[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. The unified field has a will? Far out. Isn't it just a *trip* that so many people assume it does? Actually it gives me the creeps! I mean the UF - if it exists - is simply what the universe is before it gets all random and foamy and *long* before the chaos becomes visible as the whirly subatomic stuff we all know and love. As Hagelin describes the unified field, It is an ocean of Intelligence. As such, It is the Observer, the Process of Observing, and the Observed. This universe and any other universes which come out of the Unified Field cannot be random and chaotic since It is Intelligence. In particular, this universe is based on Natural Laws in which the subatomic particles and galaxies are subjected to. Ha! And he calls himself a physicist! As I've always said, he's a card-carrying, tub thumping, religious fruitcake. The whole *point* of 20th century physics is that we learnt that Newton was wrong about the universe being fundamentally predictable - it is fundamentally chaotic. All we can do is predict how likely the random effects are. And we can do that astoundingly well. Apart from dark energy and matter it's all done and dusted, until someone realises there is something else we can't explain and then we need more and bigger machines to probe ever further. And Hagelin thinks he's already explained it all! I'm telling you, the idea that there is an intelligence behind the universe is a religious concept not a scientific one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
Dryly: fer shure... Let's play pretend: Pretend that the AHA scientific statement brings about a slew of larger-scale studies designed the way this study was: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2693686 Where good faith attempts were made to compensate for the fact that it is virtually impossible to conduct a double- blind study on meditation by ensuring that all test subjects had the same expectations. Let us further pretend that these hypothetical studies show roughly the same thing: on stress/health issues, TM comes in first, mindfulness practices second and concentrative practices third. on mindfulness-related issues, mindfulness comes in first, TM second, and concentrative practices third. Let us finally pretend that a large enough number of these studies are done in such way that all the reviewers who thus far have insisted that there's not enough good research available to make any real determination about the effectiveness of meditative practices on anything at all, start to agree with the AHA statement and conclude that in certain circumstances, TM comes out consistently ahead -maybe they start to endorse mindfulness for certain things too, but not the same things that they say TM is good for. At THAT point, will you concede that TM IS in any way superior to any other meditations out there? L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I never used the word pyramid - TM has some beneficial effects and some negative effects one of which is a sort of addictive quality that Curtis commented on recently - for sure TM is not in any way superior to any other meditations out there. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace  Can you think of another product with no value, as you seem to suggest, that has been around for fifty years, simply because of the marketing geniuses behind it? I can't. Has to provide some value. As for it promising more than it delivers, again, if it were a pyramid scheme, as you suggest, it would not have the longevity that it does. Do you do TM? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Any time there is a new technology introduced, there are the naysayers who proclaim it too costly, too crazy, or just plain useless. Just as with electricity, the automobile, and the cell phone, TM is here to stay. But is it as popular as the cell phone, electricity and the automobile? Meaning; how many who see the advert say I gotta get me one of those? And what percentage keep using it after a few months? I know its kind of a tough pill to swallow, recognizing that the technique is not only robust, but continues to grow as well. Perhaps you want to work on your attachment to these ideas of TM being bad and wrong, while at the same time, recognizing its inevitable global growth. People are always after something to give them an edge, TM keeps getting recycled via the latest batch of celebrities and is easy to market because of its history. But how many keep doing it compared to all the other things they try? I suspect there is a huge market of seekers who do everything once and finally end up seeing the blandness of the whole self-improvement scene. There is precious little we can do to change ourselves and TM, apart from the very few self-proclaimed enlightened that walk among us, promises so much but delivers so little at the end of the day. You have to be honest to realise the last bit. It isn't what you expected and didn't do half what it claimed - if that. But if you promise people everything, who isn't going to want to try? *That* is the genius of TM marketing, the whole shpeil from the unified field towards perfect health. It's damn clever and that's why it's still around. I am not saying you have to like it, but you may as well recognize the reality of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: A beautifully written article about TM and the race to inner space. Funny how she gets so many of her facts wrong, isn't it? You'd almost think she'd learned TM from some independent who'd gone *way* off the range. Among other things, according to her, her teacher gave out the mantras at the end of the course, as a graduation ceremony, and he wore a robe during the
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Dryly: fer shure... Let's play pretend: Pretend that the AHA scientific statement brings about a slew of larger-scale studies designed the way this study was: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2693686 Where good faith attempts were made to compensate for the fact that it is virtually impossible to conduct a double- blind study on meditation by ensuring that all test subjects had the same expectations. Let us further pretend that these hypothetical studies show roughly the same thing: on stress/health issues, TM comes in first, mindfulness practices second and concentrative practices third. on mindfulness-related issues, mindfulness comes in first, TM second, and concentrative practices third. Let us finally pretend that a large enough number of these studies are done in such way that all the reviewers who thus far have insisted that there's not enough good research available to make any real determination about the effectiveness of meditative practices on anything at all, start to agree with the AHA statement and conclude that in certain circumstances, TM comes out consistently ahead -maybe they start to endorse mindfulness for certain things too, but not the same things that they say TM is good for. At THAT point, will you concede that TM IS in any way superior to any other meditations out there? Lawson, you can play pretend all you want, but I'm stuck back on the more fundamental issue that this WHOLE QUESTION is based on the ego and attachment of TMers who are *desperate* to somehow prove that what they were told over and over and over and over and over and over for decades is true. That is, that TM *is* superior, or the best. I honestly have never encountered another form of meditation or tradition that indoctrinates its practitioners to believe this and proselytize this, although in theory they might exist, if some other teacher or tradition is/was as ego-bound and petty as Maharishi. THE WHOLE QUESTION is meaningless, except to those (like yourself) who are trying to prove something having (IMO) to do with their *own* superiority in being practitioners of the best. So go off and play pretend on your own. Most of the rest of us DON'T CARE. YOU care. You care a LOT. Given your posting history here and on other forums, this need to prove TM's supposed superiority or bestness is a common and consistently annoying theme, and has been as long as I've known you. Just sayin'... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: I never used the word pyramid - TM has some beneficial effects and some negative effects one of which is a sort of addictive quality that Curtis commented on recently - for sure TM is not in any way superior to any other meditations out there. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace  Can you think of another product with no value, as you seem to suggest, that has been around for fifty years, simply because of the marketing geniuses behind it? I can't. Has to provide some value. As for it promising more than it delivers, again, if it were a pyramid scheme, as you suggest, it would not have the longevity that it does. Do you do TM? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Any time there is a new technology introduced, there are the naysayers who proclaim it too costly, too crazy, or just plain useless. Just as with electricity, the automobile, and the cell phone, TM is here to stay. But is it as popular as the cell phone, electricity and the automobile? Meaning; how many who see the advert say I gotta get me one of those? And what percentage keep using it after a few months? I know its kind of a tough pill to swallow, recognizing that the technique is not only robust, but continues to grow as well. Perhaps you want to work on your attachment to these ideas of TM being bad and wrong, while at the same time, recognizing its inevitable global growth. People are always after something to give them an edge, TM keeps getting recycled via the latest batch of celebrities and is easy to market because of its history. But how many keep doing it compared to all the other things they try? I suspect there is a huge market of seekers who do everything once and finally end up seeing the blandness of the whole self-improvement scene. There is precious little we can do to change ourselves and TM, apart from the very few self-proclaimed enlightened that walk among us, promises so
[FairfieldLife] Magical Journeys Quest for Meaning
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[FairfieldLife] Coherent Times Magazine
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult?
Good caution about just throwing words around. Now me, I ain't no cultist; but Yes, if there is a cult here by your terms it is around the really upper level of TM. However for most those of us around who are simply practitioners of the technique we more accurately are only part of a sect. Yes of course, for some of the practitioners they are part of and devotees of a New Religious movement, The David Lynchers Maharishi New Religion of Meditative Sciences. But anymore there are really very few real first generation devotee cultist types left in TM. Look to Vedic City mostly to find them and some cultist enclaves left like in Vlodrop and such places too. There's different elements to TM. But mostly larger TM is a sect and not a cult, technically. More accurately, the faith-based cult is around the upper echelon and has been worked that way since the late 70's and 1980's by that particular group. That is different from the sect of larger meditating Fairfield and the larger TM meditating community. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi martyboi@... wrote: Consensus reality is probably more accurate than the word Cult which actually means something like subculture. When you make statements like: everyone is crazy, or everyone is in a cult - you reduce the meaning of words Crazy or Cult to logical absurdities that renders them useless as terms that can be used in a rational discussion. When I ask myself questions like:Do I know anyone who is not a little crazy? or Do I know anyone who doesn't participate in a cult? The answer is always no - everyone I know seems a little crazy and everyone I know also identifies with some group or other. It's really just a matter of perspective isn't it? I mean to a west coast Bay Area person, such as myself - most people east and south of here are Obviously Insane ;-) Therefore as a practical matter, the words crazy and cult should be reserved for discussions about people and groups that have behaviors and ideas that are so variant with society at large that they are rendered dysfunctional in a major way. (i.e., can't sustain a relationship or a job.) Having preached that - I actually do think everyone is both crazy and in a cult...but you won't catch me sayin' it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Coherent Times Magazine
I like this one better - the Ultimate Arrogant Bullshit TM My-Nose-Is-Permanently-Aimed-Toward-The-Sky-Cause-I'm-So-Much-More-Refined-Than-You Indulgence. http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ And they even include more TM vacuous supercilious claims they never back up with facts: Normally cutlery is gold plated only for show. This process of gold plating is found to neutralize the “Ojas” enhancing effect. “Jivan Super Gold” is manufactured by a new, unique process to preserve and enhance “Ojas”. This unique process was developed by Jivan Super Products, together with Vedic health experts and is not commercially available. To enable the cutlery to be used on a practical daily basis, the hardness and strength of the gold has also been increased to the region of 18ct gold, whilst retaining the purity of 24ct gold. With this new technology we can now offer solid gold, or gold coated cutlery and eating utensils. From: merlin vedamer...@yahoo.de To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Coherent Times Magazine Coherent Times Magazine coherenttimes.wordpress.com/tag/tm-england/http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/tag/tm-england/ ...*... http://dev.invincibleeurope.eu/de/ ***_ .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
