date:20131018

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thrill of the chaste - excellent title! Thanks for the link.

Back in my TM days, I knew a woman who had two Ph.D.s
(and was once told directly by Maharishi with regard to this
accomplishment, Good...that will make you a better
conversationalist for your husband) who wrote a book
about celibacy in spiritual traditions.

I've never forgotten the subtitle she proposed to her publisher
(rejected, for what will be obvious reasons) for her book:
real title: Guilt Without Sex.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Bullshit - Holier than Thou

2013-10-18 Thread iranitea

Bagunnara, Ravi 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 I had to come out of lurkdom to thank you for this beautiful video dear 
Seraphita. I have long railed against Gandhi, Teresa and Dolly Lama and I 
totally enjoyed this video, it is a good summary of these three 
pseudo-spiritual icons.
 

 That Gandhi was sexually perverted and slept with girls was a well known fact 
to me in India and my generation had no fascination for Gandhi. So I was quite 
baffled by the adoration of Gandhi by liberals and I know I pissed off quite a 
few with my statements on Gandhi. I recently had a chance to read this article 
on the Independent - enjoy.
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html
 

 Ravi.
 

 HI RAVI, GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU!



 

 On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:25 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
 

 Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi and the Dalai Lama get the Penn and Teller 
treatment in this hilarious and foul-mouthed rant.  
 http://tinyurl.com/nv68blw http://tinyurl.com/nv68blw

[FairfieldLife] RE: On Ramana, Yoga and Vedanta

2013-10-18 Thread iranitea

 
 Barry sez: I will reply to this, because for once I agree with Judy. :-)

 WOW, I think we should celebrate this. Maybe a meeting is in place. Paris?

 

 http://www.hulkshare.com/nuchi/nuchi-ft-troy-ave-celebration-master
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, the 
Steinbot wrote:
 
  FWIW, I find this absolutely hilarious, all the way to the
  very top (not just you guys), the most exalted scholarship
  and experience and holiness--and it's the same damn
  bickering and squabbling as on lowly, ignorant FFL.
 
 I will reply to this, because for once I agree with Judy. :-)
 
 I've told this story before, but it's apropos, so I'll tell it
 again. Back in the day, in Boulder, CO, a bunch of folks
 organized what they called Holy Man Jams. They
 would invite supposed holy men -- ALL of them recog-
 nized (at least by their followers) as fully enlightened,
 many of them famous within the American spiritual
 community -- to appear onstage together and debate/
 discuss things.
 
 ALL of these gathering devolved into petty ego arguments
 within minutes of them starting. It was a zoo.
 
 I mean, you had guys onstage (mainly guys, with only
 a few women, which was more a reflection of the times
 than sexism) -- some of them wearing white dhotis, some
 of them wearing the ochre robes of Buddhist monks, some
 in Western clerical garb, and some in street clothes --
 yelling at each other at the top of their lungs over points
 of OPINION that each of them claimed they knew the
 truth about. Blows were occasionally exchanged. Really.
 
 I've seen the same thing over the years inside spiritual
 orgs, as the teacher-in-charge dissed other competing
 teachers and put them down. You *certainly* saw this
 with Maharishi.
 
 Bottom line seems to be just as Judy expressed it -- it's
 bickering all the way down. What, after all, is the real
 difference between a bunch of old women having petty
 ego-arguments over personalities on FFL, a bunch of
 similarly old men having petty ego-arguments on FFL
 about how much they know and how little the other
 person knows, and these supposed holy men?
 
 Where there are people, there are egos. And egos act out.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?

Oh the Satsanga of old of the [Christian] West, Like the so called mystic and
“separatist” groups of so much history in the European West.
There was home [isolated] on the range and now there is Om on the satsanga of
the Christian West.

Empty writes:
This Rock Catholic Evangelical magazine (now called Catholic Answers) has
repeatedly condemned the entry of Hindu TM along with Buddhist Vipassana into
Catholic practice. They consider it all to be the devious subterfuge of the
Evil One working to overthrow the pure teachings of Roman Catholicism.
Empty continues: I agree with their premise. TM and its Vedic roots are in
contradiction to the Sin-Guilt-Redemption miasma of Roman Catholic and
Protestant Christianity. These Western Christian lineages are an Augustinian
deviation from original Christianity - which only still exists (to some extent)
in the Eastern Orthodox church.

However, the Eastern Orthodox teachings and contemplative practices are solely
Christo-centric and have no place (nor need any) for TM practice or theories.
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/360843
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/360843

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Like in Fairfield it [satsang] starts as small living room satsanga or
meetings in home or in the public community meeting rooms with a teacher,
mystic or visiting saint. Friends in meetings. Occasionally it goes straight to
a big space like Adyashanti coming to the Fairfield convention center once. But
Satsanga certainly lives and thrives in an old fashion too under the radar
where necessary in meditating Fairfield, just like in history. It's part of the
story.

Interesting that so many of these spiritual groups that developed historically
had commonly started out around a mystic in meetings held in people's living
rooms then going on towards facilitating around that in to organizations and
becoming a history. In Europe they would have living room meetings [satsanga?]
and then grow in to facilitating groups while defending themselves against the
persecutions that would come from the established local orthodoxy, be that the
Lutherans, Papists, or Anglicans of their day. Then, eventually fleeing to
America.

Thanks. Yes, the world could use a lot more piety. FFL could too.
-Buck the Pious

Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's
post on another thread (power naps): Now, these long-term, incessant
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.:
We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all
contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent
prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though
to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even
the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish
ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

[Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the
divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate
spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]

TM and Quietist Pietistic [meditating] Fairfield, Iowa
in companion as with other historic places like
for instance on the Registry of National Historic Places, organized here A to
Z..

Other Meissner Effect [ME] group meditators...

Amana Colonies
Long Meissner Effect group meditations every day.
http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php
http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php

Brook Farm
http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf
http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf

Pleasant Hill,
Half hour silent meditation twice a day and daily group Meissner Effect [ME]
meditations
http://www.shakervillageky.org/ http://www.shakervillageky.org/

Whittier, Iowa Hicksite Quakers,
National Registry of Historic Places;
Settlement era
Iowa Meissner Effect [ME] Group Meditation:

https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house

Zoar

http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village

[Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the
divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate
spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@...

[FairfieldLife] For Bhairitu, the trailer for Hell, No

http://laughingsquid.com/hell-no-a-horror-movie-starring-characters-that\
-make-good-decisions/
http://laughingsquid.com/hell-no-a-horror-movie-starring-characters-tha\
t-make-good-decisions/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Bullshit - Holier than Thou

but he never screwd 'em!! Alas, another icon falls.

On Fri, 10/18/13, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bullshit - Holier than Thou
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, October 18, 2013, 3:14 AM

   I had to come out of
 lurkdom to thank you for this beautiful video dear
 Seraphita. I have long railed against Gandhi, Teresa and
 Dolly Lama and I totally enjoyed this video, it is a good
 summary of these three pseudo-spiritual icons.

 That Gandhi was sexually
 perverted and slept with girls was a well known fact to me
 in India and my generation had no fascination for Gandhi. So
 I was quite baffled by the adoration of Gandhi by liberals
 and I know I pissed off quite a few with my statements on
 Gandhi. I recently had a chance to read this article on the
 Independent - enjoy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html

 Ravi.

 On Thu, Oct 17, 2013
 at 7:25 PM,  s3raph...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

 Mother Teresa,
 Mahatma Gandhi and the Dalai Lama get the Penn and Teller
 treatment in this hilarious and foul-mouthed
 rant. 
 http://tinyurl.com/nv68blw

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bullshit - Holier than Thou

Churchill didn't much like him either.

On Fri, 10/18/13, s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bullshit - Holier than Thou
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 18, 2013, 3:37 AM

Thrill
of the chaste - excellent title! Thanks for the
link.
Yes, Gandhi
has always been one of my pet peeves. Never been too keen on
Mother Teresa either.
The thing
about Gandhi for me is that, on the one hand, he presented
himself as a naked sadhu - ie, someone who had *renounced*
the world - and yet he was also a political figure - ie
someone who was very much *engaged* with the world (and in a
dangerously naive way to boot). The unthinking veneration in
which he is held baffles me.
And - no doubt
because I'm English - I find the whole sexual hypocrisy
aspect drives me up the wall!
Maybe Penn
Teller were a bit harsh on the Dalai Lama though. He is also
a legitimate political leader and it's hard to keep
squeaky clean in the world of realpolitik.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I had to come out of lurkdom to thank you for
this beautiful video dear Seraphita. I have long railed
against Gandhi, Teresa and Dolly Lama and I totally enjoyed
this video, it is a good summary of these three
pseudo-spiritual icons.

That Gandhi was sexually perverted and slept with
girls was a well known fact to me in India and my generation
had no fascination for Gandhi. So I was quite baffled by the
adoration of Gandhi by liberals and I know I pissed off
quite a few with my statements on Gandhi. I recently had a
chance to read this article on the Independent - enjoy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html

Ravi.

On Thu,
Oct 17, 2013 at 7:25 PM, s3raphita@...
wrote:

Mother
Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi and the Dalai Lama get the Penn and
Teller treatment in this hilarious and foul-mouthed
rant.
http://tinyurl.com/nv68blw

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Most Educated Countries in the World

Ann, I have held my Granny when she expressed fear of dying and kept vigil 
overnight when my step sister was dying after a 6 week long illness in 1992 
when she was 42. I was shocked into total denial when the brother of my SO 
informed me that Gere had died of a heart attack. There was no history of heart 
problems even in their family. At the other extreme: I heard that an 
acquaintance was hiking with friends, looked around, proclaimed, It's so 
beautiful, then dropped dead. And I know of at least one long term TMer who 
did not go gently into that night. So yes I am familiar with a range of 
possible death experiences. 


I was mainly replying to John's statement that obviously death is not pleasant. 
Given all my experiences, it is not obvious to me that death is always a 
totally negative experience though it is certainly always sad for life to end. 
So I wrote another POV to John's statement. 


And though I see why Castaneda's followers may have lied about his passing, I 
do not see why those who post death notices would lie about the passing of a 
loved one. Certainly they could just remain silent about that detail if it was 
a rough passing. 

My step sister was drugged to the gills and then slipped into a coma so her 
passing was quiet. I admit that I hope my parents have a very peaceful passing. 
It would be hard to see them suffer. It's been 4 years since Gere died and for 
a long time I agonized over the fact that he died alone. The coroner told the 
family that his death was instant and he did not suffer. I hope he was telling 
the truth about that, yet am grateful if he was lying.




On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:57 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


Ann, I don't think people are lying about it. Do you?

Whether people are lying or not about the nature of their friend's or 
family's dying is not really my point. I was merely goofing a little because 
you came across so naive and a tad gullible about this and these notices in 
the coat room at the ladies dome. 

If one were to take the trouble to post about the fact that someone had died 
and chose to include a detail about the way they died in their final moments 
they would not, presumably, choose to describe a traumatic or otherwise 
horrible death. Of course they are going to only include those who went with a 
small sigh or were simply comatose at the end. I know that plenty of folks die 
in a drug-induced sleep or simply drift away but plenty do not. Perhaps I just 
wanted you, Share, to acknowledge that death can be horrible, traumatic, 
painful as well as silent and relatively serene.

Both of my parents were the 'victims' of cancer and one simply evaporated to 
nothing until the final overdose of morphine was administered by the hospice 
worker, the other chose to stop using his stomach tube and died of starvation 
and thirst. The third, my sister, went out terrified, cold and confused in a 
submerged car in the darkness on one cold Maine night. She was in the prime of 
her life and didn't go willingly. Death comes, apparently, in many different 
ways.





On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:16 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... 
wrote:
 
  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


John, just to share that death notices on the bulletin board of the coat room 
in the women's Dome often say that the person passed peacefully and or 
blissfully surrounded by friends and family. 

Well, it's highly unlikely that they're going to say they went out screaming.





On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:03 AM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote:
 
  
 Richard,

A Dominican priest, who heads a hospice center here in the Bay Area, stated 
that 90 percent of us will know when death is near.  So, he's saying that for 
most of us, we can prepare for death.  But he didn't say that euthanasia is the 
answer.

IMO, death is a rite of passage that should be respected in a natural way, and 
not hastened by unnatural means.  It is a transforming experience both for the 
dying person and the family members.  But it obviously is not a pleasant one.



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:


CULTURE: “I’m looking for early symptoms of acceptance of euthanasia, which I 
believe will creep in as we Baby Boomers become more and more of a burden.”

'Sympathy for the euthanists'
Posted by Ann Althouse:
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2013/09/sympathy-for-euthanists.html


On 10/16/2013 9:23 PM, jr_esq@... wrote:

  
Seraphita,


Based on historical records, it's apparent that the family unit is the best 
natural way to maintain or improve the quality of people in a given society. 
There is no doubt that genetics are involved in some individuals who excel in 
science, business or sports.  As such, the natural way of selection is 
promoted to let people enjoy the quality of life that is most beneficial for 
the entire world.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most Educated Countries in the World

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 And though I see why Castaneda's followers may have lied
 about his passing, I do not see why those who post death
 notices would lie about the passing of a loved one. Certainly
 they could just remain silent about that detail if it was a
 rough passing.

The reason they'd do this is because they -- like you -- are
sold on the idea of Fairfield being a special place, a
veritable heaven on earth. They're cultists. Cultists lie
all the time to preserve the myths of their cults.

Cultists in Fairfield, for example, see around them a growing
number of TBs just like themselves who are dying of old
age in their early Sixties. This is somewhat damaging to the
image of heaven on earth and the TMO, which once literally
sold Immortality Courses to the rich and gullible.

*Besides* this, according to doctors *most* families tend to
lie about the circumstances of a family member's death if
they were less than pleasant. When someone asks, Did he
die peacefully? it's much easier to reply Yes and brush it
off than it is to say, Well, no...towards the end he had built
up such a resistance to the pain medications that none of
them worked on him any more.

