Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
Duh, Raunchy, maybe too many skinny gymnastic events? Meaning, the obesity epidemic in the US?! The rise of diabetes, even among children?! Hello?! My own MD, being knowledgeable and responsible, warned me off sugar because my Mom has Type II. Other than all this, yes, good one, welcome back, very LOL, etc. From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: So, the answer is no. You're just going to let all those mistakes you made stand, never acknowledge them, let alone apologize for them. That's what I figured, being familiar with your ethics. Judy, really, I am sorry. I can't relate to this. I don't know if it's because I'm just a little mentally fatigued , or maybe because I felt, (real or imagined, not sure), a slight shift in my awareness earlier this evening. I don't know, but I feel you're speaking a foreign language right now. Maybe you ate too much sugar.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
Judy, what do you want besides an apology from me to Robin about accusing him of psychological rape? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Duh, Raunchy, maybe too many skinny gymnastic events? Meaning, the obesity epidemic in the US?! The rise of diabetes, even among children?! Hello?! My own MD, being knowledgeable and responsible, warned me off sugar because my Mom has Type II. Other than all this, yes, good one, welcome back, very LOL, etc. I wonder whether this from you to Robin could have been what raunchy was alluding to (September 6, 2012) rather than any of the above irrelevant gobbledygook: Yes I will excuse your presumption if you excuse my not going down this particular rabbit hole againSo no problemo. Sigh, btw, I notice I'm feeling grumpy this morning. Blaming it on the sugar I ate yesterday. Somehow I've become very sensitive to sugar. Anyway, Robin, apologies for taking it out on you. Five days later, also to Robin, concerning the same incident: As for what my feelings were, I didn't suffer or feel insulted. Nor did I think you were being hurtful or cruel. I simply did not want to pursue the theme of whether or not I was being the real me. Nor the theme of my alleged hyper positivity. Then *four weeks later*--again, with regard to the *very same incident*: Just for the record, this is exactly why I got so upset initially with Robin about the Russian flash mob post. Being psychologically raped didn't feel good then just as it doesn't feel good now. A truly startling discrepancy--from grumpy at the time to psychologically raped four weeks later--that you have never been willing to acknowledge, much less explain. Very close parallel, it seems to me, with Steve's refusal to acknowledge his mistakes with regard to the charges he made against Ann--albeit the charges in his case were far less serious than in yours, of course. More on your earlier posts to me coming up shortly. From: raunchydog raunchydog@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: So, the answer is no. You're just going to let all those mistakes you made stand, never acknowledge them, let alone apologize for them. That's what I figured, being familiar with your ethics. Judy, really, I am sorry. I can't relate to this. I don't know if it's because I'm just a little mentally fatigued , or maybe because I felt, (real or imagined, not sure), a slight shift in my awareness earlier this evening. I don't know, but I feel you're speaking a foreign language right now. Maybe you ate too much sugar.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
Sweet to read, you two, thanks. I also appreciated what you two said about enabling the other day. Encouraging. Ann, I googled PTL and it means Praise the Lord. From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: * originally wrote earlier today, but had connectivity issues Hi Ann, Hi Steve, thanks for your response. That is still something I really like about your etiquette here. Thank you for your concern about my work habits. I wasn't concerned, it just seemed like you had a lot of spare time to keep posting. I know in my business if I am dealing with lots of stock or customers there is no time for FFL and that is a good thing on two levels. In fact it was a fairly busy day, as are most days, and that is why I usually refrain from delving into FFL. But as an adult, and a business owner, I do allow myself some flexibility. In fact I have an early app't today, and so am rushing right now. And mercifully, this whole topic may have a chance to disappear for a little while, unless someone brings it up again in a little while. (that's good for a laugh) Nothing seems to ever quite disappear here; there always seems to be errant molecules floating around after the initial topics are presented and discussed. Kind of like dust motes that keep spinning around but sometimes you can only see them when there's the right kind or direction of light. But dear Ann, since we are being direct here, I'll make some of my own observations. This is what this place is all about. I recall early on how warmly you initially welcomed your friend Lord Knows, only to turn on him in a nasty way when he didn't adhere to your approved agenda on how we must now view RWC. Show me this turning in a nasty way please. I have not turned on Lord Knows either on this forum or privately. I still consider him a very personal and close friend and he may have felt I turned on him when I agreed with Emily's post about him but let me assure you: whatever I agreed with her in that post for is NOTHING compared to what Lord Knows and Brahmi and all my other closest friends and I did to each other during our time together. We all lived through it, worked it out, moved on and grew ever closer as a result. LK and I have had our good and bad times, our accusations and our doubts about each other beyond what you could ever imagine so this turning in a nasty way not only did not occur as you are trying to portray and if you believe it did then you misread what was going on. There was a whole lot of private interaction between LK and I while this whole brouhaha was unfolding. You only know a teeny fraction of it. And believe me, not only do I not possess any agenda regarding Robin I have no problem accepting the fact that LK or anyone else believes he is exactly the same as he was at the height of WTS. I have no interest in proving anything to anyone about any aspect of Robin. Remember, I am not the one who dislikes LK for how he feels about Robin - LK seems to be disturbed and possibly no longer my friend as a result of the fact that I accept Robin for something and someone different than LK does. Get it straight Steve, you have reversed the situation and got it wrong. Just for the record I am explaining how things are, for me, not how you perceived them. Even to the point of outing his first name. That was pretty low IMO. Another example of getting it wrong and therefore jumping to a negative conclusion. When you know someone as long as I have known LK it is easy to forget he is not LK but actually (insert his real name here). So, without even realizing it, I guess I used his name at some point, inadvertently. I only know I did it because LK pointed it out to me when we were speaking together. I was shocked and horrified. Luckily he laughed about it and was very good about the whole thing but I was mortified. And I must say, that I can't help but feel that Barry has scored a direct hit when he states that you (and others) listen only to RWC's words and ignore the intent and actions behind those works. RWC says I'm Reformed, and AWB says, PTL, when the rest of the world says, not so fast girlie I don't know what PTL means. Well, the rest of the world is a lot of people for me to disagree with so perhaps I will re-evaluate my stance. I mean, if the rest of the world thinks he is still the same then chances are I am mistaken that he has changed. Thank you for bringing this up, it does deserve serious consideration. The accusation of my giving favored posters a pass? Lookie in the mirror on that one Ann. That's an easy one. So, you can agree that you do this if I do? And perhaps finally, (and because I
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Judy what I notice here is that you do not mention one example of my alleged essence of corruption. And btw you've taken the path of hyperbole before when delivering your supposed truth about me. It falls just as flat as it always has. BTW, yesterday at the post office I ran into someone, not a Dome goer, I respect who's been lurking on FFL from the beginning. They were very helpful in terms of understanding the unhealthy relationship between you and Robin. I was telling them how I was enjoying your philosophical discussions with paligap and Xeno. Then Robin appears and you turn back into a pit bull. Their explanation was that Robin agreed with you about turq and that that is the basis of your friendship. Personally I think there's some previous life stuff going on but that's just speculation on my part. Anyway, I do wish you complete healing, etc. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE This post is a response to LG, but first a quick comment to Share: Share, your post to me just now is the very essence of corruption, all the way through, one steaming, stinking foul shot after another. It makes me want to take a bath just to read it. You are one very, very sick cookie. How you can write something so disgracefully dishonest right after having come from the supposedly purifying atmosphere of the domes is beyond me. If I decide to respond to it, I'll do so on Friday or Saturday. So you can just look forward to that, you hear? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been involved, making it sound shifty. My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more attention to those that probably crave it. Oh, please, how limp an excuse is that? We know who you know who is, of course. But others here refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me. Others here now includes Steve, No, it doesn't. Others refers to people *other than Steve*. Try to keep in mind what you actually wrote. Otherwise it appears you're hastily rewriting after the fact. and also includes me as I've asked Robin on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand Nope, doesn't include you either. And I'd have to see the post in which you purportedly made this request, and what the response was. I don't trust you to report accurately. In any case, this wouldn't fall under your initial no-names premise, which was that people in the know were asked to interpret but *could not do so*. without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. That confuses *you* as to the point he is making. In the know now includes dumbass, See above re Steve. and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on several occasions have indicated that they understand what he has written. Somebody asked them to explain Robin and they could not? Or did you once again miswrite? Let's see, so that's Judy, Ann, RD, Emily, and DrD who are all smarter than LG (and Robin, of course, but he's smarter than all of us, IMO). (snip) It's not deliberate by any means but rather arises from a sense of frustration in not being about to understand what someone is writing. That's honest and straightforward, for a change. But why is it you seem to think it's appropriate to take out that frustration on other people? Are you resentful that they understand what you do not? BTW, Robin's not the only one whose writing I don't get. I'm open to understanding but none of you are helping other than to say get off your ass, put some work into it, or provide links to the posts so we can go back and read them again. Don't you see how circular this is? This is way too vague and muddled for me to address directly. It sure doesn't seem that circular is the word you want. I'll say this, though: It appears to me that quite a few folks on FFL are subject to a sort of learned helplessness when it comes to understanding the posts of people they don't like and/or with whom they don't agree. I personally resent having to waste my time explaining something they're
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laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound. Why can't Robin? Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice. And I actually enjoy all the different writing styles. But if a person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their audience? Especially given that at other times they are able to do so? From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been involved, making it sound shifty. My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more attention to those that probably crave it. We know who you know who is, of course. But others here refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me. Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. In the know now includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on several occasions have indicated that they understand what he has written. Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a huge amount of time explaining Robin to people (including Xeno) who couldn't take the time to read his posts, or at least to put any effort into absorbing what he had said. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really knows what he's talking about. No, there's no such evidence. I think what you mean is that *you* have trouble understanding him. We know he confuses Steve and Xeno and Barry and Share as well, but the five of you aren't everybody. You are correct...I have great trouble understanding him. Too bad as I was really hoping that we had a saint in our midst. Well, that was pretty silly, wasn't it? You know, since Robin himself would be the first person to discourage the notion. Nor did DrD suggest such a thing. Robin is REELY RELY smart, but he ain't no saint. That was the final snarky jab there. While maybe not a saint, I'm always hoping I can learn something from everyone who comments here. Also, it appears neither you nor Steve read what DrD wrote with attention. He was suggesting that folks try validating his analysis of Robin's writing for themselves, not offering to do it for them. Hmm, now I'm beginning to see what's behind this. You and Steve don't want to risk the attempt, because if you tried and couldn't see what DrD describes, you'd be hesitant to report your failure lest it appear that it was due to your lack of comprehension, rather than DrD's analysis being faulty. So your cowardice in this regard leads you to imply that DrD and I have been posturing and that Robin has said nothing of any significance. I would expect that kind of craven maneuver from Steve. I'm surprised to see you engaging in it, LG. It's not deliberate by any means but rather arises from a sense of frustration in not being about to understand what someone is writing. BTW, Robin's not the only one whose writing I don't get. I'm open to understanding but none of you are helping other than to say get off your ass, put some work into it, or provide links to the posts so we can go back and read them again. Don't you see how circular this is? And your explanations are by no means succinct nor easy to understand. Perhaps one of my motives *is* to prove you wrong but for the life of me, I don't know why. I guess I have some work ahead. The really interesting thing is that Robin isn't all that hard to understand for those
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OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, unable to see it. No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words. I will get to your garbage when I have some time. On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound. Why can't Robin? Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice. And I actually enjoy all the different writing styles. But if a person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their audience? Especially given that at other times they are able to do so? From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been involved, making it sound shifty. My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more attention to those that probably crave it. We know who you know who is, of course. But others here refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me. Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. In the know now includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on several occasions have indicated that they understand what he has written. Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a huge amount of time explaining Robin to people (including Xeno) who couldn't take the time to read his posts, or at least to put any effort into absorbing what he had said. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really knows what he's talking about. No, there's no such evidence. I think what you mean is that *you* have trouble understanding him. We know he confuses Steve and Xeno and Barry and Share as well, but the five of you aren't everybody. You are correct...I have great trouble understanding him. Too bad as I was really hoping that we had a saint in our midst. Well, that was pretty silly, wasn't it? You know, since Robin himself would be the first person to discourage the notion. Nor did DrD suggest such a thing. Robin is REELY RELY smart, but he ain't no saint. That was the final snarky jab there. While maybe not a saint, I'm always hoping I can learn something from everyone who comments here. Also, it appears neither you nor Steve read what DrD wrote with attention. He was suggesting that folks try validating his analysis of Robin's writing for themselves, not offering to do it for them. Hmm, now I'm beginning to see what's behind this. You and Steve don't want to risk the attempt, because if you tried and couldn't see what DrD describes, you'd be hesitant to report your failure lest it appear that it was due to your lack of comprehension, rather than DrD's analysis being faulty. So your cowardice in this regard leads you to imply that DrD and I have been posturing and that Robin has said nothing of any significance. I would expect that kind of craven maneuver from Steve. I'm surprised to see you engaging in it, LG. It's not deliberate by any means but rather arises from a sense of frustration in not being about to understand what someone is writing. BTW, Robin's not the only one whose writing I don't get. I'm open
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Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy. But the longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound. And sadly you've just about totally lost your sense of humor. I hope your project there ends soon and you can return home and be happy again. BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words sometimes. I'm talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual oasis. And don't even get me started on the Irony! For that one needs as reading assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one for the Descartian doubt technique meaning. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, unable to see it. No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words. I will get to your garbage when I have some time. On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound. Why can't Robin? Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice. And I actually enjoy all the different writing styles. But if a person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their audience? Especially given that at other times they are able to do so? From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been involved, making it sound shifty. My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more attention to those that probably crave it. We know who you know who is, of course. But others here refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me. Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. In the know now includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on several occasions have indicated that they understand what he has written. Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a huge amount of time explaining Robin to people (including Xeno) who couldn't take the time to read his posts, or at least to put any effort into absorbing what he had said. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really knows what he's talking about. No, there's no such evidence. I think what you mean is that *you* have trouble understanding him. We know he confuses Steve and Xeno and Barry and Share as well, but the five of you aren't everybody. You are correct...I have great trouble understanding him. Too bad as I was really hoping that we had a saint in our midst. Well, that was pretty silly, wasn't it? You know, since Robin himself would be the first person to discourage the notion. Nor did DrD suggest such a thing. Robin is REELY RELY smart, but he ain't no saint. That was the final snarky jab there. While maybe not a saint, I'm always hoping I can learn something
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No it's not being miserable dear Share - it's disgust, pure contempt for vile, vindictive liars and your partner in crime 7R27 - a man who can't answer simple questions of mine and rather resorts to slander - totally devoid of any integrity, intelligence. Robin has explained irony in detail - you are too corrupted, muddled by your sentimentality to understand it. The basic concept is this - you approach someone with sincerity and when you realize the person doesn't get it - for example a sick, corrupted person like you or that slandering retarded friend of yours you are then forced to switch to irony. It's beautiful - I love Robin when he does that. The beauty of his irony, you will never get it but that won't stop you from lying, twisting and manipulating - would it dear Share? On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy. But the longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound. And sadly you've just about totally lost your sense of humor. I hope your project there ends soon and you can return home and be happy again. BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words sometimes. I'm talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual oasis. And don't even get me started on the Irony! For that one needs as reading assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one for the Descartian doubt technique meaning. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, unable to see it. No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words. I will get to your garbage when I have some time. On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound. Why can't Robin? Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice. And I actually enjoy all the different writing styles. But if a person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their audience? Especially given that at other times they are able to do so? From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been involved, making it sound shifty. My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more attention to those that probably crave it. We know who you know who is, of course. But others here refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me. Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. In the know now includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on several occasions have indicated that they understand what he has written. Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a huge amount of time explaining Robin to people
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Dear Share, You are titillated by Guru Xeno's platitude pukes, you are soothed by the idiotic slanderer Steve, you are delighted by Barry's filth and you submit to the authority of His Holiness Curtis - the master of 7 layered deception progressively cruder, baser, grosser. Oh yeah this is making me miserable and causing me to lose my sense of humor - how fucking hilarious LOL. I need to go home where? My home's where I am - anyway I love it when I'm in California, can't see living elsewhere, the cool, dry weather, the blue skies, the rolling hills, the cliffs along the beautiful beaches of the Pacific Ocean. No -this is Ravi's arrogance, contempt and disgust of all things idiotic, vile, vindictive, dishonest. On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: No it's not being miserable dear Share - it's disgust, pure contempt for vile, vindictive liars and your partner in crime 7R27 - a man who can't answer simple questions of mine and rather resorts to slander - totally devoid of any integrity, intelligence. Robin has explained irony in detail - you are too corrupted, muddled by your sentimentality to understand it. The basic concept is this - you approach someone with sincerity and when you realize the person doesn't get it - for example a sick, corrupted person like you or that slandering retarded friend of yours you are then forced to switch to irony. It's beautiful - I love Robin when he does that. The beauty of his irony, you will never get it but that won't stop you from lying, twisting and manipulating - would it dear Share? On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy. But the longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound. And sadly you've just about totally lost your sense of humor. I hope your project there ends soon and you can return home and be happy again. BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words sometimes. I'm talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual oasis. And don't even get me started on the Irony! For that one needs as reading assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one for the Descartian doubt technique meaning. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, unable to see it. No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words. I will get to your garbage when I have some time. On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound. Why can't Robin? Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice. And I actually enjoy all the different writing styles. But if a person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their audience? Especially given that at other times they are able to do so? From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been involved, making it sound shifty. My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more attention
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Steve - I was expecting you wouldn't answer, I'm glad you didn't answer because you could have totally been dishonest like Curtis and Share but you didn't and I don't think you are dishonest like them - so that's good - it hasn't surprised me but I will continue to use it in my arguments :-) On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:36 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: No it's not being miserable dear Share - it's disgust, pure contempt for vile, vindictive liars and your partner in crime 7R27 - a man who can't answer simple questions of mine and rather resorts to slander - totally devoid of any integrity, intelligence. Ravi, Ravi, Ravi. God love ya Ravi. Should I, as an act of mercy respond to this silly demand of yours. Between you and Robin, sheeesh, a guy can't have a moment of peace around here. Ravi, this emulating Robin, in this regard at least, is just not going to work. Just chill out a bit. Relax. Go to a club. Do some shopping. Smell the sandalwood. I don't know, do something. But please give me a pass on the QA. I just can't bring myself to start taking tests again. Robin has explained irony in detail - you are too corrupted, muddled by your sentimentality to understand it. The basic concept is this - you approach someone with sincerity and when you realize the person doesn't get it - for example a sick, corrupted person like you or that slandering retarded friend of yours you are then forced to switch to irony. Well, it's an exclusive club you belong to, Ravi. The RWC Mutual Admiration Society. I suppose Judy is the President, and you are the Secretary. Not sure who the treasurer would be. It's beautiful - I love Robin when he does that. The beauty of his irony, you will never get it but that won't stop you from lying, twisting and manipulating - would it dear Share? Maybe it's time to come up with a RWC Concordance. On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy. But the longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound. And sadly you've just about totally lost your sense of humor. I hope your project there ends soon and you can return home and be happy again. BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words sometimes. I'm talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual oasis. And don't even get me started on the Irony! For that one needs as reading assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one for the Descartian doubt technique meaning. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, unable to see it. No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words. I will get to your garbage when I have some time. On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound. Why can't Robin? Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice. And I actually enjoy all the different writing styles. But if a person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their audience? Especially given that at other times they are able to do so? From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try
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Ha - you don't see any difference in Share's post and some curious questions by MJ? Anyway love to hear on what you think Kali is :-). I know you are not the smartest so here's a clue to help you - Kali's not a vile, vindictive bitch. On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:20 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, you got your Kali out, and I like it immensely. But even your Kali is always tempered with a big dose of realism and compassion. Did you notice the other day when Ravi was conversing with Michael and (to a lesser extent), me in a, what you might call, normal fashion. Just some back and forth. No lording over, no I AM THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, thing going on. I thought it was pretty cool. But I figured it wouldn't last long, and sure enough, it didn't. I'm gonna go back and read his comment that elicited this response on your part. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy. But the longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound. And sadly you've just about totally lost your sense of humor. I hope your project there ends soon and you can return home and be happy again. BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words sometimes. I'm talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual oasis. And don't even get me started on the Irony! For that one needs as reading assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one for the Descartian doubt technique meaning. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE  OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, unable to see it. No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words. I will get to your garbage when I have some time. On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:  laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound. Why can't Robin? Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice. And I actually enjoy all the different writing styles. But if a person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their audience? Especially given that at other times they are able to do so?   From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been involved, making it sound shifty. My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more attention to those that probably crave it. We know who you know who is, of course. But others here refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me. Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. In the know now includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on several occasions have indicated that they understand what he has written. Here's what really
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On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: snip My home's where I am - anyway I love it when I'm in California, can't see living elsewhere, the cool, dry weather, the blue skies, the rolling hills, the cliffs along the beautiful beaches of the Pacific Ocean. Focus on this Ravi. Let it grow in your life. You'll thank me, you'll bless me. LOL - no need to grow, all that natural beauty seems to extend and mirror my inner silence and beauty. And I'm too attached to California's beauty because this is what I focussed on while mystically, manically intoxicated. Just as Ramana was with that mountain Arunachala - but ultimately it's just a mountain.