No no no no no! You must be wrong! After all, so many people here on FFL, when asked by me some time ago said that TM is superior BECAUSE of the special way it is taught, the special instructions. From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace You know, I never was told that my mantra was unique or special. In fact, my teacher explicitly said: there are a limited number of TM mantras, and they are chosen via a simple, mechanical selection process based on the answers you gave in your application form. MMY explicitly said to the press many decades ago that there is nothing special about TM teaching and mantras. There's no special relationship with the teacher -it's like a history professor recounting the progression of years in history -otherwise the process couldn't be called scientific. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=kRSvW9Ml9DQ#t=393s L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Just as the author may have skewed things a little to make her point, Judy skews things in her way to make the author seem malevolent. Anything rather than accept the fact that for most people, the author's piece strikes a resonance, and captures how insanely WEIRD TM and all the hoopla surrounding how it is taught are. Judy is so far from that exper- ience that she can't remember how WEIRD it all is; the author of this piece is not. Weird? TM teachers, in their conservative clothing, speaking quietly and clearly about a simple technique, attending class room-like introductory lectures, attending a beautiful and settling puja as initiation 'ritual'... ...bearing fruit, flowers and a clean white handkerchief, witnessing someone chanting in a foreign language to some Indian guy's painting on an altar, seeing rice, fire, and other things clearly *offered* to this guy, then finally being told to *kneel down* in front of this Indian guy to receive your oh-so-special-and-unique mantra (which is neither). You've clearly never taught TM. I have, and have had at least one deeply religious person (an Orthodox Jew) leave the room at that point and demand their money back. You spent *years* in an environment in which all of this was considered NORMAL, and everyday. It is not. The author of this piece is merely commenting on how abnormal and non-everyday it IS. BTW, don't try to run the pristine and unweird routine on someone who actually knows what the words of the puja actually SAY -- the number of Hindu gods named, the words that say I bow down to them after each offering, and who you're actually bowing TO at the end. You can try to pretend that this is not a traditional Hindu religious ceremony if you want, but don't expect those of us who actually read the translation of the puja and kept it lively in our minds as we were chanting it to agree with you if we're not still TBs, and thus still Up Denial Without A Paddle. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: I have run out of steam Steve. Unless you have something more - this is just once again confirmations of your patterns. Sure. No problem Ravi. You have revealed, in true engineer fashion below, your template for discussion here. I mean, it is nothing new. It is how you interact here, and most every other forum in which you have participated. It is not really conducive to any type of mutual relationship which is sort of evident in your case. It seems like the significant other in your life is Devi, and may I say, that is no surprise. She knows you and understands you, and is able to cater to your every need. We all should be so lucky. Carry on Master Ravi! There are truths to be proclaimed, and frauds to be revealed, and you are self proclaimed yogi to do it! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343429 Yes - I have a special ability, insight into judging people. Even electronic medium is no barrier. An intuition right from my childhood. It's untainted by any intellectual process - so powerful is my intuition and rarely does it go wrong. If I come after you, you bet your retarded ass it will stick, if not I will bend over backwards to apologize.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
MJ, And you're basing your statement based on whose authority? If it's you, why should we believe you? Do you have the suitable credentials to back up your statements? JR Well, I didn't intend to make comparisons, but since you have waved that flag, I shall endeavor to compare myself with your dream of Johnny Hagelin being the Gabriel of the New Golden Age of TM induced saviour-hood of the world. I am, by many parameters of greatness, genius and accomplishment, a nobody. I have never saved the world, I have never rescued any helpless infants from a burning building, I have never published learned papers in prestigious journals, I have not married well, nor stormed the bastions of financial institutions in such a way as to garner a fortune for myself. I have never learned to make a baked alaska, nor to further the research to end all of the dreaded diseases of humanity, I have not come up with a cure for the common cold, nor saved a drowning man by throwing him a life vest. But for all my lack of accomplishments, I can honestly say I am very happy I am not a lying, bullshitting pseudo-scientist who dedicates his life to promoting the lies of the most successful con artist of the 20th Century, Marshy Mahesh Liar. So yeah, people would be far better off listening to me instead of Bonnie Johnnie Hagelin. From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: As Hagelin describes the unified field, It is an ocean of Intelligence. As such, It is the Observer, the Process of Observing, and the Observed. This universe and any other universes which come out of the Unified Field cannot be random and chaotic since It is Intelligence. In particular, this universe is based on Natural Laws in which the subatomic particles and galaxies are subjected to. If Hagelin is the arbiter of reality, we really are all screwed. MJ, And you're basing your statement based on whose authority? If it's you, why should we believe you? Do you have the suitable credentials to back up your statements? JR From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. The unified field has a will? Far out. Isn't it just a *trip* that so many people assume it does? Actually it gives me the creeps! I mean the UF - if it exists - is simply what the universe is before it gets all random and foamy and *long* before the chaos becomes visible as the whirly subatomic stuff we all know and love. As Hagelin describes the unified field, It is an ocean of Intelligence. As such, It is the Observer, the Process of Observing, and the Observed. This universe and any other universes which come out of the Unified Field cannot be random and chaotic since It is Intelligence. In particular, this universe is based on Natural Laws in which the subatomic particles and galaxies are subjected to. Ascribing intentions to it is absurd but worshipping it is deeply weird. I always used to wonder what the unified field charts were trying to say, it was clear that they had an intention beyond simply informing the observer what the TMO thought was going on. But of course, if you buy the mystical idea of consciousness then the charts make sense, on their own terms. But until nature demonstrates that it's something other than blind chance, electromagnetism and entropy I'll be giving the charts a miss. You don't necessarily find this assumption in main- stream (read, not Fundamentalist and Supremicist) Hinduism, or much of Buddhism, or even avant-garde Christianity. The belief in God (or the unified field or whatever you want to call it) as having a Will and/or having a Plan for All Of This is not a given at all. Many think as I do that if such a thing as a fundamental, core level of existence as God or the Absolute or insert euphemism of your choice exists, it's just so NOT That Kinda Guy. It has been described by the great mystics and spir- itual leaders of the planet as devoid of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Hey Ravi, thanks for the question. I think Robin is a good writer. I think you are good writer. I mean it's remarkable what proficiency you have in a language that is not your mother tongue. But yes, I do perceive some Robin creep* in some of the expressions you use, but more importantly, in your overall philosophy. You know, this notion, this perceived ability to ferret out the truth of what a person may be unwilling to acknowledge. This ability to know if what they are saying is properly aligned with reality. * creep in verb sense, not adjective sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: What does this really mean Steve - clearly it's an honor to be compared to Robin, especially if it is in his writing style but then we will always be very different in our writing styles and I will never be emulate him in his writing. You are out of your mind to even suggest that. Robin's influence is in other areas, definitely an important one in my life. If there's any reason you think why I should be wary of him - please summarize so we can discuss it in a conventional way. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions. So I guess I'm a pretty guilty party. BTW, neat story about your current working assignment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
TM is taught in a systematic way over a period of several days. It is special in that it is taught systematically. The same video I used to justify claiming that TM is special because it is taught systematically over a period of several days is the same video where MMY points out that mantras have no specialness due to a relationship between teacher and student: they are chosen in a systematic way -nothing mystical about them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=kRSvW9Ml9DQ#t=393s L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: No no no no no! You must be wrong! After all, so many people here on FFL, when asked by me some time ago said that TM is superior BECAUSE of the special way it is taught, the special instructions. From: sparaig LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace  You know, I never was told that my mantra was unique or special. In fact, my teacher explicitly said: there are a limited number of TM mantras, and they are chosen via a simple, mechanical selection process based on the answers you gave in your application form. MMY explicitly said to the press many decades ago that there is nothing special about TM teaching and mantras. There's no special relationship with the teacher -it's like a history professor recounting the progression of years in history -otherwise the process couldn't be called scientific. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=kRSvW9Ml9DQ#t=393s L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Just as the author may have skewed things a little to make her point, Judy skews things in her way to make the author seem malevolent. Anything rather than accept the fact that for most people, the author's piece strikes a resonance, and captures how insanely WEIRD TM and all the hoopla surrounding how it is taught are. Judy is so far from that exper- ience that she can't remember how WEIRD it all is; the author of this piece is not. Weird? TM teachers, in their conservative clothing, speaking quietly and clearly about a simple technique, attending class room-like introductory lectures, attending a beautiful and settling puja as initiation 'ritual'... ...bearing fruit, flowers and a clean white handkerchief, witnessing someone chanting in a foreign language to some Indian guy's painting on an altar, seeing rice, fire, and other things clearly *offered* to this guy, then finally being told to *kneel down* in front of this Indian guy to receive your oh-so-special-and-unique mantra (which is neither). You've clearly never taught TM. I have, and have had at least one deeply religious person (an Orthodox Jew) leave the room at that point and demand their money back. You spent *years* in an environment in which all of this was considered NORMAL, and everyday. It is not. The author of this piece is merely commenting on how abnormal and non-everyday it IS. BTW, don't try to run the pristine and unweird routine on someone who actually knows what the words of the puja actually SAY -- the number of Hindu gods named, the words that say I bow down to them after each offering, and who you're actually bowing TO at the end. You can try to pretend that this is not a traditional Hindu religious ceremony if you want, but don't expect those of us who actually read the translation of the puja and kept it lively in our minds as we were chanting it to agree with you if we're not still TBs, and thus still Up Denial Without A Paddle. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coherent Times Magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I like this one better - the Ultimate Arrogant Bullshit TM My-Nose-Is-Permanently-Aimed-Toward-The-Sky-Cause-I'm-So-Much-More-Refined-Than-You Indulgence. http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ And they even include more TM vacuous supercilious claims they never back up with facts: A fool and his money are soon parted. All the correct buzzwords are there though; ancient wisdom, modern science, perfect health. Eating with the Pure Gold Spoon is said to enliven the 7 to 8 drops of Ojas in the heart. This increases happiness, improves digestion and has beneficial effects to the heart, brain and nervous system. Chuckle. Caveat emptor and all that... To enable the cutlery to be used on a practical daily basis, the hardness and strength of the gold has also been increased to the region of 18ct gold, whilst retaining the purity of 24ct gold. With this new technology we can now offer solid gold, or gold coated cutlery and eating utensils. So they dilute gold to 18 carat while preserving its purity? I'm intrigued, I suspected I know the person behind it and after a google, found out I do. He used to have a room in the same corridor from me at HQ and used to conduct his electroplating experiments at all hours, occasionally producing a spoon or amrit kalash pot. I was impressed that he taught himself the whole thing from scratch. But I hope he doesn't sell any as I hate to think of people getting ripped off. But OTOH if you really want a gold spoon who am I to complain? I'd hate to deny people: youthfulness, long life, freedom from disease, increased physical power, strength of all the sense organs, good concentration, detachment from problems, freedom from psychosomatic disturbances and the experience of bliss! Here's an advert from the Grauniad: http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2003/aug/31/alternativeinvestment.homesandgardens I say advert because the author of the piece is a TM teacher. It aint what you know, it's who you know.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BLT RESEARCH TEAM INC.
