from:"iranitea"

It's not an either or. Great saints /meditators like Ramana Maharshi loved
animals and had them all around them. Go to the Ramana Ashram in
Tiruvanamallai, and you will see Samadhi shrines of his pet animals, a cow, a
dog, a peacock. Anyway, the place is full of peacocks. But thanks for sharing,
Ann. I never get any feeling of ill will or aggressiveness from you, besides
the fact, that we have different orientations and opinions, and I appreciate
that. I'm sure, if we met outside of FFL, we just could be friends.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

For I ran a tea house:
Now this is an example of the joy and exuberance of activity. That orangutan
is CRAZY!!

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[FairfieldLife] RE: Who?

Btw. Ramana Maharshi got his title / name by Ganapathy Shastri Muni, also
called Nayana, a Shri Vidya practitioner from Andhra Pradesh. He was the first
one to make Ramana known to a larger audience within India. After finding his
guru in Ramana, he composed a 1000 versed poem, which was actually transmitted
to him by Ramana, called Uma Sahasranam. The first book about Ramana he
composed, in verse form, representing QA, was called Ramana Gita, still at
Virupaksha times.

http://the-wanderling.com/ganapati_muni.html

Ganapathi Muni had disciples of his own, one was Kapali Shastry, another Shri
Vidya practitioner and tantric.

After Nayana died, Kapali Shastri switched from Ramana to the Aurobindo Ashram,
becoming a disciple of Mirra Alfassa. He also had a disciple of his own, M.P.
Pundit, who later became a personal secretary of Mirra Alfassa. He wrote many
books correlating tantra to Sri Aurobindos philosophy. I mention this because
of their Shri Vidya association, and because of the link Kapali Shastri
presented between Aurobindo and Ramana, as he was still revisiting and speaking
with Ramana after switching to Aurobindo. Also, one of the chapters in Ramana
Gita are questions of Kapali pertaining to Shakti in the light of Ramanas
teaching. I like this link between two worlds, the tantric Shakti world of
Aurobindo, and the Kevala Advaita world of Ramana, represented by these persons.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Another prominent south-Indian (Tamil), who:

Venkataraman was popular, good at sports, mischievous, and was very
intelligent with an exceptional memory which enabled him to succeed in school
without having to put in very much effort. He had a couple of unusual traits.
When he slept, he went into such a deep state of unconsciousness that his
friends could physically assault his body without waking him up. He also had an
extraordinary amount of luck. In team games, whichever side he played for
always won. This earned him the nickname 'Tanga-kai', which means 'golden
hand'.[web 6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramana_Maharshi#cite_note-autogenerated2-26
When Venkataraman was about 11, his father sent him to live with his paternal
uncle Subbaiyar in Dindigul because he wanted his sons to be educated in
English so they would be eligible to enter government service, and only Tamil
was taught at the village school in Tiruchuzhi. In 1891, when his uncle was
transferred to Madurai http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madurai, Venkataraman and
his elder brother Nagaswami moved with him. In Dindigul, Venkataraman attended
a British School.
In 1892, Venkataraman's father Sundaram Iyer suddenly fell seriously ill and
unexpectedly died several days later at the age of 42.[15]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramana_Maharshi#cite_note-FOOTNOTEKrishna_BikshuYear_unknown-27
For some hours after his father's death he contemplated the matter of death,
and how his father's body was still there, but the 'I' was gone from it.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Another Of My Usual

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 2:08:38 AM, iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

Hi Ann. Thanks for all the three videos. I saw them all. Of course I know
the joy of movement! What did you think? Come on, I have been walking on my
hands half of my life, as a kid and also as an adult, I still do it! But IMHO
these are two topics, getting vairagya through meditation, loving the bliss of
meditation, and enjoying movement, like dancing for example, or any type of
creative expression btw..
That first video I posted was a mistake but glad you liked them. And of course
I never implied you didn't like to move but I had no idea you liked to walk on
your hands - maybe that's what happens when you meditate too long - you can't
tell your head from your tail!

Lol, but you are wrong, I started walking on my hands when I was 8 years old. I
started my own self-made meditation when I was 15, and TM when I was 16.

I really like elephants, I was riding on one when I was in a wild life park in
India, seeing tigers in the free wild life. I was lucky, we saw 11 tigers on
one day, four of them from the elephant. One time I was walking in a procession
at the Kumbha Mela, and suddenly had the feeling of a presence walking next to
me. I looked and it was an elephant. He walked alone, and so conscious in the
whole crowd, that you would never have the fear he would run you over. They are
so controlled and gently!
Elephants are beyond amazing. So smart, so herd oriented, so social and
incredibly powerful in their presence. A real example of the sacredness
possible in a being. You are very lucky to have been around them - touched them.

You can also meet them in Indian temples. You have to give them a coin, so that
they 'bless' you with their trunk. And while looking for a coin, they
investigate the contents of your bag.

It's not an either or. Great saints /meditators like Ramana Maharshi loved
animals and had them all around them. Go to the Ramana Ashram in
Tiruvanamallai, and you will see Samadhi shrines of his pet animals, a cow, a
dog, a peacock. Anyway, the place is full of peacocks.
Of course those who spend their lives meditating are not precluded from loving
and enjoying anything on this planet including animals. I would think they
might be more inclined to appreciate them if they are, in fact, touching on the
deeper aspects of creation and themselves during all this meditating. If you
couldn't come to adore and recognize the rest of the living, breathing world as
precious and astounding as one's own existence then meditation is worthless.

Actually this is very true, you become much more sensitive to any sensory
input, in a very subtle way, when you do a lot of meditation, also when you
live celibate.

