date:20061005

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  It's just something that happens, in my opinion, one
  of those games we play with ourselves as students.
  When trying to deal with a complex and very human
  teacher, students tend to project more-than-humanness
  onto him. Or her. Or them. It's Just What Happens.
 
 Good stuff- and moving beyond the projection on the teacher 
 of 'perfection', is attempting to answer one of my favorite questions, 
 What is humanness? Does it have any limits? After believing others to 
 be 'perfect', what legitimately are the boundaries of human 
 experience-
 Are there in fact boundaries to human experience?

I think there is one: Argue for your limitations,
and sure enough, they're yours.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil-Hatter Foolerly

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
   It's just something that happens, in my opinion, one
   of those games we play with ourselves as students.
   When trying to deal with a complex and very human
   teacher, students tend to project more-than-humanness
   onto him. Or her. Or them. It's Just What Happens.
  
  Good stuff- and moving beyond the projection on the teacher 
  of 'perfection', is attempting to answer one of my favorite 
questions, 
  What is humanness? Does it have any limits? After believing 
others to 
  be 'perfect', what legitimately are the boundaries of human 
  experience-
  Are there in fact boundaries to human experience?
 
 I think there is one: Argue for your limitations,
 and sure enough, they're yours.

Thought-stopper.









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[FairfieldLife] Aspergers' Syndrome Test

2006-10-05 Thread cardemaister


http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memory can be erased like a reformatted hard drive

2006-10-05 Thread cardemaister

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hutchinson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The SUNY Downstate researchers reported in the August 25 issue of 
 Source: SUNY Downstate Medical Center 
 Date: September 3, 2006 
  
 
 Scientists Discover Memory Molecule
 Scientists at SUNY Downstate Medical Center have discovered a 
 molecular mechanism that maintains memories in the brain. In an 
 article in Science magazine, they demonstrate that by inhibiting the 
 molecule they can erase long-term memories, much as you might erase a 
 computer disc.

- yogash citta-vRtti-nirodhaH: yoga [is] nirodha of citta-vRtti(s)
- one of the vRttis is smRti (memory)
- thus: yoga [is amongst other things] smRti-nirodha
- ergo: yoga [is amongst other things] wiping off of memory!

Naah, just kidding!  :)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil-Hatter Foolerly

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
It's just something that happens, in my opinion, one
of those games we play with ourselves as students.
When trying to deal with a complex and very human
teacher, students tend to project more-than-humanness
onto him. Or her. Or them. It's Just What Happens.
   
   Good stuff- and moving beyond the projection on the teacher 
   of 'perfection', is attempting to answer one of my favorite 
   questions, 
   What is humanness? Does it have any limits? After believing 
   others to 
   be 'perfect', what legitimately are the boundaries of human 
   experience-
   Are there in fact boundaries to human experience?
  
  I think there is one: Argue for your limitations,
  and sure enough, they're yours.
 
 Thought-stopper.

Quite honestly, I think *that's* a thought-stopper,
a way of avoiding dealing with what I said, and a
pretty classic way of arguing for your own limitations.

In my belief -- *and* in my experience -- the answer
to Jim's question is that there is NO limit to human 
experience. Anything one can imagine can be done, can 
be done. The issue is the breadth of one's imagination, 
and the accompanying down-to-the-core belief that the
thing really *can* be done. 

Those who cannot conceive of being able to have a
certain capacity can't. Simple as that. 

And, the corollary, those who *can* conceive of
having a certain capacity can, given that other 
conditions are fulfilled.

But without the precondition of believing it 
possible, the capacity is beyond them. It will 
stay beyond them as long as they do not believe 
it possible.

So, again, Argue for your limitations, and sure 
enough, they're yours.  You seem content with your
limitations...may they serve you well, and give you
any number of opportunities in the future to argue
for them and about them.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memory can be erased like a reformatted hard drive

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hutchinson 
 mdhutch999@ wrote:
 
  The SUNY Downstate researchers reported in the August 25 issue of 
  Source: SUNY Downstate Medical Center 
  Date: September 3, 2006 
   
  
  Scientists Discover Memory Molecule
  Scientists at SUNY Downstate Medical Center have discovered a 
  molecular mechanism that maintains memories in the brain. In an 
  article in Science magazine, they demonstrate that by inhibiting the 
  molecule they can erase long-term memories, much as you might erase a 
  computer disc.
 
 - yogash citta-vRtti-nirodhaH: yoga [is] nirodha of citta-vRtti(s)
 - one of the vRttis is smRti (memory)
 - thus: yoga [is amongst other things] smRti-nirodha
 - ergo: yoga [is amongst other things] wiping off of memory!
 
 Naah, just kidding!  :)


Only temporarily. However, the SEEDS of memory are roasted by samadhi, which 
takes care 
of the PTSD issues without erasing the actual memories themselves.

Typical high-tech quick-fix thing this.






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[FairfieldLife] L B's cell phone # ?

2006-10-05 Thread dhamiltony2k5

LB Shriver makes a FF living shuttling folks to the airport.  Any body 
know his cell number?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?

  Mike Hutchinson wrote:
 ColdBlueIce,  you come accross as so arrogant 

Namaste Sir Mike Ji
I must politely take excetion with your comment regarding,-
you come accross as so arrogant.
 
Simply because Vaj Ji posted spurious claims regarding a Goddess 
that simply can't be found. 
And i simply inquired where his information could be found.
And then Vaj Ji claims that this *Unfound Goddess* is some how 
involved in a cult that Adi Shankara founded, and is allegdly 
practised in Adi Shankar's mutts.

And, then Vaj Ji confused Buddhist / tantra contemplation 
practises of staring at yantras / mandalas with the Bhakti of Devi 
Tripurasundari at Kanchi Mutt. 
So i politely informed VajJi of the facts...
The two- Sri Chakra and sri yantra are not inter-related as in the 
way Vaj Ji has suggested.

Then i was kind enough to politely inform Vaj ji where he may find a 
living disciple (108 Swami Vishva HiteshJi Maharaj) of Sri Swami 
BrahmanandJi Sarasawti (refered here at ffl as Guru Dev).

 I don't think you would 
 be privy to any inner teachings,

Most respectfully Sir Mike, there are no inner teachings anywhere.
So i don't think the 3 of us.., you  me and Vaj Ji would be privy 
to them.., as they simply don't exist.

i am guessing here but the *Mistaken Subject* VajJi is *attempting* 
to write of is(i think)- *Guru Kripa*(or grace of the GuruJi).

Often times called inner teachings by us confused westerners.
 
Perhaps is was some of the first 19th century westerners that 
visited Ramakrishna Paramahan's ashram that recieved 
his blessing/Kripa that coined the term inner teachings. Fro 
example Annie Beasant and her Theosphy teaching.

Or, maybe it was some westerners trying to make $$$.$$ off an non-
existant concept.

The Guru Kripa is not an inner teaching. 

The process of Devotion/Bhakti is started by the *personal* 
Kripa/grace of a true GuruJi(as Ramakrishna Paramahans and Sri 
BrahmanandJi was).

The practise of Bhakti is *the same everywhere in India* the only 
difference is the chosen from of- Ishta Devata or Sakar Brahma or 
Divien Personal Form of God. 

The Bhakti is- Puja(Arti) and Homage(prayer) and RoopDhyana
(Heartfelt loving-rememberance of Divine Personal Form of God as i 
said before.

For Sri Adi Shankar it was Govinda(Sri Krishna) that is whay He 
composed 'Bhajo Govindam' (if you don't believe me the *google* it).

In the Kanchi mutt it is Devi Tripurasundari. 
For Sri Ramakrishna Paramahans it was Devi Kali.

For Sri Swami BrahmanandJi Saraswati its was- ??.. i asked and i was 
told it was a devotional secret. 
But from other eyewitness accounts that attended His satsangs it was 
said-, He was once sighted silently mouthing Om Namah Shiviya 
that according to Paul Mason (PremanandJi) who has intvestigated the 
matter. Now Om Namah Shiviya is as you are no doubt aware related 
to worship to God Shiva.

Now if Vaj Ji(or you) wants to find a true GuruJi and recieve His 
grace/Kripa who btw is said to have Sri BrahmanandJi's praksha(Light)
then i may politely suggest finding 108 Swami Vishva HiteshJi 
Maharaj in Corona, New York.

All the Best
Pranams
Stephen Perino
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 the space where they would go is 
 already filled with ego it would appear
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  --- rmy108 rmy108@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman
   no_reply@ 
   wrote:
   
  Vaj wrote:
  coldbluiceman wrote:
 
  Vaj wrote:
  Samaya Sri Vidya does not require any
  externally obvious signs.
 
  Namaste Vaj Ji,
  Please tell me what exactly are 
  the signs of Sri Vidya?
 
 External ritual.

Namaste Vaj ji

Please tell me of this external ritual?
For example puja?

 Samaya practice is internal 
(i.e. you might not necessarily see such  
 a practitioner doing anything obvious
   externally).

Please tell me is this samaya the same
   tm-samya?

   Not
  finding a secret practice on a web site
  is no indication that it is
  not practiced,
  nor should we be surprised it is not
   practiced
  everywhere.
 
  Maybe, but you insisted Sri Vidya 
  was practised by Adi Shankara
  and at His established mutts.
 
 You might want to look at 
 what I did originally say:

Ok.
 
 Sri Rajareshsvari is a form of
 the Goddess worshipped in Sri Vidya  
 and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas. 
 A very old pagan and  
 tantric Goddess. 

i must politely take exception with your
   statement.
As when i *google* your Rajareshsvari name i
   come with nothing!!

However if i *google* the name i told you-
   Tripurasundari i come 
with 16,000 sites related to Devi Tripurasundari
   
   http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=tripurasundari
Results 1 - 10 of about 16,000 for tripurasundari.
   (0.58 seconds

[FairfieldLife] Re: Memory can be erased like a reformatted hard drive

2006-10-05 Thread hermandan0

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hutchinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The SUNY Downstate researchers reported in the August 25 issue of 
 Source: SUNY Downstate Medical Center 
 Date: September 3, 2006 
  
 
 Scientists Discover Memory Molecule
 Scientists at SUNY Downstate Medical Center have discovered a 
 molecular mechanism that maintains memories in the brain. In an 
 article in Science magazine, they demonstrate that by inhibiting the 
 molecule they can erase long-term memories, much as you might erase a 
 computer disc.
sniP

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind anyone?
Life imitates art yet again.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil-Hatter Foolerly

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 jflanegi@ wrote:
snip
Good stuff- and moving beyond the projection on the teacher 
of 'perfection', is attempting to answer one of my favorite 
questions, What is humanness? Does it have any limits? After
believing others to be 'perfect', what legitimately are the 
boundaries of human experience-Are there in fact boundaries
to human experience?
   
   I think there is one: Argue for your limitations,
   and sure enough, they're yours.
  
  Thought-stopper.
 
 Quite honestly, I think *that's* a thought-stopper,
 a way of avoiding dealing with what I said, and a
 pretty classic way of arguing for your own limitations.

And that's *another* thought-stopper.

 In my belief -- *and* in my experience -- the answer
 to Jim's question is that there is NO limit to human 
 experience. Anything one can imagine can be done, can 
 be done. The issue is the breadth of one's imagination, 
 and the accompanying down-to-the-core belief that the
 thing really *can* be done. 

So why did you flee to France instead of sticking
around and fixing what you don't like about the U.S.?

Why haven't you become a famous writer, a literary
giant, a legend in your own time?

 Those who cannot conceive of being able to have a
 certain capacity can't. Simple as that. 
 
 And, the corollary, those who *can* conceive of
 having a certain capacity can, given that other 
 conditions are fulfilled.

Oh, wait, what other conditions?  Who's responsible
for fulfilling them?

Why don't you just conceive that you can fulfill
those conditions, and then proceed to fulfill them?

Let's start there.



 But without the precondition of believing it 
 possible, the capacity is beyond them. It will 
 stay beyond them as long as they do not believe 
 it possible.
 
 So, again, Argue for your limitations, and sure 
 enough, they're yours.  You seem content with your
 limitations...may they serve you well, and give you
 any number of opportunities in the future to argue
 for them and about them.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Mike Hutchinson wrote:
  ColdBlueIce,  you come accross as so arrogant 
 
 Namaste Sir Mike Ji
 I must politely take excetion with your comment regarding,-
 you come accross as so arrogant.
  
 Simply because Vaj Ji posted spurious claims regarding a Goddess 
 that simply can't be found. 

I think that what Mike might have been hinting at
was that it's not really the *details* of the
nitpicking that's arrogant, but the mere fact
that two grown men would get down and dirty playing
the my secret and esoteric information is better
than your secret and esoteric information game. 
All in all, pulling out a tape measure and 
comparing dicks would be a lot more subtle...  :-)

Ok, it's a *given* that most on-the-program TMers 
don't know a whole heckuva lot about the real roots
of their belief system. But hearing two people argue
about whose version of those roots is right is 
*just* as boring as hearing the TBs rant about
how the version they were told by Maharishi is
right. Basically it's a jackoff contest, and
in this particular instance, Vaj has been pretty
restrained and has kept his dick in his pants.
You're the one who seems to have his ego all
involved in being right.

Just a hint. You're coming across *remarkably*
like Judy, only quoting different authorities
in your quest to be right.







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[FairfieldLife] The Amish way

Amish prepare to bury shooting victims
By MICHAEL RUBINKAM, Associated Press Writer

As the Amish prepared to bury four young victims of a horrific school 
shooting, they asked to be allowed to do so in private.

National mourning of similar tragedies, such as the massacre at 
Columbine High School, has been enabled in part by media coverage  
something the Amish generally shun and specifically spurned in a 
statement Wednesday that pleaded for privacy.

Instead, the Amish are coping with the slayings by looking inward. 
They are relying on themselves and their faith, just as they have for 
centuries, to get them through what one Amish bishop called our 
9/11

The Amish say they are quietly accepting the deaths as God's will.

They know their children are going to heaven. They know their 
children are innocent ... and they know that they will join them in 
death, said Gertrude Huntington, a Michigan researcher who has 
written a book about children in Amish society.

The hurt is very great, Huntington said. But they don't balance 
the hurt with hate.

In just about any other community, a deadly school shooting would 
have brought demands from civic leaders for tighter gun laws and 
better security, and the victims' loved ones would have lashed out at 
the gunman's family or threatened to sue.

But that's not the Amish way.

In the aftermath of Monday's violence, the Amish have reached out to 
the family of the gunman, Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, who committed 
suicide during the attack in a one-room schoolhouse.

Dwight Lefever, a Roberts family spokesman, said an Amish neighbor 
comforted the Roberts family hours after the shooting and extended 
forgiveness to them. Among Roberts' survivors are his wife and three 
children

Roberts' relatives may even receive money from a fund established to 
help victims and their families, said Kevin King, executive director 
of Mennonite Disaster services, an agency managing the donations

Read more at Yahoo News:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Just a hint. You're coming across *remarkably*
 like Judy, only quoting different authorities
 in your quest to be right.

Amazing.

How does Barry manage to tie his shoes in the
morning?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memory can be erased like a reformatted hard drive

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hutchinson
 mdhutch999@ wrote:
 
  The SUNY Downstate researchers reported in the August 25 issue of 
  Source: SUNY Downstate Medical Center 
  Date: September 3, 2006 
   
  Scientists Discover Memory Molecule
  Scientists at SUNY Downstate Medical Center have discovered a 
  molecular mechanism that maintains memories in the brain. In an 
  article in Science magazine, they demonstrate that by inhibiting 
  the molecule they can erase long-term memories, much as you might 
  erase a computer disc.
 sniP
 
 Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind anyone?
 Life imitates art yet again.

This whole technology sounds a lot to me like 
people trying work with the human brain using
a hacksaw and a chisel for tools. I can't believe
that anything truly useful (not to mention safe)
can come of this.

However, I do have personal experience with drugs
that prevent short-term memory from forming, and
I can tell you that it's a really unsettling 
experience. I had to have a minor operation, the
kind where they push a tube with a videocam on 
it down your gullet and take photos along the
way. One has to be awake for the operation, and
being as weird as I am, I was actually looking
forward to watching my own innards, real-time.

But just before the operation started the doctor 
turned to me and said, I'm going to start this 
IV drip now. It's a sedative and a mild amnesiac. 

The next thing I knew, I was coming to in a 
recovery room, having had two hours of my life
*excised* from my brain. I was awake the whole
time; one has to be to help the physicians guide
the tube to the right places. But I have zero
memories of the entire event. It never happened
for me, subjectively.

I was really *pissed* at the doctor for not
telling me in advance he was going to give me
this drug, and thus offering me the choice of 
not taking it. I don't like folks messing with 
my brain. 

But having had my short-term memory effectively
erased, I can certainly believe that they could
come up with some drug that could do the same
thing for long-term memories. I just can't
believe that anyone would be so foolish as
to allow them to experiment on them, that's all.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil-Hatter Foolerly

  In my belief -- *and* in my experience -- the answer
  to Jim's question is that there is NO limit to human 
  experience. Anything one can imagine can be done, can 
  be done. The issue is the breadth of one's imagination, 
  and the accompanying down-to-the-core belief that the
  thing really *can* be done. 
 
