[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the Most....

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 What's the greatest and most satisfying thing a person can accomplish 
 in the material, relative world?

One great thing a person can do is to not call themselves Suzie, when 
in fact they are a man.

Other than that, the greatest thing you can do is to sacrifice your 
very soul to the tyrant God, in the fires of Hell (even if it does not 
exist) such that you can never come out and be tortured for eternity in 
obscurity, in exchange for the saving of this unhappy humanity.

I don't recommend doing it though.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, May I suggest we give Offworld a one week rest?

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  What do you do the rest of the day when not scolding people for 
being 
  naughty boys on the internet?
 
 Rick,
 
 I honestly believe Offworld is trying to tone down his anger.  It 
is 
 muted to some extent.  But I say, that he cannot brook a difference 
of 
 opinion without insulting the other person.  


Wow , this guy is tripping. What an incredibly hateful and self-
loathing person you are. Why do you hate yourself so much and why do 
you spew so much hate?

I would like you banned for spewing hate in every post to me. It is 
unbelievable. You are psychotic, and have chosen to spew your hatred 
for yourself upon me.

Bizarre.

My name is Tom Barlow, Vermont.
What is your name?
What is this guy's real name?
Are you a coward that hides beind a handle?
What is your real name?

I think FFL should only have people with real names and addresses 
from now on. This hate and cowardly hiding while you spew your 
prejudice and hatred on others is not right for FFL.

It is time for members to be only people who give their real names 
and addresses to be allowed on FFL.

That would entirely result in a proper discourse instead of the 
prejudice and hate being exacted by Lurk and the multiple versions of 
Shemp that now exist on FFL.

Real names and addresses or fuck off FFL.

OffWorld


 
 lurk  
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition

[george_deforest]

im curious when did the maharishi say this?
is it in response to something recent, like
the monks in Burma getting killed?

or, is this a preperation for something
on the horizon like another 9/11 that
maharishi forsees?

or is this an old quote from some privious times ...
we've been hearing about phase transitions since
the 70's, for heaven sake!

ati rudra bishek, isnt that a yagya for peace?
not shaking and fast moving chaos which is 
the opposite



 ve-da wrote:
 
 Be unshakable now!
 We are in the middle of the phase transition.  -  Maharishi strongly
emphasised the 
 great need to be completely self-referral during these times of very
rapid phase 
 transition. He said that there was quite a lot of unsettledness
('bubbling around') in 
 world consciousness at present and that it is the responsibility of
the whole 
 meditating family, who are creating a stable basis for the
transition to take place as 
 quickly and as smoothly as possible, not to feel shaken. This is
very necessary 
 because on the surface the phase transition is so violent.
 
 In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for that
shaking to remain 
 under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para, have
to be Para i.e. 
 unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated state, the
fast moving chaos 
 and change will pass away in a steady manner. So we have to be very
steady.
 
 Maharishi referred to the 'Sahasra Ati Sri Rudra Abhivishek' yagya
at present being 
 performed ... and indicated that this was creating an enormous
shaking around in 
 world consciousness. Rudra corresponds to the dynamism value in
nature (as 'RRR' 
 in Rig-Veda) and this dynamism is what is being released by the
yagya and causing 
 the shaking at all levels of creation. When the eight prakritis (the
basic building 
 blocks of creation) are shaken, Apara (i.e. relativity) is getting
sorted out to come 
 into coherence with Para (i.e. absolute). The yagya involves 11
times 11 times 11 
 pundits ... 
 
 We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big things. If
we loose our basis, 
 our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer. Don't give
importance to 
 things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very precious
time for the 
 world. Everything depends on how our awareness is; just don't let it
be shaken. Our 
 awareness is the basis of all these transformations. More than ever
before we are 
 ourselves. We are at the basis of the power of Rudra. Time demands
we remain 
 completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for us
we should not 
 become angry, indifferent, or sad, we should just be like an ocean.
 
 The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it;
then after some 
 time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening is
added ... It is the 
 awakening of both values: Para and Apara, says Maharishi.
 
 Jai Guru Dev

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Rick Archer/ On Reciting God's Name

[Bronte Baxter]

I don't think the Christians are as scary though. There's not the total 
dissolution of self in God like there is with the Easterners. Back ages ago, 
the Christians were certainly on a par with this, with their self-denial and 
extreme monasticism business. Now the Indians are taking the lead with the same 
sick messages. IMO, of course, with all due respect to yours. - Bronte
   

authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 At the start of this thread, you quoted Ramana Maharishi on the 
value of letting His name, the name of a god, not only permeate your 
meditation but every moment of your life, every impulse of your 
thought, the very fabric of consciousness. This is outright possession. 
This is a taking over of your individual consciousness by another 
entity, by the god whose name you repeated. This is not experience of 
Brahman, however they may dress it to be so. 

Funny thing is, this is the same argument fundie
Christians make against mantra meditation, yet it
seems as though in their own devotional practice,
they're just substituting possession by Jesus
for possession by a god.



 

   
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[FairfieldLife] To Off-World - Another lost post

[Bronte Baxter]

Here's another email that I wrote way early this afternoon, and I don't see 
that it posted. - Bronte
  
Note: forwarded message attached.

   
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  Off-World, don't leave. You are a valuable contributor to some wonderful 
discussions. Please don't take this stuff personally. People are just trying to 
keep things from going sour again, and we don't always express ourselves very 
well. Lurk didn't remember your role in the past discussion about flaming. All 
you did was stand up for me when another member was hurtful. I think you're a 
great guy, on very many counts. 
   
  We're all still getting the lay of the land as far as the new civility goes. 
It's a habit to shoot barbs, because it's gone on for so long. I know you 
didn't mean to harm anyone, you were just feeling passionate about your point 
of view. Many will miss your input if you truly do pull out. Please ignore 
people who can't yet appreciate you (like you told me to do, sweetie, when I 
got sat on). What you said to me helped me feel a whole lot better and reduced 
my hurt. I'm trying to give you back the well-deserved same. If you leave, we 
all lose. Please stay with us. Or if you must take a break, come back soon.
   
  - Bronte 
   

off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
 Idiot. He railed against it in Congress before the war, far 
stronger 
  than ANYONE else.
 
 Rick, correct me if I'm wrong. I seem to recall Offworld being one 
of 
 the most insistent that posters be banned for insulting him or 
 others. And yet, here we are, with EVERYONE being much more civil 
and 
 respectful, and yet Offworld continues to berate those with whose 
 opinion he disagrees. 

You are ENTIRELY wrong about that, but your prejudice smells a mile a 
way.
I was not remotely involved in that childish argument you guys had 
about banning people, except when it was used unfairly against one 
person but not another. 
I was not part of your little boys stupid argument.

 I'm sorry to say that this is a common trait of 
 bullies - complain about being on the receiving end of the 
treatment 
 they regularly dish out. Can you ask Offworld to refraim from 
calling 
 people idiots. 

The word 'idiot' was OBVIOUSLY referring to the writer of the 
magazine article, not the FFL member that posted the article. I am 
sorry I did not make that clearer, but you should be more careful 
before you start ranting like crazy person. 

You're extreme prejudice has just put me off FFL permanently. So no 
need to ban...I'm gone. People like you are so childish and 
constantly on the lookout to express your frustrations about your own 
life and project them upon other people.

Outta here

OffWorld

I feel we doing with the consensus method of 
 indentifying offensive posts.
 
 lurk
  
 
 




 

   
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[FairfieldLife] Regarding David Spero's Campaign Against Ron Paul

[Bronte Baxter]

David Spero quoted an article including this snip:
   
  Or the crazy-as-fuck John Birch Society, to which Paul is more than 
happy to grant the occasional interview and even speak at their 
dinners ... 
   
  followed by a line calling Ron Paul a neo-Nazi. In a later post Spero says 
Paul is the biggest threat out there to democracy, that he will usher in 
fasciism through the back door and return the US to pre-FDR days.
   
   
  Mr. Spero, who is it who is saying all this? That amorphous indefinable 
consciousness which you claim moves through you? Or you as a body/mind shell, 
empty of substance? If it is the latter, it is not worth listening to a shell. 
If it is the former, I question the nature of that force that controls you. 
   
  Universal consciousness, is it? Or is it the god(s) you worshipped on your 
path? How so in the interest of their continued rule for politics to continue 
in the direction of global government and all the other things Ron Paul stands 
against. Paul is for the individual, for freedom of each person from control by 
government. This is as anti-fasciist as it gets. But if he got in, it would 
strike a big blow against the elite's agenda of increasing government power. 
Therefore they try to make Paul look like the very thing they themselves are. 
   
  When I was a newspaper journalist, I did a special feature on the John Birch 
Society -- described in your quote as crazy-as-a-fuck, and found that 
contrary to all the hoopla about them, their beliefs are founded on a firm and 
literal interpretation of the US constitution. They are anything but crazy. 
They are libertarians, calling for much-needed reform. 
   
  To call a libertarian like Ron Paul a neo-Nazi is just as misplaced and 
disturbing. Why would anyone call a person who preaches grass-roots empowerment 
a Nazi? Nazis are for total government rule and suppression of the individual. 
Paul is completely in the other camp. So why this attempt to label him a Nazi? 
I would suggest, because Nazi is such a frightening word, and if people can be 
taught to fear him, they will forget about him as a real possible contender in 
the race. Yes, he wants to return us to the life patterns of a simpler time, a 
time before FDR. FDR instituted the changes in government that began to take 
away our freedoms. 
   
  You call Paul a threat to democracy? Democracy is government by the people. 
Why are you twisting the facts, or should I say, why is that which works 
through you twisting the facts? Who is this Being of yours that is so intent on 
defeating libertarians? More evidence for my theory, Mr. Spero.
   

   
  

oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2007/08/ron-paul-radical-rights-man-
in.html
--

Ron Paul: The Radical Right's Man in Washington

from Daily Kos:

posted last May:

THE STRANGE CASE OF LARRY PRATT

In 1996, presidential candidate Pat Buchanan got in hot water when 
the Center for Public Integrity revealed connections between 
Buchanan's campaign co-chairman Larry Pratt and Pastor Pete Peters, a 
leader of the white supremacist Christian Identity movement. Pratt, 
the executive director of Gun Owners of America, had been a frequent 
guest at meetings and on radio and television programs hosted by 
Peters, who inveighed against Talmudic filth as Pratt looked on. On 
February 15, 1996, Pratt took a leave of absence from the Buchanan 
campaign, so as to avoid causing a distraction.

The very next day, reported the San Antonio Express-News on February 
18, Ron Paul distributed a press release touting Pratt's endorsement 
of Paul's candidacy for the U.S. Congress. Pratt's endorsement of 
Paul was anything but pro forma; the February 22, 1996 issue of Roll 
Call noted that Paul and Mike Gunn, a Republican candidate for 
Congress in Mississippi who had done some work for David Duke in the 
latter's 1991 Louisiana gubernatorial campaign, were the only two 
candidates formally endorsed for office that year by Pratt's 
organization. Paul's opponent in the Republican primary, Rep. Greg 
Laughlin, called upon Paul to repudiate Pratt; Paul declined to do 
so, with his spokesman saying that Paul opposed racism but 
that nothing has been proven against Mr. Pratt. He has denied it. 
(Pratt's enthusiasm for Paul continues to this day, as this quasi-
endorsement of Paul's 2008 presidential campaign makes clear.)

THE COMPANY RON PAUL KEEPS

Paul's disinclination to separate himself from the Larry Pratts of 
the world is part of a pattern that over the last 20 years has seen 
him snuggling up to some extremely questionable characters on the far 
right fringe. Like, for example, secessionists, who gathered at a 
conference in April of 1995 to hear Paul speak about the once and 
future Republic of Texas. Or the beady-eyed listeners of The 
Political Cesspool. It's the unofficial radio program of the Council 
of Conservative 

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Off-World/ DS Spreading lies about Ron Paul

[Bronte Baxter]

Off-World wrote:
  Anyone with a rational mind would see it for that, a rational 
response to an insane irrational rant the purpose of which is to 
smear someone (Ron Paul in this case)

  Bronte writes:
   
  Not so, Off. I happen to agree with you on Ron Paul quite heartily. I was not 
objecting to your intellectual position. See my post on the subject of Ron Paul.
   
  Off-World:
Go back and answer the points I made in reply to you in the other 
post instead of avoiding them.
   
   
  Bronte writes:
  I did answer them. Did you miss that post?
   
  

off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That flaming Scottsman Off-World wrote:
 It is clear what Ron Paul stands for, and that he will never be a 
dictator as you are trying to make out. He does not have that sort of 
energy, nor the charisma, to be a dictator. You're fearmongering is 
laughable, and will go nowhere. It is a joke and you are making a 
 fool of yourself. 
 _ 
 Bronte:
 
 Now doggone it, Off, here you're doing the VERY thing you just 
told me was blatantly unfair: saying your argument is stupid because 
it's stupid, and you are stupid to boot. You are accusing others of 
the thing you yourself have just turned around and done. You're hurt 
and lashing out. It's time to stop and be 
civil. 
 