But thanks for sharing, Ann. I never get any feeling of ill will or
aggressiveness from you, besides the fact, that we have different orientations
and opinions, and I appreciate that. I'm sure, if we met outside of FFL, we
just could be friends.
I am glad to hear you say this. It is rarely my intention to appear aggressive
or mean. I'll give a poke where a poke is due and I have never tolerated any
unwarranted abuse against myself or others so other than that I'm a fairly
nice person! Of course Barry claims I'm a Mean Girl which I take as a personal
badge of honour coming from him.

You should do so, it certainly is. Actually it's just satirizing a certain type
of piling on behavior. No need to take it absolutely serious. ---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: For I ran
a tea house:
Now this is an example of the joy and exuberance of activity. That orangutan
is CRAZY!!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201359076552535amp;set=vb.1042328132amp;type=2amp;theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201359076552535set=vb.1042328132type=2theater

RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Another Of My Usual








  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Iranitea wrote:
 
Ann wrote:
   Of course Barry claims I'm a Mean Girl which I take as a personal badge of 
   honour coming
   from him.
 














 
  You should do so, it certainly is. Actually it's just satirizing a certain 
  type of piling on
   behavior. No need to take it absolutely serious. 
 
 Especially since Barry himself does far more piling on than anyone else here.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?

2013-10-11 Thread iranitea

 have done both and I'll take the open-eyes version.
 

 I ran a tea house says:
 What about marathon, I run almost marathons, a marathon takes minimum 4 hours, 
and you have to add extra rest you need afterwards, getting to the place etc. 
training it every week. Or what about iron man, can't they find passion to do 
something useful?

 

 Now you have totally missed my point. Of course marathon runners are smack dab 
in the middle of incredible and dynamic activity and it takes one to the 
extremes of physical endurance. I'm all for it. I was talking about those who 
choose to sit day after day for 7.5 hours meditating and disagreeing that they, 
as Share opines, are spiritual warriors. I was talking about meditators not 
marathon runners.
 

 And finally I ran a tea house says:
 No, the argument, that people, who like to meditate long, do so because they 
lack other passions is bogus. Meditation is their passion. 
 

 Well, it certainly is high on their list of of priorities. But how do you 
conclude that they also have other passions? If you are a dedicated meditator 
and choose to spend half of your waking hours doing that it would be an 
exceptional person indeed who could devote an equal amount of time to another 
passion. It is possible but not probable or common. 
 

 You are not able to quieten your mind, that is why you have to preoccupy it 
with all kinds of senseless stuff, just be engaged, never get to look at 
yourself.
 

 My mind is incredibly quiet during activity. You have no idea how quiet it is 
or not.You don't know me and from what you say in your next sentences indicate 
you have never had any sort of connection with horses and the incredible power 
and silence they contain. Two strikes Teahouse.
 

  Riding horses is just a distraction, it doesn't get you anywhere, and it's 
not meditation either, the joy of it will not stay on.
 

 It is ongoing every time I smell their sweet smell, kiss their muzzles, feel 
them respond to the lightest touch of my seat or leg, feel them carry me 
willingly with their straining muscles and in turn don't resent the fact that 
they work for me. It is no distraction - it requires intense focus and 
one-pointedness that transcends thought at times. It becomes simply feel and 
instinct. When you couple two beings together think intercourse without the 
sex. And to have a partner in a 1500 pound animal who chooses to interact with 
you because they somehow want to is liberating if not humbling. And that is 
only the least of it.
 

  You will never know the Ananda of meditation, you have been on the spiritual 
path allegedly for years, have lived in Fairfield, had many encounter sessions 
with Robin, but you still don't know the bliss of meditation.
 

 I'll take the bliss of all the other things waking/walking life can offer, 
thanks. Your statement makes me think you have never experienced the bliss of 
deep, abiding activity with all of the richness that every sense can bring to 
you. Life is for living and you have to suck it in with everything you've got. 
I just happen to have the faculties to be able to squeeze a lot of juice out of 
my waking/walking state. You are welcome to your eyes closed blissiness. I've 
got food to taste, forests to smell, rainstorms to feel, the sound of hoofbeats 
to hear and emerging art to see.
 

   Great saints like Ramana Maharshi continued to meditate for 15 years in 
Virupaksha cave even after their enlightenment. And why did he do this? Because 
he could do it.

 

 Because he wanted to do it. That is my point: we will all do what we most 
desire to do, if we have that luxury. And as long as I have legs that can walk, 
a brain that works and senses that can perceive then I choose to stay on two 
legs, eyes wide open slipping and slithering down some brambly, deliciously 
treacherous wooded path rather than allowing my life to slip away in long hours 
of meditation. Many here will disagree with me, after all this is a meditator's 
forum, but there you have it.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

  
 Iranitea tells Ann where it's at (according to him):
 
 (snip)
 No, the argument, that people, who like to meditate long, do so because they 
lack other passions is bogus. Meditation is their passion. You are not able to 
quieten your mind, that is why you have to preoccupy it with all kinds of 
senseless stuff, just be engaged, never get to look at yourself. Riding horses 
is just a distraction, it doesn't get you anywhere, and it's not meditation 
either, the joy of it will not stay on. You will never know the Ananda of 
meditation, you have been on the spiritual path allegedly for years, have lived 
in Fairfield, had many encounter sessions with Robin, but you still don't know 
the bliss of meditation.  Great saints like Ramana Maharshi continued to 
meditate for 15 years in Virupaksha cave even after their enlightenment. And 
why did he do this? Because he could do it.
  