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On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:06 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Ha - you don't see any difference in Share's post and some curious questions by MJ? Anyway love to hear on what you think Kali is :-). I know you are not the smartest so here's a clue to help you - Kali's not a vile, vindictive bitch. Excellent Ravi. Excellent. See, you're not as dimwitted as some people make you out to be. And I'm going to point this out when people accuse you so. Yes I am. You are cracking me up Steve - I have never met people like that, not even remotely, regardless of whether they love or hate me. But of course some idiots like you may want to really convince themselves, I say all power to you - whatever helps you cope :-) You never answer my question - so again - oh Steve baby enlighten us on Kali - clue, she's not a vile, vindictive bitch. On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:20 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Share, you got your Kali out, and I like it immensely. But even your Kali is always tempered with a big dose of realism and compassion. Did you notice the other day when Ravi was conversing with Michael and (to a lesser extent), me in a, what you might call, normal fashion. Just some back and forth. No lording over, no I AM THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, thing going on. I thought it was pretty cool. But I figured it wouldn't last long, and sure enough, it didn't. I'm gonna go back and read his comment that elicited this response on your part. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy. But the longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound. And sadly you've just about totally lost your sense of humor. I hope your project there ends soon and you can return home and be happy again. BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words sometimes. I'm talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual oasis. And don't even get me started on the Irony! For that one needs as reading assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one for the Descartian doubt technique meaning. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE  OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, unable to see it. No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words. I will get to your garbage when I have some time. On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:  laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound. Why can't Robin? Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice. And I actually enjoy all the different writing styles. But if a person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their audience? Especially given that at other times they are able to do so?   From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 wrote: Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
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On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:04 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Steve - I was expecting you wouldn't answer, I'm glad you didn't answer because you could have totally been dishonest like Curtis and Share but you didn't and I don't think you are dishonest like them - so that's good - it hasn't surprised me but I will continue to use it in my arguments :-) No! No!. Tell me you're kidding! You can't mean this. You mean I'm going to have to live with this albatross around my neck. A scarlet letter of sorts! You're cruel Ravi. Cruel, Cruel Cruel!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcdQk7JBPzQ This is the first I have been accused of cruel for not labeling someone as dishonest LOL. I admire your loyalty Steve :-)
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On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:13 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: snip My home's where I am - anyway I love it when I'm in California, can't see living elsewhere, the cool, dry weather, the blue skies, the rolling hills, the cliffs along the beautiful beaches of the Pacific Ocean. Focus on this Ravi. Let it grow in your life. You'll thank me, you'll bless me. LOL - no need to grow, all that natural beauty seems to extend and mirror my inner silence and beauty. And I'm too attached to California's beauty because this is what I focussed on while mystically, manically intoxicated. Just as Ramana was with that mountain Arunachala - but ultimately it's just a mountain. An apt comparison. Ravi and Ramana? does this deserve a guffaw, or an pppsie, or maybe a reallly, reaaly, something What was it Lloyd Bentsen said, Senator, you're no John Kennedy (look it up Rav) P.S. Love ya like a brother! You are right Steve baby - Ramana's too retarded for me, a starving, life-abnegating man admired by starving, ignorant, uneducated people.
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Beautiful picture Stevie - what an uncanny, striking resemblance to Judy - damn !!! On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:09 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Gonna tell you right now Ravi. This is my kinda woman! And I'll tell you what brotha, you couldn't handle her, no way, no how. So just step aside and let those who are able take care of business. Stay at a safe distance, and I'll fill you in on any details. I don't want you to get hurt. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:06 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Ha - you don't see any difference in Share's post and some curious questions by MJ? Anyway love to hear on what you think Kali is :-). I know you are not the smartest so here's a clue to help you - Kali's not a vile, vindictive bitch. Excellent Ravi. Excellent. See, you're not as dimwitted as some people make you out to be. And I'm going to point this out when people accuse you so. Yes I am. You are cracking me up Steve - I have never met people like that, not even remotely, regardless of whether they love or hate me. But of course some idiots like you may want to really convince themselves, I say all power to you - whatever helps you cope :-) You never answer my question - so again - oh Steve baby enlighten us on Kali - clue, she's not a vile, vindictive bitch. On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:20 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Share, you got your Kali out, and I like it immensely. But even your Kali is always tempered with a big dose of realism and compassion. Did you notice the other day when Ravi was conversing with Michael and (to a lesser extent), me in a, what you might call, normal fashion. Just some back and forth. No lording over, no I AM THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, thing going on. I thought it was pretty cool. But I figured it wouldn't last long, and sure enough, it didn't. I'm gonna go back and read his comment that elicited this response on your part. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy. But the longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound. And sadly you've just about totally lost your sense of humor. I hope your project there ends soon and you can return home and be happy again. BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words sometimes. I'm talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual oasis. And don't even get me started on the Irony! For that one needs as reading assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one for the Descartian doubt technique meaning. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE  OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, unable to see it. No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words. I will get to your garbage when I have some time. On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:  laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound. Why can't Robin? Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice. And I actually enjoy all the different writing styles. But if a person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their audience? Especially given that at other times they are able to do so?   From: laughinggull108 no_re
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Regardless that's mighty generous of you to post that picture demonstrating Kali would be like Judy and not some random vile, vindictive bitch. It's been such a positive day for you - this and your loyalty, where you took offense at not being labeled dishonest so as to not offend your idols - Share and Curtis. Very admirable qualities Steve baby, you have touched my heart !!! On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:15 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.comwrote: ** You would say that Ravi. She's not nearly as attractive as Judy. No accounting for taste. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Beautiful picture Stevie - what an uncanny, striking resemblance to Judy - damn !!! On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:09 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Gonna tell you right now Ravi. This is my kinda woman! And I'll tell you what brotha, you couldn't handle her, no way, no how. So just step aside and let those who are able take care of business. Stay at a safe distance, and I'll fill you in on any details. I don't want you to get hurt. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:06 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Ha - you don't see any difference in Share's post and some curious questions by MJ? Anyway love to hear on what you think Kali is :-). I know you are not the smartest so here's a clue to help you - Kali's not a vile, vindictive bitch. Excellent Ravi. Excellent. See, you're not as dimwitted as some people make you out to be. And I'm going to point this out when people accuse you so. Yes I am. You are cracking me up Steve - I have never met people like that, not even remotely, regardless of whether they love or hate me. But of course some idiots like you may want to really convince themselves, I say all power to you - whatever helps you cope :-) You never answer my question - so again - oh Steve baby enlighten us on Kali - clue, she's not a vile, vindictive bitch. On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:20 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@wrote: Share, you got your Kali out, and I like it immensely. But even your Kali is always tempered with a big dose of realism and compassion. Did you notice the other day when Ravi was conversing with Michael and (to a lesser extent), me in a, what you might call, normal fashion. Just some back and forth. No lording over, no I AM THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, thing going on. I thought it was pretty cool. But I figured it wouldn't last long, and sure enough, it didn't. I'm gonna go back and read his comment that elicited this response on your part. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy. But the longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound. And sadly you've just about totally lost your sense of humor. I hope your project there ends soon and you can return home and be happy again. BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words sometimes. I'm talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual oasis. And don't even get me started on the Irony! For that one needs as reading assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one for the Descartian doubt technique meaning. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE  OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, unable to see it. No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words. I will get to your garbage when I have some time. On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:  laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing.Ã
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Doc, About Robin as chief geologist, I've rather been thinking of Robin's approach as surgery or chemo which harms some healthy cells in those like Curtis who aren't totally aligned with Robin. And Judy IMO demonstrates the other flaw in Robin's approach. Which is that it misses or strengthens the unhealthy cells in those who do align themselves with him and to the extent to which they align themselves with him. I'd add that as time goes by, that presence of unhealthy cells becomes more the responsibility of the person who has them rather than the person who initially missed and or strengthened them. I've been fortunate to have healers who aim for no unnecessary pain, a phrase I first heard in Waking Down groups. I think really good healers encourage the client to actively participate in the healing process, even and especially if it involves questioning the approaches used by the healer. Actually I think this questioning is an essential part of human development, both for the client and even for the healer. Maybe if someone had questioned Robin sooner, maybe he wouldn't have needed to suffer for 26 years after WTS. Ultimately I think it's possible to grow and be comfortable both and I think life is perfect at figuring that out for us. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and metamorphic rocks. Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's consciousness. For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed. This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions, jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction. Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not like such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination. So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can argue for its discomfort, and both are correct. Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for meaning and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who continually avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek personal truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Thank you Judy for laying it out again. I think one thing you may miss is that interactions often start out friendly. We often give one another the benefit of the doubt. But then, often the exchange starts to escalate and the more friendly banter becomes less so. So it is entirely possible that this is the case here. But over and above this, there are some that feel that Robin has the skill of zeroing in on people's blind spots, or unwillingness to acknowledge reality and bring them around to a truer picture of things. And then there are others that feel he is engaging in an unwelcome agenda of pushing his notion of what is real, or the truth, with no real interest in a dialogue. And those people may feel that it was exactly what they experiened first hand many years ago, or may feel that it seems exactly as they have understood it to be from those many years ago. Robin has stated that he had come up with a sure fire, infallable method of determining the reality of any situation. Do you remember that? It turns out that it was his entirely subjective determination of reality. Does that alone not sound sort of weird, and raise some flags? Dear Steve. I do not believe you could be objective about this subject if your life depended upon it. This is part of what makes you loyal and a champion and (here is where the other side comes in, as it usually does) what makes you less credible. Loyalty is good to a point, constancy can be a marvellous attribute. But you also have to have an ability to know when your friends may have overstepped the line. You have to come to know when gently realizing and bringing to a friend's attention the reality
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Are we clear now, Jude? This is not Jude but Ann that you are yelling at. We know you are being paranoid when you are yelling at the wrong person LOL. You promised you were going to try having a life Barry. Is Paris not treating you well? Any issues still renting? Talk to me baby. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 11:18 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: And then there were two. I wonder what the chances are for three? Four? Eleven? Not much chance of the count going over four at this point. And as usual, the feedback provided to the instigator of all this hatred goes completely over her head, and is perceived as just another opportunity to try to lure both of us (and Share, her other enemie de la semaine who I forgot to include in my earlier posts) into extended tarbaby arguments with her. One has to wonder about a life so empty and so bitter that this is her only recreation. Well, I'm tired of it. There is nothing I can do to keep any of the four or five of them from posting what they want about me here, but there IS something I can do to try to persuade Judy to give up these attempts to get me to argue with her and refute or defend myself against her now 17-years-and-counting attacks on me. Here it is, in the clearest language I can manage, written last night but not sent because of a faulty Net connection: Because Judy seems to still labor under the delusion that I feel she is worth arguing with, I will indeed reply to her, but not quite in the way she expects. I apologize in advance to those here who will feign affront or indignation at the way I am going to phrase this, but from my point of view I am dealing with an insane person who JUST DOESN'T GET IT, so I'm going to have to put things in language that even *she* might understand. Maybe. If the person who is trying her best to get me to argue with her to defend myself against her lame-o attacks thinks she will succeed, she has *seriously* missed who I am and what I think of her. Allow me to explain, to hopefully put an end to this embar- rassing (on her part) ego-posturing: If I were out in the woods, say at a rough it camp or a military bivouac, I might encounter the...uh... primitive sanitary devices that are constructed in such sites. For example, feeling the call of nature (a #2 experience, in TMO terms), I might find my way to a long latrine trench dug in the dirt, over which one squats on makeshift seats constructed of sticks bound together with twine, upon which one rests one's butt while...uh...doing one's business. If, finding myself perched on one of these devices, I looked down and found Judy Stein immediately below me at the bottom of the trench, rather than take a dump on her I would compassionately get up and move to a seat at the other end of the trench. The compassion in this case would not be for her, but for my own shit. I could not take the chance of it being fouled and its vibe being lowered as the result of coming into contact with Judy Stein. Are we clear now, Jude?
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That was hilarious dear RD - we could be dealing with a homeopathic killer, LOL. Missing your talents here in the bullring :-) https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/480738_499390406788328_649526349_n.jpg On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 9:46 AM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Continuing on from my previous post - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/340991 I was totally puzzled, whether to laugh uproariously or cringe in embarrassment at your hilarious message dear Share. Clearly as referenced in my earlier post - your lame pathetic attempt to prop up your dear idiotic Steve and his St Louis Idiots team? Or is St Louis Stupids? The latter rhymes better. Divine Mother is a metaphor for courage, wisdom, bravery, strength, Divine Mother revels in conflict, can't you see Mother Kali, the mother of the shadow, one who rises to bliss conquering the shadow energies, the one who has collected the garland of demon heads of lust, anger, attachment, pride, greed, jealousy, hatred. The Divine Mother wouldn't maddeningly alternate between being submissive to men and bursting into a paranoid rage accusing them of psychological rape. Not someone who would use philosophy and religion as a cover for their deception. Not someone running between healers, Gurus, channelers,light workers - this new age paradigm, to project superficial, inauthentic positives to hide from conflict, from reality. You are not alone here, majority at Amma as well. Watch this Indy movie, or at least the trailer - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1577052 - a hilarious caricature of a New Age woman in there, I loved it - reminded me of you and all other folks at Amma. https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/480738_499390406788328_649526349_n.jpg Judy, Ann, RD, Emily yeah - they all have qualities that are metaphorical representation of the divine Mother but you are seriously deluded if you attribute it to yourself or Stupid Sal's or Stupid Susan's. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: ** Which reminds me that the Nine Days of Mother Divine begin tomorrow. Here in this FFL corner we have Team Steve, the St. Louis Lovlies: Sal Sunshine as Durga; Share as Lakshmi and Susan as Saraswati. In the other corner we have Team Ravi, the San Diego Dolls: Judy as Durga, Ann as Lakshmi and Emily as Saraswati. It is noted that the Dolls have a deeper bench with Raunchy and Obbajeeba and Carol. What can we say? Unfathomable karma! -- *From:* seventhray27 steve.sundur@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:39 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Ravi, are you crying? You sound like you are crying. Everything is fine. I still love you. Devi still loves you. All is well, my little child. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:24 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: Is it - what do you think about attributing someone's behavior to BDSM rituals and labels from DSM? Emily shows lot of intelligence, sensitivity behind her observations not idiotic reactive garbage like yours. What were you saying now? Remember my rap from yesterday. That your brazen, callously idiotic reactive posts creating the illusion that someone like you and your posts somehow demand an equal footing? Did you read the last two posts of Emily before today? The intelligence, sensitivity she displays even for someone like Curtis? She is a strong, mature, intelligent woman but that feminine sensitivity, love, forgiveness that came through in her posts? I was impressed - something for me to emulate as a man. Contrast that with your pack leader's rabid responses to Ann and Emily. Get it? Take your time, I have a lot of understanding for your disability. On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com
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Thanks so much for your nurturing words feste. Big karmic burn happening. All support appreciated. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Accuracy is only part of it, Ann; the rest is interpretation. You can be technically accurate and still present a very biased view of something. In the case in point, it is not at all about communicating, but rather about one person's desire to win and prove herself right. Actually, it's about one person's desire to expose the malicious motivations and deceptive behavior of another poster here as he tries to smear three other posters. That's an attitude that works against real communication. If you look at any of this poster's responses to Share, for example, they are nothing to do with being accurate. They are intended to browbeat and humiliate. Yeah, ain't it awful? After all, Share's posts are always shining examples of real communication and never have anything to do with winning and proving herself right. Right, feste? Correct. I think Share does try her best to communicate. I think she has tried to communicate with you. She has actually been quite gentle and sometimes even playful with you, in spite of your persistent nastiness and confrontational attitude toward her. You could learn a lot from Share if you could free yourself from your obsessions.
