[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/24/05 10:37 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think Maharishi understands what a government is, period. He's lived in never-never land all of his life, inside ashrams and then at the center of one (his movement). The only governmental structure within those organ- izations is Big Boss Man telling everybody what to do. No one gets a vote, no one else's opinion is solicited or valued; it's Big Boss Man's way or the highway. The reason he doesn't like democracies is that he doesn't consider the common man qualified to have a say in governmental policy. He thinks that individuals should just concern themselves with their individual lives and leave the big government stuff to those whose dharma qualifies them to manage it. Anyone else remember this moment at the giant course in India in early 1981? Someone asked M very directly about what is the best form of government or some such thing. This question came after he was damning Democracy (in whatever words he did it back then). His reply was short and then he radically got off the subject. M said: Enlightened dictatorship...but this is a controversial topic and then he immediately changed the topic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Government, was: Dome total numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason he doesn't like democracies is that he doesn't consider the common man qualified to have a say in governmental policy. Something our founding fathers agreed with... * He thinks that individuals should just concern themselves with their individual lives and leave the big government stuff to those whose dharma qualifies them to manage it. * And who does he think is qualified to determine whose dharma qualifies them to do that? I was pretty certain that Maharishi felt he was the only person qualified to be the true Enlightened Dictator. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: News from Austin
Well, it's from Einar, what else would you expect? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment from a friend: This is hysterical They are taking credit for all of this?? I wonder if they have even initiated ONE PERSON??? Einar Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:43:55 -0500 Subject: Summary of good news From: Einar Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mary Cathryn Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear San Antonio, South and West Texas Gov¹s, Sidhas, and Meditators, Following is a review of some good news since the project began here, with some ³new news,² Good wishes to each of you, Einar Mary Cathryn Dear Raja Wynne, As we have an appointment with the Mayor¹s office this afternoon at 2 and are meeting with the Montignani¹s at noon for lunch to prepare, for the first time we won¹t be able to be on the call today but will speak with John Runkle again this afternoon or tomorrow, he called us yesterday and said let¹s talk again Monday or Tuesday. And we will be on the Wednesday call. This was the second reschedule of our appointment with the Mayor¹s staff member so we felt it best to just come at the time of her request. In general for the city of San Antonio, things have been going especially well since the project began here: * the new mayor was elected with an intention to reform a city hall that according to several columnists didn¹t have the best reputation, * the Spurs won the national championship, * the mayor is being praised around the country, * he was able to get the city manager he wanted who is said to have been responsible for bringing Phoenix to national high-profile, * the mayor has asserted much more of a centralizing leadership role in the context of a city manager/council set-up, while winning the respect and appreciation of council members, * he has also created a much needed house cleaning of the city attorney¹s office and operations, * a Congressional committee decided to decrease the offensive orientation of the military here and make it even more of a health center, * the plans for a major Toyota plant in the underdeveloped south of the city are progressing smoothly, which will balance and revitalize the whole city¹s economy, * the Saints have come to town to capacity crowds and San Antonio is by far the most likely contender for their permanent residence, creating another major economic and emotional boost for the population, * a new study just came out showing that financial services (banking) has been since 2001 the #1 economic factor in the metro economy (rather than biotech), news that was welcomed by the city business and government leaders, * the regional VP¹s of Chase and Wells Fargo have both said the area has a very bright future and they are going to substantially increase their investment in it. * Bexar County (SA¹s county) did not vote for the current president in the past election, * here in the only area of the US where military recruitment has not been falling and failing, a nearly full page guest editorial appeared on the first page of the Views section of the Express-News yesterday calling for an end to the US military activity in Iraq, * this member of the Mayor¹s staff has enthusiastically welcomed us to an appointment, expressing strong interest in our group (due to a great extent to the proper orientation of 5 key government buildings, including City Hall, very near each other downtown), * although we have not asked any radio or TV stations to be on talk shows, a talk show host invited us on her show as soon as she could schedule it (this coming January), saying she is very interested and thinks many others will be, * International has approved a $5.5 million land for San Antonio if the owners are willing to receive payment over time, * the owner of one of the most well-located, up-scale, exclusive shopping centers in the metro area has been trying to persuade us for weeks to open our Maharishi Enlightenment Center in his location, saying our business concept and financials are better than a successful business who would like one of his spaces. Every strong, succcessful Governor here (Josie and Paul Fauerso, Jim van Winkle, Gary Hardy, and John Layton), have been thrilled with this opportunity and the space is half built out, with costs approved by you ($15 + $5, with a likelihood the owner will pay $10/SF to complete the build-out). He even stopped his negotiations with this other potential tenant in order to offer us the space they were very close to leasing with him after weeks of negotiations. The name of the shopping center is The Collection (English for Samhita). All of these except Toyota¹s decision and the vote happened since the project started here. We appreciate your time and attention very much and look forward to the conference calls. Jai Guru Dev,
[FairfieldLife] Re: An educational interlude
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/26/05 2:12 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you've ever wondered how the other sex experiences an orgasm try this Orgasmic Simulator: http://viral.lycos.co.uk/attachments/3939/Orgasmic_Simulator2.htm My advice -- start with the male, then do the female... And, use Internet Explorer instead of Firefox. Worked on my Firefox (Mac). Did you get the browser window shaking like it's having an orgasm? Or just the little popup click thingies? All I got in Firefox was the popup click thingies. I used Firefox and I had an actual orgasm. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: An educational interlude
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used Firefox and I had an actual orgasm. Obviously the male orgasm or you would not have gotten back to us so quickly. great rejoinder---guilty as charged --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/26/05 2:12 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you've ever wondered how the other sex experiences an orgasm try this Orgasmic Simulator: http://viral.lycos.co.uk/attachments/3939/Orgasmic_Simulator2.htm My advice -- start with the male, then do the female... And, use Internet Explorer instead of Firefox. Worked on my Firefox (Mac). Did you get the browser window shaking like it's having an orgasm? Or just the little popup click thingies? All I got in Firefox was the popup click thingies. I used Firefox and I had an actual orgasm. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mahesh turned his whole movement into a fascinating train-wreck. I've long believed the very same thing. My observation is that since the mid-70s when the popularity of TM began to decline Maharishi has seemed set on a destructive path. For example he's said destructive things about the lifestyles of his initiators-the very ones who put off attempts at earning money to work for him an attempt and introduced a profusion of expensive programs, each one creating an air of elitism with it's consequent lower class. TM twice per day for 20 minutes was a great leveler and the greatest thing since a toasted salt bagel with butter, cream cheese, tomato and onion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: HA HA - A name and form joke
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mahesh turned his whole movement into a fascinating train-wreck. I've long believed the very same thing. My observation is that since the mid-70s when the popularity of TM began to decline Maharishi has seemed set on a destructive path. One example that comes to mind are the destructive comments he used to make about the lifestyles of his initiators-the very ones who put off attempts at earning money to work for him. Another is the introducting of a profusion of expensive programs, each one creating an air of elitism with it's consequent lower class. TM twice per day for 20 minutes was a great leveler and the greatest thing since a toasted salt bagel with butter, cream cheese, tomato and onion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy You must be referring to Peter Muldavin, one of the funniest guys ever. Here is what he has been up to: http://www.kiddierekordking.com/aboutme.html Ken (I believe I recall that the lecture was said to have been originated by a TM teacher whose first name was Peter, who was rumored to be in CC himself. He was around the Manhattan TM Center a lot and taught many of its residence courses, another really brilliant teacher. Anybody know who I'm talking about, or what he's doing now? He would tell a joke about a large-mouthed frog, which I can't remember either.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi School Enrollment Down
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/30/05 8:01 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another full paying family took their full-paying kids out of town to a Waldorf school where they found there was also a consciousness based values system. The Fairfield home schooling program and the private home schooling seminar/tutoring teachers have always been a good alternative here and they are flourishing right now handling the MSAE erosion. A friend of mine took her full-paying son out of MSAE because a lot of his classmates were into swearing, looking at porn, etc. He's been doing home schooling since. And if he kid were in the Fairfield school system, she would have felt it necessary to have taken her kid out for the same reasons. And now she's going to make a homebody out of the kid so he is not around those sweary porny kids, in addition to home schooling him? Going to school socializes kids, and porn and swearing are part of the culture that kids need to deal with. From the mouth and mind of Bob Brigante, noted world authority on child behavior. How come you didn't include a Vedic quote? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bird Flu, was: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/31/05 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. You don't think the bird flu thing is a real threat? At least one person is coming forth saying it is nothing more than a) a plan to keep the fear going b) moneymaking for the same ol' people http://www.mercola.com/2005/oct/25/avian_flu_epidemic_is_a_hoax.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bird Flu, was: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/31/05 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. You don't think the bird flu thing is a real threat? Rumsfeld To Profit From Avian Flu Hoax Finally, the pieces of the puzzle start to add up. Last week, President Bush sought to instill panic in this country by telling us a minimum of 200,000 people will die from the avian flu pandemic but it could be as bad as 2 million deaths in this country alone. This hoax is then used to justify the immediate purchase of 80 million doses of Tamiflu, a worthless drug that in no way shape or form treats the avian flu, but only decreases the amount of days one is sick and can actually contribute to the virus having more lethal mutations. So the U.S. placed an order for 20 million doses of this worthless drug at a price of $100 per dose. That comes to a staggering $2 billion. We are being told that Roche manufactures Tamiflu and, in yesterday's New York Times, they were battling whether or not they would allow generic drug companies to help increase their production. But if you dig further you will find that a drug was actually developed by a company called Gilead that 10 years ago gave Roche the exclusive rights to market and sell Tamiflu. Ahh, The Plot Thickens... If you read the link below from Gilead, you'll discover Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was made the chairman of Gilead in 1997. Since Rumsfeld holds major portions of stock in Gilead, he will handsomely profit from the scare tactics of the government that is being used to justify the purchase of $2 billion of Tamiflu. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Hey, Ron, Do me a favor
