other than Maharishi's techniques in 
 the dome, and that they won't concern themselves with anything 
other 
 than that, I'll consider applying. 

Rick, of course the 'guidelines' are in the crux of the community 
problem here.  But also is that 'trust issue'.  I considered 
applying to get back in to the domes for group program and see that 
they wanted my soc. security number and a lot of personal 
information to apply.  

Are these people who you could trust with personal identification 
information?  After reading the Kaplan threads here recently i don't 
think so.  All the media is filled with warnings of scam and types 
of identity thefts.  Should i trust the TMorg with personal 
identification information anymore?  Look what they did to Earl.

-Doug in FF

 
 
  on 8/18/06 10:19 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
  
Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least 
 here in
FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs.

Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines 
 stand
and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular 
 citizen
sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy 
 saints and
stuff.

Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines 
of 
 the
TMorg with this new earnest initiative?
   
  
  At least once a day I get called or emailed or approached on the 
 street by
  people trying to get me to go to the dome. The person who called 
 last night
  said that the course office had encouraged everyone to call 
their 
 friends,
  even people who previously had not been allowed in the dome, and 
 that ³only
  about 1% of the people are still being refused for personal 
 reasons.² If the
  course office announces that their new policy is to ask people 
to 
 agree to
  do nothing other than Maharishi¹s techniques in the dome, and 
that 
 they
  won¹t concern themselves with anything other than that, I¹ll 
 consider
  applying.
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
babajii_99@ 
  wrote:
  
   during the holocaust period:
   For the goal of total and systematic;
   Elimination of all European Jews, 
   circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. 
   R.G.
  
  
  I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding,
  according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason
  for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those
  Jewish people.  :(
 
 
 Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden of 
those Jews...


I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such A-
holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even 
predicted in the Bible?







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread Peter
Okay ;-)

--- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just
 come in your pure source, and all the impurities
 will simply go away. Just then you will be more
 happy and better in every way. Still there is time
 for that.
 
 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
  
  --- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   If someone is rejected, there is a reason for
 that,
   but that is not a reason for not coming in the
 Dome
   in this important time in world history.
   People who wants to do good will not think like
   that.
   Everyone who is invited is invited with good
 reason,
   and should come and do good for the world, not
   thinking about what small ego says, being afraid
 for
   his existence.
  
  Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original
  thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time
  ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this
 silly
  drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or
  something?). Next you'll be telling us that the
  pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt
 checks
  together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic
 outburst
  for the day! I can't stand these mood-making,
 Capital
  fops that have ruined the movement with there
  sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light
 tan
  suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting
 an
  original thought. The greatest irony is that you
 are
  MMY's curse and you don't even know it. 
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 babajii_99@ 
   wrote:
   
during the holocaust period:
For the goal of total and systematic;
Elimination of all European Jews, 
circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. 
R.G.
   
   
   I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding,
   according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason
   for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those
   Jewish people.  :(
  
  
  Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden of 
 those Jews...
 
 
 I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such
 A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even 
 predicted in the Bible?

Right, including hundreds of thousands of children
who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet.

I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful,
and offensive.







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[FairfieldLife] FISA (was Re: Something fishy)

2006-08-20 Thread Patrick Gillam
Judy, thanks for the Gonzales remarks. He does 
make the FISA process sound prolonged and 
complicated. I wonder how long it really takes? 

Notice he omitted giving any kind of concrete 
example, such as, The FISA process may take a 
week, but the intelligence we're seeking may only 
be available for a few hours over the next 24.
I wonder if he omitted metrics because he's a 
poor communicator, or he's obfuscating. I'm 
thinking both reasons apply.

The other element of his rationale is, they may 
not have good-enough evidence to get a FISA
warrant.

What do they do in Britain?

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  --- authfriend wrote:
  
   --- Gillam wrote:

What do the Bushies have against getting a court 
order under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance 
Act? In all the kerfuffle, I've yet to hear why they 
don't want to follow the process already set up 
for such stuff.
   
   They claim it takes too long, but that's a crock;
   they're explicitly allowed to wiretap without a
   warrant for 48 hours (or is it 72?) exactly so 
   that getting a warrant won't impede an urgent
   investigation.
  
  Does anybody here listen to Rush Limbaugh, watch 
  Fox news or indulge in other conservative media? 
  MDixon? Shemp? Do those news sources give a reason
  why the Bush administration doesn't want to follow
  the established system for wiretap warrants?
 
 Patrick, here it is from the horse's mouth, Attorney
 General Alberto Gonzales, in a speech at Georgetown
 University on January 24, 2006:
 
 ...I keep hearing, Why not FISA? Why didn't the President get orders 
 from the FISA court approving these N.S.A. intercepts of al-Qaeda 
 communications? We have to remember that we're talking about a 
 wartime foreign intelligence program. It is an early warning system 
 with only one purpose: to detect and prevent the next attack on the 
 United States from foreign agents hiding in our midst. It is 
 imperative for national security reasons that we can detect reliably, 
 immediately, and without delay whenever communications associated 
 with al-Qaeda enter or leave the United States. 
 
 Now, some have pointed to the provision in FISA that allows for so-
 called emergency authorizations of surveillance for 72 hours without 
 a court order. I think that there is a serious misconception about 
 these emergency authorizations. People should know that we do not 
 approve emergency authorizations without knowing that we will receive 
 court approval within 72 hours. FISA requires me, the Attorney 
 General, to determine in advance that a FISA application for that 
 particular intercept will be fully supported and will be approved by 
 the court before an emergency authorization may be granted. And that 
 review process itself can take precious time. 
 
 To initiate surveillance under a FISA emergency authorization, it is 
 not enough to rely on the best judgment of our intelligence officers 
 alone. Those intelligence officers would have to get the signoff of 
 lawyers at the N.S.A. that all provisions of FISA have been 
 satisfied. Then lawyers in the Department of Justice would have to be 
 similarly satisfied. And finally, as Attorney General, I would have 
 to be satisfied that the search meets the requirements of FISA. And 
 then we would have to be prepared to follow up with a full FISA 
 application within the 72 hours. 
 
 We all agree that there should be appropriate checks and balances on 
 our branches of government. The FISA process makes perfect sense in 
 almost all cases of foreign intelligence monitoring in the United 
 States. Although technology has changed dramatically since FISA was 
 enacted, FISA remains a vital tool in the war on terror and one that 
 we are using to its fullest and will continue to use against al-Qaeda 
 and other foreign threats. But as the President has explained, the 
 terrorist surveillance program operated by the N.S.A. requires a 
 maximum in speed and agility, since even a very short delay may make 
 the difference between success and failure in preventing the next 
 attack, and we cannot afford to fail. 
 
 http://mwcnews.net/content/view/4071/26/
 
 In other words: They don't want to have to worry
 about whether there is sufficient justification 
 to initiate a wiretap.
 
 
 
  
  I really need to get back to reading the Wall Street 
  Journal. I felt the journalism was quite objective, 
  perhaps a bit liberal, but the editorial page was a
  bracing dose of conservative Kool-Aid.
 








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Re: [FairfieldLife] FISA (was Re: Something fishy)

2006-08-20 Thread Peter
I wished someone had asked Gonzales why, if the
executive branch found FISA to be inadequate in
combating terrorism, they did not address this problem
to the legislative branch and seek modifications to
FISA or a wholey new court adequate to address these
needs?

--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Judy, thanks for the Gonzales remarks. He does 
 make the FISA process sound prolonged and 
 complicated. I wonder how long it really takes? 
 
 Notice he omitted giving any kind of concrete 
 example, such as, The FISA process may take a 
 week, but the intelligence we're seeking may only 
 be available for a few hours over the next 24.
 I wonder if he omitted metrics because he's a 
 poor communicator, or he's obfuscating. I'm 
 thinking both reasons apply.
 
 The other element of his rationale is, they may 
 not have good-enough evidence to get a FISA
 warrant.
 
 What do they do in Britain?
 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread Sal Sunshine
Are they still asking for it?


Sal


On Aug 20, 2006, at 8:13 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:

 Would you trust these people with your social security number?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?





on 8/20/06 6:13 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This implies that Maharishi does not know exactly what is going on, 
 which is a rather naive thought in my opinion. The destruction of 
 the Movement was obviously a willed and nesessary process. 

It least you acknowledge it has been destroyed. And why do you feel this was necessary?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?





on 8/20/06 8:08 AM, kenwoodfx at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your pure source, 
 and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then you will be more happy 
 and better in every way. Still there is time for that.

Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke... Luke... do not... do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father's fate you will. Luke, when gone am I... the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is... another... Sky... walker.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such
  A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even 
  predicted in the Bible?
 
 Right, including hundreds of thousands of children
 who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet.