 And yet Ann is far

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions

 Glorious glorious Miley Cyrus, I bow down to you, I bow down to you!
 

 Barry, seeking a more modern template for this 'devotion', I'd call it role 
playing.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote:
 
 Gimme a Shri, gimme a Shri, gimme a Namah Namah Namah! 
 
 Barry, I had this extra experience of becoming TM teacher two times. The 
 first time I was only 20, and became only a student initiator, so I got only 
 mantras 1-9. 4 years later I became full initiator, had to rehearse all the 
 teaching material, and then got the full teacher initiation together with all 
 others, now getting mantras 10-16. This in itself was a revelation, for as we 
 got the student mantras 1-8, we got this extra mantra, 9, with which we could 
 initiate in exceptional cases elder persons, that is any age beyond what we 
 were usually allowed to teach. 
 
 Now I learned that 9 was just the next mantra, assigned to the next age 
 range. While listening to Maharishi pronouncing and explaining this on tape, 
 you write this all down on a paper, and have three days to memorize them, and 
 then must destroy the paper. Hearing and learning the new mantras, I couldn't 
 get this song out of my head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnNzDzPzI44 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnNzDzPzI44  


I can certainly understand the humor you found in this situation. :-)
In my post I was trying to find some in the WHOLE CONCEPT
of these fertilizer words associated with TM advanced techniques.

Since we all know now (despite the efforts of obfuscators on this
forum) what these fertilizer words MEAN, as well as the Hindu
gods and goddesses that the original TM bija mantras are assoc-
iated with, we can easily come up with a MEANING for this
mantra. And I think that if people can step back from their
TM indoctrination long enough, they might be able to find some
humor in the situation as we have.

Let me use an example to illustrate my point. Suppose you were
seeking a boon or a favor from some famous person. But suppose
that *in order to gain that person's favors* they required you to
address them as (using a timely example):

Glorious glorious Miley Cyrus, I bow down to you, I bow
down to you!

Doesn't quite sit right, does it? I mean, who does this Miley
Cyrus babe *think she is*, to expect to be addressed thusly?
Even more, would you really *want* a favor or boon from some-
one so petty and so ego-driven as to *expect* to be addressed
that way and treated that way? 

Now do a simple word substitution, and see what TMers have
*no problem* thinking many times a day (goddess chosen 
from the original mantra example being discussed) in their
advanced technique practice:

 Glorious glorious Saraswat1, I bow down to you, I bow
down to you!

Oh, but you may say, Hey! Foul! It's not fair to compare a 
*goddess* to Miley Cyrus.

Isn't it? If you bristle at Miley Cyrus feeling as if she should
be addressed that way to grant you a favor (say, an autograph),
how is that so different than goddess Saraswati expecting to
be addressed that way to grant you the favor of transcendence,
or enlightenment?

I think it's a Good Thing to step back from the conditioning
every so often, and look at things from a different point of
view, devoid of the explanations (thought stoppers you've 
been told about them in the past. Things are *funnier* that
way, and we all need a little funny in our lives.  :-) :-) :-)


  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 Bhairitu wrote: 
  
  Aing is the bija. The advanced technique is a long form mantra with 
  extra samput added. 
 
 So 'samput' is like a kind of spiritual cheerleader squad, to give 
 the bija team some extra ooomph? 
 
 Gimme a Shri, gimme a Shri, gimme a Namah Namah Namah! 
 
 Would we call them the Pushpam Girls? (initiator joke) 
 
 :-) 
 
  On 10/09/2013 10:16 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: 
   
   that's an interesting theory - I'd like to see the bird that has a 
   call of Shri Shri Aing Namah Namah!

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 When MMY first started out in Kerala, according to 'Beacon Light of the 
Himalayas', he only used Ram (for the guys) and Shyam (for the gals), not 
unlike the ISKCON pundit boys who sing the maha mantra.


Sure about that? I found copies of the beacon light online, and there is no 
such reference in it. Rather, to the opposite, there is a report, that the 
persons mantra is selected according to their Ishta Devata, Also people are 
adviced to meditate for one hour, or if they don't experience Ananda, to just 
meditate long enough. There is no mention of the Ram mantra or the Shyam mantra 
there. On which page would that be?
 
 It was only later in 1957 that MMY started using the five bijas and created 
the sixteen variants bijas to include the Saraswati bija which he got from SBS. 

Again, where do you get this from? Can you name a source? In 1957 Maharishi was 
still in India, and AFAIK there was no other uniform method of selection there.

According to MMY, the Shankaracharya tradition is the custodian of the bija 
mantras. This makes sense because the sixteen bijas are enumerated in the Sound 
Arya Lahari, compiled by the Adi Shankara, the main scripture of the Sri Vidya 
sect. Go figure.
 
 A yoga teacher can use any seed sounds they want toin spiritual practice, even 
make up new ones, as long as they are given out in a ritual initiation. 
Otherwise, they are just simple phonemes or quasi-phonemes with no apparent 
meaning. 
 
 However, most Indians, and thus most TMers, only use bijas in a short 
sentence, such as with the word 'namah' at the end. You get one single bija 
mantra in TM and then you get the more advanced technique with the added words. 
 
 
 So, you get the seed sound and then the fertilizer; you water the root and 
enjoy the fruit. All you have to do is start the mantra and then just baby sit 
your bija and watch it grow. It's that simple!
 
 On 10/10/2013 9:41 AM, Michael Laurenson wrote:
 
 Hi Richard,
  
 I taught TM in the early 70s and been reading FFL posts for awhile.
  
 I've read that shyam, shyama are related to Krishna.
  
 Are these still considered Saraswati mantras?
  
