Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Fear can be irrational. Trust can be out of wisdom, experience or being naive.
 From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 9:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
   
    Do you mean *between* "fear" and "trust"?  You see, we seem to agree on 
this as well.  I would consider these two words virtual opposites.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

There is a big difference in fear and trust.

  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 5:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
 
 My point exactly.  We agree on that point.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Are you afraid of guns? What's this fear thing that you have? Fear leads to 
irrational behavior.

  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 12:58 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
 
 O.K.  I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn from 
the legacy of convict settlers:)

Gun Deaths 
The rate of gun-related suicides and homicides per 100,000 residents in 
Australia has fallen sharply since gun ownership restrictions were tightened in 
1996.  432101970197519801985199019952000200520102013Gun ownership restrictions 
tightened in 1996Source: “Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel 
Data,” American Law and Economics Review, 2010, with updated figures provided 
by a co-author, Christine Neill, and later revisions by the Australian Bureau 
of Statistics.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emptybill@...> wrote :

Em sez:Gun sales alwaysincrease (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the 
great motivator. Exactly true. People like you make me fearful. You are a 
somnambulist that would willfully strip us of allguns – just like Australia. 
This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (EnablingAct). You 
are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked byreality. Better submit to 
Allah and be a slave.Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.
 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I believe it is better in the big picture to choose trust rather than fear as a 
principle to live by.  Both "feelings" inform our decision-making process.  
But, perhaps, in order for "trust" not to be equated to "being naive," one must 
explore the roots of one's fear.  Most must choose and practice trust; fear is 
automatic and reactive and easy.   
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Fear can be irrational. Trust can be out of wisdom, experience or being naive.
 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 9:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
 
 
   Do you mean *between* "fear" and "trust"?  You see, we seem to agree on this 
as well.  I would consider these two words virtual opposites.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 There is a big difference in fear and trust.
 

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 5:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
 
 
   My point exactly.  We agree on that point.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Are you afraid of guns? What's this fear thing that you have? Fear leads to 
irrational behavior.
 

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 12:58 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
 
 
   O.K.  I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn 
from the legacy of convict settlers:)
 

 Gun Deaths  The rate of gun-related suicides and homicides per 100,000 
residents in Australia has fallen sharply since gun ownership restrictions were 
tightened in 1996.  
 
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 Source: “Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel Data,” American Law 
and Economics Review, 2010, with updated figures provided by a co-author, 
Christine Neill, and later revisions by the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emptybill@...> wrote :

 Em sez:
 Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the great 
motivator.
  
 Exactly true. People like you make me fearful.
  
 You are a somnambulist that would willfully strip us of all guns – just like 
Australia. This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling 
Act). You are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked by reality.
  
 Better submit to Allah and be a slave.
 Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.




 
  


 


 












 













 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Em sez:
 Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the great 
motivator.
  
 Exactly true. People like you make me fearful. 
  
 You are a somnambulist that would willfully strip us of all guns – just like 
Australia. This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling 
Act). You are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked by reality.
  
 Better submit to Allah and be a slave. 
 Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the great 
motivator.  It always floors me that some people think the answer is more guns, 
more people carrying guns.  Here's another one 

 President of Liberty University Urges Students to Get Gun Permits 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/president-of-liberty-university-urges-students-to-get-gun-permits.html
 
 
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/president-of-liberty-university-urges-students-to-get-gun-permits.html
 
 
 President of Liberty University Urges Students to Get Gu... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/president-of-liberty-university-urges-students-to-get-gun-permits.html
 Jerry Falwell Jr. suggested that the victims of the California shootings might 
have defended themselves if they had been armed.
 
 
 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/president-of-liberty-university-urges-students-to-get-gun-permits.html
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Just what we need.
 

 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-share
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-share




 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What floors me are some people fear guns more than terrorists.Personally, I 
have no fear of a gun in the possession of someone that has a permit.However, 
someone that is either a thug or terrorist is a different story. Someone that 
goes to the trouble to get a permit, obviously obeys the law. Can you say that 
about a thug or terrorist?

  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 11:24 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
   
    Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the 
great motivator.  It always floors me that some people think the answer is more 
guns, more people carrying guns.  Here's another one
President of Liberty University Urges Students to Get Gun Permits 
||
||||   President of Liberty University Urges Students to 
Get Gu...  Jerry Falwell Jr. suggested that the victims of the California 
shootings might have defended themselves if they had been armed.||
|  View on www.nytimes.com  |Preview by Yahoo|
||

  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

Just what we need.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-share

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 What floors me are some people fear guns more than terrorists.Personally, I 
have no fear of a gun in the possession of someone that has a permit.However, 
someone that is either a thug or terrorist is a different story. Someone that 
goes to the trouble to get a permit, obviously obeys the law. Can you say that 
about a thug or terrorist?
 

 Interesting myth-busting article here:
 11 myths about the future of gun control, debunked after the Charleston 
shooting 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/20/charleston-south-carolina-shooting-gun-control-reform-myths
 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/20/charleston-south-carolina-shooting-gun-control-reform-myths
 
 
 11 myths about the future of gun control, debunked after... 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/20/charleston-south-carolina-shooting-gun-control-reform-myths
 Another mass shooting, another round of arguments about why gun reform is 
doomed to fail. Turns out, most of those arguments don’t hold up to scrutiny
 
 
 
 View on www.theguardian.com 
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/20/charleston-south-carolina-shooting-gun-control-reform-myths
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 

 



 
 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 11:24 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
 
 
   Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the 
great motivator.  It always floors me that some people think the answer is more 
guns, more people carrying guns.  Here's another one
 

 President of Liberty University Urges Students to Get Gun Permits 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/president-of-liberty-university-urges-students-to-get-gun-permits.html
 
 
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/president-of-liberty-university-urges-students-to-get-gun-permits.html
 
 President of Liberty University Urges Students to Get Gu... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/president-of-liberty-university-urges-students-to-get-gun-permits.html
 Jerry Falwell Jr. suggested that the victims of the California shootings might 
have defended themselves if they had been armed.


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/president-of-liberty-university-urges-students-to-get-gun-permits.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

 Just what we need.
 

 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-share
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-share





 
  


 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Empty, babyy! Long time no see. I perceive you've been having a jolly lead 
up to the Christmas season - all jocular and stuff. Good for you. Now, take it 
easy on the strong stuff (Blah Blah) - Good to hear from you again; don't be a 
stranger, okay? :-)  
 Dear Back4Somepin
  
 You are more hopeful ‘cause you are pretty enough to be held high as a jihadi 
bride. I’ll look for your picture on the ISIS websites as the fighting gets 
more fierce.  Just remember me to Allah … saying to Allah … “He wasn’t as bad 
as he seemed” … “He even believed in the Wahid (unique unity) of Allah.” 
  
 Then when your jihadi husband comes back from the battlefield you can say … “I 
prayed to Allah for one of the kufur ‘cause he believed in Wahid. I profess 
that Allah is the Merciful, the Compassionate.”
  
 Maybe the demons will pull me out of the Eternal Fire for a drink of Fire 
Water - which will be cooling and blissful. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Em sez:
 Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the great 
motivator.
  
 Exactly true. People like you make me fearful.
  
 You are a somnambulist that would willfully strip us of all guns – just like 
Australia. This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling 
Act). You are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked by reality.
  
 Better submit to Allah and be a slave.
 Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.
 

 Empty, babyy! Long time no see. I perceive you've been having a jolly lead 
up to the Christmas season - all jocular and stuff. Good for you. Now, take it 
easy on the strong stuff - I can tell you're just the kind of guy who can't 
wait for that opportunity to leap onto the table tops in order to tap dance 
your way to the nearest lampshade in order to plop it firmly on that handsome 
head of yours. Good to hear from you again; don't be a stranger, okay? :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Empty, babyy! Long time no see. I perceive you've been having a jolly lead 
up to the Christmas season - all jocular and stuff. Good for you. Now, take it 
easy on the strong stuff (Blah Blah) - Good to hear from you again; don't be a 
stranger, okay? :-)  
 Dear Back4Somepin
  
 You are more hopeful ‘cause you are pretty enough to be held high as a jihadi 
bride. I’ll look for your picture on the ISIS websites as the fighting gets 
more fierce.  Just remember me to Allah … saying to Allah … “He wasn’t as bad 
as he seemed” … “He even believed in the Wahid (unique unity) of Allah.” 
  
 Then when your jihadi husband comes back from the battlefield you can say … “I 
prayed to Allah for one of the kufur ‘cause he believed in Wahid. I profess 
that Allah is the Merciful, the Compassionate.”
  
 Maybe the demons will pull me out of the Eternal Fire for a drink of Fire 
Water - which will be cooling and blissful. 
 

 See, this is what I like about you Emptypants - you have this active 
imagination. You have painted me as this ferociously faithful wife of a jihad, 
all windblown and dramatically clothed in black with my garments whipping in 
the breeze as my sweaty, heroic Jihadi husband returns from some bloody 
campaign when, in reality, I am here at home wearing sweatpants and hoodie 
sipping a glass of wine while my very Canadian husband is lying on the floor 
cuddling our border collie who is feeling under the weather. Ah, reality sucks, 
eh? But dream on, you know I don't like it when you are conspicuous by your 
absence.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I like it.  "It's a time to unite."  Like what he said about "the right to bear 
arms" also.  :)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 While were at it let's have Field Marshall Von Empty comment about this video:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruVmJs01eo 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruVmJs01eo
 
 (For those afraid to click it is an interview with some members of the mosque 
that the San Bernardino shooter attended speaking out in support of the 
community and recognizing what a terrible tragedy it was).
  
 On 12/06/2015 11:20 AM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   O.K.  I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn 
from the legacy of convict settlers:)
 
 Yep, convicted or not, lets allow them boyz and gurls of Chicago all the guns 
they can steal. After all - gang murders help thin out the "lower classes". 
 
 Commissar Bari2 would be proud. After all, it saves him and his Marxist 
friends from having to do the sewage work themselves. 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I like it.  "It's a time to unite."  Like what he said about "the right to 
bear arms" also.  :)
 

 I liked the expression, "hijacked our faith" in reference to the extremists 
(Sayed and his wife) who happened to be Muslims and who believed in an 
aberrational form of of their religion. Offshoots and branches of mainstream 
beliefs are popping up all the time but to refer to that as an act of 
"hijacking" is a great description.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 While were at it let's have Field Marshall Von Empty comment about this video:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruVmJs01eo 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruVmJs01eo
 
 (For those afraid to click it is an interview with some members of the mosque 
that the San Bernardino shooter attended speaking out in support of the 
community and recognizing what a terrible tragedy it was).
  
 On 12/06/2015 11:20 AM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   O.K.  I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn 
from the legacy of convict settlers:)
 
 Yep, convicted or not, lets allow them boyz and gurls of Chicago all the guns 
they can steal. After all - gang murders help thin out the "lower classes". 
 
 Commissar Bari2 would be proud. After all, it saves him and his Marxist 
friends from having to do the sewage work themselves. 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

There is a big difference in fear and trust.

  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 5:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
   
    My point exactly.  We agree on that point.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Are you afraid of guns? What's this fear thing that you have? Fear leads to 
irrational behavior.

  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 12:58 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
 
 O.K.  I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn from 
the legacy of convict settlers:)

Gun Deaths 
The rate of gun-related suicides and homicides per 100,000 residents in 
Australia has fallen sharply since gun ownership restrictions were tightened in 
1996.  432101970197519801985199019952000200520102013Gun ownership restrictions 
tightened in 1996Source: “Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel 
Data,” American Law and Economics Review, 2010, with updated figures provided 
by a co-author, Christine Neill, and later revisions by the Australian Bureau 
of Statistics.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emptybill@...> wrote :

Em sez:Gun sales alwaysincrease (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the 
great motivator. Exactly true. People like you make me fearful. You are a 
somnambulist that would willfully strip us of allguns – just like Australia. 
This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (EnablingAct). You 
are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked byreality. Better submit to 
Allah and be a slave.Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Do you mean *between* "fear" and "trust"?  You see, we seem to agree on this as 
well.  I would consider these two words virtual opposites.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 There is a big difference in fear and trust.
 

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 5:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
 
 
   My point exactly.  We agree on that point.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Are you afraid of guns? What's this fear thing that you have? Fear leads to 
irrational behavior.
 

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 12:58 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
 
 
   O.K.  I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn 
from the legacy of convict settlers:)
 

 Gun Deaths  The rate of gun-related suicides and homicides per 100,000 
residents in Australia has fallen sharply since gun ownership restrictions were 
tightened in 1996.  
 
 4

 3

 2

 1

 0

 

 1970

 1975

 1980

 1985

 1990

 1995

 2000

 2005

 2010

 2013

 Gun ownership restrictions tightened in 1996



 



 Source: “Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel Data,” American Law 
and Economics Review, 2010, with updated figures provided by a co-author, 
Christine Neill, and later revisions by the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emptybill@...> wrote :

 Em sez:
 Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the great 
motivator.
  
 Exactly true. People like you make me fearful.
  
 You are a somnambulist that would willfully strip us of all guns – just like 
Australia. This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling 
Act). You are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked by reality.
  
 Better submit to Allah and be a slave.
 Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.




 
  


 


 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I think he sees you as a Djinn:
https://youtu.be/Kw6rj4k85Ek

Available on Neflix.  From Tobe Hooper ("Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and 
"Poltergeist")


On 12/06/2015 06:43 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*/Empty, babyy! Long time no see. I perceive you've been having a 
jolly lead up to the Christmas season - all jocular and stuff. Good 
for you. Now, take it easy on the strong stuff /**/(Blah Blah)- Good 
to hear from you again; don't be a stranger, okay? :-)/*


Dear Back4Somepin

You are more hopeful ‘cause you are pretty enough to be held high as a 
jihadi bride. I’ll look for your picture on the ISIS websites as the 
fighting gets more fierce. Just remember me to Allah … saying to Allah 
… “He wasn’t as bad as he seemed” … “He even believed in the Wahid 
(unique unity) of Allah.”