What?! How can they refer to a singular noun Israel? 
At least the more likely antecedent should IMO be them.
Perhaps a native speaker of English perceives that 
differently...
I meant of course that Nazis were A-holes. But OTOH
those babies had been old enough several times to accumulate
enough bad karma to be treated like that. 
It's weird that many people seem to think the laws of karma
don't apply to Jews.

 
 I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful,
 and offensive.







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[FairfieldLife] FISA (was Re: Something fishy)

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Judy, thanks for the Gonzales remarks. He does 
 make the FISA process sound prolonged and 
 complicated. I wonder how long it really takes? 
 
 Notice he omitted giving any kind of concrete 
 example, such as, The FISA process may take a 
 week, but the intelligence we're seeking may only 
 be available for a few hours over the next 24.

Yup, good observation.  It probably does vary, but
I seriously doubt it takes a week if they've got a
hot one.  I mean, the whole point is to enable NSA
to start surveillance *immediately* on an emergency
basis.

 I wonder if he omitted metrics because he's a 
 poor communicator, or he's obfuscating. I'm 
 thinking both reasons apply.
 
 The other element of his rationale is, they may 
 not have good-enough evidence to get a FISA
 warrant.

Yeah, that's the one I'm betting on.  They don't
want to *have* to have good-enough evidence.  That's
what he's obfuscating.

His explanation sounds like pure rationalization to
me.  I'll bet the emergency authorization takes
virtually no time--after all, it's an emergency,
right?  If the grounds for the wiretap are iffy
enough to make people sit there and wrinkle their
brows and stroke their beards and consult back and
forth with their colleagues for a while before
giving approval, it can't be that much of an
emergency in the first place.

The whole thing just doesn't hold water.  It's
cobbled together as an excuse.  (And you're right,
Gonzales is a very poor communicator, which makes
him a lousy obfuscator as well.)

This is all part of Cheney's Unitary Executive
notion that he's been panting to implement from
the time when he was Ford's chief of staff.  It's
what he calls reclaiming executive authority,
or removing all restraints and checks and balances
on executive power.

It's a matter of principle with him; it's just
generally a Good Thing for the president to have
more power rather than less, so he doesn't really
feel there's any need to justify any of it--that's
merely an exercise for the record.

(Did you know Cheney's middle name was Bruce??)

 What do they do in Britain?

I'm trying to remember.  Their oversight isn't
judicial; authorization is done by one of the
ministries.  I don't recall reading that it's
significantly more or less restrictive than in
the U.S., but I really don't know the details.






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[FairfieldLife] FISA (was Re: Something fishy)

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wished someone had asked Gonzales why, if the
 executive branch found FISA to be inadequate in
 combating terrorism, they did not address this problem
 to the legislative branch and seek modifications to
 FISA or a wholey new court adequate to address these
 needs?

Heehee.  They did ask.  He said:  Well, we talked to
some members of Congress, and they said it would be
difficult, if not impossible, to get that additional
authority.  (I didn't put quotes around that because
I'm not positive it's a direct quote rather than a
paraphrase, but I read about it at the time, and that
certainly was the sense of what he said.)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
   
   I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were 
such
   A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even 
   predicted in the Bible?
  
  Right, including hundreds of thousands of children
  who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet.
 
 What?! How can they refer to a singular noun Israel? 
 At least the more likely antecedent should IMO be them.
 Perhaps a native speaker of English perceives that 
 differently...
 I meant of course that Nazis were A-holes. But OTOH
 those babies had been old enough several times to accumulate
 enough bad karma to be treated like that. 
 It's weird that many people seem to think the laws of karma
 don't apply to Jews.

In the first place, why do you assume they were
Jews in their past lives?

In the second place, not only is it none of our
damn business whether it was their karma or not,
we can't possibly know what was involved.  For
all we know, these were all very highly evolved
people who were on the verge of enlightenment who
had chosen one last really tough lifetime to get
rid of their remaining karma all at one go before
their final liberation.

What's appropriate for human beans is to mourn
the senseless slaughter of 6 million innocents
and do our damndest to keep it from happening
again, to anybody--period.

So you can take your despicable anti-Semitic 
speculations and stick 'em where the sun don't
shine.




 
  
  I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful,
  and offensive.
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 So you can take your despicable anti-Semitic 
 speculations and stick 'em where the sun don't
 shine.
 

OK then. No big deal!  :) 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  
  
  Well said!
  
  Yes, it is these horrible people that surround MMY and do NOT 
tell 
  him like it is that has destroyed the Movement.
  
  There are, indeed, MMY's curse.
 
 
 This implies that Maharishi does not know exactly what is going 
on, 







Yes.







 which is a rather naive thought in my opinion.







If you are a cultist, like yourself, who follows a guru as a divine 
perfect being, you would have to come to that conclusion.

I, on the other hand, am of the opinion that MMY is a man -- a fully 
enlightened man, who makes decisions and acts with the relative 
knowledge at his disposal.  yes, his action is performed in full 
accord with all the laws of nature, but they can be mistakes none-
the-less.  They can be actions that aren't the best choice of all 
actions available to do.

If he is not aware of certain things because those around him decide 
NOT to tell him, then, no, he doesn't know exactly what is going on.







 The destruction of 
 the Movement was obviously a willed and nesessary process.  





Do you feel, as I do then, that the Movement has, indeed, already 
met a slow yet obvious death?






  
  
  
  
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread chaim_laib
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your
pure source, and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then you
will be more happy and better in every way. Still there is time for that.

Kenwoodfx

The way you come across, though seemingly sweet, nice, concerned,
parental, is also sanctimonious, better-than, I have the answer and
you people are fallen creatures-however you want to word it. It is not
helpful. 

There are and have been many people who have given up many, many 
years of their adult lives livng life the TM/Maharishi way, and who
found that the intended result you speak of was not happening in their
lives and the longer they stayed invoved the worse their lives got. 

I'm sure you, and others, will have the party line answer for this
(unstressing). Give us credit for being adults and able to make up our
own minds based on our own experience in life.

Chaim Laib


 
 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
  
  --- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that,
   but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome
   in this important time in world history.
   People who wants to do good will not think like
   that.
   Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason,
   and should come and do good for the world, not
   thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for
   his existence.
  
  Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original
  thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time
  ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly
  drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or
  something?). Next you'll be telling us that the
  pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks
  together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst
  for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital
  fops that have ruined the movement with there
  sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan
  suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an
  original thought. The greatest irony is that you are
  MMY's curse and you don't even know it. 
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Would you trust these people with your social security number?
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
wrote:
  
  If the course office announces that their new policy is to ask 
  people to agree to do nothing other than Maharishi's techniques 
in 
  the dome, and that they won't concern themselves with anything 
 other 
  than that, I'll consider applying. 
 
 Rick, of course the 'guidelines' are in the crux of the community 
 problem here.  But also is that 'trust issue'.  I considered 
 applying to get back in to the domes for group program and see 
that 
 they wanted my soc. security number and a lot of personal 
 information to apply.  
 
 Are these people who you could trust with personal identification 
 information?  After reading the Kaplan threads here recently i 
don't 
 think so.  All the media is filled with warnings of scam and types 
 of identity thefts.  Should i trust the TMorg with personal 
 identification information anymore?  Look what they did to Earl.



Doug, you only have to worry if you've got alot of money!

If you're rich, stay away.



 
 -Doug in FF
 
  
  
   on 8/18/06 10:19 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
   
 Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at 
least 
  here in
 FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome 
programs.
 
 Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old 
guidelines 
  stand
 and have instead been enlarged to also include just 
regular 
  citizen
 sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy 
  saints and
 stuff.
 
 Any real progress on amending the participation 
guidelines 
 of 
  the
 TMorg with this new earnest initiative?

   
   At least once a day I get called or emailed or approached on 
the 
  street by
   people trying to get me to go to the dome. The person who 
called 
  last night
   said that the course office had encouraged everyone to call 
 their 
  friends,
   even people who previously had not been allowed in the dome, 
and 
  that ³only
   about 1% of the people are still being refused for personal 
  reasons.² If the
   course office announces that their new policy is to ask people 
 to 
  agree to
   do nothing other than Maharishi¹s techniques in the dome, and 
 that 
  they
   won¹t concern themselves with anything other than that, I¹ll 
  consider
   applying.
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz

2006-08-20 Thread Ingegerd

   You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly?
  
  I do not really care - I would not be let in even that I have 
not 
  seen other Gurus, but because I am an Independent TM-Teacher. I 
am 
  just fed up by the TBs that seems to be so devoted to MMY, and 
so 
  critical to everybody else. I think they should run when MMY 
asked 
  them to run - in that case to Fairfield. As far as I understand 
 this 
  course is for saving the world, not only America. or do they not 
  believe in MMY?
  
  Ingegerd
 
  Eh...did Maharishi invite eurpeans to the Invincible America 
course ?
 Ingegerd; do your homework.