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Yes I agree with you seventhray27 - considering the person's qualities you describe Judy was very reasonable. On Apr 15, 2013, at 4:53 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh my. I missed this earlier in the day. Barry, Barry, you were right. It's not about defending x,y, or z. It's really about a very demented, pinched, and unhappy person. My compassion reaches out to her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Thanks so much for your nurturing words feste. Big karmic burn happening. About time some of the rotten karma you've accumulated here started burning you. Let's hope you learn something from it. All support appreciated. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Accuracy is only part of it, Ann; the rest is interpretation. You can be technically accurate and still present a very biased view of something. In the case in point, it is not at all about communicating, but rather about one person's desire to win and prove herself right. Actually, it's about one person's desire to expose the malicious motivations and deceptive behavior of another poster here as he tries to smear three other posters. That's an attitude that works against real communication. If you look at any of this poster's responses to Share, for example, they are nothing to do with being accurate. They are intended to browbeat and humiliate. Yeah, ain't it awful? After all, Share's posts are always shining examples of real communication and never have anything to do with winning and proving herself right. Right, feste? Correct. I think Share does try her best to communicate. I think she has tried to communicate with you. She has actually been quite gentle and sometimes even playful with you, in spite of your persistent nastiness and confrontational attitude toward her. You could learn a lot from Share if you could free yourself from your obsessions.
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Continuing on from my previous post - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/340991 I was totally puzzled, whether to laugh uproariously or cringe in embarrassment at your hilarious message dear Share. Clearly as referenced in my earlier post - your lame pathetic attempt to prop up your dear idiotic Steve and his St Louis Idiots team? Or is St Louis Stupids? The latter rhymes better. Divine Mother is a metaphor for courage, wisdom, bravery, strength, Divine Mother revels in conflict, can't you see Mother Kali, the mother of the shadow, one who rises to bliss conquering the shadow energies, the one who has collected the garland of demon heads of lust, anger, attachment, pride, greed, jealousy, hatred. The Divine Mother wouldn't maddeningly alternate between being submissive to men and bursting into a paranoid rage accusing them of psychological rape. Not someone who would use philosophy and religion as a cover for their deception. Not someone running between healers, Gurus, channelers,light workers - this new age paradigm, to project superficial, inauthentic positives to hide from conflict, from reality. You are not alone here, majority at Amma as well. Watch this Indy movie, or at least the trailer - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1577052 - a hilarious caricature of a New Age woman in there, I loved it - reminded me of you and all other folks at Amma. Judy, Ann, RD, Emily yeah - they all have qualities that are metaphorical representation of the divine Mother but you are seriously deluded if you attribute it to yourself or Stupid Sal's or Stupid Susan's. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Which reminds me that the Nine Days of Mother Divine begin tomorrow. Here in this FFL corner we have Team Steve, the St. Louis Lovlies: Sal Sunshine as Durga; Share as Lakshmi and Susan as Saraswati. In the other corner we have Team Ravi, the San Diego Dolls: Judy as Durga, Ann as Lakshmi and Emily as Saraswati. It is noted that the Dolls have a deeper bench with Raunchy and Obbajeeba and Carol. What can we say? Unfathomable karma! -- *From:* seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:39 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Ravi, are you crying? You sound like you are crying. Everything is fine. I still love you. Devi still loves you. All is well, my little child. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:24 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: Is it - what do you think about attributing someone's behavior to BDSM rituals and labels from DSM? Emily shows lot of intelligence, sensitivity behind her observations not idiotic reactive garbage like yours. What were you saying now? Remember my rap from yesterday. That your brazen, callously idiotic reactive posts creating the illusion that someone like you and your posts somehow demand an equal footing? Did you read the last two posts of Emily before today? The intelligence, sensitivity she displays even for someone like Curtis? She is a strong, mature, intelligent woman but that feminine sensitivity, love, forgiveness that came through in her posts? I was impressed - something for me to emulate as a man. Contrast that with your pack leader's rabid responses to Ann and Emily. Get it? Take your time, I have a lot of understanding for your disability. On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny
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Ravi you have your preferences and prejudices regarding FFL posters just as we all do. That you're a Telugu Brahmin doesn't IMO make your preferences and prejudices more truthful or right. I like what Xeno said this morning: Right and wrong is our delusion. Life does not care, it just goes on, like a roller coaster; you can hang on for dear life, or relax and enjoy the view, as much as that is feasible. Our concern might be best served by not attempting to adjust our life in relation to other persons or views, but in attempting to discover the source of our own discontent, which exists in our mind only. I was having similar thoughts in the Dome this morning. But maybe it was just the propofol (-: From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Continuing on from my previous post - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/340991 I was totally puzzled, whether to laugh uproariously or cringe in embarrassment at your hilarious message dear Share. Clearly as referenced in my earlier post - your lame pathetic attempt to prop up your dear idiotic Steve and his St Louis Idiots team? Or is St Louis Stupids? The latter rhymes better. Divine Mother is a metaphor for courage, wisdom, bravery, strength, Divine Mother revels in conflict, can't you see Mother Kali, the mother of the shadow, one who rises to bliss conquering the shadow energies, the one who has collected the garland of demon heads of lust, anger, attachment, pride, greed, jealousy, hatred. The Divine Mother wouldn't maddeningly alternate between being submissive to men and bursting into a paranoid rage accusing them of psychological rape. Not someone who would use philosophy and religion as a cover for their deception. Not someone running between healers, Gurus, channelers,light workers - this new age paradigm, to project superficial, inauthentic positives to hide from conflict, from reality. You are not alone here, majority at Amma as well. Watch this Indy movie, or at least the trailer - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1577052 - a hilarious caricature of a New Age woman in there, I loved it - reminded me of you and all other folks at Amma. Judy, Ann, RD, Emily yeah - they all have qualities that are metaphorical representation of the divine Mother but you are seriously deluded if you attribute it to yourself or Stupid Sal's or Stupid Susan's. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Which reminds me that the Nine Days of Mother Divine begin tomorrow. Here in this FFL corner we have Team Steve, the St. Louis Lovlies: Sal Sunshine as Durga; Share as Lakshmi and Susan as Saraswati. In the other corner we have Team Ravi, the San Diego Dolls: Judy as Durga, Ann as Lakshmi and Emily as Saraswati. It is noted that the Dolls have a deeper bench with Raunchy and Obbajeeba and Carol. What can we say? Unfathomable karma! From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Ravi, are you crying? You sound like you are crying. Everything is fine. I still love you. Devi still loves you. All is well, my little child. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:24 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Is it - what do you think about attributing someone's behavior to BDSM rituals and labels from DSM? Emily shows lot of intelligence, sensitivity behind her observations not idiotic reactive garbage like yours. What were you saying now? Remember my rap from yesterday. That your brazen, callously idiotic reactive posts creating the illusion that someone like you and your posts somehow demand an equal footing? Did you read the last two posts of Emily before today? The intelligence, sensitivity she displays even for someone like Curtis? She is a strong, mature, intelligent woman but that feminine sensitivity, love, forgiveness that came through in her posts? I was impressed - something for me to emulate as a man. Contrast that with your pack leader's rabid responses to Ann and Emily. Get it? Take your time, I have a lot of understanding for your disability. On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn
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Hi Doc, what did it for me was when the Catholic Church declared that it was no longer a mortal sin to eat meat on Friday. I was only 17 but a big red flag started waving in my head, wondering: last week if a person ate meat on Friday and died before confessing it, they went to hell for all eternity?! But this week, not so much?! That was the beginning of the end, the final straw being when I heard about the Inquisition in a World History class at Univ of MD. As for supposed authority figures nowadays, I go by their vibe, by how grounded and compassionate they feel to me. Lots of teachers and healers with these qualities come to FF. I feel fortunate. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 10:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Remember that bumper sticker, Question Authority? Excellent advice. I was brought up in a very much roll your own environment, where a relationship had to be successfully developed with another country and culture every three years, for my first twenty. Pop Quiz. So I learned from an early age to assess what was going on around me, and what I had to deal with, vs. the voices of authority (parents, teachers, gurus, bosses, cops), telling me what I should, or should not do. I didn't always get it right on my own, but it gave me a healthy respect for my observations, vs. acting on someone else's story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: Thanks for chiming in Curtis. I am making no definitive conclusions. And yes, I have more than Judy's filter to assess you (or anyone) and more than others' filters to assess Judy. I prefer to not assess at all; but alas, that is part of our humanity and we all do it in some degree each day. I know you have nothing to do with Knapp. My working through my experience with Knapp is my own; it happens to have come up as I was lurking in on the recent conversations and then when Judy brought up parts of the history behind those conversations. Knapp did a true mindfuck on me and, for good and/or bad, it affected me...especially regarding online relationships. It affected how I approach those relationships. For awhile, I dropped out of online activity; even thought about deleting all my blogs and just disappearing into 3-D life. (Which I probably will some day, but I want it to be on my timetable and not pushed there in a reaction to someone else.) I hope, in the long wrong, I am able to make Knapp's affect on my psyche a good one. That said, it would take a whole lot for me to ever trust anything (and I mean anything) the man states. I don't take Judy's perspective as some clear truth. (I'm not saying that you think I do. I'm just addressing your statement.) I do take Judy's perspective (and her digging up the history with links) into account; as stated, I trust her and her opinions do hold weight for me. Barry's opinions hold zero weight and that is not because of Judy but because of my observations of and interactions with Barry on FFL. (I'm sure Barry will loose no sleep over my statement, if he even reads it.) Your perspective holds weight with me too. You come across to me as reasonable. That said, Knapp came across to me as such...and thus I have little flags that go off. (Not that I believe those flags, but I've learned to not ignore them.) I have no place in this 'battle' (for lack of a better word). I hesitated whether or not to post anything at all. I knew I would make myself vulnerable when I did. I decided for my own growth (as selfish as that is), the vulnerability was worth any perceived so-called risk. If I want to reach definitive conclusions about all these relationships and peoples' characters, it would take much more reading on my part; something I don't have the energy or time to do currently. Even then, I don't know if I would reach a definitive judgment. There is usually a million things behind the scenes that is not expressed or known. I do take online relationships as authentically as I am able to. Behind the keyboard is a real person with a real heart and an abundance of life experiences. I can only speculate a person's intent (unless I know the person..and even then..I could be wrong). If a person means ill will and if their intent is to harm and use others as merchandise, eventually that may come out. People who have such intentions have to look in their own mirror each day. I haven't gotten the impression that your intent is ill will; nor have I gotten that impression of Judy. Thanks again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Carol I believe you have a much better way to asses the kind of person I am beyond Judy's filter. I have
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Reality #1: I was replying to turq, not to Curtis. Reality #2: I don't know what it means when you put the word check between asterisks. Reality #3: I don't equate checking archives with a willingness to find reality. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 1:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: What I remember is that Robin initially posted a one big paragraph post but then added paragraph breaks after people requested that. No, you'd be remembering incorrectly. Not a good idea to assume Curtis's remarks about Robin are reliable, especially those he makes when Robin isn't around. It's not difficult to *check* these things, you know. Finding Robin's initial posts in the archive takes about 30 seconds and requires no technical skill, just the will to find out what the reality is.
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oh dear Judy I think you have participated in the Centrifuge Brain Project one too many times otherwise you would not be claiming to know what I was aware of at the moment that I wrote my reply to turq. Nor would you be claiming to know what I don't understand about a convention used on FFL. Nor would you be claiming to know the contents of anyone's thought processes other than your own. If that, wicked grin. oh dear Judy, archives are a record. They are not reality. But you already knew that. Hopefully. From the thread called a TM poster boy's eulogy: Salyavin: It's all globby and whirly and we are all going to have to deal with it sooner or later. Judy: We can't deal with it until we realize the nature of the problem. Share: Judy may be a hard nosed philosopher but here she seems unable to follow salyavin's logic, albeit couched in a colorful phrase. Isn't he saying that the nature of the problem IS that it's all globby and whirly? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 1:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: [SHARE]ality #1: I was replying to turq, not to Curtis. Oh, dear, Share, that's a very bad start. You were responding to a post of Barry's *in which he quoted Curtis*, so you were aware of what Curtis had said and thought you'd help him out by supporting it. [SHARE]ality #2: I don't know what it means when you put the word check between asterisks. And this puts you even further back. You've encountered this convention over and over on FFL and never had any difficulty understanding what it meant. [SHARE]ality #3: I don't equate checking archives with a willingness to find reality. No, I don't imagine you would. You'd rather go with the SHAREality you make up in your head, even when it's contradicted by the actual reality of what's in the archives. Or *especially* when it's contradicted by what's in the archives. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 1:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: What I remember is that Robin initially posted a one big paragraph post but then added paragraph breaks after people requested that. No, you'd be remembering incorrectly. Not a good idea to assume Curtis's remarks about Robin are reliable, especially those he makes when Robin isn't around. It's not difficult to *check* these things, you know. Finding Robin's initial posts in the archive takes about 30 seconds and requires no technical skill, just the will to find out what the reality is.
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Thanks for this, you knew Curtis was twisting here since they were full of mutual admiration back then. Robin was certainly a very fascinating character but I couldn't understand Robin's fascination and admiration for Curtis when he came on board but then figured he would have to figure Curtis out for himself, which he did. I don't believe you and I ever interfered in their correspondence, I certainly never did and had zero interest in their dialogue at that point - I used to be too high anyway. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** In my earlier post dissecting Curtis's long post to Barry about Robin and Ann, I identified one HUGE lie from Curtis and promised to make a separate post about it. This is the massive lie: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: (snippola) My initial motivation for interacting with Robin was to see how a cult leader thought. At first he seemed to have a cool perspective on his previous life. I believe that my misread of his meaning when he made a big fuss about me NEVER questioning his enlightenment experience was pivotal. I thought he was doing schtick on being sensitive about it. He was not. When he sussed out that I was not gunna buy his interpretation of his glorious previous state of mind he turned on me. Curtis had said the same thing directly to Robin near the beginning of their most recent exchange: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: (snip) I have never gotten back to a trusting sincere space with you. It's funny, I was looking at some old posts from our beginning run and there was a comment you made that at the time I think I took completely the wrong way. You were saying that the one thing I must never do is question your enlightenment in the past. I realized now that I thought you were being snarky and self-effacing, making a joke about insisting that I take that seriously, you know wink, wink, nudge, nudge style. I thought it meant that you were beyond taking that part of your life seriously. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/339021 I'm going to respond to that earlier post: Yes, very funny, especially since it isn't true, Curtis. I looked up the post. I gather you didn't expect anyone to do that. In fact, Robin was indeed kidding about your not questioning his enlightenment--but not because he himself didn't take his enlightenment seriously. He was well aware that it was unlikely others, especially you, would do so. However, if you believed (mistakenly) at the time that he was beyond taking it seriously himself, as you claim, that was in no way reflected in your response. I don't think you did believe that. I think the purpose of the paragraph I quoted above was to try to make him look like a jerk by pretending he had made a big fuss about [you] NEVER questioning his enlightenment experience. Here's what he actually wrote: It's going to be fun, Curtis. I appreciate the warning and the hidden admonition. But don't you DARE question the truth of my enlightenment, OK? That's where we part company. Just be as flattering, fawning, and sycophantic as you can. When it comes to my beautiful achievement of Unity Consciousness. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280412 You knew exactly where he was coming from: he fully expected you to try to refute his claim--the phrasing I just quoted is obviously ironic--but he wasn't about to back down from it. And *that* is what your response reflected: I don't question that you had a shift of your internal state that was radical enough for you to associate it with the terms Maharishi used for higher states. My experience of the term is based on my own experiences with his programs, so we may differ on what we mean by the term 'enlightenment'. I'm not sure how clear Maharishi himself was on the concept of it or what he was experiencing. I am interested to understand the reasons you came to that conclusion, and whether or not there were reasons that would be compelling to someone else, like me. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280422 There's not a thing wrong with what you said in that quote. The deception is in your saying *now* that you thought *at the time* that he was beyond taking that part of [his] life seriously. Obviously you understood, then, that he *did* take it seriously. Equally obviously, however, he had no problem with your being skeptical. He's known from the start that it was extremely unlikely folks would accept that he'd been in Unity Consciousness simply on the basis of his say-so. By the same token, he wasn't going to *retract* his claim on the basis of somebody's unbelief. Again, Curtis, Robin's claim to enlightenment was *not* the basis of your disagreement and ultimately the collapse of your friendship.
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Hi Carol - this was a very beautiful post, lot of intelligence in it. I have talked about this before - the strength of Judy is her clear intellect - this amazing ability to detect inconsistencies even from online posts and her ability to not let any discomfort, bias of her own in expressing what she believes to be right. And I have actual experience, evidence of this back from Dec 2011 And to comment on one of you lines I thought how I sometimes long for innocence and wish to be an ostrich...as trite and childish as that may sound. Yes innocence will inevitably be lost - but there does exist a state where innocence is regained - a beautiful state of vulnerability where one is innocent and also totally aware of that innocence. And the way is not to be an Ostrich and not let any discomfort, bias, fear, insecurity of our own in confronting the truth and letting that pain, suffering lead us to that state. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Carol jchwe...@gmail.com wrote: ** I'm only a lurker in this dialog. I haven't read all the exchanges that have gone on in the latest conflict. Until these last few posts, I knew next to nothing about what you have expounded here Judy. Thanks for filling in some history for me. I don't know if I will go back and read all of the recent conflict or the prior history, but at least I have a place to start if I decide to. Reading the bit I have as I have lurked, the dialog is all too familiar within the anti-cult circles I've had brushes with. Projection. Sidestepping accountability for one's words. Speculating of other people's motives. As I've read, I've not been sure who to believe and wondered why I even care. I thought how I sometimes long for innocence and wish to be an ostrich...as trite and childish as that may sound. I wrote some thoughts earlier after reading Judy's initial post today, trying to work through some of the muddle in my own head as I've read bits of this recent conflict. In writing those thoughts, I wondered why am I muddled? Why does this stuff even matter to me? Should I state anything publicly? Will I sound foolish? What if I do sound foolish, what difference does it really make? Has some of the dialog 'triggered' my own stuff that I am still working through after my involvement in a 'cult' and certain anti-cult 'cults?' I questioned my own biases and fairness. Do I judge other's motives? How much do I project? How much do my biases play into reading others? Like others, my own experiences have caused me to be less trusting of others; I already had been well trained to not trust my self and was gaining much ground in that area until the Knapp crap. I have picked up many of those pieces, but reading this recent dialog brought some of that stuff up again. Years ago, Judy had read Knapp correctly and called him out. I won't go into how I had rationalized the Knapp I thought I knew when I first came to FFL in 2010(?) or maybe it was 2009(?) and read some of Judy's posts calling Knapp out. I would never (at that time) have imagined she would be so spot on. But she was. Could she be right again? I'll stop here... A few of my muddled thoughts...for what they're worth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Thanks for this, you knew Curtis was twisting here since they were full of mutual admiration back then. Robin was certainly a very fascinating character but I couldn't understand Robin's fascination and admiration for Curtis when he came on board but then figured he would have to figure Curtis out for himself, which he did. Curtis was on his very best behavior, at his most charming, with Robin at first. Their dialogue was really scintillating, some of the best I've seen on any Web forum. It was beautiful to see how much Robin was enjoying himself after his bleak quarter-century in virtual exile. He just expanded like a flower. I had no clue what was going to happen down the road. Even after they first began to fall out, reading their exchanges was like watching a highly competitive contest between two extremely skilled players. After each post, you couldn't wait to see how the other guy could possibly top it. I don't believe you and I ever interfered in their correspondence, I certainly never did At one point toward the end I became a topic of their arguments, and I had to step in and correct some things Curtis said about me that were not accurate. But otherwise I just soaked up their brilliance. and had zero interest in their dialogue at that point - I used to be too high anyway. Yeah, you were doing your own thing. If you ever have a dull patch, though, go back and take a look at their exchanges. Terrifically entertaining, and heart-wrenching to watch it crash and burn.