 Warm regards,
  
 Michael

[FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions

On 10/10/2013 9:41 AM, Michael Laurenson wrote:
 Hi Richard,
  
 I taught TM in the early 70s and been reading FFL posts for awhile.
  
 I've read that shyam, shyama are related to Krishna.
  
 Are these still considered Saraswati mantras?
  
 Warm regards,
  
 Michael
  
 Shyama is Kali, while Shyam is Krishna.
 

 ShyAmA-kAli has a somewhat tender aspect and is worshipped in the Hindu 
household 

 http://www.angelfire.com/ma/ramakrishna/kali.html 
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/ramakrishna/kali.html

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 When MMY first started out in Kerala, according to 'Beacon Light of the 
Himalayas', he only used Ram (for the guys) and Shyam (for the gals), not 
unlike the ISKCON pundit boys who sing the maha mantra.
 
 It was only later in 1957 that MMY started using the five bijas and created 
the sixteen variants bijas to include the Saraswati bija which he got from SBS. 
According to MMY, the Shankaracharya tradition is the custodian of the bija 
mantras. This makes sense because the sixteen bijas are enumerated in the Sound 
Arya Lahari, compiled by the Adi Shankara, the main scripture of the Sri Vidya 
sect. Go figure.
 
 A yoga teacher can use any seed sounds they want toin spiritual practice, even 
make up new ones, as long as they are given out in a ritual initiation. 
Otherwise, they are just simple phonemes or quasi-phonemes with no apparent 
meaning. 
 
 However, most Indians, and thus most TMers, only use bijas in a short 
sentence, such as with the word 'namah' at the end. You get one single bija 
mantra in TM and then you get the more advanced technique with the added words. 
 
 
 So, you get the seed sound and then the fertilizer; you water the root and 
enjoy the fruit. All you have to do is start the mantra and then just baby sit 
your bija and watch it grow. It's that simple!
 
 On 10/10/2013 9:41 AM, Michael Laurenson wrote:
 
 Hi Richard,
  
 I taught TM in the early 70s and been reading FFL posts for awhile.
  
 I've read that shyam, shyama are related to Krishna.
  
 Are these still considered Saraswati mantras?
  
 Warm regards,
  
 Michael

[FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?

 
 Ann sez: No, no Share. These are not spiritual warriors. These are people, 
like the rest of us, who do what is most desirable and fulfilling for 
themselves. If these meditators actually felt like they wanted to do something 
else for 7 hours a day they would do it. Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes. I feel sorry for them. You 
spend a long time dead (presumably in the dark with your eyes, or lack of eyes, 
closed seeing nothing). I have a theory and I'm stickin' to it: if these 
meditating individuals had a passion or real interests in their lives (or even 
a family) they would be up and at 'em and imbibing what this magnificent world 
has to offer. Do you not think someone in activity can be a spiritual 
warrior? And what is that anyway?
 
If you say, they are people like the rest of us, I say yes they are. If you 
say, you feel sorry for them, I say I feel sorry for you feeling sorry for 
them. You say, they just sit for 7 1/2 hours in meditation, since they have 
nothing else to do, no passions etc? Do you really believe that? That means you 
cannot imagine, that a person actually enjoys meditation, and is absorbed for a 
long time. I mean, how long could you sit in meditation, honestly, before 
getting bored? 1 hour, 2 hours, 1/2 hour? What I mean to say is that a person 
doesn't meditate for so long, just because he has nothing else to do. Quite 
obviously persons who meditate so long enjoy it tremendously, and quite 
obviously they feel passionate about it, just as you maybe feel passionate 
about horses. 

What is there about horses anyway, do we still need them? Haven't we got cars, 
which bring us much safer and without getting wet to our destiny? Why waste all 
your time with horses, and what would happen, if everybody would just be 
preoccupied with horses all the time? Couldn't you just leave them alone?

What about marathon, I run almost marathons, a marathon takes minimum 4 hours, 
and you have to add extra rest you need afterwards, getting to the place etc. 
training it every week. Or what about iron man, can't they find passion to do 
something useful?

No, the argument, that people, who like to meditate long, do so because they 
lack other passions is bogus. Meditation is their passion. You are not able to 
quieten your mind, that is why you have to preoccupy it with all kinds of 
senseless stuff, just be engaged, never get to look at yourself. Riding horses 
is just a distraction, it doesn't get you anywhere, and it's not meditation 
either, the joy of it will not stay on. You will never know the Ananda of 
meditation, you have been on the spiritual path allegedly for years, have lived 
in Fairfield, had many encounter sessions with Robin, but you still don't know 
the bliss of meditation.  Great saints like Ramana Maharshi continued to 
meditate for 15 years in Virupaksha cave even after their enlightenment. And 
why did he do this? Because he could do it. 



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural 
town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only 
if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take 
very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP 
is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 
hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!
Spiritual warriors IMHO!
 

 No, no Share. These are not spiritual warriors. These are people, like the 
rest of us, who do what is most desirable and fulfilling for themselves. If 
these meditators actually felt like they wanted to do something else for 7 
hours a day they would do it. Now, these long-term, incessant meditators 
obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to compel them 
to want to stand up and open their eyes. I feel sorry for them. You spend a 
long time dead (presumably in the dark with your eyes, or lack of eyes, closed 
seeing nothing). I have a theory and I'm stickin' to it: if these meditating 
individuals had a passion or real interests in their lives (or even a family) 
they would be up and at 'em and imbibing what this magnificent world has to 
offer. Do you not think someone in activity can be a spiritual warrior? And 
what is that anyway?
 