 So why did you flee to France instead of sticking
 around and fixing what you don't like about the U.S.?
 
 Why haven't you become a famous writer, a literary
 giant, a legend in your own time?

Uh, I didn't *want* to do either of those things?  :-)

For the second, I've seen enough of fame to never
want it for myself. For the first, what is there
about America *worth* fixing? :-)
 
  Those who cannot conceive of being able to have a
  certain capacity can't. Simple as that. 
  
  And, the corollary, those who *can* conceive of
  having a certain capacity can, given that other 
  conditions are fulfilled.
 
 Oh, wait, what other conditions?  Who's responsible
 for fulfilling them?

You are, of course.

 Why don't you just conceive that you can fulfill
 those conditions, and then proceed to fulfill them?
 
 Let's start there.

There are techniques available for seeing into 
other dimensions or planes of awareness. If you 
don't believe that this is possible, you'll never 
avail yourself of those techniques. You have, in 
fact, disallowed the possibility of it ever 
happening, by arguing for your own limitations.

If, on the other hand, you firmly believe that it
is possible to do this, but don't know how, you 
still can't necessarily do it. Find out where the 
techniques are taught and learn them, and you can. 

But you don't really care about any of this. You
just want to argue. Go argue for your own 
limitations with someone who buys your story
that you didn't impose them on yourself.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's handpicked successor (Lawson's- Tired Old Anoop Chandola Story)

 sparaig spare egg/ Lawson English wrote:
  coldbluiceman wrote:
   sparaig sparaig/Lawson English wrote:
coldbluiceman wrote:
 sparaig spare egg/Lawson English wrote:
 Y'know, maybe I can't read the stilted 
 language of the Indian Courts properly, 
 or maybe I 
 simply can't understand your points 
(or both), 

Namaste Sir Lawson,
Then please allow to clarify, and give you the gest of the  
tired Old Anoop Chandola Story, 
and the fabrications of truth 
contained in Swami Shantanand's book
-'Om Sri Jyothirmath'.

First of all:
(1) Regarding the will of Sri BrahmanandJi. 
None of the civil lawsuits were framed
 around the vaildity of 
the will.
 ..Thus, none of the civil suits in 
this dispute seems to have been 
framed in terms of contesting the 
legal bona fides of Brahmananda's 
will...
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
   snip
   As I said, one of us is misreading 
   what the court has said...
 
 As I quoted to you twice from the
 higher court's summary, the lower court
 found that the 
 willl was valid... O well...

Namaste Sir Lawson,
The validity of the will means exactly this..
there were five names on a piece of paper that was *Published after 
Sri BrahmanandJi passed away*..,that is an *Undisputed Legal Fact* 
by the Lower Court and Supreme Court and by both parties-,
 the Resondent/Ramji Tripathi-Shantinand, and the Plaintiffs.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html

The plaintiffs in the court case suggested to the court the order 
had been reversed, as Swami Shantinand was the last choice and the 
poorest choice..,as it was *Factually Established* Shantinand/Ramji 
Tripathi could not comprehend nor read sanskrit
http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html
and - http://
www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20687.html

That being said lets, look again at the *Facts* that Sir LawsonJi 
continues to ignore(as that is afforded by *Blind Faith*).

It is a Historical Fact that Ramji Tripathi aka Swami Shantinand 
fabricated a story and published his *Om Sri Jyotirmath*.

Now my question to you- Sir Lawson Ji is..
 *Why was it nessaccary for Swami Shantanand to LIE about his 
past*??..
 And, what would motivate Swami Shantinand to *LIE*?...

(Although to his credit Swami Shantinand quit his charade and-, 
gave up this nonsense of claiming the title of Shankaracharya.)

Herewith are the *lIES* (and the facts you ignore)..
a. *legal Fact* the publication of the will, which surfaced weeks
after Sri BrahmanandJi's passing.
Inspite of Swami Shantanand's claim-,
  Item #1). A fully executed will of
  Sri BrahmanandJi was deposited in
  Allhalabad on December 18, 1952.
  (1st paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath')

b. Swami Shantinand was a poor choice because of the *Legal Fact* he
could not comprehend sanskrit nor the Vedas.
Inspite of Swami Shantinand's claim-,
  He was completely qualified the hold the
  seat as he was literate in
  Sanskrit and the Vedas.
  (2nd paragraph page 2 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath')

c. At issue was the fact that Swami Shantanand was installed in Sri
BrahmanandJi's gaddi by Brahmachari Mahesh and few friends that
thought the will could be credible. As, Dana Sawyer Professor of
Religion and Philoshpy at Maine College of Art has pointed out.
Inspite of Swami Shantinand's claim-,
  Item #2). He was installed in Varansi
  in the presence of hundreds of
  scholars from all over the country
 (2nd paragraph page 3 of 'Om Sri Jyothirmath')

d. At issue were the suspicious behavior and motivations of
Brahmachari Mahesh at about the time of Sri BrahmanandJi's passing.
..In fact, the earliest doubts about the will left by Brahmananda
Saraswati were linked to suspicion of the motives and actions of
Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh Brahmachari)...
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

e. From the Kropinski interview of Oct. 1986 with the *ONLY LEGIMATE 
LEGALLY RECOGNIZED* Shankaracharya of Jyosimutt.
 ...He said, word came to me that he (Shantinand) had 
requested to be allowed on the stage. I allowed him to be present 
only because he has given up this nonsense of claiming title to 
Shankaracharya.  
He said Vishnu Devanand, Mahesh's so-called 
Shankaracharya, was also here in Vrindaban, he also requested to 
come onto the stage, but I refused. Then, he (Vishnu Devanand) 
stated he would sit on a lower, undecorated seat if I allowed him to 
attend. I refused him. Then, he again begged to simply sit on the 
floor of the stage at my feet, if I allowed him to be publicly 
present. Again I refused. He said, if I allow him to be seen with 
me, and all the while wrongfully claiming title as Shankaracharya, 
it will appear as if I approve of his activity, and I do not. 
Therefore, he said, I have ordered that he may not even come into 
the tent to sit in the audience

[FairfieldLife] Real learning in a virtual world

2006-10-05 Thread new . morning


http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1005/p13s02-legn.html

They may be college teachers and students, but they're also pioneers -
exploring strange new worlds that exist nowhere on Earth. That's
because their classes and field trips take place only on computers,
using an online digital world called Second Life (http://secondlife.com/).

Some 60 schools and universities have set up shop inside Second Life -
most in the past year. They join a population that includes real-world
business people, politicians, entertainers, and more than 800,000
other residents of the virtual world.

For the first time this fall, a Harvard University class is meeting on
its own Berkman Island within Second Life (SL). Avatars, visual
images that represent the students and teachers, gather in an
outdoor amphitheater, head inside a virtual replica of Harvard Law
School's Austin Hall, and travel to complete assignments all over the
digital world. (If SL could be magically brought into the real
world, it would cover about 85 square miles.) 

http://secondlife.com/





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?

 TurquoiseB wrote:
  coldbluiceman wrote:
Mike Hutchinson wrote:
   ColdBlueIce,  you come accross as so arrogant 
  Namaste Sir Mike Ji
  I must politely take excetion with 
  your comment regarding,-
  you come accross as so arrogant.
  Simply because Vaj Ji posted spurious 
  claims regarding a Goddess 
  that simply can't be found. 
  And is some how involved in a cult that
  Adi Shankara founded, and is allegdly
  practised in Adi Shankar's mutts.
  And, then Vaj Ji confused Buddhist / 
  tantra contemplation practises of staring 
  at yantras / mandalas with the Bhakti of Devi
  Tripurasundari at Kanchi Mutt.
  So i politely informed VajJi of the facts...
  The two- Sri Chakra and sri yantra are 
  not inter-related as in the way 
  Vaj Ji has suggested.
  Then i was kind enough to politely informed
  Vaj ji where he may find a living disciple
  (108 Swami Vishva HiteshJi Maharaj) of 
  Sri Swami BrahmanandJi Sarasawti 
  (refered here at ffl as Guru Dev).

   I don't think you would
   be privy to any inner teachings,

  Most respectfully Sir Mike, there are 
  no inner teachings anywhere.
  So i don't think the 3 of us.., 
  you  me and Vaj Ji would be privy
  to them.., as they simply don't exist.
  i am guessing here but the *Mistaken Subject* 
  VajJi is *attempting* to write of is(i think)
  - *Guru Kripa*(or grace of the GuruJi).
  Often times called inner teachings 
  by us confused westerners.
  Perhaps is was some of the first 19th 
  century westerners that visited 
  Ramakrishna Paramahan's ashram that recieved
  his blessing/Kripa that coined the term
  inner teachings. For example Annie Beasant 
  and her Theosphy teaching.
  Or, maybe it was some westerners trying 
  to make $$$.$$ off an non-existant concept.
  The Guru Kripa is not an inner teaching.
  The process of Devotion/Bhakti is started by 
  the *personal* Kripa/grace of a true GuruJi
 (as Ramakrishna Paramahans and Sri BrahmanandJi was).
  The practise of Bhakti is *the same everywhere
  in India* the only difference is the chosen 
  from of- Ishta Devata or Sakar Brahma or
  Divine Personal Form of God.

  The Bhakti is- Puja(Arti) and Homage(prayer) 
  and RoopDhyana (Heartfelt loving-rememberance
  of Divine Personal Form of God)
  as i said before.

  For Sri Adi Shankar it was Govinda(Sri Krishna)
  that is whay He composed 'Bhajo Govindam' 
  (if you don't believe me the *google* it).

  In the Kanchi mutt it is Devi Tripurasundari.
  For Sri Ramakrishna Paramahans it was Devi Kali.

  For Sri Swami BrahmanandJi Saraswati its was-??.
  i asked, and i was told it was a devotional secret.
 But from other eyewitness accounts that 
  attended His satsangs it was
  said-, He was once sighted silently mouthing 
  Om Namah Shiviya
  that according to Paul Mason (PremanandJi) 
  who has intvestigated the matter.
  Now Om Namah Shiviya is as you are no 
  doubt aware related to worship of God Shiva.
  Now if Vaj Ji(or you) wants to find a true 
  GuruJi and recieve His grace/Kripa who btw
  is said to have Sri BrahmanandJi's praksha(Light)
  then i may politely suggest finding 
  108 Swami Vishva HiteshJi Maharaj 
  in Corona, New York.
  All the Best
  Pranams
  Stephen Perino
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I think that what Mike might have been hinting at
 was that it's not really the *details* of the
 nitpicking that's arrogant, but the mere fact
 that two grown men would get down and dirty playing
 the my secret and esoteric information is better
 than your secret and esoteric information game. 

Namaste TurquoiseB Ji,
i must politley take exception to your statement.
The facts that i was presenting proves there is not any such thing 
as you suggest-, my secret and esoteric information is better
than your secret and esoteric information.

There is *NOT* any secret estoteric information. 

If there is a secret then there is someone trying to $ell you 
something : ). 
For example Brahmachari Mahesh $elling mantras, and that is what got 
him run out of India in the place..., make sense??

 All in all, pulling out a tape measure and 
 comparing dicks would be a lot more subtle...  :-)
 
 Ok, it's a *given* that most on-the-program TMers 
 don't know a whole heckuva lot about the real roots
 of their belief system.

Agreed.

  But hearing two people argue
 about whose version of those roots is right is 
 *just* as boring as hearing the TBs rant about
 how the version they were told by Maharishi is
 right. Basically it's a jackoff contest, and
 in this particular instance, Vaj has been pretty
 restrained and has kept his dick in his pants.
 You're the one who seems to have his ego all
 involved in being right.

It is not a matter of being right. Its a matter of Vaj ji mis-
representing Adi Shankar's teaching. Which did not involve staring 
at yantras.

 
 Just a hint. You're coming across *remarkably*
 like Judy, only quoting different authorities
 in your quest to be right.

i am deeply sorry.., i thought Vaj Ji was quoting

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil-Hatter Foolerly

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
   
The pundits 
eventually WILL come to fairfield. I'm going to pass along 
my idea
   of billing them as 
entertainers, which may circumvent any norrmal visa issues. 
   
   Or maybe as congressional page candidates.
  
  
  Put them down as IIT grads and the US will pay them to come...
 
 
 Ah,  the good ole H1B visa issues.
 
 My favorite example of the corruption surrounding the program is 
when someone put 
 down on the application form that they were importing a bunch of 
computer programmers 
 from India and paying them $4.75/hour and they got approval from 
immigration...
 
 ...for those who don't know, H1B is a special program to bring in 
technical worker-
 immigrants because there are not enough of them in the USA. The 
law says that they 
 must be paid the prevailing US wage for the work that they are 
being asked to do in the 
 USA, which, for computer programmers, is apparently less-than 
minimum wage...

Many of them have now left the Bay Area and returned to India where 
they can be employed by US companies off-shoring the jobs they used 
to have here...Seems like a more honest solution anyway.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?

On Oct 4, 2006, at 12:55 PM, coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj wrote: coldbluiceman wrote: Vaj wrote:Samaya Sri Vidya does not require anyexternally obvious signs. Namaste Vaj Ji,Please tell me what exactly are the "signs of Sri Vidya"? External ritual. Namaste Vaj jiPlease tell me of this external ritual?For example puja? Samaya practice is internal (i.e. you might not necessarily see such a practitioner doing anything obvious externally). Please tell me is this "samaya" the same "tm-samya"?There are different ways of classifying tantric practice. In one of these ways-of-seeing, samaya tantra is internal tantric practice, not relying on external ritual but rather an internal practice. For a great example, see Shankara's tantric works like Saundaryalahari--but as I indicated before, not everyone accepts Shankara as the author... Notfinding a secret practice on a web siteis no indication that it isnot practiced,nor should we be surprised it is not practicedeverywhere. Maybe, but you insisted "Sri Vidya" was practised by Adi Shankaraand at His established mutts. You might want to look at what I did originally say: Ok. "Sri Rajareshsvari is a form ofthe Goddess worshipped in Sri Vidya and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas. A very old pagan and tantric Goddess. " i must politely take exception with your statement.As when i *google* your "Rajareshsvari" name i come with nothing!!However if i *google* the name i told you- "Tripurasundari" i come with 16,000 sites related to Devi Tripurasundarihttp://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=tripurasundariResults 1 - 10 of about 16,000 for tripurasundari. (0.58 secondsTry the transliteration "Rajarajeswari". It's not Her only name, she has many names. It seemed such common knowledge, I assumed you would've known. It has a long association with these traditions,esp. thesouthern seat. I gave you the link to the "southern seat" here it is again.Why not email the "southern seat" directly and ask them if theShankaracharya there at Kanchi worships a "sri yantra'??5). Kanchi mutt- here is the link go see if this mutt engages in worship of Sri Yantra http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html I'm guessing what's confusing you is that they refer to it as a Sri Chakra. FYI this is synonymous with "Sri Yantra". No Sir. As i pointed out to you before.., when Adi Shankara presented gifts to Devi Tripurasundari at the temple in Kanchi. He gave Her earrings as gifts the earrings were called "Sri Chakra".Please check the wedsite i provided for the Southern Seat.http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.htmlThe worship(or devotion/bhakti) of Sri Devi Tripurasundari is related to Sri Chakra, and practrised in the Kanchi mutt. The devotion/bahkti done to Sri Tripurasundari involves puja(or Arti) and homage(or prayer) and RoopDhyana(or rememberance of Her divine form) and does not involve "secret rituals". The "sri yantra" are mandalas painted on concrete or stone or paper or made with sand-(as in the Tibetan Buddhist practice of sand mandalas) and involve a mental concentration on a "yantra".It's certainly one way. Perhaps you might want to look at the description of what Adi Shankara carved into the rock there (at the Sharada temple site) Where? and what Vidyaranya installed at numerous other places. BTW, just a casual glance at itinerariesshows participation in Sri Vidya rituals. Please- *Specifically Identify from those "itineraries" whichare "sri yanta rituals"?I want to know what you are calling "sri yantra rituals". I think you're just playing games. I think you are playing games, and attempting to get me stare at*VERY Artistic Mandalas* that my lovely wife paints on concrete forcelebrations at our local "Hindu" temple.Are those mandalas my wife paints part of some "sri yantra ritual"? Maybe you should ask her? Well on occassion i assist her, as some are very large.However when the- frequent So. Indian visitors(some are pundits from the Sri Meenakshi) come to our temple they view her painted mandalas. While they comment on the significance of her manadals, they never ascribe any sort of worship to them!Different strokes for different folks. Just what FFL needed--another game player.Excuse me if you areactually ignorant in this area, Sir Vaj Ji,I am not ignorant.I just don't by into your whole-, "tantric / shankaracharya / sriyantra secret rituals" thing.I have been to 2 Shankaracharyas(1 north 1 south) and 2 livingdisciples of Sri BrahmanandJi Maharaj and 1 Jagadguru Acharya (myspiritual master).And, in 20 years i never heard of any secret teaching of "sriyantra"!!..i assure you I am not ignorant in these "areas". LOL, what makes you think you'd hear of a secret teaching? LOL, What makes you think they are "secret teachings"?.. i can find "sri yantra" worship on the internet right now!!Of course you can. Big deal.Sorry, I'm not interested in any more games and FYI I have little interest in Brahmanic temple ritual. I'm just not the church going type.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?