Well so far I have managed to keep food off my face, but you never know what might happen next. Stay tuned! (-: From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BLT RESEARCH TEAM INC. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Me too, noozguru. But as can be seen from my recent posts, I'm obsessing on food these days (-: Lived on the edge today by having a dessert, creme brulee and then scarfed some of my Mom's blondie too. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BLT RESEARCH TEAM INC.  And here I thought they were working on a way to make a better bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich! On 05/14/2013 02:10 PM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Cheers Nabby, there's some great stuff on there. UFO stones! Are the aliens turning our rocks into glass? Are they bending grass in funny ways? Seriously though, I hope something comes of it. I've always wanted there to be more to this world than meets the eye but whenever you get close to some weird phenomena it seems to disappear under scrutiny. Let's hope not this time... Printable Version BLT RESEARCH TEAM INC. [www.bltresearch.com] GREENSBORO, NORTH CAROLINA UFO Stone Analysis Unexplained Holes in Poland Correction to Delgado/Chorley Report PURPOSE: The BLT Research Team Inc.'s primary focus is crop circle research - the discovery, scientific documentation and evaluation of physical changes induced in plants, soils and other materials at crop circle sites by the energy (or energy system) responsible for creating them and to determine, if possible, from these data the specific nature and source of these energies. Secondly, our intent is to publish these research results in peer-reviewed scientific journals and to disseminate this information to the general public through lectures, mainstream articles and the internet. PERSONNEL: BLT Inc. is composed of several hundred trained field-sampling personnel in the U.S., Canada and Europe who collect plant and soil samples at crop circle sites for analyses by a number of scientists (see Professional Consultants ) in various disciplines. [BLT Research Team - Crop Circles and other phenomena]Fieldworkers in England with plant and soil samples which now must be hung up and dried before shipping. The hard work of these field teams and their careful adherence to field-sampling protocols has contributed enormously to the on-going discoveries in the laboratory and the large data-base of factual information which now exists. Nancy Talbott is President of BLT Research Team Inc. [BLT Research Team - Crop Circles and other phenomena]Taking measurements in a Canadian circle prior to plant/soil sampling. [BLT Research Team - Crop Circles and other phenomena]Samples dried, wrapped, labeled and ready for shipping. FUNDING: BLT Inc. was incorporated as a non-profit, tax-exempt U.S. corporation in 1999. All funding to-date has been from private-sector donations and gifts, which are tax-deductible. Significant advances in the scientific understanding of crop circle formation and related phenomena are heavily dependent upon such contributions -- all major financial gifts can be designated for specific research projects, if desired by the donor. Financial support in any amount is welcome. LECTURE/SLIDE SHOW: A 2-hour presentation is available which outlines the basic research and results obtained so far, highlighting individual crop circle case studies from a number of countries. Slides of recent crop circles in North America and Europe are included, as well as anecdotal reports of associated strange phenomena encountered by personnel working in the fields each summer. The lecture and slide-show can be shortened or expanded, as desired, and is an inspirational educational tool for use in schools and colleges, demonstrating both the value of the basic scientific method and the excitement of new discoveries -- in the context of an intriguing, and still unexplained, phenomenon. Contact Nancy Talbott to schedule. http://www.bltresearch.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
I agree. From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
Yes, I wondered about that too. It doesn't sound so familiar these days. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA John, are you aware that Red China is a cold war term that's virtually obsolete these days except among extreme right-wingers?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp update some months back. From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the Hate Brigade. (Does make others part of the Love Brigade?) Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with. Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult? I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coherent Times Magazine
Ahh, but TM and all its adjunct junk is here for the benefit for the great unwashed masses. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coherent Times Magazine --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I like this one better - the Ultimate Arrogant Bullshit TM My-Nose-Is-Permanently-Aimed-Toward-The-Sky-Cause-I'm-So-Much-More-Refined-Than-You Indulgence. http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ And they even include more TM vacuous supercilious claims they never back up with facts: A fool and his money are soon parted. All the correct buzzwords are there though; ancient wisdom, modern science, perfect health. Eating with the Pure Gold Spoon is said to enliven the 7 to 8 drops of Ojas in the heart. This increases happiness, improves digestion and has beneficial effects to the heart, brain and nervous system. Chuckle. Caveat emptor and all that... To enable the cutlery to be used on a practical daily basis, the hardness and strength of the gold has also been increased to the region of 18ct gold, whilst retaining the purity of 24ct gold. With this new technology we can now offer solid gold, or gold coated cutlery and eating utensils. So they dilute gold to 18 carat while preserving its purity? I'm intrigued, I suspected I know the person behind it and after a google, found out I do. He used to have a room in the same corridor from me at HQ and used to conduct his electroplating experiments at all hours, occasionally producing a spoon or amrit kalash pot. I was impressed that he taught himself the whole thing from scratch. But I hope he doesn't sell any as I hate to think of people getting ripped off. But OTOH if you really want a gold spoon who am I to complain? I'd hate to deny people: youthfulness, long life, freedom from disease, increased physical power, strength of all the sense organs, good concentration, detachment from problems, freedom from psychosomatic disturbances and the experience of bliss! Here's an advert from the Grauniad: http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2003/aug/31/alternativeinvestment.homesandgardens I say advert because the author of the piece is a TM teacher. It aint what you know, it's who you know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
PS: I imagine Barry, since you most likely won't respond to me directly and if my limited forum observations are correct and if you choose to address anything I stated, you will do so in an indirect manner with a new topic and without naming names. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp update some months back. From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the Hate Brigade. (Does make others part of the Love Brigade?) Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with. Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult? I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coherent Times Magazine
To enable the cutlery to be used on a practical daily basis, the hardness and strength of the gold has also been increased to the region of 18ct gold, whilst retaining the purity of 24ct gold. With this new technology we can now offer solid gold, or gold coated cutlery and eating utensils. What bullshit, how can it be as pure as 24 ct gold if it isn't 24 ct gold? And the strength of the gold has been increased to the region of 18ct gold??? I'm sure goldsmiths all over the world are drooling with envy they didn't come up with the secret process that can do such a thing. Typical TM type double talk that promises the sun, moon and stars while delivering very little. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coherent Times Magazine --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I like this one better - the Ultimate Arrogant Bullshit TM My-Nose-Is-Permanently-Aimed-Toward-The-Sky-Cause-I'm-So-Much-More-Refined-Than-You Indulgence. http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ And they even include more TM vacuous supercilious claims they never back up with facts: A fool and his money are soon parted. All the correct buzzwords are there though; ancient wisdom, modern science, perfect health. Eating with the Pure Gold Spoon is said to enliven the 7 to 8 drops of Ojas in the heart. This increases happiness, improves digestion and has beneficial effects to the heart, brain and nervous system. Chuckle. Caveat emptor and all that... To enable the cutlery to be used on a practical daily basis, the hardness and strength of the gold has also been increased to the region of 18ct gold, whilst retaining the purity of 24ct gold. With this new technology we can now offer solid gold, or gold coated cutlery and eating utensils. So they dilute gold to 18 carat while preserving its purity? I'm intrigued, I suspected I know the person behind it and after a google, found out I do. He used to have a room in the same corridor from me at HQ and used to conduct his electroplating experiments at all hours, occasionally producing a spoon or amrit kalash pot. I was impressed that he taught himself the whole thing from scratch. But I hope he doesn't sell any as I hate to think of people getting ripped off. But OTOH if you really want a gold spoon who am I to complain? I'd hate to deny people: youthfulness, long life, freedom from disease, increased physical power, strength of all the sense organs, good concentration, detachment from problems, freedom from psychosomatic disturbances and the experience of bliss! Here's an advert from the Grauniad: http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2003/aug/31/alternativeinvestment.homesandgardens I say advert because the author of the piece is a TM teacher. It aint what you know, it's who you know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
Bhairitu: You could enhance your understanding by looking up the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China#Modern_history So, I wonder what the Tibetans think? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet Only five established religions are lawful in China and these five Communist Party-sanctioned religious groups are at odds with the atheist aspects of the official Marxist ideology. The vast majority of Chinese residents are considered to be irreligious. .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China The 1978 Constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees freedom of religion in Article 36. Falun Gong is meditation, both sitting and standing, and yoga poses; it is banned in China and is not possible to practice in large groups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. No you don't because you claim you don't read Robin or Ravi or any other rabble-poster here, you can't fool us BB. Now, for the analysis that we are all waiting, ecstatically, for: There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) Thank you for that Barry. Now, anyone else an expert on narcissism, bad writing and repetition? No one can demonstrate any of these qualities clearer than Barry while at the same time claiming they belong to everyone else. We love you Barry Wright! There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. Do you believe there to be a fundamental difference between replying (being responsive) to these cretins and merely writing about them every day? Personally I think there is a big difference; the 'responder' at least possesses a modicum of backbone. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. Targets, targets everywhere. What's a body to do? So many targets so few darts, so little time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
John, thanks for that clarification. I guess I assumed that Taiwan calls itself Taiwan rather than China. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet etc. From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA John, are you aware that Red China is a cold war term that's virtually obsolete these days except among extreme right-wingers? Judy, I'm using the term as title of convenience to differentiate mainland China from Taiwan, which also claims to be China. No, I'm not an extreme right-winger as you may be assuming. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
I enjoyed this explanation Xeno. Well stated about having a description for something previously unknown to a person so one can at least have a hand hold, so to speak. From there the person can get their balance. Perhaps they will decide later that the hand hold (the descriptions) are not definitively applicable to their experience, but the descriptions at least provided aid. I do not always grasp what people are talking about when they state they (or others) are enlightened. To me, it is still a nebulous term. I kind of think that whatever state we are in, therein we are. If we are aware of that, we are enlightened because we are aware of the moment. I realize that probably isn't a definition of enlightenment, but it works for me...at the moment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: We all understand what it means to say everyone is enlightened, Xeno. As true as it may be on one level, some of us think it's unhelpful and counterproductive, even obfuscatory, when used in an exchange like that quoted above. [post #343925] As you present this Judy, yes. But it is not ultimately unhelpful. These kinds of statements have a purpose. They program the mind so that when awakening finally occurs, the mind has something to hold on to; gives it an anchor. Some people are very disoriented upon waking up because the character of the experience is so different from what they expected, from what they had been led to believe or what they made of what was said about it (in a reasonably decent tradition, it would be the latter). In the meantime the somewhat cryptic and seemingly irrational nature of the statement can provoke a curiosity in some to just ponder what it might mean because obviously the mind can only formulate an intellectual picture based on imagination. This kind of pondering, contemplative thinking can also push the mind to expand. Contemplative thinking seems to be less evident in the TM tradition than in some others. It comes to some people more naturally than others. So these kinds of statements, such as Maharishi saying 'in unity consciousness nothing ever happened', or the statement 'you are already enlightened', or 'if you do not see the way, you do not see it even if you walk on it' (this is from the Sandokai, a foundational poem for Zen Buddhism), kind of lie dormant, but they come to life when the individual wakes up out of their individuality. Then the mind can say 'oh, that's what that meant', and the disorientation that could have happened instead becomes recognition. I wasn't trying to bamboozle Nabby. Nabby and everyone else has the full value of being inside, outside, through and through. We could not discover it if it were not. The only difference is if you think it is something other than what you are experiencing as ordinary everyday experience, something you have to look for, you do not see it. All the practices we do are just to get the mind to stop dead and give up looking. It is so odd it can take such a long time to come to a truly persistent standstill.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult?
Enjoyed this piece. For me, it's a light-hearted way to shake me up a little and be more aware to endeavor to hear my own heart. I like the first comment on the blog: Submitted by Visitor (not verified) on April 26, 2013 - 1:42pm. and then freedom, or awakening becomes the 'cult' ... we never escape ... Ha! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpractice@...] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: rick@... Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnow that's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the programming of the Cult is everywhere and that going in and out of trance is a constant, on-going process. As you do, it will become obvious that waking up from the trance needs to happen again and again, in many little moments of choice. This is what I mean by practice --- that choice to live deliberately, to embrace a way of life that's fully alive, always evolving, spontaneously in-the-moment, self-aware, humorous and free. (This is the core of the Integral Spiritual Practice http://click.e.evolvingwisdom.com/?qs=25c601ea8e0de1d61695affe716d537855c77 379117f20a921a45c29a6b5363e05cb13fd718cfdc9 I teach.) From this perspective, yes, you're in the big Cult, the one that keeps re-hypnotizing you back into the consensus trance. The point is this: you can leave the cult now --- in this very moment. May you do so, and may you keep leaving it, by waking up! Again and again and again --- every day, for the rest of your life. To your practice and awakening and freedom, Terry P.S. If you'd like to comment on this blog you can do so here
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult?
Thanks, Rick, I love this post. Though have to admit that the idea of having to wake up moment after moment forever sounds exhausting! Doesn't it ever get automatic? From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Are you in a cult? From:Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpract...@e.evolvingwisdom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: r...@searchsummit.com Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnowthat's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the programming of the Cult is everywhere and that going in and out of trance is a constant, on-going process. As you do, it will become obvious that waking up from the trance needs to happen again and again, in many little moments of choice. This is what I mean by practice --- that choice to live deliberately, to embrace a way of life that's fully alive, always evolving, spontaneously in-the-moment, self-aware, humorous and free. (This is the core of the Integral Spiritual Practice I teach.) From this perspective, yes, you're in the big Cult, the one that keeps re-hypnotizing you back into the consensus trance. The point is this: you can leave the cult now --- in this very moment. May you do so, and may you keep leaving it, by waking up! Again and again and again --- every day, for the rest of your life. To your practice and awakening and freedom, Terry P.S. If you'd like to comment on this blog you can do so here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult?
