Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
On 3/26/2014 7:09 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Here is a mantra you can use Mantras found in books or online are not true bija mantras. Bija mantras by definition are given in an initiation. Lists of bija mantras found on the internet are so much non-sense gibberish unless you receive the esoteric instructions from a qualified guru. Maybe it's time to review what we know. Definition of bija mantra: A morpheme or quasi morpheme, or a phoneme, or quasi phoneme, or a series of mixed morphemes, phoneme, qausi morphemes, or quasi phoneme, arranged in traditional patterns, which are imparted by one guru to one chela in the course of diksha.
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Steve, you got me chuckling here first thing in the morning. I think you nailed not only the Indian accent but also some of the phraseology used by people from India. Not to mention the gift that they generally have, the ability to not be offended. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:50 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Scene: Hindu Temple Somewhere in the US Michael Jackson at the front door looking in, seeing the Hindu Priest: MJ: Hey Hindu Philosopher, Whats Up? Hindu Priest: (in sing song cadence) I dount knoow who you are talking tooo. Are yuu talkingg tooo me? MJ: Yea I'm talking to you. (then looking over at the Shiva lingam) How's that Philosopher's Stone doing? HP: ( Head moving left to right) Duu yuu mean our Holy Shiva Lingam MJ: Yea the Philosopher's Stone HP: Eeet is duing fine, thank you MJ: When do the philosophy students come? HP: Duu yuu mean the congregation? MJ: (then getting ready to bolt out) Yes, I was told that Hinduism is a Philosophy and not a religion HP: That ees fine. If yu are more comfortable calling it a pheelosophee, then that is alright. Noo problem there MJ walks back to his car shaking his head. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word
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It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping! Michael, Hinduism is far, far too complex and elaborate to insist that it's either one or the other, a religion or a philosophy. It has elements of both. Rather than just screeching at people like a fundamentalist preacher, why don't you ask them why they say it's a philosophy? Who knows, you might learn something. Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation.
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Yes, I did Lol on that! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping! Michael, Hinduism is far, far too complex and elaborate to insist that it's either one or the other, a religion or a philosophy. It has elements of both. Rather than just screeching at people like a fundamentalist preacher, why don't you ask them why they say it's a philosophy? Who knows, you might learn something. Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation.
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you are looking in the mirror as you say that - I know exactly what I am talking about. I don't know what affiliation you and noozguru have had with the TMO but you are displaying the exact same kind of hubris and arrogance the TMO has displayed for nearly 60 years. Oh, I know better than everyone else about the entire world, including the religion of a billion people. I know it better than they do cause of my specialized knowledge from me oh so very special guru. Stay arrogant, as is our tradition. And instead of reviling what I have proposed, take it seriously. Really, go to a Hindu temple just before their worship service and tell them you are there to explain to them how their religion is not a religion. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:48 AM That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM
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go talk to the actual devout practicing Hindus about it and see what they say. I am not talking about people like Ravi who said he had in essence left the religion behind, I am talking about people like his mother and grandmother who insist he go to temple because they really believe he needs the blessings of the gods. It is the height of arrogance to tell others what their religion is. On Wed, 3/26/14, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 12:32 PM It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping! Michael, Hinduism is far, far too complex and elaborate to insist that it's either one or the other, a religion or a philosophy. It has elements of both. Rather than just screeching at people like a fundamentalist preacher, why don't you ask them why they say it's a philosophy? Who knows, you might learn something. Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation.
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My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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emptybill, yikes! I need a new mantra! I *accidently* looked up Leopold, etc. since I already knew duh duh and here's what I got. Meanings! * Agehananda Bharati (1923–1992), Hindu monk and Sanskritist, born under the name Leopold Fischer * Leopold Heinrich Fischer (1817–1866), German zoologist and mineralogist * Leo Fischer, sports editorUnless...mayhaps one of these guys likes turmeric on eggs?? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:09 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Here is a mantra you can use with or without Turmeric on your eggs - Leo-pold ... Leo-pold For your advanced technique you add Phisher ... Phisher When you become very advanced you can add Duh, Duh You'llbe claiming lighten-mint in no-time.
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Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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Share, never mind a mantra. Just focus on this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSmuODeW1fE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSmuODeW1fE ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : emptybill, yikes! I need a new mantra! I *accidently* looked up Leopold, etc. since I already knew duh duh and here's what I got. Meanings! Agehananda Bharati http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agehananda_Bharati (1923–1992), Hindu monk and Sanskritist, born under the name Leopold Fischer Leopold Heinrich Fischer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Heinrich_Fischer (1817–1866), German zoologist and mineralogist Leo Fischer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Fischer, sports editorUnless...mayhaps one of these guys likes turmeric on eggs?? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:09 AM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: Here is a mantra you can use with or without Turmeric on your eggs - Leo-pold ... Leo-pold For your advanced technique you add Phisher ... Phisher When you become very advanced you can add Duh, Duh You'll be claiming lighten-mint in no-time.
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salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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On 3/26/2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. So, you believe Barry when he claimed to have witnessed Rama levitate hundreds of times. Unbelievable! And, you want to talk about science? Go figure.