On Oct 5, 2006, at 8:52 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   "Mike Hutchinson" wrote: ColdBlueIce,  you come accross as so arrogant   Namaste Sir Mike Ji I must politely take excetion with your comment regarding,- "you come accross as so arrogant".  Simply because Vaj Ji posted spurious claims regarding a "Goddess"  that simply can't be found.   I think that what Mike might have been hinting at was that it's not really the *details* of the nitpicking that's arrogant, but the mere fact that two grown men would get down and dirty playing the "my secret and esoteric information is better than your secret and esoteric information" game.  All in all, pulling out a tape measure and  comparing dicks would be a lot more subtle...  :-)  Ok, it's a *given* that most on-the-program TMers  don't know a whole heckuva lot about the real roots of their belief system. But hearing two people argue about whose version of those roots is "right" is  *just* as boring as hearing the TBs rant about how the version they were told by Maharishi is "right." Basically it's a jackoff contest, and in this particular instance, Vaj has been pretty restrained and has kept his dick in his pants. You're the one who seems to have his ego all involved in being "right."  Just a hint. You're coming across *remarkably* like Judy, only quoting different "authorities" in your quest to be "right." ROFL -- I actually thought this *was* Judy, it's remarkable how similar the style is. It made me wonder if certain obsessional patterns were outcomes of certain practices or certain types of people were drawn to certain practices. Of course maybe we'd find the same thing with many other fundamentalists.FYI I just made a simple comment, I'm just puzzled by all the bizarre responses. It seems to be getting more common here. I guess neo-Hindus feel they have to protect their turf too. I can only comment on what I've experienced in the past, that's all.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman
snip   I have spoken to 3 living disciples of Sri
  Brahmanandji-(SBS) and 
   none of them said anything like what you claim.
   In fact if your are on the east coast- New York,
  New York you can 
  
 === message truncated ===
 And when you become aware that you are thinking
 thoughts, come back very easily, very gently to the mantra
 

Hey Peter, riffing on your message awhile back, I still think No soup 
for you! should somehow be incorporated into the checking notes...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 5, 2006, at 8:52 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
snip
  Just a hint. You're coming across *remarkably*
  like Judy, only quoting different authorities
  in your quest to be right.
 
 ROFL -- I actually thought this *was* Judy, it's remarkable how  
 similar the style is.

In fact, of course, the style isn't similar at
all, and you never for an instant thought it was me.

What's similar is your response to those who have
the nerve to question your pseudo-learned pronouncements.
In that, you're a lot more similar to Steve than Steve
is to me.

 It made me wonder if certain obsessional  
 patterns were outcomes of certain practices or certain types of  
 people were drawn to certain practices. Of course maybe we'd find 
 the same thing with many other fundamentalists.

And, of course, I'm neither obsessional nor a
fundamentalist, as you know.  But Steve is both.







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[FairfieldLife] yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)

2006-10-05 Thread rama krishna

Atman Robert, Jai Gurudev! This has refrence to yr query dt Oct 4th on Celibacy. Both the Hindu and Tibetan spiritual practices lay a great emphasis on Brahmcharya(Celibacy). The Patanjali Yog Sutras also talks of importance of continence.Here are some quotes from various sources:-"Brahmacharya or spotless chastity is the best of all penances; a celibate of such spotless chastity is not a human being, but a god indeed... To the celibate who conserves the semen with great efforts, what is there unattainable in this world? By the power of the composure of the semen, one will become just like myself. "- Lord Sankara"Caution in diet is of threefold value, but abstinence from sexual intercourse is of fourfold value. The Sannyasi had, and has a rule never to look at a woman. "- Atreya
"Let not a Brahmin see a woman naked." - Manu"There is no doubt that people die prematurely by letting the semen out of the body; knowing this, the Yogi should always preserve semen and lead a life of strict celibacy." Siva Samhita-"And those students who find that world of God through chastity, their is that heavenly country; theirs in whatever world they are, is freedom." - Chhandogya Upanisad -"A wise man should avoid married life as if it were a burning pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation, from sensation thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that, the soul is delivered from all sinful existence." - Lord Buddha"These sexual propensities, though they are at first like ripple, acquire the proportions of a sea on account of a bad company. Whenever the mental image of a woman crops up in your mind with evil thoughts, repeat mentally "Om Durgaa Devyai Namah " and do mental prostrations." - Swami Vivekananda"Know that in this world there is nothing that cannot be attained by one who remains from birth to death a perfect celibate . In one person, knowledge of the four Vedas, and in another, perfect celibacy- of these, the latter is superior to the former who is wanting in celibacy." - The Mahabharat"All men and youngmen in particular, can experience the immediate benefit of chastity. The memory is quiet and tenacious, the brain lively and fertile, the will energetic, the whole character gains a strength of which libertines have no conception, no prism show us our surroundings under such heavenly colours as that of chastity, which lights up with its rays the least objects in the universe and transports us into the purest joys of an abiding happiness that shows neither shadow neither decline. " - Prof. Montagaza "This seed (semen) is marrow to your bones, food to your brains, oil to your joints and sweetness to your breath and if you are a man, you should never loose a drop of it, until you are
fully thirty years of age and then only for the purpose of having a child which shall be blessed by heaven and really one of the inmates of the kingdom of heaven by being born again. " - Dr. Molvil Keith M.D. Chastity no more injures the body and the soul, self-discipline is better than any other line of conduct. - Sir James Pagen"It is a singularly false notion... the notion of imaginary dangers in absolute continence. Virginity is a physical, moral and intellectual safeguard to youngmen. " Here are some links on
celibacy: http://sivanandaonline.org/graphics/ebooks/swami_sivanandaji/downnload/practice_brahmacharya.htmlhttp://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/flatto.htmhttp://sivanandaonline.org/graphics/ebooks/swami_chidananda/DOWNLOAD/the_role_celibacy_Spiritual_Life.htmlRegards
Rama krishna

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[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
-A wise man should avoid married life as if it were a burning 
pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation, from sensation 
thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that, the soul is 
delivered from all sinful existence. 
   - Lord Buddha 
snip

Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd bet my life 
Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that comes to mind 
is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if the Self is not 
realized and someone is lost in the play of the senses. (But even if 
they are, how will they develop a desire to transcend that if they 
don't experience it?) 

How weak would someone be that the only way they could avoid 
attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole thing is so 
perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up like mummies, 
or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and poorly thought 
out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about Buddha's teaching.

The other thing that occurs to me when reading all these high-minded 
quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies? All the 
supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so, what do you think 
their kids would be like?

Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value here for worldly 
folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion, and um, seems 
like there's enough of that to go around already. No more 
puritanical ideas, please.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here are some quotes from various sources:

   -Brahmacharya or spotless chastity is the best of all penances; 
 a celibate of such spotless chastity is not a human being, but a 
 god indeed... To the celibate who conserves the semen with great 
 efforts, what is there unattainable in this world? By the power of 
 the composure of the semen, one will become just like myself. - 
 Lord Sankara

   Caution in diet is of threefold value, but abstinence from 
 sexual intercourse is of fourfold value. The Sannyasi had, and 
 has a rule never to look at a woman. - Atreya 

   Let not a Brahmin see a woman naked. - Manu

   There is no doubt that people die prematurely by letting the 
 semen out of the body; knowing this, the Yogi should always 
 preserve semen and lead a life of strict celibacy. Siva Samhita

   etc.

Another quote:

Rejoice and be thankful that guys actually believe 
this stuff, because the more of them that do, the
more nookie is available for us.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?

 Vaj wrote:
  coldbluiceman wrote:
   Vaj wrote:
  coldbluiceman wrote:
  Vaj wrote:
  Samaya Sri Vidya does not require any
  externally obvious signs.
 
  Namaste Vaj Ji,
  Please tell me what exactly are
  the signs of Sri Vidya?
 
  External ritual.
 
  Namaste Vaj ji
  Please tell me of this external ritual?
  For example puja?
 
  Samaya practice is internal
  (i.e. you might not necessarily see such
  a practitioner doing anything 
  obvious externally).
 
  Please tell me is this samaya the
  same tm-samya?

 There are different ways of classifying 
 tantric practice. In one of  
 these ways-of-seeing, samaya tantra is 
 internal tantric practice, not  
 relying on external ritual but rather 
 an internal practice.

Namaste Sir Vaj Ji,
I humbily request your *Source* of your samaya Tantra??
And, are you sure you are not mis-spelling samaya?
i think there is supposed to be another m in there..,samayma.. 
maybe?

 For a  
 great example, see Shankara's tantric 
 works like Saundaryalahari--but  
 as I indicated before, 
 not everyone accepts Shankara as the author...

Good point Sir, as no one in Kanchi Mutt(your- southern seat) 
*ever* claimed Sri Adi Shankar ever wrote any tantric works.
And, that comes straight from the source.., at Kanchi Mutt.

   Not
  finding a secret practice on a web site
  is no indication that it is
  not practiced,
  nor should we be surprised it is not practiced
  everywhere.
 
  Maybe, but you insisted Sri Vidya
  was practised by Adi Shankara
  and at His established mutts.

  You might want to look at
  what I did originally say:

  Ok.
 
  Sri Rajareshsvari is a form of
  the Goddess worshipped in Sri Vidya
  and popular in the cult of the Shankaracharyas.
  A very old pagan and
  tantric Goddess. 

  i must politely take exception with your statement.
  As when i *google* your Rajareshsvari 
  name i come up with nothing!!
  However if i *google* the name i told you- 
  Tripurasundari i come up
  with 16,000 sites related to 
  Devi Tripurasundari
  http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=tripurasundari
  Results 1 - 10 of about 16,000 for tripurasundari. (0.58 seconds

 Try the transliteration Rajarajeswari. 

Ok..i did and you know what?.. She is same Devi Tripurasundari!!
And, She did in fact recieve earrings as a gift from Sri Adi 
Shankar. And, the earrings gifted by Sri Adi to Devi Lalita 
Tripurasundari Rajeshwari were knwon as Sri Chakra!!

 It's not Her only name, she  
 has many names.

Correct

 It seemed such common knowledge,
 I assumed you would've known.

You mis-spelled it.

  It has a long association with 
  these traditions,
  esp. the
  southern seat.
 
  I gave you the link to 
  the southern seat 
  here it is again.
  Why not email the southern seat directly 
  and ask them if the
  Shankaracharya there at Kanchi 
  worships a sri yantra'??
  5). Kanchi mutt- here is the link go
  see if this mutt engages in
  worship of Sri Yantra
  http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html

  I'm guessing what's confusing you is that
  they refer to it as a Sri
  Chakra.
  FYI this is synonymous with Sri Yantra.

  No Sir. As i pointed out to you before..,
  when Adi Shankara
  presented gifts to Devi Tripurasundari 
  at the temple in Kanchi. He
  gave Her earrings as gifts the earrings 
  were called Sri Chakra.
  Please check the wedsite i 
  provided for the Southern Seat.
  http://www.kamakoti.org/peeth/aboutpeetham.html
 
  The worship(or devotion/bhakti) of 
  Sri Devi Tripurasundari is
  related to Sri Chakra, and practrised in 
  the Kanchi mutt. The
  devotion/bahkti done to Sri Tripurasundari 
  involves puja(or Arti)
  and homage(or prayer) and RoopDhyana
 (or rememberance of Her divine
  form) and  does not involve secret rituals.
  The sri yantra are mandalas 
  painted on concrete or stone or paper
  or made with sand-(as in the Tibetan Buddhist 
  practice of sand
  mandalas) and involve a mental 
  concentration on a yantra.
 
 It's certainly one way.

Most politely Sir Vaj Ji, is your tantric samaya another way?

  Perhaps you might
  want to look at the description of what
  Adi Shankara carved into the
  rock there (at the Sharada temple site)

  Where?

  and what Vidyaranya installed
  at numerous other places.

  BTW, just a casual glance at itineraries
  shows participation in Sri Vidya rituals.

  Please- *Specifically Identify from 
  those itineraries which
  are sri yanta rituals?
  I want to know what you are calling
  sri yantra rituals.

  I think you're just playing games.

  I think you are playing games, 
  and attempting to get me stare at
  *VERY Artistic Mandalas* that my lovely wife
  paints on concrete for
  celebrations at our local Hindu temple.
 
  Are those mandalas my wife paints
  part of some sri yantra ritual?

  Maybe you should ask her?

  Well on occassion i assist her, 
  as some are very large.
  However when the- frequent So. Indian 
  visitors(some are pundits from
  the Sri Meenakshi Temple) come to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)



--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 snip
 -A wise man should avoid married life as if it
 were a burning 
 pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation,
 from sensation 
 thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that,
 the soul is 
 delivered from all sinful existence. 
- Lord Buddha 
 snip
 
 Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd
 bet my life 
 Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that
 comes to mind 
 is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if
 the Self is not 
 realized and someone is lost in the play of the
 senses. (But even if 
 they are, how will they develop a desire to
 transcend that if they 
 don't experience it?) 
 
 How weak would someone be that the only way they
 could avoid 
 attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole
 thing is so 
 perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up
 like mummies, 
 or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and
 poorly thought 
 out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about
 Buddha's teaching.
 
 The other thing that occurs to me when reading all
 these high-minded 
 quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies?
 All the 
 supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so,
 what do you think 
 their kids would be like?
 
 Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value
 here for worldly 
 folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion,
 and um, seems 
 like there's enough of that to go around already. No
 more 
 puritanical ideas, please.

Great post, Jim. Ramana Maharishi also points to the
absurdity of attempting to end bondage by avoiding
sensory experiences.




 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Pulling your plonk in Iran

Khameini: Don't masturbate during Ramadan


Iran's supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and other 
topics on his website 


Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a fast 
invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled. 
 

Khameini, who is Iran's most powerful political and religious 
figure, was asked on his website : If somebody masturbates during 
the month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is his fasting 
invalidated? 

 If he do not intend masturbation and discharging semen and nothing 
is discharged, his fasting is correct even though he has done a 
h#803;ar#257;m (forbidden) act. But, if he intends masturbation or he knows 
that he usually discharges semen by this process and semen really 
comes out, it is a h#803;aram intentional breaking fasting, the Iranian 
leader said, posting the reply on his website. 

 

Another reader asked: Once in the holy month of Ramadan, I forgot 
to brush my teeth, and some tiny bits of food remained in my mouth. 
I swallowed the bits unintentionally. Do I have to perform the qad#803;a 
(repent) for that day's fast? 

 

If you did not know that some bits of food remained between the 
teeth, or you did not know that they would reach the throat, and 
they were swallowed unknowingly and unintentionally, then you are 
not liable to make (repent) of the fast, said Khameini. 


 

'Drink water while standing'

On the website, Khameini also tells Iranians that only jockeys are 
permitted to gamble on horse races. 

 

He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man to marry a 
woman only in order to be able to live in his wife's country. Can a 
man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a European girl 
after getting her agreement with the purpose of going to her 
country? A reader asked. 

 

There is no problem in that if they are serious in contracting 
marriage and it is done with her father's permission if she is 
virgin, Khameini ruled. 

 

The Iranian leader also told readers they were allowed to to drink 
water while standing at nights. It was not permissible to take 
part in meetings attended by both men and women, he told another 
reader. 

 

In Islam's view, rulers and governments exist just to serve people 
and carry out works in the interest of the public and this is what 
God demands us, as authorities, to fulfill, Khamenei was quoted 
Tuesday telling Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Amish way

I know that more people died at Columbine and at Oklahoma City but 
what happened at the Amish school sickens me much, much more.

It was, simply, horrific and it makes me ill just thinking about it.


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 Amish prepare to bury shooting victims
 By MICHAEL RUBINKAM, Associated Press Writer
 
 As the Amish prepared to bury four young victims of a horrific 
school 
 shooting, they asked to be allowed to do so in private.
 
 National mourning of similar tragedies, such as the massacre at 
 Columbine High School, has been enabled in part by media coverage 
 
 something the Amish generally shun and specifically spurned in a 
 statement Wednesday that pleaded for privacy.
 
 Instead, the Amish are coping with the slayings by looking inward. 
 They are relying on themselves and their faith, just as they have 
for 
 centuries, to get them through what one Amish bishop called our 
 9/11
 
 The Amish say they are quietly accepting the deaths as God's will.
 
 They know their children are going to heaven. They know their 
 children are innocent ... and they know that they will join them 
in 
 death, said Gertrude Huntington, a Michigan researcher who has 
 written a book about children in Amish society.
 
 The hurt is very great, Huntington said. But they don't balance 
 the hurt with hate.
 
 In just about any other community, a deadly school shooting would 
 have brought demands from civic leaders for tighter gun laws and 
 better security, and the victims' loved ones would have lashed out 
at 
 the gunman's family or threatened to sue.
 
 But that's not the Amish way.
 
 In the aftermath of Monday's violence, the Amish have reached out 
to 
 the family of the gunman, Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, who 
committed 
 suicide during the attack in a one-room schoolhouse.
 