Yawn. (I'm hurt and lashing out..ROTFL ! )
Anyone with a rational mind would see it for that, a rational 
response to an insane irrational rant the purpose of which is to 
smear someone (Ron Paul in this case)

Go back and answer the points I made in reply to you in the other 
post instead of avoiding them.

Since when are lies about a person (Ron Paul) a form of discourse?

What do you do the rest of the day when not scolding people for being 
naughty boys on the internet?

OffWorld



 

   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Rapid and Direct Means to Eternal Bliss

[Bronte Baxter]

 
  Interesting article. Bronte's comments in italics. The article states:
   
  1. Before you learned the language that you now think in, the background of 
awareness was there.
   
  So was the essence of my individuality, which is beyond language.
   
   
  2. Then you learned the word “I” in your language. 
   
  The concept of I existed before I learned the word for it.
   
  3. Your body was given a name, and when people saw that body they said “There 
goes John, (or Mike, or Jane, or Julie, or Kumar or Radha) or whatever name 
that they gave your body. Thus the idea “I am John, I am this body” arose. 
   
  I remember lying in my crib as an infant, before I knew how to speak, very 
much aware of my individual I-ness. I kept wishing those people would come pick 
me up so I could get out of that boring crib with the string of boring doodads 
hanging over the top of it.
   
   
  4. You existed as the background of awareness before that I thought arose. 
   
  As did we all. But the I thought arose long before birth in any body. It was 
the first impulse of creative divine mind.
   
   
  5. The thought calling its “self” “I” is an imposter “self”. 
   
  Not so. We are both. Small self and big self. No imposters. Only suffering 
when we forget the big-self part.
   
   
  6. Because you existed as the background of awareness before you learned the 
language that produced the thoughts you now think in, you can easily see that 
the I thought is an imposter.
   
  I also existed, prior to language, as an immortal individual. Language did 
not birth my personhood, although it helped to dress it. The concept that 
language produces the thoughts you think in is true only for regurgitated 
thinking, not for original thinking. Original thought is born of the spirit, 
the individual ego in communion with universal ego. Original thought is 
pre-language.
   
   
  7. All thoughts are opposed to your real nature.
   
  Far from it. Only limiting thoughts are opposed to our real nature. Original 
thoughts, coming from deep within the Source, express it.
   
   
  8. You know that thoughts are not part of your true nature because you had to 
learn them.
   
  Not the original ones. They are born of spirit._,___
   


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Millionaire Ayurveda shopkeepers

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  bob_brigante wrote:
 
  I haven't quite figured this out -- are they saying 
  you have to sell $50K a month of AV products? 
  If so, only a few big city placements will do this well, I think.
 
 this could work, if MAPI products became popular ... but only if
 there is a -very strong- and -constant- TV advertising campaign
 that actually *inspires* the average consumer. (like Apple iPod ads,
 for example.)
 
  The winning point of the program is that every participating shop 
  will be provided about $50,000 worth of Maharishi Ayurveda 
products 
  (retail cost) every month and in addition about $10,000 will be 
spent 
  per shop in national and state-wide publicity, 
 


 my guess is, this is by far not a big enough advertising budget
 for the kind of sucess they are dreaming of.



**

Yeah, you would need an advertising budget in the many millions to 
promote items which are a complete blank for 99.9% of the American 
public. I don't know why they even bother with these shops anyway, 
since TMers can just shop online from MAPI in Colorado, at a much 
lower cost. I suppose they see joint operations of TM centers and 
Ayurveda shops, but they're not selling any TM instruction, 
either...oh well, I love MMY's statement on not getting bothered by 
the current shakeout of the disorder ( 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/150238 ):

We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big things. If 
we loose our
basis,
our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer. Don't give 
importance
to
things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very precious 
time for the
world. Everything depends on how our awareness is; just don't let it 
be shaken.
Our
awareness is the basis of all these transformations. More than ever 
before we
are
ourselves. We are at the basis of the power of Rudra. Time demands we 
remain
completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for us we 
should
not
become angry, indifferent, or sad, we should just be like an ocean.

The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; then 
after some
time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening is 
added ... It
is the
awakening of both values: Para and Apara, says Maharishi.

In other words, all the important stuff is going on at the most 
subtle level -- doesn't really matter about MAPI shops and TM 
centers, so don't worry about them or anything else, but just have 
confidence in the Vedic revival that is being led by MMY and the 
Pundits.

[FairfieldLife] Kucinich Rocks - Was Re: Ron Paul: The Radical Right's Man in Washington

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gds444 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Edg,
 
 I've been a big fan of Kucinich since reading a speech of his five
 years ago about Bush and the destruction of American democracy. He
 gave the speech at USC when people were still afraid to criticize 
Bush. 
 
 If you read his policy stances on his site, they are mostly in
 alignment with what Americans actually want. An end to the Iraq 
war, a
 not for profit health care system, to cancel the WTO and NAFTA, 
sound
 environmental policy and on and on. The sad part is that in both
 Presidential runs, the media branded him as a longshot, 
a liberal
 and as a candidate with no chance to win. All of this became and 
is a
 self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
 I run into people all the time that tell me that Kucinich has the 
most
 sound policies, but they won't vote for him because he doesn't 
have a
 chance to win. My response is that if you don't vote for him, don't
 send him some money and don't share his message with friends,
 co-workers, family members, than you are absolutely correct, he 
has no
 chance of winning.
 
 I have seen Dennis speak in person on two occasions. Both times, I 
was
 driven to tears. The first speech he spoke about non-violence. He 
is
 the first politician I have heard or read that actually understands
 non-violence. Most invoke it as a means of protest. Dennis gets 
that
 it is a spiritual and political philosophy. He adheres to it 
through a
 vegan diet, through his peace work and establishment of a cabinet
 level Peace Department, through his support of worker's rights and
 unions, support of gay marriage, his environmental policy, et al. 
He
 is a truly remarkable human being. When you hear him speak in 
person,
 he is electrifying. I know that this may sound impossible since he
 comes off so poorly in debates, but trust me, he sounds like a
 preacher that has been touched by God. He has so much passion. He's
 not made for the television era.
 
 My wife and I have a PR agency focussed on clients in health and
 wellness, spirituality, vegan/vegetarian foods, environmental
 technology and the like. I spoke with his national PR rep a few 
months
 back. Their strategy is to raise $50 from one million donors. This
 would allow him to better compete and would force the media to pay
 attention (since thirty percent of their coverage is money related 
and
 only those candidates that raise significant money are worthy of 
their
 attention). We are hoping to help get some bylined articles in 
media
 coverage in our sphere.
 
 Anyway, Dennis would make a wonderful president. I urge anyone that
 believes that he would be the best choice to get involved in some 
way.
 Don't allow the system to tell you that you have to vote for 
Hillary
 or Guliani or the world will collapse.
 
 Best,
 Gary

 Agreed. You might find this interview with Kucinich from 2003 
interesting:

US Representative Dennis Kucinich, a Democrat from Ohio, first came 
to US national prominence in 1977 when he was elected mayor of 
Cleveland at age 31, the youngest person ever elected to lead a 
major American city. In 1978, Cleveland's banks demanded that he 
sell the city's municipally-owned electric power system to a 
privately-owned utility company as a precondition of extending 
credit to city government. Kucinich refused to sell, and in an 
incident unprecedented in American politics, the Cleveland banks 
plunged the city into default for a mere $15 million. Kucinich lost 
his re-election bid in 1979, but 15 years later won election to the 
Ohio Senate on the strength of the expansion of Cleveland's 
electricity system which provides low-cost power to almost half the 
residents of the city. In 1998, the Cleveland City Council honoured 
him for having the courage and foresight to refuse to sell the 
city's municipal electric system. 

As a US Congressman, Kucinich led Congressional opposition to the 
2003 war in Iraq. In his current campaign for the US Presidency, he 
combines a powerful activism with a spiritual sense of the essential 
interconnectedness of living things. Kucinich's world view carries 
with it a passionate commitment to public service, peace, human 
rights and the environment. 

Share International: Peace and justice issues are central to your 
presidential campaign and your entire political approach. Why have 
you chosen those areas to focus on? 

Dennis Kucinich: All of us have a purpose in life that relates to 
trying to affirm the society in which we live. We do it in different 
ways. Some of us are doctors, lawyers, architects, teachers, 
mothers, fathers, municipal workers, bakers, waiters. All of us have 
a place and aspire to more and more possibilities. For myself, I 
have felt a commitment to social and economic justice from an early 
age. When we see the possibilities of life, reflected in our own 
life, the quest for peace in the external world has to be preceded 
by a quest for peace in one's internal world. 

[FairfieldLife] Hmmm... dharma-megha?

[cardemaister]

What does dharma-megha-samaadhi mean?
In his commentary on YS IV, Bhojadeva sez
(according to some Indian site, whose
URL we have lost, after downloading the
devanaagarii PDF, which seems to contain
some typos):

prasaMkhyaanaM yaavataaM tattvaanaaM yathaakramaM
vyavasthitaanaaM parasparavilakSaNasvaruupavibhaavanaM
tasminsatyapyakusiidasya phalamalipsoH pratyayaantaraaNaam-
anudayaatsarvaprakaaravivekhyaateH parisheSaaddharmameghaH
samaadhirbhavati | prakRSTamashuklakRSNaM dharmaM parama-
puruSaarthasaadhakaM mehati siñcatiiti dharmameghaH |
anena prakRSThadharmasyaiva jñaanahetutvamityupapaaditaM
bhavati |


Attempt at sandhi-samaasa-vigraha:

prasaMkhyaanam; yaavataam; tattvaanaam; yathaa-kramam;
vyavasthitaanaam; paras-para-vilakSaNa-svaruupa-vibhaavanam;
tasmin sati; api; akusiidasya phalam alipsoH(?) pratyaya-
antaraaNaam anudayaat sarvaprakaara-vivekhyaateH(typo? viveka-
khyaateH??) parisheSaat; dharmameghaH
samaadhiH; bhavati | prakRSTam ashukla-kRSNam; dharma; parama-
puruSa-artha-saadhakam; mehati siñcati + iti dharmameghaH |
anena prakRSTha-dharmasya; eva jñaana-hetutvam iti; upapaaditam;
bhavati |

Haven't got much of an idea what the phuk that's all about.
Anyone got a translation for that? If not, I guess I'll
have to try to come up with some kind of translation... :(

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hmmm... dharma-megha?

[Vaj]

On Sep 30, 2007, at 5:32 AM, cardemaister wrote:




What does dharma-megha-samaadhi mean?
In his commentary on YS IV, Bhojadeva sez
(according to some Indian site, whose
URL we have lost, after downloading the
devanaagarii PDF, which seems to contain
some typos):

prasaMkhyaanaM yaavataaM tattvaanaaM yathaakramaM
vyavasthitaanaaM parasparavilakSaNasvaruupavibhaavanaM
tasminsatyapyakusiidasya phalamalipsoH pratyayaantaraaNaam-
anudayaatsarvaprakaaravivekhyaateH parisheSaaddharmameghaH
samaadhirbhavati | prakRSTamashuklakRSNaM dharmaM parama-
puruSaarthasaadhakaM mehati siñcatiiti dharmameghaH |
anena prakRSThadharmasyaiva jñaanahetutvamityupapaaditaM
bhavati |

Attempt at sandhi-samaasa-vigraha:

prasaMkhyaanam; yaavataam; tattvaanaam; yathaa-kramam;
vyavasthitaanaam; paras-para-vilakSaNa-svaruupa-vibhaavanam;
tasmin sati; api; akusiidasya phalam alipsoH(?) pratyaya-
antaraaNaam anudayaat sarvaprakaara-vivekhyaateH(typo? viveka-
khyaateH??) parisheSaat; dharmameghaH
samaadhiH; bhavati | prakRSTam ashukla-kRSNam; dharma; parama-
puruSa-artha-saadhakam; mehati siñcati + iti dharmameghaH |
anena prakRSTha-dharmasya; eva jñaana-hetutvam iti; upapaaditam;
bhavati |

Haven't got much of an idea what the phuk that's all about.
Anyone got a translation for that? If not, I guess I'll
have to try to come up with some kind of translation... :(



My Patanjali Guru, who was very conversant with English called it  
The samadhi of the raincloud of virtue and of the knowledge of the  
nature of all things (in which the mind dwells in itself, by itself,  
then identifies with the spiritual self). Thus it's typical of such  
a yogi to not only possess all the signs of someone in effortless  
samadhi, but also to gain much spontaneous wisdom. It's the final  
bhumi of samprajnata-samadhi, the higher stage of asmita-accompanied  
samadhi and the initial stage a acognitive asamprajnata samadhi.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev 1945 on enemies

[do.rflex]

Delicious! Thanks, Bob.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One who has set in his heart the concept of the transitoriness of 
 the world through a process of reasoning and deep thought, is the 
 person competent to win over the inner hexagon. Because, one who is 
 convinced of the transitoriness of the entire world complex cannot be 
 susceptible to greed or attachment to anything, for he knows that the 
 object of his greed or attachment today will be something different 
 tomorrow. Conscious of this disappointment, desires and attachments 
 do not germinate in his mind. Nay, their very seed is destroyed. Then 
 jealousy also is gone. He is no longer vain about his greatness, 
 learning or wealth. When greed, attachment, vanity and jealousy 
 disappear, there is no cause left for anger and anger goes away 
 automatically. His desires recede and turn to God, with the result 
 that now his worldly actions are dictated by a sense of duty rather 
 than by passion. His behaviour automatically becomes proper and he 
 lives in the world without being affected by it, just as a lotus leaf 
 lives in water without getting wet. Such a man has no external 
 enemies left, and his sameness rules over the whole Nature. None is 
 capable of disturbing his kingdom of peace. It is such a person who 
 is samadarshii (impartial, dispassionate) and a great victor, who 
 can carry the world towards the goal of lasting peace and happiness.
 
