[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Nope- just a good story teller, with a desire to destroy his troubled past. I have had no troubled past Jim. You never knew me in the movement and you don't know me now. You simply made this up in an ineffectual attempt to slander me. Your ad hominem attacks only reveal your own inability to deal with the content of what I post in a rational, polite manor. Hi, I have no idea what an ad hominem From a purely linguistic point of view, ad is a Latin preposition corresponding in this context English against, I guess. The form hominem is (the weird) accusative singular from homo. The preposition ad needs the accusative case... Never thought about that, but that seems to be the case with English prepositions, too. But the accusative (English: objective) has a separate form in modern English only in the case of some pronouns, for instance At *whom* are you laughing?
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With only one post left today I knew how I would use it. I had a point by point defense for Judy's post. I was being clever (in my own mind), proving how wrong she was and how right I am! Then the two positive posts from Geezer and Vaj broke my dark trance and I was reminded why I post here. Thanks for the hand helping me out of the black hole of my own creation. I don't have to respond to people who wish me ill and always have. I need to spend my 5 on people like you guys. Much appreciated! Exactimundo. I mean, I go off and enjoy my vacation in Spain and don't post for a couple of days, and then log on today to find myself being ragged on *anyway*. Makes me wonder whether I should turn down the dial on my charisma generator. :-) Posting to FFL has become a no-brainer for me. There are a few folks here who almost *always* come up with something interesting to say and to bounce off of in a reply. I save my five posts and my energies for them. I'm not about to waste them squabbling with people who seem to be unable to contribute anything to the forum *except* squabbling. Loved your comments on Girish, agree completely. Complete creepoid, as far as I can tell. All I can say is that if there is a power struggle between him and the Bevan/Tony machine when MMY dies, the latter deserve every minute of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope- just a good story teller, with a desire to destroy his troubled past. I have had no troubled past Jim. You never knew me in the movement and you don't know me now. You simply made this up in an ineffectual attempt to slander me. Your ad hominem attacks only reveal your own inability to deal with the content of what I post in a rational, polite manor. Since when did slander become rational ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: I applaud Fairfielders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, is quite an active spiritual practice place. You looked at the directory here or seen a Fairfield Weekly Reader? Take a look down this directory. A funny thing is that many of the saints or luminaries who visit the West are facilitated by people fra here. Many national coordinators live here as members of the Fairfield meditating community. It is a pretty unique place. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/126838 -Doug in FF For instance, this week groups of folks from FF are at either Chicago, Memphis or Vail attending things with the holy: http://www.humanityinunity.org/HIU/Home/index.cfm http://www.mothermeeraashram.org/default.jsp http://www.karunamayi.org/tour/2007Memphis.shtml -Ole Gov Doug, staying in FF llundrub llundrub@ wrote: I was thinking today about the various sanghas everywhere on earth and how few have formed and remained and fought all the ravages of time and adversity to remain and still put out good peace and harmony for the universe and you guys are one of the few in contemporary times to form a small city which works still and will probably now yet remain since new blood ostensibly does still come in. These present efforts may well inspire a new generation or more of new adherents to TM and with all the other gurus there it's a real hotbed. I was still impressed by the shakti when I went there last after Katrina. And what two hundred people turned out for Rick's Ammachi dinner. That's good numbers. I couldn't get that in NOLA, or even Cali. So congratulations Fairfielders. You all are the footsteps of the Gimel as it crosses the dessert though the eye. Peace. Peace. Peace. ..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Overposting
Why mess with what already works so nicely? On May 3, 2007, at 1:17 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Judy posted 10 times today, so she joins Shemp in moderation land. No posts for her until Friday. Curtis overposted by one. Light slap on the wrist. Even though everyone but New Morning is opposed to it, I’m seriously thinking of trying the 35 posts-per-week system. You can shoot your wad in one day and we won’t hear from you for a week, or you can pace yourself. Either way, the daily average should be about the same. I overpost myself some days, and other days don’t post at all. So this way I wouldn’t violate a rule I’m supposed to enforce. If we try this, we’ll start it Friday night at midnight, so weekend warriors will have free reign. My email client (Outlook) shows me the total of posts, if I sort by posters’ names, so it won’t be hard for me to keep track of. Maybe we’ll try it for a week, then reevaluate.
[FairfieldLife] Break out your old records
This new device plays records using laser beams. At first I thought this was a joke, but it's actually legit. Soon we'll be able to play our old records in the car. ;-) (Sorry, i just liked the image of inserting an LP into the dash of my car...). Check out the price: very reasonable! http://www.elpj.com/main.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dalai Lamas on Tantra
On May 2, 2007, at 11:16 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An incredible collection: imagine a spiritual technology of total awakening spread across 14 conscious incarnations and you begin to grasp the depth. Imagine an intention aimed at the full awakening all sentience, and you have some better idea. A bodhisattva author who consciously reincarnates over centuries... Technologies of levitaton and perfect awakening. Yes, TM Sidhas shouldn't miss this one. Just got this book - it's great - some really rare stuff here including completion stage Yamantaka instructions, a rasayana text with a rare form of White Vajrayogini for life-extension, and the Tantric Yogas of Sister Niguma, which I can now see why it is selling for $100-300 as an out of print title, even though alot of Glenn's books are $7.00 on the web. For something in hardback, at this price, it is remarkable. THE DALAI LAMAS ON TANTRA trans. intro. by Glenn H. Mullin I'd rather spend my $100-300 on champagne, and I'll be flying higher than you will after reading this book, but thanks anyway. The hardback book's about 20 bucks with shipping. It *contains* the Tantric Yogas of Sister Niguma which is OOP and overpriced. Now Sister Niguma fans need not be gouged. If you know where I can get good, real champagne for 20 bucks then please let me know!
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: All I can say is that if there is a power struggle between him and the Bevan/Tony machine when MMY dies, the latter deserve every minute of it. You mean the third part of the Intro lecture -- ideal social behavior isn't true!!??? What!!!??? OMG!!??
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: With only one post left today I knew how I would use it. I had a point by point defense for Judy's post. I was being clever (in my own mind), proving how wrong she was and how right I am! Then the two positive posts from Geezer and Vaj broke my dark trance and I was reminded why I post here. Thanks for the hand helping me out of the black hole of my own creation. I don't have to respond to people who wish me ill and always have. I need to spend my 5 on people like you guys. Much appreciated! Exactimundo. I mean, I go off and enjoy my vacation in Spain and don't post for a couple of days, and then log on today to find myself being ragged on *anyway*. Makes me wonder whether I should turn down the dial on my charisma generator. :-) Posting to FFL has become a no-brainer for me. There are a few folks here who almost *always* come up with something interesting to say and to bounce off of in a reply. I save my five posts and my energies for them. I'm not about to waste them squabbling with people who seem to be unable to contribute anything to the forum *except* squabbling. Loved your comments on Girish, agree completely. Complete creepoid, as far as I can tell. All I can say is that if there is a power struggle between him and the Bevan/Tony machine when MMY dies, the latter deserve every minute of it. Judging by your picture posted here, you guys could be related, what with the same beard and all...except he looks to be a little heavier and taller. All in the family, right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dalai Lamas on Tantra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 2, 2007, at 11:16 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: An incredible collection: imagine a spiritual technology of total awakening spread across 14 conscious incarnations and you begin to grasp the depth. Imagine an intention aimed at the full awakening all sentience, and you have some better idea. A bodhisattva author who consciously reincarnates over centuries... Technologies of levitaton and perfect awakening. Yes, TM Sidhas shouldn't miss this one. Just got this book - it's great - some really rare stuff here including completion stage Yamantaka instructions, a rasayana text with a rare form of White Vajrayogini for life-extension, and the Tantric Yogas of Sister Niguma, which I can now see why it is selling for $100-300 as an out of print title, even though alot of Glenn's books are $7.00 on the web. For something in hardback, at this price, it is remarkable. THE DALAI LAMAS ON TANTRA trans. intro. by Glenn H. Mullin I'd rather spend my $100-300 on champagne, and I'll be flying higher than you will after reading this book, but thanks anyway. The hardback book's about 20 bucks with shipping. It *contains* the Tantric Yogas of Sister Niguma which is OOP and overpriced. Now Sister Niguma fans need not be gouged. If you know where I can get good, real champagne for 20 bucks then please let me know! Well it isn't French, but there are several California sparkling wines I'd recommend: Off the top of my head, Korbel Brut (9-12 bucks) and Piper Sonoma Brut (close to $20). Both really good without that cheap champagne, stuff gave me a headache taste.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Infinite_monkey_theorem and the 5 post limit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem The problem with the five post limit is that it defeats the vast possibilities for brilliant cognitions inherent in the infinite monkey theorem. The problem with the five post limit is that it is exactly what the TMO would do to avoid having a fair debate. From what I've read, most of the respondents here are of former TMO status, so it figures. What seems to be important here is not what's written, but the number of posts. Vast emptiness, nothing useful. There's a limit on the number of postings on Google Groups as well and apparently you can't reply to any posts older than sixty days. Both Yahoo and Google suck as discussion groups, in my opinion. The only way to carry on a real conversation is by using Usenet and a stand-alone newsreader like Xnews for PCs or Hogwash for Macs. Both Google and Yahoo suck up to China's rulers and their restrictions on free speech. What's up with that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Infinite_monkey_theorem and the 5 post limit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem The problem with the five post limit is that it defeats the vast possibilities for brilliant cognitions inherent in the infinite monkey theorem. jim_flanegin wrote: However if space is substituted for time in the infinite monkey theorem, the complete works of Shakespeare, all of the posts thus appearing in FFL, and in fact the entire Library of Congress a billion times over has already been typed out flawlessly, or perhaps flawlessly backwards, by the typing monkey. And I do mean actual monkeys at actual typewriters. Without white out. Wearing fezes. And pince nez. eating grapes. Honest. Very impressive, Jim. And actual monkeys are flying out your butt.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Overposting
It would be easier for you, Rick, if you informed the overposters that their posts beyond 5 or 35 would be deleted. I certainly would not get into the hassle of storing them and approving them so that 11 posts today are approved at the rate of 5 today and 5 tomorrow and 1 the next day. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy posted 10 times today, so she joins Shemp in moderation land. No posts for her until Friday. Curtis overposted by one. Light slap on the wrist. Even though everyone but New Morning is opposed to it, I'm seriously thinking of trying the 35 posts-per-week system. You can shoot your wad in one day and we won't hear from you for a week, or you can pace yourself. Either way, the daily average should be about the same. I overpost myself some days, and other days don't post at all. So this way I wouldn't violate a rule I'm supposed to enforce. If we try this, we'll start it Friday night at midnight, so weekend warriors will have free reign. My email client (Outlook) shows me the total of posts, if I sort by posters' names, so it won't be hard for me to keep track of. Maybe we'll try it for a week, then reevaluate. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Overposting