No body gets out of here alive (-: From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult? Enjoyed this piece. For me, it's a light-hearted way to shake me up a little and be more aware to endeavor to hear my own heart. I like the first comment on the blog: Submitted by Visitor (not verified) on April 26, 2013 - 1:42pm. and then freedom, or awakening becomes the 'cult' ... we never escape ... Ha! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpractice@...] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: rick@... Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnow that's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the programming of the Cult is everywhere and that going in and out of trance is a constant, on-going process. As you do, it will become obvious that waking up from the trance needs to happen again and again, in many little moments of choice. This is what I mean by practice --- that choice to live deliberately, to embrace a way of life that's fully alive, always evolving, spontaneously in-the-moment, self-aware, humorous and free. (This is the core of the Integral Spiritual Practice http://click.e.evolvingwisdom.com/?qs=25c601ea8e0de1d61695affe716d537855c77 379117f20a921a45c29a6b5363e05cb13fd718cfdc9 I teach.) From this perspective, yes, you're in the big Cult, the one that keeps re-hypnotizing you back into the consensus trance. The point is this: you can leave the cult now --- in this very moment. May you do so, and may you keep leaving it, by waking up! Again and again
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
Let's play pretend: Pretend that the AHA scientific statement brings about a slew of larger-scale studies designed the way this study was: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2693686 Where good faith attempts were made to compensate for the fact that it is virtually impossible to conduct a double- blind study on meditation by ensuring that all test subjects had the same expectations. Let us further pretend that these hypothetical studies show roughly the same thing: on stress/health issues, TM comes in first, mindfulness practices second and concentrative practices third. on mindfulness-related issues, mindfulness comes in first, TM second, and concentrative practices third. Let us finally pretend that a large enough number of these studies are done in such way that all the reviewers who thus far have insisted that there's not enough good research available to make any real determination about the effectiveness of meditative practices on anything at all, start to agree with the AHA statement and conclude that in certain circumstances, TM comes out consistently ahead -maybe they start to endorse mindfulness for certain things too, but not the same things that they say TM is good for. At THAT point, will you concede that TM IS in any way superior to any other meditations out there? turquoiseb: Lawson, you can play pretend all you want, but I'm stuck back on the more fundamental issue that this WHOLE QUESTION is based on the ego and attachment of TMers who are *desperate* to somehow prove that what they were told over and over and over and over and over and over for decades is true. That is, that TM *is* superior, or the best. If you seek the realms of light, the best thing to do is to meditate with love and the gentle aliveness. Meditation should not be forced. - Zen Master Rama http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/introduction_meditation.html I honestly have never encountered another form of meditation or tradition that indoctrinates its practitioners to believe this and proselytize this, although in theory they might exist, if some other teacher or tradition is/was as ego-bound and petty as Maharishi. THE WHOLE QUESTION is meaningless, except to those (like yourself) who are trying to prove something having (IMO) to do with their *own* superiority in being practitioners of the best. So go off and play pretend on your own. Most of the rest of us DON'T CARE. YOU care. You care a LOT. Given your posting history here and on other forums, this need to prove TM's supposed superiority or bestness is a common and consistently annoying theme, and has been as long as I've known you. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult?
*chuckle* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: No body gets out of here alive (-: From: Carol jchwelch@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult? Â Enjoyed this piece. For me, it's a light-hearted way to shake me up a little and be more aware to endeavor to hear my own heart. I like the first comment on the blog: Submitted by Visitor (not verified) on April 26, 2013 - 1:42pm. and then freedom, or awakening becomes the 'cult' ... we never escape ... Ha! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpractice@] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: rick@ Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnow that's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the programming of the Cult is everywhere and that going in and out of trance is a constant, on-going process. As you do, it will become obvious that waking up from the trance needs to happen again and again, in many little moments of choice. This is what I mean by practice --- that choice to live deliberately, to embrace a way of life that's fully alive, always evolving, spontaneously in-the-moment, self-aware, humorous and free. (This is the core of the Integral Spiritual Practice http://click.e.evolvingwisdom.com/?qs=25c601ea8e0de1d61695affe716d537855c77 379117f20a921a45c29a6b5363e05cb13fd718cfdc9 I teach.) From this perspective, yes, you're in the big Cult, the one that keeps
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult?
I'm quoting but I forget who (-: From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult? *chuckle* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: No body gets out of here alive (-: From: Carol jchwelch@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult? Â Enjoyed this piece. For me, it's a light-hearted way to shake me up a little and be more aware to endeavor to hear my own heart. I like the first comment on the blog: Submitted by Visitor (not verified) on April 26, 2013 - 1:42pm. and then freedom, or awakening becomes the 'cult' ... we never escape ... Ha! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpractice@] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: rick@ Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnow that's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the programming of the Cult is everywhere and that going in and out of trance is a constant, on-going process. As you do, it will become obvious that waking up from the trance needs to happen again and again, in many little moments of choice. This is what I mean by practice --- that choice to live deliberately, to embrace a way of life that's fully alive, always evolving, spontaneously in-the-moment, self-aware, humorous and free. (This is the core of the Integral Spiritual
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
Michael Jackson: for sure TM is not in any way superior to any other meditations out there. Well, for this to be true you would have to try ALL meditation techniques. There is some doubt you even know TM practice or basic yoga poses. Go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole Or, I guess it all depends on how you can define 'meditation'. Based on my recent visit to Sonoma, almost the entire northern half of California meditates using various breath awareness techniques or various yoga techniques. According to the dictionary, meditation means simply 'to think things over'. If so, then everyone meditates. There's probably not a person on the planet who doesn't pause once or twice a day to take stock of their mind contents. And, we're all transcending - even without a specific technique. So, the question is: do you enjoy? Can you think of another product with no value, as you seem to suggest, that has been around for fifty years, simply because of the marketing geniuses behind it? I can't. Has to provide some value.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coherent Times Magazine
*another chuckle* Boy, that'd cause some indigestion! ;D ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: That made me laugh. I did a quick google search on the health benefits of eating with gold cutlery. All I found was that gold cutlery isn't durable. http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-using-gold-cutlery.htm Here's an article about other metals in cutlery. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/776ba1d4-93ee-11e1-baf0-00144feab49a.html#axzz2TMuHUnkS I have three gold crowns in my mouth. I always eat with them. Wonder if they are enlivening my heart? Seems that they are, Carol. I have a few gold ones myself and I had wondered if I had swallowed a Raja or two when I wasn't paying attention! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: I like this one better - the Ultimate Arrogant Bullshit TM My-Nose-Is-Permanently-Aimed-Toward-The-Sky-Cause-I'm-So-Much-More-Refined-Than-You Indulgence. http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ And they even include more TM vacuous supercilious claims they never back up with facts: Normally cutlery is gold plated only for show. This process of gold plating is found to neutralize the âOjasâ enhancing effect. âJivan Super Goldâ is manufactured by a new, unique process to preserve and enhance âOjasâ. This unique process was developed by Jivan Super Products, together with Vedic health experts and is not commercially available. To enable the cutlery to be used on a practical daily basis, the hardness and strength of the gold has also been increased to the region of 18ct gold, whilst retaining the purity of 24ct gold. With this new technology we can now offer solid gold, or gold coated cutlery and eating utensils. From: merlin vedamerlin@ To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Coherent Times Magazine  Coherent Times Magazine coherenttimes.wordpress.com/tag/tm-england/http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/tag/tm-england/ ...*... http://dev.invincibleeurope.eu/de/ ***_ .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult?
Google that quote! ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_One_Here_Gets_Out_Alive Interesting. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I'm quoting but I forget who (-: From: Carol jchwelch@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult? Â *chuckle* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: No body gets out of here alive (-: From: Carol jchwelch@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult? ÃÂ Enjoyed this piece. For me, it's a light-hearted way to shake me up a little and be more aware to endeavor to hear my own heart. I like the first comment on the blog: Submitted by Visitor (not verified) on April 26, 2013 - 1:42pm. and then freedom, or awakening becomes the 'cult' ... we never escape ... Ha! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpractice@] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: rick@ Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnow that's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the programming of the Cult is everywhere and that going in and out of trance is a constant, on-going process. As you do, it will become
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult?
More Jim Morrison: http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Jim_Morrison/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: Google that quote! ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_One_Here_Gets_Out_Alive Interesting. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I'm quoting but I forget who (-: From: Carol jchwelch@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult? Â *chuckle* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: No body gets out of here alive (-: From: Carol jchwelch@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are you in a cult? ÃÂ Enjoyed this piece. For me, it's a light-hearted way to shake me up a little and be more aware to endeavor to hear my own heart. I like the first comment on the blog: Submitted by Visitor (not verified) on April 26, 2013 - 1:42pm. and then freedom, or awakening becomes the 'cult' ... we never escape ... Ha! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: Integral Spiritual Practice [mailto:integralpractice@] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:01 PM To: rick@ Subject: Are you in a cult? Dear Rick, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: You bet. And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society. But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: ...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived. It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to succeed and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a failure.) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's consensus reality (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed the Consensus Trance. He described it as a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving... Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cultnow that's when your family might start to ask Hey, have you joined a cult? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop groupthink dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously cultic. And yet without support and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: PS: I imagine Barry, since you most likely won't respond to me directly and if my limited forum observations are correct and if you choose to address anything I stated, you will do so in an indirect manner with a new topic and without naming names. Nonsense. I will ignore it -- and you -- completely. Have a nice day. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp update some months back. From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the Hate Brigade. (Does make others part of the Love Brigade?) Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with. Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult? I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Oh my! He responded! ;D Thank you Barry. I plan to have good day. You too. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: PS: I imagine Barry, since you most likely won't respond to me directly and if my limited forum observations are correct and if you choose to address anything I stated, you will do so in an indirect manner with a new topic and without naming names. Nonsense. I will ignore it -- and you -- completely. Have a nice day. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp update some months back. From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the Hate Brigade. (Does make others part of the Love Brigade?) Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with. Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult? I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coherent Times Magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: To enable the cutlery to be used on a practical daily basis, the hardness and strength of the gold has also been increased to the region of 18ct gold, whilst retaining the purity of 24ct gold. With this new technology we can now offer solid gold, or gold coated cutlery and eating utensils. What bullshit, how can it be as pure as 24 ct gold if it isn't 24 ct gold? And the strength of the gold has been increased to the region of 18ct gold??? I'm sure goldsmiths all over the world are drooling with envy they didn't come up with the secret process that can do such a thing. Typical TM type double talk that promises the sun, moon and stars while delivering very little. Maybe he finally found the philosophers stone? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coherent Times Magazine  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: I like this one better - the Ultimate Arrogant Bullshit TM My-Nose-Is-Permanently-Aimed-Toward-The-Sky-Cause-I'm-So-Much-More-Refined-Than-You Indulgence. http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ And they even include more TM vacuous supercilious claims they never back up with facts: A fool and his money are soon parted. All the correct buzzwords are there though; ancient wisdom, modern science, perfect health. Eating with the Pure Gold Spoon is said to enliven the 7 to 8 drops of Ojas in the heart. This increases happiness, improves digestion and has beneficial effects to the heart, brain and nervous system. Chuckle. Caveat emptor and all that... To enable the cutlery to be used on a practical daily basis, the hardness and strength of the gold has also been increased to the region of 18ct gold, whilst retaining the purity of 24ct gold. With this new technology we can now offer solid gold, or gold coated cutlery and eating utensils. So they dilute gold to 18 carat while preserving its purity? I'm intrigued, I suspected I know the person behind it and after a google, found out I do. He used to have a room in the same corridor from me at HQ and used to conduct his electroplating experiments at all hours, occasionally producing a spoon or amrit kalash pot. I was impressed that he taught himself the whole thing from scratch. But I hope he doesn't sell any as I hate to think of people getting ripped off. But OTOH if you really want a gold spoon who am I to complain? I'd hate to deny people: youthfulness, long life, freedom from disease, increased physical power, strength of all the sense organs, good concentration, detachment from problems, freedom from psychosomatic disturbances and the experience of bliss! Here's an advert from the Grauniad: http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2003/aug/31/alternativeinvestment.homesandgardens I say advert because the author of the piece is a TM teacher. It aint what you know, it's who you know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions. So I guess I'm a pretty guilty party. You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago. BTW, neat story about your current working assignment. It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for those (few) who might be interested: IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award for Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information Industry Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the software and digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a prestigious honor as winners are reviewed and chosen by software industry executives and SIIA member votes. http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480 http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA John, are you aware that Red China is a cold war term that's virtually obsolete these days except among extreme right-wingers? Judy, I'm using the term as title of convenience to differentiate mainland China from Taiwan, which also claims to be China. I seriously doubt anyone would be confused. I don't think many people assume you mean Taiwan when you say China. (In contexts where it might be really important to make that differentiation, you could always just use mainland China, as you do above.) No, I'm not an extreme right-winger as you may be assuming. The reason I mentioned it, John, is because I know you *aren't* an extreme right-winger and figured you might not want to give the impression that you are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board. Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad old fuck, that one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp update some months back. From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the Hate Brigade. (Does make others part of the Love Brigade?) Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with. Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult? I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
On 05/15/2013 06:57 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu: You could enhance your understanding by looking up the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China#Modern_history So, I wonder what the Tibetans think? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet I heard the other side of the story from a writer of spiritual articles and books who said many Tibetans didn't like paying a tax to a theocracy. Only five established religions are lawful in China and these five Communist Party-sanctioned religious groups are at odds with the atheist aspects of the official Marxist ideology. The vast majority of Chinese residents are considered to be irreligious. .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China I'm not into religion myself. Are you? The 1978 Constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees freedom of religion in Article 36. Falun Gong is meditation, both sitting and standing, and yoga poses; it is banned in China and is not possible to practice in large groups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong I seem to recall the problem with Falun Gong was not the meditation but that it was becoming a cult movement. So how is TM doing in China?
[FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons
Eating with the Pure Gold Spoon is said to enliven the 7 to 8 drops of “Ojas” in the heart. Wonder who said that? Maybe the guy who invented the process of goldifying the spoons borrowed one of Johnnie Hagelin's real extra fine shore nuff good and accurate physics ideas or even one of his Vedic measuring machines to measure how many drops of ojas the heart is excreting when gobbling vittles with a vedic gold spoon. Wonder if eating high priced chavan prash and calling it amrit with the gold spoon while staring at a vedic observatory model would amp up the ojas meter to 10 or 11?
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- John jr_esq@ wrote: MMY did not recommend the use of hypnosis since, IMO, it promotes self-will and not the will of the unified field. The unified field has a will? Far out. --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Isn't it just a *trip* that so many people assume it does? Actually it gives me the creeps! I mean the UF - if it exists - is simply what the universe is before it gets all random and foamy and *long* before the chaos becomes visible as the whirly subatomic stuff we all know and love. As Hagelin describes the unified field, It is an ocean of Intelligence. As such, It is the Observer, the Process of Observing, and the Observed. This universe and any other universes which come out of the Unified Field cannot be random and chaotic since It is Intelligence. In particular, this universe is based on Natural Laws in which the subatomic particles and galaxies are subjected to. --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Ha! And he calls himself a physicist! As I've always said, he's a card-carrying, tub thumping, religious fruitcake. The whole *point* of 20th century physics is that we learnt that Newton was wrong about the universe being fundamentally predictable - it is fundamentally chaotic. All we can do is predict how likely the random effects are. And we can do that astoundingly well. Apart from dark energy and matter it's all done and dusted, until someone realises there is something else we can't explain and then we need more and bigger machines to probe ever further. And Hagelin thinks he's already explained it all! I'm telling you, the idea that there is an intelligence behind the universe is a religious concept not a scientific one. The Universe is balanced between order and chaos. Newton wasn't exactly wrong. Newton's theories form the bedrock of modern science. Einstein refined it to the next level. Could it be most people are in fact worshippers of Discordia the ancient Greek goddess of Chaos. Such a religion is called Discordianism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html --- Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: You're assuming that China is still Red? It dumped a communist economic system some time ago. You might want to watch a movie called Last Train Home. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512201/ It'll give you an idea of what Iife is like in China and how it is different from the propaganda you've been fed about it. No it is no capitalist wonderland but not exactly a horrific police state either. But they're a bit disorganized since they know their workers will want to do this yearly trip back home and it is a mess. Tell me, did the US start showing signs of 'Corporate Dictatorship' from the 1960's onwards. Eisenhower predicted something like that much before. China dumped the 'socialistic economic system' in 1979, but retained it's 'socialistic political system'. The 'corporate dictatorship' of the US is almost as worse as the 'communist dictatorship' of China. In fact, this is the real reason the communists hate the US. The Norwegian model is the most futuristic model. It has successfully eliminated corruption. However, they can much better on the economic front.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
what a joke - I have friends living in Norway, native Norwegians and they tell me their politicians are as corrupt as any others in Europe From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html --- Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: You're assuming that China is still Red? It dumped a communist economic system some time ago. You might want to watch a movie called Last Train Home. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512201/ It'll give you an idea of what Iife is like in China and how it is different from the propaganda you've been fed about it. No it is no capitalist wonderland but not exactly a horrific police state either. But they're a bit disorganized since they know their workers will want to do this yearly trip back home and it is a mess. Tell me, did the US start showing signs of 'Corporate Dictatorship' from the 1960's onwards. Eisenhower predicted something like that much before. China dumped the 'socialistic economic system' in 1979, but retained it's 'socialistic political system'. The 'corporate dictatorship' of the US is almost as worse as the 'communist dictatorship' of China. In fact, this is the real reason the communists hate the US. The Norwegian model is the most futuristic model. It has successfully eliminated corruption. However, they can much better on the economic front.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Newton wasn't exactly wrong. Newton's theories form the bedrock of modern science. Einstein refined it to the next level. Newton thought that gravity was a force that attracted everything in the universe to everything else. This would only work on things that have mass. Einstein showed that gravity is not a force but a dent in what he calls space/time caused by the mass of objects. The proof that Einstein was right is that light (which has no mass) always follows a straight line through space yet it bends round massive objects like stars or galaxies. This has been observed during eclipses when stars that should have been behind the moon are seen next to it. They were both geniuses but Einstein had the advantage of living 200 years after Newton and that's a lot of extra measurements and thinking to draw on. So Newton's equations still work for most things but he was wrong about the cause. In my post though was refering to Newtons determinist idea that the universe would be totally predictable if the starting parameters were known. This is very wrong, quantum physics shows us that the universe is random at its deepest known level and even Einstein hated that idea, God does not play dice as he didn't actually say, but it's one of the few things we can say we know. As for the idea that there is balance between order and chaos, it looks like you want to break the second law of thermodynamics, but everything is falling apart, my guess is that it only looks like a balance has been struck because changes take so long to show. Like the idea people have that there is a balance to nature, there isn't. Everything is tearing everything else to shreds, it just looks harmonious because we don't see the extinctions and the vast amount of lifeforms that don't reach adulthood so we can.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
On 05/15/2013 10:35 AM, Jason wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html --- Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: You're assuming that China is still Red? It dumped a communist economic system some time ago. You might want to watch a movie called Last Train Home. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512201/ It'll give you an idea of what Iife is like in China and how it is different from the propaganda you've been fed about it. No it is no capitalist wonderland but not exactly a horrific police state either. But they're a bit disorganized since they know their workers will want to do this yearly trip back home and it is a mess. Tell me, did the US start showing signs of 'Corporate Dictatorship' from the 1960's onwards. Eisenhower predicted something like that much before. China dumped the 'socialistic economic system' in 1979, but retained it's 'socialistic political system'. The 'corporate dictatorship' of the US is almost as worse as the 'communist dictatorship' of China. In fact, this is the real reason the communists hate the US. The Norwegian model is the most futuristic model. It has successfully eliminated corruption. However, they can much better on the economic front. There's always been a war since the founding of the US between the wealthy who wanted their serfs back and those who wanted a path of democracy free from the tyranny of greedy pompous landowners. The corporate dictatorship is known as neo-liberalism and the pirates of our economy are riding the waves high. They've put us in check with their Patriot Act making people fearful of acting against them. But we must act against them or live under tyranny. We just need to be very smart about it and fools have put so many STEM people out of work it should be easy to create a smart insurgency against them. Incidentally, I have often mentioned on FFL that Ridley Scott in his Blade Runner Final Cut commentary mentions that the world of Blade Runner is corporate communism. I've been sitting back lately watching both the right and left be manipulated into such an ugly world.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:25 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons Eating with the Pure Gold Spoon is said to enliven the 7 to 8 drops of “Ojas” in the heart. Wonder who said that? Maybe the guy who invented the process of goldifying the spoons borrowed one of Johnnie Hagelin's real extra fine shore nuff good and accurate physics ideas or even one of his Vedic measuring machines to measure how many drops of ojas the heart is excreting when gobbling vittles with a vedic gold spoon. Wonder if eating high priced chavan prash and calling it amrit with the gold spoon while staring at a vedic observatory model would amp up the ojas meter to 10 or 11? Is the TMO selling gold spoons?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons
http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ You gone git one? From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:25 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons Eating with the Pure Gold Spoon is said to enliven the 7 to 8 drops of “Ojas” in the heart. Wonder who said that? Maybe the guy who invented the process of goldifying the spoons borrowed one of Johnnie Hagelin's real extra fine shore nuff good and accurate physics ideas or even one of his Vedic measuring machines to measure how many drops of ojas the heart is excreting when gobbling vittles with a vedic gold spoon. Wonder if eating high priced chavan prash and calling it amrit with the gold spoon while staring at a vedic observatory model would amp up the ojas meter to 10 or 11? Is the TMO selling gold spoons?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Thanks Steve. This is fair enough that you think we are good writers, steadily, stealthily trying to ferret out the truth one's not willing to acknowledge. So I have nothing to be wary of Robin then - you made it seem something sinister by referring to Robin and I was afraid you were going to come up with one or more of the following - 1) Ravi is a fundamentalist trying to use shame to control others (Share) 2) Ravi suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Barry) 3) Ravi is processing undirected anger to make up for his emptiness (Barry) 4) Ravi is indulging in incoherent rants (Curtis) 5) Ravi indulges in word-salad indicative of disassociation (Curtis) You, my friend are in a very better shape than I imagined - clearly in a better, healthier frame of mind - emotionally, psychologically than Share, Barry and Curtis. Anyway I officially have a diagnosis for you - The Sports-fan Syndrome. I will get to that in your other email. On May 15, 2013, at 5:11 AM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Ravi, thanks for the question. I think Robin is a good writer. I think you are good writer. I mean it's remarkable what proficiency you have in a language that is not your mother tongue. But yes, I do perceive some Robin creep* in some of the expressions you use, but more importantly, in your overall philosophy. You know, this notion, this perceived ability to ferret out the truth of what a person may be unwilling to acknowledge. This ability to know if what they are saying is properly aligned with reality. * creep in verb sense, not adjective sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: What does this really mean Steve - clearly it's an honor to be compared to Robin, especially if it is in his writing style but then we will always be very different in our writing styles and I will never be emulate him in his writing. You are out of your mind to even suggest that. Robin's influence is in other areas, definitely an important one in my life. If there's any reason you think why I should be wary of him - please summarize so we can discuss it in a conventional way. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ You gone git one? A whole set. I wonder if this is an official TMO site? Seems not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Agree with what? A summary please. On May 15, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree. From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pure Gold spoons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ You gone git one? A whole set. I wonder if this is an official TMO site? Seems not. It's obviously some TMer's personal blog. Michael didn't really think it was an offficial TMO site, did he?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pure Gold spoons
Nope - doesn't have to be - it's just more of what Marshy and his way of bs-ing the world creates more and more like energy - birds of a feather, like attracts like and all that jazz From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pure Gold spoons --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ You gone git one? A whole set. I wonder if this is an official TMO site? Seems not. It's obviously some TMer's personal blog. Michael didn't really think it was an offficial TMO site, did he?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
Thanks for quoting that May be after watching the full movie at you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXSFfpXtd0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXSFfpXtd0 some will reconsider the postings from Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:02 pm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/330663 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/330663 Here a IMHO better synopsis that the OMDb one: Changhua Zhang and Suqin Chen are a couple from a rural village in China's Sichuan province. Frustrated with their lack of employment opportunities, they traveled to the industrial city of Guangdong and took jobs with a large textile firm, making clothing for export. However, Changhua and Suqin were not able to bring their two children with them, and since then the kids have been raised by their grandparents, with their mother and father staying in touch though occasional telephone calls. The only time they have a chance to see their now-teenage children is during China's annual New Year's celebration; they are among the 130 million Chinese whose work keeps them away from their families and make the trip home during the holiday, resulting in an overcrowded rail system as the trains struggle to keep up with the rush. Filmmaker Lixin Fan follows Changhua and Suqin over the course of several years in the documentary Last Train Home, as the couple makes the long journey home (over a thousand miles) only to find that their family is slowly falling apart -- 16-year-old Qin and her younger brother, Yang, are all but strangers now to their parents, and the youngsters have come to resent their parents, while Qin considers leaving school to move to the city on her own and get a job Going out in the morning passing the parks full of people playing Chi kung and Tai'Chi Cuan -can only giggle and smile about the often discussed Falun Dafa remarks made here at the Fairy Field adding to the friend of authors link read American POVWhat Is the Chinese Dream? http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/05/what-is-the-chi\ nese-dream/256929/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/05/what-is-the-ch\ inese-dream/256929/ http://www.theatlantic.com/special-report/china-takes-off/ http://www.theatlantic.com/special-report/china-takes-off/ snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: snip You're assuming that China is still Red? It dumped a communist economic system some time ago. You might want to watch a movie called Last Train Home. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512201/ It'll give you an idea of what Iife is like in China and how it is different from the propaganda you've been fed about it. No it is no capitalist wonderland but not exactly a horrific police state either. But they're a bit disorganized since they know their workers will want to do this yearly trip back home and it is a mess.