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Michael: Do you not understand the phrase elements of both? Try to engage here with what people are telling you. Otherwise you sound like the most rigid fundamentalist True Believer. This issue isn't cut-and-dried, yes/no, black/white; it's complicated. And it isn't only a TM issue by any means, as Bhairitu just pointed out. True Believers tend to believe in Absolutist terms (either l00% true or 100% false) and they can't tolerate situations in which: a. the truth is unknown; b. the truth is midway between extremes; c. the truth is simply unknowable; or d. variants such as true some of the time, but at other times not true, or true for some people but not others. This sure seems like it describes you. go talk to the actual devout practicing Hindus about it and see what they say. I am not talking about people like Ravi who said he had in essence left the religion behind, I am talking about people like his mother and grandmother who insist he go to temple because they really believe he needs the blessings of the gods. It is the height of arrogance to tell others what their religion is. It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping! Michael, Hinduism is far, far too complex and elaborate to insist that it's either one or the other, a religion or a philosophy. It has elements of both. Rather than just screeching at people like a fundamentalist preacher, why don't you ask them why they say it's a philosophy? Who knows, you might learn something. Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation.
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Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower. Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title: Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike the brain, it is not made of meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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Well, Xeno, Ganesh looks pretty meaty too so there you are! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:30 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower. Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title: Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike the brain, it is not made of meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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On the second phase of my TTC they served lots of cauliflower. We had cauliflower pakoras (actually quite good), cauliflower spaghetti, etc, etc. By the time the course was over folks were sick of cauliflower. Wonder if many of them ever ate it again? :-D Regarding Ganesh, he is associated with wisdom. Hence Ganesh mantras like Om Gung Ganeshaya Namaha are powerful anti-kapha mantras which will help clear the head. On 03/26/2014 09:30 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower. Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title: Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike the brain, it is not made of meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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You aren't an authority on Hinduism, but you know for a fact that a billion Hindus agree with you? You aren't an authority on Hinduism, but you know exactly what you're talking about? Oopsie. Michael, you're really crashing and burning here, making it all too clear how closed your mind is to any ideas that aren't perfectly in accord with yours. You won't even open your mind far enough to find out why people are telling you something you're convinced isn't true. You've decided nobody here can possibly know any more than you do about the nature of Hinduism. Yet you say you aren't an authority on Hinduism--and you don't see the contradiction. You were seriously mistaken to claim the idea that Hinduism is a philosophy comes only from MMY. Is there anything else you could possibly, conceivably be mistaken about? You're smarter than you're making yourself look. You're stuck in some kind of blind spot that doesn't reflect well on you at all. You, noozgu and auth all get together, go to Hindu temple, tell them their religion is not a religion - then come here and yap. I am not the authority on Hinduism, ask a Hindu priest. 1 billion Hindus agree with me. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 1:22 PM Michael, Michael, Michael, are just completely blind. Here you are arguing, I am the authority, listen to me, and that is what you are accusing me of doing. I believe that fallacy is called, appeal to authority. Now someone just pointed out that there is a rather large spectrum of belief, but you are, as if, touching one part of the elephant and declaring it to be the final word. hooboy. Is a mirror handy? Oh, and thanks for the mandatory tie in to TM bashing. No post of yours would be complete without it. Love ya though. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are looking in the mirror as you say that - I know exactly what I am talking about. I don't know what affiliation you and noozguru have had with the TMO but you are displaying the exact same kind of hubris and arrogance the TMO has displayed for nearly 60 years. Oh, I know better than everyone else about the entire world, including the religion of a billion people. I know it better than they do cause of my specialized knowledge from me oh so very special guru. Stay arrogant, as is our tradition. And instead of reviling what I have proposed, take it seriously. Really, go to a Hindu temple just before their worship service and tell them you are there to explain to them how their religion is not a religion. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:48 AM That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something.
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On 3/26/2014 7:09 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Here is a mantra you can use with or without Turmeric on your eggs - Leo-pold ... Leo-pold For your advanced technique you add Phisher ... Phisher When you become very advanced you can add Duh, Duh You'llbe claiming lighten-mint in no-time. So, you don't speak any Tibetan, Rampa. 'Fictitious Tibet: The Origin and Persistence of Rampaism' by Agehananda Bharati http://aryasangha.org/rampaism1.htm
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Ha, noozguru, at least it wasn't millet morning, noon and night! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:56 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On the second phase of my TTC they served lots of cauliflower. We had cauliflower pakoras (actually quite good), cauliflower spaghetti, etc, etc. By the time the course was over folks were sick of cauliflower. Wonder if many of them ever ate it again? :-D Regarding Ganesh, he is associated with wisdom. Hence Ganesh mantras like Om Gung Ganeshaya Namaha are powerful anti-kapha mantras which will help clear the head. On 03/26/2014 09:30 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower. Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title: Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike the brain, it is not made of meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
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I just didn't think the elephant/brain was a very convincing idea but it was the best in the book which is why everyone uses it as the first example, I don't think much of King Tony's ideas at all. If I'm going to read a book on human physiology I'll get one that's full of fascinating facts about the brain and what it does, there are tons of those. Wild speculation about Indian literature leaves me cold! Would depend what you mean by vibration and resonance I suppose. Things vibrate for sure but is there an actual connection between things in my brain and a poem someone wrote 1500 years ago? I like my science empirical you see and the claim that the universe is fundamentally subjective or made out of consciousness makes no sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know
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Okey, dokey salyavin, but you were the one who was wondering about Ganesh. Go figure! Why wouldn't there be a connection between your brain and an old poem?! Do you only get something from contemporary poets? Nothing from Shakespeare either? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:55 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I just didn't think the elephant/brain was a very convincing idea but it was the best in the book which is why everyone uses it as the first example, I don't think much of King Tony's ideas at all. If I'm going to read a book on human physiology I'll get one that's full of fascinating facts about the brain and what it does, there are tons of those. Wild speculation about Indian literature leaves me cold! Would depend what you mean by vibration and resonance I suppose. Things vibrate for sure but is there an actual connection between things in my brain and a poem someone wrote 1500 years ago? I like my science empirical you see and the claim that the universe is fundamentally subjective or made out of consciousness makes no sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of
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On 3/25/2014 10:48 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. Or if that fails, use some human tragedy in order to prove that TM is the cause of all out problems and then blame some poor Hindu pundit boys from India for not preventing it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple
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On 3/25/2014 10:30 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. Sometimes this happens when someone get fired from their job and kicked off the campus, so they don't want to talk about why they are so disgruntled. It's probably normal to be upset when that happens, but it is strange for someone to be that upset after twenty years. You'd think they would get over it or go for therapy with a trained social worker like John Knapp. Go figure.