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Nothing astonishing and peculiar about your post - you show zero intelligence and effort in understanding any of the conflict here, you have strong opinions even as you admit that you don't have time to read any of the posts. No worries you have company - you and Steve should interact more. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:45 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: ** It's astonishing to me that anyone would care so much, and put so much time into it. I find it bizarre and obsessive. Most peculiar. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: One thing I will say. No one can best Judy at analysis, sticking to facts or ultimately backing them up. You know why? Not because she is necessarily smarter, not because she is better at knowing how to access archives but because she doesn't appear to have a lazy bone in her body. Caring has something to do with it as well. Caring about accuracy and reality as it stands here, in print, in English, here at FFL (Share?). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: In my earlier post dissecting Curtis's long post to Barry about Robin and Ann, I identified one HUGE lie from Curtis and promised to make a separate post about it. This is the massive lie: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: (snippola) My initial motivation for interacting with Robin was to see how a cult leader thought. At first he seemed to have a cool perspective on his previous life. I believe that my misread of his meaning when he made a big fuss about me NEVER questioning his enlightenment experience was pivotal. I thought he was doing schtick on being sensitive about it. He was not. When he sussed out that I was not gunna buy his interpretation of his glorious previous state of mind he turned on me. Curtis had said the same thing directly to Robin near the beginning of their most recent exchange: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: (snip) I have never gotten back to a trusting sincere space with you. It's funny, I was looking at some old posts from our beginning run and there was a comment you made that at the time I think I took completely the wrong way. You were saying that the one thing I must never do is question your enlightenment in the past. I realized now that I thought you were being snarky and self-effacing, making a joke about insisting that I take that seriously, you know wink, wink, nudge, nudge style. I thought it meant that you were beyond taking that part of your life seriously. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/339021 I'm going to respond to that earlier post: Yes, very funny, especially since it isn't true, Curtis. I looked up the post. I gather you didn't expect anyone to do that. In fact, Robin was indeed kidding about your not questioning his enlightenment--but not because he himself didn't take his enlightenment seriously. He was well aware that it was unlikely others, especially you, would do so. However, if you believed (mistakenly) at the time that he was beyond taking it seriously himself, as you claim, that was in no way reflected in your response. I don't think you did believe that. I think the purpose of the paragraph I quoted above was to try to make him look like a jerk by pretending he had made a big fuss about [you] NEVER questioning his enlightenment experience. Here's what he actually wrote: It's going to be fun, Curtis. I appreciate the warning and the hidden admonition. But don't you DARE question the truth of my enlightenment, OK? That's where we part company. Just be as flattering, fawning, and sycophantic as you can. When it comes to my beautiful achievement of Unity Consciousness. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280412 You knew exactly where he was coming from: he fully expected you to try to refute his claim--the phrasing I just quoted is obviously ironic--but he wasn't about to back down from it. And *that* is what your response reflected: I don't question that you had a shift of your internal state that was radical enough for you to associate it with the terms Maharishi used for higher states. My experience of the term is based on my own experiences with his programs, so we may differ on what we mean by the term 'enlightenment'. I'm not sure how clear Maharishi himself was on the concept of it or what he was experiencing. I am interested to understand the reasons you came to that conclusion, and whether or not there were reasons that would be compelling to someone else, like me. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/280422 There's not a thing wrong with what you said in that
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On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:13 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: I'm only a lurker in this dialog. I haven't read all the exchanges that have gone on in the latest conflict. Until these last few posts, I knew next to nothing about what you have expounded here Judy. Thanks for filling in some history for me. I don't know if I will go back and read all of the recent conflict or the prior history, but at least I have a place to start if I decide to. Think twice about this Carol. Going back and reading the raw feed on your own could be dangerous. You may arrive at a conclusion that could be a variance with what you have been spoon fed here. Evidently Judy was right about John Knapp, so it might be safer just to go with assumption that's she's right here, rather than putting in the fifteen to twenty minutes of examining the posts from a few days ago that might allow you to form your own opinion. They are pretty easy to find. But there is that risk of having to bring to bear your own analytical skills rather than rely on those of others. How hilarious is your response oh seventhray - there is no evidence of anyone spoonfeeding her, if you read her message you can clearly see that she's not passing any definitive judgement - merely stating her opinion based on Judy's take on Knapp - are you fucking dumb, read her line below - Could she (Judy) be right again? You do not show any analytical skills let alone basic comprehension - what a hypocrite you are to question her analytical skills, clueless, pathetic LOL.. I question you once again - do you think your frivolous, careless, reactive posts demand an equal footing with posters like Emily or in this case Carol? Reading the bit I have as I have lurked, the dialog is all too familiar within the anti-cult circles I've had brushes with. Projection. Sidestepping accountability for one's words. Speculating of other people's motives. As I've read, I've not been sure who to believe and wondered why I even care. I thought how I sometimes long for innocence and wish to be an ostrich...as trite and childish as that may sound. I wrote some thoughts earlier after reading Judy's initial post today, trying to work through some of the muddle in my own head as I've read bits of this recent conflict. In writing those thoughts, I wondered why am I muddled? Why does this stuff even matter to me? Should I state anything publicly? Will I sound foolish? What if I do sound foolish, what difference does it really make? Has some of the dialog 'triggered' my own stuff that I am still working through after my involvement in a 'cult' and certain anti-cult 'cults?' I questioned my own biases and fairness. Do I judge other's motives? How much do I project? How much do my biases play into reading others? Like others, my own experiences have caused me to be less trusting of others; I already had been well trained to not trust my self and was gaining much ground in that area until the Knapp crap. I have picked up many of those pieces, but reading this recent dialog brought some of that stuff up again. Years ago, Judy had read Knapp correctly and called him out. I won't go into how I had rationalized the Knapp I thought I knew when I first came to FFL in 2010(?) or maybe it was 2009(?) and read some of Judy's posts calling Knapp out. I would never (at that time) have imagined she would be so spot on. But she was. Could she be right again? I'll stop here... A few of my muddled thoughts...for what they're worth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Thanks for this, you knew Curtis was twisting here since they were full of mutual admiration back then. Robin was certainly a very fascinating character but I couldn't understand Robin's fascination and admiration for Curtis when he came on board but then figured he would have to figure Curtis out for himself, which he did. Curtis was on his very best behavior, at his most charming, with Robin at first. Their dialogue was really scintillating, some of the best I've seen on any Web forum. It was beautiful to see how much Robin was enjoying himself after his bleak quarter-century in virtual exile. He just expanded like a flower. I had no clue what was going to happen down the road. Even after they first began to fall out, reading their exchanges was like watching a highly competitive contest between two extremely skilled players. After each post, you couldn't wait to see how the other guy could possibly top it. I don't believe you and I ever interfered in their correspondence, I certainly never did At one point toward the end I became a topic of their arguments, and I had to step in
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Ha, ha, ha - an idiot judging a Telugu Brahmin's core competency? Tch, tch - Did I hear that right? OMFG - will Ravi be devastated by this idiot's judgement, this person reputed for making frivolous, careless, reactive (read idiotic) posts? Will my evening be spoiled or am I all smiley face, LOL, ROFL ROTFL? On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:00 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Ravi, A little advice mano a mano. Stick with posting animal videos. That's more inline with your core competency. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:13 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: I'm only a lurker in this dialog. I haven't read all the exchanges that have gone on in the latest conflict. Until these last few posts, I knew next to nothing about what you have expounded here Judy. Thanks for filling in some history for me. I don't know if I will go back and read all of the recent conflict or the prior history, but at least I have a place to start if I decide to. Think twice about this Carol. Going back and reading the raw feed on your own could be dangerous. You may arrive at a conclusion that could be a variance with what you have been spoon fed here. Evidently Judy was right about John Knapp, so it might be safer just to go with assumption that's she's right here, rather than putting in the fifteen to twenty minutes of examining the posts from a few days ago that might allow you to form your own opinion. They are pretty easy to find. But there is that risk of having to bring to bear your own analytical skills rather than rely on those of others. How hilarious is your response oh seventhray - there is no evidence of anyone spoonfeeding her, if you read her message you can clearly see that she's not passing any definitive judgement - merely stating her opinion based on Judy's take on Knapp - are you fucking dumb, read her line below - Could she (Judy) be right again? You do not show any analytical skills let alone basic comprehension - what a hypocrite you are to question her analytical skills, clueless, pathetic LOL.. I question you once again - do you think your frivolous, careless, reactive posts demand an equal footing with posters like Emily or in this case Carol? Reading the bit I have as I have lurked, the dialog is all too familiar within the anti-cult circles I've had brushes with. Projection. Sidestepping accountability for one's words. Speculating of other people's motives. As I've read, I've not been sure who to believe and wondered why I even care. I thought how I sometimes long for innocence and wish to be an ostrich...as trite and childish as that may sound. I wrote some thoughts earlier after reading Judy's initial post today, trying to work through some of the muddle in my own head as I've read bits of this recent conflict. In writing those thoughts, I wondered why am I muddled? Why does this stuff even matter to me? Should I state anything publicly? Will I sound foolish? What if I do sound foolish, what difference does it really make? Has some of the dialog 'triggered' my own stuff that I am still working through after my involvement in a 'cult' and certain anti-cult 'cults?' I questioned my own biases and fairness. Do I judge other's motives? How much do I project? How much do my biases play into reading others? Like others, my own experiences have caused me to be less trusting of others; I already had been well trained to not trust my self and was gaining much ground in that area until the Knapp crap. I have picked up many of those pieces, but reading this recent dialog brought some of that stuff up again. Years ago, Judy had read Knapp correctly and called him out. I won't go into how I had rationalized the Knapp I thought I knew when I first came to FFL in 2010(?) or maybe it was 2009(?) and read some of Judy's posts calling Knapp out. I would never (at that time) have imagined she would be so spot on. But she was. Could she be right again? I'll stop here... A few of my muddled thoughts...for what they're worth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Thanks for this, you knew Curtis was twisting here since they were full of mutual admiration back then. Robin was certainly a very fascinating character but I couldn't understand Robin's fascination and admiration for Curtis when he came on board but then figured he would have to figure Curtis out for himself, which he did. Curtis was on his
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Share said - And about what he said to Ravi last night: I didn't grow up with brothers so sometimes I don't understand those mana a mano exchanges which are between equals. Nonetheless, that kind of exchange is helping me understand and appreciate men and their ways which are still a bit mysterious to me. Oh now dear Share - why would you use the term equal in this context unless you are stung by my questioning of Steve - which he will never answer - whether his frivolous, careless, reactive posts ever acquire an equal footing with posters such as Emily. Someone's doing a very pathetic job at being clever and trying to prop Steve LOL. Not to talk about the hilarity that it's some kind of mana a mano exchange? No, nothing brotherly, manly, mysterious about it nor was there anything to appreciate about - Steve is a coward and has hit an all-time low supporting characters like you and Curtis. He could have traded insults with creative, intelligent insults of his own but instead resorted to slander. There is a context which is provided by my reference to being a Brahmin. It shows my arrogance - because I believe there aren't many who can match my quest for the truth, it also shows my humility - that I am always vulnerable in my quest for it and willing to be hounded, harassed and humiliated by truth, by reality. I was brought up by a single mom, strong, never submissive, who would stand up to any man anyday - fighting the traditional, misogynist Indian society. I have no problem deferring to strong women - this shows in my admiration and respect for the Judy's, Ann's, Emily's and RD's - not Stupid Sal's, Stupid Share's and Stupid Susan's. Steve doesn't have any intelligence and integrity to answer my posts, it's causing him to indulge in cowardly slander but may be you can answer him since you are on the St Louis Idiots team, here they are Here's the first one - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/340588 and the second - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/340635 Take your time, remember unlike Emily I will come down hard on you if you try to walk away with lame excuses and indulge in inauthentic, devious bullshit. Be honest and authentic - either respond with intelligence or just don't bother. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Ann writing to Share about Steve: But maybe you can make him change his mind, make him decide he really doesn't like me after all, if you try hard enough. Share to Ann: Even what you say above is demeaning towards Steve. First of all it implies that he simply decides he doesn't like people. Which I don't think Steve does. Second of all it implies that he would dislike someone because I made him change his mind. I think Steve has a mind of his own. And about what he said to Ravi last night: I didn't grow up with brothers so sometimes I don't understand those mana a mano exchanges which are between equals. Nonetheless, that kind of exchange is helping me understand and appreciate men and their ways which are still a bit mysterious to me. -- *From:* Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 9, 2013 4:25 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE If you actually read the response Steve originally made to me it was not complimentary (see below) but I wrote the post I did anyway. How do you explain that? Or did you not read it accurately? You have certainly saved up a lot of invective you have been storing inside yourself about me. Feel better now? It has to, all that pus and stuff. What a relief to have squeezed it out of there.
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OMG Steve - how do you do this? Just as I was debating if I should post some old pictures of mine with Amma that I stumbled on to while cleaning my email account, your reference to Amma has sealed the deal. Anyway coming to your mud-slinging - I had a big smile as I was reading your post at the gym. I am sure I looked silly because a couple looked at me funny. This is all something that you have slinged at me in the past and which boomeranged on to you. Apparently got stuck in your ass looking at your pathetic effort in recycling them - it certainly wasn't my intention though..LOL You have completely bypassed a comprehensive set of questions I have directed at you, but it's clear you aren't going there - you neither have any intelligence nor any integrity, all you can do is indulge in slander. It's so stale and boring - what else you got baby? On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 8:20 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Hey Rav, I've been meaning to tell you this, and I will do so as tactfully as possible. You have lost your edge. Oh sure, there are still sparks of the old Ravi, but for the most part your routines have become pretty tired. I see that you are even using borrowed material on occassion. I can't decide if it's just because you've become battle worn (and even a little old), or if it's something more serious, such as a bad spat of lonliness. I think a fresh start might be called for. I am trying to visualize you with a western woman, but I'm not seeing it. I think generally speaking that she would be too strong for you. That Telegu Brahmin is so deeply ingrained, that I think you are going to have to stick to a Indian woman. Possibly an Asian, but I don't know. I know you pine for someone who has still has a propensity for a guru (preferably Amma), where you could play a counter weight for that. I think you like that dynamic. Probably titillates you. And there's nothing wrong with that. We all have our kinky sides. You know that I am your friend, and I am always ready to help you through any difficult times. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:40 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: You are really getting desperate Steve, begging others to agree with your crap? Perhaps this may shed light on your behavior, read the funny captions - http://reasonsmysoniscrying.tumblr.com/ This is spectacularly apropos, therefore extremely funny. Humour is very much about the timing, as we all know. I had an image here, but it wouldn't transmit. It was titled Cowardice Actually Ann, I think this better describes a person who backs away from a challenge they have put forth with: A) The dog ate my homework (or a variation thereof) B) I am so past this discussion shortly after boldly declaring that they were going to back up a dubious accusation (that evidently that were not able to do. Rules of engagement state that someone who backs away from a fair fight, a fight that they have instigated, that certain labels apply. Not my rules. Sorry about that. Steve, are you crying? You sound like you are crying. Everything is fine. I still love you. Devi still loves you. All is well, my little child. I'm just trying to stop yourself from drowning - http://reasonsteveiscrying.tumblr.com/ http://reasonsmysoniscrying.tumblr.com/post/47373448579/i-wouldnt-let-him-drown-in-this-pond On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:27 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: ** Just chillin here. Emily, do you mean to tell me that you find offense with a well crafted insult as Curtis has done below, but you give a pass to the garbage Ravi spews? I call that quadruple bullshit. My God, does the hypocrisy know no end here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would
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Ann writing to Share about Steve: But maybe you can make him change his mind, make him decide he really doesn't like me after all, if you try hard enough. Share to Ann: Even what you say above is demeaning towards Steve. First of all it implies that he simply decides he doesn't like people. Which I don't think Steve does. Second of all it implies that he would dislike someone because I made him change his mind. I think Steve has a mind of his own. And about what he said to Ravi last night: I didn't grow up with brothers so sometimes I don't understand those mana a mano exchanges which are between equals. Nonetheless, that kind of exchange is helping me understand and appreciate men and their ways which are still a bit mysterious to me. From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 4:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE If you actually read the response Steve originally made to me it was not complimentary (see below) but I wrote the post I did anyway. How do you explain that? Or did you not read it accurately? You have certainly saved up a lot of invective you have been storing inside yourself about me. Feel better now? It has to, all that pus and stuff. What a relief to have squeezed it out of there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ann, if Steve is courageous because he NEVER hesitates to answer a post, does that mean that Robin is a coward because he does hesitate? How about me? Or anyone on FFL? How about you? As often happens, a double standard is implied. Similarly there seems to be a double standard about Steve agreeing with someone and or defending them. If he does it for me, you have ridiculed him many times. But if he does if for you, then he's a good man who will catch you when you stumble?! A while ago you called Steve a doofus and I responded to that. Since then you've been oozing compliments to Steve, this being one of them. But the most masterful was when you told Steve that he was the kind of man who would catch you when you stumble. Masterful because of combining the compliment to Steve with painting yourself as stumbling. I have a feeling your context for masterful is not a compliment. What are you implying? Maybe oozing is your way of apologizing. But if you ever go into politics, which I think you should given your skills, don't ever apologize, because to do so, one has to admit that one made a mistake. You simply can't carry it off and maybe that's why you don't apologize. Actually, when I apologize I always mean it and it always makes me go somewhere inside that is not always easy. And at least once I'd like to see you compliment Steve without then emasculating him in the very next breath as you do here with the blushing comment and then the blundering fool comment. I would be interested if Steve felt emasculated. That was certainly not my intention. But he is good natured enough to know where I was coming from on. I think Steve gets it. But maybe you can make him change his mind, make him decide he really doesn't like me after all, if you try hard enough. You're doing a pretty good job so far. What would be your purpose for that Share? As for your telling Steve to never forget it: what is he not to forget? That he is a good man? Or that you have said so ten times? Again, you remind me of a politician getting ready to run for office. BTW, many on FFL have told Steve that he's a good man.    And your point is? Wait, I didn't even understand your question. Thank you for compliment that I never would have made it for an hour at the WTS mic. Though I was a bit surprised when you talked about your WTS battle scars. Ann! Battle scars from a workshop, even an extended one?! Whatever would you say if I said such about one of my workshops?! This alone shows you have absolutely no idea what a WTS was like. You might want to stop while you're behind. To compare three and a half years living in a situation I chose to has as much relationship to your one or two day touchy-feely workshops as cheese does to lava. Finally, I don't think I have ever, as you say in your post about apology, prostrated myself in anguish here on FFL. But I can totally see why you would need to make an exaggerated description about my apologizing behavior. I think for you there is something very uncomfortable about apologizing. No, there is something disengenuous about witnessing you apologize ad infinitum; apologies which cost you nothing ultimately mean nothing. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S
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What I remember is that Robin initially posted a one big paragraph post but then added paragraph breaks after people requested that. And I like that there are different writing formats and styles on FFL. I might not read them all or might skim some, but I still like that we don't all write like any one writer here. Speaking of which, thanks for Russell Brand article which I did enjoy reading. Yet I admit I didn't read the whole thing, as excellent as the writing was. But I did read and enjoy all of your apt search dialogue. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I remember my first post to him was to ask him to use paragraph breaks so we could more easily read what he was saying. Remember how he used to post in one massive block of text? I always thought that was odd for a guy who had written books, to not have any awareness of his reader. Catching up (I've been busy...uh...having a life), I have to comment on this because it's one of my pet peeves. It's an indication of someone who has never really had to write for an audience that is not already committed to him (read, someone who has never written for a non-cult audience). Anyone who actually *cared* about their audience would have cut things into smaller paragraphs without a second thought. That's just what one DOES when writing for a modern audience, one trained by our modern fast cut media to have a short attention span. But nooo. What is even more fascinating to me is the fact that a supposedly professional editor never called him on it. I mean, we're talking about someone who nitpicks and corrects even the slightest grammatical infraction as if it were a Mortal Sin. But Robin got a total pass. What's up with that, eh?