Get it now, dummy?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most Educated Countries in the World

turq, I experience FF as a special place. I'm not sold on that idea. That's an 
important distinction IMO. We have differing opinions about the TMO. That's all.





On Friday, October 18, 2013 6:35 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 And though I see why Castaneda's followers may have lied
 about his passing, I do not see why those who post death
 notices would lie about the passing of a loved one. Certainly
 they could just remain silent about that detail if it was a
 rough passing.

The reason they'd do this is because they -- like you -- are
sold on the idea of Fairfield being a special place, a
veritable heaven on earth. They're cultists. Cultists lie
all the time to preserve the myths of their cults.

Cultists in Fairfield, for example, see around them a growing
number of TBs just like themselves who are dying of old
age in their early Sixties. This is somewhat damaging to the
image of heaven on earth and the TMO, which once literally
sold Immortality Courses to the rich and gullible.

*Besides* this, according to doctors *most* families tend to
lie about the circumstances of a family member's death if
they were less than pleasant. When someone asks, Did he
die peacefully? it's much easier to reply Yes and brush it
off than it is to say, Well, no...towards the end he had built
up such a resistance to the pain medications that none of
them worked on him any more.

Get it now, dummy?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most Educated Countries in the World

It does sometimes work the other way - I knew a man - Richard Kilmer, he was a 
very fine architect and worked on the Men's Dome - I told one of his stories 
here before - he told me he was the one who decided the Dome needed a hand rail 
for more elderly people and kids to get up the stairs and the powers that be 
said no it was too expensive - Richard ordered the wooden hand rail anyway and 
paid for it out of the Dome project's petty cash - the big shots didn't know 
about it till the day it was installed - Richard got kicked off the Dome 
project and out of MIU for his actions

When he died his family didn't say one word in his obit about him ever being 
affiliated with TM or the Movement.

And by the way what exactly were Invincibility Courses? I had never heard of 
them.

On Fri, 10/18/13, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most Educated Countries in the World
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, October 18, 2013, 11:34 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long 
 wrote:
 
 
 
  And though I see why Castaneda's followers may have
 lied
 
  about his passing, I do not see why those who post
 death
 
  notices would lie about the passing of a loved one.
 Certainly
 
  they could just remain silent about that detail if it
 was a
 
  rough passing.
 
 
 
 The reason they'd do this is because they -- like you --
 are
 
 sold on the idea of Fairfield being a special
 place, a
 
 veritable heaven on earth. They're cultists.
 Cultists lie
 
 all the time to preserve the myths of their cults.
 
 
 
 Cultists in Fairfield, for example, see around them a
 growing
 
 number of TBs just like themselves who are dying of
 old
 
 age in their early Sixties. This is somewhat damaging
 to the
 
 image of heaven on earth and the TMO, which once
 literally
 
 sold Immortality Courses to the rich and
 gullible.
 
 
 
 *Besides* this, according to doctors *most* families tend
 to
 
 lie about the circumstances of a family member's death
 if
 
 they were less than pleasant. When someone asks, Did
 he
 
 die peacefully? it's much easier to reply
 Yes and brush it
 
 off than it is to say, Well, no...towards the end he
 had built
 
 up such a resistance to the pain medications that none of
 
 them worked on him any more.
 
 
 
 Get it now, dummy?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most Educated Countries in the World

turq, dummy or not, one thing I get is that some people are just as invested in 
trashing the TMO as they say others are in not trashing it!





On Friday, October 18, 2013 6:56 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
turq, I experience FF as a special place. I'm not sold on that idea. That's an 
important distinction IMO. We have differing opinions about the TMO. That's all.





On Friday, October 18, 2013 6:35 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 And though I see why Castaneda's followers may have lied
 about his passing, I do not see why those who post death
 notices would lie about the passing of a loved one. Certainly
 they could just remain silent about that detail if it was a
 rough passing.

The reason they'd do this is because they -- like you -- are
sold on the idea of Fairfield being a special place, a
veritable heaven on earth. They're cultists. Cultists lie
all the time to preserve the myths of their cults.

Cultists in Fairfield, for example, see around them a growing
number of TBs just like themselves who are dying of old
age in their early Sixties. This is somewhat damaging to the
image of heaven on earth and the TMO, which once literally
sold Immortality Courses to the rich and gullible.

*Besides* this, according to doctors *most* families tend to
lie about the circumstances of a family member's death if
they were less than pleasant. When someone asks, Did he
die peacefully? it's much easier to reply Yes and brush it
off than it is to say, Well, no...towards the end he had built
up such a resistance to the pain medications that none of
them worked on him any more.

Get it now, dummy?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most Educated Countries in the World

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 And by the way what exactly were Invincibility Courses? I had
 never heard of them.

Not invincibility courses, IMMORTALITY COURSES.

They were long after my time, but as I remember from things
said on a.m.t., they may have been another of the entrance
price one million bucks courses that the TMO sold to gullible
followers. And yep, they promised physical immortality.

The only people I know who admitted to having attended one
of these have all died. 'Nuff said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: News You Can Use

A structured exercise program may be as good or better than frequently
prescribed drugs
for some common cardiovascular ailments, a large meta-analysis has found.

'Exercise As Preventive Medicine'
New York Times:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/exercisehttp://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/exercise-as-preventive-medicine/?_r=0

[image: Inline image 1]

Joining the Perfect Gym:
http://www.bubblews.com/news/459564-joining-the-perfect-gym


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 The squat is one of the best exercises for athletes and the general
 population. Everyone should be doing some form of squats because they work
 the whole body, and studies show squatting to increase lower body strength
 can produce the following benefits...

 'Six Reasons Everyone Should Do Squats'
 http://www.poliquingroup.com/Six_Reasons_Everyone_Should_Do_Squatshttp://www.poliquingroup.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/908/Six_Reasons_Everyone_Should_Do_Squats.aspx

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most Educated Countries in the World

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
 
  And by the way what exactly were Invincibility Courses? I had
  never heard of them.
 
 Not invincibility courses, IMMORTALITY COURSES.
 
 They were long after my time, but as I remember from things
 said on a.m.t., they may have been another of the entrance
 price one million bucks courses that the TMO sold to gullible
 followers. And yep, they promised physical immortality.
 
 The only people I know who admitted to having attended one
 of these have all died. 'Nuff said.

In other contexts, a great recent quote was that 
the Republican Party has made satire redundant.
Because nothing that people can dream up to say
about them is as bad as the stuff they really do.

I would suggest that sponsoring Immortality 
Courses that promise you'll never die if you 
take them and charging a fortune for them falls
into the same ballpark re the TMO. 

There is simply NOTHING that any of its detractors
could make up about the TMO that is worse or more
damning than stuff it's already done.

[FairfieldLife] Information Technology Systems

The ObamaCare disaster is not just a management failure, it's a firing
incident. Where I used to work, a system failure this large would be a
cause for instant dismissal:

*Clean off your desk and get out, you're fired! Officer, escort this
person off the premises. And, don't you ever come back! You'll never work
in this town again. You fuckin' idiot!*

[image: Inline image 1]

'In Defense of Kathleen Sebelius'
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579141473117316190

[FairfieldLife] Flying Over the Cuckoos Nest

Maybe it's time for a third party in the next presidential election, like a
Natural Law Party, a Green Party, or a Libertarian Party. It looks like
we've got a single party in the U.S., in all but name. Maybe it's time to
throw the bums out!

The GOP is not, in any meaningful sense, a conservative, first-principles,
Constitutionalist Party — and unless it’s subsumed by the Tea Party, it
never will be. Rather, it’s content to be the lesser half of the Permanent
Bipartisan Fusion Party as long as it can collect some of the pork scraps
from underneath the table of the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Government. No
wonder they keep losing — they like it.

'Most Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest'
http://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/http://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2013/10/17/most-flew-over-the-cuckoos-nest/

[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?

2013-10-18 Thread awoelflebater

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they 
can do!
 

 That is my point Share. And why would they think that? Because there is 
nothing else pressing in their lives that they would like to do better. Hence, 
the conclusion that their personal interests and pursuits are limited when it 
comes to career, time spent with family or outside interests or passions. Get 
it now?
 

 
 
 On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, awoelflebater@... 
awoelflebater@... wrote:
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's 
post on another thread (power naps): Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.: 
 We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all 
contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent 
prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though 
to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even 
the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish 
ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!
 

 What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I 
think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in 
spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for 
hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but 
these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise 
normal western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's 
are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen 
the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to 
my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' 
better to do.
 

 

  
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

  [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the 
divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate 
spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most Educated Countries in the World

Yeah, I get it. It's kind of fun, in a weird sort of way, to troll to a 
spiritual discussion groups and post insulting and inflammatory messages 
in order to try to get a reaction from members - once or twice.


But, for twenty years? Go figure.

On 10/18/2013 6:34 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:

 And though I see why Castaneda's followers may have lied
 about his passing, I do not see why those who post death
 notices would lie about the passing of a loved one. Certainly
 they could just remain silent about that detail if it was a
 rough passing.

The reason they'd do this is because they -- like you -- are
sold on the idea of Fairfield being a special place, a
veritable heaven on earth. They're cultists. Cultists lie
all the time to preserve the myths of their cults.

Cultists in Fairfield, for example, see around them a growing
number of TBs just like themselves who are dying of old
age in their early Sixties. This is somewhat damaging to the
image of heaven on earth and the TMO, which once literally
sold Immortality Courses to the rich and gullible.

*Besides* this, according to doctors *most* families tend to
lie about the circumstances of a family member's death if
they were less than pleasant. When someone asks, Did he
die peacefully? it's much easier to reply Yes and brush it
off than it is to say, Well, no...towards the end he had built
up such a resistance to the pain medications that none of
them worked on him any more.

Get it now, dummy?

[FairfieldLife] Meditation of Merit

“Though thou perform the meritorious deed of meditation but once, thee 
annihilate forever the countless offenses thy hast piled up.”
 
 -Old Meditation saying.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: News You Can Use

So evidently it would be very good to at least do asanas more vigorously. 
Regularly.
 I do asanas every morning before I go to the Dome to meditate.
 Don't you?
 -Buck

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: News You Can Use

2013-10-18 Thread j_alexander_stanley

In order to maintain balance in the Universe, I don't do asanas before not 
going to the dome to meditate. You're welcome. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 So evidently it would be very good to at least do asanas more vigorously. 
Regularly.
 I do asanas every morning before I go to the Dome to meditate.
 Don't you?
 -Buck

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

Ann, I think that the rounders have done what we all do. They have chosen 
activities that they think are most worthwhile given that we all have limited 
time. 





On Friday, October 18, 2013 8:17 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they 
can do!

That is my point Share. And why would they think that? Because there is nothing 
else pressing in their lives that they would like to do better. Hence, the 
conclusion that their personal interests and pursuits are limited when it comes 
to career, time spent with family or outside interests or passions. Get it now?





On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... 
wrote:
 
  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:


Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's 
post on another thread (power naps): Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.: 
We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative 
traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks 
and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, 
common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very 
recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of 
the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!

What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I 
think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in 
spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for 
hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but 
these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise 
normal western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's 
are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen 
the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to 
my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' 
better to do.


 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:


 [Pietist, belief
in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine
[Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to
the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] –  ]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Matter and consciousness?

MMY had a fondness for the Kashmere Trika philosophy - I guess that's 
why he and students visited the Swami Laksmanjoo up in Kashmere on 1968 
TTC. Kashmere Saivism is an absolute idealism, just like Adwaita 
Vedanta. The main difference is the interpretation given to the term 
'maya'.


Swami Laksmanjoo and Swami Mulktananda used to teach Adwaita Vedanta and 
Kashmere Saivism to their students. There's not much difference between 
the two traditions, which are both forms of monism.


Kashmere Trika is a non-dual metaphysical system called 'Trika'. In 
Sanskrit, the term 'trika' pertains to number, '3', the three, or 
trinity. There are three states of consciousness, waking, sleeping, and 
dreaming; there is a fourth state, a state of pure consciousness, a 
transcendental state called 'turiya'.


Turiya in Sanskrit means 'fourth', used in the Adwaita Vedanta to 
indicate the fourth state of consciousness, explained in Mandukhya 
Upanishad:


In both deep sleep and transcendental consciousness there is no 
consciousness of objects. But this objective consciousness is present in 
an unmanifest 'seed' form in deep sleep while it is completely 
transcended in the turiya.


Mandukya Upanishad:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandukya_Upanishad

On 10/18/2013 12:43 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote:

empty et al:

Did Maharishi state something like (paraphrase): the basic state of 
consciousness is

subjective experience of the state of least excitation of matter??

If that's the case was he more of an advaitic vedantist than a 
proponent of
Patañjali's yoga?? I mean, according to saaMhkya and thus PJ, purusha 
has nothing to do with prakRti?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Most Educated Countries in the World

 Barry wrote:
 (snip)
  There is simply NOTHING that any of its detractors
 could make up about the TMO that is worse or more
 damning than stuff it's already done.

 

 Well, heck, you made this up: 
 

  I would suggest that sponsoring Immortality 
 Courses that promise you'll never die if you 
 take them and charging a fortune for them falls
 into the same ballpark re the TMO. 
 

 You know, it's odd, but generally speaking, the older one
 gets, the better sense of proportionality one has. With
 Barry, it's the reverse:
 

  In other contexts, a great recent quote was that 

  the Republican Party has made satire redundant.
 Because nothing that people can dream up to say
 about them is as bad as the stuff they really do.
 

 To suggest that the TMO has ever done anything 
 anywhere near as bad as the stunt the Republicans just 
 tried, in terms of sheer malice, recklessness, and wanton
 destructiveness, is simply insane.
 