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On 3/25/2014 9:36 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I believe in the concept of enlightenment. The belief in the enlightenment tradition means that you believe in the *perfectibility* of mankind. The doctrine was first advanced by Buddha and later by Rousseau and others, that people are capable of achieving perfection on earth through natural means, without the grace of God.
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Actually, I don't think it was me wondering about Ganesh in the first place! I love Shakespeare actually and a lot of Modern stuff. I'm a big fan of Betjeman, archetypal Englishman you see. I just don't think we are talking about the same thing when you say connection King Tony's idea is that Indian vedic poems are fundamental to the brain and body, not just present but giving rise to them. I don't get it, something to do with rishi devata and chandas no doubt, but it's all gobbledygook to me. Here's a jolly little number about spring for you: John Betjeman - Loneliness The last year's leaves are on the beech: The twigs are black; the cold is dry; To deeps beyond the deepest reach The Easter bells enlarge the sky. O ordered metal clatter-clang! Is yours the song the angels sang? You fill my heart with joy and grief - Belief! Belief! And unbelief... And, though you tell me I shall die, You say not how or when or why. Indifferent the finches sing, Unheeding roll the lorries past: What misery will this year bring Now spring is in the air at last? For, sure as blackthorn bursts to snow, Cancer in some of us will grow, The tasteful crematorium door Shuts out for some the furnace roar; But church-bells open on the blast Our loneliness, so long and vast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Okey, dokey salyavin, but you were the one who was wondering about Ganesh. Go figure! Why wouldn't there be a connection between your brain and an old poem?! Do you only get something from contemporary poets? Nothing from Shakespeare either? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:55 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I just didn't think the elephant/brain was a very convincing idea but it was the best in the book which is why everyone uses it as the first example, I don't think much of King Tony's ideas at all. If I'm going to read a book on human physiology I'll get one that's full of fascinating facts about the brain and what it does, there are tons of those. Wild speculation about Indian literature leaves me cold! Would depend what you mean by vibration and resonance I suppose. Things vibrate for sure but is there an actual connection between things in my brain and a poem someone wrote 1500 years ago? I like my science empirical you see and the claim that the universe is fundamentally subjective or made out of consciousness makes no sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum,
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Ah, salyavin, we have a crematorium theme going... The Ganesh comment I think was made as a joke. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:45 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Actually, I don't think it was me wondering about Ganesh in the first place! I love Shakespeare actually and a lot of Modern stuff. I'm a big fan of Betjeman, archetypal Englishman you see. I just don't think we are talking about the same thing when you say connection King Tony's idea is that Indian vedic poems are fundamental to the brain and body, not just present but giving rise to them. I don't get it, something to do with rishi devata and chandas no doubt, but it's all gobbledygook to me. Here's a jolly little number about spring for you: John Betjeman - Loneliness The last year's leaves are on the beech: The twigs are black; the cold is dry; To deeps beyond the deepest reach The Easter bells enlarge the sky. O ordered metal clatter-clang! Is yours the song the angels sang? You fill my heart with joy and grief - Belief! Belief! And unbelief... And, though you tell me I shall die, You say not how or when or why. Indifferent the finches sing, Unheeding roll the lorries past: What misery will this year bring Now spring is in the air at last? For, sure as blackthorn bursts to snow, Cancer in some of us will grow, The tasteful crematorium door Shuts out for some the furnace roar; But church-bells open on the blast Our loneliness, so long and vast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Okey, dokey salyavin, but you were the one who was wondering about Ganesh. Go figure! Why wouldn't there be a connection between your brain and an old poem?! Do you only get something from contemporary poets? Nothing from Shakespeare either? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:55 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I just didn't think the elephant/brain was a very convincing idea but it was the best in the book which is why everyone uses it as the first example, I don't think much of King Tony's ideas at all. If I'm going to read a book on human physiology I'll get one that's full of fascinating facts about the brain and what it does, there are tons of those. Wild speculation about Indian literature leaves me cold! Would depend what you mean by vibration and resonance I suppose. Things vibrate for sure but is there an actual connection between things in my brain and a poem someone wrote 1500 years ago? I like my science empirical you see and the claim that the universe is fundamentally subjective or made out of consciousness makes no sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me
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On 3/25/2014 7:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Ever been to India, Michael? There is a nice small Hindu Temple in Columbia, SC.