don't spam us, we are not a dump. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: forwarded message attached. Hey Ron, Please post this message to all Lists. Jason ---OriginalMessage-- Deepavali - the Festival of Lights India is a land of festivals where you will see at least one major festival each month. Deepavali (or Diwali) which literally means rows of lamps is one of the four main festivals of India. Throughout the world all Hindus celebrate Deepavali or Diwali with great pomp and enthusiasm. The celebration of Diwali lasts six days, beginning on the 12th day of the month of Kartik (as per the North Indian lunar calendar). The day before Diwali, in order to evoke the grace of God, women fast. It is not that God wants you to go hungry or takes pleasure in your suffering - the principle is that you gain only by giving up. That evening, devotees worship Gomata (the cow) and her calf and feed them special food. Women pray for the welfare of the entire family. This holy day is called Vasubaras. The first official day of Diwali falls on the 13th of Kartik. People set about cleaning houses and shops, and decorating doorsteps and courtyards with rangoli or multi-coloured designs. They purchase gold ornaments, new vessels, clothes, and other such items. Devotees arise early in the morning before sunrise and take oil baths. If possible, they wear new clothes. In the evening, people worship coins representing wealth. Houses and courtyards glow from the lights, and families decorate with lanterns. This day of celebration is called Dhantrayodashi or Dhanteras. The second day is called Naraka Chaturdashi. People take an oil bath in the early morning and then in the night they light lamps and burn firecrackers. People visit their relatives and friends, exchanging love and sweets. On the third day, people worship Lakshmi, the Goddess of wealth. People decorate their houses with lit lamps and lanterns to welcome Lakshmi to their home and hearts. On this day businessmen close old accounts and open new accounts. The earth is lit up by lamps and the skies are coloured by the multi-hued lights of fireworks. In North India, the Govardhana Puja occurs on the fourth day of Diwali. Devotees in the North build hillocks made of cow dung, symbolising Govardhana, and decorate and worship them. North Indians observe this day as Annakoot, or the mountain of food. The fifth day of the festival called Bhaiyya Dooj celebrates unique and fun customs. Every man dines in his sister's house, and, in return, presents her with gifts. North India calls it Yama Dwitiya. Thousands of brothers and sisters join hands and have a sacred bath in the river Yamuna. The Legends Dhanteras The scriptures mention the divinity called Dhanvantari emerging from the churning of the ocean with a kalash (pot) filled with Amrit (ambrosia). Due to the fact that Dhanvantari, who revealed the science of Ayurveda to the world, first manifested on this day, all over India, doctors following the Ayurvedic system of medicine organise joyful celebrations of the annual Dhanvantari festival. Naraka Chaturdashi There is a legend about a king of Prag-Jyotishpur, named Narakasura. He was a powerful king who misused power to harass his subjects. Sri Krishna destroyed this oppressive asura king on this day. Unjustly imprisoned people celebrated their freedom with friends and family. The citizens celebrated deliverance from Narkasura's reign by lighting lamps. Sri Rama Deepavali falls on a no-moon day - in fact the darkest day of the year. The illuminations and fireworks, joy and festivities, are to signify the victory of divine forces over the powers of darkness. On Deepavali day, triumphant Sri Rama is said to have returned to Ayodhya after defeating Ravana, the asura king of Lanka. Goddess Lakshmi Devi The Puranas say that it was on this day that Goddess Lakshmi, who emerged from the churning of the ocean of milk, married Lord Vishnu, the repository of all divine qualities. Govardhana Puja In order to shelter the gopis and gopas and their cows from the torrential rains sent by Indra, Krishna lifted a hill near Mathura called Govardhana with his finger and sheltered all the people for a period of seven days under it. By then Indra saw Krishna's greatness and asked him for forgiveness. Bhaiyya Dooj The river Yamuna and Yama the God of Death were brother and sister. As they grew up they went their different ways. On this day Yama supposedly visited his sister Yamuna, who in her joy at seeing her brother after such a long interlude set up a feast for him. Pleased, Yama granted her a boon. He declared that every man that receives a
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Maharishi's Comments on Mahalakshmi
All boiled down to everything is everywhere or is that everywhere is everything --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- The following is reported to be Maharishi's beautiful comments on Mahalakshmi ... very timely for this auspicious occasion... HAPPY MAHALAKSHMI PUJA -- DIPAVALI - DIWALI ! = ... Maha Lakshmi ... the first syllable is Maha. Maha, great. And this great in the context of education is the characteristic of consciousness. This Maha is the goal of anyone who is not yet Maha. So, Maha goal is the meaning of the word Laksha... Laksha means the goal (Maha means unbounded, infinite, immortal, eternal, Brahm, Totality, whole). Maha is the goal of that which is not Maha. The goal of Maha is to swing in his greatness. It should be a living reality. That the unbounded does not remain only silent. But in that silence, there should be lively all possibilities. So, the Laksha, the goal, the goal of Maha is to have many in its unified wholeness. And the goal of that what is not Maha, the goal of small is to be big and the goal of big is to swing in its own expressions. Infinity wants to flow from one end of infinity to the other end of infinity and it's flowing, it divides itself, it quantifies itself, it qualifies itself. So it is the qualification which makes one look to the goal. Small wants to qualify itself into as big as possible. The big wants to qualify itself as the field of all possibilities from this end to that end. Maha is a goal and MI is a very, very significant word which is made of two values, MA and I. When we look to MA, naturally it is me, the first to the self, ME, even in English me, but in the Vedic terminology MI we understand as total value of all four Vedas. MA, what MA is, it's the HUM, Hummm. Agnim-m-m. Rig, Yajur, Sama, Atharva. Then Atharva is a Hum. Hum of all the four Vedas... Agni, it s a collapse of all the progression of all the Vedas into a Hum. Hum means the total values of all sounds; all sounds are inherent in Hum. And in that Hum which is focused on a point, that reality of the point is then transformed into dynamism, which is represented by I. So, Maha Lakshmi this is the total Veda, concentrated into the Hum and made dynamism. Here is concentration at a point, which then in its nature is all dynamism. So, in the word Maha Lakshmi we have that enormous, unbounded, total, infinite, eternal immortality expressed in all the Vedas and found located in a point. And then expanding a point in infinity, and dynamism again into Maha. So, here is the total expression of the Veda, total expression of pure knowledge. Along with its infinite organising power in one point concentrating and expanding. This point value, this is Maha Lakshmi... So, the element of Maha Lakshmi is a composite of two values of opposite directions. Focal point and expanding in its nature, this is called Anyonyabhava. It has two kinds of directions, coming in, expanding and going out... So, the Laksha, the goal of expanding value is to concentrate. The goal of concentrated value is to expand. And here is the seed of Maha. This is Maha Lakshmi, at the point, which is both, expansion and contraction, infinite potential of the expansion element we could see along with infinite expansion of contraction element. That means no matter where the situation is, there is all possibility, no matter at what level we are considering or at any level of contraction or at any level of expansion, here or here, at any level is Maha Lakshmi. There is a field of all possibilities and the field of all possibilities in each cell is a concentrated point of silence within the quality of infinite dynamism. Silence and dynamism, that means completely fulfilled of wakefulness. Completely fulfilled because it is not devoid of anything. Infinite silence concentrated, infinite dynamism concentrated and therefore it is eternal state of fulfilment. It is a fulfilment of eternal value. Fulfilment of immortal value because there is a field of all possibilities and in this field of all possibilities is the element of fulfilment, infinite bliss. Infinite bliss is a quality of fulfilment and fulfilment the quality of lack of lack. Devoid of nothingness. It is all fullness, completely fulfilled, self-sufficient infinity, eternity, capable of flowing in terms of waves, modified, qualified and still remaining unqualified at all time. Unqualified qualified fulfilment, that means it is unmanifest total potential of all qualifications that may be thought or desired. Maha Lakshmi is an element of all possibilities, completely self-sufficient at any time, and any place. It is the total potential of all possibilities. In the expression of prosperity, the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My recollection at this point is somewhat vague, Is this your Scooter Libby defense? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you part of a genetically engineered food experiment?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Food for thought: http://www.thecampaign.org/krafted/index.html People should also be aware that Bocaburger is a division of Kraft. So, for those of you who think soybeans cooked in a factory at high temperature in hydrochloric acid are a health food, you might consider switching to a brand that has a more responsible corporate parent. Alex Alex Any recommendations? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I beg your pardon? When did I ever suggest I was enlightened? Then why so adamant about your position on the topic? (Further comments on Peter and Irmeli appear below). After years of delving into these topics myself, I have come to a conclusion - if the important truths involved in the various levels of realization are so ineffable that the human intellect cannot grasp them, then any concepts that we may have acquired via reading from Maharishi's commentary on the Gita or from Ramana Maharishi or etc. are limited in value in a discussion between people who do not share the same concepts. The concepts themselves were presumably, in their original intent, imperfect attempts by realized individuals to explain ineffable truths to others, or at least, to help others to come to the same ineffable realizations themselves. If, in addition, the concepts have a venerable tradition enshrined by religious authority, then they may have devolved over time to take into account the understandings of some who have not also had the ineffable realizations themselves. For these reasons, what I look for in any discussion of this kind are candid expressions of personal experience (I put personal in quotes for the sake of those that would have it that there is no I to have them). I sometimes read such expressions from Irmeli, Peter, and others. They can be refreshing in their honest, yet apparently contradictory nature. I suspect some truth coming from each of these parties. And the contradictions do not bother me. After all, ultimate truth is said to contain all opposites. Irmeli wrote in response to Peter: Clearly it is futile to discuss these issues with you. With my waking state reality I just cannot comprehend you. Such a shame - you each have so much to contribute. BTW, there may be a problem with the term waking state here. Irmeli appears to be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in when it arises from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. Peter appears to be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in before a certain level of realization in the field of universal consciousness. After this, the body/mind still arises from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. anonX Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
Reply below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I beg your pardon? When did I ever suggest I was enlightened? Then why so adamant about your position on the topic? (Further comments on Peter and Irmeli appear below). After years of delving into these topics myself, I have come to a conclusion - if the important truths involved in the various levels of realization are so ineffable that the human intellect cannot grasp them, then any concepts that we may have acquired via reading from Maharishi's commentary on the Gita or from Ramana Maharishi or etc. are limited in value in a discussion between people who do not share the same concepts. True. It is a strange thing to attempt to communicate the subjective experience of enlightenment or realization or Brahman, because it is only from the state of enlightenment or realization or Brahman that a person can surely go, 'Aha!', and see the similarity in all of the descriptions of such a state. On the other hand, perhaps it remains useful to continue the attempt at communicating such a state in general, because if we trace our link from the senses to the intellect to the Atman or localized Self within us, whether we are aware of our Atman or not, there is a recognition, even among the unenlightened, of some element of truth within the words of those who attempt to explain or convey their subjective experience of enlightenment, and therefore a possible signpost or indicator for our personal experience, that we may use to strengthen our desire for enlightenment, and hence move closer to the goal. I think you are agreeing with me here. The remainder of my post, which you snipped, reflected on the refreshing value of personal expressions of personal experience. :D Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Subject:* TM Introduction Dr. Director of the TM Peace Palace Project: [BIG SNIP] Why doesn't he just tell her it is about $40 a month over 5 years, or about $20 a month over 10 years. She probably spends more than that on cafe-lattes and Japanese dine outs each month. Some seeker. When I was a seeker I was ready to give up everything at great risk to myself and to my future finance, and go to India with nothing. Those were the days of the true seekers. Now everyone wants it for the price of a Cafe-Grande. Sad days indeed. OffWorld On the other hand, does the world really need the peace palaces? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I beg your pardon? When did I ever suggest I was enlightened? Then why so adamant about your position on the topic? The topic of how difficult it is to discuss enlightenment in relative terms, you mean? One doesn't have to be enlightened to have a sense of where the intellect leaves off and what it can't do. *** No. The topic of what enlightenment is. It's attributes. For example (only), whether or not the enlightened brahmin sees differences between a brahmin, a cow, etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I beg your pardon? When did I ever suggest I was enlightened? Then why so adamant about your position on the topic? The topic of how difficult it is to discuss enlightenment in relative terms, you mean? One doesn't have to be enlightened to have a sense of where the intellect leaves off and what it can't do. *** No. The topic of what enlightenment is. It's attributes. For example (only), whether or not the enlightened brahmin sees differences between a brahmin, a cow, etc. Jeez. That was me *quoting Maharishi*. I don't have to be enlightened to quote MMY, do I? *** Not at all. Not really meaning to get on your case. You did a good job of quoting MMY. And not to pick on you in particular. I just get a sense sometimes when reading threads such as this one that some people are living too much in their conceptual worlds about what enlightenment is supposed to be about based on formulaic expressions coming from a variety of sources, be they MMY or Buddhist teachings or what not. Having done that for many years, I am very familiar with it. MMY's teachings were always home base. And I presumed them to be impeccable and the final word. Even though the topic was supposedly ineffable, it never occurred to me that memorizing a huge conceptual structure and ever learning more fine points of knowledge had very little to do with the actual business of progressing on a path or of recognizing one's own experiences for what they actually are. Sometimes, I would venture out of the MMY home base and study some other teachings as an inspirational conceptual exercise. It was natural to try to understand other systems of knowledge in the light of SCI as MMY taught us to do. Eventually, I learned to understand other conceptual frameworks in their own light, and began to feel that MMY's words may not always be impeccable and the final word. And some time later, I became much more interested in my own growing experience of what's really going on here (meaning, in the realm of consciousness) than in what MMY might have said about it once. And along with that, I am thrilled and inspired to hear about the growing experiences of others, in their own, authentic words, not in the words of some conceptual structure originating outside of their own experiences. So I just want to encourage that kind of interchange. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment..
--- brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Reading your words and most others on their proclamations betrays the level of so called enlightenment. Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened, he would feel the need to tell others? What other exists in enlightenment? If enlightenment is egoless, then what drives this need? Are you speaking from personal experience? or from your understanding of what the behavior of enlightened people looks like? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction
--- off_world_beings wrote: Why doesn't he just tell her it is about $40 a month over 5 years, or about $20 a month over 10 years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or why doesn't he tell her that if she quits after her first year, it'll only cost her $3.42 a meditation? Or about 20 cents a minute. Or just pennies per repetition of the mantra! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's your point, it's a bit odd that you were including me at all, since I was arguing that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is. How do you know this Judy? Some people who claim to be enlightened, or appear to have a lot of wisdom say that this is true. When they say it, it never appears to be an argument for them, simply an innocent statement about how they experience, or an expression of frustration about communicating their experience. Is it a valid thing to *argue* that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is from the point of view of one who is not enlightened? Does this not imply a strong adherence to a belief rather than a statement of fact? I've said here and on alt.m.t a number of times that when you take any of MMY's teachings, or any authentic intellectual teaching about consciousness, and take it right down to the nitty-gritty, you end up in contradiction or infinite regress, which is what Self-reference looks like to the mistaken intellect. I quoted MMY as an example of that. And yes, what I just expressed is a concept, but it's a concept about the nature of the limits of the intellect, not about enlightenment per se. These words have a coherent meaning. But they seem to side step the questions that I posed above. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 10:44 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. Hard to say. I don't think M often does things like that. He usually just lets them get on board or not. Well, word has it that M personally called one x-MUM faculty member (who had been dismissed by Bevan, probably for insubordination) and asked him to take the recertification course and take on certain projects in China afterward. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
see comments below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter seems to be talking about something else. He has explained waking state and enlightenment to be two different things I have earlier asked him how he on daily basis manages to alternate between waking state and enlightenment? But I have got no answer. Also many times earlier when I have commented on his no I posts he has not bothered to respond to me. There two reasons why I tend not to take these discussions too far with you. We are coming from two very different conceptual systems. I try to stick to MMY's model of the 7 states. I'm not sure what conceptual model you are coming from. You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. Peter, Regarding your stick(ing) to MMY's model of the 7 states - I understand how this point relates to the confusion that Irmeli has with your use of the term waking state, since she is using the common meaning of that term, while you are using MMY's meaning. But I don't understand how statements from you, variously worded, to the effect that there is absolutely no I have their roots in MMY's 7 states model. MMY always talks about the Self, about Self- Realization. I believe that the word self and the word I have similar connotations in the English language. Granted, that he is speaking of a universal Self, but the choice of words has some significance, does it not? Contrast that with the Buddhists, who claim that there is no ultimate Self. On FFL, you have described your personal experience about this - what happened one day years ago on your way out of the dome. You have stated that you went back to MMY's commentary on the Gita and found that his descriptions of CC matched your experience very well. So it may very well be that your experience, which you describe as no I is well supported by descriptions from MMY which are not at all couched in the terminology of no I. If I am right, then I think you should be more careful in stating that you are using MMY's 7 states model when you use terms such as no I, even though you found confirmation for your experience in MMY's own words. How did this phrase no I enter into your vocabulary? Was it what spontaneously arose in your mind as an understanding of your own experience? Or was it something you picked up from Ramana Maharishi, Nisargadatta, Suzanne Siegal, or Bernadette Roberts? Or did you come across the confirming language sets of these people after you had already determined that no I was what had happened to you? In any case, don't you think that the language that you are using represents a hybrid of MMY's 7 states model and the model(s) of one or more of the people I mentioned above? :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
see comments below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: meli Irmeli wrote in response to Peter: Clearly it is futile to discuss these issues with you. With my waking state reality I just cannot comprehend you. Such a shame - you each have so much to contribute. BTW, there may be a problem with the term waking state here. Irmeli appears to be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in when it arises from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. Peter appears to be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in before a certain level of realization in the field of universal consciousness. After this, the body/mind still arises from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. anonX I understand enlightenment to be a prevalent waking state awareness. It depends on how we define enlightenment, what attributes this enlightened awareness has. This has been my conceptual basic assumption. I have stated this in many posts earlier. Peter seems to be talking about something else. He has explained waking state and enlightenment to be two different things I have earlier asked him how he on daily basis manages to alternate between waking state and enlightenment? But I have got no answer. Also many times earlier when I have commented on his no I posts he has not bothered to respond to me. I have had very easy to relate to Ken Wilber's thinking and descriptions and conceptual way of expressing himself from the very first moment I encountered his writings a few years ago. I mean I can in his descriptions recognize my own subjective reality, but not in Peter's descriptions. I just read from the newest issue of What is Enlightenment from the Ken Wilber and Andrew Cohen Dialogue a very good description that pretty well describes my own conscious inner reality. Quote: Wilber: Moment to moment there is this ever-present is-ness, and yet as soon as you locate yourself in it, there is an `I'. Cohen: Yes. The minute you locate yourself, the whole world appears. Wilber: Exactly. As soon as there is an `I', there is an it or an object, and then there is a `we'; there is some resonance with some other subjectivity someplace. Wilber explains also a little bit further in the text: When you are in a causal, or nondual, open-eyes, ever-present, non-effort state, an I arises that is an authentic self. I hope this helps to clarify, what I have been trying to communicate. Irmeli Thank you Irmeli for your response. I have read a number of posts from you since you first joined FFL. However, I go through long periods of not reading FFL, so I am sure that I have missed many of your contributions. On the topic of waking state I think it is worthwhile to understand that Peter uses that as a kind of jargon, or shorthand for pre-enlightened state. I suggest that, when reading what he has to say, you make the substitution. Then you will not confuse your understanding of waking state (which is the more common usage) with his (which is Maharishi's usage). If you follow this suggestion, you will have a new interpretation of the conversations you have with him. For example, you wrote: He has explained waking state and enlightenment to be two different things I have earlier asked him how he on daily basis manages to alternate between waking state and enlightenment? His part of this would translate as: He has explained that the pre-enlightened state and enlightenment are two different things. Then you would see that your question which followed isn't actually addressing what he had to say. Once getting past the confusion of terminology, it starts to get interesting to see the similarities and differences in how each of you define enlightenment. Regarding the no I concept, if you have an interest to understand it better, there are some very articulate attempts to describe this experience, coming from people who had no predisposition to expect it, based on their own traditions. These have been mentioned before on FFL: Collision With the Infinite, by Suzanne Siegal The Experience of No-Self, by Bernadette Roberts In the latter, there a thorough attempt to define what is meant by self. Such a definition is often missing from discussions of no- self, no-ego etc. Other writings by Bernadette Roberts go into this more thoroughly, such as the book What is Self?. I mention this because you seem to have a curious mind, willing to entertain notions outside of your own. You may find it worthwhile to explore these authors. I don't know if this will make any difference to your and Peter's ongoing failure to communicate with each other, even though you intend to. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
comments below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's your point, it's a bit odd that you were including me at all, since I was arguing that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is. How do you know this Judy? Some people who claim to be enlightened, or appear to have a lot of wisdom say that this is true. When they say it, it never appears to be an argument for them, simply an innocent statement about how they experience, or an expression of frustration about communicating their experience. Is it a valid thing to *argue* that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is from the point of view of one who is not enlightened? Does this not imply a strong adherence to a belief rather than a statement of fact? No, it's a logical deduction, as I went on to explain: I've said here and on alt.m.t a number of times that when you take any of MMY's teachings, or any authentic intellectual teaching about consciousness, and take it right down to the nitty-gritty, you end up in contradiction or infinite regress, which is what Self-reference looks like to the mistaken intellect. I quoted MMY as an example of that. And yes, what I just expressed is a concept, but it's a concept about the nature of the limits of the intellect, not about enlightenment per se. These words have a coherent meaning. But they seem to side step the questions that I posed above. I suggest you think again. Hint: I'm using Self-reference as a sort of synonym for the nature of enlightenment because MMY has indicated that's its nature. You could just substitute enlightenment for Self-reference if you like, although it isn't really necessary. Actually, thinking seems to be the problem here. I've been hoping that you could step back a moment from your ordinary self and maybe chuckle a bit about how in your head you can be. In any case, it's been fun sparring with you, though I had no such intention. Please feel free to have the last word on this. It's been fun. :D Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines. Do you have some names on well known standard companies, making Ayurvedic Medicines? Ingegerd Hi Ingegerd I was in the ayurvedic business before the TM org got involved and, in fact, got told to stop by the TM org. The two very best companies I know of are as follows: Here are two of the better ones: 1) Bazaar of India (http://www.bazaarofindia.com/)of Berkeley, CA They are known for their high quality raw (powdered) herbs, all of which are organically grown. They were initially the main supplier to MAV when the whole ayurvedic aspect of the TM org started 2) Banyan Botanicals (http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/) These are both excellent companies. Banyan makes more formulas than Bazaar of India, but B of I also makes formulas in addition to raw herbs. Ken Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines. Do you have some names on well known standard companies, making Ayurvedic Medicines? Ingegerd Here's one other, Dr. Vasant Ladd's Ayurvedic Institute sells high quaility av products. http://www.ayurvedicinstitute.com/products/index.html ken Hi Ingegerd I was in the ayurvedic business before the TM org got involved and, in fact, got told to stop by the TM org. The two very best companies I know of are as follows: Here are two of the better ones: 1) Bazaar of India (http://www.bazaarofindia.com/)of Berkeley, CA They are known for their high quality raw (powdered) herbs, all of which are organically grown. They were initially the main supplier to MAV when the whole ayurvedic aspect of the TM org started 2) Banyan Botanicals (http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/) These are both excellent companies. Banyan makes more formulas than Bazaar of India, but B of I also makes formulas in addition to raw herbs. Ken Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] water cure
Yo group Anyone here read and followed the water cure program of F. Batmanghelidj, MD? I'd be interested to know your experiences. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FWD Mother Meera to Visit America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Late breaking news: FWD: Mother Meera in America U.S.A. and Canada: May 19-June 12, 2006 Contact information: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to express interest in Mother Meera's darshan and to be put on the email list for early notification of Mother's exact itinerary and reservation details. Or phone 641 472 5149 Doug, how can I get this email address? anon3 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FWD Mother Meera to Visit America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact information: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to express interest in Mother Meera's darshan and to be put on the email list for early notification of Mother's exact itinerary and reservation details. Or phone 641 472 5149 Doug, how can I get this email address? It's mother (at) iglide.net Thanks Rick! Looks like someone in FF is organizing this. Go Fairfield!! anon3 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] ayurveda (was Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India)
Hi Jason It's easy to sit in judgement many years later but like Dr. Pete said in an earlier reply, it was a different time back in that era, the early 80s, life in Fairfield was very campus-centric, the daily numbers in the domes were in the mid 1500s and up, many of us were doing 2 x 2 in the domes daily, the MIU campus was a vital, active place and very few to nearly none were in active revolt against the TM organization. Nothing about life in FF at that time indicated what was to come. My ayurvedic products business was successful at it's own level which included the Purushnicks and the Mother Diviners who were, I believe, in Puerto Rico at that time. We had made great inroads into several other spiritual organizations, particularly Yogi Bhajan's 3HO org. and had a thriving mail order business. At that time I no more thought of defying Maharishi. Knowing that the TM organization had, essentially, unlimited financial resources behind them made my partner and I realize we could not compete at the level things were going to rise to. That and the fact that back then the words, Maharishi says.. were very meaningful to most and if he said to buy Maharishi Ayurvedic products, that's what everyone was going to do. Kenny H. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps, telling the TM-org all details of your business was a mistake. Aurobindo ashram in Auroville in india is having a research centre on Organic-farming and organic- pesticides. What will the TM-org think of this.?? Rivals.?? Try to beat them out of the market.?? I was thinking of introducing them to TM-org, but thank God you warned me. It is still not too late, You can restart your business. ---OriginalMessage-- From: anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:20:06 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] ayurveda (was Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India) We had a good relationship with the powers to be of the TM org. We maintained regular contact with the Office of the President who knew exactly what it was we were doing as we told him very explicity. Of course we could have continued, and in retrospect I'm sure I would have done things differently. But my parnter and I chose to stop. - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: REGARDING PANCHAKARMA AND OTHER TREATMENTS AT THE CLINIC IN NEW DELHI
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/6/05 2:07 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Who is/was Peter Russell? http://www.peterussell.com/ Click on the Books link get a clearer idea of what he's about than that horrendously ugly mess of a iagram on the home page gives you. Why on earth hasn't somebody told him to get rid of it?? Perhaps the fact the he is dead precludes his making a comment or change on his website. Just a thought! He wrote an excellent intro book on TM back when he was with the movement, but it wasn't movement-endorsed. The book page calls it A skeptic's guide, but I don't remember it as being all *that* skeptical. He certainly recommended TM. Had very good, clear explanations of MMY's basic theories of consciousness, as I recall. I read it many, many years ago. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: REGARDING PANCHAKARMA AND OTHER TREATMENTS AT THE CLINIC IN NEW DELHI
