[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: I discussed this with my trainer this morning, and he agreed with me that the logical explanation is that a person eating a vegetarian diet, higher in carbs, would have greater glycogen stores and replenish them more quickly. It would be interesting to see some newer studies of this phenomenon. ** The question of whether the multiple benefits of vegetarian dietary practices extend to enhanced physical fitness and performance has been explored since the early 20th century, when a few simple studies reported greater muscular endurance in vegetarian than in nonvegetarian subjects, but these results were not confirmed in subsequent research http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/70/3/570S.pdf Off will probably refute this by saying that the athletes involved in these studies hadn't studied Shotokan Karate long enough, and/or weren't from Vermont or of Scot heritage, and thus don't count. That's his idea of peer- reviewed science. :-) What's fascinating to me is that this whole discussion/argument springs from me posting a simple graphic that I found on Digg commenting (rather hilariously, I thought) on the perceived difference between Vegans and Carnivores, as measured by their respective needs for support. (reposted below) What followed on FFL was a pile on fest of people committed to the theoretical benefits of vegetarianism supporting each other by putting down the low-vibe meat eaters. Whereas the meat eaters, IMO because they have no such need for props to shore up their shaky beliefs in diet, remained silent. As I expected (and was the whole point of sharing the graphic), those who were heavily invested in and attached to a belief system banded together into defensive support groups to prop up their beliefs by agreeing with each other, preaching to the converted, and putting down the beliefs of those who don't agree with them. In other words, they did exactly the same things they do when any of their other spiritually-related beliefs are ques- tioned or challenged on this forum. :-) As for Off's hysterical bet, just in case no one noticed, I never claimed to be a shoot-em and eat-em type myself. He made that up. For the record, although I hunted and fished in my youth, and yes, dined quite happily on the results, I don't do so these days. But if it helps Willytex to win the bet, I will be happy to take a photo of myself in the kitchen next time I am cooking lobsters. :-) Bottom line of this thread: * I eat what the fuck I want. * I feel neither the need to apologize for that nor to proselytize its benefits. * I don't consider anyone better or worse or higher or lower than I am because of what they choose to eat. * If you do, and furthermore feel that you need to band together with others to prove your superiority, I'd say that your spiritual diet isn't working nearly as well as you think it is. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Life: Line on water or line on stone ?
One of the things I've been noticing most about this forum lately -- and yes, it does have some- thing to do with my tendency to post provocative or button-pushing items -- is what this forum reveals about the benefits or non-benefits of the long-term practice of meditation techniques. The *theory* of such practices, if one remembers Maharishi's metaphor for it, is that meditation *should* help a person to become more flexible, less rigid, less affected by stimuli to the point of becoming reactive to them or dwelling on them. The metaphor in question was the long-lasting nature of a line scratched in stone, and how long that endures vs. the ephemeral quality of a line drawn in water, and how quickly it goes away. If his theory was correct, then this forum, com- posed as it is of 30-to-40-year practitioners of meditation and other spiritual techniques, should reflect more of the line on water mentality than it does the line on stone mentality. But does it? Step out of the moment and the in-the-moment flow of posts and the emotion you invest them with before you press Send and LOOK at the TRENDS that are evident on this forum. **DO** most of the regular posters here -- especially those who align themselves with TM and Maharishi and his beliefs -- actually react to the things said here with flexi- bility, as if the things said affected them as little as a line drawn on water, or **DO** they react with rigidity, as if the things said affect them *far* more strongly and permanently, more like a line drawn on stone? I think it's the latter. Just look at the *reactive* nature of the majority of posts on FFL. Someone says something and four or five people *react* to simple words as if someone had slapped them physically in the face. Someone posts something that disagrees with one of their mere *beliefs* ferchrissakes and they go nuts. And *then* look at how long they STAY nuts. THAT is the thing that amazes me most about FFL. There are people here who have been acting out over the same grudges for *years*, and show no signs of ever letting them go. Conversely, there are very few examples of posters making radical *changes* in their posting style, their beliefs, and/or their lives. I can think of only a few who have made visible and radical shifts over the years. Many others cling to the same old same old as if remaining as consistent as a line drawn in stone were a Good Thing. *Theoretically*, spiritual development is about being able to become more fluid, more flexible, more able to roll with the punches and react in less predic- table and destructive ways to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. But -- given Fairfield Life as an indicator -- does that theory seem to have *worked out* for most of the spiritual people here? And if not, will those whose posting lives make them candidates for line on stone poster boy or poster girl of the year react defensively to *this* post and turn it into yet another pile-on grudge-fest, and then do their best to keep the pile-on fest going as long as humanly possible, or will they allow this post to just be a line drawn on the water of their consciousness and move on to the next post?
[FairfieldLife] Help stamp out prosyletution!
One of the reasons I like Digg is that it's a treasure-trove of graphics that can be used to help convey an idea. Like this one (http://imgur.com/SHmvT.jpg http://imgur.com/SHmvT.jpg ): [http://imgur.com/SHmvT.jpg] Isn't that refreshing? A billboard -- whose very *purpose* is to try to sell you something -- being used instead to celebrate the joy of not being sold anything. I feel that same joy when reading the posts of a few people here on Fairfield Life, the folks I think of as anti-proselytutes. These people *have* in most cases strong beliefs -- political, spiritual, and moral. But they never try to SELL them. The most that they do is state what they believe in and move on. If other posters challenge them on their beliefs, or demand that they debate them about these beliefs, these folks rarely bother to even respond. What this tells me is that their beliefs are actually *strong* -- strong enough to stand on their own without any need for defending or debating, and with even less need to try to SELL those beliefs to others. These (IMO) balanced individuals don't *need* anyone else to believe what they believe in order to believe it themselves. It clearly doesn't *matter* to them what anyone else believes. Compare and contrast to the professional proselytutes. You all know who I'm talking about...no need to name names. The proselytutes are the people on this forum or the people they quote from the media who seem to feel a never-ending need *to* proselytize or SELL the things they believe in -- political, spiritual, or moral -- to others. Whether it be a political stance or cause or an ideological stance or cause or a spiritual stance or cause, these folks are constantly SELLING what they consider the right stance or cause. It *matters very much* to them what others believe; they are so persistent sometimes *in* their sales pitches that one is tempted to suspect that they actually receive a *commission* for converting someone to their stance or cause or belief system. Their vibe often feels like that great coming out episode on Ellen where lesbians were trying to win a free toaster by converting a straight woman to lesbianism. :-) Anyway...I'm just passing along a Handy Tip, one that I have found useful when trying to step lightly through the minefield of People Trying To Sell Me Something in the advertising media or in the news media or here on Fairfield Life: Visualize the person trying to sell you something as a hooker. [http://www.lwcbooks.com/books/images/Hooker-018.jpg] It's a simple mental trick, but I'm tellin' ya it works like a charm. *Listen* to the fevered sales pitches made by advertisers or political pundits -- or worst, spiritual True Believers -- who are trying to SELL you their wares, but in the back of your mind picture them as proselytutes. Just like prostitutes, there is a REASON they are standing there on that street corner (or, metaphorically, standing on their soapbox preaching at you and trying to convert you). They GET something from selling their wares. The pros- titutes get money; the prosyletutes get to shore up their shaky beliefs systems by believing that they have converted someone else to believe in it, too. The visualize-the-person-selling-you-something as a street hooker or prosyletute helps in another way, too. By visual- izing them that way, you get to step back mentally and see whether what they are selling is *worth buying*. If the proselytute is trying to sell you a technique that promises relief from stress and anger, does that person react *well* to someone not buying it, or do they lash out at you angrily like a street hooker blown off by someone she was trying to...uh...blow? If the proselytute is trying to sell you on a ideological or political stance that claims equal respect for the sexes, does that person actually *act* in a way that is equally respectful to both sexes, or not? So that's Turq's Tip Of The Day. Whenever you find yourself being SOLD something on this forum or on the News or in advertising itself, just visualize the person doing the selling as a hooker as they're speaking. *Listen* to what they are saying, look over the merchandise being sold, and weigh the potential benefits of buying (or buying into) whatever they are trying to sell you. But then weigh that against the possi- bility of catching some loathsome disease from the seller.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I'm going to say what I said about Chopra after he did his piece on Maharishi immediately after he died last year. Recall that Chopra revealed private stuff about Maharishi's sickness at a time when Chopra was actually his formal physician (about 20 years ago). And death does not sever the patient/doctor confidentiality yet here was Chopra -- without consent from Maharishi's estate -- revealing personal medical info about Maharishi. I am convinced if someone wanted to pursue it, they could have successfully lodged a formal complaint against Chopra for violating that confidentiality. I don't know if it's the same case here but Chopra is quite quick off the starting block to share intimate stuff about Jackson...and if Chopra was in any official capacity a counsellor, doctor or adviser to Jackson he very well may be violating that same confidentiality again by some of the stuff he writes in this article. Chopra is an oppurtunistic thief. Every esoteric piece of information he knows about the body he learnt from Maharishi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and with the help of Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, sitting right next to the Guru Dev. nablusoss wrote: Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943? About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. snip; I do not believe they sent cash as He did not allow such contributions; but flowers and fruits, chairs and tents; obviously. According to some people, because the Guru Dev performed this Yagya, WWII lasted only a few years instead of fifty. I don't know. Guru Dev being the most senior of the Masters of Wisdom in incarnation at the time, as far as I know, could accomplish this in close cooperation with the other Masters. This descision was taken with the blessing of the most senior of the Masters of Wisdom; Maitreya. If He wanted to stop WWII and usher in the Age of Enlightenment He certainly had the power to do so. And He did. With the Blessings from Guru Dev, Maharishi implemented in the world at large that which had already been descided and is today the destiny of men: The Age of Enlightenment and the return to the everday lives of men by Maitreya for the first time in a human body for 100.000 years. For more information, please see: http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2009/2009-06.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: -. Don't know about the legal issue, but it's pretty interesting how his stories about both MMY and Jackson seem all to revolve around *him*, Chopra, and how selflessly he helped them out--saved MMY's life, nursed him back to health; wrote Jackson's books and lyrics for him, introduced him to his children's nanny. I mean, if Chopra had preserved confidentialit, we'd never have heard of any of this, now, would we? Gosh, do you think Chopra will become one of the media's go-to guys for insider reminiscences about Jackson--especially dirt about his drug use--now that Chopra's written this article? And this is intriguing: When Michael passed me the music for that last song, the one sitting by my bedside waiting for the right words, the procedure for getting the CD to me rivaled a CIA covert operation in its secrecy. What do you want to bet it was so secret that it'll turn out nobody on Jackson's staff knew anything about it? And of course Chopra would never produce the CD in question; that would be betraying Jackson's confidence... Correct. Chopra is a selfserving thief.
[FairfieldLife] 'By Whatever, of Whatever and for Whatever'
Thursday, June 25, 2009 We Have/Have We ...Arrived? I know what your thinking... June 21st came and went, and things feel...if anything...worse. What the? Tho technically I am reporting to you from a new timeline, like many of you, my body has not quite had the full pleasure of catching up to ityet...so please bear with me as I try to type between naps. Based on the high-speed inter-connectivity of the new energy grid, I know that many of you are feeling the same sluggishness coupled with fatigue, aching muscles and bones, sleepiness/lessness, toxicity, irritability with a dash of resentment, and overall low vitality...so for those of you who can barely make it out of bed to the computer, I hear you... and this message is for you. What happened? We are adjusting to the new frequencies and for many... it flat-out hurts. To apply a well-overused metaphor, the solstice on June 21st was kind of like that last labor push where you have no idea where/how you will find even a shred of energy to birth this new life, but somehow, somewhere, something deep inside of you takes over and carries you through to the other side. Only in my metaphor, we are both the birth-er and the birth- ee...giving birth to ourselves in some morphological and oddly understandable way ...which really means that we get to experience both the labor pains AND the physical (and shocking) transition into a new space. (Kids: don't try this at home) Where are we? We have officially landed. What now? Choose to rest as though you had a choice in the matter. Collectively, we just (willingly?) ventured through an ass-kicking portal that served up quite an assortment of non-pleasures. And unless you are uber-sensitive, where we are now does not feel much different than where we were all-May-long...the only real discernible difference is that the discomfort has intensified. Please realize that this experience is totally not a blanket statement, just an explanation of my connection to, and assessment of energy as I perceive the majority of starseeds/lightworkers experiencing it. In opposition to this, I have also heard from some, though few, who said that June 1st actually marked the beginning of the new for them, and from others that forward movement and manifestation has finally returned and that things are falling perfectly into place. You are certainly not an outcast if you DO NOT feel like a total misery-magnet right now...we all have different and perfect timing and in the grand scheme of things, the solstice served as a general marker, an energetic gateway to walk through, integrate and experience new lands. That said, things will balance out shortly for the rest of us slowpokes and manifestation will soon become effortless again... right after these bulky flesh-suits complete the final extraction of those cellular memories that have been trapped in 3D, and that shaped our past realities through polarity. Keep in mind, as with the entire climb in consciousness thus far, that each time we ascend to a higher vibration our physical bodies must re- calibrate, restructure and balance-out based on new and higher dimensional commands. Each and every cell is in constant communication with our consciousness, so as we release fear-based energies and cellular memories of discordance, our bodies must adapt and reform to match the new higher vibration of self. The physical symptoms from squeezing through the solstice vary, as always, but the most intense (for me) and widely reported seem to be flu-like fatigue and overall aching/soreness...and I mean everywhere... like...even my hair hurts. This is completely normal with the dumping of so many energetic and physical toxins (healing crisis), so if you are feeling like you just had major surgery, know that in some ways you did...you have successfully excised the final physical impressions of a life outworn. Other symptoms to note are greatly related to the electrical rewiring and grounding process: muscle twitches, sore/tight/stiff neck shoulders, 3d eye openings/clearings (dizziness/unsteadiness/sinus discomfort/popping in and out of dimensions/timelines..aka disorientation), heart/thymus openings (palpitations/middle back soreness/heartburn/indigestion), root chakra openings/clearings ( lower back aching/soreness/pain, intestinal clearings, bloating/ weight gain, skin eruptions/itching, menstrual-type cramps, sciatica, leg pains/soreness), etc. The other side June 22nd, the new moon in Cancer, marked the beginning of the next phase of our journey...the creation of spiritual mastery in form! This means, among other things, that very soon we will look in the mirror and see the person we always knew was there, but was desperately striving to meet us in the physical...in other words, we will finally see the outer reflection of all our internal work. On the morning of the new moon I awoke to a chatty team of overzealous invisibles who were cheering me on like some maniacal
[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip What's fascinating to me is that this whole discussion/argument springs from me posting a simple graphic that I found on Digg commenting (rather hilariously, I thought) on the perceived difference between Vegans and Carnivores, as measured by their respective needs for support. (reposted below) What followed on FFL was a pile on fest of people committed to the theoretical benefits of vegetarianism supporting each other by putting down the low-vibe meat eaters. Whereas the meat eaters, IMO because they have no such need for props to shore up their shaky beliefs in diet, remained silent. In fact, Bhairitu and Alex both spoke up in defense of eating meat. As I expected (and was the whole point of sharing the graphic), those who were heavily invested in and attached to a belief system banded together into defensive support groups to prop up their beliefs by agreeing with each other, preaching to the converted, and putting down the beliefs of those who don't agree with them. In other words, they did exactly the same things they do when any of their other spiritually-related beliefs are ques- tioned or challenged on this forum. :-) It's interesting to go back and read the thread to see how well it conforms to Barry's description above. It appears that he sees in it not what was actually there but rather what he expected to find. As it happens, the discussion was evenly divided between those supporting meat-eating and putting down vegetarians (including Barry), and those supporting vegetarianism and putting down meat- eaters, with a couple of people making neutral posts. snip Bottom line of this thread: * I eat what the fuck I want. * I feel neither the need to apologize for that nor to proselytize its benefits. * I don't consider anyone better or worse or higher or lower than I am because of what they choose to eat. But he *does* consider people better or worse or higher or lower than he is depending on whether they state their beliefs: * If you do, and furthermore feel that you need to band together with others to prove your superiority, I'd say that your spiritual diet isn't working nearly as well as you think it is. :-)
[FairfieldLife] To hell with group consciousness (Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?)