 

 From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
 
 
   Re I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to 
see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain 
enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.:
 Yes indeed. 
 How do you find time to fit

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions

Just as a supplement here, pictures of the Shri Yantra Temple in Amarkantak,
which is built as a 3 dimensional Shriyantra Mount Meru. It wasn't there yet at
GD's time, in fact it was still being constructed when I was there, but it is
reminiscent of the spirit of the place. There is of course a two dimensional
Shri Yantra in the main temple which contains the source of the Narmada. There
is another Shankaracharya temple, which displays the Dasa Mahavidyas, the 10
majors forms of the Divine Mother, which was initiated by the Shankaracharya of
Dwaraka, Swaroopananda Saraswati http://jagadgurushankaracharya.org/, not our
guy, but nevertheless a direct disciple of GD. So he would know about the
worship of Devi's and yantras.

http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photography-mystic-shri-yantra-temple-image11087077

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Richie wrote Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have
included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not?

The crucial word here is IF, Richard, as scholars agree that he never wrote
it. But there is no doubt of the fact that Shri Vidya found entry into the
Dasanami sampradaya in South India, where Gurudevs teacher came from. IMHO it
is more likely, that GD would utilize the mantra of Tripura Sundari rather than
that of Sharada. This is what worshippers of the Shri Yantra usually do. I saw
a beautiful Shri Yantra at the temple at the origin of the Narmada river in
Amarkanthak, where GD spend about 30 years roaming the forests. Like all holy
rivers, the Narmada is seen as a manifestation of the Goddess, and Paul Mason
put a beautiful song of GD's voice praising the Narmada goddess.

Also, not all Dasanami monks meditate on the bijas of Saraswathi, not twice a
day, some do not meditate at all, and not all of TM mantras are bijas of
Saraswathi, only those of the student age. The first mantras Maharishi taught
in the west were in fact Ram mantras. Shree is typical Lakshmi, other mantras
are of Durga and Kali or Krishna.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

So, it looks like Barry 2 is thinking the bija mantras have been around for
ages. Does that men he thinks the bijas are eternal and came into the minds of
the rishis spontaneously by the grace of Lord Shiva?

Or, did the bija mantras have a human origin and were passed down from guru to
chela in a long unbroken line leading back to the maha siddhas of the tantric
tradtion?

It has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras,
out of the fifteen, contained in the Sound Arya La Hari, are in fact, TM
bija-mantras.

Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the
fifteen bijas contained within, would he not?

On 10/7/2013 6:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

So, where did the meditation of SBS come from?

Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in
the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija
mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM
initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija
mantra of Saraswati.

Let's review what we know about SBS.

Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on
Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city
of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit
Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of
Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi.

http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html

Are we agreed so far?

So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was
initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate
on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According
to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM
originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is
used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage.

So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami
order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara.

The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come
from anyone.

[FairfieldLife] RE: So You Can All Relax Now

It's because you inserted the http://http:// two times. It's your mistake 
actually. You can also just select a url, and right click, 'open link in new 
tap' , if you are too lazy to make it clickable in rich text editor. The 
problem here isn't really Neo, but people not knowing how to use a rich text 
editor. In pure ASCII editors, you don't have to make a url clickable, it goes 
automatic. (It used to be ASCII by default in the old format)

Here your link again:
 
http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html
 
http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html

  
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:

 Typical, I add a link and it clicks but takes you nowhere. You'll have to just 
do it the hard way:
 

 
http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html
 

 BTW, I was given a preview of some new 'look' on neo today on my computer at 
work. It is quite different from the one we have all been using the last few 
weeks. It seems much better...but we'll see. 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
http://http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html
 
http://http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html

RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
 Iranitea wrote:
 
  Judy:
  Shut up, Richard. I'm not disputing anything.
  She's just such a sweetie, isn't she?
 
 (Yawn) But it's perfectly OK for Richard to accuse me of
 disputing facts and misleading folks when he knows I was
 doing no such thing. Right, iranitea?
 
 Yes you are misleading folks. Even though Richie got many details wrong, or 
formulated them in a strange and freaky way, (he is actually funny), he's got 
many of the fundamentals absolutely right, while you seem to be in big denial 
there. 

Your arguments, quoting collected papers, do nothing to elucidate the origin of 
TM. That is, Richard, though not being accurate, actually provides facts and 
important clues, he provides INFORMATION, while you provide none of that. 

The other's here, who criticize  him, do so, because he provides infos THEY 
already know - but which are not talked about officially. To say, for example 
that he doesn't provide any reliable information is just misdirection on your 
part. And can you tell me: why doesn't the oh so scholarly article of Domash, 
provide any of the fundamental informations, that we are talking about here? 
Didn't he know, or didn't he want to speak about this? Because to say that the 
mantras are common place in India is not really in the interest of the 
movement, right?


 Richard wrote:
   It
   sure is looking like the authfriend
   is disputing the fact that Swami Karpatri was a member
   of the Sri
   Vidya sect. Now, why would she do that and mislead us
   about the
   SBS affiliations with Sri Vidya? Obviously if Swami
   Karpatri was a
   Sri Vidya he learned it from his guru SKS. Go figure.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: So You Can All Relax Now

Judy, this is a perfect example, of how going into nitpicking details, does 
nothing to make things more clear, but rather helps to lose sight of the whole. 
Why? Because everybody can see that the http:// is already inserted in the link 
window that opens. But it is also selected, so that when you paste a new URL 
into it, it will be overwritten. (You'd have to click somewhere in the window 
to de-select it, and then paste, and you get the double http). What I had said, 
is just a short way of saying, well you had the double http:// in your link. So 
I wonder why you write stuff like this? Did you miss, that this is there in the 
subtext of my statement already? Is it that you just want to be right?

