Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, sharelong60@... wrote:
Richard, you are just a really nice guy! Anyway, I hope you're noticing that
Bob is often putting little comments along with his links now as you requested.
I admit I'm still not opening those links because I still don't get his sense
of humor. But I'm sure it's good. Bob's your uncle!
*Bob's your uncle* is a phrase my British SO of 15 years taught me. It means
something like: and there you have it or that's that! In Iowa City there's a
local pizza chain called Bob's Your Uncle. Cute!
Like if your were teaching someone how to create a macro, at the very end
instead of saying *and there you have it* you'd say: Bob's your uncle!
I hope I got that right (-:
On Friday, December 27, 2013 10:48 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@...
wrote:
It looks like Judy really took me seriously. LoL!
Seriously, folks, I should have just kept my pile hole shut about Robin since
he's no longer here, but I couldn't resist. My apologies to Robin who is not
here to defend himself. But, Ann and Judy aren't doing a very good job of
taking up for Robin. So, in his defense, I'd like to say that it was
interesting reading all his posted messages. Compared to the usual Judy
macros and one-liners posted here y Ann, Robin seemed to have something he
wanted to communicate to us. Some people do feel better when they have someone
to talk to. So, Robin if you're reading this, it's nothing personal. Thanks for
taking the time to post here. Seriously.
On 12/27/2013 9:29 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken
seriously.
Ann seems to be quite gullible when it comes to coming under the spell of
manipulators like Robin and Judy. Apparently she takes Robin very seriously -
maybe Ann is still under some kind of trance-induction state. Most people get
over such mind manipulation in a few months - for others it takes years. Ann
seems to have come to this forum because Robin was posting here, but he's gone
now, so it looks like Ann's new mind control leader is Judy. From what I've
read here, it looks like Ann and Judy both came under Robin's spell - he
manipulated them like a master. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, sharelong60@... wrote:
Richard, you are just a really nice guy! Anyway, I hope you're noticing that
Bob is often putting little comments along with his links now as you requested.
I admit I'm still not opening those links because I still don't get his sense
of humor. But I'm sure it's good. Bob's your uncle!
*Bob's your uncle* is a phrase my British SO of 15 years taught me. It means
something like: and there you have it or that's that! In Iowa City there's a
local pizza chain called Bob's Your Uncle. Cute!
Like if your were teaching someone how to create a macro, at the very end
instead of saying *and there you have it* you'd say: Bob's your uncle!
I hope I got that right (-:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHkoQig6vSY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHkoQig6vSY
On Friday, December 27, 2013 10:48 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@...
wrote:
It looks like Judy really took me seriously. LoL!
Seriously, folks, I should have just kept my pile hole shut about Robin since
he's no longer here, but I couldn't resist. My apologies to Robin who is not
here to defend himself. But, Ann and Judy aren't doing a very good job of
taking up for Robin. So, in his defense, I'd like to say that it was
interesting reading all his posted messages. Compared to the usual Judy
macros and one-liners posted here y Ann, Robin seemed to have something he
wanted to communicate to us. Some people do feel better when they have someone
to talk to. So, Robin if you're reading this, it's nothing personal. Thanks for
taking the time to post here. Seriously.
On 12/27/2013 9:29 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken
seriously.
Ann seems to be quite gullible when it comes to coming under the spell of
manipulators like Robin and Judy. Apparently she takes Robin very seriously -
maybe Ann is still under some kind of trance-induction state. Most people get
over such mind manipulation in a few months - for others it takes years. Ann
seems to have come to this forum because Robin was posting here, but he's gone
now, so it looks like Ann's new mind control leader is Judy. From what I've
read here, it looks like Ann and Judy both came under Robin's spell - he
manipulated them like a master. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, punditster@... wrote:
On 12/27/2013 11:32 AM, bobpriced@... mailto:bobpriced@... wrote:
Have you consulted council about legal jeopardy you could face for copyright
infringement with your vanity publishing project; FYI:
Fair use is a limitation and exception to the exclusive right granted by
copyright law to the author of a creative work. In the United States copyright
law, fair use is a doctrine that permits limited use of copyrighted material
without acquiring permission from the rights holders. Examples of fair use
include commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting,
research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8dGtyhSHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8dGtyhSHk
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
On 12/28/2013 12:29 PM, bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8dGtyhSHk This is supposed to be a family oriented forum, Bob. If you want to get immediately banned, I wouldn't post any links to pornography. Rick and Alex have a zero tolerance for posting porn or links to porn of any kind. So, be warned.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, punditster@... wrote:
On 12/28/2013 12:29 PM, bobpriced@... mailto:bobpriced@... wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8dGtyhSHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8dGtyhSHk This is supposed to be a family
oriented forum, Bob. If you want to get immediately banned, I wouldn't post any
links to pornography. Rick and Alex have a zero tolerance for posting porn or
links to porn of any kind. So, be warned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHs2coAzLJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHs2coAzLJ8
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
Obviously Judy maintains a database of messages she copies from the
forum and keeps them in a folder for future use. It's probably a folder
marked FFL, and in a sub-category a folder marked share, right under
a folder marked barry and then one marked willytex; this last folder
is probably where Judy stores her macros. It used to be she could easily
do a Search on Yahoo Groups, but these days with the advent of NEO it
would be easier to just store the posts she wants to re-post later to
comment on. This is a sure sign of an obsessive character trait. Go figure.
On 12/26/2013 10:42 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, sharelong60@... wrote:
Judy, your previous post indicates that you are keeping track of posts
you think are clueless and you're ranking them! I admit it makes me
wonder about your mental situation.
Yes, I would have to question this as well, Sharon. I mean, out of all
of the clueless, stupid, insipid, inane, helpless-little-girl posts
that you write here how she can rank them is beyond me. I have to side
with you on this one.
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:19 PM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:
I don't know whether anyone's keeping track, Share. Would it make you
anxious if they were? After all, you'd only be competing with yourself.
Is someone keeping track?! That seems pretty clueless to me!
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:12 PM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:
*This is probably the funniest (i.e., most clueless) post Share has
ever made.*
from yahoo answers: Irony is probably one of the great misused
words of our generation. In its pure form it requires the speaker to
say one thing and mean another, and also requires at least one person
present to believe that the speaker means what he says and at least
one who knows otherwise.
Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience,
consisting of one party that hearing shall hear and shall not
understand, and another party that, when more is meant than meets the
ear, is aware both of that more and of the outsiders' incomprehension.
-- Fowler's Modern English Usage.
Parody is imitation of the written or spoken words of another for the
purpose of ridicule.
Satire is a humorous artistic expression (such as a novel or essay)
intended to attack folly, stupidity or vice. It can employ a number of
types of humor, including sarcasm, irony and wit.
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:48 PM, Richard J. Williams
punditster@... wrote:
On 12/26/2013 11:14 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private.
Oh, so now it's irony instead of a parody?
parody:
a. A literary or artistic work that imitates the
characteristic style of an author or a work for comic
effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature.
b. The genre of literature comprising such works.
2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional
mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken seriously. Obviously Judy maintains a database of messages she copies from the forum and keeps them in a folder for future use. It's probably a folder marked FFL, and in a sub-category a folder marked share, right under a folder marked barry and then one marked willytex; this last folder is probably where Judy stores her macros. It used to be she could easily do a Search on Yahoo Groups, but these days with the advent of NEO it would be easier to just store the posts she wants to re-post later to comment on. This is a sure sign of an obsessive character trait. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
Ann seems to be quite gullible when it comes to coming under the spell
of manipulators like Robin and Judy. Apparently she takes Robin very
seriously - maybe Ann is still under some kind of trance-induction
state. Most people get over such mind manipulation in a few months - for
others it takes years. Ann seems to have come to this forum because
Robin was posting here, but he's gone now, so it looks like Ann's new
mind control leader is Judy. From what I've read here, it looks like Ann
and Judy both came under Robin's spell - he manipulated them like a
master. Go figure.
On 12/26/2013 11:04 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, anartaxius@... wrote:
Perhaps this is one of those cases of irony we have missed here, and
therefore, we should be deadly serious about what Richard says. Irony
is best used in small doses, Robin's use of irony was quite extensive,
and basically used as a tool for manipulation.
Yes, yes. Deadly serious. OK, I am serious now. No smiling, no
laughing. I am ready. Now what?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, punditster@... wrote:
Ann seems to be quite gullible when it comes to coming under the spell of
manipulators like Robin and Judy. Apparently she takes Robin very seriously -
maybe Ann is still under some kind of trance-induction state. Most people get
over such mind manipulation in a few months - for others it takes years. Ann
seems to have come to this forum because Robin was posting here, but he's gone
now, so it looks like Ann's new mind control leader is Judy. From what I've
read here, it looks like Ann and Judy both came under Robin's spell - he
manipulated them like a master. Go figure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a6YdNmK77k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a6YdNmK77k
On 12/26/2013 11:04 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@...
wrote:
Perhaps this is one of those cases of irony we have missed here, and
therefore, we should be deadly serious about what Richard says. Irony is best
used in small doses, Robin's use of irony was quite extensive, and basically
used as a tool for manipulation.
Yes, yes. Deadly serious. OK, I am serious now. No smiling, no laughing. I am
ready. Now what?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken seriously. Ann seems to be quite gullible when it comes to coming under the spell of manipulators like Robin and Judy. Apparently she takes Robin very seriously - maybe Ann is still under some kind of trance-induction state. Most people get over such mind manipulation in a few months - for others it takes years. Ann seems to have come to this forum because Robin was posting here, but he's gone now, so it looks like Ann's new mind control leader is Judy. From what I've read here, it looks like Ann and Judy both came under Robin's spell - he manipulated them like a master. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
It's starting to look like Judy is taking me seriously. LoL! Back on Google Groups I must have posted at least a thousand on-topic messages to the group without a single comment from Judy. At the time I figured she didn't have any comments to post because what I posted was so cogent and clear that there was no need for a reply. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. And, besides, what can anyone say about an on-topic cogent message - Me too? Then, shortly after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, I posted a few political comment defending the reasons why the President and Hillary Clinton and John Kerry supported the decision by the U.S. Congress to go in and determine if Saddam had WMD or not. That set Judy off on a decade long attempt to discredit me, calling me a liar and a troll, thousands of times, and attempting to get others to shun me. It was a remarkable case of stalking and abuse. Almost pathological. Go figure. On 12/27/2013 7:34 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken **seriously.* Obviously Judy maintains a database of messages she copies from the forum and keeps them in a folder for future use. It's probably a folder marked FFL, and in a sub-category a folder marked share, right under a folder marked barry and then one marked willytex; this last folder is probably where Judy stores her macros. It used to be she could easily do a Search on Yahoo Groups, but these days with the advent of NEO it would be easier to just store the posts she wants to re-post later to comment on. This is a sure sign of an obsessive character trait. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken seriously. It's starting to look like Judy is taking me seriously. LoL! Back on Google Groups I must have posted at least a thousand on-topic messages to the group without a single comment from Judy. At the time I figured she didn't have any comments to post because what I posted was so cogent and clear that there was no need for a reply. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. And, besides, what can anyone say about an on-topic cogent message - Me too? Then, shortly after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, I posted a few political comment defending the reasons why the President and Hillary Clinton and John Kerry supported the decision by the U.S. Congress to go in and determine if Saddam had WMD or not. That set Judy off on a decade long attempt to discredit me, calling me a liar and a troll, thousands of times, and attempting to get others to shun me. It was a remarkable case of stalking and abuse. Almost pathological. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
He was spoofing Barry and his buddies and their crazed attacks on me, and
also, yes, partly his own writing style. He did the latter quite a bit,
actually. Most people knew what he was doing, and it only enhanced his
credibility. He was a master at ironic self-deprecation. Too bad you missed it;
it was very entertaining and appealing.
Judy, he doesn't get it and, I am sorry to say, I don't think he ever will. As
clear as it is what Robin was doing and liked to do it is beyond RR's ability
to comprehend. It is exactly why Bob's posts, as funny and intelligent and
multi-layered as they are, are wasted on him. Ricky's mentality is meant for
simpler fare - repetition of simple ideas, falsehoods and the need to be the
center of attention - even if the attention means others are laughing at him.
I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a parody. Go
figure. I even have it documented in a private email So, you are saying that
Robin spoofed himself? Because a parody, strictly speaking, is a work that
caricatures another work. Robin's post bears no resemblance to Judy's or
Barry's works on FFL.
There is something fishy going on here with you two. Why would Robin spoof
himself and bring into question everything he has written on FFL by posting a
spoof of his own writing style? If he did that, nobody would ever believe
anything he ever wrote here again.
Richard, you are tenasome! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuA14Z2QadM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuA14Z2QadM
parody:
A parody (also called spoof, send-up or lampoon), in current use, is an
imitative work created to mock, comment on or trivialize an original work, its
subject, author, style, or some other target, by means of satiric or ironic
imitation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, sharelong60@... wrote:
from yahoo answers: Irony is probably one of the great misused words of our
generation. In its pure form it requires the speaker to say one thing and mean
another, and also requires at least one person present to believe that the
speaker means what he says and at least one who knows otherwise.
Share is empathetic.
Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of
one party that hearing shall hear and shall not understand, and another party
that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more and of
the outsiders' incomprehension.
-- Fowler's Modern English Usage.
Parody is imitation of the written or spoken words of another for the purpose
of ridicule.
Satire is a humorous artistic expression (such as a novel or essay) intended
to attack folly, stupidity or vice. It can employ a number of types of humor,
including sarcasm, irony and wit.
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:48 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@...
wrote:
On 12/26/2013 11:14 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private.
Oh, so now it's irony instead of a parody?
parody:
a. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an
author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature.
b. The genre of literature comprising such works.
2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty:
The trial was a parody of justice.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, punditster@... wrote:
If their conversation was, as Judy and Robin claim, a spoof, then both Judy
and Robin stand self-condemned. Most readers here take these messages at face
value, as being true. If Judy and Robin are spoofing us, then they stand as two
of the biggest FFL fibbers of all time. All true spoofs are false, even if
effective. If it was not a spoof, it stands on it's own as a condemnation of Ms
Stein.
Either way, it's lesson in the amount of deception a person can stoop to in
order to deceive - it's trickery. If it was a spoof, that makes Robin look like
the trickster he really is and has been for a long time. Gullible students may
have fallen for his tricks in the past, but Robin may have hoisted himself on
his own petard with this post. Go figure.
Final rinse and spin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw1HJqpbfJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw1HJqpbfJU
On 12/26/2013 11:38 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@...
wrote:
You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the
wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey
is flying out of my butt. Go figure.
I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a parody. Go
figure. I even have it documented in a private email. Go figure some more.
Whoops, watch out for the monkeys flying out of Richard's butt! They're
pelting him with poo, but they're laughing so hard at him that their aim is a
bit off. You don't want to get in the line of fire.
Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. We were pretty
pleased with ourselves, I must confess.