 For once, Share made a meaningful observation:
 

 turq, dummy or not, one thing I get is that some people are just as invested 
in trashing the TMO as they say others are in not trashing it!

 

 Invested in doesn't quite cover it, though, in Barry's case. Obsessed by  or 
consumed by trashing the TMO are more like it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Matter and consciousness?

Richard can you give more detail about how these two systems view maya? Maybe 
it'll help me stay out of the rabbit hole!





On Friday, October 18, 2013 9:12 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 
  
MMY had a fondness for the Kashmere Trika philosophy - I guess that's why he 
and students visited the Swami Laksmanjoo up in Kashmere on 1968 TTC. Kashmere 
Saivism is an absolute idealism, just like Adwaita Vedanta. The main difference 
is the interpretation given to the term 'maya'. 

Swami Laksmanjoo and Swami Mulktananda used to teach Adwaita
  Vedanta and Kashmere Saivism to their students. There's not much
  difference between the two traditions, which are both forms of
  monism.

Kashmere Trika is a non-dual metaphysical system called 'Trika'.
  In Sanskrit, the term 'trika' pertains to number, '3', the three,
  or trinity. There are three states of consciousness, waking,
  sleeping, and dreaming; there is a fourth state, a state of pure
  consciousness, a transcendental state called 'turiya'. 

Turiya in Sanskrit means 'fourth', used in the Adwaita Vedanta to
  indicate the fourth state of consciousness, explained in Mandukhya
  Upanishad:

In both deep sleep and transcendental consciousness there is no
  consciousness of objects. But this objective consciousness is
  present in an unmanifest 'seed' form in deep sleep while it is
  completely transcended in the turiya.

Mandukya Upanishad:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandukya_Upanishad

On 10/18/2013 12:43 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote:

  
empty et al:


Did Maharishi state something like (paraphrase): the basic state of 
consciousness is 
subjective experience of the state of least excitation of matter??


If that's the case was he more of an advaitic vedantist than a proponent of
Patañjali's yoga?? I mean, according to saaMhkya and thus PJ, purusha has 
nothing to do with prakRti?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Bullshit - Holier than Thou

A guy who, through the simple force of his personality, could free a
whole sub-continent from the rule of the British Empire, is very
impressive indeed, even if he wore a bed sheet and slept with girls. I
guess it's all a matter of what is right and what is wrong, not about
the clothes you wear or if you sleep alone or not. Go figure.

On 10/17/2013 10:37 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:

Thrill of the chaste - excellent title! Thanks for the link.

Yes, Gandhi has always been one of my pet peeves. Never been too keen
on Mother Teresa either.

The thing about Gandhi for me is that, on the one hand, he presented
himself as a naked sadhu - ie, someone who had *renounced* the world -
and yet he was also a political figure - ie someone who was very much
*engaged* with the world (and in a dangerously naive way to boot). The
unthinking veneration in which he is held baffles me.

And - no doubt because I'm English - I find the whole sexual hypocrisy
aspect drives me up the wall!

Maybe Penn Teller were a bit harsh on the Dalai Lama though. He is
also a legitimate political leader and it's hard to keep squeaky clean
in the world of realpolitik.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

I had to come out of lurkdom to thank you for this beautiful video
dear Seraphita. I have long railed against Gandhi, Teresa and Dolly
Lama and I totally enjoyed this video, it is a good summary of these
three pseudo-spiritual icons.

That Gandhi was sexually perverted and slept with girls was a well
known fact to me in India and my generation had no fascination for
Gandhi. So I was quite baffled by the adoration of Gandhi by liberals
and I know I pissed off quite a few with my statements on Gandhi. I
recently had a chance to read this article on the Independent - enjoy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html

Ravi.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:25 PM, s3raphita@...
mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:

Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi and the Dalai Lama get the Penn
and Teller treatment in this hilarious and foul-mouthed rant.

http://tinyurl.com/nv68blw

[FairfieldLife] RE: Meditation of Merit

Wow, did nobody ever teach the old meditators grammar? 
 
 “Though thou perform the meritorious deed of meditation but once, thee 
 annihilate 
  forever the countless offenses thy hast piled up.”
 
  -Old Meditation saying.
 

 That's worse than Barry's attempts at Olde English.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

We do not know exactly what plant, of all the plants available to them, 
that Adam and Eve ate of, while in the Biblical Garden of Eden 
(Genesis 3:6).


It has been suggested that it was a fruit that Eve partook of, perhaps 
an apple, which certainly shows a certain amount of Euoro-centrism. 
However that may be, if it was a tree, it may have been a fig tree, 
similar to the Bodhi Tree of Indian Buddhist legend - the sacred ficus 
religiosus.


The sacred tree in Micronesian mythology is the banana tree, whose 
origin is tied up in the idea of manna and the myth of the Tree of 
Plenty and the mythology of the the dying and rising tree spirit.


Why Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat of this one particular tree is 
somewhat of a metaphysical mystery, not fully explained. The question 
is, why would God enslave Adam and Eve to work on a fruit farm in the 
first place?


Go figure.

On 10/17/2013 10:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


*Thanks, this is great. For the moment, one question: The expulsion 
from the Garden and from the Tree of Life was an act of love and not 
vengeance so that humanity would not 'become immortal in sin.' What 
does immortal in sin mean, and how would that happen?*



*emptybill wrote:*

Read this and then see if you have questions.


http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

My questions to emptybill are: what does Cyril of Alexandria mean by the sin of 
one? Also, if all sin is illness, does that mean that the orthodox fathers 
believe that all illness is indicative of sin?





On Friday, October 18, 2013 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 
  
We do not know exactly what plant, of all the plants available to them, that 
Adam and Eve ate of, while in the Biblical Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:6).

It has been suggested that it was a fruit that Eve partook of,
  perhaps an apple, which certainly shows a certain amount of
  Euoro-centrism. However that may be, if it was a tree, it may have
  been a fig tree, similar to the Bodhi Tree of Indian Buddhist
  legend - the sacred ficus religiosus. 

The sacred tree in Micronesian mythology is the banana tree, whose
  origin is tied up in the idea of manna and the myth of the Tree
  of Plenty and the mythology of the the dying and rising tree
  spirit.

Why Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat of this one particular tree
  is somewhat of a metaphysical mystery, not fully explained. The
  question is, why would God enslave Adam and Eve to work on a fruit
  farm in the first place? 

Go figure.

On 10/17/2013 10:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

  
Thanks, this is great. For the moment, one question: The expulsion from the 
Garden and from the Tree of Life was an act of love and not vengeance so that 
humanity would not 'become immortal in sin.' What does immortal in sin 
mean, and how would that happen?


emptybill wrote:

Read this and then see if you have questions.


http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Bullshit - Holier than Thou

Richard, you're my hero for saying this. I mean jeez, we're all a mix of good
and bad. Can't we all just acknowledge the good and help heal the bad, or
whatever one wants to call it?

On Friday, October 18, 2013 9:18 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
wrote:

A guy who, through the simple force of his personality, could free a whole
sub-continent from the rule of the British Empire, is very impressive indeed,
even if he wore a bed sheet and slept with girls. I guess it's all a matter of
what is right and what is wrong, not about the clothes you wear or if you sleep
alone or not. Go figure.

On 10/17/2013 10:37 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:

Thrill of the chaste - excellent title! Thanks for the link.

Yes, Gandhi has always been one of my pet peeves. Never been too keen on
Mother Teresa either.

The thing about Gandhi for me is that, on the one hand, he presented himself
as a naked sadhu - ie, someone who had *renounced* the world - and yet he was
also a political figure - ie someone who was very much *engaged* with the
world (and in a dangerously naive way to boot). The unthinking veneration in
which he is held baffles me.

And - no doubt because I'm English - I find the whole sexual hypocrisy aspect
drives me up the wall!

Maybe Penn Teller were a bit harsh on the Dalai Lama though. He is also a
legitimate political leader and it's hard to keep squeaky clean in the world
of realpolitik.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

That Gandhi was sexually perverted and slept with girls was a well known fact
to me in India and my generation had no fascination for Gandhi. So I was quite
baffled by the adoration of Gandhi by liberals and I know I pissed off quite a
few with my statements on Gandhi. I recently had a chance to read this article
on the Independent - enjoy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html

Ravi.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:25 PM, s3raphita@... wrote:

Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi and the Dalai Lama get the Penn and Teller
treatment in this hilarious and foul-mouthed rant.
http://tinyurl.com/nv68blw

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Most Educated Countries in the World

What I mainly object to is trashing people that a person does not even know 
either in person or even online! 





On Friday, October 18, 2013 9:13 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
 Barry wrote:
(snip)
 There is simply NOTHING that any of its detractors
 could make up about the TMO that is worse or more
 damning than stuff it's already done.


Well, heck, you made this up: 

 I would suggest that sponsoring Immortality 
 Courses that promise you'll never die if you 
 take them and charging a fortune for them falls
 into the same ballpark re the TMO. 

You know, it's odd, but generally speaking, the older one
gets, the better sense of proportionality one has. With
Barry, it's the reverse:

 In other contexts, a great recent quote was that 

 the Republican Party has made satire redundant.
 Because nothing that people can dream up to say
 about them is as bad as the
 stuff they really do.

To suggest that the TMO has ever done anything 
anywhere near as bad as the stunt the Republicans just 
tried, in terms of sheer malice, recklessness, and wanton
destructiveness, is simply insane.

For once, Share made a meaningful observation:

turq, dummy or not, one thing I get is that some people are just as invested 
in trashing the TMO as they say others are in not trashing it!


Invested in doesn't quite cover it, though, in Barry's case. Obsessed by  or 
consumed by trashing the TMO are more like it.

[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?

2013-10-18 Thread awoelflebater

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Ann, I think that the rounders have done what we all do. They have chosen 
activities that they think are most worthwhile given that we all have limited 
time. 
 

 Is there an echo in here or do you just feel like repeating what I am saying - 
as if we are somehow in disagreement? YES SHARE, THESE ROUNDERS ARE ROUNDING 
HAPPILY AWAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.
 

 
 
 On Friday, October 18, 2013 8:17 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... 
wrote:
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they 
can do!
 

 That is my point Share. And why would they think that? Because there is 
nothing else pressing in their lives that they would like to do better. Hence, 
the conclusion that their personal interests and pursuits are limited when it 
comes to career, time spent with family or outside interests or passions. Get 
it now?
 

 
 
 On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, awoelflebater@... 
awoelflebater@... wrote:
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's 
post on another thread (power naps): Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.: 
 We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all 
contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent 
prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though 
to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even 
the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish 
ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!
 

 What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I 
think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in 
spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for 
hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but 
these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise 
normal western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's 
are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen 
the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to 
my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' 
better to do.
 

 

  
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

  [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the 
divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate 
spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]

[FairfieldLife] RE: News You Can Use

2013-10-18 Thread awoelflebater

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote:

 In order to maintain balance in the Universe, I don't do asanas before not 
going to the dome to meditate. You're welcome. 
 

 Ditto here.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 So evidently it would be very good to at least do asanas more vigorously. 
Regularly.
 I do asanas every morning before I go to the Dome to meditate.
 Don't you?
 -Buck

[FairfieldLife] too beautiful to not pass along

The voice over belongs to Brother David Steindl-Rast


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=gXDMoiEkyuQvq=medium

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: News You Can Use

It took only about an hour for this thread to go down the tubes. Now 
that's better!


On 10/18/2013 10:10 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote:

In order to maintain balance in the Universe, I don't do asanas before 
not going to the dome to meditate. You're welcome.



Ditto here.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


*S**o evidently it would be very good to at least do asanas more 
vigorously. Regularly.*


*I do asanas every morning before I go to the Dome to meditate.*

*Don't you?*

/*-Buck*/

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: News You Can Use

2013-10-18 Thread Ann Woelfle Bater

Yes Richard, we are a bit slow this morning. We'll try and speed it up next 
time. But it would be helpful if you could clarify which tube you want it to go 
down.



On Friday, October 18, 2013 8:24:14 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
It took only about an hour for this thread to go down the tubes. Now that's 
better!

On 10/18/2013 10:10 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote:


In order to maintain balance in the Universe, I don't do asanas before not 
going to the dome to meditate. You're welcome. 


Ditto here.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


So evidently it would be very good to at least do asanas more vigorously. 
Regularly.
I do asanas every morning before I go to the Dome to meditate.
Don't you?
-Buck

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread s3raphita

Who is on those pictures, Daddy? 
 He replied, The Virgin Mary and Jesus. 
 She picked up the icon, kissed it and hugged it to her chest exclaiming, Oh, 
daddy, they love you so much!
 Then, he told me, We understood. It's all about affection. 
 

 If it's really all about affection who needed Christianity? People have been 
affectionate to their friends and family since time immemorial. And one can't 
be *affectionate* to one's enemies!
 

 Here's the simple alternative. If you look at the basic Advaita-Vedanta 
outlook isn't it saying that there is in reality only One Self. It is only in 
appearance that there are many of us. If therefore any one individual sins 
we've all sinned as there is no difference between us *in reality*. One man 
slips up - Adam - and we all take a pratfall. No man is an island. 
 

 But if you recognise that there is just the Self as the one actor how can any 
one man be guilty? - that is precisely to imagine oneself apart from the whole. 
The forgiveness of sins balances Original Sin.
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:

  Read this and then see if you have questions.
 

 
http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin

 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 Well, at least he uses Christian sacred words rather than the Sanskrit 
mantras the devil prefers...
 

 On a different topic, I'd be interested to know more about what you said 
regarding Augustine and real Christianity, if you have the time and 
inclination. Where did Augustine go wrong?
 

 emptybill wrote:

Judy, 
 
I remember asking the same question to my friend as he repeated the 
conversation. He said I guess he was a TM teacher because you had to be one to 
be there on course. 