ooopsy, maybe I'm wrong, I thought I read somewhere that Peter Russell died in the recent past of AIDS or some such thing. Maybe I'm wrong. Someone who knows please straighten this out. kh --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/6/05 2:07 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Who is/was Peter Russell? http://www.peterussell.com/ Click on the Books link get a clearer idea of what he's about than that horrendously ugly mess of a iagram on the home page gives you. Why on earth hasn't somebody told him to get rid of it?? Perhaps the fact the he is dead precludes his making a comment or change on his website. Just a thought! He wrote an excellent intro book on TM back when he was with the movement, but it wasn't movement-endorsed. The book page calls it A skeptic's guide, but I don't remember it as being all *that* skeptical. He certainly recommended TM. Had very good, clear explanations of MMY's basic theories of consciousness, as I recall. I read it many, many years ago. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama's B-Day
Rick's Friend When you ran the computer prog you wrote to search back for the date of Rama's birthdate, what did the program search back in? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine writes: Hi Rick, Many years ago I decided to try and find the birthdate of Rama, since we have a handy record of the planetary setup at the time. I wrote a computer prog to search back. This was before I had a PC, so it ran on a 6502 machine running at 2 MHz! I set it running all night and it got back about 22,000 years with no matches. Everything was pretty hot and I decided the algorithms were probably not accurate that far back. I never wrote a PC version. Do you know if anyone else has done it and come up with a date? Regards -- Anyone know? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: REGARDING PANCHAKARMA AND OTHER TREATMENTS AT THE CLINIC IN NEW DELHI
When I was back in FF a few years ago for a year, I saw and interacted a bunch with Candace, an old friend from the first year of MIU in FF, and she is funny as always. One day at lunch in town, Rodgers finally made her calm down as her riffing with me was insistent and aggressive. Candace found herself a riot and we all wanted her to stop! KH --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every see Rodgers wife, Candace around or her sister Lindsey? --- pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good results sure I would get them too at any PK clinic after 23 days but I have to say the people I know that have gone with illness or weight issues or bone density or Parkinsons feel better but no real cure so to speak of but hey if they feel better I say go for it. Personally I could not make that trip and would sick just from that alone and would be very concerned about India as I am delicate so guess it all depends on how you feel about doing PK in India. As far as Raju and prices guess for most it is still cheaper than USA and if MMY has not figured that out yet or his TMO puppets then they will soon learn as the Raj is going downhill and fast. It still have people come a girl was just there from France for 21 days a young wealthy girl that Rodgers sucked up to as usual. Guess he is back for a bit. I was over there for lunch and got the scoop. Food was not great but PK meal is good. They had 5 that week and claimed to have 12 the week before but I hear in general that enrollment is consistently low and Jean Tobin does not manage will. Ofcourse her hands are probably tied with the TMO but whatever. It is only a matter of time before that closes the lower school and MUM. They cant go pass another few years. The school especially as the Frist and Second graders are now few to nil and the 3 and 4 are combined and next year 3 classes will combine and they could not accept fist and second graders if they are not enough. guess that will all be dealt with late next summer as the TMO always just does these last minute stunts. the U had let more staff professors go and on and on it just cant go on like this for long. Maybe this year the power costs will get the Univ. Recall when they were asking for hand outs to pay their Alliant bill or be shut down just a few years ago. on 11/6/05 4:56 PM, pibssmith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cant believe Raju would give money to the TMO and sell out like that? Some folks are there now Tina Mc cant recall use to be Hawthorne, McQuiston Bob and Carol Markowitz and Doug Wingate Also Pat Draznin so guess we will hear when they arrive back. That will really stop people from going if he is giving MMY money and raising his prices. That already happened a long time ago. It didn't stop people from going. That was the whole point and if there is any question with the herbs. I know of friend of mine had her herbs tested for heavy metals when she got back before taking them to be sure. Personally I could never make that trip but 23 days of PK any where would make you look and feel good. Raju's brother runs a clinic down in Hyderabad that some friends of mine have gone to with good results. It's not as cushy, but they say the treatments and benefits are good. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Interview and 3-day forms
Hello All Is there anyone here who has clean copies of the Interview form and the forms for the 3 days. I would like to get a set. Please e-mail me at indexman AT gmail DOT com. Thank you!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: REGARDING PANCHAKARMA AND OTHER TREATMENTS AT THE CLINIC IN NEW DELHI
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [SNIP] Some folks are there now Tina Mc cant recall use to be Hawthorne Do you mean Tina Hawthorne, married (or perhaps unmarried) to Tim Hawthorne, the video guy in Fairfield? Yes. They divorced and Tim remarried years ago. Who did Tim remarry? Laia Schatzel, a highschool girlfriend, I believe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: REGARDING PANCHAKARMA AND OTHER TREATMENTS AT THE CLINIC IN NEW DELHI
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Candace is quite the chick isn't she? We were really good friends back in the day. Have you ever met her crazy mom? Never met her, and never got friendly with her sister, Lindsey. Is Lindsey as energetic and funny as Candace? She always seems so sedate when I've seen her. k --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was back in FF a few years ago for a year, I saw and interacted a bunch with Candace, an old friend from the first year of MIU in FF, and she is funny as always. One day at lunch in town, Rodgers finally made her calm down as her riffing with me was insistent and aggressive. Candace found herself a riot and we all wanted her to stop! KH --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every see Rodgers wife, Candace around or her sister Lindsey? --- pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good results sure I would get them too at any PK clinic after 23 days but I have to say the people I know that have gone with illness or weight issues or bone density or Parkinsons feel better but no real cure so to speak of but hey if they feel better I say go for it. Personally I could not make that trip and would sick just from that alone and would be very concerned about India as I am delicate so guess it all depends on how you feel about doing PK in India. As far as Raju and prices guess for most it is still cheaper than USA and if MMY has not figured that out yet or his TMO puppets then they will soon learn as the Raj is going downhill and fast. It still have people come a girl was just there from France for 21 days a young wealthy girl that Rodgers sucked up to as usual. Guess he is back for a bit. I was over there for lunch and got the scoop. Food was not great but PK meal is good. They had 5 that week and claimed to have 12 the week before but I hear in general that enrollment is consistently low and Jean Tobin does not manage will. Ofcourse her hands are probably tied with the TMO but whatever. It is only a matter of time before that closes the lower school and MUM. They cant go pass another few years. The school especially as the Frist and Second graders are now few to nil and the 3 and 4 are combined and next year 3 classes will combine and they could not accept fist and second graders if they are not enough. guess that will all be dealt with late next summer as the TMO always just does these last minute stunts. the U had let more staff professors go and on and on it just cant go on like this for long. Maybe this year the power costs will get the Univ. Recall when they were asking for hand outs to pay their Alliant bill or be shut down just a few years ago. on 11/6/05 4:56 PM, pibssmith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cant believe Raju would give money to the TMO and sell out like that? Some folks are there now Tina Mc cant recall use to be Hawthorne, McQuiston Bob and Carol Markowitz and Doug Wingate Also Pat Draznin so guess we will hear when they arrive back. That will really stop people from going if he is giving MMY money and raising his prices. That already happened a long time ago. It didn't stop people from going. That was the whole point and if there is any question with the herbs. I know of friend of mine had her herbs tested for heavy metals when she got back before taking them to be sure. Personally I could never make that trip but 23 days of PK any where would make you look and feel good. Raju's brother runs a clinic down in Hyderabad that some friends of mine have gone to with good results. It's not as cushy, but they say the treatments and benefits are good. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http
[FairfieldLife] will this hopefully help turn the tide?
US Forces 'Used Chemical Weapons' During Assault on City of Fallujah by Peter Popham Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon. Ever since the assault, which went unreported by any Western journalists, rumors have swirled that the Americans used chemical weapons on the city. On 10 November last year, the Islam Online website wrote: US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in its large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988. The website quoted insurgent sources as saying: The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally banned chemical weapons. In December the US government formally denied the reports, describing them as widespread myths. Some news accounts have claimed that US forces have used 'outlawed' phosphorus shells in Fallujah, the USinfo website said. Phosphorus shells are not outlawed. US forces have used them very sparingly in Fallujah, for illumination purposes. They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters. But now new information has surfaced, including hideous photographs and videos and interviews with American soldiers who took part in the Fallujah attack, which provides graphic proof that phosphorus shells were widely deployed in the city as a weapon. In a documentary to be broadcast by RAI, the Italian state broadcaster, this morning, a former American soldier who fought at Fallujah says: I heard the order to pay attention because they were going to use white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military jargon it's known as Willy Pete. Phosphorus burns bodies, in fact it melts the flesh all the way down to the bone ... I saw the burned bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud. Anyone within a radius of 150 meters is done for. Photographs on the website of RaiTG24, the broadcaster's 24-hours news channel, www.rainews24.it, show exactly what the former soldier means. Provided by the Studies Centre of Human Rights in Fallujah, dozens of high-quality, colour close-ups show bodies of Fallujah residents, some still in their beds, whose clothes remain largely intact but whose skin has been dissolved or caramelised or turned the consistency of leather by the shells. A biologist in Fallujah, Mohamad Tareq, interviewed for the film, says: A rain of fire fell on the city, the people struck by this multi-coloured substance started to burn, we found people dead with strange wounds, the bodies burned but the clothes intact. The documentary, entitled Fallujah: the Hidden Massacre, also provides what it claims is clinching evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77, a new, improved form of napalm, was used in the attack on Fallujah, in breach of the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons of 1980, which only allows its use against military targets. Meanwhile, five US soldiers from the elite 75th Ranger Regiment have been charged with kicking and punching detainees in Iraq. The news came as a suicide car bomber killed four American soldiers at a checkpoint south of Baghdad yesterday. © 2005 Independent News Media (UK) Ltd. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Malloy's reelection
Fairfield Residents I notice that Ed got 800+ votes. This seems like a very small number of people voting. Knowing it is a small town, is the number of voters so low because it was an incumbent ru or before we started entering local politics was the number of locals voting strictly for locals much higher. KH --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's not just poor pundits who can't get to MUM's Fairfield campus: http://www.mum.edu/TheReview 9Nov2005 Students in the accounting program are admitted twice a year. Ms. Sutherland said that it's a challenge for international students to get visas for new programs, and that now that the various embassies are more familiar with these two new programs, it is likely that the rate of visa approvals will rise. Both programs had dozens of highly qualified applicants whose visas were denied. As with the Computer Professionals Program, the students will spend 6 to 10 months on campus and then will be placed in paid internships around the country. They will finish their degrees via distance education over a period of up to two years. Money earned in their internship positions supports them while repaying student loans. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Malloy's reelection
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did find it interesting that neither of Malloy's kids opted to attend MUM: He has been married to his wife, Vicki, for 23 years. Their daughter, Kelli, is an interior design student in Los Angeles, and their son, Justin, attends Whitter College in California. Perhaps the fact that Justin was a pothead had something to do with it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's not just poor pundits who can't get to MUM's Fairfield campus: http://www.mum.edu/TheReview 9Nov2005 Students in the accounting program are admitted twice a year. Ms. Sutherland said that it's a challenge for international students to get visas for new programs, and that now that the various embassies are more familiar with these two new programs, it is likely that the rate of visa approvals will rise. Both programs had dozens of highly qualified applicants whose visas were denied. As with the Computer Professionals Program, the students will spend 6 to 10 months on campus and then will be placed in paid internships around the country. They will finish their degrees via distance education over a period of up to two years. Money earned in their internship positions supports them while repaying student loans. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] eating meat/ostrich anyone?
After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small frame. So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. After much research I discovered the buffalo meat is far more nutritious than plain beef and found a great source (Whole Foods) for very high quality bison meat. Today is day one, I had a small amount this morning and just had a small pieced of skinless chicken for lunch and the chicken was from free range chickens. I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. Also, has anyone tried ostrich? I saw that for sale at Whole Foods. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/10/05 3:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. Have you tried using a mirror? This may be a bit over my puny head (in comparison to my abdomen) but do you mean that the end will be in sight because there I'll be, right in front of myself and that will be the end? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/10/05 4:04 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/10/05 3:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. Have you tried using a mirror? This may be a bit over my puny head (in comparison to my abdomen) but do you mean that the end will be in sight because there I'll be, right in front of myself and that will be the end? No, I meant that by using a mirror, you might be able to see your end. you're funny, no, seriously, i mean it Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