Yes, it was one of the first times that he really had a good chuckle with me
about this conversation between you two. He thought it was bloody hilarious and
I don't really think he imagined for a moment that anyone would take it
seriously. However, he didn't care what anyone believed, I don't think, he just
was having far too much fun with you on this one. I don't think he realized how
irony challenged many people are at FFL or even how they would be willing to,
at any opportunity, use the seeming ambiguity of whether or not it was irony,
to some silly advantage to win an argument.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
It looks like Judy really took me seriously. LoL! Seriously, folks, I should have just kept my pile hole shut about Robin since he's no longer here, but I couldn't resist. My apologies to Robin who is not here to defend himself. But, Ann and Judy aren't doing a very good job of taking up for Robin. So, in his defense, I'd like to say that it was interesting reading all his posted messages. Compared to the usual Judy macros and one-liners posted here y Ann, Robin seemed to have something he wanted to communicate to us. Some people do feel better when they have someone to talk to. So, Robin if you're reading this, it's nothing personal. Thanks for taking the time to post here. Seriously. On 12/27/2013 9:29 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken **seriously. * Ann seems to be quite gullible when it comes to coming under the spell of manipulators like Robin and Judy. Apparently she takes Robin very seriously - maybe Ann is still under some kind of trance-induction state. Most people get over such mind manipulation in a few months - for others it takes years. Ann seems to have come to this forum because Robin was posting here, but he's gone now, so it looks like Ann's new mind control leader is Judy. From what I've read here, it looks like Ann and Judy both came under Robin's spell - he manipulated them like a master. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
Richard, you are just a really nice guy! Anyway, I hope you're noticing that Bob is often putting little comments along with his links now as you requested. I admit I'm still not opening those links because I still don't get his sense of humor. But I'm sure it's good. Bob's your uncle! *Bob's your uncle* is a phrase my British SO of 15 years taught me. It means something like: and there you have it or that's that! In Iowa City there's a local pizza chain called Bob's Your Uncle. Cute! Like if your were teaching someone how to create a macro, at the very end instead of saying *and there you have it* you'd say: Bob's your uncle! I hope I got that right (-: On Friday, December 27, 2013 10:48 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like Judy really took me seriously. LoL! Seriously, folks, I should have just kept my pile hole shut about Robin since he's no longer here, but I couldn't resist. My apologies to Robin who is not here to defend himself. But, Ann and Judy aren't doing a very good job of taking up for Robin. So, in his defense, I'd like to say that it was interesting reading all his posted messages. Compared to the usual Judy macros and one-liners posted here y Ann, Robin seemed to have something he wanted to communicate to us. Some people do feel better when they have someone to talk to. So, Robin if you're reading this, it's nothing personal. Thanks for taking the time to post here. Seriously. On 12/27/2013 9:29 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken seriously. Ann seems to be quite gullible when it comes to coming under the spell of manipulators like Robin and Judy. Apparently she takes Robin very seriously - maybe Ann is still under some kind of trance-induction state. Most people get over such mind manipulation in a few months - for others it takes years. Ann seems to have come to this forum because Robin was posting here, but he's gone now, so it looks like Ann's new mind control leader is Judy. From what I've read here, it looks like Ann and Judy both came under Robin's spell - he manipulated them like a master. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
On 12/27/2013 10:05 AM, bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: Parody is imitation of the written or spoken words of another for the purpose of ridicule. So, Bob is thinking that Robin was ridiculing himself? Because, what Robin posted was nothing like what Barry writes. Barry makes sense, but Robin's post was almost nonsensical. I'd say what Robin posted was the truth of how Robin really feels. Most people who are readers here take these posts at face value. So, Robin seemed to NOT be posting a parody or something ironic - it was a true evaluation of what he really thought about Judy. So, it's ironic that Judy and Bob would call what Robin wrote a parody. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, punditster@... wrote:
On 12/27/2013 10:05 AM, bobpriced@... mailto:bobpriced@... wrote:
Parody is imitation of the written or spoken words of another for the purpose
of ridicule. So, Bob is thinking that Robin was ridiculing himself? Because,
what Robin posted was nothing like what Barry writes. Barry makes sense, but
Robin's post was almost nonsensical. I'd say what Robin posted was the truth of
how Robin really feels. Most people who are readers here take these posts at
face value. So, Robin seemed to NOT be posting a parody or something ironic -
it was a true evaluation of what he really thought about Judy. So, it's ironic
that Judy and Bob would call what Robin wrote a parody. Go figure. Richard
Macro (#87)
Have you consulted council about legal jeopardy you could face for copyright
infringement with your vanity publishing project; why not discuss it with Barry
- I'm sure he has some valuable input to give you on Best Sellers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
On 12/27/2013 11:32 AM, bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: /Have you consulted council about legal jeopardy you could face for copyright infringement with your vanity publishing project;/ FYI: Fair use is a limitation and exception to the exclusive right granted by copyright law to the author of a creative work. In the United States copyright law, fair use is a doctrine that permits limited use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders. Examples of fair use include commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
On 12/27/2013 10:56 AM, Share Long wrote: I hope you're noticing that Bob is often putting little comments along with his links now as you requested. Now that's better! The reason I don't open any of those YouTube links is not because I don't like Bob - it's because I'm too busy opening my own YouTube links! These days, I hardly have time to even read my email anymore, what with all the places we go and all the things we do; taking note of what other people wear, what other people do, what other people say, what other people eat, and what other people are thinking. That doesn't leave much time for yakking on a chat room. My future is so bright, I have to wear shades! Future's So Bright I Gotta Wear Shades - Timbuk3 http://youtu.be/8qrriKcwvlY Timbuk3 was an American post-punk band which released six original studio albums between 1986 and 1995. They are most well known for their Top 20 single The Future's So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades. The band's music has been featured on more than 20 compilation and soundtrack albums. Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuk3 On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, you are just a really nice guy! Anyway, I hope you're noticing that Bob is often putting little comments along with his links now as you requested. I admit I'm still not opening those links because I still don't get his sense of humor. But I'm sure it's good. Bob's your uncle! *Bob's your uncle* is a phrase my British SO of 15 years taught me. It means something like: and there you have it or that's that! In Iowa City there's a local pizza chain called Bob's Your Uncle. Cute! Like if your were teaching someone how to create a macro, at the very end instead of saying *and there you have it* you'd say: Bob's your uncle! I hope I got that right (-: On Friday, December 27, 2013 10:48 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like Judy really took me seriously. LoL! Seriously, folks, I should have just kept my pile hole shut about Robin since he's no longer here, but I couldn't resist. My apologies to Robin who is not here to defend himself. But, Ann and Judy aren't doing a very good job of taking up for Robin. So, in his defense, I'd like to say that it was interesting reading all his posted messages. Compared to the usual Judy macros and one-liners posted here y Ann, Robin seemed to have something he wanted to communicate to us. Some people do feel better when they have someone to talk to. So, Robin if you're reading this, it's nothing personal. Thanks for taking the time to post here. Seriously. On 12/27/2013 9:29 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *As Richard himself admitted in post #368186, nothing he says is to be taken **seriously. * Ann seems to be quite gullible when it comes to coming under the spell of manipulators like Robin and Judy. Apparently she takes Robin very seriously - maybe Ann is still under some kind of trance-induction state. Most people get over such mind manipulation in a few months - for others it takes years. Ann seems to have come to this forum because Robin was posting here, but he's gone now, so it looks like Ann's new mind control leader is Judy. From what I've read here, it looks like Ann and Judy both came under Robin's spell - he manipulated them like a master. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
This is a very shocking message from Robin concerning his departure from the discussion group. For the record, I must apologize for the bad behavior of the some of informants here on FairfieldLife. It is a sad comment on the state of mind of one of the respondents that you mention in this message. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for Ms Stein's bad behavior in attacking your integrity, falsely accusing you of posting parody in the place of truth - it is a blatant display of bad form and I feel a certain amount of embarrassment at her behavior. I can't speak for anyone else here but Judy was wrong in her campaign to get Barry. Her hateful hostility should be reason for pause, in her case, and to do some hard thinking about this matter. I agree there should be a moratorium on this whole mean campaign to malign the integrity of Richard and Barry and Curtis - she should cease and she should apologize to the group or leave. That's what I think. Judy may be an intelligent and well-meaning person; but you and Curtis and Barry and Richard have now identified what is wrong with her - and I agree with you that Judy is the problem here, and nobody else. You were her last supporter and now even you have had admited that Judy is in the wrong in this never ending dispute. When the chorus and the entire band rebels against the conductor, it is time to revise the entire opera and start all over with not only new leadership, but with a change of attitude. So, I hope Judy reads this and takes it to heart. It is just sad to see you, the Masked Zebra quit the group over the actions of a single respondent, Ms Stein.It is sad, very sad, that it has come to this. Again, speaking for myself, good luck in all your future endeavors. Stay on the path, beware of the full moon.- Richard Williams masked zebra wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence. So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and Raunchydog), his judgment of me and my posts is valid as well. Now I would just ask the readers of FFLthose who have aligned themselves with Judy, with Robin, with the now departed Bob Price, with Jim and othersto reconsider their position, since for someone like myself to undergo a change of perception this significant, a change which I was determined would not and could not happen, suggests something very powerful at work here. You remember Saul persecuting the Christians and then being struck down on the Road to Damascus by Christ, and in the violence of his conversion becoming a fierce defender of Christ. Well, although I did not undergo quite as spectacular a transformation of belief, I think there are parallels here, and to the extent to which Saul became Paul, I have become a very different Robin. I don't say that Barry is Jesus or anything like that. That would be absurd. And even if I did think that Barry was Christ, I know he would only have contempt for such a view of him. So, no, I won't go that far. But I will say that in the main Barry has been right all along, and even his most vitriolic and bitter posts have been in the service of somehow forcing people to see what they, like me, were blind to. Well, I have been persuaded, and in a way which really means something, that Barry is the martyr here, and I can't tell you (although Steve perhaps has somewhat had the foretaste of such a sensationbut only very mildly) how much better I feel, not just in my heart, but in my conscience. I am not going to congratulate myself on what I have accomplished here in mortifying my pride and my sense of righteousness to bend the knee and reverse course in my judgment of this person, but I do think that
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey is flying out of my butt. Go figure. On 12/26/2013 7:04 AM, pundits...@gmail.com wrote: This is a very shocking message from Robin concerning his departure from the discussion group. For the record, I must apologize for the bad behavior of the some of informants here on FairfieldLife. It is a sad comment on the state of mind of one of the respondents that you mention in this message. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for Ms Stein's bad behavior in attacking your integrity, falsely accusing you of posting parody in the place of truth - it is a blatant display of bad form and I feel a certain amount of embarrassment at her behavior. I can't speak for anyone else here but Judy was wrong in her campaign to get Barry. Her hateful hostility should be reason for pause, in her case, and to do some hard thinking about this matter. I agree there should be a moratorium on this whole mean campaign to malign the integrity of Richard and Barry and Curtis - she should cease and she should apologize to the group or leave. That's what I think. Judy may be an intelligent and well-meaning person; but you and Curtis and Barry and Richard have now identified what is wrong with her - and I agree with you that Judy is the problem here, and nobody else. You were her last supporter and now even you have had admited that Judy is in the wrong in this never ending dispute. When the chorus and the entire band rebels against the conductor, it is time to revise the entire opera and start all over with not only new leadership, but with a change of attitude. So, I hope Judy reads this and takes it to heart. It is just sad to see you, the Masked Zebra quit the group over the actions of a single respondent, Ms Stein.It is sad, very sad, that it has come to this. Again, speaking for myself, good luck in all your future endeavors. Stay on the path, beware of the full moon.- Richard Williams masked zebra wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence. So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and Raunchydog), his judgment of me and my posts is valid as well. Now I would just ask the readers of FFLthose who have aligned themselves with Judy, with Robin, with the now departed Bob Price, with Jim and othersto reconsider their position, since for someone like myself to undergo a change of perception this significant, a change which I was determined would not and could not happen, suggests something very powerful at work here. You remember Saul persecuting the Christians and then being struck down on the Road to Damascus by Christ, and in the violence of his conversion becoming a fierce defender of Christ. Well, although I did not undergo quite as spectacular a transformation of belief, I think there are parallels here, and to the extent to which Saul became Paul, I have become a very different Robin. I don't say that Barry is Jesus or anything like that. That would be absurd. And even if I did think that Barry was Christ, I know he would only have contempt for such a view of him. So, no, I won't go that far. But I will say that in the main Barry has been right all along, and even his most vitriolic and bitter posts have been in the service of somehow forcing people to see what they, like me, were blind to. Well, I have been persuaded, and in a way which really means something, that Barry is the martyr here, and I can't tell you (although Steve perhaps has somewhat had the foretaste of such a sensationbut only very mildly) how much better I feel, not just
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
I did reply to that post, it was a parody--the whole exchange was a parody--and the host of monkeys that just flew out of your butt are throwing poo at you. For the record, for those who may not remember: Robin didn't leave FFL until almost three weeks later, and he left because of a brutally cruel post from Curtis commenting on Robin's Open Letter about having struck his students. Richard knows all this. As he himself has admitted, nothing he says is to be taken seriously. You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey is flying out of my butt. Go figure. On 12/26/2013 7:04 AM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: This is a very shocking message from Robin concerning his departure from the discussion group. For the record, I must apologize for the bad behavior of the some of informants here on FairfieldLife. It is a sad comment on the state of mind of one of the respondents that you mention in this message. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for Ms Stein's bad behavior in attacking your integrity, falsely accusing you of posting parody in the place of truth - it is a blatant display of bad form and I feel a certain amount of embarrassment at her behavior. I can't speak for anyone else here but Judy was wrong in her campaign to get Barry. Her hateful hostility should be reason for pause, in her case, and to do some hard thinking about this matter. I agree there should be a moratorium on this whole mean campaign to malign the integrity of Richard and Barry and Curtis - she should cease and she should apologize to the group or leave. That's what I think. Judy may be an intelligent and well-meaning person; but you and Curtis and Barry and Richard have now identified what is wrong with her - and I agree with you that Judy is the problem here, and nobody else. You were her last supporter and now even you have had admited that Judy is in the wrong in this never ending dispute. When the chorus and the entire band rebels against the conductor, it is time to revise the entire opera and start all over with not only new leadership, but with a change of attitude. So, I hope Judy reads this and takes it to heart. It is just sad to see you, the Masked Zebra quit the group over the actions of a single respondent, Ms Stein.It is sad, very sad, that it has come to this. Again, speaking for myself, good luck in all your future endeavors. Stay on the path, beware of the full moon.- Richard Williams masked zebra wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence. So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and Raunchydog), his judgment of me and my posts is valid as well. Now I would just ask the readers of FFLthose who have aligned themselves with Judy, with Robin, with the now departed Bob Price, with Jim and othersto reconsider their position, since for someone like myself to undergo a change of perception this significant, a change which I was determined would not and could not happen, suggests something very powerful at work here. You remember Saul persecuting the Christians and then being struck down on the Road to Damascus by Christ, and in the violence of his conversion becoming a fierce defender of Christ. Well, although I did not undergo quite as spectacular a transformation of belief, I think there are parallels here, and to the extent to which Saul became Paul, I have become a very different Robin. I don't say that Barry is Jesus or anything like that. That would be absurd. And even if I did think that Barry was Christ, I know he would only have
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, punditster@... wrote:
You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the
wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey
is flying out of my butt. Go figure.
I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a parody. Go
figure. I even have it documented in a private email. Go figure some more.
On 12/26/2013 7:04 AM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote:
This is a very shocking message from Robin concerning his departure from the
discussion group. For the record, I must apologize for the bad behavior of the
some of informants here on FairfieldLife. It is a sad comment on the state of
mind of one of the respondents that you mention in this message. I would like
to take this opportunity to apologize for Ms Stein's bad behavior in attacking
your integrity, falsely accusing you of posting parody in the place of truth -
it is a blatant display of bad form and I feel a certain amount of
embarrassment at her behavior.
I can't speak for anyone else here but Judy was wrong in her campaign to get
Barry. Her hateful hostility should be reason for pause, in her case, and to do
some hard thinking about this matter. I agree there should be a moratorium on
this whole mean campaign to malign the integrity of Richard and Barry and
Curtis - she should cease and she should apologize to the group or leave.
That's what I think.
Judy may be an intelligent and well-meaning person; but you and Curtis and
Barry and Richard have now identified what is wrong with her - and I agree with
you that Judy is the problem here, and nobody else. You were her last supporter
and now even you have had admited that Judy is in the wrong in this never
ending dispute.
When the chorus and the entire band rebels against the conductor, it is time
to revise the entire opera and start all over with not only new leadership, but
with a change of attitude.
So, I hope Judy reads this and takes it to heart. It is just sad to see you,
the Masked Zebra quit the group over the actions of a single respondent, Ms
Stein.It is sad, very sad, that it has come to this. Again, speaking for
myself, good luck in all your future endeavors. Stay on the path, beware of the
full moon.- Richard Williams
masked zebra wrote:
In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and
the characters I have interacted with.
It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and
without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry
appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded
that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about
even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very
recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of
his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry,
these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was
right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to
consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism
of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to
have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide
with the truth, with reality.
Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence.
So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this
anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his
assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and Raunchydog), his judgment
of me and my posts is valid as well.
