[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
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Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been in the program and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, arranged marriages are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: Family. Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to argue on the Internet incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
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And Marshy got paid nothing on paper, yet he was worth billions - you think these lying asses are above hiding their assets? On Fri, 3/21/14, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 6:16 AM John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
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turq, at least 2 things we don't know: we don't know if they were fenced in from the get go, when they were 6 to 8 years old; we don't know if all the boys had to be forced by their families to join the program. It's possible that some of them genuinely wanted to. But if, to repeat my opinion, if even one child was forced, then the program needs to be ended and begun again, next time with only volunteers. On Friday, March 21, 2014 1:48 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been in the program and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, arranged marriages are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: Family. Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to argue on the Internet incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
Who says he was worth billions? A newspaper?
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Catch a clue, dear. Barry just gets into this manure, in order to distract attention from his fairly serious emotional issues. You can obviously play along, for fun, but please don't be taken in by his feigned passion for this topic. Just a smokescreen he can use, to hide from himself. Now, before you accuse me of demonizing the poor man, I'd just like to point out that once it becomes apparent that someone is a serial critic, of almost everything, as he is, it is only a matter of time, before I ask myself, Why? :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, at least 2 things we don't know: we don't know if they were fenced in from the get go, when they were 6 to 8 years old; we don't know if all the boys had to be forced by their families to join the program. It's possible that some of them genuinely wanted to. But if, to repeat my opinion, if even one child was forced, then the program needs to be ended and begun again, next time with only volunteers. On Friday, March 21, 2014 1:48 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been in the program and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, arranged marriages are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: Family. Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to argue on the Internet incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
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Barry's apologetics for his negative spin on the pandit program involve making a distinction between legal freedom and psychological freedom. While the distinction is valid on its own terms, the case that while the pandits are legally free to make their own decisions, they aren't psychologically free to do so, is hardly cut-and-dried. Essentially, it requires reading the minds of the pandits based on what one knows--or simply infers--about their situation prior to coming to this country and about the nature of family relations in India. The degree of the pandits' psychological freedom may well be a significant issue that warrants discussion, but it is by no means a slam-dunk to assume they lack it. And even if it could be determined, whether and how it should affect the program--should such a lack trump their legal freedom?--is another issue entirely. Bottom line, Barry's conjectures about the psychological freedom of the pandits should not be taken to constitute proof that they are being unfairly exploited by the TMO. Barry's knowledge of the pandits' situation before signing on to the U.S. part of the program is rudimentary at best, and his knowledge of their current psychological state is nonexistent. He can't legitimately accuse Lawson of ignoring what he himself is only guessing at. Again, the psychological freedom issue does warrant discussion, but the ability to come to a hard-and-fast, evidence-based conclusion about what it means, or should mean, for the pandit program may not be within our grasp. Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been in the program and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, arranged marriages are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: Family. Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to argue on the Internet incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
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Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case. The reports I've seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement. But I guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know otherwise. It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working fine for the pundits and their families who participate. On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so thorough that they have no choice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been in the program and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, arranged marriages are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: Family. Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to argue on the Internet incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
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I don't know, but neither do you, and neither do any of the people supporting this program. Where did the reports you cite come from? The TM movement will not allow any of the actual pandits to be interviewed. Even if they did, would they/could they tell the truth, if Girish's organization (which has been described in the Indian press as a Mafia) could harm their families at home in reprisal? The one thing everyone *can* agree on is that they are being exploited, and for money. They are paid $1.66 a day to chant yagyas that the TM movement charges tens of thousands of dollars for. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case. The reports I've seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement. But I guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know otherwise. It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working fine for the pundits and their families who participate. On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so thorough that they have no choice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been in the program and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, arranged marriages are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: Family. Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to argue on the Internet incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
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He's building an iron-clad case based on conjecture and mind-reading. Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case. The reports I've seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement. But I guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know otherwise. Convenient, isn't it? Claiming they're brainwashed makes it possible to invalidate any and all positive comments from the pandits, as well as frame an absence of negative comments as negative. Heads I win, tails you lose. It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working fine for the pundits and their families who participate. On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so thorough that they have no choice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been in the program and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, arranged marriages are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: Family. Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to argue on the Internet incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
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The pandits get paid $200 per month. Lawson isn't lying or pretending. The families wouldn't be receiving $150 per month if their sons weren't earning it, and it's sophistry to claim otherwise. Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim.
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It's being a total cultist to claim that they *are* getting $200. They are getting $50 per month. That is the only money they will ever see, if they ever even see that, except as credits at the company store. The other $150 goes to the parents who sold them into this program when they were young. Nothing you can ever say can spin this otherwise. It's shameful of you to even try. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role The pandits get paid $200 per month. Lawson isn't lying or pretending. The families wouldn't be receiving $150 per month if their sons weren't earning it, and it's sophistry to claim otherwise. Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been in the program and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, arranged marriages are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: Family. Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to argue on the Internet incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? It's official, Lawson should be horse whipped and hung out to dry in the freezing cold for an indeterminate amount of time. I mean, hwww stpid can a person be? And if doing simple math amounts to being a full-time apologist for the TM movement then by God, let's lynch him instead. Or we could just try and humiliate him and make him feel like some sort of dolt by harping on him for not agreeing with us. Yea, let's do that and while we're at it make sure we try and ridicule everyone else here who doesn't feel exactly as we do because, after all, we know best. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
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A few additional minor comments on Barry's apologetics: 1. Many of them have been in the program and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, Barry has no idea whether the Indian program puts the pandit boys behind barbed wire. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. This is hilarious. How many bowls of curry does a pandit normally eat in a day? How many more bowls is a few more? Is that written into the contract? What happened here was, Barry decided he needed something besides a few more rupees for rhythm, but he couldn't think of anything offhand that made any sense, so he just threw in something that didn't make any sense. ...Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to argue on the Internet incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Gee, I haven't seen this silly canard, in which those defending TM are accused of doing it for money, from the TM-critic faction since alt.m.t days. Barry, of course, has NO idea how much of his time Lawson spends defending the TM movement. We certainly don't see him on FFL that often. The epithet full-time apologist is not only based on no evidence whatsoever, it's almost certainly false. And I think everyone understands that the How much do YOU make? question has nothing behind it either. It's just a nasty spitball. Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? Lawson is SO much more objective about the TMO than Barry is. If you adopt Barry's claims about Lawson rather than actually reading what Lawson posts, you're letting yourself be spun straight down the garden path. Would Lawson report on what he found out concerning what Hagelin is paid if he were trying to burnish the TMO's image? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. Ah, but you should hear Hagelin sing (chant); he's worth every penny. And he sends $392 of that back to his grandmother in Florida. From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
