[FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Anyone got anything positive to say about this book? I did read it but found it rather dreary. It fails as poetry and it fails as mystical literature. Am I missing something? I remember liking it when I heard Marshy's recital on a rounding course. But I was loved up at the time and the prevailing emotional mood might have coloured my opinion. I didn't get anything out of this video, it makes my teeth ache. Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums? I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any more. And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do. The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them) Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been composed by His Holiness himself. TBG felt to me like he was trying to cram his theories into a story where they don't belong. If you read the verses on their own you get a different idea of what the story is all about. And the technique for gaining enlightenment it describes doesn't remind me of TM at all! SoB,AoL is just scary fundamentalism and probably dangerous with things like its dismissal of all psychiatric help in favour of TM. When I got rid of my TM books down at Oxfam I left it at home in case some one read it and believed it. I think the TMO would be better off rewriting it based on the actual experiences of meditators rather than the hyperbolic madness of Maharshi's vision of the intended goal. Here, Rick Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ Blimey, TM videos are weird, what are all those people sitting in the background supposed to represent?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
Anyone got anything positive to say about this book? I did read it but found it
rather dreary. It fails as poetry and it fails as mystical literature. Am I
missing something?
I remember liking it when I heard Marshy's recital on a rounding course. But I
was loved up at the time and the prevailing emotional mood might have coloured
my opinion.
I didn't get anything out of this video, it makes my teeth ache.
Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven
on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums?
I'm pretty sure that Judas Priest and Motorhead will have been taken out by
Buck-authorized drone strikes, and will have been replaced on the Top Ten with
the recorded mooing of cows and Ghadarva Veda music.
I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time
we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any
more.
And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are
expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was
a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do.
Because cows figure so prominently in the Vedas, I'm pretty sure that in the
AofE the very term will be changed to moo-sic.
The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them)
Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned
by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been
composed by His Holiness himself.
TBG felt to me like he was trying to cram his theories into a story where they
don't belong. If you read the verses on their own you get a different idea of
what the story is all about. And the technique for gaining enlightenment it
describes doesn't remind me of TM at all!
Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your
Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination and honor tell you.
SoB,AoL is just scary fundamentalism and probably dangerous with things like
its dismissal of all psychiatric help in favour of TM.
Back before MIU Press moved away from L.A., they were actually discussing
pulling it back and editing out all the parts that were proving legally
challenging for them.
When I got rid of my TM books down at Oxfam I left it at home in case some one
read it and believed it. I think the TMO would be better off rewriting it based
on the actual experiences of meditators rather than the hyperbolic madness of
Maharshi's vision of the intended goal.
IYou're not suggesting those two things are different, are you? Here, Rick
Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's
words.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ
Blimey, TM videos are weird, what are all those people sitting in the
background supposed to represent?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Ooops. Damned computer sent it before I finished my last comment... From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Anyone got anything positive to say about this book? I did read it but found it rather dreary. It fails as poetry and it fails as mystical literature. Am I missing something? I remember liking it when I heard Marshy's recital on a rounding course. But I was loved up at the time and the prevailing emotional mood might have coloured my opinion. I didn't get anything out of this video, it makes my teeth ache. Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums? I'm pretty sure that Judas Priest and Motorhead will have been taken out by Buck-authorized drone strikes, and will have been replaced on the Top Ten with the recorded mooing of cows and Ghandarva Veda music. I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any more. And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do. Because cows figure so prominently in the Vedas, I'm pretty sure that in the AofE the very term will be changed to moo-sic. The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them) Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been composed by His Holiness himself. TBG felt to me like he was trying to cram his theories into a story where they don't belong. If you read the verses on their own you get a different idea of what the story is all about. And the technique for gaining enlightenment it describes doesn't remind me of TM at all! Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. SoB,AoL is just scary fundamentalism and probably dangerous with things like its dismissal of all psychiatric help in favour of TM. Back before MIU Press moved away from L.A., they were actually discussing pulling it back and editing out all the parts that were proving legally challenging for them. When I got rid of my TM books down at Oxfam I left it at home in case some one read it and believed it. I think the TMO would be better off rewriting it based on the actual experiences of meditators rather than the hyperbolic madness of Maharshi's vision of the intended goal. You're not suggesting those two things are different, are you? Here, Rick Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's words.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ Blimey, TM videos are weird, what are all those people sitting in the background supposed to represent? I'm pretty sure that they are supposed to represent Buck's ideas of what women should be in the Age of Enlightenment -- dressed in saris, subservient, and lost in mindless adoration for Maharishi. The men aren't shown in this video because they're in their own classes, learning how to pilot the drones used to kill anyone who doesn't obey the Laws Of Nature.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your
Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right
and wrong tell you. Ha ha! I never thought of it that way, but you are right.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Ooops. Damned computer sent it before I finished my last comment...
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
Anyone got anything positive to say about this book? I did read it but found it
rather dreary. It fails as poetry and it fails as mystical literature. Am I
missing something?
I remember liking it when I heard Marshy's recital on a rounding course. But I
was loved up at the time and the prevailing emotional mood might have coloured
my opinion.
I didn't get anything out of this video, it makes my teeth ache.
Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven
on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums?
I'm pretty sure that Judas Priest and Motorhead will have been taken out by
Buck-authorized drone strikes, and will have been replaced on the Top Ten with
the recorded mooing of cows and Ghandarva Veda music.
I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time
we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any
more.
And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are
expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was
a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do.
Because cows figure so prominently in the Vedas, I'm pretty sure that in the
AofE the very term will be changed to moo-sic.
The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them)
Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned
by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been
composed by His Holiness himself.
TBG felt to me like he was trying to cram his theories into a story where they
don't belong. If you read the verses on their own you get a different idea of
what the story is all about. And the technique for gaining enlightenment it
describes doesn't remind me of TM at all!
Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your
Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right
and wrong tell you.
SoB,AoL is just scary fundamentalism and probably dangerous with things like
its dismissal of all psychiatric help in favour of TM.
Back before MIU Press moved away from L.A., they were actually discussing
pulling it back and editing out all the parts that were proving legally
challenging for them.
When I got rid of my TM books down at Oxfam I left it at home in case some one
read it and believed it. I think the TMO would be better off rewriting it based
on the actual experiences of meditators rather than the hyperbolic madness of
Maharshi's vision of the intended goal.
You're not suggesting those two things are different, are you?
Here, Rick Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's
words.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ
Blimey, TM videos are weird, what are all those people sitting in the
background supposed to represent?
I'm pretty sure that they are supposed to represent Buck's ideas of what women
should be in the Age of Enlightenment -- dressed in saris, subservient, and
lost in mindless adoration for Maharishi.
The men aren't shown in this video because they're in their own classes,
learning how to pilot the drones used to kill anyone who doesn't obey the Laws
Of Nature.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. Ha ha! I never thought of it that way, but you are right. I'd love to hear those who diss the Koran while praising the Gita explain to me how the latter is any less of a call for Jihad (holy war) than the former. In both books you've got the spiritual figure (Muhammed in the former, Krishna in the latter) telling the faithful that it's their DUTY to go out and kill thousands of people, *just because he says so*. Not only is this the way that they achieve dharma (holy action, right action), it's the way that they attain liberation in the afterlife. The only real difference I can see is that Muhammed promises the dweebs who do what he tells them to do a bunch of virgins in the afterlife and Krishna promises them moksha. And historically, followers of both books have used them to justify their religious wars. My suggestion is that Maharishi (and most commentators on the B-G) have never seen this aspect of it because they grew up conditioned to do whatever a supposedly religious figure told them to do. Devotion to the spiritual figure is seen as a given, something they can't conceive of as being questionable or having negative consequences. Having accepted this as not only normal but the highest dharma, they can't take that critical step back and see that what the religious figure is telling them to do is go out and kill as many of their fellow human beings (in the Gita's case, their own relatives) as possible, just because he says so. In a very real sense, Krishna in the Gita is the counterpart of Buck at FFL. We should send drones to kill these people I have designated as heretics. And we should do this because I say so. So there. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 4:41 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ooops. Damned computer sent it before I finished my last comment... From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Anyone got anything positive to say about this book? I did read it but found it rather dreary. It fails as poetry and it fails as mystical literature. Am I missing something? I remember liking it when I heard Marshy's recital on a rounding course. But I was loved up at the time and the prevailing emotional mood might have coloured my opinion. I didn't get anything out of this video, it makes my teeth ache. Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums? I'm pretty sure that Judas Priest and Motorhead will have been taken out by Buck-authorized drone strikes, and will have been replaced on the Top Ten with the recorded mooing of cows and Ghandarva Veda music. I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any more. And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do. Because cows figure so prominently in the Vedas, I'm pretty sure that in the AofE the very term will be changed to moo-sic. The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them) Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been composed by His Holiness himself. TBG felt to me like he was trying to cram his theories into a story where they don't belong. If you read the verses on their own you get a different idea of what the story is all about. And the technique for gaining enlightenment it describes doesn't remind me of TM at all! Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. SoB,AoL is just scary fundamentalism and probably dangerous with things like its dismissal of all psychiatric help in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven
on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums?
I'm pretty sure that Judas Priest and Motorhead will have been taken out by
Buck-authorized drone strikes, and will have been replaced on the Top Ten with
the recorded mooing of cows and Ghandarva Veda music.
I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time
we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any
more.
And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are
expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was
a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do.
Because cows figure so prominently in the Vedas, I'm pretty sure that in the
AofE the very term will be changed to moo-sic.
The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them)
Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned
by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been
composed by His Holiness himself.
TBG felt to me like he was trying to cram his theories into a story where they
don't belong. If you read the verses on their own you get a different idea of
what the story is all about. And the technique for gaining enlightenment it
describes doesn't remind me of TM at all!
Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your
Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right
and wrong tell you.
SoB,AoL is just scary fundamentalism and probably dangerous with things like
its dismissal of all psychiatric help in favour of TM.
Back before MIU Press moved away from L.A., they were actually discussing
pulling it back and editing out all the parts that were proving legally
challenging for them.
When I got rid of my TM books down at Oxfam I left it at home in case some one
read it and believed it. I think the TMO would be better off rewriting it based
on the actual experiences of meditators rather than the hyperbolic madness of
Maharshi's vision of the intended goal.
You're not suggesting those two things are different, are you?
Here, Rick Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's
words.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ
Blimey, TM videos are weird, what are all those people sitting in the
background supposed to represent?
I'm pretty sure that they are supposed to represent Buck's ideas of what women
should be in the Age of Enlightenment -- dressed in saris, subservient, and
lost in mindless adoration for Maharishi.
The men aren't shown in this video because they're in their own classes,
learning how to pilot the drones used to kill anyone who doesn't obey the Laws
Of Nature.