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On 3/25/2014 6:37 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Fly to India, choose any large city, go to the area where the Hindus eat their lunches, stand up on a soapbox and say loudly Hinduism is not a religion, it is a philosophy! MJ - I think J. Krishnamurti did this already to rather large audiences. Many of his talks and discussions have been published. His last public talk was in Madras, India, in January 1986, a month before his death at his home in Ojai, California. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti
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Thus Ann proclaimeth from on high. Which is the third grade, I guess: ...It certainly is a refreshing change from the schoolyard drivel and second grade insults being hurled back and forth on this site lately. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 8:46 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. Their fundamental claim is that a mantra is the name of a Hindu god. The claim is that a mantra, by definition, encapsulates a method for worshiping a Hindu god but that this fact is withheld from practitioners. Within the domain of this argument, these claimants will often quote some text from a Hindu Tantra. These quotes are passages usually assigning a particular deity to a particular mantra and sometimes even assigning a set of deities to each of the Sanskrit letters composing the written forms of the mantra’s sound. This textual assignment is often done quite haphazardly but occasionally is done in the Vedic format of rishi-deva-chhanda. Along with the quoted Tantric text is sometimes a quoted statement by MMY, declaring that a mantra is a sound whose effect is known. This argument quotes the TMO claim that a mantra is used in TM for the beneficial effects it produces in causing the spontaneous refinement of perception. This explanation is then paraded as an example of shameful exploitation of Western ignorance of the Hindu foundation of TM and of any other Indian meditation that does not confess itself as a form of Hindu devotionalism. This devotionalist criticism is further paraded around by pointing to various Indian swamis and cross-eyed yogis who make these claims and arguments themselves. Here are some considerations about these claims: SBS taught in India. MMY began teaching in India before coming to the West. They both taught within the context of the Indian Hindu cultural model. Although they taught in India, where there are many Muslims, they did not present their teaching within a Muslim cultural model. Although Buddhism is from India and many Indians consider Buddha as one of their own, neither SBS nor MMY taught within a Buddhist cultural model. Rather, they taught within the cultural context of their listeners. After coming to the West, MMY continued speaking and teaching within the Indian cultural model - for a while. It was the teaching model established by Vivekananda and Paramahansa Yogananda – partly religious, partly philosophical and partly yogic. However, the cultural context of this form of teachings was the 19th and 20th century paradigm of Western Modernity. When MMY realized the limitations brought by this model and the limitations of religious language here in the West he took a left turn. That divergence left some of his teachers behind - Charlie Lutts being an example. This is one reason that pointing to early religious language by MMY or SBS is an inaccurate over-simplification. As far as the “it is all a deceit” claimants, the two groups that are the most antagonist and strident are the materialists and the religionists. Materialists claim mantras are the mumbo formulas of hindoo gods and that the concept of gods/god is a false idea propounded by power brokers to enslave the masses. This is a truncated Marxist view popular among the half-educated. Contrary to this, the fundamentalist religions claim that mantras are secret demonic traps devised to enslave us to hindoo devils. This is the view of true-believing adherents of the Abrahamic religions – Jews, Christians and Muslims. This is not some fundamentalist diatribe from TV evangelicals. This was the original view of Christians from the second century C.E. forward and was used as an ideological propellant for killing polytheists after Constantine’s ascent to Roman power. What is obvious is that both groups are unable to rationally consider the facts because they are ideologues entrenched in a priori conclusions. One example of this is a clear demarcation about the difference between yoga and religion. Materialists dismiss such an idea because yoga historically emerged within in a Hindu cultural context. Semitic monotheists condemn this idea for the same reason. If we consider the role of yoga, it is apparent that most meditating Westerners are functionally ignorant about the nature, range, depth and complexity of yoga lineages - whether Vedic, Hindu, Buddhist or Jain. Most of them do not know the difference between Vedic, Puranic and Tantric lineages of practice. They also do not understand how these three streams developed and then intertwined into Hindu temple rites. They don't know vidhi from vedi.* (*vidhi is a specific method of puja. Vedi is the altar used in yajña. ) Even more surprising, most swamis and imported yogis are not Pandits, Indologists, or Sanskritists.