Hey thanks (and to everyone who responded). That is a well-thought out response based on your first-hand experience. I have been reading about diet for years and would not have been able to synthesize all I've learned that succinctly. I'm going to give buffalo meat, very low in fat and low in saturated fat, wild alaskan salmon and free range chicken, twice per day, for a month and see how it all goes. Again, thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small frame. So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. ... I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. I went through the same thing some years ago -- figuring out that rice and beans and veggies were not an ideal diet -- though the doctor, Rothenberg?, at the LA av place told me, excellent diet, thats all you need I read a lot, got into the theory behind zone and atkins, tried a lot of high protein and protein adequate (a zone phrase) food combinations. And researched food compostions pretty deeply --created a large spreadsheet dumping data from dept ag data base (excellent food composition source). One thing I was able to confirm is that you can get all the protein, of the right type, from a veg diet. There are 8 amino acids that your body can't produce, and things like tofu and milk -- combined with healthy servings of vegetables ( vegs have protein too, just fairly diluted relative to their mass) gives an amino acid mix similar to meat. After 30 years or so, I played with eating eggs, chicken, fish, but no red meat. One issue with fish is the surprisingly high mercury levels, so I abandoned eating that regularly. Though all animal products have their curse (perhaps literally) -- hormones in chickens etc. And I cut way down on carbs -- I gave up, for the most part, grains and beans. And things like honey (I have not used sugar since my teens -- except in specialty things once in a while). And I cut way down on fruit. I think the problem with a ru diet is not the lack of protein but the high level of carbs which do lots of damage to your system over time. People switch to meat thinking their problem is low protein when its really high carbs. You need about 50-60 grams of protein /day if you lead a normal life - athletes in training need 100 or so. And need varies by sex, size etc. Actually protein need is not a settled area. The UN I think sets levels at 30-40. The tests for protein deficiency are bsed on testing nitrogen levels -- and some studies have shown a total rice diet did not bring subjects into protein deficiency. Lots of people eat more protein than they need, which is just then used as calories. Eating adequate protein is a good target. If you have acess to good firm fresh tofu, i find it a good source. Some tofu in supermarkets is horrible stuff. But most healthfood stores carry reasonable to good stuff. I bake mine at low heat -- 200 or so, until it turns a light golden brown. It becomes delicious this way -- IMO, can then be easily slice -- very thin if you want, add to stir fry, etc, and keeps a very long time. Good firm tofu provides about 5 grams of protein / oz. (Look at pacakge, it varies by producer and desnity). So 8 oz of tofu divided between meals (2-3 oz / meal) plus a couple of cups for milk (9g prot/cup) gives you 58 grams / day. And if you eat healthy servings of vegetables (not beans or squashes, but greens, broccoli, asparagus, carrots, celery, etc) you can pick up an extra 10 grams of p. / day -- plus all the other benefits of fresh vegetables. So even 6 oz of tofu, one cup of milk, and lots of fresh veggies will give you 50 grams of good quality protein. No need for meat if you have ethical, ecological or other misgivings about it. I tend to mix it up -- I have added 1 free-range no-hormone eggs to my diet per day (6g) (or so), 4-8 oz firm tofu (20-40 g), a bit of low fat cheese (5-10g), a couple of cups of skim milk (in coffee and tea mostly) (18 g) , a skinless chicken breast once in a while (20-30 g). A few nuts now and then -- not regualrly -- too heavy for me. And lots of fresh vegies (10 g), and fruit only as an occasional treat. The protein to carb ratio of such exceeds the zone, but is not as drastic as atkins. And protion size is critical. I generally eaten good foods - but too much of anything is bad. Try eating half the portion size as normal for a week and see if you feel ok. And fasting once a week -- i did that regualry on thursday in my TMO days, i have found to be a great habit
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
my quick adder onner---I'm totally allergic to milk and dont even bother trying any of the guaranteed ways to overcome the allergy, none of them are worth the month it takes me to get rid of the aftereffects. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some people think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. Its just not true. Following are the 8 necessary amino acids for humans, and their percentages in composition compared to milk. The only one really out of whack is methionine at 55%. But by eating some foods richer in methionine can help balance this out. Brazil nuts are way high -- 250 % higher than milk. And seseme seeds, avacados, eggs, brussel sprouts all exceed the methionine compostion of milk (relative to other amino acids.) Even with balancing, a veg diet might end up at 80% or so methionine of the compositition of milk. But there are no studies that milk has the deal balance of methionine relative to other amino acids. Its probably a good mix for calves, but not necessarily needed by adult humans. I can't find any studies on it. Regardless, by increasing protein intake by 20% over your target (which is pretty nebulous figure to start with, anywhere from 30-80 grams) one would achieve the same amount of methionine as in a dairy diet. Meat has about 15% more methionine per gram of protien than milk, so a 25-30 % or so greater load of veggie protien compared to a meat diet would give a similar level of methionine (its not all meat it would not have to be 30-40% which would be needed for equal methionine levels for a pure meat diet). So still, 8 oz firm tofu, 2 glasses of milk, a brazil nut, a slice of avocado, an oz of cheese and lots of veggies gives you 65-75 grams of protein -- 25-30%% over a target of 50 grams. Thus such a diet would be eqivalent in methionine levels (and higher in other essential amino acids) compared to a meat diet. Tryptophan__119.70% Threonine__ 98.30% Isoleucine__89.10% Leucine_84.30% Lysine__90.20% Methionine__55.00% Phenylalanine___109.20% Valine__81.90% --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey thanks (and to everyone who responded). That is a well-thought out response based on your first-hand experience. I have been reading about diet for years and would not have been able to synthesize all I've learned that succinctly. I'm going to give buffalo meat, very low in fat and low in saturated fat, wild alaskan salmon and free range chicken, twice per day, for a month and see how it all goes. Again, thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small frame. So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. ... I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. I went through the same thing some years ago -- figuring out that rice and beans and veggies were not an ideal diet -- though the doctor, Rothenberg?, at the LA av place told me, excellent diet, thats all you need I read a lot, got into the theory behind zone and atkins, tried a lot of high protein and protein adequate (a zone phrase) food combinations. And researched food compostions pretty deeply --created a large spreadsheet dumping data from dept ag data base (excellent food composition source). One thing I was able to confirm is that you can get all the protein, of the right type, from a veg diet. There are 8 amino acids that your body can't produce, and things like tofu and milk -- combined with healthy servings of vegetables ( vegs have protein too, just fairly diluted relative to their mass) gives an amino acid mix similar to meat. After 30 years or so, I played with eating eggs, chicken, fish, but no red meat. One issue with fish is the surprisingly high mercury levels, so I abandoned eating that regularly. Though all animal products have their curse (perhaps literally) -- hormones in chickens etc. And I cut way down on carbs -- I gave up, for the most part, grains and beans. And things like honey (I have not used sugar since my teens -- except in specialty things once in a while). And I cut way down on fruit. I think the problem with a ru diet is not the lack of protein but the high level of carbs which do lots of damage to your system over time. People switch to meat thinking
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ali Stings Bush'
Bush has made a disastrous mess of so many levels of life that to feel sorry for him doesn't make any sense unless there is some personal transference going on there. Think of the hundreds of millions of lives he's negatively impacted, with 3+ years left to continue on this rampage of destruction,and transfer that feeling sorry to all of the lives impacted by this group of rakshasas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Champ, Mohammad Ali, stung Mr. Bush, Wednesday, at the WH; Giving the hand sign of This Man's Crazy. As Mr.Bush went on a prime time schmoozing campaign. Aretha Franklin, also, had little regard in body language toward, Mr.Bush. Our President has taken on quite a pathetic look; Different then just a few years ago... Robert Gimbel Madison,WI. He has said before that God tells him what to do. I suspect God is now telling him to get the hell outta there. Very refreshing, and as unexpected as the toppling of the Berlin wall. Looks to me like God was sending him a message through Muhammad Ali. Yes, many many messengers of God speaking that message to the Bush these days... I actually feel very sorry for Bush. He's in way over his head and his advisors are turning out to be true scoundrals. I don't think he knows what to do. He's good for a pep rally, but the actually nitty-gritty of sound policy development seems to be beyond him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Self referal term
Can someone elaborate on the Self Referral attribute of the Self. Also do we know it to be true or is it part of the Ved belief system? ( I understand it but when I was trying to explain to someone I got stuck :) ) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self referal term
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone elaborate on the Self Referral attribute of the Self. Also do we know it to be true or is it part of the Ved belief system? ( I understand it but when I was trying to explain to someone I got stuck :) ) The only attribute the Self really has is Self Referral (awareness). you either have them all (i.e. intelligence, mercy.., all dualities ) or have none of them depends on your POV. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self referal term
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone elaborate on the Self Referral attribute of the Self. Also do we know it to be true or is it part of the Ved belief system? ( I understand it but when I was trying to explain to someone I got stuck :) ) The only attribute the Self really has is Self Referral (awareness). you either have them all (i.e. intelligence, mercy.., all dualities ) or have none of them, depends on your POV. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self referal term
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone elaborate on the Self Referral attribute of the Self. Also do we know it to be true or is it part of the Ved belief system? ( I understand it but when I was trying to explain to someone I got stuck :) ) The only attribute the Self really has is Self Referral (awareness). you either have them all (i.e. intelligence, mercy.., all dualities ) or have none of them depends on your POV. Self has no POV... Or the Self has them all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Paris Burning?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, fwiw, I just spoke with my 27 year old niece who lives in the heart of Paris and she said that what is actually going on over there is nothing like the press here in the U.S. has made it out to be. She recently watched CNN and could not believe how exaggerated they made it out to be. And that the reporter from CNN completely ignored the French person he was interviewing and kept hypersensationalizing it, in spite of what was being said straight from someone who lives there. how do you say self denial in French? BTW, anyone know why TurquoiseB stopped posting? is it related? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fw: [TMTrue] questions asked by non-Muslims
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[FairfieldLife] Fiscal train wreck feared
On the cover of my local newspaper today (big city in a big state) is the headline, Fiscal train wreck feared: Experts say lurking U.S. crisis may spur market plunge, pension losses, lower standard of living. For some reason (control of the media?) it is not only not on the newspaper's website but nowhere on the Internet that I can find. However, there are many sites with essentially the same information. Here's one link, of many, I came up with and also a short segment of the article. * http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/10/17_mccalluml_deficit/ Federal budget experts speaking at a conference in Minneapolis offered a bleak forecast for the nation's fiscal health. The panel included representatives from both conservative and liberal organizations. Despite their political differences, they generally agreed the country faces a looming financial crisis, and elected officials aren't making the tough choices required to fix the problem. The panel spoke at the University of Minnesota's Humphrey Institute on Monday Minneapolis, Minn. U.S. Comptroller General David Walker doesn't mince words when talking about the nation's financial condition. We are on an imprudent and unsustainable path. Every day, it's getting worse, says Walker, who heads the Government Accountability Office, which audits the federal government. Larger view Image Brian Riedl Walker says most of the U.S. budget is on autopilot, consumed by the three massive entitlement programs of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Walker says the budget deficit is down from last year's record high of $412 billion, but he warns the deficit could still balloon in the future, as 77 million baby boomers hit retirement age. We have not yet begun to face the demographic tidal wave -- the demographic tsunami, if you will -- associated with the retirement of my generation, the baby-boom generation, according to Walker. Walker says rising health care costs threaten to bankrupt the country long-term. He's also concerned about the cost of the Medicare prescription drug benefit set to begin in January. Walker and other budget experts say the situation isn't hopeless if elected officials are willing to confront the problem. But the solutions aren't easy. Isabel Sawhill, director of Economic Studies at the liberal Brookings Institution, says the nation can't simply rely on economic growth to generate enough taxes to solve the problem. She says there is some federal pork that can be cut, but simply trimming spending won't close the gap. Eventually taxes must be raised and spending cut. The sooner that's done, the less costly and painful it will be, and we need presidential leadership and bipartisan compromise to get all of that done, says Sawhill. We have not yet begun to face the demographic tidal wave ... associated with the retirement of my generation -- the baby-boom generation. - U.S. Comptroller General David Walker Sawhill says both Republicans and Democrats will have to fix the problem together, to provide political cover for making the tough choices. Brian Riedl, the lead budget analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation, says there's not much appetite for that among lawmakers in Washington. There is not much courage out there, according to Riedl. They will go whichever way the wind is blowing on a lot of these issues. And if they're not hearing it from the grassroots, and they're not hearing any pressure, they're going to focus on the political calendar, they're not going to focus on the long term. Riedl and other budget experts say without public pressure, Congress and the president will delay the difficult decisions. The panel members said they want to see more public debate on the nation's fiscal woes. But Riedl acknowledges that won't make the medicine any easier to swallow. Like an alcoholic, the first thing you have to do it admit you have a problem ... The flip side of it is, Americans are vehemently opposed to every possible solution, he says. Riedl's organization has critized the Bush administration for the growth in government spending. But Riedl gives President Bush credit for proposing Social Security reform, even though the plan went nowhere. Riedl says reforming the entitlement programs is critical. For example, he says the Medicare drug benefit should be limited to low-income seniors. But unless elected leaders reduce the nation's fiscal obligations, future generations will face the consequences of an ever-expanding federal debt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal train wreck feared
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the cover of my local newspaper today (big city in a big state) is the headline, Fiscal train wreck feared: Experts say lurking U.S. crisis may spur market plunge, pension losses, lower standard of living. Reported on CNN this afternoon as well, very gloomily. Yes, the news organizations thrive on conflict and failure. All of this; the 'bird flu', and bad this and bad that, and be afraid of this and be afraid of that, is so *incredibly* selective. snipped here I'm declaring it a massive conspiracy of muddy consciousness; the hideousness of small minds. i agree that it is the hideousness of small minds but that doesn't mean that what is being said is not the real truth. these small minds have created this vast mess and don't seem the slightest bit interested in helping anyone except each other get out unscathed. people in dire poverty are getting poorer while those with money stand by and add more money to their coffers. what's small about that? people who worked for 40 years and saved every possible penny find out their pension no longer exists. that's not small. ourselves so often as powerless victims, as occupants of a large, fearful cesspool, as 90% goners. Not me. Not you. Not any of us. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Bushenomics