On May 3, 2007, at 7:20 AM, Vaj wrote: Why mess with what already works so nicely? On May 3, 2007, at 1:17 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Judy posted 10 times today, so she joins Shemp in moderation land. No posts for her until Friday. Curtis overposted by one. Light slap on the wrist. Even though everyone but New Morning is opposed to it, I’m seriously thinking of trying the 35 posts-per-week system. You can shoot your wad in one day and we won’t hear from you for a week, or you can pace yourself. Either way, the daily average should be about the same. I overpost myself some days, and other days don’t post at all. So this way I wouldn’t violate a rule I’m supposed to enforce. If we try this, we’ll start it Friday night at midnight, so weekend warriors will have free reign. My email client (Outlook) shows me the total of posts, if I sort by posters’ names, so it won’t be hard for me to keep track of. Maybe we’ll try it for a week, then reevaluate. Rick, I think it's a great idea. My guess is, Judy and her latest sidekick, Jim, will keep trying to start arguments with whomoever's convenient in the hopes that you will be forced to agree that the limits don't work (doesn't abolish the fighting,) and therefore give up. Hopefully you won't, but Id guess right now that's part of their deal. In that spirit, Id say the 35 post weekly limit is great--we can get all or most of Judy's/Jim's over with in a few days, and not have to deal with them the rest of the week. I hope you'll try it.___ Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dalai Lamas on Tantra
Vaj wrote: An incredible collection: imagine a spiritual technology of total awakening spread across 14 conscious incarnations and you begin to grasp the depth. Imagine an intention aimed at the full awakening all sentience, and you have some better idea. A bodhisattva author who consciously reincarnates over centuries... Maybe so, Vaj, but apparently the historical Buddha didn't teach anything about a reincarnating soul monad. What's up with that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Infinite_monkey_theorem and the 5 post limit
Duveyoung wrote: To date, I don't know how far a guzzornumplatt is. It seems quite a distance. Any help from you guys about this would be appreciated. So, you don't have all the answers. Have you ever considered subscribing to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Usenet? Your questions and comments would fit right in I think - the profundity of your posts seem to be lost on the pundits here, I think. http://tinyurl.com/yq2flr
[FairfieldLife] Re: Overposting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 3, 2007, at 7:20 AM, Vaj wrote: Why mess with what already works so nicely? On May 3, 2007, at 1:17 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Judy posted 10 times today, so she joins Shemp in moderation land. No posts for her until Friday. Curtis overposted by one. Light slap on the wrist. Even though everyone but New Morning is opposed to it, I'm seriously thinking of trying the 35 posts-per-week system. You can shoot your wad in one day and we won't hear from you for a week, or you can pace yourself. Either way, the daily average should be about the same. I overpost myself some days, and other days don't post at all. So this way I wouldn't violate a rule I'm supposed to enforce. If we try this, we'll start it Friday night at midnight, so weekend warriors will have free reign. My email client (Outlook) shows me the total of posts, if I sort by posters' names, so it won't be hard for me to keep track of. Maybe we'll try it for a week, then reevaluate. Rick, I think it's a great idea. My guess is, Judy and her latest sidekick, Jim, will keep trying to start arguments with whomoever's convenient in the hopes that you will be forced to agree that the limits don't work (doesn't abolish the fighting,) and therefore give up. Hopefully you won't, but Id guess right now that's part of their deal. In that spirit, Id say the 35 post weekly limit is great--we can get all or most of Judy's/Jim's over with in a few days, and not have to deal with them the rest of the week. I hope you'll try it.___ Sal and all this time I thought *you* were *my* sidekick Sallyagain, I refuse the power you have given me over you. Save it for Martha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Infinite_monkey_theorem and the 5 post limit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem The problem with the five post limit is that it defeats the vast possibilities for brilliant cognitions inherent in the infinite monkey theorem. jim_flanegin wrote: However if space is substituted for time in the infinite monkey theorem, the complete works of Shakespeare, all of the posts thus appearing in FFL, and in fact the entire Library of Congress a billion times over has already been typed out flawlessly, or perhaps flawlessly backwards, by the typing monkey. And I do mean actual monkeys at actual typewriters. Without white out. Wearing fezes. And pince nez. eating grapes. Honest. Very impressive, Jim. And actual monkeys are flying out your butt. Thank God for lidocaine!
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
curtisdeltablues wrote: Your ad hominem attacks only reveal your own inability to deal with the content of what I post in a rational, polite manor. jim_flanegin wrote: Color me crazy but I am leery of those who having been slavish proponents of one way of life are now hugely critical of it. Well, Jim, it does make one wonder what's up with them. If they lied for all those years, promising enlightenment in 5-7 years, why would anyone believe a thing they have to say now? There's this one guy on a.m.t that claimed to have TMO status and asserted that he had taught TM to over 5,000 people up in Utah. Then he joined the newsgroup and tried to pick a fight with Judy, trashing the TMO and Marshy to no end, for years. It would seem that these kinds of back-sliders would at least offer a public apology and refund the money to all those poor students that they lied to for all those years. But have you seen any indication that the two Barry's, Rick, or anyone else are considering giving a refund on a broken promise? I haven't - maybe I missed it. I mean, if these kinds of people believe in karma, they are surely going to hell for a long time for supporting and diseminating a dangerous cult and taking money from the poor. Apparently, the two Barry's and Rick actually worked for the TMO, and now you're saying that Curtis ran a TM Center? If what they say now is true, then they owe a lot of people an explanation. And why they keep up posting their rants here now is even more of a mystery. You'd think they would move on and like, get a life, instead of wasting time here bashing you and Judy. Go figure. Hi, I have no idea what an ad hominem attack is- sounds like some kind of early human warfare, as in the ad hominems are at it again!... in any case, I did a google search on your name and found out you've been slandering the movement for about ten years now. On the other hand, you were in charge of a TM center before that, and had a vedic wedding for christ's sake! So I don't know what to attribute that radical inconsistency to, except that it appears to me you are trying to come to grips with being vedic-lite or some such. What the hell, why not try something really unusual, like accepting what you did and who you were, and give Maharishi and Guru Dev a rest? Its creepy and irresponsible in my view. or downright ad hominem-enem-enem...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Overposting
Sally wrote: My guess is, Judy and her latest sidekick, Jim, will keep trying to start arguments with whomoever's convenient... So, Sally, your contribution to the news forum today is to pick a fight with Jim and Judy. Go figure. Rick Archer wrote: Judy posted 10 times today, so she joins Shemp in moderation land. No posts for her until Friday. Curtis overposted by one. Light slap on the wrist. Even though everyone but New Morning is opposed to it, I'm seriously thinking of trying the 35 posts-per-week system. You can shoot your wad in one day and we won't hear from you for a week, or you can pace yourself. Either way, the daily average should be about the same. I overpost myself some days, and other days don't post at all. So this way I wouldn't violate a rule I'm supposed to enforce. If we try this, we'll start it Friday night at midnight, so weekend warriors will have free reign. My email client (Outlook) shows me the total of posts, if I sort by posters' names, so it won't be hard for me to keep track of. Maybe we'll try it for a week, then reevaluate. Sally wrote: I think it's a great idea. My guess is, Judy and her latest sidekick, Jim, will keep trying to start arguments with whomoever's convenient in the hopes that you will be forced to agree that the limits don't work (doesn't abolish the fighting,) and therefore give up. Hopefully you won't, but Id guess right now that's part of their deal. In that spirit, Id say the 35 post weekly limit is great--we can get all or most of Judy's/Jim's over with in a few days, and not have to deal with them the rest of the week. I hope you'll try it.___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Infinite_monkey_theorem and the 5 post limit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duveyoung wrote: To date, I don't know how far a guzzornumplatt is. It seems quite a distance. Any help from you guys about this would be appreciated. So, you don't have all the answers. You'd be correct, Sir. But, I think there's one hiding in my backyard. If I ask just the right question, I bet I can coax the little guy out from under the bushes. He's sure to be fuzzy. All my answers are fuzzy. Edg Have you ever considered subscribing to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Usenet? Your questions and comments would fit right in I think - the profundity of your posts seem to be lost on the pundits here, I think. http://tinyurl.com/yq2flr Thanks for the suggestion -- I'll look into it
[FairfieldLife] Troubled past
I will address this to judyjim who seem to have formed a symbiotic entity of malice toward me personally. From the ages of 16 through 31 I explored the teachings of MMY. I did it with the enthusiasm and commitment that I needed to experience the states of mind his programs bring. At age 31 I began a process of re-evaluating my experiences from outside MMY's system and found those explanations to be more useful to me, and to my mind more truthful. In other words, I changed my mind due to new information and perspectives as I grew up. It was a long process and came at a cost, but it was worth it. As I have said many times, I do not regret my experiences with MMY's teachings. I gained all sorts of value from those years. But I also look at the movement and its leader's self-importance as ridiculous and a good subject for humor. Judyjim have presented a criticism of my total commitment and sincere efforts when I was a part of organization a few times here, as if following MMY's strictest programs, sidhaland and MIU was a personal failure of mine. They also point to my willingness to share my new perspective with those who were interested as if this too reveals a defect in my character. The attempt to paint my life as troubled because I was sincerely focused on MMY's teachings for 15 years, and since 1989 have expressed another point of view on his teaching, is lame. Rather then discussing ideas, it is the last resort to attempt to attack the person rather than an argument. It is the lowest form of discourse. It takes neither imagination or intellectual insight. To Judy: You have brought up the idea that when I fight back when personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice guy image. This is a contrivance of your own invention. I am not a nice guy to people who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is appropriate. I am nice to people who treat me with respect and have the ability to discuss ideas without making it a personal attack. I will always point out when a person is being rude to me or attacking me personally. Your continued hostility towards me personally speaks for itself about your personal values. I do not share them. To Jim: If you can search on my name you can search what ad hominem attacks are. Your use of them undermines any hope you may have as coming across as a thoughtful advocate of your point of view. My point of view is based on my perspective that MMY is incorrect in his understanding of human consciousness. My POV is a positive step for me in understanding my life and my experiences in the movement. For the people here who are able to discuss our various perspectives, where we differ, and where we agree, I am extremely grateful. Posting here has been a valuable asset to the evolution of my perspective and thoughts concerning MMY among other parts of life. Some of you have shared my intense interest in MMY's teachings to the point of pursuing it fulltime. You are the people I relate to best here. If MMY was correct in his understanding of human consciousness, this total commitment to achieving his goals is the most rational thing for a person to do. Likewise, if we have decided that it no longer suited our needs, it is also rational to express our growing understanding assisted by other teachers, and our own personal thinking. There are many on this group who discuss ideas in this mutually respectful way. It is a fantastic intellectual resource. That is why I post here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dalai Lamas on Tantra