As far as I have understood, he invites as many Sidhas as possible 
to do the Program together. It is a TM-Center in Oslo, that is 
encouraging all Sidhas to come and do the Program. If you do not 
feel going abroad, it goes a nice bus to that senter. They will 
probably be happy to see you.
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[FairfieldLife] FISA (was Re: Something fishy)

2006-08-20 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote:

 --- Peter wrote:
 
  I wished someone had asked Gonzales why, if the
  executive branch found FISA to be inadequate in
  combating terrorism, they did not address this problem
  to the legislative branch and seek modifications to
  FISA or a wholey new court adequate to address these
  needs?
 
 Heehee.  They did ask.  He said:  Well, we talked to
 some members of Congress, and they said it would be
 difficult, if not impossible, to get that additional
 authority.  (I didn't put quotes around that because
 I'm not positive it's a direct quote rather than a
 paraphrase, but I read about it at the time, and that
 certainly was the sense of what he said.)

The Bushies couldn't get a Republican Congress to 
grant the authority necessary for the Executive Branch 
to conduct its war on terror? I don't know whether to 
be aghast at the turf fight or happy to see the legislators
stop being tools.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread kenwoodfx



Nice post, Rick.All the best.Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:on 8/20/06 8:08 AM, kenwoodfx at [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote:   Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your pure source,   and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then you will be more happy   and better in every way. Still
 there is time for that.  Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke... Luke... do not... do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father's fate you will. Luke, when gone am I... the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is... another... Sky... walker.”  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread kenwoodfx



No, dear friend, I don`t think that you or anyone else here are fallen creatures.I have respect for your experiences, however they have been in the past.I just like that everyone who wants come in group flying in the Dome, because it is proven helpfull for collective and individual consciousness, but I also respect everyone who, for any reason, does not want.Everyone here is clever, and knows to choose what is best for him in each moment.I just like that everyone is happy and friendly to others.All the best.chaim_laib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:   Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your pure source, and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then you will be more happy and better in every way. Still there is time for that.  Kenwoodfx  The way you come across, though seemingly sweet, nice, concerned, parental, is also sanctimonious, better-than, I have the answer and you people are fallen creatures-however you want to word it. It is not helpful.   There are and have been many people who have given up many, many  years of their adult lives livng life the TM/Maharishi way, and who found that the intended result you speak of was not happening in their lives and the longer they stayed invoved the worse their lives got.   I'm sure you,
 and others, will have the party line answer for this (unstressing). Give us credit for being adults and able to make up our own minds based on our own experience in life.  Chaim Laib Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote:--- kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:   If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that,but that is not a reason for not coming in the Domein this important time in world history.People who wants to do good will not think likethat.Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason,and should come and do good for the world, notthinking about what small ego says, being afraid forhis existence.  Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original   thought. Seems
 like you lost your balls a long time   ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly   drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or   something?). Next you'll be telling us that the   pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks   together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst   for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital   fops that have ruined the movement with there   sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan   suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an   original thought. The greatest irony is that you are   MMY's curse and you don't even know it.   __   Do You Yahoo!?   Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:

 Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least 
 here 
   in 
 FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome 
programs.
 
 Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old 
guidelines 
 stand 
 and have instead been enlarged to also include just 
regular 
   citizen 
 sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy 
 saints 
   and 
 stuff.
 
 Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines 
 of the 
 TMorg with this new earnest initiative?  

Apparently not. Thats why we need to create new rules, a new 
   paradigm,
appropriate for the current times -- not the past command 
and 
   control
structures of kali-yuga.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/535780035

We can thrash about and gnash our teeth about how the TMO 
 should be
less anal, more humane, more accountable etc. Or we can do 
 something
mature and responsible about it.

Create our own foundation to: 

- Control donations, accountability and management of to any 
 ME or 
   TMO
project

- provide a power block to negotiate contracts and 
new rules 
 with
the TMO

- create new group-consciousness-for-peace facilities, 
 programs, 
   rules
(and perhaps worldwide synchtimes via wedsites, alerts, 
etc.)
   
   Your idealism comes forth (perhaps, haven't made up my mind 
 yet :-)) 
   as something good. But you miss one central point; what 
happens 
   within/outside the TMO, the effects, the frustration, the 
 success and 
   the failure is all Maharishis Lila.
   
   What is happening now is a great drama which Maharishi is 
   orchestrating. He is at the helm.
   
   Establishing a new organisation or foundation to try 
 to balance 
   this cosmic force, without that cosmic intelligence, will, I'm 
 sorry 
   to say, be a dry and fruitless matter.
  
  
  Isn't this Chopra's goal? He's rumored to be on the verge of 
 offring the sidhis instruction 
  anyway.
 
 
 I remember seeing his website about 5 years ago and he was 
offering 
 sidhis then.  I think also flying.

I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread kenwoodfx



Ingegerd, you already received the right instructions in your own language.Instructions in sanskrt were for those who spoke sanskrt in that time.Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit. Ingegerd 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Ingegerd, you already received the right instructions in your own 
language.
 Instructions in sanskrt were for those who spoke sanskrt in that 
time.
 
 Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:  
  
  I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit.
  Ingegerd

Well - I did not receive the Instructions in my own language - but 
in a third language.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread kenwoodfx


Altough you didn`t receive it in your own language, most important is
is that you have understood it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ 
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  Ingegerd, you already received the right instructions in your own 
 language.
  Instructions in sanskrt were for those who spoke sanskrt in that 
 time.
  
  Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ 
 wrote:  
   
   I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit.
   Ingegerd
 
 Well - I did not receive the Instructions in my own language - but 
 in a third language.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/19/06 6:58:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, you 
  think that a substantial number of Americans would respond in the negative to 
  this question?Does the President have the right to conduct 
  wiretaps in the war on terror as long as he follows the constitutionally 
  valid laws and procedures set by Congress?Yes, no, not 
  sure.What about to THIS question?SHOULD the President conduct 
  wiretaps in pursuit of the War on Terror as long as he follows the 
  constitutionally valid laws and procedures set by Congress?Yes, no, 
  not sure.

Presidents always have to follow the law. However the question is, is there 
any wiggle room in that law under extraordinary circumstances such as war. The 
presidential legal teams think there is. Remember Lincoln suspended Habius 
corpus, shut down the Maryland legislature and restricted free speech to some 
degree. FDR had people's mail censored and detained Japanese in internment 
camps. LBJ had mail censored coming from troops in Vietnam. And I'm certain 
there are many more examples of powers that presidents have been able to enact 
in times of war for national security.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/19/06 7:19:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Congress 
  has set up a law requiring him to get a warrant after-the-fact. Are you saying 
  that, in the day and age of instant communcations, the President doesn't 
  have to follow the law because Lincoln 
didn't?

No not at all. I'm saying if you read the law in question there sure seems 
to be a lot of wiggle room and if you bring in presidential war powers 
concerning national security that law may be obsolete. Bush is testing the law 
to see how the courts will rule. Notice while the lower court said it violated 
the constitution he doesn't have to stop because it is on appeal. Supreme court 
will make the final decision.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/19/06 7:20:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But if I 
  didn't try to clarify my position, then the person calling me a liar would be 
  perfectly justified in assuming I WAS lying. You, Barry and Shemp appear 
  to: enjoy lying, or enjoy bating Judy, or both.Otherwise, you'd 
  deal with her entirely differently.

I have more than adequately clarified everything I have said. I have yet to 
lie to anybodyin this forum. I have posted things, rarely in jest or 
fasiciously but I have neverout and out lied or tried to deceive anybody 
in this forum. As forJudy, I have never tried to bate her or pick on her 
or insult her although we usually disagree on things when it comes to politics. 
In fact I rarely take a hostile tone towards anyone on FFL. The only person I 
recall ever doing that with is Offworld and lonely after I got a little tired of 
his personal insults. I dished it back in his face and he shutup 
quickly. 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 Altough you didn`t receive it in your own language, most important 
is
 is that you have understood it.

As many sidhas and TM-Teachers I practised the technique very, very 
regular for 25 years,and then stopped. It did not feel right. And I 
think that it has something to do with the instructions or that 
somehing is lacking in the instructions. 
Ingegerd
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
 marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ 
  wrote:
  
   Ingegerd, you already received the right instructions in your 
own 
  language.
   Instructions in sanskrt were for those who spoke sanskrt in 
that 
  time.
   
   Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ 
  wrote:  

I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit.
Ingegerd
  
  Well - I did not receive the Instructions in my own language - 
but 
  in a third language.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/19/06 7:19:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Spair, I had no problem answering your poll. Your poll as I read it only 
asked about warrentless wire taps in general. Not about issues 
  of national   security involving foreign terrorists calling people 
  within the country.   funny, didn't see you answer 
  the poll.Obviously, you missed it. The 
  post may have been in response to something  Judy had said but it 
  answered the same issue.So, go back to the thread I started 
  called "New Poll" and answer the question. 