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it is a very nicely written post unfortunately incorrect - M lied about the mantras and their use along with a million other things. That's reality. On Tue, 3/25/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 1:46 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. Their fundamental claim is that a mantra is the name of a Hindu god. The claim is that a mantra, by definition, encapsulates a method for worshiping a Hindu god but that this fact is withheld from practitioners. Within the domain of this argument, these claimants will often quote some text from a Hindu Tantra. These quotes are passages usually assigning a particular deity to a particular mantra and sometimes even assigning a set of deities to each of the Sanskrit letters composing the written forms of the mantra’s sound. This textual assignment is often done quite haphazardly but occasionally is done in the Vedic format of rishi-deva-chhanda.Along with the quoted Tantric text is sometimes a quoted statement by MMY, declaring that a mantra is a sound whose effect is known. This argument quotes the TMO claim that a mantra is used in TM for the beneficial effects it produces in causing the spontaneous refinement of perception. This explanation is then paraded as an example of shameful exploitation of Western ignorance of the Hindu foundation of TM and of any other Indian meditation that does not confess itself as a form of Hindu devotionalism. This devotionalist criticism is further paraded around by pointing to various Indian swamis and cross-eyed yogis who make these claims and arguments themselves.Here are some considerations about these claims:SBS taught in India. MMY began teaching in India before coming to the West. They both taught within the context of the Indian Hindu cultural model. Although they taught in India, where there are many Muslims, they did not present their teaching within a Muslim cultural model. Although Buddhism is from India and many Indians consider Buddha as one of their own, neither SBS nor MMY taught within a Buddhist cultural model. Rather, they taught within the cultural context of their listeners.After coming to the West, MMY continued speaking and teaching within the Indian cultural model - for a while. It was the teaching model established by Vivekananda and Paramahansa Yogananda – partly religious, partly philosophical and partly yogic. However, the cultural context of this form of teachings was the 19th and 20th century paradigm of Western Modernity. When MMY realized the limitations brought by this model and the limitations of religious language here in the West he took a left turn. That divergence left some of his teachers behind - Charlie Lutts being an example.This is one reason that pointing to early religious language by MMY or SBS is an inaccurate over-simplification. As far as the “it is all a deceit” claimants, the two groups that are the most antagonist and strident are the materialists and the religionists. Materialists claim mantras are the mumbo formulas of hindoo gods and that the concept of gods/god is a false idea propounded by power brokers to enslave the masses. This is a truncated Marxist view popular among the half-educated.Contrary to this, the fundamentalist religions claim that mantras are secret demonic traps devised to enslave us to hindoo devils. This is the view of true-believing adherents of the Abrahamic religions – Jews, Christians and Muslims. This is not some fundamentalist diatribe from TV evangelicals. This was the original view of Christians from the second century C.E. forward and was used as an ideological propellant for killing polytheists after Constantine’s ascent to Roman power. What is obvious is that both groups are unable to rationally consider the facts because they are ideologues entrenched in a priori conclusions. One example of this is a clear demarcation about the difference between yoga and religion. Materialists dismiss such an idea because yoga historically emerged within in a Hindu cultural context. Semitic monotheists condemn this idea for the same reason. If we consider the role of yoga, it is apparent that most meditating Westerners are functionally ignorant about the nature, range, depth and complexity of yoga lineages - whether Vedic, Hindu, Buddhist or Jain. Most of them do not know the difference between Vedic, Puranic and Tantric lineages of practice. They also do
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Two things: Are you joking about Nader saying the Ramayana battles are being fought in our bodies??? OR is that what he really says? The reason for the mantra debate is some just can't accept they were hoodwinked by marshy no matter how good the practice felt - for me self, its another example of his deceit. On Tue, 3/25/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 3:07 PM No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
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So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could /possibly/ make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, /obviously /they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
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Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's the
mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th advanced technique. I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said what is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to
decipher the meaning of all of them.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Two things: Are you joking about Nader saying the Ramayana battles are being fought in our bodies??? OR is that what he really says? That's what he said at a recent lecture in London, it's from his new book Ramayana in human physiology I don't understand any of it, from his first book of discoveries onwards. The whole idea makes my skin crawl with discomfort as it's probably the least likely explanation of anything in the natural world I have yet come across. Completely bonkers in fact, but once you accept it it does open the way to justifying everything else in the catalogue, which is handy.. ...but they probably do actually believe it - I know loads of people who think he's great. Go figure, I can't. The reason for the mantra debate is some just can't accept they were hoodwinked by marshy no matter how good the practice felt - for me self, its another example of his deceit. On Tue, 3/25/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 3:07 PM
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Isn't it fascinating how the same old arguments come up, followed by the same
old justifications and apologetics, over and over and over and over and over
and over?
And the people running the cult apologetics number seem to be completely
unaware that they have *patterns* that define their behavior, patterns that
allow anyone who has been watching for some time to predict those patterns in
advance. For example, knowing that the pandit riots would cause the TBs here
to freak out and thus jumpstart another round of their completely predictable
behaviors, I described them *beforehand* in the following post:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377151
How many of the posts made by Judy, Jim, and Ann in the time since fall into
one or more of the six categories I defined in that post? How many posts have
any of them made that *don't* fall into these six categories?
From: geezerfr...@yahoo.com geezerfr...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:20 PM
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stupidity
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's the
mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th advanced technique. I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said what is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to decipher
the meaning of all of them.
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you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Well said, thank you and end of debate.
On Tue, 3/25/14, geezerfr...@yahoo.com geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:20 PM
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today
and low and behold, it's the mantra meaning
debate!
I've posted this before some years back but
for me it was settled once and for all back in 1976 when I
received my 4th advanced technique. I was
waiting in line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a
friend of mine, said ask him the meaning, he'll
tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it
was now Sri Aing Namah Namah) and I quietly said what
is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I
bow down to you again and again. {pause} Do not
dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED
the idea of worshipping the goddess Saraswati. It was only
much later that I began to think about the fact that I had
been telling all of my students that they were meaningless
sounds.Many years later, when the mantra tables
were revealed, it was easy to decipher the meaning of all of
them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Actually, nobody freaked out over the pandit riot (singular, not plural,
BTW) except the TM critics. Barry in particular completely lost his cool and is
still fulminating hysterically while the rest of us have moved on to other
topics. What we're seeing here is Barry's pattern. Old Predictable, we call
him.
Isn't it fascinating how the same old arguments come up, followed by the same
old justifications and apologetics, over and over and over and over and over
and over?
And the people running the cult apologetics number seem to be completely
unaware that they have *patterns* that define their behavior, patterns that
allow anyone who has been watching for some time to predict those patterns in
advance. For example, knowing that the pandit riots would cause the TBs here
to freak out and thus jumpstart another round of their completely predictable
behaviors, I described them *beforehand* in the following post:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377151
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377151
How many of the posts made by Judy, Jim, and Ann in the time since fall into
one or more of the six categories I defined in that post? How many posts have
any of them made that *don't* fall into these six categories?