On May 3, 2007, at 9:42 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: An incredible collection: imagine a spiritual technology of total awakening spread across 14 conscious incarnations and you begin to grasp the depth. Imagine an intention aimed at the full awakening all sentience, and you have some better idea. A bodhisattva author who consciously reincarnates over centuries... Maybe so, Vaj, but apparently the historical Buddha didn't teach anything about a reincarnating soul monad. What's up with that? He did transmit the kalachakra-tantra to King Suchandra in India. The kalachakra contains detailed teachings on the Spiritual Gene, which does transmigrate.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Troubled past
On May 3, 2007, at 9:19 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: To Judy: You have brought up the idea that when I fight back when personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice guy image. This is a contrivance of your own invention. I am not a nice guy to people who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is appropriate. I am nice to people who treat me with respect and have the ability to discuss ideas without making it a personal attack. I will always point out when a person is being rude to me or attacking me personally. Your continued hostility towards me personally speaks for itself about your personal values. I do not share them. Curtis, They (Judy/Jim) are simply using you since Barry has been AWOL for a few days--if they can't find someone to argue with/slander, their lives have that much less meaning. I appreciate hearing about your experiences again, but I also am pretty sure they will simply pick apart what you've said and throw it back again, as they inevitably do, since that seems to be one of the few things that give their lives meaning. Ignore them. Simply don't respond, ever, to their baiting. I know it isn't easy, slander is never easy to ignore, but it does get easier the more you do it. Both of them have serious issues that go way beyond the scope of anyone on this forum to influence in any positive way, and responding is basically enabling, since there is nothing they can't use to either start a fresh argument, or feed an old one. JM2C. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Overposting
In a message dated 5/3/07 12:17:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I’m seriously thinking of trying the 35 posts-per-week system. You can shoot your wad in one day and we won’t hear from you for a week, or you can pace yourself This plan has my vote. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past
Thanks for the breath of fresh air Sal, I needed it! Where is that lighting rod Turq anyway? I have had some very valuable email discussions with a few posters here about our experiences and perspectives on the teaching. Without the distraction of personal attacks and agendas, they have been really valuable to further my own understanding. I would welcome hearing about yours and sharing my own offline. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 3, 2007, at 9:19 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: To Judy: You have brought up the idea that when I fight back when personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice guy image. This is a contrivance of your own invention. I am not a nice guy to people who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is appropriate. I am nice to people who treat me with respect and have the ability to discuss ideas without making it a personal attack. I will always point out when a person is being rude to me or attacking me personally. Your continued hostility towards me personally speaks for itself about your personal values. I do not share them. Curtis, They (Judy/Jim) are simply using you since Barry has been AWOL for a few days--if they can't find someone to argue with/slander, their lives have that much less meaning. I appreciate hearing about your experiences again, but I also am pretty sure they will simply pick apart what you've said and throw it back again, as they inevitably do, since that seems to be one of the few things that give their lives meaning. Ignore them. Simply don't respond, ever, to their baiting. I know it isn't easy, slander is never easy to ignore, but it does get easier the more you do it. Both of them have serious issues that go way beyond the scope of anyone on this forum to influence in any positive way, and responding is basically enabling, since there is nothing they can't use to either start a fresh argument, or feed an old one. JM2C. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Commonalities R Us
Gang, About this bickering . . . Here's what's strange: all of us want more love, harmony, wisdom, clarity, freedom, breadth, passion and above almost all else, virtue. And yeah, non-attachment to those qualities too. If all of us washed up on a beach and found ourselves as suddenly in one tribe as the characters on the TV show, Lost, we'd all be dancing like tulips on a windy day -- think of the astounding luck to be marooned with others being so like-minded as we! Why, it would be a bomblisstic miracle, right? What? You'd rather be slathering Rush Limbaugh's expanse of blubber with coconut oil? Nope. I'd take you guys in less time than it takes for Superman to change clothes. I'm not going to be horrified that I'm stuck on an island with folks who have decades of drilling down into the nuances of conceptuality, who've gotten many a tee shirt, who have seen so much of the world and dined at so many philosophical eateries -- greasy spoons to four star palaces with all the fixin's. Oh, I could retire with you guys to any home for the elderly -- what a fantastic idea, eh? Think of certain folks here throwing their aluminum walkers across the room at certain others! Instant karma as the thrower screams from overextending an arthritic joint. Hee hee. (Rick Archer: hey, hey, that was your FIFTH walker thrown today!) I did a lot of traveling on the Pacific Rim, and I spent months on various business missions where I'd return to my hotel room and just be stunned that I hadn't seen one person that day who didn't have black hair or was as tall as me or who didn't like cold fish hunks on rice with a watery gruel for breakfast. Talk about anomie! I'd be walking down the street in a big city and the sidewalks would be four, five, ten people shoulder to shoulder deep. I'd scan ahead of me, and there'd be this sea of bobbing black haired heads, and every now and then, HEY, there'd be a western head bobbing above the rest of them -- seemingly to be bouncing on the surface of heads. And I would just be so happy to know the sound of one head floating! Almost like love at first sight. And, once, I met this person who I barely knew back in the States, and I didn't much care for him, but he spoke English and knew what Snap into a Slim Jim meant, and that a dog can be a friend not, you know, cuisine. Oh, the sanctuary of our sharing a Coke and Burger. Someone stop me -- this is sounding so racist! But you guys, why, I'd cross any street in China to shake your hands for the first time, and if I knew any of you were breezing through my town, my first thought would be to have lunch with you. That's an irony about Fairfield as an enclave, familiarity breeds contempt, but if I saw Bevan across an airport lounge, despite what I think he's done to my world, I think I'd go over and introduce myself. Yeah I would, and we'd be pleasant with one another, and I wouldn't mention his exploits. Hypocrisy? Yes! Better than jawing with a red-neck? That too. Bevan would be bitter herbs to gnaw, but he'd be more nutritional than Billy Joe McAllister. And if he rolled up on our island beach, covered with sand like a great big sugar encrusted doughnut, why, I think any one of us, ANY, would go over and help brush him off, get him to the shade, and then say, Wow, go figure! Of all the whales that could have beached themselves on this island, we get Bevan! Not Rush! How did God tell them apart enough to get the right one to us! What a cool mystery for all of us to dwell upon, eh? This is Fairfield Life. Shipwrecked minds washing up on a nice dry beach. Or, maybe this is Casablanca -- a sort of oasis too. After all, it is Rick's Place. Edg
RE: [FairfieldLife] Overposting
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:21 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Overposting Why mess with what already works so nicely? We can always go back to 5 a day if 35 a week doesn't work out. No harm in experimenting.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Overposting
On May 3, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:21 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Overposting Why mess with what already works so nicely? We can always go back to 5 a day if 35 a week doesn’t work out. No harm in experimenting. Sounds fun, let's try it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Overposting
lets stay as we are but for the sake of change do so for a week. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Commonalities R Us
Great post (below)! And oh so true, inasmuch as my perspective matches Edg's and any further commentary by me would be just a field of dittos. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gang, About this bickering . . . Here's what's strange: all of us want more love, harmony, wisdom, clarity, freedom, breadth, passion and above almost all else, virtue. And yeah, non-attachment to those qualities too. If all of us washed up on a beach and found ourselves as suddenly in one tribe as the characters on the TV show, Lost, we'd all be dancing like tulips on a windy day -- think of the astounding luck to be marooned with others being so like-minded as we! Why, it would be a bomblisstic miracle, right? What? You'd rather be slathering Rush Limbaugh's expanse of blubber with coconut oil? Nope. I'd take you guys in less time than it takes for Superman to change clothes. I'm not going to be horrified that I'm stuck on an island with folks who have decades of drilling down into the nuances of conceptuality, who've gotten many a tee shirt, who have seen so much of the world and dined at so many philosophical eateries -- greasy spoons to four star palaces with all the fixin's. Oh, I could retire with you guys to any home for the elderly -- what a fantastic idea, eh? Think of certain folks here throwing their aluminum walkers across the room at certain others! Instant karma as the thrower screams from overextending an arthritic joint. Hee hee. (Rick Archer: hey, hey, that was your FIFTH walker thrown today!) I did a lot of traveling on the Pacific Rim, and I spent months on various business missions where I'd return to my hotel room and just be stunned that I hadn't seen one person that day who didn't have black hair or was as tall as me or who didn't like cold fish hunks on rice with a watery gruel for breakfast. Talk about anomie! I'd be walking down the street in a big city and the sidewalks would be four, five, ten people shoulder to shoulder deep. I'd scan ahead of me, and there'd be this sea of bobbing black haired heads, and every now and then, HEY, there'd be a western head bobbing above the rest of them -- seemingly to be bouncing on the surface of heads. And I would just be so happy to know the sound of one head floating! Almost like love at first sight. And, once, I met this person who I barely knew back in the States, and I didn't much care for him, but he spoke English and knew what Snap into a Slim Jim meant, and that a dog can be a friend not, you know, cuisine. Oh, the sanctuary of our sharing a Coke and Burger. Someone stop me -- this is sounding so racist! But you guys, why, I'd cross any street in China to shake your hands for the first time, and if I knew any of you were breezing through my town, my first thought would be to have lunch with you. That's an irony about Fairfield as an enclave, familiarity breeds contempt, but if I saw Bevan across an airport lounge, despite what I think he's done to my world, I think I'd go over and introduce myself. Yeah I would, and we'd be pleasant with one another, and I wouldn't mention his exploits. Hypocrisy? Yes! Better than jawing with a red-neck? That too. Bevan would be bitter herbs to gnaw, but he'd be more nutritional than Billy Joe McAllister. And if he rolled up on our island beach, covered with sand like a great big sugar encrusted doughnut, why, I think any one of us, ANY, would go over and help brush him off, get him to the shade, and then say, Wow, go figure! Of all the whales that could have beached themselves on this island, we get Bevan! Not Rush! How did God tell them apart enough to get the right one to us! What a cool mystery for all of us to dwell upon, eh? This is Fairfield Life. Shipwrecked minds washing up on a nice dry beach. Or, maybe this is Casablanca -- a sort of oasis too. After all, it is Rick's Place. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Overposting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/3/07 12:17:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm seriously thinking of trying the 35 posts-per-week system. You can shoot your wad in one day and we won't hear from you for a week, or you can pace yourself This plan has my vote. Since we all already know who has no self control and who would thus (blessedly) take themselves out of the action within the first 24 to 36 hours of the week, this one now has my vote, too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the breath of fresh air Sal, I needed it! Where is that lighting rod Turq anyway? Trying to stay on the beach and out of this. :-) Heading back to the beach right now, in fact...