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1115-34.htm Bushenomics by Larry Beinhart It is truly time to change the way we speak about this administration's economic policies. The old words -- conservative, liberal, Keynesian, stimulus, supply side, job creation, deficits, deficit reduction and so on -- just swirl around and help them hide the truth in the fog. Bushenomics is something different. It is also very simple. Bushenomics is the use of the government to take regular people's money and give it to rich people and corporations. The genius of Bushenomics has been selling it to the voters as something that's good for them. Any appearance of benefits to low and middle income people -- or for that matter to the country as a whole -- is only there to sell the programs. Any actual benefits will be more than offset by increases in other taxes, the loss of services and by the accumulation of debts. The story that tax cuts for the rich will stimulate the economy so much that it will solve all problems is bogus. It was originally called Trickle Down economics, an inadvertently apt right wing euphemism for piss on everyone else. It was changed to Supply Side Economics. The old Bush called it voodoo economics. The current Bush calls each tax cut a jobs and stimulus package. This Bush even maintains that it works. In the words of the White House website, in bold face and using title case, the president's policies have helped create jobs, growth, and opportunity. Compared to what? The president would like us to compare it to an imaginary alternative world called how-much-worse-it-would-have-been-without-my-initiatives. But it makes more sense to look for some real world comparison. The closest thing in time and kind is the previous administration. Under Clinton, 18,000,000 new jobs were created. The Dow Jones average was 320% higher when he left office than it was when he came in. The budget had gone from a record deficit to the first surplus since 1969. Under Bush the only increase in jobs has come from government expansion. There has actually been a decrease in the number of private sector jobs. Adjusted for inflation, the Dow Jones has gone down about 8.6%. Ronald Reagan changed course after one year. Bush's policies have failed to fulfill their promises year after year for five years. Why does this administration persist? If we use their language -- stimulus and jobs and tax cuts lead to deficit reduction -- or the standard language of economics, the discussion disintegrates into a food fight, except that it's statistics and buzz words being thrown around the lunch room. If we forget all that, just look at what they've done, then make up our own description, it's clear and simple. The tax policies unarguably favor the wealthy. They especially favor unearned income, dividends, capitol gains and inheritances, money that accrues as you sip Campari on the veranda of the Splendido in Portofino. Their spending also favors the rich. Also at the expense of the rest of us. The Medicare package has the bizarre requirement that the government has to buy pharmaceuticals from the drug companies at the highest possible price. That means it is requiring us to pay the highest possible price. The $12.3 billion energy bill was a triumph for special interests and was followed, shortly thereafter, by $3 a gallon gas at the pump and record profits for the oil industry. If the privatization of Social Security had been successful, it would have taken money that now goes from people to people through the government and sent it off to corporations. The process would have incurred gigantic interim debts that taxpayers would have had to pay for. The reconstruction fund for Iraq originally had neither oversight nor controls and the people who handled the money were specifically exempted from ever being prosecuted. Funds for the reconstruction of the Gulf Coast were original offered as no-bid contracts with guaranteed profits. They argued that it was a matter of urgency, but they had time to try to break the rule that requires contractors to pay the prevailing wage. The privatization of the armed forces means that about 30% of the cost of military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan goes directly to private contractors. It is, of course, hard to believe that our elected leaders would be cynical enough to use the government primarily to enrich the rich, without really caring of it creates social benefits. Especially if it's true that they will leave huge debts behind, a mess for others to clean up or to suffer with. It's hard to believe unless we are familiar with the private careers of George Bush and Dick Cheney. Bush ran a series of companies. He, personally, always made money. They all went bankrupt. He never seems to have had any regrets and could always find more money to lose. Then he organized the purchase of the Texas Rangers baseball team. His group got the city of Arlington to pass a special tax to build a stadium
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF 'deeksha', Kalki cult, Chalanda Ma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Doug. I've had deeksha from the Kalki group and am looking to get some from the Chalanda Ma group as soon as possible. If I like it, I'll learn how to give it myself. Dear Gull, Please give us a report! I'm very interested to see if the dikshas are the same. Chalanda Ma charges $44 to learn how to give it, compared to $5500 via the Kalki group. Thanks! anon3 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Does anyone really care about
most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife? every day, over and over, the same issues for years now. more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig (sorry to pick on you but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone has also commented on. Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from spairaig and most of them say little to nothing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're reading every single post I wrote since I got on this forum? There are people who post regularly and are selective about posting when they are going to contribute something meaningful, tehrefore, when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read what they say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to take great delight in using your red ink pen to say something about everything. Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be more selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but try to limit your posts way down. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about
Akasha 108 will return when his ego and intellect achieve full enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/19/05 3:33 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're reading every single post I wrote since I got on this forum? There are people who post regularly and are selective about posting when they are going to contribute something meaningful, tehrefore, when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read what they say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to take great delight in using your red ink pen to say something about everything. Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be more selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but try to limit your posts way down. Just as any king has to have a court jester, maybe every chat group has to have someone who over-posts. Ron Fried used to fulfill the role. He dropped out after Mark Meredith posted a hilarious satire: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Humor%20and% 20Satire/Ronol ogy/ Or http://tinyurl.com/4o3u7 I'm not saying we want sparaig to drop out. Just me more discriminating. If nothing else, his motivation could be the desire to have people read his (fewer) posts rather than skip them all.. Did you notice that Akasha 108 dropped out after I posted a satire about his never-ending cut and pastes about housing prices. I didn't intend him to drop out but I guess he only wanted to discuss the future housing market and nothing else. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife? every day, over and over, the same issues for years now. more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig (sorry to pick on you but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone has also commented on. Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from spairaig and most of them say little to nothing. Do pray tell anonymousff where you have posted something of note and worthy of the FFL postings. Please point to a worthy post of yours anonymousff, and enlighten us with what kind of post we should be sticking to. We eagerly await your leading by example. OffWorld http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/79669 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 20, 2005, at 8:31 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] OffWorld is a migrant from alt.m.t?? No, he's a casualty of you and I migrating here from a.m.t. and destroying the amicable community of posters here... sparaig , you make me sleepy. your obssesion postings need a check by an admin Dr. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] my conclusion
is that TM basically will make your ego expand and inflated, that could be harmful or can be good depending on the direction of your ego. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The 15 enemies of the Internet and other countries to watch
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=15613. I was surprised to see US here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi is Hanuman - Frank Lotz
Sorry, Maharish cannot be Hanuman as my old friend, Russell (Rusty) Hoffman is now Hanuman Hoffman. They'll have to fight over it in court. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: frank lotz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:21:49 +0100 (CET) Subject: Regarding Bhakti How dear to the hearth of everyone from us our Hanumanjie is! Once I had an experience, it was in spring 1973 in Interlaken, Switzerland. I was walking behind Maharishi (at that time I was potwasher in the movement, still I am a potwasher) and suddenly I saw behind Maharishi's back a tail coming out. I was shocked and a bid afraid. At this time I had no knowledge about dear Râm or who Hanuman-jie was or is! Now, I believe and know it really Maharishi is Shiva/Hanuman-jie Incarnate. All Glory to the Bhakti of Shri Hanumanjie. My He guide always and forever Maharishi's Movement Hari Bol Hari Râm Hari Gopala Hari My dear sweet Lord Frank lotz [Governor of Enlightenment] - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chopra and Meditation (was Re: Charlie Donahue)
Haven't been following this thread, so my apologies if what I have to say is redundant. Dr. David Simon is the doctor/former-TM governor who invited Dr. Chopra to La Jolla and who has worked with him in partnership since. Around 1994 or 1995, David Simon told a friend the following: When Dr. Chopra first came out to California, he and Dr. Simon were referring their clients to the tmo to learn TM. But clients would come back complaining about the high price (what was it, about $1000 back then?) So then Dr. Chopra and Dr. Simon would advise them that there were TM teachers in the area willing to teach TM for less and give them names. After awhile, they received a letter from tmo national saying that they were circumventing the tmo and going against mmy's wishes, and perhaps, after all, it was a good thing that Dr. Chopra had severed relations with the tmo and mmy, and would they please stop recommending to people to go to TM teachers who were not working through the tmo and not charging the full price. It was after this that the two doctors decided to develop their own meditation so as to fully sever the relationship to the tmo. I believe that what they taught involved the use of a mantra chosen from a list of 108 mantras based on nakshatras. They called what they were teaching Primordial Sound. This was an interesting coincidence, considering that Dr. Chopra was teaching a Primordial Sound technique when he was working under the auspices of the tmo. On being asked about this coincidence of technique name, Dr. Simon responded that nothing that Dr. Chopra was teaching since leaving the tmo had come from Maharishi. Whether or not that was true, it certainly identifies how Dr. Simon, and probably Dr. Chopra felt about the situation. Maybe it is not so coincidental that mmy never tried to resurrect the primorial sound, bliss technique or psychophysiological techniques that Dr. Chopra was teaching through MAPI. Maybe Dr. Chopra had more ownership or authorship of them than mmy did in some way. But, in any case, there were not 108 primordial sounds when they were being taught through MAPI. So something had changed, if not the name. anon --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I find interesting about Chopra is that when he left the Movement he went down on record as saying: No, I don't want to compete with Maharishi and I'm not interested in teaching meditation. Had he stuck to that, I would have had a lot of respect for the guy. Chopra's version is that he and MMY agreed he should work more independently due to too much infighting coming from the inner circlers against chopra plus Chopra would have more credibility promoting ayurved if he was not directly employed and associated with the tmo. Then a week later, bevan sends out the message to all centers declaring chopra persona non grata within the tmo and generally promoting all the spin and rumors against him. Chopra couldn't get MMY to rein in the negative campaigning so he felt had no responsibility to promote tmo's programs. I can certainly empathize with Chopra vis a vis his own programs and whether or not the Movement -- and the Upper Snots -- acted like pricks with him, which they probably did. And I have no problem with Chopra promoting, selling and making oodles of cash off of those programs. I do have a problem with him creating and then selling his own brand of TM which from all appearances he has done, particularly since I have seen a quote from him at the time he left the movement that he had no interest in doing so. I wish I could find the quote and reproduce it here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chopra and Meditation (was Re: Charlie Donahue)
An addendum to the last note: All of the information presented is about 10 years old, so it's not certain how much of it is still valid. However, 10 years ago, Dr. Simon said that they were using a puja, but not a guru puja. It might have been a puja to Lord Shiva or something like that. Dr. Simon would do the puja and Dr. Chopra would teach the meditation. anon --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't been following this thread, so my apologies if what I have to say is redundant. Dr. David Simon is the doctor/former-TM governor who invited Dr. Chopra to La Jolla and who has worked with him in partnership since. Around 1994 or 1995, David Simon told a friend the following: When Dr. Chopra first came out to California, he and Dr. Simon were referring their clients to the tmo to learn TM. But clients would come back complaining about the high price (what was it, about $1000 back then?) So then Dr. Chopra and Dr. Simon would advise them that there were TM teachers in the area willing to teach TM for less and give them names. After awhile, they received a letter from tmo national saying that they were circumventing the tmo and going against mmy's wishes, and perhaps, after all, it was a good thing that Dr. Chopra had severed relations with the tmo and mmy, and would they please stop recommending to people to go to TM teachers who were not working through the tmo and not charging the full price. It was after this that the two doctors decided to develop their own meditation so as to fully sever the relationship to the tmo. I believe that what they taught involved the use of a mantra chosen from a list of 108 mantras based on nakshatras. They called what they were teaching Primordial Sound. This was an interesting coincidence, considering that Dr. Chopra was teaching a Primordial Sound technique when he was working under the auspices of the tmo. On being asked about this coincidence of technique name, Dr. Simon responded that nothing that Dr. Chopra was teaching since leaving the tmo had come from Maharishi. Whether or not that was true, it certainly identifies how Dr. Simon, and probably Dr. Chopra felt about the situation. Maybe it is not so coincidental that mmy never tried to resurrect the primorial sound, bliss technique or psychophysiological techniques that Dr. Chopra was teaching through MAPI. Maybe Dr. Chopra had more ownership or authorship of them than mmy did in some way. But, in any case, there were not 108 primordial sounds when they were being taught through MAPI. So something had changed, if not the name. anon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Birthday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mercimy wife gave me a cool Craftsman tool chest w/ the pull-out drawers for my B-day I hope she also pulled your tool out of your drawers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
