Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/21/06 4:50:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 8/21/06 12:14:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And unless you know exactly how the operation works you don't know that isn't true. They can start wiretapping *immediately*They can star getting a warrant first. That's in the FISA law. And as far as you know that is all to it?So, are you saying that there are Top Secret Parts of th FISA law? No. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/21/06 7:56:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Otherwise, why not say "Almost Nobody"?I could have said that, and I believe I have inother posts. But I started the sentence with"Nobody," and then I thought, Well, I don't knowabout Bhairitu; I don't want to attribute viewsto him that he does not hold. So I stuck in"maybe Bhairitu" as a qualifier, figuring he'dspeak up either way. And he did. Exactly. You bated Bhairitu. He had to come to his own defense and deny your implication. And if you didn't want to attribute views to him that he doesn't hold, you wouldn't have mentioned him by name in the first place. Also if your intention was never to imply Bhairitu held a certain view, I think I would feel somewhat "used" if I were Bhairitu for being nudged to have to clarify my own views or have others possiblythink otherwise because of what somebody else said. That, is baring false witness, a lie. But Judy don't get me wrong, I thought what you said was in jest and never took it seriously. Only your adamant denial caused me to dwell on it and look at your comment a little more critically. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/21/06 8:27:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And unless you know exactly how the operation works you don't know that isn't true. They can start wiretapping *immediately*They can star getting a warrant first. That's in the FISA law. And as far as you know that is all to it?So, are you saying that there are Top Secret Parts of th FISA law? No. I'll clarify my comment a little more. There could be top secret parts of the program it's self that need to be kept secret and out of the hands of the press in order to keep it effective. Remember when we had Osama's telephone number? Actually weknew he was using a satellite phone and we could easily listen in on his conversations. The New York times blew that for us by printing the story. What did Osama do? Through away the phone and learned not to use it or any other phones. The New York Times , Al Qaeda's counter intelligence program. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/21/06 8:54:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: attorney general has to approve an emergencyauthorization and be sure that he can make a goodcase for getting a warrant after the fact (within72 hours).Claiming that requirement *hampers* the institutionof a wiretap amounts to saying NSA wants to be ableto institute emergency wiretaps *without good reason*. And when *hot numbers* pourin when the so called chatter increases, it could be dozens if not hundreds of calls that need specific attention and some of those calls may not seem topan out the first time but give valuable information on the next call that would explain information from the first call. Building a case by attorneys to present to a federal judge when dozens or more calls are coming in at the same time over a period of days could be very distracting from the purpose of the program which is to figure out who or what is a threat and what is going down and could take days when it's not available. They call it "bureaucratic red tape" that does more harm than good. If the courtsdecide Bush doesn't have the authority to do what he is doing because of the unique nature of the situation, war on terrorism, no doubt the courts, at least the supreme court, will advise the legislatureas to how the law needs to be changedto eliminate the red tape and make the program work effectively. Until then , you'll just have to be paranoid. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/21/06 8:54:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Claiming that requirement *hampers* the institutionof a wiretap amounts to saying NSA wants to be ableto institute emergency wiretaps *without good reason*.Does that make you feel secure that nobody's privacyis going to be violated without good cause?Would you want President Hillary Clinton to havethat kind of leeway? No, not Hillary. However she destroyed her trustworthiness with the disappearance of about 500 FBI files on members of congress and others. That would be the only reason I would not trust her with the current NSA program. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/21/06 8:58:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The FISA judges are appointed by the chief justiceof the Supreme Court. Are you suggesting a highpercentage of the 65% don't trust the chief justiceto make good appointments?(The chief justice, of course, having been himselfnominated by the president of the United States.) I think more importantly a large percentage of people probably don't trust judges in generalwith their personal safety especially when it comes to matters of national security. All a judge would have to do is make one mistake that could prevent a case from being busted wide open or even an attorney presenting a case to the judge that didn't quite make his case good enough for that judge to issue the warrant and yet that call could have held key information based upon information learned at a later date. What is the saying, too many cooks spoil the dish? The NSA needs to do their jobs effectively. And it's not as if Bush or Karl Roveare down there listening to the conversations. Professionals of both partieswork there. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/06 9:56:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the average American and most of those polled probably really didn't understand the issue. That 65% might have a different opinion if brought up to speed on FISA. The Bushists did the same thing playing up the Social Security issue knowing that it could be easily obfuscated because of its complexity and they might be able to snow the average American. They weren't successful. And don't you think the Democratic party would have tweaked that poll by the Washington Post by emphasizing warrantless wiretaps in another poll after May 11, if they thought they could have moved those numbers against Bush? Of course they would! They haven't touched it yet because they are afraid to or if they have they have kept it secret. And why would they keep it a secret unless it didn't move the numbers the way they wanted them. The fact is the people feel safer with the program just as it is and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Everybody in that poll knew exactly what was meant in that poll because the topic had been hotly debated for so long and as I said if there was any confusion the DNC would have modified the questions later to include warrantless wiretaps of incoming calls from Al Qaeda suspects just in order to have the last word in public opinion. Americans like McDonalds food to but that doesn't mean it is good for them. Neither is warrantless wiretapping. Or maybe you want the government to install video cameras in your home so they can watch everything you ala 1984? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/06 9:56:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the average American and most of those polled probably really didn't understand the issue. That 65% might have a different opinion if brought up to speed on FISA. The Bushists did the same thing playing up the Social Security issue knowing that it could be easily obfuscated because of its complexity and they might be able to snow the average American. They weren't successful. And don't you think the Democratic party would have tweaked that poll by the Washington Post by emphasizing warrantless wiretaps in another poll after May 11, if they thought they could have moved those numbers against Bush? Of course they would! They haven't touched it yet because they are afraid to or if they have they have kept it secret. And why would they keep it a secret unless it didn't move the numbers the way they wanted them. The fact is the people feel safer with the program just as it is and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Everybody in that poll knew exactly what was meant in that poll because the topic had been hotly debated for so long and as I said if there was any confusion the DNC would have modified the questions later to include warrantless wiretaps of incoming calls from Al Qaeda suspects just in order to have the last word in public opinion. Americans like McDonalds food to but that doesn't mean it is good for them. Neither is warrantless wiretapping. Or maybe