Now I would just ask the readers of FFLthose who have aligned themselves with
Judy, with Robin, with the now departed Bob Price, with Jim and othersto
reconsider their position, since for someone like myself to undergo a change of
perception this significant, a change which I was determined would not and
could not happen, suggests something very powerful at work here. You remember
Saul persecuting the Christians and then being struck down on the Road to
Damascus by Christ, and in the violence of his conversion becoming a fierce
defender of Christ. Well, although I did not undergo quite as spectacular a
transformation of belief, I think there are parallels here, and to the extent
to which Saul became Paul, I have become a very different Robin. I don't say
that Barry is Jesus or anything like that. That would be absurd. And even if I
did think that Barry was Christ, I know he would only have contempt for such a
view of him. So, no, I won't go that far. But I will say that in the main Barry
has been right all along, and even his most vitriolic and bitter posts have
been in the service of somehow forcing people to see what they, like me, were
blind to.
Well,
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, punditster@... wrote:
You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the
wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey
is flying out of my butt. Go figure.
I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a parody. Go
figure. I even have it documented in a private email. Go figure some more.
Oh, BTW, that monkey needs a bath.
On 12/26/2013 7:04 AM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote:
This is a very shocking message from Robin concerning his departure from the
discussion group. For the record, I must apologize for the bad behavior of the
some of informants here on FairfieldLife. It is a sad comment on the state of
mind of one of the respondents that you mention in this message. I would like
to take this opportunity to apologize for Ms Stein's bad behavior in attacking
your integrity, falsely accusing you of posting parody in the place of truth -
it is a blatant display of bad form and I feel a certain amount of
embarrassment at her behavior.
I can't speak for anyone else here but Judy was wrong in her campaign to get
Barry. Her hateful hostility should be reason for pause, in her case, and to do
some hard thinking about this matter. I agree there should be a moratorium on
this whole mean campaign to malign the integrity of Richard and Barry and
Curtis - she should cease and she should apologize to the group or leave.
That's what I think.
Judy may be an intelligent and well-meaning person; but you and Curtis and
Barry and Richard have now identified what is wrong with her - and I agree with
you that Judy is the problem here, and nobody else. You were her last supporter
and now even you have had admited that Judy is in the wrong in this never
ending dispute.
When the chorus and the entire band rebels against the conductor, it is time
to revise the entire opera and start all over with not only new leadership, but
with a change of attitude.
So, I hope Judy reads this and takes it to heart. It is just sad to see you,
the Masked Zebra quit the group over the actions of a single respondent, Ms
Stein.It is sad, very sad, that it has come to this. Again, speaking for
myself, good luck in all your future endeavors. Stay on the path, beware of the
full moon.- Richard Williams
masked zebra wrote:
In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and
the characters I have interacted with.
It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and
without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry
appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded
that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about
even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very
recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of
his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry,
these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was
right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to
consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism
of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to
have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide
with the truth, with reality.
Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence.
So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this
anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his
assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and Raunchydog), his judgment
of me and my posts is valid as well.
Now I would just ask the readers of FFLthose who have aligned themselves with
Judy, with Robin, with the now departed Bob Price, with Jim and othersto
reconsider their position, since for someone like myself to undergo a change of
perception this significant, a change which I was determined would not and
could not happen, suggests something very powerful at work here. You remember
Saul persecuting the Christians and then being struck down on the Road to
Damascus by Christ, and in the violence of his conversion becoming a fierce
defender of Christ. Well, although I did not undergo quite as spectacular a
transformation of belief, I think there are parallels here, and to the extent
to which Saul became Paul, I have become a very different Robin. I don't say
that Barry is Jesus or anything like that. That would be absurd. And even if I
did think that Barry was Christ, I know he would only have contempt for such a
view of him. So, no, I won't go that far. But I will say that in the main Barry
has been right all along, and even his most vitriolic and bitter
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey is flying out of my butt. Go figure. I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a parody. Go figure. I even have it documented in a private email. Go figure some more. Whoops, watch out for the monkeys flying out of Richard's butt! They're pelting him with poo, but they're laughing so hard at him that their aim is a bit off. You don't want to get in the line of fire. Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. We were pretty pleased with ourselves, I must confess.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, authfriend@... wrote:
You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the
wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey
is flying out of my butt. Go figure.
I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a parody. Go
figure. I even have it documented in a private email. Go figure some more.
Whoops, watch out for the monkeys flying out of Richard's butt! They're pelting
him with poo, but they're laughing so hard at him that their aim is a bit off.
You don't want to get in the line of fire.
Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. We were pretty
pleased with ourselves, I must confess.
Yes, it was one of the first times that he really had a good chuckle with me
about this conversation between you two. He thought it was bloody hilarious and
I don't really think he imagined for a moment that anyone would take it
seriously. However, he didn't care what anyone believed, I don't think, he just
was having far too much fun with you on this one. I don't think he realized how
irony challenged many people are at FFL or even how they would be willing to,
at any opportunity, use the seeming ambiguity of whether or not it was irony,
to some silly advantage to win an argument.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
You are mistaken- Robin's post was not a parody; his post was true in all respects. Judy is the only person I know of that thinks Robin's post was a parody. If what Ann said was accurate, Robin wouldn't have time to post a parody to FFL - he has better things to do than parody Judy. The fact is, that Judy can't tell a parody from an opinion. But, Judy already knows this. And, apparently Judy can't tell a parody from posting a true statement. And why? She's obviously got an ego about a mile wide and growing by the hour. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Go figure. Nothing Judy posts from now on will be taken seriously - I have now exposed her as a mere poser and she is very angry. Judy Stein is a loser, period. Finished. Wrap.her.up.and.toss.her.in.the.can. Stick a fork in her - she is done on this forum. On 12/26/2013 10:49 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *I did reply to that post, it was a parody--the whole exchange was a parody--and the host of monkeys that just flew out of your butt are throwing poo at you.* * * For the record, for those who may not remember: Robin didn't leave FFL until almost three weeks later, and he left because of a brutally cruel post from Curtis commenting on Robin's Open Letter about having struck his students. Richard knows all this. As he himself has admitted, nothing he says is to be taken seriously. You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey is flying out of my butt. Go figure. On 12/26/2013 7:04 AM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: This is a very shocking message from Robin concerning his departure from the discussion group. For the record, I must apologize for the bad behavior of the some of informants here on FairfieldLife. It is a sad comment on the state of mind of one of the respondents that you mention in this message. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for Ms Stein's bad behavior in attacking your integrity, falsely accusing you of posting parody in the place of truth - it is a blatant display of bad form and I feel a certain amount of embarrassment at her behavior. I can't speak for anyone else here but Judy was wrong in her campaign to get Barry. Her hateful hostility should be reason for pause, in her case, and to do some hard thinking about this matter. I agree there should be a moratorium on this whole mean campaign to malign the integrity of Richard and Barry and Curtis - she should cease and she should apologize to the group or leave. That's what I think. Judy may be an intelligent and well-meaning person; but you and Curtis and Barry and Richard have now identified what is wrong with her - and I agree with you that Judy is the problem here, and nobody else. You were her last supporter and now even you have had admited that Judy is in the wrong in this never ending dispute. When the chorus and the entire band rebels against the conductor, it is time to revise the entire opera and start all over with not only new leadership, but with a change of attitude. So, I hope Judy reads this and takes it to heart. It is just sad to see you, the Masked Zebra quit the group over the actions of a single respondent, Ms Stein.It is sad, very sad, that it has come to this. Again, speaking for myself, good luck in all your future endeavors. Stay on the path, beware of the full moon.- Richard Williams masked zebra wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence. So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and Raunchydog), his judgment of me and my posts is valid as well. Now I would just ask the readers of
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So, by your logic, if a Canadian posts a message, it's a parody; if two
guys from Texas post messages, they are lies. Thanks for the
clarification. You certainly must have all the inside information on
this one. Good work!
So, why can't the Canadian speak for himself? He didn't seem to have any
trouble over-posting here in the past. Go figure.
On 12/26/2013 10:52 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, punditster@... wrote:
You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to
the wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody,
then a monkey is flying out of my butt. Go figure.
I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a
parody. Go figure. I even have it documented in a private email. Go
figure some more.
On 12/26/2013 7:04 AM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote:
This is a very shocking message from Robin concerning his departure
from the discussion group. For the record, I must apologize for the
bad behavior of the some of informants here on FairfieldLife. It is a
sad comment on the state of mind of one of the respondents that you
mention in this message. I would like to take this opportunity to
apologize for Ms Stein's bad behavior in attacking your integrity,
falsely accusing you of posting parody in the place of truth - it is
a blatant display of bad form and I feel a certain amount of
embarrassment at her behavior.
I can't speak for anyone else here but Judy was wrong in her campaign
to get Barry. Her hateful hostility should be reason for pause, in
her case, and to do some hard thinking about this matter. I agree
there should be a moratorium on this whole mean campaign to malign
the integrity of Richard and Barry and Curtis - she should cease and
she should apologize to the group or leave. That's what I think.
Judy may be an intelligent and well-meaning person; but you and
Curtis and Barry and Richard have now identified what is wrong with
her - and I agree with you that Judy is the problem here, and nobody
else. You were her last supporter and now even you have had admited
that Judy is in the wrong in this never ending dispute.
When the chorus and the entire band rebels against the conductor, it
is time to revise the entire opera and start all over with not only
new leadership, but with a change of attitude.
So, I hope Judy reads this and takes it to heart. It is just sad to
see you, the Masked Zebra quit the group over the actions of a single
respondent, Ms Stein.It is sad, very sad, that it has come to this.
Again, speaking for myself, good luck in all your future endeavors.
Stay on the path, beware of the full moon.- Richard Williams
masked zebra wrote:
In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history
there and the characters I have interacted with.
It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more
closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from
the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects
of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right
not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing
from a point of view which I have up until very recently been
unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of his
refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For
Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it
turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come
to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and
touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was
preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have:
namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide
with the truth, with reality.
Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence.
So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in
this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only
correct in his assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and
Raunchydog), his judgment of me and my posts is valid as well.
Now I would just ask the readers of FFLthose who have aligned
themselves with Judy, with Robin, with the now departed Bob Price,
with Jim and othersto reconsider their position, since for someone
like myself to undergo a change of perception this significant, a
change which I was determined would not and could not happen,
suggests something very powerful at work here. You remember Saul
persecuting the Christians and then being struck down on the Road to
Damascus by Christ, and in the violence of his conversion becoming a
fierce defender of Christ. Well, although I did not undergo quite as
spectacular a transformation of belief, I think there are parallels
here, and to the extent to which Saul became Paul, I have become a
very different Robin. I don't say that Barry is Jesus or
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As Richard himself admitted in post #368186 yesterday, nothing he says is to be taken seriously. You are mistaken- Robin's post was not a parody; his post was true in all respects. Judy is the only person I know of that thinks Robin's post was a parody. If what Ann said was accurate, Robin wouldn't have time to post a parody to FFL - he has better things to do than parody Judy. The fact is, that Judy can't tell a parody from an opinion. But, Judy already knows this. And, apparently Judy can't tell a parody from posting a true statement. And why? She's obviously got an ego about a mile wide and growing by the hour. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Go figure. Nothing Judy posts from now on will be taken seriously - I have now exposed her as a mere poser and she is very angry. Judy Stein is a loser, period. Finished. Wrap.her.up.and.toss.her.in.the.can. Stick a fork in her - she is done on this forum. On 12/26/2013 10:49 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: I did reply to that post, it was a parody--the whole exchange was a parody--and the host of monkeys that just flew out of your butt are throwing poo at you. For the record, for those who may not remember: Robin didn't leave FFL until almost three weeks later, and he left because of a brutally cruel post from Curtis commenting on Robin's Open Letter about having struck his students. Richard knows all this. As he himself has admitted, nothing he says is to be taken seriously. You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey is flying out of my butt. Go figure. On 12/26/2013 7:04 AM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: This is a very shocking message from Robin concerning his departure from the discussion group. For the record, I must apologize for the bad behavior of the some of informants here on FairfieldLife. It is a sad comment on the state of mind of one of the respondents that you mention in this message. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for Ms Stein's bad behavior in attacking your integrity, falsely accusing you of posting parody in the place of truth - it is a blatant display of bad form and I feel a certain amount of embarrassment at her behavior. I can't speak for anyone else here but Judy was wrong in her campaign to get Barry. Her hateful hostility should be reason for pause, in her case, and to do some hard thinking about this matter. I agree there should be a moratorium on this whole mean campaign to malign the integrity of Richard and Barry and Curtis - she should cease and she should apologize to the group or leave. That's what I think. Judy may be an intelligent and well-meaning person; but you and Curtis and Barry and Richard have now identified what is wrong with her - and I agree with you that Judy is the problem here, and nobody else. You were her last supporter and now even you have had admited that Judy is in the wrong in this never ending dispute. When the chorus and the entire band rebels against the conductor, it is time to revise the entire opera and start all over with not only new leadership, but with a change of attitude. So, I hope Judy reads this and takes it to heart. It is just sad to see you, the Masked Zebra quit the group over the actions of a single respondent, Ms Stein.It is sad, very sad, that it has come to this. Again, speaking for myself, good luck in all your future endeavors. Stay on the path, beware of the full moon.- Richard Williams masked zebra wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence. So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his assessment of
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Richard is in tune with Maharishi who said that everything is important but nothing is serious. On Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:27 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: As Richard himself admitted in post #368186 yesterday, nothing he says is to be taken seriously. You are mistaken- Robin's post was not a parody; his post was true in all respects. Judy is the only person I know of that thinks Robin's post was a parody. If what Ann said was accurate, Robin wouldn't have time to post a parody to FFL - he has better things to do than parody Judy. The fact is, that Judy can't tell a parody from an opinion. But, Judy already knows this. And, apparently Judy can't tell a parody from posting a true statement. And why? She's obviously got an ego about a mile wide and growing by the hour. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Go figure. Nothing Judy posts from now on will be taken seriously - I have now exposed her as a mere poser and she is very angry. Judy Stein is a loser, period. Finished. Wrap.her.up.and.toss.her.in.the.can. Stick a fork in her - she is done on this forum. On 12/26/2013 10:49 AM, authfriend@... wrote: I did reply to that post, it was a parody--the whole exchange was a parody--and the host of monkeys that just flew out of your butt are throwing poo at you. For the record, for those who may not remember: Robin didn't leave FFL until almost three weeks later, and he left because of a brutally cruel post from Curtis commenting on Robin's Open Letter about having struck his students. Richard knows all this. As he himself has admitted, nothing he says is to be taken seriously. You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey is flying out of my butt. Go figure. On 12/26/2013 7:04 AM, punditster@... wrote: This is a very shocking message from Robin concerning his departure from the discussion group. For the record, I must apologize for the bad behavior of the some of informants here on FairfieldLife. It is a sad comment on the state of mind of one of the respondents that you mention in this message. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for Ms Stein's bad behavior in attacking your integrity, falsely accusing you of posting parody in the place of truth - it is a blatant display of bad form and I feel a certain amount of embarrassment at her behavior. I can't speak for anyone else here but Judy was wrong in her campaign to get Barry. Her hateful hostility should be reason for pause, in her case, and to do some hard thinking about this matter. I agree there should be a moratorium on this whole mean campaign to malign the integrity of Richard and Barry and Curtis - she should cease and she should apologize to the group or leave. That's what I think. Judy may be an intelligent and well-meaning person; but you and Curtis and Barry and Richard have now identified what is wrong with her - and I agree with you that Judy is the problem here, and nobody else. You were her last supporter and now even you have had admited that Judy is in the wrong in this never ending dispute. When the chorus and the entire band rebels against the conductor, it is time to revise the entire opera and start all over with not only new leadership, but with a change of attitude. So, I hope Judy reads this and takes it to heart. It is just sad to see you, the Masked Zebra quit the group over the actions of a single respondent, Ms Stein.It is sad, very sad, that it has come to this. Again, speaking for myself, good luck in all your future endeavors. Stay on the path, beware of the full moon.- Richard Williams masked zebra wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up