 Dwight Lefever, a Roberts family spokesman, said an Amish neighbor 
 comforted the Roberts family hours after the shooting and extended 
 forgiveness to them. Among Roberts' survivors are his wife and 
three 
 children
 
 Roberts' relatives may even receive money from a fund established 
to 
 help victims and their families, said Kevin King, executive 
director 
 of Mennonite Disaster services, an agency managing the 
donations
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?



--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 coldbluiceman
 snip   I have spoken to 3 living disciples of
 Sri
   Brahmanandji-(SBS) and 
none of them said anything like what you
 claim.
In fact if your are on the east coast- New
 York,
   New York you can 
   
  === message truncated ===
  And when you become aware that you are thinking
  thoughts, come back very easily, very gently to
 the mantra
  
 
 Hey Peter, riffing on your message awhile back, I
 still think No soup 
 for you! should somehow be incorporated into the
 checking notes...

The good ol' soup Nazi! I just thought that the long,
long exchange got a little silly considering that the
whole point of these systems is direct transcendence
followed by conceptual understanding. Sri Vidya makes
sense in B.C., not waking state!


 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Pulling your plonk in Iran

What about sex with a she goat, great leader? Does
standing on one leg while performing the disgusting
deed count? What if a he goat mounts us and penetrates
our nether region? Does that count or have I soiled my
chances for the 72 virgins in paradise?

--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Khameini: Don't masturbate during Ramadan
 
 
 Iran's supreme leader answers questions on
 masturbation and other 
 topics on his website 
 
 
 Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan
 renders a fast 
 invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini
 has ruled. 
  
 
 Khameini, who is Iran's most powerful political and
 religious 
 figure, was asked on his website : If somebody
 masturbates during 
 the month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is
 his fasting 
 invalidated? 
 
  If he do not intend masturbation and discharging
 semen and nothing 
 is discharged, his fasting is correct even though he
 has done a 
 h#803;ar#257;m (forbidden) act. But, if he intends
 masturbation or he knows 
 that he usually discharges semen by this process and
 semen really 
 comes out, it is a h#803;aram intentional breaking
 fasting, the Iranian 
 leader said, posting the reply on his website. 
 
  
 
 Another reader asked: Once in the holy month of
 Ramadan, I forgot 
 to brush my teeth, and some tiny bits of food
 remained in my mouth. 
 I swallowed the bits unintentionally. Do I have to
 perform the qad#803;a 
 (repent) for that day's fast? 
 
  
 
 If you did not know that some bits of food remained
 between the 
 teeth, or you did not know that they would reach the
 throat, and 
 they were swallowed unknowingly and unintentionally,
 then you are 
 not liable to make (repent) of the fast, said
 Khameini. 
 
 
  
 
 'Drink water while standing'
 
 On the website, Khameini also tells Iranians that
 only jockeys are 
 permitted to gamble on horse races. 
 
  
 
 He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man
 to marry a 
 woman only in order to be able to live in his wife's
 country. Can a 
 man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a
 European girl 
 after getting her agreement with the purpose of
 going to her 
 country? A reader asked. 
 
  
 
 There is no problem in that if they are serious in
 contracting 
 marriage and it is done with her father's permission
 if she is 
 virgin, Khameini ruled. 
 
  
 
 The Iranian leader also told readers they were
 allowed to to drink 
 water while standing at nights. It was not
 permissible to take 
 part in meetings attended by both men and women, he
 told another 
 reader. 
 
  
 
 In Islam's view, rulers and governments exist just
 to serve people 
 and carry out works in the interest of the public
 and this is what 
 God demands us, as authorities, to fulfill,
 Khamenei was quoted 
 Tuesday telling Iranian President Mahmoud
 Ahmadinejad. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Tell Democrats that terrorists are gay Republicans...

...and they'll support the wiretapping law!

---

Who Knew Mark Foley was a Closeted Democrat?  
By Ann Coulter
FrontPageMagazine.com | October 5, 2006

At least liberals are finally exhibiting a moral compass about 
something. I am sure that they'd be equally outraged if Rep. Mark 
Foley were a Democrat. 
The object lesson of Foley's inappropriate e-mails to male pages is 
that when a Republican congressman is caught in a sex scandal, he 
immediately resigns and crawls off into a hole in abject 
embarrassment. Democrats get snippy. 

Foley didn't claim he was the victim of a witch hunt. He didn't 
whine that he was a put-upon gay American. He didn't stay in 
Congress and haughtily rebuke his critics. He didn't run for re-
election. He certainly didn't claim he was saving the 
Constitution. (Although his recent discovery that he has a drinking 
problem has a certain Democratic ring to it.) 

In 1983, Democratic Rep. Gerry Studds was found to have sexually 
propositioned House pages and actually buggered a 17-year-old male 
page whom he took on a trip to Portugal. The 46-year-old Studds 
indignantly attacked those who criticized him for what he called 
a mutually voluntary, private relationship between adults. 

When the House censured Studds for his sex romp with a male page, 
Studds  not one to be shy about presenting his backside to a large 
group of men  defiantly turned his back on the House during the 
vote. He ran for re-election and was happily returned to office five 
more times by liberal Democratic voters in his Martha's Vineyard 
district. (They really liked his campaign slogan: It's the outfit, 
stupid.) 

Washington Post columnist Colman McCarthy referred to Studds' affair 
with a teenage page as a brief consenting homosexual relationship 
and denounced Studds' detractors for engaging in a witch hunt 
against gays: New England witch trials belong to the past, or so it 
is thought. This summer on Cape Cod, the reputation of Rep. Gerry 
Studds was burned at the stake by a large number of his constituents 
determined to torch the congressman for his private life. 

Meanwhile, Foley is hiding in a hole someplace. 

No one demanded to know why the Democratic speaker of the House, 
Thomas Tip O'Neill, took one full decade to figure out that Studds 
was propositioning male pages. 

But now, the same Democrats who are incensed that Bush's National 
Security Agency was listening in on al-Qaeda phone calls are 
incensed that Republicans were not reading a gay congressman's 
instant messages. 

Let's run this past the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals: The suspect 
sent an inappropriately friendly e-mail to a teenager  oh also, we 
think he's gay. Can we spy on his instant messages? On a scale of 1 
to 10, what are the odds that any court in the nation would have 
said: YOU BET! Put a tail on that guy  and a credit check, too! 

When Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee found unprotected 
e-mails from the Democrats about their plan to oppose Miguel 
Estrada's judicial nomination because he was Hispanic, Democrats 
erupted in rage that their e-mails were being read. The Republican 
staffer responsible was forced to resign. 

But Democrats are on their high horses because Republicans in the 
House did not immediately wiretap Foley's phones when they found out 
he was engaging in e-mail chitchat with a former page about what the 
kid wanted for his birthday. 

The Democrats say the Republicans should have done all the things 
Democrats won't let us do to al-Qaeda  solely because Foley was 
rumored to be gay. Maybe we could get Democrats to support the NSA 
wiretapping program if we tell them the terrorists are gay. 

On Fox News' Hannity and Colmes Monday night, Democrat Bob Beckel 
said a gay man should be kept away from male pages the same way 
Willie Sutton should have been kept away from banks. If Willie 
Sutton is around some place where a bank is robbed, Beckel 
said, then you're probably going to say, 'Willie, stay away from 
the robbery.' 

H, let's search the memory bank. In July 2000, the New York 
Times ethicist Randy Cohen advised a reader that pulling her son 
out of the Cub Scouts because they exclude gay scoutmasters was the 
ethical thing to do. The ethicist explained: Just as one is 
honor bound to quit an organization that excludes African-Americans, 
so you should withdraw from scouting as long as it rejects 
homosexuals. 

We need to get a rulebook from the Democrats: 


Boy Scouts: As gay as you want to be. 

Priests: No gays! 

Democratic politicians: Proud gay Americans. 

Republican politicians: Presumed guilty. 

White House press corps: No gays, unless they hate Bush. 

Active-duty U.S. military: As gay as possible. 

Men who date Liza Minelli: Do I have to draw you a picture, Miss 
Thing?
This is the very definition of political opportunism. If Republicans 
had decided to spy on Foley for sending overly friendly e-mails to 
pages, Democrats

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?



--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 5, 2006, at 8:52 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 coldbluiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
  wrote:
 
 
 
   Mike Hutchinson wrote:
  ColdBlueIce,  you come accross as so arrogant
 
 
  Namaste Sir Mike Ji
  I must politely take excetion with your comment
 regarding,-
  you come accross as so arrogant.
 
  Simply because Vaj Ji posted spurious claims
 regarding a Goddess
  that simply can't be found.
 
 
  I think that what Mike might have been hinting at
  was that it's not really the *details* of the
  nitpicking that's arrogant, but the mere fact
  that two grown men would get down and dirty
 playing
  the my secret and esoteric information is better
  than your secret and esoteric information game.
  All in all, pulling out a tape measure and
  comparing dicks would be a lot more subtle...  :-)
 
  Ok, it's a *given* that most on-the-program TMers
  don't know a whole heckuva lot about the real
 roots
  of their belief system. But hearing two people
 argue
  about whose version of those roots is right is
  *just* as boring as hearing the TBs rant about
  how the version they were told by Maharishi is
  right. Basically it's a jackoff contest, and
  in this particular instance, Vaj has been pretty
  restrained and has kept his dick in his pants.
  You're the one who seems to have his ego all
  involved in being right.
 
  Just a hint. You're coming across *remarkably*
  like Judy, only quoting different authorities
  in your quest to be right.
 
 ROFL -- I actually thought this *was* Judy, it's
 remarkable how  
 similar the style is. It made me wonder if certain
 obsessional  
 patterns were outcomes of certain practices or
 certain types of  
 people were drawn to certain practices. Of course
 maybe we'd find the  
 same thing with many other fundamentalists.
 
 FYI I just made a simple comment, I'm just puzzled
 by all the bizarre  
 responses. It seems to be getting more common here.
 I guess neo- 
 Hindus feel they have to protect their turf too. I
 can only comment  
 on what I've experienced in the past, that's all.


In case anyone was wondering-and I know you are-my
penis is large, magnificant, and worthy of esoteric
tantric worship by nubile maidans. It is also 47 feet
long.




 
 


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[FairfieldLife] Racism and segregation in Barry's paradise

Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union
By David Rennie, Europe Correspondent
(Filed: 05/10/2006)



Radical Muslims in France's housing estates are waging an 
undeclared intifada against the police, with violent clashes 
injuring an average of 14 officers each day.

   
Interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy was warned of an 'intifada'

 
As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been 
wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were in 
a state of civil war with Muslims in the most depressed banlieue 
estates which are heavily populated by unemployed youths of north 
African origin.

It said the situation was so grave that it had asked the government 
to provide police with armoured cars to protect officers in the 
estates, which are becoming no-go zones.

The number of attacks has risen by a third in two years. Police 
representatives told the newspaper Le Figaro that the taboo of 
attacking officers on patrol has been broken.

Instead, officers  especially those patrolling in pairs or small 
groups  faced attacks as soon as they tried to arrest locals.

Senior officers insisted that the problem was essentially criminal 
in nature, with crime bosses on the estates fighting back against 
tough tactics.

The interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, who is also the leading 
centre-Right candidate for the presidency, has sent heavily equipped 
units into areas with orders to regain control from drug smuggling 
gangs and other organised crime rings. Such aggressive raids 
were disrupting the underground economy in the estates, one senior 
official told Le Figaro.

However, not all officers on the ground accept that essentially 
secular interpretation. Michel Thoomis, the secretary general of the 
hardline Action Police trade union, has written to Mr Sarkozy 
warning of an intifada on the estates and demanding that officers 
be given armoured cars in the most dangerous areas.

He said yesterday: We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by 
radical Islamists. This is not a question of urban violence any 
more, it is an intifada, with stones and Molotov cocktails. You no 
longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole 
tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their 'comrades' free 
when they are arrested.

He added: We need armoured vehicles and water cannon. They are the 
only things that can disperse crowds of hundreds of people who are 
trying to kill police and burn their vehicles.

However, Gerard Demarcq, of the largest police unions, Alliance, 
dismissed talk of an intifada as representing the views of only a 
minority.

Mr Demarcq said that the increased attacks on officers were proof 
that the policy of retaking territory from criminal gangs was 
working.

Mayors in the worst affected suburbs, which saw weeks of riots and 
car-burning a year ago, have expressed fears of a vicious circle, as 
attacks by locals lead the police to harden their tactics, further 
increasing resentment.

As if to prove that point, there were angry reactions in the western 
Paris suburb of Les Mureaux following dawn raids in search of youths 
who attacked a police unit on Sunday. The raids led to one arrest. 
They followed clashes on Sunday night when scores of youths attacked 
seven officers who had tried to arrest a man for not wearing his 
seat belt while driving. That driver refused to stop, and later 
rammed a police car trying to block his path.

The mayor of Les Mureaux, Francois Garay, criticised aggressive 
police tactics that afterwards left the people on the ground to 
pick up the pieces.
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All in all, pulling out a tape measure and 
 comparing dicks would be a lot more subtle...  :-)
 
And, a whole lot more interesting.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In case anyone was wondering-and I know you are-my
 penis is large, magnificant, and worthy of esoteric
 tantric worship by nubile maidans. It is also 47 feet
 long.

In the Shiva Sutras, it says, Yea, anything less
than 50 feet is a mere nubbin.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna
  aram_1903@ 
  wrote:
  snip
  -A wise man should avoid married life as if it
  were a burning 
  pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation,
  from sensation 
  thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that,
  the soul is 
  delivered from all sinful existence. 
 - Lord Buddha 
  snip
  
  Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd
  bet my life 
  Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that
  comes to mind 
  is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if
  the Self is not 
  realized and someone is lost in the play of the
  senses. (But even if 
  they are, how will they develop a desire to
  transcend that if they 
  don't experience it?) 
  
  How weak would someone be that the only way they
  could avoid 
  attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole
  thing is so 
  perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up
  like mummies, 
  or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and
  poorly thought 
  out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about
  Buddha's teaching.
  
  The other thing that occurs to me when reading all
  these high-minded 
  quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies?
  All the 
  supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so,
  what do you think 
  their kids would be like?
  
  Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value
  here for worldly 
  folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion,
  and um, seems 
  like there's enough of that to go around already. No
  more 
  puritanical ideas, please.
 
 Great post, Jim. Ramana Maharishi also points to the
 absurdity of attempting to end bondage by avoiding
 sensory experiences.

Ramana Rocks! (aka the mountain that is Ramana)





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tell Democrats that terrorists are gay Republicans...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...and they'll support the wiretapping law!
 
 ---
 
 Who Knew Mark Foley was a Closeted Democrat?  
 By Ann Coulter
 FrontPageMagazine.com | October 5, 2006
 
 At least liberals are finally exhibiting a moral compass about 
 something. I am sure that they'd be equally outraged if Rep. Mark 
 Foley were a Democrat. 
 The object lesson of Foley's inappropriate e-mails to male pages 
is 
 that when a Republican congressman is caught in a sex scandal, he 
 immediately resigns and crawls off into a hole in abject 
 embarrassment. Democrats get snippy. 
 
Coulter is such an idiot. Why print her persistent trash here? Talk 
about a bag of hot air... 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)

jim_flanegin wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 snip
   
-A wise man should avoid married life as if it were a burning 
 
 pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation, from sensation 
 thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that, the soul is 
 delivered from all sinful existence. 
   
   - Lord Buddha 
 
 snip

 Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd bet my life 
 Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that comes to mind 
 is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if the Self is not 
 realized and someone is lost in the play of the senses. (But even if 
 they are, how will they develop a desire to transcend that if they 
 don't experience it?) 

 How weak would someone be that the only way they could avoid 
 attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole thing is so 
 perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up like mummies, 
 or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and poorly thought 
 out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about Buddha's teaching.

 The other thing that occurs to me when reading all these high-minded 
 quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies? All the 
 supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so, what do you think 
 their kids would be like?

 Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value here for worldly 
 folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion, and um, seems 
 like there's enough of that to go around already. No more 
 puritanical ideas, please.
I think most of these rules were made by priests at the behest of kings 
or by priests turned kings themselves to control the populace.   In fact 
the celibacy thing is probably an early attempt at population control in 
times of drought and famine.   There is some credence to *excessive* sex 
increasing vata but other than that there is not much of a reason for 
celibacy.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)

TurquoiseB wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Here are some quotes from various sources:

   -Brahmacharya or spotless chastity is the best of all penances; 
 a celibate of such spotless chastity is not a human being, but a 
 god indeed... To the celibate who conserves the semen with great 
 efforts, what is there unattainable in this world? By the power of 
 the composure of the semen, one will become just like myself. - 
 Lord Sankara

   Caution in diet is of threefold value, but abstinence from 
 sexual intercourse is of fourfold value. The Sannyasi had, and 
 has a rule never to look at a woman. - Atreya 

   Let not a Brahmin see a woman naked. - Manu

   There is no doubt that people die prematurely by letting the 
 semen out of the body; knowing this, the Yogi should always 
 preserve semen and lead a life of strict celibacy. Siva Samhita

   etc.
 

 Another quote:

 Rejoice and be thankful that guys actually believe 
 this stuff, because the more of them that do, the
 more nookie is available for us.