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will address this to judyjim who seem to have formed a symbiotic entity of malice toward me personally. From the ages of 16 through 31 I explored the teachings of MMY. I did it with the enthusiasm and commitment that I needed to experience the states of mind his programs bring. At age 31 I began a process of re-evaluating my experiences from outside MMY's system and found those explanations to be more useful to me, and to my mind more truthful. In other words, I changed my mind due to new information and perspectives as I grew up. It was a long process and came at a cost, but it was worth it. As I have said many times, I do not regret my experiences with MMY's teachings. I gained all sorts of value from those years. But I also look at the movement and its leader's self-importance as ridiculous and a good subject for humor. Judyjim have presented a criticism of my total commitment and sincere efforts when I was a part of organization a few times here, as if following MMY's strictest programs, sidhaland and MIU was a personal failure of mine. They also point to my willingness to share my new perspective with those who were interested as if this too reveals a defect in my character. The attempt to paint my life as troubled because I was sincerely focused on MMY's teachings for 15 years, and since 1989 have expressed another point of view on his teaching, is lame. Rather then discussing ideas, it is the last resort to attempt to attack the person rather than an argument. It is the lowest form of discourse. It takes neither imagination or intellectual insight. To Judy: You have brought up the idea that when I fight back when personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice guy image. This is a contrivance of your own invention. I am not a nice guy to people who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is appropriate. I am nice to people who treat me with respect and have the ability to discuss ideas without making it a personal attack. I will always point out when a person is being rude to me or attacking me personally. Your continued hostility towards me personally speaks for itself about your personal values. I do not share them. To Jim: If you can search on my name you can search what ad hominem attacks are. Your use of them undermines any hope you may have as coming across as a thoughtful advocate of your point of view. My point of view is based on my perspective that MMY is incorrect in his understanding of human consciousness. My POV is a positive step for me in understanding my life and my experiences in the movement. For the people here who are able to discuss our various perspectives, where we differ, and where we agree, I am extremely grateful. Posting here has been a valuable asset to the evolution of my perspective and thoughts concerning MMY among other parts of life. Some of you have shared my intense interest in MMY's teachings to the point of pursuing it fulltime. You are the people I relate to best here. If MMY was correct in his understanding of human consciousness, this total commitment to achieving his goals is the most rational thing for a person to do. Likewise, if we have decided that it no longer suited our needs, it is also rational to express our growing understanding assisted by other teachers, and our own personal thinking. There are many on this group who discuss ideas in this mutually respectful way. It is a fantastic intellectual resource. That is why I post here. **end** I want to comment on this and don't really know how to, except to endorse your willingness to explore life with deep and wholehearted committment. I love that you were so totally into the movement; you and me and so many people who post here. Although my children, now adults, are so much better than me in so many ways, one thing they don't have in their lives is the experience so many of us had when we were young and young adults within the TM movement -- the unparalleled experience of being part of such a cause and such a movement, either as it actually was at the time or as we thought it to be. The posts here that express compassion and understanding, forbearance and intelligence, as well as humor and flexibility are the ones that, in my mind, most fully advance the ideals of the movement to which we all pledged allegiance when we were young. If the TMO has apparently diverged from those ideals, it is not my problem. There are many people who post here, including yourself, whom I admire greatly. Thanks. Marek
[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past
Sal, what's the meaning of your signoff acronym JM2C (below)? I'm stumped. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 3, 2007, at 9:19 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: To Judy: You have brought up the idea that when I fight back when personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice guy image. This is a contrivance of your own invention. I am not a nice guy to people who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is appropriate. I am nice to people who treat me with respect and have the ability to discuss ideas without making it a personal attack. I will always point out when a person is being rude to me or attacking me personally. Your continued hostility towards me personally speaks for itself about your personal values. I do not share them. Curtis, They (Judy/Jim) are simply using you since Barry has been AWOL for a few days--if they can't find someone to argue with/slander, their lives have that much less meaning. I appreciate hearing about your experiences again, but I also am pretty sure they will simply pick apart what you've said and throw it back again, as they inevitably do, since that seems to be one of the few things that give their lives meaning. Ignore them. Simply don't respond, ever, to their baiting. I know it isn't easy, slander is never easy to ignore, but it does get easier the more you do it. Both of them have serious issues that go way beyond the scope of anyone on this forum to influence in any positive way, and responding is basically enabling, since there is nothing they can't use to either start a fresh argument, or feed an old one. JM2C. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem that these kinds of back-sliders would at least offer a public apology and refund the money to all those poor students that they lied to for all those years. But have you seen any indication that the two Barry's, Rick, or anyone else are considering giving a refund on a broken promise? I haven't - maybe I missed it. I mean, if these kinds of people believe in karma, they are surely going to hell for a long time for supporting and diseminating a dangerous cult and taking money from the poor. Don't be silly. Why would you go to hell for engaging in activity that, at the time, seemed perfectly reasonable and in fact was quite good. It is only in hindsight that our take on a situation is different. If the intent was good, and I'm sure it was with both Rick, Curtis (both whom I know personally)and the two Barrys no bad karma can be generated. It's all in the intent. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Troubled past
Hey, you guys leave Curtis alone. We hungout together at MIU and he's quite otay in my book. If you personally knew Curtis there's no way in the world you guys would attack him or attempt to demean him. He's one of the good guys. He really is. I could give a rat's ass what the difference is between his take on the TMO/MMY, etc. and what my take is. Who cares. I could care less if he tried to deprogram me as I came out of the dome. What would it matter. We could talk about it over chapatis and tastey dahl, yum! --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will address this to judyjim who seem to have formed a symbiotic entity of malice toward me personally. From the ages of 16 through 31 I explored the teachings of MMY. I did it with the enthusiasm and commitment that I needed to experience the states of mind his programs bring. At age 31 I began a process of re-evaluating my experiences from outside MMY's system and found those explanations to be more useful to me, and to my mind more truthful. In other words, I changed my mind due to new information and perspectives as I grew up. It was a long process and came at a cost, but it was worth it. As I have said many times, I do not regret my experiences with MMY's teachings. I gained all sorts of value from those years. But I also look at the movement and its leader's self-importance as ridiculous and a good subject for humor. Judyjim have presented a criticism of my total commitment and sincere efforts when I was a part of organization a few times here, as if following MMY's strictest programs, sidhaland and MIU was a personal failure of mine. They also point to my willingness to share my new perspective with those who were interested as if this too reveals a defect in my character. The attempt to paint my life as troubled because I was sincerely focused on MMY's teachings for 15 years, and since 1989 have expressed another point of view on his teaching, is lame. Rather then discussing ideas, it is the last resort to attempt to attack the person rather than an argument. It is the lowest form of discourse. It takes neither imagination or intellectual insight. To Judy: You have brought up the idea that when I fight back when personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice guy image. This is a contrivance of your own invention. I am not a nice guy to people who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is appropriate. I am nice to people who treat me with respect and have the ability to discuss ideas without making it a personal attack. I will always point out when a person is being rude to me or attacking me personally. Your continued hostility towards me personally speaks for itself about your personal values. I do not share them. To Jim: If you can search on my name you can search what ad hominem attacks are. Your use of them undermines any hope you may have as coming across as a thoughtful advocate of your point of view. My point of view is based on my perspective that MMY is incorrect in his understanding of human consciousness. My POV is a positive step for me in understanding my life and my experiences in the movement. For the people here who are able to discuss our various perspectives, where we differ, and where we agree, I am extremely grateful. Posting here has been a valuable asset to the evolution of my perspective and thoughts concerning MMY among other parts of life. Some of you have shared my intense interest in MMY's teachings to the point of pursuing it fulltime. You are the people I relate to best here. If MMY was correct in his understanding of human consciousness, this total commitment to achieving his goals is the most rational thing for a person to do. Likewise, if we have decided that it no longer suited our needs, it is also rational to express our growing understanding assisted by other teachers, and our own personal thinking. There are many on this group who discuss ideas in this mutually respectful way. It is a fantastic intellectual resource. That is why I post here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past
On May 3, 2007, at 12:12 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: Sal, what's the meaning of your signoff acronym JM2C (below)? I'm stumped. It's a secret code, Marek--I like to keep people guessing. :) JM2C=Just my 2 cents Sal
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Comprehensive New Movement Website
From: Craig Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear All: As announced by His Excellency Dr. Peter Swan on Maharishi's Global Family Chat on May 1st, there is now a very comprehensive, up-to-date website covering every imaginable area, organization, country and media type on Maharishi's global Movement. The URL is not new, but the content is remarkably comprehensive, beautiful and inspiring. http://www.globalgoodnews.com/ Please explore the site and let your friends know about it. Jai Guru Dev Craig Shaw Internet Publicist Office of Admissions Maharishi University of Management Fairfield, IA 52557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (641) 472-7000 x4021 Fax: (641) 472-1179 Consciousness-Based education http://www.mum.edu
[FairfieldLife] Recommended Reading - Sam Harris
Note: forwarded message attached. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.---BeginMessage--- ~~ God Is Not Great By Christopher Hitchens ~~ If God intended reasonable men and women to worship Him without embarrassment, why did He create Christopher Hitchens? It was a fatal miscalculation. In God Is Not Great, Hitchens not only demonstrates that religion is man-made--and made badly--he laughs the whole monstrosity to rubble. This is a profoundly clever book, addressing the most pressing social issue of our time, by one of the finest writers in the land. Sam Harris, author of the New York Times best sellers, The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation . ~~ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.samharris.org/ ~~ Forward email http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?m=1101378562372ea=coshlnx%40yahoo.coma=1101635140212 This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Update Profile/Email Address http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=oom=1101378562372ea=coshlnx%40yahoo.comse=2743t=1101635140212lang=enreason=F Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe(TM) http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=unm=1101378562372ea=coshlnx%40yahoo.comse=2743t=1101635140212lang=enreason=F Privacy Policy: http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp Sam Harris | a href=http://www.samharris.org;www.samharris.org/a | New York | NY | 10021 ---End Message---