Fuck yagyas. Apparently Obama believes in the power of group prayer and from what I've read, he donates thousands of dollars every year to prayer groups and the Christian church. babajii_99 wrote: 'The Power of Prayer' is what got Barack Obama elected in the 'First Place!'... BaBaji can see this, Edg can't. From what I've read, President Obama leads a group prayer every single day, praying that America wins the war. WASHINGTON War-funding legislation survived a fierce partisan battle in the House on Tuesday, a major step in providing commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan the money they would need for military operations in the coming months... Read more: 'House passes $106 billion war funding bill' By Jim Abrams Associated Press, June 16, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/ntcgqx
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help stamp out prosyletution!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I feel that same joy when reading the posts of a few people here on Fairfield Life, the folks I think of as anti-proselytutes. These people *have* in most cases strong beliefs -- political, spiritual, and moral. But they never try to SELL them. The most that they do is state what they believe in and move on. Barry's ideal poster is Dudley Do-Right, a dim-witted Canadian Mountie, who, if he posted anything of interest on FFLife it would be pure luck. He feels passionate about the links he posts proclaiming his love for Nell Fenwick, the daughter of Inspector Fenwick, Google's progenitor, the head of the Mountie station. However, a running gag is that Nell is more interested in Dudley's horse than in him and scarcely notices Dudley's attempts at communication. If other posters challenge them on their beliefs, or demand that they debate them about these beliefs, these folks rarely bother to even respond. What this tells me is that their beliefs are actually *strong* -- strong enough to stand on their own without any need for defending or debating, and with even less need to try to SELL those beliefs to others. It sounds like Barry is asking us to lay off do.rx who has strong beliefs but never defends them. Barry thinks this is a good thing but intentionally fails to that notice that an inability to debate one's ideas is more an indication of a weak intellect than strong beliefs. balanced individuals don't *need* anyone else to believe what they believe in order to believe it themselves. It clearly doesn't *matter* to them what anyone else believes. Says Barry, trying to sell us his beliefs, as if they mattered. So that's Turq's Tip Of The Day. Whenever you find yourself being SOLD something on this forum or on the News or in advertising itself, just visualize the person doing the selling as a hooker as they're speaking. *Listen* to what they are saying, look over the merchandise being sold, and weigh the potential benefits of buying (or buying into) whatever they are trying to sell you. But then weigh that against the possi- bility of catching some loathsome disease from the seller. Says Barry, selling us pure schlock.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943? About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. Nabby wrote: I do not believe they sent cash as He did not allow such contributions; but flowers and fruits, chairs and tents; obviously. Have you ever heard of the Jyotirmath Trust Fund? What do you think a Trust Fund does, Nabby? It takes donations from wealthy patrons and puts it in the bank in a 'trust fund' to be spent for worthy causes. Where do you think they got all the money to rebuild the Jyotirmath Ashram? Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and with the help of Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, sitting right next to the Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help stamp out prosyletution!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip It *matters very much* to them what others believe; they are so persistent sometimes *in* their sales pitches that one is tempted to suspect that they actually receive a *commission* for converting someone to their stance or cause or belief system. One wonders who might be offering Barry a commission for converting people to his belief that people whose beliefs matter to them are his spiritual inferiors. Judging by the number and frequency of repetitions of his sales pitches in this regard, the belief that he is spiritually superior to others is *terribly, terribly* important. snip Just like prostitutes, there is a REASON they are standing there on that street corner (or, metaphorically, standing on their soapbox preaching at you and trying to convert you). They GET something from selling their wares. The pros- titutes get money; the prosyletutes get to shore up their shaky beliefs systems by believing that they have converted someone else to believe in it, too. Actually, in many cases those who promote their political beliefs have a pragmatic reason for doing so: the more people in favor of, for example, action against global warming, the more of a chance legislation instituting measures to fight global warming has of passing. It's also important to make a distinction between *selling* and *informing*. Many people are, like Barry, sadly ignorant of what their elected officials are doing. *Unlike* Barry, some of these people may welcome new information along these lines. And again pragmatically, the more people who are aware of Obama's apparent unwillingness to keep his campaign promises with regard to transparency or gay rights, for instance, the more pressure is likely to be put on him to mend his ways.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life: Line on water or line on stone ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: *Theoretically*, spiritual development is about being able to become more fluid, more flexible, more able to roll with the punches and react in less predic- table and destructive ways to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. But -- given Fairfield Life as an indicator -- does that theory seem to have *worked out* for most of the spiritual people here? Says Barry, expecting us to endure his slings and arrows. Maybe he should get a Bozo the Bop Bag to roll with his punches instead of us. Here's a heads Barry, if you smack him squarely in the nose, it squeaks so you don't have to. [http://www.superdairyboy.com/pictures/rocket_usa/Bozobopbig.jpg] And if not, will those whose posting lives make them candidates for line on stone poster boy or poster girl of the year react defensively to *this* post and turn it into yet another pile-on grudge-fest, and then do their best to keep the pile-on fest going as long as humanly possible, or will they allow this post to just be a line drawn on the water of their consciousness and move on to the next post? Says Barry digging up a tired old meme hoping for a pile-on. Geez, talk about a line on stone!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I'm going to say what I said about Chopra after he did his piece on Maharishi immediately after he died last year. Recall that Chopra revealed private stuff about Maharishi's sickness at a time when Chopra was actually his formal physician (about 20 years ago). And death does not sever the patient/doctor confidentiality yet here was Chopra -- without consent from Maharishi's estate -- revealing personal medical info about Maharishi. I am convinced if someone wanted to pursue it, they could have successfully lodged a formal complaint against Chopra for violating that confidentiality. I don't know if it's the same case here but Chopra is quite quick off the starting block to share intimate stuff about Jackson...and if Chopra was in any official capacity a counsellor, doctor or adviser to Jackson he very well may be violating that same confidentiality again by some of the stuff he writes in this article. Chopra is an oppurtunistic thief. Every esoteric piece of information he knows about the body he learnt from Maharishi. Certainly, when one reads Chopra or listens to him regarding spiritual matters it sounds about 99% like a TM teacher. So, yes, he pretty much got most of his stuff from Maharishi and the TMO. But, hey, what's wrong with that? It's a free country and people can regurgitate spiritual stuff which you can't really copyright. And do recall that Chopra at the time of Maharishi's death pretty much said that all he learned he learned from Maharishi. And, to his credit, Chopra does articulate and communicate quite well. My problem with Chopra is that he teaches meditation and its ancillary techniques. He borrows heavily from TM and the sidhis. fine. It's a free country and he can do what he wants. But I think he would have been better served just doing what he does best -- which is to talk -- and leave the actual techniques to the Movement. I think he plays with fire when he copies much of the TM technique without doing it through the organisation from whom he got it. I say play with fire because we're dealing with the mind here and if your instructions are a bit off, you could mess someone up. I myself wouldn't want that responsibility. Leave that and the karma to maharishi, I say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
Seek, A simple question: How do you so easily condemn others for their lack of honoring priorities when it's given that no one is taught anything about the following in school: how to be a parent, how to recognize a priority, how to control or divert emotional dynamics, how to see the predator in paid advertising, how to see the hidden price of things, how to do a budget, how to see the steps to fulfilling a big dream, how to deconstruct a fast food menu, how to put condom on, how to insist on a condom being put on, how to see addictions of every ilk handcuffing one's life, how to be honor the sacred assumptions of any relationship, how to honor a truthful vow spoken when walking the walk gets hard, how to keep one's self esteem when the entire world's best of the best is handing in their resumes right next to you to the same prospective employer, how to find meaning and depth in ordinary life, how to floss, how to interview a person to get to their core axioms, how to trust intuition, how to sue in small claims court, how to buy a used car, how to fight fair and stay on topic, how to ask for help, how to roll far from a tree, how to ask for forgiveness, how to forgive, how to give your local elected representatives symbols that sway them, how to read an ingredients label, how to quit a job when the boss first violates common decency, how to live frugally in case it's required, how to roll up one's sleeves and work one's potentials, how to keep relevant one's parents who will shortly be so old school, how to attend a family get-together like it was a candy store, how to weep openly, how to stay the course as a noose tightens, how to honor all scriptures as wisdom amassed by innocents, how to honor a Constitution written by slave owners, how to see love, how to ride romance, how to stop anything one is doing, how to start anything one wants to start, how to enjoy those we find on the path even when they're only walking our way for a bit, how to run a man's energy if you're a woman, how to be express your heart fully if you're a man, how to stand next to a deathbed and let your heart break, how to abide an enemy who will not leave your life, how to bear the world, how to see elitism in it's most clever guise. Seek, 1/4 of all people are intellectually incapable of much of the above without, well, special education, and failing to get that, it is certain that priorities will never be on their front burners. The masses are kept asses so that billions can be gotten from them one nickle at a time. Look into your heart. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: Offworld, quick question, i'm not very full of knowledge on the subject of socialized medicine vs. capitalist/insurance form of medical care. So it's hard for me to have a real opinion here. I only have one observation, and it is based on my own limited experience of my family and employment for the last 17 years. (you being from Europe where there is socialized medicine may be more knowledgeable). After I turned 18 I had no form of health care. Nor did my mother, father, sister, or aunt. What I find funny is that although we didn't have medical insurance, my sister had a convertible mazda miata, I always had an average of 1k to 2k in the bank at all times, everyone else had cable TV, and relatively nice cars and decent homes as well. I also remember members of my family spending quite large amounts of money on home improvements, cigarrettes, alcohol, and many other things. In addition, I remember most co-workers that I worked with over the years having the same issue. No health or dental insurance, but they always had money to spend on a dimebag, or quarterbag of weed every weekend. They always had a case of beer in the fridge, new rims on their cars, and badass stereos in their cars. These days, people I run into from my old high school or I hear about other friends and family who don't have medical insurance. But what they do have is an IPOD, cable TV, a rather nice car, home entertainment system, etc the list goes on. I recently looked up the average cost of health insurance per year for an adult. It's $1800 per year, roughly. Obviously if you're a crack whore living on a freeway in a war zone during a soccer riot, you may have to add a little to that premium. So here's my theory: Even if i'm totally maxed out and broke at the end of any given month, what would I have to do to get health coverage (assuming 1800/yr average)? Basically, I need another $150 a month. But what if my M-F 40hr week job doesn't cover that? Ok, if I get a part time job on a weekend, one night a week making 7.25/hr for 8 hours would that cover it? 7.25X8 is about $60, 60 X 4 weeks is 240 a month, and that's well over what I would need for health coverage.
[FairfieldLife] FW: Hidden track ....
From: joerg dao [mailto:joerg...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 5:02 AM To: r...@searchsummit.com Subject: Hidden track Hi Rick, this could be some nice discussion on the FFL. If you like. 2 days after the tragic death of Michael Jackson, where all media nearly reported identical, I looked into our main business paper, to see, what they would have to say. They had an article more in the back part of the whole thing, but concentrated already on the subject of money. Who will get what bite of the rights and legacy of MJ. I liked this approach, purely business, after 2 days already. And was reminded of my last visit in Vlodrop, in 2005. I was invitet into the Raja tent, and saw all Rajas sitting in front, waiting for the King, and the maharishi over audio saying his inspirations. But when I looked into the faces of the bored and often angry looking Rajas, I felt, that very soon, gravity would tear this group apart. By gravity, I would mean the power of money, and who would get which parts of the kingdom of the mmy. Now more than 14 months after the maharishi, all still seems nearly silent. If there are power struggles, the rajas really know to keep them to themselves. David Lynch achieved some quiet new breakout of the rajadom by putting marketing wisdom before rajaism. There was no connection betw. Hagelin and his official being the raja on the website of DLF.tv, and only one very small picture of the maharishi. But to look into this group, would be good if we would know, who is holding which part, and what - for instance: who has the rights to the maharishi videos - parts are in which hands. Any oficial group would come out with such statements and inform the public, how to go on in future. So we still will see more to unfold. Either openly, or on the hidden track. cheers joerg. . More than http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ messages
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life: Line on water or line on stone ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: One of the things I've been noticing most about this forum lately -- and yes, it does have some- thing to do with my tendency to post provocative or button-pushing items -- is what this forum reveals about the benefits or non-benefits of the long-term practice of meditation techniques. The *theory* of such practices, if one remembers Maharishi's metaphor for it, is that meditation *should* help a person to become more flexible, less rigid, less affected by stimuli to the point of becoming reactive to them or dwelling on them. The metaphor in question was the long-lasting nature of a line scratched in stone, and how long that endures vs. the ephemeral quality of a line drawn in water, and how quickly it goes away. If his theory was correct, then this forum, com- posed as it is of 30-to-40-year practitioners of meditation and other spiritual techniques, should reflect more of the line on water mentality than it does the line on stone mentality. But does it? Step out of the moment and the in-the-moment flow of posts and the emotion you invest them with before you press Send and LOOK at the TRENDS that are evident on this forum. **DO** most of the regular posters here -- especially those who align themselves with TM and Maharishi and his beliefs -- actually react to the things said here with flexi- bility, as if the things said affected them as little as a line drawn on water, or **DO** they react with rigidity, as if the things said affect them *far* more strongly and permanently, more like a line drawn on stone? I think it's the latter. Just look at the *reactive* nature of the majority of posts on FFL. Someone says something and four or five people *react* to simple words as if someone had slapped them physically in the face. Someone posts something that disagrees with one of their mere *beliefs* ferchrissakes and they go nuts. And *then* look at how long they STAY nuts. THAT is the thing that amazes me most about FFL. There are people here who have been acting out over the same grudges for *years*, and show no signs of ever letting them go. Conversely, there are very few examples of posters making radical *changes* in their posting style, their beliefs, and/or their lives. I can think of only a few who have made visible and radical shifts over the years. Many others cling to the same old same old as if remaining as consistent as a line drawn in stone were a Good Thing. *Theoretically*, spiritual development is about being able to become more fluid, more flexible, more able to roll with the punches and react in less predic- table and destructive ways to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. But -- given Fairfield Life as an indicator -- does that theory seem to have *worked out* for most of the spiritual people here? And if not, will those whose posting lives make them candidates for line on stone poster boy or poster girl of the year react defensively to *this* post and turn it into yet another pile-on grudge-fest, and then do their best to keep the pile-on fest going as long as humanly possible, or will they allow this post to just be a line drawn on the water of their consciousness and move on to the next post? Depends on what you mean, if you're talking about one's *reaction* then 30-40 years of regular TM isn't enough to react to everything like a line on water. If you're talking about one's *convictions* that is another matter entirely: 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
Seek, 1/4 of all people are intellectually incapable of much of the above without, well, special education, and failing to get that, it is certain that priorities will never be on their front burners. The masses are kept asses so that billions can be gotten from them one nickle at a time. Look into your heart. Edg I agree with you a lot. However, another observation I see from people who are intellectually incapable of much of what you wrote are more often the same people who, during their middle/high school years, spent their time goofing off, getting into things they shouldn't, disrespecting their teachers, etc... At least that's why I can say my life, and the life of most of my friends during young adulthood was so messed up, all because we didn't listen to the people who were trying to teach us many of the things you mentioned. We regarded parents and teachers as a bunch of idiots that were in our way of getting what we wanted. So do I, or any of my friends have any real reason to complain for not having the discriminative ability to do any of the things that you had mentioned in your post? seekliberation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life: Line on water or line on stone ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: *Theoretically*, spiritual development is about being able to become more fluid, more flexible, more able to roll with the punches and react in less predic- table and destructive ways to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. But -- given Fairfield Life as an indicator -- does that theory seem to have *worked out* for most of the spiritual people here? Says Barry, expecting us to endure his slings and arrows. Bingo. The whole idea is to try to embarrass his critics into *shutting up* so he can attack them without rebuttal. He's been doing this ever since I first encountered him. And it hasn't worked yet. snip And if not, will those whose posting lives make them candidates for line on stone poster boy or poster girl of the year react defensively to *this* post and turn it into yet another pile-on grudge-fest, and then do their best to keep the pile-on fest going as long as humanly possible, or will they allow this post to just be a line drawn on the water of their consciousness and move on to the next post? Says Barry digging up a tired old meme hoping for a pile-on. Geez, talk about a line on stone! LOL! It seems that living in the moment, as Barry claims to do, makes him unable to remember how many times he's drawn his various lines previously. Didn't Madonna have a song about that?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.