 :-)
Of course there is still a karmic factor involved so not being celibate 
doesn't necessarily mean there will be more nookie available.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Pulling your plonk in Iran

shempmcgurk wrote:
 Khameini: Don't masturbate during Ramadan


 Iran's supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and other 
 topics on his website 


 Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a fast 
 invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled. 
  

 Khameini, who is Iran's most powerful political and religious 
 figure, was asked on his website : If somebody masturbates during 
 the month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is his fasting 
 invalidated? 

  If he do not intend masturbation and discharging semen and nothing 
 is discharged, his fasting is correct even though he has done a 
 h#803;ar#257;m (forbidden) act. But, if he intends masturbation or he knows 
 that he usually discharges semen by this process and semen really 
 comes out, it is a h#803;aram intentional breaking fasting, the Iranian 
 leader said, posting the reply on his website. 

  

 Another reader asked: Once in the holy month of Ramadan, I forgot 
 to brush my teeth, and some tiny bits of food remained in my mouth. 
 I swallowed the bits unintentionally. Do I have to perform the qad#803;a 
 (repent) for that day's fast? 

  

 If you did not know that some bits of food remained between the 
 teeth, or you did not know that they would reach the throat, and 
 they were swallowed unknowingly and unintentionally, then you are 
 not liable to make (repent) of the fast, said Khameini. 


  

 'Drink water while standing'

 On the website, Khameini also tells Iranians that only jockeys are 
 permitted to gamble on horse races. 

  

 He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man to marry a 
 woman only in order to be able to live in his wife's country. Can a 
 man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a European girl 
 after getting her agreement with the purpose of going to her 
 country? A reader asked. 

  

 There is no problem in that if they are serious in contracting 
 marriage and it is done with her father's permission if she is 
 virgin, Khameini ruled. 

  

 The Iranian leader also told readers they were allowed to to drink 
 water while standing at nights. It was not permissible to take 
 part in meetings attended by both men and women, he told another 
 reader. 

  

 In Islam's view, rulers and governments exist just to serve people 
 and carry out works in the interest of the public and this is what 
 God demands us, as authorities, to fulfill, Khamenei was quoted 
 Tuesday telling Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. 
Shemp, sometimes I think you would have been happier with Rajneesh than 
with Maharishi.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pulling your plonk in Iran

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 shempmcgurk wrote:
  Khameini: Don't masturbate during Ramadan
 
 
  Iran's supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and 
other 
  topics on his website 
 
 
  Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a 
fast 
  invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled. 
   
 
  Khameini, who is Iran's most powerful political and religious 
  figure, was asked on his website : If somebody masturbates 
during 
  the month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is his fasting 
  invalidated? 
 
   If he do not intend masturbation and discharging semen and 
nothing 
  is discharged, his fasting is correct even though he has done a 
  h#803;ar#257;m (forbidden) act. But, if he intends 
masturbation or he knows 
  that he usually discharges semen by this process and semen 
really 
  comes out, it is a h#803;aram intentional breaking fasting, 
the Iranian 
  leader said, posting the reply on his website. 
 
   
 
  Another reader asked: Once in the holy month of Ramadan, I 
forgot 
  to brush my teeth, and some tiny bits of food remained in my 
mouth. 
  I swallowed the bits unintentionally. Do I have to perform the 
qad#803;a 
  (repent) for that day's fast? 
 
   
 
  If you did not know that some bits of food remained between the 
  teeth, or you did not know that they would reach the throat, and 
  they were swallowed unknowingly and unintentionally, then you 
are 
  not liable to make (repent) of the fast, said Khameini. 
 
 
   
 
  'Drink water while standing'
 
  On the website, Khameini also tells Iranians that only jockeys 
are 
  permitted to gamble on horse races. 
 
   
 
  He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man to marry a 
  woman only in order to be able to live in his wife's 
country. Can a 
  man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a European girl 
  after getting her agreement with the purpose of going to her 
  country? A reader asked. 
 
   
 
  There is no problem in that if they are serious in contracting 
  marriage and it is done with her father's permission if she is 
  virgin, Khameini ruled. 
 
   
 
  The Iranian leader also told readers they were allowed to to 
drink 
  water while standing at nights. It was not permissible to 
take 
  part in meetings attended by both men and women, he told another 
  reader. 
 
   
 
  In Islam's view, rulers and governments exist just to serve 
people 
  and carry out works in the interest of the public and this is 
what 
  God demands us, as authorities, to fulfill, Khamenei was quoted 
  Tuesday telling Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. 
 Shemp, sometimes I think you would have been happier with Rajneesh 
than 
 with Maharishi.



If I would have been guaranteed to get some of that free loving that 
was going on at that Oregon compound, I would have joined up in an 
instant...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tell Democrats that terrorists are gay Republicans...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  ...and they'll support the wiretapping law!
  
  ---
  
  Who Knew Mark Foley was a Closeted Democrat?  
  By Ann Coulter
  FrontPageMagazine.com | October 5, 2006
  
  At least liberals are finally exhibiting a moral compass about 
  something. I am sure that they'd be equally outraged if Rep. 
Mark 
  Foley were a Democrat. 
  The object lesson of Foley's inappropriate e-mails to male pages 
 is 
  that when a Republican congressman is caught in a sex scandal, 
he 
  immediately resigns and crawls off into a hole in abject 
  embarrassment. Democrats get snippy. 
  
 Coulter is such an idiot. Why print her persistent trash here? 
Talk 
 about a bag of hot air...



It's always nice to get another point of view, no?

Besides, she does it in a hilarious way.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  Rejoice and be thankful that guys actually believe 
  this stuff, because the more of them that do, the
  more nookie is available for us.
 
 Of course there is still a karmic factor involved so not 
 being celibate doesn't necessarily mean there will be 
 more nookie available.

You must not have been sexually active in the TM
movement back during the mid-seventies. If you
walked into a TM center and emitted a non-celibate
vibe, you were home free. 

Female TM teachers during the mid-to-late seventies
were the easiest women on the planet. I think it was 
the same kind of panic reaction that one sees in women 
who live near the Castro district in San Francisco. 
Oh my god...a man who actually likes having sex with 
women...don't let him escape!  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] A room for the Sidhis Course?

2006-10-05 Thread Dick Mays

Title: A room for the Sidhis Course?




A friend in Houston just called to
introduce me to a 49-year-old TMer who is coming to Fairfield to
receive the TM-Sidhis for free, and then to join the Invincibility
America Group for a year. This lady sounds very bright and
positive, and she is looking for a free room beginning October 25
while she takes the course (and probably for a few days afterwards
until she can receive her first $500 check. She says she could
stay in a corner somewhere or sleep on the floor. If you or
anyone you know might have such a corner or floor - or even better a
spare room! - would you please call or email me to let me
know?

Thank you very much.

Jai Guru Dev,
Dick Mays
641-472-5215

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Zimmerman's drop out of the movement also?

 rmy108  wrote:
  coldbluiceman wrote:
Vaj wrote:
coldbluiceman wrote:
   
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 How can I meet this  Swami Vishva Hiteshji Maharaj In New York?
 I am there right now!

VISHVA SEVA ASHRAM; 
104-38 Corona Avenue, Corona, New York 11368 
Or telephone 718.271.5423

Very Best Regards
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pulling your plonk in Iran

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wrote:

 Khameini: Don't masturbate during Ramadan


I am very sorry. Please forgive me Khamieni. (it was only twice a day 
instead of my usual 3 times a day ! ! !)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tell Democrats that terrorists are gay Republicans...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...and they'll support the wiretapping law!
 
 ---
 
 Who Knew Mark Foley was a Closeted Democrat?  
 By Ann Coulter
 FrontPageMagazine.com | October 5, 2006
 
 At least liberals are finally exhibiting a moral compass about 
 something. I am sure that they'd be equally outraged if Rep. Mark 
 Foley were a Democrat. 
 The object lesson of Foley's inappropriate e-mails to male pages 
is 
 that when a Republican congressman is caught in a sex scandal, he 
 immediately resigns and crawls off into a hole in abject 
 embarrassment. Democrats get snippy. 

The democratic guy in Massachussettes recently resigned for being a 
closet gay. 
In addition most of the outrage over Foley came from Replibicans. 
Bush said he was shocked and dismayed.
 The republicans were the ones that were up in arms about this.

OffWorld






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tell Democrats that terrorists are gay Republicans...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  ...and they'll support the wiretapping law!
  
  ---
  
  Who Knew Mark Foley was a Closeted Democrat?  
  By Ann Coulter
  FrontPageMagazine.com | October 5, 2006
  
  At least liberals are finally exhibiting a moral compass about 
  something. I am sure that they'd be equally outraged if Rep. Mark 
  Foley were a Democrat. 
  The object lesson of Foley's inappropriate e-mails to male pages 
 is 
  that when a Republican congressman is caught in a sex scandal, he 
  immediately resigns and crawls off into a hole in abject 
  embarrassment. Democrats get snippy. 
 
 The democratic guy in Massachussettes recently resigned for being a 
 closet gay.

Who's that?
 
 In addition most of the outrage over Foley came from Replibicans. 
 Bush said he was shocked and dismayed.
  The republicans were the ones that were up in arms about this.

Um, no, the Democrats are just as outraged--not
because Foley's gay, but because he's a sexual
predator, and the Republican leadership knew it.
They were more interested in protecting a House
seat than in protecting young people from Foley.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pulling your plonk in Iran

shempmcgurk wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 shempmcgurk wrote:
 
 Khameini: Don't masturbate during Ramadan


 Iran's supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and 
   
 other 
   
 topics on his website 


 Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a 
   
 fast 
   
 invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled. 
  

 Khameini, who is Iran's most powerful political and religious 
 figure, was asked on his website : If somebody masturbates 
   
 during 
   
 the month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is his fasting 
 invalidated? 

  If he do not intend masturbation and discharging semen and 
   
 nothing 
   
 is discharged, his fasting is correct even though he has done a 
 h#803;ar#257;m (forbidden) act. But, if he intends 
   
 masturbation or he knows 
   
 that he usually discharges semen by this process and semen 
   
 really 
   
 comes out, it is a h#803;aram intentional breaking fasting, 
   
 the Iranian 
   
 leader said, posting the reply on his website. 

  

 Another reader asked: Once in the holy month of Ramadan, I 
   
 forgot 
   
 to brush my teeth, and some tiny bits of food remained in my 
   
 mouth. 
   
 I swallowed the bits unintentionally. Do I have to perform the 
   
 qad#803;a 
   
 (repent) for that day's fast? 

  

 If you did not know that some bits of food remained between the 
 teeth, or you did not know that they would reach the throat, and 
 they were swallowed unknowingly and unintentionally, then you 
   
 are 
   
 not liable to make (repent) of the fast, said Khameini. 


  

 'Drink water while standing'

 On the website, Khameini also tells Iranians that only jockeys 
   
 are 
   
 permitted to gamble on horse races. 

  

 He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man to marry a 
 woman only in order to be able to live in his wife's 
   
 country. Can a 
   
 man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a European girl 
 after getting her agreement with the purpose of going to her 
 country? A reader asked. 

  

 There is no problem in that if they are serious in contracting 
 marriage and it is done with her father's permission if she is 
 virgin, Khameini ruled. 

  

 The Iranian leader also told readers they were allowed to to 
   
 drink 
   
 water while standing at nights. It was not permissible to 
   
 take 
   
 part in meetings attended by both men and women, he told another 
 reader. 

  

 In Islam's view, rulers and governments exist just to serve 
   
 people 
   
 and carry out works in the interest of the public and this is 
   
 what 
   
 God demands us, as authorities, to fulfill, Khamenei was quoted 
 Tuesday telling Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. 
   
 Shemp, sometimes I think you would have been happier with Rajneesh 
 
 than 
   
 with Maharishi.

 


 If I would have been guaranteed to get some of that free loving that 
 was going on at that Oregon compound, I would have joined up in an 
 instant...
I believe that is how they got so many people there.  I wonder how many 
TM'ers and even TM teachers joined that crowd?



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)

TurquoiseB wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 TurquoiseB wrote:
 
 Rejoice and be thankful that guys actually believe 
 this stuff, because the more of them that do, the
 more nookie is available for us.
   
 Of course there is still a karmic factor involved so not 
 being celibate doesn't necessarily mean there will be 
 more nookie available.
 

 You must not have been sexually active in the TM
 movement back during the mid-seventies. If you
 walked into a TM center and emitted a non-celibate
 vibe, you were home free. 

 Female TM teachers during the mid-to-late seventies
 were the easiest women on the planet. I think it was 
 the same kind of panic reaction that one sees in women 
 who live near the Castro district in San Francisco. 
 Oh my god...a man who actually likes having sex with 
 women...don't let him escape!  :-)
That was just the seventies period.  It got more and more crazy until 
AIDS came along and scared everybody.  I was just watching a little of 
an old Night Stalker episode (the one about the rakshasa) and noting how 
much more open things were on network TV than they are now.

In our center we probably did not have as many monks as you had.  What 
I'm talking about is people's karma when it comes to relationships (even 
one night stands) and how that corresponds with their horoscope.  A weak 
7th lord may mean that person may find even one night stands daunting 
even if they want them.  A sannyasi yoga in the chart may bestow the 
same results for a different reason.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Amish way

2006-10-05 Thread uns_tressor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 I know that more people died at Columbine and at Oklahoma City but 
 what happened at the Amish school sickens me much, much more.
 It was, simply, horrific and it makes me ill just thinking about it.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
  Amish prepare to bury shooting victims
  By MICHAEL RUBINKAM, Associated Press Writer 
  As the Amish prepared to bury four young victims of a horrific 
  school shooting, they asked to be allowed to do so in private.

In the UK, we have our nutters, and we have some people 
who are psychologically disturbed. The difference is that
they don't have guns. What has to happen to persuede those
in the southern states that they could be safer without 
guns than with them?
Uns.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's handpicked successor (Lawson's- Tired Old Anoop Chandola Story)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  sparaig spare egg/ Lawson English wrote:
   coldbluiceman wrote:
sparaig sparaig/Lawson English wrote:
 coldbluiceman wrote:
  sparaig spare egg/Lawson English wrote:
  Y'know, maybe I can't read the stilted 
  language of the Indian Courts properly, 
  or maybe I 
  simply can't understand your points 
 (or both), 
 
 Namaste Sir Lawson,
 Then please allow to clarify, and give you the gest of the  
 tired Old Anoop Chandola Story, 
 and the fabrications of truth 
 contained in Swami Shantanand's book
 -'Om Sri Jyothirmath'.
 
 First of all:
 (1) Regarding the will of Sri BrahmanandJi. 
 None of the civil lawsuits were framed
  around the vaildity of 
 the will.
  ..Thus, none of the civil suits in 
 this dispute seems to have been 
 framed in terms of contesting the 
 legal bona fides of Brahmananda's 
 will...
 http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
snip
As I said, one of us is misreading 
what the court has said...
  
  As I quoted to you twice from the
  higher court's summary, the lower court
  found that the 
  willl was valid... O well...
 
 Namaste Sir Lawson,
 The validity of the will means exactly this..
 there were five names on a piece of paper that was *Published after 
 Sri BrahmanandJi passed away*..,that is an *Undisputed Legal Fact* 
 by the Lower Court and Supreme Court and by both parties-,
  the Resondent/Ramji Tripathi-Shantinand, and the Plaintiffs.
 http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html
 
 The plaintiffs in the court case suggested to the court the order 
 had been reversed, as Swami Shantinand was the last choice and the 
 poorest choice..,as it was *Factually Established* Shantinand/Ramji 
 Tripathi could not comprehend nor read sanskrit
 http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html
 and - http://
 www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20687.html

As I said, you appear unable to understand what you furnish theURL for. The 
higher court 
said that the lower court said that the will was valid and that SBS was of 
sound mind when 
he wrote it. No mention was made to the order of the will in the URL you 
provided.

As to the rest, the question now arises: who is vomptent to choose SBS's 
successor? SBS or 
the group of scholars? The fact of the matter is that THEY ignored SBS's will 
completely 
and chose someone who wasn't even listed.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna
  aram_1903@ 
  wrote:
  snip
  -A wise man should avoid married life as if it
  were a burning 
  pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation,
  from sensation 
  thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that,
  the soul is 
  delivered from all sinful existence. 
 - Lord Buddha 
  snip
  
  Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd
  bet my life 
  Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that
  comes to mind 
  is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if
  the Self is not 
  realized and someone is lost in the play of the
  senses. (But even if 
  they are, how will they develop a desire to
  transcend that if they 
  don't experience it?) 
  
  How weak would someone be that the only way they
  could avoid 
  attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole
  thing is so 
  perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up
  like mummies, 
  or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and
  poorly thought 
  out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about
  Buddha's teaching.
  
  The other thing that occurs to me when reading all
  these high-minded 
  quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies?
  All the 
  supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so,
  what do you think 
  their kids would be like?
  
  Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value
  here for worldly 
  folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion,
  and um, seems 
  like there's enough of that to go around already. No
  more 
  puritanical ideas, please.
 
 Great post, Jim. Ramana Maharishi also points to the
 absurdity of attempting to end bondage by avoiding
 sensory experiences.