[FairfieldLife] Bishop Spong QA on Discussing Biblical Scholarship with Fundamentalists
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[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
---re: intent and karma: The pathway to Hell is paved with good intentions. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem that these kinds of back-sliders would at least offer a public apology and refund the money to all those poor students that they lied to for all those years. But have you seen any indication that the two Barry's, Rick, or anyone else are considering giving a refund on a broken promise? I haven't - maybe I missed it. I mean, if these kinds of people believe in karma, they are surely going to hell for a long time for supporting and diseminating a dangerous cult and taking money from the poor. Don't be silly. Why would you go to hell for engaging in activity that, at the time, seemed perfectly reasonable and in fact was quite good. It is only in hindsight that our take on a situation is different. If the intent was good, and I'm sure it was with both Rick, Curtis (both whom I know personally)and the two Barrys no bad karma can be generated. It's all in the intent. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Overposting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/3/07 12:17:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rick@ writes: I'm seriously thinking of trying the 35 posts-per-week system. You can shoot your wad in one day and we won't hear from you for a week, or you can pace yourself This plan has my vote. Since we all already know who has no self control and who would thus (blessedly) take themselves out of the action within the first 24 to 36 hours of the week, this one now has my vote, too. There was no need for you to make any reference to anyone else-that is definitely you in the role of provocateur. You could have said, simply: I vote for 35 posts per week.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Overposting
Rick Archer wrote: Judy posted 10 times today, so she joins Shemp in moderation land. No posts for her until Friday. Curtis overposted by one. Light slap on the wrist. Even though everyone but New Morning is opposed to it, I'm seriously thinking of trying the 35 posts-per-week system. You can shoot your wad in one day and we won't hear from you for a week, or you can pace yourself. Either way, the daily average should be about the same. I overpost myself some days, and other days don't post at all. So this way I wouldn't violate a rule I'm supposed to enforce. If we try this, we'll start it Friday night at midnight, so weekend warriors will have free reign. My email client (Outlook) shows me the total of posts, if I sort by posters' names, so it won't be hard for me to keep track of. Maybe we'll try it for a week, then reevaluate. You're still using Lookout! (That's what Microsofties call it). :) 35 posts per week is better than 5 a day since some people will post in spurts and may find on a certain day that they want to respond to more than 5 posts and maybe none the next day. It's the closest thing to rollover posts without the effort. By observing the way people post here I assume that the majority are somewhat computer illiterate. I notice that most post in order so if you reply to the head of the topic it may ignored but read if you post in some extending chain. Interesting paradigm that I also don't see on other groups.
[FairfieldLife] Dell to offer Linux PCs
Your next computer doesn't need to come with Windows Vista o1r be an overpriced Mac. At least one major manufacturer will be offering Linux as an alternative. Dell will begin shipping PC's with Ubuntu 7.04 at the end of May: http://news.com.com/Dell+picks+Ubuntu+for+Linux+PCs/2100-7344_3-6180419.html I'm currently running Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) and find it a very solid OS. I've also played a bit with a Vista machine and found Vista to be very clunky. In an attempt to be different yet secure it seems very unintuitive and annoying which will confound the average user. Maybe Microsoft should have named Windows Waterloo. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Break out your old records
Vaj wrote: This new device plays records using laser beams. At first I thought this was a joke, but it's actually legit. Soon we'll be able to play our old records in the car. ;-) (Sorry, i just liked the image of inserting an LP into the dash of my car...). Check out the price: very reasonable! http://www.elpj.com/main.html I'll take 3. :) I seem to remember that some experimenters were developing a system where you could scan your old vinyl records and software would play them. I wonder what ever happened with that? That could really be a reasonably priced system.
[FairfieldLife] Prez candidate Romney's favorite book
What books did Romney claim as his favorites? The Bible is his favorite book. His favorite novel is Battlefield Earth by L. Ron Hubbard, the science-fiction writer and Scientology founder. The first we would have expected, but the second is so wacky, it breathes new life into the tired old reporter's trope: There must be something we can learn about Romney by examining this answer. For those of you who didn't study it in school, Battlefield Earth takes place in the year 3000, when the human race is nearly extinct and the planet stripped of its natural resources. Mankind has been enslaved by evil aliens with very bad breath that explodes when it comes into contact with radioactive material. A young slave wielding lasers and draped in a tennis cardigan leads a rebellion and retakes Earth, only to be attacked again by a series of foes including a race of interstellar bankers trying to collect on bad debts. (There may be kung-fu fights and a championship football game, too; I confess that I haven't read it all.) Everything about the book is bad. Just a few sentences into the first page, you're confronted by this sentence: Terl could not have produced a more profound effect had he thrown a meat-girl naked into the middle of the room. (A clothed meat-girl apparently gets a big yawn.) Hubbard's soundtrack for the book, when played, either attracts mice or repels dogs, or both. The movie, which starred John Travolta, is what therapists show to the producers of Ishtar and Glitter to help them feel good. The whole tumbling horror of the Battlefield Earth experience is so profound it nearly comes out the other side and achieves a kind of perfection of awfulness. Is Romney being ironic, then, like those people who buy clown art? Unlikely. There's not a big irony bloc in the GOP and Battlefield Earth is a thousand-page book. No one can sustain irony for that long. (At 13,000 words per dollar it is a great value, though, which might appeal to notoriously frugal New Hampshire voters.) Romney was quick to point out that he disagreed with Scientology, so he wasn't going for that vote, or the smaller, untapped, creepy-Hubbard-ascot-fetish vote. Is Romney trying to act like he's a regular guy? Only 8 percent of the words in the book are considered complex, so he can't be labeled an elitist, but no one trying to look like a common Joe would pick this book. You simply need a deep level of weird to like Battlefield Earth. The speed with which some of his aides tried to distance the governor from his remarks suggests they think he now looks a little too weird. http://www.slate.com/id/2165373?nav=tap3
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dalai Lamas on Tantra
Maybe so, Vaj, but apparently the historical Buddha didn't teach anything about a reincarnating soul monad. What's up with that? Vaj wrote: He did transmit the kalachakra-tantra to King Suchandra in India. Apparently the historical Buddha wrote nothing and even the langauge he spoke is no longer extant. All the sayings of Gautama were written down hundreds of years later in the Pali language. There's no evidence that Shakya the Muni spoke or understood any Tibetan, Sanskrit, Urdu or any other common prakrit. The kalachakra contains detailed teachings on the Spiritual Gene, which does transmigrate. There's no evidence that the historical Buddha had anything to do with the so-called kalachakra, which isn't even present in Indian literature until two thousand years after the Buddha's passing. There's not even any historical evidence that there was ever a 'King Suchandra' in India. You must be talking about Mahayana Buddhism, not the original teachings of Gautama. The historical Buddha taught Causation, the Four Noble Truths, the Twelvefold Chain of Causation, and the Middle Way - he had nothing to say about a reincarnating soul monad.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
It would seem that these kinds of back-sliders would at least offer a public apology and refund the money to all those poor students that they lied to for all those years. But have you seen any indication that the two Barry's, Rick, or anyone else are considering giving a refund on a broken promise? I haven't - maybe I missed I mean, if these kinds of people believe in karma, they are surely going to hell for a long time for supporting and diseminating a dangerous cult and taking money from the poor. Don't be silly. Why would you go to hell for engaging in activity that, at the time, seemed perfectly reasonable and in fact was quite good. There's nothing good about the intention to tell people that they would reach enlightenment in 5-7 years, when any intelligent person would know that's not going to happen. You're not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get, is the truth. It is only in hindsight that our take on a situation is different. If the intent was good, and I'm sure it was with both Rick, Curtis (both whom I know personally) and the two Barrys no bad karma can be generated. It's all in the intent. So, I didn't miss your apology. You mislead the poor people when you promised them enlightenment in 5-7 years, so just return their money, and say you're sorry. You did keep a list of their names, right? You keep a list of your current patient's names and you'd refund their money if you told them some crap about repeating the nick-names of the Hindu demi-Gods to avoid neurosis, right? But, why should anyone believe a thing you have to say now after misleading them for all those years - that's the question you didn't answer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
-- re: intent and karma: The pathway to Hell is paved with good intentions. coshlnx wrote: Don't be silly. Why would you go to hell for engaging in activity that, at the time, seemed perfectly reasonable and in fact was quite good. if it was in fact good, then your karma is good too. It is only in hindsight that our take on a situation is different. Nature doesnt waste time on our ambiguities. If the past action was not good in hindsight then it was not good, period. you better make up your mind, was it good or not, nature only has one opinion. If the intent was good, and I'm sure it was with both Rick, Curtis (both whom I know personally)and the two Barrys no bad karma can be generated. It's all in the intent. ummm, your understanding of karma is completely backwards! to think it is all in the intent is quite naive. its all about the action taken: karma literally means action, and by extension the re-action it generates. we only -hope- that misguided thinking bestows some mitigating mercy factor, but what you do (for whatever reason) is what makes your karma btw, thats exactly the meaning of the warning in the title, (which you dont agree with): the road to hell (ie, the return of bad karma), is paved with good intentions (ie, because that isnt what matters, fool) sorry to be such a hardass, but Nature is pretty fierce (Kali); you cant undo your past ... but, make alotta good karma now to balance past mistakes!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommended Reading - Sam Harris
Hutchens was on the Daily show a few days ago. Came off as an alcholic with a grudge. But he did have some interesting things to say. Given Hitchen's cheerleader attitude towards the Iraq war I am afraid he may give atheism a bad name. I like Sam Harris quite a bit though. It may be a good read. s.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bee myths
In a message dated 5/2/07 6:11:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I heard a bee-keeper on the radio today who thinks it might be a type of mite, which weakens the bees immune system. They have been dealing with them for years, but he thought that maybe the beekepers had not treated the bees for the mite as much as they are supposed to. He said it will become clearer in about 6 months, if it is the mite or not. He thought the cell-phone idea was nonsense. OffWorld _Deserted beehives, starving young stun scientists - USATODAY.com_ (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-04-30-honeybees_N.htm?csp=34) I get my bees from the Weaver fellow mentioned in this article and they all seem to be healthy , happy and proliferating at this time. They are the Buckfast strain, bread by monks from the Buckfast monastery in England and are mite resistant. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Overposting
On May 3, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Kenny H wrote: Since we all already know who has no self control and who would thus (blessedly) take themselves out of the action within the first 24 to 36 hours of the week, this one now has my vote, too. There was no need for you to make any reference to anyone else-that is definitely you in the role of provocateur. You could have said, simply: I vote for 35 posts per week. At least he didn't say, some people... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Fukin' hell !......Does Bill Mayer meditate or what ?
