[FairfieldLife] EEG-only part of presentation by Alaric Arenander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_b-LS6SzQlist=PLtEqJ26h_QtSXazexpFjLPtcTH1oSD31z https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_b-LS6SzQlist=PLtEqJ26h_QtSXazexpFjLPtcTH1oSD31z For those who didn't want to watch all of the presentation by Alaric, here's the most important bit all by itself: the EEG traces themselves. L
RE: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Only a cult apologist would say that, Rick. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : To say that “black and white thinking is EXACTLY what the TMO engages in and exactly how they advertise TM” is itself an expression of black and white thinking. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Michael, now you're making a blanket and thus invalid statement! Are you saying that everyone in the TMO engages in black and white thinking all the time?! Even from the point of view of logic, how could that possibly be true?! But as a counter example, how about what Rick recently posted from Hagelin about the community? Was every sentence of that an expression of black and white thinking?! On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:44 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote: you ignore the fact that black and white thinking is EXACTLY what what the TMO engages in and exactly how they advertise TM - if you believe them, one size does fit all.
[FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies?
You've gotta admit...it *does* explain the group apologetics thang. It also explains FFL cliques... http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/39595/title/Oxytocin-Boosts-Dishonesty/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies?
From http://www.chopra.com/files/newsletter/Apr12/Apr12-Meditation.html What happens in the brain during meditation? The emotional effects of sitting quieting and going within are profound. The deep state of rest produced by meditation triggers the brain to release neurotransmitters, including dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, and endorphins. Each of these naturally occurring brain chemicals has been linked to different aspects of happiness: ... Oxytocin (the same chemical whose levels rise during sexual arousal and breastfeeding), is a pleasure hormone. It creates feelings of calm, contentment, and security, while reducing fear and anxiety. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 8:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies? You've gotta admit...it *does* explain the group apologetics thang. It also explains FFL cliques... http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/39595/title/Oxytocin-Boosts-Dishonesty/
[FairfieldLife] Research Shows Group Meditation Can Reduce Crime Rates
Along with the mounting medical evidence of the various health benefits of meditation, research shows group meditation can actually reduce crime rates in the greater population. http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/research-shows-group-meditation-can-reduce-crime-rates/ http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/research-shows-group-meditation-can-reduce-crime-rates/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal
Scorpion Nation? Ah, that takes me back. 2005 it was, the TMO in the UK had always been strong, and generous, we had three large academies, a purpose built town and a network of lively centres. Marshy's favourite group of devotees, always willing to cough up for yagyas and any other project that came along. Quite the role model for a perfect society you'd think. I was living in a TM centre at the time, not as a devotee, I just needed somewhere to live. They had closed all the academies to pay for the pundit project and encourage us to build vastu ones. Even the one I lived in which was pretty annoying but there you are. But I wasn't a believer at that point, not by a long stretch. I'd seen enough fraud and flakery and was there strictly as a take what you need and leave the rest type. And even that was wearing thin, I was having to avoid all broadcasts on the Marshy channel because they made my skin crawl, except for the weekly press conference. Wish I'd taped some of that, that would be youtube gold. Especially the one where Marshy said that the reason the US hadn't caught Bin Laden was because of our coherence creating and laughed! A surreal and disturbing moment and Hagelin tried to deny he'd meant that but the journalist wasn't convinced, me neither. Anyway, after the Iraq invasion Marshy decided that was the last straw and called the office at Skem to tell the assembled governors that he was closing the movement in the UK as our national consciousness was too poisonous to deserve what he was offering. Amid all the wailing, tears and protests Marshy asked if there was any good reason why he shouldn't. Wish I'd been there to answer that, first there is the obvious illogic of the feeding nectar to the scorpion if the ME worked then we need more TM not less. If it doesn't work we might as well carry on regardless. The idea that there is a critical mass whereby the ME is bad until the threshold is passed and then it becomes good is another layer of madness on top of all the others. It did him no favours. Then there's the political argument. No one liked Tony Blair, he just wasn't as bad as the opposition. That's how democracy works, it's a crap system of government but better than the alternative. Nobody prioritised war when they voted as every party was in favour anyway. Most of the western world went along with the idea that it would be quick and painless and we'd be rid of a vile dictator and be able to control the oil supply much easier. I don't know what the real reason was, maybe Marshy actually believed his delusions about the world, maybe he felt he had to act like it was all real regardless of whether it made sense or not. Maybe he was just nuts at that point, but he'd done it before with Denmark (?) for something to do with the national leader saying the wrong thing, can't remember what happened but it was well trivial. The whole concept is petty and spiteful and really upset a lot of friends of mine who sincerely believe all this stuff. It seemed like a sort of megalomania but he gave everyone the idea he was doing it for their own good. Narcissism? Paranoia? They say he tripled the price because a group of teachers from the UK asked him to lower it. Anyway, I laughed when I heard about Scorpion land. It was the icing on the cake really. I went off Marshy very early on, I didn't believe a word of the vedic science I thought Tony Nader and John Hagelin were either insane or lying. I couldn't watch 10 minutes of the channel without shuddering in terror. Then I heard about the Kaplan letter and joined FFL so I could read it in the files section. And then I thought I'd make just one post ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sal, having been highly entertained by some references you have made regarding the scorpion nation deal, I wanted to ask if you remember where you were and what your reaction was upon hearing of the Old Goat's condemnation of your country? Just curious.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies?
Maybe this explains why Nabby hates Buddhists so much, why Buck has such vehemence for those he calls non-meditators, and why other long-term TMers seem so homophobic. Their TM-enhanced oxytocin levels make them biased towards people they perceive as their group. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21220339 Oxytocin promotes human ethnocentrism. De Dreu CK1, Greer LL, Van Kleef GA, Shalvi S, Handgraaf MJ. Author information Abstract Human ethnocentrism--the tendency to view one's group as centrally important and superior to other groups--creates intergroup bias that fuels prejudice, xenophobia, and intergroup violence. Grounded in the idea that ethnocentrism also facilitates within-group trust, cooperation, and coordination, we conjecture that ethnocentrism may be modulated by brain oxytocin, a peptide shown to promote cooperation among in-group members. In double-blind, placebo-controlled designs, males self-administered oxytocin or placebo and privately performed computer-guided tasks to gauge different manifestations of ethnocentric in-group favoritism as well as out-group derogation. Experiments 1 and 2 used the Implicit Association Test to assess in-group favoritism and out-group derogation. Experiment 3 used the infrahumanization task to assess the extent to which humans ascribe secondary, uniquely human emotions to their in-group and to an out-group. Experiments 4 and 5 confronted participants with the option to save the life of a larger collective by sacrificing one individual, nominated as in-group or as out-group. Results show that oxytocin creates intergroup bias because oxytocin motivates in-group favoritism and, to a lesser extent, out-group derogation. These findings call into question the view of oxytocin as an indiscriminate love drug or cuddle chemical and suggest that oxytocin has a role in the emergence of intergroup conflict and violence. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies? From http://www.chopra.com/files/newsletter/Apr12/Apr12-Meditation.html What happens in the brain during meditation? The emotional effects of sitting quieting and going within are profound. The deep state of rest produced by meditation triggers the brain to release neurotransmitters, including dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, and endorphins. Each of these naturally occurring brain chemicals has been linked to different aspects of happiness: ... Oxytocin (the same chemical whose levels rise during sexual arousal and breastfeeding), is a pleasure hormone. It creates feelings of calm, contentment, and security, while reducing fear and anxiety. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 8:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies? You've gotta admit...it *does* explain the group apologetics thang. It also explains FFL cliques... http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/39595/title/Oxytocin-Boosts-Dishonesty/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies?
And here's what explains Judy Stein -- enhanced levels of oxytocin from TM in conjunction with Borderline Personality Disorder: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21115541 Oxytocin can hinder trust and cooperation in borderline personality disorder. Bartz J1, Simeon D, Hamilton H, Kim S, Crystal S, Braun A, Vicens V, Hollander E. Author information Abstract We investigated the effects of intranasal oxytocin (OXT) on trust and cooperation in borderline personality disorder (BPD), a disorder marked by interpersonal instability and difficulties with cooperation. Although studies in healthy adults show that intranasal OXT increases trust, individuals with BPD may show an altered response to exogenous OXT because the effects of OXT on trust and pro-social behavior may vary depending on the relationship representations and expectations people possess and/or altered OXT system functioning in BPD. BPD and control participants received intranasal OXT and played a social dilemma game with a partner. Results showed that OXT produced divergent effects in BPD participants, decreasing trust and the likelihood of cooperative responses. Additional analyses focusing on individual differences in attachment anxiety and avoidance across BPD and control participants indicate that these divergent effects were driven by the anxiously attached, rejection-sensitive participants. These data suggest that OXT does not uniformly facilitate trust and pro-social behavior in humans; indeed, OXT may impede trust and pro-social behavior depending on chronic interpersonal insecurities, and/or possible neurochemical differences in the OXT system. Although popularly dubbed the 'hormone of love', these data suggest a more circumspect answer to the question of who will benefit from OXT. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies? Maybe this explains why Nabby hates Buddhists so much, why Buck has such vehemence for those he calls non-meditators, and why other long-term TMers seem so homophobic. Their TM-enhanced oxytocin levels make them biased towards people they perceive as their group. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21220339 Oxytocin promotes human ethnocentrism. De Dreu CK1, Greer LL, Van Kleef GA, Shalvi S, Handgraaf MJ. Author information Abstract Human ethnocentrism--the tendency to view one's group as centrally important and superior to other groups--creates intergroup bias that fuels prejudice, xenophobia, and intergroup violence. Grounded in the idea that ethnocentrism also facilitates within-group trust, cooperation, and coordination, we conjecture that ethnocentrism may be modulated by brain oxytocin, a peptide shown to promote cooperation among in-group members. In double-blind, placebo-controlled designs, males self-administered oxytocin or placebo and privately performed computer-guided tasks to gauge different manifestations of ethnocentric in-group favoritism as well as out-group derogation. Experiments 1 and 2 used the Implicit Association Test to assess in-group favoritism and out-group derogation. Experiment 3 used the infrahumanization task to assess the extent to which humans ascribe secondary, uniquely human emotions to their in-group and to an out-group. Experiments 4 and 5 confronted participants with the option to save the life of a larger collective by sacrificing one individual, nominated as in-group or as out-group. Results show that oxytocin creates intergroup bias because oxytocin motivates in-group favoritism and, to a lesser extent, out-group derogation. These findings call into question the view of oxytocin as an indiscriminate love drug or cuddle chemical and suggest that oxytocin has a role in the emergence of intergroup conflict and violence. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies? From http://www.chopra.com/files/newsletter/Apr12/Apr12-Meditation.html What happens in the brain during meditation? The emotional effects of sitting quieting and going within are profound. The deep state of rest produced by meditation triggers the brain to release neurotransmitters, including dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, and endorphins. Each of these naturally occurring brain chemicals has been linked to different aspects of happiness: ... Oxytocin (the same chemical whose levels rise during sexual arousal and breastfeeding), is a pleasure hormone. It creates feelings of calm, contentment, and security, while reducing fear and anxiety. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies?