Then when your jihadi husband comes back from the battlefield you can 
say … “I prayed to Allah for one of the kufur ‘cause he believed in 
Wahid. I profess that Allah is the Merciful, the Compassionate.”


Maybe the demons will pull me out of the Eternal Fire for a drink of 
Fire Water - which will be cooling and blissful.



See, this is what I like about you Emptypants - you have this active 
imagination. You have painted me as this ferociously faithful wife of 
a jihad, all windblown and dramatically clothed in black with my 
garments whipping in the breeze as my sweaty, heroic Jihadi husband 
returns from some bloody campaign when, in reality, I am here at home 
wearing sweatpants and hoodie sipping a glass of wine while my very 
Canadian husband is lying on the floor cuddling our border collie who 
is feeling under the weather. Ah, reality sucks, eh? But dream on, you 
know I don't like it when you are conspicuous by your absence.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

O.K.  I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn from 
the legacy of convict settlers:)

Yep, convicted or not, lets allow them boyz and gurls of Chicago all the guns 
they can steal. After all - gang murders help thin out the "lower classes". 

Commissar Bari2 would be proud. After all, it saves him and his Marxist friends 
from having to do the sewage work themselves. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

O.K.  I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn from 
the legacy of convict settlers:) 

 Gun Deaths  The rate of gun-related suicides and homicides per 100,000 
residents in Australia has fallen sharply since gun ownership restrictions were 
tightened in 1996.  
 
 4

 3

 2

 1

 0

 

 1970

 1975

 1980

 1985

 1990

 1995

 2000

 2005

 2010

 2013

 Gun ownership restrictions tightened in 1996



 



 Source: “Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel Data,” American Law 
and Economics Review, 2010, with updated figures provided by a co-author, 
Christine Neill, and later revisions by the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Em sez:
 Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the great 
motivator.
  
 Exactly true. People like you make me fearful.
  
 You are a somnambulist that would willfully strip us of all guns – just like 
Australia. This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling 
Act). You are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked by reality.
  
 Better submit to Allah and be a slave.
 Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.



 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Are you afraid of guns? What's this fear thing that you have? Fear leads to 
irrational behavior.

  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 12:58 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
   
    O.K.  I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn 
from the legacy of convict settlers:)

Gun Deaths 
The rate of gun-related suicides and homicides per 100,000 residents in 
Australia has fallen sharply since gun ownership restrictions were tightened in 
1996.  432101970197519801985199019952000200520102013Gun ownership restrictions 
tightened in 1996Source: “Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel 
Data,” American Law and Economics Review, 2010, with updated figures provided 
by a co-author, Christine Neill, and later revisions by the Australian Bureau 
of Statistics.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emptybill@...> wrote :

Em sez:Gun sales alwaysincrease (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the 
great motivator. Exactly true. People like you make me fearful. You are a 
somnambulist that would willfully strip us of allguns – just like Australia. 
This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (EnablingAct). You 
are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked byreality. Better submit to 
Allah and be a slave.Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

My point exactly.  We agree on that point.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Are you afraid of guns? What's this fear thing that you have? Fear leads to 
irrational behavior.
 

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 12:58 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
 
 
   O.K.  I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn 
from the legacy of convict settlers:)
 

 Gun Deaths  The rate of gun-related suicides and homicides per 100,000 
residents in Australia has fallen sharply since gun ownership restrictions were 
tightened in 1996.  
 
 4

 3

 2

 1

 0

 

 1970

 1975

 1980

 1985

 1990

 1995

 2000

 2005

 2010

 2013

 Gun ownership restrictions tightened in 1996



 



 Source: “Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel Data,” American Law 
and Economics Review, 2010, with updated figures provided by a co-author, 
Christine Neill, and later revisions by the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emptybill@...> wrote :

 Em sez:
 Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the great 
motivator.
  
 Exactly true. People like you make me fearful.
  
 You are a somnambulist that would willfully strip us of all guns – just like 
Australia. This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling 
Act). You are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked by reality.
  
 Better submit to Allah and be a slave.
 Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.




 
  


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

While were at it let's have Field Marshall Von Empty comment about this 
video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruVmJs01eo

(For those afraid to click it is an interview with some members of the 
mosque that the San Bernardino shooter attended speaking out in support 
of the community and recognizing what a terrible tragedy it was).


On 12/06/2015 11:20 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


O.K.  I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could 
learn from the legacy of convict settlers:)


Yep, convicted or not, lets allow them boyz and gurls of Chicago all 
the guns they can steal. After all - gang murders help thin out the 
"lower classes".


Commissar Bari2 would be proud. After all, it saves him and his 
Marxist friends from having to do the sewage work themselves.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It's not the fear of mass shooters, it's the fear of an over reactive federal 
government that would size guns.

  From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 12:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great
   
    Em sez:Gun sales alwaysincrease (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is 
the great motivator. Exactly true. People like you make me fearful.  You are a 
somnambulist that would willfully strip us of allguns – just like Australia. 
This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (EnablingAct). You 
are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked byreality. Better submit to 
Allah and be a slave. Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.  #yiv4073899445 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

You'll feel better after a stay in one of our re-education camps. :-D

On 12/06/2015 11:20 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


O.K.  I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could 
learn from the legacy of convict settlers:)


Yep, convicted or not, lets allow them boyz and gurls of Chicago all 
the guns they can steal. After all - gang murders help thin out the 
"lower classes".


Commissar Bari2 would be proud. After all, it saves him and his 
Marxist friends from having to do the sewage work themselves.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think he sees you as a Djinn:
 https://youtu.be/Kw6rj4k85Ek https://youtu.be/Kw6rj4k85Ek
 
Interesting creature but I don't think so. He sees me as the doting, enslaved 
wife of the jihad dude; I'm basically barefoot and pregnant and being fitted 
for a suicide belt in the near future. LOL
 
 Available on Neflix.  From Tobe Hooper ("Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and 
"Poltergeist")
 
 On 12/06/2015 06:43 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:emptybill@... wrote :
 
 Empty, babyy! Long time no see. I perceive you've been having a jolly lead 
up to the Christmas season - all jocular and stuff. Good for you. Now, take it 
easy on the strong stuff (Blah Blah) - Good to hear from you again; don't be a 
stranger, okay? :-)  
 Dear Back4Somepin
  
 You are more hopeful ‘cause you are pretty enough to be held high as a jihadi 
bride. I’ll look for your picture on the ISIS websites as the fighting gets 
more fierce.  Just remember me to Allah … saying to Allah … “He wasn’t as bad 
as he seemed” … “He even believed in the Wahid (unique unity) of Allah.” 
  
 Then when your jihadi husband comes back from the battlefield you can say … “I 
prayed to Allah for one of the kufur ‘cause he believed in Wahid. I profess 
that Allah is the Merciful, the Compassionate.”
  
 Maybe the demons will pull me out of the Eternal Fire for a drink of Fire 
Water - which will be cooling and blissful. 
 
 
 See, this is what I like about you Emptypants - you have this active 
imagination. You have painted me as this ferociously faithful wife of a jihad, 
all windblown and dramatically clothed in black with my garments whipping in 
the breeze as my sweaty, heroic Jihadi husband returns from some bloody 
campaign when, in reality, I am here at home wearing sweatpants and hoodie 
sipping a glass of wine while my very Canadian husband is lying on the floor 
cuddling our border collie who is feeling under the weather. Ah, reality sucks, 
eh? But dream on, you know I don't like it when you are conspicuous by your 
absence.



 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 
Lack of diversity can kill us. Any form of monoculture is 
dangerous. Nature uses diversity as an insurance to ensure 
that species survive capricious environmental changes and 
diseases.

Scientists say that the Irish potato famine was caused by 
monoculture.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/agriculture _02 
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/agriculture_02


--- anartaxius@... wrote :

 Even hybrid seed producers use a tactic of creating seeds that do not perform 
well if the seeds from the crop are used, protecting their investment. The 
problem with poorer countries with GMO crops is just this — sharing seeds, or 
using seeds harvested from GMO crops. However GMO seeds from GMO crops are used 
under license. Monsanto says they have sued 147 farmers out of 325,000 
customers in the United States for patent infringement. I personally think GMO 
crops could have potential dangers, but the TMO doesn't want them because they 
want to sell their mumbo-jumbo farming techniques, which so far do not seem to 
have any kind of scientific track record for improved yield or food quality or 
cost benefits over conventional organic farming techniques.
 

 I also think lack of diversity will be a big problem. This happened even 
before GMO technology, or even hybridising crops because we select what we like 
to eat and want to grow it without a lot of trouble.

 

--- noozguru@... wrote :

 Thing is companies do this genetic modification because they are desperate for 
making money.  And if they don't do it then someone else will and then their 
stockholders will be in an uproar.  The real beast is capitalism.

--- salyavin808@... wrote :

 

 Exactly. I think the thing that worries me most about GMO's is that the world 
food supply ends up in the hands of bio-tech companies. Farmers in the third 
world have already been sued for sharing last years seeds among themselves 
rather than buying new ones from the manufacturer, along with the pesticides 
they are designed to work with.
 

 Keeping food strains strong via interbreeding by sharing seeds will be a thing 
of the past in our brave new monoculture world.
 
 
 On 02/16/2015 11:33 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... 
mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   They modified the plant to stop producing an enzyme that makes the apple to 
turn brown. Just think, if we could do that to people, we could stop 
discrimination based on skin colour. I would not worry though, humans are 
exceptionally creative in finding things for disliking other people. There are 
many ways to produce 'new' organisms. With genetic engineering one can mimic 
things like cross breeding, or (and this is where the real potential for danger 
comes in) mimic natural mutation, or inserting genes from other species, or 
creating entirely synthetic genes. I think a glow in the dark 'spiritual' gene 
that activates when a person believes a spiritual philosophy with too great a 
percentage of gullibility would help identify people one might want to avoid, 
as the conversation with such would tend to be repetitive without progress. Not 
of much use here though.
 
 
From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:37 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US
 
 
   Just what you've been waiting for: an apple that doesn't turn brown. 
 GMO labeling needs to be federally mandated.
 
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=1
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=1
 





 
 






 
 












  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Monsanto was started by an idealistic scientist who thought he could  
keep the world from starving. Then his marketing department got a hold 
on things and now it's all about making money, not helping feed the world.


Keep in mind that Monsanto started out almost a century ago when no one 
would have imagined that every individual on earth including farmers 
might have a computer or two or three. Computerized farming can allow 
crops to be raised naturally. Monsanto is obsolete and needs to be 
deprecated.


On 02/22/2015 11:39 AM, jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:




Lack of diversity can kill us. Any form of monoculture is
dangerous. Nature uses diversity as an insurance to ensure
that species survive capricious environmental changes and
diseases.

Scientists say that the Irish potato famine was caused by
monoculture.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/agriculture
_02 http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/agriculture_02


--- anartaxius@... wrote :

Even hybrid seed producers use a tactic of creating seeds that do not 
perform well if the seeds from the crop are used, protecting their 
investment. The problem with poorer countries with GMO crops is just 
this — sharing seeds, or using seeds harvested from GMO crops. However 
GMO seeds from GMO crops are used under license. Monsanto says they 
have sued 147 farmers out of 325,000 customers in the United States 
for patent infringement. I personally think GMO crops could have 
potential dangers, but the TMO doesn't want them because they want to 
sell their mumbo-jumbo farming techniques, which so far do not seem to 
have any kind of scientific track record for improved yield or food 
quality or cost benefits over conventional organic farming techniques.


I also think lack of diversity will be a big problem. This happened 
even before GMO technology, or even hybridising crops because we 
select what we like to eat and want to grow it without a lot of trouble.




--- noozguru@... wrote :

Thing is companies do this genetic modification because they are 
desperate for making money.  And if they don't do it then someone else 
will and then their stockholders will be in an uproar.  The real beast 
is capitalism.


--- salyavin808@... wrote :

Exactly. I think the thing that worries me most about GMO's is that 
the world food supply ends up in the hands of bio-tech companies. 
Farmers in the third world have already been sued for sharing last 
years seeds among themselves rather than buying new ones from the 
manufacturer, along with the pesticides they are designed to work with.


Keeping food strains strong via interbreeding by sharing seeds will be 
a thing of the past in our brave new monoculture world.



On 02/16/2015 11:33 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... 
mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:


They modified the plant to stop producing an enzyme that makes
the apple to turn brown. Just think, if we could do that to
people, we could stop discrimination based on skin colour. I
would not worry though, humans are exceptionally creative in
finding things for disliking other people. There are many ways
to produce 'new' organisms. With genetic engineering one can
mimic things like cross breeding, or (and this is where the
real potential for danger comes in) mimic natural mutation, or
inserting genes from other species, or creating entirely
synthetic genes. I think a glow in the dark 'spiritual' gene
that activates when a person believes a spiritual philosophy
with too great a percentage of gullibility would help identify
people one might want to avoid, as the conversation with such
would tend to be repetitive without progress. Not of much use
here though.


*From:* Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@...
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 5:37 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Oh great! GMO apples approved for
growing in the US

Just what you've been waiting for: an apple that doesn't turn
brown.
GMO labeling needs to be federally mandated.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=1

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 I'm still a meditator (2x daily for 20 minutes since 1975).  Used to do the 
Siddhis, but the time investment got way to large for the return.  Does this 
put me in the TB camp.  Fine.  I don't really care one way or the other. 

This topic came up a few years ago over on Google Groups. There should be a 
note posted to FFL that being a True Believer has not been established. But, 
the subject is often discussed and usually is taken to mean a belief in yogic 
flying.  

So, who is a TB? Obviously the TurqoiseB is a TB, since he believes in human 
levitation - suspension in mid air with no physical means of support. Go figure.

We all have beliefs, but the term in this context really means just one thing: 
a belief in the perfectibility of man, or enlightenment - the possibility of 
rising above human suffering through right knowledge. 