A very cool customer with a lot of coherence. ??? http://youtube.com/watch?v=ABSZKnK_i_Q
[FairfieldLife] Re: Commonalities R Us
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a lot of traveling on the Pacific Rim, and I spent months on various business missions where I'd return to my hotel room and just be stunned that I hadn't seen one person that day who didn't have black hair or was as tall as me or who didn't like cold fish hunks on rice with a watery gruel for breakfast. Talk about anomie! I'd be walking down the street in a big city and the sidewalks would be four, five, ten people shoulder to shoulder deep. I'd scan ahead of me, and there'd be this sea of bobbing black haired heads, and every now and then, HEY, there'd be a western head bobbing above the rest of them -- seemingly to be bouncing on the surface of heads. And I would just be so happy to know the sound of one head floating! Almost like love at first sight. And, once, I met this person who I barely knew back in the States, and I didn't much care for him, but he spoke English and knew what Snap into a Slim Jim meant, and that a dog can be a friend not, you know, cuisine. Oh, the sanctuary of our sharing a Coke and Burger. Someone stop me -- this is sounding so racist! I lived and taught in Asia for over a year. And lost western identity in a way. I would come home at night and when brushing my teeth see face the mirror, it would sometimes make me jump in shock -- fair complexion, blondsish hair, green eyes -- who was this odd looking person? And upon seeing westerners, sometimes I would be shocked at the missing inherent, sweetness, kindness and grace often so common in the interactions of my acquanintances of locals.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--The five years was possibly influenced by Jerry Jarvis, since it took him 5 years to reach CC (he said that's how long it took him) in a 1967 lecture) at UCLA. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem that these kinds of back-sliders would at least offer a public apology and refund the money to all those poor students that they lied to for all those years. But have you seen any indication that the two Barry's, Rick, or anyone else are considering giving a refund on a broken promise? I haven't - maybe I missed I mean, if these kinds of people believe in karma, they are surely going to hell for a long time for supporting and diseminating a dangerous cult and taking money from the poor. Don't be silly. Why would you go to hell for engaging in activity that, at the time, seemed perfectly reasonable and in fact was quite good. There's nothing good about the intention to tell people that they would reach enlightenment in 5-7 years, when any intelligent person would know that's not going to happen. You're not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get, is the truth. It is only in hindsight that our take on a situation is different. If the intent was good, and I'm sure it was with both Rick, Curtis (both whom I know personally) and the two Barrys no bad karma can be generated. It's all in the intent. So, I didn't miss your apology. You mislead the poor people when you promised them enlightenment in 5-7 years, so just return their money, and say you're sorry. You did keep a list of their names, right? You keep a list of your current patient's names and you'd refund their money if you told them some crap about repeating the nick-names of the Hindu demi-Gods to avoid neurosis, right? But, why should anyone believe a thing you have to say now after misleading them for all those years - that's the question you didn't answer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past
Re: Curtis M., Yes, Peter, Curtis is wonderful. He has marvelous talent and charm. His posts on FFL create spontaneous outbursts of laughter. On the other hand I would appreciate him more were I not to get the sense that he traded one messianic mission for another in 1989, and since then, and including today, is recruiting for the new mission. It seems that if one is embarrassed, one would minimize attention to one's poor judgement, rather than shout from the rooftop. The gamble Curtis takes is that we will absolve him from personal responsibility for his choices, and place all responsibility for his misspent years at the feet of MMY and his movement. Sorry, I'm not buying. Luv ya, still, Curtis. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, you guys leave Curtis alone. We hungout together at MIU and he's quite otay in my book. If you personally knew Curtis there's no way in the world you guys would attack him or attempt to demean him. He's one of the good guys. He really is. I could give a rat's ass what the difference is between his take on the TMO/MMY, etc. and what my take is. Who cares. I could care less if he tried to deprogram me as I came out of the dome. What would it matter. We could talk about it over chapatis and tastey dahl, yum! --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will address this to judyjim who seem to have formed a symbiotic entity of malice toward me personally. From the ages of 16 through 31 I explored the teachings of MMY. I did it with the enthusiasm and commitment that I needed to experience the states of mind his programs bring. At age 31 I began a process of re-evaluating my experiences from outside MMY's system and found those explanations to be more useful to me, and to my mind more truthful. In other words, I changed my mind due to new information and perspectives as I grew up. It was a long process and came at a cost, but it was worth it. As I have said many times, I do not regret my experiences with MMY's teachings. I gained all sorts of value from those years. But I also look at the movement and its leader's self-importance as ridiculous and a good subject for humor. Judyjim have presented a criticism of my total commitment and sincere efforts when I was a part of organization a few times here, as if following MMY's strictest programs, sidhaland and MIU was a personal failure of mine. They also point to my willingness to share my new perspective with those who were interested as if this too reveals a defect in my character. The attempt to paint my life as troubled because I was sincerely focused on MMY's teachings for 15 years, and since 1989 have expressed another point of view on his teaching, is lame. Rather then discussing ideas, it is the last resort to attempt to attack the person rather than an argument. It is the lowest form of discourse. It takes neither imagination or intellectual insight. To Judy: You have brought up the idea that when I fight back when personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice guy image. This is a contrivance of your own invention. I am not a nice guy to people who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is appropriate. I am nice to people who treat me with respect and have the ability to discuss ideas without making it a personal attack. I will always point out when a person is being rude to me or attacking me personally. Your continued hostility towards me personally speaks for itself about your personal values. I do not share them. To Jim: If you can search on my name you can search what ad hominem attacks are. Your use of them undermines any hope you may have as coming across as a thoughtful advocate of your point of view. My point of view is based on my perspective that MMY is incorrect in his understanding of human consciousness. My POV is a positive step for me in understanding my life and my experiences in the movement. For the people here who are able to discuss our various perspectives, where we differ, and where we agree, I am extremely grateful. Posting here has been a valuable asset to the evolution of my perspective and thoughts concerning MMY among other parts of life. Some of you have shared my intense interest in MMY's teachings to the point of pursuing it fulltime. You are the people I relate to best here. If MMY was correct in his understanding of human consciousness, this total commitment to achieving his goals is the most rational thing for a person to do. Likewise, if we have decided that it no longer suited our needs, it is also rational to express our growing understanding assisted by other teachers, and our own personal thinking. There are many on this group who
[FairfieldLife] Re: Overposting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/3/07 12:17:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rick@ writes: I'm seriously thinking of trying the 35 posts-per-week system. You can shoot your wad in one day and we won't hear from you for a week, or you can pace yourself This plan has my vote. Since we all already know who has no self control and who would thus (blessedly) take themselves out of the action within the first 24 to 36 hours of the week, this one now has my vote, too. And hey, it could be way worse. Not only did the monkeys produce nothing but five pages consisting largely of the letter S, the lead male began by bashing the hell out of the keyboard with a stone, and the monkeys continued by urinating and defecating on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past
First to Pete: Thanks man. You have always been a positive vibe in my life. I miss our lunches at MIU. To Main: I think you missed my point about my years in TM. I need no absolution and don't even think of it as a poor judgement. I joined TM when I was 16 and was fulltime by 18. How fantastic was your judgement at that age? Of the options I had at the time, I could have done much worse. If I had my druthers I might not have stayed in so long, but who can run their life on hindsight? I had a blast and am happy that I put the pedal to the metal and gave it my all. Changing perspectives as we grow is natural, right? Just because I don't hold my mystical experiences in the same value weight I once did, doesn't mean I am not glad I had them. It helps me understand a lot of things about history. I just don't need to keep experiencing them. This is a personal choice. I have nothing to sell. I will always be exressive of my perspecive on the world. I have plenty of people in my life who share it, and plenty who do not, just as it should be. No misspent years my friend. Just another pilgram following his heart, just like you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Curtis M., Yes, Peter, Curtis is wonderful. He has marvelous talent and charm. His posts on FFL create spontaneous outbursts of laughter. On the other hand I would appreciate him more were I not to get the sense that he traded one messianic mission for another in 1989, and since then, and including today, is recruiting for the new mission. It seems that if one is embarrassed, one would minimize attention to one's poor judgement, rather than shout from the rooftop. The gamble Curtis takes is that we will absolve him from personal responsibility for his choices, and place all responsibility for his misspent years at the feet of MMY and his movement. Sorry, I'm not buying. Luv ya, still, Curtis. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey, you guys leave Curtis alone. We hungout together at MIU and he's quite otay in my book. If you personally knew Curtis there's no way in the world you guys would attack him or attempt to demean him. He's one of the good guys. He really is. I could give a rat's ass what the difference is between his take on the TMO/MMY, etc. and what my take is. Who cares. I could care less if he tried to deprogram me as I came out of the dome. What would it matter. We could talk about it over chapatis and tastey dahl, yum! --- curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I will address this to judyjim who seem to have formed a symbiotic entity of malice toward me personally. From the ages of 16 through 31 I explored the teachings of MMY. I did it with the enthusiasm and commitment that I needed to experience the states of mind his programs bring. At age 31 I began a process of re-evaluating my experiences from outside MMY's system and found those explanations to be more useful to me, and to my mind more truthful. In other words, I changed my mind due to new information and perspectives as I grew up. It was a long process and came at a cost, but it was worth it. As I have said many times, I do not regret my experiences with MMY's teachings. I gained all sorts of value from those years. But I also look at the movement and its leader's self-importance as ridiculous and a good subject for humor. Judyjim have presented a criticism of my total commitment and sincere efforts when I was a part of organization a few times here, as if following MMY's strictest programs, sidhaland and MIU was a personal failure of mine. They also point to my willingness to share my new perspective with those who were interested as if this too reveals a defect in my character. The attempt to paint my life as troubled because I was sincerely focused on MMY's teachings for 15 years, and since 1989 have expressed another point of view on his teaching, is lame. Rather then discussing ideas, it is the last resort to attempt to attack the person rather than an argument. It is the lowest form of discourse. It takes neither imagination or intellectual insight. To Judy: You have brought up the idea that when I fight back when personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice guy image. This is a contrivance of your own invention. I am not a nice guy to people who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is appropriate. I am nice to people who treat me with respect and have the ability to discuss ideas without making it a personal attack. I will always point out when a person is being rude to me or attacking me personally. Your continued
