[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Advanced lecture Sunday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Thanks for posting this. I actually look forward to the latest knowledge posts from this group of TM-folk in the domes. Even the announcements themselves are like sutras, or threads, of a deeper knowledge. Are you posting ALL of the announcements? If you aren't I really wish someone would. They're very informative on a deep level. I realize this is a more major announcement, but I'd love to hear them all. This is great stuff for appreciating the continuing wave that is TM and the TM-Sidhi technologies of the Unified Field. Please post'em! Thanks Dick. -V. Thanks V. Made me smile :) I really think we ought to start a fund raising drive for a couples dome though JohnY On Aug 19, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Dick Mays wrote: Subject: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Advanced lecture Sunday From: Dome Announcements owner-dom...@... Dear Meditators, Sidhas and Governors, You are cordially invited to attend the New Advanced Lecture series at the Maharishi Peace Palaces every Sunday @ 7:30PM. The Next Talk Sunday Aug 23rd will be: Eternal Bliss Consciousness: The Experience of the Attibuteless Absolute by Maharishi Aug. 27th, 1970 22 min. All meetings will begin with a group checking of the Transcendental Meditation Technique. We will be offering Advance Lectures every Sunday Evening @ 7:30 PM. We will be playing the entire series of Volume One of the New Advanced Lecture Series. (15 talks total) The Lecture Series will be offered in both the Men's Ladies Peace Palace. Everyone is Welcome in the Men's Peace Palace. ( Men, Ladies Couples) Only Ladies at the Ladies Peace Palace, please. We look forward to seeing you. Jai Guru Dev Wally DeVasier Director Maharishi Peace Palaces *** DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS is a moderated list that distributes announcements to the Maharishi University of Management community. Send your announcements to owner-dom...@...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: FW: JULY 4th HISTORY LESSON
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wle...@... wrote: From: FolkSgr1 To: FolkSgr1 BCC: FILLETSEET Sent: 7/1/2009 1:06:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: JULY 4th HISTORY LESSON Subject: July 4th - History lesson Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? Five signers were captured by the B ritish as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if /div they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember: freedom is never free! I hope you will show your support by sending this to as many people as you can, please. It's time we get the word out that patriotism is NOT a sin, and the Fourth of July has more to it than beer, picnics, and baseball games. Thanks for posting this, Bill. Amazing! JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Guru Business
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: ...and just how profitable it can be. It's a great way for poor but charismatic Hindus to amass huge amounts of wealth and opulence, often at the expense of their naive western followers. Can't you just feel the sattwa? http://ex-premie.org/pages/finance1.htm ... John Macgregor, who claims to have been a confidant of Mr Rawat for more than 20 years, last weekend alleged the Mahariji had a secret tax haven in the Channel Islands (Jersey, UK), owned luxury homes from Brisbane's Fig Tree Pocket to South Africa, and flew money out of Australia into Swiss bank accounts. I see that they also favor the Channel Islands for banking.. hummm.. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: WOULD YOU HAVE APPROVED ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_sp...@... wrote: I hear that Electoral College system is Obsolete. A simple majority vote count by the entire population would be more accurate. If that system was used, Al Gore would have been the President. One problem with a simple majority vote is that the rural states would be under represented, and the states with large cities and on the coasts would be overrepresented. I believe that the electoral college was designed to over come this problem. It makes the presidential candidates pay attention to the concerns of the less densely populated, but important rural areas of the country. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Actual Story on Tony Nader's Ved in Physiology Book, was: The Meals of K
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote: They were directed not to claim any authorship nor to disclose the fact that Tony Nader was not the author. Reportedly, the TMO purchased the basic material for the book from an unpublished, non-TM source in the UK. The Vedic Gods as Figures of Human Biology published sometime in the 1930s I have a copy of this book. Found it in the mid-seventies just prior to taking the siddhi's course. The title page reads: THE VEDIC GODS AS FIGURES OF BIOLOGY BY V.G. RELE, L.M.S, F.C.P.S Author of The Mysterious Kundalini Bhagavad Gita - An exposition FORWARDS BY EDWARD J.THOMAS, M.A., D. LITT Author of Vedic Hymns, translated from the Rig-Veda with introduction and notes AND Y.G. NADGIR, M.S. Professor of Anatomy, Grant Medical College, Bombay BOMBAY: D.B. TARAPOREVALA SONS CO. KITAB MAHAL, HORNBY ROAD. I took a picture of the title page but haven't figured out how to put it in a message here... JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Adiraja Rajaram speaks about religion and teaching etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@ wrote: He speaks very directly about the kind of issues that some people are concerned about here, is TM a religion, what is the relationship with Hinduism, does a TM teacher have to represent the tradition all the time 24/7 etc. currently repeating often on the Maharishi Channel and you can find your time on the schedule. www.maharishichannel.in The schedule doesn't say which of the five channels any particular program is on. I'd watch it only if it were on Channel 3, because I have no intention of installing the plug-in. But I'd really be interested in hearing what he has to say. Any clues what channel it's being shown on? I'm in the same boat. I looked there a few weeks ago, but I wouldn't install the plugin either JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Billy, Again you surprise me. Can't figure ya. snip How many more years before Girish takes the title Maharishi, kicks the raja's out of the fold, sends a gang of Indian thugs to re-structure MUM, etc.? Can't be too long as the economy dries up all the cash cows -- Girish will want to reduce his staff, right?...there goes King Tony and the Apostles. Edg No, No! First there'll be a raja recertification course - only $500,000 Will they be called RajaRajas? reRajas? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Duality Cartoons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip Curtis you make me smile today, even though I had to put my beloved dog down today. Thank you. Sincere condolences brother. The little creatures give us so much joy. Every morning they greet us as if this is the greatest day of their lives because we are sharing it with them. We go out for lunch and when we return we get a hero's welcome as if our return from the pizza joint was a triumphant odyssey worthy of rippling excitement and celebration. What a gift to have loved such a dog. My condolences as well Geezer, truer devotion I have not seen... Every time I loose a dog, another shows up 6 to 9 months later to correct my errant ways. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ottumwa Courier on TM for Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hinda9@ wrote: Dear Friends, If anyone out there has any connections to the higher ups in the movement, PLEASE try to convince them that now is the time to offer TM free of charge, or at least, at a very small nominal fee. We have opened up the domes, now this is the next obvious step. Many initiators are not able to come to Fairfield to participate in group program, but I'm sure they would gladly, happily, without hesitation, love to initiate people in their home towns as their way of contributing to alleviate the stress of this crisis. As Jean Greco says, what if the answer is in our own back yard, and we're not letting people in because we want money. The TM movement has come to be known as a commercial enterprise. It's time to get back to the basics - the Spiritual Regeneration Movement. Love and Peace That's a completely weird thing to suggest. Haven't you been paying atten to what Maharishi did during the last 30 years or so ? He lately raised the prices to stop initiation, allowing only a few rectified teachers to teach a little thus creating a very necessary breakdown of the economic structures. The Pundit-project is simply a safety-valve to prevent a total meltdown. Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi, 1989 Maharishi and the Masters of Wisdom did just that. Capitalism is now finished. Better get used to the idea and adjust rather than clinging to old concepts. The Movement belongs to those that move - Maharishi Is there a more mundane explanation? Triggered by the movements involvement in the Natural Law Party, and all the fund raising for the movements non-profit organizations, and most of the money from property transactions going overseas, perhaps investigations were on the horizon (SEC? etc...). It was all shut down, raising prices on initiations, MAPI, shedding employees (initiators), taking names off the board of directors of the non-profits. Activities in England were also shut down. Maybe someone who knows more about non-profits and overseas monetary activity can comment. All the esoteric explanations don't make any sense. NLP, MAPI, fund raising charities, Peace Palaces, SPAS, stores, MIU to MUM... Plenty of places for legal obscurity. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confronting the shadow of spiritual dysfunction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Interesting in contrast to the TM Org, where dysfunction and abuse-- the dark shadow--has never been confronted or even acknowledged by the org itself. In stark contrast even the Roman Catholic church has begun to process it's own shadow. But it's interesting to see how a parallel community to the TM Org successfully met and worked through it's own shadow: When yogi Amrit Desai's Kripalu Yoga community fell apart in 1994, an enormous sense of betrayal swept his disciples. A public disclosure of the master's secret affairs and manipulation of power and money over twenty years disillusioned many. Yet because he was also a creative and wise teacher, students were able to use the very practices he had taught them--of inquiry, balance, and compassion--to deal with their loss. After months of difficult meetings and councils, the master was asked to leave and the students were left to work with their confusion and despair. Over the years since, the community has rebuilt itself, dedicated to the principles of yoga and healthy spirituality that the crisis of betrayal taught them. And the master too claims he has learned important lessons from this process. - Jack Kornfield We had a few women from this area who joined Desi's group after getting worked over a little by the TMO. Makes me wonder how they made out - no pun intended And I live close enough to Swami Rama's place to know about some of the fallout from their lawsuits on the close in folks. At least the Brahmasthan is a little farther away. :/ JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Slide show of Brahmasthan of India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Your analysis is correct. The americans had their chance. Much of the writings on FFL shows that they wasted this historic chance; that wide open door provided by His Holiness and a few very advanced american souls for that country. Rather, out of immaturity and foolishness the majority chose to close that door so generously provided by Maharishi and the Masters. Never underestimate the Hillbilly-effect ! Nature is very, very patient. But She is not forever patient with stupidity. The Movement belongs to those who move - Maharishi So Nabby, you're from Sweden or some Scandinavian country, right? What has the TM movement in your country done that's so much better than what the US movement has done? That is a very good question Rick. To answer this I would say that the scandinavian countries did less than the americans did. Much less. At least in terms of building up India or bringing the Knowledge to all corners of the earth or usher in the Age of Enlightenment. Who invited Him into their homes in 1956 ? The americans did. Who started research on consciousness and TM; the americans did. Idealistic, bright and dynamic Americans, souls applying for Discipleship and Initiation into the knowledge of the Masters of Wiwsdom did everything they possibly could do when the Scandinavians souls, with a few excemptions, simply were onlookers. Compared to Americans, many now solidly on the path to further Initiations, the Scandinavians did shamefully little. Many there missed this rare carmic opportunity. After His first travel to the Scandinavian countries Maharishi was asked about His impression of these countries and He said: Norway is Sattva, Sweden Rajas and Denmark Tamas. My rant about America and americans versus the TMO must be seen in this light: The Americans where the first in the West to acknowledge His world-transforming teaching and His mission in creating The Age of Enlightenment for all to enjoy. In many ways they are the chosen people who, in the eternal Akasha Chronicles will be remembered for their role in transforming this earth into Heaven. In that country, The United States of America, Maharishi found those few, evolved, ready souls He needed to bring the blessings of Brahmananda Saraswathi to the whole world. For this the Americans are forever blessed and their role firmly recorded in the eternal Akasha Chronicles. If I left a different impression about this theme, I am very sorry. Nab, you are a very funny guy. That's a 'compliment' with an awful lot of backhand in it. There's just no response to this stuff... JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Slide show of Brahmasthan of India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Comments from a friend not on FFL: Man, this guy from the slideshow sounds dull. I've visited this place last year after Maharishis cremation. It's a extremely dry desert like area in the middle of nowhere. There is this little landmark from the government indicating the middle of India and Maharishi claimed to have found the real middle of India about 500 meter from the official site. Probably because he was not allowed to put the official site under construction. This whole undertaking is so absurd. Training poor kids to become praying robots. Transferring huge amounts of money (that's easy to corrupt) and building stuff that will be definitely devastated in a few years. Who needs 16000 pundits? World peace absolutely not! The essense of money laundring is the mispriced transaction .. I'm just saying :/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Slide show of Brahmasthan of India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote: And If heard it right, there are only six raja houses. to house how many rajas? 50-60? So ten or so per house. Like a frat house. These reactions are to expected. A huge compound of several thousand buildings is being erected in India as we speak that will house not only 80,000 Pundits but most of the Western Movement as well. Why are americans going nuts, writing like this great swan just did ? Because Fairfield soon will be inhabited only by hangers-on and spiritual vampires, followers of this and that minor socalled guru and the original non-meditating population ? Probably. But it goes deeper than that. The americans are slowly and painfully realizing that they are no longer at the centre of the universe. The world has moved on thanks to the great efforts and personal sacrifies of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. http://tinyurl.com/d3dnb3 Actually Nab, those thousands of buildings, as far as the eye can see... are really due to the 'great efforts and personal sacrifices' of thousands of Americans, their bank accounts, and real estate schemes that that money made possible. Perhaps a more fitting emotion would be gratitude, not scorn. Of course I wouldn't want to contradict the spiritual point of view... JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Problem areas with gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: One common area of danger in spiritual communities is the misuse of power. This is most likely to occur when a teacher or master wields all the power in a given community. When the master's wishes are paramount, when students wait on his or her every word, when questioning is discouraged and feedback absent, the teacher can all too easily begin to control students' lives, claiming that it is for their benefit. Gradually an unconscious intoxication with power can replace wisdom, and love becomes a reward, dispensed only as the teacher decrees. Sectarianism and rivalry inevitably grow when power is misused. There are those who are saved, and those who are lost or punished. There are cliques, ingroups, secrets, and power struggles. At its most painful, the misuse of power creates paranoia, cults, and other horrors. A second problem area for teachers and communities can be the misuse of money. The grace found in spiritual life evokes great generosity, and as a community becomes successful, money flows in: for God, for the temple, for the holy work of the leader. Because most religious traditions are steeped in simplicity, their teachers are not trained to deal with money. Without a continuing rededication to the core of practice, it is all too easy in our materialistic society for spiritual leaders to become overwhelmed by money, to clutch after security, or to fall from need into greed in the name of the spirit. In the worst cases, abuses of money can lead to secret bank accounts, high living, and fraudulent use of donations, even while other community members are asked to live austerely and work without compensation. A third common area of harm is misuse of sexuality. The abuse of sexual energy is unfortunately prevalent in our times, and this can easily become a problem in a spiritual community when a teacher is unconscious in this area. The teacher's needs, combined with the ambivalence toward and denial of sexuality that are found in most spiritual teachings, can lead to secret affairs, sex in exchange for access to the teacher, students serving the teacher by sex in the name of tantra, and other forms of sexual exploitation. -Jack Kornfield Concise, appropriate, no new-age-ey rationalizations. How nice. Thank you JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: BSG