 

 This may be a trivial issue, but this is how your arguments go 90% of the 
time. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Iranitea wrote:
 
  It's because you inserted the http://http:// http://http:// two times.
  It's your mistake actually.
 
 Ann didn't insert http:// twice, actually. The Rich Text editor's
 clickable-link feature already has http:// in the window where you
 paste the URL. If the URL you want to insert already has http://,
 as is usually the case, you have to delete it (or delete the
 one in the window), or you'll end up with two in the URL when it
 appears in the message.
 
  You can also just select a
  url, and right click, 'open link in new tap'
 
 Tab, not tap.
 (snip)
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,
 awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
   Typical, I add
   a link and it clicks but takes you nowhere. You'll have
   to just do it the hard way:
   http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html

   http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: So You Can All Relax Now

Oh is that so..? But I didn't mean to be snarky really - I just wanted to give 
you some technical information, If you already knew that - sorry.

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVVxXdOKrgo 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVVxXdOKrgo

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Dear I-ran-a-tea-house-but-don't-anymore I think Judy was picking up on your 
snarkiness and was mostly addressing that. It wasn't about the nitpicking 
details. 
 
 
 On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:48:16 AM, iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
 
   Judy, this is a perfect example, of how going into nitpicking details, does 
nothing to make things more clear, but rather helps to lose sight of the whole. 
Why? Because everybody can see that the http:// is already inserted in the link 
window that opens. But it is also selected, so that when you paste a new URL 
into it, it will be overwritten. (You'd have to click somewhere in the window 
to de-select it, and then paste, and you get the double http). What I had said, 
is just a short way of saying, well you had the double http:// in your link. So 
I wonder why you write stuff like this? Did you miss, that this is there in the 
subtext of my statement already? Is it that you just want to be right? 
 
 This may be a trivial issue, but this is how your arguments go 90% of the 
time. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 
Iranitea wrote:  It's because you inserted the http://http:// http://http// 
two times.  It's your mistake actually. Ann didn't insert http:// twice, 
actually. The Rich Text editor's clickable-link feature already has http:// in 
the window where you paste the URL. If the URL you want to insert already has 
http://, as is usually the case, you have to delete it (or delete the one in 
the window), or you'll end up with two in the URL when it appears in the 
message.  You can also just select a  url, and right click, 'open link in new 
tap' Tab, not tap. (snip) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:   Typical, I 
add   a link and it clicks but takes you nowhere. You'll have   to just do 
it the hard way:   
http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html
 
http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: The little trash can . . .

I don't want to be snarky again, so I'm not sure you are serious, but it does 
delete it for all - even non-FFlers (now that was snarky) - as you correctly 
observed, you can do that only with your own posts. If you can do that also for 
posts of others, please let me know, because I would be really interested in 
this function ;-)

(Now Alex would add, that this deletion wouldn't work for those who receive the 
post by email, and also wouldn't work for the FFL mirror page in the 
mail-archive.)
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 . . . that appears at the bottom of messages I've posted inviting me to delete 
same: does that just delete the message in my own viewing window or does it 
remove it for all FFLifers? I see I don't have the option of deleting other 
users' comments! Shame.

RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?

Share, thanks for the answer. It also proves that you can read thoughts, 
because I was just about to ask Ann if this was an example of snarkiness. 
 

 Btw., for all Neo-fans, I think I discovered another feature, I haven't seen 
any of you talking about yet. But if I click on those three little dots, which 
are hiding the comments, in my composer window, I will do that now, wait,
 

 and then click on send, it will stay open in the post. Is that so?

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Now this comment from Judy is a perfect example of snarky IMO. Ann had 
criticized that people rounding for 7 1/2 hours were thus separated from their 
spouses. I responded reasonably noting that spouses who work away from home are 
also separated for 7 1/2 hours or so.
 
 On Wed, 10/9/13, judy stein authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
 Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 8:37 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Share wrote:
 
 
 
  Ann, I think many spouses who work
 
  outside the home are separated from each other from
 most of
 
  the day.
 
 
 
 When you find out for sure, let us know, OK? This is an
 
 important insight.

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions

Any knowledge is a prison, not just TM knowledge. That's not just what 
Krishnamurti says, but Maharishi said this himself about the knowledge he was 
teaching. It's a conditioning of the mind.
 

 At my time, which was before the siddhis,  there was much emphasis to get 
fertilizers asap. That's why you don't understand, how transcendence could get 
'lively'. You do not need to understand the technicalities of Samput, but like 
for everything else, Maharishi had a substitute explanation for it, which was 
carefully explained at advanced meetings.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 You have to be exceptionally resource challenged, these days, to consider the 
TM knowledge, a prison. Also, TM, imo, is not for people who want to over 
intellectualize everything. It either works, or it doesn't, and knowing what 
samput is, ultimately makes no difference, wrt its effectiveness. For one 
thing, these so-called Advanced Techniques are not a prerequisite for any other 
program, like the TMSP. Never saw the need for one, myself.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Samput are the extra words added.  For instance they may add extra bijas to 
Gayatri to make it more powerful.  This, of course, is stuff that TM never 
students but information often explained in other traditions.  Gotta step 
outside the prison to learn it. ;-) 
 
 
 
 On 10/09/2013 12:29 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Bhairitu wrote:
 
  Aing is the bija. The advanced technique is a long form mantra with
  extra samput added.
 
 So 'samput' is like a kind of spiritual cheerleader squad, to give
 the bija team some extra ooomph?
 