[FairfieldLife] Deepak Chopra renounced the world, teach and heal for free.
Can only reach into the mud , pulling up a lotus flower holding it silently before you, its roots dripping mud and water.and copy and paste and highlight the Shapiros text from Huffpost: Many years ago, we were teaching a meditation weekend in Plymouth, England. On the Saturday after the program was over for the day, Carole, one of the attendees, told us she had just been with Deepak Chopra, that he had walked out of the Body Mind Spirit Festival in London, renounced the world, and was at the local Heart and Soul Center healing people for free. We were amazed and intrigued as she added he was much thinner than in the photo of him that we had in our book The Way Ahead. A mutual friend, John Harricharan, had previously introduced us to Deepak in New York City, who was already a well-known teacher. So when we went to the Heart and Soul Center the next evening we were surprised to find an Indian man with the same name but obviously not the same Deepak. Later, we found out that the imposter Deepak had been abusing the women he was teaching (the real Deepak later thanked us for exposing the con man). But in the meantime, we witnessed the amazing power of faith. Those who were convinced the pretender was the real Deepak went through cathartic healings, transformations, and great joy... until he was exposed as a fraud, when suddenly these same students reversed to the distress they had had before. The power of faith was palpable. Buddha means awaken -- awaken to one's true nature, to the essence of reality, to radiant emptiness. It does not mean god, deity, or celebrity. Deepak Chopra is a respected modern-day teacher, regarded by some as a celebrity and even god-like. As such, he has a narrow path to walk so that he doesn't invoke the blind adoration we witnessed in Plymouth. We remember seeing a movie where the lead character shouted: I want to be Deepak Chopra. Why would someone feel that way? Could it be because Deepak is loved and wise, or that he embodies the real meaning of life?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Michael Jackson: for sure TM is not in any way superior to any other meditations out there. Well, for this to be true you would have to try ALL meditation techniques. There is some doubt you even know TM practice or basic yoga poses. Go figure. Since that the poor fellow was under the influence of drugs (his own words) when he learned TM, IF he ever learned that is, it is likely that he never did TM in the correct way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Agree with what? A summary please. That you're sounding more and more like Robin. Watch it. They may be setting you up to be the next PR. On May 15, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I agree. From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it it flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or deflects. I think it would be difficult to judge based on his interactions with the strange bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know much about his non-posting private life. He has a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives and works. Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in some way, are probably largely fictional and artificial compared to the way we act with real people, real time. This is the place where we dump our monsters of the id. This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It is called reciprocity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board. Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad old fuck, that one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp update some months back. From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the Hate Brigade. (Does make others part of the Love Brigade?) Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with. Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult? I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Newton wasn't exactly wrong. Newton's theories form the bedrock of modern science. Einstein refined it to the next level. (snip) In my post though was refering to Newtons determinist idea that the universe would be totally predictable if the starting parameters were known. This is very wrong, quantum physics shows us that the universe is random at its deepest known level and even Einstein hated that idea, God does not play dice as he didn't actually say, but it's one of the few things we can say we know. Key words: deepest KNOWN level. God does play dice, but He can calculate the odds to infinity. Bottom line: When you're talking about God, all bets are off. As for the idea that there is balance between order and chaos, it looks like you want to break the second law of thermodynamics, but everything is falling apart, my guess is that it only looks like a balance has been struck because changes take so long to show. Like the idea people have that there is a balance to nature, there isn't. Everything is tearing everything else to shreds, it just looks harmonious because we don't see the extinctions and the vast amount of lifeforms that don't reach adulthood so we can. There's more than one kind of balance. CAVEAT: I have no idea if Hagelin is right. I just resist on principle ruling stuff out at the God level.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it it flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or deflects. I think it would be difficult to judge based on his interactions with the strange bunch that we are on FFL. It's not at all difficult, however, to judge his interactions with others on FFL. We do not know much about his non-posting private life. He has a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives and works. OTOH, we also know that a significant percentage of what he posts on FFL is a highly distorted and even blatantly false reflection of reality. There's very little reason to accord him any credibility when he talks about his non-FFL life. Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in some way, are probably largely fictional and artificial compared to the way we act with real people, real time. This is the place where we dump our monsters of the id. Speak for yourself. In any case, what's being criticized is Barry's FFL persona. This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It is called reciprocity. But it's not once in a while, it's very frequently. And his dumps are bigger and smellier than anyone else's. Why would that be the case if he has such a satisfying non-FFL life? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board. Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad old fuck, that one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Newton wasn't exactly wrong. Newton's theories form the bedrock of modern science. Einstein refined it to the next level. (snip) In my post though was refering to Newtons determinist idea that the universe would be totally predictable if the starting parameters were known. This is very wrong, quantum physics shows us that the universe is random at its deepest known level and even Einstein hated that idea, God does not play dice as he didn't actually say, but it's one of the few things we can say we know. Key words: deepest KNOWN level. God does play dice, but He can calculate the odds to infinity. Bottom line: When you're talking about God, all bets are off. As for the idea that there is balance between order and chaos, it looks like you want to break the second law of thermodynamics, but everything is falling apart, my guess is that it only looks like a balance has been struck because changes take so long to show. Like the idea people have that there is a balance to nature, there isn't. Everything is tearing everything else to shreds, it just looks harmonious because we don't see the extinctions and the vast amount of lifeforms that don't reach adulthood so we can. There's more than one kind of balance. CAVEAT: I have no idea if Hagelin is right. I just resist on principle ruling stuff out at the God level. A story from the Sufi tradition: Two children found a bag containing twelve marbles. They argued over how to divide the toys and finally went to see the Mulla. When asked to settle their disagreement, the Mulla asked whether the children wanted him to divide the marbles as a human would or as Allah would. The children replied, We want it to be fair. Divide the marbles as Allah would. So, the Mulla counted out the marbles and gave three to one child and nine to the other.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
On May 15, 2013, at 1:32 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Agree with what? A summary please. That you're sounding more and more like Robin. Right - Steve has explained why he thinks he got the Robin feel, I wanted to hear Share say why she got the Robin feel, like Steve in a couple of lines at least rather than some vague, meaningless statement like I agree. I'm very curious. Watch it. They may be setting you up to be the next PR. Yes - that's a strong possibility, doesn't look like they at this point - only Share, she will find herself alone in that viewpoint. On May 15, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I agree. From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: What is the lesson we can take home here? Who's right here? Well, for starters, asking someone who you regard as clueless to answer a question would indicate that you do not know where to point your question.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: (snip) God does play dice, but He can calculate the odds to infinity. Bottom line: When you're talking about God, all bets are off. I wasn't and nor was Einstein. Well, *somebody* was, and you quoted him or her. I will make a bet that there isn't one though. I wouldn't take the bet, because I *can't* calculate the odds to infinity. (snip) CAVEAT: I have no idea if Hagelin is right. I just resist on principle ruling stuff out at the God level. Why? Man invented god as a way of explaining things he didn't understand. Sure of that, are ya? I *will* bet you that there are a whole lot of things we will never understand. We might as well call them God. Things move on, Hagelin wants to keep us in the bronze age because it helps sell yagyas and golden spoons.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Agree with what? A summary please. That you're sounding more and more like Robin. Watch it. They may be setting you up to be the next PR. Judy, first, congratulations. You've stretched yourself pretty well on bringing up anything aboutPR. Maybe the community can come up with a suitable replacement. I think we've pretty well milked the life out of this one. Yes, there is the matter of the apology, that you feel, you, or Robin, or someone is entitled to and which must be stated in such a way to meet certain criteria you have in mind. I think that we have moved past this as well. I don't think you are ready to really move past it altogether, but maybe you can stretch yourself a little more, and before you know it, it will truly be in the past, except maybe for ceremonial occasions. Perhaps this can be referred to as the PR period of FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: (snip) Perhaps this can be referred to as the PR period of FFL. Let's hope we will always look back on it as the lowest point in the history of FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
I can only repeat what I said before. You can equivocate to the moon, but it doesn't change his dynamic. Comes through loud, clear and often for me. I also don't buy your, He's only an asshole when you're looking, routine. Throughout my career as a hiring manager, I interviewed hundreds of people. I developed a saying from such interactions; the micro is the macro. Meaning that one significant spot of dirt during the interview, would sure as shit turn into a mud wallow once the person was interviewed further, or god forbid, on the job. You may rationalize all you want. I am simply evaluating my aggregate experience of Barry. One sad old fuck, that one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it it flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or deflects. I think it would be difficult to judge based on his interactions with the strange bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know much about his non-posting private life. He has a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives and works. Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in some way, are probably largely fictional and artificial compared to the way we act with real people, real time. This is the place where we dump our monsters of the id. This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It is called reciprocity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board. Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad old fuck, that one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp update some months back. From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the Hate Brigade. (Does make others part of the Love Brigade?) Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with. Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult? I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
On May 15, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: What is the lesson we can take home here? Who's right here? Well, for starters, asking someone who you regard as clueless to answer a question would indicate that you do not know where to point your question. Did you watch Clueless? She grows up - tada !!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: You are one stupid son of a bitch - most of the TM people I have known were using some kind of recreational drugs before they learned TM - and you, as most of my detractors here on FFL have reading comprehension problems - I never said I was under the influence of drugs when I learned. I was stoned when I had the prep lecture - I made the 14 day requirement for not doing dope Stoned or not stoned, we only have your word for it. The level of insight you display here indicates you most probably never learned the technique. Anyway my guess is that nobody here could care less.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
I do NOT care 4 this garbage as well. In a message dated 05/15/13 18:08:33 Eastern Daylight Time, no_re...@yahoogroups.com writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: You are one stupid son of a bitch - most of the TM people I have known were using some kind of recreational drugs before they learned TM - and you, as most of my detractors here on FFL have reading comprehension problems - I never said I was under the influence of drugs when I learned. I was stoned when I had the prep lecture - I made the 14 day requirement for not doing dope Stoned or not stoned, we only have your word for it. The level of insight you display here indicates you most probably never learned the technique. Anyway my guess is that nobody here could care less. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Grandpa Xeno only equivocates if it's Barry, Curtis or Share - when it's someone like Robin he falls down, a rapid descent from Unity Consciousness to Clam Consciousness - very dramatic LOL. On May 15, 2013, at 3:00 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I can only repeat what I said before. You can equivocate to the moon, but it doesn't change his dynamic. Comes through loud, clear and often for me. I also don't buy your, He's only an asshole when you're looking, routine. Throughout my career as a hiring manager, I interviewed hundreds of people. I developed a saying from such interactions; the micro is the macro. Meaning that one significant spot of dirt during the interview, would sure as shit turn into a mud wallow once the person was interviewed further, or god forbid, on the job. You may rationalize all you want. I am simply evaluating my aggregate experience of Barry. One sad old fuck, that one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it it flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or deflects. I think it would be difficult to judge based on his interactions with the strange bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know much about his non-posting private life. He has a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives and works. Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in some way, are probably largely fictional and artificial compared to the way we act with real people, real time. This is the place where we dump our monsters of the id. This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It is called reciprocity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board. Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad old fuck, that one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp update some months back. From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the Hate Brigade. (Does make others part of the Love Brigade?) Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with. Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult? I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace
The level of insight you display clearly shows you have allowed a human mind to become mesmerized by the likes of hucksters such as Marshy and Benjy Creme - maybe Maitrea will redeem you when he comes out of hiding. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Inner Peace --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: You are one stupid son of a bitch - most of the TM people I have known were using some kind of recreational drugs before they learned TM - and you, as most of my detractors here on FFL have reading comprehension problems - I never said I was under the influence of drugs when I learned. I was stoned when I had the prep lecture - I made the 14 day requirement for not doing dope Stoned or not stoned, we only have your word for it. The level of insight you display here indicates you most probably never learned the technique. Anyway my guess is that nobody here could care less.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Yeah, I remember doing that shit, the intellect leads the heart and its all justification, or the reverse, where the heart leads the intellect, and its all undifferentiated craziness. Hard to center the needle, except by not giving a fuck, keeping keenest discrimination, and letting life teach the lessons, in the moment, and learn grace, a face of sweat at a time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Grandpa Xeno only equivocates if it's Barry, Curtis or Share - when it's someone like Robin he falls down, a rapid descent from Unity Consciousness to Clam Consciousness - very dramatic LOL. On May 15, 2013, at 3:00 PM, doctordumbass@... no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I can only repeat what I said before. You can equivocate to the moon, but it doesn't change his dynamic. Comes through loud, clear and often for me. I also don't buy your, He's only an asshole when you're looking, routine. Throughout my career as a hiring manager, I interviewed hundreds of people. I developed a saying from such interactions; the micro is the macro. Meaning that one significant spot of dirt during the interview, would sure as shit turn into a mud wallow once the person was interviewed further, or god forbid, on the job. You may rationalize all you want. I am simply evaluating my aggregate experience of Barry. One sad old fuck, that one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it it flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or deflects. I think it would be difficult to judge based on his interactions with the strange bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know much about his non-posting private life. He has a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives and works. Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in some way, are probably largely fictional and artificial compared to the way we act with real people, real time. This is the place where we dump our monsters of the id. This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It is called reciprocity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board. Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad old fuck, that one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp update some months back. From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the Hate Brigade. (Does make others part of the Love Brigade?) Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with. Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult? I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Hey Ravi, I'm in a happy mood right now. Can't even think about entertaining any kind of negativity. Sports-fan Syndrome? Have to think about that. Can't say that I am that big of a sports fan. Yes, I do like hockey, perhaps because I often get free tickets, and my boys both play inline hockey. (quite a step down in prestige, and yes, expense, from ice hockey, but fun nonetheless) But hockey fans are a somewhat different breed of sports fan. I mean, players are out on the ice for about 90 seconds in a full sprint, rest for a two or three minutes, then out for another 90 second sprint. Unless they get in a fight of course. And the glass separating the fans from the players is about 5/8's of an inch thick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Thanks Steve. This is fair enough that you think we are good writers, steadily, stealthily trying to ferret out the truth one's not willing to acknowledge. So I have nothing to be wary of Robin then - you made it seem something sinister by referring to Robin and I was afraid you were going to come up with one or more of the following - 1) Ravi is a fundamentalist trying to use shame to control others (Share) 2) Ravi suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Barry) 3) Ravi is processing undirected anger to make up for his emptiness (Barry) 4) Ravi is indulging in incoherent rants (Curtis) 5) Ravi indulges in word-salad indicative of disassociation (Curtis) You, my friend are in a very better shape than I imagined - clearly in a better, healthier frame of mind - emotionally, psychologically than Share, Barry and Curtis. Anyway I officially have a diagnosis for you - The Sports-fan Syndrome. I will get to that in your other email. On May 15, 2013, at 5:11 AM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey Ravi, thanks for the question. I think Robin is a good writer. I think you are good writer. I mean it's remarkable what proficiency you have in a language that is not your mother tongue. But yes, I do perceive some Robin creep* in some of the expressions you use, but more importantly, in your overall philosophy. You know, this notion, this perceived ability to ferret out the truth of what a person may be unwilling to acknowledge. This ability to know if what they are saying is properly aligned with reality. * creep in verb sense, not adjective sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: What does this really mean Steve - clearly it's an honor to be compared to Robin, especially if it is in his writing style but then we will always be very different in our writing styles and I will never be emulate him in his writing. You are out of your mind to even suggest that. Robin's influence is in other areas, definitely an important one in my life. If there's any reason you think why I should be wary of him - please summarize so we can discuss it in a conventional way. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...: ** It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Well yeah, though I have never watched an entire game I have seen highlights on ESPN Sports center so I think I am aware of those aspects of Ice Hockey. Anyway I will respond after work and you can skip it and read it tomorrow. On May 15, 2013, at 4:59 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Ravi, I'm in a happy mood right now. Can't even think about entertaining any kind of negativity. Sports-fan Syndrome? Have to think about that. Can't say that I am that big of a sports fan. Yes, I do like hockey, perhaps because I often get free tickets, and my boys both play inline hockey. (quite a step down in prestige, and yes, expense, from ice hockey, but fun nonetheless) But hockey fans are a somewhat different breed of sports fan. I mean, players are out on the ice for about 90 seconds in a full sprint, rest for a two or three minutes, then out for another 90 second sprint. Unless they get in a fight of course. And the glass separating the fans from the players is about 5/8's of an inch thick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Thanks Steve. This is fair enough that you think we are good writers, steadily, stealthily trying to ferret out the truth one's not willing to acknowledge. So I have nothing to be wary of Robin then - you made it seem something sinister by referring to Robin and I was afraid you were going to come up with one or more of the following - 1) Ravi is a fundamentalist trying to use shame to control others (Share) 2) Ravi suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Barry) 3) Ravi is processing undirected anger to make up for his emptiness (Barry) 4) Ravi is indulging in incoherent rants (Curtis) 5) Ravi indulges in word-salad indicative of disassociation (Curtis) You, my friend are in a very better shape than I imagined - clearly in a better, healthier frame of mind - emotionally, psychologically than Share, Barry and Curtis. Anyway I officially have a diagnosis for you - The Sports-fan Syndrome. I will get to that in your other email. On May 15, 2013, at 5:11 AM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey Ravi, thanks for the question. I think Robin is a good writer. I think you are good writer. I mean it's remarkable what proficiency you have in a language that is not your mother tongue. But yes, I do perceive some Robin creep* in some of the expressions you use, but more importantly, in your overall philosophy. You know, this notion, this perceived ability to ferret out the truth of what a person may be unwilling to acknowledge. This ability to know if what they are saying is properly aligned with reality. * creep in verb sense, not adjective sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: What does this really mean Steve - clearly it's an honor to be compared to Robin, especially if it is in his writing style but then we will always be very different in our writing styles and I will never be emulate him in his writing. You are out of your mind to even suggest that. Robin's influence is in other areas, definitely an important one in my life. If there's any reason you think why I should be wary of him - please summarize so we can discuss it in a conventional way. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...: ** It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Oh Xeno you are so clueless to how you use inane platitudes to make up for your bias. You think it's just a persona of Barry, that Barry is just acting? Why would he act in such a way that it shows him as the most emotionally, psychologically stunted poster here on FFL? If I were just acting, projecting a persona I wouldn't be a masochist hell bent on humiliating myself by projecting such a persona - a persona which points to a strong disability. Case in point Steve says I have an exceptional mind and am a very good writer. I myself am quite confident and secure in the knowledge of having an exceptional mind and being a good writer. So here comes Barry this morning - with his Ravi being narcissistic and a real bad writer. What do you make of it? What is his persona, his act here? What is the lesson we can take home here? Who's right here? I'd chalk it up to a mere difference of opinion. Happens all the time, and no big deal really. On May 15, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it it flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or deflects. I think it would be difficult to judge based on his interactions with the strange bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know much about his non-posting private life. He has a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives and works. Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in some way, are probably largely fictional and artificial compared to the way we act with real people, real time. This is the place where we dump our monsters of the id. This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It is called reciprocity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board. Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad old fuck, that one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp update some months back. From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the Hate Brigade. (Does make others part of the Love Brigade?) Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with. Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult? I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
I'd recommend dropping about $300.00 for two lower bowl seats to a low profile game with someone you like and who has a curiosity about the game to see if it has any interest. On the other hand, I really wouldn't think of dropping that amount for a pro basketball game even as a curiosity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Well yeah, though I have never watched an entire game I have seen highlights on ESPN Sports center so I think I am aware of those aspects of Ice Hockey. Anyway I will respond after work and you can skip it and read it tomorrow. On May 15, 2013, at 4:59 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey Ravi, I'm in a happy mood right now. Can't even think about entertaining any kind of negativity. Sports-fan Syndrome? Have to think about that. Can't say that I am that big of a sports fan. Yes, I do like hockey, perhaps because I often get free tickets, and my boys both play inline hockey. (quite a step down in prestige, and yes, expense, from ice hockey, but fun nonetheless) But hockey fans are a somewhat different breed of sports fan. I mean, players are out on the ice for about 90 seconds in a full sprint, rest for a two or three minutes, then out for another 90 second sprint. Unless they get in a fight of course. And the glass separating the fans from the players is about 5/8's of an inch thick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Thanks Steve. This is fair enough that you think we are good writers, steadily, stealthily trying to ferret out the truth one's not willing to acknowledge. So I have nothing to be wary of Robin then - you made it seem something sinister by referring to Robin and I was afraid you were going to come up with one or more of the following - 1) Ravi is a fundamentalist trying to use shame to control others (Share) 2) Ravi suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Barry) 3) Ravi is processing undirected anger to make up for his emptiness (Barry) 4) Ravi is indulging in incoherent rants (Curtis) 5) Ravi indulges in word-salad indicative of disassociation (Curtis) You, my friend are in a very better shape than I imagined - clearly in a better, healthier frame of mind - emotionally, psychologically than Share, Barry and Curtis. Anyway I officially have a diagnosis for you - The Sports-fan Syndrome. I will get to that in your other email. On May 15, 2013, at 5:11 AM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Hey Ravi, thanks for the question. I think Robin is a good writer. I think you are good writer. I mean it's remarkable what proficiency you have in a language that is not your mother tongue. But yes, I do perceive some Robin creep* in some of the expressions you use, but more importantly, in your overall philosophy. You know, this notion, this perceived ability to ferret out the truth of what a person may be unwilling to acknowledge. This ability to know if what they are saying is properly aligned with reality. * creep in verb sense, not adjective sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: What does this really mean Steve - clearly it's an honor to be compared to Robin, especially if it is in his writing style but then we will always be very different in our writing styles and I will never be emulate him in his writing. You are out of your mind to even suggest that. Robin's influence is in other areas, definitely an important one in my life. If there's any reason you think why I should be wary of him - please summarize so we can discuss it in a conventional way. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@: ** It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
[FairfieldLife] Why I love Paris
You can be yourself here, and get away with it. Salvador Dali, 1969, walking his anteater: [https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/248045_605900259420553_6514\ 48798_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Saint Jayne Mansfield
by Vicki Berndt: http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/2013/Berndt/Berndt_LG_Saint-Jayne-Mansfield.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Hitler saluting troops
Hitler saluting troops of the Condor Legion, returning from Spain: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/8/78505.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Jackson, Travolta, Keitel, and Tarantino
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/8/79749.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations! From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions. So I guess I'm a pretty guilty party. You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago. BTW, neat story about your current working assignment. It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for those (few) who might be interested: IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award for Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information Industry Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the software and digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a prestigious honor as winners are reviewed and chosen by software industry executives and SIIA member votes. http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