Ah Ok. your poll about Presidents obeying laws. I thought you were 
referring to the Democratic poll. Your own personal poll has just been 
answered in may last couple of posts.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Would you trust these people with your social security number?
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
  If the course office announces that their new policy is to ask 
  people to agree to do nothing other than Maharishi's techniques in 
  the dome, and that they won't concern themselves with anything 
 other 
  than that, I'll consider applying. 
 
 Rick, of course the 'guidelines' are in the crux of the community 
 problem here.  But also is that 'trust issue'.  I considered 
 applying to get back in to the domes for group program and see that 
 they wanted my soc. security number and a lot of personal 
 information to apply.  
 
 Are these people who you could trust with personal identification 
 information?  After reading the Kaplan threads here recently i don't 
 think so.  All the media is filled with warnings of scam and types 
 of identity thefts.  Should i trust the TMorg with personal 
 identification information anymore?  Look what they did to Earl.
 

While it used to be (and may still be) illegal to request social security 
numbers for ID 
purposes, I don't think it was identity theft that stung Earl Kaplan.

Sounds to me like someone needs to find excuses not to apply...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:58:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

So, you  think that a substantial number of Americans would respond in the 
negative to  
this question?

Does the President have the right to conduct  wiretaps in the war on terror 
as long as he 
follows the constitutionally  valid laws and procedures set by Congress?

Yes, no, not  sure.

What about to THIS question?

SHOULD the President conduct  wiretaps in pursuit of the War on Terror as 
long as he 
follows the  constitutionally valid laws and procedures set by Congress?

Yes, no,  not sure.



Presidents always have to follow the law. However the question is, is there  
any wiggle room in that law under extraordinary circumstances such as war. The 
 presidential legal teams think there is. Remember Lincoln suspended Habius  
corpus, shut down the Maryland legislature and restricted free speech to some  
degree. FDR had people's mail censored and detained Japanese in internment  
camps. LBJ had mail censored coming from troops in Vietnam. And I'm certain  
there are many more examples of powers that presidents have been able to enact 
 
in times of war for national security.

Lincoln was actually not as popular as the grade school history books 
like to make out.  The Japanese interments are still considered a bit 
over the top.  So was Wilson's ridiculous Sedition Act of 1918.  One 
guy got carted off to jail as he was turned in by his daughter for 
criticizing Wilson.  Now that is fascism plain and simple.   Fortunately 
Congress got rid of that law and the Espionage Act of 1917 after the 
war.  Some of the silliness of this administration remind me of these 
ridiculous laws.

I don't think many of us here are into conformism and also *always* 
question authority.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread kenwoodfx



Instructions are good, but people`s lives could, and should be better.Programme influence life, but life also influence programme.Better life, better programme, and vice versa.Don`t worry, be happy and live always good, and have a nice, blissful TM-Sidhi programme and Yogic Flying.Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "kenwoodfx" [EMAIL PROTECTED]..  wrote:   Altough you
 didn`t receive it in your own language, most important  is  is that you have understood it.  As many sidhas and TM-Teachers I practised the technique very, very  regular for 25 years,and then stopped. It did not feel right. And I  think that it has something to do with the instructions or that  somehing is lacking in the instructions.  Ingegerd  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"  marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@wrote:   Ingegerd, you already received the right instructions in your  ownlanguage.Instructions in sanskrt were for those who spoke sanskrt in  that  
  time.Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@wrote:I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit. Ingegerd  Well - I did not receive the Instructions in my own language -  butin a third language.   Ingegerd   -How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low  PC-to- Phonecall rates.  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 babajii_99@ 
   wrote:
   
during the holocaust period:
For the goal of total and systematic;
Elimination of all European Jews, 
circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. 
R.G.
   
   
   I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding,
   according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason
   for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those
   Jewish people.  :(
  
  
  Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden of 
 those Jews...
 
 
 I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such A-
 holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even 
 predicted in the Bible?


Yeah, but I was being ironic. Besides, most people think that the destruction 
happened 
ages ago, unless you're talking about some New Testament prophecy.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/19/06 7:56:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You, in 
  contrast, deliberately misrepresented a poll.As far as I'm concerned, that 
  was a lie.

I never misrepresented the poll. I simply sited the Washington Post poll 
dated May 11, 2006 which backed my statement that the majority of 
Americans support the NSA program which the poll said. You didn't like the 
questions and thought of the poll as flawed because the words *warrantless wire 
taps* were not used in the poll. Evidently the Washington Post thought exactly 
as I did and believes the poll significant otherwise they wouldn't have taken it 
or published it. There would have been no point in taking it and publishing it 
otherwise.
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[FairfieldLife] FISA (was Re: Something fishy)

2006-08-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wished someone had asked Gonzales why, if the
 executive branch found FISA to be inadequate in
 combating terrorism, they did not address this problem
 to the legislative branch and seek modifications to
 FISA or a wholey new court adequate to address these
 needs?

Because Bush is the Decider.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
   
   I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such
   A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even 
   predicted in the Bible?
  
  Right, including hundreds of thousands of children
  who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet.
 
 What?! How can they refer to a singular noun Israel? 
 At least the more likely antecedent should IMO be them.
 Perhaps a native speaker of English perceives that 
 differently...
 I meant of course that Nazis were A-holes. But OTOH
 those babies had been old enough several times to accumulate
 enough bad karma to be treated like that. 
 It's weird that many people seem to think the laws of karma
 don't apply to Jews.
 

See my remarks to Judy. If you want to speculate about your own past lives, 
that's one 
thing, but to speculate about the past lives of other people in this context is 
stupid. The 
Nazis chose to act the way they did. This wasn't some natural disaster with no 
direct 
connection to human actions. If the Nazis were the Instrument of Karma it was 
because 
they WANTED to be. 

  
  I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful,
  and offensive.
 








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Re: [FairfieldLife] FISA (was Re: Something fishy)

2006-08-20 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/20/06 2:44:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: I wished someone 
  had asked Gonzales why, if the executive branch found FISA to be 
  inadequate in combating terrorism, they did not address this 
  problem to the legislative branch and seek modifications to 
  FISA or a wholey new court adequate to address these 
  needs?Because Bush is the 
Decider.

Actually that is what the courts are for. If the courts decide that FISA 
needs to be overhauled again then the legislature will know exactly what needs 
to be done based on what the courts say.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
  babajii_99@ 
wrote:

 during the holocaust period:
 For the goal of total and systematic;
 Elimination of all European Jews, 
 circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. 
 R.G.


I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding,
according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason
for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those
Jewish people.  :(
   
   
   Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden of 
  those Jews...
  
  
  I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such
  A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even 
  predicted in the Bible?
 
 Right, including hundreds of thousands of children
 who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet.
 
 I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful,
 and offensive.


The first comment was mine and it was meant to be ironic/sarcastic. Assigning 
blame to 
the victims due to past-life transgression is futile at best, and reflects 
badly on the 
speaker. By that perspective, ALL events with no immediate cause are due to 
past-life 
issues. It isn't worth mentioning save as a personal joke (ie.e I really pissed 
off a powerful 
Chinese sorceror in my last life). 

That said, there was one Jewish scholar of the Very Old School of Judaism 
(which believes 
in reincarnation) who speculated that the Holocaust WAS due to past-life 
issues, but his 
reputation was ruined. REgardless of any validity of the issue, it's just not 
worth bringing 
up. This is the here-and-now and the Nazis certainly did not need to assume 
the karmic 
burden of the Jews. That is the NAZI'S problem. If there was such a burden, 
perhaps an 
earthquake would have done the job just as well, so it's not like the Nazis 
were the 
innocent tool of the Laws of Karma or something.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/19/06 7:19:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Congress  has set up a law requiring him to get a warrant
 after-the-fact. Are you saying that, in the day and age of
 instant communcations, the President doesn't have to follow 
 the law because Lincoln  didn't?
 
 
 
 
 No not at all. I'm saying if you read the law in question there 
 sure seems to be a lot of wiggle room and if you bring in 
 presidential war powers concerning national security that law may 
 be obsolete. Bush is testing the law  to see how the courts will 
 rule.

No, he isn't.  The administration fought tooth and
nail to *keep* it from being adjudicated in the first
place, and part of the case they eventually made to
the judge was that it should not be heard at all
because it concerned state secrets.  They also
argued that the plaintiffs (the ACLU, among others)
had no standing to sue.

 Notice while the lower court said it violated  the 
 constitution he doesn't have to stop because it is
 on appeal.

Notice that what *actually* happened was that Judge
Taylor (who wrote the ruling) will rule September 7
on a request to allow warrantless wiretapping to
continue during the appeal; the Justice Department
and the plaintiffs *agreed* that it could continue
until the judge ruled.

 Supreme court will make the final decision.

Assuming the appeals court decision is appealed,
you mean.