And finally, here's what explains the incredible levels of envy we see in Willytex, Jim (Doctordumbass), Nabby, Judy, and others here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19640508 Intranasal administration of oxytocin increases envy and schadenfreude (gloating). Shamay-Tsoory SG1, Fischer M, Dvash J, Harari H, Perach-Bloom N, Levkovitz Y. Author information Abstract BACKGROUND: Humans have a strong social tendency to compare themselves with others. We tend to feel envious when we receive less valuable rewards and may rejoice when our payoffs are more advantageous. Envy and schadenfreude (gloating over the other's misfortune) are social emotions widely agreed to be a symptom of the human social tendency to compare one's payoffs with those of others. Given the important social components of envy and gloating, we speculated that oxytocin may have a modulating effect on the intensity of these emotions. METHODS: Fifty-six participants participated in this double-blind, placebo-controlled, within-subject study. Following the administration of oxytocin or a placebo, participants played a game of chance with another (fake) participant who either won more money (envy manipulation), lost more money (schadenfreude manipulation), or won/lost equal amounts of money. RESULTS: In comparison with the placebo, oxytocin increased the envy ratings during unequal monetary gain conditions involving relative loss (when the participant gained less money than another player). Oxytocin also increased the ratings of gloating during relative gain conditions (when the participant gained more money than the other player). By contrast, oxytocin had no effect on the emotional ratings following equal monetary gains nor did it affect general mood ratings. CONCLUSIONS: These results suggest that the oxytocinergic system is involved in modulating envy and gloating. Thus, contrary to the prevailing belief that this system is involved solely in positive prosocial behaviors, it probably plays a key role in a wider range of social emotion-related behaviors. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies? And here's what explains Judy Stein -- enhanced levels of oxytocin from TM in conjunction with Borderline Personality Disorder: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21115541 Oxytocin can hinder trust and cooperation in borderline personality disorder. Bartz J1, Simeon D, Hamilton H, Kim S, Crystal S, Braun A, Vicens V, Hollander E. Author information Abstract We investigated the effects of intranasal oxytocin (OXT) on trust and cooperation in borderline personality disorder (BPD), a disorder marked by interpersonal instability and difficulties with cooperation. Although studies in healthy adults show that intranasal OXT increases trust, individuals with BPD may show an altered response to exogenous OXT because the effects of OXT on trust and pro-social behavior may vary depending on the relationship representations and expectations people possess and/or altered OXT system functioning in BPD. BPD and control participants received intranasal OXT and played a social dilemma game with a partner. Results showed that OXT produced divergent effects in BPD participants, decreasing trust and the likelihood of cooperative responses. Additional analyses focusing on individual differences in attachment anxiety and avoidance across BPD and control participants indicate that these divergent effects were driven by the anxiously attached, rejection-sensitive participants. These data suggest that OXT does not uniformly facilitate trust and pro-social behavior in humans; indeed, OXT may impede trust and pro-social behavior depending on chronic interpersonal insecurities, and/or possible neurochemical differences in the OXT system. Although popularly dubbed the 'hormone of love', these data suggest a more circumspect answer to the question of who will benefit from OXT. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies? Maybe this explains why Nabby hates Buddhists so much, why Buck has such vehemence for those he calls non-meditators, and why other long-term TMers seem so homophobic. Their TM-enhanced oxytocin levels make them biased towards people they perceive as their group. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21220339 Oxytocin promotes human ethnocentrism. De Dreu CK1, Greer LL, Van Kleef GA, Shalvi S, Handgraaf MJ. Author information Abstract Human ethnocentrism--the tendency to view one's group as centrally important and superior to other groups--creates intergroup bias that fuels prejudice, xenophobia, and
[FairfieldLife] Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?
I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the disconnect they seem to have between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects -- and the *obvious* contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a way to ignore or deny. TMers cling to the 100% positive meme even if they have witnessed with their own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent days, weeks, or months in the heavy unstressing groups themselves. What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels? High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the blissninny phenomenon, and why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced affinity they feel for the group (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about non-meditators or Nabby's rants about Buddhists) who are NOT in the group. It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say untruthful things to protect the group. Who, after all, would smuggle huge sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* dosed with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO does business, and why otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to the group. High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put down practitioners of other forms of meditation who get more scientific press than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. I think there is meat here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to produce other, far less positive results. Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects. And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to believe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies?
Who would envy strainers ? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. It made me laugh Here's another one: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the disconnect they seem to have between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects -- and the *obvious* contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a way to ignore or deny. TMers cling to the 100% positive meme even if they have witnessed with their own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent days, weeks, or months in the heavy unstressing groups themselves. What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels? High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the blissninny phenomenon, and why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced affinity they feel for the group (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about non-meditators or Nabby's rants about Buddhists) who are NOT in the group. It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say untruthful things to protect the group. Who, after all, would smuggle huge sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* dosed with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO does business, and why otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to the group. High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put down practitioners of other forms of meditation who get more scientific press than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. I think there is meat here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to produce other, far less positive results. Could be another job for Susan Blackmore. Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects. How about TM and anger problems. Seems like a lot of people get stroppy and intense when they are rounding or living in academies. I certainly did, especially after prog. Unstressing of course, but damn persistent. A rich seam of research is waiting someone. And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to believe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal
So at what point did the price raising come? What I mean is, did M raise the price of TM and exhort everyone to teach as many as possible which resulted in some Governors going rogue and teaching for a lesser price directly contrary to what Marshy wanted before the scorpion nation deal? Or did that happen after The UK was no longer a scorpion nation? And who was it that stood up in the conference call and suggested lowering the price, was it Chris Greathead or Colin Beckley? On Wed, 4/2/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 9:13 Scorpion Nation? Ah, that takes me back. 2005 it was, the TMO in the UK had always been strong, and generous, we had three large academies, a purpose built town and a network of lively centres. Marshy's favourite group of devotees, always willing to cough up for yagyas and any other project that came along. Quite the role model for a perfect society you'd think. I was living in a TM centre at the time, not as a devotee, I just needed somewhere to live. They had closed all the academies to pay for the pundit project and encourage us to build vastu ones. Even the one I lived in which was pretty annoying but there you are. But I wasn't a believer at that point, not by a long stretch. I'd seen enough fraud and flakery and was there strictly as a take what you need and leave the rest type. And even that was wearing thin, I was having to avoid all broadcasts on the Marshy channel because they made my skin crawl, except for the weekly press conference. Wish I'd taped some of that, that would be youtube gold. Especially the one where Marshy said that the reason the US hadn't caught Bin Laden was because of our coherence creating and laughed! A surreal and disturbing moment and Hagelin tried to deny he'd meant that but the journalist wasn't convinced, me neither. Anyway, after the Iraq invasion Marshy decided that was the last straw and called the office at Skem to tell the assembled governors that he was closing the movement in the UK as our national consciousness was too poisonous to deserve what he was offering. Amid all the wailing, tears and protests Marshy asked if there was any good reason why he shouldn't. Wish I'd been there to answer that, first there is the obvious illogic of the feeding nectar to the scorpion if the ME worked then we need more TM not less. If it doesn't work we might as well carry on regardless. The idea that there is a critical mass whereby the ME is bad until the threshold is passed and then it becomes good is another layer of madness on top of all the others. It did him no favours. Then there's the political argument. No one liked Tony Blair, he just wasn't as bad as the opposition. That's how democracy works, it's a crap system of government but better than the alternative. Nobody prioritised war when they voted as every party was in favour anyway. Most of the western world went along with the idea that it would be quick and painless and we'd be rid of a vile dictator and be able to control the oil supply much easier. I don't know what the real reason was, maybe Marshy actually believed his delusions about the world, maybe he felt he had to act like it was all real regardless of whether it made sense or not. Maybe he was just nuts at that point, but he'd done it before with Denmark (?) for something to do with the national leader saying the wrong thing, can't remember what happened but it was well trivial. The whole concept is petty and spiteful and really upset a lot of friends of mine who sincerely believe all this stuff. It seemed like a sort of megalomania but he gave everyone the idea he was doing it for their own good. Narcissism? Paranoia? They say he tripled the price because a group of teachers from the UK asked him to lower it. Anyway, I laughed when I heard about Scorpion land. It was the icing on the cake really. I went off Marshy very early on, I didn't believe a word of the vedic science I thought Tony Nader and John Hagelin were either insane or lying. I couldn't watch 10 minutes of the channel without shuddering in terror. Then I heard about the Kaplan letter and joined FFL so I could read it in the files section. And then I thought I'd make just one post ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sal, having been highly entertained by some references you have made regarding the scorpion nation deal, I wanted to ask if you remember where you were and what your reaction was upon hearing of the Old Goat's condemnation of your country? Just curious.
[FairfieldLife] For what it might be worth
Well, I guess this is one point of view: it's from Tom Ball's meditation asheville website. The TM program's founder, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, was a monk and never accepted monetary offerings for himself (or any gift other than, say, a flower). But he did create a non-profit teaching organization that needed funds to sustain itself—accomplished by establishing a standard tuition for the seven-step TM course. Asking the student to give something back for learning is not unusual. In the great traditions of meditation, there's a longstanding precedence of students paying a fee to learn. In the oldest and probably most venerated tradition of meditation on earth, the Vedic tradition, it has been the custom for thousands of years for the student to approach the teacher with a gift in exchange for learning. The purpose of this gift, traditionally called dakshina or gurudakshina, is not to benefit the teacher but to show respect and demonstrate the student's readiness and receptivity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So at what point did the price raising come? Long before we became Scorpionland, about 1999 during or just before the NATO strike on Yugoslavia. But it went up even more just before the Iraq war. I'm not saying there is a connection myself. It was just a constant game to raise money. It backfired anyway. What I mean is, did M raise the price of TM and exhort everyone to teach as many as possible which resulted in some Governors going rogue and teaching for a lesser price directly contrary to what Marshy wanted before the scorpion nation deal? Yes. Or did that happen after The UK was no longer a scorpion nation? And who was it that stood up in the conference call and suggested lowering the price, was it Chris Greathead or Colin Beckley? LOL, it was Colin. I sat in on that one and applauded his balls in standing up for himself. It went like this Maharishi wants us to concentrate on raising coherence and to do this we need more people doing group flying but mostly we need new meditators Colin Beckley says Well why don't we lower the price so we can teach more! Seemed reasonable but you don't question decisions of the reesh, especially with non-governors listening in. It went on for ages getting really heated. Most teachers would argue that the amount they teach stays the same regardless of cost and that high prices encourage people who are more likely to keep doing it. I think that's a bit of True Believerism myself, adjusting your beliefs to stay in favour when things are beyond your control. Colin's point was that he taught in an area with a large student population and they'd always laugh when he told them the price at the end of an intro talk. Most students struggle to buy second hand clothes let alone fork out £500 for meditation classes. I never met Colin but he was apparently a keen and devoted teacher who thought that Marshy had made a big mistake. Of course, the idea that Marshy was capable of making mistakes is enough to seriously raise eyebrows. Anyway, he quit after that. But after Marshy died the price came down very swiftly to it's current structure which matches to earnings, and then you can get grants from David Lynch I think. On Wed, 4/2/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 9:13 Scorpion Nation? Ah, that takes me back. 2005 it was, the TMO in the UK had always been strong, and generous, we had three large academies, a purpose built town and a network of lively centres. Marshy's favourite group of devotees, always willing to cough up for yagyas and any other project that came along. Quite the role model for a perfect society you'd think. I was living in a TM centre at the time, not as a devotee, I just needed somewhere to live. They had closed all the academies to pay for the pundit project and encourage us to build vastu ones. Even the one I lived in which was pretty annoying but there you are. But I wasn't a believer at that point, not by a long stretch. I'd seen enough fraud and flakery and was there strictly as a take what you need and leave the rest type. And even that was wearing thin, I was having to avoid all broadcasts on the Marshy channel because they made my skin crawl, except for the weekly press conference. Wish I'd taped some of that, that would be youtube gold. Especially the one where Marshy said that the reason the US hadn't caught Bin Laden was because of our coherence creating and laughed! A surreal and disturbing moment and Hagelin tried to deny he'd meant that but the journalist wasn't convinced, me neither. Anyway, after the Iraq invasion Marshy decided that was the last straw and called the office at Skem to tell the assembled governors that he was closing the movement in the UK as our national consciousness was too poisonous to deserve what he was offering. Amid all the wailing, tears and protests Marshy asked if there was any good reason why he shouldn't. Wish I'd been there to answer that, first there is the obvious illogic of the feeding nectar to the scorpion if the ME worked then we need more TM not less. If it doesn't work we might as well carry on regardless. The idea that there is a critical mass whereby the ME is bad until the threshold is passed and then it becomes good is another layer of madness on top of all the others. It did him no favours. Then there's the political argument. No one liked Tony Blair, he just wasn't as bad as the opposition. That's how democracy works, it's a crap system of government but better than the alternative. Nobody prioritised war when they voted as every party was in favour anyway. Most of the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal
Do you reckon the regular TM leaders in the UK would ever welcome Chris and Colin back into the Certified Governor fold? On Wed, 4/2/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 11:51 AM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So at what point did the price raising come? Long before we became Scorpionland, about 1999 during or just before the NATO strike on Yugoslavia. But it went up even more just before the Iraq war. I'm not saying there is a connection myself. It was just a constant game to raise money. It backfired anyway. What I mean is, did M raise the price of TM and exhort everyone to teach as many as possible which resulted in some Governors going rogue and teaching for a lesser price directly contrary to what Marshy wanted before the scorpion nation deal? Yes. Or did that happen after The UK was no longer a scorpion nation? And who was it that stood up in the conference call and suggested lowering the price, was it Chris Greathead or Colin Beckley? LOL, it was Colin. I sat in on that one and applauded his balls in standing up for himself. It went like this Maharishi wants us to concentrate on raising coherence and to do this we need more people doing group flying but mostly we need new meditators Colin Beckley says Well why don't we lower the price so we can teach more! Seemed reasonable but you don't question decisions of the reesh, especially with non-governors listening in. It went on for ages getting really heated. Most teachers would argue that the amount they teach stays the same regardless of cost and that high prices encourage people who are more likely to keep doing it. I think that's a bit of True Believerism myself, adjusting your beliefs to stay in favour when things are beyond your control. Colin's point was that he taught in an area with a large student population and they'd always laugh when he told them the price at the end of an intro talk. Most students struggle to buy second hand clothes let alone fork out £500 for meditation classes. I never met Colin but he was apparently a keen and devoted teacher who thought that Marshy had made a big mistake. Of course, the idea that Marshy was capable of making mistakes is enough to seriously raise eyebrows. Anyway, he quit after that. But after Marshy died the price came down very swiftly to it's current structure which matches to earnings, and then you can get grants from David Lynch I think. On Wed, 4/2/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 9:13 Scorpion Nation? Ah, that takes me back. 2005 it was, the TMO in the UK had always been strong, and generous, we had three large academies, a purpose built town and a network of lively centres. Marshy's favourite group of devotees, always willing to cough up for yagyas and any other project that came along. Quite the role model for a perfect society you'd think. I was living in a TM centre at the time, not as a devotee, I just needed somewhere to live. They had closed all the academies to pay for the pundit project and encourage us to build vastu ones. Even the one I lived in which was pretty annoying but there you are. But I wasn't a believer at that point, not by a long stretch. I'd seen enough fraud and flakery and was there strictly as a take what you need and leave the rest type. And even that was wearing thin, I was having to avoid all broadcasts on the Marshy channel because they made my skin crawl, except for the weekly press conference. Wish I'd taped some of that, that would be youtube gold. Especially the one where Marshy said that the reason the US hadn't caught Bin Laden was because of our coherence creating and laughed! A surreal and disturbing moment and Hagelin tried to deny he'd meant that but the journalist wasn't convinced, me neither. Anyway, after the Iraq invasion Marshy decided that was the last straw and called the office at Skem to tell the assembled governors that he was closing the movement in the UK as our national consciousness was too poisonous to deserve what he was offering. Amid all the wailing, tears and protests Marshy asked if there was any good reason why he shouldn't. Wish I'd been there to answer that, first there is the obvious illogic of the feeding nectar to the scorpion if the ME worked then we need more TM not less. If it doesn't work we might as well carry on regardless. The idea that there
[FairfieldLife] PHARRELL WILLIAMS - HAPPY (INDIA)
Enjoy ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJJJ8Vyv3ZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJJJ8Vyv3ZA
[FairfieldLife] Re: PHARRELL WILLIAMS - HAPPY (INDIA)
India? That looked like downtown Chicago. What a crock. You get that a lot. Misleading headlines, lead-ins that never materialize in the story. What a shame that they try to pull that crap on people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Enjoy ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJJJ8Vyv3ZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJJJ8Vyv3ZA
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal
I shouldn't think so, not now there's been lawyers involved, but it's not for me to say. There are all sorts of things said about Colin and the indies, that they've changed the teaching and do checks over the phone etc. Whether any of it is true I cannot say. The question is whether they would want to go back into the fold. The people I know who go on their courses prefer them to the new style TM stuff because it's just like the old days of the UK movement, with big open fires in stately homes and cosy old tapes of Marshy instead of the new ones with rama this and raja that crapping on endlessly about unified fields and invincibility and suchlike bollocks. Still, that's life. Everything changes. I was told it's called the Movement because you have to be ready to move at the drop of a hat. Gets a bit tiresome after a while. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Do you reckon the regular TM leaders in the UK would ever welcome Chris and Colin back into the Certified Governor fold?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal
rama this and raja that crapping on endlessly about unified fields and invincibility and suchlike bollocks. Oh God, Sal - that phrase made me laugh till I cried - thanks so very much! On Wed, 4/2/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 12 I shouldn't think so, not now there's been lawyers involved, but it's not for me to say. There are all sorts of things said about Colin and the indies, that they've changed the teaching and do checks over the phone etc. Whether any of it is true I cannot say. The question is whether they would want to go back into the fold. The people I know who go on their courses prefer them to the new style TM stuff because it's just like the old days of the UK movement, with big open fires in stately homes and cosy old tapes of Marshy instead of the new ones with rama this and raja that crapping on endlessly about unified fields and invincibility and suchlike bollocks. Still, that's life. Everything changes. I was told it's called the Movement because you have to be ready to move at the drop of a hat. Gets a bit tiresome after a while. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Do you reckon the regular TM leaders in the UK would ever welcome Chris and Colin back into the Certified Governor fold?
[FairfieldLife] Re: PHARRELL WILLIAMS - HAPPY (INDIA)
Starting unstressing before we watch the video are we ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : India? That looked like downtown Chicago. What a crock. You get that a lot. Misleading headlines, lead-ins that never materialize in the story. What a shame that they try to pull that crap on people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Enjoy ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJJJ8Vyv3ZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJJJ8Vyv3ZA
[FairfieldLife] Pharrell Williams Happy from Abu Dhabi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=audy0aHjdyg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=audy0aHjdyg
[FairfieldLife] Pharrell Williams - Happy WE ARE FROM PARIS
To lighten up straining Buddhists and other grumpies :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qea9evzs0So https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qea9evzs0So
[FairfieldLife] Pharrell Williams - Happy ( WE ARE FROM MOSCOW )
For all the Buddhist strainers and naysayers :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wlGiVwuuZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wlGiVwuuZA
[FairfieldLife] Pharrell Williams - HAPPY (We are from Vienna)
Don't be grumpy, be happy ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OjXQEQuPsg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OjXQEQuPsg
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Riddle of the Scorned Stalker
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiz time! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I got ten out of ten. But then, I watched Lie To Me and read the books it was based on. :-) Bawwy you are amazing. Will you marry me? No, but I'll tell you a riddle... Two women got dumped by the guys they were fixated on. The first put all her efforts into trying to destroy the guy who had dumped her. The second put all her efforts into trying to win the guy who had dumped her back. So which was the stalker? Both. The object of both women's efforts was to win back the attention of the guy who dumped her. The End It's never The End, dear Bawwy and your riddle is not a riddle at all. I've got a better one: What sounds like it's boring and seems like a tool but can't drive a point home yet keeps screwing things up? (Hint, you won't find it in a carpenter's shop.) I'll let those with a larger brain capacity try and figure this one out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the disconnect they seem to have between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects -- and the *obvious* contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a way to ignore or deny. TMers cling to the 100% positive meme even if they have witnessed with their own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent days, weeks, or months in the heavy unstressing groups themselves. What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels? High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the blissninny phenomenon, and why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced affinity they feel for the group (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about non-meditators or Nabby's rants about Buddhists) who are NOT in the group. It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say untruthful things to protect the group. Who, after all, would smuggle huge sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* dosed with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO does business, and why otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to the group. High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put down practitioners of other forms of meditation who get more scientific press than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. I think there is meat here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to produce other, far less positive results. Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects. And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to believe. Oxy moron.
[FairfieldLife] TM and the Scorpion Nation
In terms of our own natural history and sciences, very fortunately we don't got scorpions by nature in Iowa. Just the ones that get imported here. And, they don't thrive here at all in our climate, -Buck salyavin808 writes: Scorpion Nation? Ah, that takes me back. 2005 it was, the TMO in the UK had always been strong, and generous, we had three large academies, a purpose built town and a network of lively centres. Marshy's favourite group of devotees, always willing to cough up for yagyas and any other project that came along. Quite the role model for a perfect society you'd think. I was living in a TM centre at the time, not as a devotee, I just needed somewhere to live. They had closed all the academies to pay for the pundit project and encourage us to build vastu ones. Even the one I lived in which was pretty annoying but there you are. But I wasn't a believer at that point, not by a long stretch. I'd seen enough fraud and flakery and was there strictly as a take what you need and leave the rest type. And even that was wearing thin, I was having to avoid all broadcasts on the Marshy channel because they made my skin crawl, except for the weekly press conference. Wish I'd taped some of that, that would be youtube gold. Especially the one where Marshy said that the reason the US hadn't caught Bin Laden was because of our coherence creating and laughed! A surreal and disturbing moment and Hagelin tried to deny he'd meant that but the journalist wasn't convinced, me neither. Anyway, after the Iraq invasion Marshy decided that was the last straw and called the office at Skem to tell the assembled governors that he was closing the movement in the UK as our national consciousness was too poisonous to deserve what he was offering. Amid all the wailing, tears and protests Marshy asked if there was any good reason why he shouldn't. Wish I'd been there to answer that, first there is the obvious illogic of the feeding nectar to the scorpion if the ME worked then we need more TM not less. If it doesn't work we might as well carry on regardless. The idea that there is a critical mass whereby the ME is bad until the threshold is passed and then it becomes good is another layer of madness on top of all the others. It did him no favours. Then there's the political argument. No one liked Tony Blair, he just wasn't as bad as the opposition. That's how democracy works, it's a crap system of government but better than the alternative. Nobody prioritised war when they voted as every party was in favour anyway. Most of the western world went along with the idea that it would be quick and painless and we'd be rid of a vile dictator and be able to control the oil supply much easier. I don't know what the real reason was, maybe Marshy actually believed his delusions about the world, maybe he felt he had to act like it was all real regardless of whether it made sense or not. Maybe he was just nuts at that point, but he'd done it before with Denmark (?) for something to do with the national leader saying the wrong thing, can't remember what happened but it was well trivial. The whole concept is petty and spiteful and really upset a lot of friends of mine who sincerely believe all this stuff. It seemed like a sort of megalomania but he gave everyone the idea he was doing it for their own good. Narcissism? Paranoia? They say he tripled the price because a group of teachers from the UK asked him to lower it. Anyway, I laughed when I heard about Scorpion land. It was the icing on the cake really. I went off Marshy very early on, I didn't believe a word of the vedic science I thought Tony Nader and John Hagelin were either insane or lying. I couldn't watch 10 minutes of the channel without shuddering in terror. Then I heard about the Kaplan letter and joined FFL so I could read it in the files section. And then I thought I'd make just one post mjackson74 asks: Sal, having been highly entertained by some references you have made regarding the scorpion nation deal, I wanted to ask if you remember where you were and what your reaction was upon hearing of the [Maharishiji's] condemnation of your country? Just curious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are TMers Oxytocin Junkies?
This is an outstanding example of Barry's asserting something he doesn't actually believe. Or at least you have to hope that's what it is, because if he really does believe it, he's in far worse mental shape than even I thought. The obvious problem with his thesis is that while oxytocin is a great solution to all the things he claims require explanation, those things themselves are figments of his imagination. There's no group apologetics thang, no cliques on FFL. I don't have Borderline Personality Disorder, nor do I suffer from incredible envy (of what??). It's the FFL TM critics who are big on Schadenfreude, Barry in particular, not the TMers. There's only one long-term TMer who posts here who is homophobic (BillyG), and everybody else on FFL, including the TMers, thinks he's a bigoted jerk. And if Nabby and Buck can be said to be ethnocentric, this very series of posts from Barry this morning ably documents the extremity of his own ethnocentrism. The cherry on top is Barry quoting none other than Deepak Chopra in support of this lunacy. Did he think we wouldn't notice? And finally, you have to wonder where Barry has been getting his daily overdose of oxytocin for the past 20 years if it does, in fact, boost dishonesty. You've gotta admit...it *does* explain the group apologetics thang. It also explains FFL cliques... http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/39595/title/Oxytocin-Boosts-Dishonesty/ http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/39595/title/Oxytocin-Boosts-Dishonesty/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiz time!
salyavin, I love this kind of thing, thanks. I got 5 which is the average. Hmmm, wonder what that means in terms of oxytocin...scientists have all the fun! On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:32 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: We all love a quiz at FFL. Pit your wits against the Grauniad's compound emotion photos. How many can you identify: http://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/quiz/2014/apr/01/compound-emotions-ohio-state-university-quiz
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal rama this and raja that crapping on endlessly about unified fields and invincibility and suchlike bollocks. Oh God, Sal - that phrase made me laugh till I cried - thanks so very much! My best is that Oxytocin overload accounts for the TB's endless ability to digest new bollocks, too. :-) On Wed, 4/2/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 12 I shouldn't think so, not now there's been lawyers involved, but it's not for me to say. There are all sorts of things said about Colin and the indies, that they've changed the teaching and do checks over the phone etc. Whether any of it is true I cannot say. The question is whether they would want to go back into the fold. The people I know who go on their courses prefer them to the new style TM stuff because it's just like the old days of the UK movement, with big open fires in stately homes and cosy old tapes of Marshy instead of the new ones with rama this and raja that crapping on endlessly about unified fields and invincibility and suchlike bollocks. Still, that's life. Everything changes. I was told it's called the Movement because you have to be ready to move at the drop of a hat. Gets a bit tiresome after a while. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Do you reckon the regular TM leaders in the UK would ever welcome Chris and Colin back into the Certified Governor fold?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Riddle of the Scorned Stalker
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Barry is incoherent with rage, positively incandescent with it, at having fucked up and gotten caught so many times yesterday. Every time he got his nose rubbed in one of his humiliating booboos, he'd be so beside himself with fury, he'd almost immediately make another even worse one. And now he's regressed to the point where he believes his own fairy tales, imagining that he was once in a position to dump two women who had actually dumped him shortly after they first encountered him. I've never seen him so at a loss. I guess it was fortunate for his psychic survival that he stumbled across the oxytocin crap last night. Gave him a reason to keep on living, I guess. No, but I'll tell you a riddle... Two women got dumped by the guys they were fixated on. The first put all her efforts into trying to destroy the guy who had dumped her. The second put all her efforts into trying to win the guy who had dumped her back. So which was the stalker? Both. The object of both women's efforts was to win back the attention of the guy who dumped her. The End
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Judy, short answer: yes. Long answer: I had already read the wikipedia article when your post appeared. And I don't think anybody on the planet is fully developed. For me, in the context of FFL, I find that I guess about how developed someone is by the TONE of MOST of their posts. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:49 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: No, it doesn't. Did you not read the Wikipedia article I linked to? But my question stands even if we use your definition: Are you saying that being an apologist for a belief or idea that is unproveable or that other people think is unreasonable indicates that one is not fully developed? Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:13 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share, do you know what apologist means? Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Because you seem to be saying here that being an apologist indicates that one is not fully developed, i.e., that apologist tendencies indicate a lack of maturity. You might just want to check out the actual meaning of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
No no no, Share, that isn't an answer to the question I asked. If you can't or don't want to answer it, just say so. But don't pretend you did answer it. Judy, short answer: yes. Long answer: I had already read the wikipedia article when your post appeared. And I don't think anybody on the planet is fully developed. For me, in the context of FFL, I find that I guess about how developed someone is by the TONE of MOST of their posts. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:49 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: No, it doesn't. Did you not read the Wikipedia article I linked to? But my question stands even if we use your definition: Are you saying that being an apologist for a belief or idea that is unproveable or that other people think is unreasonable indicates that one is not fully developed? Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:13 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share, do you know what apologist means? Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Because you seem to be saying here that being an apologist indicates that one is not fully developed, i.e., that apologist tendencies indicate a lack of maturity. You might just want to check out the actual meaning of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?
This is good stuff, turq, and a testimony to how science just keeps looking for answers. A few years ago, all the books I read were praising oxytocin. It's good to hear the other side of the story. BTW, I googled on *activities increase oxytocin* and there were several articles which I skimmed. One placed petting Paris (the dog) at 3 and using social media at 5. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:47 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the disconnect they seem to have between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects -- and the *obvious* contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a way to ignore or deny. TMers cling to the 100% positive meme even if they have witnessed with their own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent days, weeks, or months in the heavy unstressing groups themselves. What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels? High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the blissninny phenomenon, and why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced affinity they feel for the group (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about non-meditators or Nabby's rants about Buddhists) who are NOT in the group. It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say untruthful things to protect the group. Who, after all, would smuggle huge sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* dosed with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO does business, and why otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to the group. High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put down practitioners of other forms of meditation who get more scientific press than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. I think there is meat here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to produce other, far less positive results. Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects. And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to believe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation
It obviously was the oxytocin. UK'ers and the Danish people must more naturally suffer from either tooo high or too low blood levels of oxytocin in a way that other movement meditators and TM teachers would not. That proly explains a lot of this behavior. Disruptive oxytocin levels is proly in their cultural lack of sunlight they naturally suffer or some lack in their diet, the water they drink or the air they breath. It is a sad condition. -Buck In terms of our own natural history and sciences, very fortunately we don't got scorpions by nature in Iowa. Just the ones that get imported here. And, they don't thrive here at all in our climate, -Buck salyavin808 writes: Scorpion Nation? Ah, that takes me back. 2005 it was, the TMO in the UK had always been strong, and generous, we had three large academies, a purpose built town and a network of lively centres. Marshy's favourite group of devotees, always willing to cough up for yagyas and any other project that came along. Quite the role model for a perfect society you'd think. I was living in a TM centre at the time, not as a devotee, I just needed somewhere to live. They had closed all the academies to pay for the pundit project and encourage us to build vastu ones. Even the one I lived in which was pretty annoying but there you are. But I wasn't a believer at that point, not by a long stretch. I'd seen enough fraud and flakery and was there strictly as a take what you need and leave the rest type. And even that was wearing thin, I was having to avoid all broadcasts on the Marshy channel because they made my skin crawl, except for the weekly press conference. Wish I'd taped some of that, that would be youtube gold. Especially the one where Marshy said that the reason the US hadn't caught Bin Laden was because of our coherence creating and laughed! A surreal and disturbing moment and Hagelin tried to deny he'd meant that but the journalist wasn't convinced, me neither. Anyway, after the Iraq invasion Marshy decided that was the last straw and called the office at Skem to tell the assembled governors that he was closing the movement in the UK as our national consciousness was too poisonous to deserve what he was offering. Amid all the wailing, tears and protests Marshy asked if there was any good reason why he shouldn't. Wish I'd been there to answer that, first there is the obvious illogic of the feeding nectar to the scorpion if the ME worked then we need more TM not less. If it doesn't work we might as well carry on regardless. The idea that there is a critical mass whereby the ME is bad until the threshold is passed and then it becomes good is another layer of madness on top of all the others. It did him no favours. Then there's the political argument. No one liked Tony Blair, he just wasn't as bad as the opposition. That's how democracy works, it's a crap system of government but better than the alternative. Nobody prioritised war when they voted as every party was in favour anyway. Most of the western world went along with the idea that it would be quick and painless and we'd be rid of a vile dictator and be able to control the oil supply much easier. I don't know what the real reason was, maybe Marshy actually believed his delusions about the world, maybe he felt he had to act like it was all real regardless of whether it made sense or not. Maybe he was just nuts at that point, but he'd done it before with Denmark (?) for something to do with the national leader saying the wrong thing, can't remember what happened but it was well trivial. The whole concept is petty and spiteful and really upset a lot of friends of mine who sincerely believe all this stuff. It seemed like a sort of megalomania but he gave everyone the idea he was doing it for their own good. Narcissism? Paranoia? They say he tripled the price because a group of teachers from the UK asked him to lower it. Anyway, I laughed when I heard about Scorpion land. It was the icing on the cake really. I went off Marshy very early on, I didn't believe a word of the vedic science I thought Tony Nader and John Hagelin were either insane or lying. I couldn't watch 10 minutes of the channel without shuddering in terror. Then I heard about the Kaplan letter and joined FFL so I could read it in the files section. And then I thought I'd make just one post mjackson74 asks: Sal, having been highly entertained by some references you have made regarding the scorpion nation deal, I wanted to ask if you remember where you were and what your reaction was upon hearing of the [Maharishiji's] condemnation of your country? Just curious.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Then you are doing what you accuse me of, not letting go of your anger. I do not consider you an enemy, if you consider me so, that's your business. I find value in most people's posts here including those I disagree with. I have gotten value from Judy correcting me sometimes when I have made a mistake in something I said, or in not quoting a source. I have gotten value from some things that Steve and Doc have posted, and even Feste who has taken great umbrage at some of my posts. The only people I really have gained nothing from are Richard who is just too off the wall for me to even understand sometimes and Nabby who is... well, he's Nabby. I admire what you have done with your life, especially after having gone through the RC thing. But I don't need you to tell me what I should or shouldn't do. I suggest you simply accept the fact that I oppose the TM Movement on a number of grounds. Someone once took you to task or suggested that you were doing something wrong after you posted a pic of you astride one of your horses in full riding regalia where the horse's head was not held up, it was looking down, with the neck bent. The person suggested that this indicated the horse was being mistreated in some fashion. Just as I would never presume to tell you how to treat your animals, I suggest you leave me be as to my dealings with the TMO. To suggest that I need to look at my gullibility in getting involved with the TMO is akin to telling a woman who was assaulted it was her fault for wearing that blouse a little too low. Or telling the victims of Bernie Maddoff that they should deal with their gullibility for letting him have their money instead of seeking redress in the courts. It is hypocritical of you to tell me to get over my anger at the TMO and not deal with your anger at Barry in a healthy way. I don't suggest you do anything different than you are doing already, just that its not quite an even deal for you to tell me to do what you are unwilling to do. Even when Barry posts things that have nothing to do with you, like talking about a tv show he likes, you still take pot shots at him. I don't like Barry because he agrees with me about TM - in fact he and I disagree about certain things like he feels Marshy was legit to begin with and I am not so sure about that. I like some stuff he has to say, I find his stories about his TM days and his Rama days to be both useful to me (in terms of learning TM history) and interesting. As I have said before, Barry's use of profanity toward women is not something I agree with and wouldn't do myself (mainly cause I don't want either of my Baptist grandmothers coming out of their graves to snatch me bald headed for cussin' a woman). I take from what Barry offers here that which is useful to me and leave the rest alone, same as I do with your posts. You analogy of opposing Barry as your duty being the same as stopping someone from beating a dog, or mistreating a horse is an apt one. Please apply it to my dealing with the TMO. The TMO daily beats innumerable dogs and mistreats untold horses in that they use deceptive, underhanded tactics to get people to buy their wares, most of which like the vastu ved and the yagyas are a ripoff, plain and simple, and I find it as offensive and someone starving a horse or beating a dog. That's my point of view. I have spoken at some length to Kyle Cleveland who was born and raised in the Movement - he and his brother have both broken away. Kyle married Charlotte and Michael Cain's daughter. Kyle told me his great concern is helping those who have been in the Movement see the reality of it as a using manipulative cult. In talks with him I said I was more concerned with those who are innocently curious about TM from the David Lynch advertisements. And I will do what I can to help people avoid the TMO for all the reasons I have stated before. In an attempt to correct a few incorrect assumptions and impressions, I offer the following: I have not been angry towards the Movement for 25 years. When I left in 1987, I still wanted to go on rounding courses and evolve - that lasted from 1987 till the Heavenly Mountain debacle when I cut all ties to the TMO. So from the early to mid 1990's till about 2 or three years ago I had just mild disdain for Marshy and the Movement if I thought about them at all. It was after reconnecting to a former kitchen worker who recounted his story of continuing to work for the TMO at MIU for some years after I left and had experiences of unstressing that nearly killed him and turned him for some years into a cigarette addict and alcoholic, I began to reexamine TM, the TMO and Marshy. That is when I sought admittance to the rarefied airs of FFL and began to ask questions. After seeing the depth of the enormities of the TMO and Marshy, I did get quite angry at times. Now I feel generally disbelief at the crack pot beliefs that are still promoted
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Judy, I did answer your question. I said yes. How is that not answering?! On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 9:50 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: No no no, Share, that isn't an answer to the question I asked. If you can't or don't want to answer it, just say so. But don't pretend you did answer it. Judy, short answer: yes. Long answer: I had already read the wikipedia article when your post appeared. And I don't think anybody on the planet is fully developed. For me, in the context of FFL, I find that I guess about how developed someone is by the TONE of MOST of their posts. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:49 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: No, it doesn't. Did you not read the Wikipedia article I linked to? But my question stands even if we use your definition: Are you saying that being an apologist for a belief or idea that is unproveable or that other people think is unreasonable indicates that one is not fully developed? Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:13 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share, do you know what apologist means? Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Because you seem to be saying here that being an apologist indicates that one is not fully developed, i.e., that apologist tendencies indicate a lack of maturity. You might just want to check out the actual meaning of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation It obviously was the oxytocin. UK'ers and the Danish people must more naturally suffer from either tooo high or too low blood levels of oxytocin in a way that other movement meditators and TM teachers would not. That proly explains a lot of this behavior. Disruptive oxytocin levels is proly in their cultural lack of sunlight they naturally suffer or some lack in their diet, the water they drink or the air they breath. It is a sad condition. Maybe. But you've gotta admit that those Danes are Green and in accord with the Laws Of Nature: Copenhagen Zoo Kills Four Healthy Staff Members To Make Space for New Employees In terms of our own natural history and sciences, very fortunately we don't got scorpions by nature in Iowa. Just the ones that get imported here. And, they don't thrive here at all in our climate, -Buck salyavin808 writes: Scorpion Nation? Ah, that takes me back. 2005 it was, the TMO in the UK had always been strong, and generous, we had three large academies, a purpose built town and a network of lively centres. Marshy's favourite group of devotees, always willing to cough up for yagyas and any other project that came along. Quite the role model for a perfect society you'd think. I was living in a TM centre at the time, not as a devotee, I just needed somewhere to live. They had closed all the academies to pay for the pundit project and encourage us to build vastu ones. Even the one I lived in which was pretty annoying but there you are. But I wasn't a believer at that point, not by a long stretch. I'd seen enough fraud and flakery and was there strictly as a take what you need and leave the rest type. And even that was wearing thin, I was having to avoid all broadcasts on the Marshy channel because they made my skin crawl, except for the weekly press conference. Wish I'd taped some of that, that would be youtube gold. Especially the one where Marshy said that the reason the US hadn't caught Bin Laden was because of our coherence creating and laughed! A surreal and disturbing moment and Hagelin tried to deny he'd meant that but the journalist wasn't convinced, me neither. Anyway, after the Iraq invasion Marshy decided that was the last straw and called the office at Skem to tell the assembled governors that he was closing the movement in the UK as our national consciousness was too poisonous to deserve what he was offering. Amid all the wailing, tears and protests Marshy asked if there was any good reason why he shouldn't. Wish I'd been there to answer that, first there is the obvious illogic of the feeding nectar to the scorpion if the ME worked then we need more TM not less. If it doesn't work we might as well carry on regardless. The idea that there is a critical mass whereby the ME is bad until the threshold is passed and then it becomes good is another layer of madness on top of all the others. It did him no favours. Then there's the political argument. No one liked Tony Blair, he just wasn't as bad as the opposition. That's how democracy works, it's a crap system of government but better than the alternative. Nobody prioritised war when they voted as every party was in favour anyway. Most of the western world went along with the idea that it would be quick and painless and we'd be rid of a vile dictator and be able to control the oil supply much easier. I don't know what the real reason was, maybe Marshy actually believed his delusions about the world, maybe he felt he had to act like it was all real regardless of whether it made sense or not. Maybe he was just nuts at that point, but he'd done it before with Denmark (?) for something to do with the national leader saying the wrong thing, can't remember what happened but it was well trivial. The whole concept is petty and spiteful and really upset a lot of friends of mine who sincerely believe all this stuff. It seemed like a sort of megalomania but he gave everyone the idea he was doing it for their own good. Narcissism? Paranoia? They say he tripled the price because a group of teachers from the UK asked him to lower it. Anyway, I laughed when I heard about Scorpion land. It was the icing on the cake really. I went off Marshy very early on, I didn't believe a word of the vedic science I thought Tony Nader and John Hagelin were either insane or lying. I couldn't watch 10 minutes of the channel without shuddering in terror. Then I heard about the Kaplan letter and joined FFL so I could read it in the files section. And then I thought I'd make just one post mjackson74 asks: Sal, having been highly entertained by some references you have made regarding the scorpion nation deal, I wanted to ask if you remember where you were and what your reaction was upon hearing of the
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
The long answer invalidated the short one as an actual response to my question (as you know). Never mind. You got yourself in an uncomfortable position, and I know you better than to think you'll be willing to deal with it honestly. Judy, I did answer your question. I said yes. How is that not answering?! No no no, Share, that isn't an answer to the question I asked. If you can't or don't want to answer it, just say so. But don't pretend you did answer it. Judy, short answer: yes. Long answer: I had already read the wikipedia article when your post appeared. And I don't think anybody on the planet is fully developed. For me, in the context of FFL, I find that I guess about how developed someone is by the TONE of MOST of their posts. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:49 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: No, it doesn't. Did you not read the Wikipedia article I linked to? But my question stands even if we use your definition: Are you saying that being an apologist for a belief or idea that is unproveable or that other people think is unreasonable indicates that one is not fully developed? Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:13 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share, do you know what apologist means? Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Because you seem to be saying here that being an apologist indicates that one is not fully developed, i.e., that apologist tendencies indicate a lack of maturity. You might just want to check out the actual meaning of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield It is hypocritical of you to tell me to get over my anger at the TMO... Especially coming from the woman who dealt with her anger at Robin Carlsen by going whistleblower on his ass and going to the newspapers, essentially resulting in him being run out of town. :-) ...and not deal with your anger at Barry in a healthy way. I don't suggest you do anything different than you are doing already, just that its not quite an even deal for you to tell me to do what you are unwilling to do. Even when Barry posts things that have nothing to do with you, like talking about a tv show he likes, you still take pot shots at him. SLRGSS. (Spoiled Little Rich Girl Stalker Syndrome) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Judy, I don't think that my long answer invalidated my short answer. My guess is that you didn't understand all of my answer. On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 10:06 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: The long answer invalidated the short one as an actual response to my question (as you know). Never mind. You got yourself in an uncomfortable position, and I know you better than to think you'll be willing to deal with it honestly. Judy, I did answer your question. I said yes. How is that not answering?! No no no, Share, that isn't an answer to the question I asked. If you can't or don't want to answer it, just say so. But don't pretend you did answer it. Judy, short answer: yes. Long answer: I had already read the wikipedia article when your post appeared. And I don't think anybody on the planet is fully developed. For me, in the context of FFL, I find that I guess about how developed someone is by the TONE of MOST of their posts. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:49 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: No, it doesn't. Did you not read the Wikipedia article I linked to? But my question stands even if we use your definition: Are you saying that being an apologist for a belief or idea that is unproveable or that other people think is unreasonable indicates that one is not fully developed? Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:13 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share, do you know what apologist means? Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Because you seem to be saying here that being an apologist indicates that one is not fully developed, i.e., that apologist tendencies indicate a lack of maturity. You might just want to check out the actual meaning of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Of course it isn't hypocritical, since, as Barry knows, she'd gotten over her anger at Robin long before she ever showed up here 25 years later. Looks like Barry's still in a state of serious mental disarray and is likely to make at least as many nitwit mistakes today as he did yesterday. (Not to mention once again inadvertently revealing his incredible envy of Ann's comfortable financial situation. He really needs to cut WAY back on the oxytocin he's been huffing.) It is hypocritical of you to tell me to get over my anger at the TMO... Especially coming from the woman who dealt with her anger at Robin Carlsen by going whistleblower on his ass and going to the newspapers, essentially resulting in him being run out of town. :-) ...and not deal with your anger at Barry in a healthy way. I don't suggest you do anything different than you are doing already, just that its not quite an even deal for you to tell me to do what you are unwilling to do. Even when Barry posts things that have nothing to do with you, like talking about a tv show he likes, you still take pot shots at him. SLRGSS. (Spoiled Little Rich Girl Stalker Syndrome) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
You didn't understand the implications of your answers, Share. Your grasp of semantics is very poor, which is why you always try to cover up your mistakes by obfuscating rather than clarifying them. As I said, never mind. Once you decide to take the obfuscation route, as you have in this case, there's no percentage in trying to make an honest woman of you. Judy, I don't think that my long answer invalidated my short answer. My guess is that you didn't understand all of my answer. The long answer invalidated the short one as an actual response to my question (as you know). Never mind. You got yourself in an uncomfortable position, and I know you better than to think you'll be willing to deal with it honestly. Judy, I did answer your question. I said yes. How is that not answering?! No no no, Share, that isn't an answer to the question I asked. If you can't or don't want to answer it, just say so. But don't pretend you did answer it. Judy, short answer: yes. Long answer: I had already read the wikipedia article when your post appeared. And I don't think anybody on the planet is fully developed. For me, in the context of FFL, I find that I guess about how developed someone is by the TONE of MOST of their posts. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:49 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: No, it doesn't. Did you not read the Wikipedia article I linked to? But my question stands even if we use your definition: Are you saying that being an apologist for a belief or idea that is unproveable or that other people think is unreasonable indicates that one is not fully developed? Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:13 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share, do you know what apologist means? Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Because you seem to be saying here that being an apologist indicates that one is not fully developed, i.e., that apologist tendencies indicate a lack of maturity. You might just want to check out the actual meaning of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
[FairfieldLife] Were you there Sal?
Sal, is this your mistress driving the Lamborghini? http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/400-000-lamborghini-aventador-air-wild-london-crash-article-1.1741770
[FairfieldLife] Pharrell Williams - #JamaicaHappy #HappyDay
Take break from your petty squabbeling - be HAPPY ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFugJzhrsUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFugJzhrsUM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Microbes exterminate life on Earth!
Thanks. This is not a group one can take too seriously. :-D On 04/01/2014 08:31 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: I gotta finally come out and say it. Your posts have really been fun to read over the last few months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : We're starting an new TV series called Pattern Masters. On 04/01/2014 04:36 PM, Pundit Sir wrote: It's all a matter of positioning and placement within the pattern. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, noozguru, imho, this is Post of the Month. Whoops, April 1! Ok, how about Post of the Season? Post of Last Month? Anyway, I like it and think it would be a great bumper sticker: Enjoy your pattern while you can. I shall, Oprah or no Oprah (-: On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:09 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: Life is nothing but a pattern that occurs throughout planets in the universe when conditions are right. You are nothing but a pattern Pundito. Enjoy your pattern while you can. On 04/01/2014 09:30 AM, Pundit Sir wrote: OMG We are all going to die! On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: Well, you know what they say: shit happens! On 04/01/2014 04:46 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Date: March31, 2014 Source: MassachusettsInstitute of Technology Summary: Methane-producing microbes may be responsible for the largest mass extinction in Earth's history. Fossil remains show that sometime around 252 million years ago, about 90 percent of all species on Earth were suddenly wiped out -- by far the largest of this planet's five known mass extinctions. It turns out that Methanosarcina had acquired a particularly fast means of making methane, and the team's detailed mapping of the organism's history now shows that this transfer happened at about the time of the end-Permian extinction. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29amp;utm_content=FaceBook http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29utm_content=FaceBook
[FairfieldLife] Re: Were you there Sal?
No, hers is red. Mine's blue. The Bentley the butler uses for shopping is black though. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sal, is this your mistress driving the Lamborghini? http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/400-000-lamborghini-aventador-air-wild-london-crash-article-1.1741770 http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/400-000-lamborghini-aventador-air-wild-london-crash-article-1.1741770
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?
You do know who is famous for using Oxytocin? Rush Limbaugh. :-D On 04/02/2014 03:47 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the disconnect they seem to have between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects -- and the *obvious* contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a way to ignore or deny. TMers cling to the 100% positive meme even if they have witnessed with their own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent days, weeks, or months in the heavy unstressing groups themselves. What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels? High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the blissninny phenomenon, and why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced affinity they feel for the group (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about non-meditators or Nabby's rants about Buddhists) who are NOT in the group. It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say untruthful things to protect the group. Who, after all, would smuggle huge sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* dosed with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO does business, and why otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to the group. High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put down practitioners of other forms of meditation who get more scientific press than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. I think there is meat here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to produce other, far less positive results. Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects. And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to believe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal
Most of the western world went along with the idea that it would be quick and painless and we'd be rid of a vile dictator and be able to control the oil supply much easier. ** We got rid of the vile dictator but in reality Iraq oil production decreased following the Iraq War. Apparently none of the government officials, were in a position to benefit from oil and energy policy decisions. Most of the oil contracts went to Russia and China after the war. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:13 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Scorpion Nation? Ah, that takes me back. 2005 it was, the TMO in the UK had always been strong, and generous, we had three large academies, a purpose built town and a network of lively centres. Marshy's favourite group of devotees, always willing to cough up for yagyas and any other project that came along. Quite the role model for a perfect society you'd think. I was living in a TM centre at the time, not as a devotee, I just needed somewhere to live. They had closed all the academies to pay for the pundit project and encourage us to build vastu ones. Even the one I lived in which was pretty annoying but there you are. But I wasn't a believer at that point, not by a long stretch. I'd seen enough fraud and flakery and was there strictly as a take what you need and leave the rest type. And even that was wearing thin, I was having to avoid all broadcasts on the Marshy channel because they made my skin crawl, except for the weekly press conference. Wish I'd taped some of that, that would be youtube gold. Especially the one where Marshy said that the reason the US hadn't caught Bin Laden was because of our coherence creating and laughed! A surreal and disturbing moment and Hagelin tried to deny he'd meant that but the journalist wasn't convinced, me neither. Anyway, after the Iraq invasion Marshy decided that was the last straw and called the office at Skem to tell the assembled governors that he was closing the movement in the UK as our national consciousness was too poisonous to deserve what he was offering. Amid all the wailing, tears and protests Marshy asked if there was any good reason why he shouldn't. Wish I'd been there to answer that, first there is the obvious illogic of the feeding nectar to the scorpion if the ME worked then we need more TM not less. If it doesn't work we might as well carry on regardless. The idea that there is a critical mass whereby the ME is bad until the threshold is passed and then it becomes good is another layer of madness on top of all the others. It did him no favours. Then there's the political argument. No one *liked* Tony Blair, he just wasn't as bad as the opposition. That's how democracy works, it's a crap system of government but better than the alternative. Nobody prioritised war when they voted as every party was in favour anyway. Most of the western world went along with the idea that it would be quick and painless and we'd be rid of a vile dictator and be able to control the oil supply much easier. I don't know what the real reason was, maybe Marshy actually believed his delusions about the world, maybe he felt he had to act like it was all real regardless of whether it made sense or not. Maybe he was just nuts at that point, but he'd done it before with Denmark (?) for something to do with the national leader saying the wrong thing, can't remember what happened but it was well trivial. The whole concept is petty and spiteful and really upset a lot of friends of mine who sincerely believe all this stuff. It seemed like a sort of megalomania but he gave everyone the idea he was doing it for their own good. Narcissism? Paranoia? They say he tripled the price because a group of teachers from the UK asked him to lower it. Anyway, I laughed when I heard about Scorpion land. It was the icing on the cake really. I went off Marshy very early on, I didn't believe a word of the vedic science I thought Tony Nader and John Hagelin were either insane or lying. I couldn't watch 10 minutes of the channel without shuddering in terror. Then I heard about the Kaplan letter and joined FFL so I could read it in the files section. And then I thought I'd make just one post ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sal, having been highly entertained by some references you have made regarding the scorpion nation deal, I wanted to ask if you remember where you were and what your reaction was upon hearing of the Old Goat's condemnation of your country? Just curious.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Were you there Sal?
Back when I lived in Malibu, the guy who lived in the apartment underneath mine was a mechanic specializing in flash cars. Every day he'd drive a new Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, or similar beast home and park it in our garage. He used to joke about the owners, who he characterized as having paid for the cars they owned by having had to forfeit 1 IQ point for every $10,000 the cars cost them. Since most of these cars cost $150,000-$200,000, that's a lot of lost IQ points. The only owner he spoke highly of was Miles Davis, whose Ferrari he worked on often. It wasn't that he actually liked Miles (he was more into headbanger music), but he liked working on the car because, in his words, I can stay high for a week just on the amount of cocaine that Miles spills and leaves on his car seats. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Were you there Sal? Sal, is this your mistress driving the Lamborghini? http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/400-000-lamborghini-aventador-air-wild-london-crash-article-1.1741770
Re: [FairfieldLife] Microbes exterminate life on Earth!
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Microbes exterminate life on Earth! Thanks. This is not a group one can take too seriously. :-D Unless, obviously, you are Judy Stein or Ann or Nabby or Jim-Bob. They seem to take it very seriously indeed. :-) On 04/01/2014 08:31 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: I gotta finally come out and say it. Your posts have really been fun to read over the last few months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : We're starting an new TV series called Pattern Masters. On 04/01/2014 04:36 PM, Pundit Sir wrote: It's all a matter of positioning and placement within the pattern. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, noozguru, imho, this is Post of the Month. Whoops, April 1! Ok, how about Post of the Season? Post of Last Month? Anyway, I like it and think it would be a great bumper sticker: Enjoy your pattern while you can. I shall, Oprah or no Oprah (-: On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:09 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Life is nothing but a pattern that occurs throughout planets in the universe when conditions are right. You are nothing but a pattern Pundito. Enjoy your pattern while you can. On 04/01/2014 09:30 AM, Pundit Sir wrote: OMG We are all going to die! On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Well, you know what they say: shit happens! On 04/01/2014 04:46 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Date: March31, 2014 Source: MassachusettsInstitute of Technology Summary: Methane-producing microbes may be responsible for the largest mass extinction in Earth's history. Fossil remains show that sometime around 252 million years ago, about 90 percent of all species on Earth were suddenly wiped out -- by far the largest of this planet's five known mass extinctions. It turns out that Methanosarcina had acquired a particularly fast means of making methane, and the team's detailed mapping of the organism's history now shows that this transfer happened at about the time of the end-Permian extinction. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29amp;utm_content=FaceBook
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?
You do know who is famous for using Oxytocin? Rush Limbaugh. Never pass up a tragedy if it will help you win a religious or political debate. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: You do know who is famous for using Oxytocin? Rush Limbaugh. :-D On 04/02/2014 03:47 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the disconnect they seem to have between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects -- and the *obvious* contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a way to ignore or deny. TMers cling to the 100% positive meme even if they have witnessed with their own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent days, weeks, or months in the heavy unstressing groups themselves. What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels? High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the blissninny phenomenon, and why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced affinity they feel for the group (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about non-meditators or Nabby's rants about Buddhists) who are NOT in the group. It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say untruthful things to protect the group. Who, after all, would smuggle huge sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* dosed with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO does business, and why otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to the group. High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put down practitioners of other forms of meditation who get more scientific press than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. I think there is meat here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to produce other, far less positive results. Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects. And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to believe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Were you there Sal?
Addressing the important issues! On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: Sal, is this your mistress driving the Lamborghini? http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/400-000-lamborghini-aventador-air-wild-london-crash-article-1.1741770
[FairfieldLife] Pharrell Williams - Happy (Bermuda)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFugJzhrsUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFugJzhrsUM
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY Amsterdam
Just because the Turq lives in that (blessed) country you thought there mostly grumpy strainers there ? Well, think again ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpyONJgCXvc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpyONJgCXvc
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
* You didn't understand the implications of your answers, Share. Your * * grasp of semantics is very poor, which is why you always try to cover * * up your mistakes by obfuscating rather than clarifying them.* ** The Corrector has spoken. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:36 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *You didn't understand the implications of your answers, Share. Your grasp of semantics is very poor, which is why you always try to cover up your mistakes by obfuscating rather than clarifying them.* As I said, never mind. Once you decide to take the obfuscation route, as you have in this case, there's no percentage in trying to make an honest woman of you. Judy, I don't think that my long answer invalidated my short answer. My guess is that you didn't understand all of my answer. The long answer invalidated the short one as an actual response to my question (as you know). Never mind. You got yourself in an uncomfortable position, and I know you better than to think you'll be willing to deal with it honestly. Judy, I did answer your question. I said yes. How is that not answering?! No no no, Share, that isn't an answer to the question I asked. If you can't or don't want to answer it, just say so. But don't pretend you did answer it. Judy, short answer: yes. Long answer: I had already read the wikipedia article when your post appeared. And I don't think anybody on the planet is fully developed. For me, in the context of FFL, I find that I guess about how developed someone is by the TONE of MOST of their posts. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:49 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: *No, it doesn't. Did you not read the Wikipedia article I linked to?* *But my question stands even if we use your definition: Are you saying that being an apologist for a belief or idea that is unproveable or that other people think is unreasonable indicates that one is not fully developed?* Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:13 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share, do you know what apologist means? Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Because you seem to be saying here that being an apologist indicates that one is not fully developed, i.e., that apologist tendencies indicate a lack of maturity. You might just want to check out the actual meaning of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation
Seems I recall now the scorpion nation precipitation happened as it became evident and was pointed out to Maharishi who was then holed up in his location with his cultivated groups of upper income followers that some Danish and UK'er TM teachers were out in the field teaching TM to common people for less than the set retail prices then. When these independent rogues then banded together that was seen as really going too far rogue and some really serious treachery too. Maharishi came down on that like a ton of bricks. Damned scorpions. It obviously was the oxytocin. UK'ers and the Danish people must more naturally suffer from either tooo high or too low blood levels of oxytocin in a way that other movement meditators and TM teachers would not. That proly explains a lot of this behavior. Disruptive oxytocin levels is proly in their cultural lack of sunlight they naturally suffer or some lack in their diet, the water they drink or the air they breath. It is a sad condition. Maybe. But you've gotta admit that those Danes are Green and in accord with the Laws Of Nature: Copenhagen Zoo Kills Four Healthy Staff Members To Make Space for New Employees http://www.theglobaledition.com/copenhagen-zoo-kills-four-healthy-staff-members-to-make-space-for-new-employees/ In terms of our own natural history and sciences, very fortunately we don't got scorpions by nature in Iowa. Just the ones that get imported here. And, they don't thrive here at all in our climate, -Buck salyavin808 writes: Scorpion Nation? Ah, that takes me back. 2005 it was, the TMO in the UK had always been strong, and generous, we had three large academies, a purpose built town and a network of lively centres. Marshy's favourite group of devotees, always willing to cough up for yagyas and any other project that came along. Quite the role model for a perfect society you'd think. I was living in a TM centre at the time, not as a devotee, I just needed somewhere to live. They had closed all the academies to pay for the pundit project and encourage us to build vastu ones. Even the one I lived in which was pretty annoying but there you are. But I wasn't a believer at that point, not by a long stretch. I'd seen enough fraud and flakery and was there strictly as a take what you need and leave the rest type. And even that was wearing thin, I was having to avoid all broadcasts on the Marshy channel because they made my skin crawl, except for the weekly press conference. Wish I'd taped some of that, that would be youtube gold. Especially the one where Marshy said that the reason the US hadn't caught Bin Laden was because of our coherence creating and laughed! A surreal and disturbing moment and Hagelin tried to deny he'd meant that but the journalist wasn't convinced, me neither. Anyway, after the Iraq invasion Marshy decided that was the last straw and called the office at Skem to tell the assembled governors that he was closing the movement in the UK as our national consciousness was too poisonous to deserve what he was offering. Amid all the wailing, tears and protests Marshy asked if there was any good reason why he shouldn't. Wish I'd been there to answer that, first there is the obvious illogic of the feeding nectar to the scorpion if the ME worked then we need more TM not less. If it doesn't work we might as well carry on regardless. The idea that there is a critical mass whereby the ME is bad until the threshold is passed and then it becomes good is another layer of madness on top of all the others. It did him no favours. Then there's the political argument. No one liked Tony Blair, he just wasn't as bad as the opposition. That's how democracy works, it's a crap system of government but better than the alternative. Nobody prioritised war when they voted as every party was in favour anyway. Most of the western world went along with the idea that it would be quick and painless and we'd be rid of a vile dictator and be able to control the oil supply much easier. I don't know what the real reason was, maybe Marshy actually believed his delusions about the world, maybe he felt he had to act like it was all real regardless of whether it made sense or not. Maybe he was just nuts at that point, but he'd done it before with Denmark (?) for something to do with the national leader saying the wrong thing, can't remember what happened but it was well trivial. The whole concept is petty and spiteful and really upset a lot of friends of mine who sincerely believe all this stuff. It seemed like a sort of megalomania but he gave everyone the idea he was doing it for their own good. Narcissism? Paranoia? They say he tripled the price because a group of teachers from the UK asked him to lower it. Anyway, I laughed when I heard about Scorpion land. It was the icing on the cake really. I went off Marshy very early on, I didn't believe a word of the vedic science I thought
[FairfieldLife] Re: HAPPY Amsterdam
I didn't know what a grumpy strainer was, so I looked it up: http://ifitshipitshere.blogspot.com/2012_05_01_archive.html Are they made by the Space Brothers? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Just because the Turq lives in that (blessed) country you thought there mostly grumpy strainers there ? Well, think again ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpyONJgCXvc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpyONJgCXvc
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY in GENEVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ydhShEEAI8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ydhShEEAI8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation Seems I recall now the scorpion nation precipitation happened as it became evident and was pointed out to Maharishi who was then holed up in his location with his cultivated groups of upper income followers that some Danish and UK'er TM teachers were out in the field teaching TM to common people for less than the set retail prices then. When these independent rogues then banded together that was seen as really going too far rogue and some really serious treachery too. Maharishi came down on that like a ton of bricks. Damned scorpions. If you recall correctly, I guess we now know for sure what maintain the purity of the teaching really means. Since these teachers were teaching TM *exactly* the way he taught them to, using the full puja and all, he couldn't have been upset about them distorting the teaching in any way. He was upset that they were cutting into his cash flow.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?
I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: It's just amazing how much time and energy Barry is putting forth in order to get back at Judy. From 1996 until 2014 is a long time to be focusing on winning a religious debate. Somebody should do a study on what motivates some people to be obsess. Judy is The Corrector, and that's not such a bad thing on a discussion board, but Barry seems to be truly obsessive in a bad way. I'm not even reading his stuff anymore because 99% of it is just an attempt to get back at Judy - stuck record, I guess. It's just amazing the thousands and thousands of words this guy Barry has posted in an effort to get Judy for hurting his feeling. It is truly astounding how many negative message Barry has posted about MMY and TM, WHEN IT'S OBVIOUS IT'S ALL ABOUT JUDY On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:47 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the disconnect they seem to have between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects -- and the *obvious* contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a way to ignore or deny. TMers cling to the 100% positive meme even if they have witnessed with their own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent days, weeks, or months in the heavy unstressing groups themselves. What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels? High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the blissninny phenomenon, and why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced affinity they feel for the group (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about non-meditators or Nabby's rants about Buddhists) who are NOT in the group. It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say untruthful things to protect the group. Who, after all, would smuggle huge sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* dosed with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO does business, and why otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to the group. High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put down practitioners of other forms of meditation who get more scientific press than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. I think there is meat here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to produce other, far less positive results. Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects. And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to believe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Were you there Sal?
Such as What We Did Today? :-D On 04/02/2014 09:07 AM, Pundit Sir wrote: Addressing the important issues! On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Sal, is this your mistress driving the Lamborghini? http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/400-000-lamborghini-aventador-air-wild-london-crash-article-1.1741770
Re: [FairfieldLife] Were you there Sal?
Such as What We Did Today? Well, I guess if you did anything worth reporting we'd have heard about it. If you owned a camera, I guess you'd have posted a snapshot. It's beginning to look like you don't get out much - I did see the photo you sent of visiting Starbucks one day a few months ago. Maybe you don't own a camera; maybe you don't know how to upload a flat file; maybe you don't have a web site; or maybe you live in a lace that even if you did go out, there's nothing to do or see. Maybe you are just JELLOS. Go figure. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Such as What We Did Today? :-D On 04/02/2014 09:07 AM, Pundit Sir wrote: Addressing the important issues! On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: Sal, is this your mistress driving the Lamborghini? http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/400-000-lamborghini-aventador-air-wild-london-crash-article-1.1741770
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY TAHITI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0JXEfmq0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0JXEfmq0Q
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY in LAUSANNE
No grumpy strainers there either :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5vKR036ix8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5vKR036ix8
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY in LONDON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYyOl8Q2EI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYyOl8Q2EI
[FairfieldLife] Happy in Sydney
Were are the grumpy strainers ? Not here ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpQNu7hXxmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpQNu7hXxmY
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation
He was upset that they were cutting into his cash flow. What cash-flow? The only cash flow in your case were the thousands of dollars you gave to MMY and Rama to sit at their feet for 24 years watching them try to levitate. If you were smart, you would have started your own religion years ago and made the big bucks too. As it is, you'll be lucky to pay next month's rent. Go figure. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:32 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 2, 2014 6:28 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation Seems I recall now the scorpion nation precipitation happened as it became evident and was pointed out to Maharishi who was then holed up in his location with his cultivated groups of upper income followers that some Danish and UK'er TM teachers were out in the field teaching TM to common people for less than the set retail prices then. When these independent rogues then banded together that was seen as really going too far rogue and some really serious treachery too. Maharishi came down on that like a ton of bricks. Damned scorpions. If you recall correctly, I guess we now know for sure what maintain the purity of the teaching really means. Since these teachers were teaching TM *exactly* the way he taught them to, using the full puja and all, he couldn't have been upset about them distorting the teaching in any way. He was upset that they were cutting into his cash flow.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Seems I recall now the scorpion nation precipitation happened as it became evident and was pointed out to Maharishi who was then holed up in his location with his cultivated groups of upper income followers that some Danish and UK'er TM teachers were out in the field teaching TM to common people for less than the set retail prices then. When these independent rogues then banded together that was seen as really going too far rogue and some really serious treachery too. Maharishi came down on that like a ton of bricks. Damned scorpions. It wouldn't surprise me. Collective punishment sounds petty enough to have come from the reesh. Thing is, Marshy did such a good job filling the teachers with the verve for going out there and making people happy, that when he put the price up so that fewer learned they got annoyed. Less income for them and less happiness for the world. Which do you prefer? A happy world or knowledge that some people escaped the TMO and it's bliss nazi drudgery of dome attendance and coughing up for yagya's every five minutesoops that's the same thing. You know what I mean though, what does it matter who teaches them? IF you believe that mass TM is a good thing you should be cheering them on surely? I hear a rumour that they teach levitation as well you know, and it's just as effective as the official version...
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY in BUDAPEST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vbwshAD40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vbwshAD40
Re: [FairfieldLife] Were you there Sal?
I guess you don't have a video camera or we'd have seen videos from you. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/CaptBebops On 04/02/2014 09:45 AM, Pundit Sir wrote: Such as What We Did Today? Well, I guess if you did anything worth reporting we'd have heard about it. If you owned a camera, I guess you'd have posted a snapshot. It's beginning to look like you don't get out much - I did see the photo you sent of visiting Starbucks one day a few months ago. Maybe you don't own a camera; maybe you don't know how to upload a flat file; maybe you don't have a web site; or maybe you live in a lace that even if you did go out, there's nothing to do or see. Maybe you are just JELLOS. Go figure. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Such as What We Did Today? :-D On 04/02/2014 09:07 AM, Pundit Sir wrote: Addressing the important issues! On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Sal, is this your mistress driving the Lamborghini? http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/400-000-lamborghini-aventador-air-wild-london-crash-article-1.1741770
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY IN THE SCORPION NATION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYyOl8Q2EI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYyOl8Q2EI
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Riddle of the Scorned Stalker
The object of both women's efforts was to win back the attention of the guy who dumped her. Better to have been dumped than never to have been dumped at all. Better to have at least one girlfriend in your life who dumped you, than to have never had a girlfriend. That's what I think. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:47 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: *From:* awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 2, 2014 6:01 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiz time! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I got ten out of ten. But then, I watched Lie To Me and read the books it was based on. :-) Bawwy you are amazing. Will you marry me? No, but I'll tell you a riddle... Two women got dumped by the guys they were fixated on. The first put all her efforts into trying to destroy the guy who had dumped her. The second put all her efforts into trying to win the guy who had dumped her back. So which was the stalker? Both. The object of both women's efforts was to win back the attention of the guy who dumped her. The End
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation
Never pass up an opportunity to mention Rama levitating. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : He was upset that they were cutting into his cash flow. What cash-flow? The only cash flow in your case were the thousands of dollars you gave to MMY and Rama to sit at their feet for 24 years watching them try to levitate. If you were smart, you would have started your own religion years ago and made the big bucks too. As it is, you'll be lucky to pay next month's rent. Go figure. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:32 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote: From: dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...; dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation Seems I recall now the scorpion nation precipitation happened as it became evident and was pointed out to Maharishi who was then holed up in his location with his cultivated groups of upper income followers that some Danish and UK'er TM teachers were out in the field teaching TM to common people for less than the set retail prices then. When these independent rogues then banded together that was seen as really going too far rogue and some really serious treachery too. Maharishi came down on that like a ton of bricks. Damned scorpions. If you recall correctly, I guess we now know for sure what maintain the purity of the teaching really means. Since these teachers were teaching TM *exactly* the way he taught them to, using the full puja and all, he couldn't have been upset about them distorting the teaching in any way. He was upset that they were cutting into his cash flow.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Richard, imo The Corrector has gone daft! I answered yes to her question. How is that obfuscating?! I'm guessing that's her way of saying that she didn't understand what I wrote. Anyway, when she gets like this, both negative and nonsensical, it's pointless to continue responding to her. On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:26 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't understand the implications of your answers, Share. Your grasp of semantics is very poor, which is why you always try to cover up your mistakes by obfuscating rather than clarifying them. The Corrector has spoken. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:36 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: You didn't understand the implications of your answers, Share. Your grasp of semantics is very poor, which is why you always try to cover up your mistakes by obfuscating rather than clarifying them. As I said, never mind. Once you decide to take the obfuscation route, as you have in this case, there's no percentage in trying to make an honest woman of you. Judy, I don't think that my long answer invalidated my short answer. My guess is that you didn't understand all of my answer. The long answer invalidated the short one as an actual response to my question (as you know). Never mind. You got yourself in an uncomfortable position, and I know you better than to think you'll be willing to deal with it honestly. Judy, I did answer your question. I said yes. How is that not answering?! No no no, Share, that isn't an answer to the question I asked. If you can't or don't want to answer it, just say so. But don't pretend you did answer it. Judy, short answer: yes. Long answer: I had already read the wikipedia article when your post appeared. And I don't think anybody on the planet is fully developed. For me, in the context of FFL, I find that I guess about how developed someone is by the TONE of MOST of their posts. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:49 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: No, it doesn't. Did you not read the Wikipedia article I linked to? But my question stands even if we use your definition: Are you saying that being an apologist for a belief or idea that is unproveable or that other people think is unreasonable indicates that one is not fully developed? Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:13 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share, do you know what apologist means? Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Because you seem to be saying here that being an apologist indicates that one is not fully developed, i.e., that apologist tendencies indicate a lack of maturity. You might just want to check out the actual meaning of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
Re: [FairfieldLife] Were you there Sal?
I guess you don't have a video camera or we'd have seen videos from you. Addressing the important issues! On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I guess you don't have a video camera or we'd have seen videos from you. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/CaptBebops On 04/02/2014 09:45 AM, Pundit Sir wrote: Such as What We Did Today? Well, I guess if you did anything worth reporting we'd have heard about it. If you owned a camera, I guess you'd have posted a snapshot. It's beginning to look like you don't get out much - I did see the photo you sent of visiting Starbucks one day a few months ago. Maybe you don't own a camera; maybe you don't know how to upload a flat file; maybe you don't have a web site; or maybe you live in a lace that even if you did go out, there's nothing to do or see. Maybe you are just JELLOS. Go figure. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Such as What We Did Today? :-D On 04/02/2014 09:07 AM, Pundit Sir wrote: Addressing the important issues! On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: Sal, is this your mistress driving the Lamborghini? http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/400-000-lamborghini-aventador-air-wild-london-crash-article-1.1741770
[FairfieldLife] Re: HAPPY IN THE SCORPION NATION
Thanks Nabby, that did make me smile. I've done that south bank walk more times than I could count. Shall dance next time, maybe... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYyOl8Q2EI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYyOl8Q2EI
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY in TOKYO
TM is enjoying huge success in Japan, perhaps that's why they are happy ? Support for old-school meditation based on straining is rapidly dwindling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF3JbaN1r2c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF3JbaN1r2c
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Richard, imo The Corrector has gone daft! I answered yes to her question. How is that obfuscating?! I'm guessing that's her way of saying that she didn't understand what I wrote. Anyway, when she gets like this, both negative and nonsensical, it's pointless to continue responding to her. It's ALWAYS pointless to continue responding to her.
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY in DAS VATERLAND
(dance version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD62ZFNoJSc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD62ZFNoJSc
[FairfieldLife] Marshy in Los Angeles
I bet some-a y'all was there! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb-LceeGeCA
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY in BARCELONA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mUS_6o5cMk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mUS_6o5cMk
[FairfieldLife] Charlie Lutes Audio
After listening to this, I understand why Marshy kept Charlie out of the TM limelight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLcNQ0XDl_slist=PL60B0BC93AE954455
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY in ROME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U2D-QrG2sc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U2D-QrG2sc
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Uh-uh-uh, Share, remember what I told you about your mind-reading ability? It's even worse than your grasp of semantics. And believe me, it has not improved since the last time I mentioned it. BTW, Richard can't help you, unfortunately. And just another piece of your smarmy dishonesty: pretending you're the one ending the conversation, when I've already told you never mind twice (see below). Once you decide to leave the mess you created and take off on the obfuscation route, there's no longer any chance for greater clarity. It's all Share nonsense from then on. How do you get all the smarm out of your clothes, by the way? Does dry cleaning do the trick? Or do you wear a special protective outfit when you're writing your FFL posts? Richard, imo The Corrector has gone daft! I answered yes to her question. How is that obfuscating?! I'm guessing that's her way of saying that she didn't understand what I wrote. Anyway, when she gets like this, both negative and nonsensical, it's pointless to continue responding to her. On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:26 AM, Pundit Sir punditster@... wrote: You didn't understand the implications of your answers, Share. Your grasp of semantics is very poor, which is why you always try to cover up your mistakes by obfuscating rather than clarifying them. The Corrector has spoken. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:36 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: You didn't understand the implications of your answers, Share. Your grasp of semantics is very poor, which is why you always try to cover up your mistakes by obfuscating rather than clarifying them. As I said, never mind. Once you decide to take the obfuscation route, as you have in this case, there's no percentage in trying to make an honest woman of you. Judy, I don't think that my long answer invalidated my short answer. My guess is that you didn't understand all of my answer. The long answer invalidated the short one as an actual response to my question (as you know). Never mind. You got yourself in an uncomfortable position, and I know you better than to think you'll be willing to deal with it honestly. Judy, I did answer your question. I said yes. How is that not answering?! No no no, Share, that isn't an answer to the question I asked. If you can't or don't want to answer it, just say so. But don't pretend you did answer it. Judy, short answer: yes. Long answer: I had already read the wikipedia article when your post appeared. And I don't think anybody on the planet is fully developed. For me, in the context of FFL, I find that I guess about how developed someone is by the TONE of MOST of their posts. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:49 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: No, it doesn't. Did you not read the Wikipedia article I linked to? But my question stands even if we use your definition: Are you saying that being an apologist for a belief or idea that is unproveable or that other people think is unreasonable indicates that one is not fully developed? Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:13 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share, do you know what apologist means? Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Because you seem to be saying here that being an apologist indicates that one is not fully developed, i.e., that apologist tendencies indicate a lack of maturity. You might just want to check out the actual meaning of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY IN FIRENZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAWnzrFfJyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAWnzrFfJyQ
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY IN NAPOLI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdsTEk5kc5I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdsTEk5kc5I
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation
I have heard that too, but it seems unlikely that he would have waited from 1999 to what, 2005 to do so? I think he was just loopy - I mean after all who did his pronouncement hurt besides the teachers who had remained loyal to him - the rogues went on teaching authentic TM as if they didn't give a damn what Marshy thought. On Wed, 4/2/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 4:28 PM Seems I recall now the scorpion nation precipitation happened as it became evident and was pointed out to Maharishi who was then holed up in his location with his cultivated groups of upper income followers that some Danish and UK'er TM teachers were out in the field teaching TM to common people for less than the set retail prices then. When these independent rogues then banded together that was seen as really going too far rogue and some really serious treachery too. Maharishi came down on that like a ton of bricks. Damned scorpions. It obviously was the oxytocin. UK'ers and the Danish people must more naturally suffer from either tooo high or too low blood levels of oxytocin in a way that other movement meditators and TM teachers would not. That proly explains a lot of this behavior. Disruptive oxytocin levels is proly in their cultural lack of sunlight they naturally suffer or some lack in their diet, the water they drink or the air they breath. It is a sad condition. Maybe. But you've gotta admit that those Danes are Green and in accord with the Laws Of Nature: Copenhagen Zoo Kills Four Healthy Staff Members To Make Space for New Employees In terms of our own natural history and sciences, very fortunately we don't got scorpions by nature in Iowa. Just the ones that get imported here. And, they don't thrive here at all in our climate,-Buck salyavin808 writes:Scorpion Nation? Ah, that takes me back. 2005 it was, the TMO in the UK had always been strong, and generous, we had three large academies, a purpose built town and a network of lively centres. Marshy's favourite group of devotees, always willing to cough up for yagyas and any other project that came along. Quite the role model for a perfect society you'd think. I was living in a TM centre at the time, not as a devotee, I just needed somewhere to live. They had closed all the academies to pay for the pundit project and encourage us to build vastu ones. Even the one I lived in which was pretty annoying but there you are. But I wasn't a believer at that point, not by a long stretch. I'd seen enough fraud and flakery and was there strictly as a take what you need and leave the rest type. And even that was wearing thin, I was having to avoid all broadcasts on the Marshy channel because they made my skin crawl, except for the weekly press conference. Wish I'd taped some of that, that would be youtube gold. Especially the one where Marshy said that the reason the US hadn't caught Bin Laden was because of our coherence creating and laughed! A surreal and disturbing moment and Hagelin tried to deny he'd meant that but the journalist wasn't convinced, me neither. Anyway, after the Iraq invasion Marshy decided that was the last straw and called the office at Skem to tell the assembled governors that he was closing the movement in the UK as our national consciousness was too poisonous to deserve what he was offering. Amid all the wailing, tears and protests Marshy asked if there was any good reason why he shouldn't. Wish I'd been there to answer that, first there is the obvious illogic of the feeding nectar to the scorpion if the ME worked then we need more TM not less. If it doesn't work we might as well carry on regardless. The idea that there is a critical mass whereby the ME is bad until the threshold is passed and then it becomes good is another layer of madness on top of all the others. It did him no favours. Then there's the political argument. No one liked Tony Blair, he just wasn't as bad as the opposition. That's how democracy works, it's a crap system of government but better than the alternative. Nobody prioritised war when they voted as every party was in favour anyway. Most of the western world went along with the idea that it would be quick and painless and we'd be rid of a vile dictator and be able to control the oil supply much easier. I don't know what the real reason was, maybe Marshy actually believed his delusions about the world, maybe he felt he had to act like it was all real regardless of whether it made sense or not. Maybe he was just nuts at that point, but he'd done it before with Denmark (?) for something to do with the national leader saying the wrong thing,
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY IN CASABLANCA
No strainers here ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnuNA8HkVp0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnuNA8HkVp0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation
Maybe I didn't out that clearly enough, he put the prices up in 1999 and then again in 2002/3. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I have heard that too, but it seems unlikely that he would have waited from 1999 to what, 2005 to do so? I think he was just loopy - I mean after all who did his pronouncement hurt besides the teachers who had remained loyal to him - the rogues went on teaching authentic TM as if they didn't give a damn what Marshy thought. On Wed, 4/2/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Scorpion Nation To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 4:28 PM
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY IN MILAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guguDEyZxdA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guguDEyZxdA
Re: [FairfieldLife] Were you there Sal?
Man what a story! When did you live in Malibu? On Wed, 4/2/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Were you there Sal? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 4:00 P Back when I lived in Malibu, the guy who lived in the apartment underneath mine was a mechanic specializing in flash cars. Every day he'd drive a new Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, or similar beast home and park it in our garage. He used to joke about the owners, who he characterized as having paid for the cars they owned by having had to forfeit 1 IQ point for every $10,000 the cars cost them. Since most of these cars cost $150,000-$200,000, that's a lot of lost IQ points. The only owner he spoke highly of was Miles Davis, whose Ferrari he worked on often. It wasn't that he actually liked Miles (he was more into headbanger music), but he liked working on the car because, in his words, I can stay high for a week just on the amount of cocaine that Miles spills and leaves on his car seats. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Were you there Sal? Sal, is this your mistress driving the Lamborghini? http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/400-000-lamborghini-aventador-air-wild-london-crash-article-1.1741770
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY IN MARRAKECH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAs79I258U4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAs79I258U4
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY IN SALZBURG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UywX_LnrC-w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UywX_LnrC-w
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY IN PRAGUE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVEhv98ATzw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVEhv98ATzw
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY IN KUWAIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwLbj3sEKNg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwLbj3sEKNg
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY IN AGADIR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZjfRPBFHls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZjfRPBFHls
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY IN CAMEROON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS5lOUNii_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS5lOUNii_g
[FairfieldLife] HAPPY IN ABIDJAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3eNHaaNOwQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3eNHaaNOwQ