[FairfieldLife] Thursday's Overposting
Richard Williams (who's Yahoo ID is WillyTex but who resents being called WillyTex) posted 8 times today and is now on moderated status. He can do two tomorrow. Shemp has 9 posts waiting in the queue. Starting tomorrow (Friday) night at midnight we'll go on the 35-posts-per-week system. With the new system, those on moderated status will be taken off it at first, but put back on if they violate it. People will be responsible for keeping track of how many times they've posted. I'll try to notify them if they've gone over, and will moderate them if they persist in posting. We won't save excess posts in the queue. Too much administrative work. I'm really not a control freak, and sounding like one is distasteful. Just trying to make things clear and as simple as possible.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past
With all due respect, what the f*ck are you talking about? I see no messianic mission. I don't see him attempting to convert people. Convert them to what? Do you know Curtis at all? --- mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Curtis M., Yes, Peter, Curtis is wonderful. He has marvelous talent and charm. His posts on FFL create spontaneous outbursts of laughter. On the other hand I would appreciate him more were I not to get the sense that he traded one messianic mission for another in 1989, and since then, and including today, is recruiting for the new mission. It seems that if one is embarrassed, one would minimize attention to one's poor judgement, rather than shout from the rooftop. The gamble Curtis takes is that we will absolve him from personal responsibility for his choices, and place all responsibility for his misspent years at the feet of MMY and his movement. Sorry, I'm not buying. Luv ya, still, Curtis. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, you guys leave Curtis alone. We hungout together at MIU and he's quite otay in my book. If you personally knew Curtis there's no way in the world you guys would attack him or attempt to demean him. He's one of the good guys. He really is. I could give a rat's ass what the difference is between his take on the TMO/MMY, etc. and what my take is. Who cares. I could care less if he tried to deprogram me as I came out of the dome. What would it matter. We could talk about it over chapatis and tastey dahl, yum! --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will address this to judyjim who seem to have formed a symbiotic entity of malice toward me personally. From the ages of 16 through 31 I explored the teachings of MMY. I did it with the enthusiasm and commitment that I needed to experience the states of mind his programs bring. At age 31 I began a process of re-evaluating my experiences from outside MMY's system and found those explanations to be more useful to me, and to my mind more truthful. In other words, I changed my mind due to new information and perspectives as I grew up. It was a long process and came at a cost, but it was worth it. As I have said many times, I do not regret my experiences with MMY's teachings. I gained all sorts of value from those years. But I also look at the movement and its leader's self-importance as ridiculous and a good subject for humor. Judyjim have presented a criticism of my total commitment and sincere efforts when I was a part of organization a few times here, as if following MMY's strictest programs, sidhaland and MIU was a personal failure of mine. They also point to my willingness to share my new perspective with those who were interested as if this too reveals a defect in my character. The attempt to paint my life as troubled because I was sincerely focused on MMY's teachings for 15 years, and since 1989 have expressed another point of view on his teaching, is lame. Rather then discussing ideas, it is the last resort to attempt to attack the person rather than an argument. It is the lowest form of discourse. It takes neither imagination or intellectual insight. To Judy: You have brought up the idea that when I fight back when personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice guy image. This is a contrivance of your own invention. I am not a nice guy to people who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is appropriate. I am nice to people who treat me with respect and have the ability to discuss ideas without making it a personal attack. I will always point out when a person is being rude to me or attacking me personally. Your continued hostility towards me personally speaks for itself about your personal values. I do not share them. To Jim: If you can search on my name you can search what ad hominem attacks are. Your use of them undermines any hope you may have as coming across as a thoughtful advocate of your point of view. My point of view is based on my perspective that MMY is incorrect in his understanding of human consciousness. My POV is a positive step for me in understanding my life and my experiences in the movement. For the people here who are able to discuss our various perspectives, where we differ, and where we agree, I am extremely grateful. Posting here has been a valuable asset to the evolution of my perspective and thoughts concerning MMY among other parts of life. Some of you have shared my intense interest in MMY's teachings to the point of pursuing it fulltime. You are the people I relate to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --The five years was possibly influenced by Jerry Jarvis, since it took him 5 years to reach CC (he said that's how long it took him) in a 1967 lecture) at UCLA. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem that these kinds of back-sliders would at least offer a public apology and refund the money to all those poor students that they lied to for all those years. But have you seen any indication that the two Barry's, Rick, or anyone else are considering giving a refund on a broken promise? I haven't - maybe I missed I mean, if these kinds of people believe in karma, they are surely going to hell for a long time for supporting and diseminating a dangerous cult and taking money from the poor. Don't be silly. Why would you go to hell for engaging in activity that, at the time, seemed perfectly reasonable and in fact was quite good. There's nothing good about the intention to tell people that they would reach enlightenment in 5-7 years, when any intelligent person would know that's not going to happen. You're not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get, is the truth. It is only in hindsight that our take on a situation is different. If the intent was good, and I'm sure it was with both Rick, Curtis (both whom I know personally) and the two Barrys no bad karma can be generated. It's all in the intent. So, I didn't miss your apology. You mislead the poor people when you promised them enlightenment in 5-7 years, so just return their money, and say you're sorry. You did keep a list of their names, right? You keep a list of your current patient's names and you'd refund their money if you told them some crap about repeating the nick-names of the Hindu demi-Gods to avoid neurosis, right? But, why should anyone believe a thing you have to say now after misleading them for all those years - that's the question you didn't answer. Richard, i don't know where to even start to respond to you To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past
;-) --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First to Pete: Thanks man. You have always been a positive vibe in my life. I miss our lunches at MIU. To Main: I think you missed my point about my years in TM. I need no absolution and don't even think of it as a poor judgement. I joined TM when I was 16 and was fulltime by 18. How fantastic was your judgement at that age? Of the options I had at the time, I could have done much worse. If I had my druthers I might not have stayed in so long, but who can run their life on hindsight? I had a blast and am happy that I put the pedal to the metal and gave it my all. Changing perspectives as we grow is natural, right? Just because I don't hold my mystical experiences in the same value weight I once did, doesn't mean I am not glad I had them. It helps me understand a lot of things about history. I just don't need to keep experiencing them. This is a personal choice. I have nothing to sell. I will always be exressive of my perspecive on the world. I have plenty of people in my life who share it, and plenty who do not, just as it should be. No misspent years my friend. Just another pilgram following his heart, just like you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Curtis M., Yes, Peter, Curtis is wonderful. He has marvelous talent and charm. His posts on FFL create spontaneous outbursts of laughter. On the other hand I would appreciate him more were I not to get the sense that he traded one messianic mission for another in 1989, and since then, and including today, is recruiting for the new mission. It seems that if one is embarrassed, one would minimize attention to one's poor judgement, rather than shout from the rooftop. The gamble Curtis takes is that we will absolve him from personal responsibility for his choices, and place all responsibility for his misspent years at the feet of MMY and his movement. Sorry, I'm not buying. Luv ya, still, Curtis. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey, you guys leave Curtis alone. We hungout together at MIU and he's quite otay in my book. If you personally knew Curtis there's no way in the world you guys would attack him or attempt to demean him. He's one of the good guys. He really is. I could give a rat's ass what the difference is between his take on the TMO/MMY, etc. and what my take is. Who cares. I could care less if he tried to deprogram me as I came out of the dome. What would it matter. We could talk about it over chapatis and tastey dahl, yum! --- curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I will address this to judyjim who seem to have formed a symbiotic entity of malice toward me personally. From the ages of 16 through 31 I explored the teachings of MMY. I did it with the enthusiasm and commitment that I needed to experience the states of mind his programs bring. At age 31 I began a process of re-evaluating my experiences from outside MMY's system and found those explanations to be more useful to me, and to my mind more truthful. In other words, I changed my mind due to new information and perspectives as I grew up. It was a long process and came at a cost, but it was worth it. As I have said many times, I do not regret my experiences with MMY's teachings. I gained all sorts of value from those years. But I also look at the movement and its leader's self-importance as ridiculous and a good subject for humor. Judyjim have presented a criticism of my total commitment and sincere efforts when I was a part of organization a few times here, as if following MMY's strictest programs, sidhaland and MIU was a personal failure of mine. They also point to my willingness to share my new perspective with those who were interested as if this too reveals a defect in my character. The attempt to paint my life as troubled because I was sincerely focused on MMY's teachings for 15 years, and since 1989 have expressed another point of view on his teaching, is lame. Rather then discussing ideas, it is the last resort to attempt to attack the person rather than an argument. It is the lowest form of discourse. It takes neither imagination or intellectual insight. To Judy: You have brought up the idea that when I fight back when personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice guy image. This is a contrivance of your own invention. I am not a nice guy to people who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is appropriate. I am nice