Actually, the Supreme Court will make the 
decision as to whether it wants to hear the case.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/19/06 6:58:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 So, you  think that a substantial number of Americans would respond in the 
 negative to  
 this question?
 
 Does the President have the right to conduct  wiretaps in the war on terror 
 as long as he 
 follows the constitutionally  valid laws and procedures set by Congress?
 
 Yes, no, not  sure.
 
 What about to THIS question?
 
 SHOULD the President conduct  wiretaps in pursuit of the War on Terror as 
 long as he 
 follows the  constitutionally valid laws and procedures set by Congress?
 
 Yes, no,  not sure.
 
 
 
 Presidents always have to follow the law. However the question is, is there  
 any wiggle room in that law under extraordinary circumstances such as war. 
 The 
  presidential legal teams think there is. Remember Lincoln suspended Habius  
 corpus, shut down the Maryland legislature and restricted free speech to some 
  
 degree. FDR had people's mail censored and detained Japanese in internment  
 camps. LBJ had mail censored coming from troops in Vietnam. And I'm certain  
 there are many more examples of powers that presidents have been able to 
 enact  
 in times of war for national security.


Is there a compelling rason for Bush NOT to comply with the law in this 
particular case?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/19/06 7:56:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 You, in  contrast, deliberately misrepresented a poll.
 As far as I'm concerned, that  was a lie.
 
 
 
 I never misrepresented the poll. I simply sited the Washington Post poll  
 dated May 11, 2006 which backed my  statement that the majority of  Americans 
 support the NSA program which the poll said. You didn't like the  questions 
 and 
 thought of the poll as flawed because the words *warrantless wire  taps* were 
 not used in the poll. Evidently the Washington Post thought exactly  as I did 
 and believes the poll significant otherwise they wouldn't have taken it  or 
 published it. There would have been no point in taking it and publishing it  
 otherwise.


IF it is the poll I am thinking of, it was done by ABC/Fox News, not the 
Washington Post.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread chaim_laib
http://tinyurl.com/kgg4r

 Congress has put some other limits on the government's use of the
number. Most government agencies can ask for the number, but usually
only on a voluntary basis, and they're supposed to tell you when it's
voluntary. Only a few agencies can demand the number outright, most
notably the Internal Revenue Service.

The private sector, on the other hand, is free to demand the Social
Security number, whenever it wants do; a situation that sometimes
leads to a test of wills with customers




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  Would you trust these people with your social security number?
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
   If the course office announces that their new policy is to ask 
   people to agree to do nothing other than Maharishi's techniques in 
   the dome, and that they won't concern themselves with anything 
  other 
   than that, I'll consider applying. 
  
  Rick, of course the 'guidelines' are in the crux of the community 
  problem here.  But also is that 'trust issue'.  I considered 
  applying to get back in to the domes for group program and see that 
  they wanted my soc. security number and a lot of personal 
  information to apply.  
  
  Are these people who you could trust with personal identification 
  information?  After reading the Kaplan threads here recently i don't 
  think so.  All the media is filled with warnings of scam and types 
  of identity thefts.  Should i trust the TMorg with personal 
  identification information anymore?  Look what they did to Earl.
  
 
 While it used to be (and may still be) illegal to request social
security numbers for ID 
 purposes, I don't think it was identity theft that stung Earl Kaplan.
 
 Sounds to me like someone needs to find excuses not to apply...







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/20/06 2:53:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Is there a compelling rason for Bush NOT to comply with the law in this 
  particular case? 

I believe I addressed what reasons I've heard in an earlier post. There may 
be more I haven't heard.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/20/06 2:57:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I never 
  misrepresented the poll. I simply sited the Washington Post poll  
  dated May 11, 2006 which backed my statement that the majority of Americans 
   support the NSA program which the poll said. You didn't like the 
  questions and  thought of the poll as flawed because the words 
  *warrantless wire taps* were  not used in the poll. Evidently the 
  Washington Post thought exactly as I did  and believes the poll 
  significant otherwise they wouldn't have taken it or  published it. 
  There would have been no point in taking it and publishing it  
  otherwise.IF it is the poll I am thinking of, it was done by 
  ABC/Fox News, not the Washington Post.

We both stand corrected. It is Washington Post/ABC.Poll: 
Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts Read for your 
self.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/19/06 7:56:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 You, in  contrast, deliberately misrepresented a poll.
 As far as I'm concerned, that  was a lie.
 
 I never misrepresented the poll. I simply sited the Washington Post
 poll dated May 11, 2006 which backed my  statement that the 
 majority of  Americans support the NSA program which the poll said. 
 You didn't like the  questions and thought of the poll as flawed 
 because the words *warrantless wire  taps* were not used in the 
 poll.

No.  Here's what you said:

Most people want the current NSA program in place
and it is still going on while it is appealed.

That implies that what most people want is what is
being appealed.

That's the lie.

What is being appealed is WARRANTLESS wiretapping.

In all the polls that have asked specifically about
WARRANTLESS wiretapping, the majority has been
against it.

I responded:

  Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping.

And you lied again by citing the Washington Post
poll in your reply as if it had asked about WARRANTLESS
wiretapping.  But it did not, and you knew that.

 Evidently the Washington Post thought exactly  as I did

Yes, I'm sure it thought exactly as you did: Maybe
if we just ask about the NSA program in general, a
majority will support it, and then we can say A
majority supports the NSA program and people will
think that means they support WARRANTLESS wiretapping.

That's the same scam Bush's supporters, including
yourself, are running.

 and believes the poll significant otherwise they wouldn't have 
taken it  or 
 published it. There would have been no point in taking it and 
publishing it  
 otherwise.

I don't think anybody suggested they didn't think it
was significant.  Got any more straw men?

I never said the poll was flawed or that I didn't
like the questions, by the way, so that's *another*
two lies from you.  The poll was fine on its own terms
in measuring approval of the NSA program in general.

What was *not* fine was your misrepresentation of it
as supporting WARRANTLESS wiretapping, which it most
certainly did not.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister 
no_reply@ 
   wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
   babajii_99@ 
 wrote:
 
  during the holocaust period:
  For the goal of total and systematic;
  Elimination of all European Jews, 
  circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. 
  R.G.
 
 
 I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding,
 according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason
 for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those
 Jewish people.  :(

Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden
of those Jews...
   
   I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were 
   such A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel 
   even predicted in the Bible?
  
  Right, including hundreds of thousands of children
  who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet.
  
  I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful,
  and offensive.
 
 The first comment was mine and it was meant to be ironic/sarcastic.

I know.  I was responding specifically to cardemeister,
not you.

 Assigning blame to the victims due to past-life transgression is 
 futile at best, and reflects badly on the speaker.

Total agreement.

 By that perspective, ALL events with no immediate cause are due to 
 past-life issues. It isn't worth mentioning save as a personal joke 
 (ie.e I really pissed off a powerful Chinese sorceror in my last 
 life). 
 
 That said, there was one Jewish scholar of the Very Old School of 
 Judaism (which believes in reincarnation) who speculated that the 
 Holocaust WAS due to past-life issues, but his reputation was 
 ruined.

As it should have been.

 REgardless of any validity of the issue, it's just not 
 worth bringing up. This is the here-and-now and the Nazis certainly 
 did not need to assume the karmic burden of the Jews. That is the 
 NAZI'S problem. If there was such a burden, perhaps an earthquake 
 would have done the job just as well, so it's not like the Nazis 
 were the innocent tool of the Laws of Karma or something.

Well put.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Instructions are good, but people`s lives could, and should be 
better.
 Programme influence life, but life also influence programme.
 Better life, better programme, and vice versa.
 Don`t worry, be happy and live always good, and have a nice, 
blissful TM-Sidhi programme and Yogic Flying.

Thank you! I am very happy and have a good life - but it is always 
nice with good wishes.
Ingegerd
 
 Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:  --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   
   Altough you didn`t receive it in your own language, most 
important 
  is
   is that you have understood it.
  
  As many sidhas and TM-Teachers I practised the technique very, 
very 
  regular for 25 years,and then stopped. It did not feel right. And 
I 
  think that it has something to do with the instructions or that 
  somehing is lacking in the instructions. 
  Ingegerd
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
   marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ 
wrote:

 Ingegerd, you already received the right instructions in 
your 
  own 
language.
 Instructions in sanskrt were for those who spoke sanskrt in 
  that 
time.
 
 Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ 
wrote:  
  
  I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit.
  Ingegerd

Well - I did not receive the Instructions in my own language -
 
  but 
in a third language.
Ingegerd  
  
  
  

 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 IF it is the poll I am thinking of, it was done by ABC/Fox News,
 not the Washington Post.

No, it was a Washington Post/ABC News poll.

ABC and Fox don't do polls together, as far
as I know.






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[FairfieldLife] ONLY IN INDIA - Google Video

2006-08-20 Thread Rick Archer
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/20/06 2:53:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
 Is there a compelling rason for Bush NOT to comply with the law in 
 this particular case?
 