 Therefore, a victory over the inner hexagon is the highest form of 
 victory, and it is to achieving this great victory that man should 
 direct his efforts.'
 
 *
 complete quote, from the Transcendental Meditation yahoo group:
 *
 
 It is said that in September 1945, when the Second World War was 
 over, newspaper reporters wanted to know the reaction of 
 Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of 
 Jyotirmath (Guru Dev). Allegedly he gave them the following 
 statement, parts of which match other published quotations of Guru 
 Dev:-
 
 'Real victory is that, after which there can never be a reverse. 
 Nobody can call himself a victor forever merely by crushing an 
 external foe, because such foes can spring up again. A real victory 
 is achieved by bringing under control the internal foes. A check over 
 the internal enemies is therefore the only way of conquering the 
 external enemies forever, because we should bear in mind that it is 
 our own internal enemies which create the external enemies.
 
 These inner enemies are ambition, anger, greed, false attachment, 
 vanity and jealousy. It is this hexagon sitting inside us which makes 
 a cat's paw (duping) of anything in the outer world in order to 
 create enemies for us. Therefore if anybody wants to enjoy peace and 
 happiness through victory over all enemies, then he should raid the 
 very source of all physical enemies - the subtle hexagon living in 
 us. Destruction of enemies by root is not possible without breaking 
 up this hexagon (ambition, anger, greed, false attachment, vanity and 
 jealousy). This is axiomatic.
 
 It is a fact established by practical experience that anyone who has 
 conquered these subtle inner enemies, has broken up the central 
 source of all external enemies. Therefore, all enemies are nipped in 
 the bud. Then he has no enemies left to be defeated. It is only such 
 a victor who can be called a real victor. Then the gates of true and 
 lasting peace and happiness are opened for him.
 
 For a nation which desires to be completely free from enemies and to 
 build a world of peace and happiness, it is necessary to have such 
 men at the helm of its affairs who have conquered their inner 
 hexagon. Otherwise they would destroy themselves along with many 
 others. The history of the last several centuries shows that the 
 rulers of powerful nations have given a bloodbath to the world under 
 the influence of their hexagon. This is brutish. Those who carry the 
 burden of guiding a nation should particularly act with insight. It 
 is no greatness or humanism to be carried away by one's hexagon and 
 spread a wave of suffering over the earth.
 
 After all, how long can we go on destroying the external enemies? As 
 soon as we get rid of one, another one is ready to engage us. In this 
 way we not only remain ourselves perpetually disturbed, but we also 
 keep a cold war going on which threatens the peace and happiness of 
 the whole of mankind all the time. This is certainly neither a sign 
 of any victory nor of the suppression of any enemies. Hence it is 
 most essential that people who rule nations should be those who have 
 conquered their inner hexagon. It is these really victorious leaders 
 who can successfully guide the societies, the nations and the world 
 on to the path of lasting peace and happiness.
 
 It is not too difficult to win over the hexagon. But people take it 
 to be impossible without giving thought. Most of them 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul: The Radical Right's Man in Washington

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gotta love Ron Paul's anti-government stance across several issues,
 but yeah, he's a racist.
 
 Dennis Kucinich anyone?




I am not surprised that someone who is as unstable as you, Duveyoung, 
who plays in traffic on contraptions designed to swerve into on-
coming vehicles would support someone like Dennis Kucinich.

The guy's a Marxist.

And a nutjob.

Like attracts like.





 
 I am going to be surprised at who I vote for.  I voted for Kerry
 despite his flaws just to be sure the Dems got control, but now, 
I'm
 thinking to hell with anyone sucking a lobbiest's cock.  
 
 That would include Clinton, Obama.  I love Obama's vibe, and I love
 Clinton's woman's heart potential, but they're in bed with the 
enemy.  
 
 And here's Dennis with his leprachaun body and boy-voice.  GAWD why
 can't our heroes brawy Bruce Willis types?  I'm so ashamed that I 
want
 this.  Smack me someone.
 
 And Ralph Nadar the dessicated, dour, dufus seems more mortician 
than
 leader.
 
 Mike Gravel looks good on paper, but geeze he screams everything and
 betrays a wounded heart of a man passed by.  Better off with Dennis
 methinks.
 
 Right now, today, I'd vote for Oprah just to watch her go through 
the
 learning curves and having the pleasure of watching all the racist
 misogynistist rich white guys pissing in their boots. 
 
 Edg
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing
 oneradiantbeing@ wrote:
 
  http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2007/08/ron-paul-radical-rights-
man-
  in.html
  --

  
  Ron Paul: The Radical Right's Man in Washington
   
  from Daily Kos:
  
  posted last May:
  
  
  THE STRANGE CASE OF LARRY PRATT
  
  In 1996, presidential candidate Pat Buchanan got in hot water 
when 
  the Center for Public Integrity revealed connections between 
  Buchanan's campaign co-chairman Larry Pratt and Pastor Pete 
Peters, a 
  leader of the white supremacist Christian Identity movement. 
Pratt, 
  the executive director of Gun Owners of America, had been a 
frequent 
  guest at meetings and on radio and television programs hosted by 
  Peters, who inveighed against Talmudic filth as Pratt looked 
on. On 
  February 15, 1996, Pratt took a leave of absence from the 
Buchanan 
  campaign, so as to avoid causing a distraction.
  
  The very next day, reported the San Antonio Express-News on 
February 
  18, Ron Paul distributed a press release touting Pratt's 
endorsement 
  of Paul's candidacy for the U.S. Congress. Pratt's endorsement of 
  Paul was anything but pro forma; the February 22, 1996 issue of 
Roll 
  Call noted that Paul and Mike Gunn, a Republican candidate for 
  Congress in Mississippi who had done some work for David Duke in 
the 
  latter's 1991 Louisiana gubernatorial campaign, were the only two 
  candidates formally endorsed for office that year by Pratt's 
  organization. Paul's opponent in the Republican primary, Rep. 
Greg 
  Laughlin, called upon Paul to repudiate Pratt; Paul declined to 
do 
  so, with his spokesman saying that Paul opposed racism but 
  that nothing has been proven against Mr. Pratt. He has denied 
it. 
  (Pratt's enthusiasm for Paul continues to this day, as this quasi-
  endorsement of Paul's 2008 presidential campaign makes clear.)
  
  THE COMPANY RON PAUL KEEPS
  
  Paul's disinclination to separate himself from the Larry Pratts 
of 
  the world is part of a pattern that over the last 20 years has 
seen 
  him snuggling up to some extremely questionable characters on the 
far 
  right fringe. Like, for example, secessionists, who gathered at a 
  conference in April of 1995 to hear Paul speak about the once 
and 
  future Republic of Texas. Or the beady-eyed listeners of The 
  Political Cesspool. It's the unofficial radio program of the 
Council 
  of Conservative Citizens--you know, the repainted White Citizens 
  Council that got Trent Lott into a bit of trouble a few years 
ago. 
  (Tune in tonight for their special program on the disastrous 
Brown 
  vs. Topeka Board of Education decision, one which ushered in an 
era 
  of radical leftist ideology upon the American citizenry.) Paul 
has 
  been a guest on the program; you'll find him listed under P, 
right 
  above Prussian Blue, the white supremacist teenage singing duo.
  
  Or the crazy-as-fuck John Birch Society, to which Paul is more 
than 
  happy to grant the occasional interview and even speak at their 
  dinners (the podcast, I am sorry to report, no longer seems to be 
  available). In fact, Paul is the only member of Congress to 
receive a 
  perfect 100 from the John Birch Society in its most recent member 
  ratings.
  
  THE KLAN'S MAN IN WASHINGTON
  
  Like many members of Congress, the prolific Paul posts his 
speeches, 
  columns, and statements on his House Web site. He allows anyone 
to 
  republish and distribute them, and many do. 

[FairfieldLife] We need Off-World -- including his astronomical observations (Re: To Off-World)

[Duveyoung]

Off,

You know I have not had much positivity for your actions here, but
yesterday, and you KNOW I hate to admit this, you were cogent, right
on, clear, and good reading in several posts and parts of posts.  So
much so, that I almost replied with a big thumbs up, but then just as
I was about to do so, another of your posts came wherein you lost it
and began the kicking and screaming lashing out toddler stuff.

With so many here trying to bite their tongues, sticking to the good
stuff and forgetting the blurry, I am getting high on the good vibes
coming on strongly here.  Suddenly everyone is trying to be nice and
trying to contribute, ya know?  You included.

So, even if Rick bans you for a week, come on back and do that good
stuff again.  One of the things I love/hate most about this venue is
that the people who negatively trigger me will, with unbearable
regularity, prove my opinion of them to be far too cartoonish and not
nearly as complex as they deserve.

You are a human being, Off, and to the extent that I judge you as
lacking, let it be known that that opinion is merely my own inability
to make lemonade out of you and thus my own mirror I look into.

And the other day, the astronomers found this very brief flash of
radio waves in their data.  A new thingy for them.  Don't know quite
yet what it was -- maybe a black hole exploding or two neutron stars
colliding, but it was over in a flash.  So, when I first
starting posting here, I ripped you a new one for being so stupid as
to think you'd seen a supernova, I was not taking into consideration
that, hard as it is to imagine, you may have seen a very rare event --
never recorded by science before.  Not a supernova, but something
elsesomething way fast.

That said, the radio burst was not visible to the human eye, so the
incident I'm mentioning could not have been the one that happened to
you.  But, still, as an olive branch, let me say in public that maybe
there are events out there that are flashy in the visible spectrum. 
Maybe you should find an astronomer, tell him/her where you were
looking and when, and maybe he'll be able to search the data and see
what you saw!

So, bite your tongue there dude.  You know that I have a sore one,
right?  And I'm have a far deeper rage addiction, so if I can, so can you.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter 
 brontebaxter8@ wrote:
 
That flaming Scottsman Off-World wrote:
It is clear what Ron Paul stands for, and that he will never be a 
 dictator as you are trying to make out. He does not have that sort of 
 energy, nor the charisma, to be a dictator. You're fearmongering is 
 laughable, and will go nowhere. It is a joke and you are making a 
  fool of yourself. 
  _ 
Bronte:
 
Now doggone it, Off, here you're doing the VERY thing you just 
 told me was blatantly unfair: saying your argument is stupid because 
 it's stupid, and you are stupid to boot. You are accusing others of 
 the thing you yourself have just turned around and done. You're hurt 
 and lashing out. It's time to stop and be 
 civil.  
  
 
 
 Yawn. (I'm hurt and lashing out..ROTFL ! )
 Anyone with a rational mind would see it for that, a rational 
 response to an insane irrational rant the purpose of which is to 
 smear someone (Ron Paul in this case)
 
 Go back and answer the points I made in reply to you in the other 
 post instead of avoiding them.
 
 Since when are lies about a person (Ron Paul) a form of discourse?
 
 What do you do the rest of the day when not scolding people for being 
 naughty boys on the internet?
 
 OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Rick Archer/ On Reciting God's Name

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't think the Christians are as scary though. There's not the 
total dissolution of self in God like there is with the Easterners. 
Back ages ago, the Christians were certainly on a par with this, with 
their self-denial and extreme monasticism business. Now the Indians 
are taking the lead with the same sick messages. IMO, of course, with 
all due respect to yours. - Bronte

I'm not at all devotional, so it ain't my
message, sick or otherwise. But I don't think
it's anybody *else's* message either, to be
perfectly frank. I think it's another straw
man, a misreading on your part.