Wow, Barry. NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the people who understand what you are all doing think it is really good. Congrats. Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as it grows (computers etc) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations! From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions. So I guess I'm a pretty guilty party. You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago. BTW, neat story about your current working assignment. It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for those (few) who might be interested: IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award for Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information Industry Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the software and digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a prestigious honor as winners are reviewed and chosen by software industry executives and SIIA member votes. http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: PS: I imagine Barry, since you most likely won't respond to me directly and if my limited forum observations are correct and if you choose to address anything I stated, you will do so in an indirect manner with a new topic and without naming names. Nonsense. I will ignore it -- and you -- completely. Well, not quite completely. Are you always so unpleasant to the human race, Barry? I mean, who made you King of the Grumps? My God, let's hope you are never reliant on anyone to be kind to you in any hour of need. I am not sure your so-called collective karma would exactly summon forth the angels of mercy. Watch out because fear and suffering can make blubbering, helpless wretches of us all - often begging for some human warmth and comfort in our darker hours. Have a nice day. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp update some months back. From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the Hate Brigade. (Does make others part of the Love Brigade?) Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with. Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult? I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Give me something Steve. You realize Ravi, that is was a common Robin refrain. Well, no, Steve, it wasn't. He never used that phrase, to anyone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pure Gold spoons
It's cheaper and probably healthier to eat with your fingers. Definite coherence between food and body. People have been doing it for absolute ages. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ You gone git one? A whole set. I wonder if this is an official TMO site? Seems not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pure Gold spoons
According to John Douillard, many years ago, eating with hands opens the marma points. Makes sense to me. Plus so much more fun! From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pure Gold spoons It's cheaper and probably healthier to eat with your fingers. Definite coherence between food and body. People have been doing it for absolute ages. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ You gone git one? A whole set. I wonder if this is an official TMO site? Seems not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Dr, that is not the way love flows. You do not ask for it. If you have it it flows out, and whatever it comes in contact with either accepts or deflects. I think it would be difficult to judge based on his interactions with the strange bunch that we are on FFL. We do not know much about his non-posting private life. He has a job; he has friends, he seems to like where he lives and works. Our personas here, while they may reflect 'who we are' in some way, are probably largely fictional and artificial compared to the way we act with real people, real time. This is the place where we dump our monsters of the id. This place is the toilet of spirituality. Barry probably has to take a dump once in a while, and so he comes here, briefly, to unload in kind. It is called reciprocity. Oh Xeno, you are a tolerant one. And you are mistaken here. Barry is very consistent in how he portrays himself at FFL. You have to be reflecting something pretty basic to your fundamental character to be able to do that day after day. Accept it, this person that you tend to forever give the benefit of the doubt to is not some children's party clown on his free weekends nor does he volunteer at his local dog shelter or soup kitchen. This is a man who has spent almost two decades dumping on people and resisting the natural inclination to be a social animal in the more positive sense. If I made myself respond to people the way he does for just a 24 hour period I would feel wretched and drained. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey Carol, Barry is the most emotionally needy person on this board. Trouble is, his heart is so atrophied, that the only way he knows to ask for love, is by making abusive comments so that others will slap him down. Now he can barely tell the difference between his need and the inevitable response. At least a slap indicates some sort of attention for him. One sad old fuck, that one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Barry, I feel sure you will not respond to me because you never have, other than to accuse me (with false statements, btw) when I posted here with a Knapp update some months back. From my perusals here on FFL, you have mentioned more than once about how you do not interact with people whom you deem not worth your time and whom you feel are just out to manipulate you. Now certain folks are part of the Hate Brigade. (Does make others part of the Love Brigade?) Then you admonish or reprimand or point out to certain posters their (the posters') mistakes (or stupidity, if I recall correctly) in continuing to communicate with people whom you deem not worthy to communicate with. Aren't others on this board adults and able to make their own decisions regarding how they choose to interact with others on this forum? From the bit I've read the people you admonish never ask for your advice/suggestions. What's up with that? You trying to start your own little forum cult? I've read a few times where you throw out the narcissistic accusation. It seems to me that you have a bit of it going on yourself with the pronouncements of who is worth communicating with and who isn't. What good is it to dehumanize others and deem them unworthy to communicate with, putting yourself on some higher plane? It just promotes more us/them camps. Not that you care; I imagine you don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It had a Robin feel to me Judy. Lately, much of what Ravi writes has a Robin feel. I can certainly see that. There is the same narcissism, and the same tendency to take words and buzz-phrases used by other people and parrot them as if they actually understood what the words meant. And they both seem to have graduated with honors from the same Bad Writing 101 class, while having skipped the How To Write Something Original And/Or Creative classes, preferring to smoke cigarettes in the schoolyard instead. :-) There is ALSO, I might mention, the same delight that they take in finding someone -- ANYONE -- who will keep replying to them on FFL, as if they were actually worth replying to. These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27
[FairfieldLife] Re: ANCIENT ANTHROPOLOGY REVISED: Internet Radio, Article by Sasha Lessin, Ph.D. (A
Oh GN, you just had to throw another one of these things into the fray, didn't you? I'm not chomping on it this time as tempting as it may be; although the last time you did this I had some fun with it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Goddess Ninmah janetlessin@... wrote: ANCIENT ANTHROPOLOGY REVISED: Internet Radio, Article by Sasha Lessin, Ph.D. (Anthropolgy, UCLA) and Illustrations Giant gods of the ancient world and the successors they choose created mind-sets that shackle us to short desperate lives. In this internet radio show, you learn how these so-called gods rocketed to Earth from a planet they called Nibiru. Nibirans stand way taller8-12 feet tall and live way longerhundreds of thousands years than we. These ETs from Nibiru said they bred us as short term slaves and soldiers. We killed in their names: Allah (= Sumerian, Marduk or Nannar), Yahweh (sometimes = Enlil, at times Adad or even Enki) and, Ishtar (Inanna)mining expedition personnel all, all Nibirans. We Earthlings are one species, designed to serve in mines, armies, businesses, schools, governments, farms, factories, and building projects for ETs and the royal lines of ever-murderous hybrid rulers they begat. Click arrow for radio interview, article and illustrations http://worldpeaceassociation.com/2013/05/15/ancient-anthopology-revised-internet-radio-article-by-sasha-lessin-ph-d-and-illustrations/
[FairfieldLife] Pot Could Save the USA
Says Tommy Chong. That's a lot of smoking to eliminate the national debt. http://www.inquisitr.com/663197/tommy-chong-legalizing-marijuana-could-save-united-states/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Saint Jayne Mansfield
I guess that portrait was done before she lost her head. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: by Vicki Berndt: http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/2013/Berndt/Berndt_LG_Saint-Jayne-Mansfield.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Wow, Barry. NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the people who understand what you are all doing think it is really good. Congrats. Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as it grows (computers etc) Remember Share, he is not your friend and doesn't give a shit how many compliments you give him. But carry on believin'. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations! From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions. So I guess I'm a pretty guilty party. You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago. BTW, neat story about your current working assignment. It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for those (few) who might be interested: IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award for Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information Industry Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the software and digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a prestigious honor as winners are reviewed and chosen by software industry executives and SIIA member votes. http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: Saint Jayne Mansfield
Jayne Mansfield was rumored to have been involved with a satanic cult. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: by Vicki Berndt: http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/2013/Berndt/Berndt_LG_Saint-Jayne-Mansfield.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Saint Jayne Mansfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Jayne Mansfield was rumored to have been involved with a satanic cult. I think it is called alcohol. Turns otherwise wonderful individuals into real devils sometimes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: by Vicki Berndt: http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/2013/Berndt/Berndt_LG_Saint-Jayne-Mansfield.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: (snip) God does play dice, but He can calculate the odds to infinity. Bottom line: When you're talking about God, all bets are off. I wasn't and nor was Einstein. Well, *somebody* was, and you quoted him or her. It's a paraphrase from Einstein but when physicists say god they just mean nature, but not in the way that Marshy meant nature. He meant god. I will make a bet that there isn't one though. I wouldn't take the bet, because I *can't* calculate the odds to infinity. Why would you need to. It's a simple Occams razor thing, if there is no need for something, don't invent it. (snip) CAVEAT: I have no idea if Hagelin is right. I just resist on principle ruling stuff out at the God level. Why? Man invented god as a way of explaining things he didn't understand. Sure of that, are ya? Yup, and it's perfectly natural to find something complex and assume that it must have been created by something more complex. This was Darwins genius as he showed it isn't the case where biology is concerned. It isn't like god is a discovery as in Hey who's that over there with the long beard? And it isn't like god is an efficient explanation for anything which is what you want from a theory. You can always spot a bad idea because they raise more questions than they answer. The reason physicists don't believe in quantum god theories is that they make the universe more complex where it should be getting less complex. And it's unnecessary. God is our vanity. I *will* bet you that there are a whole lot of things we will never understand. We might as well call them God. You think there are things that can't be understood? Interesting. Things move on, Hagelin wants to keep us in the bronze age because it helps sell yagyas and golden spoons.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pure Gold spoons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: It's cheaper and probably healthier to eat with your fingers. Definite coherence between food and body. People have been doing it for absolute ages. Until someone civilised invented cutlery! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jackson Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Pure Gold spoons http://coherenttimes.wordpress.com/gold/ You gone git one? A whole set. I wonder if this is an official TMO site? Seems not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Coping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Wow, Barry. NOt my area of expertise at all, but sounds as if the people who understand what you are all doing think it is really good. Congrats. Nice to be part of a field at its inception and then as it grows (computers etc) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: turq, if this is what you've been working on, congratulations! From my point of view the product has a long way to go before it's really as good as the SIIA thinks, but it's gettin' there. For the record, neither IBM nor ILOG invented Worklight; it was designed by an Israeli company that IBM bought. But in the time since the acquisition (a little over a year) IBM has grown the product tremendously, from the nice idea, but poorly realized stage to the really starting to get there stage. It's simply amazing to learn how much there is TO writing professional mobile apps, whether they be for phones or tablet computers or whatever. It isn't just home programmers writing Angry Birds and selling it for $1.99 a download any more. Apps that are business- worthy need to have full security and be as bullet- proof as any other modern software system. Worklight is just a development tool that makes it easier to build those types of apps. Our real-life customers include banks, health care providers, airlines, transportation firms, etc. It's truly amazing what these tiny computers-in-our-pockets can do. We've got one customer whose app senses that truck drivers are approaching the warehouse for a delivery (via geo-location) and has a crew waiting at the loading dock ready to unload the moment they drive up. Sounds simple, but this simple change of procedure saved the company millions of dollars in lost time since it's been implemented. As Susan says, it's fun to be part of something that is hanging ten on waves of the future... From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Coping --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: These days, Steve, you're pretty much It for the Hate Brigade, since you're one of the only people who will bother even trying to interact with them as if they might have something to say. I think that's magnanimous and compassionate of you, but to them it just makes you a target. I admit Barry, I find FFL rather dull without those interactions. So I guess I'm a pretty guilty party. You've definitely got a point there about FFL as a whole. :-) If you're having fun interacting with these folks, by all means continue. It stopped being even interesting for me some time ago. BTW, neat story about your current working assignment. It's an interesting project. News about it arrived today, for those (few) who might be interested: IBM Worklight Wins SIIA CODiE Award IBM Worklight was just announced as the winner of the 2013 CODiE Award for Best Mobile Development Solution by the Software and Information Industry Association (SIIA), the principal trade association for the software and digital content industries. The SIIA CODiE Award win is a prestigious honor as winners are reviewed and chosen by software industry executives and SIIA member votes. http://www.siia.net/codies/2013/winners_detail.asp?nID=480Â