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Correction: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR SOMETHING (strike the TO ME) part. Ha ha Share - see, it isn't all about me either - I was typing too fast. Remember, I brought all of this tedium up again to make a point. I really am over it all. This is FFL after all - I don't have time to hold grudges in real life and on the internet. I am all about lessons learned though. Smiley face. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Dear Share, against my better judgment and because I am still here, I will reply, but this will be it for now. I really do have to go - but I'll be back to check in, not sure when, but I will. Thank you for your effort to communicate with me. Of course you didn't understand my burn comment - I didn't explain it at the time - that's why I explained it later. No need to worry - you couldn't possibly have hurt my feelings by offering me the suggestions of aloe vera and ghee. Yes, I'm sure there is a country song about taxes - that's cute Share and I mean it. My comment on you never *owe me* was said for two reasons that I didn't explain - it didn't have anything to do with what *you* think. If you will remember, *I* said, back during the timeframe where you were insisting that I was part of your fantasized wts cult (last year, although we let all that go) that *you owed me* an apology. Suffice it to say, I retract my request to you from way back because I am fully over it. Now, re: YOUR STATEMENT - I make an apology when I think I might have hurt someone's feelings. IT ISN'T ABOUT YOU SHARE, IT'S ABOUT THE OTHER PERSON INFORMING YOU THAT YOU HAVE HURT THEIR FEELINGS - STOP GUESSING IN THE DARK! SHARE, YOU HURT MY FEELINGS LAST YEAR WHEN YOU ACCUSED ME OF BEING IN A CULT. REMEMBER THAT? I was most upset last year that you were dismissing me as an individual by placing me in the inner circle of a cult with Robin as the leader. It was rife with passive aggressive slams that I can't think for myself, that I am part of a gang, that I am a follower, etc. Simply not a very nice thing to do to another human being. I stated this to you numerous times. If you had stated this to me as many times in as many ways with as much emotion behind it as I did to you, I assure you, Share, I would have apologized to you - I would have seen that it hurt you - whether your hurt feelings accurately reflected my intentions or not (do you understand this last phrase?). YOU REFUSED TO APOLOGIZE TO ME, EVEN WHEN I TOLD YOU OVER AND OVER AND OVER HOW YOU HAD HURT MY FEELINGS, AND WHY, AND BEGGED YOU TO WORK IT OUT WITH ME. ALL PUBLICLY SHARE. I SPARED FFL NONE OF MY DRAMA OR PROCESS WITH YOU. REMEMBER THAT? IT'S ALL ARCHIVED SOMEWHERE. I'M OVER IT, I ASSURE YOU. YOU HURT ROBIN'S FEELINGS (I'M GUESSING) WHEN YOU ACCUSED HIM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL RAPE - HOW COULD YOU NOT HAVE - THAT IS AN INCREDIBLY HURTFUL ACCUSATION. How in the world do you make amends for a situation you haven't apologized for? You've let it go, but you never addressed the key issue or your behavior or what you said. How are you going to make amends to Robin - send him a homemade pie? What would amends look like for you through the internet or email? Amends are about changing behavior Share. Why would you set a rule that you will only talk offline to spare FFL. Are you kidding me? Spare FFL? From what? Sounds like a bullshit excuse to me - again, you are deflecting, trying to present as being a loving person committed to reconciliation, but your words and behavior bely you. Believe you me, if you even had the tiniest thought that Robin could do such a thing to you, you had best put your amends down right here in public where you have witnesses - sounds pretty scary to me to go offline in such a case. And then what, call for privacy, after it inevitably makes its way back here in some form, and then refuse again to take any accountability for how the situation went down? Double bullshit Share. (Blame Curtis for the use of that term - gentle, accepting man that he is). ARE YOU LISTENING? I realize I am giving you feedback you don't agree with, but it is another way of looking at it, if you remain open-minded. I am making no assumption about how you feel about me or my posts at this time. THE REASON I SAID THAT *I DIDN'T DISLIKE YOU* WAS BECAUSE CURTIS REPLIED TO THE POST OF MY GYPSY LAMENT WHICH WAS POSTED BECAUSE I TOOK OFFENSE AT YOUR HITLER LOVE NOTES AND HE FIGURED I POSTED IT BECAUSE HE GETS THAT I DON'T LIKE YOU. THIS IS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT, WHICH I WAS CORRECTING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR SOMETHING TO ME, APOLOGIZE FOR BEING FULLY INSENSITIVE TO THE SUFFERING OF THE WWII CASUALTIES
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You are really getting desperate Steve, begging others to agree with your crap? Perhaps this may shed light on your behavior, read the funny captions - http://reasonsmysoniscrying.tumblr.com/ On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:27 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Just chillin here. Emily, do you mean to tell me that you find offense with a well crafted insult as Curtis has done below, but you give a pass to the garbage Ravi spews? I call that quadruple bullshit. My God, does the hypocrisy know no end here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: ** I think you meant: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Complaints have been flooding (different from the trending word word flood) in from my lurker fan base - I need to clarify some of the terms before I lose 10% of my fans Kapati = deceitful Shishya = Disciple Bhakta = Devotee *Cuckoo=Ravi* Steve - three funny coincidences happened today. For the last two days I am singing a song with this line -The cuckoo starts singing in the garden and I start thinking of my beloved during the rain-filled night - so I must have chanted cuckoo at least a hundred times - Koyal - Cuckoo in Hindi. I was thinking of how I could compare Curtis to Mahishasura the buffalo-demon and then he makes a post on all turban and no water buffalo. I am headed out to the gym - I compare His Holiness to Jesus Christ, head out of the door to be accosted by two kids - missionaries from LSD. Very interesting huh Steve baby? Love ya all. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...wrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 2:43 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Wrong. Krishna is the real kapati - But Rakshasaas are also kapati. What's the difference dear LG Shishyaa? God I fucked up, even Krishna fucks up LOL. Anyway, once again what's the difference Bhakta? Raviji, as one deals, He'll also...He reciprocates. That is Krsna. Awesome, yes Krishna meets love with love and humility and deception with deception and arrogance. Dear LG - You have been awarded the Best Bonafide Bhakta of the Kali Yuga by the Kaliyuga Kapati Krishna - Yaay !!! Love you LG XOXO.
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On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:24 AM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: I think you meant: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Complaints have been flooding (different from the trending word word flood) in from my lurker fan base - I need to clarify some of the terms before I lose 10% of my fans Kapati = deceitful Shishya = Disciple Bhakta = Devotee Cuckoo=Ravi Steve - three funny coincidences happened today. For the last two days I am singing a song with this line -The cuckoo starts singing in the garden and I start thinking of my beloved during the rain-filled night - so I must have chanted cuckoo at least a hundred times - Koyal - Cuckoo in Hindi. I was thinking of how I could compare Curtis to Mahishasura the buffalo-demon and then he makes a post on all turban and no water buffalo. I am headed out to the gym - I compare His Holiness to Jesus Christ, head out of the door to be accosted by two kids - missionaries from LSD. Very interesting huh Steve baby? Damn I meant missionaries from LDS, so to continue I had real fun few minutes with those innocent kids. I tried to playfully back away from them but then approached them. Told them I wasn't religious, didn't really believe in God as an entity, poor kids they were nervous - at least made them comfortable and politely, playfully, nicely turned them down. But one of the kids wanted me to keep their card, so I have a card from JC in my car :-). Love ya all. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...wrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 2:43 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Wrong. Krishna is the real kapati - But Rakshasaas are also kapati. What's the difference dear LG Shishyaa? God I fucked up, even Krishna fucks up LOL. Anyway, once again what's the difference Bhakta? Raviji, as one deals, He'll also...He reciprocates. That is Krsna. Awesome, yes Krishna meets love with love and humility and deception with deception and arrogance. Dear LG - You have been awarded the Best Bonafide Bhakta of the Kali Yuga by the Kaliyuga Kapati Krishna - Yaay !!! Love you LG XOXO.
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Which reminds me that the Nine Days of Mother Divine begin tomorrow. Here in this FFL corner we have Team Steve, the St. Louis Lovlies: Sal Sunshine as Durga; Share as Lakshmi and Susan as Saraswati. In the other corner we have Team Ravi, the San Diego Dolls: Judy as Durga, Ann as Lakshmi and Emily as Saraswati. It is noted that the Dolls have a deeper bench with Raunchy and Obbajeeba and Carol. What can we say? Unfathomable karma! From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Ravi, are you crying? You sound like you are crying. Everything is fine. I still love you. Devi still loves you. All is well, my little child. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:24 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Is it - what do you think about attributing someone's behavior to BDSM rituals and labels from DSM? Emily shows lot of intelligence, sensitivity behind her observations not idiotic reactive garbage like yours. What were you saying now? Remember my rap from yesterday. That your brazen, callously idiotic reactive posts creating the illusion that someone like you and your posts somehow demand an equal footing? Did you read the last two posts of Emily before today? The intelligence, sensitivity she displays even for someone like Curtis? She is a strong, mature, intelligent woman but that feminine sensitivity, love, forgiveness that came through in her posts? I was impressed - something for me to emulate as a man. Contrast that with your pack leader's rabid responses to Ann and Emily. Get it? Take your time, I have a lot of understanding for your disability. On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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Thanks Emily, I read this a couple of times. I hope all goes well and you return soon. If you ever want to talk about anything from last year, well anything FFL that is, I'm willing to do so offline. Share From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Correction: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR SOMETHING (strike the TO ME) part. Ha ha Share - see, it isn't all about me either - I was typing too fast. Remember, I brought all of this tedium up again to make a point. I really am over it all. This is FFL after all - I don't have time to hold grudges in real life and on the internet. I am all about lessons learned though. Smiley face. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Dear Share, against my better judgment and because I am still here, I will reply, but this will be it for now. I really do have to go - but I'll be back to check in, not sure when, but I will. Thank you for your effort to communicate with me. Of course you didn't understand my burn comment - I didn't explain it at the time - that's why I explained it later. No need to worry - you couldn't possibly have hurt my feelings by offering me the suggestions of aloe vera and ghee. Yes, I'm sure there is a country song about taxes - that's cute Share and I mean it. My comment on you never *owe me* was said for two reasons that I didn't explain - it didn't have anything to do with what *you* think. If you will remember, *I* said, back during the timeframe where you were insisting that I was part of your fantasized wts cult (last year, although we let all that go) that *you owed me* an apology. Suffice it to say, I retract my request to you from way back because I am fully over it. Now, re: YOUR STATEMENT - I make an apology when I think I might have hurt someone's feelings. IT ISN'T ABOUT YOU SHARE, IT'S ABOUT THE OTHER PERSON INFORMING YOU THAT YOU HAVE HURT THEIR FEELINGS - STOP GUESSING IN THE DARK! SHARE, YOU HURT MY FEELINGS LAST YEAR WHEN YOU ACCUSED ME OF BEING IN A CULT. REMEMBER THAT? I was most upset last year that you were dismissing me as an individual by placing me in the inner circle of a cult with Robin as the leader. It was rife with passive aggressive slams that I can't think for myself, that I am part of a gang, that I am a follower, etc. Simply not a very nice thing to do to another human being. I stated this to you numerous times. If you had stated this to me as many times in as many ways with as much emotion behind it as I did to you, I assure you, Share, I would have apologized to you - I would have seen that it hurt you - whether your hurt feelings accurately reflected my intentions or not (do you understand this last phrase?). YOU REFUSED TO APOLOGIZE TO ME, EVEN WHEN I TOLD YOU OVER AND OVER AND OVER HOW YOU HAD HURT MY FEELINGS, AND WHY, AND BEGGED YOU TO WORK IT OUT WITH ME. ALL PUBLICLY SHARE. I SPARED FFL NONE OF MY DRAMA OR PROCESS WITH YOU. REMEMBER THAT? IT'S ALL ARCHIVED SOMEWHERE. I'M OVER IT, I ASSURE YOU. YOU HURT ROBIN'S FEELINGS (I'M GUESSING) WHEN YOU ACCUSED HIM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL RAPE - HOW COULD YOU NOT HAVE - THAT IS AN INCREDIBLY HURTFUL ACCUSATION. How in the world do you make amends for a situation you haven't apologized for? You've let it go, but you never addressed the key issue or your behavior or what you said. How are you going to make amends to Robin - send him a homemade pie? What would amends look like for you through the internet or email? Amends are about changing behavior Share. Why would you set a rule that you will only talk offline to spare FFL. Are you kidding me? Spare FFL? From what? Sounds like a bullshit excuse to me - again, you are deflecting, trying to present as being a loving person committed to reconciliation, but your words and behavior bely you. Believe you me, if you even had the tiniest thought that Robin could do such a thing to you, you had best put your amends down right here in public where you have witnesses - sounds pretty scary to me to go offline in such a case. And then what, call for privacy, after it inevitably makes its way back here in some form, and then refuse again to take any accountability for how the situation went down? Double bullshit Share. (Blame Curtis for the use of that term - gentle, accepting man that he is). ARE YOU LISTENING? I realize I am giving you feedback you don't agree with, but it is another way of looking at it, if you remain open-minded. I am making no assumption about how you
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Ha ha ha ha. Good one, Share. You have missed or purposely chosen to miss the points of my post entirely - both the objective and subjective aspects of it. I worry about your ability to comprehend - I am not a mean person, Share. I think it's that you aren't listening. What scares you about having conversations on FFL about FFL? Are you scared? I'm headed to the beach after I finish my taxes and then have a couple more out-of-town things I have to do. P.S. I'm over it. Did that not come across? Read that at face value. Emily From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Thanks Emily, I read this a couple of times. I hope all goes well and you return soon. If you ever want to talk about anything from last year, well anything FFL that is, I'm willing to do so offline. Share From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Correction: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR SOMETHING (strike the TO ME) part. Ha ha Share - see, it isn't all about me either - I was typing too fast. Remember, I brought all of this tedium up again to make a point. I really am over it all. This is FFL after all - I don't have time to hold grudges in real life and on the internet. I am all about lessons learned though. Smiley face. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Dear Share, against my better judgment and because I am still here, I will reply, but this will be it for now. I really do have to go - but I'll be back to check in, not sure when, but I will. Thank you for your effort to communicate with me. Of course you didn't understand my burn comment - I didn't explain it at the time - that's why I explained it later. No need to worry - you couldn't possibly have hurt my feelings by offering me the suggestions of aloe vera and ghee. Yes, I'm sure there is a country song about taxes - that's cute Share and I mean it. My comment on you never *owe me* was said for two reasons that I didn't explain - it didn't have anything to do with what *you* think. If you will remember, *I* said, back during the timeframe where you were insisting that I was part of your fantasized wts cult (last year, although we let all that go) that *you owed me* an apology. Suffice it to say, I retract my request to you from way back because I am fully over it. Now, re: YOUR STATEMENT - I make an apology when I think I might have hurt someone's feelings. IT ISN'T ABOUT YOU SHARE, IT'S ABOUT THE OTHER PERSON INFORMING YOU THAT YOU HAVE HURT THEIR FEELINGS - STOP GUESSING IN THE DARK! SHARE, YOU HURT MY FEELINGS LAST YEAR WHEN YOU ACCUSED ME OF BEING IN A CULT. REMEMBER THAT? I was most upset last year that you were dismissing me as an individual by placing me in the inner circle of a cult with Robin as the leader. It was rife with passive aggressive slams that I can't think for myself, that I am part of a gang, that I am a follower, etc. Simply not a very nice thing to do to another human being. I stated this to you numerous times. If you had stated this to me as many times in as many ways with as much emotion behind it as I did to you, I assure you, Share, I would have apologized to you - I would have seen that it hurt you - whether your hurt feelings accurately reflected my intentions or not (do you understand this last phrase?). YOU REFUSED TO APOLOGIZE TO ME, EVEN WHEN I TOLD YOU OVER AND OVER AND OVER HOW YOU HAD HURT MY FEELINGS, AND WHY, AND BEGGED YOU TO WORK IT OUT WITH ME. ALL PUBLICLY SHARE. I SPARED FFL NONE OF MY DRAMA OR PROCESS WITH YOU. REMEMBER THAT? IT'S ALL ARCHIVED SOMEWHERE. I'M OVER IT, I ASSURE YOU. YOU HURT ROBIN'S FEELINGS (I'M GUESSING) WHEN YOU ACCUSED HIM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL RAPE - HOW COULD YOU NOT HAVE - THAT IS AN INCREDIBLY HURTFUL ACCUSATION. How in the world do you make amends for a situation you haven't apologized for? You've let it go, but you never addressed the key issue or your behavior or what you said. How are you going to make amends to Robin - send him a homemade pie? What would amends look like for you through the internet or email? Amends are about changing behavior Share. Why would you set a rule that you will only talk offline to spare FFL. Are you kidding me? Spare FFL? From what? Sounds like a bullshit excuse to me - again, you are deflecting
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On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:00 AM, card cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
Complaints have been flooding (different from the trending word word
flood) in from my lurker fan base - I need to clarify some of the
terms
before I lose 10% of my fans
Kapati = deceitful
kapaTa%{as} , %{am} m. n. (%{kamp} Comm. on Un2. iv , 81) , fraud ,
deceit , cheating , circumvention MBh. Bhartr2. Pan5cat. c. ; m. N. of a
Da1nava MBh. i , 2534 ; (%{I}) f. a measure equal to the capacity of the
hollows of the two hands joined L. ; N. of a tree Nigh.