Samadhi is drawing the senses into the shell and all that. The activity of the 
thalamus 
takes care of sensory stuff during samadhi, and alternativint  samadhi and 
normal activity 
takes care of it during normal activity.

Avoid acutely stressful situation if possible, of course.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pulling your plonk in Iran

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  shempmcgurk wrote:
   Khameini: Don't masturbate during Ramadan
  
  
   Iran's supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and 
 other 
   topics on his website 
  
  
   Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a 
 fast 
   invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled. 

  
   Khameini, who is Iran's most powerful political and religious 
   figure, was asked on his website : If somebody masturbates 
 during 
   the month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is his fasting 
   invalidated? 
  
If he do not intend masturbation and discharging semen and 
 nothing 
   is discharged, his fasting is correct even though he has done a 
   h#803;ar#257;m (forbidden) act. But, if he intends 
 masturbation or he knows 
   that he usually discharges semen by this process and semen 
 really 
   comes out, it is a h#803;aram intentional breaking fasting, 
 the Iranian 
   leader said, posting the reply on his website. 
  

  
   Another reader asked: Once in the holy month of Ramadan, I 
 forgot 
   to brush my teeth, and some tiny bits of food remained in my 
 mouth. 
   I swallowed the bits unintentionally. Do I have to perform the 
 qad#803;a 
   (repent) for that day's fast? 
  

  
   If you did not know that some bits of food remained between the 
   teeth, or you did not know that they would reach the throat, and 
   they were swallowed unknowingly and unintentionally, then you 
 are 
   not liable to make (repent) of the fast, said Khameini. 
  
  

  
   'Drink water while standing'
  
   On the website, Khameini also tells Iranians that only jockeys 
 are 
   permitted to gamble on horse races. 
  

  
   He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man to marry a 
   woman only in order to be able to live in his wife's 
 country. Can a 
   man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a European girl 
   after getting her agreement with the purpose of going to her 
   country? A reader asked. 
  

  
   There is no problem in that if they are serious in contracting 
   marriage and it is done with her father's permission if she is 
   virgin, Khameini ruled. 
  

  
   The Iranian leader also told readers they were allowed to to 
 drink 
   water while standing at nights. It was not permissible to 
 take 
   part in meetings attended by both men and women, he told another 
   reader. 
  

  
   In Islam's view, rulers and governments exist just to serve 
 people 
   and carry out works in the interest of the public and this is 
 what 
   God demands us, as authorities, to fulfill, Khamenei was quoted 
   Tuesday telling Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. 
  Shemp, sometimes I think you would have been happier with Rajneesh 
 than 
  with Maharishi.
 
 
 
 If I would have been guaranteed to get some of that free loving that 
 was going on at that Oregon compound, I would have joined up in an 
 instant...


Actually, you pretty much were. I used to hang with the Rajneesh followers in 
the UK. They 
were QUITE loose, but only with fellow wearers of the saffron. Nice dancers 
though.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tell Democrats that terrorists are gay Republicans...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ wrote:
  
   ...and they'll support the wiretapping law!
   
   ---
   
   Who Knew Mark Foley was a Closeted Democrat?  
   By Ann Coulter
   FrontPageMagazine.com | October 5, 2006
   
   At least liberals are finally exhibiting a moral compass about 
   something. I am sure that they'd be equally outraged if Rep. Mark 
   Foley were a Democrat. 
   The object lesson of Foley's inappropriate e-mails to male pages 
  is 
   that when a Republican congressman is caught in a sex scandal, he 
   immediately resigns and crawls off into a hole in abject 
   embarrassment. Democrats get snippy. 
  
  The democratic guy in Massachussettes recently resigned for being a 
  closet gay.
 
 Who's that?
  
  In addition most of the outrage over Foley came from Replibicans. 
  Bush said he was shocked and dismayed.
   The republicans were the ones that were up in arms about this.
 
 Um, no, the Democrats are just as outraged--not
 because Foley's gay, but because he's a sexual
 predator, and the Republican leadership knew it.
 They were more interested in protecting a House
 seat than in protecting young people from Foley.


Weeelll... one could suggest that the Dems are more interested in taking that 
seat then in 
protecting young people from Foley, but that's just standard politics (as s the 
apparent 
coverup by Hastert).





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pulling your plonk in Iran

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 shempmcgurk wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:

  shempmcgurk wrote:
  
  Khameini: Don't masturbate during Ramadan
 
 
  Iran's supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and 

  other 

  topics on his website 
 
 
  Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a 

  fast 

  invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled. 
   
 
  Khameini, who is Iran's most powerful political and religious 
  figure, was asked on his website : If somebody masturbates 

  during 

  the month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is his fasting 
  invalidated? 
 
   If he do not intend masturbation and discharging semen and 

  nothing 

  is discharged, his fasting is correct even though he has done a 
  h#803;ar#257;m (forbidden) act. But, if he intends 

  masturbation or he knows 

  that he usually discharges semen by this process and semen 

  really 

  comes out, it is a h#803;aram intentional breaking fasting, 

  the Iranian 

  leader said, posting the reply on his website. 
 
   
 
  Another reader asked: Once in the holy month of Ramadan, I 

  forgot 

  to brush my teeth, and some tiny bits of food remained in my 

  mouth. 

  I swallowed the bits unintentionally. Do I have to perform the 

  qad#803;a 

  (repent) for that day's fast? 
 
   
 
  If you did not know that some bits of food remained between the 
  teeth, or you did not know that they would reach the throat, and 
  they were swallowed unknowingly and unintentionally, then you 

  are 

  not liable to make (repent) of the fast, said Khameini. 
 
 
   
 
  'Drink water while standing'
 
  On the website, Khameini also tells Iranians that only jockeys 

  are 

  permitted to gamble on horse races. 
 
   
 
  He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man to marry a 
  woman only in order to be able to live in his wife's 

  country. Can a 

  man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a European girl 
  after getting her agreement with the purpose of going to her 
  country? A reader asked. 
 
   
 
  There is no problem in that if they are serious in contracting 
  marriage and it is done with her father's permission if she is 
  virgin, Khameini ruled. 
 
   
 
  The Iranian leader also told readers they were allowed to to 

  drink 

  water while standing at nights. It was not permissible to 

  take 

  part in meetings attended by both men and women, he told another 
  reader. 
 
   
 
  In Islam's view, rulers and governments exist just to serve 

  people 

  and carry out works in the interest of the public and this is 

  what 

  God demands us, as authorities, to fulfill, Khamenei was quoted 
  Tuesday telling Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. 

  Shemp, sometimes I think you would have been happier with Rajneesh 
  
  than 

  with Maharishi.
 
  
 
 
  If I would have been guaranteed to get some of that free loving that 
  was going on at that Oregon compound, I would have joined up in an 
  instant...
 I believe that is how they got so many people there.  I wonder how many 
 TM'ers and even TM teachers joined that crowd?


The teaching never appealed to me. The free sex wasn't as appealing as it first 
seemed it 
would be. The dancing all night was fun, however. The US facility was supposed 
to be 
much stranger than the UK one. I should point out that I never wore saffron so 
I never got 
any nooky.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pulling your plonk in Iran

2006-10-05 Thread larry.potter

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
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 Khameini: Don't masturbate during Ramadan
 
...
 He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man to marry a 
 woman only in order to be able to live in his wife's country. Can 
a 
 man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a European girl 
 after getting her agreement with the purpose of going to her 
 country? A reader asked. 
 
 
 There is no problem in that if they are serious in contracting 
 marriage and it is done with her father's permission if she is 
 virgin, Khameini ruled. 
 

i see, so no problem to cheat on that Ramadan.

what about killing infidels, if i kill 3 infidels
do i get to go to heaven?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tell Democrats that terrorists are gay Republicans...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
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  Um, no, the Democrats are just as outraged--not
  because Foley's gay, but because he's a sexual
  predator, and the Republican leadership knew it.
  They were more interested in protecting a House
  seat than in protecting young people from Foley.
 
 
 Weeelll... one could suggest that the Dems are more interested in 
taking that seat then in 
 protecting young people from Foley, but that's just standard 
politics (as s the apparent 
 coverup by Hastert).

Thing is, the lack of accountability is pervasive
among the Republican Congress on virtually all issues,
and this is just one more instance of it.  I wouldn't
be surprised if Democrats would have also fumphed around
if it had been their seat, given the ick factor, but
they don't have the same history of near-complete lack
of interest in doing any oversight on *anything*.

So, yes, dammit, Democrats are going to make hay of
this because it's symptomatic of a much larger
problem with the Republicans, even though Foleygate
itself isn't the most crucial issue--because it's
simple for folks to grasp, whereas the more important
ones are a lot more complicated and easier for the
Republicans to confuse people about.






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 So, yes, dammit, Democrats are going to make hay of
 this because it's symptomatic of a much larger
 problem with the Republicans, even though Foleygate
 itself isn't the most crucial issue--because it's
 simple for folks to grasp, whereas the more important
 ones are a lot more complicated and easier for the
 Republicans to confuse people about.

Well, hell, after years of the GOP making political hay from Clenis,
of course the Dems are gonna ride Foleygate for all it's worth!
Payback's a bitch, bitches!






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Re: [FairfieldLife] inspiring comments from Seelisberg Ladies course

Seelisberg is an amazingly sattvic place perched on
the edge of a mountain overlooking lake lucerne. My
TTC was there in '73. 

--- George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 INVITATION TO LADIES PRACTISING THE TM-SIDHI AND
 YOGIC FLYING PROGRAMME 
 
 Join the special Invincibility course for Ladies and
 enjoy the most precious
 blissful environment of Mother Divine in Seelisberg,
 Switzerland  starting
 each Saturday.
 
 
 
 Dear Ladies 
 
 The special Invincibility Course for Ladies has been
 
 running since the beginning of August.  All the
 course 
 participants are very happy with the extended
 TM-Sidhi 
 and Yogic Flying Programme.  They are enjoying 
 deep experiences of higher states of consciousness
 and 
 many good things are happening in the field of
 health. 
 We would like all of you to share these good
 experiences 
 and join the course. This is a great gift of
 Maharishi. 
 This special Invincibility Course will allow ladies
 the 
 opportunity to awaken 24-hour bliss in daily life
 and 
 as a side effect radiate an influence of harmony,
 bliss 
 and invincibility in the collective consciousness of
 the 
 whole world. 
 
 
 
 Some comments from course participants in Seelisberg
 
 This course is a real blessing. I am very grateful
 that I could 
 be here. The Invincibility Programme opened a door
 for me 
 to a new dimension. During my stay here I felt so
 much bliss 
 and happiness and also had deep and wonderful
 experiences, 
 so that I can hardly express them in words. I wish
 that this 
 feeling of deep happiness will last in my daily life
 for a long 
 time.   -- Claudia, Germany 
 
 
 
 In Seelisberg you are closer to heaven but on this
 course 
 you are in heaven. Words cannot describe the divine
 level 
 that is experienced. The long flying programme
 dissolves 
 physical blocks and body and bones become liquid and
 seem 
 to be made of Soma. This course is a wonderful gift
 of Maharishi 
 and I am infinitely grateful for it.  --
 Christiane, Germany 
 
 
 
 During the flying I had a feeling as if something
 like a bud 
 opened at the end of my spine. From the bud warmth,
 love, 
 energy was flowing into my body. It was an
 indescribable, 
 real, holy feeling. I felt very touched. --
 Viviane, Germany 
 
 
 
 For me, the Invincibility Course for Ladies fulfils
 a lifetime 
 wish: It is a Mother Divine course for
 householders. It is 
 such a privilege to participate in it and to meet
 such enlightened 
 ladies who, on a daily basis, have experiences of
 realisation 
 of the Sidhis, of higher states of consciousness and
 of amazing 
 results on the level of health. As I leave I can
 only plan for a 
 'coming back' and wish for a life where I can return
 on a 
 regular basis again and again. Punah, Punah... With
 thanks 
 to all those who made those days so heavenly and all
 gratitude 
 to Maharishi and the Vedic Masters who kept this
 knowledge 
 alive for us to enjoy as a living reality. --
 Susan, Lebanon 
 
 
 
 I had a wonderful time here at the Invincibility
 Course. I 
 came with a lot of stress, up and down depression
 and I didn't 
 know what to expect. I really found myself back
 again. I`ve 
 been experiencing lots of bliss, specially during
 the programme 
 but also after the programme. I feel now much more
 centred 
 in myself and stronger. I also feel that my energy
 now streams 
 through. Before, it blocked towards my belly and
 with the 
 flying I feel it went completely through. I haven't
 been flying 
 for many years, say 10 years, and now I hardly can't
 stop. I 
 didn't know what bliss was until I came to this
 course. I 
 feel with lots of energy and I am willing to take my
 life in both 
 hands again and live with my heart. I am feeling
 much more 
 compassion and love towards my family and I am not
 afraid 
 anymore of expressing it.  -- Marie-Theresa,
 Holland 
 
 
 
 Cost: (room and board): CHF 65.- to 85.- per day and
 
 if you stay a month: CHF 1500.- per month 
 Contact: Maria Odermatt, Sonnenberg, 6377
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 Tel.: 0041-41-825 15 00 (reception) 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tell Democrats that terrorists are gay Republicans...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  
  So, yes, dammit, Democrats are going to make hay of
  this because it's symptomatic of a much larger
  problem with the Republicans, even though Foleygate
  itself isn't the most crucial issue--because it's
  simple for folks to grasp, whereas the more important
  ones are a lot more complicated and easier for the
  Republicans to confuse people about.
 
 Well, hell, after years of the GOP making political hay from Clenis,
 of course the Dems are gonna ride Foleygate for all it's worth!
 Payback's a bitch, bitches!

Of course payback gives it an extra charge for
Democrats, but it's much more than just payback.

I really don't want the essential point to get
lost:

The Foleygate scandal--the way the Republican
leadership dealt with and is still dealing with
the problem of a sexual predator in Congress--is
not self-contained and does not exist in a vacuum.

Foleygate is symptomatic of Republican
unwillingness *across the board* to be accountable.







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[FairfieldLife] Course update: Maharishi to speak to participants

2006-10-05 Thread George DeForest

O C T O B E R  4 :  I N V I N C I B I L I T Y   U P D A T E

MAHARISHI TO SPEAK EVERYDAY TO
INVINCIBLE AMERICA ASSEMBLY PARTICIPANTS!

WILL CONNECT AGAIN BEGINNING TOMORROW, OCTOBER 5
NEW TIMES: 9:30 am (CDT)  10:30 am (EDT)

ALL PARTICIPANTS SHOULD ATTEND!

Dear Fellow Sidhas,

Maharishi very much enjoys his close contact with all of the Pioneers of
Invincibility -- the Yogic Flyers who have joined the Invincible America
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And finally, the fear of flying that most Americans have felt since 9/11 is
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[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna
  aram_1903@ 
  wrote:
  snip
  -A wise man should avoid married life as if it
  were a burning 
  pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation,
  from sensation 
  thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that,
  the soul is 
  delivered from all sinful existence. 
 - Lord Buddha 
  snip
  
  Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd
  bet my life 
  Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that
  comes to mind 
  is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if
  the Self is not 
  realized and someone is lost in the play of the
  senses. (But even if 
  they are, how will they develop a desire to
  transcend that if they 
  don't experience it?) 
  
  How weak would someone be that the only way they
  could avoid 
  attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole
  thing is so 
  perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up
  like mummies, 
  or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and
  poorly thought 
  out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about
  Buddha's teaching.
  
  The other thing that occurs to me when reading all
  these high-minded 
  quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies?
  All the 
  supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so,
  what do you think 
  their kids would be like?
  
  Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value
  here for worldly 
  folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion,
  and um, seems 
  like there's enough of that to go around already. No
  more 
  puritanical ideas, please.
 
 Great post, Jim. Ramana Maharishi also points to the
 absurdity of attempting to end bondage by avoiding
 sensory experiences.

Yeah, let's put an end to egoic grasping by ramping up egoic aversion.
That'll work!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: yr query dt 4th Oct on Brahmcharya (celibacy)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
wrote:
 
  
  
  --- jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna
   aram_1903@ 
   wrote:
   snip
   -A wise man should avoid married life as if it
   were a burning 
   pit of live coals. From the contact comes sensation,
   from sensation 
   thirst, from thirst clinging, by ceasing from that,
   the soul is 
   delivered from all sinful existence. 
  - Lord Buddha 
   snip
   
   Sorry, but this is just complete bullsh*t, and I'd
   bet my life 
   Buddha never said this. I guess the first thing that
   comes to mind 
   is why sensation leads to thirst. Sure it does if
   the Self is not 
   realized and someone is lost in the play of the
   senses. (But even if 
   they are, how will they develop a desire to
   transcend that if they 
   don't experience it?) 
   
   How weak would someone be that the only way they
   could avoid 
   attachment would be to avoid sensation. The whole
   thing is so 
   perverted. What do we do, go through life wrapped up
   like mummies, 
   or encased like fetuses? A rediculous, immature and
   poorly thought 
   out quotation from someone who hadn't a clue about
   Buddha's teaching.
   