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Any fans out there? It is all coming together in such an amazing way. My guess, there are no humans left, everybody is a Cylon! Nah, looks like there are a few more twists and turns left ... The Five -- very Vedic ;) JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nina Simone - I Feel Good
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6xtaa_feeling-good-nina-simone_music or http://tinyurl.com/68ze63 Worthwhile. Yes - Thankyou ;) JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mc Cartney, the TMO (P. Mason)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 john_youells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amritasyaputra amritasyaputra@ wrote: Like the cancer cell that kills the cell that has fed it, you wish all bad to the TM movement. Why don't you start a grass root organisation for yourself and the like and let this TM Movement in peace? It would save you from all the hatred you are spreading in your brain and around yourself. Shaas It's not hatred, it's sadness. 25 years of good will frittered away, leaving a fund raising and real estate business as it's skeletal remains. The TMO doesn't teach TM anymore, and hasn't for quite some time. Soon there won't be anyone left in the west to raise funds from JohnY You wish. L. What do you mean You wish. ? You don't think that TM'ers in the west aren't passing away faster than new meditators are being taught? Do you think that forming a foundation to meet the fee requirements is an effective way to present TM to potential new students? Do you think that yagya's by reluctant visa seeking pandits, supported by multimillion dollar subsidies, will actually change world consciousness? Do you actually think that robes and crowns actually make a good impression on the public? Do you actually think that casting aside the majority of TM teachers actually has a positive effect on the teaching of TM? (Well, actually that one might, in the long run ) Then again, with land and property prices falling, charitable donations falling, and the markets tanking, there's a whiff of TM teaching revival in the air ;) JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mc Cartney, the TMO (P. Mason)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amritasyaputra amritasyapu...@... wrote: Like the cancer cell that kills the cell that has fed it, you wish all bad to the TM movement. Why don't you start a grass root organisation for yourself and the like and let this TM Movement in peace? It would save you from all the hatred you are spreading in your brain and around yourself. Shaas It's not hatred, it's sadness. 25 years of good will frittered away, leaving a fund raising and real estate business as it's skeletal remains. The TMO doesn't teach TM anymore, and hasn't for quite some time. Soon there won't be anyone left in the west to raise funds from JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: TMO issues aside, I would love to hear Paul McCartney Mike Love duet on 'Back in the USSR' - also to hear Paul Horn blow some airy flute what about Ringo Paul working together again, that would be nice. Someone compared the Paul concert to George's concert in England. If it is a fraction as good, then it will be really very good. I attended George's concert it was rivetting - Ringo turned up for the encore and it was a real pleasure to hear them play!!! With regards to the TMO hopefully the TMO will collapse, very quickly, and if it does, I predict this would put meditation back at the grass roots level, where it belongs, out of the clutches of the Lords and Ladies of the New Raj. Why I reckon there would be a lot more interest in meditation if there weren't this queer organisation lurking about, giving people the willies!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some money calculations to show to Sir Paul
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I guess my point is just that as laudable a goal as teaching a million kids to meditate is, it would be more laudable if 1) someone did the math and realized that their goal cannot possibly be realized by the proceeds of one concert and that thus all the foo-rah about the concert is moodmaking I don't see anywhere in the promotion for the concert that its proceeds are expected to do the whole job. One million students, as I understand it, is the *overall* goal of the Lynch Foundation, not just for this concert. But why is there this VISCERAL NEED to raise so much money. The TMO transferred about $500 million out of US acct's into offshore accts over the past 6 yrs or so - this is black and white in the public records that non profits must make. They still have hundreds of millions in the US, as well as who knows how much in India and elsewhere. The TMO makes itself out to be some compassionate charity that would love to feed the starving children of the world if only they had the money to buy food. The TMO has plenty of money to teach children to meditate if they really wanted to. There are still plenty of tm teachers out there that would love to make $40,000 per yr to teach tm full time to kids; teachers who either haven't been able to make it in the world or who would retire if they could supplement their retirement income with 40K. My calculation is 1 teacher = 1,000 initiates per year, or $40 per person cost to pay the teachers. Maybe round that up to $100 per kid to cover other expenses. Maybe the TMO doesn't feel they should have to dig into their vast offshore investment funds to pay for children to learn TM, fine, just do without a profit and charge the Lynch Foundation $100 per kid and let Lynch/McCartney raise that more reasonable amount. I'd like to get behind the LM duo, they're much more likable and sincere than the standard tmo'er, but I can't get excited about this because it's really just another scheme to send money to disreputable people who already have plenty of money. Plus who knows what other bs they might put in the kids heads as they learn tm? My sentiments exactly Boo. It stinks of being another scheme to further line the fat wallets of the Shrivastava/Varma clan. Or they've taken a huge hit in the market recently and want to buy more real estate... ? It's for the children. after all. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Financial Crash: Update on guy who predicted this back in 2006
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nelson wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I see this as an engineered collapse by people who hate the middle class and have for hundreds of years. They hate us owning property. They want us only as their serfs but would much more pleased if they could find some way to kill us all off most likely by some disease they've been immunized against. They're just waiting to get their fleet of clean-up robots built. Kind of reminds me of groups who want to just appeal to the wealthy I am having *far* too much fun posting today, and seem intent on posting out early, so I will comment. :-) I could play pile on and characterize this as just another of your Conspiracy Theories, but shit, man, I've read too much science fiction and too much real history, and what you're suggesting is simply not out of the question. There is *always*, at every point in history, a ruling class of people who are more than willing to kill other people to make sure that they and their children remain the ruling class. I'm just hoping that the traditional victim classes have read as much science fiction and real history as I have, and don't go willingly to the slaughter. My goal in writing novels is to catch people before they become generals and senators and presidents and poison their minds with humanity. - Kurt Vonnegut Regarding conspiracy theories when people ask how my retirement account is doing I tell them I was stupid enough to listen to conspiracy theorists and move my retirement funds into cash. ;-) + Look what is happening to the value of the cash- better spend it before it gets down to where it can be used for mulch or starting fires. Or worth less than toilet paper. Maybe we should stock up on toilet paper or beans and rice or ammo.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take the The Civic Literacy Quiz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: How well do you know your [U.S.] civics? I scored 81.82%. How about you? Take the quiz: http://americancivicliteracy.org/ SPOILERS AGAIN! (scroll down for content) I missed one, but I'm going to quibble about it. :-) 33) If taxes equal government spending, then: A. government debt is zero B. printing money no longer causes inflation C. government is not helping anybody D. tax per person equals government spending per person E. tax loopholes and special-interest spending are absent The quiz says that D is the correct answer, but it is only if you assume that what they are talking about is that the *average* tax per person equals the *average* government spending per person. Obviously, neither is true if you do not throw the word average in there. So I went for A, which isn't literally true either, because they could have debt from previous years, but I thought it was better than D, which was worded even more sloppily. I was WAY surprised I did as well as I did, and have to admit to guessing based on this makes the most sense rather than actually knowing the answer. Fun. I went for A too. Call me over idealistic... then again it took me an awful long time to understand the difference between 'TMO Truth' and honest information. :/ JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inspiring Up-date on India's Success in TM for Education--Up-date #1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alarik is such a bright guy. He has a unique way of thinking. He makes these lateral intellectual moves that are so unexpected and such a delight. One of the brighter gems in the MIU/MUM/MERU faculty. I think he's from another planet! ;-) --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Inspiring Up-date on India's Success in TM for Education--Up-date #1 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 12:53 PM From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:40 AM To: 'David Orme-Johnson' Subject: Inspiring Up-date on India's Success in TM for Education--Up-date #1 Dear Friends and Family, here is some very inspiring news about rising coherence in collective consciousness from Alarik and Cynthia Arenander. All the best, David Maharishi Vedic India Education Project Maharishi Vidya Mandirs The largest Chain of Privately Owned Public Schools in India Over 90,000 Students in 143 Branches in 118 Cities Quote from Maharishi on Education: If the age is to rise to invincibility, a fundamental value has to be supplied to the field of education: Knowledge of pure consciousness and how to experience it. Dear Friends, We are so happy you are interested in getting up-dates on what is happening in India. During our tour in September and October, we came to the realization that India is the key to establishing collective coherence for the whole world. With that said-- We have made our goal: 100,000 Indian Students to Learn Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation On Wednesday, November 19th: It was confirmed that a public school in India with over 1000 students, faculty and staff will begin the practice of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation on December 1st. Can you imagine the momentum that will be gained when 1000 students start TM in just a few days and meditate together? The heart warming story of how this all came together is so inspiring that when a dear friend heard about it said--We have to make this into a video to put onto You Tube so everyone's heart can over flow! On Thursday, November 20th: An anonymous angel raised $2500 from about 6 wonderful donors so that a whole school of 500 students and 30 faculty from lower income families could learn Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation. These donors really loved the fact that they could give $100 to $250 and for that donation, they were responsible for 50 or more students to begin Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation. It even sounds competitively priced at $4.72 / initiation . JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take the The Civic Literacy Quiz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: How well do you know your [U.S.] civics? I scored 81.82%. How about you? Take the quiz: http://americancivicliteracy.org/ Great quiz, I encourage everyone to take it. I thought I got 100% right, but I didn't. What's great is they tell you which ones you got wrong (see below) My results copied and pasted: You answered 29 out of 33 correctly 87.88 % Same here Shemp: You answered 29 out of 33 correctly 87.88 % Average score for this quiz during November: 77.3% Average score: 77.3% You can take the quiz as often as you like, however, your score will only count once toward the monthly average. If you have any comments or questions about the quiz, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can consult the following table http://americancivicliteracy.org/2008/additional_finding.html to see how citizens and elected officials scored on each question. Where to from here? http://americancivicliteracy.org/resources/whereto.html Spoiler - don't look until after :) Answers to Your Missed Questions: Question #4 - B. Would slavery be allowed to expand to new territories? Question #7 - D. Gettysburg Address Question #30 - C. decreasing taxes and increasing spending Question #33 - D. tax per person equals government spending per person
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic City went for McCain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The moral is that just because you think a lot about enlightenment, it doesn't mean you are able to make a rational decision. I'd say the moral is a lot of well-to-do vote conservative to protect their own interests. I assume Vedic City is like the Heavenly Mountain Resort in that only the wealthy will buy a home for many times what it should sell for? Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Vedic City went for McCain To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 11:12 PM From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of feste37 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vedic City went for McCain This is what I hear, anway, that Vedic City, by a narrow margin, voted for McCain and the Idiot. How do you know. Is the data public? Which makes Vedic City a small red dot in an ocean of blue, since Jefferson County as a whole, and Fairfield, went for Obama by big margins. The moral is that just because you think a lot about enlightenment, it doesn't mean you are able to make a rational decision. I guess money talks, nobody walks. Given all the strident political talk here, this is the funniest thing I've heard here in quite some time. It's even funnier than that 'first authentic yoga course in the history of mankind' - for only $600 of course. :) JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Three kinds of Mystic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Three kinds of Mystic --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Thank you for lowering your exalted vibrations so much to speak to we mala covered sansarins! Some day we will be as great as you. Oh please, please may that day come soon. How is it you are so wise? Oh, doctor of futility, derangment and ego; no wiseness here that is not already inherent in your own young soul ! Why living by the idea that also you should not get a checking ? By the grace of the TMO a checking is now avaliable to all; including mala covered, moodmaking sansarins and pseudoshrinks. Peter's whole problem stemmed from the fact that I initiated him and gave him his first checkings. My checkings undoubtedly contained seeds of corruption and falsehood. If you had given him his start, he would have remained a true blue, upstanding member of the TM family. But he was tainted by American karma, and thus doomed along with the rest of us to a life of perdition. Thats very, very funny ! :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To our Dear Enlightened Family, Many of you might be wondering why you have not yet received an invitation to the Maharishi Vedic performance. As soon as we had the website available to sign up on-line, the Vedic performances were not available to the public in the latter part of September and October. The performances are once again available to the public. We hope to send an invitation to everyone who has not yet attended within the next several weeks. If you are no longer in Fairfield, please let me know. We hope that you will reapply prior to your next visit here. Thank you for your understanding. We look forward to seeing you at a future performance. Jai Guru Dev, Eloise Raymond, Development Office Global Country of World Peace 641-470-7027 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nobody going? I don't get it. You have to apply? Is it 'open to the public' or not? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:57 PM, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jai Guru Dev, Eloise Raymond, Development Office Global Country of World Peace 641-470-7027 eraymond@ Nobody going? I don't get it. You have to apply? Is it 'open to the public' or not? JohnY It's open to the public like most things are at MUM. Bring your up to date dome badge. The added kicker to go so the pundits is that seating is limited and donors get first dibs. Ah, just open to the contributing public or those with real estate experience... that 'enlightened family' I get it now. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kneecapping Sarah Palin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a hometown radio interview, Sarah says the role of the media is to report fairly and accurately so that citizens can trust them to hold government accountable. She denies the stories about shopping for clothes, Africa is a country, and the bathrobe greeting at the door of her hotel. It's just pettiness designed to trash her and we eat it up without question from unnamed sources. Sounds like she wants a free press to do its job rather than becoming a propaganda machine that manipulates the electorate. After experiencing the TMO in all it's glory, I'm much more skeptical of any press reports, especially the political press. The watch words are 'who does it serve' and 'follow the money'. I've learned from a Master. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kneecapping Sarah Palin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: I feel sorry for Palin. Here's a woman who is not stupid, but she's not intellectually curious nor oriented. She's a rube. Probably doesn't read very much and her jobs as Mayor of a small Alaskan town and then Governor of Alaska which is an amazingly underpopulated state, under 7000,000 people, did not force her to expand her intellectual horizons very far. She gets thrown onto the national stage in the media spotlight and she tries to skate by on charisma instead of knowledge and she humiliates herself. So she becomes defensive and refuses help. She might have fantasies of running in 2012, but there has got to be a paradigm change in her orientation to the job, or she'll just humiliate herself again. Some one smart and close to her needs to have a come to Jesus meeting with her to let her know the facts of political life. And you Republicans out there, you really want to waste your energy by trying to promote this rube? Here Comes the Bus! Beep Beep! by dcmediagirl 11/6/08 Let's face it: John McCain had a hard row to hoe. Conservatives never really warmed up to him. At times he appeared to be phoning it in. His staff's strategy, particularly with regards to advertising and message shaping, was pathetic. The press was overwhelmingly biased in favor of his opponent. He was outspent 8-1 by the Obama people. Overall, the campaign was limp, confused and disorganized. John McCain had the class and dignity to accept responsibility for his loss. His staff, however, is a different story. Unable to take any blame for any of the poor decisions made by overpaid and incompetent campaign aides, former staffers are feverishly trying to stay hireable and politically viable by engaging in hysterical finger-pointing. So who is REALLY to blame for McCain's defeat? Of course! Sarah Palin. Never mind that McCain needed Sarah Palin more than she needed McCain. He needed her to gain much needed street cred among conservatives. She routinely outdrew him at campaign rally after campaign rally. Say what you will about her agree with her or not, respect her or not in a few short weeks Sarah Palin, the most popular governor in America and one of the most viciously vilified women in politics next to Hillary Clinton, became a bona fide political and pop culture icon. If McCain had been crazy enough to choose Mitt Romney instead he would have lost not only the northeast but the South as well. So let's give the lady some credit for breathing life into a moribund campaign. But no. It was her shopping sprees that finished McCain off. Right. Never mind that the clothes were paid for by the party. Message to McCain staffers engaging in this anonymous sniping: I hope that the press suspends their practice of hiding your identities and exposes you for the cheap shot artists you are. May you never work on another campaign again, not that you deserve to - you didn't exactly knock the country's socks off with your mad political skillz. On another note, a friend of mine texted me this morning bellyaching about how if John Kerry had run a campaign like Obama's we would have been spared another 4 years of Bush. I had to remind her that Kerry couldn't have run this sort of campaign. He didn't have Obama's natural advantage of a press corps that did a swan dive into the tank for him. That aside, Kerry had another major weakness - he was being advised by Bob Schrum, an overpriced hack who came to the Kerry campaign having lost every presidential campaign he ever worked on. Going back, Al Gore had Donna Brazile. Dukakis had Susan Estrich. Mondale had Bob Beckel. Not coincidentally, all these political geniuses with their stropng records of failure are now employed as contributors by cable networks. On the other hand, Bill Clinton had James Carville and Paul Begala. And Bill Clinton was a sensational campaigner, better than anyone I've seen in my lifetime. One could argue that his campaign was run with more skill than Obama's; after all, Obama didn't have a Gennifer Flowers holding a press conference before the New Hampshire primary. The press corps declared Clinton's candidacy dead and buried. We all know how that turned out. To return to the original topic of this blog men fuck up most egregiously. A female sacrficial lamb is trotted out to take it in the neck. Enough already. If I had to guess, I'd say that some political consultant was just setting up for his next campaign job on the other side of the fence. If I was feeling really conspiratorial I'd say that someone who just lost their paycheck just scooped up some extra cash. One thing for sure, someone(s) in the winning party is very afraid of Governor Palin. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: 100+ Days for America - A Special Initiative
Call me skeptical, but I can't help but feeling (in an unrecertified sort of way) that a fresh call for funds is in the works... Having your family and/or company participate in the Maharishi Yagya program all the other stuff could at least be relaxing ;) JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leaving work earlier to make group program Hey, I've got an idea for parents. Leave work early , blow off program, and spend some time helping your kids with their school work. MORE program. Yeah, that's what families need! Raising the next generation of abandoned children for the Age of Enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Please forward this to all your meditating friends. 100+ Days for America - A Special Initiative Dear Friends, This is a time of enormous transformation and purification for our country and the world. The financial crisis has upended our country's economy. We will be electing a new President and Congress. Our nation will experience more twists and turns as it faces many pressing challenges. Our new president's first 100 days will be very important. For some in our nation, this can be a time of fear and uncertainty. It doesn't need to be that for us. We know this can also be a time of great opportunity and growth. As Yogic Flyers, we have the ability to directly influence our nation's collective consciousness and make this phase transition a smoother, more comfortable, and positive experience for all. We have achieved our minimum Super Radiance numbers, with deep gratitude to our Maharishi Vedic Pandits. But we can do more. Maharishi perpetually asked himself 'what more can I do?' - and so can we. We can reach 2500, the number Maharishi said would make our country invincible. 8000 NOW invites every Yogic Flyer to look inside and see what more we can each do to contribute to an even greater level of coherence and Support of Nature for our country and ourselves. We invite you to make a personal commitment to Maharishi and Guru Dev to keep through the new President's first 100 days in office. Depending on what you are already doing, your commitment could include: · Joining the Invincible America Assembly · Coming to group program more frequently · Doing longer programs · Rounding on the weekends · Adopting an earlier bedtime to make morning program (and have clearer experiences when we are there) · Making sure we do every single part of our program · Calling or emailing friends and inviting them to take part in this initiative · Helping others attend program with rides or other forms of support (finding babysitters, etc.) · Encouraging your employees to increase their Super Radiance attendance in whatever way possible · Leaving work earlier to make group program · Having your family and/or company participate in the Maharishi Yagya program · These are just a few ideas, please send us more if you have them! We all have many important responsibilities that challenge our time and resources. So this is a personal decision to make with Maharishi and Guru Dev. We just ask that you honestly assess what more you can do -- and then do it! Let's start immediately, before the election, to ensure that the best possible presidential candidate is selected and to ensure we elect a Congress that can make the wisest decisions for our country. Let's continue after November 4 to help our country - and the world - recover from the financial crisis. Let's keep it up for the first 100 days after our new President takes office to help him and our new Congress make the best decisions as they address the enormous challenges facing our nation. By that time, we may feel so committed, we will want to keep it going and going to usher in more prosperous, healthy, and evolutionary times for all. We invite you to write down your commitment and offer it at one of the boxes set up at all the flying halls. A form is attached and copies will also be available in all flying halls. No names are necessary. Or simply keep your commitment to yourself. The important thing is to act. Together, let's make our nation invincible and reap the rewards. Thank you for all you are doing. Jai Guru Dev, 8000 NOW What lies behind us, and what lies before us, are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Guru Dev's Guru'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HIS HOLINESS SRI SWAMI KRISHNANANDA SARASWATI MAHARAJ: http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/saints/krishnananda.htm More on Guru Dev: http://oaks.nvg.org/vo1ra2.html That's not the correct Krishnanand - the one you're pointing at was born in 1922 and was working for the government in 1943. He's too young to be Guru Dev's guru JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments from a wealthy friend of mine: It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one who was more tight with money than anyone I've ever known. I never saw him giving anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that public display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt donated at his request. He was only asking for more money all time even though he controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others for lack of generosity and compassion. What he writes below displays a lack of understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like any other kind of business. If bankers are to give away their profits, then why not businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give to charity and help others, which he never did on any material level. His fantasy about all the world's probem's being solved in the Age of Enlightenment or Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he claims credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just that, a fantasy. It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such wisdom of the Vedas he had these unusual quirks. In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his poverty removal program... On 19 June, during the Conference on Removal of Poverty broadcast live by satellite and the Internet from the Financial Capital of New York, Maharishi gave a strong message to the banks and financial institutions of the world. This is the telling statement for me: When you are on the path of God-realization, that path will not bring you suffering. And, if the path to God-realization brings suffering, it is not the path of God-realization; it is not a religion. MMY I understand the theory, but looking at meditators, in practice whew! JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 22, 2008, at 8:27 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: That seems like a really honest assessment to me. Yup, me too, spot on... Besides, regular meditators are passing away faster than new ones are starting anyway That's a depressing thought. I'd like to think people are simply finding more interesting things to do than actually checking out. Hope I'm not kidding myself. Sal It's certainly true in my area, and probably true elsewhere. It just points up 'the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations'. Is the spiritual ecosystem so fragile that it can't even stand a decreasing level of 'coherence'? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM T-Shirts, etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WELCOME! Global Peace Products exists to support the Global Country of World Peace, US Peace Governments, Peace Palaces, and centers that teach the Transcendental Meditation technique and other Vedic knowledge to create perfect health and permanent world peace. Revenue from sales will support the centers, its teachers and their many worthwhile activities. http://www.cafepress.com/globalpeace Revenue from sales will support the centers, its teachers and their many worthwhile activities. Ya, I bet it will . JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM T-Shirts, etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:34 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM T-Shirts, etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: WELCOME! Global Peace Products exists to support the Global Country of World Peace, US Peace Governments, Peace Palaces, and centers that teach the Transcendental Meditation technique and other Vedic knowledge to create perfect health and permanent world peace. Revenue from sales will support the centers, its teachers and their many worthwhile activities. http://www.cafepress.com/globalpeace Vintage Rick Archer What's that supposed to mean? It's not my site. Belongs to an old friend who is about as gung-ho TM as one can get. You got a problem with that? Hey Rick, I didn't mean to disparage your friend. If he distributes the funds directly they might be used to actually help teachers and local centers. I was being sarcastic about what will happen to the proceeds if they go through the TMO. In the past I have had meditators specify that there donations go directly to the local center. They knew what was up, intuitively. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 22, 2008, at 7:29 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What happened was this: After spending the previous 25 years relentlessly and selflessly promoting TM to the point at which he, Maharishi, the TM Movement, and the TM Technique had actually gained some semblance of credibility, he flushed it ALL down the toilet by introducing the flying technique to the world in the manner that he did. This was in late '76, early '77. When he realized that he goofed, what could he do other than cover his tracks? And this, Nabby, is what was behind the announcement that the world had enough meditators. As soon as he announced the flying, initiations started a dramatic decline. No one would touch us with a 10-foot pole. Indeed, although I have no hard statistics to back it up, I suggest to you that at least 20% of TM Teachers quit meditating during this time period becaus of their disillusionment with the TMO over the Flying. And by the end of the '70s when he made the announcement that Nabby referred to, it was an attempt to cover his tracks: Oh, we don't need any more initiations really meant no one is beating a path to our door any longer because the world thinks we're a bunch of idiots. ...and... It is time to introduce new knowledge such as Ayur Veda, Schtapatya Veda, etc. really meant Our financial resources are drying up because no one is being initiated anymore so we have to find new ways to milk money out of the true believers. ...and... it is best to put the price up to $2,5000 really meant Only die- hard numbskulls would be stupid enough to start TM so we might as well get as much out of them as possible. That seems like a really honest assessment to me. Yup, me too, spot on... Besides, regular meditators are passing away faster than new ones are starting anyway JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Sep 22, 2008, at 7:29 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What happened was this: After spending the previous 25 years relentlessly and selflessly promoting TM to the point at which he, Maharishi, the TM Movement, and the TM Technique had actually gained some semblance of credibility, he flushed it ALL down the toilet by introducing the flying technique to the world in the manner that he did. This was in late '76, early '77. When he realized that he goofed, what could he do other than cover his tracks? And this, Nabby, is what was behind the announcement that the world had enough meditators. As soon as he announced the flying, initiations started a dramatic decline. No one would touch us with a 10-foot pole. Indeed, although I have no hard statistics to back it up, I suggest to you that at least 20% of TM Teachers quit meditating during this time period becaus of their disillusionment with the TMO over the Flying. And by the end of the '70s when he made the announcement that Nabby referred to, it was an attempt to cover his tracks: Oh, we don't need any more initiations really meant no one is beating a path to our door any longer because the world thinks we're a bunch of idiots. ...and... It is time to introduce new knowledge such as Ayur Veda, Schtapatya Veda, etc. really meant Our financial resources are drying up because no one is being initiated anymore so we have to find new ways to milk money out of the true believers. ...and... it is best to put the price up to $2,5000 really meant Only die- hard numbskulls would be stupid enough to start TM so we might as well get as much out of them as possible. That seems like a really honest assessment to me. Yup, me too, spot on... Besides, regular meditators are passing away faster than new ones are starting anyway JohnY Interesting observation, JohnY. So what you're saying is that the TM population of the world isn't even zero population growth but is NEGATIVE population growth... Just like Russia...without the vodka. Hey, even Chopra has a center within 20 miles of my location, and they get great press from the local hospitals and the local PBS station. If the TMO wasn't just a fund raising and real estate organization, they would get good press too. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedaland for Sale