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Meaningless in this context. Richard is in tune with Maharishi who said that everything is important but nothing is serious. On Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:27 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: As Richard himself admitted in post #368186 yesterday, nothing he says is to be taken seriously. You are mistaken- Robin's post was not a parody; his post was true in all respects. Judy is the only person I know of that thinks Robin's post was a parody. If what Ann said was accurate, Robin wouldn't have time to post a parody to FFL - he has better things to do than parody Judy. The fact is, that Judy can't tell a parody from an opinion. But, Judy already knows this. And, apparently Judy can't tell a parody from posting a true statement. And why? She's obviously got an ego about a mile wide and growing by the hour. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Go figure. Nothing Judy posts from now on will be taken seriously - I have now exposed her as a mere poser and she is very angry. Judy Stein is a loser, period. Finished. Wrap.her.up.and.toss.her.in.the.can. Stick a fork in her - she is done on this forum. On 12/26/2013 10:49 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: I did reply to that post, it was a parody--the whole exchange was a parody--and the host of monkeys that just flew out of your butt are throwing poo at you. For the record, for those who may not remember: Robin didn't leave FFL until almost three weeks later, and he left because of a brutally cruel post from Curtis commenting on Robin's Open Letter about having struck his students. Richard knows all this. As he himself has admitted, nothing he says is to be taken seriously. You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey is flying out of my butt. Go figure. On 12/26/2013 7:04 AM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: This is a very shocking message from Robin concerning his departure from the discussion group. For the record, I must apologize for the bad behavior of the some of informants here on FairfieldLife. It is a sad comment on the state of mind of one of the respondents that you mention in this message. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for Ms Stein's bad behavior in attacking your integrity, falsely accusing you of posting parody in the place of truth - it is a blatant display of bad form and I feel a certain amount of embarrassment at her behavior. I can't speak for anyone else here but Judy was wrong in her campaign to get Barry. Her hateful hostility should be reason for pause, in her case, and to do some hard thinking about this matter. I agree there should be a moratorium on this whole mean campaign to malign the integrity of Richard and Barry and Curtis - she should cease and she should apologize to the group or leave. That's what I think. Judy may be an intelligent and well-meaning person; but you and Curtis and Barry and Richard have now identified what is wrong with her - and I agree with you that Judy is the problem here, and nobody else. You were her last supporter and now even you have had admited that Judy is in the wrong in this never ending dispute. When the chorus and the entire band rebels against the conductor, it is time to revise the entire opera and start all over with not only new leadership, but with a change of attitude. So, I hope Judy reads this and takes it to heart. It is just sad to see you, the Masked Zebra quit the group over the actions of a single respondent, Ms Stein.It is sad, very sad, that it has come to this. Again, speaking for myself, good luck in all your future endeavors. Stay on the path, beware of the full moon.- Richard Williams masked zebra wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his*
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On 12/26/2013 10:53 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a parody. Go figure. I even have it documented in a private email So, you are saying that Robin spoofed himself? Because a parody, strictly speaking, is a work that caricatures another work. Robin's post bears no resemblance to Judy's or Barry's works on FFL. There is something fishy going on here with you two. Why would Robin spoof himself and bring into question everything he has written on FFL by posting a spoof of his own writing style? If he did that, nobody would ever believe anything he ever wrote here again. parody: A parody (also called spoof, send-up or lampoon), in current use, is an imitative work created to mock, comment on or trivialize an original work, its subject, author, style, or some other target, by means of satiric or ironic imitation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody
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On 12/26/2013 11:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. Oh, so now it's irony instead of a parody? parody: a. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature. b. The genre of literature comprising such works. 2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody
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He was spoofing Barry and his buddies and their crazed attacks on me, and also, yes, partly his own writing style. He did the latter quite a bit, actually. Most people knew what he was doing, and it only enhanced his credibility. He was a master at ironic self-deprecation. Too bad you missed it; it was very entertaining and appealing. I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a parody. Go figure. I even have it documented in a private email So, you are saying that Robin spoofed himself? Because a parody, strictly speaking, is a work that caricatures another work. Robin's post bears no resemblance to Judy's or Barry's works on FFL. There is something fishy going on here with you two. Why would Robin spoof himself and bring into question everything he has written on FFL by posting a spoof of his own writing style? If he did that, nobody would ever believe anything he ever wrote here again. parody: A parody (also called spoof, send-up or lampoon), in current use, is an imitative work created to mock, comment on or trivialize an original work, its subject, author, style, or some other target, by means of satiric or ironic imitation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody
[FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: He was spoofing Barry and his buddies and their crazed attacks on me, and also, yes, partly his own writing style. He did the latter quite a bit, actually. Most people knew what he was doing, and it only enhanced his credibility. He was a master at ironic self-deprecation. Too bad you missed it; it was very entertaining and appealing. Judy, he doesn't get it and, I am sorry to say, I don't think he ever will. As clear as it is what Robin was doing and liked to do it is beyond RR's ability to comprehend. It is exactly why Bob's posts, as funny and intelligent and multi-layered as they are, are wasted on him. Ricky's mentality is meant for simpler fare - repetition of simple ideas, falsehoods and the need to be the center of attention - even if the attention means others are laughing at him. I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a parody. Go figure. I even have it documented in a private email So, you are saying that Robin spoofed himself? Because a parody, strictly speaking, is a work that caricatures another work. Robin's post bears no resemblance to Judy's or Barry's works on FFL. There is something fishy going on here with you two. Why would Robin spoof himself and bring into question everything he has written on FFL by posting a spoof of his own writing style? If he did that, nobody would ever believe anything he ever wrote here again. parody: A parody (also called spoof, send-up or lampoon), in current use, is an imitative work created to mock, comment on or trivialize an original work, its subject, author, style, or some other target, by means of satiric or ironic imitation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody
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from yahoo answers: Irony is probably one of the great misused words of our generation. In its pure form it requires the speaker to say one thing and mean another, and also requires at least one person present to believe that the speaker means what he says and at least one who knows otherwise. Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of one party that hearing shall hear and shall not understand, and another party that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more and of the outsiders' incomprehension. -- Fowler's Modern English Usage. Parody is imitation of the written or spoken words of another for the purpose of ridicule. Satire is a humorous artistic expression (such as a novel or essay) intended to attack folly, stupidity or vice. It can employ a number of types of humor, including sarcasm, irony and wit. On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:48 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/26/2013 11:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. Oh, so now it's irony instead of a parody? parody: a. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature. b. The genre of literature comprising such works. 2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody
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This is probably the funniest (i.e., most clueless) post Share has ever made. from yahoo answers: Irony is probably one of the great misused words of our generation. In its pure form it requires the speaker to say one thing and mean another, and also requires at least one person present to believe that the speaker means what he says and at least one who knows otherwise. Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of one party that hearing shall hear and shall not understand, and another party that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more and of the outsiders' incomprehension. -- Fowler's Modern English Usage. Parody is imitation of the written or spoken words of another for the purpose of ridicule. Satire is a humorous artistic expression (such as a novel or essay) intended to attack folly, stupidity or vice. It can employ a number of types of humor, including sarcasm, irony and wit. On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:48 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 12/26/2013 11:14 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. Oh, so now it's irony instead of a parody? parody: a. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature. b. The genre of literature comprising such works. 2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody
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Is someone keeping track?! That seems pretty clueless to me! On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:12 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: This is probably the funniest (i.e., most clueless) post Share has ever made. from yahoo answers: Irony is probably one of the great misused words of our generation. In its pure form it requires the speaker to say one thing and mean another, and also requires at least one person present to believe that the speaker means what he says and at least one who knows otherwise. Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of one party that hearing shall hear and shall not understand, and another party that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more and of the outsiders' incomprehension. -- Fowler's Modern English Usage. Parody is imitation of the written or spoken words of another for the purpose of ridicule. Satire is a humorous artistic expression (such as a novel or essay) intended to attack folly, stupidity or vice. It can employ a number of types of humor, including sarcasm, irony and wit. On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:48 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 12/26/2013 11:14 AM, authfriend@... wrote: Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. Oh, so now it's irony instead of a parody? parody: a. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature. b. The genre of literature comprising such works. 2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
I don't know whether anyone's keeping track, Share. Would it make you anxious if they were? After all, you'd only be competing with yourself. Is someone keeping track?! That seems pretty clueless to me! On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:12 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: This is probably the funniest (i.e., most clueless) post Share has ever made. from yahoo answers: Irony is probably one of the great misused words of our generation. In its pure form it requires the speaker to say one thing and mean another, and also requires at least one person present to believe that the speaker means what he says and at least one who knows otherwise. Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of one party that hearing shall hear and shall not understand, and another party that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more and of the outsiders' incomprehension. -- Fowler's Modern English Usage. Parody is imitation of the written or spoken words of another for the purpose of ridicule. Satire is a humorous artistic expression (such as a novel or essay) intended to attack folly, stupidity or vice. It can employ a number of types of humor, including sarcasm, irony and wit. On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:48 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 12/26/2013 11:14 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. Oh, so now it's irony instead of a parody? parody: a. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature. b. The genre of literature comprising such works. 2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
Judy, your previous post indicates that you are keeping track of posts you think are clueless and you're ranking them! I admit it makes me wonder about your mental situation. On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:19 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know whether anyone's keeping track, Share. Would it make you anxious if they were? After all, you'd only be competing with yourself. Is someone keeping track?! That seems pretty clueless to me! On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:12 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: This is probably the funniest (i.e., most clueless) post Share has ever made. from yahoo answers: Irony is probably one of the great misused words of our generation. In its pure form it requires the speaker to say one thing and mean another, and also requires at least one person present to believe that the speaker means what he says and at least one who knows otherwise. Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of one party that hearing shall hear and shall not understand, and another party that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more and of the outsiders' incomprehension. -- Fowler's Modern English Usage. Parody is imitation of the written or spoken words of another for the purpose of ridicule. Satire is a humorous artistic expression (such as a novel or essay) intended to attack folly, stupidity or vice. It can employ a number of types of humor, including sarcasm, irony and wit. On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:48 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 12/26/2013 11:14 AM, authfriend@... wrote: Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. Oh, so now it's irony instead of a parody? parody: a. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature. b. The genre of literature comprising such works. 2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
No, Share, I don't keep track or rank them. But I don't think I've ever laughed so hard or so long at the abject cluelessness of one of your posts. (This was just your clueless posts, BTW, not anyone else's. Yours are in a class by themselves. And this one almost rises to the level of the last one. Keep 'em coming, OK?) Judy, your previous post indicates that you are keeping track of posts you think are clueless and you're ranking them! I admit it makes me wonder about your mental situation. On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:19 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: I don't know whether anyone's keeping track, Share. Would it make you anxious if they were? After all, you'd only be competing with yourself. Is someone keeping track?! That seems pretty clueless to me! On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:12 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: This is probably the funniest (i.e., most clueless) post Share has ever made. from yahoo answers: Irony is probably one of the great misused words of our generation. In its pure form it requires the speaker to say one thing and mean another, and also requires at least one person present to believe that the speaker means what he says and at least one who knows otherwise. Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of one party that hearing shall hear and shall not understand, and another party that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more and of the outsiders' incomprehension. -- Fowler's Modern English Usage. Parody is imitation of the written or spoken words of another for the purpose of ridicule. Satire is a humorous artistic expression (such as a novel or essay) intended to attack folly, stupidity or vice. It can employ a number of types of humor, including sarcasm, irony and wit. On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:48 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 12/26/2013 11:14 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. Oh, so now it's irony instead of a parody? parody: a. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature. b. The genre of literature comprising such works. 2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
If their conversation was, as Judy and Robin claim, a spoof, then both
Judy and Robin stand self-condemned. Most readers here take these
messages at face value, as being true. If Judy and Robin are spoofing
us, then they stand as two of the biggest FFL fibbers of all time. All
true spoofs are false, even if effective. If it was not a spoof, it
stands on it's own as a condemnation of Ms Stein.
Either way, it's lesson in the amount of deception a person can stoop to
in order to deceive - it's trickery. If it was a spoof, that makes Robin
look like the trickster he really is and has been for a long time.
Gullible students may have fallen for his tricks in the past, but Robin
may have hoisted himself on his own petard with this post. Go figure.
On 12/26/2013 11:38 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, authfriend@... wrote:
You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed
Judy to the wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is
a parody, then a monkey is flying out of my butt. Go figure.
I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a
parody. Go figure. I even have it documented in a private email. Go
figure some more.
Whoops, watch out for the monkeys flying out of Richard's butt!
They're pelting him with poo, but they're laughing so hard at him that
their aim is a bit off. You don't want to get in the line of fire.
Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. We were
pretty pleased with ourselves, I must confess.
*
*
*Yes, it was one of the first times that he really had a good chuckle
with me about this conversation between you two. He thought it was
bloody hilarious and I don't really think he imagined for a moment
that anyone would take it seriously. However, he didn't care what
anyone believed, I don't think, he just was having far too much fun
with you on this one. I don't think he realized how irony challenged
many people are at FFL or even how they would be willing to, at any
opportunity, use the seeming ambiguity of whether or not it was irony,
to some silly advantage to win an argument.*
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
As Richard himself admitted in post #368186 yesterday, nothing he says is to be
taken seriously.
If their conversation was, as Judy and Robin claim, a spoof, then both
Judy and Robin stand self-condemned. Most readers here take these messages at
face value, as being true. If Judy and Robin are spoofing us, then they stand
as two of the biggest FFL fibbers of all time. All true spoofs are false, even
if effective. If it was not a spoof, it stands on it's own as a condemnation of
Ms Stein.
Either way, it's lesson in the amount of deception a person can stoop to in
order to deceive - it's trickery. If it was a spoof, that makes Robin look like
the trickster he really is and has been for a long time. Gullible students may
have fallen for his tricks in the past, but Robin may have hoisted himself on
his own petard with this post. Go figure.
On 12/26/2013 11:38 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@...
wrote:
You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the
wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey
is flying out of my butt. Go figure.
I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a parody. Go
figure. I even have it documented in a private email. Go figure some more.
Whoops, watch out for the monkeys flying out of Richard's butt! They're
pelting him with poo, but they're laughing so hard at him that their aim is a
bit off. You don't want to get in the line of fire.
Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. We were pretty
pleased with ourselves, I must confess.
Yes, it was one of the first times that he really had a good chuckle with me
about this conversation between you two. He thought it was bloody hilarious and
I don't really think he imagined for a moment that anyone would take it
seriously. However, he didn't care what anyone believed, I don't think, he just
was having far too much fun with you on this one. I don't think he realized how
irony challenged many people are at FFL or even how they would be willing to,
at any opportunity, use the seeming ambiguity of whether or not it was irony,
to some silly advantage to win an argument.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
Perhaps this is one of those cases of irony we have missed here, and therefore, we should be deadly serious about what Richard says. Irony is best used in small doses, Robin's use of irony was quite extensive, and basically used as a tool for manipulation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
Oh, here you go, Share. Xeno just gave you a freebie. Make the most of it, OK? Perhaps this is one of those cases of irony we have missed here, and therefore, we should be deadly serious about what Richard says. Irony is best used in small doses, Robin's use of irony was quite extensive, and basically used as a tool for manipulation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, sharelong60@... wrote:
Judy, your previous post indicates that you are keeping track of posts you
think are clueless and you're ranking them! I admit it makes me wonder about
your mental situation.
Yes, I would have to question this as well, Sharon. I mean, out of all of the
clueless, stupid, insipid, inane, helpless-little-girl posts that you write
here how she can rank them is beyond me. I have to side with you on this one.
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:19 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@...
wrote:
I don't know whether anyone's keeping track, Share. Would it make you
anxious if they were? After all, you'd only be competing with yourself.
Is someone keeping track?! That seems pretty clueless to me!
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:12 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@...
wrote:
This is probably the funniest (i.e., most clueless) post Share has ever made.
from yahoo answers: Irony is probably one of the great misused words of our
generation. In its pure form it requires the speaker to say one thing and mean
another, and also requires at least one person present to believe that the
speaker means what he says and at least one who knows otherwise.
Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of
one party that hearing shall hear and shall not understand, and another party
that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more and of
the outsiders' incomprehension.
-- Fowler's Modern English Usage.
Parody is imitation of the written or spoken words of another for the purpose
of ridicule.
Satire is a humorous artistic expression (such as a novel or essay) intended
to attack folly, stupidity or vice. It can employ a number of types of humor,
including sarcasm, irony and wit.
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:48 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@...
wrote:
On 12/26/2013 11:14 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private.
Oh, so now it's irony instead of a parody?
parody:
a. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an
author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature.
b. The genre of literature comprising such works.