Yeah the other day I was like why the hell is Card wasting his time making
facetious remarks - comparing Kapati to cup of tea, he should be providing us
the etymology of the word, providing comparable words in Norwegian, Finnish or
Swedish. So yeah thanks dude.
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On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:20 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I remember my first post to him was to ask him to use paragraph breaks so we could more easily read what he was saying. Remember how he used to post in one massive block of text? I always thought that was odd for a guy who had written books, to not have any awareness of his reader. Catching up (I've been busy...uh...having a life), Yes we can indeed feel you are finally having a life - EPA has finally certified FFL given the dramatic decrease in your toxic posts. Good job !!! I have to comment on this because it's one of my pet peeves. It's an indication of someone who has never really had to write for an audience that is not already committed to him (read, someone who has never written for a non-cult audience). Anyone who actually *cared* about their audience would have cut things into smaller paragraphs without a second thought. That's just what one DOES when writing for a modern audience, one trained by our modern fast cut media to have a short attention span. But nooo. What is even more fascinating to me is the fact that a supposedly professional editor never called him on it. I mean, we're talking about someone who nitpicks and corrects even the slightest grammatical infraction as if it were a Mortal Sin. But Robin got a total pass. What's up with that, eh?
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On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:20 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I remember my first post to him was to ask him to use paragraph breaks so we could more easily read what he was saying. Remember how he used to post in one massive block of text? I always thought that was odd for a guy who had written books, to not have any awareness of his reader. Catching up (I've been busy...uh...having a life), Yes we can indeed feel you are finally having a life - EPA has finally certified FFL given the dramatic decrease in your toxic posts. Good job !!! And some friendly advice from one who's been dealing with it, uh for his entire life - life can be a bitch Barry. Sorry for being so blunt. Welcome to life !!!
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:40 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: You are really getting desperate Steve, begging others to agree with your crap? Perhaps this may shed light on your behavior, read the funny captions - http://reasonsmysoniscrying.tumblr.com/ This is spectacularly apropos, therefore extremely funny. Humour is very much about the timing, as we all know. I had an image here, but it wouldn't transmit. It was titled Cowardice Actually Ann, I think this better describes a person who backs away from a challenge they have put forth with: A) The dog ate my homework (or a variation thereof) B) I am so past this discussion shortly after boldly declaring that they were going to back up a dubious accusation (that evidently that were not able to do. Rules of engagement state that someone who backs away from a fair fight, a fight that they have instigated, that certain labels apply. Not my rules. Sorry about that. Steve, are you crying? You sound like you are crying. Everything is fine. I still love you. Devi still loves you. All is well, my little child. I'm just trying to stop yourself from drowning - http://reasonsteveiscrying.tumblr.com/http://reasonsmysoniscrying.tumblr.com/post/47373448579/i-wouldnt-let-him-drown-in-this-pond On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:27 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: ** Just chillin here. Emily, do you mean to tell me that you find offense with a well crafted insult as Curtis has done below, but you give a pass to the garbage Ravi spews? I call that quadruple bullshit. My God, does the hypocrisy know no end here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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Complaints have been flooding (different from the trending word word flood) in from my lurker fan base - I need to clarify some of the terms before I lose 10% of my fans Kapati = deceitful Shishya = Disciple Bhakta = Devotee Krishna = Ravi Love ya all. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 2:43 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Wrong. Krishna is the real kapati - But Rakshasaas are also kapati. What's the difference dear LG Shishyaa? God I fucked up, even Krishna fucks up LOL. Anyway, once again what's the difference Bhakta? Raviji, as one deals, He'll also...He reciprocates. That is Krsna. Awesome, yes Krishna meets love with love and humility and deception with deception and arrogance. Dear LG - You have been awarded the Best Bonafide Bhakta of the Kali Yuga by the Kaliyuga Kapati Krishna - Yaay !!! Love you LG XOXO.
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Oh Krishna..and one more Rakshasa = demon On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: Complaints have been flooding (different from the trending word word flood) in from my lurker fan base - I need to clarify some of the terms before I lose 10% of my fans Kapati = deceitful Shishya = Disciple Bhakta = Devotee Krishna = Ravi Love ya all. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 2:43 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Wrong. Krishna is the real kapati - But Rakshasaas are also kapati. What's the difference dear LG Shishyaa? God I fucked up, even Krishna fucks up LOL. Anyway, once again what's the difference Bhakta? Raviji, as one deals, He'll also...He reciprocates. That is Krsna. Awesome, yes Krishna meets love with love and humility and deception with deception and arrogance. Dear LG - You have been awarded the Best Bonafide Bhakta of the Kali Yuga by the Kaliyuga Kapati Krishna - Yaay !!! Love you LG XOXO.
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Curtis, thanks again for what you say here and how you say it. I want to reply to Ann and your insight about her still processing about leaving WTS is very helpful to me as I think about what I want to say to her. I've never permanently left a powerful organization, except the Catholic Church, so I can't possibly know what that feels like. What I most question about some posters here is how they have a double standard. For example, recently Judy has been writing extensively about corruption. But not one word did she say when Robin made his, what I'll call very hard porn comment about you. I do think Robin still thinks of himself as a teacher helping us let in more of reality, being more ourselves, etc. And as I said in another post, maybe he is. But I think we're ALL helping each other in this way and each of us has our own style of sharing whatever we've gleaned from life. However I also think the EST hyper confrontational way of teaching is simply no longer necessary, indeed if it ever was. Finally, I agree with Steve that both you and Robin enrich the FFL experience. So I hope both of you continue. And if some of those posts of his get a little shorter, better yet. But as you said before, it wouldn't be a rap with Robin if it was short. For me, that is still one of the kindest phrases I've read anyone say about a FFL challenger of theirs. Share, headed your way soon to visit my family From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 8:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: I am saying is he should shit or get off the pot (to put it rather crudely). I am making no value judgements here about the quality of the discourse or even the value of it. It is just that Curtis keeps coming back for more all the while lamenting his predicament. I am just tired of hearing him whinge, that's all. Either he should get on with it or move along to the next subject. Before commenting on your reply, Curtis, which was IMO just Right On, nailing the somewhat the somewhat questionable sanity of Ann's interest in all of this, I should point out that she has a point. We all judge the value of each others posting choices that are different from our own. But we don't all equate those different choices as representing a flaw in the person making them. Contrary to what others have said here recently, YOU did not come back to FFL as a result of Robin's presence here. As I remember it, this last appear- ance of his was occasioned by YOUR return to FFL. It has gone both ways, and it was interesting that Ann painted the picture that it was only one way. He came back specifically so he could rag on me in Judy's absence, and when I didn't react to his provocations, he turned his attentions to you, hoping that he could lure you back into one of his confrontations. In this, he succeeded. After all this time, you should know his tactics, and his intent, and know better than to get involved. But it's your choice; you seem to be getting something out of interacting with him, so if so, continue, as long as it is fun or interesting for you. I am not in a position to criticize this, having been sucked into similar confrontations with Judy for so many years. Finally I decided they -- and her -- were simply not worth my time. Although Ann equated your opinion with hers it is actually very different. I get it that you are shaking your head about my discussions with him and it has been that way for years with Judy as well. We are both using this writing opportunity in a way that serves us. I at least get that level of respect from you, even if you think I am wasting my time with them. I don't frame it all as getting sucked in obviously. I am using it as a way to express what I want until it stops serving that purpose and then I cut it off. When I cut it off Judy declares victory and Robin escalates his taunts. But I enjoy the ride till I don't. Now, to what you said, re Ann... My interaction with another poster is causing YOU discomfort. Think about that. That's really the issue with Ann's involvement here. Nothing that goes on between you and Robin concerns her in the least, but she *takes advantage of it* to berate you and defend Robin. Given the fact that we are talking about a person (Ann) who was verbally and psychically abused by Robin for 3-1/2 FUCKING YEARS, one simply has to wonder WHY. Ann's act has always had a Patty Hearst feel to it for me, as if she's still carrying a torch for the cult leader who captured her attention
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On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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Ann, if Steve is courageous because he NEVER hesitates to answer a post, does that mean that Robin is a coward because he does hesitate? How about me? Or anyone on FFL? How about you? As often happens, a double standard is implied. Similarly there seems to be a double standard about Steve agreeing with someone and or defending them. If he does it for me, you have ridiculed him many times. But if he does if for you, then he's a good man who will catch you when you stumble?! A while ago you called Steve a doofus and I responded to that. Since then you've been oozing compliments to Steve, this being one of them. But the most masterful was when you told Steve that he was the kind of man who would catch you when you stumble. Masterful because of combining the compliment to Steve with painting yourself as stumbling. Maybe oozing is your way of apologizing. But if you ever go into politics, which I think you should given your skills, don't ever apologize, because to do so, one has to admit that one made a mistake. You simply can't carry it off and maybe that's why you don't apologize. And at least once I'd like to see you compliment Steve without then emasculating him in the very next breath as you do here with the blushing comment and then the blundering fool comment. As for your telling Steve to never forget it: what is he not to forget? That he is a good man? Or that you have said so ten times? Again, you remind me of a politician getting ready to run for office. BTW, many on FFL have told Steve that he's a good man. Thank you for compliment that I never would have made it for an hour at the WTS mic. Though I was a bit surprised when you talked about your WTS battle scars. Ann! Battle scars from a workshop, even an extended one?! Whatever would you say if I said such about one of my workshops?! Finally, I don't think I have ever, as you say in your post about apology, prostrated myself in anguish here on FFL. But I can totally see why you would need to make an exaggerated description about my apologizing behavior. I think for you there is something very uncomfortable about apologizing. From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE See Steve, this is why I appreciate you. And I will tell you something that might make you blush because, actually, I believe you are a healthy, gently, reasonable person PLUS I think you are one of the more courageous posters here. Why? Because you NEVER hesitate to answer a post, to go into the lion's lair or what may not turn out to be a dangerous place but still COULD be. You will take a chance and you will respond. Whether people agree with you or think you are a blundering fool is not the point. The point is I believe you to have integrity and strength that is born of a gentle spirit. If I have told you once I have told you ten times: you are a good man. And never forget it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Your blind is showing again Ann. Glaringly so. I don't know how that could be possible, but it is. What is a blind? spot (my bad) Your pulling rank here is pretty nonsensical. No, there is no pulling rank. I am simply stating that if Curtis does not enjoy what Robin writes, or the position he feels he is being put in he should just stop engaging. Even his good buddy Barry has told him that time and time again. I think you might be missing the spirit of the exchanges here. The purpose is that hopefully we communicate in such a way that maybe we have little breakthroughs. That maybe we further our understanding about things. And I think that can be a pretty persistent hope, so one continues to post in that spirit even when it doesn't seem to be happening. Does that make sense to you, or are you one for throwing in the towel at the first sign of resistance. I don't believe for a second for that to be the case. I find Curtis to be extremely patient. And for whatever reason I find him to be the reasonable one in these discussions. I perfectly understand if you don't, but I reserve the right to comment if I feel that you, or anyone else is a little off base. And certainly you do that with me. So, let's live and let live. Life is nonsensical, all the time. Can you make heads or tails of it? I can't. And anyway, I have lots of scars to show as a result of my time around Robin. Some were inflicted by him, some by my friends and some by myself. It is a simple fact: I went through a kind of war and I wear those scars as badges of honour. I admit it - I am happy that I experienced
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On 04/09/2013 10:40 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! Bhairitu: So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? Well, I do read most of your posts, you know, the ones that start with RE: and end on one line, but you're probably at least past fifty. Go figure. You must be confused. I often start topics. Nothing wrong with replying to some but this place DOES begin to seem like a bunch of canaries in a mine squawking. :-D I barely even post more than 40 posts a week. Besides not only did I author the PostCount app but also the Python version which I can use at any time to check post numbers. Alex also uses it for the extra counts that need to be posted. You can use it too if you use email and a client that uses mbox format. The Python script is in the files section. You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D I already told you, I'm not gay, but thanks for the invite. LoL! What does reading teen sites have to do with being gay? Might make you a dirty old man though. Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure.
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Most likely TM promotes OCD. They just relabeled it one pointedness. :-D On 04/09/2013 09:24 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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O.K. I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Magic Carpet Ride (Live) - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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Sorry, Steve. It's tax time - I'm running a little late due to my presence here over the last week with ya'll. P.S. It's not an accusation - it's an observation. From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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You have got to be kidding me. This exchange between Curtis and Barry marks a new low on FFL. The fact that they reduce Robin's brilliance, intelligence, wisdom to a set of BSM rituals and a set of labels from DSM shows how devious and emotionally, intellectually, morally, ethically bankrupt both are. Hats off to Ann for successfully pushing Curtis's buttons - till yesterday it was just a benign accusation of word-flood and subjective imagination on part of Robin - look at how he dramatically escalates. Curtis can't tolerate this opposition - he has to totally dominate, he did that with Emily and now Ann. It's sickening - totally nauseating. I don't have any patience to go through his vomit - I will let Judy do the honors. May the existence have have mercy on their souls. On Apr 9, 2013, at 8:31 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well done Curtis. Your analysis IMHO is spot on and offered in a reasonable, calm and heartfelt way especially considering what you went through yesterday. A piece of the puzzle that I've been trying to find a place for just fell into place. At times I feel elevated after reading some comments here, and cheapened or less than I was before after reading others. I've used the analogy before that sometimes the inmates take over the asylum...yesterday was one of those days...and it's good to see when order has been restored. An analysis such as yours can seem harsh at face value, however, that is all it is until someone gives it merit through their responses, both in content and style. Thanks again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: I am saying is he should shit or get off the pot (to put it rather crudely). I am making no value judgements here about the quality of the discourse or even the value of it. It is just that Curtis keeps coming back for more all the while lamenting his predicament. I am just tired of hearing him whinge, that's all. Either he should get on with it or move along to the next subject. Before commenting on your reply, Curtis, which was IMO just Right On, nailing the somewhat the somewhat questionable sanity of Ann's interest in all of this, I should point out that she has a point. We all judge the value of each others posting choices that are different from our own. But we don't all equate those different choices as representing a flaw in the person making them. Contrary to what others have said here recently, YOU did not come back to FFL as a result of Robin's presence here. As I remember it, this last appear- ance of his was occasioned by YOUR return to FFL. It has gone both ways, and it was interesting that Ann painted the picture that it was only one way. He came back specifically so he could rag on me in Judy's absence, and when I didn't react to his provocations, he turned his attentions to you, hoping that he could lure you back into one of his confrontations. In this, he succeeded. After all this time, you should know his tactics, and his intent, and know better than to get involved. But it's your choice; you seem to be getting something out of interacting with him, so if so, continue, as long as it is fun or interesting for you. I am not in a position to criticize this, having been sucked into similar confrontations with Judy for so many years. Finally I decided they -- and her -- were simply not worth my time. Although Ann equated your opinion with hers it is actually very different. I get it that you are shaking your head about my discussions with him and it has been that way for years with Judy as well. We are both using this writing opportunity in a way that serves us. I at least get that level of respect from you, even if you think I am wasting my time with them. I don't frame it all as getting sucked in obviously. I am using it as a way to express what I want until it stops serving that purpose and then I cut it off. When I cut it off Judy declares victory and Robin escalates his taunts. But I enjoy the ride till I don't. Now, to what you said, re Ann... My interaction with another poster is causing YOU discomfort. Think about that. That's really the issue with Ann's involvement here. Nothing that goes on between you and Robin concerns her in the least, but she *takes advantage of it* to berate you and defend Robin. Given the fact that we are talking about a person (Ann) who was verbally and psychically abused by Robin for 3-1/2 FUCKING YEARS, one simply has to wonder WHY.