 Gimme a Shri, gimme a Shri, gimme a Namah Namah Namah!
 
 Would we call them the Pushpam Girls? (initiator joke)
 
 :-)
 
  On 10/09/2013 10:16 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
  
   that's an interesting theory - I'd like to see the bird that has a
   call of Shri Shri Aing Namah Namah!

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions

Gimme a Shri, gimme a Shri, gimme a Namah Namah Namah!
 

 Barry, I had this extra experience of becoming TM teacher two times. The first 
time I was only 20, and became only a student initiator, so I got only mantras 
1-9. 4 years later I became full initiator, had to rehearse all the teaching 
material, and then got the full teacher initiation together with all others, 
now getting mantras 10-16. This in itself was a revelation, for as we got the 
student mantras 1-8, we got this extra mantra, 9, with which we could initiate 
in exceptional cases elder persons, that is any age beyond what we were usually 
allowed to teach. 

 

 Now I learned that 9 was just the next mantra, assigned to the next age range. 
While listening to Maharishi pronouncing and explaining this on tape, you write 
this all down on a paper, and have three days to memorize them, and then must 
destroy the paper. Hearing and learning the new mantras, I couldn't get this 
song out of my head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnNzDzPzI44 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnNzDzPzI44

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Bhairitu wrote:
 
  Aing is the bija. The advanced technique is a long form mantra with
  extra samput added.
 
 So 'samput' is like a kind of spiritual cheerleader squad, to give
 the bija team some extra ooomph?
 
 Gimme a Shri, gimme a Shri, gimme a Namah Namah Namah!
 
 Would we call them the Pushpam Girls? (initiator joke)
 
 :-)
 
  On 10/09/2013 10:16 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
  
   that's an interesting theory - I'd like to see the bird that has a
   call of Shri Shri Aing Namah Namah!

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions

Domash was a smart guy, I'm sure he has read the Garland of Letters like anyone 
else, it was even in the MERU library in the Sonnenberg as all other of 
Woodroffe's books. He wrote what he was allowed to write, and his was a 
devotional act, I don't blame him for that. I think he was a very thoughtful 
guy, but he knew exactly what he could afford to do, and what he couldn't. 

Coming to think of it, the movement should really install a team that 
researches the history of TM, how it developed, from the earliest sources. 
Something similar happened to Eckankar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckankar 
where the present leadership installed a committee to internally investigate 
the emergence and source of the teachings, after it became clear, that it's 
founder had plagiarized much material, and it was basically an offshot of Sant 
Mat and Radhasoami.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Or maybe because he didn't have a clue at all about what tantric traditions 
are.  If he did he might have wound up booted from the movement.  Gotta keep 
the purity of the teaching ya know. :-D 
 
 
 On 10/09/2013 08:24 AM, Share Long wrote:
 
   Testing. Richard, maybe Domash didn't mention the tantric origins because 
Westerners can have such a narrow view of what tantra is. And that view does 
not include being a recluse!
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:18 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:
 
   
 It sounds to me like you wanted to believe there was pie up in the sky, but 
you failed to get any. Maybe you sucked as a baker or maybe you just couldn't 
sit still to do a simple kindergarden yoga pose. Go figure. Maybe you just 
conned yourself - at any rate, it must have been a powerful experience, since 
you're still talking about it after all these years. LoL! On 10/8/2013 12:26 
PM, Michael Jackson wrote: 
   you knew him better than I did, but nah, it wasn't revolutionary, just 
another con man using the best con man's trick in the world, i.e. the best cons 
are ones that contain some truth, or have something that is of some value. 
Let's not forget that the term con artist means confidence artist. A confidence 
trick is an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their 
confidence, in the classical sense of trust.
 In David Mamet's film House of Games, the main con artist gives a slightly 
different description of the confidence game. He explains that, in a typical 
swindle, the con man gives the mark his own confidence, encouraging the mark to 
in turn trust him. The con artist thus poses as a trustworthy person seeking 
another trustworthy person. 
 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: 
Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Siddha 
Tradtions 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Michael Jackson wrote:   what about it was revolutionary? He wasn't the only 
Indian guru  who came to the states and europe to promote his schtick you 
know. It was revolutionary in that he found a way to present a technique of 
meditation designed for beginners, as a mere starting point from which to 
explore more interesting techniques, as the end point of meditation itself. 
In other words, he presented a kindergarten level of meditation as the best, 
most effective form of meditation on the planet, and convinced millions of 
people it was true. I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, 
wouldn't you? :-)

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions

 ...what Maharishi wanted known about the origins of Transcendental Meditation
 

 Nicely and carefully phrased, Judy. That would be the streamlined party-line - 
any resemblance to truth is purely incidental.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Seraphita, if you're interested in what Maharishi wanted known about the 
origins of Transcendental Meditation (i.e., the specific technique he taught), 
see here (it's a 1993 post from the Usenet newsgroup 
alt.meditation.transcendental, now archived on Google Groups):
 

 http://tinyurl.com/34bras http://tinyurl.com/34bras

 

 The post contains the first half of the introductory essay by Larry Domash to 
the first volume of the Collected Papers (research studies on TM, published in 
1975). The whole thing (that is, the whole first half) is of interest, but 
Domash gets to the nitty-gritty about the origins of TM in the paragraph 
beginning As an unusually talented student... if you want to skip the 
background.
 

 Rick Archer has said he was present when Domash read the essay to Maharishi 
for his approval, so we can be pretty sure it reflects the account Maharishi 
wanted told. (Whether it's 100 percent accurate is anyone's guess.) It doesn't 
exactly answer your question, but it seems clear that Maharishi didn't simply 
parrot the meditation instructions given by Guru Dev (or at least didn't want 
that to be the story).
 