The pandits get paid $200 per month. Lawson isn't lying or pretending, and I'm not being a total cultist to say so. As noted, the families wouldn't be receiving $150 per month if their sons weren't earning it, and it's not just spinning but the purest sophistry to claim otherwise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's being a total cultist to claim that they *are* getting $200. They are getting $50 per month. That is the only money they will ever see, if they ever even see that, except as credits at the company store. The other $150 goes to the parents who sold them into this program when they were young. Nothing you can ever say can spin this otherwise. It's shameful of you to even try. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role The pandits get paid $200 per month. Lawson isn't lying or pretending. The families wouldn't be receiving $150 per month if their sons weren't earning it, and it's sophistry to claim otherwise. Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's being a total cultist to claim that they *are* getting $200. They are getting $50 per month. That is the only money they will ever see, if they ever even see that, except as credits at the company store. The other $150 goes to the parents who sold them into this program when they were young. Nothing you can ever say can spin this otherwise. It's shameful of you to even try. Shame, shame, shame. Bawwy, you're makin' me laugh with your pseudo-humanitarian front on this subject. Think of it as getting $50 now and banking $150 with your family who gets to spend that money when and how they choose. And if your feeble and closed mind can get around the fact that food and housing are worth money then you would realize their 'payment' includes that as well. No one here is claiming these pandits are going to retire as millionaires but they have made a choice to take food, shelter, money and 3x that salary to be sent to aid their relatives back home. Now dry your crocodile tears and can we move on? From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role The pandits get paid $200 per month. Lawson isn't lying or pretending. The families wouldn't be receiving $150 per month if their sons weren't earning it, and it's sophistry to claim otherwise. Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
We all pick up on different things, don't we? My information comes from the original reports in which many of the pundit boys were quoted as saying that they were embarrassed by the incident, and that it ran contrary to why they were there. You can look up the original article if you want. I think I got it pretty much right. But the picture you are creating is more of child, or at least people trafficking, and I think it is inaccurate. But tell me, apart from your theory that they and their families are too brainwashed to know better, who is forcing them to come, and/or stay there? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't know, but neither do you, and neither do any of the people supporting this program. Where did the reports you cite come from? The TM movement will not allow any of the actual pandits to be interviewed. Even if they did, would they/could they tell the truth, if Girish's organization (which has been described in the Indian press as a Mafia) could harm their families at home in reprisal? The one thing everyone *can* agree on is that they are being exploited, and for money. They are paid $1.66 a day to chant yagyas that the TM movement charges tens of thousands of dollars for. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case. The reports I've seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement. But I guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know otherwise. It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working fine for the pundits and their families who participate. On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so thorough that they have no choice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been in the program and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, arranged marriages are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: Family. Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to argue on the Internet incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now Raja John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
Steve, just to butt in here and make the point again that imo to force someone to create world peace is a contradiction in terms and shouldn't be done, even if it's parents doing that to their young children. I think such a program should only have volunteers. Otherwise it's flawed at the core. On Friday, March 21, 2014 11:01 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: We all pick up on different things, don't we? My information comes from the original reports in which many of the pundit boys were quoted as saying that they were embarrassed by the incident, and that it ran contrary to why they were there. You can look up the original article if you want. I think I got it pretty much right. But the picture you are creating is more of child, or at least people trafficking, and I think it is inaccurate. But tell me, apart from your theory that they and their families are too brainwashed to know better, who is forcing them to come, and/or stay there? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't know, but neither do you, and neither do any of the people supporting this program. Where did the reports you cite come from? The TM movement will not allow any of the actual pandits to be interviewed. Even if they did, would they/could they tell the truth, if Girish's organization (which has been described in the Indian press as a Mafia) could harm their families at home in reprisal? The one thing everyone *can* agree on is that they are being exploited, and for money. They are paid $1.66 a day to chant yagyas that the TM movement charges tens of thousands of dollars for. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case. The reports I've seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement. But I guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know otherwise. It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working fine for the pundits and their families who participate. On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so thorough that they have no choice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been in the program and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, arranged marriages are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: Family. Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to argue on the Internet incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
I am speculating, Steve, based on experience, both with Indians, and with the TM movement. No one who has ever worked for the TM movement for room and board plus course credit and then had that course credit taken away on a whim by Maharishi because his cash flow was low will ever believe what they read in a TMO press release. I have no doubts that many of the pandits there, having been immersed in a TM We're the greatest because we alone are saving the world environment for years, feel as if they are there for a Cosmic Purpose, doing something valuable and wonderful. I mean, look at Lawson, who, as I understand it, has never worked for the TM movement in his life, but spends an inordinate amount of his time arguing about the absolute supremacy of TM on the Internet. There is just no accounting for True Believers and the things they do. No, I don't know for sure that my jaundiced view of the pandit program is correct, but I contend that it is a reasonable extrapolation of the facts as presented so far. The pandits ARE recruited in their pre-pubescence from poor families who can barely afford to support them, and they ARE essentially sold into indentured servitude by their parents (they can't be held responsible for the decision, because they're minors) for the promise of $150 per month plus (hopefully) an education for their sons. They ARE paid only $50 per month, the $150 (hopefully) going to their parents. They ARE being paid *at most* $2.50 an hour to perform services that the TM organization then charges thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for. All of these things are FACTS, even if you believe the TM press releases. I'm suggesting that this is a human rights travesty, and that those who condone it are lower than the lint in a snake's navel. Your mileage may vary. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role We all pick up on different things, don't we? My information comes from the original reports in which many of the pundit boys were quoted as saying that they were embarrassed by the incident, and that it ran contrary to why they were there. You can look up the original article if you want. I think I got it pretty much right. But the picture you are creating is more of child, or at least people trafficking, and I think it is inaccurate. But tell me, apart from your theory that they and their families are too brainwashed to know better, who is forcing them to come, and/or stay there? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't know, but neither do you, and neither do any of the people supporting this program. Where did the reports you cite come from? The TM movement will not allow any of the actual pandits to be interviewed. Even if they did, would they/could they tell the truth, if Girish's organization (which has been described in the Indian press as a Mafia) could harm their families at home in reprisal? The one thing everyone *can* agree on is that they are being exploited, and for money. They are paid $1.66 a day to chant yagyas that the TM movement charges tens of thousands of dollars for. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case. The reports I've seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement. But I guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know otherwise. It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working fine for the pundits and their families who participate. On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so thorough that they have no choice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been in the program and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