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Is it - what do you think about attributing someone's behavior to BDSM rituals and labels from DSM? Emily shows lot of intelligence, sensitivity behind her observations not idiotic reactive garbage like yours. On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:24 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Is it - what do you think about attributing someone's behavior to BDSM rituals and labels from DSM? Emily shows lot of intelligence, sensitivity behind her observations not idiotic reactive garbage like yours. What were you saying now? Remember my rap from yesterday. That your brazen, callously idiotic reactive posts creating the illusion that someone like you and your posts somehow demand an equal footing? Did you read the last two posts of Emily before today? The intelligence, sensitivity she displays even for someone like Curtis? She is a strong, mature, intelligent woman but that feminine sensitivity, love, forgiveness that came through in her posts? I was impressed - something for me to emulate as a man. Contrast that with your pack leader's rabid responses to Ann and Emily. Get it? Take your time, I have a lot of understanding for your disability. On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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No, I'm busy working and sending some quick responses to your idiotic posts. You are so powerless to not fall prey to your inclinations, you can't even stop yourself from exhibiting the exact behavior that I have been talking about. Powerless to stop, clueless to see it - It's hilarious Steve. On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Ravi, are you crying? You sound like you are crying. Everything is fine. I still love you. Devi still loves you. All is well, my little child. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:24 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Is it - what do you think about attributing someone's behavior to BDSM rituals and labels from DSM? Emily shows lot of intelligence, sensitivity behind her observations not idiotic reactive garbage like yours. What were you saying now? Remember my rap from yesterday. That your brazen, callously idiotic reactive posts creating the illusion that someone like you and your posts somehow demand an equal footing? Did you read the last two posts of Emily before today? The intelligence, sensitivity she displays even for someone like Curtis? She is a strong, mature, intelligent woman but that feminine sensitivity, love, forgiveness that came through in her posts? I was impressed - something for me to emulate as a man. Contrast that with your pack leader's rabid responses to Ann and Emily. Get it? Take your time, I have a lot of understanding for your disability. On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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Well Curtis and you will be always my bitches err Bhaktas. Bitches for life, Bhaktas for life LOL. On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:36 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: I visualize Ravi doing battle with himself in a black bag, not realizing that the person he is beating up on is his own self. It's pretty comical. He comes out triumphant, I beat to hell that mofo! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: All turban and no water buffalo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Is it - what do you think about attributing someone's behavior to BDSM rituals and labels from DSM? Emily shows lot of intelligence, sensitivity behind her observations not idiotic reactive garbage like yours. What were you saying now? On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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And I already got my refunds back. I need to stop loaning the governments (both state and federal) money. But I'm not an armchair tax wonk like a lot of people. I can barely stand to do my CPA's worksheet and I have to kick myself in the butt to keep my accounting entries up to date. Some of us are just not oriented for such things, especially us right brained types. At that I finally got the name of a local tax preparer to deal with for this coming year. My current one was across the street from the place I worked at in the 1990s but that's 20 miles away and she charges at least $100 more than the new guy. And it looks like she is retiring and her son is taking over. The new guy is up the street a couple miles. On 04/09/2013 01:22 PM, seventhray27 wrote: You'll feel better when you get that chore done. I know we did. There are sure a range of responses to Curtis' posts. I tend to be in the they make sense camp. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Sorry, Steve.  It's tax time - I'm running a little late due to my presence here over the last week with ya'll.  P.S.  It's not an accusation - it's an observation.  From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE  Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: O.K.  I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself.  Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday.  Magic Carpet Ride (Live)  - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE  Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
My grammer? LOL - what is this childish petulance dear Steve. Sure I had a typo BSM instead of BDSM, but could this have not waited until I got off from work? After I had watched the news, sports highlights, gone to the gym, had a bath, had my dinner. No - you don't care, don't care that I'm busy, I have responsibilities. No concern for my sacrifice, pain, suffering - Damn you Steve. On Apr 9, 2013, at 2:01 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, now I know you've been crying, because your grammer is getting all messed up. Ravi, sloow down. Take a smoke break. Kibbitz a little with your cubicle mate. Getya some bottled water. It's all good Ravi, it's all good. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Well Curtis and you will be always my bitches err Bhaktas. Bitches for life, Bhaktas for life LOL. On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:36 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: I visualize Ravi doing battle with himself in a black bag, not realizing that the person he is beating up on is his own self. It's pretty comical. He comes out triumphant, I beat to hell that mofo! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: All turban and no water buffalo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Is it - what do you think about attributing someone's behavior to BDSM rituals and labels from DSM? Emily shows lot of intelligence, sensitivity behind her observations not idiotic reactive garbage like yours. What were you saying now? On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
OK Steve I'm home and I'm going to give this another shot (without the word idiot in it which clearly stresses you and LG out). LG, laughinggull - I welcome you to answer #7, #8 and #9 as well. 1) Are you aware that your posts are just frivolous, careless, reactionary posts? 2) Can you sense the amount of energy, effort Emily puts into her posts which thereby reflects on her intelligence and sensitivity? 3) Do you think your frivolous posts deserve an equal footing as hers? 4) Considering #1 #2 - do you think you lack credibility and integrity in your questioning of Emily, Ann? 5) Considering #1 #2 - do you think you lack the skills to absorb the content, context, the motivations of any given poster on FFL? 6) Considering #5 - do you think your aligning with Curtis doesn't mean a damn thing - intellectually, integrity wise? 7) Are you able to notice how Curtis doubles down on his assessment of Robin's motivations - from just word-flooding and subjective fantasizing to BDSM rituals (Sado-masochistic, dominative/submissive rituals) and labels from DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Guide of Mental Disorders)? 8) In light of #7 do you not see Curtis and Barry's exchange as bullying Ann? 9) What was your opinion on Robin before today? What new insights did you gather from Curtis's posts today? How did they help you to come to new insights on Robin? I realize this is a lot for you Steve. I am wishing you the best. Love, Ravi On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: My grammer? LOL - what is this childish petulance dear Steve. Sure I had a typo BSM instead of BDSM, but could this have not waited until I got off from work? After I had watched the news, sports highlights, gone to the gym, had a bath, had my dinner. No - you don't care, don't care that I'm busy, I have responsibilities. No concern for my sacrifice, pain, suffering - Damn you Steve. On Apr 9, 2013, at 2:01 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, now I know you've been crying, because your grammer is getting all messed up. Ravi, sloow down. Take a smoke break. Kibbitz a little with your cubicle mate. Getya some bottled water. It's all good Ravi, it's all good. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Well Curtis and you will be always my bitches err Bhaktas. Bitches for life, Bhaktas for life LOL. On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:36 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: I visualize Ravi doing battle with himself in a black bag, not realizing that the person he is beating up on is his own self. It's pretty comical. He comes out triumphant, I beat to hell that mofo! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: All turban and no water buffalo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Is it - what do you think about attributing someone's behavior to BDSM rituals and labels from DSM? Emily shows lot of intelligence, sensitivity behind her observations not idiotic reactive garbage like yours. What were you saying now? On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@wrote
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My Devi was all turban and no water buffalo on the buffalo-demon Mahishasura - ya dig? On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: ** All turban and no water buffalo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Is it - what do you think about attributing someone's behavior to BDSM rituals and labels from DSM? Emily shows lot of intelligence, sensitivity behind her observations not idiotic reactive garbage like yours. What were you saying now? On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Sort of cowardly, don't ya think, to make a vague accusation like this and then run off? Or maybe we're supposed to divine what is intended? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: O.K. Â I'm back for the moment - I'm so unreliable - but I can't help myself. Â Curtis, you have outdone yourself, or maybe the word is undone yourself with your posts of today/yesterday. Â Magic Carpet Ride (Live) Â - You don't know what we can see. Enjoy. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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Emily sometimes, and this is one of those times, you misread me to such an extent that I don't even know where to begin. Ok, using it as an example, I'll start with the end where you say that I never owe you an apology. But Emily I never think I OWE anyone an apology. I make an apology when I think I might have hurt someone's feelings. There's no sense of obligation on my part. So you see right there's a big misunderstanding. And if a few posts accumulate, then the misunderstandings accumulate and become like a tight ball of string, seemingly impossible to unravel. Plus you seem to make a lot of assumptions that I don't like you and or your posts neither of which is true. So more string to be unraveled. And in this current kerfufel, I seem to have misunderstood about your burn. I thought you told Curtis or someone that you had gotten physically burned. So I was offering some possible remedies. But it's true that I read posts quickly and skim long posts so I can get mixed up. It sounded like you were enjoying your exchanges with Curtis so I felt fine asking you rhetorically if FFL isn't funny and fun. Anyway, I hope you got your taxes done pretty easily. And I bet there's at least one good country song about taxes (-: Share From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Share, I have no idea why you are apologizing for this. You have exactly demonstrated the principle of what Judy is saying. First, the comment you made about isn't it fun and funny was completely dismissive of my posts. Not to mention, you missed entirely what I was writing, why I was writing it, the context for why I was writing it. With regard to yourself, my communication to you started with my objection to your Dolphie posts and my posting, in response, that gypsy lament. I thought your posts callous and crude and disrespectful to all of the WWII casualties, also completely irrelevant/dismissive to what Robin was saying, but more than that, I was simply offended and was giving you feedback. I am just telling you how what you wrote affected me in the moment - I am over it and won't hold it against you. I am acutely aware that I don't think or communicate like you and I can't know what you were thinking or feeling when you wrote those posts - I give you, as a person certainly, the benefit of the doubt - I didn't give your posts as much. In applying what Steve said about you communicating from a different angle, etc., I see that more and more and I often get a kick out of what you post (I am not holding a grudge either.) I appreciate that you acknowledge below that you did have a grudge or two last year and that you were not choosing to carry the term psychological rape forward. It's not an apology, but it is an indirect acknowledgement of a shift in your perception. One thing about FFL being an internet forum Share...it's conducive to illuminating our inner selves, our internal reality about ourselves, how we think, judgments we hold, potential discrepancies between our inner and our outer presentation, etc. (to ourselves and others'). If we show up, we subject ourselves to the possibility of feedback in many forms. It may or may not apply, but it may show up and one has no real control over it. You both give and receive here, whether you like it or not. And, just for the record, you never *owe me* an apology Share, just so you know. I'm over that misconception when it comes to FFL and the role it plays in my life. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE You're right. I did an advanced search and it was Raunchy who used the term social aikido to describe an exchange I had with turq. Sorry if I offended you Ann. Sorry if I didn't give you credit, Raunchy. Sorry, Robin for my faulty memory. Sorry, Emily that I thought you were enjoying yourself on FFL when you weren't. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 12:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: (snip) it was a Judy style correction for Judy who forgot that my appt is on Sunday afternoon* Um, and you thought you were correcting what from me? My not carrying the grudge energy into 2013 also is applied to you as best as I can in any given moment. So no need to be concerned about psychological rape on my account. Interesting, Share
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: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Â Any chance we can claim just one of the OC or D? If so, I would like to place dibs on obsessive because that is how I pursue all my interests (although I prefer passionate to describe my focus). That would allow Judy to claim compulsive which sounds about right for where she is on the spectrum. Of course no one should deny that the winner of disorder should rightfully be Robin. Even Robin might cop to that. Or he would let loose a word flood denial of it that would just prove the point definitely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@wrote: On 04/09/2013 07:25 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch... I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult... Bhairitu: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Or, lower yours - there's hardly anything to read here in the first place, so anyone who posts something here is doing us a service. So, I'd like to say thanks to all the FFL informants. With MMY gone, the only comings and goings we can keep up with are a few of the locals and a couple of expats. Go figure. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to - you should understand this, living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon. LoL! So you find petty adolescent squabbling of OCD types interesting? You must have a lot of fun on teen sites. :-D
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Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Emily sometimes, and this is one of those times, you misread me to such an extent that I don't even know where to begin. Ok, using it as an example, I'll start with the end where you say that I never owe you an apology. But Emily I never think I OWE anyone an apology. I make an apology when I think I might have hurt someone's feelings. There's no sense of obligation on my part. So you see right there's a big misunderstanding. And if a few posts accumulate, then the misunderstandings accumulate and become like a tight ball of string, seemingly impossible to unravel. Plus you seem to make a lot of assumptions that I don't like you and or your posts neither of which is true. So more string to be unraveled. And in this current kerfufel, I seem to have misunderstood about your burn. I thought you told Curtis or someone that you had gotten physically burned. So I was offering some possible remedies. But it's true that I read posts quickly and skim long posts so I can get mixed up. It sounded like you were enjoying your exchanges with Curtis so I felt fine asking you rhetorically if FFL isn't funny and fun. Anyway, I hope you got your taxes done pretty easily. And I bet there's at least one good country song about taxes (-: Share From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Share, I have no idea why you are apologizing for this. You have exactly demonstrated the principle of what Judy is saying. First, the comment you made about isn't it fun and funny was completely dismissive of my posts. Not to mention, you missed entirely what I was writing, why I was writing it, the context for why I was writing it. With regard to yourself, my communication to you started with my objection to your Dolphie posts and my posting, in response, that gypsy lament. I thought your posts callous and crude and disrespectful to all of the WWII casualties, also completely irrelevant/dismissive to what Robin was saying, but more than that, I was simply offended and was giving you feedback. I am just telling you how what you wrote affected me in the moment - I am over it and won't hold it against you. I am acutely aware that I don't think or communicate like you and I can't know what you were thinking or feeling when you wrote those posts - I give you, as a person certainly, the benefit of the doubt - I didn't give your posts as much. In applying what Steve said about you communicating from a different angle, etc., I see that more and more and I often get a kick out of what you post (I am not holding a grudge either.) I appreciate that you acknowledge below that you did have a grudge or two last year and that you were not choosing to carry the term psychological rape forward. It's not an apology, but it is an indirect acknowledgement of a shift in your perception. One thing about FFL being an internet forum Share...it's conducive to illuminating our inner selves, our internal reality about ourselves, how we think, judgments we hold, potential discrepancies between our inner and our outer presentation, etc. (to ourselves and others'). If we show up, we subject ourselves to the possibility of feedback in many forms. It may or may not apply, but it may show up and one has no real control over it. You both give and receive here, whether you like it or not. And, just for the record, you never *owe me* an apology Share, just so you know. I'm over that misconception when it comes to FFL and the role it plays in my life. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE You're right. I did an advanced search and it was Raunchy who used the term social aikido to describe an exchange I had with turq. Sorry if I offended you Ann. Sorry if I didn't give you credit, Raunchy. Sorry, Robin for my faulty memory. Sorry, Emily that I thought you were enjoying yourself on FFL when you weren't. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 12:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: (snip) it was a Judy style correction for Judy who forgot that my appt is on Sunday afternoon* Um, and you thought you were correcting what from me? My not carrying the grudge energy into 2013 also is applied to you as best as I can in any given moment. So no need to be concerned about psychological rape
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Judy and Ann, as in 12 Steps, I tend to focus on the making amends part of an apology. Even in our recent exchange I asked Robin how I could make amends for misunderstanding him about his turq post and Curtis exchange. For me it is the making amends that is the sine qua non of an apology and this is where the cost comes in. And of course the cost or amends is meant to address the actual consequences. Such as a restitution of money in the case of a compulsive gambler who lost the family savings for example. But the first step is to offer apologies and amends and the second step is up to the other person. Robin and I did not get to the second step last year. And it seems we're not getting to it again. But I've made my offer and stand by it. As for frequency, it could be from my Catholic upbringing. In those days many people went to confession every week. Also I say it just in case I've hurt someone's feelings. The better I know FFL people the more I'll dispense with that. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 12:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: (snip) You and Robin seemed to be able to engage in some wonderful dialogue back then. And for the record, I DO think Curtis meant that from the BEGINNING, (I'm not bothering with the outset or the onset, I'm not getting embroiled in the semantics of that) Right, that's irrelevant. That was laughinggull's error, and even if LG had been correct, it would have made no difference to what Curtis said. that Robin was itching for some kind of fight with you. Curtis is arguing against this but I am not buying that There are a number of reasons not to buy it, including his insistence that it was obvious what he meant when what was obvious was that what he said was at best *ambiguous*. Furthermore, he completely ignored the fact that Robin was responding to an extremely unfriendly post of Share's, in which she had accused him of being sarcastic and accusatory when [Curtis] sounded reasonable. This was with reference to Robin's critique of Curtis's response to your post about Barry, Ann. (snip) I believe I have said this before to you, but not in quite the same way; apologizing can be a means of avoidance. It can appear so generalized, so non-specific that it seeks to encompass everything and manages to address nothing relevant. You blanket the world with apologies just in case offense has been taken somewhere. It is like you seek to inoculate yourself against possible offense taken by others before they even have time to react. It also cheapens the significance of the apology. If someone is constantly apologizing for insignificant or nonexistent offenses thinking it will make themselves look good, what will an apology from this person mean for something that really requires an apology? If an apology costs nothing to make, it's worthless to the person to whom it is given. It would cost Share something to apologize for calling Robin a psychological rapist. But she isn't willing to give that much of herself to right the grievous wrong for which she was responsible.