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Actually, Nab, if your reasoning is correct, I'd rather believe that Maharishi is a fraud. Because if he believed this, it indicates that he did not believe and or understand his own teaching. JohnY The Movement belongs to those that move You don't seem to have moved out of the 70's. What you are reffering to are old, old instructions. Are you trying to say that in these modern times, fraud is an efficient technique for spiritual growth? Must be some ancient secret vedic technique. Isn't truthfulness timeless or was it only in accord with the laws of nature in the 70's? My rationalizer just doesn't seem to go that far. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedaland for Sale
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Are you trying to say that in these modern times, fraud is an efficient technique for spiritual growth? It is if it's Vedic Fraud. Get a checking. Now you've done it! A Vedic Checking Account. The mind boggles. Does anyone know the $=Raam exchange rate? Don't put that idea in the air! JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedaland for Sale
It's too bad that the TMO isn't as successful at marketing TM as they are at selling land and real estate. Does anyone remember how the original $20,000,000 was raised? JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://snipurl.com/3o5nk One of Osceola County's grandest tourism visions remains an illusion. Need 450 acres near Disney? Get ready to fork over $150M Mark Pino | Sentinel Staff Writer September 8, 2008 One of Osceola County's grandest tourism visions remains an illusion. A 450-acre tract planned for a theme park mixing magic and Transcendental Meditation remains vacant in the tourism corridor. Almost two decades later, the two men behind the project are dead, and the land has a $150 million price tag.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedaland for Sale
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: It's too bad that the TMO isn't as successful at marketing TM as they are at selling land and real estate. Maharishi, for different reasons, didn't want TM to be successfull during the last 5 years or so. It's rather amazing that you haven't understood this point long ago. Nab, I understand that line of reasoning, I just don't think that it's true. There are many other possible motives that are far more likely, less elitist, and reflect far worse on the TMO. The idea that it has to be slow or it would be too painful, contradicts both the idea that ignorance is just illusion; and the spontaneous life supporting power of consciousness. Of course, if those principles are incorrect then all bets are off... JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedaland for Sale
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: It's too bad that the TMO isn't as successful at marketing TM as they are at selling land and real estate. Maharishi, for different reasons, didn't want TM to be successfull during the last 5 years or so. It's rather amazing that you haven't understood this point long ago. Nab, I understand that line of reasoning, I just don't think that it's true. There are many other possible motives that are far more likely, less elitist, and reflect far worse on the TMO. The idea that it has to be slow or it would be too painful, contradicts both the idea that ignorance is just illusion; and the spontaneous life supporting power of consciousness. Of course, if those principles are incorrect then all bets are off... JohnY Actually, Nab, if your reasoning is correct, I'd rather believe that Maharishi is a fraud. Because if he believed this, it indicates that he did not believe and or understand his own teaching. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Superlative University of Management
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2008, at 1:43 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/5gsrzx Hey, it's not JUST a sustainable living center, it's the WORLD'S most advanced sustainable living center. Don't these clowns see that when they use superlatives like this that they are destroying any little credibility that they have left? Unless, of cousre, it happens to be true... Lawson Well, then Lawson, if it's true then those who built it won't have to be the ones shouting that claim from the rooftops. They can have independent experts come in and do the shouting for them. TMO bring in independent experts? ROFLOL! Then they'd find out all the budgetary shortcuts they took! budgetary shortcuts - now there's a phrase :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Demons, schemons...the REAL Vedic reason why Gustav will hit Louisiana
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's Off The Program: http://all-lawyer-finder.com/lawyers-and-attorneys-in/Louisiana/Jefferson_County/Metairie/Arbitration_and_Mediation_Services/Transcendental_Meditation_Program/ or http://tinyurl.com/64vd62 I guess the entrance faces the wrong way :/ :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Mike Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Mike Scozzari Transcendental Stress Management Did he steal that technique from Maharishi ? You mean after Maharishi broke his agreement with him...? How can a supposedly natural universal technique be stolen? Does anyone know when re-recertification will begin? Me, I just want to fund raise and sell real estate ;) JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 4:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that... I think BillyG took his lead from an unabashedly patriotic Charlie Lutes who [I believe] was a Republican and who [I know] was somewhat of homophobe. He often referred to gays as being 'light in the loafers'. Two lesbians got up and left in tears from one of his lectures I attended after he made some derogatory comments about gay people. Or from MMY, who was supportive of Nixon during the Watergate years, and who told the Amherst SCI Symposium, in the presence of General Davis, that if your enemy has the bomb, you should get a bigger bomb. He seems to have wised up in his later years, with his condemnation of Bush. I can confirm that statement by MMY, as I have heard it from a friend of mine who also made that exact statement! That was back when MMY was speaking more like a Yogi. He made more sense to me in those days. MAD was an effective response to an impossible situation, for quite a while. Maharishi was certainly not worried about hurting peoples' feelings. He dissed about 10,000 teachers and the entire British empire with a great deal of gusto. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: love on vedio
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://qml.quiettouch.com/files/radio/chfi/scoop/2008/8/aug26/lionreunion.html Beautiful ;)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Teacher Training Course to start Oct 2008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The check is in the mail, Sal. ...but mountain doesn't move! --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Teacher Training Course to start Oct 2008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:22 PM On Aug 15, 2008, at 7:10 PM, gullible fool wrote: I'll go, but only if they can guarantee enlightenment this time. I'll guarantee it, gull--just send your check to me. Sal And don't worry, in a few years recertification will only cost $7250, crown not included. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Info for Governors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://invincibleamerica.org/governors/ Course fees for US: $2000 instruction in TM $500 for 'Word of Wisdom' $1500 for Advanced Techniques Doesn't seem like a serious return to teaching TM to me Lots of fuzzy stuff about the decision to lower the fees a little... Discussions with Maharishi in Dec 2007, council votes etc . Too Bad JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Info for Governors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://invincibleamerica.org/governors/ Course fees for US: $2000 instruction in TM $500 for 'Word of Wisdom' $1500 for Advanced Techniques Doesn't seem like a serious return to teaching TM to me Lots of fuzzy stuff about the decision to lower the fees a little... Discussions with Maharishi in Dec 2007, council votes etc . Too Bad JohnY Agreed, they should rise the prices not lowering them. Only if they want to continue to be a real estate and fund raising business If they want to teach TM to people who won't use their mantra as a name for their dog, the price needs to be lower. The TMO has consistently shown that they don't want anyone in the west to learn the TM technique. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: John, your list is incomplete...please update!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://invincibleamerica.org/governors/ Course fees for US: $2000 instruction in TM $500 for 'Word of Wisdom' $1500 for Advanced Techniques Doesn't seem like a serious return to teaching TM to me Lots of fuzzy stuff about the decision to lower the fees a little... Discussions with Maharishi in Dec 2007, council votes etc . Too Bad JohnY John, could you please update the above course fee list because it is incomplete. There are no fees listed for any members of the animal kingdom which, according to the Mother of all TBers, Nabby, are capable of and indeed are encouraged to learn TM. Could you please supplement the following list by putting the fee beside each species? Thanks: Chimpanzee. Dog (domesticated). Dog (wild, non-Australian) Dog (Dingo, Australian) Cat (domesticated) Cat (trained, e.g. Roy Horn type) Gnat Cochroach Giraffe... Aborted fetus (human)... Semen (human)... Hey Shemp, They're still discussing those fees (see above), but they are aguiring land for a pandit village for each species - complete with fence and pooper-scoopers (for the canine friends). Please send your donations quickly to avert all sorts of dangers They have stopped instructing cows, with global warming and all JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Verma back in the fold
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 23, 2008, at 11:26 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: snip For those who find belief in gods and goddesses untenable, there's no real need to cling to such stories. In terms of modern psychology and neuroscience it would be easier to say that certain sounds have certain effects on the brain, which have the potential, over time, to awaken certain propensities in the brain and then for those changes to be integrated into the human personality. That may be true. I find it hard to believe that earlier cultures were able to figure this out rather than just going with their religious meanings in choosing sounds. It seems like a difficult thing to test. It is completely knowable in those traditions, albeit not through conventional, scientific and materialistic means. But more simply, different devatas had different personalities and those are the qualities that naturally develop with mantra use. That's why I like Swami Rama's approach: it was practical and honest, without a need for magical thinking. I checked out his place in Honesdale Pa but never met him. I was very afraid of meeting guys like him when I was in TM. I thought they would put the wammy on me! I also thought that I was a special and desirable human that other masters would want to steal from Maharishi! Teachers had told me that other masters valued us and would be after us. More prison of specialness. Wow, if you're not making that up, that pretty scary Curtis! I've found quite the opposite to be true: TMers are viewed as naive at best. My approach was quite different: it was clear that the TMO wasn't being up front, forthcoming and (frankly), honest. So I went where I could find all the answers and then some. Sw. Rama's center was an important one--esp. since he was a student of Guru Dev's and he was able to actually replicate samadhi in his students. It was utterly refreshing to get the whole story and not some cosmic rug salesman's hypnotic spiel. That's not to say that Sw. Rama didn't have his dark side, he had a real creepazoid side as well. I went to Honesdale, with an audiotape of Guru Dev (before Paul translations) to see about the possibility of translation. Walked into the bookstore and asked if Swami Rama was there. As if on cue he walked in, in a maroon bathrobe (in the steam room?) and shook my hand. (This kicked up some kundalini in both my friend and I lots of heat and a red forehead). I told him that I was a teacher of TM and asked about the tape... we walked down the hall talking and he suggested leaving the tape with him. I said 'yes' but thought 'no' and he suggested another time That was the end of the conversation . A few years later all the stuff about the Swami and the wives of his closest students came out. I was impressed by his perceptiveness and the shaktipat. He spoke well of TM, as well. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: The war is over and Vasudevananda lost.. Curtis wrote: It works on so many levels. I don't know who is responding to my comments but they clearly have too much of a personal stake in this issue to see the facts clearly. First, it's important for Americans to understand that the Shankaracaryas in general have very little money or power. They are trucked out at religious fairs and on religious holidays to give a blessing or two and that's about it. These days the Shankaracarya of Puri is so poor he can barely keep his vidyapith open and all vidyapiths (the Sringeri pith is the exception that proves this rule) are in terrible disrepair. Read more: The cook did it! http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/shantanand3.htm As I pointed out several times, making the Shankaracharya lineage that MMY supported the custodian of all the land and buildings around the world that are being/have been built under the auspices of the Swami Brahamananda Trust makes MMY's choice for shankaracharya and his lineage the most wealthy and powerful in all of India. Quite a nice way to ensure that MMY's view of things will endure in a Math, regardless of the legal situation. And, money talks. Eventually, I would expect there to be a reconciliation of the succession in favor of MMY's view. Lawson As I pointed out several times, making the Shankaracharya lineage that MMY supported the custodian of all the land and buildings around the world that are being/have been built under the auspices of the Swami Brahamananda Trust makes MMY's choice for shankaracharya and his lineage the most wealthy and powerful in all of India. Lawson, Can you point me to any more detail on the above quote? Does that include the peace palaces and towers etc.? Any info on the board of directors for the SBS trust? Thanks, JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Generic flame (this means you)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is everyone an idiot but me? Seriously guys (all of you), there's so many stupidities in these various threads that I'm blowing my last post of the week to flame you all: Ruth: you know darned well that MMY's obsession about building TMO stuff in 3rd world countries was based on his belief that the Maharishi Effect was real so the gain from getting large groups practicing TM and Yogic Flying would more than offset any evil that would result from playing to the ego of some stupid dictator. Heaven on Earth for that country vs making some evil guy feel good. What a horrible sacrifice of principles (NOT). Curtis: spiritual traditions around the world talk of the Way that Cannot Be Spoken. Whatever you (or I for that matter) think we know about