 

 Seraphita wrote to Richard:

 So if I'm following your post correctly that means Guru Dev's own initiation 
into meditation was essentially an initiation into transcendental meditation 
(before it had that name obviously) - just like you and me! Would that have 
been just a beginner's technique which he would later have abandoned? And, if 
so, are there details of what his later practice was?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions

TurquoiseB: I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you?
 

 It actually IS, and I do mean this in a rather positive way. The real 
innovation in TM is the packaging. It's in the language. None of the essential 
elements that constitute TM as a technique is new at all: the mantras are the 
well known Tantric mantras as used in the Shri Vidya for example. The element 
of effortlessness and spontaneity is there in a number of other meditation 
techniques as well, otherwise, where does the term Sahaja come from? But mostly 
those other traditions, who emphasize this spontaneity and effortlessness, rely 
on some kind of transmission like in Dzogchen or  on shaktipath.  The idea to 
go with the mind rather than against it, is essentially present in all tantric 
teachings. The idea of momentary transcendence is there in Kashmere Shaivism as 
the teaching of turya between two thoughts.
 

 What is innovative, is the packaging of it AS a singular meditation technique, 
stripped from religious  language and connotations. Substituting religious 
language with more western scientific - (pseudo)- jargon. The language of a 
rediscovered lost ancient technique that is unique and effective for the 
householder is instead not innovative but typical sales pitch. Because 
'effective for the householder' is true for all tantric teachings.
 

 What is innovative is, that Maharishi came from a monastic orthodox tradition, 
and utilized it's tantric elements to open it up to something entirely 
different.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Michael Jackson wrote:
 
  what about it was revolutionary? He wasn't the only Indian guru
  who came to the states and europe to promote his schtick you know.
 
 It was revolutionary in that he found a way to present a technique
 of meditation designed for beginners, as a mere starting point from
 which to explore more interesting techniques, as the end point
 of meditation itself. In other words, he presented a kindergarten
 level of meditation as the best, most effective form of meditation
 on the planet, and convinced millions of people it was true.
 
 I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you? :-)

[FairfieldLife] Religion for dogs

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions

Well, Kindergarten isn't such a bad thing, when it comes to meditation.


  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Michael Jackson wrote:
 
  what about it was revolutionary? He wasn't the only Indian guru
  who came to the states and europe to promote his schtick you know.
 
 It was revolutionary in that he found a way to present a technique
 of meditation designed for beginners, as a mere starting point from
 which to explore more interesting techniques, as the end point
 of meditation itself. In other words, he presented a kindergarten
 level of meditation as the best, most effective form of meditation
 on the planet, and convinced millions of people it was true.
 
 I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you? :-)
 

 Some people here keep harping on the fact that TM was so elementary, 
kindergarten as you put it. Let's face it, how complicated can sitting down 
and meditating be - in any spiritual practice? I mean you put your butt on a 
flat surface and close your eyes. We're not talking splitting the atom with a 
razor blade blindfolded or running a marathon backwards. Now, granted, 20 mins. 
twice a day is pretty easy to stomach and certainly doesn't compare to the 
lifelong and continuous hours that many holy or spiritually-driven people 
devote themselves to year after year until they die (presumably of boredom). 
But the practice of TM itself is hardly kindergarten.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions

Richie wrote Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have 
included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not?
 

 The crucial word here is IF, Richard, as scholars agree that he never wrote 
it.  But there is no doubt of the fact that Shri Vidya found entry into the 
Dasanami sampradaya in South India, where Gurudevs teacher came from. IMHO it 
is more likely, that GD would utilize the mantra of Tripura Sundari rather than 
that of Sharada. This is what worshippers of the Shri Yantra usually do. I saw 
a beautiful Shri Yantra at the temple at the origin of the Narmada river in 
Amarkanthak, where GD spend about 30 years roaming the forests. Like all holy 
rivers, the Narmada is seen as a manifestation of the Goddess, and Paul Mason 
put a beautiful song of GD's voice praising the Narmada goddess.
 

 Also, not all Dasanami monks meditate on the bijas of Saraswathi, not twice a 
day, some do not meditate at all, and not all of TM mantras are bijas of 
Saraswathi, only those of the student age. The first mantras Maharishi taught 
in the west were in fact Ram mantras. Shree is typical Lakshmi, other mantras 
are of Durga and Kali or Krishna. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 So, it looks like Barry 2 is thinking the bija mantras have been around for 
ages. Does that men he thinks the bijas are eternal and came into the minds of 
the rishis spontaneously by the grace of Lord Shiva?
 
 Or, did the bija mantras have a human origin and were passed down from guru to 
chela in a long unbroken line leading back to the maha siddhas of the tantric 
tradtion?
 
 It has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras, 
out of the fifteen, contained in the Sound Arya La Hari, are in fact, TM 
bija-mantras.
 
 Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the 
fifteen bijas contained within, would he not?
 
 On 10/7/2013 6:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 
   
 On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 
   So, where did the meditation of SBS come from?
 
 Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in 
 the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija 
 mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM 
 initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija 
 mantra of Saraswati.
 
 Let's review what we know about SBS.
 
 Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on 
 Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city 
 of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit 
 Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of 
 Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi.
 
 http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html 
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html
 
 Are we agreed so far?
 
 So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was 
 initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate 
 on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According 
 to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM 
 originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is 
 used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage.
 
 So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami 
 order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara.
 
 
 
 The bijas used in TM have been around for ages.  And they didn't have to come 
from anyone.

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