In any case, my point wasn't that the fundie
Christian possession by Jesus was scary, but
that they don't seem to be able to recognize
how similar it is to what they (and you) object
to about mantra meditation.





 authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter 
brontebaxter8@ 
 wrote:
 snip
  At the start of this thread, you quoted Ramana Maharishi on the 
 value of letting His name, the name of a god, not only permeate 
your 
 meditation but every moment of your life, every impulse of your 
 thought, the very fabric of consciousness. This is outright 
possession. 
 This is a taking over of your individual consciousness by another 
 entity, by the god whose name you repeated. This is not experience 
of 
 Brahman, however they may dress it to be so. 
 
 Funny thing is, this is the same argument fundie
 Christians make against mantra meditation, yet it
 seems as though in their own devotional practice,
 they're just substituting possession by Jesus
 for possession by a god.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... dharma-megha?

[shukra69]

I can't translate but I have read that dharma-megha means that the
yogi also rains dharma onto the surrounding society, source was Julian Lee

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 What does dharma-megha-samaadhi mean?
 In his commentary on YS IV, Bhojadeva sez
 (according to some Indian site, whose
 URL we have lost, after downloading the
 devanaagarii PDF, which seems to contain
 some typos):
 
 prasaMkhyaanaM yaavataaM tattvaanaaM yathaakramaM
 vyavasthitaanaaM parasparavilakSaNasvaruupavibhaavanaM
 tasminsatyapyakusiidasya phalamalipsoH pratyayaantaraaNaam-
 anudayaatsarvaprakaaravivekhyaateH parisheSaaddharmameghaH
 samaadhirbhavati | prakRSTamashuklakRSNaM dharmaM parama-
 puruSaarthasaadhakaM mehati siñcatiiti dharmameghaH |
 anena prakRSThadharmasyaiva jñaanahetutvamityupapaaditaM
 bhavati |
 
 
 Attempt at sandhi-samaasa-vigraha:
 
 prasaMkhyaanam; yaavataam; tattvaanaam; yathaa-kramam;
 vyavasthitaanaam; paras-para-vilakSaNa-svaruupa-vibhaavanam;
 tasmin sati; api; akusiidasya phalam alipsoH(?) pratyaya-
 antaraaNaam anudayaat sarvaprakaara-vivekhyaateH(typo? viveka-
 khyaateH??) parisheSaat; dharmameghaH
 samaadhiH; bhavati | prakRSTam ashukla-kRSNam; dharma; parama-
 puruSa-artha-saadhakam; mehati siñcati + iti dharmameghaH |
 anena prakRSTha-dharmasya; eva jñaana-hetutvam iti; upapaaditam;
 bhavati |
 
 Haven't got much of an idea what the phuk that's all about.
 Anyone got a translation for that? If not, I guess I'll
 have to try to come up with some kind of translation... :(

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition

[sgrayatlarge]

Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace

Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years and 
we don't seem anywhere near peace. Either this works or it doesn't. 
I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just 
making excuses based on a very questionable theory?

Shiva is appeased by both devas and asuras.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest 
 george.deforest@ wrote:
 
  im curious when did the maharishi say this?
  is it in response to something recent, like
  the monks in Burma getting killed?
  
  or, is this a preperation for something
  on the horizon like another 9/11 that
  maharishi forsees?
  
  or is this an old quote from some privious times ...
  we've been hearing about phase transitions since
  the 70's, for heaven sake!
  
  ati rudra bishek, isnt that a yagya for peace?
  not shaking and fast moving chaos which is 
  the opposite
  
  
 
 **
 
 
 Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace, but those elements that 
 resist being orderly and peaceful will be shaken out of the 
picture, 
 so we should avoid being shaken and just understand that the power 
of 
 nature is just doing its thing and is behind this transition to 
 Satyuga:
 
 The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; 
 then after some time shake it again. Each time a new level of 
purity, 
 awakening is added ...
 
  
   ve-da wrote:
   
   Be unshakable now!
   We are in the middle of the phase transition.  -  Maharishi 
 strongly
  emphasised the 
   great need to be completely self-referral during these times of 
 very
  rapid phase 
   transition. He said that there was quite a lot of unsettledness
  ('bubbling around') in 
   world consciousness at present and that it is the 
responsibility 
 of
  the whole 
   meditating family, who are creating a stable basis for the
  transition to take place as 
   quickly and as smoothly as possible, not to feel shaken. This is
  very necessary 
   because on the surface the phase transition is so violent.
   
   In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for 
 that
  shaking to remain 
   under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para, 
have
  to be Para i.e. 
   unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated state, 
the
  fast moving chaos 
   and change will pass away in a steady manner. So we have to be 
 very
  steady.
   
   Maharishi referred to the 'Sahasra Ati Sri Rudra Abhivishek' 
yagya
  at present being 
   performed ... and indicated that this was creating an enormous
  shaking around in 
   world consciousness. Rudra corresponds to the dynamism value in
  nature (as 'RRR' 
   in Rig-Veda) and this dynamism is what is being released by the
  yagya and causing 
   the shaking at all levels of creation. When the eight prakritis 
 (the
  basic building 
   blocks of creation) are shaken, Apara (i.e. relativity) is 
getting
  sorted out to come 
   into coherence with Para (i.e. absolute). The yagya involves 11
  times 11 times 11 
   pundits ... 
   
   We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big things. 
If
  we loose our basis, 
   our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer. Don't 
 give
  importance to 
   things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very 
precious
  time for the 
   world. Everything depends on how our awareness is; just don't 
let 
 it
  be shaken. Our 
   awareness is the basis of all these transformations. More than 
 ever
  before we are 
   ourselves. We are at the basis of the power of Rudra. Time 
demands
  we remain 
   completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for 
 us
  we should not 
   become angry, indifferent, or sad, we should just be like an 
 ocean.
   
   The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it;
  then after some 
   time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening 
is
  added ... It is the 
   awakening of both values: Para and Apara, says Maharishi.
   
   Jai Guru Dev
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Off-World

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wrote this and a bunch of other posts today which apparently got 
lost in cyber space. I'm asking Rick to tell me what's wrong.

BTW, some of the originals are now showing up
along with your forwards, so perhaps they're
just being delayed. It does happen from time
to time.

Have you tried posting from the Web site rather
than by email? Such posts rarely seem to get
delayed.

snip
 I used to be in a debate club in high school. People battled each 
other on issues just for the fun of sharpening their intellects. Some 
battled, I'm sure, for the sake of beating others, to put other 
people down. But some of us just enjoyed the fencing for its own 
sake. Like athletes enjoy meets. You've got your athletes who hate 
the other team and really want to make them look stupid. But mostly 
they're guys who enjoy competition because it sharpens their own 
abilities. Their efforts to rile up the opponent are made in the 
spirit of starting a contest for fun.

Thanks for making this point; it's one I've
tried to make here before. There are one or
two people here who view the debating impulse
as somehow malign, as a bid for attention,
as a response to a perceived attack on one's 
self, rather than, as you say, a matter of
starting a contest for the fun of sharpening
one's intellect (and, I would add, refining
one's positions).

Oddly enough, yesterday I was copy editing a
piece on how to handle flaming on a blog. The
author observed:

Flaming can...take on the quality of a ritual battle, of sport. 
Participants try out different rhetorical tricks, looking for 
inconsistencies in their opponent's arguments, bringing genuine 
research and logic to their own arguments, conceding points when 
necessary, praising impressive tactical moves of their opponents, 
regarding it all with amused detachment, as a game, like verbal 
jousting.

He's really talking about turning flaming into
an actual debate rather than just an exchange of
ad hominem insults. But it's a nice description
of what debate can be at its best (although I'd
say tactics rather than tricks).

An intellectually honest debate has the quality 
of *dialectic*, whose ultimate goal is resolution
of opposing viewpoints. Even when resolution is
not achieved (which is most of the time), dialectic
can make the real nature of a disagreement a lot
clearer than it was to start with; and often it 
turns out that the disagreement was significantly
narrower than it appeared in the beginning.

snip
   And because you are not smart enough is the part that really 
hurts, whether it's said or implied. Whenever a debate gets personal -
- with the other person becoming the subject of the discussion 
instead of the topic itself -- the debaters skate onto thin ice and 
an insult is likely to happen.

I don't find such insults hurtful, actually,
unless they're coming from someone I respect,
but such a person would be unlikely to indulge
in insult in the first place.

Insults are mostly an expression of the 
*insulter's* feelings, after all, so why should
they be taken personally?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition

[Vaj]

On Sep 30, 2007, at 10:34 AM, sgrayatlarge wrote:


Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace

Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years and
we don't seem anywhere near peace. Either this works or it doesn't.
I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just
making excuses based on a very questionable theory?



Pretty obvious to most objective observers.

But, believe it or not, there are still some that actually believe in  
the ME. Apparently no one bothered to tell the remaining believers  
that the level of coherence generated by their practices was  
actually considered scientifically and statistically insignificant by  
credible neurophysiologists.


More proof that some things can be both sad and funny at the same  
time... ;-)


Had you seen the latest declaration?:

http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2007/09/raja-invites-its-your- 
faultobligation.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition

[sgrayatlarge]

Hagelin scolds none dome goers like children, well I guess if the 
shoe fits...

Thanks Vaj

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Sep 30, 2007, at 10:34 AM, sgrayatlarge wrote:
 
  Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace
 
  Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years 
and
  we don't seem anywhere near peace. Either this works or it 
doesn't.
  I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just
  making excuses based on a very questionable theory?
 
 
 Pretty obvious to most objective observers.
 
 But, believe it or not, there are still some that actually believe 
in  
 the ME. Apparently no one bothered to tell the remaining believers  
 that the level of coherence generated by their practices was  
 actually considered scientifically and statistically insignificant 
by  
 credible neurophysiologists.
 
 More proof that some things can be both sad and funny at the same  
 time... ;-)
 
 Had you seen the latest declaration?:
 
 http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2007/09/raja-invites-its-your- 
 faultobligation.html

[FairfieldLife] Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield

[Rick Archer]

You may remember Lou, and if you’ve been around longer, LB. I highly
recommend LB’s show. You can listen wherever you are in the world by tuning
in at 1pm Central Time every Wednesday at HYPERLINK
http://www.kruufm.com/http://www.kruufm.com/. Click on the left where it
says Listen to our Live Stream. You can call in to the show at (641)
209-1083.

Dear Friends of Fairfield,   HYPERLINK
http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/objcts/anmls/clips/dove-clip;

 

I will be interviewed by LB Shriver on Wednesday October 3rd from 1:00 to
2:00PM on KRUU Radio which is 100.1 on your FM dial. If you can't tune in
tell your friends. He will interview me about my book The Future of Yoga
endorsed by Deepak Chopra and available at 21st Century Books. Ask Tony the
store manager for a copy. It's on sale for $10.00. 

 

I will also be talking about Pluto transiting through the sign of Capricorn
and its effect from the start of 2008 through the spring of 2009. The
effects for Fairfield Iowa because both Maharishi and Tony Nader are born
under the sign of Capricorn in the Western system. Pluto is ruled by Shiva
so this directly effects our tradition. 

 

I have met so many people in Fairfield and have been here for almost three
months now. There is so much to do and so many people to meet. I look
forward to seeing all of you from time to time and continue to pray and
meditate for world peace. Thank you for your sharing's of life. It has and
continues to enrich my life.

 

I will also start to advertise astrological readings for both Western and
Vedic or combined. You can visit my website at HYPERLINK
http://www.yogavisionaries.com/Astrological Varieties for more
information. See you soon.

 

Love and Light,

Lou Valentino

Jai Guru Dev

 

PS. For those who feel comfortable opening an attachment I have attached a
song I wrote for Maharishi.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... dharma-megha?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I can't translate but I have read that dharma-megha means that the
 yogi also rains dharma onto the surrounding society, source was 
Julian Lee
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  
  
  What does dharma-megha-samaadhi mean?
  In his commentary on YS IV, Bhojadeva sez
  (according to some Indian site, whose
  URL we have lost, after downloading the
  devanaagarii PDF, which seems to contain
  some typos):
  
  prasaMkhyaanaM yaavataaM tattvaanaaM yathaakramaM
  vyavasthitaanaaM parasparavilakSaNasvaruupavibhaavanaM
  tasminsatyapyakusiidasya phalamalipsoH pratyayaantaraaNaam-
  anudayaatsarvaprakaaravivekhyaateH parisheSaaddharmameghaH
  samaadhirbhavati |*** prakRSTam ashuklakRSNaM dharmaM parama-
  puruSa-artha-saadhakaM mehati siñcatiiti dharmameghaH ***|

The last sentence above seems to be some kind of explanation
why that particular form, or whatever, of samaadhi is 
called 'dharma-megha'.

Let's start from the main verbs, which seem to be 'mih'
(?present tense indicative 3. person singular 'mehati')...