 I believe I addressed what reasons I've heard in an earlier post.

Not that I've seen, beyond the bogus claim that
getting a warrant involved silly red tape.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-20 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus





on 8/19/06 11:23 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's not even accurate. The reason some sidhas were
 called 'governors' was because they were supposed to
 'govern the trends of time' by flying, teaching, and
 representing the movement. Now that non-certified
 governors are allowed to do no more than the first of
 the three, they're not really governors anymore. It's
 just an empty title.
 
 It was always a fairly empty title. I'll have to admit when I first
 read this tagline it made me laugh alot. What's sad is that they would
 all be strung together Recertifying siddhas, call it a feeble
 attempt at humor, for now. 

When MMY was brainstorming on what to call the Governors of the Age of Enlightenment, someone suggested the title Ambassadors. He said well save that title for when we start visiting other planets. (or so the story goes  I think I was there but my memorys fuzzy on this one.)

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[FairfieldLife] Movie: 'Into Great Silence'

2006-08-20 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Movie: 'Into Great Silence'





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WATCHING SILENCE
By Carol Ann Raphael
WIE Issue 33
June-August 2006

http://www.wie.org/j33/watching-silence.asp

There's a buzz in Germany about a movie in which there are barely two
minutes of dialogue, no interviews, no voice-overs, no archival footage, and
no sound track. In other words, a silent movie. Or, more accurately, a movie
about silence.

For nearly three hours, Into Great Silence, directed by Philip Groening,
tracks the lives of resident monks in one of the most ascetic monasteries in
Roman Catholicism, the Grande Chartreuse. The mother house of the strict
Carthusian Order, it was founded nearly one thousand years ago in the French
Alps between Grenoble and Chambry, and little has changed since then. The
monks carry out their days in almost complete isolation and silence, each
inhabiting a two-story cell where he works, prays, eats alone, and sleeps on
a straw bed. The monks leave their cells only three times every twenty-four
hours to journey down the corridor to the chapel.

This makes for a film of startling simplicity and unusual concentration. The
tolling of the bells announces each activity during the tightly structured
day: 8:00pm bedtime, 11:30pm rise for prayer, 12:15am lauds and matins in
the chapel for two to three hours, 6:30am rise, 7:00am prayer, and so on
throughout the day. A single meal is delivered at midday. There is never a
full night of sleep. There is no free time. And there is no fear, according
to the filmmaker who shared the monks' rigorous life over a period of six
months to make his documentary of this world set apart.

Into Great Silence has become a cult phenomenon in Groening's native
Germany, filling theaters and climbing the box office charts since its
premiere in November 2005 to reach the rank of fifteen in movie attendance.
That's a remarkable achievement for a film in which virtually nothing
happens. It was awarded the World Cinema Special Jury Prize in the
documentary category at the prestigious Sundance Film Festival, and
distributors are quickly acquiring the rights to show it in other European
countries and in North America.

What's attracting these audiences? Unlikely that it's nostalgia for the
early days of silent film. Nor does the memory of Andy Warhol's deathly
boring eight hours of the Empire State Building seen from a single point of
view seem likely to ignite enthusiasm in today's sophisticated cinema buffs.
Could it be something akin to a recent trend to convert monasteries into
chic hotels that has been sweeping through Italy, or the popularity of
staying at convents instead of equally pricey hotels? That too is doubtful,
since the preference for cloistered accommodations probably reveals more
about the skill and ingenuity of marketers than it does about any real
desire on travelers' part to experience a medieval way of life.

Groening explains that he originally wanted to make a movie about the
present moment, about that single moment of time that is always now. Only
later did he realize that he could do this by documenting life in a
monastery, a place where one's relationship to time is completely altered.
As he put it, What is time for someone who knows that he will never leave
this building, this cell? After waiting sixteen years to be granted
permission to enter the remote world of the Grande Chartreuse, he moved into
one of the cells, participated in all aspects of monastic life, and shot his
film in the two to three hours allotted each day for labor. He worked
entirely on his own, with no artificial lights, no crew, nothing
superfluous.

Reviewers are praising the film's poetic vision, magnificent austerity,
visual splendor, and what one critic referred to as nearly tactile sound.
When all one hears is the occasional rustling of cloth or opening of a door,
the quality of sound is essential to revealing the pervasive silence in
which the monks conduct their lives. Some have commented that the film
becomes a literal extension of the monastery and that the theater itself
embodies monastic space. It's this sense of hermetic time, of the eternal,
that Into Great Silence seems to be offering moviegoers -- a view into a
world where the present moment is all there is.

The recognition that solitude may have a beneficial, even vital function in
our busy contemporary lives is beginning to surface in other places as well.
A recent internet buzz was created when a University of California
neurobiologist named Leo Chalupa proposed a national day of absolute
solitude. Chalupa believes an entire day spent without verbal exchange of
any kind with another person would be the best antidote for our overtaxed,
overstuffed brains and the ideal way to attain optimal brain performance.

A researcher at the University of British Columbia has come to similar
conclusions. Psychologist Peter Suedfeld found 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/19/06 7:20:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 But if I  didn't try to clarify my position, then the person 
 calling me a liar would be  perfectly justified in assuming
 I WAS lying. You, Barry and Shemp appear  to: enjoy lying,
 or enjoy bating Judy, or both.
 
 Otherwise, you'd  deal with her entirely differently.
 
 I have more than adequately clarified everything I have said. I 
 have yet to lie to anybody in this forum. I have posted things, 
 rarely in jest or fasiciously but I have never out and out lied or 
 tried to deceive anybody  in this forum. As for Judy, I have never 
 tried to bate her or pick on her  or insult her although we usually 
 disagree on things when it comes to politics.

FWIW, while some of MDixon's arguments have been
what I'd call extremely dodgy, I've never known
him to outright lie before this time.  And he *has*
been generally courteous to me.  It would never occur
to me to think he was baiting or picking on me.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: ONLY IN INDIA - Google Video

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2063667852598904740hl=en

Hilarious!

(It is sped up just a bit, though.)

There's a movement among some city planners and
traffic engineers to do away with all traffic
signals, stop lights, pedestrian crossings, and
so on, at least in certain areas; they've tried it
in a couple of places, and after a period of
adjustment, it works beautifully and *reduces* the
number of accidents--because everybody has to keep
their wits about them and be aware of where
everybody else is and what they're doing.

This video looks like the ultimate test of such
a system...

I can't understand, though, why so many of them
are making U-turns!







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister 
no_reply@ 
   wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
   babajii_99@ 
 wrote:
 
  during the holocaust period:
  For the goal of total and systematic;
  Elimination of all European Jews, 
  circa. 20th century. 1933-1945. 
  R.G.
 
 
 I'm sorry to say this, but in my understanding,
 according to the Bhagavad-giitaa, the only reason
 for that must've been the collective(?) karma of those
 Jewish people.  :(


Very kind of the Nazis to decide to assume the karmic burden 
of 
   those Jews...
   
   
   I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were 
such
   A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even 
   predicted in the Bible?
  
  Right, including hundreds of thousands of children
  who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet.
  
  I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful,
  and offensive.
 
 
 The first comment was mine and it was meant to be ironic/sarcastic. 
Assigning blame to 
 the victims due to past-life transgression is futile at best, and 
reflects badly on the 
 speaker. By that perspective, ALL events with no immediate cause 
are due to past-life 
 issues. It isn't worth mentioning save as a personal joke (ie.e I 
really pissed off a powerful 
 Chinese sorceror in my last life). 
 
 That said, there was one Jewish scholar of the Very Old School of 
Judaism (which believes 
 in reincarnation) who speculated that the Holocaust WAS due to past-
life issues, but his 
 reputation was ruined. REgardless of any validity of the issue, 
it's just not worth bringing 
 up. This is the here-and-now and the Nazis certainly did not need 
to assume the karmic 
 burden of the Jews. That is the NAZI'S problem. If there was such 
a burden, perhaps an 
 earthquake would have done the job just as well, so it's not like 
the Nazis were the 
 innocent tool of the Laws of Karma or something.


Can't resist:

http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment3/comm_vol18/htm/vii.xii.htm

 That the Jews then might know that they were chastised by God's hand 
and by his just vengeance, it was necessary that this should have 
been declared to them: and therefore he speaks now of the Chaldeans 
and then of God himself, whose agents the Chaldeans were, for they 
were guided by his hand. He said before, Will iron break the iron 
from the north? This we, have explained of the Chaldeans: but now he 
turns to God himself, the author of the calamity brought on the Jews: 
for the Chaldeans could have done nothing, except through his 
guidance and direction.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
snip
 This is the here-and-now and the Nazis certainly did not need 
 to assume the karmic 
  burden of the Jews. That is the NAZI'S problem. If there was 
such 
 a burden, perhaps an 
  earthquake would have done the job just as well, so it's not like 
 the Nazis were the 
  innocent tool of the Laws of Karma or something.
 