The catch is that if a person believes only in the material existence and 
rejects the spiritual, he or she then loses everything and relapses into 
nihilism. For is the material world is but an illusion and not real - you 
reject the spiritual, you have nothing.

 Lately, I'm here for the book, film and tv recommendations since this is a 
pretty damn smart group in spite of the histrioncs.

There are some pretty smart informants on FFL but apparently not very many 
actually read books, at leas so far as I can tell. Rita doesn't like me 
commandeering the TV remote control and laying on the couch for hours at a time 
watching TV and movies. When we do watch a show it's usually family time. I 
guess the other guys go up to their bedroom and watch downloaded movies they 
get from Pirate Bay, but I'm just not into onanism. LoL!

I've been mostly a lurker here over the years and I would hvae to agree that 
the state of forum has sadly declined.  Some issues really get my goat and so I 
speak up.  Free speech is one.  The right to know is another.  I see a general 
decline in civility everywhere these days, though, not just here...

There is orchestrated trend right now to try to smear by association.  It's a 
very old trick, but folks still use it because it works

Here are some great quotes from some of the resident informants:

Try not to be a cunt. 

what exactly is a tosser other than being like Willy? 

You are a dishonest malicious troll and I wish you would join the rest of your 
kind on the other site.

Share, unless you are intentionally trying to appear dumber than a bucket of 
hammers...



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I've been enjoying Empire which plays on FOX.  It's a very good 
representation of the politics of the music industry of which I was a 
part for many years.  I've also been watching episodes of the original 
Australian version of The Slap on Hulu+.  I'll be comparing episode 
two of the NBC version tonight also via Hulu+.   The Australian version 
is much more HBO like and couldn't be broadcast in prudish backward 
America. Melissa George plays the same role in both versions and does an 
exceptional job for such a complex character.


The lack of civility comes primarily from overpopulation and 
inequality.  People are feeling pinched and yet they won't do anything 
about it.  They should be taking to the streets in mass and forming a 
New Robin Hood Society to rescue the rich for their excess wealth that 
makes them insane. :-D


On 02/19/2015 04:17 PM, ultrarishi wrote:


I'm still a meditator (2x daily for 20 minutes since 1975).  Used to 
do the Siddhis, but the time investment got way to large for the 
return.  Does this put me in the TB camp.  Fine.  I don't really care 
one way or the other.  Lately, I'm here for the book, film and tv 
recommendations since this is a pretty damn smart group in spite of 
the histrioncs.


I've been mostly a lurker here over the years and I would hvae to 
agree that the state of forum has sadly declined. Some issues really 
get my goat and so I speak up.  Free speech is one.  The right to know 
is another.  I see a general decline in civility everywhere these 
days, though, not just here.  Somebody tell Kanye to just STFU, 
please, or get his own show on Comedy Central.


There is orchestrated trend right now to try to smear by association.  
It's a very old trick, but folks still use it because it works.  It's 
being applied to the anti GMO folks by trying to associate them with 
the anti vaxers, the global warming denyers and the we never went to 
the moon nonsense.  Truth be known, it's just the opposition trying 
to change the narrative away from them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 I've been enjoying Empire which plays on FOX.  It's a very good 
representation of the politics of the music industry of which I was a part for 
many years.  I've also been watching episodes of the original Australian 
version of The Slap on Hulu+.  I'll be comparing episode two of the NBC 
version tonight also via Hulu+.   The Australian version is much more HBO like 
and couldn't be broadcast in prudish backward America.  Melissa George plays 
the same role in both versions and does an exceptional job for such a complex 
character.

According to what I've read, human overpopulation occurs if the number of 
people in a group exceeds the carrying capacity of a region occupied by that 
group. 
 
 The lack of civility comes primarily from overpopulation and inequality.  
People are feeling pinched and yet they won't do anything about it.  They 
should be taking to the streets in mass and forming a New Robin Hood Society to 
rescue the rich for their excess wealth that makes them insane. :-D 

Non sequitur. Overpopulation mainly occurs in third world countries with high 
birth rates. It's a problem in China and India and Sub-Saharan Africa, but not 
in the Western world, however the population of these countries will slow due 
to the stability brought on by rising wealth and economic stability. 

Obviously the solution to overpopulation is birth control and urbanization, not 
wealth reidtribution.
 
 On 02/19/2015 04:17 PM, ultrarishi wrote:
 
   I'm still a meditator (2x daily for 20 minutes since 1975).  Used to do the 
Siddhis, but the time investment got way to large for the return.  Does this 
put me in the TB camp.  Fine.  I don't really care one way or the other.  
Lately, I'm here for the book, film and tv recommendations since this is a 
pretty damn smart group in spite of the histrioncs.
 
 I've been mostly a lurker here over the years and I would hvae to agree that 
the state of forum has sadly declined.  Some issues really get my goat and so I 
speak up.  Free speech is one.  The right to know is another.  I see a general 
decline in civility everywhere these days, though, not just here.  Somebody 
tell Kanye to just STFU, please, or get his own show on Comedy Central.
 
 There is orchestrated trend right now to try to smear by association.  It's a 
very old trick, but folks still use it because it works.  It's being applied to 
the anti GMO folks by trying to associate them with the anti vaxers, the global 
warming denyers and the we never went to the moon nonsense.  Truth be known, 
it's just the opposition trying to change the narrative away from them.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 What you have to realize Mr. Rishi, is that after the recent FFL schism, I'm 
the only True Believer posting to this forum with any consistency - all the 
other TBs were chased off due to the crude insults of the atheists. 

There are one of two TMers still trying to get in a word or two edgewise, but 
most of them went over to the other forum a few weeks ago. At present, no 
female TMers respondents are allowed to post here at the risk of getting 
degraded, so they left. 

What I'm trying to do is post messages that are the middle way from outright 
rejection of spiritual life and blind acceptance of cult mentality. There are 
no TMers left on this list but me (SIMS 1967 TMer #214 in the USA according to 
Bealuah Smith). 

Correct me if I'm wrong about this. Thanks. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 This conversation is fun!

So, now I'm being needle for making a large, carbon footprint for traveling all 
over God's creation in pursuit of my GMO and Organic goodies.  Number 1:  if 
you look at the pdf. I posted of the Tri County Area Farmer's Markets, I pretty 
much can't travel in any direction without bumping into one of tem.
Number 2:  Trader Joe's, New Season's Market and Whole Paycheck are all closer 
or the same distance than the majors.  I made the point earlier that bright 
capitalist in our area are going after the under served. Number 3:  A 
subastantially less amount of fossil fuel is expended in the growing and 
raising  of the same food stuffs when organic. Especially when local.  How do 
like them gmo free / organic apples!?  Plus the added benefit of not having 
paid lobbiest who use the FDA Job revolving door.

Back to those heirloom tomatoes.  That was more of a sexual tantric moment than 
one of religious ectasy, but sometimes I get the 2 confused :-)

My wife and I managed to do all this on an income that is at the poverty level. 
 WE ain't rich. We accept no assistance for Uncle Sugar.

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks, Emily for the link, but I'm too old to be digging and sweating on a 
farm. I've got so much more to do and so little time to be doing it in. If I 
can make time, I'll walk to the farmers market this weekend with the family dog 
to get some exercise and maintain my range of motion, but there's not much I 
need in the way of dietary intake since I already bought a pound of brown rice 
and a bottle of shoyu at Whole Foods last week - I'm not a big eater anymore 
and Rita will pick out all the veggies I might need and serve them to me in a 
wooden bowl. 

I'm just no longer preoccupied with eating, having reached my target weight - 
it's a personal thing. You can do whatever you like of course.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote :

 So, you are saying it is just a personal taste test for you, right?  Because 
it is far more than that for most.  Most produce bought in grocery stores, 
including Whole Paycheck, pales in comparison to what is harvested and eaten 
directly from a garden.  Here's some science for you - :) 

 GMO Science http://www.nongmoproject.org/learn-more/gmo-myths-and-truths/ 
 
 http://www.nongmoproject.org/learn-more/gmo-myths-and-truths/
 
 GMO Science http://www.nongmoproject.org/learn-more/gmo-myths-and-truths/ 
Click here to download the second edition of GMO Myths and Truths - an 
evidence-based examination of the claims made for the safety and efficac...


 
 View on www.nongmoproject.org 
http://www.nongmoproject.org/learn-more/gmo-myths-and-truths/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

 
 So, it's a taste preference, but there's no science behind it. I think that's 
what I said - it's just a cult mind-set that you still have from your days 
working for the TMO, sort of like an indoctrination. Sometimes it takes years 
to get over the cognitive dissonance when you've been in a religious cult as 
long as you were. 

Just because your guru, the Maharishi said so, doesn't make it true. 

According to the science, there's no difference, nutrition-wise, between GMO 
and non-GMO food, organic or not. It's just a personal taste test. You can make 
a religion out of eating certain foods if you want to, but it just that. That's 
my point.

I thought we had some science-writers on this forum. Go figure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 there is a hellofa taste difference between commercially raised veggies and 
the ones I get from my brother who grows his in his rather large garden - he is 
about 90% organic I guess and his produce is mighty fine. 

 

 Big difference in taste also in the farm raised shrimp you get in the grocery 
store and the wild caught ones we get from the buyers in McClellanville SC who 
get them from the shrimpers who operate day boats. Big difference in flavor for 
sure.

 

 From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:04 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the 
US
 
 
   You are right, I have not provided any links to show the safety of organic 
vs. non organic and I'm not going to.  I have researched this enough over the 
decades that I am quite comfortable with what I have seen, experienced and 
learn.

Have you seen who is behind the geneticliteracyproject.org.  It's just one of 
the many faces of the Hydra that Koch Bros. spawn every 5 minutes.  And if you 
give them a little time we will see something like
Americans For Food Security, Alimentary Crossroads, and the Coffee Tea and Me 
Party.

Even if GMO and non organic food was perfectly safe, it has been horrible 
practice internationally.  The vast majority of antibiotics given out are going 
to animals because of the unsanitary and inhumane ways they are raised.  We are 
practicing monoculture which creates extreme food insecurity when your crops 
are stricken with blight.  We have our economy dominated by big oil, big pharma 
and big agra which are not innovating the drugs we need, especially antibiotics 
and rendering what we have into uselessness.  We fight wars in hot, dusty 
countries that hate us (and for good reason) and modern agricultural practices 
have destroyed the small farm and created margins so small for farmers it's 
just not worth it to them.  The big companies are just like our financial 
institutions where they have gotten so large they are too big to fail.  So, 
even if their products are perfectly safe I refuse to buy them because they are 
destroying small business, our health system, our economy, our respect in the 
world.  They are a time bomb. 


Genetic Literacy Project is directed by Jon Entine, who is a Fellow at the 
American Enterprise Insttitute. One of his recent clients (drum roll please) 
was Monsanto!  Big surprise!  

So, I'm not going to take the bait and engage in a discussion about where is 
all the research.  There is plenty of good reason

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

I'm still a meditator (2x daily for 20 minutes since 1975).  Used to do the 
Siddhis, but the time investment got way to large for the return.  Does this 
put me in the TB camp.  Fine.  I don't really care one way or the other.  
Lately, I'm here for the book, film and tv recommendations since this is a 
pretty damn smart group in spite of the histrioncs.

I've been mostly a lurker here over the years and I would hvae to agree that 
the state of forum has sadly declined.  Some issues really get my goat and so I 
speak up.  Free speech is one.  The right to know is another.  I see a general 
decline in civility everywhere these days, though, not just here.  Somebody 
tell Kanye to just STFU, please, or get his own show on Comedy Central.

There is orchestrated trend right now to try to smear by association.  It's a 
very old trick, but folks still use it because it works.  It's being applied to 
the anti GMO folks by trying to associate them with the anti vaxers, the global 
warming denyers and the we never went to the moon nonsense.  Truth be known, 
it's just the opposition trying to change the narrative away from them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Your diet sound pretty sensible to me, Mike. We are not big eaters anymore, so 
we are particular about what we do spend our money on. 

Only rich people have enough money and time to eat organic and worry about 
things like GMO apples. Most people are too poor to be worried about whether 
their apples turn brown or not - they just eat what they can find for a bargain 
at the local Safeway grocery store. 

Those folks that have to walk to the store usually shop at a convenience store 
using food stamps or get take-out food. And the vast majority of poor people 
live in a food desert. Millions of people eat in soup lines provided by charity.

You live in a food desert if you can't walk a few blocks to buy reasonably 
priced nutritious food. If you have to take a bus or a car miles to the grocery 
store, you live in a food desert. 

Only rich people can afford good food to eat, that's my point. 

Most people are therefore addicted to junk food and consequently they are in 
bad health. What we need are good food stores in urban areas where poor people 
live, so they don't have to ride a bus five miles just to get to the Safeway.

Relative to the rest of the world's population, you are in the 1% if you own a 
car and can afford gasoline. If you can afford to drive a car to Whole Foods or 
to a farmer's market, you are in the 1%. You are rich in comparison to the 
average world population. Only the elite in society even think about GMO or not.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :

 
 Actually, I can more than afford to be on a similar diet but have never been 
into the *organic/ natural  health food* craze. Organic/*inorganic*, all the 
same to me. I've always settled for Maharishi's *original* advice on diet, eat 
what your mother gives you, although that has been severely modified since 
undergoing gastric by pass. I probably follow closer to a paleo type diet of 
lean meats, fruits, nuts and vegetables, keeping sugar, grains and dairy to a 
minimum. If it can pass the FDA system, I'm cool with it. Just don't feed me 
any dog treats from China! Growing up a fat kid, I never expected to live past 
40 and here I am 63 and  in pretty good health. Every day is just icing on the 
cake for me as far as I'm concerned. I'll just keep doing my tapas and being a 
burden on SS, Medicare and my pension plan for as long as I can.
 