2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty:
The trial was a parody of justice.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, punditster@... wrote:
If their conversation was, as Judy and Robin claim, a spoof, then both Judy
and Robin stand self-condemned. Most readers here take these messages at face
value, as being true. If Judy and Robin are spoofing us, then they stand as two
of the biggest FFL fibbers of all time. All true spoofs are false, even if
effective. If it was not a spoof, it stands on it's own as a condemnation of Ms
Stein.
Only fools can be fooled in the way you have. Get a grip and take
responsibility for your disability when it comes to recognizing farce when you
see it. Judy and Robin were having a great time. Just because you got sucked
into believing it was serious, that is your problem and remains your problem
and now I know you are challenged in all sorts of ways. The more you post, and
you are posting plenty, the more disabled you appear. So keep 'em comin'
because you're only looking stupider by the minute.
Either way, it lesson in the amount of deception a person can stoop to in
order to deceive - it's trickery. If it was a spoof, that makes Robin look like
the trickster he really is and has been for a long time. Gullible students may
have fallen for his tricks in the past, but Robin may have hoisted himself on
his own petard with this post. Go figure.
You go figure. You seem to have lots to figure out. It is easy to blame others
for your own cluelessness but it doesn't take away from the fact that you're an
idiot. Now, have you got any more monkeys that are trying to claw their way out
of their ass?
On 12/26/2013 11:38 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@...
wrote:
You can pretty much tell how much this post of Robin's nailed Judy to the
wall, by the lack of a reply by Ms Stein. If this is a parody, then a monkey
is flying out of my butt. Go figure.
I have it right from the horse's mouth (Robin's) that this was a parody. Go
figure. I even have it documented in a private email. Go figure some more.
Whoops, watch out for the monkeys flying out of Richard's butt! They're
pelting him with poo, but they're laughing so hard at him that their aim is a
bit off. You don't want to get in the line of fire.
Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private. We were pretty
pleased with ourselves, I must confess.
Yes, it was one of the first times that he really had a good chuckle with me
about this conversation between you two. He thought it was bloody hilarious and
I don't really think he imagined for a moment that anyone would take it
seriously. However, he didn't care what anyone believed, I don't think, he just
was having far too much fun with you on this one. I don't think he realized how
irony challenged many people are at FFL or even how they would be willing to,
at any opportunity, use the seeming ambiguity of whether or not it was irony,
to some silly advantage to win an argument.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, anartaxius@... wrote:
Perhaps this is one of those cases of irony we have missed here, and
therefore, we should be deadly serious about what Richard says. Irony is best
used in small doses, Robin's use of irony was quite extensive, and basically
used as a tool for manipulation.
Yes, yes. Deadly serious. OK, I am serious now. No smiling, no laughing. I am
ready. Now what?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, authfriend@... wrote:
Oh, here you go, Share. Xeno just gave you a freebie. Make the most of it, OK?
Perhaps this is one of those cases of irony we have missed here, and
therefore, we should be deadly serious about what Richard says. Irony is best
used in small doses, Robin's use of irony was quite extensive, and basically
used as a tool for manipulation.
She can't, Xeno didn't leave enough white spaces for her to give her eyes a
rest. But I'll do it for her, ok dokey Sharon?
Sharon might gasp:
Ewww Xeno, really? Well, you know I was PR'ed by him once and now, to think
he is using irony on me in large doses - WHAT AM I GOING TO DO? Please help me
Xeno. I feel so exposed, so ransacked, so violated. I need Ricky and Steve and
Festivus and I need them right now. Help me boys. I am desperate, my pitta is
positively vitiated, I am done for.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Revelation and Conversion
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, authfriend@... wrote:
No, Share, I don't keep track or rank them. But I don't think I've ever
laughed so hard or so long at the abject cluelessness of one of your posts.
(This was just your clueless posts, BTW, not anyone else's. Yours are in a
class by themselves. And this one almost rises to the level of the last one.
Keep 'em coming, OK?)
Oh, she will. She can't do anything but.
Judy, your previous post indicates that you are keeping track of posts you
think are clueless and you're ranking them! I admit it makes me wonder about
your mental situation.
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:19 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@...
wrote:
I don't know whether anyone's keeping track, Share. Would it make you
anxious if they were? After all, you'd only be competing with yourself.
Is someone keeping track?! That seems pretty clueless to me!
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:12 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@...
wrote:
This is probably the funniest (i.e., most clueless) post Share has ever made.
from yahoo answers: Irony is probably one of the great misused words of our
generation. In its pure form it requires the speaker to say one thing and mean
another, and also requires at least one person present to believe that the
speaker means what he says and at least one who knows otherwise.
Irony is a form of utterance that postulates a double audience, consisting of
one party that hearing shall hear and shall not understand, and another party
that, when more is meant than meets the ear, is aware both of that more and of
the outsiders' incomprehension.
-- Fowler's Modern English Usage.
Parody is imitation of the written or spoken words of another for the purpose
of ridicule.
Satire is a humorous artistic expression (such as a novel or essay) intended
to attack folly, stupidity or vice. It can employ a number of types of humor,
including sarcasm, irony and wit.
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:48 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@...
wrote:
On 12/26/2013 11:14 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
Robin and I called that exchange our irony duel in private.
Oh, so now it's irony instead of a parody?
parody:
a. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an
author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature.
b. The genre of literature comprising such works.
2. Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty:
The trial was a parody of justice.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parody
[FairfieldLife] Re: Revelation and Conversion
I understand L B is doing fine working as an English teacher in Red China. He was always a great teacher. He is well employed doing that now. He comes back to Fairfield every once in a while. L B is one of my earliest friends around TM going back to the starting days of TM in Iowa. He is an old TM teacher, and early student at MIU and was first student body president at MIU. He had a good perspective. He was actually born here in Jefferson County. An Iowan. Someone told me that they were talking to a President's Office adversary of L B's a little while ago and the nemisis asked after LB. It was explained that LB had buried the hatchet (with the President's Office). The President's Office guy responded wryly, Yeah, pretty deep. -Buck Just for the record, excerpts from two posts from December 2002 from LB Shriver, mentioned here as one of the great posters: To dismiss someone's experience the way you have and say that it means 'nothing' is just the mark of someone who is too prejudiced or too lazy to research an opinion that others could regard as worthy of consideration. Good luck getting people to take your other work seriously if this is the best you can do in a discussion with your peers.--#3165 ...Your posts have repeatedly shown your lack of interest in healing and softness. Your predictable response is usually an ad hominem attact in which you assert with emphatic certainty that those who do not share your views are churlish misanthropes; immature, less-evolved losers; thought-criminals and terrorists who for some reason are intent on destroying the world's only hope for peace and happiness.--#3312 Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, eh?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Revelation and Conversion
Yes, I hear you on Bruch - it was excellent in person. After a standing ovation that wouldn't stop, he did this piece for an encore - also better seen in person :). I had never heard Ysaye before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKEIxa7RZ_Efeature=related From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Revelation and Conversion --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Within the week this was composed, and after reading it several times, each time wearing a different pair of multi-colored glasses, I must say that this exchange is the epitome of FFL loveliness. Â *So* well constructed, that even if the names were changed to protect the innocent, it is still brilliantly comedic and otherworldly and worldly all at the same time. Wow, thank you. My week off from FFL started with an absolute *fit* of joyful laughter. 'Twas all worth it, then. SO glad to see you back. Watch your post count this week, please! Things tend to go to pot after a few days when you aren't around, especially now that Ravi's no longer here. The necessary clean-up can be very entertaining and even enlightening, but it ain't as joyful. I was at a Seattle symphony event this week - Joshua Bell was visiting and played the solo for this orchestral piece. Bruch has never been one of my favorites, but I don't think I'd ever heard this piece. I liked it a lot, thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Revelation and Conversion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Yes, I hear you on Bruch - it was excellent in person.  After a standing ovation that wouldn't stop, he did this piece for an encore - also better seen in person :).  I had never heard Ysaye before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKEIxa7RZ_Efeature=related Oh, zowie! That's a VERY neat piece. I'd never heard *of* Ysaye, much less heard any of his compositions. Have to check 'em out. Just for fun, here's Ysaye himself playing Brahms's Hungarian Dance No. 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpf4_aDR5Bg Very old, scratchy recording, but the originality of his playing is striking. Not easy to accompany, but the pianist manages. ;-) From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Revelation and Conversion  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Within the week this was composed, and after reading it several times, each time wearing a different pair of multi-colored glasses, I must say that this exchange is the epitome of FFL loveliness. à*So* well constructed, that even if the names were changed to protect the innocent, it is still brilliantly comedic and otherworldly and worldly all at the same time. Wow, thank you.  My week off from FFL started with an absolute *fit* of joyful laughter. 'Twas all worth it, then. SO glad to see you back. Watch your post count this week, please! Things tend to go to pot after a few days when you aren't around, especially now that Ravi's no longer here. The necessary clean-up can be very entertaining and even enlightening, but it ain't as joyful. I was at a Seattle symphony event this week - Joshua Bell was visiting and played the solo for this orchestral piece. Bruch has never been one of my favorites, but I don't think I'd ever heard this piece. I liked it a lot, thanks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Revelation and Conversion
Fun, and yes, the piano manages, barely :) Nice pics in the video. I listened to parts of all six of Ysaye's violin solo's and think No. 2 was the most accessible, so to speak. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Revelation and Conversion --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Yes, I hear you on Bruch - it was excellent in person.  After a standing ovation that wouldn't stop, he did this piece for an encore - also better seen in person :).  I had never heard Ysaye before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKEIxa7RZ_Efeature=related Oh, zowie! That's a VERY neat piece. I'd never heard *of* Ysaye, much less heard any of his compositions. Have to check 'em out. Just for fun, here's Ysaye himself playing Brahms's Hungarian Dance No. 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpf4_aDR5Bg Very old, scratchy recording, but the originality of his playing is striking. Not easy to accompany, but the pianist manages. ;-) From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Revelation and Conversion  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Within the week this was composed, and after reading it several times, each time wearing a different pair of multi-colored glasses, I must say that this exchange is the epitome of FFL loveliness.  *So* well constructed, that even if the names were changed to protect the innocent, it is still brilliantly comedic and otherworldly and worldly all at the same time. Wow, thank you.  My week off from FFL started with an absolute *fit* of joyful laughter. 'Twas all worth it, then. SO glad to see you back. Watch your post count this week, please! Things tend to go to pot after a few days when you aren't around, especially now that Ravi's no longer here. The necessary clean-up can be very entertaining and even enlightening, but it ain't as joyful. I was at a Seattle symphony event this week - Joshua Bell was visiting and played the solo for this orchestral piece. Bruch has never been one of my favorites, but I don't think I'd ever heard this piece. I liked it a lot, thanks.
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Within the week this was composed, and after reading it several times, each time wearing a different pair of multi-colored glasses, I must say that this exchange is the epitome of FFL loveliness. *So* well constructed, that even if the names were changed to protect the innocent, it is still brilliantly comedic and otherworldly and worldly all at the same time. My week off from FFL started with an absolute *fit* of joyful laughter. I was at a Seattle symphony event this week - Joshua Bell was visiting and played the solo for this orchestral piece. The first movement, for all its violinistic diablerie, is tinged with an undercurrent of melancholy assuaged by its abundant melodic charm. It begins with a virtual dialogue between the soloist and the orchestra before the virtuosic side of the music is given its ample moment. - Seattle Symphony program http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jASjfzFNUUU Whew! If the violin/orchestra doesn't bring joy to one's heart (it can be an acquired taste), there is always this favorite tune from the *Spinners*. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPl68mhgxbM Thank you Robin and Judy for this...and the follow-up conversation was pretty fantabulous as well. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 5:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Revelation and Conversion Traitor. Turncoat. After working with me for 17 years now to discredit Barry, staying discreetly behind the scenes until just recently, you've decided to switch sides. Or were you on his side all along, acting as a double agent, setting me up for this odious betrayal? That was the plan all along, wasn't it? It all becomes clear to me now. Your masters trained you well in the art of deception; I never suspected. But it hardly matters. The damage you've done with this post is well-nigh irreparable. Almost two decades of exhausting labor to counter everything Barry says, even what he says outside the context of TM, everything his *allies* say, straight down the tubes. I imagine you're pretty proud of yourself right about now. For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated. Yes, you've bloody well made sure of that, haven't you? Barry is the martyr here. No, *Judy* is the martyr here. But her blood, her sweat, her toil, her unswerving devotion to the cause, will not go unavenged. Enjoy your moment of triumph, for it will not, it cannot last. Would you even just for the sake of how much I have defended you in the past, think about what I have said here? Yes, I most certainly will think about it. And so will others, the Others for whom I've been tirelessly working, whose power is more vast than you dream. You may be certain they've taken note of your perfidy, and there will be, not a reconciliation, as you so fondly imagine, but a showdown and a reckoning. Your masters have overreached themselves and in so doing wrought their own destruction. Count on it...and tremble. OR (your choice): I grovel here before you, the bitter dust of humiliation filling my mouth as I struggle to formulate the words of my repentance. There are none so blind as those who will not see. That was me, right up until the moment I read this post. I am still blinded, but now by the light, the blessed light of Truth. I dare not hope for reconciliation; my sins have been too great for that. I can only pray that those whom I have so grievously misled through my own hubris will understand and accept what you have laid out before them at such personal cost and repudiate the Cult of Judy. For it is dead; Robin has slain it. Robin, I cannot express my boundless gratitude for the selflessness of the holy work you have just accomplished here. In the pain with which it has seared my very soul may others find sweet release. Now let us all together, cleansed of our hatred and joined in our determination to march forth into sanctified renewal, repeat the beautiful prayer the Devoted Brother Vaj has composed for us on this awesome occasion: Hail Barry, full of Grace, Blessed be the fruit of his thumbs. Can I get an -MEN? Hallelujah! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accept—even tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Within the week this was composed, and after reading it several times, each time wearing a different pair of multi-colored glasses, I must say that this exchange is the epitome of FFL loveliness. Â *So* well constructed, that even if the names were changed to protect the innocent, it is still brilliantly comedic and otherworldly and worldly all at the same time. Wow, thank you. My week off from FFL started with an absolute *fit* of joyful laughter. 'Twas all worth it, then. SO glad to see you back. Watch your post count this week, please! Things tend to go to pot after a few days when you aren't around, especially now that Ravi's no longer here. The necessary clean-up can be very entertaining and even enlightening, but it ain't as joyful. I was at a Seattle symphony event this week - Joshua Bell was visiting and played the solo for this orchestral piece. Bruch has never been one of my favorites, but I don't think I'd ever heard this piece. I liked it a lot, thanks.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Traitor. Turncoat. J: After working with me for 17 years now to discredit Barry, staying discreetly behind the scenes until just recently, you've decided to switch sides. R: I am sorry, Judy, but Saul was sincere in his persecution of those Christians too; but after Christ struck him down, he just could no longer play the part. And I feel the same way about Barry and his gang. Besides, it was getting hard to be Just parroting Judy. I am surprised though, Judy, you would reveal this information about my prior association with you before I started posting at FFL. But I will take this as your need to express your hurt that I should turn on you like this. Still, I think it was imprudent of you to do this. But the damage is done, and we must live with it. J: Or were you on his side all along, acting as a double agent, setting me up for this odious betrayal? R: No no no, Judy. I did not anticipate this odious betrayalit is not odious by the way; my conversion came about through a very real revelation. Just like Saul. Now you hate Paul, but it's too late, Judy. It would be an odious betrayal if I returned to hating Barry. I don't hate Barry, Judy; and if you knew what satisfaction and benefaction I derive from loving Barryand knowing he was right all alongyou would perhaps think the unthinkable and step up to that precipice of glory to join me. J: That was the plan all along, wasn't it? R: You are getting carried away here, Judy. This is what I call contamination of first person ontology such that what you end up saying is reckless and irresponsible. For Christ sake, don't become paranoid, Judy. You will recover; it is only a matter of time. But I categorically deny what you say here: there was no goddamn plan, Judy*and you know it*. J: It all becomes clear to me now. Your masters trained you well in the art of deception; I never suspected. R: For God's sake, get a grip, Judy. You are embarrassing yourself here. I had no masters. And you do me an injustice to talk about the art of deception. Just like with my enlightenment, I was deceived about Barryyou may have had something to do with this, after all. Becoming de-enlightened was equivalent to realizing that Barry was beautiful, and you, Judy, a bitter woman. Stop this ranting, Judy. Do you want to disgrace your good nameat least among those who I am sure even with this revelation of mine still want to remain loyal to youif only just to support you psychologically? J: But it hardly matters. The damage you've done with this post is well-nigh irreparable. Almost two decades of exhausting labor to counter everything Barry says, even what he says outside the context of TM, everything his *allies* say, straight down the tubes. R: I think you are exaggerating here, Judy. You were wrong all those years about Barry; your efforts were wasted. But for all that, no one has ever questioned your sincerity*. And I don't here in realizing that Barry was right. I even think that perhaps once Barry accepts fully my fidelity to himI will have to prove this by going cold-turkey on the irony fronthe may even reach out to you. In forgiveness for your having persecuted him unjustly and only out the unloveliness of your personal life. Believe me, Judy, all this bleating and hand wringing will end once some of the grace which invaded me yesterday touches you. And it is bound to. Then you will relish the opportunity to make reparation [You see you were wrong about this, Raunchydog]. Barry is a good person, Judy: *You* drove him to act in the way he acted. And his response to you has always been appropriate. Of course I never realized this before my Road to Damascus experience; but afterwards, it couldn't be clearer to me that Barry has handled you always with a certain moral dexterity and intellectual adroitnessyou have just been too hardened in your heart to see this. But it is true, dear Judy; poor Judy; pitiable Judy. Good, best Karma Steve will vouch for all that I say here. J:I imagine you're pretty proud of yourself right about now. For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated. R: Yeah, Judy, I admit it:I am glad to be on the right side. The vindication, it is imminent. J: Yes, you've bloody well made sure of that, haven't you? R: Yes, my clean and bountiful heart, once it has committed itself to a certain person becomes an engine of righteousness and justice on behalf of that person. Now I have never loved before, but the way I love and respect Barry now, it means the opportunity for the entire universe to get behind this conversion of mine. And of course this must mean, it does mean, it will mean, vindication, Judy. I can only pray to God Almighty that you will be able to go through this purgatorial fire. J: Barry is the martyr here. R: You have said it. J: No, *Judy* is the martyr here. But her blood, her sweat, her toil, her
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My theory on Dr. Pete is that some people took offense at his remarks, and he took some heat in his professional life because of it... Vaj: That might have been part of it, but I see Peter's loss more in terms of 'enlightenment integrity'... Get a grip, Vaj - they're talking about you!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: J: There are none so blind as those who will not see. That was me, right up until the moment I read this post. R: I must admit to some confusion. Am I to suppose you conceived of this choice after releasing all that pent-up hatred and resentment in the first part of this post? But I am going to trust you here, Judythat you are not playing some cynical game. I will (once again) ask Steve's advice about this: he will know whether you are being true or not. He always does. Don't know Robin. Don't know. I tend to take people at their word. We haven't heard from Judy since her original post. She may still be consulting with the Others about how to proceed.