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[FairfieldLife] Mooooo Making (was Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi)
Ooops. Damned computer sent it before I finished my last comment... And did it again. Deleted first one, trying again below... From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums? I'm pretty sure that Judas Priest and Motorhead will have been taken out by Buck-authorized drone strikes, and will have been replaced on the Top Ten with the recorded mooing of cows and Ghandarva Veda music. I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any more. And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do. Because cows figure so prominently in the Vedas, I'm pretty sure that in the AofE the very term will be changed to moo-sic. Still looking for the perfect Xmas gift for your TM-TB friends? This could be the first consumer product of the Age of Enlightenment you've been waiting for... The Vishwa Hindu Parishad Launches Soap, Toothpaste And Skin Cream Made From Cow Urine | | | | | | | | | | | The Vishwa Hindu Parishad Launches Soap, Toothpaste A...Wtf? | | | | View on www.indiatimes.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Greek: You arrogant sack of shit. Our civilization has it all figured out. What has yours done? Indian: Well we developed the concept of zero -- which even your future conquerors will be blind to, creating an obtuse numbering system. We have a system of math which your conquerors conquerors will call algebra. We have developed thing cube roots and have the foundations of something like what your future Age of Enlightenment (cough) greatest scientists/witches will call calculus. We have developed a theory of the atom something you will stumble upon later, but sort of still get it wrong. We are onto an equivalence of light and matter which it will take your civilization 2000 years and a lot of yelling and screaming to get to. We have, relative to your crude versions abilities to distill perfumes, aromatic liquids, manufacture dyes and pigments, and extract sugar from plants (sugar is something that will blow your minds in about a 1000 years -- so much so you will inhumanely enslave millions just to get a taste of it). We have an extensive medical science way beyond your crude understanding of how the body works and how to cure its ills and have a refined practice something your civilization will stumble upon in 1000 or so called surgery. We have massive texts detailing this knowledge. Our language is based on a deep understanding of sound. Our grammar is so concise and profound, 200 years from now what your civilizations far flung children's computer scientists and linguists will marvel at. Our music is light years ahead of your crude attempts. We have advanced the smelting of metals is far beyond your current capabilities. Our astronomical knowledge is 1000 years ahead of yours. Our civil engineering architecture is many levels more precise than yours. We build far better ships, have explore vast parts of this round globe (a concept your civilization won't stumble upon for centuries) and have created games such as chess which 2000 years will still be seen as a hugely challenging game. And playing cards which -- 2000 years from now your civilization will build vast cities simply to play these games (forgetting they are mere games and should not divert so much attention away from the important aspects of life. Spiritually, we see divine love within everything. We treat all creatures with respect and love. Our arts are so detailed and deep, it may take your civilization 3000 years to comprehend them fully. We believe the purpose of life is to expand happiness, to enable each person to grow to their fullest potential, and we have build our civilization around nurturing that ideal. I simply cannot resist reposting this rant from a few days ago next to an article from HuffPostIndia today. While some of the things claimed about the glorious past of India may be true, today -- 2000 years later -- over half of Indian households (close to 700 million people) don't have access to a toilet. The Right to Pee Movement for Access to Bathrooms Is Gaining Momentum Across India | | | | | | | | | | | The Right to Pee Movement for Access to Bathrooms Is G...Recent census data shows that more than half of Indian households lack access to a bathroom | | | | View on www.huffingtonpost... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
Assessing civilization by it its number of toilets is a wonderful metric and embodies all that makes the United States (and Netherlands) the greatest countries in the world. Toilets are a grand testament to our technological savvy in designing billion dollar systems to rid ourselves of icky stuff. I mean its just organic crap like nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium and all that boring like chemistry stuff Good riddance. Far more sophisticated to use civilized chemical fertilizers. We get to to use all those magnificent big, high tech mining machines to transform the earth from mere dirt to huge craters. Ah the glories western civilization. We rock. And look at countries like india -- they produce only 10% as much CO2 per capital of the US (15% as much as the Dutch). What losers. Would you believe that I actually read Small is Beautiful back the mid 70's. I have to laugh -- back in college I was so deluded. What a hoot. A totally looney-bin hippie manifesto. Schumaker probably hated toilets. and would have tooted graywater and growing fresh vegetables. As if !. I am glad men of the world like us see through such garbage. Came across a review the other day. I think the copious amounts of acid his mother must of taken never really left the writers brain. Small is Beautiful was a radical challenge to the 20th century's intoxication with what Schumacher described as gigantism. For several decades, mass production methods were producing more cheap goods than ever before; the mass media and mass culture opened up new opportunities to a wider audience than ever. It was creating bigger markets and bigger political entities. .. he believed such scale led to a dehumanisation of people and the economic systems that ordered their lives. One of the recurrent themes through the book is how modern organisations stripped the satisfaction out of work, making the worker no more than an anonymous cog in a huge machine. Craft skill was no longer important, nor was the quality of human relationship: human beings were expected to act like adjuncts to the machines of the production line. The economic system was similarly dehumanising, making decisions on the basis of profitability rather than human need... What Schumacher wanted was a people-centred economics because that would, in his view, enable environmental and human sustainability. It was a radical challenge which, like many of the ideas of the late 60s and early 70s (feminism is another example), were gradually adopted and distorted by the ongoing voracious expansion of consumer capitalism. ... a small is beautiful model of economic enterprise that put relationship, craft and environment at the heart of their way of working .. were later snaffled up by corporate giants. Small became cool but only as part of a branding strategy which masked the ongoing concentration of political and economic power. Gigantism has triumphed. The power of the global multinational and the financial institutions was beginning to become apparent in the early 70s, but it has grown exponentially since, unaccountable to national governments. Schumacher warned that a city's population should not rise above 500,000, but we are now living in an era of the megapolis and several cities around the world are heading towards 20m. Schumacher would be weeping over his herbal tea at the fate of his big idea. ... We yearn for economic systems within our control, within our comprehension and that once again provide space for human interaction – and yet we are constantly overwhelmed by finding ourselves trapped into vast global economic systems that are corrupting and corrupt. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
At the end of the day, I think that we can safely say that anyone -- in any country -- who prefers a bunch of intellectual gobbledygook to having a comfortable place to take a crap in is full of shit and likely to stay that way. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : At the end of the day, I think that we can safely say that anyone -- in any country -- who prefers a bunch of intellectual gobbledygook to having a comfortable place to take a crap in is full of shit and likely to stay that way. :-) I was just looking for a source for the quote: If India had as many first rate plumbers as it's got second rate holy men it would be doing okay.. ...but couldn't find one because the search term Indian plumbers quote just gets a list of people called Patel who will come round and let you know how much they charge. I always thought it was from Gandhi perhaps in a moment of exasperation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
And thank your lucky stars you will always have FFL as a comfortable place of repose.:)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mooooo Making (was Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Still looking for the perfect Xmas gift for your TM-TB friends? This could be the first consumer product of the Age of Enlightenment you've been waiting for... Shame Nabby isn't here to see this, urine toothpaste sounds like just the thing to get those last tricky bits of brain out from between the teeth. The Vishwa Hindu Parishad Launches Soap, Toothpaste And Skin Cream Made From Cow Urine http://www.indiatimes.com/news/weird/the-vishwa-hindu-parishad-launches-soap-toothpaste-and-skin-cream-made-from-cow-urine-228860.html http://www.indiatimes.com/news/weird/the-vishwa-hindu-parishad-launches-soap-toothpaste-and-skin-cream-made-from-cow-urine-228860.html The Vishwa Hindu Parishad Launches Soap, Toothpaste A... http://www.indiatimes.com/news/weird/the-vishwa-hindu-parishad-launches-soap-toothpaste-and-skin-cream-made-from-cow-urine-228860.html Wtf? View on www.indiatimes.com http://www.indiatimes.com/news/weird/the-vishwa-hindu-parishad-launches-soap-toothpaste-and-skin-cream-made-from-cow-urine-228860.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : At the end of the day, I think that we can safely say that anyone -- in any country -- who prefers a bunch of intellectual gobbledygook to having a comfortable place to take a crap in is full of shit and likely to stay that way. :-) I was just looking for a source for the quote: If India had as many first rate plumbers as it's got second rate holy men it would be doing okay.. ...but couldn't find one because the search term Indian plumbers quote just gets a list of people called Patel who will come round and let you know how much they charge. I always thought it was from Gandhi perhaps in a moment of exasperation. The only comparable quote I can come up with is: People use the word 'guru' because 'charlatan' is so hard to spell. -- Peter Drucker
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proposition: Awareness Exists (was Buddhist Logic)
s3raphita, huh? What do you mean when you say that every real problem must have a solution? Anyway, I like what you hint at and agree: that the satisfaction resides in the process rather than in arriving at an answer. But only for certain questions (-: From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 10:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proposition: Awareness Exists (was Buddhist Logic) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Suppose, in relation to 'consciousness', even with enlightenment, this matter could never satisfactorily be resolved? Suppose you could experience the truth, if such be possible, but it could never be understood by the intellect and ultimately never be reconciled logically? That would suck but we'd have to live with it. There are problems that people tried to solve but we now know are insoluble - like squaring the circle (as Pi is irrational). But any *real* problem must have a rational solution. It could be we're not smart enough to get at the answer (God knows as we say) but I salute those who've tried to find one. The least I would claim is that the attempts that have been made to attack these fundamental issues have given us some astonishingly beautiful writings. Perhaps in the end they are just poetry and we can't say anything literally correct but I hope there are always those prepared to make further assaults on these puzzles as each new attempt reveals a facet of the truth. Every thing possible to be believed is an image of truth (William Blake) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I'm working two contradictory theses here! 1) idealism: only mind exists. 2) panpsychism: all matter *has* awareness.They can be reconciled but it's too much like hard work to do so on a FFL post. I answer your queries below . . . Re What other paradigm other than your own experience of human awareness are you working from?: That is my point exactly! You take *human* awareness as the paradigm of awareness and start wagging your finger at everything that comes within your experience that departs radically from your comfort zone. C: No finger wagging here. My comfort zone has nothing to do with this intellectual exercise any more that I suppose it does for you, right? Of course planets and stars can't communicate with us - why would they need to communicate? C: Wait a second, are you uncomfortable with them communicating? Any finger wagging going on? Just checking. I don't know if they can't, I just don't see any evidence of it. Language originated amongst humans as a survival mechanism in the struggle for existence. A planet ain't got no enemies. Maybe planets they turn their noses up at us for not being the gods they are. The philosopher Fechner made the case for planets having awareness (see William James' quote below). He pointed out that we think we're superior to a planet as we can move around where we wish. But the only reason animals can move is that it gives them the edge over plants in the search for food. Planets don't need food so why would they need to move? And so on . . . Our need of moving to and fro, of stretching our limbs and bending our bodies, shows only our defect. What are our legs but crutches, by means of which, with restless efforts, we go hunting after the things we have not inside of ourselves. But the Earth is no such cripple; why should she who already possesses within herself the things we so painfully pursue, have limbs analogous to ours? Shall she mimic a small part of herself? What need has she of arms, with nothing to reach for? of a neck, with no head to carry? of eyes or nose when she finds her way through space without either, and has the millions of eyes of all her animals to guide their movements on her surface, and all their noses to smell the flowers that grow? For, as we are ourselves a part of the earth, so our organs are her organs. She is, as it were, eye and ear over her whole extent--all that we see and hear in separation she sees and hears at once. She brings forth living beings of countless kinds upon her surface, and their multitudinous conscious relations with each other she takes up into her higher and more general conscious life.Most of us, considering the theory that the whole terrestrial mass is animated as our bodies are, make the mistake of working the analogy too literally, and allowing for no differences. If the earth be a sentient organism, we say, where are her brain and nerves? What corresponds to her heart and lungs? In other words, we expect functions which she already performs through us, to be performed outside of us again, and in just the same way. But we see perfectly well how the earth performs some of these functions in a way unlike our way. If
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mooooo Making (was Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi)
I am heartened to see you abhor icky things like urine as much as me. I mean just because its virtually sterile when leaving the body (ha, urine drops the body) doesn't make it any less scary. And all that crap that it is a quite effective fertilizer. look at this laughable article from that hippie / Occupy Wall St. / organic food cult rag, Scientific American. I am sure at the end of the day we can all agree its far more civilized to put in our mouths great things like rancid pieces of pig flesh, raised literally in pig shit, filled with the marvels of modern big pharma, violently killed and then hung to let its blood drip slowly to the ground. :) Gee Whiz: Human Urine Is Shown to Be an Effective Agricultural Fertilizer http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/ Gee Whiz: Human Urine Is Shown to Be an Effective A... http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/ Researchers say our liquid waste not only promotes plant growth as well as industrial mineral fertilizers, but also would save energy used on sewage treatment View on www.scientificamerica... http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mooooo Making (was Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi)
I see that one of the comments raised the same question as I had: what about all that salt? I imagine with sufficient rainfall, it would be ok. But, if applied by irrigation in an otherwise dry area, it could be a problem. I know in Fairfield, at the big TMO greenhouses a couple miles north of me, they had to install a huge reverse osmosis system to demineralize the municipal water they use for irrigation because mineral crust was building up in the soil. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerd...@yahoo.com wrote : I am heartened to see you abhor icky things like urine as much as me. I mean just because its virtually sterile when leaving the body (ha, urine drops the body) doesn't make it any less scary. And all that crap that it is a quite effective fertilizer. look at this laughable article from that hippie / Occupy Wall St. / organic food cult rag, Scientific American. I am sure at the end of the day we can all agree its far more civilized to put in our mouths great things like rancid pieces of pig flesh, raised literally in pig shit, filled with the marvels of modern big pharma, violently killed and then hung to let its blood drip slowly to the ground. :) Gee Whiz: Human Urine Is Shown to Be an Effective Agricultural Fertilizer http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/ Gee Whiz: Human Urine Is Shown to Be an Effective A... http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/ Researchers say our liquid waste not only promotes plant growth as well as industrial mineral fertilizers, but also would save energy used on sewage treatment View on www.scientificamerica... http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mooooo Making (was Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : I am heartened to see you abhor icky things like urine as much as me. I mean just because its virtually sterile when leaving the body (ha, urine drops the body) doesn't make it any less scary. It's so wholesome one wonders why we dispose of it at all! And all that crap that it is a quite effective fertilizer. look at this laughable article from that hippie / Occupy Wall St. / organic food cult rag, Scientific American. Luckily using something as fertiliser doesn't mean you ingest any of it as things don't become the soil they are grown in. Unless you don't wash well enough... I am sure at the end of the day we can all agree its far more civilized to put in our mouths great things like rancid pieces of pig flesh, raised literally in pig shit, filled with the marvels of modern big pharma, violently killed and then hung to let its blood drip slowly to the ground. :) There is a difference between excrement and meat though isn't there? Other creatures instinctively understand and avoid their waste, for us to do otherwise would be odd behaviour. Eating rancid things would be odd too Gee Whiz: Human Urine Is Shown to Be an Effective Agricultural Fertilizer http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/ Gee Whiz: Human Urine Is Shown to Be an Effective A... http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/ Researchers say our liquid waste not only promotes plant growth as well as industrial mineral fertilizers, but also would save energy used on sewage treatment View on www.scientificamerica... http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mooooo Making (was Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi)