   The other thing that occurs to me when reading all
   these high-minded 
   quotations about celibacy, is Who Makes The Babies?
   All the 
   supposedly lowly ignorant folk? And if this is so,
   what do you think 
   their kids would be like?
   
   Stupid stuff. Maybe for monks, but nothing of value
   here for worldly 
   folk. Only adds to sexual repression and confusion,
   and um, seems 
   like there's enough of that to go around already. No
   more 
   puritanical ideas, please.
  
  Great post, Jim. Ramana Maharishi also points to the
  absurdity of attempting to end bondage by avoiding
  sensory experiences.
 
 Yeah, let's put an end to egoic grasping by ramping up egoic 
aversion.
 That'll work!

sounds like you're not pracising your programme!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tell Democrats that terrorists are gay Republicans...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   
   So, yes, dammit, Democrats are going to make hay of
   this because it's symptomatic of a much larger
   problem with the Republicans, even though Foleygate
   itself isn't the most crucial issue--because it's
   simple for folks to grasp, whereas the more important
   ones are a lot more complicated and easier for the
   Republicans to confuse people about.
  
  Well, hell, after years of the GOP making political hay from Clenis,
  of course the Dems are gonna ride Foleygate for all it's worth!
  Payback's a bitch, bitches!
 
 Of course payback gives it an extra charge for
 Democrats, but it's much more than just payback.
 
 I really don't want the essential point to get
 lost:
 
 The Foleygate scandal--the way the Republican
 leadership dealt with and is still dealing with
 the problem of a sexual predator in Congress--is
 not self-contained and does not exist in a vacuum.
 
 Foleygate is symptomatic of Republican
 unwillingness *across the board* to be accountable.

Turns out, it was all just a prank gone awry... oh well...

X DRUDGE REPORT X THU OCT 5 2006 2:53:48 ET X

CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE CHATS WERE PAGE 'PRANK GONE AWRY'
**World Exclusive**
**Must Credit the DRUDGE REPORT**

According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan
Edmund, the now famous lurid AOL Instant Message exchanges that led to
the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by
mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, the DRUDGE
REPORT can reveal.

According to one Oklahoma source who knows the former page very well,
Edmund, a conservative Republican, goaded an unwitting Foley to type
embarrassing comments that were then shared with a small group of
young Hill politicos. The prank went awry when the saved IM sessions
got into the hands of political operatives favorable to Democrats.

The primary source, an ally of Edmund, adamantly proclaims that the
former page is not a homosexual. The prank scenario was confirmed by a
second associate of Edmund. Both are fearful that their political
careers will be affected if they are publicly brought into the
investigation.

The prank scenario only applies to the Edmund IM sessions and does not
necessarily apply to any other exchanges between the former
congressman and others.

The news come on the heels that Edmund has hired former Timothy
McVeigh attorney, Stephen Jones.

Developing...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tell Democrats that terrorists are gay Republicans...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
  j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
   

So, yes, dammit, Democrats are going to make hay of
this because it's symptomatic of a much larger
problem with the Republicans, even though Foleygate
itself isn't the most crucial issue--because it's
simple for folks to grasp, whereas the more important
ones are a lot more complicated and easier for the
Republicans to confuse people about.
   
   Well, hell, after years of the GOP making political hay from 
Clenis,
   of course the Dems are gonna ride Foleygate for all it's worth!
   Payback's a bitch, bitches!
  
  Of course payback gives it an extra charge for
  Democrats, but it's much more than just payback.
  
  I really don't want the essential point to get
  lost:
  
  The Foleygate scandal--the way the Republican
  leadership dealt with and is still dealing with
  the problem of a sexual predator in Congress--is
  not self-contained and does not exist in a vacuum.
  
  Foleygate is symptomatic of Republican
  unwillingness *across the board* to be accountable.
 
 Turns out, it was all just a prank gone awry... oh well...

Yah, right.  Jeez, they really are desperate.


 X DRUDGE REPORT X THU OCT 5 2006 2:53:48 ET X
 
 CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE CHATS WERE PAGE 'PRANK GONE AWRY'







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[FairfieldLife] Remember the Coalition of the Willing in Iraq?

Ever wonder why you never hear about them anymore?

I did some research just now, and this is what I turned up 
(primarily on the www.globalsecurity.org website). Not much of a 
surprise, but speaks volumes to the Republicans' lack of 
accountability once again...

Original levels of the Coalition of the willing in 2003 were 
~50,000 troops. Current levels are as follows:

1 United Kingdom  7,200 
2 South Korea  ~3,000 (~2,000 by end of 2006)  
3 Italy  1,785   (0 by Dec. 2006)  
4 Australia 1,400 
5 Poland 900  (0 by end of 2006)  
6 Romania 865
7 Denmark 515  
8 El Salvador  380  
9 Georgia 300   
10 Azerbaijan 150  
11 Bulgaria ~150   
12 Latvia 136  
13 Mongolia 131
14 Albania 120  
15 Slovakia 104  
16 Czech Republic  100  
17 Lithuania ~50  
18 Armenia 46
19 Estonia 38
20 Bosnia  Herzegovina  37  
21  Macedonia 33  
22 Kazakhstan 29  
23 Moldova* 12  
TOTAL =  ~17,500
TOTAL by end of 2006 = 13,815  

Countries that have already left:

Hungary withdrew troops: Mar. 2005 
Nicaragua withdrew troops: Feb. 2004  
Spain withdrew troops: Late-Apr. 2004  
Dominican Republic withdrew troops: Early-May. 2004  
Honduras withdrew troops: Late-May. 2004  
Philippines withdrew troops: mid-Jul. 2004  
Thailand withdrew troops: Late-Aug. 2004  
New Zealand withdrew troops: Late-Sep. 2004  
Tonga withdrew troops: mid-Dec. 2004  
Portugal withdrew troops: mid-Feb. 2005  
Singapore withdrew troops: Mar. 2005  
Norway withdrew troops: Oct. 2005  
Ukraine withdrew troops: Dec. 2005  
The Netherlands withdrew troops: Mar. 2005  
Japan withdrew troops: Jul. 2006






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Remember the Coalition of the Willing in Iraq?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Ever wonder why you never hear about them anymore?
 
 I did some research just now, and this is what I turned up 
 (primarily on the www.globalsecurity.org website). Not much of a 
 surprise, but speaks volumes to the Republicans' lack of 
 accountability once again...
 
 Original levels of the Coalition of the willing in 2003 were 
 ~50,000 troops. Current levels are as follows:
 
 1 United Kingdom  7,200 
 2 South Korea  ~3,000 (~2,000 by end of 2006)  
 3 Italy  1,785   (0 by Dec. 2006)  
 4 Australia 1,400 
 5 Poland 900  (0 by end of 2006)  
 6 Romania 865
 7 Denmark 515  
 8 El Salvador  380  
 9 Georgia 300   
 10 Azerbaijan 150  
 11 Bulgaria ~150   
 12 Latvia 136  
 13 Mongolia 131
 14 Albania 120  
 15 Slovakia 104  
 16 Czech Republic  100  
 17 Lithuania ~50  
 18 Armenia 46
 19 Estonia 38
 20 Bosnia  Herzegovina  37  
 21  Macedonia 33  
 22 Kazakhstan 29  
 23 Moldova* 12  
 TOTAL =  ~17,500
 TOTAL by end of 2006 = 13,815  
 
 Countries that have already left:
 
 Hungary withdrew troops: Mar. 2005 
 Nicaragua withdrew troops: Feb. 2004  
 Spain withdrew troops: Late-Apr. 2004  
 Dominican Republic withdrew troops: Early-May. 2004  
 Honduras withdrew troops: Late-May. 2004  
 Philippines withdrew troops: mid-Jul. 2004  
 Thailand withdrew troops: Late-Aug. 2004  
 New Zealand withdrew troops: Late-Sep. 2004  
 Tonga withdrew troops: mid-Dec. 2004  
 Portugal withdrew troops: mid-Feb. 2005  
 Singapore withdrew troops: Mar. 2005  
 Norway withdrew troops: Oct. 2005  
 Ukraine withdrew troops: Dec. 2005  
 The Netherlands withdrew troops: Mar. 2005  
 Japan withdrew troops: Jul. 2006

Politically Britain is preparing to be able to leave within a year, 
and blame the mistakes on the US. The Americans will be there alone 
soon. A quagmire that will suck down the arrogant cowards and their 
supporters that started this whole thing.

OffWorld






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tell Democrats that terrorists are gay Republicans...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Turns out, it was all just a prank gone awry... oh well...

 X DRUDGE REPORT X THU OCT 5 2006 2:53:48 ET X
 
 CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE CHATS WERE PAGE 'PRANK GONE AWRY'
 **World Exclusive**
 **Must Credit the DRUDGE REPORT**

According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan
Edmund, the now famous lurid AOL Instant Message exchanges that led 
to
the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by
mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, the DRUDGE
REPORT can reveal.

According to one Oklahoma source who knows the former page very well,
Edmund, a conservative Republican, goaded an unwitting Foley 

ROLMAO

to type embarrassing comments that were then shared with a small 
group of young Hill politicos. The primary source, an ally of 
Edmund, adamantly proclaims that the former page is not a 
homosexual. Both are fearful that their political careers will be 
affected if they are publicly brought into the investigation.

The sources (of this attempt at damage control)...wants to remain 
anonymous...
ya.right.  How convenient. 

What is the Drudge Report?sounds like some fat blogger sits at 
home and sometimes manages to use up some of the half sized brain he 
is limited to.

OffWorld







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[FairfieldLife] War Protests Turn Ugly In Seattle'




War Protest Turns ViolentPOSTED: 5:01 pm PDT October 5,2006UPDATED: 6:04 pm PDT October 5,2006SEATTLE -- Seattle Police sprinted into the scene of a violent protest after hearing an officer calling for backup claiming they were surrounded.A crowd of protesters raced in tangling with police.Police were trying to arrest on person in a dispute over a flag, when protesters began wrestling with police.Slideshow: Police, Protestors Clash On Capitol
 HillOfficer had to take down other protesters who were grabbing onto those already arrested, KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reported.The protesters said they were provoked by police and were fighting for their flag.We were trying to protect the flag that was for our protest, and I got my hands shoved into a tree by one of the cops, one protester said.Police said they were trying to keep order when they were being shoved and punched by surrounding protestors.People in this country have been looking for a vehicle to give _expression_ to that outrage and The World Can't Wait drives at the bush regime as that vehicle," Maggie Lawless with The World Cant Wait said.Seattle is one of more than 190 communities taking part in protests today across the U.S. and Canada.   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Remember the Coalition of the Willing in Iraq?

2006-10-05 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Oct 5, 2006, at 8:00 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:

 Original levels of the Coalition of the willing in 2003 were
 ~50,000 troops. Current levels are as follows:

 1 United Kingdom  7,200
 2 South Korea  ~3,000 (~2,000 by end of 2006)
 3 Italy  1,785   (0 by Dec. 2006)
 4 Australia 1,400
 5 Poland 900  (0 by end of 2006)
 6 Romania 865
 7 Denmark 515
 8 El Salvador  380
 9 Georgia 300
 10 Azerbaijan 150
 11 Bulgaria ~150
 12 Latvia 136
 13 Mongolia 131
 14 Albania 120
 15 Slovakia 104
 16 Czech Republic  100
 17 Lithuania ~50
 18 Armenia 46

I knew we could count on Armenia for something besides rugs.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] 'TMers Win 1st Battle In Oz (Kansas)...' The Associated Press'




Kansas county backs off plan for moratorium aimed at "peace palaces"The Associated PressPublished: October 5, 2006SMITH CENTER, Kansas A rural Kansas county has backed off a plan to keep an affilaite of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and his Transcendental Meditation movement from building a dozen marble "peace palaces" on prime farmland near the geographic center of the lower 48 continantal U.S. states.The organization, called the Global Country of World Peace, bought large tracts of land in Smith County earlier this year, usetting some residents.The three-member county commission on Monday repealed a zoning moratorium passed this summer designed to "preserve the status quo while it could be determined whether zoning regulations could be used to prevent the Global Country of World Peace from using land for the purposes announced by such
 organization."There are no zoning regulations in the rural county area, although a planning commission is studying the idea. Most of rural Smith County is used for farming wheat and corn or as livestock pastures.County Attorney Allen Shelton said Thursday the commission "passed the moratorium to see if zoning could be used to keep the TMers out."He said the repeal came after the commission was told the peace group planned to file a federal lawsuit, claiming violation of its civil rights. Shelton said the group likely would have prevailed."The reason they urged the moratorium is they didn't want the Transcendental Meditation people to locate here," Shelton said. "You couldn't use zoning to exclude people for their beliefs. It's hard to think of a reason for not having an education center in the middle of the county."But County Commissioner Arthur Khulmann said the clash is not over."We lost
 this battle, but we're still hoping to win the war," he said. "We just hope there's something else down the line that hasn't came up yet."Altogether, the Maharishi wants to build 2,400 peace palaces in 250 U.S. cities. The TM movement began in the 1950s and traces its roots to India. Practitioners repeat a thought  a mantra  over and over to achieve relaxation, typically for 15 to 20 minutes every morning and evening.Supporters say TM is a technique, not a religion. But several local pastors earlier this year signed a letter to a local newspaper saying: "They are welcome, but they must understand we are competing for the eternal souls of people."SMITH CENTER, Kansas A rural Kansas county has backed off a plan to keep an affilaite of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and his Transcendental Meditation movement from building a dozen marble "peace palaces" on prime farmland near the geographic center of the lower 48 continantal
 U.S. states.The organization, called the Global Country of World Peace, bought large tracts of land in Smith County earlier this year, usetting some residents.The three-member county commission on Monday repealed a zoning moratorium passed this summer designed to "preserve the status quo while it could be determined whether zoning regulations could be used to prevent the Global Country of World Peace from using land for the purposes announced by such organization."There are no zoning regulations in the rural county area, although a planning commission is studying the idea. Most of rural Smith County is used for farming wheat and corn or as livestock pastures.County Attorney Allen Shelton said Thursday the commission "passed the moratorium to see if zoning could be used to keep the TMers out."He said the repeal came after the commission was told the peace group planned to file a federal lawsuit, claiming
 violation of its civil rights. Shelton said the group likely would have prevailed."The reason they urged the moratorium is they didn't want the Transcendental Meditation people to locate here," Shelton said. "You couldn't use zoning to exclude people for their beliefs. It's hard to think of a reason for not having an education center in the middle of the county."But County Commissioner Arthur Khulmann said the clash is not over."We lost this battle, but we're still hoping to win the war," he said. "We just hope there's something else down the line that hasn't came up yet."Altogether, the Maharishi wants to build 2,400 peace palaces in 250 U.S. cities. The TM movement began in the 1950s and traces its roots to India. Practitioners repeat a thought  a mantra  over and over to achieve relaxation, typically for 15 to 20 minutes every morning and evening.Supporters say TM is a technique, not a religion. But
 several local pastors earlier this year signed a letter to a local newspaper saying: "They are welcome, but they must understand we are competing for the eternal souls of people." 
	

	
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You pretty much nailed it. I'd only add that Matt Drudge apparently
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  What is the Drudge Report?sounds like some fat blogger
  sits at home and sometimes manages to use up some of the
  half sized brain he is limited to.
  
 You pretty much nailed it. I'd only add that Matt Drudge apparently
 also has some closet issues.

Just to add, he originally broke the Monica Lewinsky
story and is enormously influential, a right-winger
who is utterly without scruples.  A lot of the time he
posts sensationally scandalous gossip that has no 
basis in fact, but he also gets rather amazing scoops.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pulling your plonk in Iran

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  shempmcgurk wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ 
wrote:
 
   shempmcgurk wrote:
   
   Khameini: Don't masturbate during Ramadan
  
  
   Iran's supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and 
 
   other 
 
   topics on his website 
  
  
   Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders 
a 
 
   fast 
 
   invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has 
ruled. 

  
   Khameini, who is Iran's most powerful political and 
religious 
   figure, was asked on his website : If somebody masturbates 
 
   during 
 
   the month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is his 
fasting 
   invalidated? 
  
If he do not intend masturbation and discharging semen and 
 
   nothing 
 
   is discharged, his fasting is correct even though he has 
done a 
   h#803;ar#257;m (forbidden) act. But, if he intends 
 
   masturbation or he knows 
 
   that he usually discharges semen by this process and semen 
 
   really 
 
   comes out, it is a h#803;aram intentional breaking 
fasting, 
 
   the Iranian 
 
   leader said, posting the reply on his website. 
  

  
   Another reader asked: Once in the holy month of Ramadan, I 
 
   forgot 
 
   to brush my teeth, and some tiny bits of food remained in my 
 
   mouth. 
 
   I swallowed the bits unintentionally. Do I have to perform 
the 
 
   qad#803;a 
 
   (repent) for that day's fast? 
  

  
   If you did not know that some bits of food remained between 
the 
   teeth, or you did not know that they would reach the throat, 
and 
   they were swallowed unknowingly and unintentionally, then 
you 
 
   are 
 
   not liable to make (repent) of the fast, said Khameini. 
  