TM is wrong, period. There is, according to MMY's theory, no end to how subtle the mantra can become. If you have the ability to make a choice whether to think the mantra or not, the mantra can still refine, and whatever you're calling silence isn't' really, because there's still the ability to be aware of things, make decisions about mantra vs silence, and therefore, the mantra, however it is present, still has value as an attractive object of attention to draw you into even deeper silence. And the concept of unstressing doesn't mean that thoughts are good, only that they are an inevitable part of the rest/repair cycle that is TM practice. BTW, there's a theory of how TM works at the neurological level that goes way beyond anything that Vaj has cited. The fact that neither you nor he is able to understand it doesn't invalidate it (Doesn't mean that it is a valid theory, only that there is a way to fit the entire TM process of attention cycling inward and outward into mainstream science's knowledge about the neural circuitry of the brain and explain (predict) the inward/outward attention cycle). Curtis: ALL meditation techniques (or listening to music or reading a book) can lead to transcendental consciousness. I a sense, TC is merely the attention shift of the brain from one object of attention to the next, which is called alpha blocking in modern terms. The thing about enlightenment is that the alpha coherence in the frontal lobes has become so well established that awareness of Self doesn't go away even as objects of attention change. So the alpha blocking doesn't affect the overall sense of pure Self. Richard, while MMY DID say that anything as easy, effective and effortless as TM deserves the name of Transcendental Meditation, that doesn't mean that everything YOU think fits the bill does. Bhairitu: not all spiritual traditions talk about chakras. MMY prefers to talk about marmas instead, which is a much older tradition and more universal as well, since marmas and acupuncture points appear to have much similarities. And not all traditions talk about marmas either. Is that to say that none of the other traditions ever produced enlightened people people because they don't talk about the crown chakra or marmas? Vaj: the same criticisms about TM meditation research can be and HAVE BEEN made about research into all the other meditation traditions, including the mindfulness research you cite. The most recent Buddhist meditation studies aren't about therapeutic effects, so they weren't evaluated in those analyses, but they included researchers who practiced those and similar techniques, and by the criteria set up in the debunking meta- analyses, that means they are suspect. Hugo: your description of how practicing other techniques has changed your ability to effortlessly do TM certainly sounds llike a reasonable reason to steer clear of those other techniques if someone (like me, for instance) happens to believe that the TM practice makes more sense than any other. Shemp: while it is true there are cult-like aspects to the TMO, that is true of every organization I've ever observed. And the main difference between MMY's point about doing TM vs other things and the instruction to avoid other things if you do the TM sidhis is, well, number one, you are not allowed to LEARN the TM-SIdhis if you're practicing other meditation techniques in the first place, and 2) the TM-Sidhis allegedly is so powerful that what was possibly a benign or even beneficial technique prior to learning the TM-Sidhis, may well have become less- than benign since you've entered a hole new level of thinking by learning the TM-SIdhis and mental practices' effects may no longer be what they were. Additionally, for you to have committed to practicing ONLY TM and ONLY the TM-SIdhis and then to change your mind, indicates (in the TMO's collective mind and mine own for that matter) that you're going through a period of poor judgement possibly induced by unstressing/ normalization. Even if you don't
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Trial Balance?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Bevan, Howard Settle in recent days has committed to raising $1Billion for the BST (Brahmananda Saraswati Trust). The BST will support efforts in India to preserve Vedic culture by supporting Indian Vedic Pandits for perpetuity. IOW, Bevan still encourages the Western TMO supporters to send vast resources out of the West.. When will he get a clue ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:29 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Trial Balance? Howard Settle, who funds the Invincible America course, refused to funnel his money through the TMO. He reviews the books each month before making the next month's donation. The Dharma Foundation, which raises scholarships for MSAE students, does a similar thing. I wonder how much cognitive dissonance these guys experience. Along the lines of: I think and KNOW M's teaching will greatly purify the world and make goodness and truth the prevalent features of world consciousness -- and I want to use my time and money to make that happen. But M.s' organizations are so corrupt, I don't dare channel the money direcly through them. If M 40 technologies of the Unified Field have not yet purified the TMO, how will they purify the world? If M 40 technologies of the Unified Field have not yet purified the TMO, how will they purify the world? Bingo! Now, that's THE question. Isn't it? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Trial Balance?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Since maharishi, has anyone seen a trail-balance sheet and an income statement? I have heard they are out there. Some of the Rajas know. Would go a long way to re-setting an integrity to reveal just a simple truthful statement, on the net? www.TMfinancals.info. It is a management university, thought they don't offer ethics or liberal studies. Any numbers to look at that they give other than the tax numbers through morningstar now? Like, pro-active ethics on their part? Just wondering. What a wonderful suggestion. You know, the dictum it is not Maharishi's wish that the finances be made available in that way doesn't cut it any more. There is NO ONE in the Movement -- King Grand Poobah Tony the Tiger chief amongst them -- that commands that kind of respect. So there is no excuse that a reasonable, intelligent, and timely demand isn't adhered to. A balance sheet. One simple, single sheet of paper telling us the TOTAL value of the TMO. Audited. This has to been seen and it has to been seen as of yesterday. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in Iowa If the TMO is really a movement and not just a family business masquerading as a movement, then a balance sheet would be a logical action. So far it acts like a family business. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Trial Balance?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: [snip] Indeed. That's because, from all indications, it IS a family business. IMO it's only a matter of time before the Indian faction (Shrivatavas and Varmas) go at it with the Vlodrop heard of (mostly) westerners. I don't doubt that this is already starting to happen. And who will be the first Raja to crack? Now there's a book I would be first in line for! I think you hit the nail on the head, geezerfreak, and here's how I think it will all go down. Who, pray tell, is the Rajah for all of India? Is it Girish or any of the other Indian clan? No. It's Harris Kaplan, an incredibly successful businessman from Canada (via the U.S.) who knows how to read a financial statement. He's also a straight-shooter and an honest guy. Most importantly, as we all know, several years ago he gave $16 million of his own money to the TMO. Even MORE importantly, when Maharishi asked him where he wanted his $16 million to go to, he said: for yagyas. Now, I could be wrong here but money earmarked for yagyas probably goes to India because that's where yagyas are administered and performed. Indeed, if some of the posts on this forum are to be believed, ALOT of the money of the TMO went to India anyways in the last decade, whether earmarked for Indian activities or not. Rajah Harris, therefore, is emotionally and monetarily invested, shall we say, in said $16 million which, I assume, he worked hard for. Thus, I suspect that Royal Rajah Harris will start, innocently enough and with fully good intentions, poking around in India asking -- as did another non-related Kaplan several years prior -- where the hell his hard-earned money is. And he won't get answers he likes. And there will be a confrontation. And push will come to shove (and I think I speak for everyone here when I say that I really do hope that Kaplan gets out of India alive...and I'm not joking here). As a result of all this hullabaloo and scandal, Girish and clan will be forced to make the break (hey, anyone seen that photograph from a few years ago in which Girish is dressed up EXACTLY like Maharishi while he does a puja?). All the elements are in place. Are Girish and/or Anand(?) still on the boards of all the US Organizations? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Supreme Court Upholds Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Supreme Court Upholds Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms BELLEVUE, WA â With today's ruling on the case of District of Columbia v. Heller, America has begun its long march back toward liberty under a Second Amendment that means what it says, the Second Amendment Foundation said. Today's ruling by the Supreme Court should forever put to rest any contention that the right to keep and bear arms is not a fundamental, individual civil right, said SAF founder Alan M. Gottlieb. Bill, It's always amazed me that Maharishi always acted very right of center in his financial and social dealings, while people who lean very far to the left thought he was agreeing with them. It's very puzzling. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Supreme Court Upholds Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ w Bill, It's always amazed me that Maharishi always acted very right of center in his financial and social dealings, while people who lean very far to the left thought he was agreeing with them. It's very puzzling. JohnY Communism is the most intelligent political system. - Maharishi, Germany, March 1982 Not what he SAID, what he DID He'd say anything if he thought it would achieve his end. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
Curtis, What Nabby seem to forget is that Americans have paid. I would be willing to bet that 80% of everything that the TM Org has done or attempted to do, has been financed by Americans. I don't believe that Fidel, Mugabe, or Emelda have ever stepped up to the plate. So much real estate so little time JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I find your USA bashing distasteful Nabby. 1976 - two armed armericans caught on and before the Kulm - Sonnenberg bridge. Securiy beefed up after that with unlimited power to the WYMS as a result. Again americans causing havoc. Same year; the CIA blows up Maharishis two renovated DC 3's stationed in Germany. Again americans causing havoc here, there and everywhere. The US CIA spending time blowing up a plane of the guru of the Beatles? Come on Nabby. The CIA have done some real shitty things in this world but the idea that they would care enough to do this is not reasonable. Why blow up the plane. Maharishi could just fly first class? Again and again the americans tried to get to Him. He was in the US a lot when I was in the movement. If this was true it would have been so easy. You are buying into Maharishis own grandiose self-important paranoia. Maharishi loved to pump up his own importance by invoking the name of the CIA. So does the guy who lives behind my closest 7-11. But Maharishi simply did not show up, and the pilots got an anonyous call to leave the airstrip ASAP. It saved their lives. Invincibility in daily life :-) These days they complain that nature is cruel to them; floods and fires. Fairfield is protected as always. Yeah, unlike other parts of the world where nature never does stuff huh? You might want to crack a paper and read about China's earthquake, or the Tsunamis of the South Pacific. By your logic, where I live near DC is also blessed, I haven't had any natural disasters. Probably they will not learn unless they are taught some very serious lessons and beg for mercy. They are a stubborn and violent race. This reveals your own vindictive nature Nabby. You want America to pay and beg for mercy. First off we are not a race, we have been the most accepting country for immigrants for decades, unlike many countries who have restricted immigration. So you are talking about the human race if you want to characterize who America is. We are everybody from the whole world. Your violent fantasies of us as a homogeneous culture begging for mercy (from whom?) reveals your own small mindedness about the diversity of our beautiful country.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does the ME work in Texas but in Iowa, not so much?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whenever collective disaster threatens, people should meditate and practice Yogic Flying in groups to avert the disaster. -- September 1988, from a TM press release entitled TM Yogic Flyers Saved Texas http://tinyurl.com/6eehk5 Could it possibly be that in Texas Willytex's awesome darshan was added to the collective ME Woo Woo, and in Iowa...uh...not so much? Just sayin'... :-) I wonder what Dr. Mrs. Settle think JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some Fees Reducing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FW: Subject: Another TM course fee reduction for a special circumstance Date: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 10:11 PM In light of the recent course fee reductions, the Rajas have offered that anyone who paid $2500 to learn the TM technique can have the spouse learn for $1000 and children under 18 for $500 if they are instructed by July 31 of this year. Maharishi Sthapatya-Ved has also been reduced from 20% to 5% of the cost of consturction. Rocks are Melting? Doug, Do you know what those other 'recent course fee reductions' are? I've looked at tm.org but it still lists $2500 for persons 18 and over. thanks, JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: You can Initiate Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: The policy has just been reinstated that Governors, recertified or not, can instruct parents, children and siblings in the TM technique for free. Jai Guru Dev, How about spouses? Do they have to pay? And how about gay spouses...and I'm not joking here. I know a gay initiator up in Canada who wants to initiate his partner. Now, they aren't technically married -- which, as you know, they can do in Canada -- but since they've lived together for about 7 years, that makes them common law spouses... So what's the ruling on this? Don't tell anyone, but I charged my mother. Was good karma for her. I guess that means I can tell the my dozen or so family members that they can meditate again :) sheesh .can I breathe now or should I wait for a 'ruling'? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: What effect has Maharishi's passing had on Fairfield and the movement?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saavy ?By the end of MMY's life, the TMO was crack-cocaine-addicted to $1m Raja course fees, the pool of potential Rajas had dried, the existing were Rajas tapped out. Western real estate holdings - the real business of the TMO over the past two decades, were depreciating at a rapid rate MMY would still be alive today had a really wealthy person embraced the TMO - he lost his spirit after decades of catering to the miniscule pool of in-house TM elite. In the meantime, the decades spent laying the foundation for rational society's acceptance of meditation was wasted as millions avoided the TMO. The TMO is dedicated to transferring American assets overseas; one bent on selling every relative and spiritual thing possible, at inflated prices, to gullible Americans. The TMO expects America to fund the teaching of TM to rest of the world, while Americans are becoming less and less intelligent and less competitive with the world. The pattern mirrored America's 30 + year move toward devaluing middle and working- class people. In the meantime, suffering of the many was considered acceptable as the TMO embraced ego-obsessed wealthy elitists. But as MMY taught us, Natural Law eventually finds it way back to the lives of the many. Unfortunately, the TMO is ironically out-of-touch with the resurgence of Natural Law's move back toward the many. Saavy ? Hardly. Beautifully and succinctly stated - time will show it's accuracy too! JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 21, 2008, at 9:23 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Frank McLaughlin frank3373@ wrote: This post begs two questions: 1) was the TM org in better shape when Chopra was active in the early 90's? What is different now and then? 2) What is wrong with the current state of the TM org other than everything is too expensive (in the US), but that has been the case for a long time. -- Frank With all due respect, King Tony reacts to being told the horrible truth that Maharishi is (wait for it) mortal and can get sick like everyone else with a pathological level of denial, and the only two questions that this begs to you are about the state of the TM movement? With a ll due respect, you assume that Chopra is telling the truth about telling this to Nader in the first place? Personally, I'd be more concerned that the future of a 2.5 billion dollar organization and the welfare or all the people who believe in it has been entrusted to a crazy person. You think Chopra isn't a tad crazy too? I mean, according to HIM, MMY is the only person in his life he's ever met whom he is certain was fully enlightened OK King Tony... Maharishi's hiding the truth about his illness... King Tony's denial of that truth... Nabulosus's indifference to that truth goes a long way in explaining the irrelevance of the TMO on the world stage. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Frank McLaughlin frank3373@ wrote: This post begs two questions: 1) was the TM org in better shape when Chopra was active in the early 90's? What is different now and then? 2) What is wrong with the current state of the TM org other than everything is too expensive (in the US), but that has been the case for a long time. -- Frank With all due respect, King Tony reacts to being told the horrible truth that Maharishi is (wait for it) mortal and can get sick like everyone else with a pathological level of denial, and the only two questions that this begs to you are about the state of the TM movement? Personally, I'd be more concerned that the future of a 2.5 billion dollar organization and the welfare or all the people who believe in it has been entrusted to a crazy person. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm william108wm@ wrote: I spoke with Deepak Chopra this morning after a radio interview he did in DC. As we walked to his car, he spoke about his sadness about the current state of the TM org. I mentioned that I felt that his recent essays after Maharishi's passing were very valuable for people to hear and that it has stimulated alot of emails on this YahooGroup discussion board. He said that he just had to do it to clear the air about his relationship with the TM org over the years. He said that when Maharishi first came to Holland Deepak got Tony Nadar's attention and said Let's take a walk. During that walk he told Tony about all the details of Maharishi's near death illnesses and his time in England. Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock and said to him I don't believe a word of this. I asked Deepak if I may share his conversation with this group. He said Absolutely John Don't worry! I'll bet King Tony doesn't sign the checks :) JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's perspective [was Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom azgrey@ wrote: Did you go thru with the recertification process Rick? From what little I know it sounds insulting to ask people to do that who have initiated thousands. Was it done as akin to a loyalty test? like everything else Maharishi did, the recertification was to break people out of their consensual and complacent realities. He sure wasn't here to be anyone's buddy and pal. He didn't give a shit if you hated his guts, or were dismayed by his actions, or thought him unfair or unlawful or immoral or of a flawed character. He only wanted to do one thing and that was to rejuvenate enlightenment within the earth's populace, and if people didn't like the way he went about it, boo- fucking-hoo. no apologies, no problem. What bullshit Tough love spirituality? Right. JohnY downright offensive, huh? No, it's just new age psycho babble to justify sleezey unethical behavior. And I know that because after 10+ years of running what was left of a TM Center, pretty much out of my own pocket, I had to stop telling myself the same bullshit. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's perspective [was Re: making the rounds: another view of Deepak]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom azgrey@ wrote: Did you go thru with the recertification process Rick? From what little I know it sounds insulting to ask people to do that who have initiated thousands. Was it done as akin to a loyalty test? like everything else Maharishi did, the recertification was to break people out of their consensual and complacent realities. He sure wasn't here to be anyone's buddy and pal. He didn't give a shit if you hated his guts, or were dismayed by his actions, or thought him unfair or unlawful or immoral or of a flawed character. He only wanted to do one thing and that was to rejuvenate enlightenment within the earth's populace, and if people didn't like the way he went about it, boo- fucking-hoo. no apologies, no problem. What bullshit Tough love spirituality? Right. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, abutilon108 abutilon108@ wrote: I'm thankful to Deepak for sharing his personal experiences with Maharishi and the circumstances of his leaving the movement. Of course, it's a beautifully written piece, and seems quite straightforward and honest. Clearly Chopra is reflecting on the contradictory impressions he is left with of Maharishi, as are many of us. Although my journey in resolving those contradictory impressions does not lead me to the same conclusions that Deepak currently entertains, I appreciate that he is willing to openly share his experiences and thoughts given his fame. LOL. How do you think he got his fame? By keeping his mouth shut? He's embraced the standard media-manipulation technique found in countless books and he does it so well, you think that he's sharing for its own sake. Anyway, he has shared his story many times before about why he and MMY left. My favorite line: I was driving my car [after the JAMA incident] and it came to me: WHO NEEDS THIS? There are no doubt many aspects to the MMY-Chopra schism, and it is possible he's never lied about the core truth of any aspect, but don't think Chopra is just being a nice guy by sharing his words with us. He's a natural at publicity and MMY's death is a goldmine for a media darling to work for days (and he HAS). Lawson I had the opportunity to exchange a few sentences with Dr. Chopra not too long after he left the TMO. He essentially said the same thing. Iindicating that the JAMA lawsuit was the final straw. He had just given a talk at the Himalayan Institute, and there were just a few people around. I used to think that somehow he betrayed the TMO. Now I know better. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: The Maharishi Years - The Untold Story: Recollections of a Fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For historical comparison, see the archived interview with Deepak from 1996 by John Knapp. The URL was tough to track down: http://tinyurl.com/yqjrtl It's at least good to see that Deepak has kept this amazing story pretty consistent over eleven years. He must have been just itching to talk about this again, and probably regretted spilling any beans back then. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: HYPERLINK http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the_b_8\ 6412 .htmlhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-th\ e_b_ 86412.html I wish he had 'spilled the beans' after he decided to leave the TMO. It would have helped many people in the movement to know the truth about Maharishi's illness. (It seems to me that after Maharishi recovered, is when the movement rocketed farthest away from it's original vision.) I attended two 2-week courses in the early 90's at MIU that Chopra led - would have been nice to know this information then. Charlie did mention the heart attack and panceatitus, but never gave any details JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: a computer question - is it allowed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 1, 2008, at 1:51 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: claudiouk wrote: Instead of buying a new laptop is it possible to just buy a faster desktop PC base unit (without monitor or keyboard) and then access this unit from anywhere in the house from my old laptop (which then becomes the wireless keyboard and monitor for the unit)?? I've got XP Home on my laptop. I know there are programs (eg XP Professional has it) where you can control a computer remotely and see the desktop, but does that take advantage of the faster computer capacity or is the process limited by the speed of the controlling computer anyway, in which case my idea is pointless..? I know this is a non-TM question but I noticed there are real PC experts in FFL... I doubt if this would be that useful. You might want to see if there are demo or trial versions of those programs and see if it is useful for you. I think PC Anywhere is the program you might be thinking of. Remote Desktop on XP does some of that but I don't have any experience with nor need for it. In fact I only use Windows when I have to and use Linux most of the time especially for anything to do with the Internet. Remote Desktop or UltraVNC is quite a bit faster over a 54mbit wireless connection than PC Anywhere... At least in my experience. I have used all 3 for remote control for myself and clients. LogMeIn also works well, and seems to have some improvements over Remote Desktop, but I haven't used it as much. I use Bosco's Screen Share which is free and works on Mac's and PC's. It's pretty fast and real easy to configure, as even my Mom is able to use it. http://www.componentx.com/ScreenShare/ Thanks for the info. Hadn't heard of that one ... good for the OS X too... nice :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: a computer question - is it allowed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: claudiouk wrote: Instead of buying a new laptop is it possible to just buy a faster desktop PC base unit (without monitor or keyboard) and then access this unit from anywhere in the house from my old laptop (which then becomes the wireless keyboard and monitor for the unit)?? I've got XP Home on my laptop. I know there are programs (eg XP Professional has it) where you can control a computer remotely and see the desktop, but does that take advantage of the faster computer capacity or is the process limited by the speed of the controlling computer anyway, in which case my idea is pointless..? I know this is a non-TM question but I noticed there are real PC experts in FFL... I doubt if this would be that useful. You might want to see if there are demo or trial versions of those programs and see if it is useful for you. I think PC Anywhere is the program you might be thinking of. Remote Desktop on XP does some of that but I don't have any experience with nor need for it. In fact I only use Windows when I have to and use Linux most of the time especially for anything to do with the Internet. Remote Desktop or UltraVNC is quite a bit faster over a 54mbit wireless connection than PC Anywhere... At least in my experience. I have used all 3 for remote control for myself and clients. LogMeIn also works well, and seems to have some improvements over Remote Desktop, but I haven't used it as much. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andrew Sullivan on TM and MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mahareshi Mahesh Yogi Steps Down 30 Jan 2008 12:09 pm Or rather shifts imperceptibly in his seat, and giggles a little. Bliss is bliss. Retirement must feel even better. (And, yes, I've been trained in TM and recommend it.) He links to the Reuters article: http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-31636820080128 Feldman said the Maharishi's work would live on because he has trained tens of thousands of teachers over the years. Selective truth telling? JohnY Ben was on my TTC ...
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Important massage for all TM Teachers= puja everyday .....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Rajas seem to be saying: We don't know what to do without overbearing direction. I guess we can't go wrong if we do puja everyday..so, do puja daily for the next month; let's agree that doing puja is the most beneficial thing for world If these TMO leaders would get a clue and remember that performance of puja ideally takes place when a person learns TM, perhaps they would dedicate their actions to actually creating new meditators. Ask this of the Rajas--- How many new meditators have the 47 Rajas initiated in the past two decades? But, it's not about teaching TM anymore, is it ? It's all about self-aggrandizement through ostentatious displays of wealth. MMY will haunt the Rajas after he passes (he has already begun) , for ruining his TMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Subject: FW: IMPORTANT MASSAGE FOR ALL GOVERNORS Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:07:51 -0600 Dear Governors and Initiators, We are forwarding this email as requested. This is all we know for now. Jai Guru Dev, Cheryl Beckett, Dan Swanson, Gail Lynch, Reve Fraser, Rusty Fraser January 23, 2008 All Governors and Initiators have been asked to do Puja every day this month. Please let all your Governors and TM teachers in your area know. These are times of large potential change and we can help ourselves and all mankind through these offerings. We should be aware of change and be prepared for change. We as a body of Teachers of TM are always united through this common expression of gratitude. Jai Guru Dev, With All Best Wishes Raja Tom Stanley Does that mean the decertified (unrecertified ?) initiators, governors? The ones in improper vastu too ? The unUnited Teachers too? What is that number? About 50? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) Yes. But are you Invincible? Do you have no enemies (e.g., people who think you are an angry, egotistical, potty mouth?) Have you created a field where no such enemies could ever arise? Hey, um put up your dukes, um, anagitam. Punning in Sanskrit ;) JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: I'm going to assume this isn't a joke, if I'm wrong and you're just pulling our legs I apologise in advance and also doff my cap to your superior surreality. This is one of the most weirdly deluded things I've ever read. I can't imagine how depressing it must be to have to resort to rationalisations like this in an attempt to justify the failures of the TMO, failures that you obviously acknowledge. It's time to face facts Bob, you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. And that is the sorry truth. This has always beens Bob's hypothesis to explain the whacky-factor in MMY and the TMO. At first I had your reaction, but over the years I've become more and more open to this hypothesis. I mean, why not? It certainly resolves many questions and it lets you feel otay about the big Mahesh. It's a nice idea and I can see where Bob gets it from but I prefer Lurkers viewpoint, but OK lets pretend Bob is right. Now imagine a delegation of top business men, people like Bill Gates, Richard Branson etc, visit TM headquarters and offer to help spread the word. What does MMY say? I only employ idiots? No I didn't think so either. I think M takes what he can get, I'm certain he would rather have had Speilberg or Cameron than Lynch. Or Hawking rather than Hagelin but that's who was interested. Which is the main criterion for working near the top. I'm no at all certain that M would really want Speilberg or Cameron. It would almost certainly mean giving up total control. Look at all the twists and turns Lynch had to go through with his Foundation to have some control over the resources that he raised. A foundation to help raise an out-of-line TM fee - how silly is that JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know of M's views on keeping pets? I've heard him say that they are a drain. I always thought he meant of some kind of spiritual energy, but I'm beginning to believe he actually meant a drain of resources and time, being a distraction from program. I heard a story about a yogi that lived in a hut in the forest doing his program and he only had two possessions, a couple of loin cloths. One to wear , one to wash and dry for the next day. A rat used to disturb him in meditation by scratching the cloth hanging to dry so he got a cat to chase away the rat, then he needed a cow to have milk to feed the cat. Then he had to raise grain to feed the cow. Before long the yogi was tending a farm in order to not be distracted in meditation from the rat but there was no time for meditation because of all the duties of the farm. In short , the busy businessman story. The reason I'm asking this is, this story is being manifested on TMO property as we speak. A care taker has been ordered to build a fence to keep some calves who are supposed to be lawn mowers, so to speak. The care taker is going to end up rising at 4 or 5 in the morning to bottle feed the calves and tend to their needs during the day so he won't have to mow the grass (this was not his idea). I've tried to lobby against this venture without success as being *off the program* and also a liability to the TMO. Poor fencing means cattle escaping and wondering off, perhaps on to roads, causing accidents. The calves will be steers and serve no other purpose than to eat grass and be pets. Any comments are welcome. Fewer pets to care for and feed means more money available to donate for winter coats for the multi-million dollar pandits. Nothing esoteric about it! :) JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Millionaire Ayurveda shopkeepers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bob_brigante wrote: I haven't quite figured this out -- are they saying you have to sell $50K a month of AV products? If so, only a few big city placements will do this well, I think. this could work, if MAPI products became popular ... but only if there is a -very strong- and -constant- TV advertising campaign that actually *inspires* the average consumer. (like Apple iPod ads, for example.) The winning point of the program is that every participating shop will be provided about $50,000 worth of Maharishi Ayurveda products (retail cost) every month and in addition about $10,000 will be spent per shop in national and state-wide publicity, my guess is, this is by far not a big enough advertising budget for the kind of sucess they are dreaming of. Sounds like the 'Nigerian' branch of Millioaire Ayeurvedic shopkeeping to me Give us a million and we'll give back some of the interest, maybe JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just curious...