Mm ... a TM teacher.
If Basil is worse than a fallen Catholic then he must be a devil worshiper!

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread Mike Dixon

Because Ceasar Chavez hadn't come along yet, unless he was the snake in the 
tree.

From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

We do not know exactly what plant, of all the plants available to them, that 
Adam and Eve ate of, while in the Biblical Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:6).It 
has been suggested that it was a fruit that Eve partook of, perhaps an apple, 
which certainly shows a certain amount of Euoro-centrism. However that may be, 
if it was a tree, it may have been a fig tree, similar to the Bodhi Tree of 
Indian Buddhist legend - the sacred ficus religiosus. The sacred tree in 
Micronesian mythology is the banana tree, whose origin is tied up in the idea 
of manna and the myth of the Tree of Plenty and the mythology of the the 
dying and rising tree spirit.Why Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat of this one 
particular tree is somewhat of a metaphysical mystery, not fully explained. The 
question is, why would God enslave Adam and Eve to work on a fruit farm in the 
first place? Go figure.On 10/17/2013 10:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

Thanks, this is great. For the moment, one question: The expulsion from the 
Garden and from the Tree of Life was an act of love and not vengeance so that 
humanity would not 'become immortal in sin.' What does immortal in sin 
mean, and how would that happen?

emptybill wrote: 
Read this and then see if you have questions.

http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin

[FairfieldLife] MUM and the Tree of Knowledge

What connection, if any, does the story of the three wise men presenting
gifts to the infant Jesus, have to do with the fact that even today we
decorate trees during our most Holy Day of the year, just like it was the
same Asian Tree of Plenty? A cargo cult?

Also, is it a coincidence that the emblem for MUM is the Tree of Knowledge
which is akin to the Bodhi Tree of the historical Buddha?

[image: Inline image 1]

Three motifs loom large on the stage of world mythology; the dying and
rising tree spirit, the tree of life, the waxing and waning of the moon,
and the cast-skin. The myth of immortality can be traced back to Neolithic
times and had it's origin in Southeast Asia well over 5000 years ago. These
myths through a process of diffusion and human migration have spread out in
more complex combinations in Western mythology.

In Asian mythology the fruit of the Tree of Plenty was discovered by
children through experimentation. Their parents decided to cut the tree
down to get the fruit. In this myth, the cutting down and destruction of
the sacred tree acts as a trigger, or is necessary to the general
distribution of its product (Eden in the East 356).

The myth of the Sacred Tree in Genesis and the Great Flood myth
mentioned in the Epic of Gilgamesh could be versions of two of the most
basic myths known to history. The rite of tree worship, in which the
dying and rising tree-spirit is destroyed and then brought back to life,
points to man's ability to harvest food. It is well known that the first
cultivation of rice took place in Southeast Asia and hence spread to India.

Likewise, the myth of the flood could have originated when the polar
icecaps melted along with a general warming of the planet, forcing
countless thousands of coastal habitations to migrate all over Asia, China,
Tibet, India, and the Middle East, about 7,000 years ago.

There are at least 2 more tree references, used in the TMO.

1.  On the new currency by Maharishi: The Raam Mudra is named for the
ancient Indian prince whose image appears on the notes. The colorful bills
also feature Sanskrit messages of peace and prosperity, a cow and a
wish-fulfilling tree.

2.  On the cover of a textbook for the Ideal Girls School: The cover,
designed by Heather Hartnett, depicts the Kalp Vriksha, the wish-yielding
tree that symbolizes the effortless ability to fulfill desires from the
level of Natural Law.

Works Cited:

Harris, Stephen J. Understanding the Bible. Mountain View: Mayfield, 2000

The Jerusalem Bible. New York: Doubleday, 1966

Oppenhiemer, Stephen, M.D., Eden in the East. London: Phoenix, 1998

Other titles of interst:

De Camp, L. Sprague. Lost Continents. New York: Dover, 1970

[FairfieldLife] RE: Bullshit - Holier than Thou

2013-10-18 Thread s3raphita

Re Michael Jackson Churchill didn't much like him either.:

From Gandhi's To Every Briton of 1940:
I want you to fight Nazism without arms, or, if I am to retain the military
terminology, with non-violent arms. I would like you to lay down the arms you
have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler
and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your
possessions. Let them take possession of your beautiful island, with your many
beautiful buildings. You will give all these, but neither your souls, nor your
minds. If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If
they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourself, man, woman and
child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them.

Dangerously naive or what?

Re Michael Jackson's but he never screwd 'em!!:

No bodily fluids were exchanged as far as we can tell.

Re Ravi Chivukula's [Gandhi's] fasting to coerce others could be treated as
being violent, being passive aggressive.:

Yes, that's another thing that irritates me: people who go on hunger strike as
an emotional blackmail tool shouldn't have their views given any greater weight
on that basis alone.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

Richard, you're my hero for saying this. I mean jeez, we're all a mix of good
and bad. Can't we all just acknowledge the good and help heal the bad, or
whatever one wants to call it?

On Friday, October 18, 2013 9:18 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@...
wrote:

A guy who, through the simple force of his personality, could free a whole
sub-continent from the rule of the British Empire, is very impressive indeed,
even if he wore a bed sheet and slept with girls. I guess it's all a matter of
what is right and what is wrong, not about the clothes you wear or if you sleep
alone or not. Go figure.

On 10/17/2013 10:37 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:

Thrill of the chaste - excellent title! Thanks for the link.

Yes, Gandhi has always been one of my pet peeves. Never been too keen on
Mother Teresa either.

The thing about Gandhi for me is that, on the one hand, he presented himself
as a naked sadhu - ie, someone who had *renounced* the world - and yet he was
also a political figure - ie someone who was very much *engaged* with the world
(and in a dangerously naive way to boot). The unthinking veneration in which he
is held baffles me.

And - no doubt because I'm English - I find the whole sexual hypocrisy aspect
drives me up the wall!

Maybe Penn Teller were a bit harsh on the Dalai Lama though. He is also a
legitimate political leader and it's hard to keep squeaky clean in the world of
realpolitik.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

That Gandhi was sexually perverted and slept with girls was a well known fact
to me in India and my generation had no fascination for Gandhi. So I was quite
baffled by the adoration of Gandhi by liberals and I know I pissed off quite a
few with my statements on Gandhi. I recently had a chance to read this article
on the Independent - enjoy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html

Ravi.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:25 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:

Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi and the Dalai Lama get the Penn and Teller
treatment in this hilarious and foul-mouthed rant.
http://tinyurl.com/nv68blw http://tinyurl.com/nv68blw

[FairfieldLife] RE: MUM and the Tree of Knowledge

 “And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man 
whom he had formed.  And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree 
that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the 
midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.”
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 What connection, if any, does the story of the three wise men presenting gifts 
to the infant Jesus, have to do with the fact that even today we decorate trees 
during our most Holy Day of the year, just like it was the same Asian Tree of 
Plenty? A cargo cult? 
 

 Also, is it a coincidence that the emblem for MUM is the Tree of Knowledge 
which is akin to the Bodhi Tree of the historical Buddha?
 

 
 
 

 Three motifs loom large on the stage of world mythology; the dying and rising 
tree spirit, the tree of life, the waxing and waning of the moon, and the 
cast-skin. The myth of immortality can be traced back to Neolithic times and 
had it's origin in Southeast Asia well over 5000 years ago. These myths through 
a process of diffusion and human migration have spread out in more complex 
combinations in Western mythology.
 

 In Asian mythology the fruit of the Tree of Plenty was discovered by children 
through experimentation. Their parents decided to cut the tree down to get the 
fruit. In this myth, the cutting down and destruction of the sacred tree acts 
as a trigger, or is necessary to the general distribution of its product (Eden 
in the East 356).
 

 The myth of the Sacred Tree in Genesis and the Great Flood myth mentioned 
in the Epic of Gilgamesh could be versions of two of the most basic myths 
known to history. The rite of tree worship, in which the dying and rising 
tree-spirit is destroyed and then brought back to life, points to man's ability 
to harvest food. It is well known that the first cultivation of rice took place 
in Southeast Asia and hence spread to India. 
 

 Likewise, the myth of the flood could have originated when the polar icecaps 
melted along with a general warming of the planet, forcing countless thousands 
of coastal habitations to migrate all over Asia, China, Tibet, India, and the 
Middle East, about 7,000 years ago.
 

 There are at least 2 more tree references, used in the TMO.
 

 1.  On the new currency by Maharishi: The Raam Mudra is named for the ancient 
Indian prince whose image appears on the notes. The colorful bills also feature 
Sanskrit messages of peace and prosperity, a cow and a wish-fulfilling tree.
 

 2.  On the cover of a textbook for the Ideal Girls School: The cover, 
designed by Heather Hartnett, depicts the Kalp Vriksha, the wish-yielding 
tree that symbolizes the effortless ability to fulfill desires from the level 
of Natural Law.
 

 Works Cited:
 

 Harris, Stephen J. Understanding the Bible. Mountain View: Mayfield, 2000
 

 The Jerusalem Bible. New York: Doubleday, 1966
 

 Oppenhiemer, Stephen, M.D., Eden in the East. London: Phoenix, 1998
 

 Other titles of interst:
 

 De Camp, L. Sprague. Lost Continents. New York: Dover, 1970

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: MUM and the Tree of Knowledge

 The center piece of Zoar is the 3 acre religiously significant formal garden 
featuring the center tree of life.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  “And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man 
whom he had formed.  And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree 
that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the 
midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.”
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 What connection, if any, does the story of the three wise men presenting gifts 
to the infant Jesus, have to do with the fact that even today we decorate trees 
during our most Holy Day of the year, just like it was the same Asian Tree of 
Plenty? A cargo cult? 
 

 Also, is it a coincidence that the emblem for MUM is the Tree of Knowledge 
which is akin to the Bodhi Tree of the historical Buddha?
 

 
 
 

 Three motifs loom large on the stage of world mythology; the dying and rising 
tree spirit, the tree of life, the waxing and waning of the moon, and the 
cast-skin. The myth of immortality can be traced back to Neolithic times and 
had it's origin in Southeast Asia well over 5000 years ago. These myths through 
a process of diffusion and human migration have spread out in more complex 
combinations in Western mythology.
 

 In Asian mythology the fruit of the Tree of Plenty was discovered by children 
through experimentation. Their parents decided to cut the tree down to get the 
fruit. In this myth, the cutting down and destruction of the sacred tree acts 
as a trigger, or is necessary to the general distribution of its product (Eden 
in the East 356).
 

 The myth of the Sacred Tree in Genesis and the Great Flood myth mentioned 
in the Epic of Gilgamesh could be versions of two of the most basic myths 
known to history. The rite of tree worship, in which the dying and rising 
tree-spirit is destroyed and then brought back to life, points to man's ability 
to harvest food. It is well known that the first cultivation of rice took place 
in Southeast Asia and hence spread to India. 
 

 Likewise, the myth of the flood could have originated when the polar icecaps 
melted along with a general warming of the planet, forcing countless thousands 
of coastal habitations to migrate all over Asia, China, Tibet, India, and the 
Middle East, about 7,000 years ago.
 

 There are at least 2 more tree references, used in the TMO.
 

 1.  On the new currency by Maharishi: The Raam Mudra is named for the ancient 
Indian prince whose image appears on the notes. The colorful bills also feature 
Sanskrit messages of peace and prosperity, a cow and a wish-fulfilling tree.
 

 2.  On the cover of a textbook for the Ideal Girls School: The cover, 
designed by Heather Hartnett, depicts the Kalp Vriksha, the wish-yielding 
tree that symbolizes the effortless ability to fulfill desires from the level 
of Natural Law.
 

 Works Cited:
 

 Harris, Stephen J. Understanding the Bible. Mountain View: Mayfield, 2000
 

 The Jerusalem Bible. New York: Doubleday, 1966
 

 Oppenhiemer, Stephen, M.D., Eden in the East. London: Phoenix, 1998
 

 Other titles of interst:
 

 De Camp, L. Sprague. Lost Continents. New York: Dover, 1970

[FairfieldLife] Treasure Tip from a Hindu Holy Man

Is it possible for a dead king to appear in a dream to tell the location of a 
hidden treasure?  If this turns out to be true, does that mean that there is 
life after death? 

 http://news.yahoo.com/india-digs-treasure-tip-hindu-holy-man-055603386.html 
http://news.yahoo.com/india-digs-treasure-tip-hindu-holy-man-055603386.html

[FairfieldLife] I asked my car insurance to cover my preexisting accident!

2013-10-18 Thread wgm4u

Unfortunately they said NO, it doesn't seem fair! Oh well, maybe Obama our 
Messiah can fix this! ;-(

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: MUM and the Tree of Knowledge

 
 SHAKER TREE OF LIFE This Shaker drawing, known as the Tree of Life, is the 
most famous of the all Shaker gift drawings. To the Shakers, fruit-bearing 
trees represented the unspoiled loveliness of the Garden of Eden. It was 
painted at Hancock Shaker Village in 1854. This is a limited edition serigraph 
(silk screen print) of the original. It is framed under glass in a solid cherry 
wood frame. Frame is finished with hand-rubbed oil and wax. Framed size is 26 
wide x 21 high. Ready to hang. Made in USA.

City of Peace Monday July, 3rd 1854.
I received a draft of a beautiful Tree pencil'd on a large sheet of paper 
bearing ripe fruit. I saw it plainly; it looked very singular and curious to 
me. I have since learned that this tree grows in the Spirit Land. Afterwards 
the spirit shew'd me plainly the branches, leaves and fruit, painted or drawn 
upon paper. The leaves were check'd or cross'd and the same colors you see 
here. I entreated Mother Ann to tell me the name of this tree: which she did 
Oct. 1st 4th hour P.M. by moving the hand of a medium to write twice over Your 
Tree is the Tree of Life.
Seen and painted by, Hannah Cohoon.
 