On Jun 26, 2009, at 10:48 PM, bob_brigante wrote: Repeated studies have shown that consuming caffeine and carbohydrates before and duringworkouts improves performance in many cases. Researchers from Australia have just published a report in the Journal of Applied Physiology that says these substances quickly replenish the fuel supply to the muscles when consumed after a workout, too. Gosh, Bob, and in other news, the grass is green, and the sky is blue. Caffeine and carbs give extra energy...who woulda thought it? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.
In response to below, it really depends on what you're doing at the gym, or for a workout. If i'm going to the gym to lift weights, I almost always drink coffee right before, and during as well. If i'm going on a 6-7 mile run, i'll have a cold energy drink right before(loaded with carbs caffeine). But if i'm doing a really serious workout, for long periods of time, for example anything over 15 miles of hiking with weight on my back, or long sparring sessions, i've got no choice, I have to put away all caffeine and all stimulants. Nobody who trains really hard will take much caffeine at all. I think the studies provided by scientists on its effect for people working out, it's probably only for people who casually go to the gym to look or feel better, not for people who train like actual pro athletes. Repeated studies have shown that consuming caffeine and carbohydrates before and duringworkouts improves performance in many cases. Researchers from Australia have just published a report in the Journal of Applied Physiology that says these substances quickly replenish the fuel supply to the muscles when consumed after a workout, too. Gosh, Bob, and in other news, the grass is green, and the sky is blue. Caffeine and carbs give extra energy...who woulda thought it? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
seekliberation wrote: So do I, or any of my friends have any real reason to complain for not having the discriminative ability to do any of the things that you had mentioned in your post? Just 17% of Americans say the government is more likely to spend its money wisely and carefully than a private business, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Sixty-two percent (62%) say a private business is more likely to spend its money carefully Full report: Rasmussen Reports, Friday, June 26, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/l7zpql
[FairfieldLife] Health Care Reform?
One of my law partners asked me yesterday which of the Democrats' current initiatives is worse, the tax on carbon or the health care public option, otherwise known as socialized medicine. I replied unhesitatingly that socialized medicine is much worse. Carbon tax-and-trade can rather easily be repealed once people realize what a dumb idea it is. However, once our health care system has been destroyed and replaced with single payer socialized medicine, there is no going back... Read more: Thoughts on Health Care Reform Posted by John Hindraker Powerline, June 25, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/lpk9ut
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Here at last--Environmental bill up in House now.
Nelson wrote: CO2 is used in some industrial applications and, is the fizz in the soft drinks amongst other things so increasing its cost will end up on us. This amounts to the largest tax increase in American history under the guise of climate change, declared Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind. Read more: 'Obama implores Senate to pass climate bill' By Charles Babingtin Associated Press, June 26, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/pbls9o
[FairfieldLife] Bill? What Bill?
How many members of Congress do you suppose have gone through it all to see how it changes the bill? Read more: 'Bill? What Bill?' Posted by John Hindraker Powerline, June 27, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/qgo4lr The Democrats, not having read the bill, were unable to comment... Read more: 'Cap and Trade to Limp Across Finish Line?' Posted by John Hindraker Powerline June 25, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/l58bg9
[FairfieldLife] Children of the Golden Spaceships
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[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
Just 17% of Americans say the government is more likely to spend its money wisely and carefully than a private business, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Sixty-two percent (62%) say a private business is more likely to spend its money carefully that would make sense. Private business actually feels the sting of poor spending, where government doesn't. If a government plan doesn't work, the senators and representatives still have a job making over 100k per year. If a private business's idea fails, they can potentially go out of business, or they have to lose employees. This is the argument of capitalism vs. socialism. to me, capitalism means survival of the fittest, and 'hopefully' the fittest will have enough compassion for the unfit after payday to me, socialism means everyone gets a payday, no matter how fit you are, we just have to figure out how to get that money from the fittest (in case you don't recognize, i'm not really assuming that either will work out perfectly, I think people fight for the one that corresponds to the type of person they are. I, personally, could live with either system.) seekliberation
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
Just 17% of Americans say the government is more likely to spend its money wisely and carefully than a private business, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Sixty-two percent (62%) say a private business is more likely to spend its money carefully seekliberation wrote: ...socialism means everyone gets a payday, no matter how fit you are, we just have to figure out how to get that money from the fittest The idea of a government-run health insurance program to compete with private plans is troubling even to potential Republican backers of a health care overhaul like Senator Collins. Ms. Collins said she would like to see the legislation put more emphasis on health promotion, disease prevention, end of life care, as well as tax credits for small businesses and self-employed Americans to ease their access to health insurance... Read more: 'Little Hope for G.O.P. to Support Health Bill' By Carl Hulse and David M. Herszenhorn New York Times, June 26, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/oe7ap6
[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Golden Spaceships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=39991 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=39991o=allop=1view=allsubj=61\ 5308 9742aid=-1id=1628076107oid=6153089742 o=allop=1view=allsubj=6153089742aid=-1id=1628076107oid=6153089742 Thank goodness it's a benevolent saucer-shaped spaceship and not an evil cigar-shaped spaceship from the Limbaugh Continuum. http://i42.tinypic.com/21918ur.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Stephen Colbert reviews the - Republican - Health Care Plan
[hilarious] Watch: http://snipurl.com/kzoyr [www_colbertnation_com]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I like a lot of what Chopra says and writes. And then there's stuff he is just stupid about. What i object to about him is his Dauphin airs, a kinda arrogance about him. As I've said before, Chopra was after my time in the TMO. I've never read any of his books, do not expect ever to read any of his books, and have no real feel for him other than articles that have been quoted here or published on the Web. That said, there does seem to be something both attention-seeking *and* stupid about him. But what I find more interesting is the enduring hatred that long-term TMers seem to aim at him. Whatever they claim on the surface, the bottom line of it always has struck me as them being *jealous* of him for *making* money by parroting the same unoriginal, recycled spiritual dogma that they had to *pay* money to parrot. The average TM teacher or TM camp follower has spent thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars learning and then parroting knowledge that Maharishi himself (as far as I can tell) was doing nothing more than parroting from other sources. Chopra's main sin seems to be that he figured this out and decided to cut out the middle man and keep the parrot-money for himself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: Offworld, quick question, i'm not very full of knowledge on the subject of socialized medicine vs. capitalist/insurance form of medical care. So it's hard for me to have a real opinion here. I only have one observation, and it is based on my own limited experience of my family and employment for the last 17 years. (you being from Europe where there is socialized medicine may be more knowledgeable). In addition, I remember most co-workers that I worked with over the years having the same issue. No health or dental insurance, but they always had money to spend on a dimebag, or quarterbag of weed every weekend. They always had a case of beer in the fridge, new rims on their cars, and badass stereos in their cars. These days, people I run into from my old high school or I hear about other friends and family who don't have medical insurance. But what they do have is an IPOD, cable TV, a rather nice car, home entertainment system, etc the list goes on. Hi Seeklib ;-) Everyone in Britain has health care, dental care, AND... i-pods, TV's, nice cars etc. In fact, about 1/4 of the cars in the US would not be allowed on British roads because they are too rusty, faulty, and clunky. And everyone has a roof over their head in Britain if they want it, and public transport in Europe is fairly cheap and all over the place You have tent cities in LA, and more poverty in the US than I have ever seen anywhere in Europe. Not only that, many countries did not get into as big a bailout as America, because they already had safety nets in place for everyone (health, unemployment, travel, re-training, etc.) for when you loose a job or the economy is bad. American taxpayers forked out about 2 trillion dollars to keep the system going - including poorly functioning corporations. That is not socialism, it is communism, but you will be paying for it for years. If you are in the military, that means your military budget is going to get a lot less money too, although I know Obama will do everything to prevent Vets loosing out (Bush/Cheney would have cut them. Period.) Police forces will have less money. Education will suffer, and that, my friend, is a matter of National Security - I'm not joking. The list goes on and on. I recently looked up the average cost of health insurance per year for an adult. It's $1800 per year, roughly. Obviously if you're a crack whore living on a freeway in a war zone during a soccer riot, you may have to add a little to that premium. That average cost sounds wrong. I'm, 47, live in the US, and it is $4,800 dollars a year for me in the US, and it does not include dental - which it does in Britain. I wouldn't mind paying 2,500-3,000 a year here, but I never get sick (not even colds) - so $4000 is ok, but just a little too much for my liking. But I am not concerned about myself, I can handle it. Its other people I am concerned about. Apparently mine is low compared to the average 47 year old. If I had a family, it would probably be much more (does anyone know how much families pay?) What happens when you have kids? You will get older, which will cost WAY more than 1,800 a month - (except the government will cover for military, just like they do in communist countries... and that is a good thing that military are covered.) My theory is that 'most' Americans who don't have health insurance don't have it because their priorities are fucked up. Or better put, their thirst for entertainment outweighs their own long term well being. I disagree. There are good families who lost jobs, lost houses, and are on the streets and have no health insurance. And that situation tends to spiral down, when there is no real safety net. And let me repeat, in Britain we have socialized medicine, but everyone still does ALL those good things you talked about, and more. We tend not to have as many second homes as Americans, I'll admit that. And therefore, there is no political agenda that will fix this situation. As Ron White put it You Can't Fix Stupid. As I always say at the end, I know there are some rare exceptions, but I have seen very few(like blind or deaf people who can't work, or retarded people, permenantly crippled, etc...). THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT: Generally speaking, as far as I understand it, even if you do not have insurance, you will get treated in the US if you are in an accident or have a heart attack, etc. (You may be forced to pay for it later though.) But if you get ling term sick and have any money, you can be sued for the costs, loose your house. loose everything. A long illness can BANKRUPT even RICH families.: Medical bills underlie 60 percent of U.S. bankrupts: study: More than 75 percent of these bankrupt families had health insurance but still were overwhelmed by their medical debts, the team at Harvard Law School, Harvard Medical School and Ohio
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: Just 17% of Americans say the government is more likely to spend its money wisely and carefully than a private business, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Sixty-two percent (62%) say a private business is more likely to spend its money carefully that would make sense. Private business actually feels the sting of poor spending, where government doesn't. If a government plan doesn't work, the senators and representatives still have a job making over 100k per year. If a private business's idea fails, they can potentially go out of business, or they have to lose employees. This is the argument of capitalism vs. socialism. to me, capitalism means survival of the fittest, and 'hopefully' the fittest will have enough compassion for the unfit after payday to me, socialism means everyone gets a payday, no matter how fit you are, we just have to figure out how to get that money from the fittest That is short-sighted. All the scientific studies show that the species and sub-species that do the best, are those that co-operate with each other - help each other- not the dog eat dog - survival of the fittest. This is scientific fact, so I'm not worried about republicans who still want the old school ways. They don't work. Your system is archaic and absolutely has no chance of survival. This is not a judgement, it is just afact of life. My new term is Survivla of the Smartest -- and that means co-operation and healing the Earth to bring abundance . This is the future. It is not an opinion. It is a fact. Anything else is going back to the Dark Ages - which I will be very good, with my broadsword, at making you all my slaves if that is what you want. There is no way out Seeklib, this is the future. OffWorld (in case you don't recognize, i'm not really assuming that either will work out perfectly, I think people fight for the one that corresponds to the type of person they are. I, personally, could live with either system.) seekliberation
[FairfieldLife] 50% Republicans support Public Health Care Plan
Half of those who call themselves Republicans say they would support a public plan, along with nearly three-fourths of independents and almost nine in 10 Democrats. ~~ NYT/CBS News poll: Wide Support for Government-Run Health ~~ The national telephone survey, which was conducted from June 12 to 16, found that 72 percent of those questioned supported a government-administered insurance plan something like Medicare for those under 65 that would compete for customers with private insurers. Twenty percent said they were opposed. Republicans in Congress have fiercely criticized the proposal as an unneeded expansion of government that might evolve into a system of nationalized health coverage and lead to the rationing of care. But in the poll, the proposal received broad bipartisan backing, with half of those who call themselves Republicans saying they would support a public plan, along with nearly three-fourths of independents and almost nine in 10 Democrats. ~Full report: http://snipurl.com/kkwqr [www_nytimes_com] - In another poll: ~~ 83% Support a Public Option for Health Care ~~ Eighty-three percent of Americans favor and only 14 percent oppose creating a new public health insurance plan that anyone can purchase according to EBRI, a conservative business research organization. This flatly contradicts conservatives' loudest attack against President Obama's plan to provide quality, affordable health care for all. The Employee Benefit Research Institute (EBRI) calls itself the most authoritative and objective source of information on the issues of employee retirement and health benefits. Founded in 1978, EBRI says it is the gold standard for private analysts and decision makers, government policymakers, the media, and the public. And EBRI is funded by many of the largest corporations in America. Read the full report here: http://snipurl.com/kzpls [www_ourfuture_org]
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: ...i'm not very full of knowledge on the subject of socialized medicine vs. capitalist/insurance form of medical care... Seek, I like you, so I'm not going to light into you for this post. I'm simply going to post a few counterpoints to your points. I recently looked up the average cost of health insurance per year for an adult. It's $1800 per year, roughly. Ahem. The last time I lived in the US, as a 50-ish self-employed male with *zero* history of serious illness or risk factors, my health insurance premiums cost me $600+ per month. That's more like $7200 per year. Then I moved to France, where I was again a 50-ish self-employed male not eligible for the French health care system. So I had to go out and again buy health insurance from an independent insurance provider. When I did, I found that the cost of *better* health insur- ance than I had received for $600+ per month in the US cost me 235 Euros. Per year. Same 50-ish (now 60-ish) body. Same medical history. Different country. Different sensibilities with regard to what health care actually COSTS. *Better* health care and health care providers. So far I've been staying out of this health care debate on FFL because it's really not fair for me to participate in it. I currently live in Spain, where my yearly health care -- this time including full *dental* coverage -- costs me less than twice what I was paying in France, 400 Euros per year. You people in the United States are playing catch up after decades of allowing the insurance and health care war profiteers to fuck you in the ass, without even using a little K-Y jelly to make the experience less painful. It's not the insurance industry's and the health care industry's fault -- it's YOUR fault for letting things go so far. If you had just TRAVELED, and seen for yourselves what sane countries do about taking care of their citizens, you would never have allowed this state of affairs to happen. But you didn't. You sat back on your fat asses and believed the America has the best standard of living in the world meme and allowed the for-profit doctors and the for-profit hospitals and the for-BIG- profit HMOs and the for-INSANE-profit insurance companies to tell you what health care really costs. They've been LYING to you. And you've been LETTING them. The blame lies IMO in the laps of those who didn't do their homework and find out what drugs and health care and health services *really* cost, and wonder more loudly why they were paying 5-to-100 times that much for *their* health care. On this subject, living as I do in a fairly SANE country, one that sees health care as a basic right, not a luxury, it really is not fair for me to comment more on this issue in the United States. All I can do is echo the Subject line -- You can't fix stupid -- and add a sub-Subject line -- Stupid gets what it deserves.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Golden Spaceships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Thank goodness it's a benevolent saucer-shaped spaceship and not an evil cigar-shaped spaceship from the Limbaugh Continuum. LOL. To riff on Freud, Sometimes a cigar is *not* just a cigar.[:)] The original photo looked to me as if the Space Brothers were trying to mate with the Flying Dome. Can't you just imagine the stories they'd tell when they got home? I found this great looking domebabe on Earth, and it looked like she'd be a lot of fun, but all she did is just lay there. And afterwards, she had the gall to ask me if I'd pay for her to go on a 'Mother Divine' course, whatever that is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
Richard As far as I can gather Guru Dev seldom visited Jyotirmath, perhaps only twice during his tenure as Shankaracharya. His main ashram was in Benares (it is still there) that ashram is dedicated to his guru and funded by a trust in Dandi Swami Krishanand's name. Regarding his expenditures, all sources are agreed that he used some sort of divine purse, that he had some sort of siddhi that dealt with material funds. Yes, I know it seems very childish to believe such things are possible, but unless accounts of some trust are discovered, which show that Guru Dev was supported by benefactors' donations, I for one will continue to keep an open mind. On the subject of controversy, I recently had a German initiator contact me to tell me how Maharishi declared to about seventy course participants on the Spiritual Guides Course in Rishikesh early 1970 that Guru Dev had been killed by rat poison administered repeatedly by the cook. And I had thought this was just a rumour created and circulated on AMT. Does anyone else at FFL remember Maharishi saying this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943? About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. Nabby wrote: I do not believe they sent cash as He did not allow such contributions; but flowers and fruits, chairs and tents; obviously. Have you ever heard of the Jyotirmath Trust Fund? What do you think a Trust Fund does, Nabby? It takes donations from wealthy patrons and puts it in the bank in a 'trust fund' to be spent for worthy causes. Where do you think they got all the money to rebuild the Jyotirmath Ashram? Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and with the help of Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, sitting right next to the Guru Dev.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
TurquoiseB wrote: Ahem. The last time I lived in the US, as a 50-ish self-employed male with *zero* history of serious illness or risk factors, my health insurance premiums cost me $600+ per month. That's more like $7200 per year. That must've been a co-pay $50 deductible policy. IOW, pretty much what you'd get with most group policies back then. I rode a Cobra until it ran out and had a discussion with an agent from that health insurance company. Because I'm overweight they wanted to tack on a 50% surcharge (which drove my doctor nuts). I mused to the agent I suppose everyone at (name of insurance company) is slim and trim knowing from telltale signs of her voice she wasn't. Immediately she started mentioning money saving policies I could have (gee where were those before). So basically I purchased a $1500 deductible policy. Given I also have had few health problems doing the math it doesn't take long to put away some savings for those kinds of deductibles. I say if the European countries can provide health care for so little so can the US. But the US is a capitalistic cluster fuck with everyone out to get theirs. We are so screwed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
Hi Seeklib ;-) Not only that, many countries did not get into as big a bailout as America, because they already had safety nets in place for everyone (health, unemployment, travel, re-training, etc.) for when you loose a job or the economy is bad. American taxpayers forked out about 2 trillion dollars to keep the system going - including poorly functioning corporations. That is not socialism, it is communism, but you will be paying for it for years. I know, it pisses me off. People say we're capitalist, but bailing out poorly functioning companies is communism, as you've pointed out. Americans are way too attached to their current system. If you are in the military, that means your military budget is going to get a lot less money too, although I know Obama will do everything to prevent Vets losing out (Bush/Cheney would have cut them. Period.) Police forces will have less money. Education will suffer, and that, my friend, is a matter of National Security - I'm not joking. Yeah, another illusion that Republicans like is that they're pro-military. During the Clinton years, miltary didn't really suffer much. Yeah, some bases were closed down, but that was for efficiency. This year, our reenlisment bonuses have been reduced, but my attitude is 'so what?' Military isn't the only aspect of society that is in need. People in the military don't see it that way. Another illusion is that the democrats are less prone to war. True, they don't start major wars, but they usually have a lot more covert operations going on. SEAL's, Recon, Rangers, and Special Forces were quite busy during the Clinton administration. Now that Obama is in office, they will start becoming more active, while conventional forces will start to settle down (unless North Korea starts something big). That average cost sounds wrong. I'm, 47, live in the US, and it is $4,800 dollars a year for me in the US, and it does not include dental - which it does in Britain. I wouldn't mind paying 2,500-3,000 a year here, but I never get sick (not even colds) - so $4000 is ok, but just a little too much for my liking. But I am not concerned about myself, I can handle it. Its other people I am concerned about. Apparently mine is low compared to the average 47 year old. If I had a family, it would probably be much more (does anyone know how much families pay?) wow, 4800? 400/month, to me that's a bit too much, unless you're in horrible health. I almost left the military to work as a contracter, and I looked into basic coverage. In 2004, it would've been just over $1800/yr for me. If I retire out of the military, I can get family coverage for about $1000/yr, but that's due to retirement benefits. However, i'm skeptical of the quality of care I would get. I disagree. There are good families who lost jobs, lost houses, and are on the streets and have no health insurance. And that situation tends to spiral down, when there is no real safety net. And let me repeat, in Britain we have socialized medicine, but everyone still does ALL those good things you talked about, and more. We tend not to have as many second homes as Americans, I'll admit that. I think our disagreement comes from the people we know, and I emphasized that in my post. I do come from a lower class background and have been surrounded by people with rather serious attitude problems, drug problems, work ethic issues, etc which I feel is the #1 source of their problems. Of course, i'm on board with you regarding good families who've lost jobs, houses, and have no insurance. The capitalist solution says that there will be charity organizations available for emergency cases like that, which I think is bullshit. The socialist solution says they will have something to fall back on, a safety net. Personally, I don't care which system is used, i'll do what I have to in order to make it. But I think I could probably mentally relax more with one system over the other. No system is perfect, but I grew up with everyone's health care taken care of. Period. It is completely unnatural and barbaric to me that some people don't even go for care for fear of costs, others can go bankrupt. My Dad was a well paid air traffic controller, and he never complained about the tiny amount taken off his pay check for health insurance for all people (he complained a lot about local property taxes - which were about the same as most places in the US.) However, the whole argument is irrelevant unless we can get corporate profit out of health care. That is killing the system. Doctors have their hands tied by these greedy bastards. Many people are getting given expensive treatments they don't even need, because the corporations - (who do not properly pay their taxes in the US - in other words they are stealing out of your pocket - right now ) -- they have the system sewn up. They are lobbying
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
On this subject, living as I do in a fairly SANE country, one that sees health care as a basic right, not a luxury, it really is not fair for me to comment more on this issue in the United States. All I can do is echo the Subject line -- You can't fix stupid -- and add a sub-Subject line -- Stupid gets what it deserves. Turq, good point. When I looked into avg health care costs, I was putting in for a different program available to myself, but most are not eligible for. I would be eligible for full coverage for just under 2k per year. However, i'm in a different category as most americans. So I can imagine the cost will most likely double for most civilians. And yes, stupid does get what it deserves. seekliberation
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandp...@... wrote: Richard As far as I can gather Guru Dev seldom visited Jyotirmath, perhaps only twice during his tenure as Shankaracharya. His main ashram was in Benares (it is still there) that ashram is dedicated to his guru and funded by a trust in Dandi Swami Krishanand's name. Regarding his expenditures, all sources are agreed that he used some sort of divine purse, that he had some sort of siddhi that dealt with material funds. Yes, I know it seems very childish to believe such things are possible, but unless accounts of some trust are discovered, which show that Guru Dev was supported by benefactors' donations, I for one will continue to keep an open mind. Considering who and what Guru Dev is/was, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that he indeed DID have the spiritual status to manifest wealth for his purposes without relying on conventional outside sources. == Guru Dev was known for his self-sufficiency and would not accept donations from anyone, whether rich or poor. In fact, a sign was erected at his ashram which said, Worthy of Worship, Infinitely Bestowed, The Universal Guru Shankaracharya Jyotirmath, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Maharaj prohibits any offerings of wealth. Among the sages of India, the concept of self-sufficiency has a special meaning. First, it means one who is filled with love of the Divine and beyond personal human relationships. Second, it means one who is beyond personal attachments and cannot be swayed from right action. And third, it means one who lives without any earthly means of support. == ~~I believe you have the above in your archives, Paul. On the subject of controversy, I recently had a German initiator contact me to tell me how Maharishi declared to about seventy course participants on the Spiritual Guides Course in Rishikesh early 1970 that Guru Dev had been killed by rat poison administered repeatedly by the cook. And I had thought this was just a rumour created and circulated on AMT. Does anyone else at FFL remember Maharishi saying this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_reply@ wrote: Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943? About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. Nabby wrote: I do not believe they sent cash as He did not allow such contributions; but flowers and fruits, chairs and tents; obviously. Have you ever heard of the Jyotirmath Trust Fund? What do you think a Trust Fund does, Nabby? It takes donations from wealthy patrons and puts it in the bank in a 'trust fund' to be spent for worthy causes. Where do you think they got all the money to rebuild the Jyotirmath Ashram? Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and with the help of Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, sitting right next to the Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip If you had just TRAVELED, and seen for yourselves what sane countries do about taking care of their citizens, you would never have allowed this state of affairs to happen. But you didn't. You sat back on your fat asses and believed the America has the best standard of living in the world meme and allowed the for-profit doctors and the for-profit hospitals and the for-BIG- profit HMOs and the for-INSANE-profit insurance companies to tell you what health care really costs. Actually, there's a much simpler (and much less expensive) way Americans could have become informed about the cost of their health care relative to what people pay in other countries: the media could have told us. The fact of how much more we pay *should* have been in the first paragraph of every story in the mainstream media about health care reform. But it's almost never mentioned. Total health expenditures per capita, 2003 United States $5711 Australia $2886 Austria $2958 Belgium $3044 Canada $2998 Denmark $2743 Finland $2104 France $3048 Germany $2983 Iceland $3159 Ireland $2466 Italy $2314 Japan $2249 Luxembourg $4611 Netherlands $2909 Norway $3769 Sweden $2745 Switzerland $3847 United Kingdom $2317 http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm010307oth.cfm They've been LYING to you. And you've been LETTING them. The blame lies IMO in the laps of those who didn't do their homework and find out what drugs and health care and health services *really* cost, and wonder more loudly why they were paying 5-to-100 times that much for *their* health care. Actually only about twice as much, on average. But that's bad enough.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 26, 2009, at 10:48 PM, bob_brigante wrote: Repeated studies have shown that consuming caffeine and carbohydrates before and duringworkouts improves performance in many cases. Researchers from Australia have just published a report in the Journal of Applied Physiology that says these substances quickly replenish the fuel supply to the muscles when consumed after a workout, too. Gosh, Bob, and in other news, the grass is green, and the sky is blue. Caffeine and carbs give extra energy...who woulda thought it? Gee, it's too bad these researchers didn't have Stupid Sal around to tell them their studies were all unnecessary. (Of course, it's not just extra energy, as she would have known if she'd bothered to read Bob's links.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
Barry: Next time you snip something from one of my posts, would you please be kind enough to put snip there? Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I like a lot of what Chopra says and writes. And then there's stuff he is just stupid about. What i object to about him is his Dauphin airs, a kinda arrogance about him. As I've said before, Chopra was after my time in the TMO. I've never read any of his books, do not expect ever to read any of his books, and have no real feel for him other than articles that have been quoted here or published on the Web. That said, there does seem to be something both attention-seeking *and* stupid about him. But what I find more interesting is the enduring hatred that long-term TMers seem to aim at him. Whatever they claim on the surface, the bottom line of it always has struck me as them being *jealous* of him for *making* money by parroting the same unoriginal, recycled spiritual dogma that they had to *pay* money to parrot. The average TM teacher or TM camp follower has spent thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars learning and then parroting knowledge that Maharishi himself (as far as I can tell) was doing nothing more than parroting from other sources. Chopra's main sin seems to be that he figured this out and decided to cut out the middle man and keep the parrot-money for himself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943? About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. Where do you think they got all the money to rebuild the Jyotirmath Ashram? From He who gives the whole thing, the real thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip But what I find more interesting is the enduring hatred that long-term TMers seem to aim at him. Whatever they claim on the surface, the bottom line of it always has struck me as them being *jealous* of him for *making* money by parroting the same unoriginal, recycled spiritual dogma that they had to *pay* money to parrot. Just on the *off-chance* anybody would assume Barry's including me among these TMers, I'll point out what he already knows, which is that (1) I've repeatedly *defended* Chopra from many of the TMers' attacks (as well as from those of anti-TMer John Knapp); and (2) I didn't think he was all that swift *while he was still in the movement*. But I've only gotten really disgusted with his pompous preening fairly recently. He's becoming a caricature of himself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I think he (Chopra) plays with fire when he copies much of the TM technique without doing it through the organisation from whom he got it. Well said ! Indeed this Chopra-fellow is nothing but a lowlife nobody and a thief.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has worst)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: Hi Seeklib ;-) Not only that, many countries did not get into as big a bailout as America, because they already had safety nets in place for everyone (health, unemployment, travel, re-training, etc.) for when you loose a job or the economy is bad. American taxpayers forked out about 2 trillion dollars to keep the system going - including poorly functioning corporations. That is not socialism, it is communism, but you will be paying for it for years. I know, it pisses me off. People say we're capitalist, but bailing out poorly functioning companies is communism, as you've pointed out. Americans are way too attached to their current system. If you are in the military, that means your military budget is going to get a lot less money too, although I know Obama will do everything to prevent Vets losing out (Bush/Cheney would have cut them. Period.) Police forces will have less money. Education will suffer, and that, my friend, is a matter of National Security - I'm not joking. Yeah, another illusion that Republicans like is that they're pro-military. During the Clinton years, miltary didn't really suffer much. Yeah, some bases were closed down, but that was for efficiency. This year, our reenlisment bonuses have been reduced, but my attitude is 'so what?' Military isn't the only aspect of society that is in need. People in the military don't see it that way. Another illusion is that the democrats are less prone to war. True, they don't start major wars, but they usually have a lot more covert operations going on. SEAL's, Recon, Rangers, and Special Forces were quite busy during the Clinton administration. Now that Obama is in office, they will start becoming more active, while conventional forces will start to settle down (unless North Korea starts something big). That average cost sounds wrong. I'm, 47, live in the US, and it is $4,800 dollars a year for me in the US, and it does not include dental - which it does in Britain. I wouldn't mind paying 2,500-3,000 a year here, but I never get sick (not even colds) - so $4000 is ok, but just a little too much for my liking. But I am not concerned about myself, I can handle it. Its other people I am concerned about. Apparently mine is low compared to the average 47 year old. If I had a family, it would probably be much more (does anyone know how much families pay?) wow, 4800? 400/month, to me that's a bit too much, unless you're in horrible health. I almost left the military to work as a contracter, and I looked into basic coverage. In 2004, it would've been just over $1800/yr for me. If I retire out of the military, I can get family coverage for about $1000/yr, but that's due to retirement benefits. However, i'm skeptical of the quality of care I would get. I disagree. There are good families who lost jobs, lost houses, and are on the streets and have no health insurance. And that situation tends to spiral down, when there is no real safety net. And let me repeat, in Britain we have socialized medicine, but everyone still does ALL those good things you talked about, and more. We tend not to have as many second homes as Americans, I'll admit that. I think our disagreement comes from the people we know, and I emphasized that in my post. I do come from a lower class background and have been surrounded by people with rather serious attitude problems, drug problems, work ethic issues, etc which I feel is the #1 source of their problems. Of course, i'm on board with you regarding good families who've lost jobs, houses, and have no insurance. The capitalist solution says that there will be charity organizations available for emergency cases like that, which I think is bullshit. The socialist solution says they will have something to fall back on, a safety net. Personally, I don't care which system is used, i'll do what I have to in order to make it. But I think I could probably mentally relax more with one system over the other. No system is perfect, but I grew up with everyone's health care taken care of. Period. It is completely unnatural and barbaric to me that some people don't even go for care for fear of costs, others can go bankrupt. My Dad was a well paid air traffic controller, and he never complained about the tiny amount taken off his pay check for health insurance for all people (he complained a lot about local property taxes - which were about the same as most places in the US.) However, the whole argument is irrelevant unless we can get corporate profit out of health care. That is killing the system. Doctors have their hands tied by these greedy bastards. Many people are getting given expensive treatments they don't even need, because the corporations - (who do not properly pay their taxes in the US - in other words they are stealing out of your pocket - right now ) -- they have the system sewn up. They are lobbying (ie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: From Nader's book Human Physiology, expression of the Veda, p. 15: The interaction of forces, even though within the unmanifest, creates a dissymmetry, as if a distortion, in the flat and homogeneous -- yet infinitely flexible -- absolute singularity of the Unified Field; the absolute pure Being, pure existence, remains unmanifest. The virtual pull and push, rise and fall, vibration and stillness, dymanism and silence, leads to the formation of structure within the unmanifest. Structure is the result of the apparent breaking of infinite symmetry. With all possible interactions always taking place in accordance with the fundamental forces that uphold them, structure is the result of the virtual distortion generated by the action of forces. Symmetry Breaking The all at once of it all Happening always Now Flashing foot-fall A jubilant parade Of blazing colors Flaming euphoric Confetti instants Transmitting A noisy blizzard of static On crackling radio crystals Humming primordial sounds Sending synaptic signals Freeze-framing recollections Images flickering light Furiously cartooning pages Flipping Kinescopically Holding a child's delight A shadow show Connecting Earth travelers Pair bonding Seed to seed Progenitors knowing Time ends Space bends Curving back on itself Symmetry breaking Again and again Repeating non-errant Replicating Self-echoes Structures apparent Virtual distortions Changing Quaking Shattering Action of forces Directing brain courses Optic nerve naming Beauty Eyewitness gaming Particle or wave Viewed through peepholes Amazingly elusive Collapsing infinity Puzzles in pieces Fitting to know That I am raunchydog
[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Yep, even lazy vegetarians have more endurance than athletic meat-eaters: Of the three groups compared, the... flesh-eaters showed far less endurance than the abstainers (vegetarians), even when the latter were leading a sedentary life. Overall, the average score of the vegetarians was over double the average score of the meat-eaters, even though half of the vegetarians were sedentary people, while all of the meat-eaters tested were athletes. A comparable study was done by Dr. J. Ioteyko of the Academie de Medicine of Paris. Dr. Ioteyko compared the endurance of vegetarians and meat-eaters from all walks of life in a variety of tests. The vegetarians averaged two to three times more stamina than the meat-eaters. Even more remarkably, they took only one-fifth the time to recover from exhaustion compared to their meat-eating rivals. Wherever and whenever tests of this nature have been done, the results have been similar. Doctors in Belgium systematically compared the number of times vegetarians and meat-eaters could squeeze a grip-meter. The vegetarians won handily with an average of 69, whilst the meat-eaters averaged only 38. As in all other studies which have measured muscle recovery time, here, too the vegetarians bounced back from fatigue far more rapidly than did the meat-eaters. -- http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/books/dietamerica.html http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/books/dietamerica.html http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/books/dietamerica.html http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/books/dietamerica.html In this day and age, competitive athletes will do just about *anything* to get an edge up over the next guy, so if vegetarian diets provide such spectacularly improved athletic performance over diets containing meat, why aren't most athletes vegetarians? Because they are stupid. They are meat-eaters. Meat-eater=stupid. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1020 pundits in VC by end of July
Did you get the 6000 in the Brahmastan from Bob Wynne or from where? I have never heard of this as anything more than a goal, most recent numbers I have heard are far less than that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: In today's Global Family Chat, Bob Wynne, in India, announced he is bringing in an additional 200 pundits to Vedic City, for a total of 1020. There are 100,000 pundits-in-training at 1800 sites in India, as well as about 6K pundits at the Brahmastan and other locations. http://www.maharishichannel.in/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Hidden track ....
nice discussion for those who like take pure speculation, repeat it until they believe it to have some truth and then discuss about it as if it means anything, there is lots of that here. Just because you imagine how others think and feel, or you mistake your idea of how you want or think they should be thinking and feeling with reality doesn't make it anymore than a projection of your own mental state. And there is some strangely mistaken idea about D.L. and D.L.F, J.H. is the HEAD and D.L. is just the public face, D.L. is more of a doctriinaire movement person than Maharishi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: joerg dao [mailto:joerg...@...] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 5:02 AM To: r...@... Subject: Hidden track Hi Rick, this could be some nice discussion on the FFL. If you like. 2 days after the tragic death of Michael Jackson, where all media nearly reported identical, I looked into our main business paper, to see, what they would have to say. They had an article more in the back part of the whole thing, but concentrated already on the subject of money. Who will get what bite of the rights and legacy of MJ. I liked this approach, purely business, after 2 days already. And was reminded of my last visit in Vlodrop, in 2005. I was invitet into the Raja tent, and saw all Rajas sitting in front, waiting for the King, and the maharishi over audio saying his inspirations. But when I looked into the faces of the bored and often angry looking Rajas, I felt, that very soon, gravity would tear this group apart. By gravity, I would mean the power of money, and who would get which parts of the kingdom of the mmy. Now more than 14 months after the maharishi, all still seems nearly silent. If there are power struggles, the rajas really know to keep them to themselves. David Lynch achieved some quiet new breakout of the rajadom by putting marketing wisdom before rajaism. There was no connection betw. Hagelin and his official being the raja on the website of DLF.tv, and only one very small picture of the maharishi. But to look into this group, would be good if we would know, who is holding which part, and what - for instance: who has the rights to the maharishi videos - parts are in which hands. Any oficial group would come out with such statements and inform the public, how to go on in future. So we still will see more to unfold. Either openly, or on the hidden track. cheers joerg. . More than http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ messages
[FairfieldLife] Vegetraian diet is superior ---- was: I bet Turq never killed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: I discussed this with my trainer this morning, and he agreed with me that the logical explanation is that a person eating a vegetarian diet, higher in carbs, would have greater glycogen stores and replenish them more quickly. It would be interesting to see some newer studies of this phenomenon. ** The question of whether the multiple benefits of vegetarian dietary practices extend to enhanced physical fitness and performance has been explored since the early 20th century, when a few simple studies reported greater muscular endurance in vegetarian than in nonvegetarian subjects, but these results were not confirmed in subsequent research http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/70/3/570S.pdf http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/70/3/570S.pdf Off will probably refute this by saying that the athletes involved in these studies hadn't studied Shotokan Karate long enough, and/or weren't from Vermont or of Scot heritage, and thus don't count. That's his idea of peer- reviewed science. :-) From Runner's and Triathlete's Web News Runner's and Triathlete's Web News : by By Owen Anderson, Ph. D. Many meat-eating athletes wonder whether a switch to a vegetarian diet might provide a performance boost, and there are logical reasons for such thinking. First, vegetarian diets tend to be high-carbohydrate regimens, which should lead to optimal glycogen storage in muscles. At the lofty intensities required for high-level training and serious competition, carbohydrate is the primary source of energy; when muscle-carbohydrate (glycogen) levels are too low, athletes experience fatigue and tend to perform poorly (1). Thus, a vegetarian diet may function as an insurance policy against insipid intramuscular carbohydrate storage and underachievement in races. In addition, it is possible that vegetarian eating might enhance the recovery process following tough workouts and competitions. The reasoning goes this way: High-intensity or prolonged effort generates increased levels of free radicals within an athlete's body, potentially enhancing the breakdown of cell membranes, including the membranes which wrap around muscle cells (2). An athlete's own physiological systems can synthesize antioxidant enzymes to stem this free-radical onslaught, but an additional line of defense is provided via the consumption of antioxidant nutrients. Vegetarian diets revolve around fruits, vegetables, and whole grains - the kinds of food which are high in antioxidants. Thus, vegetarian eating may do a better job of protecting muscle cells during hard training, compared with dietary plans which are more biased toward meats. Of course, the coup-de-grace pro-vegetarian argument in the running community relies on the fact that Kenyan distance runners, at least when they are coming up, are basically lactoovovegetarians, depending on corn, beans, and the various fruits and vegetables found in Kenya, along with dabbles in milk and eggs, to fuel their achievements. Since the Kenyans perform better as a group than any other runners in the world, it would seem that vegetarian diets, or at least lactoovovegetarian ones, go hand-in-hand with top performances. ' http://tinyurl.com/88mc6 http://tinyurl.com/88mc6 I rest my case. Turq lost. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: I bet Turq never killed an animal for food in his life. How much would you be willing to wager? off_world_beings wrote: How do you propose to prove it? It doesn't work that way; it's your bet. You specify how much you are willing to wager and I match it or raise you and and call your bet; then you show your proof. How do you propose to prove it? This is how it works Willytex. We agree on how it will be proven. We agree on it, And then the bet is on. There is no raising and bullshit... that's for card games. Its a bet. I bet you $100 that Turq never hunted and killed an animal in his life, and then ate it. You will now have to prove that he did. And him going out and killing a rabbit now ,and then taking a picture of it, just so that you can win the bet, will not work. It will have to be proven to have been in the past. This is how the real world works Willy. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Kucinich Votes Against Cap and Trade
For good reasons too. One of the things that bugs me about these kinds of bills is the idea of carbon taxes. Why penalize? Why not incentivize instead? Maybe they want to bolster the prison industrial complex too by making criminals out of ordinary citizens. Around here they want to penalize people for using too much water. Why not give discounts instead if people use less? Bureaucrats and love their little power trips. I'm thinking of going in front of the city council and telling them to stop fascist tactics and use positive approaches. But they're probably too stupid to understand. http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/26/dennis-kucinich-votes-against-climate-change-bill/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vegetraian diet is superior ---- was: I bet Turq never killed
off_world_beings wrote: From Runner's and Triathlete's Web News Runner's and Triathlete's Web News : by By Owen Anderson, Ph. D. Many meat-eating athletes wonder whether a switch to a vegetarian diet might provide a performance boost, and there are logical reasons for such thinking. First, vegetarian diets tend to be high-carbohydrate regimens, which should lead to optimal glycogen storage in muscles. At the lofty intensities required for high-level training and serious competition, carbohydrate is the primary source of energy; when muscle-carbohydrate (glycogen) levels are too low, athletes experience fatigue and tend to perform poorly (1). Thus, a vegetarian diet may function as an insurance policy against insipid intramuscular carbohydrate storage and underachievement in races. Turns them into vata types. Ever notice that most successful runners ARE vata types? Light and thin as the air. Same true with the cherry bowl heads. But for some people to go on vegetarian diets can be a huge mistake. The diet for kapha types actually IS the low carb diet. But it may not work well if you have acquired kapha and are not really a kapha type. I lose weight on a low carb diet and get no work done. Some people with accumulated kapha may have crashed thyroid and/or adrenal glands. They just don't have umph to go exercise especially with an adrenal insufficiency. Vegetarianism isn't for everyone though about 80% of Americans could cut way back on their meat consumption which is almost 3 times daily. Oops, better watch out or the cattlemen's association will send out a hit man. Remember how they screamed about Oprah?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