By Personality; Morris and then Hagelin below: Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different than Hagelin's. The general on the Western Front of the British army at the Somme who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better example of Bevan. The commonwealth general was committed to massive infantry frontal assault against the machine gun and other modern weaponry well past the time when it had been well proven obsolete. That guy was pig-headed as a character trait. He had all the credentials to leadership and was certainly supremely confident in himself, so much so that he could not see any problem with his play book or reason to change or do something otherwise. It was only a matter of will to carry the infantry assault to the breakthrough! On the opening day of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 casualties. Within weeks it was 400,000. The flower of Greater Britain. He had all the credentials and that way of confidence about him. After the Somme he went on and did it again at Ypres with another 250,000 casualties. He got brought home as the unassailable 'hero of the Somme'. Little ground, heavy casualties. The numbers tell the story of Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the tenure of our university President with the movement's Dome numbers. Like Haig our guy has certainly been resolute to a fault. -Buck, snip, B.H. Liddell-Hart, a distinguished military historian who had been wounded on the Western Front, went from admirer to skeptic to unremitting critic. He wrote in his diary: He [Haig] was a man of supreme egoism and utter lack of scruple--who, to his overweening ambition, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men. A man who betrayed even his most devoted assistants as well as the Government which he served. A man who gained his ends by trickery of a kind that was not merely immoral but criminal. Om Shanti, It reads so Ominously similarly! A Flaw of excess in Any one Virtue- This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes irresolution. Will and resolution become stubbornness and pigheadedness. Haig evidently believed that will and resolve could carry any obstacle. [excerpts:] The indictment against Haig and his pigheaded insistence of fighting Third Ypres at a cost of more than 250,000 British casualties is not simply one of losses, though that would be enough. What secures Third Ypres' status as one of history's great military blunders is the fact that while Haig thought it was a victory, the battle very nearly lost the war for the Allies. Churchill dryly points out, hopes of decisive victory grew With every step away from the British front line and reached absolute conviction in the Intelligence Department. If there was deep mistrust between civilian and military leadership, Haig was to blame for it. Swathed in sublime self-confidence, he always promised great success and, as events unfolded, changed the definition of success. So he felt contempt for the politicians, and they for him. The politicians were in the right but didn't have the courage to act on their convictions and simply fire Haig. The compromise--letting him keep his command but denying him the reserves he needed--was the worst of many bad alternatives. Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig became the youngest major general in the army in 1904. At the outbreak of World War I, Haig helped organize the British Expeditionary Force, then took command of it. A similar course to a young Bevan coming in to position by Maharishi in the 1970's as the equivalent of a TM Movement's Field Marshal from then supplanting others. Haig is a tremendously interesting example of the 'deceived' and 'failed' in so costly leadership emerging with laurels. In numbers and costs in war that were spectacular in a way similar like the decline of TM in the Bevan years. So it is and ere we are with Bevan the Prime Minister now the right hand of our TM King resolute to the end. In Churchill's devastating judgment, Haig wore down alike the manhood and the guns of the British army almost to destruction. Keegan is also merciless: On the Somme, [Haig] had sent the flower of British youth to death or mutilation; at Passchendaele he had tipped the survivors in the slough of despond. Of the final assault that carried the ruined, pointless little village of Passchendaele, British military historian J.F.C. Fuller, wrote, To persist in this tactically impossible battle was an inexcusable piece of pigheadness on the part of Haig. This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes irresolution. Will and resolution
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Matthew 18:20 - For where two or three are gathered together in the Unified Field, there is the Meissner Effect in the midst of them. It is going to be close. Even if these new pundits show up in force in re-enforcement we still need a few more good meditators from the community to come to the Domes to have steady numbers over 2,000 meditating morning and evening, let alone 2,500 for safety. We're going to need a few more willing meditators, 150 or 200, from the community to come back to the Domes and fill the breech. May the Unified Field have mercy on us. Yep, Gone over the Dome Numbers Cliff with Bevan Like the 'fiscal cliff', The Dome Numbers Cliff. Frankly, Bevan and his particular people around him went over the Dome numbers cliff years ago fully committed to the plunge. It is an edifying read for perspective to look at the first two hundred posts to Fairfieldlife and see the roots of the problem actually go back with Bevan even to the 1980's. There were quite reasonable suggestions made all along to stem the flow of people out of the Domes. Now, we are really swimming upstream needing to portage around the big problem for all the damage that has been done to the feelings of the meditating community. It's getting towards a 'do or die' time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: The Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, natural, effortless process practiced 1520 minutes twice daily while sitting comfortably with eyes closed. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of practitioners of the Transcending Meditation programas few as 1% of a populationcreate a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier. The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and problems. The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the Domes. This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the Domes. This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and defended. I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves. Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yep, this thing coming with The Dome Numbers Cliff, someone is going to have to show some magnanimous leadership to a hurt people to have them come back and help. We're going to need a few hundred more old movement meditators from the community here to come
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the Domes. This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and defended. I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves. Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
)..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of practitioners of the Transcending Meditation programas few as 1% of a populationcreate a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier. The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and problems. The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the Domes. This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of practitioners of the Transcending Meditation programas few as 1% of a populationcreate a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier. The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and problems. The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the Domes. This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of practitioners of the Transcending Meditation programas few as 1% of a populationcreate a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier. The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and problems. The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the Domes. This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
The Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, natural, effortless process practiced 1520 minutes twice daily while sitting comfortably with eyes closed. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of practitioners of the Transcending Meditation programas few as 1% of a populationcreate a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier. The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and problems. The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the Domes. This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Like the 'fiscal cliff', The Dome Numbers Cliff. Frankly, Bevan and his particular people around him went over the Dome numbers cliff years ago fully committed to the plunge. It is an edifying read for perspective to look at the first two hundred posts to Fairfieldlife and see the roots of the problem actually go back with Bevan even to the 1980's. There were quite reasonable suggestions made all along to stem the flow of people out of the Domes. Now, we are really swimming upstream needing to portage around the big problem for all the damage that has been done to the feelings of the meditating community. It's getting towards a 'do or die' time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: The Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, natural, effortless process practiced 1520 minutes twice daily while sitting comfortably with eyes closed. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of practitioners of the Transcending Meditation programas few as 1% of a populationcreate a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier. The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and problems. The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the Domes. This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Yep, Gone over the Dome Numbers Cliff with Bevan Like the 'fiscal cliff', The Dome Numbers Cliff. Frankly, Bevan and his particular people around him went over the Dome numbers cliff years ago fully committed to the plunge. It is an edifying read for perspective to look at the first two hundred posts to Fairfieldlife and see the roots of the problem actually go back with Bevan even to the 1980's. There were quite reasonable suggestions made all along to stem the flow of people out of the Domes. Now, we are really swimming upstream needing to portage around the big problem for all the damage that has been done to the feelings of the meditating community. It's getting towards a 'do or die' time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: The Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, natural, effortless process practiced 1520 minutes twice daily while sitting comfortably with eyes closed. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of practitioners of the Transcending Meditation programas few as 1% of a populationcreate a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier. The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and problems. The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the Domes. This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Maybe instead of calling them the Dome numbers, you should call them the Doom numbers. And repeating stuff endlessly between posts instead of writing new material does not seem to help make it easier to follow your posts. Why not spend the time a bit more creatively. You do write some interesting things at times Buck. But you undermine it with this mindless posting. It is just spam.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