 
 
 
 
 This Shaker drawing is known as the Tree of Life.
 Each Shaker spirit drawing was preceded by a heavenly vision which was 
transferred to paper in meticulous detail.
 The Tree of Life was seen and painted by Sister Hanna Cohoon at the 
Hancock community in the summer of 1854.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  The center piece of Zoar is the 3 acre religiously significant formal garden 
featuring the center tree of life.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  “And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man 
whom he had formed.  And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree 
that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the 
midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.”
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 What connection, if any, does the story of the three wise men presenting gifts 
to the infant Jesus, have to do with the fact that even today we decorate trees 
during our most Holy Day of the year, just like it was the same Asian Tree of 
Plenty? A cargo cult? 
 

 Also, is it a coincidence that the emblem for MUM is the Tree of Knowledge 
which is akin to the Bodhi Tree of the historical Buddha?
 

 
 
 

 Three motifs loom large on the stage of world mythology; the dying and rising 
tree spirit, the tree of life, the waxing and waning of the moon, and the 
cast-skin. The myth of immortality can be traced back to Neolithic times and 
had it's origin in Southeast Asia well over 5000 years ago. These myths through 
a process of diffusion and human migration have spread out in more complex 
combinations in Western mythology.
 

 In Asian mythology the fruit of the Tree of Plenty was discovered by children 
through experimentation. Their parents decided to cut the tree down to get the 
fruit. In this myth, the cutting down and destruction of the sacred tree acts 
as a trigger, or is necessary to the general distribution of its product (Eden 
in the East 356).
 

 The myth of the Sacred Tree in Genesis and the Great Flood myth mentioned 
in the Epic of Gilgamesh could be versions of two of the most basic myths 
known to history. The rite of tree worship, in which the dying and rising 
tree-spirit is destroyed and then brought back to life, points to man's ability 
to harvest food. It is well known that the first cultivation of rice took place 
in Southeast Asia and hence spread to India. 
 

 Likewise, the myth of the flood could have originated when the polar icecaps 
melted along with a general warming of the planet, forcing countless thousands 
of coastal habitations to migrate all over Asia, China, Tibet, India, and the 
Middle East, about 7,000 years ago.
 

 There are at least 2 more tree references, used in the TMO.
 

 1.  On the new currency by Maharishi: The Raam Mudra is named for the ancient 
Indian prince whose image appears on the notes. The colorful bills also feature 
Sanskrit messages of peace and prosperity, a cow and a wish-fulfilling tree.
 

 2.  On the cover of a textbook for the Ideal Girls School: The cover, 
designed by Heather Hartnett, depicts the Kalp Vriksha, the wish-yielding 
tree that symbolizes the effortless ability to fulfill desires from the level 
of Natural Law.
 

 Works Cited:
 

 Harris, Stephen J. Understanding the Bible. Mountain View: Mayfield, 2000
 

 The Jerusalem Bible. New York: Doubleday, 1966
 

 Oppenhiemer, Stephen, M.D., Eden in the East. London: Phoenix, 1998
 

 Other titles of interst:
 

 De Camp, L. Sprague. Lost Continents. New York: Dover, 1970

[FairfieldLife] RE: Some Halloween Tantra for the Netflixers

I like horror films, but this one seems a bit tame. My favourite Halloween 
movie is probably 'Pumpkinhead' (1988) which is currently streaming on Netflix. 
There is a certain spin on the concept of 'as you sow, so shall you reap' in 
this film. It had a budget of US$3.5 million.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:

 'tis the season for horror films and they are often a bit rare from the 
 land of the Ved. But Netflix does have the Bollywood hit Raaz 3 and 
 in striking 1080p SuperHD and Dolby Digital Plus, that is if you have 
 the gear for it. Raaz 3 is a film about an Bollywood actress who 
 feels deprived at winning an award at their yearly version of the 
 Oscars so she uses black magic to get back at her competitor. The 
 tantric part is not the black magic as a tantric is called in to save 
 the actress she put a spell on.
 
 Of course you need an acquired taste for Bollywood movies and their 
 length. This one is 139 minutes long. Some kitch dancing around trees 
 or dancing on the movie set. I got into these a decade ago to help 
 learn Hindi (yes there subtitles). The picture quality was near Blu-ray 
 with SuperHD and I also added a new Yamaha AV Receiver which handles DD+ 
 and my speakers have never sounded so good.
 
 Rated not for Turq and Buck may not like the kissing.
 
 http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Raaz_3_The_Third_Dimension/70256939 
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Raaz_3_The_Third_Dimension/70256939

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

Share wrote:
 
  My questions to emptybill are: what does Cyril of Alexandria
  mean by the sin of one?
 

 He means Eve's disobedience.
 


 (I'm sure emptybill will correct me if I get anything wrong.)
 

  Also, if all sin is illness, does that mean that the orthodox fathers
  believe that all illness is indicative of sin?

 

 Did you read this part?
 

 ...Sickness, suffering and death come and when they do God's grace is able to 
transform them into life-bearing trials, but are they God's will? Does God 
punish us when the mood strikes, when our behavior displeases Him or for no 
reason at all?

 

 The answer in the essay to these rhetorical questions is clearly no.

[FairfieldLife] Lunar Eclipse Is Tonight, October 18, 2013

Are we still looking for meaning based on the recent political battle in 
Washington DC?  A western astrologer comments. 
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yesvRvsKcJY 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yesvRvsKcJY

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

Seraphita wrote:

 
  Who is on those pictures, Daddy? 
  He replied, The Virgin Mary and Jesus. 
  She picked up the icon, kissed it and hugged it to her chest exclaiming, 
  Oh, daddy, they love you so much!
 Then, he told me, We understood. It's all about affection. 
 
  If it's really all about affection who needed Christianity? People have 
  been affectionate to their friends and family since time immemorial. And
  one can't be *affectionate* to one's enemies!
 

 Odd that you didn't quote the very next sentence:
 

 Love, in fact, is the heart and soul of the theology of the early Church 
Fathers and of the Orthodox Church (emphasis added).

 

 That would be God's infinite love and compassion, not ordinary human affection.
 

 The writer is making a distinction between (Eastern) Orthodox Christianity and 
Western Christianity and how and why they diverged after the first roughly four 
centuries following Christ's death (and presumably his resurrection). You'll 
need to read the rest of the essay to understand what that distinction is all 
about.
 

 Your other points are something of a straw man where Eastern Christianity is 
concerned, as you'll find if you read the rest of the essay. No version of 
Christianity can be really consonant with TM metaphysics, but it appears to me 
that there are some elements of Eastern Christian theology that are more 
resonant with TM than those of Western theology. (emptybill, 
corrections/reflections solicited.)
 

  Here's the simple alternative. If you look at the basic Advaita-Vedanta
  outlook isn't it saying that there is in reality only One Self. It is only 
  in
  appearance that there are many of us. If therefore any one individual
  sins we've all sinned as there is no difference between us *in reality*.
  One man slips up - Adam - and we all take a pratfall. No man is an
  island. 
 
  But if you recognise that there is just the Self as the one actor how can
  any one man be guilty? - that is precisely to imagine oneself apart from
  the whole. The forgiveness of sins balances Original Sin.

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

But Judy, earlier in the same paragraph with the Cyril quote Rev Hughes states: 
the Eastern Fathers assigned full responsibility 
for the sin in the Garden to Adam and Eve alone. 

So how is it a sin of one, I still wonder.





On Friday, October 18, 2013 12:21 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Share wrote:


 My questions to emptybill are: what does Cyril of Alexandria
 mean by the sin of one?

He means Eve's disobedience.

(I'm sure emptybill will correct me if I get anything wrong.)

 Also, if all sin is illness, does that mean that the orthodox fathers
 believe that all illness is indicative of sin?


Did you read this part?

...Sickness, suffering and death come and when they do God's grace is able to 
transform them into life-bearing trials, but are they God's will? Does God 
punish us when the mood strikes, when our behavior displeases Him or for no 
reason at all?


The answer in the essay to these rhetorical questions is clearly no.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Americans need to know exactly how backwards they are

The 100% American is 99% idiot. ---George Bernard Shaw 

 The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, 
only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that 
there may be something to them we are missing. ---Gamel Abdel Nasser

[FairfieldLife] The Secret Benefits of Spinach

This will make you understand why Popeye the sailor man liked spinach so much. 

 http://knowyourlove.wordpress.com/spinach-for-sexual-health/ 
http://knowyourlove.wordpress.com/spinach-for-sexual-health/

RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Places You Can#39;t Afford to Live

Share wrote:
 Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that no 
progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?
 

 Dr Dumbass wrote:
 The thing Xeno is talking about, is when all ideas, concepts, recited phrases, 
etc. go dry. No more juice or encouragement from them. The seeker feels shitty 
- end of story. This phase illustrates for the seeker, the futility of living 
in the future, where we want to get enlightened, or in the past, remembering a 
flashy spiritual experience. Even though the isolation one feels is the 
strongest, yet, it prepares us for a final surrender, a shift of identity, away 
from this isolated form. Whether, or not, a seeker decides to go through with 
the whole enchilada, is an exact reflection, of the degree to which a seeker 
takes spiritual liberation seriously.
 
 

 Dr - 
 

 I think this is pretty much a compact way of saying what I was talking about. 
In a later post Share made a hazy remark about taking it seriously or not 
seriously. I am not sure that would work. I would interpret seriously as a 
steady focus on what one wants to accomplish, even though accomplishment is not 
a particularly good way to describe what happens. 
 

 Once awakening happens, one can relax a bit because now the goal is clearly 
experienced, one has to discover how stable the result is, and it usually does 
not take long before that is known, and the true challenge of living what one 
has experienced becomes more and more evident because you now know nothing is 
going to save your ass. Unless lucky enough to come clean all at once, what 
spreads out before one is the prospect of the ego's final dismantling which 
might turn out to be a much more protracted and unpleasant experience than one 
could ever imagine, and this is where some might balk and turn back. This is 
the point where having someone around who knows or at least information around 
about how this process unfolds which helps one from stumbling too much. 
 

 This information did not seem to be available from TM teachers who drone on 
about getting checked etc., or talking about absolute and relative when none of 
that makes any practical sense anymore. Here one is really at that point where 
techniques do not work consistently or at all, mostly one has to pick one's way 
along and see what happens or does not happen. The main thing, if you 
experience a stumble, is not to turn back. It's OK to take a breather once in a 
while if it gets too intense. If lucky it might be easy. It certainly has not 
been for me, so I can only speak for people who have had some really rough 
moments. 
 

 While it seems like one is doing things, as unity consolidates, there really 
is not much choice in the matter. M's 'take it as it comes' is actually good 
advice here, but now it is applied to everything in one's life, not just a tiny 
mantra during a short meditation. 'Handling' a mantra in meditation is really a 
microcosm version, a small scale model version, of how one deals with settling 
into unity on a macroscopic scale. But now instead of the mantra disappearing, 
it's YOU; everything that makes you think you are unique and special is on the 
chopping block.
 

 As for Dark Nights of the Soul (assuming there is a soul) mentioned in later 
posts on this thread, for me, at any rate, was before awakening; everything 
just went dead for a long, long time. Strangely, massive releases following 
some years after awakening were not dark, even if miserable, as I knew what was 
happening, and I had enough stability to wait it out without seriously running 
from it (although at times the desire to act on 'this is not for me' certainly 
arose), and that paid big dividends in subsequent stability. 
 

 Delusional thinking and acting on that thinking can arise at any time; as time 
goes one, one gets more centred in deflecting it and letting it pass quickly; 
it's not an activity that is done as if one is an agent in command of one's 
life, it just becomes more and more automatic, as life as a whole, rather than 
some aspect of life acting on the rest of life settles into this mode. It is 
kind of strange really. Someone with Alzheimer's is present centred, they have 
no memory of the past, and cannot think of the future. As unity settles in, 
past and future seem to converge into the present - you still remember things 
from the past, and can plan, but the sense of time is crippled, one might say, 
in that past remembered events do not seem distant as a reminiscence, and 
planning for future happenings is very minimalist, because you don't know what

[FairfieldLife] RE: I asked my car insurance to cover my preexisting accident!

Wow, what a trenchant, perceptive analogy. Just devastates the notion that 
insurance companies should cover people for preexisting conditions, don't it? I 
mean, how can anybody be in favor of such coverage after that?
 

 Say, Billy, how long had you been driving without insurance when your accident 
happened? I guess you couldn't afford it, huh?
 
wmg4u wrote:
 
 Unfortunately they said NO, it doesn't seem fair! Oh well, maybe Obama our 
Messiah can fix this! ;-(

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Some Halloween Tantra for the Netflixers

2013-10-18 Thread Bhairitu

I don't think I've ever seen a Bollywood horror film that wasn't a bit 
tame. They're not too good at it or feel it must be tame since much of 
Bollywood film is somewhat muted.  I like Thai horror better which isn't 
tame at all and they dig deep into their culture for the supernatural.


I've seen Pumpkinhead and agree it is good. I've been on a horror jag 
this month with a bunch of folks online who like watch a horror movie a 
night during October.  Sometimes I make a horror TV show like American 
Horror Story and Supernatural suffice. This season of American 
Horror Story: Coven is starting out well with Kathy Bates as special 
guest star for this season.  Jessica Lange, of course, is back and doing 
a great job as is Taissa Farmiga from the first season and Lily Rabe 
(Jill Clayborn's daughter) from the second season.


On 10/18/2013 10:28 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:


I like horror films, but this one seems a bit tame. My favourite 
Halloween movie is probably 'Pumpkinhead' (1988) which is currently 
streaming on Netflix. There is a certain spin on the concept of 'as 
you sow, so shall you reap' in this film. It had a budget of US$3.5 
million.