you want the government to install video cameras in your home so they can watch everything you ala 1984? Actually, that would be two-way vid-screens. ANd, if you're using a webcam that doesn'[t have a physical securty feature to physically block the camera, you already have one of those. I don't think it was two-way in 1984. At least it isn't portrayed that way in the 1950's BBC version and I don't remember what the 1980's version had (which I also want to ad to my DVD collection). If you want to see a spookier concept see the wiretapping center in A Scanner Darkly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:58:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, you think that a substantial number of Americans would respond in the negative to this question?Does the President have the right to conduct wiretaps in the war on terror as long as he follows the constitutionally valid laws and procedures set by Congress?Yes, no, not sure.What about to THIS question?SHOULD the President conduct wiretaps in pursuit of the War on Terror as long as he follows the constitutionally valid laws and procedures set by Congress?Yes, no, not sure. Presidents always have to follow the law. However the question is, is there any wiggle room in that law under extraordinary circumstances such as war. The presidential legal teams think there is. Remember Lincoln suspended Habius corpus, shut down the Maryland legislature and restricted free speech to some degree. FDR had people's mail censored and detained Japanese in internment camps. LBJ had mail censored coming from troops in Vietnam. And I'm certain there are many more examples of powers that presidents have been able to enact in times of war for national security. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 7:19:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Congress has set up a law requiring him to get a warrant after-the-fact. Are you saying that, in the day and age of instant communcations, the President doesn't have to follow the law because Lincoln didn't? No not at all. I'm saying if you read the law in question there sure seems to be a lot of wiggle room and if you bring in presidential war powers concerning national security that law may be obsolete. Bush is testing the law to see how the courts will rule. Notice while the lower court said it violated the constitution he doesn't have to stop because it is on appeal. Supreme court will make the final decision. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 7:20:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But if I didn't try to clarify my position, then the person calling me a liar would be perfectly justified in assuming I WAS lying. You, Barry and Shemp appear to: enjoy lying, or enjoy bating Judy, or both.Otherwise, you'd deal with her entirely differently. I have more than adequately clarified everything I have said. I have yet to lie to anybodyin this forum. I have posted things, rarely in jest or fasiciously but I have neverout and out lied or tried to deceive anybody in this forum. As forJudy, I have never tried to bate her or pick on her or insult her although we usually disagree on things when it comes to politics. In fact I rarely take a hostile tone towards anyone on FFL. The only person I recall ever doing that with is Offworld and lonely after I got a little tired of his personal insults. I dished it back in his face and he shutup quickly. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 7:19:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Spair, I had no problem answering your poll. Your poll as I read it only asked about warrentless wire taps in general. Not about issues of national security involving foreign terrorists calling people within the country. funny, didn't see you answer the poll.Obviously, you missed it. The post may have been in response to something Judy had said but it answered the same issue.So, go back to the thread I started called "New Poll" and answer the question. Ah Ok. your poll about Presidents obeying laws. I thought you were referring to the Democratic poll. Your own personal poll has just been answered in may last couple of posts. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/19/06 6:58:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, you think that a substantial number of Americans would respond in the negative to this question? Does the President have the right to conduct wiretaps in the war on terror as long as he follows the constitutionally valid laws and procedures set by Congress? Yes, no, not sure. What about to THIS question? SHOULD the President conduct wiretaps in pursuit of the War on Terror as long as he follows the constitutionally valid laws and procedures set by Congress? Yes, no, not sure. Presidents always have to follow the law. However the question is, is there any wiggle room in that law under extraordinary circumstances such as war. The presidential legal teams think there is. Remember Lincoln suspended Habius corpus, shut down the Maryland legislature and restricted free speech to some degree. FDR had people's mail censored and detained Japanese in internment camps. LBJ had mail censored coming from troops in Vietnam. And I'm certain there are many more examples of powers that presidents have been able to enact in times of war for national security. Lincoln was actually not as popular as the grade school history books like to make out. The Japanese interments are still considered a bit over the top. So was Wilson's ridiculous Sedition Act of 1918. One guy got carted off to jail as he was turned in by his daughter for criticizing Wilson. Now that is fascism plain and simple. Fortunately Congress got rid of that law and the Espionage Act of 1917 after the war. Some of the silliness of this administration remind me of these ridiculous laws. I don't think many of us here are into conformism and also *always* question authority. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 7:56:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You, in contrast, deliberately misrepresented a poll.As far as I'm concerned, that was a lie. I never misrepresented the poll. I simply sited the Washington Post poll dated May 11, 2006 which backed my statement that the majority of Americans support the NSA program which the poll said. You didn't like the questions and thought of the poll as flawed because the words *warrantless wire taps* were not used in the poll. Evidently the Washington Post thought exactly as I did and believes the poll significant otherwise they wouldn't have taken it or published it. There would have been no point in taking it and publishing it otherwise. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 2:53:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a compelling rason for Bush NOT to comply with the law in this particular case? I believe I addressed what reasons I've heard in an earlier post. There may be more I haven't heard. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 2:57:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I never misrepresented the poll. I simply sited the Washington Post poll dated May 11, 2006 which backed my statement that the majority of Americans support the NSA program which the poll said. You didn't like the questions and thought of the poll as flawed because the words *warrantless wire taps* were not used in the poll. Evidently the Washington Post thought exactly as I did and believes the poll significant otherwise they wouldn't have taken it or published it. There would have been no point in taking it and publishing it otherwise.IF it is the poll I am thinking of, it was done by ABC/Fox News, not the Washington Post. We both stand corrected. It is Washington Post/ABC.Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts Read for your self. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 3:11:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 8/19/06 7:56:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You, in contrast, deliberately misrepresented a poll. As far as I'm concerned, that was a lie. I never misrepresented the poll. I simply sited the Washington Post poll dated May 11, 2006 which backed my statement that the majority of Americans support the NSA program which the poll said. You didn't like the questions and thought of the poll as flawed because the words *warrantless wire taps* were not used in the poll.No. Here's what you said:"Most people want the current NSA program in placeand it is still going on while it is appealed."That implies that what most people want is what isbeing appealed.That's the lie.What is being appealed is WARRANTLESS wiretapping.In all the polls that have asked specifically aboutWARRANTLESS wiretapping, the majority has beenagainst it.I responded: Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping.And you lied again by citing the Washington Postpoll in your reply as if it had asked about WARRANTLESSwiretapping. But it did not, and you knew that. Evidently the Washington Post thought exactly as I didYes, I'm sure it thought exactly as you did: Maybeif we just ask about the NSA program in general, amajority will support it, and then we can say "Amajority supports the NSA program" and people willthink that means they support WARRANTLESS wiretapping.That's the same scam Bush's supporters, includingyourself, are running. and believes the poll significant otherwise they wouldn't have taken it or published it. There would have been no point in taking it and publishing it otherwise.I don't think anybody suggested they didn't think itwas significant. Got any more straw men?I never said the poll was "flawed" or that I "didn'tlike the questions," by the way, so that's *another*two lies from you. The poll was fine on its own termsin measuring approval of the NSA program in general.What was *not* fine was your misrepresentation of itas supporting WARRANTLESS wiretapping, which it mostcertainly did not. And as I said earlier that the poll also mentioned that 65% even favored the program even if it meant violating privacy. That's close enough for me for the majority being OK with wire taps being warrantless. Only about 30% or less did not want the program and I have no doubt it was because they believed the wire taps could be without warrants, why else would that many people be against the program? No lies, no deception, just sour grapes that 66% of the population want Bush's program in place as it is. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 3:34:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not that I've seen, beyond the bogus claim thatgetting a warrant involved "silly red tape." Then you haven't read all the posts or your memory is failing. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they were. For example, I've encountered many citations of Lincoln suspending writs of habeas corpus, but not one citation has ever said, "And history proves he was correct to do so." Same with FDR's internment of Japanese Americans.If history teaches me anything from the above examples, it's that presidents take reprehensible actions under stress. And you know what? What Bush is doing is far less invasive than anything any of these other presidents did and having far greater success in accomplishing the goals. If you read the poll from the Washington Post you will notice that even 65% thought it was necessary even if it violated privacy. Only about 30% or less opposed it. These are the hard core Bush haters that don't trust himon any account and are just looking for something to complain about. If Bush had a judge reviewing every wire tap as they came in, on the spot those same people would be complaining and demanding to know if it was a Bush appointee or a good liberal judge that will play politics with the program and be a thorn in the side. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 7:40:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: --- MDixon wrote: Presidents always have to follow the law. However the question is, is there any wiggle room in that law under extraordinary circumstances such as war. The presidential legal teams think there is. Remember Lincoln suspended Habius corpus, shut down the Maryland legislature and restricted free speech to some degree. FDR had people's mail censored and detained Japanese in internment camps. LBJ had mail censored coming from troops in Vietnam. And I'm certain there are many more examples of powers that presidents have been able to enact in times of war for national security. MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they were. For example, I've encountered many citations of Lincoln suspending writs of habeas corpus, but not one citation has ever said, "And history proves he was correct to do so." Same with FDR's internment of Japanese Americans. If history teaches me anything from the above examples, it's that presidents take reprehensible actions under stress.Nixon did a whole lot of warrantless wiretapping,so it should be OK for Bush to do it too, right?Er, no. That's why the FISA Act was passed in 1978,to KEEP presidents from doing warrantlesswiretapping, to ensure they had no reason to say,Well, gee, it was terribly urgent and a matter ofnational security, and we just couldn't wait to get a warrant... And just who was Nixon wire tapping? Democrats on domestic lines. Good reason to pass FISA. Bush is intercepting foreign calls coming into the USfrom known or suspected terrorist in a war on terror. Not Domestic calls, which he does get warrants for. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they were. For example, I've encountered many citations of Lincoln suspending writs of habeas corpus, but not one citation has ever said, "And history proves he was correct to do so." Same with FDR's internment of Japanese Americans. If history teaches me anything from the above examples, it's that presidents take reprehensible actions under stress. And you know what? What Bush is doing is far less invasive thananything any of these other presidents did and having far greater success in accomplishing the goals. If you read the poll from the WashingtonPost you will notice that even 65% thought it was necessary even if it violated privacy.Only about 30% or less opposed it. These are the hard core Bush haters that don't trust him on any account and are just looking for something to complainabout. If Bush had a judge reviewing every wire tap as they came in, on thespot those same people would be complaining and demanding to know if it was aBush appointee or a good liberal judge that will play politics with the program and be a thorn in the side.I thought FDR monitored EVERY transatlantic communication (via theatlantic cable) unknown to the public of the time. JohnY Every democratic president did things that had a republican president done them would make today's liberals scream. Yet FDR , JFK, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are gods who could do no wrong. I guarantee you had FDR been a republican that interred Japanese during WW2 there would be a current movement to erase his name from history after demonizing it for a couple of generations. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:17:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except that in every poll I'm aware of that askedabout WARRANTLESS wiretapping explicitly, a majorityDID NOT approve of it. The polls you sited either failed to mention the calls involved in the NSA program and that the calls intercepted without warrant were from foreign countries by suspected terrorists and were taken at a much earlier time when less was known about the NSA program. The May 11, 2006 poll was the latest poll when people were far more informed as to the nature of the program. There was no point in taking it if it didn't include anything other than the program as it was. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:18:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I* had to dig up the administration's rationalefor not wanting to have to get warrants. YOu didn'tsay a word about it other than the silly "silly redtape" comment. I did later __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:32:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 8/20/06 7:40:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In _FairfieldLife@FairfieldLifFai_ (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , "Patrick Gillam" [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: --- MDixon wrote: Presidents always have to follow the law. However the question is, is thereany wiggle room in that law under extraordinary circumstances such as war. Thepresidential legal teams think there is. Remember Lincoln suspended Habius corpus, shut down the Maryland legislature and restricted free speech to somedegree. FDR had people's mail censored and detained Japanese in internmentcamps. LBJ had mail censored coming from troops in Vietnam. And I'm certain there are many more examples of powers that presidents have been able to enactin times of war for national security.MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they were. For example, I've encountered many citations of Lincoln suspending writs of habeas corpus, but not one citation has ever said, "And history proves he was correct to do so." Same with FDR's internment of Japanese Americans.If history teaches me anything from the above examples, it's that presidents take reprehensible actions under stress. Nixon did a whole lot of warrantless wiretapping, so it should be OK for Bush to do it too, right? Er, no. That's why the FISA Act was passed in 1978, to KEEP presidents from doing warrantless wiretapping, to ensure they had no reason to say, Well, gee, it was terribly urgent and a matter of national security, and we just couldn't wait to get a warrant... And just who was Nixon wire tapping? Democrats on domestic lines. Good reason to pass FISA. Bush is intercepting foreign calls coming into the US from known or suspected terrorist in a war on terror.That's what he *says* he's doing. But because there'sno OVERSIGHT--because he does not have to get warrants--there's no way to tell. He could be tapping domesticcalls from Democrats, and we'd never know it. And you think that wouldn't be ratted out?! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:32:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bullshit. If it were President Hillary Clintondoing warrantless wiretapping, they could hearyou right-wingers screeching about it as faraway as Pluto. Yes, Hillary did get her hands on the FBI files of just about everybody in congress and much was made of it for a few months and it was dropped. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:38:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After the Republicans had lied up a storm about thenature of the program, you mean. What lies specifically did the republicans tell about the nature of the program? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they were. For example, I've encountered many citations of Lincoln suspending writs of habeas corpus, but not one citation has ever said, And history proves he was correct to do so. Same with FDR's internment of Japanese Americans. If history teaches me anything from the above examples, it's that presidents take reprehensible actions under stress. And you know what? What Bush is doing is far less invasive than anything any of these other presidents did and having far greater success in accomplishing the goals. If you read the poll from the Washington Post you will notice that even 65% thought it was necessary even if it violated privacy. Only about 30% or less opposed it. These are the hard core Bush haters that don't trust him on any account and are just looking for something to complain about. If Bush had a judge reviewing every wire tap as they came in, on the spot those same people would be complaining and demanding to know if it was a Bush appointee or a good liberal judge that will play politics with the program and be a thorn in the side. The problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the average American and most of those polled probably really didn't understand the issue. That 65% might have a different opinion if brought up to speed on FISA. The Bushists did the same thing playing up the Social Security issue knowing that it could be easily obfuscated because of its complexity and they might be able to snow the average American. They weren't successful. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/06 9:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they were. For example, I've encountered many citations of Lincoln suspending writs of habeas corpus, but not one citation has ever said, And history proves he was correct to do so. Same with FDR's internment of Japanese Americans. If history teaches me anything from the above examples, it's that presidents take reprehensible actions under stress. And you know what? What Bush is doing is far less invasive than anything any of these other presidents did and having far greater success in accomplishing the goals. If you read the poll from the Washington Post you will notice that even 65% thought it was necessary even if it violated privacy. Only about 30% or less opposed it. These are the hard core Bush haters that don't trust him on any account and are just looking for something to complain about. If Bush had a judge reviewing every wire tap as they came in, on the spot those same people would be complaining and demanding to know if it was a Bush appointee or a good liberal judge that will play politics with the program and be a thorn in the side. I thought FDR monitored EVERY transatlantic communication (via the atlantic cable) unknown to the public of the time. JohnY Every democratic president did things that had a republican president done them would make today's liberals scream. Yet FDR , JFK, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are gods who could do no wrong. I guarantee you had FDR been a republican that interred Japanese during WW2 there would be a current movement to erase his name from history after demonizing it for a couple of generations. At their worst FDR, JFK, Carter and Clinton were far better than the joke that's in the White House. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/06 7:07:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MD, you recount these extreme measures by past presidents as if they were all justified. I'm not ready to assume they were. For example, I've encountered many citations of Lincoln suspending writs of habeas corpus, but not one citation has ever said, And history proves he was correct to do so. Same with FDR's internment of Japanese Americans. If history teaches me anything from the above examples, it's that presidents take reprehensible actions under stress. And you know what? What Bush is doing is far less invasive than anything any of these other presidents did and having far greater success in accomplishing the goals. How do you know either? All the details of the program are secret. We don't know who they're wiretapping or for what reasons, and we have *no* idea whether they've had any successes doing it. That's why warrantless wiretapping is a BAD IDEA, because there is NO OVERSIGHT. If you read the poll from the Washington Post you will notice that even 65% thought it was necessary even if it violated privacy. Only about 30% or less opposed it. NOBODY in the Washington Post poll approved or opposed WARRANTLESS wiretapping. The poll did not ask about WARRANTLESS wiretapping. You just keep repeating the same lie over and over, even after it's been thoroughly exposed. These are the hard core Bush haters that don't trust him on any account and are just looking for something to complain about. Bullshit. If it were President Hillary Clinton doing warrantless wiretapping, they could hear you right-wingers screeching about it as far away as Pluto. If Bush had a judge reviewing every wire tap as they came in, on the spot those same people would be complaining and demanding to know if it was a Bush appointee or a good liberal judge that will play politics with the program and be a thorn in the side. Bullshit. You're really floundering now, MDixon. You haven't got a case, and you know it. NOBODY (except maybe Bhairitu) objects to wiretapping with judicial oversight. We've been doing that forever. Where did I say that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend wrote: snip NOBODY (except maybe Bhairitu) objects to wiretapping with judicial oversight. We've been doing that forever. Where did I say that? Don't know that you did; I just thought if anybody would object, it would be you. If you don't, good for you, I'm glad to hear it. Just strengthens my point. My arguments have been against Bush being above the law not that wiretaps are wrong. These laws must be used in a sensible way or we have lost everything that was fought for in the last 230 years. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:45:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, yeah, but at least he would be obeying the law You don't know that he isn't. You have the opinion of one very liberal judge playing politics with the matter. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:36:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My arguments have been against Bush being above the law not that wiretaps are wrong. These laws must be used in a sensible way or we have lost everything that was fought for in the last 230 years. Are you aware that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton both violated the FISA laws and wiretapped people in America without warrants? The Pollack case is one of them I believe. As a matter of fact I think both involved spying. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 9:56:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the average American and most of those polled probably really didn't understand the issue. That 65% might have a different opinion if brought up to speed on FISA. The Bushists did the same thing playing up the Social Security issue knowing that it could be easily obfuscated because of its complexity and they might be able to snow the average American. They weren't successful. And don't you think the Democratic party would have tweaked that poll by the Washington Post by emphasizing warrantless wiretaps in another poll after May 11, if they thought they could have moved those numbers against Bush?Of course they would! They haven't touched it yet because they are afraid to or if they have they have kept it secret. And why would they keep it a secret unless it didn't move the numbers the way they wanted them. The fact is the people feel safer with the program just as it is and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Everybody in that poll knew exactly what was meant in that poll because the topic had been hotly debated for so long and as I said if there was any confusion the DNC would have modified the questions later to include warrantless wiretaps of incoming calls fromAl Qaeda suspects just in order to have the last word in public opinion. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:03:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What lies specifically did the republicans tell about the nature of the program?That it was all perfectly legal, that Bush had beenauthorized to do it by the resolution on the use offorce in Iraq, that the Times had committed treasonand endangered our national security by revealingthe lawbreaking by the administration, that anybodywho opposed it was siding with the terrorists--youname it. The courts will determine if it is legal. And the rest is a matter of opinion that I personally agree with. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:08:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, yeah, and the biggie, of course, that having toget a warrant kept them from being able to act onthreats quickly enough. And unless you know exactly how the operation works you don't know that isn't true. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:08:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is that the FISA issue is too complicated for the average American and most of those polled probably really didn't understand the issue.Largely because the administration and its supporterswere doing their level best to confuse the issue in thepress and on television and talk radio, and the mediawere compliantly going along with all the lies. No actually it was the Democrats that were intentionally trying to confuse the public by accusing Bush of wiretapping American citizens without a warrant. They never mentioned that the wire taps that were being done without the warrants only involved international phone calls coming into the country from known suspected terrorists to people inside our country who could be working on terrorist plots. The democrats tried to make it sound like Bush was wire tapping your mother and sister planning a surprise birthday party or the Democratic headquarters to see what their next "treasonous" move was going to be. The Democrats are the ones that tried to play politics with this and they got burned. Americans want the NSA program as it is. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:58:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You don't know that he isn't. You have the opinion of one very liberal judge playing politics with the matter.??? Defacto, laws are to be obeyed until a judge rules OTHERWISE. Bush isn't challenging the law. He says he has the authority to do what he is doing and its up to the courts to prove him wrong. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 10:15:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NOBODY (except maybe Bhairitu) objects to wiretapping with judicial oversight. We've been doing that forever. Where did I say that?Don't know that you did; I just thought if anybodywould object, it would be you.If you don't, good for you, I'm glad to hear it.Just strengthens my point. Judy , did you bare false witness against Bhairitu? Now that is a lie. Of course I know you were only joking though. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/20/06 11:46:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And don't you think the Democratic party would have tweaked that poll by the Washington Post by emphasizing warrantless wiretaps in another poll after May 11, if they thought they could have moved those numbers against Bush? Of course they would!Oh, wonderful. Now he's trying to prove the publicapproves of warrantless wiretapping because there'sbeen no poll since the Washington Post poll sayingthey don't.Oh, and the Democratic Party doesn't "tweak" pollnumbers done by news organizations. Hey, polls are what the Democrats are all about. They live and die by the polls.If they can influence public opinion by making people think they are some how on the wrong side, if they don't agree with them, they will use them every time. All the Democrats would have to do in this case is clearly ask in a poll if you support the NSA program including wire tapping incoming foreign calls from suspected terroristseven without a warrant from a judge to do so. I guarantee you if they thought they could move the poll numbers from the last poll, Washington Post/ABC, in their favor, they would in a New York minute. The fact is Judy, 65% of the people want that NSA program in place as it is because it looks like it is working and probably a high percentage of that 65% wouldn't trust their safety with a federal judge deciding what could and could not be tapped. Judges screw things up too many times and let criminals go that end up killing again. And that 65% definitely wouldn't trust a judge like Anna Diggs Taylor if she were in charge of overseeing the program, IMPO. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/21/06 12:14:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And unless you know exactly how the operation works you don't know that isn't true.They can start wiretapping *immediately*, withoutgetting a warrant first. That's in the FISA law. And as far as you know that is all to it? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/21/06 12:03:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8/20/06 10:15:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NOBODY (except maybe Bhairitu) objects to wiretapping with judicial oversight. We've been doing that forever. Where did I say that? Don't know that you did; I just thought if anybody would object, it would be you. If you don't, good for you, I'm glad to hear it. Just strengthens my point. Judy , did you bare false witness against Bhairitu?MDixon, look up to what you quoted from my post.Look at the second word inside the parentheses.See it? It's "maybe."If you don't know what it means, look it up in Mr.Dictionary.Now that is a lie. Of course I know you were only joking though. Oh yeah, I definitely noticed they MAYBE in parenthesis. Never the less there wasimplication of a specific person. Otherwise, why not say "Almost Nobody"? It's kind of like what you wouldaccuse republicans of doing, implying something in a way that you can deny later. Maybe that's why you think republicans are liars. Could you be imagining them thinking like you? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:snip No , not at all. Most people want the current NSA program in place and it is still going on while it is appealed.Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping. Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:snip No , not at all. Most people want the current NSA program in place and it is still going on while it is appealed.Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping. Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 10:13:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In _FairfieldLife@FairfieldLifFai_ (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , MDixon6569@, MDi snip No , not at all. Most people want the current NSA program in place and it is still going on while it is appealed. Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping. _Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html)Gee.I wonder if Judy will say: "I stand corrected."Hell, frozen over...NOT. Shemp, I'm not holding my breath. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 10:56:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm going to give you a chance to amend your assertionto reflect the facts. If you don't, I'll expose you asa liar.Your choice. Wow! Have at it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip And isn't it interesting how much time the major networks devoted to this as compared to the court decision on wiretaps which is by far more important. These days, any time they can divert attention away from you-know- who, they gladly will, although last night I did see Britt Hume on Fox attacking the judge that ruled the wiretapping illegal. The JonBenet case is ratings *gold*. They aren't trying to divert attention from Bush but rather to cash in. Blame their audiences, in this instance. That's what people want to watch. The same dregs of society who make American Idol and its knock offs so popular? The masses have been programmer to want this shit. They can be deprogrammed too. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: Anyone else think that this guy Karr is just saying he killed her for the attention? Recently, here in Phoenix, a fellow admitted to killing a bunch of people but it turned out he didn't have anything to do with it. And isn't it interesting how much time the major networks devoted to this as compared to the court decision on wiretaps which is by far more important. These days, any time they can divert attention away from you- know- who, they gladly will, although last night I did see Britt Hume on Fox attacking the judge that ruled the wiretapping illegal. Who is the they you refer to? From the posting I was responding to, 'the major networks'. They who would feed the hand that bites them... Then you have to go deeper as to who owns and controls these networks and the bigger picture shows a tiny group of very wealthy individuals who have controlled (or attempted to) things down through time. It is known as an open conspiracy or for practical purpose no conspiracy at all but the strategy of this group. They have always hated seeing the masses own property and attendant freedoms that come with that. They are our deepest enemy and I think it is time to take their power away. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 3:22:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most Americans obviously don't understand the issue. The issue is not between having wiretaps and not-having wiretaps, but between asking for a judges permission within 48 hours AFTER the start of the wiretap, and simply ignoring the law.If the poll were correct in its conclusion, the American people would be saying that they want the President to ignore the law for no reason since it is always possible to obtain the judge's permission. Then why hasn't anybody taken a poll asking the question you pose in order to "clarify " it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 3:28:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" shempmcgurk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes:--- In _FairfieldLife@FairfieldLifFai_ (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , MDixon6569@, MDi snip No , not at all. Most people want the current NSA program in place and it is still going on while it is appealed. Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping. _Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html) Gee. I wonder if Judy will say: "I stand corrected." Hell, frozen over...NOT.Another poll says:http://www.democrats.com/node/7416/print1]For Release: January 16, 2006New Zogby Poll Shows Majority of Americans Support Impeaching Bush for WiretappingBy a margin of 52% to 43%, Americans want Congress to consider impeaching President Bush if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge's approval, according to a new poll commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org [1], a grassroots coalition that supports a Congressional investigation of President Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003. A clever poll with not too subtle spin. Nobody approves of the NSA tapping domestic calls. The calls in question are calls from suspected terroristscoming into the US from foreign countries. But the poll doesn't state that. It just asks if people would approve of impeachment if Bush approved of wire taps without a warrant, which could be a call between any two American citizens within the country and that is not what the NSA is doing. It has been known and common knowledge since the story broke that the calls being tapped are calls entering the US and from known terrorist suspects. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 3:33:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The poll didn't mention WARRANTLESS wiretapping.When people are asked specifically whether theyapprove of WARRANTLESS wiretapping--the issue inthe court case--a majority does NOT approve.The scam the Republicans are trying to perpetrateis utterly shameless. And the "liberal" WashingtonPost went dutifully right along with it.So, unfortunately, did MDixon. I Have to stand by the Poll as it is. People have known from the get go that the calls in question, that are tapped with out a warrant, are calls coming into the USfrom suspected terrorists and most people don't care if they are tapped without a warrant. Tapping citizens on domestic calls without a warrant is an entirely different situation. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 3:40:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.democrats.com/node/7416/print 1]For Release: January 16, 2006 New Zogby Poll Shows Majority of Americans Support Impeaching Bush for Wiretapping*Warrantless* wiretapping.I pointed this out to MDixon, to absolutely no effect. Judy the poll here by the Democrats as I read it doesn't stipulate betweenAmerican citizens having a private conversation and Terrorist suspects from out side the country calling into the US and having conversation. Try asking the question in a poll" would you be in favor of impeachment proceedings against Bush if he tapped, without a warrant, conversations coming into the United States from a foreign country made by a terrorist or terrorist suspect to an American citizen or a guest in our country?" Chances are you're going to get something closer to the Washington Post Poll. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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In a message dated 8/19/06 3:42:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, Judy is closer to being right on this than you and MDixon. Answer MY poll honestly, if you dare. Spair, I had no problem answering your poll. Your poll as I read it only asked about warrentless wire taps in general. Not about issues of national security involving foreign terrorists calling people within the country. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 5:16:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:snip By the time this poll was taken it was common knowledge that warrants for wire tapping calls coming in to the US from suspected terrorists were not asked for by the NSA nor given by the courts.I stand completely behind my comment and by the Washington Post Poll that the overwhelming majority of Americans stand by the program that the NSA had in place which included warrantless wire taps on calls from suspected terrorists coming into the US. Now if you would like to show me another poll taken by a major news paper or polling firm that says Americans are against warrantless wiretaps in the case of intercepting terrorist phone calls coming into the US, I'll be happy to listen.CNN/USA Today/Gallup, 1/20-22/2006As you may know, the Bush Administration has been wiretapping telephone conversations between U.S. citizens living in the United States and suspected terrorists living in other countries without getting a court order allowing it to do so. How closely have you been following the news about this: very closely, somewhat closely, not too closely, or not at all?69% are either following it Very Closely (31%) or Somewhat Closely (38%).Do you think the Bush Administration was right or wrong in wiretapping these conversations without obtaining a court order?" N=506, MoE ± 5 (Form A)46% Right, 51% Wrong, 3% UnsureDo you think a special prosecutor should or should not be appointed to investigate this matter? N=500, MoE ± 5 (Form B)58% (Should), 39% (Should Not), 2% (Unsure).http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/2006-01-23-poll.htmAssociated Press, 1/3-5/2006 Should the Bush Administration be required to get a warrant from a judge before monitoring phone and Internet communications between American citizens in the United States and suspected terrorists, or should the government be allowed to monitor such communications without a warrant?Required to get warrant, 56%Monitor without a warrant, 42%Unsure, 2%http://www.ap-ipsosresults.com/Zogby Poll: Americans Support Impeaching Bush for [Warrantless] Wiretapping, January 9-12, 2006If President Bush wiretapped American citizens without the approval of a judge, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment?52% agree, 43% disagree, 6% n/a, moe 2.9%http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12530NBC News/Wall Street Journal, January 26-29, 2006Do you think that the Bush administration should conduct wiretaps of American citizens who are suspected of having ties to terrorists without a court order, or do you think that the Bush administration should be required to get a court order before conducting these wiretaps?Should be able to wiretap without court order, 41%Should be required to get a court order before wiretapping, 53%Depends 4%Not sure 2%http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/poll20060131.pdf Judy, did you notice the dates of the polls you sited above? They are all in January of this year, most within an 11 day period. The debate about this matter went on most of the first half of the year. The poll I sited was the latest I know of, dated May 11th of this year. The public certainly had more time to become informed and is expressed in the Washington Post poll. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 5:21:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Plus, it's a Zogby poll...he's a notorious, biased Liberal. Well, usually so is the Washington Post. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 5:39:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A clever poll with not too subtle spin. Nobody approves of the NSA tapping domestic calls. The calls in question are calls from suspected terrorists coming into the US from foreign countries. But the poll doesn't state that. It just asks if people would approve of impeachment if Bush approved of wire taps without a warrant, which could be a call between any two American citizens within the country and that is not what the NSA is doing. It has been known and common knowledge since the story broke that the calls being tapped are calls entering the US and from known terrorist suspects.The point is that if there's no judicial oversight,they can wiretap anyone they want. What this pollsays is that the American people don't trust Bushto limit the wiretapping to suspected terrorists calling into the U.S. from abroad. Messages in this topic (37) Reply (via web post) | Start __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 5:28:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then why hasn't anybody taken a poll asking the question you pose in order to "clarify " it.You mean, why hasn't the so-called liberal mediaconducted such a poll? Gee, I really wonder.Not.Some of them have come pretty close (see previouspost), but none so far has had the guts or theintegrity to ask straight out, Do you approve ofPresident Bush breaking the law by conductingwarrantless wiretapping? Judy, most polling firms and news papers would never ask a loaded question like that. They wouldn't expect a straight answer. Besides, what would that do to their journalistic integrity should the courts actually end up ruling in Bush's favor? Only one judge hasgiven their opinion on this matter through a ruling and it's not like judges never get over turned. That is why I stated in myoriginal post concerning this matter thatit doesn't mean a lot to the mediatill it gets to the Supreme Court and they make a final ruling. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 5:36:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, they do. When you ask explicitly about WARRANTLESSwiretapping, a majority oppose it.From my earlier post:Associated Press, 1/3-5/2006 Should the Bush Administration be required to get a warrant from a judge before monitoring phone and Internet communications between American citizens in the United States and suspected terrorists, or should the government be allowed to monitor such communications without a warrant?Required to get warrant, 56%Monitor without a warrant, 42%Unsure, 2%http://www.ap-ipsosresults.com/ Tapping citizens on domestic calls without a warrant is an entirely different situation.I was pretty sure you'd try to bluff your waythrough this one once you'd been called on it.Very disappointing. As I mentioned earlier the date of your poll was in January or 2006. The date of my poll is May 11 2006. Evidently people have changed their minds and support the program in place once they heard the debate. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 5:39:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A clever poll with not too subtle spin. Nobody approves of the NSA tapping domestic calls. The calls in question are calls from suspected terrorists coming into the US from foreign countries. But the poll doesn't state that. It just asks if people would approve of impeachment if Bush approved of wire taps without a warrant, which could be a call between any two American citizens within the country and that is not what the NSA is doing. It has been known and common knowledge since the story broke that the calls being tapped are calls entering the US and from known terrorist suspects.The point is that if there's no judicial oversight,they can wiretap anyone they want. What this pollsays is that the American people don't trust Bushto limit the wiretapping to suspected terrorists calling into the U.S. from abroad. What this poll says is the democrats are trying to politicize the issue and scare Americans into thinking that Bush is listening in on their private conversations. But as the debate went on through the spring, it didn't work. People realized Bush has much more important things to do than listen in on their personal conversations and would much rather have him be able to implement the program and not be tied up with silly bureaucratic red tape when the NSA has to be able to move quickly on incoming phone calls that are a matter of national security. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 5:54:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, usually so is the Washington Post.Yeah, that must have been why they didn't ask aboutWARRANTLESS wiretapping.snort Judy, something tells me that had the Washington Post specifically mentioned warrantless wiretapping as a method of receiving suspected terrorist calls coming into the country and the poll had similar numbers you still wouldn't accept it. There would have been another excuse as to why the poll was flawed. That is why I told Shemp in that one post,I'm not holding my breath. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 5:58:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Back when the issue was fresh, when the warrantlessaspect was being reported prominently, before theadministration and the Republicans had had a chance toconfuse things, a majority was quite clear that theydid not approve of warrantless wiretapping. Oy vay! who was trying to confuse who? The polls you sited were from January. And the one that asked if impeachment proceedings should proceed against Bush only mentioned if he were tapping people without a warrant. A very general and vague question which even I would agree with. The Democratic poll never mentioned national security and warrantless wiretapping of phone calls coming into the US from Terrorists. However that was explained to the public over the course of the debate and the public sides with the president on the issue, at least as of May 11 2006. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:01:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As one blogger pointed out, the question, as it was asked, was NOT a good figure for Bush: why wasn't the figure 99+% in favor of wiretapping terrorists and the people they talk to? It's very easy to see, but I'm sure you won't. There is so much hatred for Bush generated by about 20 to 30% of the electorate that they would hate to see him have any success in anything. As Limbaugh put it, good news for America while Bush is in office is bad news for the Democrats and Bad news for America while Bush is in office is good news for the Democrats. They couldn't stand him being elected the first time.They couldn't stand his poll numbers after 911. When Bush's poll numbers were at their highest and people expressed complete trust in him the Democrats had to do something to destroy that trust so they went from focusing in on him as a moron tocalling him a liar, as I was called one today, twice! And the Democrats absolutely couldn't stand him being re-elected. The attacks on Bushhave gone from just being political to being very personal and ugly andquite frankly there are a few Independents that are just tired of itand wished it would all stop, at any cost. November will tell how many independents will change to hopefully quiet things down. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:02:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then why hasn't anybody taken a poll asking the question you pose in order to "clarify " it.How do you know it wasn't? Do you think the Democrats would not publish such a poll if the had anything to do with it? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:04:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I Have to stand by the Poll as it is. People have known from the get go that the calls in question, that are tapped with out a warrant, are calls coming into the US from suspected terrorists and most people don't care if they are tapped without a warrant. Tapping citizens on domestic calls without a warrant is an entirely different situation.So you believ e that the President of teh USA doesn't have to follow a law set by Congress? I didn't say that at all. I think the more appropriate question is does the president have the authorityto wire tap without a warrant involving national security in a time of war. Lincoln suspended Habius Corpus, FDR did a number of things that would make the hair stand on end of democrats today, one of them was interring Japanese Americans in camps. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:10:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Spair, I had no problem answering your poll. Your poll as I read it only asked about warrentless wire taps in general. Not about issues of national security involving foreign terrorists calling people within the country.funny, didn't see you answer the poll. Obviously, you missed it. The post may have been in response to something Judy had said but it answered the same issue. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:16:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even if she is right, how does that justify her continually and constantly calling people "liars"?Judy has her own style. If I lie and she notices, I rather expect she'll call me on it. I can either say "you're right, sorry," or "you're wrong, sorry," and give my reasons why I think she's wrong.If I say "you're wrong, sorry," and don't bother to explain WHY I think she's wrong about my lying, then she's perfectly justified in assuming that I'm deliberately lying. Spair I have never thought of you as having lied. But you seem to think that if you are wrong on something or your facts are not accurate that you are lying. I would much rather look at that as being wrong and stubborn than calling you a liar, unless you deliberately tried to deceive. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:17:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The administration *admits* it wasn't acting withinthe law as written. It claims it has the right todisregard the law in this case. Bingo. And that is where the courts come into play. Presidential powers canchange in times of war and issues of national security. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:18:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of curse, none of these polls quite asks about the real issue: should the president be allowed to ignore the law?The law states that the law enforcement types most get a warrant to monitor calls of the relevant kind within 48 hours AFTER the monitoring starts, IIRC.The President never bothered to have his people do this. IN fact, since it is standard procedure for law enforcement agents to follow the law unless told otherwise, someone must have ordered these agents NOT to follow the law. As I have now said in a couple of other posts, the issue as you state also involves presidential powers in a time of war when national security is involved. Presidential authority and powers can and has changed numerous times through out our history during wars. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:29:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: funny, didn't see you answer the poll.Nor did I. I didn't direct my answer directly to Spair. It may have been to you. But I did address the same poll earlier. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:29:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you miss the fact that the Pres can obtain the warrant within 48 hours AFTER the wiretap starts? No not at all. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:30:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But that didn't come up, did it?As it was, it had one HUGE flaw with regard to theissue currently in the courts: It didn't evenmention it. The poll didn't mention specifically warrantless wire taps but that issue had been debated all Winter and Spring, even mentioning it in the Democratic poll, so the public was quite aware of what was going on and still 65% answered that they thought it was important enough even if it intruded on their privacy. Only that hard core 30+% absolutely rejected any intrusion of privacy. After all the poll clearly was about what was going on in the NSA, not some fictitiousscenario and the public has been very aware that warrants were not being asked for or issued on incoming calls from terrorists. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:31:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Silly red tape" is one of the lies the Republicanshave been pushing during the "debate." Nobody istied up in "silly red tape" by the FISA requirements.The NSA is not inhibited from acting quickly onincoming phone calls that are a matter of nationalsecurity.So that argument is a total crock. I put that "silly red tape" line in there just for you Spair. I knew it would get a rise out of you. Actually the courts will decide whether it is silly or not. The President and his legal advisors say there is enough wiggle room in the law that would allow him to bypass the warrants in time of war and national security. Phone calls can trickle in and then they can flood in at rate that it would be necessary to have a judge 24/7 on site. Quite frankly while you obviously don't trust Bush to be tapping only terrorist threats, I personally don't trust a lot of federal judges and their sense of judgement. We constantly see judges letting criminals off the hook that go out and kill somebody later. Do you really want a federal judge to determine whether Abdul Hafsomjammi calling from Teheran is not a threat or not thus not allowing the NSA to tape his conversation or intercept more of his calls? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/19/06 6:33:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I mentioned earlier the date of your poll was in January or 2006. The date of my poll is May 11 2006. Evidently people have changed their minds and support the program in place once they heard the debate.Or had forgotten the debate in the first place.What do the polls show now about the President vs the courts. Spair, why do you think people in general are stupid and can't remember the debate? As for the polls now? I haven't seen any. I think most people want to wait and see what the courts say, even through the appeal. I personally don't think many people are that informed on both sides of the issue, but I do think most people want the NSA program in place since it has been so successful. You never know how this is going to go down in the Supreme Court. They may agree whole heartedly with this first judge and then again they may agree with the president. Or they may say yeah its a good idea but the FISA laws need to be tweaked one way or another to be able to leave it in place. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/19/06 6:04:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I Have to stand by the Poll as it is. People have known from the get go that the calls in question, that are tapped with out a warrant, are calls coming into the US from suspected terrorists and most people don't care if they are tapped without a warrant. Tapping citizens on domestic calls without a warrant is an entirely different situation. So you believ e that the President of teh USA doesn't have to follow a law set by Congress? I didn't say that at all. I think the more appropriate question is does the president have the authority to wire tap without a warrant involving national security in a time of war. Lincoln suspended Habius Corpus, FDR did a number of things that would make the hair stand on end of democrats today, one of them was interring Japanese Americans in camps. What exactly is wrong with him getting a warrant? The country isn't exactly crawling with terrorists. Terrrorism is just an excuse they use to take away our rights that they don't like we peons having. That's part of the NeoCon doctrine. We need to fight them every step of the way just as if they are terrorists which they are in my book whether YOU like it or not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
In a message dated 8/18/06 5:20:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These days, any time they can divert attention away from you-know-who, they gladly will, although last night I did see Britt Hume on Fox attacking the judge that ruled the wiretapping illegal.Who is the "they" you refer to? C'mon... you know ... They! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/06 5:20:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These days, any time they can divert attention away from you-know- who, they gladly will, although last night I did see Britt Hume on Fox attacking the judge that ruled the wiretapping illegal. Who is the they you refer to? C'mon... you know ... They! This guy can tell you who they are: http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/index.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: Anyone else think that this guy Karr is just saying he killed her for the attention? Recently, here in Phoenix, a fellow admitted to killing a bunch of people but it turned out he didn't have anything to do with it. And isn't it interesting how much time the major networks devoted to this as compared to the court decision on wiretaps which is by far more important. These days, any time they can divert attention away from you-know- who, they gladly will, although last night I did see Britt Hume on Fox attacking the judge that ruled the wiretapping illegal. Who is the they you refer to? Find out here: http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/index.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