JAS: I see that one of the comments raised the same question as I had: what about all that salt? I imagine with sufficient rainfall, it would be ok. I have been using it in my garden with no ill effects. One golden rule is to dilute it -- around 5:1 or more before pouring on the plants. And spreading it around. At original strength, the nitrogen is potent enough to burn roots -- just like chemical fertilizers. I also do instant composting (blend fruit and vegetable scraps, coffee grounds, used tea leaves, etc) in blender (umm, pre urine). And then mix with diluted urine. It helps fill out the urine fertilizer complex as well as further dilute it. And the urine accelerates further decomposition of the liquified compost. Plus, if you use vitamin and mineral supplements, amounts not at that moment needed by the body are pea'ed away. Recycling them in the garden (appears) to help nourish healthy vibrant plants. And I eat very little sodium chloride -- so its less of a problems. (I use potassium chloride as a salt substitute and assume the potassium is absorbed by the plants and not built up. And urine can help keep critters away. And it depends on your soil. I have brought in my own organic topsoil thus it does not have the clay problem that is more susceptible to salt build up. Using urine in the garden takes almost no extra time or effort. While high density urban dwellers may have less gardening applications, houseplants and potted deck gardens (not to mention indoor light / hydroponics gardens) would in most cases more than use the daily golden stream. If adopted universally, it would result in huge environmental healing and improvements. (among many other benefits, including reduction of harmful algae blooms. Harmful algal blooms are overgrowths of algae in water. Some produce dangerous toxins in fresh or marine water but even nontoxic blooms hurt the environment and local economies. (Speaking of algae, algae has a high energy content and strains are being developed to amplify such -- as well as more efficient technologies to harvest algae oil. So urine could become a major input to rather large a benign sustainable energy source. ) A blurb from What is in urine? http://www.waldeneffect.org/blog/What_is_in_urine__63__/ http://www.waldeneffect.org/blog/What_is_in_urine__63__/ What is in urine? http://www.waldeneffect.org/blog/What_is_in_urine__63__/ Urine has an NPK of 11-1-2.5 and is also quite high in salt. You can use urine as fertilizer without building up salt in the soil by using a few precautions. View on www.waldeneffect.org http://www.waldeneffect.org/blog/What_is_in_urine__63__/ Preview by Yahoo Alternatively, just spread urine around a lot, never focusing on one part of the garden, and salt buildup will probably be minimal. Finally, a doctor-gardener profiled inLiquid Gold (and pictured here) took a more proactive approach --- he put himself on a low-salt diet so that his plants wouldn't be hindered by the salty urine. I wasn't entirely content with Carol Steinfeld's answers about salty soil, so I did a little research of my own. Although extension service and USDA websites don't talk about applying urine to your plants, they do have answers for salt buildups from other sources. Reading between the lines, I would suggest applying your urine to salt-tolerant crops http://www.ussl.ars.usda.gov/pls/caliche/SALTT42C such as asparagus and zucchini, while steering clear of salt-haters like beans, carrots, okra, onions, parsnips, peas, and strawberries. Don't apply urine to waterlogged or high clay soil since these soils will hold onto the salt no matter what you do --- sounds like we should keep our urine out of the badly-drained back garden. If you're concerned that http://www.liquidgoldbook.com/uncategorized/new-photos-and-lor/you've overdone it, you could send your soil in to be tested by the experts, or you can follow the Colorado State University Extension http://www.ext.colostate.edu/mg/gardennotes/224.html's lead and use bean plants as biological indicators: Bean plants are rather salt sensitive and can be used to help assess salt problems. In a garden, if beans are doing well, soluble salts are not a problem. The cure for salty soil is adding lots of water (6 to 24 inches in a slow, continuous stream) to leach the salts out. As long as you understand how to prevent salt buildup in the soil, it sounds like urine is a great fertilizer. Liquid Gold's website http://www.liquidgoldbook.com/uncategorized/new-photos-and-lor/ includes some beautiful pictures from gardeners who fertilize with urine, and we're keen to work the kinks out of applying urine to our own farm. Stay tuned for tomorrow's post about the nitty-gritty of urine fertilizing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
This what happens when you get centuries of oppression by the Dutch, Portuguese and Brits. Oh and a few centuries of arrogant rajas too. On 12/14/2014 03:45 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */I simply cannot resist reposting this rant from a few days ago next to an article from HuffPostIndia today. While some of the things claimed about the glorious past of India may be true, today -- 2000 years later -- over half of Indian households (close to 700 million people) don't have access to a toilet. /* */ /* */The Right to Pee Movement for Access to Bathrooms Is Gaining Momentum Across India http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sarmishta-ramesh/the-right-to-pee-movement_b_6315686.html?utm_hp_ref=india/* image http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sarmishta-ramesh/the-right-to-pee-movement_b_6315686.html?utm_hp_ref=india The Right to Pee Movement for Access to Bathrooms Is G... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sarmishta-ramesh/the-right-to-pee-movement_b_6315686.html?utm_hp_ref=india Recent census data shows that more than half of Indian households lack access to a bathroom View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sarmishta-ramesh/the-right-to-pee-movement_b_6315686.html?utm_hp_ref=india Preview by Yahoo
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I read Small is Beautiful too as well as his next book. And also Kirkpatrick Sales Human Scale. I don't recall the toilet thing but more of a thing about corporations driving things out of control and automation taking things over. But as we can see no one worries about machines taking over these days and corporations are all good. ;-) On 12/14/2014 07:08 AM, seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Assessing civilization by it its number of toilets is a wonderful metric and embodies all that makes the United States (and Netherlands) the greatest countries in the world. Toilets are a grand testament to our technological savvy in designing billion dollar systems to rid ourselves of icky stuff. I mean its just organic crap like nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium and all that boring like chemistry stuff Good riddance. Far more sophisticated to use civilized chemical fertilizers. We get to to use all those magnificent big, high tech mining machines to transform the earth from mere dirt to huge craters. Ah the glories western civilization. We rock. And look at countries like india -- they produce only 10% as much CO2 per capital of the US (15% as much as the Dutch). What losers. Would you believe that I actually read Small is Beautiful back the mid 70's. I have to laugh -- back in college I was so deluded. What a hoot. A totally looney-bin hippie manifesto. Schumaker probably hated toilets. and would have tooted graywater and growing fresh vegetables. As if !. I am glad men of the world like us see through such garbage. Came across a review the other day. I think the copious amounts of acid his mother must of taken never really left the writers brain. Small is Beautiful was a radical challenge to the 20th century's intoxication with what Schumacher described as gigantism. For several decades, mass production methods were producing more cheap goods than ever before; the mass media and mass culture opened up new opportunities to a wider audience than ever. It was creating bigger markets and bigger political entities. .. he believed such scale led to a dehumanisation of people and the economic systems that ordered their lives. One of the recurrent themes through the book is how modern organisations stripped the satisfaction out of work, making the worker no more than an anonymous cog in a huge machine. Craft skill was no longer important, nor was the quality of human relationship: human beings were expected to act like adjuncts to the machines of the production line. The economic system was similarly dehumanising, making decisions on the basis of profitability rather than human need... What Schumacher wanted was a people-centred economics because that would, in his view, enable environmental and human sustainability. It was a radical challenge which, like many of the ideas of the late 60s and early 70s (feminism is another example), were gradually adopted and distorted by the ongoing voracious expansion of consumer capitalism. ... a small is beautiful model of economic enterprise that put relationship, craft and environment at the heart of their way of working .. were later snaffled up by corporate giants. Small became cool but only as part of a branding strategy which masked the ongoing concentration of political and economic power. Gigantism has triumphed. The power of the global multinational and the financial institutions was beginning to become apparent in the early 70s, but it has grown exponentially since, unaccountable to national governments. Schumacher warned that a city's population should not rise above 500,000, but we are now living in an era of the megapolis and several cities around the world are heading towards 20m. Schumacher would be weeping over his herbal tea at the fate of his big idea. ... We yearn for economic systems within our control, within our comprehension and that once again provide space for human interaction – and yet we are constantly overwhelmed by finding ourselves trapped into vast global economic systems that are corrupting and corrupt. .
[FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
I've been thinking about humor - how some things strike some as so funny and others as not at all. I had to be taught by others in early adulthood to appreciate the absurd, for example, as that element of humor was lacking in my upbringing. This article is from 2012 so may have crossed here already. It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/05/21/its-no-joke-to-self-deceivers/ http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/05/21/its-no-joke-to-self-deceivers/ It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/05/21/its-no-joke-to-self-deceivers/ People who fail to see the absurdity in themselves may also fail to notice absurdity more broadly. View on blogs.wsj.com http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/05/21/its-no-joke-to-self-deceivers/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
Great article and great concept, Emily. Thanks for posting both.
I don't talk about my time with the Rama guy much here because some are averse
to it and freak out, but one of the things I'm most grateful to that teacher
and that whole trip for is that my time there taught me to laugh at myself a
lot more. Relating it to this study, the more self-importance (and thus
self-deception) I managed to drop, the more in life I found funny, and the more
I laughed. In a way it was very Castanedan and his suggestion that one of the
reasons his characters don Juan and don Gennero were such funny guys was that
they had gotten past their self-importance.
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
I've been thinking about humor - how some things strike some as so funny
and others as not at all. I had to be taught by others in early adulthood to
appreciate the absurd, for example, as that element of humor was lacking in my
upbringing. This article is from 2012 so may have crossed here already.
It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers
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see the absurdity in themselves may also fail to notice absurdity more broadly.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
The ability to laugh at oneself typically increases with age and experience. I thought you would appreciate this. Absurdity is everywhere in the human condition, but there are those that can't objectify (at least to some degree) or pick up on the often subtle nuances of a situation to see it as a reflection of themselves or said human condition. I have found that those that personalize everything are particularly unable to do this. Of course, I have made the mistake also of living the approach of absurdity to such a degree that I clean forgot how to take my life seriously and also how to ground the absurd within in a way that shows respect for life and others. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Great article and great concept, Emily. Thanks for posting both. I don't talk about my time with the Rama guy much here because some are averse to it and freak out, but one of the things I'm most grateful to that teacher and that whole trip for is that my time there taught me to laugh at myself a lot more. Relating it to this study, the more self-importance (and thus self-deception) I managed to drop, the more in life I found funny, and the more I laughed. In a way it was very Castanedan and his suggestion that one of the reasons his characters don Juan and don Gennero were such funny guys was that they had gotten past their self-importance. From: emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 6:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception I've been thinking about humor - how some things strike some as so funny and others as not at all. I had to be taught by others in early adulthood to appreciate the absurd, for example, as that element of humor was lacking in my upbringing. This article is from 2012 so may have crossed here already. It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/05/21/its-no-joke-to-self-deceivers/ http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/05/21/its-no-joke-to-self-deceivers/ It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/05/21/its-no-joke-to-self-deceivers/ People who fail to see the absurdity in themselves may also fail to notice absurdity more broadly. View on blogs.wsj.com http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/05/21/its-no-joke-to-self-deceivers/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
From: emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
The ability to laugh at oneself typically increases with age and
experience. I thought you would appreciate this. Absurdity is everywhere in the
human condition, but there are those that can't objectify (at least to some
degree) or pick up on the often subtle nuances of a situation to see it as a
reflection of themselves or said human condition. I have found that those that
personalize everything are particularly unable to do this. Of course, I have
made the mistake also of living the approach of absurdity to such a degree
that I clean forgot how to take my life seriously and also how to ground the
absurd within in a way that shows respect for life and others.
Relating this to Carlos Castaneda again, he spoke (and occasionally eloquently)
of this dance along the razor's edge of absurd and serious as controlled
folly. I always loved that term, and that concept. It kinda describes my life.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Great article and great concept, Emily. Thanks for posting both.
I don't talk about my time with the Rama guy much here because some are averse
to it and freak out, but one of the things I'm most grateful to that teacher
and that whole trip for is that my time there taught me to laugh at myself a
lot more. Relating it to this study, the more self-importance (and thus
self-deception) I managed to drop, the more in life I found funny, and the more
I laughed. In a way it was very Castanedan and his suggestion that one of the
reasons his characters don Juan and don Gennero were such funny guys was that
they had gotten past their self-importance.
From: emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 6:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
I've been thinking about humor - how some things strike some as so funny and
others as not at all. I had to be taught by others in early adulthood to
appreciate the absurd, for example, as that element of humor was lacking in my
upbringing. This article is from 2012 so may have crossed here already.
It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers
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| | | | It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers People who fail to see the
absurdity in themselves may also fail to notice absurdity more broadly. | |
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[FairfieldLife] For Aaron Sorkin fans...and detractors
Before you watch (or scorn) the last episode of The Newsroom tonight, here's an insightful review from the only American TV critic I ever read. Like many, he clearly has a love/hate relationship with the man. But the love side of him puts together at the end of the article ten priceless moments from Sorkin's history that illustrate well why we'll miss him. 'I am God,' Dan's apology, and other reasons we put up with Aaron Sorkin | | | | | | | | | | | 'I am God,' Dan's apology, and other reasons we put up w...With 'The Newsroom' about to end, let's revisit Sorkin's better moments | | | | View on www.hitfix.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
O.K. Get ready...do you mean controlled foolishness? I've gotta take my dog for a walk. Trying to take my JRT on a walk through a neighborhood replete with squirrels, rabbits, raccoons, and even deer at times is foolishness on my part, so I think we'll head to the lake. She's not much of a swimmer. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception The ability to laugh at oneself typically increases with age and experience. I thought you would appreciate this. Absurdity is everywhere in the human condition, but there are those that can't objectify (at least to some degree) or pick up on the often subtle nuances of a situation to see it as a reflection of themselves or said human condition. I have found that those that personalize everything are particularly unable to do this. Of course, I have made the mistake also of living the approach of absurdity to such a degree that I clean forgot how to take my life seriously and also how to ground the absurd within in a way that shows respect for life and others. Relating this to Carlos Castaneda again, he spoke (and occasionally eloquently) of this dance along the razor's edge of absurd and serious as controlled folly. I always loved that term, and that concept. It kinda describes my life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Great article and great concept, Emily. Thanks for posting both. I don't talk about my time with the Rama guy much here because some are averse to it and freak out, but one of the things I'm most grateful to that teacher and that whole trip for is that my time there taught me to laugh at myself a lot more. Relating it to this study, the more self-importance (and thus self-deception) I managed to drop, the more in life I found funny, and the more I laughed. In a way it was very Castanedan and his suggestion that one of the reasons his characters don Juan and don Gennero were such funny guys was that they had gotten past their self-importance. From: emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 6:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception I've been thinking about humor - how some things strike some as so funny and others as not at all. I had to be taught by others in early adulthood to appreciate the absurd, for example, as that element of humor was lacking in my upbringing. This article is from 2012 so may have crossed here already. It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/05/21/its-no-joke-to-self-deceivers/ http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/05/21/its-no-joke-to-self-deceivers/ It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/05/21/its-no-joke-to-self-deceivers/ People who fail to see the absurdity in themselves may also fail to notice absurdity more broadly. View on blogs.wsj.com http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/05/21/its-no-joke-to-self-deceivers/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
From: emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
O.K. Get ready...do you mean controlled foolishness? I've gotta
take my dog for a walk. Trying to take my JRT on a walk through a neighborhood
replete with squirrels, rabbits, raccoons, and even deer at times is
foolishness on my part, so I think we'll head to the lake. She's not much of a
swimmer. :)
Good question. Without looking it up, I find that I do not consider 'folly' a
synonym for 'foolishness.' Looking it up, I find that the first definition I
find on Google disagrees with me, and does:fol·lynounnoun: folly; plural noun:
Follies
- 1. lack of good sense; foolishness.an act of sheer folly
- a foolish act, idea, or practice.plural noun: folliesthe follies of
youth
| synonyms: | foolishness, foolhardiness, stupidity, idiocy,
lunacy, madness, rashness, recklessness, imprudence, injudiciousness,
irresponsibility, thoughtlessness, indiscretion; informalcraziness the folly
of youth |
| antonyms: | wisdom |
- 2. a costly ornamental building with no practical purpose, especially a
tower or mock-Gothic ruin built in a large garden or park.