Whatever did happen to Michael Jackson, here's a video reminder of the person he was underneath all the glitz and neuroses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5O61yKkdr4 This was shot for a Pepsi commercial in 1992. Kudos to the Pepsi folks for having the restraint to capture this lovely glimpse of his shining, gentle, tender aspect just as it was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Whatever did happen to Michael Jackson, here's a video reminder of the person he was underneath all the glitz and neuroses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5O61yKkdr4 This was shot for a Pepsi commercial in 1992. Kudos to the Pepsi folks for having the restraint to capture this lovely glimpse of his shining, gentle, tender aspect just as it was. Very lovely. I remember as a resident when the Thriller album came out and we would goof around moonwalking the hospital hallways. Such fun! I can still do a pretty good Micheal Jackson dance moves.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: But what I find more interesting is the enduring hatred that long-term TMers seem to aim at him. Whatever they claim on the surface, the bottom line of it always has struck me as them being *jealous* of him for *making* money by parroting the same unoriginal, recycled spiritual dogma that they had to *pay* money to parrot. I am very suspicious of Chopra, always finding a way to insert himself into a story. His writings after MMY died concerning his illnesses did not hold together into a coherent whole. His speculation that drugs caused Jackson's death (and that he warned him) is unseemly. Heck, he could have died as a result of his lupus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Call your Congress Critters for Public Option Health Care
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Today I contacted Dave Lobesack's office in D.C. and suggested that Dave make a statement of support on his website for the public option in the health care reform bill. I'll be watching. I am on the Central Committee for Dave's district 2. I campaigned for him and I know him personally. I called Dave's assistant on her cell phone today and asked if Dave agrees with the Public Option in principle and she said yes. snip Good work Raunch!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I like a lot of what Chopra says and writes. And then there's stuff he is just stupid about. What i object to about him is his Dauphin airs, a kinda arrogance about him. As I've said before, Chopra was after my time in the TMO. I've never read any of his books, do not expect ever to read any of his books, and have no real feel for him other than articles that have been quoted here or published on the Web. That said, there does seem to be something both attention-seeking *and* stupid about him. But what I find more interesting is the enduring hatred that long-term TMers seem to aim at him. Whatever they claim on the surface, the bottom line of it always has struck me as them being *jealous* of him for *making* money by parroting the same unoriginal, recycled spiritual dogma that they had to *pay* money to parrot. The average TM teacher or TM camp follower has spent thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars learning and then parroting knowledge that Maharishi himself (as far as I can tell) was doing nothing more than parroting from other sources. Chopra's main sin seems to be that he figured this out and decided to cut out the middle man and keep the parrot-money for himself. You are on to something here, which is true... He does seem to have the 'Midas Touch'... He's a doctor, and doctors are taken seriously in our culture... That's one thing that props him up, to the culture... He is a prolific writer, but never mentioned Maharishi, in any of his books, or dedicated any of his books, to whom he learnt, most, if not all of his stuff... So, many people are upset with him, not only because of his wild success, but because he 'sold out'...and didn't give credit, where some credit belongs... R.g.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Health Care Reform?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: One of my law partners asked me yesterday which of the Democrats' current initiatives is worse, the tax on carbon or the health care public option, otherwise known as socialized medicine. I replied unhesitatingly that socialized medicine is much worse. Carbon tax-and-trade can rather easily be repealed once people realize what a dumb idea it is. However, once our health care system has been destroyed and replaced with single payer socialized medicine, there is no going back... Read more: Thoughts on Health Care Reform Posted by John Hindraker Powerline, June 25, 2009 Single payer is not socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is when the government owns the health care facilities and employs the workers. Socialized means owning the means of production. In this country it is simply used as a scary word to cut off thought. http://tinyurl.com/lpk9ut
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
On Jun 27, 2009, at 3:01 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: But what I find more interesting is the enduring hatred that long-term TMers seem to aim at him. Whatever they claim on the surface, the bottom line of it always has struck me as them being *jealous* of him for *making* money by parroting the same unoriginal, recycled spiritual dogma that they had to *pay* money to parrot. I am very suspicious of Chopra, always finding a way to insert himself into a story. His writings after MMY died concerning his illnesses did not hold together into a coherent whole. His speculation that drugs caused Jackson's death (and that he warned him) is unseemly. Heck, he could have died as a result of his lupus. He had lupus? Is there anything he *didn't* have? It may be unseemly, but it's also human. He was the most public of public figures, and his sudden death (supposedly, but not really depending on who you believe) is bound to cause huge speculation. Why shouldn't Chopra join in too? As long as no confidentiality was breached and it doesn't appear there was. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has wors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip If you had just TRAVELED, and seen for yourselves what sane countries do about taking care of their citizens, you would never have allowed this state of affairs to happen. But you didn't. You sat back on your fat asses and believed the America has the best standard of living in the world meme and allowed the for-profit doctors and the for-profit hospitals and the for-BIG- profit HMOs and the for-INSANE-profit insurance companies to tell you what health care really costs. Actually, there's a much simpler (and much less expensive) way Americans could have become informed about the cost of their health care relative to what people pay in other countries: the media could have told us. The fact of how much more we pay *should* have been in the first paragraph of every story in the mainstream media about health care reform. But it's almost never mentioned. Total health expenditures per capita, 2003 United States $5711 Australia $2886 Austria $2958 Belgium $3044 Canada $2998 Denmark $2743 Finland $2104 France $3048 Germany $2983 Iceland $3159 Ireland $2466 Italy $2314 Japan $2249 Luxembourg $4611 Netherlands $2909 Norway $3769 Sweden $2745 Switzerland $3847 United Kingdom $2317 http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm010307oth.cfm They've been LYING to you. And you've been LETTING them. The blame lies IMO in the laps of those who didn't do their homework and find out what drugs and health care and health services *really* cost, and wonder more loudly why they were paying 5-to-100 times that much for *their* health care. Actually only about twice as much, on average. But that's bad enough. The Media, reflects the collective consciousness of the population. Secondly, the Media is owned by the same people, who are invested in keeping the greedy status quo, on place... So, depending on the Media, is stupid, in and of itself... What about the educational system...? Well, that is also part and parcel of the same system... We need a complete overhaul of the collective consciousness of the entire American Experiment, that has gone, 'off the rails'... r.g.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 27, 2009, at 3:01 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: I am very suspicious of Chopra, always finding a way to insert himself into a story. His writings after MMY died concerning his illnesses did not hold together into a coherent whole. His speculation that drugs caused Jackson's death (and that he warned him) is unseemly. Heck, he could have died as a result of his lupus. He had lupus? Don't any of you guys ever watch House, M.D.? It's not lupus. http://www.videosift.com/video/Its-NEVER-lupus-House-MD It's NEVER lupus! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I like a lot of what Chopra says and writes. And then there's stuff he is just stupid about. What i object to about him is his Dauphin airs, a kinda arrogance about him. As I've said before, Chopra was after my time in the TMO. I've never read any of his books, do not expect ever to read any of his books, and have no real feel for him other than articles that have been quoted here or published on the Web. That said, there does seem to be something both attention-seeking *and* stupid about him. But what I find more interesting is the enduring hatred that long-term TMers seem to aim at him. Whatever they claim on the surface, the bottom line of it always has struck me as them being *jealous* of him for *making* money by parroting the same unoriginal, recycled spiritual dogma that they had to *pay* money to parrot. The average TM teacher or TM camp follower has spent thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars learning and then parroting knowledge that Maharishi himself (as far as I can tell) was doing nothing more than parroting from other sources. Chopra's main sin seems to be that he figured this out and decided to cut out the middle man and keep the parrot-money for himself. You are on to something here, which is true... He does seem to have the 'Midas Touch'... He's a doctor, and doctors are taken seriously in our culture... That's one thing that props him up, to the culture... He is a prolific writer, but never mentioned Maharishi, in any of his books, or dedicated any of his books, to whom he learnt, most, if not all of his stuff... So, many people are upset with him, not only because of his wild success, but because he 'sold out'...and didn't give credit, where some credit belongs... R.g. Actually, he did. In his first writing immediately after Maharishi's death, he said that everything he learned he learned from Maharishi.
[FairfieldLife] New Crop Circle: South Field, Nr Alton Priors, Wiltshire. Reported 27th June.
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[FairfieldLife] Beyond the Fringe
As we all know, only extreme left-wing (or is it extreme right-wing?) fanatical Hillary dead-enders can find anything to criticize about Obama. You won't *believe* the insane fantasies of the two pathetic losers in these videos. Rachel and Jon have trouble believing what they're hearing too: Rachel Maddow, The Rachel Maddow Show, 5/21/09, Tale of Two Speeches, on preventive detention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jshogbjtYs Jon Stewart, The Daily Show, 6/25/2009, Cheney Predacted, on secrecy: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=231571title=cheney-predacted
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Can't Fix Stupid (Was: Britain has best Health system - America has wors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: We need a complete overhaul of the collective consciousness of the entire American Experiment, that has gone, 'off the rails'... r.g. Certainly you are correct; Maharishi took care of this already in 1975 when He declared the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment. Nothing has gone off the rails. What is happening now is very, very well planned. All is well, all manner of things are well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1020 pundits in VC by end of July
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: Did you get the 6000 in the Brahmastan from Bob Wynne or from where? I have never heard of this as anything more than a goal, most recent numbers I have heard are far less than that. ** Replays on demand are available for every day of Global Family Chat (except for Sunday, when they do Nader's book), so you can hear Wynne say in the 25Jun GFC what the numbers are at the Brahmastan and elsewhere (as I recall, Wynne said the pundits are about 6K, a figure which includes the Brahmastan and other locations, but the majority are at the B-stan). http://212.178.154.22/gfc-archive.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: In today's Global Family Chat, Bob Wynne, in India, announced he is bringing in an additional 200 pundits to Vedic City, for a total of 1020. There are 100,000 pundits-in-training at 1800 sites in India, as well as about 6K pundits at the Brahmastan and other locations. http://www.maharishichannel.in/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
(snip) Actually, he did. In his first writing immediately after Maharishi's death, he said that everything he learned he learned from Maharishi. This was a good thing, that he did that, but why wait so long... In every interview I saw with him, before that, he avoided mentioning Maharishi, and in his books, he did the same... The guilt must have gotten to him, finally. R.g.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: (snip) Actually, he did. In his first writing immediately after Maharishi's death, he said that everything he learned he learned from Maharishi. This was a good thing, that he did that, but why wait so long...In every interview I saw with him, before that, he avoided mentioning Maharishi, and in his books, he did the same... The guilt must have gotten to him, finally. He *also* gave MMY credit in the first printing of his first book to come out after he'd left the movement. By the second printing (or second edition), it was gone. I think it's *very* likely the movement asked him not to mention MMY. Since he was no longer with the movement, it's understandable that they wouldn't want whatever he was going to teach to be attributed to MMY, in case Chopra decided to add his own improvements.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond the Fringe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: As we all know, only extreme left-wing (or is it extreme right-wing?) fanatical Hillary dead-enders can find anything to criticize about Obama. You won't *believe* the insane fantasies of the two pathetic losers in these videos. Rachel and Jon have trouble believing what they're hearing too: Rachel Maddow, The Rachel Maddow Show, 5/21/09, Tale of Two Speeches, on preventive detention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jshogbjtYs Jon Stewart, The Daily Show, 6/25/2009, Cheney Predacted, on secrecy: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=231571title=cheney-predacted I agree, that Jon and Rachel, are about the best, on TV, right now... But, there is so much behind the scenes, going on...it's hard to know the truth... A few days ago, someone on 'Air America' was saying, that it was common knowledge, in the intelligence community, that bin Laden was still connected with the CIA, (that originally funded and trained him, and his operation, against the Soviets)...in the late 1980's... She said, he was working with the CIA, up until 9/11/01... r.g.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Hidden track ....
Excellent point shukraclassic case of projection Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2009, at 2:12 PM, shukra69 shukr...@yahoo.ca wrote: nice discussion for those who like take pure speculation, repeat it until they believe it to have some truth and then discuss about it as if it means anything, there is lots of that here. Just because you imagine how others think and feel, or you mistake your idea of how you want or think they should be thinking and feeling with reality doesn't make it anymore than a projection of your own mental state. And there is some strangely mistaken idea about D.L. and D.L.F, J.H. is the HEAD and D.L. is just the public face, D.L. is more of a doctriinaire movement person than Maharishi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: joerg dao [mailto:joerg...@...] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 5:02 AM To: r...@... Subject: Hidden track Hi Rick, this could be some nice discussion on the FFL. If you like. 2 days after the tragic death of Michael Jackson, where all media nearly reported identical, I looked into our main business paper, to see, what they would have to say. They had an article more in the back part of the whole thing, but concentrated already on the subject of money. Who will get what bite of the rights and legacy of MJ. I liked this approach, purely business, after 2 days already. And was reminded of my last visit in Vlodrop, in 2005. I was invitet into the Raja tent, and saw all Rajas sitting in front, waiting for the King, and the maharishi over audio saying his inspirations. But when I looked into the faces of the bored and often angry looking Rajas, I felt, that very soon, gravity would tear this group apart. By gravity, I would mean the power of money, and who would get which parts of the kingdom of the mmy. Now more than 14 months after the maharishi, all still seems nearly silent. If there are power struggles, the rajas really know to keep them to themselves. David Lynch achieved some quiet new breakout of the rajadom by putting marketing wisdom before rajaism. There was no connection betw. Hagelin and his official being the raja on the website of DLF.tv, and only one very small picture of the maharishi. But to look into this group, would be good if we would know, who is holding which part, and what - for instance: who has the rights to the maharishi videos - parts are in which hands. Any oficial group would come out with such statements and inform the public, how to go on in future. So we still will see more to unfold. Either openly, or on the hidden track. cheers joerg. . More than http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ messages To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Hidden track ....
(snip) 2 days after the tragic death of Michael Jackson, where all media nearly reported identical, I looked into our main business paper, to see, what they would have to say. They had an article more in the back part of the whole thing, but concentrated already on the subject of money. Who will get what bite of the rights and legacy of MJ. (snip) To compare Maharishi and MJ., is kinda ridiculous... MJ., was obviously not keeping very good track of his money... Also, it seems obvious, that most of the movement money, is going to support the Vedic Pundits, in India, and the US, and wherever else they happen to be. Maharishi seemed to like the idea of a 'concentrating coherence' With large groups...so, that is still the concept, they are following. r.g.