From: geezerfreak@... geezerfreak@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's
the mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th advanced technique. I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said what is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to
decipher the meaning of all of them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
I didn't get a buzz from the puja, I enjoyed the chanting and the exotic unexpectedness of it though and getting the mantra at the end was clever, it worked straight away too. I was hooked from day one - regardless of the etymology of the terms ;-) I think you'll have a job getting the aspects of natural law excuse past the fundies though, a blue elephant worshipped by Hindu's is still a blue elephant no matter what you call it ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Yep, they may have meaning to some but in this practice don't use that and they
are not used that way. Evidently from the Master, “don't dwell on it” as in
don't use it that way. Therefore TM is not religious. Yes, end of argument,
-Buck
mjackson74 writes,
Well said, thank you and end of debate.
geezerfreak mailto:geezerfreak@... writes,
Do not
dwell.
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:20 PM
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today
and low and behold, it's the mantra meaning
debate!
I've posted this before some years back but
for me it was settled once and for all back in 1976 when I
received my 4th advanced technique. I was
waiting in line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a
friend of mine, said ask him the meaning, he'll
tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it
was now Sri Aing Namah Namah) and I quietly said what
is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I
bow down to you again and again. {pause} Do not
dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED
the idea of worshipping the goddess Saraswati. It was only
much later that I began to think about the fact that I had
been telling all of my students that they were meaningless
sounds.Many years later, when the mantra tables
were revealed, it was easy to decipher the meaning of all of
them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Well said, thank you and end of debate.
You must be new here
On Tue, 3/25/14, geezerfreak@... mailto:geezerfreak@... geezerfreak@...
mailto:geezerfreak@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:20 PM
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today
and low and behold, it's the mantra meaning
debate!
I've posted this before some years back but
for me it was settled once and for all back in 1976 when I
received my 4th advanced technique. I was
waiting in line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a
friend of mine, said ask him the meaning, he'll
tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it
was now Sri Aing Namah Namah) and I quietly said what
is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I
bow down to you again and again. {pause} Do not
dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED
the idea of worshipping the goddess Saraswati. It was only
much later that I began to think about the fact that I had
been telling all of my students that they were meaningless
sounds.Many years later, when the mantra tables
were revealed, it was easy to decipher the meaning of all of
them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Gotta agree with Salyavin here -- no buzz whatsoever. I instructed hundreds of people, and thus did hundreds of pujas, and never felt a damned thing. I'm convinced that the buzz thing is mood-making and the placebo effect. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity I didn't get a buzz from the puja, I enjoyed the chanting and the exotic unexpectedness of it though and getting the mantra at the end was clever, it worked straight away too. I was hooked from day one - regardless of the etymology of the terms ;-) I think you'll have a job getting the aspects of natural law excuse past the fundies though, a blue elephant worshipped by Hindu's is still a blue elephant no matter what you call it ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Ok, salyavin, that got me laughing out loud, thanks...
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 12:19 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Well said, thank you and end of debate.
You must be new here
On Tue, 3/25/14, geezerfreak@... geezerfreak@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:20 PM
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today
and low and behold, it's the mantra meaning
debate!
I've posted this before some years back but
for me it was settled once and for all back in 1976 when I
received my 4th advanced technique. I was
waiting in line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a
friend of mine, said ask him the meaning, he'll
tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it
was now Sri Aing Namah Namah) and I quietly said what
is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I
bow down to you again and again. {pause} Do not
dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED
the idea of worshipping the goddess Saraswati. It was only
much later that I began to think about the fact that I had
been telling all of my students that they were meaningless
sounds.Many years later, when the mantra tables
were revealed, it was easy to decipher the meaning of all of
them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
What Maharishi told you, Geeze, was the association between the bija mantra and
Saraswati. The bija itself is still a semantically meaningless sound (unlike
the Sanskrit words that comprise the advanced techniques, which do have
semantic meanings).
FWIW, I've been on residence courses in which the teachers were asked directly
whether the mantras were the names of Hindu gods. In both cases the teacher
willingly explained that in Hinduism, the bija mantras were associated with
Hindu deities, whereas in TM we drew no such association but simply entertained
the bija as a meaningless sound.
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's the
mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th advanced technique. I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said what is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to
decipher the meaning of all of them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Well said, thank you and end of debate. You must be new here Hilarious. Especially coming just after Buck's classic apologetics reply to geezer's. :-) Yep, they may have meaning to some but in this practice don't use that and they are not used that way. Evidently from the Master, “don't dwell on it” as in don't use it that way. Therefore TM is not religious. Yes, end of argument, -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Point #4:
* Nitpick them into arguing with you. Any nitpick will do, but the best
is some kind of semantic nitpick about one or two words in something
they posted that doesn't really have anything to do with the criticism
you're trying to D-E-F-L-E-C-T. If you can get them -- or other posters
-- all involved in a meaningless nitpick side argument that has nothing
to do with the original criticism, they aren't involved in the
criticism. You've won.
From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
What Maharishi told you, Geeze, was the association between the bija mantra and
Saraswati. The bija itself is still a semantically meaningless sound (unlike
the Sanskrit words that comprise the advanced techniques, which do have
semantic meanings).
FWIW, I've been on residence courses in which the teachers were asked directly
whether the mantras were the names of Hindu gods. In both cases the teacher
willingly explained that in Hinduism, the bija mantras were associated with
Hindu deities, whereas in TM we drew no such association but simply entertained
the bija as a meaningless sound.