It is going to be close. Even if these new pundits show up in force in re-enforcement we still need a few more good meditators from the community to come to the Domes to have steady numbers over 2,000 meditating morning and evening, let alone 2,500 for safety. We're going to need a few more willing meditators, 150 or 200, from the community to come back to the Domes and fill the breech. May the Unified Field have mercy on us. Yep, Gone over the Dome Numbers Cliff with Bevan Like the 'fiscal cliff', The Dome Numbers Cliff. Frankly, Bevan and his particular people around him went over the Dome numbers cliff years ago fully committed to the plunge. It is an edifying read for perspective to look at the first two hundred posts to Fairfieldlife and see the roots of the problem actually go back with Bevan even to the 1980's. There were quite reasonable suggestions made all along to stem the flow of people out of the Domes. Now, we are really swimming upstream needing to portage around the big problem for all the damage that has been done to the feelings of the meditating community. It's getting towards a 'do or die' time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: The Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, natural, effortless process practiced 1520 minutes twice daily while sitting comfortably with eyes closed. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of practitioners of the Transcending Meditation programas few as 1% of a populationcreate a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier. The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and problems. The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the Domes. This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and defended. I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves. Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yep, this thing coming with The Dome Numbers Cliff, someone is going to have to show some magnanimous leadership to a hurt people to have them come back and help. We're going to need a few hundred more old movement meditators from the community here to come back and there is some deep held feeling that leadership is going to have to deal with to get these numbers to come out from the meditating community here now. My only interest in this is
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Loving your optimism, Buck. Happiest of New Years to you and your family. Off to Dome (-: From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 6:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and defended. I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves. Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yep, this thing coming with The Dome Numbers Cliff, someone is going to have to show some magnanimous leadership to a hurt people to have them come back and help. We're going
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But you're expecting them to swallow their pride and admit they are/were wrong. Maharishi always taught that the enlightened don't do anything wrong, are always right and all decisions are directed by Nature. You're asking them to admit they aren't enlightened or in tune with the master. But then, maybe they are in tune with the master and maybe he wasn't as enlightened as he wanted us to believe. The TMO won't change. They are stagnant and becoming a sest- pool wrapped in self-righteousness and will die. Perhaps a new TMO will be re-born to a new generation. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today [2013]: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. Jai Guru Dev, The Department of the Development of Consciousness http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and defended. I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions about
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Leadership and the Dome Numbers Cliff.. So, who is responsible for the really poor community numbers in the Domes? Saha Nav Hah! http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ -Buck Well, pretty clearly it is Bevan and Maharishi. A lot of people gone. Like, look back at the earliest posts on FFL. Their contending with the trust of the larger meditating community goes way back. Threads going back even to the 1980's. Going to have to over-throw them to save the Domes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Oh, shut up, Buck. You and your emailer both. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Stop. Folks, A Stern warning given by e-mail posted on the side about this thread: That our movement's 'corporate climate' does not 'entertain negativity', which is personally interpreted by 'Some Higher Ups' as any criticism or even any debate. And any observation, (rumors included) other than whole compliance is viewed as obstruction. I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the following points below: Going forward, The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so long need to change Four things: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business' and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or else at least get out of the way. With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation, http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ -Buck This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue. These two statements tied together though, the mission and their welcoming apology as a statement, are something to work off of for dialogue. The mission: The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different than Hagelin's. The general on the Western Front of the British army at the Somme who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better example of Bevan. The commonwealth general was committed to massive infantry frontal assault against the machine gun and other modern weaponry well past the time when it had been well proven obsolete. That guy was pig-headed as a character trait. He had all the credentials to leadership and was certainly supremely confident in himself, so much so that he could not see any problem with his play book or reason to change or do something otherwise. It was only a matter of will to carry the infantry assault to the breakthrough! On the opening day of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 casualties. Within weeks it was 400,000. The flower of Greater Britain. He had all the credentials and that way of confidence about him. After the Somme he went on and did it again at Ypres with another 250,000 casualties. He got brought home as the unassailable 'hero of the Somme'. Little ground, heavy casualties. The numbers tell the story of Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the tenure of our university President with the movement's Dome numbers. Like Haig our guy has certainly been resolute to a fault. -Buck ,snip, B.H. Liddell-Hart, a distinguished military historian who had been wounded on the Western Front, went from admirer to skeptic to unremitting critic. He wrote in his diary: He [Haig] was a man of supreme egoism and utter lack of scruple--who, to his overweening ambition, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men. A man who betrayed even his most devoted assistants as well as the Government which he served. A man who gained his ends by trickery of a kind that was not merely immoral but criminal. Om Shanti, It reads so Om similarly! A Flaw of excess in Any one Virtue- This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes irresolution. Will and resolution become stubbornness and pigheadedness. Haig evidently believed that will and resolve could carry any obstacle. [excerpts:] The indictment against Haig and his pigheaded insistence of fighting Third Ypres at a cost of more than 250,000 British casualties is not simply one of losses, though that would be enough. What secures Third Ypres' status as one of history's great military blunders is the fact that while Haig thought it was a victory, the battle very nearly lost the war for the Allies. Churchill dryly points out, hopes of decisive victory grew With every step away from the British front line and reached absolute conviction in the Intelligence Department. If there was deep mistrust between civilian and military leadership, Haig was to blame for it. Swathed in sublime self-confidence, he always promised great success and, as events unfolded, changed the definition of success. So he felt contempt for the politicians, and they for him. The politicians were in the right but didn't have the courage to act on their convictions and simply fire Haig. The compromise--letting him keep his command but denying him the reserves he needed--was the worst of many bad alternatives. Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig became the youngest major general in the army in 1904. At the outbreak of World War I, Haig helped organize the British Expeditionary Force, then took command of it. A similar course to a young Bevan coming in to position by Maharishi in the 1970's as the equivalent of a TM Movement's Field Marshal from then supplanting others. Haig is a tremendously interesting example of the 'deceived' and 'failed' in so costly leadership emerging with laurels. In numbers and costs in war that were spectacular in a way similar like the decline of TM in the Bevan years. So it is and ere we are with Bevan the Prime Minister now the right hand of our TM King resolute to the end. In Churchill's devastating judgment, Haig wore down alike the manhood and the guns of the British army almost to destruction. Keegan is also merciless: On the Somme, [Haig] had sent the flower of British youth to death or mutilation; at Passchendaele he had tipped the survivors in the slough of despond. Of the final assault that carried the ruined, pointless little village of Passchendaele, British military historian J.F.C. Fuller, wrote, To persist in this tactically impossible battle was an inexcusable piece of pigheadness on the part of Haig. This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes irresolution.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different than Hagelin's. The general on the Western Front of the British army at the Somme who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better example of Bevan. The commonwealth general was committed to massive infantry frontal assault against the machine gun and other modern weaponry well past the time when it had been well proven obsolete. That guy was pig-headed as a character trait. He had all the credentials to leadership and was certainly supremely confident in himself, so much so that he could not see any problem with his play book or reason to change or do something otherwise. It was only a matter of will to carry the infantry assault to the breakthrough! On the opening day of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 casualties. Within weeks it was 400,000. The flower of Greater Britain. He had all the credentials and that way of confidence about him. After the Somme he went on and did it again at Ypres with another 250,000 casualties. He got brought home as the unassailable 'hero of the Somme'. Little ground, heavy casualties. The numbers tell the story of Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the tenure of our university President with the movement's Dome numbers. Like Haig our guy has certainly been resolute to a fault. -Buck ,snip, B.H. Liddell-Hart, a distinguished military historian who had been wounded on the Western Front, went from admirer to skeptic to unremitting critic. He wrote in his diary: He [Haig] was a man of supreme egoism and utter lack of scruple--who, to his overweening ambition, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men. A man who betrayed even his most devoted assistants as well as the Government which he served. A man who gained his ends by trickery of a kind that was not merely immoral but criminal. Om Shanti, It reads so Om similarly! A Flaw of excess in Any one Virtue- This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes irresolution. Will and resolution become stubbornness and pigheadedness. Haig evidently believed that will and resolve could carry any obstacle. [excerpts:] The indictment against Haig and his pigheaded insistence of fighting Third Ypres at a cost of more than 250,000 British casualties is not simply one of losses, though that would be enough. What secures Third Ypres' status as one of history's great military blunders is the fact that while Haig thought it was a victory, the battle very nearly lost the war for the Allies. Churchill dryly points out, hopes of decisive victory grew With every step away from the British front line and reached absolute conviction in the Intelligence Department. If there was deep mistrust between civilian and military leadership, Haig was to blame for it. Swathed in sublime self-confidence, he always promised great success and, as events unfolded, changed the definition of success. So he felt contempt for the politicians, and they for him. The politicians were in the right but didn't have the courage to act on their convictions and simply fire Haig. The compromise--letting him keep his command but denying him the reserves he needed--was the worst of many bad alternatives. Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig became the youngest major general in the army in 1904. At the outbreak of World War I, Haig helped organize the British Expeditionary Force, then took command of it. A similar course to a young Bevan coming in to position by Maharishi in the 1970's as the equivalent of a TM Movement's Field Marshal from then supplanting others. Haig is a tremendously interesting example of the 'deceived' and 'failed' in so costly leadership emerging with laurels. In numbers and costs in war that were spectacular in a way similar like the decline of TM in the Bevan years. So it is and ere we are with Bevan the Prime Minister now the right hand of our TM King resolute to the end. In Churchill's devastating judgment, Haig wore down alike the manhood and the guns of the British army almost to destruction. Keegan is also merciless: On the Somme, [Haig] had sent the flower of British youth to death or mutilation; at Passchendaele he had tipped the survivors in the slough of despond. Of the final assault that carried the ruined, pointless little village of Passchendaele, British military historian J.F.C. Fuller, wrote, To persist in this tactically impossible battle was an inexcusable piece of pigheadness on the part of Haig. This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes irresolution. Will and resolution become
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different than Hagelin's. The general on the Western Front of the British army at the Somme who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better example of Bevan. The commonwealth general was committed to massive infantry frontal assault against the machine gun and other modern weaponry well past the time when it had been well proven obsolete. That guy was pig-headed as a character trait. He had all the credentials to leadership and was certainly supremely confident in himself, so much so that he could not see any problem with his play book or reason to change or do something otherwise. It was only a matter of will to carry the infantry assault to the breakthrough! On the opening day of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 casualties. Within weeks it was 400,000. The flower of Greater Britain. He had all the credentials and that way of confidence about him. After the Somme he went on and did it again at Ypres with another 250,000 casualties. He got brought home as the unassailable 'hero of the Somme'. Little ground, heavy casualties. The numbers tell the story of Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the tenure of our university President with the movement's Dome numbers. Like Haig our guy has certainly been resolute to a fault. -Buck ,snip, B.H. Liddell-Hart, a distinguished military historian who had been wounded on the Western Front, went from admirer to skeptic to unremitting critic. He wrote in his diary: He [Haig] was a man of supreme egoism and utter lack of scruple--who, to his overweening ambition, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men. A man who betrayed even his most devoted assistants as well as the Government which he served. A man who gained his ends by trickery of a kind that was not merely immoral but criminal. Om Shanti, It reads so Om similarly! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Authfriend and Rick Archer are right here about Hagelin. Hagelin is in it for the long haul and a tantamount leader of meditators everywhere. He is larger than life and among us. He is extremely sharp witted, funny, he listens, is methodical, and does not suffer fools. He has been incredibly productive in re-mapping the teaching movement strategically from even before Maharishi died. You guys who are not here do not see him but he walks among us and is our wise and careful leader in this. He is not in a position to rule by decree as there is a junta to bring along including Bevan and some other Rajas of varying merit. Hagelin is a leader in a way Bevan will probably never be of the larger meditating movement because Bevan carries the weight of so much bad in his wake. It is just the way it is and Bevan has earned his own merit in this. Hagelin is interesting because he has emerged with his reputation in tact. Part figurehead but in action it is Hagelin more than anyone else who has resuscitated and kept the old TM teaching movement in tact and put it on the move again. He demonstrates a kind of endurance that he also demands of his people with him. Here at home or on the trail he is present, visible to us, and tireless. This is the guy who is in fact rallying things, skillfully directing battle, and looked to. This is not Bevan hold up in some mansion. Hagelin is a guy who commands respect by not demanding it. And look at the people around him likewise. He grants a same direct access from all grades and makes his decisions. Tireless yet by his willing sharing the general lot of his people Hagelin engenders admiration as well as loyalty. He obviously enjoys being alongside in the old meditating community with good barbs and dialect. However in the work of the movement he certainly imposes authority as if the Unified Field itself had descended to earth in the form of this common meditator and physicist. I swear my allegiance, -Buck in the Dome I have been enjoying your reports Buck. John's speaking style I have always found lackluster, kind of sing-song. He is a really bright guy. I am not so familiar with what he does with the Fairfield community now. I did know him a little bit, long ago, and remember mostly the fiery Margaret fuming over him while he mostly ignored her as he typed away on a computer. I think some acting lessons might help his speaking image.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different than Hagelin's. The general on the Western Front of the British army at the Somme who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better example of Bevan. The commonwealth general was committed to massive infantry frontal assault against the machine gun and other modern weaponry well past the time when it had been well proven obsolete. That guy was pig-headed as a character trait. He had all the credentials to leadership and was certainly supremely confident in himself, so much so that he could not see any problem with his play book or reason to change or do something otherwise. It was only a matter of will to carry the infantry assault to the breakthrough! On the opening day of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 casualties. Within weeks it was 400,000. The flower of Greater Britain. He had all the credentials and that way of confidence about him. After the Somme he went on and did it again at Ypres with another 250,000 casualties. He got brought home as the unassailable 'hero of the Somme'. Little ground, heavy casualties. The numbers tell the story of Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the tenure of our university President with the movement's Dome numbers. Like Haig our guy has certainly been resolute to a fault. -Buck ,snip, B.H. Liddell-Hart, a distinguished military historian who had been wounded on the Western Front, went from admirer to skeptic to unremitting critic. He wrote in his diary: He [Haig] was a man of supreme egoism and utter lack of scruple--who, to his overweening ambition, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men. A man who betrayed even his most devoted assistants as well as the Government which he served. A man who gained his ends by trickery of a kind that was not merely immoral but criminal. Om Shanti, It reads so Om similarly! A Flaw of excess in Any one Virtue- This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes irresolution. Will and resolution become stubbornness and pigheadedness. Haig evidently believed that will and resolve could carry any obstacle. [excerpts:] The indictment against Haig and his pigheaded insistence of fighting Third Ypres at a cost of more than 250,000 British casualties is not simply one of losses, though that would be enough. What secures Third Ypres' status as one of history's great military blunders is the fact that while Haig thought it was a victory, the battle very nearly lost the war for the Allies. Churchill dryly points out, hopes of decisive victory grew With every step away from the British front line and reached absolute conviction in the Intelligence Department. If there was deep mistrust between civilian and military leadership, Haig was to blame for it. Swathed in sublime self-confidence, he always promised great success and, as events unfolded, changed the definition of success. So he felt contempt for the politicians, and they for him. The politicians were in the right but didn't have the courage to act on their convictions and simply fire Haig. The compromise--letting him keep his command but denying him the reserves he needed--was the worst of many bad alternatives. Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig became the youngest major general in the army in 1904. At the outbreak of World War I, Haig helped organize the British Expeditionary Force, then took command of it. A similar course to a young Bevan coming in to position by Maharishi in the 1970's as the equivalent of a TM Movement's Field Marshal from then supplanting others. Haig is a tremendously interesting example of 'deceived' and 'failed' in so costly leadership emerging with laurels. In numbers and costs in war that were spectacular in a way similar like the decline of TM in the Bevan years. So it is and ere we are with Bevan the Prime Minister the right hand of our TM King resolute to the end. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Authfriend and Rick Archer are right here about Hagelin. Hagelin is in it for the long haul and a tantamount leader of meditators everywhere. He is larger than life and among us. He is extremely sharp witted, funny, he listens, is methodical, and does not suffer fools. He has been incredibly productive in re-mapping the teaching movement strategically from even before Maharishi died. You guys who are not here do not see him but he walks among us and is our wise and careful leader in this. He is not in a position to rule by decree as there is a junta to bring along including Bevan and some other Rajas of varying merit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different than Hagelin's. The general on the Western Front of the British army at the Somme who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better example of Bevan. The commonwealth general was committed to massive infantry frontal assault against the machine gun and other modern weaponry well past the time when it had been well proven obsolete. That guy was pig-headed as a character trait. He had all the credentials to leadership and was certainly supremely confident in himself, so much so that he could not see any problem with his play book or reason to change or do something otherwise. It was only a matter of will to carry the infantry assault to the breakthrough! On the opening day of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 casualties. Within weeks it was 400,000. The flower of Greater Britain. He had all the credentials and that way of confidence about him. After the Somme he went on and did it again at Ypres with another 250,000 casualties. He got brought home as the unassailable 'hero of the Somme'. Little ground, heavy casualties. The numbers tell the story of Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the tenure of our university President with the movement's Dome numbers. Like Haig our guy has certainly been resolute to a fault. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Authfriend and Rick Archer are right here about Hagelin. Hagelin is in it for the long haul and a tantamount leader of meditators everywhere. He is larger than life and among us. He is extremely sharp witted, funny, he listens, is methodical, and does not suffer fools. He has been incredibly productive in re-mapping the teaching movement strategically from even before Maharishi died. You guys who are not here do not see him but he walks among us and is our wise and careful leader in this. He is not in a position to rule by decree as there is a junta to bring along including Bevan and some other Rajas of varying merit. Hagelin is a leader in a way Bevan will probably never be of the larger meditating movement because Bevan carries the weight of so much bad in his wake. It is just the way it is and Bevan has earned his own merit in this. Hagelin is interesting because he has emerged with his reputation in tact. Part figurehead but in action it is Hagelin more than anyone else who has resuscitated and kept the old TM teaching movement in tact and put it on the move again. He demonstrates a kind of endurance that he also demands of his people with him. Here at home or on the trail he is present, visible to us, and tireless. This is the guy who is in fact rallying things, skillfully directing battle, and looked to. This is not Bevan hold up in some mansion. Hagelin is a guy who commands respect by not demanding it. And look at the people around him likewise. He grants a same direct access from all grades and makes his decisions. Tireless yet by his willing sharing the general lot of his people Hagelin engenders admiration as well as loyalty. He obviously enjoys being alongside in the old meditating community with good barbs and dialect. However in the work of the movement he certainly imposes authority as if the Unified Field itself had descended to earth in the form of this common meditator and physicist. I swear my allegiance, -Buck in the Dome I have been enjoying your reports Buck. John's speaking style I have always found lackluster, kind of sing-song. He is a really bright guy. I am not so familiar with what he does with the Fairfield community now. I did know him a little bit, long ago, and remember mostly the fiery Margaret fuming over him while he mostly ignored her as he typed away on a computer. I think some acting lessons might help his speaking image.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Buck: The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue... Maybe so, but that's not much different than other schools I've attended. Most schools have restrictions on the number of students in attendance and on the use of the school gym. No football during basketball practice! LoL! It's all a matter of positioning and placement: place yourself in a position to get the knowledge and then position yourself for success. Do your program in your own 'zone of tranquility' and include your whole family. You are only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Authfriend and Rick Archer are right here about Hagelin. Hagelin is in it for the long haul and a tantamount leader of meditators everywhere. He is larger than life and among us. He is extremely sharp witted, funny, he listens, is methodical, and does not suffer fools. He has been incredibly productive in re-mapping the teaching movement strategically from even before Maharishi died. You guys who are not here do not see him but he walks among us and is our wise and careful leader in this. He is not in a position to rule by decree as there is a junta to bring along including Bevan and some other Rajas of varying merit. Hagelin is a leader in a way Bevan will probably never be of the larger meditating movement because Bevan carries the weight of so much bad in his wake. It is just the way it is and Bevan has earned his own merit in this. Hagelin is interesting because he has emerged with his reputation in tact. Part figurehead but in action it is Hagelin more than anyone else who has resuscitated and kept the old TM teaching movement in tact and put it on the move again. He demonstrates a kind of endurance that he also demands of his people with him. Here at home or on the trail he is present, visible to us, and tireless. This is the guy who is in fact rallying things, skillfully directing battle, and looked to. This is not Bevan hold up in some mansion. Hagelin is a guy who commands respect by not demanding it. And look at the people around him likewise. He grants a same direct access from all grades and makes his decisions. Tireless yet by his willing sharing the general lot of his people Hagelin engenders admiration as well as loyalty. He obviously enjoys being alongside in the old meditating community with good barbs and dialect. However in the work of the movement he certainly imposes authority as if the Unified Field itself had descended to earth in the form of this common meditator and physicist. I swear my allegiance, -Buck in the Dome I have been enjoying your reports Buck. John's speaking style I have always found lackluster, kind of sing-song. He is a really bright guy. I am not so familiar with what he does with the Fairfield community now. I did know him a little bit, long ago, and remember mostly the fiery Margaret fuming over him while he mostly ignored her as he typed away on a computer. I think some acting lessons might help his speaking image.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Stop. Folks, A Stern warning given by e-mail posted on the side about this thread: That our movement's 'corporate climate' does not 'entertain negativity', which is personally interpreted by 'Some Higher Ups' as any criticism or even any debate. And any observation, (rumors included) other than whole compliance is viewed as obstruction. I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the following points below: Going forward, The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so long need to change Four things: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business' and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or else at least get out of the way. With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation, http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ -Buck This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue. These two statements tied together though, the mission and their welcoming apology as a statement, are something to work off of for dialogue. The mission: The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and defended. I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions about what was in their
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Oh, shut up, Buck. You and your emailer both. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Stop. Folks, A Stern warning given by e-mail posted on the side about this thread: That our movement's 'corporate climate' does not 'entertain negativity', which is personally interpreted by 'Some Higher Ups' as any criticism or even any debate. And any observation, (rumors included) other than whole compliance is viewed as obstruction. I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the following points below: Going forward, The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so long need to change Four things: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business' and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or else at least get out of the way. With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation, http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ -Buck This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue. These two statements tied together though, the mission and their welcoming apology as a statement, are something to work off of for dialogue. The mission: The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Stop. Folks, A Stern warning given by e-mail posted on the side about this thread: That our movement's 'corporate climate' does not 'entertain negativity', which is personally interpreted by 'Some Higher Ups' as any criticism or even any debate. And any observation, (rumors included) other than whole compliance is viewed as obstruction. Welcome to George Orwell's '1984'. I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the following points below: Going forward, The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so long need to change Four things: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business' and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or else at least get out of the way. With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation, http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ -Buck This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue. These two statements tied together though, the mission and their welcoming apology as a statement, are something to work off of for dialogue. The mission: The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Leadership and the Dome Numbers Cliff.. So, who is responsible for the really poor community numbers in the Domes? Saha Nav Hah! http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Oh, shut up, Buck. You and your emailer both. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Stop. Folks, A Stern warning given by e-mail posted on the side about this thread: That our movement's 'corporate climate' does not 'entertain negativity', which is personally interpreted by 'Some Higher Ups' as any criticism or even any debate. And any observation, (rumors included) other than whole compliance is viewed as obstruction. I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the following points below: Going forward, The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so long need to change Four things: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business' and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or else at least get out of the way. With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation, http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ -Buck This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue. These two statements tied together though, the mission and their welcoming apology as a statement, are something to work off of for dialogue. The mission: The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Maybe there needs to be a tipping point with the course office, as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down. An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem to remember it, the tipping point with Joe McCarthy was really precipitated by the most trusted man in America taking him on, at peril to his own career and reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, arguably the best newsman America has ever had. Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined up with the people being declared Off The Program, and thus anathema, and banned from the domes? Or Oprah? Or Paul McCartney? If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated, I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film written and directed by George Clooney, Good Night, and Good Luck. In it you get to see the face of evil himself, Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of Murrow, bringing a great actor's take to the actual text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time, seeing what the TV News *used to be*, compared with what it is now. One person -- if they are visible enough and respected enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators for many people, I don't think that the larger community of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point able to react to mere ideas. They need a spokesperson, a charismatic person to whom they can switch their allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion... From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and defended. I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves. Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Buck wrote: Yep, this thing coming with The Dome Numbers Cliff, someone is going to have to show some magnanimous leadership to a hurt people to have