  

  
   'Drink water while standing'
  
   On the website, Khameini also tells Iranians that only 
jockeys 
 
   are 
 
   permitted to gamble on horse races. 
  

  
   He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man to 
marry a 
   woman only in order to be able to live in his wife's 
 
   country. Can a 
 
   man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a European 
girl 
   after getting her agreement with the purpose of going to her 
   country? A reader asked. 
  

  
   There is no problem in that if they are serious in 
contracting 
   marriage and it is done with her father's permission if she 
is 
   virgin, Khameini ruled. 
  

  
   The Iranian leader also told readers they were allowed 
to to 
 
   drink 
 
   water while standing at nights. It was not permissible to 
 
   take 
 
   part in meetings attended by both men and women, he told 
another 
   reader. 
  

  
   In Islam's view, rulers and governments exist just to serve 
 
   people 
 
   and carry out works in the interest of the public and this 
is 
 
   what 
 
   God demands us, as authorities, to fulfill, Khamenei was 
quoted 
   Tuesday telling Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. 
 
   Shemp, sometimes I think you would have been happier with 
Rajneesh 
   
   than 
 
   with Maharishi.
  
   
  
  
   If I would have been guaranteed to get some of that free 
loving that 
   was going on at that Oregon compound, I would have joined up 
in an 
   instant...
  I believe that is how they got so many people there.  I wonder 
how many 
  TM'ers and even TM teachers joined that crowd?
 
 
 The teaching never appealed to me. The free sex wasn't as 
appealing as it first seemed it 
 would be. The dancing all night was fun, however. The US facility 
was supposed to be 
 much stranger than the UK one. I should point out that I never 
wore saffron so I never got 
 any nooky.



Ahem.

Uh, Spare Egg, you were once a Rajneeshi?






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 War Protest Turns Violent




Isn't that a contradiction?

Kinda like those Muslims protesting the Pope's claim that Islam is a 
violent religion by having violent protests?






POSTED: 5:01 pm PDT October 5,2006
 UPDATED: 6:04 pm PDT October 5,2006
 SEATTLE -- Seattle Police sprinted into the scene of a violent 
protest after hearing an officer calling for backup claiming they 
were surrounded.A crowd of protesters raced in tangling with 
police.Police were trying to arrest on person in a dispute over a 
flag, when protesters began wrestling with police.Slideshow: Police, 
Protestors Clash On Capitol Hill
 Officer had to take down other protesters who were grabbing onto 
those already arrested, KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reported.The 
protesters said they were provoked by police and were fighting for 
their flag.We were trying to protect the flag that was for our 
protest, and I got my hands shoved into a tree by one of the cops, 
one protester said.Police said they were trying to keep order when 
they were being shoved and punched by surrounding protestors.People 
in this country have been looking for a vehicle to give expression 
to that outrage and `The World Can't Wait' drives at the bush regime 
as that vehicle, Maggie Lawless with The World Can't Wait 
said.Seattle is one of more than 190 communities taking part in 
protests today across the U.S. and Canada.   
 
 
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pulling your plonk in Iran

Although I've injected some humor into this article I must admit 
that there is probably some spiritual basis for the edict.

It has been my experience that when I retain semen my experiences 
during meditation are that much more profound...




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Khameini: Don't masturbate during Ramadan
 
 
 Iran's supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and other 
 topics on his website 
 
 
 Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a fast 
 invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled. 
  
 
 Khameini, who is Iran's most powerful political and religious 
 figure, was asked on his website : If somebody masturbates during 
 the month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is his fasting 
 invalidated? 
 
  If he do not intend masturbation and discharging semen and 
nothing 
 is discharged, his fasting is correct even though he has done a 
 h#803;ar#257;m (forbidden) act. But, if he intends masturbation 
or he knows 
 that he usually discharges semen by this process and semen really 
 comes out, it is a h#803;aram intentional breaking fasting, the 
Iranian 
 leader said, posting the reply on his website. 
 
  
 
 Another reader asked: Once in the holy month of Ramadan, I forgot 
 to brush my teeth, and some tiny bits of food remained in my 
mouth. 
 I swallowed the bits unintentionally. Do I have to perform the 
qad#803;a 
 (repent) for that day's fast? 
 
  
 
 If you did not know that some bits of food remained between the 
 teeth, or you did not know that they would reach the throat, and 
 they were swallowed unknowingly and unintentionally, then you are 
 not liable to make (repent) of the fast, said Khameini. 
 
 
  
 
 'Drink water while standing'
 
 On the website, Khameini also tells Iranians that only jockeys are 
 permitted to gamble on horse races. 
 
  
 
 He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man to marry a 
 woman only in order to be able to live in his wife's country. Can 
a 
 man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a European girl 
 after getting her agreement with the purpose of going to her 
 country? A reader asked. 
 
  
 
 There is no problem in that if they are serious in contracting 
 marriage and it is done with her father's permission if she is 
 virgin, Khameini ruled. 
 
  
 
 The Iranian leader also told readers they were allowed to to 
drink 
 water while standing at nights. It was not permissible to take 
 part in meetings attended by both men and women, he told another 
 reader. 
 
  
 
 In Islam's view, rulers and governments exist just to serve 
people 
 and carry out works in the interest of the public and this is what 
 God demands us, as authorities, to fulfill, Khamenei was quoted 
 Tuesday telling Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.








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  What is the Drudge Report?sounds like some fat blogger sits at 
  home and sometimes manages to use up some of the half sized brain 
he 
  is limited to.
  
 You pretty much nailed it. I'd only add that Matt Drudge apparently
 also has some closet issues.


That half sized brain changed the course of journalism in the world.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tell Democrats that terrorists are gay Republicans...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
  
  Turns out, it was all just a prank gone awry... oh well...
 
  X DRUDGE REPORT X THU OCT 5 2006 2:53:48 ET X
  
  CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE CHATS WERE PAGE 'PRANK GONE AWRY'
  **World Exclusive**
  **Must Credit the DRUDGE REPORT**
 
 According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan
 Edmund, the now famous lurid AOL Instant Message exchanges that led 
 to
 the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by
 mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, the DRUDGE
 REPORT can reveal.
 
 According to one Oklahoma source who knows the former page very well,
 Edmund, a conservative Republican, goaded an unwitting Foley 
 
 ROLMAO
 
 to type embarrassing comments that were then shared with a small 
 group of young Hill politicos. The primary source, an ally of 
 Edmund, adamantly proclaims that the former page is not a 
 homosexual. Both are fearful that their political careers will be 
 affected if they are publicly brought into the investigation.
 
 The sources (of this attempt at damage control)...wants to remain 
 anonymous...
 ya.right.  How convenient. 
 
 What is the Drudge Report?sounds like some fat blogger sits at 
 home and sometimes manages to use up some of the half sized brain he 
 is limited to.
 
 OffWorld


Drudge is kinda the anti-Josh Micah Marshall

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pulling your plonk in Iran

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
  
   shempmcgurk wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ 
 wrote:
  
shempmcgurk wrote:

Khameini: Don't masturbate during Ramadan
   
   
Iran's supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and 
  
other 
  
topics on his website 
   
   
Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders 
 a 
  
fast 
  
invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has 
 ruled. 
 
   
Khameini, who is Iran's most powerful political and 
 religious 
figure, was asked on his website : If somebody masturbates 
  
during 
  
the month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is his 
 fasting 
invalidated? 
   
 If he do not intend masturbation and discharging semen and 
  
nothing 
  
is discharged, his fasting is correct even though he has 
 done a 
h#803;ar#257;m (forbidden) act. But, if he intends 
  
masturbation or he knows 
  
that he usually discharges semen by this process and semen 
  
really 
  
comes out, it is a h#803;aram intentional breaking 
 fasting, 
  
the Iranian 
  
leader said, posting the reply on his website. 
   
 
   
Another reader asked: Once in the holy month of Ramadan, I 
  
forgot 
  
to brush my teeth, and some tiny bits of food remained in my 
  
mouth. 
  
I swallowed the bits unintentionally. Do I have to perform 
 the 
  
qad#803;a 
  
(repent) for that day's fast? 
   
 
   
If you did not know that some bits of food remained between 
 the 
teeth, or you did not know that they would reach the throat, 
 and 
they were swallowed unknowingly and unintentionally, then 
 you 
  
are 
  
not liable to make (repent) of the fast, said Khameini. 
   
   
 
   
'Drink water while standing'
   
On the website, Khameini also tells Iranians that only 
 jockeys 
  
are 
  
permitted to gamble on horse races. 
   
 
   
He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man to 
 marry a 
woman only in order to be able to live in his wife's 
  
country. Can a 
  
man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a European 
 girl 
after getting her agreement with the purpose of going to her 
country? A reader asked. 
   
 
   
There is no problem in that if they are serious in 
 contracting 
marriage and it is done with her father's permission if she 
 is 
virgin, Khameini ruled. 
   
 
   
The Iranian leader also told readers they were allowed 
 to to 
  
drink 
  
water while standing at nights. It was not permissible to 
  
take 
  
part in meetings attended by both men and women, he told 
 another 
reader. 
   
 
   
In Islam's view, rulers and governments exist just to serve 
  
people 
  
and carry out works in the interest of the public and this 
 is 
  
what 
  
God demands us, as authorities, to fulfill, Khamenei was 
 quoted 
Tuesday telling Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. 
  
Shemp, sometimes I think you would have been happier with 
 Rajneesh 

than 
  
with Maharishi.
   

   
   
If I would have been guaranteed to get some of that free 
 loving that 
was going on at that Oregon compound, I would have joined up 
 in an 
instant...
   I believe that is how they got so many people there.  I wonder 
 how many 
   TM'ers and even TM teachers joined that crowd?
  
  
  The teaching never appealed to me. The free sex wasn't as 
 appealing as it first seemed it 
  would be. The dancing all night was fun, however. The US facility 
 was supposed to be 
  much stranger than the UK one. I should point out that I never 
 wore saffron so I never got 
  any nooky.
 
 
 
 Ahem.
 
 Uh, Spare Egg, you were once a Rajneeshi?


Er, if I was, I'd have worn the saffron and got all the free nookie. The UK HQ 
for Rajneesh 
was a few miles from where I lived in the UK and they had a better dance setup 
than the 
USAF base did, so I went there instead.





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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
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  wrote:
  
   What is the Drudge Report?sounds like some fat blogger sits at 
   home and sometimes manages to use up some of the half sized brain 
 he 
   is limited to.
   
  You pretty much nailed it. I'd only add that Matt Drudge apparently
  also has some closet issues.
 
 
 That half sized brain changed the course of journalism in the world.


He's a funnel for anti-liberal rumors. Sometimes they are factual. Usually not.




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[FairfieldLife] Affirmative Action gone awry

How Not To Dismantle the Caste System 
By Jayant Bhandari 
Posted on 10/2/2006 
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According to a recent news item, the Indian government will start 
offering a dowry of INR50,000 (about US$1,100) to anyone who 
marries someone from a lower caste. This money is more than 1.5 
years of Indian per-capita GDP.

As per-capita GDP is an average, it is easy to imagine that this 
money is much more than what the majority of Indians will see in 
their lifetimes. Most cannot even imagine what this figure is.

I cannot but shudder at the social corruption this policy will cause.

This issue reminds me of my university days. I was brought up in a 
well-off family. I did my schooling in a private, missionary school. 
We all wore the same kind of uniform. And we had to sing a 
relatively secular prayer in the mornings. All this meant that our 
understanding of the caste system of India was mostly academic. This 
equanimity about the caste system did not last. After school when we 
went to the state-run university, most of us soon learned to look 
down on the lower caste  courtesy of the state.

After finishing the school, I went through an extremely competitive 
entrance examination to get admission into engineering. Those who 
gained admission were to become social heroes. I remember that the 
minimum required of the higher caste to gain admission was a score 
over 70 percent. Because of affirmative action, those of the lower 
caste had reserved seats.

Unfortunately, the state of public school education  in schools 
that often had no buildings or teachers  is so utterly bad that 
most of the lower-caste people who joined us knew close to nothing. 
Most of them had entered the university with exam scores under 10 
percent. (Even negative scores were not unheard of.)

As a part of the social engineering process, I was not to get my own 
room in the student hall of residence. I was allotted a room with 
someone from a lower caste. We had nothing in common. Even our Hindi 
was so entirely different that we hardly understood each other. My 
roommate had probably never seen a proper road or slept under a non-
thatched roof until he moved in. He certainly had no concept of gas 
cooking and was unaccustomed to the usage of electricity.

I ran from post to pillar to get someone more sophisticated and 
educated to join in my room. I wish I could have avoided hurting my 
original roommate, but I would have, eventually, anyway. I created 
all kinds of crazy stories to achieve my aim. Growing up in India, 
you learn to do this as a natural part of life. I hated the state 
for forcing me into that situation. Most of my peers began to use 
derogatory words against those from the lower caste.

There was more to come. Hardly anyone from the lower caste knew any 
English, the language for an engineering education. I soon saw that 
in the first-year class there were many more people than there were 
supposed to be. The reason is that most of the lower-caste students 
never passed. Scores of lower caste people had been there for more 
than a decade  several for twice as long. A lot of them eventually 
went back home with worse self-esteem than when they came. Many of 
those who matriculated with us were still in the first year when I 
left.

As if this were not enough, I was soon to realize that the lower-
caste people had a special privilege. Any police report by a lower 
caste person against a higher-class person meant a non-bailable 
arrest warrant even without evidence. I quickly learned that it was 
safer just to keep my distance.

My classmates who joined the state-run institutions came to realize 
that those from the lower caste were on a fast-track program from 
promotion. You junior soon became your senior.

Certain lower-caste individuals benefited from the privilege; 
collectively, their situation only got worse.

Coming back to the case of the dowry that the Indian state is 
offering, all kinds of ugly things will happen to the poor people. 
They will be pawns in the hands of politicians looking for votes. 
Poor girls will be put in positions where they will be forced to 
prostitute themselves.

Several years from now when the horrendous effect of the dowry 
start becoming visible, Indian politicians will start talking about 
all the good intentions with which they started the policy. But 
instead of abolishing it, they will fiddle with it, and the cycle of 
corruption in the society will carry on.

Fortunately, this will not come to pass.


  It's wrong 
Such a policy, were it delivered by honest public servants, would 
quickly plunge the whole of the lower caste into utter moral 
corruption. The redeeming feature is that corrupt Indian bureaucrats 
and politicians will swindle away most of this dowry. Thank 
goodness for corruption! 
Call me sexist and casteist, but really, it is the poor people that 
I care to write for. The rich look after themselves

[FairfieldLife] Coalition of the Willing in Iraq? (Yeah, yeah, yeah)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Ever wonder why you never hear about them anymore?
 
Yeah, yeah, yeah-
The war has been a total disaster of major proportions for all 
concerned-
so, what do you expect...
Well begun is half done...
Not well begun, and 'Stay the Course',
Just don't cut it Baby!
R.G.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: War Protests Turn Ugly In Seattle'

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ 
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  War Protest Turns Violent
 
 
 
 
 Isn't that a contradiction?
 
 Kinda like those Muslims protesting the Pope's claim that Islam is 
a 
 violent religion by having violent protests?


Sure is yes, I agree- But that's Seattle for ya'...
Remember Jimi Hendrix' 'Star Spangled Banner'
At that muddy mass of humanity-
of those hippy's at Woodstock-
'All those years ago...
'You said it all, but not many had ears-
All those years ago.
And y'all git the idea-
R.G.

'There must be some way out of here-
Said the Joker to the Thief,
There's too  much confusion,
I can't get no relief...

Well, now, just close the eyes...
You feel some silence, yes?
Now, get centered, yes...
And do TM, damn it!
Do it Now!, Damn it-
Get to Fairfield, Now!
Ya, here, NOW!!
YOU ARe Needed NOw.
Save the world, from terrible darkness, 
It's up to you, and you, and you;
Stand up and Be Counted!!
Uncle Sam, is not who you think he is.
Meditate, 
Imagine.
Do it.
Ask for not what you want-
Ask for what you need,and it will be given unto you...
Just open the door, and spirit does the rest.
Try it.
R.g.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 POSTED: 5:01 pm PDT October 5,2006
  UPDATED: 6:04 pm PDT October 5,2006
  SEATTLE -- Seattle Police sprinted into the scene of a violent 
 protest after hearing an officer calling for backup claiming they 
 were surrounded.A crowd of protesters raced in tangling with 
 police.Police were trying to arrest on person in a dispute over a 
 flag, when protesters began wrestling with police.Slideshow: 
Police, 
 Protestors Clash On Capitol Hill
  Officer had to take down other protesters who were grabbing onto 
 those already arrested, KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reported.The 
 protesters said they were provoked by police and were fighting for 
 their flag.We were trying to protect the flag that was for our 
 protest, and I got my hands shoved into a tree by one of the cops, 
 one protester said.Police said they were trying to keep order when 
 they were being shoved and punched by surrounding 
protestors.People 
 in this country have been looking for a vehicle to give expression 
 to that outrage and `The World Can't Wait' drives at the bush 
regime 
 as that vehicle, Maggie Lawless with The World Can't Wait 
 said.Seattle is one of more than 190 communities taking part in 
 protests today across the U.S. and Canada.   
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] They who bear cruelty