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:

'tis the season for horror films and they are often a bit rare from the
land of the Ved. But Netflix does have the Bollywood hit Raaz 3 and
in striking 1080p SuperHD and Dolby Digital Plus, that is if you have
the gear for it. Raaz 3 is a film about an Bollywood actress who
feels deprived at winning an award at their yearly version of the
Oscars so she uses black magic to get back at her competitor. The
tantric part is not the black magic as a tantric is called in to save
the actress she put a spell on.

Of course you need an acquired taste for Bollywood movies and their
length. This one is 139 minutes long. Some kitch dancing around trees
or dancing on the movie set. I got into these a decade ago to help
learn Hindi (yes there subtitles). The picture quality was near Blu-ray
with SuperHD and I also added a new Yamaha AV Receiver which handles DD+
and my speakers have never sounded so good.

Rated not for Turq and Buck may not like the kissing.

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Raaz_3_The_Third_Dimension/70256939

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread sharelong60

But again to Judy: Death is the natural result of turning aside from God, says 
Rev Hughes in the last sentence of the 5th paragraph under Approach of the 
Orthodox Fathers. From this I would extrapolate that illness, according to the 
Orthodox Fathers is also a natural result of turning aside from God.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Share wrote:
 
  My questions to emptybill are: what does Cyril of Alexandria
  mean by the sin of one?
 
 


 He means Eve's disobedience.
 


 (I'm sure emptybill will correct me if I get anything wrong.)
 
 
  Also, if all sin is illness, does that mean that the orthodox fathers
  believe that all illness is indicative of sin?
 
 

 Did you read this part?
 

 ...Sickness, suffering and death come and when they do God's grace is able to 
transform them into life-bearing trials, but are they God's will? Does God 
punish us when the mood strikes, when our behavior displeases Him or for no 
reason at all?

 

 The answer in the essay to these rhetorical questions is clearly no.

Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Places You Can't Afford to Live

Xeno I also made an unhazy remark about taking it seriously in terms of action 
but not in terms of thinking about it. By which I meant just what you're 
talking about: continuing on no matter what!





On Friday, October 18, 2013 1:20 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com 
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Share wrote:
Xeno, you say that people stop short of enlightenment because it seems that no 
progress is happening. And in the paragraph above that, you say that at some 
point the words have to go. And yet it is the words, or the knowledge and 
understanding that can help a person continue when all is flat and seemingly 
non progressive. Even Maharishi's analogy of going around an iceberg, seeming 
to go backwards has helped me continue. Am I a fool? Or am I persistent? Both? 
And does it even matter?

Dr Dumbass wrote:
The thing Xeno is talking about, is when all ideas, concepts, recited phrases, 
etc. go dry. No more juice or encouragement from them. The seeker feels shitty 
- end of story. This phase illustrates for the seeker, the futility of living 
in the future, where we want to get enlightened, or in the past, remembering a 
flashy spiritual experience. Even though the isolation one feels is the 
strongest, yet, it prepares us for a final surrender, a shift of identity, away 
from this isolated form. Whether, or not, a seeker decides to go through with 
the whole enchilada, is an exact reflection, of the degree to which a seeker 
takes spiritual liberation seriously.


Dr - 

I think this is pretty much a compact way of saying what I was talking about. 
In a later post Share made a hazy remark about taking it seriously or not 
seriously. I am not sure that would work. I would interpret seriously as a 
steady focus on what one wants to accomplish, even though accomplishment is not 
a particularly good way to describe what happens. 

Once awakening happens, one can relax a bit because now the goal is clearly 
experienced, one has to discover how stable the result is, and it usually does 
not take long before that is known, and the true challenge of living what one 
has experienced becomes more and more evident because you now know nothing is 
going to save your ass. Unless lucky enough to come clean all at once, what 
spreads out before one is the prospect of the ego's final dismantling which 
might turn out to be a much more protracted and unpleasant experience than one 
could ever imagine, and this is where some might balk and turn back. This is 
the point where having someone around who knows or at least information around 
about how this process unfolds which helps one from stumbling too much. 

This information did not seem to be available from TM teachers who drone on 
about getting checked etc., or talking about absolute and relative when none of 
that makes any practical sense anymore. Here one is really at that point where 
techniques do not work consistently or at all, mostly one has to pick one's way 
along and see what happens or does not happen. The main thing, if you 
experience a stumble, is not to turn back. It's OK to take a breather once in a 
while if it gets too intense. If lucky it might be easy. It certainly has not 
been for me, so I can only speak for people who have had some really rough 
moments. 

While it seems like one is doing things, as unity consolidates, there really is 
not much choice in the matter. M's 'take it as it comes' is actually good 
advice here, but now it is applied to everything in one's life, not just a tiny 
mantra during a short meditation. 'Handling' a mantra in meditation is really a 
microcosm version, a small scale model version, of how one deals with settling 
into unity on a macroscopic scale. But now instead of the mantra disappearing, 
it's YOU; everything that makes you think you are unique and special is on the 
chopping block.

As for Dark Nights of the Soul (assuming there is a soul) mentioned in later 
posts on this thread, for me, at any rate, was before awakening; everything 
just went dead for a long, long time. Strangely, massive releases following 
some years after awakening were not dark, even if miserable, as I knew what was 
happening, and I had enough stability to wait it out without seriously running 
from it (although at times the desire to act on 'this is not for me' certainly 
arose), and that paid big dividends in subsequent stability. 

Delusional thinking and acting on that thinking can arise at any time; as time 
goes one, one gets more centred in deflecting it and letting it pass quickly; 
it's not an activity that is done as if one is an agent in command of one's 
life, it just becomes more and more automatic, as life as a whole, rather than 
some aspect of life acting on the rest of life settles into this mode. It is 
kind of strange really. Someone with Alzheimer's is present centred, they have 
no memory of the past, and cannot think of the future. As unity settles in, 
past and future seem to converge into the

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: I asked my car insurance to cover my preexisting accident!

2013-10-18 Thread wgm4u

Yeah, I think it kind of drives home the point! Obama care is Socialized 
Medicine, it's not insurance anymore! Welcome to the DMV lines for health care, 
and the cost is going to explode!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Wow, what a trenchant, perceptive analogy. Just devastates the notion that 
insurance companies should cover people for preexisting conditions, don't it? I 
mean, how can anybody be in favor of such coverage after that?
 

 Say, Billy, how long had you been driving without insurance when your accident 
happened? I guess you couldn't afford it, huh?
 
wmg4u wrote:
 
 Unfortunately they said NO, it doesn't seem fair! Oh well, maybe Obama our 
Messiah can fix this! ;-(

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: I asked my car insurance to cover my preexisting accident!

2013-10-18 Thread Bhairitu

So you'd rather pay extortion fees to the health insurance companies 
than have Single Payer?  Remember I don't like the way Obamacare is set 
up either because it is still a giveaway to the big insurance companies 
and does little to curb abusive overcharging for health care services.


Sorry, but this country is well overdue for becoming socialist. What we 
have now is a nation of marks for the capitalistic business fiends.  A 
spanking is in order.


On 10/18/2013 11:46 AM, wgm4u wrote:


Yeah, I think it kind of drives home the point! Obama care is 
Socialized Medicine, it's not insurance anymore! Welcome to the DMV 
lines for health care, and the cost is going to explode!




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


Wow, what a trenchant, perceptive analogy. Just devastates the notion 
that insurance companies should cover people for preexisting 
conditions, don't it? I mean, how can anybody be in favor of such 
coverage after that?



Say, Billy, how long had you been driving without insurance when your 
accident happened? I guess you couldn't afford it, huh?



wmg4u wrote:

Unfortunately they said NO, it doesn't seem fair! Oh well, maybe 
Obama our Messiah can fix this! ;-(

[FairfieldLife] Edifice Architecture and Badrinath

Maybe it's time to review where our tradition comes from.

http://www.templenet.com/hima1.html

[image: Inline image 1]

The image of Shri Badri Narayana here is fashioned out of a Saligramam
stone. Shri Badri Narayana is seated under the badari tree, flanked by
Kubera and Garuda, Narada, Narayana and Nara. Lord Badri Narayan is armed
with Conch and Chakra in two arms in a lifted posture and two more arms
rested on the lap in Yoga Mudra. There is also a shrine to Adi Sankara, and
the procedures of daily pujas and rituals are supposed to have been
prescribed by the Adi.

Are we agreed so far?

Description - The principal image is of black stone and it represents
Vishnu seated in meditative pose.

According to Kathleen Cox, a recent visitor to the shrine, The Badrinath
shrine is a famous vastu-designed temple that has been renovated through
the centuries. Certain beliefs consider this image to be that of the
Buddha, given the seated posture and the placement of the arms. The
meditative pose of the black stone representation of Vishnu certainly
recalls the Buddha, which is not a coincidence - the Buddha was the ninth
avatar of Vishnu.

Mythology - According to Lama Govinda, There can be no doubt about the
symbolical relationship between the Mahayana-Buddha Amitabha, the Buddha of
infinite light, and Vishnu, the sun-god.

Both of them are supposed to incarnate their love and compassion in the
form of helpers and teachers of humanity as bodhisattvas and avatars. Both
of them have the wheel of the law as their attribute.

Other common attributes are the tree of enlightenment and the stupa. Thus
the solar symbolism of the world tree came again into iconography, while
the hemisphere of the stupa became the element of vertical spiritual
development.

Work cited:

'The Psycho-cosmic Symbolism of the Buddhist Stupa'
by Lama Anagarika Govinda
Dharma Publishing 1976
Paper. 102 p. Illustrated. Index.
p. 41-42

'Vastu Living'
Creating a Home for the Soul
by Kathleen Cox
Marlowe and Company 2000
247 p. Paper. Illustrated. Glossary. Index.
p.76-77

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: I asked my car insurance to cover my preexisting accident!


We are in the best of hands!

New errors in the ACA online program indicate technological problems 
extend issues already identified. Maybe Obama should hit the reset 
button. Uh, oh - that's not fully operational either. Go figure.


So, I'm not opposed to Obamacare - many of it's provisions are 
Republican ideas - but the system should have been operational by now. 
And, it should have provided a way to see the cost of the premiums 
BEFORE you registered on the internet. The premiums for healthy, 
cheap-to-insure people cover the big bills for the relatively small 
number of sick people - we know that. Go figure.


What I am against is Obama's 'War on Drugs' and his using the IRS and 
NSA for political purposes.


'Health Website Woes Widen as Insurers Get Wrong Data'
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/ 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304410204579142141827109638


On 10/18/2013 1:46 PM, wgm4u wrote:


Yeah, I think it kind of drives home the point! Obama care is 
Socialized Medicine, it's not insurance anymore! Welcome to the DMV 
lines for health care, and the cost is going to explode!




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


Wow, what a trenchant, perceptive analogy. Just devastates the notion 
that insurance companies should cover people for preexisting 
conditions, don't it? I mean, how can anybody be in favor of such 
coverage after that?



Say, Billy, how long had you been driving without insurance when your 
accident happened? I guess you couldn't afford it, huh?



wmg4u wrote:

Unfortunately they said NO, it doesn't seem fair! Oh well, maybe 
Obama our Messiah can fix this! ;-(

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

The question is, why would God enslave Adam and Eve to work on a fruit 
farm in the first place?


On 10/18/2013 10:48 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
Because Ceasar Chavez hadn't come along yet, unless he was the snake 
in the tree.


*From:* Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2013 7:23 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique
We do not know exactly what plant, of all the plants available to 
them, that Adam and Eve ate of, while in the Biblical Garden of Eden 
(Genesis 3:6).It has been suggested that it was a fruit that Eve 
partook of, perhaps an apple, which certainly shows a certain amount 
of Euoro-centrism. However that may be, if it was a tree, it may have 
been a fig tree, similar to the Bodhi Tree of Indian Buddhist legend 
- the sacred ficus religiosus. The sacred tree in Micronesian 
mythology is the banana tree, whose origin is tied up in the idea of 
manna and the myth of the Tree of Plenty and the mythology of the 
the dying and rising tree spirit.Why Adam and Eve were forbidden to 
eat of this one particular tree is somewhat of a metaphysical mystery, 
not fully explained. The question is, why would God enslave Adam and 
Eve to work on a fruit farm in the first place? Go figure.On 
10/17/2013 10:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*Thanks, this is great. For the moment, one question: The expulsion 
from the Garden and from the Tree of Life was an act of love and not 
vengeance so that humanity would not 'become immortal in sin.' What 
does immortal in sin mean, and how would that happen?*


*emptybill wrote:*
Read this and then see if you have questions.

http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin

RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

Share wrote:
  
  But again to Judy: Death is the natural result of turning aside from God, 
  says Rev Hughes
  in the last sentence of the 5th paragraph under Approach of the Orthodox 
  Fathers. From
  this I would extrapolate that illness, according to the Orthodox Fathers is 
  also a natural
  result of turning aside from God.
 

 Well, you just go right ahead and extrapolate your little brains out, OK?
 

Share wrote:
 
  My questions to emptybill are: what does Cyril of Alexandria
  mean by the sin of one?
 
 


 He means Eve's disobedience.
 


 (I'm sure emptybill will correct me if I get anything wrong.)
 
 
  Also, if all sin is illness, does that mean that the orthodox fathers
  believe that all illness is indicative of sin?
 
 

 Did you read this part?
 

 ...Sickness, suffering and death come and when they do God's grace is able to 
transform them into life-bearing trials, but are they God's will? Does God 
punish us when the mood strikes, when our behavior displeases Him or for no 
reason at all?

 

 The answer in the essay to these rhetorical questions is clearly no.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Most Educated Countries in the World

Yeah, it's fun to join a spiritual group and make fun of them, for an 
hour or two. But, for twenty years? Go figure.


On 10/18/2013 9:38 AM, Share Long wrote:
What I mainly object to is trashing people that a person does not even 
know either in person or even online!