2 mih 1 cl. 1. P. (Dha1tup. xxiii , 23) %{***me4hati***} (ep. also 
A1. %{-te} , p. %{-meghamAna} RV. ; pf. %{mimeha} Gr. ; aor. %
{amikSat} S3Br. ; fut. %{meDhA} Gr. , %{mekSya4ti} AV. ; inf. %
{mihe4} RV.) , to void or pass urine , make water upon (loc. or 
acc.) or towards (acc.) RV. c. c. ; to emit seminal fluid BhP. ; (%
{mi4miDDhi}) = %{yAcJA-karman} Naigh. iii , 19: Caus. %{mehayati} 
(aor. %{amImihat} Gr.) to cause to make water RV.: Desid. %
{mimikSati} see 1. %{mikS}: Intens. %{me4mihat} see %{ni-mih}. [Cf. 
Gk. $ , Lat. 248141[818 ,2] {mingere} , {mejere} ; Slav. {migla} ; 
Lith. {me34z3} , Angl. Sax. {mi7gan} ; Germ. {Mist}.]  

... and 'sic' 
(?present tense indicative 3. person singular 'siñcati', in
HK siJca4ti).

sic 1 cl. 6. P. A1. (Dha1tup. xxviii , 140) %{***siJca4ti***} , %{-
te} (once in RV. x , 96 , 1 , %{se4cate} pf. %{siSeca} , %{siSice} 
[in RV. also %{sisicuH} , %{sisice}] ; aor. %{asicat} , %{-cata} 
[Gr. also %{asikta}] ; Subj. %{sicAmahe} RV. ; Prec. %{sicyAt} Br. ; 
fut. %{sekSyati} , %{-te} ib. c. ; inf. %{sektum} MBh. %{sektavai} 
Br. ; ind. p. %{siktvA} ib. ; %{-si4cya} AV. ; %{-secam} or %{-
sekam} , (Gr2S3rS.) , to pour out , discharge , emit , shed , infuse 
or pour into or on (loc.) RV. c.c. ; to emit semen , impregnate 
RV. AV. Br. Mn. ; to scatter in small drops , sprinkle , besprinkle 
or moisten with (instr.) RV. c. c. ; to dip , soak , steep Bhpr. ; 
to cast or form anything out of molten metal c. (2 acc.) RV. AV. 
AitBr.: Pass. %{sicyate} (ep. also %{-ti} ; aor. %{aseci}) , to be 
poured out or sprinkled RV. c. c.: Caus. %{secayati} , %{-te} (ep. 
also %{siJcayati} ; aor. %{asISicat} or %{asIsicat}) , to cause to 
pour out c. ; to sprinkle , water (plants c.) MBh. Ka1v. c.: 
Desid. %{siSikSati} or %{sisikSati} ; %{-te} Gr. (cf. %{sisikSA}): 
Intens. %{sesicyate} , %{sesekti}. [Cf. Zd. {hincaiti} ; Gk. $ [?] ; 
Angl.Sax. {seo4n} ; Germ. 366885[1214 ,1] {seihen} , {seichen}.]  


Any suggestions for the most suitable meaning as to the Bhoja-vRtti
are welcome! ;)

FWIW, it seems a bit weird that a clause has two predicate verbs
(mehati, siñcati), but the only way I can de-sandhi 'siñcatiiti'
is 'siñcati + iti'. In principle it could also of course be
sandhi for 'siñcatii + iti', but that doesn't seem to be
a valid form from 'mih'. 

From the form 'meghamaana' (present participle?) under 'mih'
we can see that the noun 'megha' is also prolly derived
from the root 'mih'.

The phrase beginning with 'prakRSTam' and ending with 'saadhakam'
seems to be the direct object of that clause, provided we
assume that 'saadhaka' refers to a person, and thus is in accusative
singular, because nominative singular would be 'saadhakaH'.
But according to M-W, 'saadhaka' can also be a neuter noun,
in which case 'saadhakam' could be nominative *or* accusative 
singular, because in Sanskrit as in Latin, nouns, whose nominative 
and accusative are identical in form, are called neuter gender words.

But let's bravely assume that 'saadhaka' above refers to
a person, and thus is in accusative case, and by that token
the object of that sentence. That leaves 'dharma-meghaH' the
only possible subject for that sentence despite the fact 
that it's preceded by 'iti' which would make it simultaneously
some kind of apposition, or stuff.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sep 30, 2007, at 10:34 AM, sgrayatlarge wrote:
snip
  I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just
  making excuses based on a very questionable theory?
 
 Pretty obvious to most objective observers.
 
 But, believe it or not, there are still some that actually believe
 in the ME. Apparently no one bothered to tell the remaining 
 believers that the level of coherence generated by their 
 practices was actually considered scientifically and statistically
 insignificant by credible neurophysiologists.

I should think this would be obvious, but
apparently not:

Actually, neurophysiologists, no matter how
credible, would hardly be the appropriate
experts to determine whether the ME works.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on Ken's Burns The War

[Bhairitu]

authfriend wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 authfriend wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
   
   In fact the impression I got was that 
   
   
 the war was more a failed exercise in trying to
 reduce the world's population dramatically.  And there
 is a section on how they got people in the US to buy
 bonds to finance the war but no answer as to who made 
 all the money off the weapons sales.  That should be
 part of the story too.
 
 
 Then it would be a very different documentary
 with a whole different purpose and approach.
   
   
 But any thinking person watching the documentary will begin
 to ponder how the madmen came to power.  They didn't just do
 it by themselves.
 

 If you made a documentary that covered every
 single aspect of World War II, it would run
 every week for at least a year.

   
 Some folks here ought to be asking how MMY became so big too.
 

 LOL!! You got a conspiracy theory for that as well?
Then we have the Mother of All Conspiracy Theories that 19 Arabs armed 
with boxcutters started WWIII.  That one is a doozy!

Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY on Phase Transition

[Bhairitu]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Be unshakable now!



 We are in the middle of the phase transition.  -  Maharishi strongly 
 emphasised the 
 great need to be completely self-referral during these times of very rapid 
 phase 
 transition. He said that there was quite a lot of unsettledness ('bubbling 
 around') in 
 world consciousness at present and that it is the responsibility of the whole 
 meditating family, who are creating a stable basis for the transition to take 
 place as 
 quickly and as smoothly as possible, not to feel shaken. This is very 
 necessary 
 because on the surface the phase transition is so violent.

 In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for that shaking 
 to remain 
 under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para, have to be Para 
 i.e. 
 unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated state, the fast moving 
 chaos 
 and change will pass away in a steady manner. So we have to be very steady.

 Maharishi referred to the 'Sahasra Ati Sri Rudra Abhivishek' yagya at present 
 being 
 performed ... and indicated that this was creating an enormous shaking around 
 in 
 world consciousness. Rudra corresponds to the dynamism value in nature (as 
 'RRR' 
 in Rig-Veda) and this dynamism is what is being released by the yagya and 
 causing 
 the shaking at all levels of creation. When the eight prakritis (the basic 
 building 
 blocks of creation) are shaken, Apara (i.e. relativity) is getting sorted out 
 to come 
 into coherence with Para (i.e. absolute). The yagya involves 11 times 11 
 times 11 
 pundits ... 

 We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big things. If we loose 
 our basis, 
 our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer. Don't give 
 importance to 
 things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very precious time for 
 the 
 world. Everything depends on how our awareness is; just don't let it be 
 shaken. Our 
 awareness is the basis of all these transformations. More than ever before we 
 are 
 ourselves. We are at the basis of the power of Rudra. Time demands we remain 
 completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for us we should 
 not 
 become angry, indifferent, or sad, we should just be like an ocean.

 The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; then after 
 some 
 time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening is added ... 
 It is the 
 awakening of both values: Para and Apara, says Maharishi.



 _









 Jai Guru Dev
   
Wow! A lot of talk here to make the ego-bound TM'ers feel real 
important and provide delusions of grandeur.  If meditators are 
enlightened no mention needs to be made we just observe the changes.  
We've discussed the waves of stress in the global consciousness here and 
some of us get ridiculed as conspiracy theorists for pointing out the 
bigger picture by those too blind to see.  It would be something 
different if MMY just mentioned that there are a lot of changes coming 
down and isn't it interesting and leave out the ego stroking of TM'ers.






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[FairfieldLife] Rick, Do You Care To Addres The Flaming?

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I am not surprised that someone who is as unstable as you, 
Duveyoung, who plays in traffic on contraptions designed to swerve 
into on- coming vehicles would support someone like Dennis Kucinich.
 The guy's a Marxist. And a nutjob. Like attracts like.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield

[Duveyoung]

Pluto is ruled by Shiva -- eh, references?  Make sure the refs are
at least a thousand years old.  

But just for funzies, who rules the Oort Cloud?  And, er, all the
moons of the planets in our solar system must be godlets of some sort,
so name and explain them.  And when a meteor falls, is that a minor
god dying?  

Again, I went to many well respect astrologers and none of them, not a
single one predicted the great tribulations I was about to face or
even the significant disasters of my past.  These were huge things but
not a word from any of them -- and they all took my money without
guilt.  Yet, a globe that is not big enough to be a planet, never
named in any Jyotish text, is touted as the highest of the highest God
influencing us deeply with a stream of photons that only the best
telescopes of modern day can see.

Meanwhile, here am I believing that Arunachala is Shiva.  

Sigh.

None of the planets shine with their own light, and Arunachala too
reflects the sun's vibe, and I'm betting Ramana Maharshi would agree
that that mountain was far more important than any unseen orb's
reflections or gravitation.

Not that I'm going to buy a ticket to India, I'm just saying.

New concept:  Once I took a Majorcan moonlight stroll with Maharishi
Mahesh Yogi -- along with about 200 others trailing him, and I don't
remember his words, but his concept was that the Moon was a powerhouse
of LOVE shining on all of us that night.  Here's the new concept: if
Maharishi is enlightened, is pure love, then his loving the Moon was
what?wait for itwait.HIS OWN LOVE BEING REFLECTED OFF OF
THAT ORB.  Enlightened persons are bright lights of some sort, right?
 What they see in the world is what reflects back to them -- where
another pure soul is encountered, the reflection is most perfect and
the love sent is the least absorbed.  I love this idea.  Talk amongst
yourselves..it's buttah.

Edg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You may remember Lou, and if you've been around longer, LB. I highly
 recommend LB's show. You can listen wherever you are in the world by
tuning
 in at 1pm Central Time every Wednesday at HYPERLINK
 http://www.kruufm.com/http://www.kruufm.com/. Click on the left
where it
 says Listen to our Live Stream. You can call in to the show at (641)
 209-1083.
 
 Dear Friends of Fairfield,   HYPERLINK
 http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/objcts/anmls/clips/dove-clip;
 
  
 
 I will be interviewed by LB Shriver on Wednesday October 3rd from
1:00 to
 2:00PM on KRUU Radio which is 100.1 on your FM dial. If you can't
tune in
 tell your friends. He will interview me about my book The Future of
Yoga
 endorsed by Deepak Chopra and available at 21st Century Books. Ask
Tony the
 store manager for a copy. It's on sale for $10.00. 
 
  
 
 I will also be talking about Pluto transiting through the sign of
Capricorn
 and its effect from the start of 2008 through the spring of 2009. The
 effects for Fairfield Iowa because both Maharishi and Tony Nader are
born
 under the sign of Capricorn in the Western system. Pluto is ruled by
Shiva
 so this directly effects our tradition. 
 
  
 
 I have met so many people in Fairfield and have been here for almost
three
 months now. There is so much to do and so many people to meet. I look
 forward to seeing all of you from time to time and continue to pray and
 meditate for world peace. Thank you for your sharing's of life. It
has and
 continues to enrich my life.
 
  
 
 I will also start to advertise astrological readings for both
Western and
 Vedic or combined. You can visit my website at HYPERLINK
 http://www.yogavisionaries.com/Astrological Varieties for more
 information. See you soon.
 
  
 
 Love and Light,
 
 Lou Valentino
 
 Jai Guru Dev
 
  
 
 PS. For those who feel comfortable opening an attachment I have
attached a
 song I wrote for Maharishi.
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev 1945 on enemies

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 One who has set in his heart the concept of the transitoriness of 
 the world through a process of reasoning and deep thought, is the 
 person competent to win over the inner hexagon. Because, one who 
is 
 convinced of the transitoriness of the entire world complex cannot 
be 
 susceptible to greed or attachment to anything, for he knows that 
the 
 object of his greed or attachment today will be something 
different 
 tomorrow. Conscious of this disappointment, desires and 
attachments 
 do not germinate in his mind. Nay, their very seed is destroyed. 
Then 
 jealousy also is gone. He is no longer vain about his greatness, 
 learning or wealth. When greed, attachment, vanity and jealousy 
 disappear, there is no cause left for anger and anger goes away 
 automatically. His desires recede and turn to God, with the result 
 that now his worldly actions are dictated by a sense of duty 
rather 
 than by passion. His behaviour automatically becomes proper and he 
 lives in the world without being affected by it, just as a lotus 
leaf 
 lives in water without getting wet. Such a man has no external 
 enemies left, and his sameness rules over the whole Nature. None 
is 
 capable of disturbing his kingdom of peace. It is such a person 
who 
 is samadarshii (impartial, dispassionate) and a great victor, 
who 
 can carry the world towards the goal of lasting peace and 
happiness.
 