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote: Maybe there needs to be a tipping point with the course office, as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down. An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem to remember it, the tipping point with Joe McCarthy was really precipitated by the most trusted man in America taking him on, at peril to his own career and reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, arguably the best newsman America has ever had. Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined up with the people being declared Off The Program, and thus anathema, and banned from the domes? Or Oprah? Or Paul McCartney? If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated, I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film written and directed by George Clooney, Good Night, and Good Luck. In it you get to see the face of evil himself, Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of Murrow, bringing a great actor's take to the actual text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time, seeing what the TV News *used to be*, compared with what it is now. One person -- if they are visible enough and respected enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators for many people, I don't think that the larger community of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point able to react to mere ideas. They need a spokesperson, a charismatic person to whom they can switch their allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion... From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and defended. I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any further
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
Based on your wisdom and long association with bashing the Movement and everything it stands for, I VOTE YOU to lead the TMO out of the wilderness!! What wiser soul than you, with your dedication and unerring focus on the wrongs of the TMO and Maharishi??? YOU ARE THE SAVIOR! (see what I mean about you being a veritable *zinger machine*? seriously we could MAKE BANK on this shit, dude...) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maybe there needs to be a tipping point with the course office, as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down. An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem to remember it, the tipping point with Joe McCarthy was really precipitated by the most trusted man in America taking him on, at peril to his own career and reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, arguably the best newsman America has ever had. Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined up with the people being declared Off The Program, and thus anathema, and banned from the domes? Or Oprah? Or Paul McCartney? If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated, I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film written and directed by George Clooney, Good Night, and Good Luck. In it you get to see the face of evil himself, Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of Murrow, bringing a great actor's take to the actual text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time, seeing what the TV News *used to be*, compared with what it is now. One person -- if they are visible enough and respected enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators for many people, I don't think that the larger community of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point able to react to mere ideas. They need a spokesperson, a charismatic person to whom they can switch their allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion... From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and defended. I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way about going back who had dropped pursuing
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan. Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about *anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb than John Hagelin. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ mailto:rick@ wrote: Maybe there needs to be a tipping point with the course office, as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down. An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem to remember it, the tipping point with Joe McCarthy was really precipitated by the most trusted man in America taking him on, at peril to his own career and reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, arguably the best newsman America has ever had. Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined up with the people being declared Off The Program, and thus anathema, and banned from the domes? Or Oprah? Or Paul McCartney? If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated, I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film written and directed by George Clooney, Good Night, and Good Luck. In it you get to see the face of evil himself, Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of Murrow, bringing a great actor's take to the actual text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time, seeing what the TV News *used to be*, compared with what it is now. One person -- if they are visible enough and respected enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators for many people, I don't think that the larger community of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point able to react to mere ideas. They need a spokesperson, a charismatic person to whom they can switch their allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion... From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending
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As I said, So don't make the error, as many of us have, believing that Barry is here to tell the truth, or his opinions, whatever, about God, TM, Maharishi and enlightenment. We could be talking about varieties of cheese, and he would be exactly the same - making the same kind of shitty remarks. HEY! AM I PSYCHIC, OR **WHAT**!!!?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan. Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about *anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb than John Hagelin. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ mailto:rick@ wrote: Maybe there needs to be a tipping point with the course office, as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down. An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem to remember it, the tipping point with Joe McCarthy was really precipitated by the most trusted man in America taking him on, at peril to his own career and reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, arguably the best newsman America has ever had. Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined up with the people being declared Off The Program, and thus anathema, and banned from the domes? Or Oprah? Or Paul McCartney? If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated, I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film written and directed by George Clooney, Good Night, and Good Luck. In it you get to see the face of evil himself, Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of Murrow, bringing a great actor's take to the actual text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time, seeing what the TV News *used to be*, compared with what it is now. One person -- if they are visible enough and respected enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators for many people, I don't think that the larger community of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point able to react to mere ideas. They need a spokesperson, a charismatic person to whom they can switch their allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion... From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about
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This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and defended. I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves. Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yep, this thing coming with The Dome Numbers Cliff, someone is going to have to show some magnanimous leadership to a hurt people to have them come back and help. We're going to need a few hundred more old movement meditators from the community here to come back and there is some deep held feeling that leadership is going to have to deal with to get these numbers to come out from the meditating community here now. My only interest in this is to see them facilitate the numbers in the Dome meditation better and if they can't then step aside and let someone else do it. They've had over thirty years rein of terror, let's see something else.-Buck Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the Domes. Someone lurking FFL writes to me on the side: If this group is established, why are the www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ numbers so pitifully low? Yes, it is going to be close. Even if these new pundits show up in force in re-enforcement we still need a few more good meditators from the community to come to the Domes to have steady numbers over 2,000 meditating morning and evening, let alone 2,500 for safety. We're going to need a few more willing meditators, at least 150 or 200, from the community to come back to the Domes and fill the breech.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan. Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about *anything*, or ever will. Er, Barry, it's the TB TMers Hagelin would be rallying, not the real world. Did you lose track of the conversation somewhere again? You've been doing that a *lot* lately. There couldn't *BE* a more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb than John Hagelin. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ mailto:rick@ wrote: Maybe there needs to be a tipping point with the course office, as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down. An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem to remember it, the tipping point with Joe McCarthy was really precipitated by the most trusted man in America taking him on, at peril to his own career and reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, arguably the best newsman America has ever had. Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined up with the people being declared Off The Program, and thus anathema, and banned from the domes? Or Oprah? Or Paul McCartney? If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated, I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film written and directed by George Clooney, Good Night, and Good Luck. In it you get to see the face of evil himself, Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of Murrow, bringing a great actor's take to the actual text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time, seeing what the TV News *used to be*, compared with what it is now. One person -- if they are visible enough and respected enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators for many people, I don't think that the larger community of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point able to react to mere ideas. They need a spokesperson, a charismatic person to whom they can switch their allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion... From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan. Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about *anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb than John Hagelin. Quintessential Barry: Negative Bitter Angry Disappointed Uncreative Unimaginative Vitriolic Predictable If I could have one wish with regard to Barry I would love him to surprise me. But to do that he would have to get happier and I just don't know how that could happen. It is, however, Christmas and maybe something wondrous will emerge for him. In the meantime, Jingle Bells All The Way! From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer wrote: Maybe there needs to be a tipping point with the course office, as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down. An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem to remember it, the tipping point with Joe McCarthy was really precipitated by the most trusted man in America taking him on, at peril to his own career and reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, arguably the best newsman America has ever had. Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined up with the people being declared Off The Program, and thus anathema, and banned from the domes? Or Oprah? Or Paul McCartney? If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated, I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film written and directed by George Clooney, Good Night, and Good Luck. In it you get to see the face of evil himself, Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of Murrow, bringing a great actor's take to the actual text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time, seeing what the TV News *used to be*, compared with what it is now. One person -- if they are visible enough and respected enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators for many people, I don't think that the larger community of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point able to react to mere ideas. They need a spokesperson, a charismatic person to whom they can switch their allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion... From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of turquoiseb --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ mailto:rick@ wrote: I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan. Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about *anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb than John Hagelin. Actually, non-TM crowds really like him. I've seen it at the Science and Non-Duality conference. Anyway, we're talking internal TMO politics. No, Rick, THAT is exactly what I mean by being stuck in TM-centric thinking. Nothing can EVER be done to affect change in the TM organization from within its ranks. That's an illusion held by New Age twifs and people like Buck. The only times in recorded history in which the TMO has *ever* responded to legitimate criticism was when it hit the News, big-time. THAT requires someone with considerably more charisma quotient than suit-and-tie, stick-up-his-ass, never-say-a-word-that-Maharishi-wouldn't-have-approved-of John Hagelin. The guy is a science dork, and NO ONE in the real world cares what the fuck he thinks or believes. To affect the TM organization enough to make it reverse its existing, dictated-by-Maharishi policies, it would require PUBLIC humiliation and outcry. Science dweebs simply can't rally that kind of reaction. Never have, never will. I stick with my choices of Oprah, David Lynch, or Sir Paul. If any of THEM ever came out against the TMO's policies, they might change. Hagelin, never. I'm sorry, because I suspect that on some levels he's a nice enough guy, but his whole presentation layer is so boring and uninter- esting that nothing he could *possibly* say would affect the direction of the TM movement in any way. Only attention from the general public -- which could invite attention from public tax and legal authorities -- would ever cause them to react. The TMO is the spiritual equivalent of the Republican Party. They will continue to bask in their delusions of grandeur LONG past these delusions' expiration date, unless something or someone forces them to do otherwise. John Hagelin simply doesn't have the phwam! to be that person.
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On 12/20/2012 11:50 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 12:46 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote: I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan. Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about *anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb than John Hagelin. Actually, non-TM crowds really like him. I've seen it at the Science and Non-Duality conference. Anyway, we're talking internal TMO politics. That's still a very narrow community. That's not mass market.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of turquoiseb --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ mailto:rick@ wrote: I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan. Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about *anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb than John Hagelin. Actually, non-TM crowds really like him. I've seen it at the Science and Non-Duality conference. Anyway, we're talking internal TMO politics. No, Rick, THAT is exactly what I mean by being stuck in TM-centric thinking. Nothing can EVER be done to affect change in the TM organization from within its ranks. That's an illusion held by New Age twifs and people like Buck. The only times in recorded history in which the TMO has *ever* responded to legitimate criticism was when it hit the News, big-time. THAT requires someone with considerably more charisma quotient than suit-and-tie, stick-up-his-ass, never-say-a-word-that-Maharishi-wouldn't-have-approved-of John Hagelin. The guy is a science dork, and NO ONE in the real world cares what the fuck he thinks or believes. To affect the TM organization enough to make it reverse its existing, dictated-by-Maharishi policies, it would require PUBLIC humiliation and outcry. Science dweebs simply can't rally that kind of reaction. Never have, never will. I stick with my choices of Oprah, David Lynch, or Sir Paul. If any of THEM ever came out against the TMO's policies, they might change. Hagelin, never. I'm sorry, because I suspect that on some levels he's a nice enough guy, but his whole presentation layer is so boring and uninter- esting that nothing he could *possibly* say would affect the direction of the TM movement in any way. Only attention from the general public -- which could invite attention from public tax and legal authorities -- would ever cause them to react. The TMO is the spiritual equivalent of the Republican Party. They will continue to bask in their delusions of grandeur LONG past these delusions' expiration date, unless something or someone forces them to do otherwise. John Hagelin simply doesn't have the phwam! to be that person. Authfriend and Rick Archer are right here about Hagelin. Hagelin is in it for the long haul and a tantamount leader of meditators everywhere. He is larger than life and among us. He is extremely sharp witted, funny, he listens, is methodical, and does not suffer fools. He has been incredibly productive in re-mapping the teaching movement strategically from even before Maharishi died. You guys who are not here do not see him but he walks among us and is our wise and careful leader in this. He is not in a position to rule by decree as there is a junta to bring along including Bevan and some other Rajas of varying merit. Hagelin is a leader in a way Bevan will probably never be of the larger meditating movement because Bevan carries the weight of so much bad in his wake. It is just the way it is and Bevan has earned his own merit in this. Hagelin is interesting because he has emerged with his reputation in tact. Part figurehead but in action it is Hagelin more than anyone else who has resuscitated and kept the old TM teaching movement in tact and put it on the move again. He demonstrates a kind of endurance that he also demands of his people with him. Here at home or on the trail he is present, visible to us, and tireless. This is the guy who is in fact rallying things, skillfully directing battle, and looked to. This is not Bevan hold up in some mansion. Hagelin is a guy who commands respect by not demanding it. And look at the people around him likewise. He grants a same direct access from all grades and makes his decisions. Tireless yet by his willing sharing the general lot of his people Hagelin engenders admiration as well as loyalty. He obviously enjoys being alongside in the old meditating community with good barbs and dialect. However in the work of the movement he certainly imposes authority as if the Unified Field itself had descended to earth in the form of this common meditator and physicist. I swear my allegiance, -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue. These two statements tied together though, the mission and their welcoming apology as a statement, are something to work off of for dialogue. The mission: The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and defended. I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves. Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yep, this thing coming with The Dome Numbers Cliff, someone is going to have to show some magnanimous leadership to a hurt people to have them come back and help. We're going to need a few hundred more old movement meditators from the community here to come back and there is some deep held feeling that leadership is going to have to deal with to get these numbers to come out from the meditating community here now. My only interest in this is to see them facilitate the numbers in the Dome meditation better and if they can't then step aside and let someone else do it. They've had over thirty years rein of terror, let's see something else.-Buck Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the following points below: Going forward, The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so long need to change Four things: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business' and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or else at least get out of the way. With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation, http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ -Buck This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue. These two statements tied together though, the mission and their welcoming apology as a statement, are something to work off of for dialogue. The mission: The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and defended. I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves. Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yep, this thing coming with The Dome Numbers Cliff, someone is going to have to show some magnanimous leadership to a hurt people to have them come back and