[FairfieldLife] 'Intending to dispell fear, through Intention'
Partnering with God Intent and Co-Creation INTENT is extremely powerful these days, and perhaps we ought to stop a moment and look carefully at what we are doing in our everyday lives to use it. Those who understand the new concept of Partnering with God understand that INTENT, plus partnering with the Higher Self, can co-create personal miracles, basically creating our own reality within the scope of walking through life. In addition, it seems that it helps those around us as well. INTENT can also give us total discernment over what is true and untrue, creating peace over fear, and dispelling bogus fear-based information. To accept and believe all that is being fed to you by the fear-based messengers is to totally give away your new power. Is that what you had in mind for your life? The following Spirit channel is going to give you some informa- tion regarding this co-creation gift, and some of its attributes, but I want to also discuss the literalness of it as well. Humans are powerful. As discussed in the past, the 11:11 time- window a few years ago gave our human DNA permission to accept new power and changes. This was the beginning of the power we now are receiving regarding INTENT. Our intent is absolutely awesome in its effect on our lives, and we should be aware of what this means--not only when we use it when partnering with our Higher Selves--but also for those using it unwittingly without partnering. Here is an example of what I mean. Let's say you are faced with an upcoming challenge. There is the potential of losing your home, job, business, or some other major issue that seemingly is totally out of your control. These situations, by the way, are exactly the ones that Spirit invites us to change, through partnering and co- creative intent. It's the co, however, that is critical. Instead of turning to our new gifts of Spirit, some people go right into fear reactions at challenges such as this. They verbalize out loud, I'm so afraid! Nothing ever goes right for me! This will be still another horrible thing in my life! Bingo! Their biology, the planet, and all the elements around them hear their powerful request through human INTENT. Let's see now, the INTENT was that it should not go right, and that still another horrible thing will happen. That's the intent as verbalized, and the physical universe (not the spiritual Higher Self part) will do everything to allow for the completion of that powerful human's intent. Are you saying that we can verbalize our own demise? Absolutely! Your power is that great. Be careful what you say. Be careful what your intent is for yourself! The next time you have a major challenge--one that makes your palms sweat with fear--try this: (1) Immediately look at why it might be happening from a metaphysical point of view. What is the lesson? Why now? What does it mean metaphorically (there is almost always an obvious answer). (2) Meditate and co-create PEACE over the fear. Do this first. Don't start working the problem yet, or trying to create the solution. Get peaceful first! This gift of peace is yours for the asking and can be created! (3) Wait at least three days before you do anything about the actual problem. (4) Take responsibility for it. Understand that sometime when you had the mind of God, you helped plan this test. Your Higher Self wanted this experience, and now here it is on schedule. With the planning of the test, you also (from the depth of your interdimen- sional wisdom) created the solution! (5) Finally, face off with your divine partner, and start co-creating the solution you designed. When you do, don't tell your partner--Higher Self--how to solve it. Instead, visualize it being solved and gone, with a win-win solution for all parties. Right before we gave this information to the printer, Spirit started channeling about the golden platter. He has given us yet another visualization regarding our problems on the Earth in,The Parable of the Missing Bridge. This parable is the story of Henry speeding toward a chasm where a bridge was removed. He is told to keep going, but is very fearful since the bridge is gone. Just as he is about to soar into space where the old bridge used to be, he is instead waved onto a new road where a brand-new bridge has been constructed out of sight of the old road Henry used day after day. Henry had never realized the new bridge was under construction, and is amazed by its beauty and size as he speeds over it. His problem is instantly over! He also realizes something else--construction on the new bridge was started long before the old one was removed, and long before he had started co-creating a solution for his own problem. Think about it. Spirit tells us that there is a golden platter held by the golden angel that has all the solutions of every problem and test you will ever encounter on the planet! Just as when you were in school, the answers to every
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1020 pundits in VC by end of July
What a way to build character, avoid responsiblity for others, what a benefit for the world --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I'm sure they can't wait to come to the Vedic City and be isolated from humanity, that's what I call good times Most people would agree with you. But for the Vaishnavas, being a renunciate or a sanyassin is considered the ideal way of life. They argue that the life of a householder is weighed down by the responsibility of being a father and the attraction for the sexual life. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: In today's Global Family Chat, Bob Wynne, in India, announced he is bringing in an additional 200 pundits to Vedic City, for a total of 1020. There are 100,000 pundits-in-training at 1800 sites in India, as well as about 6K pundits at the Brahmastan and other locations. http://www.maharishichannel.in/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I like a lot of what Chopra says and writes. And then there's stuff he is just stupid about. What i object to about him is his Dauphin airs, a kinda arrogance about him. As I've said before, Chopra was after my time in the TMO. I've never read any of his books, do not expect ever to read any of his books, and have no real feel for him other than articles that have been quoted here or published on the Web. That said, there does seem to be something both attention-seeking *and* stupid about him. But what I find more interesting is the enduring hatred that long-term TMers seem to aim at him. Whatever they claim on the surface, the bottom line of it always has struck me as them being *jealous* of him for *making* money by parroting the same unoriginal, recycled spiritual dogma that they had to *pay* money to parrot. The average TM teacher or TM camp follower has spent thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars learning and then parroting knowledge that Maharishi himself (as far as I can tell) was doing nothing more than parroting from other sources. Chopra's main sin seems to be that he figured this out and decided to cut out the middle man and keep the parrot-money for himself. You are on to something here, which is true... He does seem to have the 'Midas Touch'... He's a doctor, and doctors are taken seriously in our culture... That's one thing that props him up, to the culture... He is a prolific writer, but never mentioned Maharishi, in any of his books, or dedicated any of his books, to whom he learnt, most, if not all of his stuff... So, many people are upset with him, not only because of his wild success, but because he 'sold out'...and didn't give credit, where some credit belongs... R.g. Deepak Chorpa's first successful book, Return of the Rishi was intended as a dedicated to Maharishi, since I had the idea for the name of the book, Iknow that to be true, although I don't think Deepak Chorpa realizes that though.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
On Jun 27, 2009, at 4:01 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: But what I find more interesting is the enduring hatred that long-term TMers seem to aim at him. Whatever they claim on the surface, the bottom line of it always has struck me as them being *jealous* of him for *making* money by parroting the same unoriginal, recycled spiritual dogma that they had to *pay* money to parrot. I am very suspicious of Chopra, always finding a way to insert himself into a story. His writings after MMY died concerning his illnesses did not hold together into a coherent whole. It is odd has he's always there, ready to step up to the mike. I suspect where his seeming contradictions with MMY come about is a combination of fast, off the cuff writing to an issue with a large emotional charge and the need to not--as one of MMY's successors-- paint MMY as the scoundrel he was, lest he soil his own silk divan in the process. So he's also modifying the actual truth of MMY to both allow his own commercial succession and rework-the-guru-as-person in his own mind. The combination of an incongruent actor with someone he has to parse as a man of enlightened action, just falls apart.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
On Jun 27, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: I am very suspicious of Chopra, always finding a way to insert himself into a story. His writings after MMY died concerning his illnesses did not hold together into a coherent whole. His speculation that drugs caused Jackson's death (and that he warned him) is unseemly. Heck, he could have died as a result of his lupus. He had lupus? Is there anything he *didn't* have? It may be unseemly, but it's also human. He was the most public of public figures, and his sudden death (supposedly, but not really depending on who you believe) is bound to cause huge speculation. Why shouldn't Chopra join in too? As long as no confidentiality was breached and it doesn't appear there was. Granted, he's a pop guru, but as a physician there are certain ethical standards he should adhere to, esp. in regards to illness and confidentiality of a friend who probably approached Chopra for the occasional medical advice, even though he was not his personal physician or one of his specialists. When two media figures in a row die and each time Chopra's there blabbing what he knows, it doesn't bade well for his professional bearing. It starts to seem self-serving and sleazy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
On Jun 27, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Vaj wrote: He had lupus? Is there anything he *didn't* have? It may be unseemly, but it's also human. He was the most public of public figures, and his sudden death (supposedly, but not really depending on who you believe) is bound to cause huge speculation. Why shouldn't Chopra join in too? As long as no confidentiality was breached and it doesn't appear there was. Granted, he's a pop guru, but as a physician there are certain ethical standards he should adhere to, esp. in regards to illness and confidentiality of a friend who probably approached Chopra for the occasional medical advice, even though he was not his personal physician or one of his specialists. When two media figures in a row die and each time Chopra's there blabbing what he knows, it doesn't bade well for his professional bearing. It starts to seem self- serving and sleazy. In a row, Vaj? Two people die 16 months apart, and you can that in a row? Personally, I think MJ would have heartily approved and been amused by all the attention and speculation, and I think he probably is. His last great publicity stunt--going out with a bang. Sal
[FairfieldLife] 'Los Angeles Prepares for Jackson's Last Thriller'
By RUSSELL GOLDMAN, BILL WEIR and HUMA KHAN June 27, 2009 The personal physician who was at the side of Michael Jackson when the pop icon passed away has hired a Houston law firm to represent him and was scheduled to meet with the Los Angeles police department Saturday at 4 p.m. PST, sources tell ABC News. Cardiologist Dr. Conrad Robert Murray had tried to pump Jackson, according to the 911 call, but left the scene and did not sign a death certificate. Dr. Murray has hired a Texas criminal lawyer named Edward Chernoff, who was scheduled to meet with police investigators today. Murray is a 1989 graduate of Meharry Medical College in Nashville, who practices medicine in Nevada, California and Texas. Court records say Murray has more than $400,000 worth of legal judgments against him, including child support and default on a $71,000 education loan. Randy Phillips, the promoter of Jackson's 50-concert London comeback said Jackson himself insisted the company hire Dr. Murray to be his personal physician. Phillips talked about Jackson's health during a press conference when the opening concert was delayed. Jackson's Family Wants Answers From Doctor Not that I'm a doctor, Phillips said, but I would trade my body for his ... He's in fantastic shape. Meanwhile, Los Angeles fire and police officials have begun preparations for what they expect will be a massive turnout at the memorial service for Jackson, ABC News has learned. No date has been set yet for the event but authorities are expecting large crowds. The [superstar's] body, and mask, was released to his family after an initial autopsy was inconclusive, but the Jacksons Saturday had not yet disclosed the name of the mortuary where it's being kept or funeral plans. Moving fans were spotted outside Jackson's home that he was renting Saturday as The Associated Press reported that Janet Jackson arrived at her brother's Holmby Hills estate. Jackson, wearing dark glasses, drove up in a Bentley and went directly to the estate. About eight movers had taken dollies and packing equipment through the gates. Most of Michael Jackson's family members had gathered in their Encino compound, where they are pissed and saddened. In this file photo taken during May, 2009, Michael Jackson is shown at a rehersal for his stage show with choreographer Kenny Ortega.(Courtesy AEG Worldwide) More Photos Contemplating funeral arrangements and caring for his three children. A person close to the dysfunctional family told The Associated Press that they are feeling confused, upset and angry by the lack of information about those who were around the pop superstar in his final days. Investigators believe an addiction to painkiller drugs could be to blame for the superstar's death. Jackson is believed to have died from cardiac arrest and law enforcement sources told ABC News Jackson was heavily addicted to Oxycontin and received it and Demerol in daily doses. Deepak Chopra, a psuedo spiritual author, and 'wanna be Holywood movie star'... The former disciple of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, And Michael's friend, told Good Morning America the famed singer asked him for the prescription drug Oxycontin after his trial in 2005, saying that he was in pain. That's when I became suspicious that something was going on, that he was dependent, Chopra said, adding that Jackson tried to avoid talking about the subject with him. Michael was addicted, but he had enabling doctors who perpetuated his addiction and actually started it. Rev. Jesse Jackson, (I'd like to cut his balls, off), Spent Friday with the Jacksons, spoke to ABC News about their concerns about Dr. Murray and his role in Michael's final hours. Rev. Jackson confirmed that the family is suspicious, and so is he, not surprisingly. The doctor's bizzarre behavior in their son's final moments didn't sit right with the Jacksons, according to Rev. Jackson. When did the doctor come? What did he do? Did he inject him? If so, with what? Rev. Jackson asked. Was he on the scene twice? Before and then reaction to? Did he use the Demerol? It's a very powerful drug. Was he injected once? Was he injected twice? The 911 audio tapes released Friday confirmed that a doctor was present in the room. In the urgent, but unemotional phone call, an blank man described Jackson as lying on a bed unresponsive while a doctor kept pumping him. I have a personal doctor here, but he's not responding to anything, CPR, or anything, the caller said, referring to Jackson only as a gentleman here that needs help and he's not breathing yet. ABC News has learned that Los Angeles Police were told Jackson received an injection of the painkiller Demerol(an alternative name for 'Sister Morphine) an hour before the 911 call was placed. Rev. Jackson also said the family is considering and will probably order a second independent autopsy. Los Angeles Police Deputy Chief Charlie Beck said Friday
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
(snip) Personally, I think MJ would have heartily approved and been amused by all the attention and speculation, and I think he probably is. His last great publicity stunt--going out with a bang. Sal Perhaps, he planed it that way, Sal... He might have looked up at doc, and said, 'Doc, I've had enough, I can't do this concert, That they want me to do...I'm just so tired doc... Ok, Michael, are you sure? Yep, sure... Ok Michael, now this way, you won't feel a thing... Doc, I don't feel a thing now, That's why I want to go... It's all too much...it's just gone all too far. I Understand Michael...I'm feeling that way myself. r.g.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield Life: Line on water or line on stone ?
I believe the progression is: line on stone, line on sand, line on water, line on air. So, obviously the TBs on this forum have not been doing their TM correctly. If they had, they would have attained line on air status within 5-8 years, the time it takes to reach CC. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Sat, 6/27/09, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield Life: Line on water or line on stone ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 3:29 AM One of the things I've been noticing most about this forum lately -- and yes, it does have some- thing to do with my tendency to post provocative or button-pushing items -- is what this forum reveals about the benefits or non-benefits of the long-term practice of meditation techniques. The *theory* of such practices, if one remembers Maharishi's metaphor for it, is that meditation *should* help a person to become more flexible, less rigid, less affected by stimuli to the point of becoming reactive to them or dwelling on them. The metaphor in question was the long-lasting nature of a line scratched in stone, and how long that endures vs. the ephemeral quality of a line drawn in water, and how quickly it goes away. If his theory was correct, then this forum, com- posed as it is of 30-to-40-year practitioners of meditation and other spiritual techniques, should reflect more of the line on water mentality than it does the line on stone mentality. But does it? Step out of the moment and the in-the-moment flow of posts and the emotion you invest them with before you press Send and LOOK at the TRENDS that are evident on this forum. **DO** most of the regular posters here -- especially those who align themselves with TM and Maharishi and his beliefs -- actually react to the things said here with flexi- bility, as if the things said affected them as little as a line drawn on water, or **DO** they react with rigidity, as if the things said affect them *far* more strongly and permanently, more like a line drawn on stone? I think it's the latter. Just look at the *reactive* nature of the majority of posts on FFL. Someone says something and four or five people *react* to simple words as if someone had slapped them physically in the face. Someone posts something that disagrees with one of their mere *beliefs* ferchrissakes and they go nuts. And *then* look at how long they STAY nuts. THAT is the thing that amazes me most about FFL. There are people here who have been acting out over the same grudges for *years*, and show no signs of ever letting them go. Conversely, there are very few examples of posters making radical *changes* in their posting style, their beliefs, and/or their lives. I can think of only a few who have made visible and radical shifts over the years. Many others cling to the same old same old as if remaining as consistent as a line drawn in stone were a Good Thing. *Theoretically*, spiritual development is about being able to become more fluid, more flexible, more able to roll with the punches and react in less predic- table and destructive ways to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. But -- given Fairfield Life as an indicator -- does that theory seem to have *worked out* for most of the spiritual people here? And if not, will those whose posting lives make them candidates for line on stone poster boy or poster girl of the year react defensively to *this* post and turn it into yet another pile-on grudge-fest, and then do their best to keep the pile-on fest going as long as humanly possible, or will they allow this post to just be a line drawn on the water of their consciousness and move on to the next post? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 27, 2009, at 4:01 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But what I find more interesting is the enduring hatred that long-term TMers seem to aim at him. Whatever they claim on the surface, the bottom line of it always has struck me as them being *jealous* of him for *making* money by parroting the same unoriginal, recycled spiritual dogma that they had to *pay* money to parrot. I am very suspicious of Chopra, always finding a way to insert himself into a story. His writings after MMY died concerning his illnesses did not hold together into a coherent whole. It is odd has he's always there, ready to step up to the mike. I suspect where his seeming contradictions with MMY come about is a combination of fast, off the cuff writing to an issue with a large emotional charge and the need to not--as one of MMY's successors-- paint MMY as the scoundrel he was, lest he soil his own silk divan in the process. So he's also modifying the actual truth of MMY to both allow his own commercial succession and rework-the-guru-as-person in his own mind. The combination of an incongruent actor with someone he has to parse as a man of enlightened action, just falls apart. May I ask, what Maharishi, ever did to yourself, Vaj... That you would puch peoples buttons, to call Maharishi a scoundrel... This not only makes you look foolish, but also, identifies you with being a scoundrel... Now, as far as Deepak being a scoudrel, I would agree with that... As far as Depaak loving power and the power of money, I would agree with that... I don't believe that Maharishi can be put in any catagory, that would have anything to do with being a scoudrel... That is just over the line, and is a pure lie. r.g.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield Life: Line on water or line on stone ?
I would think that line on air might be asking a bit much but line on water not. ffl...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe the progression is: line on stone, line on sand, line on water, line on air. So, obviously the TBs on this forum have not been doing their TM correctly. If they had, they would have attained line on air status within 5-8 years, the time it takes to reach CC. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life: Line on water or line on stone ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I would think that line on air might be asking a bit much but line on water not. (snip) Line on sand, is where most are...in our world. Line on water, is where Eckart Tolle, Krishna Smirti and others... What you to be? Where are you to 'find yourself?' ...and that is to 'Be Present'...Just like C.C. (or... 'Just Like Starting Over', by John Lennon) Line on air, is where you transcend to begin to experience the bliss of understanding of how the universe functions, at it's finest level... A line on Akasha melasha, is where you transcend your limited egoistic sense of yourself, and being in this body, for this one lifetime... It is where, you begin to cognize, for yourself, all the past life experiences, you begin to remember, and so expand your awareness of Self, to the infinite...this gives rise to what is referred to as the: 5th Dimensional awareness, where you begin to recognize, spontaneously and at will, the particular past life memory, that relates to what is happening in the present, and how it relates to the present form, Karmic-ally... And how to disperse any karma from the past by Loving it to Death! Does that answer your question, sufficiently, Grasshopper?... -'Roberto'... 'Guru of the Universe'-~-
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vegetraian diet is superior ---- was: I bet Turq never killed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: off_world_beings wrote: From Runner's and Triathlete's Web News Runner's and Triathlete's Web News : by By Owen Anderson, Ph. D. Many meat-eating athletes wonder whether a switch to a vegetarian diet might provide a performance boost, and there are logical reasons for such thinking. First, vegetarian diets tend to be high-carbohydrate regimens, which should lead to optimal glycogen storage in muscles. At the lofty intensities required for high-level training and serious competition, carbohydrate is the primary source of energy; when muscle-carbohydrate (glycogen) levels are too low, athletes experience fatigue and tend to perform poorly (1). Thus, a vegetarian diet may function as an insurance policy against insipid intramuscular carbohydrate storage and underachievement in races. Turns them into vata types. . Bullshit. Meat eating turns THEM into KAPHA types. Its only BECAUSE the meat eaters are so slow and BOVINE ... that they cannot keep up and they think everyone else is VATA, when in actaul fact , everyone else is normal. The meat eaters are DUMB meat heads. Granted some bovine milk may be good for SOME of the vegetarians -- but meat is for meatheads. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Chopra into the think of things --- is this the beginning of the game?