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For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated... authfriend: Hail Barry, full of Grace, Blessed be the fruit of his thumbs... Barry is going to have to demonstrate more than words here in order to convince me that he is enlightened! LoL! And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the Tree of Life, and eat, and live for ever... therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden... (Genesis 3:22-3)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Traitor. Turncoat. J: After working with me for 17 years now to discredit Barry, staying discreetly behind the scenes until just recently, you've decided to switch sides. R: I am sorry, Judy, but Saul was sincere in his persecution of those Christians too; but after Christ struck him down, he just could no longer play the part. And I feel the same way about Barry and his gang. Besides, it was getting hard to be Just parroting Judy. I am surprised though, Judy, you would reveal this information about my prior association with you before I started posting at FFL. But I will take this as your need to express your hurt that I should turn on you like this. Still, I think it was imprudent of you to do this. But the damage is done, and we must live with it. J: Or were you on his side all along, acting as a double agent, setting me up for this odious betrayal? R: No no no, Judy. I did not anticipate this odious betrayalit is not odious by the way; my conversion came about through a very real revelation. Just like Saul. Now you hate Paul, but it's too late, Judy. It would be an odious betrayal if I returned to hating Barry. I don't hate Barry, Judy; and if you knew what satisfaction and benefaction I derive from loving Barryand knowing he was right all alongyou would perhaps think the unthinkable and step up to that precipice of glory to join me. J: That was the plan all along, wasn't it? R: You are getting carried away here, Judy. This is what I call contamination of first person ontology such that what you end up saying is reckless and irresponsible. For Christ sake, don't become paranoid, Judy. You will recover; it is only a matter of time. But I categorically deny what you say here: there was no goddamn plan, Judy*and you know it*. J: It all becomes clear to me now. Your masters trained you well in the art of deception; I never suspected. R: For God's sake, get a grip, Judy. You are embarrassing yourself here. I had no masters. And you do me an injustice to talk about the art of deception. Just like with my enlightenment, I was deceived about Barryyou may have had something to do with this, after all. Becoming de-enlightened was equivalent to realizing that Barry was beautiful, and you, Judy, a bitter woman. Stop this ranting, Judy. Do you want to disgrace your good nameat least among those who I am sure even with this revelation of mine still want to remain loyal to youif only just to support you psychologically? J: But it hardly matters. The damage you've done with this post is well-nigh irreparable. Almost two decades of exhausting labor to counter everything Barry says, even what he says outside the context of TM, everything his *allies* say, straight down the tubes. R: I think you are exaggerating here, Judy. You were wrong all those years about Barry; your efforts were wasted. But for all that, no one has ever questioned your sincerity*. And I don't here in realizing that Barry was right. I even think that perhaps once Barry accepts fully my fidelity to himI will have to prove this by going cold-turkey on the irony fronthe may even reach out to you. In forgiveness for your having persecuted him unjustly and only out the unloveliness of your personal life. Believe me, Judy, all this bleating and hand wringing will end once some of the grace which invaded me yesterday touches you. And it is bound to. Then you will relish the opportunity to make reparation [You see you were wrong about this, Raunchydog]. Barry is a good person, Judy: *You* drove him to act in the way he acted. And his response to you has always been appropriate. Of course I never realized this before my Road to Damascus experience; but afterwards, it couldn't be clearer to me that Barry has handled you always with a certain moral dexterity and intellectual adroitnessyou have just been too hardened in your heart to see this. But it is true, dear Judy; poor Judy; pitiable Judy. Good, best Karma Steve will vouch for all that I say here. J:I imagine you're pretty proud of yourself right about now. For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated. R: Yeah, Judy, I admit it:I am glad to be on the right side. The vindication, it is imminent. J: Yes, you've bloody well made sure of that, haven't you? R: Yes, my clean and bountiful heart, once it has committed itself to a certain person becomes an engine of righteousness and justice on behalf of that person. Now I have never loved before, but the way I love and respect Barry now, it means the opportunity for the entire universe to get behind this conversion of mine. And of course this must mean, it does mean, it will mean, vindication, Judy. I can only pray to God Almighty that you will be able
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seventhray1: We haven't heard from Judy since her original post. She may still be consulting with the Others about how to proceed. So, it's all about Judy. R: I must admit to some confusion. Am I to suppose you conceived of this choice after releasing all that pent-up hatred and resentment in the first part of this post? But I am going to trust you here, Judythat you are not playing some cynical game. I will (once again) ask Steve's advice about this: he will know whether you are being true or not. He always does.
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It really does remind me of that line in the Mass: Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world. This is the Amsterdam experience, and the disciples of Barry have downplayed it almost deceivingly... Susan: The Amsterdam Experience. Really funny, really good, Robin. Frankly, I vote this whole post (yes, I actually read it) the Funniest Post of the last few years... To bad Barry won't ever read it, since Robin is on Barry's enemies list. LoL! Schadenfreude is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: It really does remind me of that line in the Mass: Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world. This is the Amsterdam experience, and the disciples of Barry have downplayed it almost deceivingly... Susan: The Amsterdam Experience. Really funny, really good, Robin. Frankly, I vote this whole post (yes, I actually read it) the Funniest Post of the last few years... To bad Barry won't ever read it, since Robin is on Barry's enemies list. LoL! Just to clarify, I found it funny as someone who is very glad indeed that Barry is here on FFL. I doubt Barry has an enemies list - more likely a list of people he avoids reading for various reasons of his own. Calling it an enemies list only fuels the faux fire, right? Schadenfreude is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: I doubt Barry has an enemies list - more likely a list of people he avoids reading for various reasons of his own. It's more like mindfulness heads-up notices. Like when you're playing some interactive video game and over time you notice that your evolution rating in the right-hand column goes down every time you interface with certain characters, and you learn to avoid them. :-) Calling it an enemies list only fuels the faux fire, right? I really like faux fire. That's pretty much it.
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LOL..this is fucking hilarious, Susan Waybackward has no clue what Robin wrote. She figured Robin was praising Barry..LOL.. OMFG..look at the audience of my bitches Curtis and Barry, so fucking retarded. Thank you for the laughs Susan. Never be ashamed of your roots OK? Look at Steve he is never ashamed of his retardedness. Love, Ravi On Jan 7, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Susan waybac...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: It really does remind me of that line in the Mass: Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world. This is the Amsterdam experience, and the disciples of Barry have downplayed it almost deceivingly... Susan: The Amsterdam Experience. Really funny, really good, Robin. Frankly, I vote this whole post (yes, I actually read it) the Funniest Post of the last few years... To bad Barry won't ever read it, since Robin is on Barry's enemies list. LoL! Just to clarify, I found it funny as someone who is very glad indeed that Barry is here on FFL. I doubt Barry has an enemies list - more likely a list of people he avoids reading for various reasons of his own. Calling it an enemies list only fuels the faux fire, right? Schadenfreude is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
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Second scene now up, feste, glad you're enjoying it. But that'll be it for the time being, at least from me. You'll pick up some hints as to the identity of Robin's masters and the Others, but I didn't want to make things too explicit; and Robin, of course, is in denial (or pretends to be). At any rate, it's always a good idea to preserve some of the mystery to keep the groundlings intrigued. This time around may not be quite so Shakespearean, I'm afraid; it's a bit more down-to-earth. But we'll keep you informed of future developments. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Gosh, golly. This is serious stuff. It is shaping up as a Shakespearean play, a clash of mighty opposites. The next scene should be good. The audience must already be pondering the mysterious revelation below that authfriend has been working with MZ for 17 YEARS behind the scenes to discredit Barry. Can it be so? Really? And who, we absolutely must know, are the equally mysterious masters that MZ serves? And what about the capitalized Others for whom authfriend declares she is working? Who on earth might they be? And I thought all this time that FFL was just an Internet chat forum. Now I see it is a cloak-and-dagger tale of mighty forces, shifting alliances, outrageous betrayals, and turbulent passions. Perhaps there is a playwright behind all this, who is actually plotting a way for the reviled poster from Holland to regain lost ground and reign supreme, his enemies confounded and at his mercy. Will he choose magnanimity or revenge? We shall find out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Traitor. Turncoat. After working with me for 17 years now to discredit Barry, staying discreetly behind the scenes until just recently, you've decided to switch sides. Or were you on his side all along, acting as a double agent, setting me up for this odious betrayal? snip
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Ahhh, you are not sitting high enough up in the tree, Vaj. Move up a few branches. What you don't seem to understand is, this was once a great list, till Judy and her ilk showed up (no offense intended). Most of the great posters fled and never looked back. I've been here since the earliest days and it has always been a contentious forum, because people have strong views about TM, both for and against. I'm wondering who the great posters were who fled. Just for the record, excerpts from two posts from December 2002 from LB Shriver, mentioned here as one of the great posters: To dismiss someone's experience the way you have and say that it means 'nothing' is just the mark of someone who is too prejudiced or too lazy to research an opinion that others could regard as worthy of consideration. Good luck getting people to take your other work seriously if this is the best you can do in a discussion with your peers.--#3165 ...Your posts have repeatedly shown your lack of interest in healing and softness. Your predictable response is usually an ad hominem attact in which you assert with emphatic certainty that those who do not share your views are churlish misanthropes; immature, less-evolved losers; thought-criminals and terrorists who for some reason are intent on destroying the world's only hope for peace and happiness.--#3312 Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, eh?
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On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:42 AM, seventhray1 wrote: She may still be consulting with the Others about how to proceed. Perhaps our Dear Editor is a trance channeler?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB2gPZRsz0Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB2gPZRsz0Q --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: J1: Well, I don't have a whole lot of options here, now, do I? The Others are taking your defection out of MY hide. Do you think I'd go through this idiotic charade if that weren't what it took to get back in their good graces?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:42 AM, seventhray1 wrote: She may still be consulting with the Others about how to proceed. Perhaps our Dear Editor is a trance channeler? Something raw is coming thorugh in her posts right now, and I find it quite refresing. Like that that zazari underwear post. That was actually funny. Maybe something new will emerge.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:42 AM, seventhray1 wrote: She may still be consulting with the Others about how to proceed. Perhaps our Dear Editor is a trance channeler? Something raw is coming thorugh in her posts right now, and I find it quite refresing. Like that that zazari underwear post. That was actually funny. Maybe something new will emerge. Underwear and something new emerging, raw. The visual leaves the imagination very entertained with those words and mentioned above.