 From: richard@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the 
US
 
 
   The last time I checked this forum, I was the only informant that claimed to 
be on an organic natural foods diet and shopped at Whole Foods Market. 
Apparently I'm the only guy on FFL that can afford to shop at whole Foods and 
that's because I am not a big eater. Correct if I'm wrong about this.

So, it's really funny reading about opposition to a GMO apple that doesn't 
turn brown. I would think that there would be more opposition to the 
insecticides and antibiotics contained on and in non-organic foods such as beef 
and chicken. 

So, maybe somebody could fill me in on the sources of the food they eat. Thanks.

I know a guy that drives all the way across town just so he can buy a bag of 
unsulphured raisins. I live two blocks from Whole Foods and even that is a long 
walk. You can imagine how much destruction to the environment there is if 
thousands of cars are driven to the farmer's market every day just to check the 
labels on apples. It just doesn't make any sense. Go figure.


 


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Turq -  I lin Hillsboro, Oregon.  Took a job transfer here 20 years ago and 
moved from San Mateo, California.
Last year, we had a GMO labeling requirement on the ballot.  It was Oregon's 
most expensive election issue EVER.  That tells me something.  The labeling 
requirement lost, but they were outspent 3 to 1 by the Frankenfood Companies.  
Even if GMO  food can be shown to be safe, I firmly believe we have an inherent 
right to know what we are being sold and putting in our bodies.  

Like, Bhairitu is pointing out a bunch of stores and products now label their 
products as non GMO anyway.  New Seasons and Whole Foods are behind this 
effort.  This is where our dollars go.



 


 











  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Farmers markets are year round here. The produce selection this winter 
has been pretty dismal due to the drought.


When I was living in Seattle I shopped the co-op.  Some of our 
supermarkets, like Raley's, have large organic produce sections and it's 
sometime worth checking prices because some items might be on sale for 
less than the non-organic.


On 02/17/2015 10:18 PM, ultrarishi wrote:


And I forgot the Farmer's Markets (as in plural)!  They are seasonal, 
obviously, so the don't come readily to mind, especially this time of 
the year.  In addition to the people also subscribe to Food 
Cooperatives.  Many of our friends split a subscription because the 
bounty is so large.


Here's a link to last year's Farmer's Market Guide.  Dr. Triguna would 
be proud of how seasonal our eating is,

LOL!

http://www.tricountyfarm.org/files/2014_tc_ffg.pdf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

We eat organic natural foods because we enjoy them and can afford them and we 
live within walking distance of a Whole Foods Market, a Trader Joe's, and a 
week-end Farmer's Market. The vast majority of people cannot access these food 
sources or afford the higher prices. You are considered part of the elite if 
you shop for food at these establishments.

You failed to provide any links or cite any sources that would indicate that 
organic or non-GMO foods are superior to human health over normal foods 
purchased at a Safeway food store. Organic food preferences are simply personal 
preferences, cult fads and the food fetishes of rich people. You also failed to 
provide any alternative sources for the availability of food to the mass of 
humanity.

There is no scientific proof that organic or natural foods contribute anything 
to improved human health over normal food in a Safeway store.  According to 
what I've read, there is broad scientific consensus that food on the market 
derived from GM crops does not pose any greater risk to human health than 
conventional food.

In fact, 'factories' located within the plant itself are now known to make new 
genes. The new genes are composed of pieces of old genes and are put together 
haphazardly. Hence, we have always been eating foods containing brand new — but 
totally uncharacterized —genes.

http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/02/17/confession-of-a-liberal-organic-food-consumer-and-scientist-i-support-gmos/
 
http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/02/17/confession-of-a-liberal-organic-food-consumer-and-scientist-i-support-gmos/
  

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Farmers markets are year round here.  The produce selection this winter has 
been pretty dismal due to the drought.
 
 When I was living in Seattle I shopped the co-op.  Some of our supermarkets, 
like Raley's, have large organic produce sections and it's sometime worth 
checking prices because some items might be on sale for less than the 
non-organic.
 
 On 02/17/2015 10:18 PM, ultrarishi wrote:
 
   And I forgot the Farmer's Markets (as in plural)!  They are seasonal, 
obviously, so the don't come readily to mind, especially this time of the year. 
 In addition to the people also subscribe to Food Cooperatives.  Many of our 
friends split a subscription because the bounty is so large.
 
 Here's a link to last year's Farmer's Market Guide.  Dr. Triguna would be 
proud of how seasonal our eating is,
 LOL!
 
 http://www.tricountyfarm.org/files/2014_tc_ffg.pdf 
http://www.tricountyfarm.org/files/2014_tc_ffg.pdf

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Well, just to admit it, I thought I'd died and gone to heaven (I mean dropped 
the body) when I had my first heirloom tomato also.  Since then, I've 
discovered they aren't all bursting with succulent flavor and meaty 
texturenot the one's in the stores that is, but that first one had me 
hooked and I am always searching.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 This conversation is fun!

So, now I'm being needle for making a large, carbon footprint for traveling all 
over God's creation in pursuit of my GMO and Organic goodies.  Number 1:  if 
you look at the pdf. I posted of the Tri County Area Farmer's Markets, I pretty 
much can't travel in any direction without bumping into one of tem.
Number 2:  Trader Joe's, New Season's Market and Whole Paycheck are all closer 
or the same distance than the majors.  I made the point earlier that bright 
capitalist in our area are going after the under served. Number 3:  A 
subastantially less amount of fossil fuel is expended in the growing and 
raising  of the same food stuffs when organic. Especially when local.  How do 
like them gmo free / organic apples!?  Plus the added benefit of not having 
paid lobbiest who use the FDA Job revolving door.

Back to those heirloom tomatoes.  That was more of a sexual tantric moment than 
one of religious ectasy, but sometimes I get the 2 confused :-)

My wife and I managed to do all this on an income that is at the poverty level. 
 WE ain't rich. We accept no assistance for Uncle Sugar.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So, you are saying it is just a personal taste test for you, right?  Because it 
is far more than that for most.  Most produce bought in grocery stores, 
including Whole Paycheck, pales in comparison to what is harvested and eaten 
directly from a garden.  Here's some science for you - :) 

 GMO Science http://www.nongmoproject.org/learn-more/gmo-myths-and-truths/ 
 
 http://www.nongmoproject.org/learn-more/gmo-myths-and-truths/ 
 
 GMO Science http://www.nongmoproject.org/learn-more/gmo-myths-and-truths/ 
Click here to download the second edition of GMO Myths and Truths - an 
evidence-based examination of the claims made for the safety and efficac...
 
 
 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

 
 So, it's a taste preference, but there's no science behind it. I think that's 
what I said - it's just a cult mind-set that you still have from your days 
working for the TMO, sort of like an indoctrination. Sometimes it takes years 
to get over the cognitive dissonance when you've been in a religious cult as 
long as you were. 

Just because your guru, the Maharishi said so, doesn't make it true. 

According to the science, there's no difference, nutrition-wise, between GMO 
and non-GMO food, organic or not. It's just a personal taste test. You can make 
a religion out of eating certain foods if you want to, but it just that. That's 
my point.

I thought we had some science-writers on this forum. Go figure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 there is a hellofa taste difference between commercially raised veggies and 
the ones I get from my brother who grows his in his rather large garden - he is 
about 90% organic I guess and his produce is mighty fine. 

 

 Big difference in taste also in the farm raised shrimp you get in the grocery 
store and the wild caught ones we get from the buyers in McClellanville SC who 
get them from the shrimpers who operate day boats. Big difference in flavor for 
sure.

 

 From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:04 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the 
US
 
 
   You are right, I have not provided any links to show the safety of organic 
vs. non organic and I'm not going to.  I have researched this enough over the 
decades that I am quite comfortable with what I have seen, experienced and 
learn.

Have you seen who is behind the geneticliteracyproject.org.  It's just one of 
the many faces of the Hydra that Koch Bros. spawn every 5 minutes.  And if you 
give them a little time we will see something like
Americans For Food Security, Alimentary Crossroads, and the Coffee Tea and Me 
Party.

Even if GMO and non organic food was perfectly safe, it has been horrible 
practice internationally.  The vast majority of antibiotics given out are going 
to animals because of the unsanitary and inhumane ways they are raised.  We are 
practicing monoculture which creates extreme food insecurity when your crops 
are stricken with blight.  We have our economy dominated by big oil, big pharma 
and big agra which are not innovating the drugs we need, especially antibiotics 
and rendering what we have into uselessness.  We fight wars in hot, dusty 
countries that hate us (and for good reason) and modern agricultural practices 
have destroyed the small farm and created margins so small for farmers it's 
just not worth it to them.  The big companies are just like our financial 
institutions where they have gotten so large they are too big to fail.  So, 
even if their products are perfectly safe I refuse to buy them because they are 
destroying small business, our health system, our economy, our respect in the 
world.  They are a time bomb. 


Genetic Literacy Project is directed by Jon Entine, who is a Fellow at the 
American Enterprise Insttitute. One of his recent clients (drum roll please) 
was Monsanto!  Big surprise!  

So, I'm not going to take the bait and engage in a discussion about where is 
all the research.  There is plenty of good reason NOT to eat these foods that 
have little to do with food safety.  I am trying to keep as much of the money I 
earn in circulation in small, local business who live where I live, have 
sustainable practices and treat their employees (my neighbors) well.  I do not 
want to give money to the robber barons who are destroying this country while 
suspressing wages, free speech, corporate transparency and accountability, 
wantonly ignore global warming, screw the good work some NGO's are doing, 
corrupting politics, and supporting big tobacco.  I am sure they have lots of 
studies that prove not only are these nerve toxins safe on our foods, etc., 
but, in fact, are great for us.  To steal one of my favorite quotes:   I never 
meta-analysis I didn't like

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

This conversation is fun!

So, now I'm being needle for making a large, carbon footprint for traveling all 
over God's creation in pursuit of my GMO and Organic goodies.  Number 1:  if 
you look at the pdf. I posted of the Tri County Area Farmer's Markets, I pretty 
much can't travel in any direction without bumping into one of tem.
Number 2:  Trader Joe's, New Season's Market and Whole Paycheck are all closer 
or the same distance than the majors.  I made the point earlier that bright 
capitalist in our area are going after the under served. Number 3:  A 
subastantially less amount of fossil fuel is expended in the growing and 
raising  of the same food stuffs when organic. Especially when local.  How do 
like them gmo free / organic apples!?  Plus the added benefit of not having 
paid lobbiest who use the FDA Job revolving door.

Back to those heirloom tomatoes.  That was more of a sexual tantric moment than 
one of religious ectasy, but sometimes I get the 2 confused :-)

My wife and I managed to do all this on an income that is at the poverty level. 
 WE ain't rich. We accept no assistance for Uncle Sugar.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

You are right, I have not provided any links to show the safety of organic vs. 
non organic and I'm not going to.  I have researched this enough over the 
decades that I am quite comfortable with what I have seen, experienced and 
learn.

Have you seen who is behind the geneticliteracyproject.org.  It's just one of 
the many faces of the Hydra that Koch Bros. spawn every 5 minutes.  And if you 
give them a little time we will see something like
Americans For Food Security, Alimentary Crossroads, and the Coffee Tea and Me 
Party.

Even if GMO and non organic food was perfectly safe, it has been horrible 
practice internationally.  The vast majority of antibiotics given out are going 
to animals because of the unsanitary and inhumane ways they are raised.  We are 
practicing monoculture which creates extreme food insecurity when your crops 
are stricken with blight.  We have our economy dominated by big oil, big pharma 
and big agra which are not innovating the drugs we need, especially antibiotics 
and rendering what we have into uselessness.  We fight wars in hot, dusty 
countries that hate us (and for good reason) and modern agricultural practices 
have destroyed the small farm and created margins so small for farmers it's 
just not worth it to them.  The big companies are just like our financial 
institutions where they have gotten so large they are too big to fail.  So, 
even if their products are perfectly safe I refuse to buy them because they are 
destroying small business, our health system, our economy, our respect in the 
world.  They are a time bomb. 


Genetic Literacy Project is directed by Jon Entine, who is a Fellow at the 
American Enterprise Insttitute. One of his recent clients (drum roll please) 
was Monsanto!  Big surprise!  

So, I'm not going to take the bait and engage in a discussion about where is 
all the research.  There is plenty of good reason NOT to eat these foods that 
have little to do with food safety.  I am trying to keep as much of the money I 
earn in circulation in small, local business who live where I live, have 
sustainable practices and treat their employees (my neighbors) well.  I do not 
want to give money to the robber barons who are destroying this country while 
suspressing wages, free speech, corporate transparency and accountability, 
wantonly ignore global warming, screw the good work some NGO's are doing, 
corrupting politics, and supporting big tobacco.  I am sure they have lots of 
studies that prove not only are these nerve toxins safe on our foods, etc., 
but, in fact, are great for us.  To steal one of my favorite quotes:   I never 
meta-analysis I didn't like!



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

 We eat organic natural foods because we enjoy them and can afford them and we 
live within walking distance of a Whole Foods Market, a Trader Joe's, and a 
week-end Farmer's Market. The vast majority of people cannot access these food 
sources or afford the higher prices. You are considered part of the elite if 
you shop for food at these establishments.

You failed to provide any links or cite any sources that would indicate that 
organic or non-GMO foods are superior to human health over normal foods 
purchased at a Safeway food store. Organic food preferences are simply personal 
preferences, cult fads and the food fetishes of rich people. You also failed to 
provide any alternative sources for the availability of food to the mass of 
humanity.

There is no scientific proof that organic or natural foods contribute anything 
to improved human health over normal food in a Safeway store.  According to 
what I've read, there is broad scientific consensus that food on the market 
derived from GM crops does not pose any greater risk to human health than 
conventional food.

In fact, 'factories' located within the plant itself are now known to make new 
genes. The new genes are composed of pieces of old genes and are put together 
haphazardly. Hence, we have always been eating foods containing brand new — but 
totally uncharacterized —genes.

http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/02/17/confession-of-a-liberal-organic-food-consumer-and-scientist-i-support-gmos/
 
http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/02/17/confession-of-a-liberal-organic-food-consumer-and-scientist-i-support-gmos/
  

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Farmers markets are year round here.  The produce selection this winter has 
been pretty dismal due to the drought.
 
 When I was living in Seattle I shopped the co-op.  Some of our supermarkets, 
like Raley's, have large organic produce sections and it's sometime worth 
checking prices because some items might be on sale for less than the 
non-organic.
 
 On 02/17/2015 10:18 PM, ultrarishi wrote:
 
   And I forgot the Farmer's Markets (as in plural)!  They are seasonal, 
obviously, so the don't come readily to mind, especially this time of the year. 
 In addition to the people also subscribe 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 You are right, I have not provided any links to show the safety of organic vs. 
non organic and I'm not going to.  I have researched this enough over the 
decades that I am quite comfortable with what I have seen, experienced and 
learn.

So, you don't want to talk about the science. While we agree that natural foods 
are a personal preference, the reasoning behind  your decisions sound like a 
food fetish - just because your guru says something doesn't mean it's the 
absolute truth. Your message sounds more religious and political than logical. 

If he reads this, I'm sure your explanation won't be lost on Barry and Mike.

Have you seen who is behind the geneticliteracyproject.org.  It's just one of 
the many faces of the Hydra that Koch Bros. spawn every 5 minutes.  And if you 
give them a little time we will see something like
Americans For Food Security, Alimentary Crossroads, and the Coffee Tea and Me 
Party.

Even if GMO and non organic food was perfectly safe, it has been horrible 
practice internationally.  The vast majority of antibiotics given out are going 
to animals because of the unsanitary and inhumane ways they are raised.  We are 
practicing monoculture which creates extreme food insecurity when your crops 
are stricken with blight.  We have our economy dominated by big oil, big pharma 
and big agra which are not innovating the drugs we need, especially antibiotics 
and rendering what we have into uselessness.  We fight wars in hot, dusty 
countries that hate us (and for good reason) and modern agricultural practices 
have destroyed the small farm and created margins so small for farmers it's 
just not worth it to them.  The big companies are just like our financial 
institutions where they have gotten so large they are too big to fail.  So, 
even if their products are perfectly safe I refuse to buy them because they are 
destroying small business, our health system, our economy, our respect in the 
world.  They are a time bomb. 


Genetic Literacy Project is directed by Jon Entine, who is a Fellow at the 
American Enterprise Insttitute. One of his recent clients (drum roll please) 
was Monsanto!  Big surprise!  

So, I'm not going to take the bait and engage in a discussion about where is 
all the research.  There is plenty of good reason NOT to eat these foods that 
have little to do with food safety.  I am trying to keep as much of the money I 
earn in circulation in small, local business who live where I live, have 
sustainable practices and treat their employees (my neighbors) well.  I do not 
want to give money to the robber barons who are destroying this country while 
suspressing wages, free speech, corporate transparency and accountability, 
wantonly ignore global warming, screw the good work some NGO's are doing, 
corrupting politics, and supporting big tobacco.  I am sure they have lots of 
studies that prove not only are these nerve toxins safe on our foods, etc., 
but, in fact, are great for us.  To steal one of my favorite quotes:   I never 
meta-analysis I didn't like!



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

 We eat organic natural foods because we enjoy them and can afford them and we 
live within walking distance of a Whole Foods Market, a Trader Joe's, and a 
week-end Farmer's Market. The vast majority of people cannot access these food 
sources or afford the higher prices. You are considered part of the elite if 
you shop for food at these establishments.

You failed to provide any links or cite any sources that would indicate that 
organic or non-GMO foods are superior to human health over normal foods 
purchased at a Safeway food store. Organic food preferences are simply personal 
preferences, cult fads and the food fetishes of rich people. You also failed to 
provide any alternative sources for the availability of food to the mass of 
humanity.

There is no scientific proof that organic or natural foods contribute anything 
to improved human health over normal food in a Safeway store.  According to 
what I've read, there is broad scientific consensus that food on the market 
derived from GM crops does not pose any greater risk to human health than 
conventional food.

In fact, 'factories' located within the plant itself are now known to make new 
genes. The new genes are composed of pieces of old genes and are put together 
haphazardly. Hence, we have always been eating foods containing brand new — but 
totally uncharacterized —genes.

http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/02/17/confession-of-a-liberal-organic-food-consumer-and-scientist-i-support-gmos/
 
http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/02/17/confession-of-a-liberal-organic-food-consumer-and-scientist-i-support-gmos/
  

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Farmers markets are year round here.  The produce selection this winter has 
been pretty dismal due to the drought.
 
 When I was 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

Can Pesticides Be Rinsed Off? | NutritionFacts.org 
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/can-pesticides-be-rinsed-off/ 
 
 http://nutritionfacts.org/video/can-pesticides-be-rinsed-off/ 
 
 Can Pesticides Be Rinsed Off? | NutritionFacts.org 
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/can-pesticides-be-rinsed-off/ Researchers 
measure the impact of eating organic on the levels of pesticides in our 
children.
 
 
 
 View on nutritionfacts.org 
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Enjoy!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Isn't that just like a TMer - say something they don't agree with and they 
call you a name and try to get everyone else to shun you. Go figure.

Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander
opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by 
those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. 

AMT Troll FAQ: 

http://tinyurl.com/2977cj http://tinyurl.com/2977cj  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Richard is a troll.  He even contradicts a lot of his own posts regarding 
healthy eating.  Most of us just ignore him.
 
 On 02/18/2015 03:04 PM, ultrarishi wrote:
 
   You are right, I have not provided any links to show the safety of organic 
vs. non organic and I'm not going to.  I have researched this enough over the 
decades that I am quite comfortable with what I have seen, experienced and 
learn.
 
 Have you seen who is behind the geneticliteracyproject.org.  It's just one of 
the many faces of the Hydra that Koch Bros. spawn every 5 minutes.  And if you 
give them a little time we will see something like
 Americans For Food Security, Alimentary Crossroads, and the Coffee Tea and Me 
Party.
 
 Even if GMO and non organic food was perfectly safe, it has been horrible 
practice internationally.  The vast majority of antibiotics given out are going 
to animals because of the unsanitary and inhumane ways they are raised.  We are 
practicing monoculture which creates extreme food insecurity when your crops 
are stricken with blight.  We have our economy dominated by big oil, big pharma 
and big agra which are not innovating the drugs we need, especially antibiotics 
and rendering what we have into uselessness.  We fight wars in hot, dusty 
countries that hate us (and for good reason) and modern agricultural practices 
have destroyed the small farm and created margins so small for farmers it's 
just not worth it to them.  The big companies are just like our financial 
institutions where they have gotten so large they are too big to fail.  So, 
even if their products are perfectly safe I refuse to buy them because they are 
destroying small business, our health system, our economy, our respect in the 
world.  They are a time bomb. 
 
 
 Genetic Literacy Project is directed by Jon Entine, who is a Fellow at the 
American Enterprise Insttitute. One of his recent clients (drum roll please) 
was Monsanto!  Big surprise!  
 
 So, I'm not going to take the bait and engage in a discussion about where is 
all the research.  There is plenty of good reason NOT to eat these foods that 
have little to do with food safety.  I am trying to keep as much of the money I 
earn in circulation in small, local business who live where I live, have 
sustainable practices and treat their employees (my neighbors) well.  I do not 
want to give money to the robber barons who are destroying this country while 
suspressing wages, free speech, corporate transparency and accountability, 
wantonly ignore global warming, screw the good work some NGO's are doing, 
corrupting politics, and supporting big tobacco.  I am sure they have lots of 
studies that prove not only are these nerve toxins safe on our foods, etc., 
but, in fact, are great for us.  To steal one of my favorite quotes:   I never 
meta-analysis I didn't like!
 
 
 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
richard@... mailto:richard@... wrote :
 
 We eat organic natural foods because we enjoy them and can afford them and we 
live within walking distance of a Whole Foods Market, a Trader Joe's, and a 
week-end Farmer's Market. The vast majority of people cannot access these food 
sources or afford the higher prices. You are considered part of the elite if 
you shop for food at these establishments.
 
 You failed to provide any links or cite any sources that would indicate that 
organic or non-GMO foods are superior to human health over normal foods 
purchased at a Safeway food store. Organic food preferences are simply personal 
preferences, cult fads and the food fetishes of rich people. You also failed to 
provide any alternative sources for the availability of food to the mass of 
humanity.
 
 There is no scientific proof that organic or natural foods contribute anything 
to improved human health over normal food in a Safeway store.  According to 
what I've read, there is broad scientific consensus that food on the market 
derived from GM crops does not pose any greater risk to human health than 
conventional food.
 
 In fact, 'factories' located within the plant itself are now known to make 
new genes. The new genes are composed of pieces of old genes and are put 
together haphazardly. Hence, we have always been eating foods containing brand 
new — but totally uncharacterized —genes.
 
 
http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/02/17/confession-of-a-liberal-organic-food-consumer-and-scientist-i-support-gmos/
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 So, it's a taste preference, but there's no science behind it. I think that's 
what I said - it's just a cult mind-set that you still have from your days 
working for the TMO, sort of like an indoctrination. Sometimes it takes years 
to get over the cognitive dissonance when you've been in a religious cult as 
long as you were. 

Just because your guru, the Maharishi said so, doesn't make it true. 

According to the science, there's no difference, nutrition-wise, between GMO 
and non-GMO food, organic or not. It's just a personal taste test. You can make 
a religion out of eating certain foods if you want to, but it just that. That's 
my point.

I thought we had some science-writers on this forum. Go figure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 there is a hellofa taste difference between commercially raised veggies and 
the ones I get from my brother who grows his in his rather large garden - he is 
about 90% organic I guess and his produce is mighty fine. 

 

 Big difference in taste also in the farm raised shrimp you get in the grocery 
store and the wild caught ones we get from the buyers in McClellanville SC who 
get them from the shrimpers who operate day boats. Big difference in flavor for 
sure.

 

 From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:04 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the 
US
 
 
   You are right, I have not provided any links to show the safety of organic 
vs. non organic and I'm not going to.  I have researched this enough over the 
decades that I am quite comfortable with what I have seen, experienced and 
learn.

Have you seen who is behind the geneticliteracyproject.org.  It's just one of 
the many faces of the Hydra that Koch Bros. spawn every 5 minutes.  And if you 
give them a little time we will see something like
Americans For Food Security, Alimentary Crossroads, and the Coffee Tea and Me 
Party.

Even if GMO and non organic food was perfectly safe, it has been horrible 
practice internationally.  The vast majority of antibiotics given out are going 
to animals because of the unsanitary and inhumane ways they are raised.  We are 
practicing monoculture which creates extreme food insecurity when your crops 
are stricken with blight.  We have our economy dominated by big oil, big pharma 
and big agra which are not innovating the drugs we need, especially antibiotics 
and rendering what we have into uselessness.  We fight wars in hot, dusty 
countries that hate us (and for good reason) and modern agricultural practices 
have destroyed the small farm and created margins so small for farmers it's 
just not worth it to them.  The big companies are just like our financial 
institutions where they have gotten so large they are too big to fail.  So, 
even if their products are perfectly safe I refuse to buy them because they are 
destroying small business, our health system, our economy, our respect in the 
world.  They are a time bomb. 


Genetic Literacy Project is directed by Jon Entine, who is a Fellow at the 
American Enterprise Insttitute. One of his recent clients (drum roll please) 
was Monsanto!  Big surprise!  

So, I'm not going to take the bait and engage in a discussion about where is 
all the research.  There is plenty of good reason NOT to eat these foods that 
have little to do with food safety.  I am trying to keep as much of the money I 
earn in circulation in small, local business who live where I live, have 
sustainable practices and treat their employees (my neighbors) well.  I do not 
want to give money to the robber barons who are destroying this country while 
suspressing wages, free speech, corporate transparency and accountability, 
wantonly ignore global warming, screw the good work some NGO's are doing, 
corrupting politics, and supporting big tobacco.  I am sure they have lots of 
studies that prove not only are these nerve toxins safe on our foods, etc., 
but, in fact, are great for us.  To steal one of my favorite quotes:   I never 
meta-analysis I didn't like!




 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

 We eat organic natural foods because we enjoy them and can afford them and we 
live within walking distance of a Whole Foods Market, a Trader Joe's, and a 
week-end Farmer's Market. The vast majority of people cannot access these food 
sources or afford the higher prices. You are considered part of the elite if 
you shop for food at these establishments.

You failed to provide any links or cite any sources that would indicate that 
organic or non-GMO foods are superior to human health over normal foods 
purchased at a Safeway food store. Organic food preferences are simply personal 
preferences, cult fads and the food fetishes of rich people. You also failed to 
provide any alternative sources for the availability of food to the mass of 
humanity.

There is no scientific proof that organic

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Richard is a troll.  He even contradicts a lot of his own posts 
regarding healthy eating.  Most of us just ignore him.


On 02/18/2015 03:04 PM, ultrarishi wrote:


You are right, I have not provided any links to show the safety of 
organic vs. non organic and I'm not going to.  I have researched this 
enough over the decades that I am quite comfortable with what I have 
seen, experienced and learn.


Have you seen who is behind the geneticliteracyproject.org.  It's just 
one of the many faces of the Hydra that Koch Bros. spawn every 5 
minutes. And if you give them a little time we will see something like
Americans For Food Security, Alimentary Crossroads, and the Coffee Tea 
and Me Party.


Even if GMO and non organic food was perfectly safe, it has been 
horrible practice internationally.  The vast majority of antibiotics 
given out are going to animals because of the unsanitary and inhumane 
ways they are raised.  We are practicing monoculture which creates 
extreme food insecurity when your crops are stricken with blight.  We 
have our economy dominated by big oil, big pharma and big agra which 
are not innovating the drugs we need, especially antibiotics and 
rendering what we have into uselessness.  We fight wars in hot, dusty 
countries that hate us (and for good reason) and modern agricultural 
practices have destroyed the small farm and created margins so small 
for farmers it's just not worth it to them.  The big companies are 
just like our financial institutions where they have gotten so large 
they are too big to fail.  So, even if their products are perfectly 
safe I refuse to buy them because they are destroying small business, 
our health system, our economy, our respect in the world.  They are a 
time bomb.



Genetic Literacy Project is directed by Jon Entine, who is a Fellow at 
the American Enterprise Insttitute. One of his recent clients (drum 
roll please) was Monsanto!  Big surprise!


So, I'm not going to take the bait and engage in a discussion about 
where is all the research.  There is plenty of good reason NOT to eat 
these foods that have little to do with food safety.  I am trying to 
keep as much of the money I earn in circulation in small, local 
business who live where I live, have sustainable practices and treat 
their employees (my neighbors) well.  I do not want to give money to 
the robber barons who are destroying this country while suspressing 
wages, free speech, corporate transparency and accountability, 
wantonly ignore global warming, screw the good work some NGO's are 
doing, corrupting politics, and supporting big tobacco.  I am sure 
they have lots of studies that prove not only are these nerve toxins 
safe on our foods, etc., but, in fact, are great for us.  To steal one 
of my favorite quotes:   I never meta-analysis I didn't like!






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

We eat organic natural foods because we enjoy them and can afford them 
and we live within walking distance of a Whole Foods Market, a Trader 
Joe's, and a week-end Farmer's Market. The vast majority of people 
cannot access these food sources or afford the higher prices. You are 
considered part of the elite if you shop for food at these establishments.


You failed to provide any links or cite any sources that would 
indicate that organic or non-GMO foods are superior to human health 
over normal foods purchased at a Safeway food store. Organic food 
preferences are simply personal preferences, cult fads and the food 
fetishes of rich people. You also failed to provide any alternative 
sources for the availability of food to the mass of humanity.


There is no scientific proof that organic or natural foods contribute 
anything to improved human health over normal food in a Safeway 
store.  According to what I've read, there is broad scientific 
consensus that food on the market derived from GM crops does not pose 
any greater risk to human health than conventional food.


In fact, 'factories' located within the plant itself are now known to 
make new genes. The new genes are composed of pieces of old genes and 
are put together haphazardly. Hence, we have always been eating foods 
containing brand new — but totally uncharacterized —genes.


http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/02/17/confession-of-a-liberal-organic-food-consumer-and-scientist-i-support-gmos/ 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

Farmers markets are year round here. The produce selection this winter 
has been pretty dismal due to the drought.


When I was living in Seattle I shopped the co-op. Some of our 
supermarkets, like Raley's, have large organic produce sections and 
it's sometime worth checking prices because some items might be on 
sale for less than the non-organic.


On 02/17/2015 10:18 PM, ultrarishi wrote:

And I forgot the Farmer's Markets (as in plural)!  They are seasonal, 
obviously, so the don't come readily to mind, especially this time of 
the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I have an organic lemon tree.  That's because it takes nothing to have a 
lemon tree in California.  Just have the tree pruned about every other 
year.  They are Myers lemons so are slightly sweet.  OTOH, I have a 
green apple tree which I've tried to do organic.  Doesn't matter what I 
do and what insect traps I use they still get wormy.  Apple trees are 
just too much work.  Coddling moths are the main pest and they lay eggs 
on the buds so you have to put the traps out early.  But the traps are 
$18 for two.  You can buy several bags of bug free organic apples at 
Trader Joes for that.


On 02/18/2015 04:30 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
there is a hellofa taste difference between commercially raised 
veggies and the ones I get from my brother who grows his in his rather 
large garden - he is about 90% organic I guess and his produce is 
mighty fine.


Big difference in taste also in the farm raised shrimp you get in the 
grocery store and the wild caught ones we get from the buyers in 
McClellanville SC who get them from the shrimpers who operate day 
boats. Big difference in flavor for sure.



*From:* ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:04 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for 
growing in the US


You are right, I have not provided any links to show the safety of 
organic vs. non organic and I'm not going to.  I have researched this 
enough over the decades that I am quite comfortable with what I have 
seen, experienced and learn.


Have you seen who is behind the geneticliteracyproject.org.  It's just 
one of the many faces of the Hydra that Koch Bros. spawn every 5 
minutes.  And if you give them a little time we will see something like
Americans For Food Security, Alimentary Crossroads, and the Coffee Tea 
and Me Party.


Even if GMO and non organic food was perfectly safe, it has been 
horrible practice internationally.  The vast majority of antibiotics 
given out are going to animals because of the unsanitary and inhumane 
ways they are raised.  We are practicing monoculture which creates 
extreme food insecurity when your crops are stricken with blight.  We 
have our economy dominated by big oil, big pharma and big agra which 
are not innovating the drugs we need, especially antibiotics and 
rendering what we have into uselessness.  We fight wars in hot, dusty 
countries that hate us (and for good reason) and modern agricultural 
practices have destroyed the small farm and created margins so small 
for farmers it's just not worth it to them.  The big companies are 
just like our financial institutions where they have gotten so large 
they are too big to fail.  So, even if their products are perfectly 
safe I refuse to buy them because they are destroying small business, 
our health system, our economy, our respect in the world.  They are a 
time bomb.



Genetic Literacy Project is directed by Jon Entine, who is a Fellow at 
the American Enterprise Insttitute. One of his recent clients (drum 
roll please) was Monsanto!  Big surprise!


So, I'm not going to take the bait and engage in a discussion about 
where is all the research.  There is plenty of good reason NOT to eat 
these foods that have little to do with food safety.  I am trying to 
keep as much of the money I earn in circulation in small, local 
business who live where I live, have sustainable practices and treat 
their employees (my neighbors) well.  I do not want to give money to 
the robber barons who are destroying this country while suspressing 
wages, free speech, corporate transparency and accountability, 
wantonly ignore global warming, screw the good work some NGO's are 
doing, corrupting politics, and supporting big tobacco.  I am sure 
they have lots of studies that prove not only are these nerve toxins 
safe on our foods, etc., but, in fact, are great for us.  To steal one 
of my favorite quotes:   I never meta-analysis I didn't like!






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

We eat organic natural foods because we enjoy them and can afford them 
and we live within walking distance of a Whole Foods Market, a Trader 
Joe's, and a week-end Farmer's Market. The vast majority of people 
cannot access these food sources or afford the higher prices. You are 
considered part of the elite if you shop for food at these establishments.


You failed to provide any links or cite any sources that would 
indicate that organic or non-GMO foods are superior to human health 
over normal foods purchased at a Safeway food store. Organic food 
preferences are simply personal preferences, cult fads and the food 
fetishes of rich people. You also failed to provide any alternative 
sources for the availability of food to the mass of humanity.


There is no scientific proof that organic or natural foods contribute

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

Food Deserts are definitely a serious problem in this country.  We are very 
spoiled here in Oregon where the expansion of the local chain markets and 
independents who are offering good food are going into those areas that are 
left untouched by the Kroegers, the Safeways, the Vons, the Albersons, the 
Pigly Wiggly, etc.  They also carry mixed items such as Organic and Non 
Organic. 

Because of gentrification these stores are doing well because as affordable 
housing disappears these fringe areas that use to be food deserts become 
desirable by those who also want the benefits of well to do neighborhoods.  The 
existing residence who are not displaced find employment, community involvement 
by the store, and, most importantly, a food source that does not involve a 
drive thru menu and a toy.

I hope this trend continues  I don't want to see happen in Portland Oregon what 
happen to San Francisco, my home town that I could no longer afford to live in.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

Cool.  It was a slow day anyway.  I just need to keep my anti-astroturfing 
skills honed!  LOL.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 I will never forget the first time I tasted heriloom tomatoes.  My God!  I 
thought I was going to drop the body!

It sounds like you had a religious experience! 

I wonder how much fuel you burn up searching out for all those organic foods? 
Do you understand the definition of cognitive dissonance - apparently you've 
got a clear case. All the companies you just mentioned are capitalistic outfits 
designed to indoctrinate you and get into your wallet. 

Sometimes you West Coast liberals don't even make any sense. Go figure.

These films come and go from Netflix and Amazon Prime, but I highly recommend 
them.  They are well put together, engaging, and entertaining.

Food, Inc.

King Corn

The Botany of Desire

Ingredients

Some of the photography is down right erotic in the Botany of Desire.

Also, the Folly of Man is quite aptly demonstrated in Ken Burns' remarkable 
documentary on the Dust Bowl drought.  This is a folly that is being sadly 
repeated.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

there is a hellofa taste difference between commercially raised veggies and the 
ones I get from my brother who grows his in his rather large garden - he is 
about 90% organic I guess and his produce is mighty fine. 

Big difference in taste also in the farm raised shrimp you get in the grocery 
store and the wild caught ones we get from the buyers in McClellanville SC who 
get them from the shrimpers who operate day boats. Big difference in flavor for 
sure.

  From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:04 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the 
US
   
    You are right, I have not provided any links to show the safety of organic 
vs. non organic and I'm not going to.  I have researched this enough over the 
decades that I am quite comfortable with what I have seen, experienced and 
learn.

Have you seen who is behind the geneticliteracyproject.org.  It's just one of 
the many faces of the Hydra that Koch Bros. spawn every 5 minutes.  And if you 
give them a little time we will see something like
Americans For Food Security, Alimentary Crossroads, and the Coffee Tea and Me 
Party.

Even if GMO and non organic food was perfectly safe, it has been horrible 
practice internationally.  The vast majority of antibiotics given out are going 
to animals because of the unsanitary and inhumane ways they are raised.  We are 
practicing monoculture which creates extreme food insecurity when your crops 
are stricken with blight.  We have our economy dominated by big oil, big pharma 
and big agra which are not innovating the drugs we need, especially antibiotics 
and rendering what we have into uselessness.  We fight wars in hot, dusty 
countries that hate us (and for good reason) and modern agricultural practices 
have destroyed the small farm and created margins so small for farmers it's 
just not worth it to them.  The big companies are just like our financial 
institutions where they have gotten so large they are too big to fail.  So, 
even if their products are perfectly safe I refuse to buy them because they are 
destroying small business, our health system, our economy, our respect in the 
world.  They are a time bomb. 


Genetic Literacy Project is directed by Jon Entine, who is a Fellow at the 
American Enterprise Insttitute. One of his recent clients (drum roll please) 
was Monsanto!  Big surprise!  

So, I'm not going to take the bait and engage in a discussion about where is 
all the research.  There is plenty of good reason NOT to eat these foods that 
have little to do with food safety.  I am trying to keep as much of the money I 
earn in circulation in small, local business who live where I live, have 
sustainable practices and treat their employees (my neighbors) well.  I do not 
want to give money to the robber barons who are destroying this country while 
suspressing wages, free speech, corporate transparency and accountability, 
wantonly ignore global warming, screw the good work some NGO's are doing, 
corrupting politics, and supporting big tobacco.  I am sure they have lots of 
studies that prove not only are these nerve toxins safe on our foods, etc., 
but, in fact, are great for us.  To steal one of my favorite quotes:   I never 
meta-analysis I didn't like!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :

We eat organic natural foods because we enjoy them and can afford them and we 
live within walking distance of a Whole Foods Market, a Trader Joe's, and a 
week-end Farmer's Market. The vast majority of people cannot access these food 
sources or afford the higher prices. You are considered part of the elite if 
you shop for food at these establishments.

You failed to provide any links or cite any sources that would indicate that 
organic or non-GMO foods are superior to human health over normal foods 
purchased at a Safeway food store. Organic food preferences are simply personal 
preferences, cult fads and the food fetishes of rich people. You also failed to 
provide any alternative sources for the availability of food to the mass of 
humanity.

There is no scientific proof that organic or natural foods contribute anything 
to improved human health over normal food in a Safeway store.  According to 
what I've read, there is broad scientific consensus that food on the market 
derived from GM crops does not pose any greater risk to human health than 
conventional food.

In fact, 'factories' located within the plant itself are now known to make new 
genes. The new genes are composed of pieces of old genes and are put together 
haphazardly. Hence, we have always been eating foods containing brand new — but 
totally uncharacterized —genes.

http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/02/17/confession-of-a-liberal-organic-food-consumer-and-scientist-i-support-gmos/
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

Farmers markets are year round here

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

I will never forget the first time I tasted heriloom tomatoes.  My God!  I 
thought I was going to drop the body!

These films come and go from Netflix and Amazon Prime, but I highly recommend 
them.  They are well put together, engaging, and entertaining.

Food, Inc.

King Corn

The Botany of Desire

Ingredients

Some of the photography is down right erotic in the Botany of Desire.

Also, the Folly of Man is quite aptly demonstrated in Ken Burns' remarkable 
documentary on the Dust Bowl drought.  This is a folly that is being sadly 
repeated.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

No farmer's markets?  That where I can buy certified organic goods for a 
reasonable price.


On 02/17/2015 02:31 PM, ultrarishi wrote:


turq wrote:

Oregon is a great place, east or west, but you are not even making any 
sense, Ultra - how are you going to provide reasonably priced food to 
your family without big agra; and how are you going to make service 
calls to earn money without big oil; and without laws passed by 
federal politicians?


I'm all for eating good healthy food, but apparently you're living in 
a food desert. A food desert is defined as an area where affordable 
food is not available within walking distance of your home. You'd have 
to be rich to shop for pure organic food in a new car. Most poor 
people have to take a bus or walk miles to the nearest Safeway.


I am not rich and I have absolutely feeding my family organic, non  
GMO, insecticide free foods for the most part.  I'm not an absolutist 
here.  But, given the choice I chose the above.  Stores like Whole 
Paycheck, New Seasons, Trader Joes, Fred Meyer provide options for the 
above.  They are a bit more, but not by much.  WE Americans eat too 
much food anywy. Obseity is a national problem and I really feel that 
the organinc, GMO free food etc., is affordable.  I was at a protest 
in Portland in 2013 and one of my favorite signs there was If you 
think Organic Food is expensive ask me about my Cancer.  Since I 
watch my wife go through treatment for colon cancer I can easily back 
up this person's claim.


Also, this country is not paying the real the price of food anyway.  
The worst food in this country is heavily subsidized by the 
government.  Good food is left to fight for shelf and floor space.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

And I forgot the Farmer's Markets (as in plural)!  They are seasonal, 
obviously, so the don't come readily to mind, especially this time of the year. 
 In addition to the people also subscribe to Food Cooperatives.  Many of our 
friends split a subscription because the bounty is so large.

Here's a link to last year's Farmer's Market Guide.  Dr. Triguna would be proud 
of how seasonal our eating is,
LOL!

http://www.tricountyfarm.org/files/2014_tc_ffg.pdf 
http://www.tricountyfarm.org/files/2014_tc_ffg.pdf

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, western Oregon around the Cascade range is green but venture into 
eastern Oregon and you hit The Great Desert.  Relatives on my mother's 
side lived in the Portland area.


Going after GMOs is a way of going after the uber materialistic greedy 
who will do anything to get rich even if it kills everyone else.


On 02/17/2015 08:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*/I remember both of my times in Oregon fondly. There was a level of 
GREEN there that I haven't found elsewhere since. I mean Green in 
terms of foliage, not politics, but it was always pretty Green on that 
level, too. Whether by law or by politically-correct mutual agreement, 
GMO foods here in the Netherlands seem to be clearly labeled. I 
haven't paid enough attention, partly because I figure that if I've 
survived this long without turning into a mutant, and after having 
ingested all the chemicals I did in the mid-/**/60s, a few odd 
designer genes probably aren't going to tip me over the edge. :-)/*



*From:* ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:40 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for 
growing in the US


Turq -  I lin Hillsboro, Oregon.  Took a job transfer here 20 years 
ago and moved from San Mateo, California.
Last year, we had a GMO labeling requirement on the ballot.  It was 
Oregon's most expensive election issue EVER.  That tells me 
something.  The labeling requirement lost, but they were outspent 3 to 
1 by the Frankenfood Companies.  Even if GMO  food can be shown to be 
safe, I firmly believe we have an inherent right to know what we are 
being sold and putting in our bodies.


Like, Bhairitu is pointing out a bunch of stores and products now 
label their products as non GMO anyway.  New Seasons and Whole Foods 
are behind this effort. This is where our dollars go.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I remember both of my times in Oregon fondly. There was a level of GREEN there 
that I haven't found elsewhere since. I mean Green in terms of foliage, not 
politics, but it was always pretty Green on that level, too. Whether by law or 
by politically-correct mutual agreement, GMO foods here in the Netherlands seem 
to be clearly labeled. I haven't paid enough attention, partly because I figure 
that if I've survived this long without turning into a mutant, and after having 
ingested all the chemicals I did in the mid-60s, a few odd designer genes 
probably aren't going to tip me over the edge.  :-)
  From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:40 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the 
US
   
    Turq -  I lin Hillsboro, Oregon.  Took a job transfer here 20 years ago and 
moved from San Mateo, California.
Last year, we had a GMO labeling requirement on the ballot.  It was Oregon's 
most expensive election issue EVER.  That tells me something.  The labeling 
requirement lost, but they were outspent 3 to 1 by the Frankenfood Companies.  
Even if GMO  food can be shown to be safe, I firmly believe we have an inherent 
right to know what we are being sold and putting in our bodies.  

Like, Bhairitu is pointing out a bunch of stores and products now label their 
products as non GMO anyway.  New Seasons and Whole Foods are behind this 
effort.  This is where our dollars go.  #yiv2598692844 #yiv2598692844 -- 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

Turq -  I lin Hillsboro, Oregon.  Took a job transfer here 20 years ago and 
moved from San Mateo, California.
Last year, we had a GMO labeling requirement on the ballot.  It was Oregon's 
most expensive election issue EVER.  That tells me something.  The labeling 
requirement lost, but they were outspent 3 to 1 by the Frankenfood Companies.  
Even if GMO  food can be shown to be safe, I firmly believe we have an inherent 
right to know what we are being sold and putting in our bodies.  

Like, Bhairitu is pointing out a bunch of stores and products now label their 
products as non GMO anyway.  New Seasons and Whole Foods are behind this 
effort.  This is where our dollars go.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks for the reply, but I was requesting a definition that didn't contain 
hypothetical or anecdotal explanations. Where exactly is the science on 
geneticaly modified foods? I can't find a single study on PubMed that indicates 
that GMO foods are any kind of danger to humans. 

Would someone please post some links to science articles about GMO foods? This 
should not be any problem for the resident science-writers on FFL. Thanks.

There is broad scientific consensus that food on the market derived from GM 
crops poses no greater risk to human health than conventional food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food  

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Maybe we need to define GMO - according to what I've read, there is no 
difference between GMO and non - GMO foods. Can you please explain to us what a 
GMO food is. Please use factual scientific terms. Try to avoid hypothetical, 
speculative or anecdotal explanations. Thank you.

It should be pretty obvious. Nature didn't make it.  It had to be spliced in.

Browning in fruit is an indication that the fruit is beyond ripe and largely 
inedible for folks.  It's kind of nature's pull date to use a supermarket 
analogy.  The fruit is still breaking down it just isn't showing its true 
colors, so to speak.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Turq -  I lin Hillsboro, Oregon.  Took a job transfer here 20 years ago and 
moved from San Mateo, California.
Last year, we had a GMO labeling requirement on the ballot.  It was Oregon's 
most expensive election issue EVER.  That tells me something.  The labeling 
requirement lost, but they were outspent 3 to 1 by the Frankenfood Companies.  
Even if GMO  food can be shown to be safe, I firmly believe we have an inherent 
right to know what we are being sold and putting in our bodies.  

There's nothing in the U.S. Constitution or in the Bill of Rights that says 
anyone has an inalienable right to have their apples labeled. In fact, the 
Constitution says every individual has the right of free speech, or not to 
speak, if they so choose. This applies to commercial speech as well. 

Most people have no idea what the term GMO means, so that's why the courts 
rejected the proposed law - it doesn't make any sense - just because the 
Maharishi religion says so. 

Like, Bhairitu is pointing out a bunch of stores and products now label their 
products as non GMO anyway.  New Seasons and Whole Foods are behind this 
effort.  This is where our dollars go.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Oh, my Gawd, a spliced hybrid apple! This is just outrageous!  Please pardon 
me while I gag. 

The Maharishi says don't eat GMO' foods and the cultist fall down at his knees 
to pray. This is so funny I can't stop laughing. The last time I checked, all 
organic apples must be certified that they are organic, not GMO. 

So, you're wanting us to pay double $ for an apple with a GMO label on it and 
give up our First Amendment rights to free speech so you can drive across town 
in your car just to buy a bag of unsulphured raisins? 

How are you going to affix a label to an apple with all that insecticide spray 
on it? Go figure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Yes, western Oregon around the Cascade range is green but venture into eastern 
Oregon and you hit The Great Desert.  Relatives on my mother's side lived in 
the Portland area.
 
 Going after GMOs is a way of going after the uber materialistic greedy who 
will do anything to get rich even if it kills everyone else. 
 
 On 02/17/2015 08:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   I remember both of my times in Oregon fondly. There was a level of GREEN 
there that I haven't found elsewhere since. I mean Green in terms of foliage, 
not politics, but it was always pretty Green on that level, too. Whether by law 
or by politically-correct mutual agreement, GMO foods here in the Netherlands 
seem to be clearly labeled. I haven't paid enough attention, partly because I 
figure that if I've survived this long without turning into a mutant, and after 
having ingested all the chemicals I did in the mid-60s, a few odd designer 
genes probably aren't going to tip me over the edge.  :-)
 
 From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:40 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the 
US
 
 
   Turq -  I lin Hillsboro, Oregon.  Took a job transfer here 20 years ago and 
moved from San Mateo, California.
 Last year, we had a GMO labeling requirement on the ballot.  It was Oregon's 
most expensive election issue EVER.  That tells me something.  The labeling 
requirement lost, but they were outspent 3 to 1 by the Frankenfood Companies.  
Even if GMO  food can be shown to be safe, I firmly believe we have an inherent 
right to know what we are being sold and putting in our bodies.  
 
 Like, Bhairitu is pointing out a bunch of stores and products now label their 
products as non GMO anyway.  New Seasons and Whole Foods are behind this 
effort.  This is where our dollars go.




 
 






 
 

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

Bhairitu:  that really blew my mind when I moved here in 1992:  Oregon is 2/3's 
desert!  I had been coming all my life since I have relatives here (my mom was 
born here).  But, all I ever saw was the western portion which is rain forest.  
When I moved here I started making service calls in central and eastern Oregon 
and just loved the contrast.

While big pharma, ,big oil and big agra keeps buying our state and federal 
politicians, I think these con men have lost the battle.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Bhairitu:  that really blew my mind when I moved here in 1992:  Oregon is 
2/3's desert!  I had been coming all my life since I have relatives here (my 
mom was born here).  But, all I ever saw was the western portion which is rain 
forest.  When I moved here I started making service calls in central and 
eastern Oregon and just loved the contrast.

While big pharma, ,big oil and big agra keeps buying our state and federal 
politicians, I think these con men have lost the battle.

Oregon is a great place, east or west, but you are not even making any sense, 
Ultra - how are you going to provide reasonably priced food to your family 
without big agra; and how are you going to make service calls to earn money 
without big oil; and without laws passed by federal politicians?

I'm all for eating good healthy food, but apparently you're living in a food 
desert. A food desert is defined as an area where affordable food is not 
available within walking distance of your home. You'd have to be rich to shop 
for pure organic food in a new car. Most poor people have to take a bus or walk 
miles to the nearest Safeway.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

The last time I checked this forum, I was the only informant that claimed to be 
on an organic natural foods diet and shopped at Whole Foods Market. Apparently 
I'm the only guy on FFL that can afford to shop at whole Foods and that's 
because I am not a big eater. Correct if I'm wrong about this.

So, it's really funny reading about opposition to a GMO apple that doesn't 
turn brown. I would think that there would be more opposition to the 
insecticides and antibiotics contained on and in non-organic foods such as beef 
and chicken. 

So, maybe somebody could fill me in on the sources of the food they eat. Thanks.

I know a guy that drives all the way across town just so he can buy a bag of 
unsulphured raisins. I live two blocks from Whole Foods and even that is a long 
walk. You can imagine how much destruction to the environment there is if 
thousands of cars are driven to the farmer's market every day just to check the 
labels on apples. It just doesn't make any sense. Go figure.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Turq -  I lin Hillsboro, Oregon.  Took a job transfer here 20 years ago and 
moved from San Mateo, California.
Last year, we had a GMO labeling requirement on the ballot.  It was Oregon's 
most expensive election issue EVER.  That tells me something.  The labeling 
requirement lost, but they were outspent 3 to 1 by the Frankenfood Companies.  
Even if GMO  food can be shown to be safe, I firmly believe we have an inherent 
right to know what we are being sold and putting in our bodies.  

Like, Bhairitu is pointing out a bunch of stores and products now label their 
products as non GMO anyway.  New Seasons and Whole Foods are behind this 
effort.  This is where our dollars go.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks for the confession. I always suspected that you were responsible for 
promoting cult religions in that area. What happened to all the money? 

So, when are you going to start making restitution for selling non-sense 
syllables to all those poor students? If we are to believe the science-writers 
on this forum, you're guilty of outright fraud for over two decades. 

Everyone knows you can't get enlightened in 5-7 years or slowly lift up off 
of a sofa at Denny's and suspend yourself in midair or fly up to the side of a 
mountain in the desert. What were you thinking?

You Sir, are guilty as charged. Bailiff, remove this fraudster and put him in a 
jail cell next to Barnum and Bailey!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Where do you live in Oregon? I lived in Eugene twice -- once back in 1969-70 
and once a few years later when I got stuck being TMO State Coordinator for 
Oregon and Washington. Loved it, except for the constant rain, and now I live 
in the Netherlands...with near-constant rain.  :-)
 

 From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:49 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the 
US
 
 
   The really sad thing about this gene update to apples is that it will kill 
the export market for US apples. Many countries will not accept them.  I 
believe Japan is already rejecting our non GMO apples as part of the trade wars 
in Free Trade.  Now this wrinkle.

Here's a fun article:  
http://libcloud.s3.amazonaws.com/93/42/f/3269/GMO_apple_fact_sheet_rev2.pdf 
http://libcloud.s3.amazonaws.com/93/42/f/3269/GMO_apple_fact_sheet_rev2.pdf


BTW, our Governor here in Oregon resigned last week.  I am sadden by this, but 
he also sold out the NO GMO crowd, of which I am a card carrying member of, 
when the Republicans held hostage a grand bargain to balance the budget.  The  
lasw basically made it illegal for counties to ban GMO crops since a few had 
done so in the past year.  What one issue has to do with other issue is beyond 
me!  Anyway, I was done with him at that point.  Also, he authored our state's 
Obamacare program which was an Epic Failure!  Wishing our new Governor good 
luck!

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Actually, I can more than afford to be on a similar diet but have never been 
into the *organic/ natural  health food* craze. Organic/*inorganic*, all the 
same to me. I've always settled for Maharishi's *original* advice on diet, eat 
what your mother gives you, although that has been severely modified since 
undergoing gastric by pass. I probably follow closer to a paleo type diet of 
lean meats, fruits, nuts and vegetables, keeping sugar, grains and dairy to a 
minimum. If it can pass the FDA system, I'm cool with it. Just don't feed me 
any dog treats from China! Growing up a fat kid, I never expected to live past 
40 and here I am 63 and  in pretty good health. Every day is just icing on the 
cake for me as far as I'm concerned. I'll just keep doing my tapas and being a 
burden on SS, Medicare and my pension plan for as long as I can.
   From: rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the 
US
   
    The last time I checked this forum, I was the only informant that claimed 
to be on an organic natural foods diet and shopped at Whole Foods Market. 
Apparently I'm the only guy on FFL that can afford to shop at whole Foods and 
that's because I am not a big eater. Correct if I'm wrong about this.