 
 Can't resist:
 
 http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment3/comm_vol18/htm/vii.xii.htm
 
  That the Jews then might know that they were chastised by God's 
 hand and by his just vengeance, it was necessary that this should 
 have been declared to them: and therefore he speaks now of the 
 Chaldeans and then of God himself, whose agents the Chaldeans were, 
 for they were guided by his hand. He said before, Will iron break 
 the iron from the north? This we, have explained of the Chaldeans: 
 but now he turns to God himself, the author of the calamity brought 
 on the Jews: for the Chaldeans could have done nothing, except 
 through his guidance and direction.

Commentary on Jeremiah 14:15 by John Calvin.

And in any case, an obvious non sequitur in this
context.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-20 Thread curtisdeltablues
There was an Ambassador's course held in Thailand (in the late 70's?)
for big bucks.  I guess they dropped that name after a while but there
were Ambassadors running around for a while.


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   It's not even accurate. The reason some sidhas were
   called 'governors' was because they were supposed to
   'govern the trends of time' by flying, teaching, and
   representing the movement. Now that non-certified
   governors are allowed to do no more than the first of
   the three, they're not really governors anymore. It's
   just an empty title.
   
   It was always a fairly empty title. I'll have to admit when I first
   read this tagline it made me laugh alot. What's sad is that
they would
   all be strung together Recertifying siddhas, call it a feeble
   attempt at humor, for now.
  
 When MMY was brainstorming on what to call the Governors of the Age of
 Enlightenment, someone suggested the title ³Ambassadors.² He said
we¹ll save
 that title for when we start visiting other planets. (or so the
story goes ­
 I think I was there but my memory¹s fuzzy on this one.)







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Movie: 'Into Great Silence'

2006-08-20 Thread Sal Sunshine
I agree with this.  On one of the AoL courses that's what we did, for 
the whole course.  At first I thought it would require a major effort, 
but it didn't at all--in fact, it was a welcome relief not to have to 
constantly relate verbally to others.  Sort of like a fast, only of the 
mind.

Sal


On Aug 20, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

 Chalupa believes an entire day spent without verbal exchange of
  any kind with another person would be the best antidote for our 
 overtaxed,
  overstuffed brains and the ideal way to attain optimal brain 
 performance.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread curtisdeltablues
Nicely said Chaim Laib.


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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote:
 
  Mistakes you make, wrong words, wrong thinking. Just come in your
 pure source, and all the impurities will simply go away. Just then you
 will be more happy and better in every way. Still there is time for
that.
 
 Kenwoodfx
 
 The way you come across, though seemingly sweet, nice, concerned,
 parental, is also sanctimonious, better-than, I have the answer and
 you people are fallen creatures-however you want to word it. It is not
 helpful. 
 
 There are and have been many people who have given up many, many 
 years of their adult lives livng life the TM/Maharishi way, and who
 found that the intended result you speak of was not happening in their
 lives and the longer they stayed invoved the worse their lives got. 
 
 I'm sure you, and others, will have the party line answer for this
 (unstressing). Give us credit for being adults and able to make up our
 own minds based on our own experience in life.
 
 Chaim Laib
 
 
  
  Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:  
   
   --- kenwoodfx kenwoodfx@ wrote:
   
If someone is rejected, there is a reason for that,
but that is not a reason for not coming in the Dome
in this important time in world history.
People who wants to do good will not think like
that.
Everyone who is invited is invited with good reason,
and should come and do good for the world, not
thinking about what small ego says, being afraid for
his existence.
   
   Ken ,you mood making twit. Do you have an original
   thought. Seems like you lost your balls a long time
   ago. How's your yoni? MMY has been beating this silly
   drum for decades (are you new canon fodder or
   something?). Next you'll be telling us that the
   pundits will come if we just squeeze our butt checks
   together hard enough. Ahh. Wonderful rajasic outburst
   for the day! I can't stand these mood-making, Capital
   fops that have ruined the movement with there
   sing-songy little girl voices wearing their light tan
   suits and so terrified of aggression or asserting an
   original thought. The greatest irony is that you are
   MMY's curse and you don't even know it. 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: ONLY IN INDIA - Google Video

2006-08-20 Thread curtisdeltablues
That was really cool!  



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 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2063667852598904740hl=en








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[FairfieldLife] 'Last Axis of Evil Could Create Decent Buffer Zone'

2006-08-20 Thread Robert Gimbel



I feel that collectively, Germany, Italy, and Japan, could create a good buffer zone;  In Lebanon; as well as paying back action taken in the last world war;  These would be country's that have alonghistory of having an integrated and tough military..  As well as and almost artisticinterpretation of tactical warfare.  These old cultures can use their former military might, now to bring peace.  I only think it's right.  Italy, Germany  Japan: Peacemakers with Ancient Military Might?  R.G. Seattle. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ONLY IN INDIA - Google Video

2006-08-20 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ONLY IN INDIA - Google Video





on 8/20/06 3:49 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can't understand, though, why so many of them
 are making U-turns!

Probably because theres a median divider, and if they want to get to a shop on the other side, they have to drive past it, make a U-turn, and come back to it.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  Would you trust these people with your social security number?
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
   If the course office announces that their new policy is to ask 
   people to agree to do nothing other than Maharishi's techniques in 
   the dome, and that they won't concern themselves with anything 
  other 
   than that, I'll consider applying. 
  
  Rick, of course the 'guidelines' are in the crux of the community 
  problem here.  But also is that 'trust issue'.  I considered 
  applying to get back in to the domes for group program and see that 
  they wanted my soc. security number and a lot of personal 
  information to apply.  
  
  Are these people who you could trust with personal identification 
  information?  After reading the Kaplan threads here recently i don't 
  think so.  All the media is filled with warnings of scam and types 
  of identity thefts.  Should i trust the TMorg with personal 
  identification information anymore?  Look what they did to Earl.
  
 
 While it used to be (and may still be) illegal to request social
security numbers for ID 
 purposes, I don't think it was identity theft that stung Earl Kaplan.
 
 Sounds to me like someone needs to find excuses not to apply...

DB ?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ONLY IN INDIA - Google Video

2006-08-20 Thread Peter
It really is incredible. No outside regulation;
everyone's on their toes and very alert. It reminds me
of riding a fixed gear bicycle in NYC against traffic
during rush hour!

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 That was really cool!  
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-20 Thread shempmcgurk
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  Ingegerd, you already received the right instructions in your 
own 
 language.
  Instructions in sanskrt were for those who spoke sanskrt in that 
 time.
  
  Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ 
 wrote:  
   
   I hope he will give the right instructions - in sanskrit.
   Ingegerd
 
 Well - I did not receive the Instructions in my own language - but 
 in a third language.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/19/06 6:58:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 So, you  think that a substantial number of Americans would 
respond in the 
 negative to  
 this question?
 
 Does the President have the right to conduct  wiretaps in the war 
on terror 
 as long as he 
 follows the constitutionally  valid laws and procedures set by 
Congress?
 
 Yes, no, not  sure.
 
 What about to THIS question?
 
 SHOULD the President conduct  wiretaps in pursuit of the War on 
Terror as 
 long as he 
 follows the  constitutionally valid laws and procedures set by 
Congress?
 
 Yes, no,  not sure.
 
 
 
 Presidents always have to follow the law. However the question is, 
is there  
 any wiggle room in that law under extraordinary circumstances such 
as war. The 
  presidential legal teams think there is. Remember Lincoln 
suspended Habius  
 corpus, shut down the Maryland legislature and restricted free 
speech to some  
 degree. FDR had people's mail censored and detained Japanese in 
internment  
 camps. LBJ had mail censored coming from troops in Vietnam. And 
I'm certain  
 there are many more examples of powers that presidents have been 
able to enact  
 in times of war for national security.



...and some presidents got blow jobs from interns in the Oval Office.

What?  You're saying that's a non sequitur?  Well, of course it is.

But I thought it was a funny thing to bring into the debate anyways.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  

I think Jehova chose them to punish Israel, because they were such
A-holes, or stuff. Wasn't that near destruction of Israel even 
predicted in the Bible?
   
   Right, including hundreds of thousands of children
   who weren't old enough to have become A-holes yet.
  
  What?! How can they refer to a singular noun Israel? 
  At least the more likely antecedent should IMO be them.
  Perhaps a native speaker of English perceives that 
  differently...
  I meant of course that Nazis were A-holes. But OTOH
  those babies had been old enough several times to accumulate
  enough bad karma to be treated like that. 
  It's weird that many people seem to think the laws of karma
  don't apply to Jews.
  
 
 See my remarks to Judy. If you want to speculate about your own past
lives, that's one 
 thing, but to speculate about the past lives of other people in this
context is stupid. The 
 Nazis chose to act the way they did. This wasn't some natural
disaster with no direct 
 connection to human actions. If the Nazis were the Instrument of
Karma it was because 
 they WANTED to be. 