On Friday, October 18, 2013 9:13 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

*Barry wrote:*
*(snip)*
 There is simply NOTHING that any of its detractors
 could make up about the TMO that is worse or more
 damning than stuff it's already done.

*Well, heck, you made /this/ up: *

 I would suggest that sponsoring Immortality
 Courses that promise you'll never die if you
 take them and charging a fortune for them falls
 into the same ballpark re the TMO.

You know, it's odd, but generally speaking, the older one
gets, the better sense of proportionality one has. With
Barry, it's the reverse:

 In other contexts, a great recent quote was that
 the Republican Party has made satire redundant.
 Because nothing that people can dream up to say
 about them is as bad as the stuff they really do.

To suggest that the TMO has ever done anything
anywhere /near/ as bad as the stunt the Republicans just
tried, in terms of sheer malice, recklessness, and wanton
destructiveness, is simply insane.

For once, Share made a meaningful observation:

turq, dummy or not, one thing I get is that some people are just as 
invested in trashing the TMO as they say others are in not trashing it!


Invested in doesn't quite cover it, though, in Barry's case. 
Obsessed by  or consumed by trashing the TMO are more like it.

[FairfieldLife] Al Gore: Avoid Oil Stocks

He says the carbon bubble will burst soon. 
 

 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/al-gore-carbon-bubble-going-burst-avoid-oil-121707563.html
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/al-gore-carbon-bubble-going-burst-avoid-oil-121707563.html

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Most Educated Countries in the World

 No shit!

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Yeah, it's fun to join a spiritual group and make fun of them, for an hour or 
two. But, for twenty years? Go figure.
 
 On 10/18/2013 9:38 AM, Share Long wrote:
 
   What I mainly object to is trashing people that a person does not even know 
either in person or even online! 
 
 
 
 
 On Friday, October 18, 2013 9:13 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... 
authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
Barry wrote:
 (snip)
  There is simply NOTHING that any of its detractors
  could make up about the TMO that is worse or more
  damning than stuff it's already done.
 
 
 
 Well, heck, you made this up: 
 
 
  I would suggest that sponsoring Immortality 
  Courses that promise you'll never die if you 
  take them and charging a fortune for them falls
  into the same ballpark re the TMO. 
 
 
 You know, it's odd, but generally speaking, the older one
 gets, the better sense of proportionality one has. With
 Barry, it's the reverse:
 
 
  In other contexts, a great recent quote was that 
 
  the Republican Party has made satire redundant.
  Because nothing that people can dream up to say
  about them is as bad as the stuff they really do.
 
 
 To suggest that the TMO has ever done anything 
 anywhere near as bad as the stunt the Republicans just 
 tried, in terms of sheer malice, recklessness, and wanton
 destructiveness, is simply insane.
 
 
 For once, Share made a meaningful observation:
 
 
 turq, dummy or not, one thing I get is that some people are just as invested 
in trashing the TMO as they say others are in not trashing it!
 
 
 
 Invested in doesn't quite cover it, though, in Barry's case. Obsessed by  or 
consumed by trashing the TMO are more like it.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Most Educated Countries in the World

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
 Yeah, it's fun to join a spiritual group and make fun of them, for an hour or 
two. But, for twenty years? Go figure.

 

 It's called endurance.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Al Gore: Avoid Oil Stocks

2013-10-18 Thread Mike Dixon

Better check your pension plans, probably invested in oil, among other things, 
maybe even tobacco!

From: jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Al Gore: Avoid Oil Stocks

He says the carbon bubble will burst soon.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/al-gore-carbon-bubble-going-burst-avoid-oil-121707563.html

[FairfieldLife] Sometimes

Sometimes rubbing elbows with Marshy was a liability

http://www.politics1.com/scranton-maharishi.htm

RE: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Places You Can#39;t Afford to Live

Thanks for this, Xeno - I read it once, but then had to mow the lawn, so now I 
am back:
 

 Dr - 
 

 I think this is pretty much a compact way of saying what I was talking about. 
In a later post Share made a hazy remark about taking it seriously or not 
seriously. I am not sure that would work. I would interpret seriously as a 
steady focus on what one wants to accomplish, even though accomplishment is not 
a particularly good way to describe what happens. 
 

 Once awakening happens, one can relax a bit because now the goal is clearly 
experienced, one has to discover how stable the result is, and it usually does 
not take long before that is known, and the true challenge of living what one 
has experienced becomes more and more evident because you now know nothing is 
going to save your ass. Unless lucky enough to come clean all at once, what 
spreads out before one is the prospect of the ego's final dismantling which 
might turn out to be a much more protracted and unpleasant experience than one 
could ever imagine, and this is where some might balk and turn back. This is 
the point where having someone around who knows or at least information around 
about how this process unfolds which helps one from stumbling too much. 

 

 All well described. Yes, I found that other people nudged me along, as needed.

 

 This information did not seem to be available from TM teachers who drone on 
about getting checked etc., or talking about absolute and relative when none of 
that makes any practical sense anymore. Here one is really at that point where 
techniques do not work consistently or at all, mostly one has to pick one's way 
along and see what happens or does not happen. The main thing, if you 
experience a stumble, is not to turn back. It's OK to take a breather once in a 
while if it gets too intense. If lucky it might be easy. It certainly has not 
been for me, so I can only speak for people who have had some really rough 
moments. 

 

 Yes, I also went through the dismantling of everything, including the 
limitations of what the TM movement could offer me, beyond the checking, etc. 
Going back is really not possible - I assume you mean somehow reverting to 
previous values - especially with continuation of the TM technique, because the 
shape of the container [of consciousness] keeps changing. 

 

 While it seems like one is doing things, as unity consolidates, there really 
is not much choice in the matter. M's 'take it as it comes' is actually good 
advice here, but now it is applied to everything in one's life, not just a tiny 
mantra during a short meditation. 'Handling' a mantra in meditation is really a 
microcosm version, a small scale model version, of how one deals with settling 
into unity on a macroscopic scale. But now instead of the mantra disappearing, 
it's YOU; everything that makes you think you are unique and special is on the 
chopping block.
 

 Yes, the once limited identity becomes far more fluid, as unity is approached 
and integrated.

 

 As for Dark Nights of the Soul (assuming there is a soul) mentioned in later 
posts on this thread, for me, at any rate, was before awakening; everything 
just went dead for a long, long time. Strangely, massive releases following 
some years after awakening were not dark, even if miserable, as I knew what was 
happening, and I had enough stability to wait it out without seriously running 
from it (although at times the desire to act on 'this is not for me' certainly 
arose), and that paid big dividends in subsequent stability. 

 

 Yeah, the established silence within us, once we wake up, is an amazing 
buffer, able to bring us through a lot of turbulence.

 

 Delusional thinking and acting on that thinking can arise at any time; as time 
goes one, one gets more centred in deflecting it and letting it pass quickly; 
it's not an activity that is done as if one is an agent in command of one's 
life, it just becomes more and more automatic, as life as a whole, rather than 
some aspect of life acting on the rest of life settles into this mode. It is 
kind of strange really. 
 

 Yeah, moving towards Unity.

 

 Someone with Alzheimer's is present centred, they have no memory of the past, 
and cannot think of the future.
 

 Not my experience with them, that they are 'present centered' - Their mind is 
disordered, so that linear chains of thought cannot be formed. The relationship 
to current time and space is lost.

 

 As unity settles in, past and future seem to converge into the present - you 
still remember things from the past, and can plan, but the sense of time is 
crippled, one might say, in that past remembered events do not seem distant as 
a reminiscence, and planning for future happenings is very minimalist, because 
you don't know what is going to happen that might change, you plan and if 
something else happens you just switch course. Be my guest if you want to 
consult an astrologer. As far as I can see their predictions

[FairfieldLife] RE: Most Educated Countries in the World

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
 
 What I mainly object to is trashing people that a person does not even know 
either in person or even online! 
 

 You are going to be objecting a lot, as this seems to be one of the human 
species main preoccupations. If you know of it, you can be negative about 
something. Even if it does not exist, you can be negative about an idea that 
has no reality other than the words of the thought. People have emotional 
wounds, and crazy ideas, and do not have a clue how to unburden them.
 

 Here is the argument I use: Whatever it is that created the universe that 
produced these things, blame that bastard, or bitch, or if gender neutral, one 
can just trash 'It'. Funny thing though, what if what is disturbing can be laid 
at one's own doorstep.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Most Educated Countries in the World

Nope, running a marathon is endurance - OTOH, spanking a spiritual group for 
twenty years is called obsession, but it doesn't smell like perfume. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
 Yeah, it's fun to join a spiritual group and make fun of them, for an hour or 
two. But, for twenty years? Go figure.

 

 It's called endurance.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Most Educated Countries in the World

You're right, Xeno, it's at my own doorstep. All grist for the mill. 





On Friday, October 18, 2013 3:46 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com 
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


What I mainly object to is trashing people that a person does not even know 
either in person or even online! 


You are going to be objecting a lot, as this seems to be one of the human 
species main preoccupations. If you know of it, you can be negative about 
something. Even if it does not exist, you can be negative about an idea that 
has no reality other than the words of the thought. People have emotional 
wounds, and crazy ideas, and do not have a clue how to unburden them.

Here is the argument I use: Whatever it is that created the universe that 
produced these things, blame that bastard, or bitch, or if gender neutral, one 
can just trash 'It'. Funny thing though, what if what is disturbing can be laid 
at one's own doorstep.

[FairfieldLife] #39;Fifteen Places#39; music vid

This one is called, ‘Fifteen Places’ – artistic license, though the number is 
close.
 Used all video clips in this one, vs. animating any stills --
 

 Here are the fifteen places, in no particular order - 

 

 (1) Mendocino, CA. (2) Capitola, CA. (3) Sea Cliff, CA. (4) Maui, HI. (5) San 
Jose, CA. (6) Alcatraz Island. (7) SF Bay. (8) Haleakala Volcano on Maui. (9) 
Napa, CA. (10) The Oakland Zoo. (11) Mendocino, CA. (12) Cabo San Lucas, Mexico 
(blink and you'll miss it). (13) Hakone Japanese Gardens in Saratoga, CA. (14) 
Flying above the Irish Sea. (15) Those guys on bicycles.
 

 The song is, Clear Air, from my, 'Everybody Wants A Private Jet' album.
  
 Fifteen Places (5:20)
  
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYSSaEP-GAc 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYSSaEP-GAc

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: I asked my car insurance to cover my preexisting accident!

2013-10-18 Thread wgm4u

At least you're an honest socialist, (I know you have a grudge against the 
rich), but anyway, apparently capitalism has lifted more out of poverty than 
socialism ever has.or so they say. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 So you'd rather pay extortion fees to the health insurance companies than have 
Single Payer?  Remember I don't like the way Obamacare is set up either because 
it is still a giveaway to the big insurance companies and does little to curb 
abusive overcharging for health care services.
 
 Sorry, but this country is well overdue for becoming socialist.  What we have 
now is a nation of marks for the capitalistic business fiends.  A spanking is 
in order.
 
 On 10/18/2013 11:46 AM, wgm4u wrote:
 
   Yeah, I think it kind of drives home the point! Obama care is Socialized 
Medicine, it's not insurance anymore! Welcome to the DMV lines for health care, 
and the cost is going to explode!
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 Wow, what a trenchant, perceptive analogy. Just devastates the notion that 
insurance companies should cover people for preexisting conditions, don't it? I 
mean, how can anybody be in favor of such coverage after that?
 
 
 Say, Billy, how long had you been driving without insurance when your accident 
happened? I guess you couldn't afford it, huh?
 
 wmg4u wrote:
 
 Unfortunately they said NO, it doesn't seem fair! Oh well, maybe Obama our 
Messiah can fix this! ;-(

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[FairfieldLife] colostrum improves prostrate health

2013-10-18 Thread yifuxero

http://www.firstmilking.com/prostate_health.htm 
http://www.firstmilking.com/prostate_health.htm

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: I asked my car insurance to cover my preexisting accident!

2013-10-18 Thread Bhairitu


IOW, captialism didn't work for you. ;-)

Socialism is to maintain a commons or things everyone should have a 
right to.  You can have limited capitalism and socialism side by side 
and some countries do.  That's the way the US was supposed to work 
before the white collar criminals gamed the system in their favor.  What 
do you think of the banksters who say we are doing God's work?  
Obviously these are seriously deluded souls who SHOULD NOT be in charge 
of trillions of dollars.  See how out of balance things are?


I don't have a grudge against ordinary rich people but there comes a 
point where having too much money is dangerous.


On 10/18/2013 04:59 PM, wgm4u wrote:


At least you're an honest socialist, (I know you have a grudge against 
the rich), but anyway, apparently capitalism has lifted more out of 
poverty than socialism ever has.or so they say.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


So you'd rather pay extortion fees to the health insurance companies 
than have Single Payer?  Remember I don't like the way Obamacare is 
set up either because it is still a giveaway to the big insurance 
companies and does little to curb abusive overcharging for health care 
services.


Sorry, but this country is well overdue for becoming socialist.  What 
we have now is a nation of marks for the capitalistic business 
fiends.  A spanking is in order.


On 10/18/2013 11:46 AM, wgm4u wrote:

Yeah, I think it kind of drives home the point! Obama care is 
Socialized Medicine, it's not insurance anymore! Welcome to the DMV 
lines for health care, and the cost is going to explode!




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Wow, what a trenchant, perceptive analogy. Just devastates the notion 
that insurance companies should cover people for preexisting 
conditions, don't it? I mean, how can anybody be in favor of such 
coverage after that?



Say, Billy, how long had you been driving without insurance when your 
accident happened? I guess you couldn't afford it, huh?



wmg4u wrote:

Unfortunately they said NO, it doesn't seem fair! Oh well, maybe 
Obama our Messiah can fix this! ;-(

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?