So, it's really funny reading about opposition to a GMO apple that doesn't 
turn brown. I would think that there would be more opposition to the 
insecticides and antibiotics contained on and in non-organic foods such as beef 
and chicken. 

So, maybe somebody could fill me in on the sources of the food they eat. Thanks.

I know a guy that drives all the way across town just so he can buy a bag of 
unsulphured raisins. I live two blocks from Whole Foods and even that is a long 
walk. You can imagine how much destruction to the environment there is if 
thousands of cars are driven to the farmer's market every day just to check the 
labels on apples. It just doesn't make any sense. Go figure.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Turq -  I lin Hillsboro, Oregon.  Took a job transfer here 20 years ago and 
moved from San Mateo, California.
Last year, we had a GMO labeling requirement on the ballot.  It was Oregon's 
most expensive election issue EVER.  That tells me something.  The labeling 
requirement lost, but they were outspent 3 to 1 by the Frankenfood Companies.  
Even if GMO  food can be shown to be safe, I firmly believe we have an inherent 
right to know what we are being sold and putting in our bodies.  

Like, Bhairitu is pointing out a bunch of stores and products now label their 
products as non GMO anyway.  New Seasons and Whole Foods are behind this 
effort.  This is where our dollars go.  #yiv9515646586 #yiv9515646586 -- 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Apparently the paleo diet is pseudo-science. They actually didn't eat 
that way during the paleo age.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/the-paleo-diet-is-pseudoscience-this-is-what-our-ancestral-menu-really-looked-like/


On 02/17/2015 11:15 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Actually, I can more than afford to be on a similar diet but have 
never been into the *organic/ natural  health 
food* craze. Organic/*inorganic*, all the same to me. I've always 
settled for Maharishi's *original* advice on diet, eat what your 
mother gives you, although that has been severely modified since 
undergoing gastric by pass. I probably follow closer to a paleo type 
diet of lean meats, fruits, nuts and vegetables, keeping sugar, grains 
and dairy to a minimum. If it can pass the FDA system, I'm cool with 
it. Just don't feed me any dog treats from China! Growing up a fat 
kid, I never expected to live past 40 and here I am 63 and  in pretty 
good health. Every day is just icing on the cake for me as far as I'm 
concerned. I'll just keep doing my tapas and being a burden on SS, 
Medicare and my pension plan for as long as I can.


*From:* rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:00 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for 
growing in the US


The last time I checked this forum, I was the only informant that 
claimed to be on an organic natural foods diet and shopped at Whole 
Foods Market. Apparently I'm the only guy on FFL that can afford to 
shop at whole Foods and that's because I am not a big eater. Correct 
if I'm wrong about this.


So, it's really funny reading about opposition to a GMO apple that 
doesn't turn brown. I would think that there would be more opposition 
to the insecticides and antibiotics contained on and in non-organic 
foods such as beef and chicken.


So, maybe somebody could fill me in on the sources of the food they 
eat. Thanks.


I know a guy that drives all the way across town just so he can buy a 
bag of unsulphured raisins. I live two blocks from Whole Foods and 
even that is a long walk. You can imagine how much destruction to the 
environment there is if thousands of cars are driven to the farmer's 
market every day just to check the labels on apples. It just doesn't 
make any sense. Go figure.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Turq -  I lin Hillsboro, Oregon.  Took a job transfer here 20 years 
ago and moved from San Mateo, California.
Last year, we had a GMO labeling requirement on the ballot.  It was 
Oregon's most expensive election issue EVER.  That tells me 
something.  The labeling requirement lost, but they were outspent 3 to 
1 by the Frankenfood Companies.  Even if GMO  food can be shown to be 
safe, I firmly believe we have an inherent right to know what we are 
being sold and putting in our bodies.


Like, Bhairitu is pointing out a bunch of stores and products now 
label their products as non GMO anyway.  New Seasons and Whole Foods 
are behind this effort.  This is where our dollars go.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

turq wrote:

Oregon is a great place, east or west, but you are not even making any sense, 
Ultra - how are you going to provide reasonably priced food to your family 
without big agra; and how are you going to make service calls to earn money 
without big oil; and without laws passed by federal politicians?

I'm all for eating good healthy food, but apparently you're living in a food 
desert. A food desert is defined as an area where affordable food is not 
available within walking distance of your home. You'd have to be rich to shop 
for pure organic food in a new car. Most poor people have to take a bus or walk 
miles to the nearest Safeway. 

 I am not rich and I have absolutely feeding my family organic, non  GMO, 
insecticide free foods for the most part.  I'm not an absolutist here.  But, 
given the choice I chose the above.  Stores like Whole Paycheck, New Seasons, 
Trader Joes, Fred Meyer provide options for the above.  They are a bit more, 
but not by much.  WE Americans eat too much food anywy. Obseity is a national 
problem and I really feel that the organinc, GMO free food etc., is affordable. 
 I was at a protest in Portland in 2013 and one of my favorite signs there was 
If you think Organic Food is expensive ask me about my Cancer.  Since I watch 
my wife go through treatment for colon cancer I can easily back up this 
person's claim.  

Also, this country is not paying the real the price of food anyway.  The worst 
food in this country is heavily subsidized by the government.  Good food is 
left to fight for shelf and floor space.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Wouod you post some scientific reports that prove that GMO foods are harmful 
to my health? Also, please post a definition of GMO and what it should say on 
the apple label. Thanks.

Also, would you please tell us how you plan to get ANY apples distributed 
during the strike by the Teamsters Union. Again, thanks.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Just what you've been waiting for: an apple that doesn't turn brown. 
 GMO labeling needs to be federally mandated.
 
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=1
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=1

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Where do you live in Oregon? I lived in Eugene twice -- once back in 1969-70 
and once a few years later when I got stuck being TMO State Coordinator for 
Oregon and Washington. Loved it, except for the constant rain, and now I live 
in the Netherlands...with near-constant rain.  :-)
 From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:49 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the 
US
   
    The really sad thing about this gene update to apples is that it will kill 
the export market for US apples. Many countries will not accept them.  I 
believe Japan is already rejecting our non GMO apples as part of the trade wars 
in Free Trade.  Now this wrinkle.

Here's a fun article:  
http://libcloud.s3.amazonaws.com/93/42/f/3269/GMO_apple_fact_sheet_rev2.pdf


BTW, our Governor here in Oregon resigned last week.  I am sadden by this, but 
he also sold out the NO GMO crowd, of which I am a card carrying member of, 
when the Republicans held hostage a grand bargain to balance the budget.  The  
lasw basically made it illegal for counties to ban GMO crops since a few had 
done so in the past year.  What one issue has to do with other issue is beyond 
me!  Anyway, I was done with him at that point.  Also, he authored our state's 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

BTW, please listen to the Friday, Feb 13th episode of Science Friday on public 
radio.  The first hour has a great interview with a professor who has uncovered 
incredible fraud in the FDA.

Medical Fraud Missing From Public Record 
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/02/13/2015/medical-fraud-missing-from-public-record.html
 
 
 
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/02/13/2015/medical-fraud-missing-from-public-record.html
 
 
 Medical Fraud Missing From Public Record 
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/02/13/2015/medical-fraud-missing-from-public-record.html
 An investigation of the FDA claims the agency isn't doing enough to expose 
instances of fraud and misconduct.
 
 
 
 View on www.sciencefriday.com 
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/02/13/2015/medical-fraud-missing-from-public-record.html
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Maybe you have not thought this through. Are you suggesting that GMO labels 
must appear on all strains of cannabis? What exactly does the acronym GMO mean?

We already have the USDA Certified Organic label, which certifies that the 
product is free of GMOs.

There is a reason that both Oregon and Colorado voters voted no on a ballot 
initiative that would have required certain labels on food products that 
contained genetically modified organisms (GMOs).

Food activists are free to pursue ballot initiatives. They are free to harass 
food manufacturers into compliance with their many outrageous demands. But 
voters should know that this comes at a cost--to large and small food 
companies, farmers, and mostly it costs you, the consumer money.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julie-gunlock/food-labeling-fatigue_b_6215052.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julie-gunlock/food-labeling-fatigue_b_6215052.html
  

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 The really sad thing about this gene update to apples is that it will kill the 
export market for US apples. Many countries will not accept them.  I believe 
Japan is already rejecting our non GMO apples as part of the trade wars in Free 
Trade.  Now this wrinkle.

Here's a fun article:  
http://libcloud.s3.amazonaws.com/93/42/f/3269/GMO_apple_fact_sheet_rev2.pdf 
http://libcloud.s3.amazonaws.com/93/42/f/3269/GMO_apple_fact_sheet_rev2.pdf


BTW, our Governor here in Oregon resigned last week.  I am sadden by this, but 
he also sold out the NO GMO crowd, of which I am a card carrying member of, 
when the Republicans held hostage a grand bargain to balance the budget.  The  
lasw basically made it illegal for counties to ban GMO crops since a few had 
done so in the past year.  What one issue has to do with other issue is beyond 
me!  Anyway, I was done with him at that point.  Also, he authored our state's 
Obamacare program which was an Epic Failure!  Wishing our new Governor good 
luck!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

The really sad thing about this gene update to apples is that it will kill the 
export market for US apples. Many countries will not accept them.  I believe 
Japan is already rejecting our non GMO apples as part of the trade wars in Free 
Trade.  Now this wrinkle.

Here's a fun article:  
http://libcloud.s3.amazonaws.com/93/42/f/3269/GMO_apple_fact_sheet_rev2.pdf 
http://libcloud.s3.amazonaws.com/93/42/f/3269/GMO_apple_fact_sheet_rev2.pdf


BTW, our Governor here in Oregon resigned last week.  I am sadden by this, but 
he also sold out the NO GMO crowd, of which I am a card carrying member of, 
when the Republicans held hostage a grand bargain to balance the budget.  The  
lasw basically made it illegal for counties to ban GMO crops since a few had 
done so in the past year.  What one issue has to do with other issue is beyond 
me!  Anyway, I was done with him at that point.  Also, he authored our state's 
Obamacare program which was an Epic Failure!  Wishing our new Governor good 
luck!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Maybe we need to define GMO - according to what I've read, there is no 
difference between GMO and non - GMO foods. Can you please explain to us what a 
GMO food is. Please use factual scientific terms. Try to avoid hypothetical, 
speculative or anecdotal explanations. Thank you.

In its recent decision in International Dairy Foods Association v. Ainesroy, 
92 F.3d 67 (2d Cir. 1996), the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit 
held that regulations requiring certain factual information to appear on food 
labels violated the First Amendment. This decision raises serious doubts that 
commercial speech can be regulated merely to satisfy the public’s “right to 
know.”

http://www.wlf.org/upload/legalstudies/legalopinionletter/AmestoyLOL.PDF 
http://www.wlf.org/upload/legalstudies/legalopinionletter/AmestoyLOL.PDF

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 BTW, please listen to the Friday, Feb 13th episode of Science Friday on public 
radio.  The first hour has a great interview with a professor who has uncovered 
incredible fraud in the FDA.

Medical Fraud Missing From Public Record 
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/02/13/2015/medical-fraud-missing-from-public-record.html
 
 
 
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/02/13/2015/medical-fraud-missing-from-public-record.html
 
 Medical Fraud Missing From Public Record 
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/02/13/2015/medical-fraud-missing-from-public-record.html
 An investigation of the FDA claims the agency isn't doing enough to expose 
instances of fraud and misconduct.


 
 View on www.sciencefriday.com 
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/02/13/2015/medical-fraud-missing-from-public-record.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[ultrarishi]

Maybe we need to define GMO - according to what I've read, there is no 
difference between GMO and non - GMO foods. Can you please explain to us what a 
GMO food is. Please use factual scientific terms. Try to avoid hypothetical, 
speculative or anecdotal explanations. Thank you.

It should be pretty obvious. Nature didn't make it.  It had to be spliced in.


Browning in fruit is an indication that the fruit is beyond ripe and largely 
inedible for folks.  It's kind of nature's pull date to use a supermarket 
analogy.  The fruit is still breaking down it just isn't showing its true 
colors, so to speak.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh great! GMO apples approved for growing in the US

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Some companies have started no-GMO labeling on their own.  These are 
mostly for products that Monsanto and their ilk have not intruded on 
such as coconut oil. And according to Jeffery Smith, the GMO expert, 
only yellow corn is GMO.  Popcorn, white corn, red and blue corn have 
not yet been intruded on.


When we had a GMO proposition on the ballot two years ago it was a great 
psychological test to see how people reacted to my pro labeling stance.  
BTW, that proposition actually may have gotten the votes as it is 
believed there was fraud in Central Valley agricultural areas.  To stave 
off any recounts the election officials in those areas demanded 
expensive fees for a recount.


On 02/16/2015 04:49 PM, ultrarishi wrote:


The really sad thing about this gene update to apples is that it will 
kill the export market for US apples. Many countries will not accept 
them.  I believe Japan is already rejecting our non GMO apples as part 
of the trade wars in Free Trade.  Now this wrinkle.


Here's a fun article: 
http://libcloud.s3.amazonaws.com/93/42/f/3269/GMO_apple_fact_sheet_rev2.pdf



BTW, our Governor here in Oregon resigned last week.  I am sadden by 
this, but he also sold out the NO GMO crowd, of which I am a card 
carrying member of, when the Republicans held hostage a grand bargain 
to balance the budget.  The lasw basically made it illegal for 
counties to ban GMO crops since a few had done so in the past year.  
What one issue has to do with other issue is beyond me!  Anyway, I was 
done with him at that point.  Also, he authored our state's Obamacare 
program which was an Epic Failure! Wishing our new Governor good luck!