From the *outside*, many things can be considered 'folly.' IMO, *most* of the
historically-recorded actions of *most* spiritual teachers this planet has
ever known can be put in that category.
But were these actions 'foolishness?'
So I guess I'm gonna go more for definition #2. 'Folly' can also be doing
something that has no practical purpose -- like living and trying to live as
cool a life as you can manage -- but doing it while knowing full well that most
people on earth are going to consider your efforts nothing but 'ornamental,'
and thus the actions themselves 'foolishness.' :-)
There are whole spiritual traditions on this planet who consider 'folly' to be
synonymous with the word chosen in this definition as its antonym: 'wisdom.'
:-)
The Beatles - The Fool On The Hill
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
The ability to laugh at oneself typically increases with age and experience. I
thought you would appreciate this. Absurdity is everywhere in the human
condition, but there are those that can't objectify (at least to some degree)
or pick up on the often subtle nuances of a situation to see it as a reflection
of themselves or said human condition. I have found that those that
personalize everything are particularly unable to do this. Of course, I have
made the mistake also of living the approach of absurdity to such a degree
that I clean forgot how to take my life seriously and also how to ground the
absurd within in a way that shows respect for life and others.
Relating this to Carlos Castaneda again, he spoke (and occasionally eloquently)
of this dance along the razor's edge of absurd and serious as controlled
folly. I always loved that term, and that concept. It kinda describes my life.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Great article and great concept, Emily. Thanks for posting both.
I don't talk about my time with the Rama guy much here because some are averse
to it and freak out, but one of the things I'm most grateful to that teacher
and that whole trip for is that my time there taught me to laugh at myself a
lot more. Relating it to this study, the more self-importance (and thus
self-deception) I managed to drop, the more in life I found funny, and the more
I laughed. In a way it was very Castanedan and his suggestion that one of the
reasons his characters don Juan and don Gennero were such funny guys was that
they had gotten past their self-importance.
From: emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 6:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
I've been thinking about humor - how some things strike some as so funny and
others as not at all. I had to be taught by others in early adulthood to
appreciate the absurd, for example, as that element of humor was lacking in my
upbringing. This article is from 2012 so may have crossed here already.
It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers
| |
| | | | It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers People who fail to see the
absurdity in themselves may also fail to notice absurdity more broadly. | |
| View on blogs.wsj.com| Preview by Yahoo |
| |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
BTW, compare to definition #2 below. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception From: emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception O.K. Get ready...do you mean controlled foolishness? I've gotta take my dog for a walk. Trying to take my JRT on a walk through a neighborhood replete with squirrels, rabbits, raccoons, and even deer at times is foolishness on my part, so I think we'll head to the lake. She's not much of a swimmer. :) Good question. Without looking it up, I find that I do not consider 'folly' a synonym for 'foolishness.' Looking it up, I find that the first definition I find on Google disagrees with me, and does:fol·lynounnoun: folly; plural noun: Follies - 1. lack of good sense; foolishness.an act of sheer folly - a foolish act, idea, or practice.plural noun: folliesthe follies of youth | synonyms: | foolishness, foolhardiness, stupidity, idiocy, lunacy, madness, rashness, recklessness, imprudence, injudiciousness, irresponsibility, thoughtlessness, indiscretion; informalcraziness the folly of youth | | antonyms: | wisdom | - 2. a costly ornamental building with no practical purpose, especially a tower or mock-Gothic ruin built in a large garden or park. From the *outside*, many things can be considered 'folly.' IMO, *most* of the historically-recorded actions of *most* spiritual teachers this planet has ever known can be put in that category. But were these actions 'foolishness?' So I guess I'm gonna go more for definition #2. 'Folly' can also be doing something that has no practical purpose -- like living and trying to live as cool a life as you can manage -- but doing it while knowing full well that most people on earth are going to consider your efforts nothing but 'ornamental,' and thus the actions themselves 'foolishness.' :-) There are whole spiritual traditions on this planet who consider 'folly' to be synonymous with the word chosen in this definition as its antonym: 'wisdom.' :-) The Beatles - The Fool On The Hill | | | | | | | | | | | The Beatles - The Fool On The Hill | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com The ability to laugh at oneself typically increases with age and experience. I thought you would appreciate this. Absurdity is everywhere in the human condition, but there are those that can't objectify (at least to some degree) or pick up on the often subtle nuances of a situation to see it as a reflection of themselves or said human condition. I have found that those that personalize everything are particularly unable to do this. Of course, I have made the mistake also of living the approach of absurdity to such a degree that I clean forgot how to take my life seriously and also how to ground the absurd within in a way that shows respect for life and others. Relating this to Carlos Castaneda again, he spoke (and occasionally eloquently) of this dance along the razor's edge of absurd and serious as controlled folly. I always loved that term, and that concept. It kinda describes my life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Great article and great concept, Emily. Thanks for posting both. I don't talk about my time with the Rama guy much here because some are averse to it and freak out, but one of the things I'm most grateful to that teacher and that whole trip for is that my time there taught me to laugh at myself a lot more. Relating it to this study, the more self-importance (and thus self-deception) I managed to drop, the more in life I found funny, and the more I laughed. In a way it was very Castanedan and his suggestion that one of the reasons his characters don Juan and don Gennero were such funny guys was that they had gotten past their self-importance. From: emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 6:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception I've been thinking about humor - how some things strike some as so funny and others as not at all. I had to be taught by others in early adulthood to appreciate the absurd, for example, as that element of humor was lacking in my upbringing. This article is from 2012 so may have crossed here already. It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers | | | | | | It’s No Joke to Self-Deceivers People who fail
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
In my experience (given all possible observations, a rather microscopic slice of life) those that have loosened up or (possibly) lost a straight jacket sense of limited and static identity, tend to laugh a lot. Not (necessarily) in dumb and silly reactive ways, but more towards deeper, joyful, playful laughter. Play is perhaps a key theme. MMY, a flawed but perhaps relevant example) was like that, at times, in smaller settings, particularly in the pre 1975 days. And those with a deep sense of (in their view) the absurdity of life, even if its exposition seems dry, pedantic and even morose (like the Woody Allen interview within the Atheist video I posted yesterday, still can have a robust sense of humor. Both are in a sense, result from finding less or little to hang onto, less ability or need to impose grand meanings and narratives on life and its events, and more a moment to moment sense of adventure to find or simply see momentary wonder, joy or irony in things as they occur. A more generalized (possibly obtuse and pompous) framework is that a static, limited sense of self are deep roots of self-deception. Those who are not as tightly tied to an identity based on common ID markers such as level of education (and schools attended) career, age, gender, income, status, possessions, steady progress in life (not the ups and downs of, you know, losers), what others think of them, appearance and physical flaws, a conviction regarding the correctness of their thoughts and judgments, tastes, appear to have exponentially greater degrees of freedom to play. And in that play, express and enjoy wide ranging humor reflecting the contradictions, absurdities, disconnects, and juxtaposition of unexpected elements. Typically, it is not, at at least less so, humor aimed at diminishing others. And having less to lose when things inevitably change, perhaps enables them more of a sense of adventure in life, rather than keeping it safe and secure. In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not (Yogi Berra) In theory, I love science and its methods, despite severe limits. Particularly neuroscience, broadly defined. However, in practice, I am quite leery of psychological studies using interviews with canned questions, particularly if Yes/No are the alternatives. Even 10 point scales can be silly responses to complex questions. More than once it felt good when I heard on the news that someone had been killed” “I could never enjoy being cruel.” I would hope anyone with a sense of humor as well as some sense of the diversity and richness of life to reject such questions, and scribble in: It depends! On definitions, on context and degree (not that morality is necessarily conditional). And if you want to talk about it great, but I am not going to give you a misleading, yet easily quantifiable and scored because it makes your study easier to do and let you draw unwarranted conclusions to an unsuspecting public. And I suspect, some that would laugh at the question “I could never enjoy being cruel.” as absurd, and check and emphatic NO!, may not be the deepest, compassionate, nuanced thinkers on the block. Ethical questions regarding an off the cuff call to nuke the towel heads or in another arena, for example, large-scale factory farming, may never occur to them. They may have a wide-spectrum, practiced and widely acknowledged sense of humor (particularly after an extended duration of beer pong) but does this (caricature) typically reflect much self-awareness / absence of denial? What I have seen over the years (yes, limited observations) is that some who possess great outer verve and bravado and air-tight self confidence in expressing loud, black and white positions, may actually be denying quite a bit -- that may finally begin to surface later in life.
[FairfieldLife] Spy Patches
No, not eyepatches. Those are worn by pirates. Spypatches are worn by the people who send up American spy satellites into space. They're really creepy: The Creepy, Kitschy and Geeky Patches of US Spy Satellite Launches | | | | | | | | | | | The Creepy, Kitschy and Geeky Patches of US Spy Satellit...There may be method to the madness behind the outlandish designs of the National Reconnaissance Office mission patches | | | | View on www.smithsonianma... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
From: seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ...In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not (Yogi Berra) In theory, I love science and its methods, despite severe limits. Particularly neuroscience, broadly defined. However, in practice, I am quite leery of psychological studies using interviews with canned questions, particularly if Yes/No are the alternatives. Even 10 point scales can be silly responses to complex questions. More than once it felt good when I heard on the news that someone had been killed” “I could never enjoy being cruel.” Just as a question, why can't someone who has No Problem answering these questions with a simple Yes or No interpret the inability to do so as self-deception. For example, given that interpretation, all that follows could easily fit into that category: I would hope anyone with a sense of humor as well as some sense of the diversity and richness of life to reject such questions, and scribble in: It depends! On definitions, on context and degree (not that morality is necessarily conditional). And if you want to talk about it great, but I am not going to give you a misleading, yet easily quantifiable and scored because it makes your study easier to do and let you draw unwarranted conclusions to an unsuspecting public. And I suspect, some that would laugh at the question “I could never enjoy being cruel.” as absurd, and check and emphatic NO!, may not be the deepest, compassionate, nuanced thinkers on the block. Ethical questions regarding an off the cuff call to nuke the towel heads or in another arena, for example, large-scale factory farming, may never occur to them. They may have a wide-spectrum, practiced and widely acknowledged sense of humor (particularly after an extended duration of beer pong) but does this (caricature) typically reflect much self-awareness / absence of denial? What I have seen over the years (yes, limited observations) is that some who possess great outer verve and bravado and air-tight self confidence in expressing loud, black and white positions, may actually be denying quite a bit -- that may finally begin to surface later in life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Spy Patches
I should send this to a friend who lives here and in the Air Force recovered spy satellites in the 1960s. That was classified info until a couple years ago so he can talk about it now. Not surprised at the patches though given the recruits they get these days and even thinking about the young folks are on Mars lander team that probably also have silly things at their headquarters. On 12/14/2014 12:16 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */No, not eyepatches. Those are worn by pirates. Spypatches are worn by the people who send up American spy satellites into space. They're really creepy:/* The Creepy, Kitschy and Geeky Patches of US Spy Satellite Launches http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/creepy-kitschy-and-geeky-patches-us-spy-satellites-180953562/?no-ist image http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/creepy-kitschy-and-geeky-patches-us-spy-satellites-180953562/?no-ist The Creepy, Kitschy and Geeky Patches of US Spy Satellit... http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/creepy-kitschy-and-geeky-patches-us-spy-satellites-180953562/?no-ist There may be method to the madness behind the outlandish designs of the National Reconnaissance Office mission patches View on www.smithsonianma... http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/creepy-kitschy-and-geeky-patches-us-spy-satellites-180953562/?no-ist Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Spy Patches
OK, here's the thing I wonder about re this article. The only reason I can
think of for coming up with patches like this is being able to sew them to
some garment and wear them. That's just what one does with patches like this.
So where is the bar that these guys hang in where wearing a jacket covered with
these patches gives you groupie status?
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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I should send this to a friend who lives here and in the Air Force
recovered spy satellites in the 1960s. That was classified info until a couple
years ago so he can talk about it now. Not surprised at the patches though
given the recruits they get these days and even thinking about the young folks
are on Mars lander team that probably also have silly things at their
headquarters.
On 12/14/2014 12:16 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
No, not eyepatches. Those are worn by pirates. Spypatches are worn by the
people who send up American spy satellites into space. They're really creepy:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Spy Patches
Think about the names with drawings WWII bomber crews put on their planes. Nothing new. The patches are probably a bit of an in joke and probably not worn to bars (they probably don't even wear their uniforms there either). On 12/14/2014 01:24 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */OK, here's the thing I wonder about re this article. The only reason I can think of for coming up with patches like this is being able to sew them to some garment and wear them. That's just what one does with patches like this. So where is the bar that these guys hang in where wearing a jacket covered with these patches gives you groupie status?/* *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, December 14, 2014 10:18 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Spy Patches I should send this to a friend who lives here and in the Air Force recovered spy satellites in the 1960s. That was classified info until a couple years ago so he can talk about it now. Not surprised at the patches though given the recruits they get these days and even thinking about the young folks are on Mars lander team that probably also have silly things at their headquarters. On 12/14/2014 12:16 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com mailto:turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */No, not eyepatches. Those are worn by pirates. Spypatches are worn by the people who send up American spy satellites into space. They're really creepy:/* alt The Creepy, Kitschy and Geeky Patches of US Spy Satellite Launches http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/creepy-kitschy-and-geeky-patches-us-spy-satellites-180953562/?no-ist image http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/creepy-kitschy-and-geeky-patches-us-spy-satellites-180953562/?no-ist The Creepy, Kitschy and Geeky Patches of US Spy Satellit... http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/creepy-kitschy-and-geeky-patches-us-spy-satellites-180953562/?no-ist There may be method to the madness behind the outlandish designs of the National Reconnaissance Office mission patches View on www.smithsonianma... http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/creepy-kitschy-and-geeky-patches-us-spy-satellites-180953562/?no-ist Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Stoners love Russell Brand and nachos
Not necessarily together but who knows. :-D http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/confirmed-stoners-eat-nachos-like-russell-brand-and-say-theyre-alternative/ I like this because the best way to crush the establishment is to be disruptive and disobedient as possible. The kids are all right.