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Seriously? Hilarious mea culpa, Robin. http://youtu.be/vieAmYJQwtM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence. So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and Raunchydog), his judgment of me and my posts is valid as well. Now I would just ask the readers of FFLthose who have aligned themselves with Judy, with Robin, with the now departed Bob Price, with Jim and othersto reconsider their position, since for someone like myself to undergo a change of perception this significant, a change which I was determined would not and could not happen, suggests something very powerful at work here. You remember Saul persecuting the Christians and then being struck down on the Road to Damascus by Christ, and in the violence of his conversion becoming a fierce defender of Christ. Well, although I did not undergo quite as spectacular a transformation of belief, I think there are parallels here, and to the extent to which Saul became Paul, I have become a very different Robin. I don't say that Barry is Jesus or anything like that. That would be absurd. And even if I did think that Barry was Christ, I know he would only have contempt for such a view of him. So, no, I won't go that far. But I will say that in the main Barry has been right all along, and even his most vitriolic and bitter posts have been in the service of somehow forcing people to see what they, like me, were blind to. Well, I have been persuaded, and in a way which really means something, that Barry is the martyr here, and I can't tell you (although Steve perhaps has somewhat had the foretaste of such a sensationbut only very mildly) how much better I feel, not just in my heart, but in my conscience. I am not going to congratulate myself on what I have accomplished here in mortifying my pride and my sense of righteousness to bend the knee and reverse course in my judgment of this person, but I do think that this is a lesson to all of us: no matter how certain and convinced one is right about someonein this case Barrythere is always the possibility (as in the case of Saul) that one's position actually is in a contradictory relationship to reality, to truth,to the way things really are. This is undoubtedly the situation here. Barry in his posts has triumphed. And I am sorry to say this, but for Judy, Raunchydog, Bob Price, Jim and others not to see this, or at least not to consider this as a possibility, is nothing less than tragic. For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated. I can only pray that Judy will realize the importance of contemplating this painful truth when she resumes posting tonight. Judy, are you there? I beg you to consider what I have said here, that Barry is sincere and right in his perspectivenot just about you, but about meand for that matter anyone else at FFL who has determined that Barry is a negative character (at least in what can be known about him from his posts which are critical of other posters). For me, Judy, this process has been very liberating. And I wanted to share this revelation with you before you, very predictably, went on the attack, which I believe Barry, presciently, has anticipated will be what happens just as soon as we see that first post of yours. Judy, I think you an intelligent and well-meaning person; but Curtis and Barryand even to some extent, although less passionately, Stevehave identified what is wrong with you; and I think you must be courageous enough to finally examine yourself, since I, who until just now was one of your most loyal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Revelation and Conversion
Barry acts as an immovable object here when the BS level is up. But why leave FFL? Revelation, that is, insight into the nature of our experience, is one of the things that can happen here, especially if we are open to experience and meet some opposition. Any insight is not the final say, it is always a new beginning. After such a major turnaround you now want to run and hide? A deep insight has a gestation period as we settle into what happened to us. I for one am curious as to where this will lead you. Judy is sparkling, but I surmise she has some hidden anger which clouds the mind. There has been a lot of talk about damaged people here, with Barry usually listed as the number one casualty. I suspect we here are all damaged in some way, and the damage flows out of us onto these pages, and if we are fortunate, out of us and into the drain. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accept�even tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence. So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and Raunchydog), his judgment of me and my posts is valid as well. Now I would just ask the readers of FFL�those who have aligned themselves with Judy, with Robin, with the now departed Bob Price, with Jim and others�to reconsider their position, since for someone like myself to undergo a change of perception this significant, a change which I was determined would not and could not happen, suggests something very powerful at work here. You remember Saul persecuting the Christians and then being struck down on the Road to Damascus by Christ, and in the violence of his conversion becoming a fierce defender of Christ. Well, although I did not undergo quite as spectacular a transformation of belief, I think there are parallels here, and to the extent to which Saul became Paul, I have become a very different Robin. I don't say that Barry is Jesus or anything like that. That would be absurd. And even if I did think that Barry was Christ, I know he would only have contempt for such a view of him. So, no, I won't go that far. But I will say that in the main Barry has been right all along, and even his most vitriolic and bitter posts have been in the service of somehow forcing people to see what they, like me, were blind to. Well, I have been persuaded, and in a way which really means something, that Barry is the martyr here, and I can't tell you (although Steve perhaps has somewhat had the foretaste of such a sensation�but only very mildly) how much better I feel, not just in my heart, but in my conscience. I am not going to congratulate myself on what I have accomplished here in mortifying my pride and my sense of righteousness to bend the knee and reverse course in my judgment of this person, but I do think that this is a lesson to all of us: no matter how certain and convinced one is right about someone�in this case Barry�there is always the possibility (as in the case of Saul) that one's position actually is in a contradictory relationship to reality, to truth,�to the way things really are. This is undoubtedly the situation here. Barry in his posts has triumphed. And I am sorry to say this, but for Judy, Raunchydog, Bob Price, Jim and others not to see this, or at least not to consider this as a possibility, is nothing less than tragic. For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated. I can only pray that Judy will realize the importance of contemplating this painful truth when she resumes posting tonight. Judy, are you there? I beg you to consider what I have said here, that Barry is sincere and right in his perspective�not just
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Seriously? Hilarious mea culpa, Robin. http://youtu.be/vieAmYJQwtM HeHe :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence. So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and Raunchydog), his judgment of me and my posts is valid as well. Now I would just ask the readers of FFLthose who have aligned themselves with Judy, with Robin, with the now departed Bob Price, with Jim and othersto reconsider their position, since for someone like myself to undergo a change of perception this significant, a change which I was determined would not and could not happen, suggests something very powerful at work here. You remember Saul persecuting the Christians and then being struck down on the Road to Damascus by Christ, and in the violence of his conversion becoming a fierce defender of Christ. Well, although I did not undergo quite as spectacular a transformation of belief, I think there are parallels here, and to the extent to which Saul became Paul, I have become a very different Robin. I don't say that Barry is Jesus or anything like that. That would be absurd. And even if I did think that Barry was Christ, I know he would only have contempt for such a view of him. So, no, I won't go that far. But I will say that in the main Barry has been right all along, and even his most vitriolic and bitter posts have been in the service of somehow forcing people to see what they, like me, were blind to. Well, I have been persuaded, and in a way which really means something, that Barry is the martyr here, and I can't tell you (although Steve perhaps has somewhat had the foretaste of such a sensationbut only very mildly) how much better I feel, not just in my heart, but in my conscience. I am not going to congratulate myself on what I have accomplished here in mortifying my pride and my sense of righteousness to bend the knee and reverse course in my judgment of this person, but I do think that this is a lesson to all of us: no matter how certain and convinced one is right about someonein this case Barrythere is always the possibility (as in the case of Saul) that one's position actually is in a contradictory relationship to reality, to truth,to the way things really are. This is undoubtedly the situation here. Barry in his posts has triumphed. And I am sorry to say this, but for Judy, Raunchydog, Bob Price, Jim and others not to see this, or at least not to consider this as a possibility, is nothing less than tragic. For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated. I can only pray that Judy will realize the importance of contemplating this painful truth when she resumes posting tonight. Judy, are you there? I beg you to consider what I have said here, that Barry is sincere and right in his perspectivenot just about you, but about meand for that matter anyone else at FFL who has determined that Barry is a negative character (at least in what can be known about him from his posts which are critical of other posters). For me, Judy, this process has been very liberating. And I wanted to share this revelation with you before you, very predictably, went on the attack, which I believe Barry, presciently, has anticipated will be what happens just as soon as we see that first post of yours. Judy, I think you an intelligent and well-meaning person; but Curtis and Barryand even to some extent, although less passionately, Stevehave identified what is wrong with you; and I think you must be courageous enough to finally examine yourself, since I, who until just now was one of your most loyal supporters have undergone an extraordinary change of heart, and have
[FairfieldLife] Re: Revelation and Conversion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Ahhh, you are not sitting high enough up in the tree, Vaj. Move up a few branches. What you don't seem to understand is, this was once a great list, till Judy and her ilk showed up (no offense intended). Most of the great posters fled and never looked back. I've been here since the earliest days and it has always been a contentious forum, because people have strong views about TM, both for and against. I'm wondering who the great posters were who fled.
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Wow. I am blushing. For real. I like the concept that Robin brings up about testing one's beliefs against reality. I was raised Jewish, became new agey pretty early on. I married a devout Catholic women. It would seem on the outset that it might not be a good match. But it was an instance, (thank you for this word Ravi) where existence said, this is it. And after some adjustments we are going into our 21st year together. Three kids, (the first when she was 40, the third when she was 45), has been a blessing. Then running a small business where one interacts with the public and with a select group of your better customers, as well as your employees pretty demand that you keep in close touch with reality. So, thanks for you kind words Emily. Although no one usually perceives it, I am always thisclose to tears, and you've got me welling up a little. always provie--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Robin, FFL has so missed you!  You have been brought up many times.  I brought you up last night on the lists I was making.  Now, I had a problem with this list making.  So many people were on so many of the same lists.  There were a few names that also had an askerisk by them.  Yours was one. Now, in my eminently unqualified analysis, I would say the Steve is the most normal person on the forum, the one that lives closest to reality as experienced by the general public.  I appreciate Steve. Everyone else (and I include myself in that category at this point) - not so much.  I think Steve may have the best karma of all.  The rest of usnot so much.  Lifetimes of shit, man, lifetimes.  Even now departed Bob, young soul that he is - he must have built up a lot of karma in the few lifetimes he has been here.  This forum is cosmically funny.  And I mean that from where I'm perched half way up on one of the evergreen trees in my backyard.  This is why it is so imperative that you maintain a presence here.  Cosmic balance is necessary. Now first of all, what would this forum do without Judy?  Like yourself, her presence is required to maintain cosmic balance.  Except, she doesn't withdraw; she puts herself on the front lines every day.  I appreciate that about Judy.  She shows up - I would miss her terribly if she left. And second, like Judy, you are a master.  There are others here, but I only mention Judy today.  I so appreciated reading the piece on you in Rory's autobiography.  Judy, if you haven't read this, it is (wait, let me move up a few branches) cosmically funny.  Robin, thank god you are here.  Really now.  Believe me when I say this because I have never been more serious about anything in my whole life. Unenlightend, de-enlightened, enlightened (because without realizing it, you are still enlightened) - your MO is completely consistent across all your state's of being.  Thank you for that.  I appreciate that about you.  And, I don't even have to read your posts out  loud anymore, I am learning so much here. For Barry, let me just say that If you smile at me, I will understand, cause that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language - Crosby Still Nash This forum has mind-fucked me better than anything recently, which is why I keep laughing.  I am just barely smart enough to realize my situation.  I need a good fuck once in a while.  From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 6:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Revelation and Conversion In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to acceptâeven tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence. So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and
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On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:35 PM, feste37 wrote: I'm wondering who the great posters were who fled. That's a good question.
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LB Shriver was a great poster and a really informed guy. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Ahhh, you are not sitting high enough up in the tree, Vaj. Move up a few branches. What you don't seem to understand is, this was once a great list, till Judy and her ilk showed up (no offense intended). Most of the great posters fled and never looked back. I've been here since the earliest days and it has always been a contentious forum, because people have strong views about TM, both for and against. I'm wondering who the great posters were who fled.
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In clarification: it's not my intent to say that LB stopped posting because of anyone's posting on FFL; only that LB was one of the finest posters in the past. I believe he stopped because he had other interests that he wanted to pursue. Dr. Pete was also a great poster. I'm not sure why he stopped. Anyway, the question got me thinking, too. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: LB Shriver was a great poster and a really informed guy. *** --- In FairfieldLife@.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Ahhh, you are not sitting high enough up in the tree, Vaj. Move up a few branches. What you don't seem to understand is, this was once a great list, till Judy and her ilk showed up (no offense intended). Most of the great posters fled and never looked back. I've been here since the earliest days and it has always been a contentious forum, because people have strong views about TM, both for and against. I'm wondering who the great posters were who fled.
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Traitor. Turncoat. After working with me for 17 years now to discredit Barry, staying discreetly behind the scenes until just recently, you've decided to switch sides. Or were you on his side all along, acting as a double agent, setting me up for this odious betrayal? That was the plan all along, wasn't it? It all becomes clear to me now. Your masters trained you well in the art of deception; I never suspected. But it hardly matters. The damage you've done with this post is well-nigh irreparable. Almost two decades of exhausting labor to counter everything Barry says, even what he says outside the context of TM, everything his *allies* say, straight down the tubes. I imagine you're pretty proud of yourself right about now. For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated. Yes, you've bloody well made sure of that, haven't you? Barry is the martyr here. No, *Judy* is the martyr here. But her blood, her sweat, her toil, her unswerving devotion to the cause, will not go unavenged. Enjoy your moment of triumph, for it will not, it cannot last. Would you even just for the sake of how much I have defended you in the past, think about what I have said here? Yes, I most certainly will think about it. And so will others, the Others for whom I've been tirelessly working, whose power is more vast than you dream. You may be certain they've taken note of your perfidy, and there will be, not a reconciliation, as you so fondly imagine, but a showdown and a reckoning. Your masters have overreached themselves and in so doing wrought their own destruction. Count on it...and tremble. OR (your choice): I grovel here before you, the bitter dust of humiliation filling my mouth as I struggle to formulate the words of my repentance. There are none so blind as those who will not see. That was me, right up until the moment I read this post. I am still blinded, but now by the light, the blessed light of Truth. I dare not hope for reconciliation; my sins have been too great for that. I can only pray that those whom I have so grievously misled through my own hubris will understand and accept what you have laid out before them at such personal cost and repudiate the Cult of Judy. For it is dead; Robin has slain it. Robin, I cannot express my boundless gratitude for the selflessness of the holy work you have just accomplished here. In the pain with which it has seared my very soul may others find sweet release. Now let us all together, cleansed of our hatred and joined in our determination to march forth into sanctified renewal, repeat the beautiful prayer the Devoted Brother Vaj has composed for us on this awesome occasion: Hail Barry, full of Grace, Blessed be the fruit of his thumbs. Can I get an -MEN? Hallelujah! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence. So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and Raunchydog), his judgment of me and my posts is valid as well. Now I would just ask the readers of FFLthose who have aligned themselves with Judy, with Robin, with the now departed Bob Price, with Jim and othersto reconsider their position, since for someone like myself to undergo a change of perception this significant, a change which I was determined would not and could not happen, suggests something very powerful at work here. You remember Saul persecuting the Christians and then being struck down on the Road to Damascus by Christ, and in the violence of his conversion becoming a fierce defender of Christ. Well, although I did not undergo quite as spectacular a transformation of belief, I think there are
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Gosh, golly. This is serious stuff. It is shaping up as a Shakespearean play, a clash of mighty opposites. The next scene should be good. The audience must already be pondering the mysterious revelation below that authfriend has been working with MZ for 17 YEARS behind the scenes to discredit Barry. Can it be so? Really? And who, we absolutely must know, are the equally mysterious masters that MZ serves? And what about the capitalized Others for whom authfriend declares she is working? Who on earth might they be? And I thought all this time that FFL was just an Internet chat forum. Now I see it is a cloak-and-dagger tale of mighty forces, shifting alliances, outrageous betrayals, and turbulent passions. Perhaps there is a playwright behind all this, who is actually plotting a way for the reviled poster from Holland to regain lost ground and reign supreme, his enemies confounded and at his mercy. Will he choose magnanimity or revenge? We shall find out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Traitor. Turncoat. After working with me for 17 years now to discredit Barry, staying discreetly behind the scenes until just recently, you've decided to switch sides. Or were you on his side all along, acting as a double agent, setting me up for this odious betrayal? That was the plan all along, wasn't it? It all becomes clear to me now. Your masters trained you well in the art of deception; I never suspected. But it hardly matters. The damage you've done with this post is well-nigh irreparable. Almost two decades of exhausting labor to counter everything Barry says, even what he says outside the context of TM, everything his *allies* say, straight down the tubes. I imagine you're pretty proud of yourself right about now. For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated. Yes, you've bloody well made sure of that, haven't you? Barry is the martyr here. No, *Judy* is the martyr here. But her blood, her sweat, her toil, her unswerving devotion to the cause, will not go unavenged. Enjoy your moment of triumph, for it will not, it cannot last. Would you even just for the sake of how much I have defended you in the past, think about what I have said here? Yes, I most certainly will think about it. And so will others, the Others for whom I've been tirelessly working, whose power is more vast than you dream. You may be certain they've taken note of your perfidy, and there will be, not a reconciliation, as you so fondly imagine, but a showdown and a reckoning. Your masters have overreached themselves and in so doing wrought their own destruction. Count on it...and tremble. OR (your choice): I grovel here before you, the bitter dust of humiliation filling my mouth as I struggle to formulate the words of my repentance. There are none so blind as those who will not see. That was me, right up until the moment I read this post. I am still blinded, but now by the light, the blessed light of Truth. I dare not hope for reconciliation; my sins have been too great for that. I can only pray that those whom I have so grievously misled through my own hubris will understand and accept what you have laid out before them at such personal cost and repudiate the Cult of Judy. For it is dead; Robin has slain it. Robin, I cannot express my boundless gratitude for the selflessness of the holy work you have just accomplished here. In the pain with which it has seared my very soul may others find sweet release. Now let us all together, cleansed of our hatred and joined in our determination to march forth into sanctified renewal, repeat the beautiful prayer the Devoted Brother Vaj has composed for us on this awesome occasion: Hail Barry, full of Grace, Blessed be the fruit of his thumbs. Can I get an -MEN? Hallelujah! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accept�even tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an
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My theory on Dr. Pete is that some people took offense at his remarks, and he took some heat in his professional life because of it. A loss IMO for the denizens here. I could be really wrong about that, but it is one reason I consider it essential to respect people's privacy and not engage in slander. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: In clarification: it's not my intent to say that LB stopped posting because of anyone's posting on FFL; only that LB was one of the finest posters in the past. I believe he stopped because he had other interests that he wanted to pursue. Dr. Pete was also a great poster. I'm not sure why he stopped. Anyway, the question got me thinking, too. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: LB Shriver was a great poster and a really informed guy. *** --- In FairfieldLife@..., feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Ahhh, you are not sitting high enough up in the tree, Vaj. Move up a few branches. What you don't seem to understand is, this was once a great list, till Judy and her ilk showed up (no offense intended). Most of the great posters fled and never looked back. I've been here since the earliest days and it has always been a contentious forum, because people have strong views about TM, both for and against. I'm wondering who the great posters were who fled.