 Therefore, a victory over the inner hexagon is the highest form of 
 victory, and it is to achieving this great victory that man should 
 direct his efforts.'
 
Thanks for posting this.:-)

[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment description like you have not heard

[Ron]

 Well it certainly sounds hilarious!

0- it IS - it is the great cosmic joke - as there is no one there 
to be Enlightened. What remains is Reality. There is Bliss but 
not a someone to be blissful. The past is over as if it never was. 
The Divine Essence which is Life is what is paramount and Known. 
One cannot manufacture it with mundane mind. One cannot fathom 
it in imagination. It is not what one surmises it to be no matter how 
astute their intellectualizms may be. It is a Mystery and Wonder. 

Maha Shanti 

[FairfieldLife] Lurker notice in out Yahoo group

[Ron]

Om Namo Narayan 0 - 

why is it that ego has the egotisitcal mindset that through 
lurking one has no obligations to support what is given 
here, and that if one just remains under the radar that they 
will hear Just the Right thing and then they can do it ALL 
on their own. 

If ego could do it on it's own and didn't need 
a Guru at all then there would be no need to lurk and Hope 
to glean just the *right* thing in order to progress. 

If you feel you need No Guru and can do it all on your own - 
this is quite fine - then go do so. But be honest in this. 
Don't play the game of conning yourself that chasing 
teacher after teacher and Darshan after Darshan is consistent 
with doing it All on *your* own. That is a lie of the egotistical 
mind. 

So either participate here or unsub and enjoy your journey. 
The choice is yours - and for those who are deaf and have 
not ears to hear or seem to think that they are the Except to 
this rule - the choice will be made for you. 

The methodolgy here may not be for everyone - and that is 
fine, but don't hang here as this site is a priviledge and not 
a right simply because there is an open membership. 

Respect the site - respect the teachers and teachings - respect 
the practices and if using them, then support and give back 
for what is being given. To not do so in some manner is to be 
less than honest. The first 3 things taught here are 

1. Honesty 
2. Integrity 
3. Transparency 

If these are not willing to be followed through with then please 
enjoy your journey to greener pastures which are always on the 
other side of the fence. 

For those who are following through may your journey's continue to 
unfold to Realization where suffering is no more. 

Maha Shanti 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 11:53 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU
Radio in Fairfield

 

New concept: Once I took a Majorcan moonlight stroll with Maharishi
Mahesh Yogi -- along with about 200 others trailing him, and I don't
remember his words, but his concept was that the Moon was a powerhouse
of LOVE shining on all of us that night. 

I was once in a small room with a group of people watching Maharishi discuss
something with Vernon Katz. Maharishi commented that the Pitris (HYPERLINK
http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Wood-NuttallEncyclopaedia/p/pitris.htmlhttp://
www.fromoldbooks.org/Wood-NuttallEncyclopaedia/p/pitris.html) live on the
moon. I said something like, “How can they live on the moon? There’s no
air.” Maharishi looked at me like I was an idiot and carried on. On another
occasion, on a full moon boat ride, Maharishi said something about the moon
producing soma. I asked him to elaborate, and he said, “Isn’t it obvious?”
Oh well.


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[FairfieldLife] Come on already! /Re: Lurker notice in out Yahoo group

[Bronte Baxter]

Gimminee critters, Ron. Here you go again. You are a nice, sincere guy, but 
this proselytizing is a drag. Isn't it an edifice of the ego, that you are 
always decrying? 
   
  Who are you to tell lurkers on this site that they are not welcome just to 
read the posts, and what authority do you have to analyze give advice on the 
spiritual life of strangers? It's one thing to present your fundamentalist 
opinions. There's a certain enjoyment for others in reading them. If nothing 
else, it clarifies what we object to and why. But to lay into people you don't 
even know and tell them what they ought to do smacks of spiritual arrogance. 
   
  Why not be who you are, and let those who resonnate naturally join up with 
you. This little epistle is reminiscent of the bible thumpers from another 
tradition, who share many of your same attitudes. Give it a rest. People are 
welcome to come here, to read, to post, to leave, whatever they feel to do. 
It's not your job to be gatekeeper.
   
  - Bronte
   

Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Om Namo Narayan 0 - 

why is it that ego has the egotisitcal mindset that through 
lurking one has no obligations to support what is given 
here, and that if one just remains under the radar that they 
will hear Just the Right thing and then they can do it ALL 
on their own. 

If ego could do it on it's own and didn't need 
a Guru at all then there would be no need to lurk and Hope 
to glean just the *right* thing in order to progress. 

If you feel you need No Guru and can do it all on your own - 
this is quite fine - then go do so. But be honest in this. 
Don't play the game of conning yourself that chasing 
teacher after teacher and Darshan after Darshan is consistent 
with doing it All on *your* own. That is a lie of the egotistical 
mind. 

So either participate here or unsub and enjoy your journey. 
The choice is yours - and for those who are deaf and have 
not ears to hear or seem to think that they are the Except to 
this rule - the choice will be made for you. 

The methodolgy here may not be for everyone - and that is 
fine, but don't hang here as this site is a priviledge and not 
a right simply because there is an open membership. 

Respect the site - respect the teachers and teachings - respect 
the practices and if using them, then support and give back 
for what is being given. To not do so in some manner is to be 
less than honest. The first 3 things taught here are 

1. Honesty 
2. Integrity 
3. Transparency 

If these are not willing to be followed through with then please 
enjoy your journey to greener pastures which are always on the 
other side of the fence. 

For those who are following through may your journey's continue to 
unfold to Realization where suffering is no more. 

Maha Shanti 



 

   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield

[Peter]

When I read, I am a volunteer of the intergalactic
federation. on Lou's website, I know its time to
stop reading.  ;-)

--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You may remember Lou, and if you’ve been around
 longer, LB. I highly
 recommend LB’s show. You can listen wherever you are
 in the world by tuning
 in at 1pm Central Time every Wednesday at HYPERLINK
 http://www.kruufm.com/http://www.kruufm.com/.
 Click on the left where it
 says Listen to our Live Stream. You can call in to
 the show at (641)
 209-1083.
 
 Dear Friends of Fairfield,  
 HYPERLINK

http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/objcts/anmls/clips/dove-clip;
 
  
 
 I will be interviewed by LB Shriver on Wednesday
 October 3rd from 1:00 to
 2:00PM on KRUU Radio which is 100.1 on your FM dial.
 If you can't tune in
 tell your friends. He will interview me about my
 book The Future of Yoga
 endorsed by Deepak Chopra and available at 21st
 Century Books. Ask Tony the
 store manager for a copy. It's on sale for $10.00. 
 
  
 
 I will also be talking about Pluto transiting
 through the sign of Capricorn
 and its effect from the start of 2008 through the
 spring of 2009. The
 effects for Fairfield Iowa because both Maharishi
 and Tony Nader are born
 under the sign of Capricorn in the Western system.
 Pluto is ruled by Shiva
 so this directly effects our tradition. 
 
  
 
 I have met so many people in Fairfield and have been
 here for almost three
 months now. There is so much to do and so many
 people to meet. I look
 forward to seeing all of you from time to time and
 continue to pray and
 meditate for world peace. Thank you for your
 sharing's of life. It has and
 continues to enrich my life.
 
  
 
 I will also start to advertise astrological readings
 for both Western and
 Vedic or combined. You can visit my website at
 HYPERLINK
 http://www.yogavisionaries.com/Astrological
 Varieties for more
 information. See you soon.
 
  
 
 Love and Light,
 
 Lou Valentino
 
 Jai Guru Dev
 
  
 
 PS. For those who feel comfortable opening an
 attachment I have attached a
 song I wrote for Maharishi.
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Millionaire Ayurveda shopkeepers

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  bob_brigante wrote:
 
  I haven't quite figured this out -- are they saying 
  you have to sell $50K a month of AV products? 
  If so, only a few big city placements will do this well, I think.
 
 this could work, if MAPI products became popular ... but only if
 there is a -very strong- and -constant- TV advertising campaign
 that actually *inspires* the average consumer. (like Apple iPod ads,
 for example.)
 
  The winning point of the program is that every participating shop 
  will be provided about $50,000 worth of Maharishi Ayurveda products 
  (retail cost) every month and in addition about $10,000 will be spent 
  per shop in national and state-wide publicity, 
 
 my guess is, this is by far not a big enough advertising budget
 for the kind of sucess they are dreaming of.

Sounds like the  'Nigerian' branch of Millioaire Ayeurvedic
shopkeeping to me Give us a million and we'll give back some of
the interest, maybe

JohnY

RE: [FairfieldLife] Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:20 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU
Radio in Fairfield

 

When I read, I am a volunteer of the intergalactic
federation. on Lou's website, I know its time to
stop reading. ;-)

What federation do you belong to? Some puny sub-galactic one? And are you a
volunteer or are you paid?


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[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have been carefully staying out of this,
 partly because, on the few non-argument-
 driven forums I hang out in on the Net,
 abortion is a banned issue.
 
 The reason is that, as someone said earlier,
 one is either pregnant or one isn't. It's
 that kinda issue.
 
 You're either for or against. Like
 pregnancy itself, it's tough to find a 
 middle ground amongst all the rhetoric.
 
 So, just for something fun to do on a 
 sunny afternoon in Sitges after a rain,
 with the environment washed clean and my
 self feeling similarly so, I think I'll
 actually violate a personal rule and
 weigh in on the subject. Just this once.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016
 mainstream20016@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing
 oneradiantbeing@ wrote:
  
   Mainstream: The wanton disregard of the fetus in determining 
   to abort is incredibly cruel.
 
 Mainstream, have you ever been the guy 
 helping a woman to get through an abortion?
 
 From the way you speak, I have to imagine
 that you have not. I have, several times. And
 none of the fetuses in question had the slight-
 est DNA link to my own. I tried to help the 
 women through a painful experience because 
 they were in pain and I wanted to help, in 
 any way I could.
 
 One of the only ways in which I found that I
 *could* be helpful was just not to judge.
 
 I'm sorry, but there is just one enormous load
 of judgment in your statement above. It's in 
 the second and third words of the sentence.
 
 'Wanton disregard' of the fetus? 
 
 How about wanton disregard of the carrier of
 the fetus? 
 
 It is *not* as if abortion is an easy decision.
 You're trying to make it sound as if it is one.
 
 I'm sorry, but if you had been the shoulder to
 cry on for as many women who have made the 
 decision to have an abortion as I have, I don't 
 think you'd talk the way you did above.
 
   DS: I believe it's more cruel for a religion or government 
   to abduct the bodily rights of a living individual and 
   force them to reproduce against their will.
 
 The bottom line is actually more sinister than
 that. When abortion is banned, the religion or
 government in question has abducted the woman's
 right to *have* a will.
 
 It's a power game. They're trying to impose 
 *their* will on the will of all the women whom
 they mistakenly think they govern. Whether it's
 a priest or a state governor, it's almost always
 a man. And that man is saying to the women he is
 supposed to *represent* within a democracy, So
 I understand that you think you have a will. I'm 
 here to tell you that you don't have one. No matter
 what *you* decide about this fetus dwelling within
 you, I am here to say -- definitively -- that your
 ideas on this matter Just Don't Count. *I* am the
 one who gets to decide what is right and what is 
 wrong in such matters, not you. Live with it. And
 if you don't *like* living with it, please remem-
 ber that I have the right [in the near past and,
 if some people get their way, in one possible 
 future] to throw you in jail / excommunicate you. 
 But you do what you think is right. I'll wait.
 
  If one doesn't want to reproduce, one should prevent pregnancy. 
  There are many convenient ways of preventing pregnancy.
 
 There are many convenient ways of trying. Not 
 one of them is foolproof.
 
 Every one of the women I helped get through an
 abortion was practicing -- and regularly, without
 a single exception -- some purportedly effective 
 means of birth control. 
 
 I'm sorry, Mainstream, but you're talkin' like a 
 priest or a politician -- and above all, like a 
 GUY -- trying your best to make women feel really, 
 really, really, really BAD about contemplating an 
 abortion, or having had one in the past. And in 
 my book, that puts you on a very, very, very, very 
 different plane of attention than the women I held 
 while they sobbed their way through the experience 
 you so blithely call wanton disregard of the fetus.
 
 You have NOTHING to say about it.
 
 It's not your body.
 
 It's not your decision.

You pose your declaration as though I were blocking the entrance to an 
abortiion clinic in 
protest.  How dare you suggest I refrain from expressing my thinking that 
abortion is 
cruel!  Regarding your compassionate support to so many women tormented by 
their 
decision to abort -  I think you had alot more involvement in their basic 
predicament, and 
that you lobbied for the eventual  decision that caused them so much pain.   
   

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I have been carefully staying out of this,
  partly because, on the few non-argument-
  driven forums I hang out in on the Net,
  abortion is a banned issue.
  