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bling! --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ...would you buy this? http://www.presentec.de/fileadmin/img/twig_edel/twig_edel_1280x960.jpg No way! That thing is fugly! You don't think that those pandit ringtones will bring world peace, eh ? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis's disassociation from TM org- anything to do with Sidhis ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: When I knew Jerry at MIU he was very careful about what he said about his situation with the movement for good reason. He was under the gun politically with plenty of people invested in seeing him lose power. The same thing was true when he was National Leader of the TM movement in the United States. He was also a very soft-spoken guy who went out of his way to avoid conflict if he could. Anyone who suggests that he might be interested in coming to Fairfield Life to get involved in the petty squabbles that some thrive on and resolve them has either never met him or is a total fool or both. IMO Jerry would never voice a dissenting opinion about his movement experiences. I completely agree. It's just not in him to do that. Never has been, never will be. His voice has carried too much weight for movement people for too long for him to feel candid. Plus, he has no interest in the petty things that people argue over with regard to the TM movement and its ongoing soap opera. Plus he is very aware of how his words will get back to MMY through the agenda filters of his minions. And would here on Fairfield Life, within a week. I believe he a sincere believer in the aims of yoga and I don't think there is anything MMY could do to him to dissuade his devotion. I agree. His devotion was almost pathological. Jerry suffered indignities that would have had a lesser man throwing in the towel, and suffered them for *decades*, never saying a word about any of them. People in the movement have affection for Jerry for good reason IMO. Thanks for getting that what I said about not bugging the guy was a reflection of that affection, Curtis. Not only was he *my* TM teacher, I worked with him for many years and have a deep and abiding respect for him. He is one of the few people in the TM movement to whom I could comfortably point as a role model for people on a spiritual path. He was a voice of reason and humor and a buffer for us between the sometimes inexplicable ways of MMY and our own lives. *Especially* the humor part. In the bleakest of times Jerry could still tell a joke that would crack up everyone in the room and relieve all the tension and help us keep on keepin' on. I sense that what went down between MMY and Jerry was not the best reflection of MMY's loyalty or fairness... Here I disagree with you. I sense that whatever went down between Maharishi and Jerry was in fact a *perfect* reflection of MMY's loyalty and fairness. That is, he has none. Never has, never will. Just as gossiping and getting involved in petty arguments is not part of Jerry's nature, loyalty and a sense of fairness towards and grat- itude to his long-time supporters is just not a part of Maharishi's nature. In my opinion, of course. The story that I heard about Jerry's departure that sounds plausible to me: Jerry withheld $2 - 4 million from International to keep the US movement/centers/teachers running... Maharishi didn't like it JohnY PS. I liked both Charlie and Jerry and brought Charliie here for lectures. My understanding of the disagreement between them was that it was about the angle that TM was taught from: SRM vs SIMS and business structure vs volunteer. Both had there points Also Charlie was called as a hostile witness in the NJ court case, had to pay his own legal fees Certainly doesn't matter at this point.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis's disassociation from TM org- anything to do with Sidhis ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Brigante has this quote somewhere were Maharishi says that after this date... no more TM initiations are necessary - not one ! You are just holdning on to old instructions. The Movement belongs to those who move. We can see how well that went JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Resumes TM Teaching in Great Britain'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, goody! This means -- what? -- another 30 to 40 initiations a year! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: STATEMENT FOR THE PRESS Maharishi Mahesh Yogi reopens his Transcendental Meditation Centres throughout the UK `My leaders will resume their national services immediately and raise Great Britain to the height of great Invincibility.' ** a large merciful snip of an awful lot of arrogant verbage** I guess that means that I can buy Maharishi Honey in Great Britian now ? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Night Technique - the priority for everyone
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: THE 'NIGHT TECHNIQUE' - A SPECIAL ADVANCED TECHNIQUE OF TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION® STILL AVAILABLE We just wanted to remind you all of the policy regarding the Advanced Techniques of Transcendental Meditation. Effective since February, the waiting period between Advanced Techniques is now ONLY 2 MONTHS instead of 6 months. Cool. Now, at $2500 a pop, every meditator can spend up to $15,000 a year, without even having to attend any of those bothersome residence courses. That's progress for you. :-) I got an email (late of course) that the June 15-17 residence course at the Bethesda/DC facility was cancelled and rescheduled for the fall. All the $3K advanced techniques where pitched there too, but I quess there wasn't much interest. Reincarnating forgotten techniques, lowering the time between techniques to 2 months... money must be Tough to get the people that you have thrown under the bus interested, I guess JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: SEXY ROMPS OF THE BEATLES' GIGGLING GURU
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SEXY ROMPS OF THE BEATLES' GIGGLING GURU On Jun 18, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Duveyoung wrote: When I taught one of the first SCI courses using those huge cassettes, they recalled the physics and biology tapes -- if I remember them correctly, they were really goofyassed and would turn off any scientist in about two sentences. I kept the tapes Never sent them back. One of my first rebellions against the TMO. I wonder if they're still playable...in a storage unit in CA right now. Put 'em on YouTube! He would need an old player to play them. Those weren't standard VCR cassettes. I have the tapes and an old player, but I doubt if the player would work after sitting all this time. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip So you are insinuating that Maharishi is an unethical crook? Was Mark the possibly French dude the actual one to write the check to the craftsman, or was he just an anti-social seeker? Jim, I'm just relating a story to the best of my recollection. We were all gathered around to hear the latest news and inspirational stories this Purusha guy had. This is the part I remember. I am sorry to say that on balance, his talk was not that inspiring. You may draw any conclusions you wish. During this time I practiced program at the center every afternoon without fail. lurk My take is that the craftsman was a greedy little crook who needed some correction. Maharishi would never do such a thing, if it is a true story, without a very good reason. What happened to 'never use someones ignorance against them' ? Many unethical things have been justified with this kind of reasoning. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: new plan: NY Times ad invites Investors for 200 Hospitals!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: this is just astonishing ... from NY Times ad: Investors are Invited to Consider our program of $2.6 Billion to build 200 unique Hospitals and $0.65 Billion to build 210 Invincible Schools in 37 countries with highest income per capita. Proposed Financing terms: 15 year loan with 10% Interest. source: http://www.globalfinancialcapitalny.org/ad/ Pretty amazing just the scope of the project. Some idealistic billionaire ought to take them up on it. And its a decent rate of return, so why not? The TMO would have to come through without playing shell games with the money, or else the billionaire would put contracts out on them, or have an army of lawyers after the TMO for decades to come. This call for funding these projects has been going on for a few years now, and its hard to believe no one has invested a cent. Generally speaking billionaires aren't complete idiots businesswise (or at least their advisors aren't) which is why no-one will ever take them up on these ludicrous ideas. ten percent is pretty good for a bond return. Do you actually think that they would ever see ANY return on the investment? One glance at their record tells the tale. I'm surprised they are able to do any land deals at all. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi's family and Girish in particular simply don't understand the dynamics of the appeal of gurus and Eastern spirituality to the West and, as such, they have and will continue to make major irreversible mistakes which will blow up in their faces once MMY dies. And once the dust settles, the revenue for the family business -- cash from the West -- will simply stop. It may not matter by then. Drop TM, sell properties, get deeper into the money business. Just like Sears And if they really own as much land in India as has been reported, do it all again there later. Girish, sensing MMY's advancing age and impending passing, dresses himself up like MMY and surrounds himself with all the MMY trappings (e.g., the MMY-like dhoti, the Guru Dev picture behind him, the beard, etc.) and thinks that this is what appeals to the West. Unfortunately for him, people in the West see right through it and, if anything, such phony attempts at show turn people right off. It reminds me of the missteps the family of the 13-year-old Guru Maharaj Ji make back in the '70s. The boy, who was billed as the reincarnation of God, was, out of the blue, disowned by his own mother who, it was then announced, appointed another son as the reincarnation of God. Obviously, some sort of power struggle was going on behind the scenes. Well, changing which son is God and which isn't in mid-stream may work in India but in the West the idea was too much for even the most embedded cultist-sucker. And their movement ended faster than you could say Rolls Royce Silver Shadow. Girish and family just don't get it. His posturings appear to me as obvious and blatant attempts at positioning himself as the guru apparent. They are clueless at what appeals to the West and their missteps will blow up in their faces. Their alleged treatment of the pundits is another example. Of course, once it does blow up, their Golden Parachute is the many millions that they've already bilked from the West that is sitting in the control in India. Are there yagyas for TB? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: snip ps - don't know if it's still on the web, but a few years ago I did a search on Girish and among the sites that come up was an online business he had in india called Maharishi Autos, or something very similar, that sold used cars over the net. To me he looks more natural as a used car salesman than a guru! I saw that site too. It wasn't really a used-car dealership. He was trying to set up a portal, with business directories and various collections of information (one was on Indian women, bios of distinguished women, essays on women in Indian culture and society, etc.) Anyway, one of the sub-sites was designed for people to put their own cars up for sale, as I recall; I assume there was some kind of fee to do so. It looked to me as if the portal site had had big plans but never really got off the ground and had been more or less abandoned. A lot of the links were inoperative. There is also Maha-Mail, vertical software for schools with emphasis on Maharishi schools, and many other maharishi IT services etc. All of it is mixed together with Maharishi (trademark, servicemark, common law servicemark stuff) programs in a way that is not seen in the west. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy Creepy? Very. Cross him at your peril. The core of the movement mafia. Something funny - you used to see Dr. Girish Varma listed as an officer on almost all of the tmo's official filings (along with the other nephew and the usual names like Bevan etc), but recently his name has been dropped from many of them, though there's now a Dr. Girish Momaya listed. Same guy? Why the name change? Looks like Dr. Girish Govindji Momaya http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Girish+Govindji+Momaya%22btnG=Search\ hl=ensafe=off Dr Girish Govindji Momaya, Member of the Board of Directors since October 2004, is a citizen of India, age 51. He received his Bachelor of Engineering (Chemical) degree at the M.S. University in Baroda, India in 1977 and completed his studies in the Science of Creative Intelligence at Maharishi European Research University in Seelisberg, Switzerland obtaining a Ph.D. degree in 1983. The career of Dr Momaya spans many years of international experience in business administration and teaching. Dr Momaya has been an Associate Professor at Maharishi European Research University, Switzerland from 1982 until 1986. From 1989 to date Dr Momaya has been a Director of the Maharishi Ayurveda Corporation Ltd. in New Delhi where he has been responsible for production, quality control, formulations and international marketing of herbal health products. Dr Momaya has been a Director of Maharishi Heaven on Earth Development Corporation in New Delhi from 1989 until 1991 where he was responsible for international development projects especially in the poorer countries aiming at poverty removal in various areas. From 1997 to date Dr Momaya has been a Director of the Maharishi Technology Corporation in The Netherlands where he has been dealing with production and distribution of herbal health food products and with technology and production of alternate sources of energy. From 1997 to date Dr Momaya has been a Director of the Maharishi Foundation International in the Netherlands, which is an international foundation in the areas of education and health. Dr Momaya has been a resident of the Netherlands since 1990. It looks like a different guy on first glance. Does anyone know for sure? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. This is potentially a time bomb...and the key word here is indentured. Because indentured servitude is close to if not on a par with slavery, which is illegal in most parts of the world (in the U.S., anyway). there are specific laws that seem to prohibit the kind of activity described above by Rick Archer and, if true, it is a veritable scandal in the making. I can see the headline now: indentured slavery alive and well in the cornfields of Iowa... ...or... The Maharishi enslaves Indian serfs; confines them like cattle. not only is this a potential scandal with bad publicity; it is also, IMO a great sin. are not these pandit boys all of the highest brahmin cast, and doing gods work (ie, nature support)? they if anyone deserve respectful treatment, let alone freedom from outright abuse. if these rumors are true, shame on those responsible! the idealist in me is shocked! i hope these kind of stories turn out to be just ill founded rumors, or misunderstandings. What makes anyone think that the pandits would receive any more 'respectful treatment' than anyone else who has 'worked' for the movement? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: report on new sidhas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Original Message -- Received: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:24:47 AM PDT From: Development Office development @ mum.edu Subject: Good News!- Hundreds of New Yogic Flyers Good News - Maharishi University of Management April 27, 2007 Graduates of CIC 60 Home http://mum.edu/welcome.html Donations http://mum.edu/donations/welcome.shtml Development Office Maharishi University of Management Fairfield, IA 52557 641-472-1180 Email Us mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Good News! Archive http://mum.edu/goodnews/welcome.html 72 University Students Become Yogic Flyers during the Past Nine Months During the past nine months of the current fiscal year, 72 University students have become Yogic Flyers. The first thing mentioned is the donations link and time is measured by the *fiscal* year humpt! JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: report on new sidhas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first thing mentioned is the donations link thats an accident, tho. if you see the original post on the FFL website (with the pictures), there the donation link, and all links, are seen on the side, unobtrusively. but if your email reader doesnt do HTML, then alas: it put the links first, making them seem more important than intended! [or was that unintended accident really Nature Support for MUM financing? LOL] look again: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/138155 and time is measured by the *fiscal* year humpt! JohnY OTOH, that business about the fiscal year bothered me too! so your humph is still good ;-) I noticed that link on the side on a second look on the web but the *fiscal* year ref might be a hint for the newest advanced technique: Time is money :) JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Save the Dome, send $