[FairfieldLife] Russel Brand loves TM
Russell Brand on meditation 'CHANGING CONSCIOUSNESS' - TMhome http://tmhome.com/experiences/russell-brand-it-changes-consciousness/ http://tmhome.com/experiences/russell-brand-it-changes-consciousness/ Russell Brand on meditation 'CHANGING CONSCIOU... http://tmhome.com/experiences/russell-brand-it-changes-consciousness/ How did Russell Brand get real about his addictions and start purifying his consciousness? He confesses: meditation and yoga did the trick, and... View on tmhome.com http://tmhome.com/experiences/russell-brand-it-changes-consciousness/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Marijuana antidote
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Marijuana antidote
Check out the ingredients! With all those, there must be infinitesimal amounts of each in each pill. According to the site, many people report that Balance the Herb extends, greatly enhances and improves their cannabis high. Yep, it is all about balancing the high as I recall.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : this TCM Doctor has created a general antidote for people who use marijuana Home Page http://www.balance-marijuana.com/ http://www.balance-marijuana.com/ Home Page http://www.balance-marijuana.com/ Check out http://balance-marijuana.com! Balance the Herb is an all-natural vegetarian herbal food supplement that balances the energe... View on www.balance-marijuana... http://www.balance-marijuana.com/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
The Toilet Paper Guy - todays news article. It's all about reclamation and reuse (or complete use). A guy who made city’s unused toilet paper a precious gift http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025226663_westneat14xml.html http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025226663_westneat14xml.html A guy who made city’s unused toilet paper a prec... http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025226663_westneat14xml.html It was a great run that brought relief to thousands of Seattle’s poor. But it’s the end of the roll for the Toilet Paper Guy, the nickname given to retiree Leon Del... View on seattletimes.com http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025226663_westneat14xml.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : At the end of the day, I think that we can safely say that anyone -- in any country -- who prefers a bunch of intellectual gobbledygook to having a comfortable place to take a crap in is full of shit and likely to stay that way. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
Would it be folly to take a wrecking ball to the Tower of Invincibility? Nice try at making the comparison of your life with Definition #2. :) Wisdom may arise out of folly... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : BTW, compare to definition #2 below. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception From: emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception O.K. Get ready...do you mean controlled foolishness? I've gotta take my dog for a walk. Trying to take my JRT on a walk through a neighborhood replete with squirrels, rabbits, raccoons, and even deer at times is foolishness on my part, so I think we'll head to the lake. She's not much of a swimmer. :) Good question. Without looking it up, I find that I do not consider 'folly' a synonym for 'foolishness.' Looking it up, I find that the first definition I find on Google disagrees with me, and does: fol·ly noun noun: folly; plural noun: Follies 1. lack of good sense; foolishness. an act of sheer folly a foolish act, idea, or practice. plural noun: follies the follies of youth synonyms: foolishness https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1q=define+foolishnesssa=Xei=FOSNVJWDIY3VPLTdgJADved=0CCAQ_SowAA, foolhardiness, stupidity https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1q=define+stupiditysa=Xei=FOSNVJWDIY3VPLTdgJADved=0CCEQ_SowAA, idiocy https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1q=define+idiocysa=Xei=FOSNVJWDIY3VPLTdgJADved=0CCIQ_SowAA, lunacy https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1q=define+lunacysa=Xei=FOSNVJWDIY3VPLTdgJADved=0CCMQ_SowAA, madness https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1q=define+madnesssa=Xei=FOSNVJWDIY3VPLTdgJADved=0CCQQ_SowAA, rashness, recklessness, imprudence, injudiciousness, irresponsibility, thoughtlessness, indiscretion https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1q=define+indiscretionsa=Xei=FOSNVJWDIY3VPLTdgJADved=0CCUQ_SowAA; informalcraziness the folly of youth antonyms: wisdom https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1q=define+wisdomsa=Xei=FOSNVJWDIY3VPLTdgJADved=0CCcQ_SowAA 2. a costly ornamental building with no practical purpose, especially a tower or mock-Gothic ruin built in a large garden or park. From the *outside*, many things can be considered 'folly.' IMO, *most* of the historically-recorded actions of *most* spiritual teachers this planet has ever known can be put in that category. But were these actions 'foolishness?' So I guess I'm gonna go more for definition #2. 'Folly' can also be doing something that has no practical purpose -- like living and trying to live as cool a life as you can manage -- but doing it while knowing full well that most people on earth are going to consider your efforts nothing but 'ornamental,' and thus the actions themselves 'foolishness.' :-) There are whole spiritual traditions on this planet who consider 'folly' to be synonymous with the word chosen in this definition as its antonym: 'wisdom.' :-) The Beatles - The Fool On The Hill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDtK7xUIDxk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDtK7xUIDxk The Beatles - The Fool On The Hill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDtK7xUIDxk View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDtK7xUIDxk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com The ability to laugh at oneself typically increases with age and experience. I thought you would appreciate this. Absurdity is everywhere in the human condition, but there are those that can't objectify (at least to some degree) or pick up on the often subtle nuances of a situation to see it as a reflection of themselves or said human condition. I have found that those that personalize everything are particularly unable to do this. Of course, I have made the mistake also of living the approach of absurdity to such a degree that I clean forgot how to take my life seriously and also how to ground the absurd within in a way that shows respect for life and others. Relating this to Carlos Castaneda again, he spoke (and occasionally eloquently) of this dance along the razor's edge of absurd and serious as controlled folly. I always loved that term, and that concept. It kinda describes my life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Great article and great concept, Emily. Thanks for posting both. I don't talk about my time with the Rama guy much here because some are averse to it and freak out, but one of the things
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
It's amazing how much it costs to wipe your ass anymore. I found that the TP CVS sells made from recycled paper to be the cheapest. Because I can't afford to update my sewer line I use single ply but most supermarkets no longer sell anything but two ply. The CVS stuff is single ply usually only $6 for 12 rolls or less when on sale. If they get one of the other brands on sale then the price will go up to $10. The rolls are thick and have about twice as many sheets as the Value Time single ply I used to buy for $3 for twelve rolls. But Value Time has all but disappeared from stores. And guess who sells the most TP in the US? The Koch brothers, that's who! On 12/14/2014 03:25 PM, emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The Toilet Paper Guy - todays news article. It's all about reclamation and reuse (or complete use). A guy who made city’s unused toilet paper a precious gift http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025226663_westneat14xml.html image http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025226663_westneat14xml.html A guy who made city’s unused toilet paper a prec... http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025226663_westneat14xml.html It was a great run that brought relief to thousands of Seattle’s poor. But it’s the end of the roll for the Toilet Paper Guy, the nickname given to retiree Leon Del... View on seattletimes.com http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025226663_westneat14xml.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */At the end of the day, I think that we can safely say that anyone -- in any country -- who prefers a bunch of intellectual gobbledygook to having a comfortable place to take a crap in is full of shit and likely to stay that way. :-)/* */ /* *//*
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
For anyone thinking of visiting the UK be aware we have some of the most disgusting public toilets this side of a Third World hell-hole during a dysentery outbreak. I'm serious. Make sure you buy a Radar Key (£2:45 on Amazon) - which gets you access to toilets for the disabled. They're the only ones maintained to a decent standard apart from expensive facilities at tourist traps. Otherwise you'll have to stock up on disposable toilet seat covers, pocket tissue sachets, and you'll have to learn the art of sitting on the loo with one leg outstretched to keep the cubicle door shut as the lock is invariably broken. The best place for numerous, free and clean public toilets is Tokyo. That could be a better holiday destination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Assessing civilization by it its number of toilets is a wonderful metric and embodies all that makes the United States (and Netherlands) the greatest countries in the world. Toilets are a grand testament to our technological savvy in designing billion dollar systems to rid ourselves of icky stuff. I mean its just organic crap like nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium and all that boring like chemistry stuff Good riddance. Far more sophisticated to use civilized chemical fertilizers. We get to to use all those magnificent big, high tech mining machines to transform the earth from mere dirt to huge craters. Ah the glories western civilization. We rock. And look at countries like india -- they produce only 10% as much CO2 per capital of the US (15% as much as the Dutch). What losers. Would you believe that I actually read Small is Beautiful back the mid 70's. I have to laugh -- back in college I was so deluded. What a hoot. A totally looney-bin hippie manifesto. Schumaker probably hated toilets. and would have tooted graywater and growing fresh vegetables. As if !. I am glad men of the world like us see through such garbage. Came across a review the other day. I think the copious amounts of acid his mother must of taken never really left the writers brain. Small is Beautiful was a radical challenge to the 20th century's intoxication with what Schumacher described as gigantism. For several decades, mass production methods were producing more cheap goods than ever before; the mass media and mass culture opened up new opportunities to a wider audience than ever. It was creating bigger markets and bigger political entities. .. he believed such scale led to a dehumanisation of people and the economic systems that ordered their lives. One of the recurrent themes through the book is how modern organisations stripped the satisfaction out of work, making the worker no more than an anonymous cog in a huge machine. Craft skill was no longer important, nor was the quality of human relationship: human beings were expected to act like adjuncts to the machines of the production line. The economic system was similarly dehumanising, making decisions on the basis of profitability rather than human need... What Schumacher wanted was a people-centred economics because that would, in his view, enable environmental and human sustainability. It was a radical challenge which, like many of the ideas of the late 60s and early 70s (feminism is another example), were gradually adopted and distorted by the ongoing voracious expansion of consumer capitalism. ... a small is beautiful model of economic enterprise that put relationship, craft and environment at the heart of their way of working .. were later snaffled up by corporate giants. Small became cool but only as part of a branding strategy which masked the ongoing concentration of political and economic power. Gigantism has triumphed. The power of the global multinational and the financial institutions was beginning to become apparent in the early 70s, but it has grown exponentially since, unaccountable to national governments. Schumacher warned that a city's population should not rise above 500,000, but we are now living in an era of the megapolis and several cities around the world are heading towards 20m. Schumacher would be weeping over his herbal tea at the fate of his big idea. ... We yearn for economic systems within our control, within our comprehension and that once again provide space for human interaction – and yet we are constantly overwhelmed by finding ourselves trapped into vast global economic systems that are corrupting and corrupt. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
Most toilet paper here in UK is now soft tissue but you can still buy cheap institution-spec rolls made out of a product that is like the tracing paper you used at school. It's like sandpapering your ass (to use your cute word). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : It's amazing how much it costs to wipe your ass anymore. I found that the TP CVS sells made from recycled paper to be the cheapest. Because I can't afford to update my sewer line I use single ply but most supermarkets no longer sell anything but two ply. The CVS stuff is single ply usually only $6 for 12 rolls or less when on sale. If they get one of the other brands on sale then the price will go up to $10. The rolls are thick and have about twice as many sheets as the Value Time single ply I used to buy for $3 for twelve rolls. But Value Time has all but disappeared from stores. And guess who sells the most TP in the US? The Koch brothers, that's who! On 12/14/2014 03:25 PM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The Toilet Paper Guy - todays news article. It's all about reclamation and reuse (or complete use). A guy who made city’s unused toilet paper a precious gift A guy who made city’s unused toilet paper a prec... It was a great run that brought relief to thousands of Seattle’s poor. But it’s the end of the roll for the Toilet Paper Guy, the nickname given to retiree Leon Del... View on seattletimes.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : At the end of the day, I think that we can safely say that anyone -- in any country -- who prefers a bunch of intellectual gobbledygook to having a comfortable place to take a crap in is full of shit and likely to stay that way. :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
San Francisco wanted to put in toilets downtown on the streets. A French company makes self cleaning units which were ideal. They could only accommodate one person at a time and so drug dealers couldn't use them which was a concern. Then the Disabilities People yelled and they had to get ones that were large enough for them. Which meant that drug dealers could use them. The French company doesn't make them like that and I think the ones they got aren't self cleaning. I think it would have been a better idea to pass a law requiring establishments to allow the disabled to use their facilities and leave the single user systems on the street. Of course that would have caused yet another kerfuffle. On 12/14/2014 03:38 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: For anyone thinking of visiting the UK be aware we have some of the most disgusting public toilets this side of a Third World hell-hole during a dysentery outbreak. I'm serious. Make sure you buy a Radar Key (£2:45 on Amazon) - which gets you access to toilets for the disabled. They're the only ones maintained to a decent standard apart from expensive facilities at tourist traps. Otherwise you'll have to stock up on disposable toilet seat covers, pocket tissue sachets, and you'll have to learn the art of sitting on the loo with one leg outstretched to keep the cubicle door shut as the lock is invariably broken. The best place for numerous, free and clean public toilets is Tokyo. That could be a better holiday destination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Assessing civilization by it its number of toilets is a wonderful metric and embodies all that makes the United States (and Netherlands) the greatest countries in the world. Toilets are a grand testament to our technological savvy in designing billion dollar systems to rid ourselves of icky stuff. I mean its just organic crap like nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium and all that boring like chemistry stuff Good riddance. Far more sophisticated to use civilized chemical fertilizers. We get to to use all those magnificent big, high tech mining machines to transform the earth from mere dirt to huge craters. Ah the glories western civilization. We rock. And look at countries like india -- they produce only 10% as much CO2 per capital of the US (15% as much as the Dutch). What losers. Would you believe that I actually read Small is Beautiful back the mid 70's. I have to laugh -- back in college I was so deluded. What a hoot. A totally looney-bin hippie manifesto. Schumaker probably hated toilets. and would have tooted graywater and growing fresh vegetables. As if !. I am glad men of the world like us see through such garbage. Came across a review the other day. I think the copious amounts of acid his mother must of taken never really left the writers brain. Small is Beautiful was a radical challenge to the 20th century's intoxication with what Schumacher described as gigantism. For several decades, mass production methods were producing more cheap goods than ever before; the mass media and mass culture opened up new opportunities to a wider audience than ever. It was creating bigger markets and bigger political entities. .. he believed such scale led to a dehumanisation of people and the economic systems that ordered their lives. One of the recurrent themes through the book is how modern organisations stripped the satisfaction out of work, making the worker no more than an anonymous cog in a huge machine. Craft skill was no longer important, nor was the quality of human relationship: human beings were expected to act like adjuncts to the machines of the production line. The economic system was similarly dehumanising, making decisions on the basis of profitability rather than human need... What Schumacher wanted was a people-centred economics because that would, in his view, enable environmental and human sustainability. It was a radical challenge which, like many of the ideas of the late 60s and early 70s (feminism is another example), were gradually adopted and distorted by the ongoing voracious expansion of consumer capitalism. ... a small is beautiful model of economic enterprise that put relationship, craft and environment at the heart of their way of working .. were later snaffled up by corporate giants. Small became cool but only as part of a branding strategy which masked the ongoing concentration of political and economic power. Gigantism has triumphed. The power of the global multinational and the financial institutions was beginning to become apparent in the early 70s, but it has grown exponentially since, unaccountable to national governments. Schumacher warned that a city's population should not rise above 500,000, but we are now living in an era of the megapolis and several cities around the world are heading towards 20m. Schumacher would be weeping