Bingo! Excellent point!

JohnY


 
   
   I find your comments thoroughly disgusting, disgraceful,
   and offensive.
  
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: ONLY IN INDIA - Google Video

2006-08-20 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-
2063667852598904740hl=en
 
 Hilarious!
 
 (It is sped up just a bit, though.)
 
 There's a movement among some city planners and
 traffic engineers to do away with all traffic
 signals, stop lights, pedestrian crossings, and
 so on, at least in certain areas; they've tried it
 in a couple of places, and after a period of
 adjustment, it works beautifully and *reduces* the
 number of accidents--because everybody has to keep
 their wits about them and be aware of where
 everybody else is and what they're doing.
 
 This video looks like the ultimate test of such
 a system...
 
 I can't understand, though, why so many of them
 are making U-turns!




One of the comments below the video:

India has the highest death rate in the world from traffic 
accidents according to the World Health Organization. The rate is 
about 30-35 per 100,000 compared to 11-16 in the developed world. 
(REF:  http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/924156220X.pdf ). This 
is despite fewer miles driven, lower automobile ownership rates, 
slower speeds, and greater use of public transportation or walking 
than in developed countries. 





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[FairfieldLife] Free energy?

2006-08-20 Thread shempmcgurk
Scientists flock to test 'free energy' discovery 

David Smith
Sunday August 20, 2006
The Observer 


A man who claims to have developed a free energy technology which 
could power everything from mobile phones to cars has received more 
than 400 applications from scientists to test it.
Sean McCarthy says that no one was more sceptical than he when 
Steorn, his small hi-tech firm in Dublin, hit upon a way of 
generating clean, free and constant energy from the interaction of 
magnetic fields. 'It wasn't so much a Eureka moment as a get-back-in-
there-and-check-your-instruments moment, although in far more 
colourful language,' said McCarthy. But when he attempted to share 
his findings, he says, scientists either put the phone down on him 
or refused to endorse him publicly in case they damaged their 
academic reputations. So last week he took out a full-page advert in 
the Economist magazine, challenging the scientific community to 
examine his technology.

McCarthy claims it provides five times the amount of energy a mobile 
phone battery generates for the same size, and does not have to be 
recharged. Within 36 hours of his advert appearing he had been 
contacted by 420 scientists in Europe, America and Australia, and a 
further 4,606 people had registered to receive the results.








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[FairfieldLife] Yanks smarter than turkeys

2006-08-20 Thread bob_brigante
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/15/science/sciencespecial2/15evo.html






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[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev video

2006-08-20 Thread Paul Mason
http://video.google.com/videoplay?
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[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev video

2006-08-20 Thread Paul Mason
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Free energy?

2006-08-20 Thread qntmpkt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Thanks, the only problem wiith such plans is the magnetic field 
part (it takes energy to generate such a field); therefore, the net 
result is the same old story: balancing the emitted potential energy 
with the actual energy needed to get the contraption into operation. 
ener34reagach el

 Scientists flock to test 'free energy' discovery 
 
 David Smith
 Sunday August 20, 2006
 The Observer 
 
 
 A man who claims to have developed a free energy technology which 
 could power everything from mobile phones to cars has received more 
 than 400 applications from scientists to test it.
 Sean McCarthy says that no one was more sceptical than he when 
 Steorn, his small hi-tech firm in Dublin, hit upon a way of 
 generating clean, free and constant energy from the interaction of 
 magnetic fields. 'It wasn't so much a Eureka moment as a get-back-
in-
 there-and-check-your-instruments moment, although in far more 
 colourful language,' said McCarthy. But when he attempted to share 
 his findings, he says, scientists either put the phone down on him 
 or refused to endorse him publicly in case they damaged their 
 academic reputations. So last week he took out a full-page advert 
in 
 the Economist magazine, challenging the scientific community to 
 examine his technology.
 
 McCarthy claims it provides five times the amount of energy a 
mobile 
 phone battery generates for the same size, and does not have to be 
 recharged. Within 36 hours of his advert appearing he had been 
 contacted by 420 scientists in Europe, America and Australia, and a 
 further 4,606 people had registered to receive the results.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- MDixon wrote:

 Presidents always have to follow the law. However the question is, is there  
 any wiggle room in that law under extraordinary circumstances such as war. 
 The 
  presidential legal teams think there is. Remember Lincoln suspended Habius  
 corpus, shut down the Maryland legislature and restricted free speech to some 
  
 degree. FDR had people's mail censored and detained Japanese in internment  
 camps. LBJ had mail censored coming from troops in Vietnam. And I'm certain  
 there are many more examples of powers that presidents have been able to 
 enact  
 in times of war for national security.

MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents 
as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they 
were. For example, I've encountered many citations of 
Lincoln suspending writs of habeas corpus, but not one 
citation has ever said, And history proves he was 
correct to do so. Same with FDR's internment of 
Japanese Americans.

If history teaches me anything from the above 
examples, it's that presidents take reprehensible 
actions under stress.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- MDixon wrote:
 
  Presidents always have to follow the law. However the question 
is, is there  
  any wiggle room in that law under extraordinary circumstances 
such as war. The 
   presidential legal teams think there is. Remember Lincoln 
suspended Habius  
  corpus, shut down the Maryland legislature and restricted free 
speech to some  
  degree. FDR had people's mail censored and detained Japanese in 
internment  
  camps. LBJ had mail censored coming from troops in Vietnam. And 
I'm certain  
  there are many more examples of powers that presidents have been 
able to enact  
  in times of war for national security.
 
 MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents 
 as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they 
 were. For example, I've encountered many citations of 
 Lincoln suspending writs of habeas corpus, but not one 
 citation has ever said, And history proves he was 
 correct to do so. Same with FDR's internment of 
 Japanese Americans.
 
 If history teaches me anything from the above 
 examples, it's that presidents take reprehensible 
 actions under stress.

Nixon did a whole lot of warrantless wiretapping,
so it should be OK for Bush to do it too, right?

Er, no.  That's why the FISA Act was passed in 1978,
to KEEP presidents from doing warrantless
wiretapping, to ensure they had no reason to say,
Well, gee, it was terribly urgent and a matter of
national security, and we just couldn't wait to 
get a warrant...







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free energy?

2006-08-20 Thread Peter
Yes, it does sound suspect, doesn't it?

--- qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
 Thanks, the only problem wiith such plans is the
 magnetic field 
 part (it takes energy to generate such a field);
 therefore, the net 
 result is the same old story: balancing the emitted
 potential energy 
 with the actual energy needed to get the contraption
 into operation. 
 ener34reagach el
 
  Scientists flock to test 'free energy' discovery 
  
  David Smith
  Sunday August 20, 2006
  The Observer 
  
  
  A man who claims to have developed a free energy
 technology which 
  could power everything from mobile phones to cars
 has received more 
  than 400 applications from scientists to test it.
  Sean McCarthy says that no one was more sceptical
 than he when 
  Steorn, his small hi-tech firm in Dublin, hit upon
 a way of 
  generating clean, free and constant energy from
 the interaction of 
  magnetic fields. 'It wasn't so much a Eureka
 moment as a get-back-
 in-
  there-and-check-your-instruments moment, although
 in far more 
  colourful language,' said McCarthy. But when he
 attempted to share 
  his findings, he says, scientists either put the
 phone down on him 
  or refused to endorse him publicly in case they
 damaged their 
  academic reputations. So last week he took out a
 full-page advert 
 in 
  the Economist magazine, challenging the scientific
 community to 
  examine his technology.
  
  McCarthy claims it provides five times the amount
 of energy a 
 mobile 
  phone battery generates for the same size, and
 does not have to be 
  recharged. Within 36 hours of his advert appearing
 he had been 
  contacted by 420 scientists in Europe, America and
 Australia, and a 
  further 4,606 people had registered to receive the
 results.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!

2006-08-20 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, shaantiH!





on 8/20/06 5:13 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nazis chose to act the way they did. This wasn't some natural
disaster with no direct 
 connection to human actions. If the Nazis were the Instrument of
Karma it was because 
 they WANTED to be. 

Bingo! Excellent point!

It may be someones karma to suffer, but we dont have to choose to deliver it to them. On the contrary, we can make it our karma to relieve them of suffering.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ONLY IN INDIA - Google Video

2006-08-20 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ONLY IN INDIA - Google Video





on 8/20/06 5:17 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It really is incredible. No outside regulation;
everyone's on their toes and very alert. It reminds me
of riding a fixed gear bicycle in NYC against traffic
during rush hour!

Ill bet accident rates are higher in India. When I was over there for the Vedic Science course, I saw several accidents. A bicyclist hit by a motorist. One day a bus crashed into an overhanging tree branch in front of the Indian Express building.


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