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's the
mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th advanced technique. I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said what is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to decipher
the meaning of all of them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Can't do much about those who wish to remain ignorant. On 03/25/2014 09:54 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Convincing the fundies is a useless cause. I'm not going waste my time on them. And a trip to India would open a lot of eyes since they are otherwise experiencing an elephant like a blind man. BTW, what does the blue elephant symbolize? ;-) On 03/25/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I didn't get a buzz from the puja, I enjoyed the chanting and the exotic unexpectedness of it though and getting the mantra at the end was clever, it worked straight away too. I was hooked from day one - regardless of the etymology of the terms ;-) I think you'll have a job getting the aspects of natural law excuse past the fundies though, a blue elephant worshipped by Hindu's is still a blue elephant no matter what you call it ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could /possibly/ make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, /obviously /they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
True Believers tend to believe in Absolutist terms (either l00% true or 100%
false) and they can't tolerate situations in which:
a. the truth is unknown
b. the truth is midway between extremes
c. simply unknowable
d. variants such as true some of the time, but at other times not true, or
true for some people but not others.
Barry is a True Believer according to this definition, and I'm not.
Point #4:
* Nitpick them into arguing with you. Any nitpick will do, but the best is some
kind of semantic nitpick about one or two words in something they posted that
doesn't really have anything to do with the criticism you're trying to
D-E-F-L-E-C-T. If you can get them -- or other posters -- all involved in a
meaningless nitpick side argument that has nothing to do with the original
criticism, they aren't involved in the criticism. You've won.
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stupidity
What Maharishi told you, Geeze, was the association between the bija mantra
and Saraswati. The bija itself is still a semantically meaningless sound
(unlike the Sanskrit words that comprise the advanced techniques, which do have
semantic meanings).
FWIW, I've been on residence courses in which the teachers were asked directly
whether the mantras were the names of Hindu gods. In both cases the teacher
willingly explained that in Hinduism, the bija mantras were associated with
Hindu deities, whereas in TM we drew no such association but simply entertained
the bija as a meaningless sound.
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's the
mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th advanced technique. I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you.
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said what is the meaning? MMY said Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell.
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to
decipher the meaning of all of them.
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Too bad you didn't get a buzz. I did many a time and it was not mood making. Of course I got a buzz as a 4 year contemplating infinity when I asked my mom how big was the universe. ;-) On 03/25/2014 10:20 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Gotta agree with Salyavin here -- no buzz whatsoever. I instructed hundreds of people, and thus did hundreds of pujas, and never felt a damned thing. I'm convinced that the buzz thing is mood-making and the placebo effect. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity I didn't get a buzz from the puja, I enjoyed the chanting and the exotic unexpectedness of it though and getting the mantra at the end was clever, it worked straight away too. I was hooked from day one - regardless of the etymology of the terms ;-) I think you'll have a job getting the aspects of natural law excuse past the fundies though, a blue elephant worshipped by Hindu's is still a blue elephant no matter what you call it ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could /possibly/ make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, /obviously /they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
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I like the story of the buzz at 4. My earliest recollection of getting a sense of wonder was when my Mum bought me a Dinosaur book. On the bottom of every page was part of a scale starting with the primordial soup at the world's beginning, and on every page millions of years would pass, page after page and all you see is bacteria which finally gives rise to cells and the the earliest complex lifeforms which turn into animals with backbones. On the last two pages you get dinosaurs then mammals and finally on the penultimate inch you get mankind and then a city. That concept of deep time blew my 8 year old mind, and still does. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Too bad you didn't get a buzz. I did many a time and it was not mood making. Of course I got a buzz as a 4 year contemplating infinity when I asked my mom how big was the universe. ;-) On 03/25/2014 10:20 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Gotta agree with Salyavin here -- no buzz whatsoever. I instructed hundreds of people, and thus did hundreds of pujas, and never felt a damned thing. I'm convinced that the buzz thing is mood-making and the placebo effect. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity I didn't get a buzz from the puja, I enjoyed the chanting and the exotic unexpectedness of it though and getting the mantra at the end was clever, it worked straight away too. I was hooked from day one - regardless of the etymology of the terms ;-) I think you'll have a job getting the aspects of natural law excuse past the fundies though, a blue elephant worshipped by Hindu's is still a blue elephant no matter what you call it ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived
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Point #5: Shaddap, Barry.:-)
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emptybill, I sprinkle a lot of tumeric on the scrambled eggs. Does that get any yogi points?! On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:58 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: And the mantra-devatâ for your scrambled egg sutra is something you got from some householder FFL yogi?... Or did you just cook it up?
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Turmeric, not tumeric. emptybill, I sprinkle a lot of tumeric on the scrambled eggs. Does that get any yogi points?! On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:58 PM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: And the mantra-devatâ for your scrambled egg sutra is something you got from some householder FFL yogi?... Or did you just cook it up?
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Thanks, Judy and how in the heck did I get in the habit of saying neuronal rather than neural pathways?! Very disconcerting... On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 3:46 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Turmeric, not tumeric. emptybill, I sprinkle a lot of tumeric on the scrambled eggs. Does that get any yogi points?! On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:58 PM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: And the mantra-devatâ for your scrambled egg sutra is something you got from some householder FFL yogi?... Or did you just cook it up?