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
It's probably in the best interests of the Koch brothers for people not to solve their hemorrhoid problems (which I don't have). Then they can sell 8 roll packages of Chiffon at $10. On 12/14/2014 03:49 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Most toilet paper here in UK is now soft tissue but you can still buy cheap institution-spec rolls made out of a product that is like the tracing paper you used at school. It's like sandpapering your ass (to use your cute word). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : It's amazing how much it costs to wipe your ass anymore. I found that the TP CVS sells made from recycled paper to be the cheapest. Because I can't afford to update my sewer line I use single ply but most supermarkets no longer sell anything but two ply. The CVS stuff is single ply usually only $6 for 12 rolls or less when on sale. If they get one of the other brands on sale then the price will go up to $10. The rolls are thick and have about twice as many sheets as the Value Time single ply I used to buy for $3 for twelve rolls. But Value Time has all but disappeared from stores. And guess who sells the most TP in the US? The Koch brothers, that's who! On 12/14/2014 03:25 PM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The Toilet Paper Guy - todays news article. It's all about reclamation and reuse (or complete use). A guy who made city’s unused toilet paper a precious gift http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025226663_westneat14xml.html image http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025226663_westneat14xml.html A guy who made city’s unused toilet paper a prec... http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025226663_westneat14xml.html It was a great run that brought relief to thousands of Seattle’s poor. But it’s the end of the roll for the Toilet Paper Guy, the nickname given to retiree Leon Del... View on seattletimes.com http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025226663_westneat14xml.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : */At the end of the day, I think that we can safely say that anyone -- in any country -- who prefers a bunch of intellectual gobbledygook to having a comfortable place to take a crap in is full of shit and likely to stay that way. :-)/* */ /* *//*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
These open-view urinals for men have just started appearing in London. I can't see why they don't just instruct the gentlemen to go and piss against a nearby wall. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : San Francisco wanted to put in toilets downtown on the streets. A French company makes self cleaning units which were ideal. They could only accommodate one person at a time and so drug dealers couldn't use them which was a concern. Then the Disabilities People yelled and they had to get ones that were large enough for them. Which meant that drug dealers could use them. The French company doesn't make them like that and I think the ones they got aren't self cleaning. I think it would have been a better idea to pass a law requiring establishments to allow the disabled to use their facilities and leave the single user systems on the street. Of course that would have caused yet another kerfuffle. On 12/14/2014 03:38 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: For anyone thinking of visiting the UK be aware we have some of the most disgusting public toilets this side of a Third World hell-hole during a dysentery outbreak. I'm serious. Make sure you buy a Radar Key (£2:45 on Amazon) - which gets you access to toilets for the disabled. They're the only ones maintained to a decent standard apart from expensive facilities at tourist traps. Otherwise you'll have to stock up on disposable toilet seat covers, pocket tissue sachets, and you'll have to learn the art of sitting on the loo with one leg outstretched to keep the cubicle door shut as the lock is invariably broken. The best place for numerous, free and clean public toilets is Tokyo. That could be a better holiday destination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... mailto:seerdope@... wrote : Assessing civilization by it its number of toilets is a wonderful metric and embodies all that makes the United States (and Netherlands) the greatest countries in the world. Toilets are a grand testament to our technological savvy in designing billion dollar systems to rid ourselves of icky stuff. I mean its just organic crap like nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium and all that boring like chemistry stuff Good riddance. Far more sophisticated to use civilized chemical fertilizers. We get to to use all those magnificent big, high tech mining machines to transform the earth from mere dirt to huge craters. Ah the glories western civilization. We rock. And look at countries like india -- they produce only 10% as much CO2 per capital of the US (15% as much as the Dutch). What losers. Would you believe that I actually read Small is Beautiful back the mid 70's. I have to laugh -- back in college I was so deluded. What a hoot. A totally looney-bin hippie manifesto. Schumaker probably hated toilets. and would have tooted graywater and growing fresh vegetables. As if !. I am glad men of the world like us see through such garbage. Came across a review the other day. I think the copious amounts of acid his mother must of taken never really left the writers brain. Small is Beautiful was a radical challenge to the 20th century's intoxication with what Schumacher described as gigantism. For several decades, mass production methods were producing more cheap goods than ever before; the mass media and mass culture opened up new opportunities to a wider audience than ever. It was creating bigger markets and bigger political entities. .. he believed such scale led to a dehumanisation of people and the economic systems that ordered their lives. One of the recurrent themes through the book is how modern organisations stripped the satisfaction out of work, making the worker no more than an anonymous cog in a huge machine. Craft skill was no longer important, nor was the quality of human relationship: human beings were expected to act like adjuncts to the machines of the production line. The economic system was similarly dehumanising, making decisions on the basis of profitability rather than human need... What Schumacher wanted was a people-centred economics because that would, in his view, enable environmental and human sustainability. It was a radical challenge which, like many of the ideas of the late 60s and early 70s (feminism is another example), were gradually adopted and distorted by the ongoing voracious expansion of consumer capitalism. ... a small is beautiful model of economic enterprise that put relationship, craft and environment at the heart of their way of working .. were later snaffled up by corporate giants. Small became cool but only as part of a branding strategy which masked the ongoing concentration of political and economic power. Gigantism has triumphed. The power of the global multinational and the financial institutions was beginning to become apparent in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
Comments below. I tried to put reply in different color, but can't get formatting to take so used initials: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : SEER: In my experience (given all possible observations, a rather microscopic slice of life) those that have loosened up or (possibly) lost a straight jacket sense of limited and static identity, tend to laugh a lot. Not (necessarily) in dumb and silly reactive ways, but more towards deeper, joyful, playful laughter. Play is perhaps a key theme. MMY, a flawed but perhaps relevant example) was like that, at times, in smaller settings, particularly in the pre 1975 days. EM: I like this - if there is one thing that terrifies me today - it is an identity that represents and reflects a self-fulfilling prophecy, a closed system, a done deal in terms of personal growth, someone who is set in their ways and who never questions themselves. Yes, with one goal towards what you mention. I love and laugh at what I call the human condition quite a bit - helps keep me balanced and in touch with the concepts of compassion and forgiveness. DOPE: And those with a deep sense of (in their view) the absurdity of life, even if its exposition seems dry, pedantic and even morose (like the Woody Allen interview within the Atheist video I posted yesterday, still can have a robust sense of humor.) Both are in a sense, result from finding less or little to hang onto, less ability or need to impose grand meanings and narratives on life and its events, and more a moment to moment sense of adventure to find or simply see momentary wonder, joy or irony in things as they occur. EM: Great humor like great art often comes out of pain and suffering. RIP Robin Williams. Well, I like narratives in that I like stories, but in personal terms, it can get so grandiose and egotistical at times - relaying the *narrative* of one's life as a way of being. Gets in the way of living it. The mind by itself - I think it is overrated, personally. Inspiration comes from the heart and spirit. They gotta all be connected or it does get insanely and obscenely dull and repetitive. The mind gets off on itself and thinks it knows things - important things, which makes it happy and then it releases happy chemicals - I suspect it may all be a large form of mental masturbation (forgive my term). This ability to be present for life and for others is what I want to practice and I am making the shift in the last third of my life (despite what my mind thinks) and I hope to do it with the sense of adventure and momentary wonder you mention, and that takes being relaxed. Being on vacation is when I relax, in solitude also. With most others, in daily life - not so much. SEER: A more generalized (possibly obtuse and pompous) framework is that a static, limited sense of self are deep roots of self-deception. Those who are not as tightly tied to an identity based on common ID markers such as level of education (and schools attended) career, age, gender, income, status, possessions, steady progress in life (not the ups and downs of, you know, losers), what others think of them, appearance and physical flaws, a conviction regarding the correctness of their thoughts and judgments, tastes, appear to have exponentially greater degrees of freedom to play. And in that play, express and enjoy wide ranging humor reflecting the contradictions, absurdities, disconnects, and juxtaposition of unexpected elements. Typically, it is not, at at least less so, humor aimed at diminishing others. EM: At one time, my identity and sense of self-worth was completely tied to my career and performance in the career. What a disaster that was. Am learning a new way. I do love to play - the definition of play and also the word fun have radically expanded in scope in the last couple of years. Re: humor aimed at diminishing others - ridicule is never truly good humor - or stated in good humor. :) DOPE: And having less to lose when things inevitably change, perhaps enables them more of a sense of adventure in life, rather than keeping it safe and secure. EM: Undoubtedly. SEER: In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not (Yogi Berra) In theory, I love science and its methods, despite severe limits. Particularly neuroscience, broadly defined. However, in practice, I am quite leery of psychological studies using interviews with canned questions, particularly if Yes/No are the alternatives. Even 10 point scales can be silly responses to complex questions. More than once it felt good when I heard on the news that someone had been killed” “I could never enjoy being cruel.” I would hope anyone with a sense of humor as well as some sense of the diversity and richness of life to reject such questions, and scribble in: It depends! On definitions, on context and
[FairfieldLife] 49ers Lose to the Seahawks
This is most likely the end for Jim Harbaugh's coaching job here in SF However, he is rumored to be the next coach for the Oakland Raiders or a university in Michigan. It's ironic how a successful coach can lose a job for not winning the Super Bowl. But the owner of the team is obviously making a statement that he wants nothing else other than a Super Bowl ring from his team and coach. So, life goes on.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
Re: With most others, in daily life - not so much. Probably because all that deceptive conditioning sets in subconsciously. Know thyself is a very large concept. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : Comments below. I tried to put reply in different color, but can't get formatting to take so used initials: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : SEER: In my experience (given all possible observations, a rather microscopic slice of life) those that have loosened up or (possibly) lost a straight jacket sense of limited and static identity, tend to laugh a lot. Not (necessarily) in dumb and silly reactive ways, but more towards deeper, joyful, playful laughter. Play is perhaps a key theme. MMY, a flawed but perhaps relevant example) was like that, at times, in smaller settings, particularly in the pre 1975 days. EM: I like this - if there is one thing that terrifies me today - it is an identity that represents and reflects a self-fulfilling prophecy, a closed system, a done deal in terms of personal growth, someone who is set in their ways and who never questions themselves. Yes, with one goal towards what you mention. I love and laugh at what I call the human condition quite a bit - helps keep me balanced and in touch with the concepts of compassion and forgiveness. DOPE: And those with a deep sense of (in their view) the absurdity of life, even if its exposition seems dry, pedantic and even morose (like the Woody Allen interview within the Atheist video I posted yesterday, still can have a robust sense of humor.) Both are in a sense, result from finding less or little to hang onto, less ability or need to impose grand meanings and narratives on life and its events, and more a moment to moment sense of adventure to find or simply see momentary wonder, joy or irony in things as they occur. EM: Great humor like great art often comes out of pain and suffering. RIP Robin Williams. Well, I like narratives in that I like stories, but in personal terms, it can get so grandiose and egotistical at times - relaying the *narrative* of one's life as a way of being. Gets in the way of living it. The mind by itself - I think it is overrated, personally. Inspiration comes from the heart and spirit. They gotta all be connected or it does get insanely and obscenely dull and repetitive. The mind gets off on itself and thinks it knows things - important things, which makes it happy and then it releases happy chemicals - I suspect it may all be a large form of mental masturbation (forgive my term). This ability to be present for life and for others is what I want to practice and I am making the shift in the last third of my life (despite what my mind thinks) and I hope to do it with the sense of adventure and momentary wonder you mention, and that takes being relaxed. Being on vacation is when I relax, in solitude also. With most others, in daily life - not so much. SEER: A more generalized (possibly obtuse and pompous) framework is that a static, limited sense of self are deep roots of self-deception. Those who are not as tightly tied to an identity based on common ID markers such as level of education (and schools attended) career, age, gender, income, status, possessions, steady progress in life (not the ups and downs of, you know, losers), what others think of them, appearance and physical flaws, a conviction regarding the correctness of their thoughts and judgments, tastes, appear to have exponentially greater degrees of freedom to play. And in that play, express and enjoy wide ranging humor reflecting the contradictions, absurdities, disconnects, and juxtaposition of unexpected elements. Typically, it is not, at at least less so, humor aimed at diminishing others. EM: At one time, my identity and sense of self-worth was completely tied to my career and performance in the career. What a disaster that was. Am learning a new way. I do love to play - the definition of play and also the word fun have radically expanded in scope in the last couple of years. Re: humor aimed at diminishing others - ridicule is never truly good humor - or stated in good humor. :) DOPE: And having less to lose when things inevitably change, perhaps enables them more of a sense of adventure in life, rather than keeping it safe and secure. EM: Undoubtedly. SEER: In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not (Yogi Berra) In theory, I love science and its methods, despite severe limits. Particularly neuroscience, broadly defined. However, in practice, I am quite leery of psychological studies using interviews with canned questions, particularly if Yes/No are the alternatives. Even 10 point scales can be silly responses to complex questions. More than once it felt good when I heard on the news that someone had been killed” “I
Re: [FairfieldLife] Marijuana antidote
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
Your disabilities people probably don't have any power in the UK like they do in the US. These would be called wheelchair inaccessible. A wall won't take care of the smell and these are obviously more sanitary too. On 12/14/2014 04:30 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: These open-view urinals for men have just started appearing in London. I can't see why they don't just instruct the gentlemen to go and piss against a nearby wall. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : San Francisco wanted to put in toilets downtown on the streets. A French company makes self cleaning units which were ideal. They could only accommodate one person at a time and so drug dealers couldn't use them which was a concern. Then the Disabilities People yelled and they had to get ones that were large enough for them. Which meant that drug dealers could use them. The French company doesn't make them like that and I think the ones they got aren't self cleaning. I think it would have been a better idea to pass a law requiring establishments to allow the disabled to use their facilities and leave the single user systems on the street. Of course that would have caused yet another kerfuffle. On 12/14/2014 03:38 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: For anyone thinking of visiting the UK be aware we have some of the most disgusting public toilets this side of a Third World hell-hole during a dysentery outbreak. I'm serious. Make sure you buy a Radar Key (£2:45 on Amazon) - which gets you access to toilets for the disabled. They're the only ones maintained to a decent standard apart from expensive facilities at tourist traps. Otherwise you'll have to stock up on disposable toilet seat covers, pocket tissue sachets, and you'll have to learn the art of sitting on the loo with one leg outstretched to keep the cubicle door shut as the lock is invariably broken. The best place for numerous, free and clean public toilets is Tokyo. That could be a better holiday destination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... mailto:seerdope@... wrote : Assessing civilization by it its number of toilets is a wonderful metric and embodies all that makes the United States (and Netherlands) the greatest countries in the world. Toilets are a grand testament to our technological savvy in designing billion dollar systems to rid ourselves of icky stuff. I mean its just organic crap like nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium and all that boring like chemistry stuff Good riddance. Far more sophisticated to use civilized chemical fertilizers. We get to to use all those magnificent big, high tech mining machines to transform the earth from mere dirt to huge craters. Ah the glories western civilization. We rock. And look at countries like india -- they produce only 10% as much CO2 per capital of the US (15% as much as the Dutch). What losers. Would you believe that I actually read Small is Beautiful back the mid 70's. I have to laugh -- back in college I was so deluded. What a hoot. A totally looney-bin hippie manifesto. Schumaker probably hated toilets. and would have tooted graywater and growing fresh vegetables. As if !. I am glad men of the world like us see through such garbage. Came across a review the other day. I think the copious amounts of acid his mother must of taken never really left the writers brain. Small is Beautiful was a radical challenge to the 20th century's intoxication with what Schumacher described as gigantism. For several decades, mass production methods were producing more cheap goods than ever before; the mass media and mass culture opened up new opportunities to a wider audience than ever. It was creating bigger markets and bigger political entities. .. he believed such scale led to a dehumanisation of people and the economic systems that ordered their lives. One of the recurrent themes through the book is how modern organisations stripped the satisfaction out of work, making the worker no more than an anonymous cog in a huge machine. Craft skill was no longer important, nor was the quality of human relationship: human beings were expected to act like adjuncts to the machines of the production line. The economic system was similarly dehumanising, making decisions on the basis of profitability rather than human need... What Schumacher wanted was a people-centred economics because that would, in his view, enable environmental and human sustainability. It was a radical challenge which, like many of the ideas of the late 60s and early 70s (feminism is another example), were gradually adopted and distorted by the ongoing voracious expansion of consumer capitalism. ... a small is beautiful model of economic enterprise that put relationship, craft and environment at the heart of their way of working .. were later
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: seerdope@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ... In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not (Yogi Berra) In theory, I love science and its methods, despite severe limits. Particularly neuroscience, broadly defined. However, in practice, I am quite leery of psychological studies using interviews with canned questions, particularly if Yes/No are the alternatives. Even 10 point scales can be silly responses to complex questions. More than once it felt good when I heard on the news that someone had been killed” “I could never enjoy being cruel.” Just as a question, why can't someone who has No Problem answering these questions with a simple Yes or No interpret the inability to do so as self-deception. EM: Someone could - and by doing that they could be deceiving themselves, and also selling themselves and the rest of humanity short in some key way, perhaps? For example, given that interpretation, all that follows could easily fit into that category: I would hope anyone with a sense of humor as well as some sense of the diversity and richness of life to reject such questions, and scribble in: It depends! On definitions, on context and degree (not that morality is necessarily conditional). And if you want to talk about it great, but I am not going to give you a misleading, yet easily quantifiable and scored because it makes your study easier to do and let you draw unwarranted conclusions to an unsuspecting public. And I suspect, some that would laugh at the question “I could never enjoy being cruel.” as absurd, and check and emphatic NO!, may not be the deepest, compassionate, nuanced thinkers on the block. Ethical questions regarding an off the cuff call to nuke the towel heads or in another arena, for example, large-scale factory farming, may never occur to them. They may have a wide-spectrum, practiced and widely acknowledged sense of humor (particularly after an extended duration of beer pong) but does this (caricature) typically reflect much self-awareness / absence of denial? What I have seen over the years (yes, limited observations) is that some who possess great outer verve and bravado and air-tight self confidence in expressing loud, black and white positions, may actually be denying quite a bit -- that may finally begin to surface later in life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A homage to great writing...about cars
This brings back some pleasant memories. I had a used BMW 2002. It finally disintegrated at about the age of 30. Before that I had a new BMW 1600, a previous model in the late 60s. One summer I drove that one far into the Yukon in Canada. By the time I returned the shocks were totally shot from all the potholes in dirt roads. Before leaving I replaced the rimless tires with tube tires as it was less likely they would be damaged and lose air due to rocks and holes in the road. I lived in a tent for a while, but started sleeping in the car after rain and mosquitoes became too prevalent. In my old age here, I am not likely to repeat such a journey. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : There are people who write because that's they have to use to convey information, and then there are people who write because they love language. Similarly, there are people who drive cars because the cars get them from one place to another, and then there are people who drive cars because they love to drive. I have always been a combination of the latter qualities of the two pairs, so I grew up appreciating that long-lost era of Car Driver and Road Track magazines, in which great writers drove great cars and then wrote about them. I actually remember this classic review by David E. Davis. It's as good today as it was then. Read The Car Review That Every Autojourno Has Tried To Copy http://jalopnik.com/read-the-car-review-that-every-autojourno-since-has-tri-1666890468 http://jalopnik.com/read-the-car-review-that-every-autojourno-since-has-tri-1666890468 Read The Car Review That Every Autojourno Has Tried To... http://jalopnik.com/read-the-car-review-that-every-autojourno-since-has-tri-1666890468 As I sit here, fresh from the elegant embrace of BMW's new 2002, it occurs to me that something between nine and ten million Americans are going to make a terrible ... View on jalopnik.com http://jalopnik.com/read-the-car-review-that-every-autojourno-since-has-tri-1666890468 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
By the way, I see that your plans for a revolutionary uprising have been given a blow with a ban on the importing of Kalashnikovs from Russia! Pea shooters and spud guns to the rescue? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30404648 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30404648 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Your disabilities people probably don't have any power in the UK like they do in the US. These would be called wheelchair inaccessible. A wall won't take care of the smell and these are obviously more sanitary too. On 12/14/2014 04:30 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: These open-view urinals for men have just started appearing in London. I can't see why they don't just instruct the gentlemen to go and piss against a nearby wall. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : San Francisco wanted to put in toilets downtown on the streets. A French company makes self cleaning units which were ideal. They could only accommodate one person at a time and so drug dealers couldn't use them which was a concern. Then the Disabilities People yelled and they had to get ones that were large enough for them. Which meant that drug dealers could use them. The French company doesn't make them like that and I think the ones they got aren't self cleaning. I think it would have been a better idea to pass a law requiring establishments to allow the disabled to use their facilities and leave the single user systems on the street. Of course that would have caused yet another kerfuffle. On 12/14/2014 03:38 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: For anyone thinking of visiting the UK be aware we have some of the most disgusting public toilets this side of a Third World hell-hole during a dysentery outbreak. I'm serious. Make sure you buy a Radar Key (£2:45 on Amazon) - which gets you access to toilets for the disabled. They're the only ones maintained to a decent standard apart from expensive facilities at tourist traps. Otherwise you'll have to stock up on disposable toilet seat covers, pocket tissue sachets, and you'll have to learn the art of sitting on the loo with one leg outstretched to keep the cubicle door shut as the lock is invariably broken. The best place for numerous, free and clean public toilets is Tokyo. That could be a better holiday destination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... mailto:seerdope@... wrote : Assessing civilization by it its number of toilets is a wonderful metric and embodies all that makes the United States (and Netherlands) the greatest countries in the world. Toilets are a grand testament to our technological savvy in designing billion dollar systems to rid ourselves of icky stuff. I mean its just organic crap like nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium and all that boring like chemistry stuff Good riddance. Far more sophisticated to use civilized chemical fertilizers. We get to to use all those magnificent big, high tech mining machines to transform the earth from mere dirt to huge craters. Ah the glories western civilization. We rock. And look at countries like india -- they produce only 10% as much CO2 per capital of the US (15% as much as the Dutch). What losers. Would you believe that I actually read Small is Beautiful back the mid 70's. I have to laugh -- back in college I was so deluded. What a hoot. A totally looney-bin hippie manifesto. Schumaker probably hated toilets. and would have tooted graywater and growing fresh vegetables. As if !. I am glad men of the world like us see through such garbage. Came across a review the other day. I think the copious amounts of acid his mother must of taken never really left the writers brain. Small is Beautiful was a radical challenge to the 20th century's intoxication with what Schumacher described as gigantism. For several decades, mass production methods were producing more cheap goods than ever before; the mass media and mass culture opened up new opportunities to a wider audience than ever. It was creating bigger markets and bigger political entities. .. he believed such scale led to a dehumanisation of people and the economic systems that ordered their lives. One of the recurrent themes through the book is how modern organisations stripped the satisfaction out of work, making the worker no more than an anonymous cog in a huge machine. Craft skill was no longer important, nor was the quality of human relationship: human beings were expected to act like adjuncts to the machines of the production line. The economic system was similarly dehumanising, making decisions on the basis of profitability rather than human need... What Schumacher wanted was a people-centred economics because that would, in his
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
By the way, I see that your (Bhairitu's) plans for a revolutionary uprising have been given a blow with a ban on the importing of Kalashnikovs from Russia! Pea shooters and spud guns to the rescue? Russia's Kalashnikov struggles with Western ban http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30404648 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30404648 Russia's Kalashnikov struggles with Western ban http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30404648 Sarah Rainsford reports from Izhevsk where Western sanctions are hitting hard the arms company renowned for producing the AK-47 assault rifle. View on www.bbc.co.uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30404648 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Your disabilities people probably don't have any power in the UK like they do in the US. These would be called wheelchair inaccessible. A wall won't take care of the smell and these are obviously more sanitary too. On 12/14/2014 04:30 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: These open-view urinals for men have just started appearing in London. I can't see why they don't just instruct the gentlemen to go and piss against a nearby wall. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : San Francisco wanted to put in toilets downtown on the streets. A French company makes self cleaning units which were ideal. They could only accommodate one person at a time and so drug dealers couldn't use them which was a concern. Then the Disabilities People yelled and they had to get ones that were large enough for them. Which meant that drug dealers could use them. The French company doesn't make them like that and I think the ones they got aren't self cleaning. I think it would have been a better idea to pass a law requiring establishments to allow the disabled to use their facilities and leave the single user systems on the street. Of course that would have caused yet another kerfuffle. On 12/14/2014 03:38 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: For anyone thinking of visiting the UK be aware we have some of the most disgusting public toilets this side of a Third World hell-hole during a dysentery outbreak. I'm serious. Make sure you buy a Radar Key (£2:45 on Amazon) - which gets you access to toilets for the disabled. They're the only ones maintained to a decent standard apart from expensive facilities at tourist traps. Otherwise you'll have to stock up on disposable toilet seat covers, pocket tissue sachets, and you'll have to learn the art of sitting on the loo with one leg outstretched to keep the cubicle door shut as the lock is invariably broken. The best place for numerous, free and clean public toilets is Tokyo. That could be a better holiday destination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... mailto:seerdope@... wrote : Assessing civilization by it its number of toilets is a wonderful metric and embodies all that makes the United States (and Netherlands) the greatest countries in the world. Toilets are a grand testament to our technological savvy in designing billion dollar systems to rid ourselves of icky stuff. I mean its just organic crap like nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium and all that boring like chemistry stuff Good riddance. Far more sophisticated to use civilized chemical fertilizers. We get to to use all those magnificent big, high tech mining machines to transform the earth from mere dirt to huge craters. Ah the glories western civilization. We rock. And look at countries like india -- they produce only 10% as much CO2 per capital of the US (15% as much as the Dutch). What losers. Would you believe that I actually read Small is Beautiful back the mid 70's. I have to laugh -- back in college I was so deluded. What a hoot. A totally looney-bin hippie manifesto. Schumaker probably hated toilets. and would have tooted graywater and growing fresh vegetables. As if !. I am glad men of the world like us see through such garbage. Came across a review the other day. I think the copious amounts of acid his mother must of taken never really left the writers brain. Small is Beautiful was a radical challenge to the 20th century's intoxication with what Schumacher described as gigantism. For several decades, mass production methods were producing more cheap goods than ever before; the mass media and mass culture opened up new opportunities to a wider audience than ever. It was creating bigger markets and bigger political entities. .. he believed such scale led to a dehumanisation of people and the economic systems that ordered their lives. One of the recurrent themes through the book is how modern organisations stripped the satisfaction out of work, making the worker no more than
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
EM: I posted this article because I like the topic; personally, I think the test they used, based on what they mentioned of it, is a bunch of BS. There are no black and white answers. The article itself is lousy and dumbed down for public consumption. SD: I think the premise of the study is valid (from abstract) More generally since humor often involves seeing life or a person from a novel angle and self-deception tends to reduce such angles, self-deception will naturally tend to reduce ones sense of humor. My concern is the research design -- whereby self-deception is purportedly measured by a questionnaire.In contrast, if the study identified levels of deception via brain imaging or similar means, it could be quite insightful. That is, almost by definition people don't know when they are deceiving themselves. Tell tale clues might show up if previously identified and established deception centers in the brain lit up when a subject gave particular responses. Without that, we are left with i appears, some crude notion of an implicit norm about self-detection such as its normal for everyone to at times enjoy being cruel So if one answers no to I could never enjoy being cruel.” one would presumably score higher on the self-detection scale. To me that ass-backwards. People who are cruel to others have a distinctly more limited perspective than a more considerate compassionate person that sees from multiple angles, from other people's perspectives, how actions may hurt another. And taking pleasure in another's pain further indicates some inner pain/distortions twistedness that would generally indicate a limited perspective. Which is counter to the premise of the study that a wider perspective, the ability to see things from multiple angles correlates with a broader, deeper sense of humor. EM: Great humor like great art often comes out of pain and suffering. . SD: I can't speak for others or for great art or humor, but for me, creative times are generally amplified during times of balance and integration -- when a back drop of relaxed freedom and happiness exists and playfulness is more manifest. My point on the (not termed such in prior post) of the existential angst Woody Allen appeared to express in the posted video -- to me is different than pain and suffering. The angst has force/motivated him to find humor, if not some degree of joy and happiness, from the creative act and -- and appreciating what there is in life, even if fleeting and ever changing. EM: Well, I like narratives in that I like stories, but in personal terms, it can get so grandiose and egotistical at times - relaying the *narrative* of one's life as a way of being. Gets in the way of living it. The mind by itself - I think it is overrated, personally. Inspiration comes from the heart and spirit. They gotta all be connected or it does get insanely and obscenely dull and repetitive. The mind gets off on itself and thinks it knows things - important things, which makes it happy and then it releases happy chemicals - I suspect it may all be a large form of mental masturbation (forgive my term). SD: personal narratives and imposing judgements and values on everything one sees, for me does seem to get in the way -- and over time has loosened its hold. That is distinct from the intensity and degree of mental inquiry one pursues -- which I think is an individual thing -- some are more drawn in that direction -- and the process may be clarifying for them. However, for me as to when it becomes obsessive and marginally productive can be a issue and and can trip me up at times -- warranting some reflection as to when to move on.. EM: Am learning a new way. I do love to play - the definition of play and also the word fun have radically expanded in scope in the last couple of years. SD: For me, there is a useful distinction between play/ (leisure activities broadly defined) which have transitioned a bit towards the boring for me, distinct from playfulness which can underlie all parts of life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Humor and Self-Deception
Let me try out some mindfulness (no, not a TM'er - no hope for enlightenment here) and see if I can answer you coherently. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : EM: I posted this article because I like the topic; personally, I think the test they used, based on what they mentioned of it, is a bunch of BS. There are no black and white answers. The article itself is lousy and dumbed down for public consumption. SD: I think the premise of the study is valid (from abstract) More generally since humor often involves seeing life or a person from a novel angle and self-deception tends to reduce such angles, self-deception will naturally tend to reduce ones sense of humor. My concern is the research design -- whereby self-deception is purportedly measured by a questionnaire.In contrast, if the study identified levels of deception via brain imaging or similar means, it could be quite insightful. That is, almost by definition people don't know when they are deceiving themselves. Tell tale clues might show up if previously identified and established deception centers in the brain lit up when a subject gave particular responses. Without that, we are left with i appears, some crude notion of an implicit norm about self-detection such as its normal for everyone to at times enjoy being cruel So if one answers no to I could never enjoy being cruel.” one would presumably score higher on the self-detection scale. To me that ass-backwards. People who are cruel to others have a distinctly more limited perspective than a more considerate compassionate person that sees from multiple angles, from other people's perspectives, how actions may hurt another. And taking pleasure in another's pain further indicates some inner pain/distortions twistedness that would generally indicate a limited perspective. Which is counter to the premise of the study that a wider perspective, the ability to see things from multiple angles correlates with a broader, deeper sense of humor. EM: Great humor like great art often comes out of pain and suffering. . SD: I can't speak for others or for great art or humor, but for me, creative times are generally amplified during times of balance and integration -- when a back drop of relaxed freedom and happiness exists and playfulness is more manifest. My point on the (not termed such in prior post) of the existential angst Woody Allen appeared to express in the posted video -- to me is different than pain and suffering. The angst has force/motivated him to find humor, if not some degree of joy and happiness, from the creative act and -- and appreciating what there is in life, even if fleeting and ever changing. EM: Well, I like narratives in that I like stories, but in personal terms, it can get so grandiose and egotistical at times - relaying the *narrative* of one's life as a way of being. Gets in the way of living it. The mind by itself - I think it is overrated, personally. Inspiration comes from the heart and spirit. They gotta all be connected or it does get insanely and obscenely dull and repetitive. The mind gets off on itself and thinks it knows things - important things, which makes it happy and then it releases happy chemicals - I suspect it may all be a large form of mental masturbation (forgive my term). SD: personal narratives and imposing judgements and values on everything one sees, for me does seem to get in the way -- and over time has loosened its hold. That is distinct from the intensity and degree of mental inquiry one pursues -- which I think is an individual thing -- some are more drawn in that direction -- and the process may be clarifying for them. However, for me as to when it becomes obsessive and marginally productive can be a issue and and can trip me up at times -- warranting some reflection as to when to move on.. EM: Am learning a new way. I do love to play - the definition of play and also the word fun have radically expanded in scope in the last couple of years. SD: For me, there is a useful distinction between play/ (leisure activities broadly defined) which have transitioned a bit towards the boring for me, distinct from playfulness which can underlie all parts of life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : These open-view urinals for men have just started appearing in London. I can't see why they don't just instruct the gentlemen to go and piss against a nearby wall. OMG, that's disgusting! Where are these things? And where do you wash your hands? And why do they feel the need to mark them a men's logo, are there women's versions on the way? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : San Francisco wanted to put in toilets downtown on the streets. A French company makes self cleaning units which were ideal. They could only accommodate one person at a time and so drug dealers couldn't use them which was a concern. Then the Disabilities People yelled and they had to get ones that were large enough for them. Which meant that drug dealers could use them. The French company doesn't make them like that and I think the ones they got aren't self cleaning. I think it would have been a better idea to pass a law requiring establishments to allow the disabled to use their facilities and leave the single user systems on the street. Of course that would have caused yet another kerfuffle. On 12/14/2014 03:38 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: For anyone thinking of visiting the UK be aware we have some of the most disgusting public toilets this side of a Third World hell-hole during a dysentery outbreak. I'm serious. Make sure you buy a Radar Key (£2:45 on Amazon) - which gets you access to toilets for the disabled. They're the only ones maintained to a decent standard apart from expensive facilities at tourist traps. Otherwise you'll have to stock up on disposable toilet seat covers, pocket tissue sachets, and you'll have to learn the art of sitting on the loo with one leg outstretched to keep the cubicle door shut as the lock is invariably broken. The best place for numerous, free and clean public toilets is Tokyo. That could be a better holiday destination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... mailto:seerdope@... wrote : Assessing civilization by it its number of toilets is a wonderful metric and embodies all that makes the United States (and Netherlands) the greatest countries in the world. Toilets are a grand testament to our technological savvy in designing billion dollar systems to rid ourselves of icky stuff. I mean its just organic crap like nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium and all that boring like chemistry stuff Good riddance. Far more sophisticated to use civilized chemical fertilizers. We get to to use all those magnificent big, high tech mining machines to transform the earth from mere dirt to huge craters. Ah the glories western civilization. We rock. And look at countries like india -- they produce only 10% as much CO2 per capital of the US (15% as much as the Dutch). What losers. Would you believe that I actually read Small is Beautiful back the mid 70's. I have to laugh -- back in college I was so deluded. What a hoot. A totally looney-bin hippie manifesto. Schumaker probably hated toilets. and would have tooted graywater and growing fresh vegetables. As if !. I am glad men of the world like us see through such garbage. Came across a review the other day. I think the copious amounts of acid his mother must of taken never really left the writers brain. Small is Beautiful was a radical challenge to the 20th century's intoxication with what Schumacher described as gigantism. For several decades, mass production methods were producing more cheap goods than ever before; the mass media and mass culture opened up new opportunities to a wider audience than ever. It was creating bigger markets and bigger political entities. .. he believed such scale led to a dehumanisation of people and the economic systems that ordered their lives. One of the recurrent themes through the book is how modern organisations stripped the satisfaction out of work, making the worker no more than an anonymous cog in a huge machine. Craft skill was no longer important, nor was the quality of human relationship: human beings were expected to act like adjuncts to the machines of the production line. The economic system was similarly dehumanising, making decisions on the basis of profitability rather than human need... What Schumacher wanted was a people-centred economics because that would, in his view, enable environmental and human sustainability. It was a radical challenge which, like many of the ideas of the late 60s and early 70s (feminism is another example), were gradually adopted and distorted by the ongoing voracious expansion of consumer capitalism. ... a small is beautiful model of economic enterprise that put relationship, craft and environment at the heart of their way of working .. were later snaffled up by corporate giants. Small
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Greeks had a word for it
Better still, nip into McDonalds (yup, they are good for something) or one of the many free museums and art galleries. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : For anyone thinking of visiting the UK be aware we have some of the most disgusting public toilets this side of a Third World hell-hole during a dysentery outbreak. I'm serious. Make sure you buy a Radar Key (£2:45 on Amazon) - which gets you access to toilets for the disabled. They're the only ones maintained to a decent standard apart from expensive facilities at tourist traps. Otherwise you'll have to stock up on disposable toilet seat covers, pocket tissue sachets, and you'll have to learn the art of sitting on the loo with one leg outstretched to keep the cubicle door shut as the lock is invariably broken. The best place for numerous, free and clean public toilets is Tokyo. That could be a better holiday destination. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Assessing civilization by it its number of toilets is a wonderful metric and embodies all that makes the United States (and Netherlands) the greatest countries in the world. Toilets are a grand testament to our technological savvy in designing billion dollar systems to rid ourselves of icky stuff. I mean its just organic crap like nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium and all that boring like chemistry stuff Good riddance. Far more sophisticated to use civilized chemical fertilizers. We get to to use all those magnificent big, high tech mining machines to transform the earth from mere dirt to huge craters. Ah the glories western civilization. We rock. And look at countries like india -- they produce only 10% as much CO2 per capital of the US (15% as much as the Dutch). What losers. Would you believe that I actually read Small is Beautiful back the mid 70's. I have to laugh -- back in college I was so deluded. What a hoot. A totally looney-bin hippie manifesto. Schumaker probably hated toilets. and would have tooted graywater and growing fresh vegetables. As if !. I am glad men of the world like us see through such garbage. Came across a review the other day. I think the copious amounts of acid his mother must of taken never really left the writers brain. Small is Beautiful was a radical challenge to the 20th century's intoxication with what Schumacher described as gigantism. For several decades, mass production methods were producing more cheap goods than ever before; the mass media and mass culture opened up new opportunities to a wider audience than ever. It was creating bigger markets and bigger political entities. .. he believed such scale led to a dehumanisation of people and the economic systems that ordered their lives. One of the recurrent themes through the book is how modern organisations stripped the satisfaction out of work, making the worker no more than an anonymous cog in a huge machine. Craft skill was no longer important, nor was the quality of human relationship: human beings were expected to act like adjuncts to the machines of the production line. The economic system was similarly dehumanising, making decisions on the basis of profitability rather than human need... What Schumacher wanted was a people-centred economics because that would, in his view, enable environmental and human sustainability. It was a radical challenge which, like many of the ideas of the late 60s and early 70s (feminism is another example), were gradually adopted and distorted by the ongoing voracious expansion of consumer capitalism. ... a small is beautiful model of economic enterprise that put relationship, craft and environment at the heart of their way of working .. were later snaffled up by corporate giants. Small became cool but only as part of a branding strategy which masked the ongoing concentration of political and economic power. Gigantism has triumphed. The power of the global multinational and the financial institutions was beginning to become apparent in the early 70s, but it has grown exponentially since, unaccountable to national governments. Schumacher warned that a city's population should not rise above 500,000, but we are now living in an era of the megapolis and several cities around the world are heading towards 20m. Schumacher would be weeping over his herbal tea at the fate of his big idea. ... We yearn for economic systems within our control, within our comprehension and that once again provide space for human interaction – and yet we are constantly overwhelmed by finding ourselves trapped into vast global economic systems that are corrupting and corrupt. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Here, Rick Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ Blimey, TM videos are weird, what are all those people sitting in the background supposed to represent? I'm pretty sure that they are supposed to represent Buck's ideas of what women should be in the Age of Enlightenment -- dressed in saris, subservient, and lost in mindless adoration for Maharishi. It's not men and women in the TMO, it's men and ladies, that deliberately puts quite an expectation on them I suspect. This is the vedic woman concept Marshy was keen to introduce, women with a different, more nurturing role than the men, supporting them as they go about their important business. The men aren't shown in this video because they're in their own classes, learning how to pilot the drones used to kill anyone who doesn't obey the Laws Of Nature. Is there a TM drone patch yet?