Michael Jackson's family wants 2nd autopsy: Michael Jackson's family wants a private autopsy of the pop icon because of unanswered questions about how he died and the doctor who was with him, the civil rights leader Rev. Jesse Jackson said Saturday.It's abnormal, he told The Associated Press from Chicago a day after visiting the Jackson family. We don't know what happened. Was he injected and with what? All reasonable doubt should be addressed. snip Also Saturday, spiritual teacher Dr. Deepak Chopra said he had been concerned since 2005 that Jackson was abusing prescription painkillers and most recently spoke to the pop star about suspected drug use six months ago. Chopra said Jackson, a longtime friend, asked him for painkillers in 2005 when the singer was staying with him following his trial on sex abuse allegations. Chopra said he refused. He also said the nanny of Jackson's children repeatedly contacted him with concerns about Jackson's drug use over the next four years. He said she told him a number of doctors would visit Jackson's homes in Santa Barbara County, Los Angeles, Miami and New York. Whenever the subject came up, Jackson would avoid his calls, Chopra said. Associated Press - http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jackson/news/jesse-jackson-family-wan\ ts-2nd-autopsy--61990644 http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jackson/news/jesse-jackson-family-wa\ nts-2nd-autopsy--61990644 ...I'm just sayin' OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra into the think of things --- is this the beginning of the game?
is this the beginning of the game? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Michael Jackson's family wants 2nd autopsy: Michael Jackson's family wants a private autopsy of the pop icon because of unanswered questions about how he died and the doctor who was with him, the civil rights leader Rev. Jesse Jackson said Saturday.It's abnormal, he told The Associated Press from Chicago a day after visiting the Jackson family. We don't know what happened. Was he injected and with what? All reasonable doubt should be addressed. snip Also Saturday, spiritual teacher Dr. Deepak Chopra said he had been concerned since 2005 that Jackson was abusing prescription painkillers and most recently spoke to the pop star about suspected drug use six months ago. Chopra said Jackson, a longtime friend, asked him for painkillers in 2005 when the singer was staying with him following his trial on sex abuse allegations. Chopra said he refused. He also said the nanny of Jackson's children repeatedly contacted him with concerns about Jackson's drug use over the next four years. He said she told him a number of doctors would visit Jackson's homes in Santa Barbara County, Los Angeles, Miami and New York. Whenever the subject came up, Jackson would avoid his calls, Chopra said. Associated Press - http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jackson/news/jesse-jackson-family-wan\ ts-2nd-autopsy--61990644 http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jackson/news/jesse-jackson-family-wa\ nts-2nd-autopsy--61990644 ...I'm just sayin' OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vegetraian diet is superior ---- was: I bet Turq never killed
On Jun 27, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Bhairitu wrote: off_world_beings wrote: From Runner's and Triathlete's Web News Runner's and Triathlete's Web News : by By Owen Anderson, Ph. D. Many meat-eating athletes wonder whether a switch to a vegetarian diet might provide a performance boost, and there are logical reasons for such thinking. First, vegetarian diets tend to be high-carbohydrate regimens, which should lead to optimal glycogen storage in muscles. At the lofty intensities required for high-level training and serious competition, carbohydrate is the primary source of energy; when muscle-carbohydrate (glycogen) levels are too low, athletes experience fatigue and tend to perform poorly (1). Thus, a vegetarian diet may function as an insurance policy against insipid intramuscular carbohydrate storage and underachievement in races. Turns them into vata types. Ever notice that most successful runners ARE vata types? Light and thin as the air. Same true with the cherry bowl heads. But for some people to go on vegetarian diets can be a huge mistake. The diet for kapha types actually IS the low carb diet. But it may not work well if you have acquired kapha and are not really a kapha type. I lose weight on a low carb diet and get no work done. Some people with accumulated kapha may have crashed thyroid and/or adrenal glands. They just don't have umph to go exercise especially with an adrenal insufficiency. Vegetarianism isn't for everyone though about 80% of Americans could cut way back on their meat consumption which is almost 3 times daily. Oops, better watch out or the cattlemen's association will send out a hit man. Remember how they screamed about Oprah? It's interesting understanding the doshas and observing the reality of different people, how they behave and what styles of actions they will take. It's pretty clear that Off World is an example of a vata type, with some pitta mixed in--what we would today call an ectomorphic type. These types are quite common in new age groups: fanatical, often obsessed with imbalanced high-vata diets of one sort or another--and defending them as if their lives depended on it. You'll also find them jogging, biking and moving about with any number of other vata-type distractions around town. All the psycho-physiological types are interesting for how we get addicted to them, defend them and get stuck in them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vegetraian diet is superior ---- was: I bet Turq never killed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 27, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Bhairitu wrote: off_world_beings wrote: From Runner's and Triathlete's Web News Runner's and Triathlete's Web News : by By Owen Anderson, Ph. D. Many meat-eating athletes wonder whether a switch to a vegetarian diet might provide a performance boost, and there are logical reasons for such thinking. First, vegetarian diets tend to be high-carbohydrate regimens, which should lead to optimal glycogen storage in muscles. At the lofty intensities required for high-level training and serious competition, carbohydrate is the primary source of energy; when muscle-carbohydrate (glycogen) levels are too low, athletes experience fatigue and tend to perform poorly (1). Thus, a vegetarian diet may function as an insurance policy against insipid intramuscular carbohydrate storage and underachievement in races. Turns them into vata types. Ever notice that most successful runners ARE vata types? Light and thin as the air. Same true with the cherry bowl heads. But for some people to go on vegetarian diets can be a huge mistake. The diet for kapha types actually IS the low carb diet. But it may not work well if you have acquired kapha and are not really a kapha type. I lose weight on a low carb diet and get no work done. Some people with accumulated kapha may have crashed thyroid and/or adrenal glands. They just don't have umph to go exercise especially with an adrenal insufficiency. Vegetarianism isn't for everyone though about 80% of Americans could cut way back on their meat consumption which is almost 3 times daily. Oops, better watch out or the cattlemen's association will send out a hit man. Remember how they screamed about Oprah? It's interesting understanding the doshas and observing the reality of different people, how they behave and what styles of actions they will take. It's pretty clear that Off World is an example of a vata type... You'll also find them jogging, biking and moving about with any number of other vata-type distractions around town.. ROTFLMFFAO ! ! ! ...you mean.. god no ! ! ! . no pleasenot that ! you mean?...NORMAL PEOPLE ! ! !??? ! ! ! HELP ! ...normal people, quote: jogging, biking and moving about ! ! ! ... PLEASE STOP THEM... the HORRIBLE everyday people, doing what NORMAL HEALTHY PEOPLE DO ! ! ! Something should be done about this ... jogging, biking and moving about QUOTE of the MONTH from VAJ ! You'll also find them jogging, biking and moving about with any number of other vata-type distractions You'll also find them jogging, biking and moving about with any number of other vata-type distractions You'll also find them jogging, biking and moving about with any number of other vata-type distractions Vajyou are entirely mad. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
On Jun 27, 2009, at 8:28 PM, Robert wrote: It is odd has he's always there, ready to step up to the mike. I suspect where his seeming contradictions with MMY come about is a combination of fast, off the cuff writing to an issue with a large emotional charge and the need to not--as one of MMY's successors-- paint MMY as the scoundrel he was, lest he soil his own silk divan in the process. So he's also modifying the actual truth of MMY to both allow his own commercial succession and rework-the-guru-as-person in his own mind. The combination of an incongruent actor with someone he has to parse as a man of enlightened action, just falls apart. May I ask, what Maharishi, ever did to yourself, Vaj... That you would puch peoples buttons, to call Maharishi a scoundrel... This not only makes you look foolish, but also, identifies you with being a scoundrel... Now, as far as Deepak being a scoudrel, I would agree with that... As far as Depaak loving power and the power of money, I would agree with that... I don't believe that Maharishi can be put in any catagory, that would have anything to do with being a scoudrel... That is just over the line, and is a pure lie. Did you need a list? I'm sorry Rob, I think the reality is that Deepak's scoundrel-ness is just more transparent to you, esp. since he's more an American and appearing as a western-style person--but Mahesh McRishi, being more foreign to you and your admiring pre-disposition for him (along with your projections upon him as a rishi-in-dress), has merely blinded you to his folly(ies). This is common in regards to commercial gurus and Mahesh in particular. He did put on a great show! And of course it wasn't all bad, so that makes it extra confusing, esp. cross-culturally. Actually, historically speaking, Chopra would appear to be the greater sage if we relied on past actions and personal history.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 27, 2009, at 8:28 PM, Robert wrote: It is odd has he's always there, ready to step up to the mike. I suspect where his seeming contradictions with MMY come about is a combination of fast, off the cuff writing to an issue with a large emotional charge and the need to not--as one of MMY's successors-- paint MMY as the scoundrel he was, lest he soil his own silk divan in the process. So he's also modifying the actual truth of MMY to both allow his own commercial succession and rework-the-guru-as-person in his own mind. The combination of an incongruent actor with someone he has to parse as a man of enlightened action, just falls apart. May I ask, what Maharishi, ever did to yourself, Vaj... That you would puch peoples buttons, to call Maharishi a scoundrel... This not only makes you look foolish, but also, identifies you with being a scoundrel... Now, as far as Deepak being a scoudrel, I would agree with that... As far as Depaak loving power and the power of money, I would agree with that... I don't believe that Maharishi can be put in any catagory, that would have anything to do with being a scoudrel... That is just over the line, and is a pure lie. Did you need a list? I'm sorry Rob, I think the reality is that Deepak's scoundrel-ness is just more transparent to you, esp. since he's more an American and appearing as a western-style person-- but Mahesh McRishi... If he is that bad, then you wouldn't feel compelled to make up false and presumably derogatory names for him (although for the edification of an uneducted fuck like you Vaj... McRishi just means Rightful air/son of the Master.) Your facts would speak for themselves...but they don't do they Vaj? No-one ever had to call Hitler...McHitler, or to call Ghengis Khan Ghengis Despot Khan. If you have to make up names, then it is clear to everyone that you have no argument. You only have childish names. But Vaj, you are quite childish aren't you. In fact, Vaj, you are entirely mad. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
[http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/icon/check_em.gif] Having problems with message search? Fill out this form http://surveylink.yahoo.com/wix/p6290938.aspx to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system. http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2009/03/17/groups-search-update/ MessagesMessages Help http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html\ messages Message # Search:Advanced http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch_adv Start Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson Topic List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages/222900?xm=1m=pti\ dx=1 Prev Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/222650?var=1 | Next Topic Prev Message http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/223033 |Next Message http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/222998 Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post?postID=4ajQewBbr6cUjIT\ PxJs7J2nQD1zRWIFyB3IJnmD1FodvXjHWV6BTErENiku4H7gxg2bEJNeDpVzDAfGX92ecT67\ IOR20tvUM , Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 27, 2009, at 8:28 PM, Robert wrote: It is odd has he's always there, ready to step up to the mike. I suspect where his seeming contradictions with MMY come about is a combination of fast, off the cuff writing to an issue with a large emotional charge and the need to not--as one of MMY's successors-- paint MMY as the scoundrel he was, lest he soil his own silk divan in the process. So he's also modifying the actual truth of MMY to both allow his own commercial succession and rework-the-guru-as-person in his own mind. The combination of an incongruent actor with someone he has to parse as a man of enlightened action, just falls apart. May I ask, what Maharishi, ever did to yourself, Vaj... That you would puch peoples buttons, to call Maharishi a scoundrel... This not only makes you look foolish, but also, identifies you with being a scoundrel... Now, as far as Deepak being a scoudrel, I would agree with that... As far as Depaak loving power and the power of money, I would agree with that... I don't believe that Maharishi can be put in any catagory, that would have anything to do with being a scoudrel... That is just over the line, and is a pure lie. Did you need a list? I'm sorry Rob, I think the reality is that Deepak's scoundrel-ness is just more transparent to you, esp. since he's more an American and appearing as a western-style person-- but Mahesh McRishi... If he is that bad, then you wouldn't feel compelled to make up false and presumably derogatory names for him (although for the edification of an uneducted fuck like you Vaj... McRishi just means Rightful heir/son of the Master.) Your facts would speak for themselves...but they don't do they Vaj? No-one ever had to call Hitler...McHitler, or to call Ghengis Khan Ghengis Despot Khan. If you have to make up names, then it is clear to everyone that you have no argument. You only have childish names. But Vaj, you are quite childish aren't you. In fact, Vaj, you are entirely mad. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra's tribute to Michael Jackson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip Actually, historically speaking, Chopra would appear to be the greater sage if we relied on past actions and personal history. Oh, dear heaven. Up-is-downism incarnate.
[FairfieldLife] 'King Michael goes way of King Elvis'(Total Drug Burn-out)
Who would prescribe all these drugs in good faith? Could it be, Satan?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vegetraian diet is superior ---- was: I bet Turq never killed
off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: off_world_beings wrote: From Runner's and Triathlete's Web News Runner's and Triathlete's Web News : by By Owen Anderson, Ph. D. Many meat-eating athletes wonder whether a switch to a vegetarian diet might provide a performance boost, and there are logical reasons for such thinking. First, vegetarian diets tend to be high-carbohydrate regimens, which should lead to optimal glycogen storage in muscles. At the lofty intensities required for high-level training and serious competition, carbohydrate is the primary source of energy; when muscle-carbohydrate (glycogen) levels are too low, athletes experience fatigue and tend to perform poorly (1). Thus, a vegetarian diet may function as an insurance policy against insipid intramuscular carbohydrate storage and underachievement in races. Turns them into vata types. . Bullshit. Meat eating turns THEM into KAPHA types. Its only BECAUSE the meat eaters are so slow and BOVINE ... that they cannot keep up and they think everyone else is VATA, when in actaul fact , everyone else is normal. The meat eaters are DUMB meat heads. Granted some bovine milk may be good for SOME of the vegetarians -- but meat is for meatheads. OffWorld Depends on what kind of meat they are eating and what their constitution is. Carbs are calming. Meat is stimulating and does not make people slow and bovine unless it is wrong for their constitution. So you can see that kapha types need the meat and that can be eggs, fish and chicken. Vata types don't handle proteins well. Red meat though for some people can restore the adrenals faster. And pitta people don't handle fats well and red meats and fish will heat them up more. Ayurveda is about the effect of foods as well as the rest of the environment. Quite a useful tool if you get into it enough. I would recommend Dr. Robert Svoboda's Prakriti book because of the way he presents it. He also discusses the eight types: V,P,K, PK, VP, VK, VPK, and balanced.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vegetraian diet is superior ---- was: I bet Turq never killed
Vaj wrote: It's interesting understanding the doshas and observing the reality of different people, how they behave and what styles of actions they will take. It's pretty clear that Off World is an example of a vata type, with some pitta mixed in--what we would today call an ectomorphic type. These types are quite common in new age groups: fanatical, often obsessed with imbalanced high-vata diets of one sort or another--and defending them as if their lives depended on it. You'll also find them jogging, biking and moving about with any number of other vata-type distractions around town. Around here some of the bicyclists can be very strident. They behave like they are superior and above the rest of us. That's mainly the skinny minny ones (vata) who will growl at motorists. In SF they've been known to damage cars during end-of-the-month rides through town there. And around here there are some one way streets with clearly marked one way bike lanes that the idiots will go down the wrong way not even dawning on them that a car emerging from a side street won't be expecting anyone coming the wrong way on those paths. Whap! One fewer bike idiot to worry about.