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FW: The roof of the Men's Golden Dome is leaking and needs to be fixed right away, and we need your help to do it. Whether you enjoy group program in the Men's Dome every day or as a visitor from out of town, we invite you to make a meaningful contribution. The Dome is at the heart and soul of our community, so please send your donation or pledge now so we can make the deposit required to make a repair appointment later this summer. I'm sending every RAAM I have. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's World Plan, revisited
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Maharishi's World Plan revisited Remember the old analogy Imagine a thousand people, ...to loose that volley of light, unleashed steadily upon the earth, changing the age, silence supporting activity, transforming life for all of us here on earth. Really, what do you think he (Maharishi) could do in the end to help? Just wondering what you think about how it has really gone for Maharishi, now. What Maharishi has done is a full fledge success. I do not get your point, if you have one. That the americans do not turn up for flying is hardly Maharishis fault but rather the effect of their own sad karma. My take is the the effect of all the wars the americans have fought since WWII now is descending upon them. Just to cleanse them from the effect of the Vietnam war will take many generations. And then ofcourse there are wars after that continuing to this day... Can you call it a success when tm'ers are leaving this world faster than new one's are starting? When, except for professionally placed PR, the tm program been all but forgotten by the public? Are more wealthy people really practicing TM? Do 'peace palaces' really promote peace? Does more real estate ownership bring more 'coherence' to this world? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's World Plan, revisited
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Maharishi's World Plan revisited Remember the old analogy Imagine a thousand people, ...to loose that volley of light, unleashed steadily upon the earth, changing the age, silence supporting activity, transforming life for all of us here on earth. Really, what do you think he (Maharishi) could do in the end to help? Just wondering what you think about how it has really gone for Maharishi, now. What Maharishi has done is a full fledge success. I do not get your point, if you have one. That the americans do not turn up for flying is hardly Maharishis fault but rather the effect of their own sad karma. My take is the the effect of all the wars the americans have fought since WWII now is descending upon them. Just to cleanse them from the effect of the Vietnam war will take many generations. And then ofcourse there are wars after that continuing to this day... Can you call it a success when tm'ers are leaving this world faster than new one's are starting? When, except for professionally placed PR, the tm program been all but forgotten by the public? Are more wealthy people really practicing TM? Do 'peace palaces' really promote peace? Does more real estate ownership bring more 'coherence' to this world? JohnY Doubts are poison for the nervoussystem - Maharishi Sat - What is. - the Self
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asheville, North Carolina to become lighthouse of peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asheville, North Carolina to become lighthouse of peace by Global Good News staff writer http://globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=11741677812084720 http://globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=11741677812084720 Global Good News -- 18 March 2007 (click internal links for further information) The leader of the Global Country of World Peace for North and South Carolina, Raja Pat Barrett, is making rapid progress to ensure that his domain becomes a lighthouse of coherence through Maharishi's Six-Point Programme http://www.globalfinancialcapitalny.org/ to create a healthy, happy society and a peaceful world. Raja Pat Barrett has been working with local teachers of the Transcendental Meditation programme to find land in his domain on which to build new facilities applying the principles of Vastu, as laid out in Maharishi Sthapatya Veda http://www.vedicarchitecture.org/new/introduction.html , for optimal health, wealth and well-being for the inhabitants. Ideal land has been located in the City of Asheville in North Carolina. Asheville is a picturesque mountain town that has long been regarded as a rich cultural centre for the southern United States. The seven acres located in the heart of Asheville will make a beautiful setting for the programmes of Maharishi's Vedic Science. Two Maharishi Schools of the Age of Enlightenment for 120 students each are planned, as well as a Maharishi Peace Palace http://www.maharishipeacepalace.org/ , and a Maharishi Spa, offering treatments in preventive, holistic health care. The property is adjacent to a major interstate highway that is a main route through North Carolina and the nearby states of South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee. A two-directional billboard will be erected along this highway which will be viewed by many people every day. The billboard will provide the contact information for Transcendental Meditation and feature the heading, 'A Clear Mind Can See Far'. Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service I suspect that mind will see at least clear enough for a 5 or 6 year resale and 300% + profit. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev (Maharishi's guru) speaks on 'siddhis'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:01 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [...] You're just saying it's as corrupt as I've been saying, only going around and around in circles to do that. Viewed from any angle you want to--except, perhaps, your own--MMY, his family, the TMO, or whomever you want to list, has been taking $$ for years and appropriating it rather than using it for its intended purposes. Whether you say the TMO, MMY, or his family has the $$ matters little. Very nicely said, Sal. Most of give up before this! ;-) Heh. So how did they manage to purchage land and build on it, either in India, or elsewhere, if the money has constantly been misappropriated? Mishanded or squandered is NOT the same as misappropriated. Good point. Certainly the TMO has a huge infrastructure that could reasonably absorb a huge chunk of the money it took in. But the problem is: WE DONT KNOW. There was no real transparency. I personally find that offensive in any group that claims to be spiritual and hides their books from the donors (let's not even mention the government). This simply highlights the fact that the TMO is essentially a Vedic dictatorship. I wonder if your Dalai Lama openly admits to the CIA money he has received. I reported a couple of links on this awhile back. I don't think secrecy is the exclusive province of Vedic organizations. Money freely donated by individuals is not in the same catagory as money given by the CIA. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bank Robbery
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh my! I know a ru who hijacked an airplane back in the 70's and parachuted out of it with a suitcase filled with cash. He was arrested right after he landed. It's not the same guy, is it? He was just trying to pay for his next advanced technique, and a couple of yagyas :) --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to a friend who knows the alleged robber, he committed a similar stunt in Ohio in the 70's and did 10 years then. He is a Ru and maybe he was looking for a retirement home. He will get lots of time to do his program now. Tom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] \ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moments in the movement: ATR credit vs. splitting 50/50 the TM initiation fe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice analysis. I got an email from Peter McWilliams a year or two before he died, saying that he had discussed the issue of sustainability with MMY in the mid-70's, pointing out that the growth that the TM organization was undergoing was simply NOT sustainable and that something needed to be done. Peter thught, IIRC, that the abrupt change in the way the TMO was run was MMY's response to that issue. Well, that worked really well :((You don't still have a copy of that email, do you?) I did manage to get my ATR credit returned because of another deal for a small discount for the siddhi's in return for initiating a certain number of people. But in the process of encouraging national to live up to there contractual deal, I mentioned the word 'lawyer' in a letter Well I did get a check for what they owed me (about $1100 or so), but, spitefully I was banned from courses for 9 years. Although they did take everone that I recommended for TTC and siddhi's courses, etc. When they wanted my money more than anything else, in 1992, they changed their mind...by then so did I JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: [...] -Doug remembering: ATR courses were underway in a fashion since the early 1970's or before. TM teachers getting together with Maharishi annually or bi-annual. Yes there was an ebb and flow of the experienced effective field teaching staff going over for those courses. They tended to be six week courses, some years twice a year if people could make it as you paid to go or earned the credit from working at initiating new meditators. ATR courses were going before the extreme high demand of initiations of new meditators of the early middle 70's. Active Centers managed then with staffing it by letting in more of the newly trained in- experienced teachers to handle the load in the absence of the full- time teachers when they were gone on courses at that time. Definitely a growing quality control problem before the sidhis came along in the mid-70's. If only because of over-whelm by the shear volume of the sucess at a time then. A lot of good word of mouth and bounce then going on with people starting TM. If your interest in all of this was in those ATR credits that teachers had built up by their work, that was just a book-entry credit arrangement that was scooped away abruptly from those teachers at a time. Some few teachers who had dominated some teaching markets carving out monopolies for themselves had quite large ATR credit accounts. For most it was credit for modest work. When Maharishi made the move on those accounts it was unfair or puzzling to many at the time. Also a warning shot at the time that Maharishi played hardball finance for those who heard it. A real change came as the whole field teaching program was then abruptly dismantled by Maharishi in the spring of 77. The experienced teaching staffing of the whole movement was turned out for returning ad hoc 'vedic adam' teams to take over and run centers. The whole residence course program for meditators was also dropped. Residence courses in the US had thousands of people most every weeked across America before then. It was a lot like a chinese cultural revolution or the period of stalinism. Havoc quality control problems for the new meditators coming through the TMorg then from the late 70's. The smoother spinning fly-wheel of the earlier integrated teaching program faltered stopped producing the numbers of meditators with good experiences and understanding. then the TMorg switched over by '77 to the sidhis with the new standard then for success being the numbers of people practicing sidhis together. Meditators and TM itself were pretty much dropped administratively and never much supported after that. Then came the franchising of M. vedic knowledge to exploit other profit centers for cashflow in the vacum of what was by then the old teaching organization. The rest is history and here it is as now. -D A 50 / 50 split of TM instruction fees, 50% to the teacher and 50% to the TM national office, was the standard means of compensating teachers in the 70s, was it not? Was a 50/50 split the reality for any significant period of time? What role did ATR courses serve as the means of compensation to individual teachers ? When did ATR course credit begin to substitute for the 50 / 50 split of TM initiation fee? Looking back to time of the introduction of ATR courses1975? Is that when the ATR courses began? Was there a lull in initiations that decreased both cash flow and likewise demand for field teachers, prior to the intro of ATR courses? Or, might the ATR courses have been created even during a time of high demand
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interrogator's Nightmare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From The Washington Post this morning: An Iraq Interrogator's Nightmare By Eric Fair Friday, February 9, 2007; A19 A man with no face stares at me from the corner of a room. He pleads for help, but I'm afraid to move. He begins to cry. It is a pitiful sound, and it sickens me. He screams, but as I awaken, I realize the screams are mine. That dream, along with a host of other nightmares, has plagued me since my return from Iraq in the summer of 2004. Though the man in this particular nightmare has no face, I know who he is. I assisted in his interrogation at a detention facility in Fallujah. I was one of two civilian interrogators assigned to the division interrogation facility (DIF) of the 82nd Airborne Division. The man, whose name I've long since forgotten, was a suspected associate of Khamis Sirhan al-Muhammad, the Baath Party leader in Anbar province who had been captured two months earlier. The lead interrogator at the DIF had given me specific instructions: I was to deprive the detainee of sleep during my 12-hour shift by opening his cell every hour, forcing him to stand in a corner and stripping him of his clothes. Three years later the tables have turned. It is rare that I sleep through the night without a visit from this man. His memory harasses me as I once harassed him. Despite my best efforts, I cannot ignore the mistakes I made at the interrogation facility in Fallujah. I failed to disobey a meritless order, I failed to protect a prisoner in my custody, and I failed to uphold the standards of human decency. Instead, I intimidated, degraded and humiliated a man who could not defend himself. I compromised my values. I will never forgive myself. American authorities continue to insist that the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib was an isolated incident in an otherwise well- run detention system. That insistence, however, stands in sharp contrast to my own experiences as an interrogator in Iraq. I watched as detainees were forced to stand naked all night, shivering in their cold cells and pleading with their captors for help. Others were subjected to long periods of isolation in pitch-black rooms. Food and sleep deprivation were common, along with a variety of physical abuse, including punching and kicking. Aggressive, and in many ways abusive, techniques were used daily in Iraq, all in the name of acquiring the intelligence necessary to bring an end to the insurgency. The violence raging there today is evidence that those tactics never worked. My memories are evidence that those tactics were terribly wrong. While I was appalled by the conduct of my friends and colleagues, I lacked the courage to challenge the status quo. That was a failure of character and in many ways made me complicit in what went on. I'm ashamed of that failure, but as time passes, and as the memories of what I saw in Iraq continue to infect my every thought, I'm becoming more ashamed of my silence. Some may suggest there is no reason to revive the story of abuse in Iraq. Rehashing such mistakes will only harm our country, they will say. But history suggests we should examine such missteps carefully. Oppressive prison environments have created some of the most determined opponents. The British learned that lesson from Napoleon, the French from Ho Chi Minh, Europe from Hitler. The world is learning that lesson again from Ayman al-Zawahiri. What will be the legacy of abusive prisons in Iraq? We have failed to properly address the abuse of Iraqi detainees. Men like me have refused to tell our stories, and our leaders have refused to own up to the myriad mistakes that have been made. But if we fail to address this problem, there can be no hope of success in Iraq. Regardless of how many young Americans we send to war, or how many militia members we kill, or how many Iraqis we train, or how much money we spend on reconstruction, we will not escape the damage we have done to the people of Iraq in our prisons. I am desperate to get on with my life and erase my memories of my experiences in Iraq. But those memories and experiences do not belong to me. They belong to history. If we're doomed to repeat the history we forget, what will be the consequences of the history we never knew? The citizens and the leadership of this country have an obligation to revisit what took place in the interrogation booths of Iraq, unpleasant as it may be. The story of Abu Ghraib isn't over. In many ways, we have yet to open the book. The writer served in the Army from 1995 to 2000 as an Arabic linguist and worked in Iraq as a contract interrogator in early 2004. His e- mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tinyurl.com/yvl865 I wonder if the people who bomb market places feel any of the same regret? Do they feel regret before the 2nd bomb explodes to kill the rescuers or after?