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Thanks Curtis and feste for weighing in on all this. I'm aiming to avoid anything to do with last year's upset between me and Robin unless HE wants to discuss it offline. I have no desire to subject other FFL posters to all that again. As for the current upset, I've apologized and offered to make amends so I think the next step is Robin's. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 9:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE Back when this first came up I supported Share's flamboyant choice of words to sum up how it feels to be the focus of Robin's assumption that you are not aligned with reality and his writing is going to jolt you into an ability to face life in a Robin approved more real way. I call it mindfuckery, but Share's term conveys more how invasive this unfriendly assumption feels from the receiving end. Combined with the word flooding it is quite unpleasant. In my view it would be Robin who would owe the apology for acting in a way that would make someone think this term was the best way to describe it. And instead of taking the feedback of how far over the boundaries line he had crossed... she got and still gets the predictable pile on for feeling this way. Note to Share: You will never be able to appease this unfriendly agenda no matter what you say. It is s double bind where the sincerity of even an unnecessary apology will be judged by them. And again you will lose because that is how the formula works. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Nothing you have to say, Share, about apologizing or making amends is the least bit credible as long as you have not apologized for calling Robin a psychological rapist. In that case you and Robin never got to the second step because you never took the first step. I'm virtually positive that second step would be forthcoming from Robin as soon as you were to take the first step: he would forgive you if you apologized sincerely. That you have not yet done so is a terrible blot on your character. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy and Ann, as in 12 Steps, I tend to focus on the making amends part of an apology. Even in our recent exchange I asked Robin how I could make amends for misunderstanding him about his turq post and Curtis exchange. For me it is the making amends that is the sine qua non of an apology and this is where the cost comes in. And of course the cost or amends is meant to address the actual consequences. Such as a restitution of money in the case of a compulsive gambler who lost the family savings for example. But the first step is to offer apologies and amends and the second step is up to the other person. Robin and I did not get to the second step last year. And it seems we're not getting to it again. But I've made my offer and stand by it. As for frequency, it could be from my Catholic upbringing. In those days many people went to confession every week. Also I say it just in case I've hurt someone's feelings. The better I know FFL people the more I'll dispense with that. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 12:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: (snip) You and Robin seemed to be able to engage in some wonderful dialogue back then. And for the record, I DO think Curtis meant that from the BEGINNING, (I'm not bothering with the outset or the onset, I'm not getting embroiled in the semantics of that) Right, that's irrelevant. That was laughinggull's error, and even if LG had been correct, it would have made no difference to what Curtis said. that Robin was itching for some kind of fight with you. Curtis is arguing against this but I am not buying that There are a number of reasons not to buy it, including his insistence that it was obvious what he meant when what was obvious was that what he said was at best *ambiguous*. Furthermore, he completely ignored the fact that Robin was responding to an extremely unfriendly post of Share's, in which she had accused him of being sarcastic and accusatory when [Curtis] sounded reasonable. This was with reference to Robin's critique of Curtis's response to your post about Barry, Ann. (snip) I believe I have said this before to you, but not in quite the same way; apologizing can be a means of avoidance. It can appear so generalized, so non-specific that it seeks to encompass everything and manages to address nothing relevant. You blanket the world
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On 04/08/2013 10:57 AM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Back when this first came up I supported Share's flamboyant choice of words to sum up how it feels to be the focus of Robin's assumption that you are not aligned with reality and his writing is going to jolt you into an ability to face life in a Robin approved more real way. I call it mindfuckery, but Share's term conveys more how invasive this unfriendly assumption feels from the receiving end. Combined with the word flooding it is quite unpleasant. Neither of you have anything on my experience with Robin, not even close, not even in the same ballpark. Three and a half years around him physically up to 10-15 hours a day just puts my exposure to his mindfuckery, his word flooding so far beyond your ability to even conceive of such a thing that it makes me smile, just a little. And boy, you think he can mess with you now, 30 years ago you would have lasted about an hour at the mic. And even during all that time I wouldn't have characterized it as 'psychological rape. I could and would and did call it lots of other things but never quite that. Still, you have the option to stop reading, stop responding but you don't. I noticed recently that when you have been absent for a while and Robin intermittently shows up so do you. So somewhere, somehow, for some reason, you keep gravitating toward the opportunity to interact with him. Now either stop whining and complaining or ignore him and all things 'him' totally. Huh? No he doesn't. Curtis is often on here and he always actually brings something worth reading, unlike Robin who just seems to bring his mental health problems for an airing. Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch. I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult. Is only lasting an hour at the mic something to be ashamed of then? Seems there is a lot of ego involved there Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-)
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Man what hypocritical bullshit. If it's Barry and Curtis it's all impartial, monotonous set of POV's, it's a rap, it's stream of consciousness, it's harmless likes and dislikes, just benign preferences. If its others it's mindfuckery, it's unpleasant, unfriendly, unwelcome word flood, it's toxic energy directed at strangers, it's trollish behavior - even psychological rape's now approved by His Holiness. A master of deception at work. On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:40 AM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: Back when this first came up I supported Share's flamboyant choice of words to sum up how it feels to be the focus of Robin's assumption that you are not aligned with reality and his writing is going to jolt you into an ability to face life in a Robin approved more real way. I call it mindfuckery, but Share's term conveys more how invasive this unfriendly assumption feels from the receiving end. Combined with the word flooding it is quite unpleasant. In my view it would be Robin who would owe the apology for acting in a way that would make someone think this term was the best way to describe it. And instead of taking the feedback of how far over the boundaries line he had crossed... she got and still gets the predictable pile on for feeling this way. Note to Share: You will never be able to appease this unfriendly agenda no matter what you say. It is s double bind where the sincerity of even an unnecessary apology will be judged by them. And again you will lose because that is how the formula works. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Nothing you have to say, Share, about apologizing or making amends is the least bit credible as long as you have not apologized for calling Robin a psychological rapist. In that case you and Robin never got to the second step because you never took the first step. I'm virtually positive that second step would be forthcoming from Robin as soon as you were to take the first step: he would forgive you if you apologized sincerely. That you have not yet done so is a terrible blot on your character. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy and Ann, as in 12 Steps, I tend to focus on the making amends part of an apology. Even in our recent exchange I asked Robin how I could make amends for misunderstanding him about his turq post and Curtis exchange. For me it is the making amends that is the sine qua non of an apology and this is where the cost comes in. And of course the cost or amends is meant to address the actual consequences. Such as a restitution of money in the case of a compulsive gambler who lost the family savings for example. But the first step is to offer apologies and amends and the second step is up to the other person. Robin and I did not get to the second step last year. And it seems we're not getting to it again. But I've made my offer and stand by it. As for frequency, it could be from my Catholic upbringing. In those days many people went to confession every week. Also I say it just in case I've hurt someone's feelings. The better I know FFL people the more I'll dispense with that. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 12:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: (snip) You and Robin seemed to be able to engage in some wonderful dialogue back then. And for the record, I DO think Curtis meant that from the BEGINNING, (I'm not bothering with the outset or the onset, I'm not getting embroiled in the semantics of that) Right, that's irrelevant. That was laughinggull's error, and even if LG had been correct, it would have made no difference to what Curtis said. that Robin was itching for some kind of fight with you. Curtis is arguing against this but I am not buying that There are a number of reasons not to buy it, including his insistence that it was obvious what he meant when what was obvious was that what he said was at best *ambiguous*. Furthermore, he completely ignored the fact that Robin was responding to an extremely unfriendly post of Share's, in which she had accused him of being sarcastic and accusatory when [Curtis] sounded reasonable. This was with reference to Robin's critique of Curtis's response to your post about Barry, Ann. (snip) I believe I have said this before to you, but not in quite the same way; apologizing can be a means of avoidance. It can appear so generalized, so non-specific that it seeks to encompass everything and manages to address nothing relevant
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No salyavin baby if you can move past your fascination, obsession, envy for chins and your obsession for Venn diagrams you can make your idiotic brain think straight. On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:57 AM, salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Back when this first came up I supported Share's flamboyant choice of words to sum up how it feels to be the focus of Robin's assumption that you are not aligned with reality and his writing is going to jolt you into an ability to face life in a Robin approved more real way. I call it mindfuckery, but Share's term conveys more how invasive this unfriendly assumption feels from the receiving end. Combined with the word flooding it is quite unpleasant. Neither of you have anything on my experience with Robin, not even close, not even in the same ballpark. Three and a half years around him physically up to 10-15 hours a day just puts my exposure to his mindfuckery, his word flooding so far beyond your ability to even conceive of such a thing that it makes me smile, just a little. And boy, you think he can mess with you now, 30 years ago you would have lasted about an hour at the mic. And even during all that time I wouldn't have characterized it as 'psychological rape. I could and would and did call it lots of other things but never quite that. Still, you have the option to stop reading, stop responding but you don't. I noticed recently that when you have been absent for a while and Robin intermittently shows up so do you. So somewhere, somehow, for some reason, you keep gravitating toward the opportunity to interact with him. Now either stop whining and complaining or ignore him and all things 'him' totally. Huh? No he doesn't. Curtis is often on here and he always actually brings something worth reading, unlike Robin who just seems to bring his mental health problems for an airing. Like Judy, the guy is obsessed and it's fucking weird to watch. I also can't imagine still being impressed with Robins empty cult. Is only lasting an hour at the mic something to be ashamed of then? Seems there is a lot of ego involved there
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Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-) Did you forget - It's radiation Uncleji that clouding your mind. Don't let all this distract you - you are the pride of all Bay Area conspiracy theorists - don't let them down !!! On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yeah, I can't believe the adolescent hoo-ha gets the patients in the Funny Farm Lounge going. Guess we need to up their meds. ;-)
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On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Man what hypocritical bullshit. If it's Barry and Curtis it's all impartial, monotonous set of POV's, it's a rap, it's stream of consciousness, it's harmless likes and dislikes, just benign preferences. If its others it's mindfuckery, it's unpleasant, unfriendly, unwelcome word flood, it's toxic energy directed at strangers, it's trollish behavior - even psychological rape's now approved by His Holiness. A master of deception at work. So true, Kapati, so true. Please continue... Wrong. Krishna is the real kapati - But Rakshasaas are also kapati. What's the difference dear LG Shishyaa?
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On Apr 8, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Man what hypocritical bullshit. If it's Barry and Curtis it's all impartial, monotonous set of POV's, it's a rap, it's stream of consciousness, it's harmless likes and dislikes, just benign preferences. If its others it's mindfuckery, it's unpleasant, unfriendly, unwelcome word flood, it's toxic energy directed at strangers, it's trollish behavior - even psychological rape's now approved by His Holiness. A master of deception at work. So true, Kapati, so true. Please continue... Wrong. Krishna is the real kapati - But Rakshasaas are also kapati. What's the difference dear LG Shishyaa? God I fucked up, even Krishna fucks up LOL. Anyway, once again what's the difference Bhakta?
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On Apr 8, 2013, at 2:43 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Wrong. Krishna is the real kapati - But Rakshasaas are also kapati. What's the difference dear LG Shishyaa? God I fucked up, even Krishna fucks up LOL. Anyway, once again what's the difference Bhakta? Raviji, as one deals, He'll also...He reciprocates. That is Krsna. Awesome, yes Krishna meets love with love and humility and deception with deception and arrogance. Dear LG - You have been awarded the Best Bonafide Bhakta of the Kali Yuga by the Kaliyuga Kapati Krishna - Yaay !!! Love you LG XOXO.
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to jolt you into an ability to face life in a Robin approved more real way. I call it mindfuckery, but Share's term conveys more how invasive this unfriendly assumption feels from the receiving end. Combined with the word flooding it is quite unpleasant. Neither of you have anything on my experience with Robin, not even close, not even in the same ballpark. Three and a half years around him physically up to 10-15 hours a day just puts my exposure to his mindfuckery, his word flooding so far beyond your ability to even conceive of such a thing that it makes me smile, just a little. And boy, you think he can mess with you now, 30 years ago you would have lasted about an hour at the mic. And even during all that time I wouldn't have characterized it as 'psychological rape. I could and would and did call it lots of other things but never quite that. Still, you have the option to stop reading, stop responding but you don't. I noticed recently that when you have been absent for a while and Robin intermittently shows up so do you. So somewhere, somehow, for some reason, you keep gravitating toward the opportunity to interact with him. Now either stop whining and complaining or ignore him and all things 'him' totally. In my view it would be Robin who would owe the apology for acting in a way that would make someone think this term was the best way to describe it. And instead of taking the feedback of how far over the boundaries line he had crossed... she got and still gets the predictable pile on for feeling this way. Note to Share: You will never be able to appease this unfriendly agenda no matter what you say. It is s double bind where the sincerity of even an unnecessary apology will be judged by them. And again you will lose because that is how the formula works. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Nothing you have to say, Share, about apologizing or making amends is the least bit credible as long as you have not apologized for calling Robin a psychological rapist. In that case you and Robin never got to the second step because you never took the first step. I'm virtually positive that second step would be forthcoming from Robin as soon as you were to take the first step: he would forgive you if you apologized sincerely. That you have not yet done so is a terrible blot on your character. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy and Ann, as in 12 Steps, I tend to focus on the making amends part of an apology. Even in our recent exchange I asked Robin how I could make amends for misunderstanding him about his turq post and Curtis exchange. For me it is the making amends that is the sine qua non of an apology and this is where the cost comes in. And of course the cost or amends is meant to address the actual consequences. Such as a restitution of money in the case of a compulsive gambler who lost the family savings for example. But the first step is to offer apologies and amends and the second step is up to the other person. Robin and I did not get to the second step last year. And it seems we're not getting to it again. But I've made my offer and stand by it. As for frequency, it could be from my Catholic upbringing. In those days many people went to confession every week. Also I say it just in case I've hurt someone's feelings. The better I know FFL people the more I'll dispense with that. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 12:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: (snip) You and Robin seemed to be able to engage in some wonderful dialogue back then. And for the record, I DO think Curtis meant that from the BEGINNING, (I'm not bothering with the outset or the onset, I'm not getting embroiled in the semantics of that) Right, that's irrelevant. That was laughinggull's error, and even if LG had been correct, it would have made no difference to what Curtis said. that Robin was itching for some kind of fight with you. Curtis is arguing against this but I am not buying that There are a number of reasons not to buy
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and coherent. Yes, I agree --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Back when this first came up I supported Share's flamboyant choice of words to sum up how it feels to be the focus of Robin's assumption that you are not aligned with reality and his writing is going to jolt you into an ability to face life in a Robin approved more real way. I call it mindfuckery, but Share's term conveys more how invasive this unfriendly assumption feels from the receiving end. Combined with the word flooding it is quite unpleasant. Neither of you have anything on my experience with Robin, not even close, not even in the same ballpark. Three and a half years around him physically up to 10-15 hours a day just puts my exposure to his mindfuckery, his word flooding so far beyond your ability to even conceive of such a thing that it makes me smile, just a little. And boy, you think he can mess with you now, 30 years ago you would have lasted about an hour at the mic. And even during all that time I wouldn't have characterized it as 'psychological rape. I could and would and did call it lots of other things but never quite that. Still, you have the option to stop reading, stop responding but you don't. I noticed recently that when you have been absent for a while and Robin intermittently shows up so do you. So somewhere, somehow, for some reason, you keep gravitating toward the opportunity to interact with him. Now either stop whining and complaining or ignore him and all things 'him' totally. In my view it would be Robin who would owe the apology for acting in a way that would make someone think this term was the best way to describe it. And instead of taking the feedback of how far over the boundaries line he had crossed... she got and still gets the predictable pile on for feeling this way. Note to Share: You will never be able to appease this unfriendly agenda no matter what you say. It is s double bind where the sincerity of even an unnecessary apology will be judged by them. And again you will lose because that is how the formula works. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Nothing you have to say, Share, about apologizing or making amends is the least bit credible as long as you have not apologized for calling Robin a psychological rapist. In that case you and Robin never got to the second step because you never took the first step. I'm virtually positive that second step would be forthcoming from Robin as soon as you were to take the first step: he would forgive you if you apologized sincerely. That you have not yet done so is a terrible blot on your character. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy and Ann, as in 12 Steps, I tend to focus on the making amends part of an apology. Even in our recent exchange I asked Robin how I could make amends for misunderstanding him about his turq post and Curtis exchange. For me it is the making amends that is the sine qua non of an apology and this is where the cost comes in. And of course the cost or amends is meant to address the actual consequences. Such as a restitution of money in the case of a compulsive gambler who lost the family savings for example. But the first step is to offer apologies and amends and the second step is up to the other person. Robin and I did not get to the second step last year. And it seems we're not getting to it again. But I've made my offer and stand by it. As for frequency, it could be from my Catholic upbringing. In those days many people went to confession every week. Also I say it just in case I've hurt someone's feelings. The better I know FFL people the more I'll dispense with that. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 12:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann
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You're right. I did an advanced search and it was Raunchy who used the term social aikido to describe an exchange I had with turq. Sorry if I offended you Ann. Sorry if I didn't give you credit, Raunchy. Sorry, Robin for my faulty memory. Sorry, Emily that I thought you were enjoying yourself on FFL when you weren't. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 12:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: (snip) it was a Judy style correction for Judy who forgot that my appt is on Sunday afternoon* Um, and you thought you were correcting what from me? My not carrying the grudge energy into 2013 also is applied to you as best as I can in any given moment. So no need to be concerned about psychological rape on my account. Interesting, Share will apologize at the drop of a hat even when she hasn't done anything to apologize for, but she simply cannot pry an apology out of her mouth (or fingers) for having accused Robin of psychological rape. It seems that you don't remember that AWB also compared our exchanges to verbal aikido (-: Hmmm, I don't either. And somehow it doesn't seem to be in the archives. Ann, do *you* remember saying this? Sorry, yahoo is still being wonky and sometimes I forget to look at Message View. I missed your first posting of the poignant poem about talking in bed. It touched me and my sentimental heart. I hope you can, in relation to me, adopt Curtis' style of gentle acceptance. I hope Robin is able to see you're making progress in learning how to do irony. (Fortunately I use a plastic cover on my keyboard, or it would be dead of coffee poisoning.)
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Share, I have no idea why you are apologizing for this. You have exactly demonstrated the principle of what Judy is saying. First, the comment you made about isn't it fun and funny was completely dismissive of my posts. Not to mention, you missed entirely what I was writing, why I was writing it, the context for why I was writing it. With regard to yourself, my communication to you started with my objection to your Dolphie posts and my posting, in response, that gypsy lament. I thought your posts callous and crude and disrespectful to all of the WWII casualties, also completely irrelevant/dismissive to what Robin was saying, but more than that, I was simply offended and was giving you feedback. I am just telling you how what you wrote affected me in the moment - I am over it and won't hold it against you. I am acutely aware that I don't think or communicate like you and I can't know what you were thinking or feeling when you wrote those posts - I give you, as a person certainly, the benefit of the doubt - I didn't give your posts as much. In applying what Steve said about you communicating from a different angle, etc., I see that more and more and I often get a kick out of what you post (I am not holding a grudge either.) I appreciate that you acknowledge below that you did have a grudge or two last year and that you were not choosing to carry the term psychological rape forward. It's not an apology, but it is an indirect acknowledgement of a shift in your perception. One thing about FFL being an internet forum Share...it's conducive to illuminating our inner selves, our internal reality about ourselves, how we think, judgments we hold, potential discrepancies between our inner and our outer presentation, etc. (to ourselves and others'). If we show up, we subject ourselves to the possibility of feedback in many forms. It may or may not apply, but it may show up and one has no real control over it. You both give and receive here, whether you like it or not. And, just for the record, you never *owe me* an apology Share, just so you know. I'm over that misconception when it comes to FFL and the role it plays in my life. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE You're right. I did an advanced search and it was Raunchy who used the term social aikido to describe an exchange I had with turq. Sorry if I offended you Ann. Sorry if I didn't give you credit, Raunchy. Sorry, Robin for my faulty memory. Sorry, Emily that I thought you were enjoying yourself on FFL when you weren't. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 12:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: (snip) it was a Judy style correction for Judy who forgot that my appt is on Sunday afternoon* Um, and you thought you were correcting what from me? My not carrying the grudge energy into 2013 also is applied to you as best as I can in any given moment. So no need to be concerned about psychological rape on my account. Interesting, Share will apologize at the drop of a hat even when she hasn't done anything to apologize for, but she simply cannot pry an apology out of her mouth (or fingers) for having accused Robin of psychological rape. It seems that you don't remember that AWB also compared our exchanges to verbal aikido (-: Hmmm, I don't either. And somehow it doesn't seem to be in the archives. Ann, do *you* remember saying this? Sorry, yahoo is still being wonky and sometimes I forget to look at Message View. I missed your first posting of the poignant poem about talking in bed. It touched me and my sentimental heart. I hope you can, in relation to me, adopt Curtis' style of gentle acceptance. I hope Robin is able to see you're making progress in learning how to do irony. (Fortunately I use a plastic cover on my keyboard, or it would be dead of coffee poisoning.)