  The reason is that, as someone said earlier,
  one is either pregnant or one isn't. It's
  that kinda issue.
  
  You're either for or against. Like
  pregnancy itself, it's tough to find a 
  middle ground amongst all the rhetoric.
  
  So, just for something fun to do on a 
  sunny afternoon in Sitges after a rain,
  with the environment washed clean and my
  self feeling similarly so, I think I'll
  actually violate a personal rule and
  weigh in on the subject. Just this once.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016
  mainstream20016@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing
  oneradiantbeing@ wrote:
   
Mainstream: The wanton disregard of the fetus in determining 
to abort is incredibly cruel.
  
  Mainstream, have you ever been the guy 
  helping a woman to get through an abortion?
  
  From the way you speak, I have to imagine
  that you have not. I have, several times. And
  none of the fetuses in question had the slight-
  est DNA link to my own. I tried to help the 
  women through a painful experience because 
  they were in pain and I wanted to help, in 
  any way I could.
  
  One of the only ways in which I found that I
  *could* be helpful was just not to judge.
  
  I'm sorry, but there is just one enormous load
  of judgment in your statement above. It's in 
  the second and third words of the sentence.
  
  'Wanton disregard' of the fetus? 
  
  How about wanton disregard of the carrier of
  the fetus? 
  
  It is *not* as if abortion is an easy decision.
  You're trying to make it sound as if it is one.
  
  I'm sorry, but if you had been the shoulder to
  cry on for as many women who have made the 
  decision to have an abortion as I have, I don't 
  think you'd talk the way you did above.
  
DS: I believe it's more cruel for a religion or government 
to abduct the bodily rights of a living individual and 
force them to reproduce against their will.
  
  The bottom line is actually more sinister than
  that. When abortion is banned, the religion or
  government in question has abducted the woman's
  right to *have* a will.
  
  It's a power game. They're trying to impose 
  *their* will on the will of all the women whom
  they mistakenly think they govern. Whether it's
  a priest or a state governor, it's almost always
  a man. And that man is saying to the women he is
  supposed to *represent* within a democracy, So
  I understand that you think you have a will. I'm 
  here to tell you that you don't have one. No matter
  what *you* decide about this fetus dwelling within
  you, I am here to say -- definitively -- that your
  ideas on this matter Just Don't Count. *I* am the
  one who gets to decide what is right and what is 
  wrong in such matters, not you. Live with it. And
  if you don't *like* living with it, please remem-
  ber that I have the right [in the near past and,
  if some people get their way, in one possible 
  future] to throw you in jail / excommunicate you. 
  But you do what you think is right. I'll wait.
  
   If one doesn't want to reproduce, one should prevent pregnancy. 
   There are many convenient ways of preventing pregnancy.
  
  There are many convenient ways of trying. Not 
  one of them is foolproof.
  
  Every one of the women I helped get through an
  abortion was practicing -- and regularly, without
  a single exception -- some purportedly effective 
  means of birth control. 
  
  I'm sorry, Mainstream, but you're talkin' like a 
  priest or a politician -- and above all, like a 
  GUY -- trying your best to make women feel really, 
  really, really, really BAD about contemplating an 
  abortion, or having had one in the past. And in 
  my book, that puts you on a very, very, very, very 
  different plane of attention than the women I held 
  while they sobbed their way through the experience 
  you so blithely call wanton disregard of the fetus.
  
  You have NOTHING to say about it.
  
  It's not your body.
  
  It's not your decision.
 
 You pose your declaration as though I were blocking the 
 entrance to an abortiion clinic in protest. How dare you 
 suggest I refrain from expressing my thinking that abortion 
 is cruel!  Regarding your compassionate support to so 
 many women tormented by their decision to abort -  I think 
 you had alot more involvement in their basic predicament, 
 and that you lobbied for the eventual decision that caused 
 them so much pain.

Wow.

This is so insane that I'm a little afraid.

Now you know why I don't discuss abortion;
it brings out the inner fanatic in people.

[FairfieldLife] Come on already! /Re: Lurker notice in out Yahoo group

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gimminee critters, Ron. Here you go again. You are a nice, sincere 
guy, but this proselytizing is a drag. Isn't it an edifice of the 
ego, that you are always decrying? 

   Who are you to tell lurkers on this site that they are not 
welcome just to read the posts, and what authority do you have to 
analyze give advice on the spiritual life of strangers?

Er, Bronte, read the original thread title again,
then look at the end of the post. Ron is quoting
the post of somebody called Maha Shanti who appears
to be the moderator of another Yahoo group in which
Ron participates. It's not Ron telling lurkers on
FFL that they aren't welcome.








 It's one thing to present your fundamentalist opinions. There's a 
certain enjoyment for others in reading them. If nothing else, it 
clarifies what we object to and why. But to lay into people you don't 
even know and tell them what they ought to do smacks of spiritual 
arrogance. 

   Why not be who you are, and let those who resonnate naturally 
join up with you. This little epistle is reminiscent of the bible 
thumpers from another tradition, who share many of your same 
attitudes. Give it a rest. People are welcome to come here, to read, 
to post, to leave, whatever they feel to do. It's not your job to be 
gatekeeper.

   - Bronte

 
 Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Om Namo Narayan 0 - 
 
 why is it that ego has the egotisitcal mindset that through 
 lurking one has no obligations to support what is given 
 here, and that if one just remains under the radar that they 
 will hear Just the Right thing and then they can do it ALL 
 on their own. 
 
 If ego could do it on it's own and didn't need 
 a Guru at all then there would be no need to lurk and Hope 
 to glean just the *right* thing in order to progress. 
 
 If you feel you need No Guru and can do it all on your own - 
 this is quite fine - then go do so. But be honest in this. 
 Don't play the game of conning yourself that chasing 
 teacher after teacher and Darshan after Darshan is consistent 
 with doing it All on *your* own. That is a lie of the egotistical 
 mind. 
 
 So either participate here or unsub and enjoy your journey. 
 The choice is yours - and for those who are deaf and have 
 not ears to hear or seem to think that they are the Except to 
 this rule - the choice will be made for you. 
 
 The methodolgy here may not be for everyone - and that is 
 fine, but don't hang here as this site is a priviledge and not 
 a right simply because there is an open membership. 
 
 Respect the site - respect the teachers and teachings - respect 
 the practices and if using them, then support and give back 
 for what is being given. To not do so in some manner is to be 
 less than honest. The first 3 things taught here are 
 
 1. Honesty 
 2. Integrity 
 3. Transparency 
 
 If these are not willing to be followed through with then please 
 enjoy your journey to greener pastures which are always on the 
 other side of the fence. 
 
 For those who are following through may your journey's continue to 
 unfold to Realization where suffering is no more. 
 
 Maha Shanti 
 
 
 
  
 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino interviewed by LB Shriver on KRUU Radio in Fairfield

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When I read, I am a volunteer of the intergalactic
 federation. on Lou's website, I know its time to
 stop reading.  ;-)

You would prefer that he was a paid employee? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition

[ve-da]

.





The date of the lecture of MMY (to which this text relates) is the: 5th May 
1992.

The message of this text is just as fresh and relevant as if the message were 
from today  -  as the global (and personal?) 
turbulance is going on ... 

It seems to be a very long going on turbulent phase transition. 

(But: Be aware of the lenght of the ages ...!)

So the message Don't get shaken. Stay by your Self is still to be taken 
seriously.

Maharishi strongly emphasised the great need to be completely self-referral 
during these times ...! 

Jai Guru Dev


__


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 30.09.07 01:19:40
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
MMY on Phase Transition




Be unshakable now!



We are in the middle of the phase transition.  -  Maharishi strongly emphasised 
the 
great need to be completely self-referral during these times of very rapid 
phase 
transition. He said that there was quite a lot of unsettledness ('bubbling 
around') in 
world consciousness at present and that it is the responsibility of the whole 
meditating family, who are creating a stable basis for the transition to take 
place as 
quickly and as smoothly as possible, not to feel shaken. This is very necessary 
because on the surface the phase transition is so violent.

In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for that shaking to 
remain 
under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para, have to be Para   
  i.e. 
unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated state, the fast moving 
chaos 
and change will pass away in a steady manner. So we have to be very steady.

Maharishi referred to the 'Sahasra Ati Sri Rudra Abhivishek' yagya at present 
being 
performed ... and indicated that this was creating an enormous shaking around 
in 
world consciousness. Rudra corresponds to the dynamism value in nature (as 
'RRR' 
in Rig-Veda) and this dynamism is what is being released by the yagya and 
causing 
the shaking at all levels of creation. When the eight prakritis (the basic 
building 
blocks of creation) are shaken, Apara (i.e. relativity) is getting sorted out 
to come 
into coherence with Para (i.e. absolute). The yagya involves 11 times 11 times 
11 
pundits ... 

We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big things. If we loose our 
basis, 
our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer. Don't give importance 
to 
things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very precious time for the 
world. Everything depends on how our awareness is; just don't let it be shaken. 
Our 
awareness is the basis of all these transformations. More than ever before we 
are 
ourselves. We are at the basis of the power of Rudra. Time demands we remain 
completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for us we should 
not 
become angry, indifferent, or sad, we should just be like an ocean.

The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; then after 
some 
time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening is added ... It 
is the 
awakening of both values: Para and Apara, says Maharishi.



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Jai Guru Dev
















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[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016
 mainstream20016@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
snip
   You have NOTHING to say about it.
   
   It's not your body.
   
   It's not your decision.
  
  You pose your declaration as though I were blocking the 
  entrance to an abortiion clinic in protest. How dare you 
  suggest I refrain from expressing my thinking that abortion 
  is cruel!

snip

 Wow.
 
 This is so insane that I'm a little afraid.
 
 Now you know why I don't discuss abortion;
 it brings out the inner fanatic in people.

Actually, he's right on target in the part I quoted.

Whether what men have to say, pro or con, about
abortion *counts* is one thing; it's quite another
to tell them they have no right to express an
opinion.

Just imagine the fireworks if someone told Barry
he had nothing to say about something upon
which he'd made one of his pronouncements!

[FairfieldLife] Come on already! /Re: Lurker notice in out Yahoo group

[Ron]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter 
 brontebaxter8@ wrote:
 
  Gimminee critters, Ron. Here you go again. You are a nice, sincere 
 guy, but this proselytizing is a drag. Isn't it an edifice of the 
 ego, that you are always decrying? 
 
Who are you to tell lurkers on this site that they are not 
 welcome just to read the posts, and what authority do you have to 
 analyze give advice on the spiritual life of strangers?
 
 Er, Bronte, read the original thread title again,
 then look at the end of the post. Ron is quoting
 the post of somebody called Maha Shanti who appears
 to be the moderator of another Yahoo group in which
 Ron participates. It's not Ron telling lurkers on
 FFL that they aren't welcome.
 
Yes, I was just posting what takes place in my yahoo group I belong to which is 
my path. 
But I was cracking up when I read Bronte's post. I totally agree with the 
points if I were 
directing the comments to this group. hope this clears that up.

Hridaya

[FairfieldLife] Comments from an enlightened one

[Ron]

Note From Hridaya- I pick out interesting comments from the enlightened in my 
Path- 0= 
Swami G, S= Swami Fisshananda, and then Sarojini. These short comments coming 
from 
the three have similar or the same air to them because it is that One essence 
from which 
they speak. Maybe some enjoy these here:

Question from seeker:

* It must be both sad and funny to see 
 the seeker running around looking for
 that which is already right there in
 the very midst of them, but it is not
 so funny for the one who suffers, and
 is so caught up in ego they are blind
 to the very 'Thing', which is already 
 right there - NOW.

S - The laughter that bubbles up from the absolute
is like a fountainit is not directed at 
anything or any-one at all (that is what is so funny and brings
more laughter). All who have awakened to the true
nature have walked the very same path as others
the path of ignorance (attachment to body and mind).

To see others struggling and know that the struggle
and suffering is needless, that there is another
reality to be entered that gives rise to freedom and joy
here and NOW is why the awakened one gives pointings
and continues working with humanity. 

[FairfieldLife] oops- S= Swami Siddhananda

[Ron]

Title says it all

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition

[BillyG.]

Personally I think it's all wishful thinking, it would be nice if it 
actually were true. I mean, you know the Purushas actually functioning
from the home of all the laws of nature, but I doubt any of them have
even fully transcended once! (Don't forget, kundalini is the path of
transcending, there is no other way to enlightenment and if only one
or two actually do transcend that still does not quality to achieve
the MMY effect!

[FairfieldLife] Yogic flyer spotted in Romania

[tertonzeno]

Superman Seen Over Romania 
  Romania: Investigations are underway into claims by approximately 
twenty villagers from Gemeni in Mehedinti county that a figure that 
looked remarkably like Superman flew above their village for a period 
of time.