[FairfieldLife] Ted Dreier, Black Mountain College, and MUM
Amidweeks of local celebrations and commemorations of Black Mountain College, coinciding with the release of a documentary film on the College, the following letter regarding Ted Dreier, MUM, and BMC was published in the May 2 print issue of the Mountain Xpress. Global Country of World Peace owns 700 acres of land bordering the property where Black Mountain College was foundedon the very same mountain. Black Mountain College comes full circle Many years after the doors of Black Mountain College closed forever, the schools cofounder Theodore Dreier became founding trustee of another cutting-edge educational institution. Dr. Dreier pursued his dream of a holistic approach to higher education by joining with the founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, to create Maharishi International University. As with BMC, there was little national publicity surrounding this new university when it began in 1973 in Santa Barbara, Calif.; however, MIUrenamed Maharishi University of Management, now an accredited, liberal-arts university in Fairfield, Iowasoon became recognized as one of the most progressive universities in the world. Once again, Dr. Dreier was at the center of experimental education. He believed that the aspiration of Black Mountain College to develop the whole student found fulfillment in the consciousness-based approach of MUM, where students and faculty practice the Transcendental Meditation program and learn, not only through class work and book study, but also by fathoming the unlimited creativity and intelligence of their consciousness. During his years at MUM, Dr. Dreier could be found participating in group TM practice and yogic flying in MUMs golden domesimilar to Buckminster Fullers prototype of the geodesic dome built at Black Mountain. Today, the Dreier Building on MUM campus is the first college building in the world designed in the architectural style of sthapatya veda, which harmonizes the influences of sun, moon and stars using mathematically derived proportions, orientation and dimensions. Due in part to Dr. Dreiers influence, MUM is a current-day incarnation of Black Mountain College, offering workshops on green building and organic farming; hosting events such as avant-gardefilmmaker David Lynchs upcoming conference on Consciousness, Creativity and the Brain; and showcasing the work of physicist Dr. John Hagelin, whose unified-field theory of consciousness is transforming our understanding of the unified field and its connection to human consciousness. Dr. Dreiers vision lives on as schools across the nation introduce consciousness-based education in their curriculum. To bring the dream of Black Mountain College full circle, the land adjacent to the very mountain where Theodore Dreier and John Andrew Rice founded the college is now set to become the new home for one of Maharishis consciousness-based education programs. If the gentle, humble and brilliant Dr. Dreier were around today, he would be proud that the spirit of Black Mountain College thrives in Western North Carolina. Tom Ball Marshall Global Country of World Peace offering The Transcendental Meditation Program 297 Country Cove Lane Marshall, NC 28753 828-649-9781 www.tm.org Picture 23.png
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ted Dreier, Black Mountain College, and MUM
I teach a class based on the central work in the world of graphic design in the 20th centurythat of Joseph Albers, who participated in the phenomenal Bauhaus in Germany and its MASSIVE influence still felt today...and who joined Black Mountain College, co-founded by Ted Drier, and I get a small kick out of telling the students that I lived 2 doors down from one of the co-founders. You may have no idea of the incredible significance and influence of the Bauhaus and Albers until you have studied it in depth. It truly is a topic in which the wholeness is more than the sum of the parts, and hard to express in a post. I could write a book on the details of the significance of this whole transition from Nazi Germany to their closing of the Bauhaus and the resultant emmigration to US of many members, and the huge influence they had on American culture, and in turn, the huge influence back to European culture. A vast and profound topic, and this guy Ted Drier was right there with the top movers and shakers. Wish I had known more then, and talked to him more before he died. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amidweeks of local celebrations and commemorations of Black Mountain College, coinciding with the release of a documentary film on the College, the following letter regarding Ted Dreier, MUM, and BMC was published in the May 2 print issue of the Mountain Xpress. Global Country of World Peace owns 700 acres of land bordering the property where Black Mountain College was foundedon the very same mountain. Black Mountain College comes full circle Many years after the doors of Black Mountain College closed forever, the schools cofounder Theodore Dreier became founding trustee of another cutting-edge educational institution. Dr. Dreier pursued his dream of a holistic approach to higher education by joining with the founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, to create Maharishi International University. As with BMC, there was little national publicity surrounding this new university when it began in 1973 in Santa Barbara, Calif.; however, MIUrenamed Maharishi University of Management, now an accredited, liberal-arts university in Fairfield, Iowasoon became recognized as one of the most progressive universities in the world. Once again, Dr. Dreier was at the center of experimental education. He believed that the aspiration of Black Mountain College to develop the whole student found fulfillment in the consciousness-based approach of MUM, where students and faculty practice the Transcendental Meditation program and learn, not only through class work and book study, but also by fathoming the unlimited creativity and intelligence of their consciousness. During his years at MUM, Dr. Dreier could be found participating in group TM practice and yogic flying in MUMs golden domesimilar to Buckminster Fullers prototype of the geodesic dome built at Black Mountain. Today, the Dreier Building on MUM campus is the first college building in the world designed in the architectural style of sthapatya veda, which harmonizes the influences of sun, moon and stars using mathematically derived proportions, orientation and dimensions. Due in part to Dr. Dreiers influence, MUM is a current- day incarnation of Black Mountain College, offering workshops on green building and organic farming; hosting events such as avant- gardefilmmaker David Lynchs upcoming conference on Consciousness, Creativity and the Brain; and showcasing the work of physicist Dr. John Hagelin, whose unified-field theory of consciousness is transforming our understanding of the unified field and its connection to human consciousness. Dr. Dreiers vision lives on as schools across the nation introduce consciousness-based education in their curriculum. To bring the dream of Black Mountain College full circle, the land adjacent to the very mountain where Theodore Dreier and John Andrew Rice founded the college is now set to become the new home for one of Maharishis consciousness-based education programs. If the gentle, humble and brilliant Dr. Dreier were around today, he would be proud that the spirit of Black Mountain College thrives in Western North Carolina. Tom Ball Marshall Global Country of World Peace offering The Transcendental Meditation Program 297 Country Cove Lane Marshall, NC 28753 828-649-9781 www.tm.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: Break out your old records
This isn't new. It's been around for a number of years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: This new device plays records using laser beams. At first I thought this was a joke, but it's actually legit. Soon we'll be able to play our old records in the car. ;-) (Sorry, i just liked the image of inserting an LP into the dash of my car...). Check out the price: very reasonable! http://www.elpj.com/main.html I'll take 3. :) I seem to remember that some experimenters were developing a system where you could scan your old vinyl records and software would play them. I wonder what ever happened with that? That could really be a reasonably priced system.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Commonalities R Us
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I did a lot of traveling on the Pacific Rim, and I spent months on various business missions where I'd return to my hotel room and just be stunned that I hadn't seen one person that day who didn't have black hair or was as tall as me or who didn't like cold fish hunks on rice with a watery gruel for breakfast. Talk about anomie! I'd be walking down the street in a big city and the sidewalks would be four, five, ten people shoulder to shoulder deep. I'd scan ahead of me, and there'd be this sea of bobbing black haired heads, and every now and then, HEY, there'd be a western head bobbing above the rest of them -- seemingly to be bouncing on the surface of heads. And I would just be so happy to know the sound of one head floating! Almost like love at first sight. And, once, I met this person who I barely knew back in the States, and I didn't much care for him, but he spoke English and knew what Snap into a Slim Jim meant, and that a dog can be a friend not, you know, cuisine. Oh, the sanctuary of our sharing a Coke and Burger. Someone stop me -- this is sounding so racist! I lived and taught in Asia for over a year. And lost western identity in a way. I would come home at night and when brushing my teeth see face the mirror, it would sometimes make me jump in shock -- fair complexion, blondsish hair, green eyes -- who was this odd looking person? And upon seeing westerners, sometimes I would be shocked at the missing inherent, sweetness, kindness and grace often so common in the interactions of my acquanintances of locals. After returning to the States after growing up in SE Asia, the weirdest thing was getting used to air that had no smell, and the sea of mostly white people. I was no longer a minority and it was overwhelming at first. I'm kind of used to it now, though one reason I like the Bay Area is its more like 'home' than any place else in the US. Odd thing is still when I am around a group of SE Asians, I feel just like one of them, energetically. Also love those cheeseburgers! Couldn't find a good one living in Malaya, Indonesia, the Philippines and finally Hong Kong. Still can't believe the supermarkets here. When I didn't have much money as a young adult here I'd wander around a supermarket for pure entertainment. Growing up in Asia possibly partly explains my life long reliance on experience over book learnin'. Kids here grow up in the suburbs or a city, maybe a farm, whereas I was roaming rice paddies and jungle at the same age. A less structured environment for sure. Not any better or worse, but definitely different. Also didn't have the laws and restrictions everyone grows up with here. If you could reach the counter, you could buy it. Etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, i don't know where to even start to respond to you Don't bother. It isn't worth your time. He's nuts.