Zoar and the Zoarites : “These German “Come Outers” [separatists] were for the 
most part mystics who had read the writings of Jacob Boehm, Gerhard Terstegen, 
and Jung Stilling; they cherished different religious or doctrinal beliefs, 
were stigmatized as fanatics, but were usually , I judge, simple-hearted, pious 
people, desirous to lead a more spiritual life than the found in the churches.” 
-Nordoff, The Communistic Societies of the United States (1794-1875) Published 
1875 
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
 Like in Fairfield it [satsang] starts as small living room satsanga or 
meetings in home or in the public community meeting rooms with a teacher, 
mystic or visiting saint. Friends in meetings. Occasionally it goes straight to 
a big space like Adyashanti coming to the Fairfield convention center once. But 
Satsanga certainly lives and thrives in an old fashion too under the radar 
where necessary in meditating Fairfield, just like in history. It's part of the 
story. 
 

 Interesting that so many of these spiritual groups that developed historically 
had commonly started out around a mystic in meetings held in people's living 
rooms then going on towards facilitating around that in to organizations and 
becoming a history. In Europe they would have living room meetings [satsanga?] 
and then grow in to facilitating groups while defending themselves against the 
persecutions that would come from the established local orthodoxy, be that the 
Lutherans, Papists, or Anglicans of their day.  Then, eventually fleeing to 
America.
  
 
  Thanks. Yes, the world could use a lot more piety. FFL could too.
 -Buck the Pious
 

 Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's 
post on another thread (power naps): Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.: 
 We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all 
contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent 
prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though 
to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even 
the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish 
ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!
 

 

  
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:






  [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the 
divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate 
spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] 
 


  TM and Quietist Pietistic [meditating] Fairfield, Iowa
 in companion as with other historic places like
 for instance on the Registry of National Historic Places, organized here A to 
Z..
 


  Other Meissner Effect [ME] group meditators...
 


  Amana Colonies
 Long Meissner Effect group meditations every day.
 http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php 
http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php
 


 Brook Farm
 http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf 
http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf 
 


  Pleasant Hill,
 Half hour silent meditation twice a day and daily group Meissner Effect [ME] 
meditations 
 http://www.shakervillageky.org/ http://www.shakervillageky.org/ 
 


  Whittier, Iowa Hicksite Quakers,
 National Registry of Historic Places; 
 Settlement era 
 Iowa Meissner Effect [ME] Group Meditation:
 
https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house
 
https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house
 
 


  Zoar
 
http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village
 
http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village
 
 



  [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the 
divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate 
spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to 
be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important 
spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. 
 

 Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and 
revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and 
religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati!
 -Buck, in the Dome 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never 
conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th 
Century American spiritual experience and

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: MUM and the Tree of Knowledge

Zoar [Ohio] prospered for 80 years. 
 A seven pointed star of Bethlehem was chosen as the emblem and the acorn from 
which the mighty oak grows was their symbol of strength.  
 The emblem of the separatists, a huge star in red, white and yellow. Members 
wore similar emblems on their shoulders to distinguish themselves from 
strangers visiting the village. [The emblem was really cool and obviously had a 
lot of symbolism in it. I looked all around the gift shop and bookstore to try 
to buy one or get a picture or postcard and there was none to be had as I 
recently visited Zoar.]
 

 
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  
 SHAKER TREE OF LIFE This Shaker drawing, known as the Tree of Life, is the 
most famous of the all Shaker gift drawings. To the Shakers, fruit-bearing 
trees represented the unspoiled loveliness of the Garden of Eden. It was 
painted at Hancock Shaker Village in 1854. This is a limited edition serigraph 
(silk screen print) of the original. It is framed under glass in a solid cherry 
wood frame. Frame is finished with hand-rubbed oil and wax. Framed size is 26 
wide x 21 high. Ready to hang. Made in USA.

City of Peace Monday July, 3rd 1854.
I received a draft of a beautiful Tree pencil'd on a large sheet of paper 
bearing ripe fruit. I saw it plainly; it looked very singular and curious to 
me. I have since learned that this tree grows in the Spirit Land. Afterwards 
the spirit shew'd me plainly the branches, leaves and fruit, painted or drawn 
upon paper. The leaves were check'd or cross'd and the same colors you see 
here. I entreated Mother Ann to tell me the name of this tree: which she did 
Oct. 1st 4th hour P.M. by moving the hand of a medium to write twice over Your 
Tree is the Tree of Life.
Seen and painted by, Hannah Cohoon.
 
 
 
 
 
 This Shaker drawing is known as the Tree of Life.
 Each Shaker spirit drawing was preceded by a heavenly vision which was 
transferred to paper in meticulous detail.
 The Tree of Life was seen and painted by Sister Hanna Cohoon at the 
Hancock community in the summer of 1854.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  The center piece of Zoar is the 3 acre religiously significant formal garden 
featuring the center tree of life.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  “And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man 
whom he had formed.  And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree 
that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the 
midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.”
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 What connection, if any, does the story of the three wise men presenting gifts 
to the infant Jesus, have to do with the fact that even today we decorate trees 
during our most Holy Day of the year, just like it was the same Asian Tree of 
Plenty? A cargo cult? 
 

 Also, is it a coincidence that the emblem for MUM is the Tree of Knowledge 
which is akin to the Bodhi Tree of the historical Buddha?
 

 
 
 

 Three motifs loom large on the stage of world mythology; the dying and rising 
tree spirit, the tree of life, the waxing and waning of the moon, and the 
cast-skin. The myth of immortality can be traced back to Neolithic times and 
had it's origin in Southeast Asia well over 5000 years ago. These myths through 
a process of diffusion and human migration have spread out in more complex 
combinations in Western mythology.
 

 In Asian mythology the fruit of the Tree of Plenty was discovered by children 
through experimentation. Their parents decided to cut the tree down to get the 
fruit. In this myth, the cutting down and destruction of the sacred tree acts 
as a trigger, or is necessary to the general distribution of its product (Eden 
in the East 356).
 

 The myth of the Sacred Tree in Genesis and the Great Flood myth mentioned 
in the Epic of Gilgamesh could be versions of two of the most basic myths 
known to history. The rite of tree worship, in which the dying and rising 
tree-spirit is destroyed and then brought back to life, points to man's ability 
to harvest food. It is well known that the first cultivation of rice took place 
in Southeast Asia and hence spread to India. 
 

 Likewise, the myth of the flood could have originated when the polar icecaps 
melted along with a general warming of the planet, forcing countless thousands 
of coastal habitations to migrate all over Asia, China, Tibet, India, and the 
Middle East, about 7,000 years ago.
 

 There are at least 2 more tree references, used in the TMO.
 

 1.  On the new currency by Maharishi: The Raam Mudra is named for the ancient 
Indian prince whose image appears on the notes. The colorful bills also feature 
Sanskrit messages of peace and prosperity, a cow and a wish-fulfilling tree.
 

 2.  On the cover of a

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread s3raphita

Re The writer is making a distinction between (Eastern) Orthodox Christianity 
and Western Christianity and how and why they diverged after the first roughly 
four centuries following Christ's death (and presumably his Resurrection).:
 

 Yep - and I'm making a distinction between what Christ himself realised and 
taught and what the Church (east and west) later came to teach. 
 

 Jesus *obviously* saw the truth of the Advaita position - I and My Father Are 
One -   and once you see that you also see that Original Sin and the 
Forgiveness of Sins are two sides of the same coin - that there is One Self 
(Christ Consciousness) which each of us is at root. 
 

 The reason modern Christians can't acknowledge that blindingly obvious fact is 
that they have to maintain the fiction that each soul was created ex nihilo. 
Only what isn't created is eternal. And what is eternal is the One Self. Read 
the Gospel accounts and you have to really work overtime not to see what Jesus 
was pointing to! The theological argy-bargy in the linked article isn't a 
problem IF you see that it is expressing in mythological terms what the 
non-dualists set out in plain speech.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 Seraphita wrote:

 
  Who is on those pictures, Daddy? 
  He replied, The Virgin Mary and Jesus. 
  She picked up the icon, kissed it and hugged it to her chest exclaiming, 
  Oh, daddy, they love you so much!
 Then, he told me, We understood. It's all about affection. 
 
  If it's really all about affection who needed Christianity? People have 
  been affectionate to their friends and family since time immemorial. And
  one can't be *affectionate* to one's enemies!
 
 

 Odd that you didn't quote the very next sentence:
 

 Love, in fact, is the heart and soul of the theology of the early Church 
Fathers and of the Orthodox Church (emphasis added).

 

 That would be God's infinite love and compassion, not ordinary human affection.
 

 The writer is making a distinction between (Eastern) Orthodox Christianity and 
Western Christianity and how and why they diverged after the first roughly four 
centuries following Christ's death (and presumably his resurrection). You'll 
need to read the rest of the essay to understand what that distinction is all 
about.
 

 Your other points are something of a straw man where Eastern Christianity is 
concerned, as you'll find if you read the rest of the essay. No version of 
Christianity can be really consonant with TM metaphysics, but it appears to me 
that there are some elements of Eastern Christian theology that are more 
resonant with TM than those of Western theology. (emptybill, 
corrections/reflections solicited.)
 

  Here's the simple alternative. If you look at the basic Advaita-Vedanta
  outlook isn't it saying that there is in reality only One Self. It is only 
  in
  appearance that there are many of us. If therefore any one individual
  sins we've all sinned as there is no difference between us *in reality*.
  One man slips up - Adam - and we all take a pratfall. No man is an
  island. 
 
  But if you recognise that there is just the Self as the one actor how can
  any one man be guilty? - that is precisely to imagine oneself apart from
  the whole. The forgiveness of sins balances Original Sin.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: MUM and the Tree of Knowledge

One lapel pin I'd like to have is the Global Country of World Peace pin, the 
one with the graphic of the rising sun with its Golden rays. A little bit 
before LB Shriver passed away he gave me his SRM lapel pin, the intricate one 
with the face of Guru Dev Brahmananda Saraswati embossed on it and the words 
“In God Consciousness Peace Energy Happiness Jai Guru Dev SRM . I wear it along 
with my National Network to Freedom pin on my Quaker vest lapel. I'd add the 
Global Country pin if I had one.
 -Buck 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Zoar [Ohio] prospered for 80 years. 
 A seven pointed star of Bethlehem was chosen as the emblem and the acorn from 
which the mighty oak grows was their symbol of strength.  
 The emblem of the separatists, a huge star in red, white and yellow. Members 
wore similar emblems on their shoulders to distinguish themselves from 
strangers visiting the village. [The emblem was really cool and obviously had a 
lot of symbolism in it. I looked all around the gift shop and bookstore to try 
to buy one or get a picture or postcard and there was none to be had as I 
recently visited Zoar.]
 

 
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  
 SHAKER TREE OF LIFE This Shaker drawing, known as the Tree of Life, is the 
most famous of the all Shaker gift drawings. To the Shakers, fruit-bearing 
trees represented the unspoiled loveliness of the Garden of Eden. It was 
painted at Hancock Shaker Village in 1854. This is a limited edition serigraph 
(silk screen print) of the original. It is framed under glass in a solid cherry 
wood frame. Frame is finished with hand-rubbed oil and wax. Framed size is 26 
wide x 21 high. Ready to hang. Made in USA.

City of Peace Monday July, 3rd 1854.
I received a draft of a beautiful Tree pencil'd on a large sheet of paper 
bearing ripe fruit. I saw it plainly; it looked very singular and curious to 
me. I have since learned that this tree grows in the Spirit Land. Afterwards 
the spirit shew'd me plainly the branches, leaves and fruit, painted or drawn 
upon paper. The leaves were check'd or cross'd and the same colors you see 
here. I entreated Mother Ann to tell me the name of this tree: which she did 
Oct. 1st 4th hour P.M. by moving the hand of a medium to write twice over Your 
Tree is the Tree of Life.
Seen and painted by, Hannah Cohoon.
 
 
 
 
 
 This Shaker drawing is known as the Tree of Life.
 Each Shaker spirit drawing was preceded by a heavenly vision which was 
transferred to paper in meticulous detail.
 The Tree of Life was seen and painted by Sister Hanna Cohoon at the 
Hancock community in the summer of 1854.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  The center piece of Zoar is the 3 acre religiously significant formal garden 
featuring the center tree of life.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  “And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man 
whom he had formed.  And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree 
that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the 
midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.”
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 What connection, if any, does the story of the three wise men presenting gifts 
to the infant Jesus, have to do with the fact that even today we decorate trees 
during our most Holy Day of the year, just like it was the same Asian Tree of 
Plenty? A cargo cult? 
 

 Also, is it a coincidence that the emblem for MUM is the Tree of Knowledge 
which is akin to the Bodhi Tree of the historical Buddha?
 

 
 
 

 Three motifs loom large on the stage of world mythology; the dying and rising 
tree spirit, the tree of life, the waxing and waning of the moon, and the 
cast-skin. The myth of immortality can be traced back to Neolithic times and 
had it's origin in Southeast Asia well over 5000 years ago. These myths through 
a process of diffusion and human migration have spread out in more complex 
combinations in Western mythology.
 

 In Asian mythology the fruit of the Tree of Plenty was discovered by children 
through experimentation. Their parents decided to cut the tree down to get the 
fruit. In this myth, the cutting down and destruction of the sacred tree acts 
as a trigger, or is necessary to the general distribution of its product (Eden 
in the East 356).
 

 The myth of the Sacred Tree in Genesis and the Great Flood myth mentioned 
in the Epic of Gilgamesh could be versions of two of the most basic myths 
known to history. The rite of tree worship, in which the dying and rising 
tree-spirit is destroyed and then brought back to life, points to man's ability 
to harvest food. It is well known that the first cultivation of rice took place 
in Southeast Asia and hence spread to India. 
 

 Likewise, the

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique