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Yeah, I appreciate it. Great advice which doesn't work for most parents either. Hey son/daughter, just give up smoking pot because you're thinking too much. I don't specifically recall saying I was trying to think less. I did say I wanted to feel less. Maybe it's a small difference. I don't really want to feel less, but be more stable. That's all. Get some appetite for food back. Stopping pot acheives that not. Just take my goddamn motherfucking word for it. Save the kiddy advice for them. Though thanks for thinking for my benefit. I am sorry that my response came off sounding defensive. It was. For a non-stoner, any problem someone who smokes has must obviously be because they are stoners. For a stoner, there's just no consideration of giving up weed. Like a cigarette smoker. And fact is, both smoker types can still be helped by psychiatrists, that is, if psychiatrists or their drugs can help. Fact is I know at least one or two seriously bad off (fulll schizophrenic) people who did better through medicine. Which included anti depressants. The anti made all the difference between them before when they regularly were locked up for hostile actions and later when they weren't. Most psychiatric drugs do not feel good at all. In their words to me. Let me just state it clearly Barry. I am trying to gather energy from somewhere so that I don't do one of those full fledged burnout things like some billionaires do where they just leave their home in their bathrobe someday and become hobos and are never heard from again. It's merely a job decision. I wish there were any simple cure like long walks or regular sex or pranayama or forte 609 herbal treatment or stopping smoking pot, but none of that is gonna make a difference. I hope you can see that I respect you through the fact that I am corresponding with you fairly regularly. If you feel offended through the 'voice' of my writing then please do not be offended. I believe this is about the last post I have for the week, so the next three pages are what I really think Just kidding. Have a great weekend Y'awls. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: --Turq, now you know that hurt. It was supposed to help, not hurt. Prohibition and all that. There was not a whit of prohibition in what I said. You complained of your mind being full of thoughts, as if that was causing you distress. I commented (accurately as far as I can tell) that in my experience that is one of the effects of pot. Therefore, pot might not be in your best interest if what you are trying to achieve is a head less full of thoughts. There is no prohibition there. I mean Dude if you took away my beer you couldn't be asking more. I'm not taking away anything. You complained of something you perceive to be a problem. I merely commented that one of the things you've spoken of here as a fairly regular activity might be exacer- bating that problem. What you choose to do with the comment is up to you.
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Okay Curtis. BTW it's kine bud as in the Hawaiian term 'da kine.' Not Kind bud. Cracks me up this younger generation. Yeah, well fact is I want to stop smoking pot altogether just for basic and simple reasons of cost and it being bad for lungs also time consuming and so on. I'm not pot blind. Just so far nothing has worked to substitute. Just for the record I am being really open about this whole thing because I believe this situation is pretty common or will be, so I think some may benefit from my openess. There's certainly no compulsion for me to tell the whole world all my issues. I hope this sort of sharing through the net doesn't lead to someone stealing my identity ;) - Original Message - From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Snip If I don't smoke weed I go through actual physical withdrawls exactly like a heroin addict, exactly. snip I'm gonna tell my shrink I smoke it. If he has any sense at all he will not tell me to give it up. I am in back of house food services. Turq, have you ever worked in a kitchen before? You are talking with a very sympathetic audience here Kirk. These are just points of view to consider. Sometimes from within mental discomfort it isn't easy to see your way out. I hope that if you do go to a professional who could prescribe psychoactive chemicals to help you gain mental peace, that you will give the guy a chance to do his job. Especially if you trust him enough to take drugs from him in the first place. It would be like having your sous chef adding ingredients to a dish you were cooking whenever you turned your back to add more mind altering drugs to the mix. You've been doing the best you could up to now with what you had, and you know the results. If you don't dig the results you are getting and go to a professional, let him do his job and keep an open mind that he may know something about how your brain is functioning that you couldn't know from inside. My take on what Turq said is that every brain alter-er has a price. I include meditation in this. If it is strong enough to give you relief by altering brain chemistry, then you are going to have to pay afterwords. The after effects of weed may not be as strong as coke the next day. But regular use does lead to a lack of the feel good brain chemicals when you are not using it. That means that for the evening's Jamaican vacation experience you get a next day of Jersey City rush hour brain with zero Jamaicanessintudeinmentinhood. And functioning in this state every day also has a price in your ability to create the life you want for yourself. So I'm not trying to take away the self-medication that you are finding value in Kirk. I'm just saying that if you want different results be open to a new perspective from a mental health pro. If it wasn't different from what you were doing on your own you wouldn't need him. I am a fan of temporary enhanced euphoria in various forms as a contrast. But if it is habitual then you lose out on a general sense of joy and well-being that your brain can give you when it doesn't have a synaptic debt to pay each day. If your brain isn't serving that to you naturally, then you may need a chemical boost. If you work with the right person, you will get that boost with less blowback than weed offers. Your Goddess can do better for you than what you are using now IMO. She has other tricks up her skirt than the kind bud. I hope you find someone you can trust and give it a shot brother. You deserve to be happy. I am a well-wisher rooting for you Kirk. --Turq, now you know that hurt. Prohibition and all that. I mean Dude if you took away my beer you couldn't be asking more. Goddess brings me weed. Because it makes me calm. You can choose what to do with that information but save the rest. Truth really is, if I don't smoke it, I think more and relax much less. I will stand amongst the millions with my lighter raised. I just will. I also sort of fail to understand what you were saying. Pot is making me think too much? Was that it? Since the time I was a tot people have been telling me I think too much. Yes, that's a bit of a problem. You know what? If I don't smoke weed I go through actual physical withdrawls exactly like a heroin addict, exactly. I have been addicted to opiates before to the tune of about six or seven times. We're talking taking for months and then abrupt stopping. First day later the eyes look red and the nose starts to drip. That, you don't get from weed withdrawl. But you get the rest, the nightsweats, weakness, sense of loss, confusion, then I start dreaming about the future and stuff. Turq you ever seen a Tibetan
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Okay Curtis. BTW it's kine bud as in the Hawaiian term 'da kine.' Not Kind bud. Cracks me up this younger generation. That is interesting and may explain why none of the skater kids will sell me any weed when I ask for kind bud! But it was definitely worth it to hear you refer to me as the younger generation! I'm gunna try asking for some lamb's bread next time. (I woke up this morning thinking I was starting ot sprout some dreads but it turned out that I had just slept on some gum. I'm gunna start re-thinking all the stoner terms. For example I just learned that The word bong is an adaptation of the Thai word baung which refers, of course, to what you do with the chick you are smoking with, and the real reason you offered her some of your kine bud! We're all rooting for you Kirk. Yeah, well fact is I want to stop smoking pot altogether just for basic and simple reasons of cost and it being bad for lungs also time consuming and so on. I'm not pot blind. Just so far nothing has worked to substitute. Just for the record I am being really open about this whole thing because I believe this situation is pretty common or will be, so I think some may benefit from my openess. There's certainly no compulsion for me to tell the whole world all my issues. I hope this sort of sharing through the net doesn't lead to someone stealing my identity ;) - Original Message - From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Snip If I don't smoke weed I go through actual physical withdrawls exactly like a heroin addict, exactly. snip I'm gonna tell my shrink I smoke it. If he has any sense at all he will not tell me to give it up. I am in back of house food services. Turq, have you ever worked in a kitchen before? You are talking with a very sympathetic audience here Kirk. These are just points of view to consider. Sometimes from within mental discomfort it isn't easy to see your way out. I hope that if you do go to a professional who could prescribe psychoactive chemicals to help you gain mental peace, that you will give the guy a chance to do his job. Especially if you trust him enough to take drugs from him in the first place. It would be like having your sous chef adding ingredients to a dish you were cooking whenever you turned your back to add more mind altering drugs to the mix. You've been doing the best you could up to now with what you had, and you know the results. If you don't dig the results you are getting and go to a professional, let him do his job and keep an open mind that he may know something about how your brain is functioning that you couldn't know from inside. My take on what Turq said is that every brain alter-er has a price. I include meditation in this. If it is strong enough to give you relief by altering brain chemistry, then you are going to have to pay afterwords. The after effects of weed may not be as strong as coke the next day. But regular use does lead to a lack of the feel good brain chemicals when you are not using it. That means that for the evening's Jamaican vacation experience you get a next day of Jersey City rush hour brain with zero Jamaicanessintudeinmentinhood. And functioning in this state every day also has a price in your ability to create the life you want for yourself. So I'm not trying to take away the self-medication that you are finding value in Kirk. I'm just saying that if you want different results be open to a new perspective from a mental health pro. If it wasn't different from what you were doing on your own you wouldn't need him. I am a fan of temporary enhanced euphoria in various forms as a contrast. But if it is habitual then you lose out on a general sense of joy and well-being that your brain can give you when it doesn't have a synaptic debt to pay each day. If your brain isn't serving that to you naturally, then you may need a chemical boost. If you work with the right person, you will get that boost with less blowback than weed offers. Your Goddess can do better for you than what you are using now IMO. She has other tricks up her skirt than the kind bud. I hope you find someone you can trust and give it a shot brother. You deserve to be happy. I am a well-wisher rooting for you Kirk. --Turq, now you know that hurt. Prohibition and all that. I mean Dude if you took away my beer you couldn't be asking more. Goddess brings me weed. Because it makes me calm. You can choose what to do with that information but save the rest. Truth really is, if I don't smoke it, I think more
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No offense really intended but you're one of the weirdest people FFLife has ever had. Also, anyone who calls me stupid for not doing what they say is not getting my help to find their previous post. Keep it. - Original Message - From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: The SSRI's (Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Lexipro, etc.) are pretty good drugs for lessening the symptoms of clinical depression. Their most common side effect is some weight gain and reduced libido. Which in turn will lead to more depression. Kirk should follow my advice, and ignore the rest of you. But he is not smart enough for that. He thinks only someone that sucks up to him and is all nicey nicey can help him. That is a fallacy, and that may be why he has reached the point he is at. Get tough Kirk. Use reason, not emotion. Take my advice and be a man. I posted the advice in an earlier post in this thread. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: No offense really intended but you're one of the weirdest people FFLife has ever had. Also, anyone who calls me stupid for not doing what they say is not getting my help to find their previous post. Keep it. I take no offense from being called one of the wierdest on FFL - lol, that is a compliment ! But you proved my point. You think only someone that sucks up to you and is all nicey nicey can give good advice, and someone you like. That is a fallacy, and that may be why you have reached the point you are in. I don't give a flying falaffel what you do. The others want you to take their advice to satisfy their ego that they superficially helped someone. It is all about ego. But you are not smart enough to see that. Don't take my advice, take theirs. They are all nicey nicey, but they are all wrong. You will take their advice and it will fail. Mine is the only one that works. You can do what you want. It does not matter to me. If you are not a smart person, then nature will take its course Evolution is survival of the smartest, now take my advice and you will be completely cured. OffWorld - Original Message - From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The SSRI's (Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Lexipro, etc.) are pretty good drugs for lessening the symptoms of clinical depression. Their most common side effect is some weight gain and reduced libido. Which in turn will lead to more depression. Kirk should follow my advice, and ignore the rest of you. But he is not smart enough for that. He thinks only someone that sucks up to him and is all nicey nicey can help him. That is a fallacy, and that may be why he has reached the point he is at. Get tough Kirk. Use reason, not emotion. Take my advice and be a man. I posted the advice in an earlier post in this thread. OffWorld
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On Mar 5, 2009, at 9:09 AM, off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: No offense really intended but you're one of the weirdest people FFLife has ever had. Also, anyone who calls me stupid for not doing what they say is not getting my help to find their previous post. Keep it. I take no offense from being called one of the wierdest on FFL - lol, that is a compliment ! Great. Let's go with that then.
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Hey Off, what's your clinical training and experience dealing with psychological disorders? --- On Thu, 3/5/09, off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 9:09 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: No offense really intended but you're one of the weirdest people FFLife has ever had. Also, anyone who calls me stupid for not doing what they say is not getting my help to find their previous post. Keep it. I take no offense from being called one of the wierdest on FFL - lol, that is a compliment ! But you proved my point. You think only someone that sucks up to you and is all nicey nicey can give good advice, and someone you like. That is a fallacy, and that may be why you have reached the point you are in. I don't give a flying falaffel what you do. The others want you to take their advice to satisfy their ego that they superficially helped someone. It is all about ego. But you are not smart enough to see that. Don't take my advice, take theirs. They are all nicey nicey, but they are all wrong. You will take their advice and it will fail. Mine is the only one that works. You can do what you want. It does not matter to me. If you are not a smart person, then nature will take its course Evolution is survival of the smartest, now take my advice and you will be completely cured. OffWorld - Original Message - From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The SSRI's (Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Lexipro, etc.) are pretty good drugs for lessening the symptoms of clinical depression. Their most common side effect is some weight gain and reduced libido. Which in turn will lead to more depression. Kirk should follow my advice, and ignore the rest of you. But he is not smart enough for that. He thinks only someone that sucks up to him and is all nicey nicey can help him. That is a fallacy, and that may be why he has reached the point he is at. Get tough Kirk. Use reason, not emotion. Take my advice and be a man. I posted the advice in an earlier post in this thread. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Hey Off, what's your clinical training and experience dealing with psychological disorders? Must... resist... making... snarky... comment...
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--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 9:45 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Hey Off, what's your clinical training and experience dealing with psychological disorders? Must... resist... making... snarky... comment... Alex, great frontal lobe action on your part! To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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- Original Message - From: Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 9:45 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Hey Off, what's your clinical training and experience dealing with psychological disorders? Must... resist... making... snarky... comment... Alex, great frontal lobe action on your part! ---They always said Alex had a great future but a flat behind. ;) Just kidding Alex. Anyone watch Nip/Tuck?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Me, I need drugs. All bullshit aside, I need a drug right now which makes my brain not mind working sixty plus hours a week, so that when I do have some few moments off that I can then relax naturally, and I don't mean the spiritual unstressing relaxation which itself seems somehow stressing, but I mean just simply sitting with the wife and you know I would be able to chill. Kirk, in all honesty, even though I have been one of the voices speaking up for the occasionally liberating experience of cannabis, I would say that based on the above you should keep off the grass. My few experiments with marijuana in Amsterdam were -- for me -- productive, but boy! does one's head fill up with thoughts. In my case this wasn't a bad thing because I just don't seem to *do* bad thoughts or negative thoughts or depressing thoughts. Any thoughts running through my mind after a few hits of can- nabis were mainly creative, and if I wrote them down, I sometimes even got paid for thinking them. But if one of the things you find oppressive is a head full of too many thoughts, it seems to me based on a non-MD's perspective that grass is exactly the wrong way to go. So what if it relaxes the body if your mind is running a marathon, in territory you don't like.
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Seriously, evaluate Zoloft in how it affects your LIFE, not your meditation. And for that matter, evaluate meditation the same way. Until you can live a decent life, what's the point of talking about some more lofty goal? L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Anyone here take it - know how it works with meditation. Is it good? Worth pursuing if one is actually sort of depressed? Supposedly at least 40% of New Orleaneans have PTSD. Many others just naturally depressed, myself due to crappy job market. Life prospects. Sidha midlife crisis includes feeling stupid for sitting dreaming of hovering for countless hours and feeling bitter at such a failure. (That was a joke Haha) You know I used to hate my employers. I thought they were all evil bastards, but that was before Katrina and a bunch of newbies showed up with bullshit schemes like profit sharing and so on instead of just paying a person. People who have no freaking clue how to set up a kitchen, write a menu, create schedules, treat people. Fuck I hate cooking in New Orleans. Somedays I wish I could crash my car at 150 mph and go out in a flaming ball of wreckage. If the Causeway were clear I could pull off that speed then shoot off the lane divider and flip out like fireworks over Lake Pontchartrain. That would be cool. Uh, if I had a better car. Because life is so fucked. On that note did anyone hear we were 'nearly missed' yesterday by an asteroid that was within lunar orbit (meaning less than 100,000 miles away) that would have impacted with Earth as a hundred Hiroshimas. Onward Zoloft.
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The SSRI's (Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Lexipro, etc.) are pretty good drugs for lessening the symptoms of clinical depression. Their most common side effect is some weight gain and reduced libido. But the impact they have on you might vary, that is why you want to work with a good psychiatrist who will listen to your feedback and adjust the meds when needed. As Ruth notes here, I'd avoid herbal remedies because they don't work. Hell, you have nothing to loose by trying them, but they don't work. --- On Tue, 3/3/09, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 9:14 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: http://www.tibetanherbs.com/happinesssupport.html -very good,safe and vegetarian formulas also you can use Blissful Joy from MAPI 2x2 if you are depressed, and the aroma too is good if you can afford as well Kirk has spent too much money on the TMO. Blissful Joy is going to be counter productive. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:47 PM, I am the eternal wrote: For some reason I seem to attract psychiatrists as friends. LOL. No comment needed there.
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--Turq, now you know that hurt. Prohibition and all that. I mean Dude if you took away my beer you couldn't be asking more. Goddess brings me weed. Because it makes me calm. You can choose what to do with that information but save the rest. Truth really is, if I don't smoke it, I think more and relax much less. I will stand amongst the millions with my lighter raised. I just will. I also sort of fail to understand what you were saying. Pot is making me think too much? Was that it? Since the time I was a tot people have been telling me I think too much. Yes, that's a bit of a problem. You know what? If I don't smoke weed I go through actual physical withdrawls exactly like a heroin addict, exactly. I have been addicted to opiates before to the tune of about six or seven times. We're talking taking for months and then abrupt stopping. First day later the eyes look red and the nose starts to drip. That, you don't get from weed withdrawl. But you get the rest, the nightsweats, weakness, sense of loss, confusion, then I start dreaming about the future and stuff. Turq you ever seen a Tibetan concert like before a big tsok or something. They have big drums and cymbals which crash and sound alot like heavy metal. It's suppose to stun any hostile spirits while pleasing the favorable. On that specific note sometimes I drive some lama or another around and I used to put on pleasant sounding shit for music. One lama liked country, but later I just said fuck it, I started just playing heavy metal, rock, soul, whatever I was listening to. Tibetan Lamas are used to listening to music that sounds like hard rock. Those pleasant Yoda looking lamas are not who they appear to be. They all love a good party. Even if they're vinaya and it's just a small bite of extra burfi. I'm just saying there's an outside and an inside to everything. Some get by on burfi, some need the extremely luxuriant designer kine bud. I'm gonna tell my shrink I smoke it. If he has any sense at all he will not tell me to give it up. I am in back of house food services. Turq, have you ever worked in a kitchen before? Kirk, in all honesty, even though I have been one of the voices speaking up for the occasionally liberating experience of cannabis, I would say that based on the above you should keep off the grass. My few experiments with marijuana in Amsterdam were -- for me -- productive, but boy! does one's head fill up with thoughts. In my case this wasn't a bad thing because I just don't seem to *do* bad thoughts or negative thoughts or depressing thoughts. Any thoughts running through my mind after a few hits of can- nabis were mainly creative, and if I wrote them down, I sometimes even got paid for thinking them. But if one of the things you find oppressive is a head full of too many thoughts, it seems to me based on a non-MD's perspective that grass is exactly the wrong way to go. So what if it relaxes the body if your mind is running a marathon, in territory you don't like. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: --Turq, now you know that hurt. It was supposed to help, not hurt. Prohibition and all that. There was not a whit of prohibition in what I said. You complained of your mind being full of thoughts, as if that was causing you distress. I commented (accurately as far as I can tell) that in my experience that is one of the effects of pot. Therefore, pot might not be in your best interest if what you are trying to achieve is a head less full of thoughts. There is no prohibition there. I mean Dude if you took away my beer you couldn't be asking more. I'm not taking away anything. You complained of something you perceive to be a problem. I merely commented that one of the things you've spoken of here as a fairly regular activity might be exacer- bating that problem. What you choose to do with the comment is up to you.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Snip If I don't smoke weed I go through actual physical withdrawls exactly like a heroin addict, exactly. snip I'm gonna tell my shrink I smoke it. If he has any sense at all he will not tell me to give it up. I am in back of house food services. Turq, have you ever worked in a kitchen before? You are talking with a very sympathetic audience here Kirk. These are just points of view to consider. Sometimes from within mental discomfort it isn't easy to see your way out. I hope that if you do go to a professional who could prescribe psychoactive chemicals to help you gain mental peace, that you will give the guy a chance to do his job. Especially if you trust him enough to take drugs from him in the first place. It would be like having your sous chef adding ingredients to a dish you were cooking whenever you turned your back to add more mind altering drugs to the mix. You've been doing the best you could up to now with what you had, and you know the results. If you don't dig the results you are getting and go to a professional, let him do his job and keep an open mind that he may know something about how your brain is functioning that you couldn't know from inside. My take on what Turq said is that every brain alter-er has a price. I include meditation in this. If it is strong enough to give you relief by altering brain chemistry, then you are going to have to pay afterwords. The after effects of weed may not be as strong as coke the next day. But regular use does lead to a lack of the feel good brain chemicals when you are not using it. That means that for the evening's Jamaican vacation experience you get a next day of Jersey City rush hour brain with zero Jamaicanessintudeinmentinhood. And functioning in this state every day also has a price in your ability to create the life you want for yourself. So I'm not trying to take away the self-medication that you are finding value in Kirk. I'm just saying that if you want different results be open to a new perspective from a mental health pro. If it wasn't different from what you were doing on your own you wouldn't need him. I am a fan of temporary enhanced euphoria in various forms as a contrast. But if it is habitual then you lose out on a general sense of joy and well-being that your brain can give you when it doesn't have a synaptic debt to pay each day. If your brain isn't serving that to you naturally, then you may need a chemical boost. If you work with the right person, you will get that boost with less blowback than weed offers. Your Goddess can do better for you than what you are using now IMO. She has other tricks up her skirt than the kind bud. I hope you find someone you can trust and give it a shot brother. You deserve to be happy. I am a well-wisher rooting for you Kirk. --Turq, now you know that hurt. Prohibition and all that. I mean Dude if you took away my beer you couldn't be asking more. Goddess brings me weed. Because it makes me calm. You can choose what to do with that information but save the rest. Truth really is, if I don't smoke it, I think more and relax much less. I will stand amongst the millions with my lighter raised. I just will. I also sort of fail to understand what you were saying. Pot is making me think too much? Was that it? Since the time I was a tot people have been telling me I think too much. Yes, that's a bit of a problem. You know what? If I don't smoke weed I go through actual physical withdrawls exactly like a heroin addict, exactly. I have been addicted to opiates before to the tune of about six or seven times. We're talking taking for months and then abrupt stopping. First day later the eyes look red and the nose starts to drip. That, you don't get from weed withdrawl. But you get the rest, the nightsweats, weakness, sense of loss, confusion, then I start dreaming about the future and stuff. Turq you ever seen a Tibetan concert like before a big tsok or something. They have big drums and cymbals which crash and sound alot like heavy metal. It's suppose to stun any hostile spirits while pleasing the favorable. On that specific note sometimes I drive some lama or another around and I used to put on pleasant sounding shit for music. One lama liked country, but later I just said fuck it, I started just playing heavy metal, rock, soul, whatever I was listening to. Tibetan Lamas are used to listening to music that sounds like hard rock. Those pleasant Yoda looking lamas are not who they appear to be. They all love a good party. Even if they're vinaya and it's just a small bite of extra burfi. I'm just saying there's an outside and an inside to everything. Some get by on burfi, some need the extremely luxuriant designer kine bud. I'm gonna tell my shrink I smoke it. If he has any sense at all he will not tell me
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: The SSRI's (Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Lexipro, etc.) are pretty good drugs for lessening the symptoms of clinical depression. Their most common side effect is some weight gain and reduced libido. Which in turn will lead to more depression. Kirk should follow my advice, and ignore the rest of you. But he is not smart enough for that. He thinks only someone that sucks up to him and is all nicey nicey can help him. That is a fallacy, and that may be why he has reached the point he is at. Get tough Kirk. Use reason, not emotion. Take my advice and be a man. I posted the advice in an earlier post in this thread. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: --Turq, now you know that hurt. Prohibition and all that. I mean Dude if you took away my beer you couldn't be asking more. Goddess brings me weed. Because it makes me calm. You can choose what to do with that information but save the rest. Truth really is, if I don't smoke it, I think more and relax much less. Then cut down, because it probably gives you the munchies, which in turn affects your diet, which in turn screws up your mood. Diet is everything. (and I hope you don't use tobacco with canabis, that is the worst part of that habit in my opinion.) OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: The SSRI's (Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Lexipro, etc.) are pretty good drugs for lessening the symptoms of clinical depression. Their most common side effect is some weight gain and reduced libido. But the impact they have on you might vary, that is why you want to work with a good psychiatrist who will listen to your feedback and adjust the meds when needed. As Ruth notes here, I'd avoid herbal remedies because they don't work. Hell, you have nothing to loose by trying them, but they don't work. I suppose medicines like the SSRI's are not originally based on plants either. And if they are not they m u s t be good for you. Thus spoke a shrink making his living from pushing tablets produced, undoubtedly, by this planet's most healthy industry.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The SSRI's (Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Lexipro, etc.) are pretty good drugs for lessening the symptoms of clinical depression. Their most common side effect is some weight gain and reduced libido. But the impact they have on you might vary, that is why you want to work with a good psychiatrist who will listen to your feedback and adjust the meds when needed. As Ruth notes here, I'd avoid herbal remedies because they don't work. Hell, you have nothing to loose by trying them, but they don't work. I suppose medicines like the SSRI's are not originally based on plants either. And if they are not they m u s t be good for you. Thus spoke a shrink making his living from pushing tablets produced, undoubtedly, by this planet's most healthy industry. Nabby are you fishing for an invitation to Suri Cruse's blow out birthday bash at the L. Ron Hubbard Thetan-free Scientology Celebration Center so you can rub shoulders with people who have attained the highest level of clear like the dwarf-like Tom Cruise so you can discuss how much more you guys know about the effects of modern psychological pharmaceuticals than the people trained in this field who treat people on a daily basis? I'd like to be a fly on that wall.
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Kirk kirk_bernha...@cox.net wrote: --Turq, now you know that hurt. Prohibition and all that. I mean Dude if you took away my beer you couldn't be asking more. Goddess brings me weed. Because it makes me calm. You can choose what to do with that information but save the rest. Truth really is, if I don't smoke it, I think more and relax much less. Kirk, you've been self-medicating, not using drugs for recreation or spiritual reasons. Expect to get some flak for this. But the two psychopharmacologists I know tell me that each of them keep the PDR of herbal medicines on their bookshelf. Tell the doctor what you're using and why. She will need to take that into account. Expect to be given a mix of psychotropic drugs that should quickly make the edginess and therefore the have-to-have for the drugs go away. If not, raise a stink to High Heaven because the wrong meds can make you very edgy, make you shake and want to constantly pace. You need to get to a point, man, where you can take or leave street or not-prescribed for you prescription drugs. Realize that mixing the things the doctor gives you with alkaloids or prescription drugs you buy off the street could make your wife a widow at a most inopportune time. Curtis, thanks for stepping in and answering those in the group who know the theory of what can't be good for you but not the abject reality of a soul in distress. My friend with the Prostate Cancer called up The Raj asking for a consultation and PK. He was told to call back after he had been fully treated for his Pca.
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by dissing anything that comes from the pharmaceutical industry, some of you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. i swear by aspirin and when i have needed them, prescription pain killers (mostly for dental procedures). i have also seen miraculous results with SSRIs in two close friends (both Zoloft and Prozac). the key is to keep the doses low enough so that side effects are minimized. self medicating with street drugs, or relying on herbal remedies are not effective solutions in many cases. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The SSRI's (Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Lexipro, etc.) are pretty good drugs for lessening the symptoms of clinical depression. Their most common side effect is some weight gain and reduced libido. But the impact they have on you might vary, that is why you want to work with a good psychiatrist who will listen to your feedback and adjust the meds when needed. As Ruth notes here, I'd avoid herbal remedies because they don't work. Hell, you have nothing to loose by trying them, but they don't work. I suppose medicines like the SSRI's are not originally based on plants either. And if they are not they m u s t be good for you. Thus spoke a shrink making his living from pushing tablets produced, undoubtedly, by this planet's most healthy industry.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: The SSRI's (Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Lexipro, etc.) are pretty good drugs for lessening the symptoms of clinical depression. Their most common side effect is some weight gain and reduced libido. But the impact they have on you might vary, that is why you want to work with a good psychiatrist who will listen to your feedback and adjust the meds when needed. As Ruth notes here, I'd avoid herbal remedies because they don't work. Hell, you have nothing to loose by trying them, but they don't work. I've lost 30 lbs since boosting my prozac dosage and my psychiatrist informs me that one common use of prozac is as a diet pill, so I'm not sure how accurate your info is. My suggestion for Kirk: find a psychiatrist who is empathetic towards the use of whatever you prefer to use (e.g. TM) and work with him/her in the context of your life-goals, such as they are. L.
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On Mar 4, 2009, at 4:21 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: The SSRI's (Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Lexipro, etc.) are pretty good drugs for lessening the symptoms of clinical depression. Their most common side effect is some weight gain and reduced libido. But the impact they have on you might vary, that is why you want to work with a good psychiatrist who will listen to your feedback and adjust the meds when needed. As Ruth notes here, I'd avoid herbal remedies because they don't work. Hell, you have nothing to loose by trying them, but they don't work. I've lost 30 lbs since boosting my prozac dosage and my psychiatrist informs me that one common use of prozac is as a diet pill, so I'm not sure how accurate your info is. Your psychiatrist sounds like he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, spare. Here's what Wikipedia has to say: Fluoxetine has been approved by the FDA for the treatment of major depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, bulimia nervosa and panic disorder. Which, since it's used to treat bulimia, would seem tp indicate just the opposite...that it helps depressed people get their wight back up, a far more common experience, just as Peter said. And, since this guy appears to be giving advice not only at odds with the claims of the drug's manufacturers but also common sense, I would say check this dude's credentials as well. My suggestion for Kirk: find a psychiatrist who is empathetic towards the use of whatever you prefer to use (e.g. TM) and work with him/her in the context of your life-goals, such as they are. Kirk's not brain-dead, spare. If TM was going to work it would have done so long before now. Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2009, at 4:21 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The SSRI's (Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Lexipro, etc.) are pretty good drugs for lessening the symptoms of clinical depression. Their most common side effect is some weight gain and reduced libido. But the impact they have on you might vary, that is why you want to work with a good psychiatrist who will listen to your feedback and adjust the meds when needed. As Ruth notes here, I'd avoid herbal remedies because they don't work. Hell, you have nothing to loose by trying them, but they don't work. I've lost 30 lbs since boosting my prozac dosage and my psychiatrist informs me that one common use of prozac is as a diet pill, so I'm not sure how accurate your info is. Your psychiatrist sounds like he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, spare. Here's what Wikipedia has to say: Fluoxetine has been approved by the FDA for the treatment of major depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, bulimia nervosa and panic disorder. And if your weight issue is caused by obsessive-compulsive overeating...? Googling: Fluoxetine weight control might give you a wider range of knowledge about its use than merely reading wikipedia. Which, since it's used to treat bulimia, would seem tp indicate just the opposite...that it helps depressed people get their wight back up, a far more common experience, just as Peter said. And, since this guy appears to be giving advice not only at odds with the claims of the drug's manufacturers but also common sense, I would say check this dude's credentials as well. SSRI's have different effects on different people. SOme people actually report *increased* libido as a side-effect of Fluoxetine use. My suggestion for Kirk: find a psychiatrist who is empathetic towards the use of whatever you prefer to use (e.g. TM) and work with him/her in the context of your life-goals, such as they are. Kirk's not brain-dead, spare. If TM was going to work it would have done so long before now. TM-as-medication isn't a good way to use TM if its not working as medication. OTOH, if you see TM as something in a more spiritual mode, then its part of your lifestyle. Me, I do TM because it seems to help my symptoms. YMMV of course. K
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2009, at 4:21 PM, sparaig wrote: snip I've lost 30 lbs since boosting my prozac dosage and my psychiatrist informs me that one common use of prozac is as a diet pill, so I'm not sure how accurate your info is. Your psychiatrist sounds like he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, spare. Here's what Wikipedia has to say: Fluoxetine has been approved by the FDA for the treatment of major depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, bulimia nervosa and panic disorder. Actually, as usual, it's Sal who doesn't know what she's talking about. Weight loss is indeed one of the off-label uses for Prozac. But here's the real howler: Which, since it's used to treat bulimia, would seem tp indicate just the opposite...that it helps depressed people get their wight back up She's confusing bulimia nervosa with anorexia nervosa. Anorexic patients eat as little as possible, so they're underweight. Bulimia involves repeated binge-eating followed by purging, which tends to keep the weight stable. Bulimic patients are typically of average weight.
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On Mar 4, 2009, at 6:16 PM, sparaig wrote: My suggestion for Kirk: find a psychiatrist who is empathetic towards the use of whatever you prefer to use (e.g. TM) and work with him/her in the context of your life-goals, such as they are. Kirk's not brain-dead, spare. If TM was going to work it would have done so long before now. TM-as-medication isn't a good way to use TM if its not working as medication. OTOH, if you see TM as something in a more spiritual mode, then its part of your lifestyle. Me, I do TM because it seems to help my symptoms. YMMV of course. You certainly have followed thru on your promise to not obsessively post (great job BTW). But now that you've also shared that you've upped your Prozac dose, how do you know which, fluoxetine or TM, caused your symptoms to subside?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2009, at 6:16 PM, sparaig wrote: My suggestion for Kirk: find a psychiatrist who is empathetic towards the use of whatever you prefer to use (e.g. TM) and work with him/her in the context of your life-goals, such as they are. Kirk's not brain-dead, spare. If TM was going to work it would have done so long before now. TM-as-medication isn't a good way to use TM if its not working as medication. OTOH, if you see TM as something in a more spiritual mode, then its part of your lifestyle. Me, I do TM because it seems to help my symptoms. YMMV of course. You certainly have followed thru on your promise to not obsessively post (great job BTW). But now that you've also shared that you've upped your Prozac dose, how do you know which, fluoxetine or TM, caused your symptoms to subside? WEll, obviously, Prozac, for the symptoms that have changed since I upped the dose. Lawson
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Anyone here take it - know how it works with meditation. Is it good? Worth pursuing if one is actually sort of depressed? Supposedly at least 40% of New Orleaneans have PTSD. Many others just naturally depressed, myself due to crappy job market. Life prospects. Sidha midlife crisis includes feeling stupid for sitting dreaming of hovering for countless hours and feeling bitter at such a failure. (That was a joke Haha) You know I used to hate my employers. I thought they were all evil bastards, but that was before Katrina and a bunch of newbies showed up with bullshit schemes like profit sharing and so on instead of just paying a person. People who have no freaking clue how to set up a kitchen, write a menu, create schedules, treat people. Fuck I hate cooking in New Orleans. Somedays I wish I could crash my car at 150 mph and go out in a flaming ball of wreckage. But death is an illusion, so whats the point? That'll cheer you up. Why don't you pack up and get in a sailboat and sail to Hawaii? OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Anyone here take it - know how it works with meditation. Is it good? Worth pursuing if one is actually sort of depressed? Supposedly at least 40% of New Orleaneans have PTSD. Many others just naturally depressed, myself due to crappy job market. Life prospects. Sidha midlife crisis includes feeling stupid for sitting dreaming of hovering for countless hours and feeling bitter at such a failure. (That was a joke Haha) You know I used to hate my employers. I thought they were all evil bastards, but that was before Katrina and a bunch of newbies showed up with bullshit schemes like profit sharing and so on instead of just paying a person. People who have no freaking clue how to set up a kitchen, write a menu, create schedules, treat people. Fuck I hate cooking in New Orleans. Somedays I wish I could crash my car at 150 mph and go out in a flaming ball of wreckage. But death is an illusion, so whats the point? That'll cheer you up. Why don't you pack up and get in a sailboat and sail to Hawaii? OffWorld If you hate cooking in New Orleans, then why are you doing it. If New Orleans is a pit, why not move somewhere else? We have this thing called free will... Please don't abuse it to crash... That would be truely sad, and a waste. You have much to add to this poor world...be happy, however you can, to raise your vibration, Don't believe those suicidal whispers, they are not from your higher power, but rather from the voices of hopelessness. R.G.
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:43 PM, off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Anyone here take it - know how it works with meditation. Is it good? Worth pursuing if one is actually sort of depressed? Supposedly at least 40% of New Orleaneans have PTSD. Many others just naturally depressed, myself due to crappy job market. Life prospects. Sidha midlife crisis includes feeling stupid for sitting dreaming of hovering for countless hours and feeling bitter at such a failure. (That was a joke Haha) You know I used to hate my employers. Your best bet would be to see a psychopharmacologist, a psychiatrist who specializes in the prescribing of psychotropic drugs. There are so many psychotropic drugs on the market, each with its own treatment and side effect profile that you would want to have something prescribed by someone who's got years of experience in watching the results of these drugs dozens of times a day. That's not something your normal GP or even psychiatrist would get in their day to day practice. How to find a psychopharacologist? Call up psychiatrists and ask them if they are a psychopharmacologist. Even a psychopharmacologist would be trying a variety of different drugs on you until reaching a favorable result versus side effect solution. If you go to see such a specialist, you might mention the latest results on propanadol, a high blood pressure drug which works by blocking certain nerve transmissions. In low doses it's proven to be very powerful in dealing with PTSD. The VA, which despite all the negative press, has the best outcomes per dollar spent, is starting to give the drug to most of its PTSD patients. Now there are people on this list who are going try to talk you into the Scientologist cure of St. Johns Wort and magnesium. These people are evil and their words are direct from the devil.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Anyone here take it - know how it works with meditation. Is it good? Worth pursuing if one is actually sort of depressed? Supposedly at least 40% of New Orleaneans have PTSD. Many others just naturally depressed, myself due to crappy job market. Life prospects. Sidha midlife crisis includes feeling stupid for sitting dreaming of hovering for countless hours and feeling bitter at such a failure. (That was a joke Haha) You know I used to hate my employers. I thought they were all evil bastards, but that was before Katrina and a bunch of newbies showed up with bullshit schemes like profit sharing and so on instead of just paying a person. People who have no freaking clue how to set up a kitchen, write a menu, create schedules, treat people. Fuck I hate cooking in New Orleans. Somedays I wish I could crash my car at 150 mph and go out in a flaming ball of wreckage. But death is an illusion, so whats the point? That'll cheer you up. Why don't you pack up and get in a sailboat and sail to Hawaii? OffWorld If you hate cooking in New Orleans, then why are you doing it. I don't hate cooking in New Orleans. OffWorld
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Robert babajii...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: If you hate cooking in New Orleans, then why are you doing it. If New Orleans is a pit, why not move somewhere else? We have this thing called free will... Please don't abuse it to crash... That would be truely sad, and a waste. You have much to add to this poor world...be happy, however you can, to raise your vibration, Don't believe those suicidal whispers, they are not from your higher power, but rather from the voices of hopelessness. R.G. Getting professional help in the form of psychotropic drugs sounds like a much better idea than moving. Kirk has before told us why he chose NO, why he chose cooking and he used to like it, although he seemed to be compelled to do self-destructive things to get himself fired from jobs. Making sure he's got his head together and also not suffering from PTSD is a whole lot better than running away from the problem. Maybe NO isn't the place for Kirk, maybe cooking is not really dharmic for Kirk. But the kinds of things he's been reporting over the years makes it look like getting his head settled first where he is then re-evaluating the situation looks like a better course of action. If Kirk doesn't have good insurance he can get very good care and medicine using a little ingenuity in getting the care and having the meds paid for.
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:25 PM, I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com wrote: If Kirk doesn't have good insurance he can get very good care and medicine using a little ingenuity in getting the care and having the meds paid for. As a matter of fact, I'd be happy to foot the bill for care and meds for Kirk. I'd consider it part of my tithe.
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http://www.tibetanherbs.com/happinesssupport.html -very good,safe and vegetarian formulas also you can use Blissful Joy from MAPI 2x2 if you are depressed, and the aroma too is good if you can afford as well --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Anyone here take it - know how it works with meditation. Is it good? Worth pursuing if one is actually sort of depressed? Supposedly at least 40% of New Orleaneans have PTSD. Many others just naturally depressed, myself due to crappy job market. Life prospects. Sidha midlife crisis includes feeling stupid for sitting dreaming of hovering for countless hours and feeling bitter at such a failure. (That was a joke Haha) You know I used to hate my employers. I thought they were all evil bastards, but that was before Katrina and a bunch of newbies showed up with bullshit schemes like profit sharing and so on instead of just paying a person. People who have no freaking clue how to set up a kitchen, write a menu, create schedules, treat people. Fuck I hate cooking in New Orleans. Somedays I wish I could crash my car at 150 mph and go out in a flaming ball of wreckage. If the Causeway were clear I could pull off that speed then shoot off the lane divider and flip out like fireworks over Lake Pontchartrain. That would be cool. Uh, if I had a better car. Because life is so fucked. On that note did anyone hear we were 'nearly missed' yesterday by an asteroid that was within lunar orbit (meaning less than 100,000 miles away) that would have impacted with Earth as a hundred Hiroshimas. Onward Zoloft.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:43 PM, off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Anyone here take it - know how it works with meditation. Is it good? Worth pursuing if one is actually sort of depressed? Supposedly at least 40% of New Orleaneans have PTSD. Many others just naturally depressed, myself due to crappy job market. Life prospects. Sidha midlife crisis includes feeling stupid for sitting dreaming of hovering for countless hours and feeling bitter at such a failure. (That was a joke Haha) You know I used to hate my employers. Your best bet would be to see a psychopharmacologist, a psychiatrist who specializes in the prescribing of psychotropic drugs. There are so many psychotropic drugs on the market, each with its own treatment and side effect profile that you would want to have something prescribed by someone who's got years of experience in watching the results of these drugs dozens of times a day. That's not something your normal GP or even psychiatrist would get in their day to day practice. How to find a psychopharacologist? Call up psychiatrists and ask them if they are a psychopharmacologist. Even a psychopharmacologist would be trying a variety of different drugs on you until reaching a favorable result versus side effect solution. If you go to see such a specialist, you might mention the latest results on propanadol, a high blood pressure drug which works by blocking certain nerve transmissions. In low doses it's proven to be very powerful in dealing with PTSD. The VA, which despite all the negative press, has the best outcomes per dollar spent, is starting to give the drug to most of its PTSD patients. Now there are people on this list who are going try to talk you into the Scientologist cure of St. Johns Wort and magnesium. These people are evil and their words are direct from the devil. Sounds more like he was saying that he is depressed, rather than anxious or suffering from PTSD. Beta blockers reduce the startle response so the theory is that the association between the memory of a bad experience and your physical response to the memory can be broken. So, may be good for PTSD. Beta-blockers like Propanadol have been around quite a while to deal with anxiety and panic, but now SSRIs are more often used. Kirk, SSRIs like Paxil and Zoloft can be very effective in helping with depression. They do take a while to work and some people might feel nauseated the first few days. Either way, talk to your doctor. Shaddai, nice offer to pay for treatment. Drugs are best used in conjunction with cognitive therapy to get out of unproductive thought patterns. Shaddai, I also agree with you on the VA. It has come to be a model for patient care and followup.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: http://www.tibetanherbs.com/happinesssupport.html -very good,safe and vegetarian formulas also you can use Blissful Joy from MAPI 2x2 if you are depressed, and the aroma too is good if you can afford as well Kirk has spent too much money on the TMO. Blissful Joy is going to be counter productive.
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Zoloft, like Prozac, is one of a class of drugs called SSRIs- Selective Seritonin Reuptake Inhibitors-- good for anxiety and depression. google SSRIs or go to wikipedia. unlike street drugs, they relieve symptoms without being psychoactive. a friend of mine described the effect as evening out her moods, like she had an inner dial set to 11, and needed it dialed back to 5. not a happy pill, or a mood deadener, just an equalizer. start out with the lowest dose prescribed by your doc-- 10 mg, then up to 20 and that should be enough. takes about a month to normalize the effect. also, imo, stop or drastically cut back on street drugs. meditators are too sensitive to these, which are very powerful psychoactively and can put you on an emotional roller coaster. good luck. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Anyone here take it - know how it works with meditation. Is it good? Worth pursuing if one is actually sort of depressed? Supposedly at least 40% of New Orleaneans have PTSD. Many others just naturally depressed, myself due to crappy job market. Life prospects. Sidha midlife crisis includes feeling stupid for sitting dreaming of hovering for countless hours and feeling bitter at such a failure. (That was a joke Haha) You know I used to hate my employers. I thought they were all evil bastards, but that was before Katrina and a bunch of newbies showed up with bullshit schemes like profit sharing and so on instead of just paying a person. People who have no freaking clue how to set up a kitchen, write a menu, create schedules, treat people. Fuck I hate cooking in New Orleans. Somedays I wish I could crash my car at 150 mph and go out in a flaming ball of wreckage. If the Causeway were clear I could pull off that speed then shoot off the lane divider and flip out like fireworks over Lake Pontchartrain. That would be cool. Uh, if I had a better car. Because life is so fucked. On that note did anyone hear we were 'nearly missed' yesterday by an asteroid that was within lunar orbit (meaning less than 100,000 miles away) that would have impacted with Earth as a hundred Hiroshimas. Onward Zoloft.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Anyone here take it - know how it works with meditation. I'd recommend a fruit diet for 3 weeks (allow very strong cravings of other thiings when it happens.) I'll bet you 1,000 dollars that you feel completely cured afterwards. Is it a bet? Any of these other bozos willing to bet $1,000 on the cure they are promoting to Kirk? Nah, I thought not. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Somedays I wish I could crash my car at 150 mph and go out in a flaming ball of wreckage. If the Causeway were clear I could pull off that speed then shoot off the lane divider and flip out like fireworks over Lake Pontchartrain. There is some very valuable and kind advice here for you to sort through. In the meantime, you must take extra care of yourself. Make sure you are eating at least 3 full meals, and ensure they are good and heavy meals. Please write back that you promise you will not hurt yourself, please.
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You may wish to explore Wellbutrin or its cheaper generic Bupropion. It helps maintain required levels of three neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine as well as, though less so, of seretonin. Doesn't have the sexual side effects of SSRIs. Depends on what is NTs are low in your system. Regarding doctors, in clinics and HMOs, they are very busy and may not be able to evaluate you individually much. I suggest that you do your own homework, deeply, and see what effects seem to target your issues. Go to doctors and ask them, with long list of questions on the features of each drug, and specific to your issues. If in your research you find one or two drugs that stand out, politely, but be very firm, to ask the doctor for what you feel is the right direction. Try one for 1-2 months, ask for another if its not working out. Be careful with SSRIs. For many, they significantly affect the ability to stand up and to make it home. You and your wife may not be pleased.
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As a matter of fact, I'd be happy to foot the bill for care and meds for Kirk. I'd consider it part of my tithe. Huh? That's generous. Thanks very much. Actually I have really good insurance so that's why I'm giving this a go. But wow, thanks again.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: You may wish to explore Wellbutrin or its cheaper generic Bupropion. It helps maintain required levels of three neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine as well as, though less so, of seretonin. Doesn't have the sexual side effects of SSRIs. Depends on what is NTs are low in your system. Regarding doctors, in clinics and HMOs, they are very busy and may not be able to evaluate you individually much. I suggest that you do your own homework, deeply, and see what effects seem to target your issues. Go to doctors and ask them, with long list of questions on the features of each drug, and specific to your issues. If in your research you find one or two drugs that stand out, politely, but be very firm, to ask the doctor for what you feel is the right direction. Try one for 1-2 months, ask for another if its not working out. Be careful with SSRIs. For many, they significantly affect the ability to stand up and to make it home. You and your wife may not be pleased. Good post. Yes, Wellbutrin can be worth looking at. And yes, SSRIs can have sexual side effects and weight gain for some. You also have to be weaned off of SSRIs. This is why he needs to talk to a doctor about the options and doing your homework ahead of time is helpful.
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Kirk kirk_bernha...@cox.net wrote: As a matter of fact, I'd be happy to foot the bill for care and meds for Kirk. I'd consider it part of my tithe. Huh? That's generous. Thanks very much. Actually I have really good insurance so that's why I'm giving this a go. But wow, thanks again. If you have good insurance, then call your insurance company up for a list of psychiatrists. Keep calling until you find one who is a psychopharmacologist. Explain your complains as you have here. You'll get a quick appointment, perhaps that afternoon. There are some meds which work within days although the full effects do take weeks to months. You're not going to discover by surfing the Intertubes that many psychopharmacologists are adding testosterone to the anti-depressant (Assuming that's what you need. Something for bipolar disorder might be more in order for you). Once you're feeling better about things, ask your doctor if your insurance company will pay for cognitive therapy. If so get it. If not, send me an email. Seriously. Once you are feeling good and have your priorities set, then re-evaluate your professional choice and choice of residence. More than likely you'll find that your original choices suit you just fine. With respect to being able to rise and shine. A real psychopharmacologist will of course ask about your situation and if you're not a monk will prescribe the right meds to prevent sexual side effects. I seem to collect doctors as friends. Meet a lot of them on TM courses. For some reason I seem to attract psychiatrists as friends. I made a bunch of phone calls to get the scoop on depression when you started to post things which indicated you were hurting. Please don't do the mindless meditation, Amrit, fruit fast. Call your insurance company tomorrow. You could be feeling a lot better about things within a few days. Seriously.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: As a matter of fact, I'd be happy to foot the bill for care and meds for Kirk. I'd consider it part of my tithe. Huh? That's generous. Thanks very much. Actually I have really good insurance so that's why I'm giving this a go. But wow, thanks again. * Somebody should save their money -- this is just a cruel hoax on the part of those wonderful folks at big pharma: http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/24.pdf
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Thanks for your concern min.pige. I will not harm myself. There was good advice here. Sorry I can't respond to all the posts but I only have something like 20 left for the week. And I have to save them for something really important like coming to Vaj's rescue. In general I don't care for drugs with adverse sexual side effects. This will be a determining factor in any treatment I receive. I have friends who take Prozac. One was noticeably less always making negative self deprecating comments after a very short time on it. However it seemed his moral compass went S without his usual self loathing. I just read that long work hours and job stress can lead to burnout and depression, which is sort of where I'm at. I can't get a job where I don't have to instantly work sixty hours a week for peanuts. That shit just can't last. I have reached professional burnout more times than I can count. I keep getting back up. But it keeps taking longer. I am getting tired though. It's getting harder. I can't move as fast. I am trying to work up the nerve to fake a resume for front of house manager and get out of the kitchen for awhile. Besides, I actually hate eating. Only the rarest food excites me, and I don't mean uncommon or expensive I just mean some rare few items. I have been into shrimp when I get cravings like shrimp, bacon, pineapple quesadillas, with habanero sauce or shrimp jalapeno cilantro pizza I really miss having MIU campus food available. Being a chef and cooking for oneself is antithetical. Thus I do not eat much at all. There was lots of good advice which I have saved to read again. I am thinking if the shrink sucks or the process turns me off then I will guitar myself to death. I may try for that anyway. I feel so stupid to have not been playing guitar all this time. As for any type of mental training I just simply have tried too hard for too much of my life to try to be a better person and at my age now I am relaxing all that bullshit because not the slightest whit of it ever worked when the shit came down. Sure if someone has a cherry job and all that maybe some herbal tea, a nice plug in aromatizer or a bean sprout collonic might be just the thing that was needed. Me, I need drugs. All bullshit aside, I need a drug right now which makes my brain not mind working sixty plus hours a week, so that when I do have some few moments off that I can then relax naturally, and I don't mean the spiritual unstressing relaxation which itself seems somehow stressing, but I mean just simply sitting with the wife and you know I would be able to chill. Thing is though I hate depressant drugs, well not entirely, sometimes they give me appetite, sometimes they get rid of tension headaches. Along with ones sex drive. It sucks what a person will give up and make do with for the hope of ten good minutes a week :O All BS fully aside, I need to be able to stay on my feet with a smile on my face and not get mad under fire, like when the boss is yelling and spittle is flying off his mouth and his eyes are rolling in their sockets and he starts fucking the entire kitchen up. Yeah, I need drugs. Take all the fucking meditation techniques on Earth and they're all bullshit at certain moments. Also other things cannot be underestimated. Like the feeling and smell of being at a biker rally in the Vieux Carre on NY's Eve when they all rev their bikes for ten minutes. And the closeness is strong with gas and loud and sawing and the vibrations loosen the muscles and make everyone stop what they're thinking and look up at the slice of stars. See I like those moments cause I get to hop out from the kitchen. This has been a self indulgent week for me here at FFLife so I'll draw it a bit closed. I learned alot. it was good. Thanks. PS Vaj I'll see if I like that song or end up listening to Ashes Divide. - Original Message - From: min.pige min.p...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: There is some very valuable and kind advice here for you to sort through. In the meantime, you must take extra care of yourself. Make sure you are eating at least 3 full meals, and ensure they are good and heavy meals. Not sure since cardiac issues in family almost better I don't eat - it would be nice though - I need an Indian chef living with me. Please write back that you promise you will not hurt yourself, please. -Thanks. We all die. There's simply no escape. That other side is very wide. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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I tried Wellbutrin for a couple weeks. Maybe not long enough for it to counteract the Percocets and pot and alcohol and tobacco. Oh you know back then when I did that stuff. When my hand was burned during Jazz fest and I was working blackening station at K-Pauls. My hand hurt like a you know what. Um, we'll see. My friends swear by Zoloft. I personally think Prozac sounds good maybe, well just because I have a soft spot for things which end in the word Hydrochloride. Think alkaloids. On that note I once abused a bunch of Lexapro, that is to say I took like five, and I puked that night from them and I could taste the chemical compsition and let's just say a bottle of that is never crossing my path again. The preternatural sweetnesss of the drug was itself rather indescribably awful. As far as meditation goes, there's no really meditation there anymore, so I'm not scared for doping up. However, I don't want to be less aware. I know some here think being on any dope and awareness are antithetical. But the God/dess feels differently. I look at it all as grace. If I am lucky to have grace maybe some pill will make me make better karma. Who knows from whence help springs. Since I can't stop writing I will straight up say I have seen death from an early age with my own eyes. Life is precious to me. Too precious. I am overly emotional knowing that any moment can be the last one. I also past fourty so I am now at the age when others will start dying on me, and frankly I just can't take that. I can't do it again any more. People, pets, my city, dying on me. I have had it. I want to research some chemical way to block some of that emotion because it's sort of paralizing at times. And I know some pains to come will be so bad I won't want to live through them. I am researching now for the future. I'm smart. I'm not waiting until I'm stark raving mad before I do something about it. In a similar but different vein, did anyone see the Selma Hayek scene from 'Across the Universe?' - Original Message - From: grate.swan no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft You may wish to explore Wellbutrin or its cheaper generic Bupropion. It helps maintain required levels of three neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine as well as, though less so, of seretonin. Doesn't have the sexual side effects of SSRIs. Depends on what is NTs are low in your system. Regarding doctors, in clinics and HMOs, they are very busy and may not be able to evaluate you individually much. I suggest that you do your own homework, deeply, and see what effects seem to target your issues. Go to doctors and ask them, with long list of questions on the features of each drug, and specific to your issues. If in your research you find one or two drugs that stand out, politely, but be very firm, to ask the doctor for what you feel is the right direction. Try one for 1-2 months, ask for another if its not working out. Be careful with SSRIs. For many, they significantly affect the ability to stand up and to make it home. You and your wife may not be pleased. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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- Original Message - From: I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zoloft I seem to collect doctors as friends. Meet a lot of them on TM courses. For some reason I seem to attract psychiatrists as friends. I made a bunch of phone calls to get the scoop on depression when you started to post things which indicated you were hurting. Please don't do the mindless meditation, Amrit, fruit fast. Call your insurance company tomorrow. You could be feeling a lot better about things within a few days. Seriously. ---Well, I have an appt. This week. This is why I am asking about this stuff. I had to wait a month for an appointment. Doctor shortage I am sure here.