According to local police all the witness statements are 
consistent. He looked like Superman and was flying slowly at about 
100 yards from the ground in a standing position. He didn't make any 
smoke or sound. Just cruising around, said one witness.

We talked to people of different ages who are all reliable citizens 
in our village. They all said they saw this strange creature who flew 
over their houses in his shiny blue costume. We'll just have to see 
what happens next, said a police officer.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace
 
 Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years and 
 we don't seem anywhere near peace. Either this works or it 
doesn't. 
 I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just 
 making excuses based on a very questionable theory?
 
 Shiva is appeased by both devas and asuras.
 

*

NASA did some work on the ketchup transition, and I believe it's 
relevant to the phase transition that MMY is talking about, which 
really began when Guru Dev left his cave to bring enlightenment to 
the world, determined to shake out the entropy.

Although the phenomenon of shear thinning in fluids is not really 
understood, it's analogous to another phase transition, the 
transition from high disorder in the Kaliyuga to the orderliness and 
bliss of the Sat Yuga:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/07jun_elastic_fluids.htm

The change from K- to S- yuga will be real quick, like ketchup 
leaving the bottle, but it's not obvious that anything is happening 
until it happens. As MMY sez, we're shaking the enlightenment bottle, 
and if you don't have confidence that that is what is happening, 
that's OK, but don't be surprised when the world changes:

The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; 
then after some time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, 
awakening is added ...





 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest 
  george.deforest@ wrote:
  
   im curious when did the maharishi say this?
   is it in response to something recent, like
   the monks in Burma getting killed?
   
   or, is this a preperation for something
   on the horizon like another 9/11 that
   maharishi forsees?
   
   or is this an old quote from some privious times ...
   we've been hearing about phase transitions since
   the 70's, for heaven sake!
   
   ati rudra bishek, isnt that a yagya for peace?
   not shaking and fast moving chaos which is 
   the opposite
   
   
  
  **
  
  
  Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace, but those elements 
that 
  resist being orderly and peaceful will be shaken out of the 
 picture, 
  so we should avoid being shaken and just understand that the 
power 
 of 
  nature is just doing its thing and is behind this transition to 
  Satyuga:
  
  The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; 
  then after some time shake it again. Each time a new level of 
 purity, 
  awakening is added ...
  
   
ve-da wrote:

Be unshakable now!
We are in the middle of the phase transition.  -  Maharishi 
  strongly
   emphasised the 
great need to be completely self-referral during these times 
of 
  very
   rapid phase 
transition. He said that there was quite a lot of 
unsettledness
   ('bubbling around') in 
world consciousness at present and that it is the 
 responsibility 
  of
   the whole 
meditating family, who are creating a stable basis for the
   transition to take place as 
quickly and as smoothly as possible, not to feel shaken. This 
is
   very necessary 
because on the surface the phase transition is so violent.

In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and 
for 
  that
   shaking to remain 
under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para, 
 have
   to be Para i.e. 
unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated state, 
 the
   fast moving chaos 
and change will pass away in a steady manner. So we have to 
be 
  very
   steady.

Maharishi referred to the 'Sahasra Ati Sri Rudra Abhivishek' 
 yagya
   at present being 
performed ... and indicated that this was creating an enormous
   shaking around in 
world consciousness. Rudra corresponds to the dynamism value 
in
   nature (as 'RRR' 
in Rig-Veda) and this dynamism is what is being released by 
the
   yagya and causing 
the shaking at all levels of creation. When the eight 
prakritis 
  (the
   basic building 
blocks of creation) are shaken, Apara (i.e. relativity) is 
 getting
   sorted out to come 
into coherence with Para (i.e. absolute). The yagya involves 
11
   times 11 times 11 
pundits ... 

We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big 
things. 
 If
   we loose our basis, 
our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer. 
Don't 
  give
   importance to 
things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very 
 precious
   time for the 
world. Everything depends on how our awareness is; just don't 
 let 
  it
   be shaken. Our 
awareness is the basis of all these transformations. More 
than 
  ever
   before we are 
ourselves. We are at the basis of the power of Rudra. Time 
 demands
   we remain 
completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time 

[FairfieldLife] KN Rao on the Dreadful Year 2007

[shukra69]

http://www.journalofastrology.com/ARTICLES/dreadful_year_2007.htm

the Saturn - Ketu conjunction has started , the worst influence from
it is mid October when Saturn is weak due to its dispositer changing
signs.
The worst will be averted by the Yogis and Yagya performers of the
world, Maharishi chief amoung them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kundalini Through The Chakras

[Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?]

Thank you for your effort, Bill.  I've explored simplifying my message
further yet cannot find any simpler way of asking what I've asked, and no,
my question is not a statement, it is a question.



On 9/29/07, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Sorry, also, but I don't understand what you are looking for here. You
 asked for classic descriptions as well as personal experiences. These
 classical descriptions are found in the yoga and tantric texts of early and
 medieval Hinduism and Buddhism.

 Your reply seems unusual. Are you actually asking something that is a real
 question to you or are you wanting to make a statement about how things are?
 Perhaps you are looking for descriptions that accord with your own ideas as
 evidenced in your reply.

 Sorry, but I don't think I can help much. However, Vaj also shares this
 background, so perhaps you can query him.



 *Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer.
 Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:


 Regardless of what one believes, Bill, the kundalini precedes, in the
 continuity of the cosmos, such prejudices.  Symptoms of it passing through
 the chakras has to do with nonprejudicial experiences.

 So, I don't understand the question, sorry.

 *Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable
 thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such
 persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace
 to society.*
 *I want every person to be complete in themselves.  Your himsa has no
 place in my mission.*



 On 9/29/07, emptybill [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 
 
  Functionalist Buddhist Tantra or Structuralist Hindu Tantra?
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mystical Sadhu
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Does anyone have descriptions of experiences, perceptions resulting
  from
   raising the kundalini through the various chakras?
  
   Classic descriptions as well as personal experiences.
  
   Thank you,
  
   Satya
  
   When Shakyamuni Buddha was at Mount Grdhrakuta, he held up a flower to
  his
   listeners. Everyone was silent. Only Mahakashyapa broke into a broad
  smile.
   The Buddha said, I have the True Dharma Eye, the Marvelous Mind of
  Nirvana,
   the True Form of the Formless, and the Subtle Dharma Gate, independent
 
  of
   words and transmitted beyond doctrine. This I have entrusted to
  Mahakashyapa.

[FairfieldLife] Here's a parable

[Ron]

Namaste Beautiful ones,

Here's a parable:

There was a man who had heard of this great thing called air. He 
had never seen air before, experienced air before or even knew that 
air existed. So, he went to a local teacher of air to teach him all 
about it. 

What is air? Where is it? How can I find it?, he asked.
It is right here. All around you. You are in it right now., said 
the teacher.
Where? I don't see it? What does it look like? What should I be 
looking for? How do I catch it?, he responded.
There is no 'where', because it is everywhere. You can't see it 
because it is nothing. You can't look for it, because you will 
never find it. You can't catch it or hold it because it is 
nothing., answered the teacher.
Well, I want to be a part of this air that many say is what gives 
life. I want to understand it. I want to experience it. I want to 
swim in it, be in it and breathe in it.
You Already Always Are., replied the teacher.
I don't understand. I don't feel it. I don't see it. I can't 
hold it. I don't know what this air is or how to be in it., said 
the frustrated man. 
You would not be alive and breathing if it were not for this air, 
which can not be seen, touched, grasped or known as It IS. You 
believe it isn't right in front of you because of this. Yet, here, 
there, everywhere it Already Always IS. Silent and being... 
bringing life to your lungs., answered the understanding teacher.

So the man went home, exhausted and confused, hoping that he would 
be able to understand this air that brings life and wondering why he 
could not see, feel or touch what the teacher said was always 
there. That night during sleep the man stopped breathing. In panic 
and dread he began gasping and coughing. In then the next instant 
he breathed and now knew that this air was always there. More 
familiar to him than anything else. It had been ignored because it 
was so close, so familiar, so ordinary, unseen, untouchable, pure 
expanse and was a part of his being. What did he lose? Nothing but 
the misunderstanding. What did he gain? Nothing, it was Already 
Always there. What was the result? The constant and continual 
Gratefulness and Joy for this breath which gave him Life. It was 
not separate from him nor he from it. It was the Breath of his 
Being. 

Maha Shanti O,
Sarojini

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace
 
 Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years 
and 
 we don't seem anywhere near peace. Either this works or it 
doesn't. 
 I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others just 
 making excuses based on a very questionable theory?
 
 Shiva is appeased by both devas and asuras.
 
I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but I just read your words, and 
you're like, c'mon guys! its taken 30 whole years to transform every 
element of the world, and I don't see any clear evidence yet!!! I 
don't see it-- what's taking so damned long?...

Pretty funny actually, when you consider that even global warming 
for goodness sake took almost two hundred years to begin 
manifesting, and here we are 30 short years into a far more profound 
transformation, and you're already yelping, where's the beef!?. 
Relax...:-)

[FairfieldLife] We need Off-World -- including his astronomical observations (Re: To Off-World)

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Off,
 
 You know I have not had much positivity for your actions here, but
 yesterday, and you KNOW I hate to admit this, you were cogent, right
 on, clear, and good reading in several posts and parts of posts.  
So
 much so, that I almost replied with a big thumbs up, but then just 
as
 I was about to do so, another of your posts came wherein you lost 
it
 and began the kicking and screaming lashing out toddler stuff.


Actually its kicking and screaming and lashing out like a grown up 
man, but hey, that's just the real world. 

Someone says the cowardly stuff they say to me here, but face to face 
in the real world, it would be an interesting interaction of form, 
rhythm, movement, angle, momentum, collision, and vector fractals 
that would result.


 
 With so many here trying to bite their tongues, sticking to the good
 stuff

But they are not. They are incredibly rude and hateful. It never 
ends. If someone says to me, as qntpkt, who started this whole thing 
said, that I am wrong because I am wrong and don't what I am talking 
about, it is absolutely no difference from saying : You are [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]ing 
moronic turd OffWorld . And then that same person says that he 
deliberatley trolls the internet trying to get people angry by 
engaging them in combative irrational and useless arguments for the 
sole puropose of getting them angery, then I think the person should 
be banned. I do not believe in backing down to such a low-life 
attitude. It only encourages them to become more of that.

 
 And the other day, the astronomers found this very brief flash of
 radio waves in their data.  A new thingy for them.  Don't know quite
 yet what it was -- maybe a black hole exploding or two neutron stars
 colliding, but it was over in a flash.  So, when I first
 starting posting here, I ripped you a new one for being so stupid as
 to think you'd seen a supernova, I was not taking into consideration
 that, hard as it is to imagine, you may have seen a very rare 
event -- never recorded by science before.  Not a supernova, but 
something elsesomething way fast.

And I remember at the time that I predicted that within one year you 
people here would hear scientists talking about such an event. (I 
could look back in the posts to find that prediction , but it would 
take too long right now.)

Thanks for bringing this up though, much appreciated. Where did you 
read it?

Note: to anyone I have not answered a post yet, it is just I have 
been too busy, but will do so soon.)

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife]

[sgrayatlarge]

Right, chill, ha! ha! It really is a joke



-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace
  
  Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years 
 and 
  we don't seem anywhere near peace. Either this works or it 
 doesn't. 
  I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others 
just 
  making excuses based on a very questionable theory?
  
  Shiva is appeased by both devas and asuras.
  
 I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but I just read your words, and 
 you're like, c'mon guys! its taken 30 whole years to transform 
every 
 element of the world, and I don't see any clear evidence yet!!! I 
 don't see it-- what's taking so damned long?...
 
 Pretty funny actually, when you consider that even global warming 
 for goodness sake took almost two hundred years to begin 
 manifesting, and here we are 30 short years into a far more 
profound 
 transformation, and you're already yelping, where's the beef!?. 
 Relax...:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition

[sgrayatlarge]

The President of Iran wants to hasten his version of the AofE by 
resurrecting the 12th. Imam, and his method is not closing the eyes 
twice a day with a bija mantra.

Is this what we all envisioned back in 1975?

Oh right, chill, just take it as it comes, never minding.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Yes, the rudrabhisek is a yagya for peace
  
  Seems like we have been in a phase transition for over 30 years 
 and 
  we don't seem anywhere near peace. Either this works or it 
 doesn't. 
  I don't see evidence that it does work. Aren't you and others 
just 
  making excuses based on a very questionable theory?
  
  Shiva is appeased by both devas and asuras.
  
 I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but I just read your words, and 
 you're like, c'mon guys! its taken 30 whole years to transform 
every 
 element of the world, and I don't see any clear evidence yet!!! I 
 don't see it-- what's taking so damned long?...
 
 Pretty funny actually, when you consider that even global warming 
 for goodness sake took almost two hundred years to begin 
 manifesting, and here we are 30 short years into a far more 
profound 
 transformation, and you're already yelping, where's the beef!?. 
 Relax...:-)