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Creve Coeur --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Traitor. Turncoat. After working with me for 17 years now to discredit Barry, staying discreetly behind the scenes until just recently, you've decided to switch sides. Or were you on his side all along, acting as a double agent, setting me up for this odious betrayal? That was the plan all along, wasn't it? It all becomes clear to me now. Your masters trained you well in the art of deception; I never suspected. But it hardly matters. The damage you've done with this post is well-nigh irreparable. Almost two decades of exhausting labor to counter everything Barry says, even what he says outside the context of TM, everything his *allies* say, straight down the tubes. I imagine you're pretty proud of yourself right about now. For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated. Yes, you've bloody well made sure of that, haven't you? Barry is the martyr here. No, *Judy* is the martyr here. But her blood, her sweat, her toil, her unswerving devotion to the cause, will not go unavenged. Enjoy your moment of triumph, for it will not, it cannot last. Would you even just for the sake of how much I have defended you in the past, think about what I have said here? Yes, I most certainly will think about it. And so will others, the Others for whom I've been tirelessly working, whose power is more vast than you dream. You may be certain they've taken note of your perfidy, and there will be, not a reconciliation, as you so fondly imagine, but a showdown and a reckoning. Your masters have overreached themselves and in so doing wrought their own destruction. Count on it...and tremble. OR (your choice): I grovel here before you, the bitter dust of humiliation filling my mouth as I struggle to formulate the words of my repentance. There are none so blind as those who will not see. That was me, right up until the moment I read this post. I am still blinded, but now by the light, the blessed light of Truth. I dare not hope for reconciliation; my sins have been too great for that. I can only pray that those whom I have so grievously misled through my own hubris will understand and accept what you have laid out before them at such personal cost and repudiate the Cult of Judy. For it is dead; Robin has slain it. Robin, I cannot express my boundless gratitude for the selflessness of the holy work you have just accomplished here. In the pain with which it has seared my very soul may others find sweet release. Now let us all together, cleansed of our hatred and joined in our determination to march forth into sanctified renewal, repeat the beautiful prayer the Devoted Brother Vaj has composed for us on this awesome occasion: Hail Barry, full of Grace, Blessed be the fruit of his thumbs. Can I get an -MEN? Hallelujah! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence. So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and Raunchydog), his judgment of me and my posts is valid as well. Now I would just ask the readers of FFLthose who have aligned themselves with Judy, with Robin, with the now departed Bob Price, with Jim and othersto reconsider their position, since for someone like myself to undergo a change of perception this significant, a change which I was determined would not and could not happen, suggests something very powerful at work here. You remember Saul persecuting the Christians and then being struck down on the Road to Damascus by Christ, and in the violence of his conversion becoming a fierce defender of Christ. Well, although I did
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I hope, as you do Feste, we can we can get some insight into these weighty matters. In the meantime, someone better check on Judy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Gosh, golly. This is serious stuff. It is shaping up as a Shakespearean play, a clash of mighty opposites. The next scene should be good. The audience must already be pondering the mysterious revelation below that authfriend has been working with MZ for 17 YEARS behind the scenes to discredit Barry. Can it be so? Really? And who, we absolutely must know, are the equally mysterious masters that MZ serves? And what about the capitalized Others for whom authfriend declares she is working? Who on earth might they be? And I thought all this time that FFL was just an Internet chat forum. Now I see it is a cloak-and-dagger tale of mighty forces, shifting alliances, outrageous betrayals, and turbulent passions. Perhaps there is a playwright behind all this, who is actually plotting a way for the reviled poster from Holland to regain lost ground and reign supreme, his enemies confounded and at his mercy. Will he choose magnanimity or revenge? We shall find out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Traitor. Turncoat. After working with me for 17 years now to discredit Barry, staying discreetly behind the scenes until just recently, you've decided to switch sides. Or were you on his side all along, acting as a double agent, setting me up for this odious betrayal? That was the plan all along, wasn't it? It all becomes clear to me now. Your masters trained you well in the art of deception; I never suspected. But it hardly matters. The damage you've done with this post is well-nigh irreparable. Almost two decades of exhausting labor to counter everything Barry says, even what he says outside the context of TM, everything his *allies* say, straight down the tubes. I imagine you're pretty proud of yourself right about now. For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated. Yes, you've bloody well made sure of that, haven't you? Barry is the martyr here. No, *Judy* is the martyr here. But her blood, her sweat, her toil, her unswerving devotion to the cause, will not go unavenged. Enjoy your moment of triumph, for it will not, it cannot last. Would you even just for the sake of how much I have defended you in the past, think about what I have said here? Yes, I most certainly will think about it. And so will others, the Others for whom I've been tirelessly working, whose power is more vast than you dream. You may be certain they've taken note of your perfidy, and there will be, not a reconciliation, as you so fondly imagine, but a showdown and a reckoning. Your masters have overreached themselves and in so doing wrought their own destruction. Count on it...and tremble. OR (your choice): I grovel here before you, the bitter dust of humiliation filling my mouth as I struggle to formulate the words of my repentance. There are none so blind as those who will not see. That was me, right up until the moment I read this post. I am still blinded, but now by the light, the blessed light of Truth. I dare not hope for reconciliation; my sins have been too great for that. I can only pray that those whom I have so grievously misled through my own hubris will understand and accept what you have laid out before them at such personal cost and repudiate the Cult of Judy. For it is dead; Robin has slain it. Robin, I cannot express my boundless gratitude for the selflessness of the holy work you have just accomplished here. In the pain with which it has seared my very soul may others find sweet release. Now let us all together, cleansed of our hatred and joined in our determination to march forth into sanctified renewal, repeat the beautiful prayer the Devoted Brother Vaj has composed for us on this awesome occasion: Hail Barry, full of Grace, Blessed be the fruit of his thumbs. Can I get an -MEN? Hallelujah! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accept�even tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right.
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On Jan 6, 2012, at 6:58 PM, marekreavis wrote: LB Shriver was a great poster and a really informed guy. Bingo. He was key in his conciseness and his innocence. Posting as sutras.
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Okay, I WAS referring to Judy. Not to Emily posting out. although )-: )-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Creve Coeur --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Traitor. Turncoat. After working with me for 17 years now to discredit Barry, staying discreetly behind the scenes until just recently, you've decided to switch sides. Or were you on his side all along, acting as a double agent, setting me up for this odious betrayal? That was the plan all along, wasn't it? It all becomes clear to me now. Your masters trained you well in the art of deception; I never suspected. But it hardly matters. The damage you've done with this post is well-nigh irreparable. Almost two decades of exhausting labor to counter everything Barry says, even what he says outside the context of TM, everything his *allies* say, straight down the tubes. I imagine you're pretty proud of yourself right about now. For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated. Yes, you've bloody well made sure of that, haven't you? Barry is the martyr here. No, *Judy* is the martyr here. But her blood, her sweat, her toil, her unswerving devotion to the cause, will not go unavenged. Enjoy your moment of triumph, for it will not, it cannot last. Would you even just for the sake of how much I have defended you in the past, think about what I have said here? Yes, I most certainly will think about it. And so will others, the Others for whom I've been tirelessly working, whose power is more vast than you dream. You may be certain they've taken note of your perfidy, and there will be, not a reconciliation, as you so fondly imagine, but a showdown and a reckoning. Your masters have overreached themselves and in so doing wrought their own destruction. Count on it...and tremble. OR (your choice): I grovel here before you, the bitter dust of humiliation filling my mouth as I struggle to formulate the words of my repentance. There are none so blind as those who will not see. That was me, right up until the moment I read this post. I am still blinded, but now by the light, the blessed light of Truth. I dare not hope for reconciliation; my sins have been too great for that. I can only pray that those whom I have so grievously misled through my own hubris will understand and accept what you have laid out before them at such personal cost and repudiate the Cult of Judy. For it is dead; Robin has slain it. Robin, I cannot express my boundless gratitude for the selflessness of the holy work you have just accomplished here. In the pain with which it has seared my very soul may others find sweet release. Now let us all together, cleansed of our hatred and joined in our determination to march forth into sanctified renewal, repeat the beautiful prayer the Devoted Brother Vaj has composed for us on this awesome occasion: Hail Barry, full of Grace, Blessed be the fruit of his thumbs. Can I get an -MEN? Hallelujah! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to accepteven tolerate. And this was of course because of his refusal to take me seriously in what I said in all my posts. For Barry, these were tedious, narcissistic, and melodramatic. Well, it turns out he was right. At least this is the conclusion I have come to by being brave enough to consider that my own defensiveness and touchiness in reacting to his criticism of me and my posts was preventing me from having an experience that I needed to have: namely, that my own estimate of my posts did not necessarily coincide with the truth, with reality. Whereas *his* estimate of my posts did achieve such correspondence. So, as much as I hate to do this, given how much I have invested in this anti-Barry project, I have to admit it: Barry is not only correct in his assessment of Judy (see his argument with Emily and Raunchydog), his judgment of me and my posts is valid as well. Now I would just ask the readers of FFLthose who have aligned themselves with Judy, with Robin, with the now departed Bob Price, with Jim and othersto reconsider their position, since for someone like myself to undergo a change of perception this significant, a change which I was determined
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On Jan 6, 2012, at 7:09 PM, marekreavis wrote: In clarification: it's not my intent to say that LB stopped posting because of anyone's posting on FFL; only that LB was one of the finest posters in the past. I believe he stopped because he had other interests that he wanted to pursue. Dr. Pete was also a great poster. I'm not sure why he stopped. Anyway, the question got me thinking, too. He was on my list - and still is - Peter really struck a chord in me. Never mind he grew up in Catholic private schools with John Hagelin. They used to play meditative 'enlightenment games' together as kids.
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On Jan 6, 2012, at 8:51 PM, seventhray1 wrote: My theory on Dr. Pete is that some people took offense at his remarks, and he took some heat in his professional life because of it. A loss IMO for the denizens here. I could be really wrong about that, but it is one reason I consider it essential to respect people's privacy and not engage in slander. That might have been part of it, but I see Peter's loss more in terms of 'enlightenment integrity'. He could simple not stomach the disappreciation of his own awakenings beside the despoliation of all things Maheshian. Something had to give.
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Thanks, Steve, I must have not been following FFL during the time he stopped posting. There were more than a handful of interesting folk who used to post regularly, but for one reason or another, no longer do so. A lot of different currents have washed through FFL since Rick got it started and it's still churning out tons posts. That's a testament to something, though I'm not sure exactly what. I appreciate your vibe in the mix. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoo groups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: My theory on Dr. Pete is that some people took offense at his remarks, and he took some heat in his professional life because of it. A loss IMO for the denizens here. I could be really wrong about that, but it is one reason I consider it essential to respect people's privacy and not engage in slander. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: In clarification: it's not my intent to say that LB stopped posting because of anyone's posting on FFL; only that LB was one of the finest posters in the past. I believe he stopped because he had other interests that he wanted to pursue. Dr. Pete was also a great poster. I'm not sure why he stopped. Anyway, the question got me thinking, too. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: LB Shriver was a great poster and a really informed guy. *** --- In FairfieldLife@, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Ahhh, you are not sitting high enough up in the tree, Vaj. Move up a few branches. What you don't seem to understand is, this was once a great list, till Judy and her ilk showed up (no offense intended). Most of the great posters fled and never looked back. I've been here since the earliest days and it has always been a contentious forum, because people have strong views about TM, both for and against. I'm wondering who the great posters were who fled.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Yes, I most certainly will think about it. And so will others, the Others for whom I've been tirelessly working, whose power is more vast than you dream. You may be certain they've taken note of your perfidy, and there will be, not a reconciliation, as you so fondly imagine, but a showdown and a reckoning. Your masters have overreached themselves and in so doing wrought their own destruction. Count on it...and tremble. I'm sorry, but this is simply epic. Ok, blast me for making this comparison, but after 9-11, I remember seeing and hearing weird things. Society became unhinged for a moment until everybody got their bearings again. And in the little inbetween period things were strange. I get that same impression here. I hope Judy does not delete this post. Well, too late now. OR (your choice): I grovel here before you, the bitter dust of humiliation filling my mouth as I struggle to formulate the words of my repentance. Thank you Judy for this insight into who you really are. I am not mocking you. I'm here for you if you want. But really I marvel at the role you've taken on. My little Valkyrie, let me hold you in my arms.
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Thanks Marek. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Thanks, Steve, I must have not been following FFL during the time he stopped posting. There were more than a handful of interesting folk who used to post regularly, but for one reason or another, no longer do so. A lot of different currents have washed through FFL since Rick got it started and it's still churning out tons posts. That's a testament to something, though I'm not sure exactly what. I appreciate your vibe in the mix. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoo groups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: My theory on Dr. Pete is that some people took offense at his remarks, and he took some heat in his professional life because of it. A loss IMO for the denizens here. I could be really wrong about that, but it is one reason I consider it essential to respect people's privacy and not engage in slander. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: In clarification: it's not my intent to say that LB stopped posting because of anyone's posting on FFL; only that LB was one of the finest posters in the past. I believe he stopped because he had other interests that he wanted to pursue. Dr. Pete was also a great poster. I'm not sure why he stopped. Anyway, the question got me thinking, too. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: LB Shriver was a great poster and a really informed guy. *** --- In FairfieldLife@, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Ahhh, you are not sitting high enough up in the tree, Vaj. Move up a few branches. What you don't seem to understand is, this was once a great list, till Judy and her ilk showed up (no offense intended). Most of the great posters fled and never looked back. I've been here since the earliest days and it has always been a contentious forum, because people have strong views about TM, both for and against. I'm wondering who the great posters were who fled.
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I wasn't planning on posting, but this just had to be responded. Beautiful post by Robin, excellent follow-up by Judy :-). And then fest37 rightly wonders if there is more..LOL.. King Baby Barry might be an emotionally damaged mediocre reviewer of pirated movies and TV shows, but he is a great legend,in his own mind..LOL.. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:37 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Gosh, golly. This is serious stuff. It is shaping up as a Shakespearean play, a clash of mighty opposites. The next scene should be good. The audience must already be pondering the mysterious revelation below that authfriend has been working with MZ for 17 YEARS behind the scenes to discredit Barry. Can it be so? Really? And who, we absolutely must know, are the equally mysterious masters that MZ serves? And what about the capitalized Others for whom authfriend declares she is working? Who on earth might they be? And I thought all this time that FFL was just an Internet chat forum. Now I see it is a cloak-and-dagger tale of mighty forces, shifting alliances, outrageous betrayals, and turbulent passions. Perhaps there is a playwright behind all this, who is actually plotting a way for the reviled poster from Holland to regain lost ground and reign supreme, his enemies confounded and at his mercy. Will he choose magnanimity or revenge? We shall find out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Traitor. Turncoat. After working with me for 17 years now to discredit Barry, staying discreetly behind the scenes until just recently, you've decided to switch sides. Or were you on his side all along, acting as a double agent, setting me up for this odious betrayal? That was the plan all along, wasn't it? It all becomes clear to me now. Your masters trained you well in the art of deception; I never suspected. But it hardly matters. The damage you've done with this post is well-nigh irreparable. Almost two decades of exhausting labor to counter everything Barry says, even what he says outside the context of TM, everything his *allies* say, straight down the tubes. I imagine you're pretty proud of yourself right about now. For in the end, I assure you, Barry will be vindicated. Yes, you've bloody well made sure of that, haven't you? Barry is the martyr here. No, *Judy* is the martyr here. But her blood, her sweat, her toil, her unswerving devotion to the cause, will not go unavenged. Enjoy your moment of triumph, for it will not, it cannot last. Would you even just for the sake of how much I have defended you in the past, think about what I have said here? Yes, I most certainly will think about it. And so will others, the Others for whom I've been tirelessly working, whose power is more vast than you dream. You may be certain they've taken note of your perfidy, and there will be, not a reconciliation, as you so fondly imagine, but a showdown and a reckoning. Your masters have overreached themselves and in so doing wrought their own destruction. Count on it...and tremble. OR (your choice): I grovel here before you, the bitter dust of humiliation filling my mouth as I struggle to formulate the words of my repentance. There are none so blind as those who will not see. That was me, right up until the moment I read this post. I am still blinded, but now by the light, the blessed light of Truth. I dare not hope for reconciliation; my sins have been too great for that. I can only pray that those whom I have so grievously misled through my own hubris will understand and accept what you have laid out before them at such personal cost and repudiate the Cult of Judy. For it is dead; Robin has slain it. Robin, I cannot express my boundless gratitude for the selflessness of the holy work you have just accomplished here. In the pain with which it has seared my very soul may others find sweet release. Now let us all together, cleansed of our hatred and joined in our determination to march forth into sanctified renewal, repeat the beautiful prayer the Devoted Brother Vaj has composed for us on this awesome occasion: Hail Barry, full of Grace, Blessed be the fruit of his thumbs. Can I get an -MEN? Hallelujah! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: In withdrawing from FFL I have had time to reflect upon my history there and the characters I have interacted with. It will perhaps come as a shock to some, but in reading Barry more closely and without the intense bias that has gripped me right from the start when Barry appeared to make himself immune to the effects of my posts, I have concluded that essentially Barry is right. Right not just about Judy; but right about even myself. Barry is arguing from a point of view which I have up until very recently been unable to