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On 3/25/2014 1:03 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Too bad you didn't get a buzz. If the other Barry didn't get a single buzz in the twenty years or more that he worked for MMY and Rama, he must have really been wasting a lot of time and money - thousands of dollars and almost half his adult life. That doesn't indicate to me a very wise Uncle Tantra. Some people get a buzz just standing on a busy street corner in the afternoon. LoL! On 03/25/2014 10:20 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Gotta agree with Salyavin here -- no buzz whatsoever.
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Upon further reflection, I am honored to learn from one who knows more than a billion Hindus. Tell you what, let's test your theory and resolve. Fly to India, choose any large city, go to the area where the Hindus eat their lunches, stand up on a soapbox and say loudly Hinduism is not a religion, it is a philosophy! Hinduism is not a religion, it is a philosophy! repeat it over and over and loudly. Those of us on FFL will sent condolences to your widow. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 5:58 PM Can't do much about those who wish to remain ignorant. On 03/25/2014 09:54 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost
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Ever been to India, Michael? On 03/25/2014 04:37 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Upon further reflection, I am honored to learn from one who knows more than a billion Hindus. Tell you what, let's test your theory and resolve. Fly to India, choose any large city, go to the area where the Hindus eat their lunches, stand up on a soapbox and say loudly Hinduism is not a religion, it is a philosophy! Hinduism is not a religion, it is a philosophy! repeat it over and over and loudly. Those of us on FFL will sent condolences to your widow. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 5:58 PM Can't do much about those who wish to remain ignorant. On 03/25/2014 09:54 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
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On 3/25/2014 11:20 AM, geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to decipher the meaning of all of them. Sometimes it takes people a very long time to realize that yoga comes from the East - some people already knew that. It was probably sometime in the ninth grade that I read my first book about Tibet. Before I started TM, I was an SRF student under Yogananda. So, I guess it's possible that some people just didn't get that MMY was a yogi from India - but how they overlooked the bedsheet, the beard, the beads, and the long hair beats me. It should come as no surprise that MMY followed the Hindu faith. Go figure.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I like the story of the buzz at 4. My earliest recollection of getting a sense of wonder was when my Mum bought me a Dinosaur book. On the bottom of every page was part of a scale starting with the primordial soup at the world's beginning, and on every page millions of years would pass, page after page and all you see is bacteria which finally gives rise to cells and the the earliest complex lifeforms which turn into animals with backbones. On the last two pages you get dinosaurs then mammals and finally on the penultimate inch you get mankind and then a city. That concept of deep time blew my 8 year old mind, and still does. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Too bad you didn't get a buzz. I did many a time and it was not mood making. Of course I got a buzz as a 4 year contemplating infinity when I asked my mom how big was the universe. ;-) On 03/25/2014 10:20 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Gotta agree with Salyavin here -- no buzz whatsoever. I instructed hundreds of people, and thus did hundreds of pujas, and never felt a damned thing. I'm convinced that the buzz thing is mood-making and the placebo effect. The puja was the most interesting and deep of all of the experiences I had with TM. I am no mood maker, very far from it. But because you felt nothing during a puja you assert that anyone else who did is under some delusion, some mood making. Barry - the very center of the solar system around which all things revolve and depend upon.
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Look, you can choose to dismiss the concept because it sounds silly. But if you don't believe that has humans, we undergo tests of various kinds, then I think you may be missing something. Yes, I believe in the concept of enlightenment. I think it is something we consciously, or unconsciously strive towards in one life, or many lives. And for me, in my experience, (and certainly you can say I am deluding myself), I feel there are, and have been many sorts of tests. Tests of ego, pride, or greed, to name a few. And if someone wants to ascribe some cosmic attribute to it, it doesn't really bother me. YMMV. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Two things: Are you joking about Nader saying the Ramayana battles are being fought in our bodies??? OR is that what he really says? That's what he said at a recent lecture in London, it's from his new book Ramayana in human physiology I don't understand any of it, from his first book of discoveries onwards. The whole idea makes my skin crawl with discomfort as it's probably the least likely explanation of anything in the natural world I have yet come across. Completely bonkers in fact, but once you accept it it does open the way to justifying everything else in the catalogue, which is handy.. ...but they probably do actually believe it - I know loads of people who think he's great. Go figure, I can't. The reason for the mantra debate is some just can't accept they were hoodwinked by marshy no matter how good the practice felt - for me self, its another example of his deceit. On Tue, 3/25/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 3:07 PM
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You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure.
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Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has
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Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. On 03/25/2014 08:00 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantras. I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy
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Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the fact that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest discoveries of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu
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you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has
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That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with I so they put an H in front. Sort of of a joke. And Hinduism just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The invaders also thought the practices constituted a religion. And truly there are some Indians who practice it religiously. :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed
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Scene: Hindu Temple Somewhere in the US Michael Jackson at the front door looking in, seeing the Hindu Priest: MJ: Hey Hindu Philosopher, Whats Up? Hindu Priest: (in sing song cadence) I dount knoow who you are talking tooo. Are yuu talkingg tooo me? MJ: Yea I'm talking to you. (then looking over at the Shiva lingam) How's that Philosopher's Stone doing? HP: ( Head moving left to right) Duu yuu mean our Holy Shiva Lingam MJ: Yea the Philosopher's Stone HP: Eeet is duing fine, thank you MJ: When do the philosophy students come? HP: Duu yuu mean the congregation? MJ: (then getting ready to bolt out) Yes, I was told that Hinduism is a Philosophy and not a religion HP: That ees fine. If yu are more comfortable calling it a pheelosophee, then that is alright. Noo problem there MJ walks back to his car shaking his head. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which