Shemp That's a very funny comment, first time I remember laughing at something you wrote. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: L B Shriver wrote: I am suggesting, for the sake of a more rewarding experience of satsang, that you plan to visit for a week or two sometime in the coming year. Judy replied: Well, thanks for the suggestion, but to be honest, I haven't the *slightest* desire to visit Fairfield, for satsang or anything else. Just wondering, Judy, would you be interested in a live, in-person satsang at any venue? Do you mean satsang as in sit around informally with spiritual compatriots and yakking about experiences and stuff? Or do you mean a meeting led by a holy person of some sort? I wouldn't be averse to either if the people involved were compatible Would you attend one if it were you, me and Tantra? and it was convenient to get to, but it isn't anything I'd seek out. Why? What is this get-Judy-to-a-satsang movement? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp That's a very funny comment, first time I remember laughing at something you wrote. I suspect he was referring to Uncle Tantra (Barry, TurquoiseB). Judy, yah, I got that. What I found funny was the image of you sitting in a room with Barry and Shemp having a spiritual satsang. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: L B Shriver wrote: I am suggesting, for the sake of a more rewarding experience of satsang, that you plan to visit for a week or two sometime in the coming year. Judy replied: Well, thanks for the suggestion, but to be honest, I haven't the *slightest* desire to visit Fairfield, for satsang or anything else. Just wondering, Judy, would you be interested in a live, in-person satsang at any venue? Do you mean satsang as in sit around informally with spiritual compatriots and yakking about experiences and stuff? Or do you mean a meeting led by a holy person of some sort? I wouldn't be averse to either if the people involved were compatible Would you attend one if it were you, me and Tantra? and it was convenient to get to, but it isn't anything I'd seek out. Why? What is this get-Judy-to-a-satsang movement? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Judy and I drank the TM koolaid years ago. Speaking for her (an unwise thing to do, I'll agree), its not in our worldview that this kind of discourse has ANY real value, compared to just meditating and living life. If that is what you think, which is the feeling one gets from reading your endless pointless blather, why do you bother polluting this place with your inane diahrrea-like comments. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Researching the Health Effects of Advanced Yogic Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend just forwarded this. -V. Bill Bushell Researching the Health Effects of Adanced Yogic Practice Indo-Tibetan yoga holds that regenerative, health-enhancing, protective substances are secreted from upper regions of the brain and the lower quadrant of the abdomen during meditation. Recently, it has been demonstrated that two such profoundly health-enhancing substances, melatonin and DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone), are in fact secreted from these two anatomical locations, respectively, during meditation. In the past several years, Western scientists have determined that melatonin and DHEA do stimulate adult stem cells and also promote tissue healing, immune defenses, positive mood, and cognitive functioning the same constellation of enhancements attributed by Indo-Tibetan science to the substances secreted during meditation! snip And these two substances, melatonin and DHEA, are available over the counter in in health food store. I have been taking them for years. So is the point that for a few dollars for a few pills anyone can achieve the greatness of the indo-tibetian yogis? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: TM dialog...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the following is an email someone forwarded to me. What I am doing is assisting the greatest Master of all times to use the most powerful forces in THIS universe (probably all the rest as well) to change the course of time itself and create a new civilization on earth--transform life on earth from hell to heaven--from the deepest ignorance of Kali Yuga to the greatest life for humanity of Satya Yuga. The Unified Field is AT LEAST ten million million times more powerful than a hydrogen bomb--than the nuclear level! The human mind can directly experience the Unified Field and ACT from that level. It's possible to directly effect thousands of other people. As John Hagelin says, It is ten thousand times more certain that yogic flying creates peace that that aspirin cures a headache. About 12-15 years ago the jyotishis looking at Maharishi's annual chart on his birthday (parshaphal, i think it's called) declared, Never before and never again! Never before has anyone like Maharishi been on earth and never again will there be. The choice is yours, my friend, and I encourage you to enter and sincerely hope you will take advantage of this opportunity. Much less than once in a lifetime, this is once in a million lifetimes--once in many yugas! So he is assisting the greatest Master of all times -- of whom never before has anyone like him been on earth and never again will there be -- to use the most powerful forces in THIS universe, the Unified Field which is AT LEAST ten million million times more powerful than a hydrogen bomb, to change the course of time itself and create a new civilization on earth--transform life on earth from hell to heaven--from the deepest ignorance of Kali Yuga to the greatest life for humanity of Satya Yuga. wow, impressive resume. I wonder if he feels special? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
Also, on a visit to the New York area in 2000, Janet Hoffman, long-time TM teacher in Manhattan, told me that she had spent a delightful week in Lancaster, MA getting pancha karma and George was there the whole time she was and he was a total riot (as in funny). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/1/05 8:23 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as late as 1998 I know people who saw him in Vlodrop getting Jyotish and gemstone recommendations. George visited Vlodrop, as did Paul, with his daughter. I had many friends there at the time who filled me in on the details. George also did a benefit concert for the NLP in Royal Albert Hall. I think Ringo showed up and drummed. I believe Prudence is still practicing...does anyone know? I'm quite sure she is. She is the 2nd entry at http://ls.berkeley.edu/dept/sseas/courses/f02/f02_officehours.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
If they only had a BA, of course we would disbelieve them. College girls are sluts. Its an established fact. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if they had been less mature or intelligent, with say, only a BA? You might have disbelieved them then? Sal On Dec 2, 2005, at 8:51 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I agree, which is why I only accept what I consider to be factual accounts, which I have received directly from people who had relationships with Muktananda, Sai Baba, and MMY. Before talking to these people, I didn't believe the rumors. After talking to them (in the latter case, mature, intelligent women with graduate educations and respectable careers and no ax to grind), I did. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The yagyas are having a wonderful impact on Tom. He's stopped calling African Americans niggers and now kindly refers to them as spearchuckers. The power of yagyas!! I don't see any such references in Tom's post. But your bigotry against hindus and their religious practices is astonishing. Just because you don't beleive in, or more to the point -- understand -- other cultures' religions practices is no grounds to ridicule them. Whats your take on christians taking communion, muslems praying before Mecca six times a day, Buddhists strivng to be compassionate? I have seen fools do all of such. Does that make these practices foolish? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
Quite right and delicious points sal. I think Rick may be on the perverbial slippery slope here. As might we all. I vaguely nodded when Rick wrote his first reply -- educated, professional women -- etc, yes, credible types I thought. But to whom is the distiction being made? Educated, professional women, are generally honest? Compared to what group of women who are generally less so? Trailer trash? Redneck women? Walmart employees? The stereotypes of personality traits one needs to cojure up to complete Rick's thought are ghastly. I wonder does the same apply to men? (And if not why not? ) Bill Clinton was highly educated at the best schools, certainly had a high professional position, yet lied profusely. In my view, the same with GWB. (And so we don't quibble in silly ways over semantics, by lie I include the sense of saying things that make people believe something other than the truth.) What about Mr Skilling and Mr Ebbers who essentially said I didn't deal with the numbers -- and as CEOs of huge corporations ran them into the ground without, allegedely, a mere glance at the numbers. Upon reflection, I have experienced that many highly educated women have keen and repeatedly sharpened abilities to intentionally shape ones image of things in ways that escape a glimpse of reality. Less professional and educated women in my experience often are not good liars -- are transparent when they attempt such -- and have a less honed and nuanced moral code than their ivy league/boardroom sisters -- and appear to prefer being straightforward -- because its simply easier. So, yes, following on to Sal's thought, tell us Rick (and all -- my self included) at what degrading level of education, profession and social standing does a woman become not credible -- compared to the ascending crown of credibility for educated, professional women? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't answer the question, Rick. At what point do their stories become believable--after college? Graduate school? How about during graduate school? And does it matter if they are getting a Ph.D or an MA? How about a teaching certificate? And what about if they happen to be highly educated and established in professional society but otherwise obvious flakes? And what professional societies are these women established in, anyway? Sal On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote: What if they had been less mature or intelligent, with say, only a BA? You might have disbelieved them then? Sal Generally, people more highly educated and established in professional society are regarded as more credible. Of course, there are always exceptions to every generality. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Definition of one Liberated
I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don¹t know if this is a significant topic, since most TM teachers are well-educated and from middle or upper class families, but the point was (I think) that we¹re not talking about topless dancers here. OK, now that will start a discussion about all the topless dancers with Ph.D.s. A false distinction here, I believe, Rick. The issue is not whether some topless dancers have Phds but rather, does a Phd give one any more credibility than someone merely with a BA? Is John Haiglin more credibly than someone with a BA from Podunk State University? In string theory, yes. But if the PSU grad was a woman who john had physically restrained and tried to seduce, whose story would you beleive? Or more to the point: does John having a PhD make his version of the story more credible? Thus is a Phd a license for date rape? And why are topless dancers as a class, not referring to the exceptions here -- phds and all -- not credible? Do you view topless dancers as immoral in one area of life and thus immoral (liars) in all areas? Do you think a topless dancer will lie to you more than a real estate agent? Do you equate topless dancers with prostitutes? (Quite a false premise in my book) But, ok, so what about prostitutes. If one were abducted and raped, is her story not credible because she is a prostitute? If a physics professor raped her, does his testimony totally overshadow hers because he is a Phd and she is a prostitute? In some ways, it appears to me that a topless dancer is a priori more honest than you the patron. She has her clothes off before you. Quite a bold stroke of honesty actually. By the way, just curious rick, is an all nude dancer less credibly than a topless dancer? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/3/05 10:59 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? Realizing that you were never bound. I am silly enough to not even know I was bound. Am I now just on the beginning of the road: i) it was just implied I must be bound, ii) i must now seek liberation iii) at some point I will realize I was never bound. Hmm, things seemed simpler in the zero state -- the ignorance of being bound in the first place. Serious point actually. It seems that seekers are the few in the population that would characterize themselves as bound. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/3/05 10:59 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? Realizing that you were never bound. I am silly enough to not even know I was bound. Am I now just on the beginning of the road: i) it was just implied I must be bound, ii) i must now seek liberation iii) at some point I will realize I was never bound. Hmm, things seemed simpler in the zero state -- the ignorance of being bound in the first place. Serious point actually. It seems that seekers are the few in the population that would characterize themselves as bound. True enough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave So did you consider yourself a seeker before you read Rick's response? If so, what did you have in mind that you believed you were seeking? You asked about the meaning of liberation. What was it that made you curious about it? Two different anons here (two manifestations of the ONE immortal ANON). I wrote the latter response, but not the original question. I see your point of the allegory in the cave. But it seems to be there may be a deeper paradox here swallowing up even that. I will ponder on composing such. Meanwhile, the cave is a good story for a seeker -- but is it necessarily a universal truth for all? It all has the appearance of co-dependent relationship. The seeker needs the boundaries in order to justify his (sometimes strange) seeking rituals. And needs to empower the boundaries, by recognizing them as such, in order for them to have power over her. Do teachers and guides create the game by first disclosing you are bound and ignorant? And then further the game by saying and here is the path to get out of boundaries and ignorance ? And then pulling the rug our from under you by saying it was just a joke, you are not bound, you are not ignorant.? Do teachers create students, per the above game, because they feel bound -- not full yet? Again, it seems that seekers are the few in the population that would characterize themselves as bound. Your world view appears to include the oblivious (unaware of the existence of boundaries) , seekers (aware of boundaries and seeking to escape them) and the liberated (aware that boundaries do not exist.) It is still not clear why and how the first and third are different? Are you saying one needs to be aware of a state of delusion prior to liberation in order to be liberated? No that doesn't make much sense in that if boundaries never existed, ignorance never existed. Seems to be the seekers trap. Why can't someone simply be happy where they are now, without first having to imagine unreal boundaries, and unreal ignorance of the fact that the boundaries and ignorance are unreal? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? Every action we take is designed to influence our future. When I was younger, my consciousness discriminated between spacetime and Enlightenment, between boundaries and Boundlessness. Like looking out the window of an airplane while landing on a cloudy night, seeing patches of clear air where the lights on the ground were clearly visible, interspersed with impenetrable cloud. My awareness had a dual nature; that of Mastered awareness and cloudy awareness. I then focused on piercing the clouds in my awareness, transmuting them into awareness itself, making the subconscious, conscious. Everything was fair game. Just by meditation, and then facing that which came to light during the practice. The inevitable effect of this activity, discriminating between Enlightenment and spacetime, was that once the clounds of spacetime were Absolutely eliminated, spacetime and Enlightenment joined together, in a quiet Unity; no more duality. As a result, I have found that I can now influence the future, simply by aligning my attention with this perfect blend of Enlightenment, lived in time and space. When my attention is centered on Now, time assumes its Infinite dimension, as does space, making available from one instance to the next, infinite possiblities. This is what it means to be liberated. And the upside is what? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/3/05 10:59 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? Realizing that you were never bound. I am silly enough to not even know I was bound. Am I now just on the beginning of the road: i) it was just implied I must be bound, ii) i must now seek liberation iii) at some point I will realize I was never bound. Hmm, things seemed simpler in the zero state -- the ignorance of being bound in the first place. Serious point actually. It seems that seekers are the few in the population that would characterize themselves as bound. Yes, they are the few that realize within some Was that in the recent Zogby poll? What was the percentage? Else, how do you know its a few? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? Every action we take is designed to influence our future. When I was younger, my consciousness discriminated between spacetime and Enlightenment, between boundaries and Boundlessness. Like looking out the window of an airplane while landing on a cloudy night, seeing patches of clear air where the lights on the ground were clearly visible, interspersed with impenetrable cloud. My awareness had a dual nature; that of Mastered awareness and cloudy awareness. I then focused on piercing the clouds in my awareness, transmuting them into awareness itself, making the subconscious, conscious. Everything was fair game. Just by meditation, and then facing that which came to light during the practice. The inevitable effect of this activity, discriminating between Enlightenment and spacetime, was that once the clounds of spacetime were Absolutely eliminated, spacetime and Enlightenment joined together, in a quiet Unity; no more duality. As a result, I have found that I can now influence the future, simply by aligning my attention with this perfect blend of Enlightenment, lived in time and space. When my attention is centered on Now, time assumes its Infinite dimension, as does space, making available from one instance to the next, infinite possiblities. This is what it means to be liberated. And the upside is what? Being successful in every endeavor undertaken, from the smallest, like cooking a delicious dinner, to larger desires, like having wonderful relationships with others, harmonious family life, success in my career, good health. Come on, it is an infinite list! So being successful is your view of being liberated. The point being, think of all of your desires and what it would be like to fulfill all of them. What if I have no desires? That is the upside, though your desires do change pre and post liberation. The reality too is that desires per se don't mean as much on the one hand, because life is lived much more in moment to moment fulfillment vs the old way of mostly feeling dissatisfied. To go into much detail here is meaningless from me to you. Sorry if I am so dense. I am what I am. You will experience it in you own, completely unique way. Will seems to be a word that seekers use a lot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, they are the few that realize within some Was that in the recent Zogby poll? What was the percentage? Else, how do you know its a few? From what the world's attention is focused on. If it were many, it would be reflected more widely through the media. And people would discuss it more openly. Have you ever considered that it may be so obvious to most that it barely warrants much mention. Like talking about the air. It is also the way evolution works, This is a personal cognition of all creation? Or a story you were told? why there are far more ants than elephants. And I suppose you are an elephant? Thats another facet of the co-dependent bound/not-bound cycle story. When one becomes liberated, they become superior. I guess thats the difference between the first category (I have no awareness of boundaries) and the third stage of seekerdom I have no awareness of boundaries, EVER. I observe people in the third stage, per their own story (I am not acknowleging any reality of a third stage or any stages), tend to express a sense of superiority. And reasonably so per their story. Most are in ignorance and boundaries, I am not, I am liberated, I am the elephant, they are the ants. But what if its only a story. What if one never bought into ignorance and boundaries in the first place? Then there is no seeking, no seeker, no teacher for the seeker, no seeker for the teacher, no boundaries to realize were never there, no ignorance to realize was never there. No co-depenedency, no superiority, no stories. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2005, at 10:29 AM, anonymousff wrote: I don't see any such references in Tom's post. But your bigotry against hindus and their religious practices is astonishing. Just because you don't beleive in, or more to the point -- understand -- other cultures' religions practices is no grounds to ridicule them. Do you really think Dr. Pete's post was written seriously? I took it as tongue-in-cheek, Often bigotry is most effectively embedded in smug, tongue-in-check slurs. Often good old boy talk is like that. Or gym talk. Sort of like the other thread on the stereotypes of women and their veracity. Lots of smug jokes could be made -- and actualy have been I mean she wasn't a topless dancer -- a yuk yuk, chuckle chuckle ripples through the men readers. It was tongue in check but hit the nail deeper into the casket real representations of women (and men) by enforcing false stereotypes via humor. Frankly, I don't think Dr. Pete was intending bigotry. However, I think his slant and smug comments, while tongue-in-check and thus pluasubly deniable are ridiculing a (to millions) sacred religious practice. Implying they are worthless hokum -- based on the example of one mixed-up white boy. That builds a foundation for further all in fun tongue-in-check degrading comments about hindus and their practices. Or any religion. Like the slippery slope of judging a woman's veracity by education, profession etc, there is a sippery slope of bigotry, IMO. Like the woman's example Phd executive community leader teacher mom walmart worker trailer park resident topless dancer prostitute -- where do you draw the line of veracity. You don't! Its a false premise that there is such a gradation. Its a false model. In the same way with a bigotry heirarchy: yagyas are ineffective and silly people who do yagyas are silly people who do things differently than us are strange its the strange people who are causing the problems townies are ignorant rednecks who are those camel jockey's who moved next door those towel heads setting fires to those cars up town ought to be deported - if not shot blacks should be profiled arabs should ot be allowed on airplanes mexicans are ruining america jews control the media and have an agenda this is a chirstian nation I don't want any blacks or arabs living next door lets deport all arabs jews control all banks and are causing the depression I cant even remember Mr Pall's slurs. Not sure where to put them in on the scale. The above comparision is probably flawed. Objections can be made in any number of superficial areas I am sure. But the theme of stereotyping, starting at innocent tongue-in-check levels, provide the (in)tolerance and foundatin for more advanced stereotypes and bigotry. And like the woman's veracity scale, its a false model. Its based on false associations of traits with a particular group. But I digress. My main concern with Dr. Pete was that he was rudely, IMO, making jokes about sacred ceremonies. Which is ok for crass people at all walks of life to do. As long as its consistent. My point was that there are probably sacred things in Mr Petes life that would offend him if ridiculed. If not, ridicule away if that makes you happy. But if Mr Pete or others have areas they hold sacred, outside of the boundaries of fair ridicule then its hypocrosy to ridicule sacred areas of others' lives. Whats your take on christians taking communion, muslems praying before Mecca six times a day, Buddhists strivng to be compassionate? I have seen fools do all of such. Does that make these practices foolish? The first two have nothing in common with the third. The first two are rituals, not tied to any particular set of actions, the third one *is* action. I am not into such distinctions like you are. My point is everyone has sacred things in their lives -- that many others do not get. Like TM 2x. Or going to the domes. Step back a few feet and yagyas are not more silly or sacred than that to most. Respect, tolerance and maturity are reflected in appreciating that one does not know all, that one does not understand all traditions. And thus a mindful respect of others' traditions is warranted. To ridicule them is a form of bigotry, a form of espressing superiority and identity enhancement. Even if its subtle, artful, humerous. Actually, often that is the most insidious -- because its bigotry that enters polite society like a trojan horse. Crass bigotry is quickly shouted down at the gates -- like Mr Pall's. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do teachers and guides create the game by first disclosing you are bound and ignorant? And then further the game by saying and here is the path to get out of boundaries and ignorance ? I suspect it varies with the individual. I had the sense of being bound (although I didn't call it that) long before I ever encountered any teaching about how to become unbound. snip Your world view appears to include the oblivious (unaware of the existence of boundaries) , seekers (aware of boundaries and seeking to escape them) and the liberated (aware that boundaries do not exist.) It is still not clear why and how the first and third are different? Are you saying one needs to be aware of a state of delusion prior to liberation in order to be liberated? Not necessarily. Sometimes it happens spontaneously, coming as a big surprise. No that doesn't make much sense in that if boundaries never existed, ignorance never existed. Reality is different in different states of consciousness. If that fits your story, then fine. It doesn't make it a universal truth. (Is there ushc a thing?) The reality that boundaries never existed is specific to the liberated state of consciousness. And the lack of recognition of any boundaries belong many peoples awareness that have not bought in to a bondage / ignorance story.a The reality of those who are not yet liberated is that boundaries do exist. If they have bought into a bondage story. Seems to be the seekers trap. Why can't someone simply be happy where they are now, without first having to imagine unreal boundaries, and unreal ignorance of the fact that the boundaries and ignorance are unreal? Because to those who are not yet liberated, as noted, the boundaries are very real indeed. To some I am sure they are. A self-recognition of boundaries -- whether real or not -- that is their perception. But there is a thrid group that your story doesn't seem to recognize: those that don't experience boundaries and have not bought into a bondage game or story. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats another facet of the co-dependent bound/not-bound cycle story. When one becomes liberated, they become superior. Have you actually experienced that with liberated people? Superiority/arrogance is the stink of an ego, not of liberated consciousness. Well for example, Jim is claiming liberation -- I take him at his word -- yet he is an elephant barely even able to talk to ants like me. That is one experience. Similar ones come to mind. You may making a distinction between classes of liberated and Jim and others are not in the class you are referring to. I have experienced many people with and without the stink of an ego. Are all of the latter liberated? All the former bound? I guess thats the difference between the first category (I have no awareness of boundaries) and the third stage of seekerdom I have no awareness of boundaries, EVER. I observe people in the third stage, per their own story (I am not acknowleging any reality of a third stage or any stages), tend to express a sense of superiority. And reasonably so per their story. Most are in ignorance and boundaries, I am not, I am liberated, I am the elephant, they are the ants. Really? Authentically liberated people can't act that way because it would be a self-evident absurdity to talk about being superior to someone else. How can nothing be better or worse than something? Seems reasonable to me. Maybe you've been talking to some mood-makers who have good experiences and also some self-esteem issues! Maybe. See above. And to jump a few notches, do you think MMY has some self-esteem issues? But what if its only a story. What if one never bought into ignorance and boundaries in the first place? I think that's a great non-story to buy into! Thats my non-story and my non-I is not sticking to IT. Then there is no seeking, no seeker, no teacher for the seeker, no seeker for the teacher, no boundaries to realize were never there, no ignorance to realize was never there. No co-depenedency, no superiority, no stories. Sounds like a powerful insight of liberation to me. First there's a game, then there's a winner of the game, then it is realized that there wasn't a game at all and therefore there are no winners or losers. Only people who walk around claiming to be not when they is. Oh joy, do I get a crown? :) Maybe one to sit on so when I strike a liberated pose it hurts my liberated ass like crazy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly, I don't think Dr. Pete was intending bigotry. However, I think his slant and smug comments, while tongue-in-check and thus pluasubly deniable are ridiculing a (to millions) sacred religious practice. Implying they are worthless hokum -- based on the example of one mixed-up white boy. That builds a foundation for further all in fun tongue-in-check degrading comments about hindus and their practices. Or any religion. No, that's not my intent at all. The focus was on Tom's racism in previous posts and not on the validity/non-validity of yagyas. I know. I was simply (well maybe convolutedly) pointing out that your comments could be insulting to some, and regardless, IMO, fertilize the ground of intolerance -- per the reasoning I laid out -- EVEN though I know that was not your intention. If I were insultable, I might be insulted by your comments. I hold yagyas to be sacred. But I write your comments off as non-thinking quips. Not that stronger ridicule would be found insulting either. But both can be non-productive in a social sense of cultivating deeper tolerance. I would never spoof someone's religious practices regardless of my attitude towards them. Why? It would serve no purpose at all and simply would be what you state above. I understand. Just pointing out that intent and result can be different and intolerance grows from a ground of imperceptibly fine dust of tongue-in-check quips and slurs. IMO. You know, I get your point, slightly over-stated, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Which is ok for crass people at all walks of life to do. As long as its consistent. My point was that there are probably sacred things in Mr Petes life that would offend him if ridiculed. My penis is not small! See! It WAS was a cigar!! And I thought it was your wife who held your penis as sacred. You also do a Shiva Ligum ceremony to it? (I thought only Purusha did that) If not, ridicule away if that makes you happy. But if Mr Pete or others have areas they hold sacred, outside of the boundaries of fair ridicule then its hypocrosy to ridicule sacred areas of others' lives. Agree a 100%. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2005, at 1:16 PM, anonymousff wrote: Frankly, I don't think Dr. Pete was intending bigotry. However, I think his slant and smug comments, while tongue-in-check and thus pluasubly deniable are ridiculing a (to millions) sacred religious practice. Implying they are worthless hokum -- based on the example of one mixed-up white boy. You're right. I can't imagine why Dr. Pete would ever imply that Mr. Pall's yagyas have not done him any good. Must be back on the acid again. I wasn't aware he ever got off of it. When did that happen? Actually, I think you, Dr. Pete and I hae views not too distant from one another. I am more dancing around the nuances and implications of some comments, and relating them to other threads -- maybe just the stick ones in my mind. And I recognize some (a few, not like pages) of Mr. Pall's comments are racist (more implied than stated I think, my views are in line with the Aryan Nation). And the surface irony of his self-improvement journey with such. But to fly off in wild directions again, I don't see much grounds to ridicule him. Of anyone, I think he has been the most frank on this list, honestly stating a self-recognition that he severe problems, stemming from severe and prolonged childhood abuse. And I am awed by his, to me, heroic and constant search for things that will help heal such. He has outlined so many trips seeking healing. Its informative and astonishing. That he goes through a seekers syndrome (which is perhaps quite valid) of thinking his new cure is better than his last is understandable -- I can certainly relate to that. And should not diminish the fact that a next cure may be found at a later time, that is thought to be the best so far. Isn't that what an odessey and search is all about. Trying things, holding on the the effective, prioritizing the better from the lesser, etc. And that from time to time, he has a healing reaction to his therapies is not in the least bit surprising. TMers I think call it unstressing. Doctors often say this is going to hurt some before it gets better. Rolfers (an old body/mind therapy) go through intense pain to get better. Go to they gym and you get sore before you get stronger. Do AV and you have to have some yucky enemas before you get balanced. Are healing reactions any surprise to any of us? And some of Tom's comments and gyrations may simply be a reflection of where he is at. Not a healing reaction but a real expression of a person who has some issues. And quite self-acknowledged issues. Which I find refreshing. Most people I encounter who are screwed up a bit my self included, have difficulty facing and admitting it. I applaud Tom's straightforwardness. Is it our common practice to ridicule someone with a boken leg? Hey look at the gimp -- the way he hops and wobbles is s funny! With cancer? with a bad heart? Then why are we so quick to ridicule someone who admits to some psycho-social disabilities (and as if we all have none), is so on the program in terms of pursuing therapies that he finds to works, in a constant, regular and systematic way? I find his fortitude inspiring. So his present state is not perfect. Whose is? So he has a healing reaction now and then. Who hasn't. So his core personality may not be totally in synch with ours (whose is?). When I read Tom's posts, I just can't dwell or focus on his, IMO fairly short, rants and oddness. It just seems so transitory. I find him to be a bit of a courageous (taking a hard look at himself) and dedicated (keeps climbing that hill of healing) guy. Why laugh at the infirmities? And other than his short interludes of whatever, he provides a lot of good information ahd often humor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why there are far more ants than elephants. And I suppose you are an elephant? Last time I looked in the mirror, I wasn't. You? C'mon, it was an analogy... But arn't you implying that the liberated are elephants (metaphorically) and the no-liberated are ants? And that you are liberated? (And thus like the elephants -- far grander than the ants?) I guess thats the difference between the first category (I have no awareness of boundaries) and the third stage of seekerdom I have no awareness of boundaries, EVER. Sounds like bullshit. Of course there are boundaries. Anyone that doesn't recognize them is not Enlightened, they are *insane*. Rick answered the question of I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? by answering Realizing that you were never bound. Do you disagree with his answer? (This thread is build on responses to it.) You and Rick appear to have polar opposite difintions of liberation. Which of you are living what you expouse? Do you often feel that persons with different views as you as insane? Then there is no seeking, no seeker, no teacher for the seeker, no seeker for the teacher, no boundaries to realize were never there, no ignorance to realize was never there. No co-depenedency, no superiority, no stories. What reality are you describing? Or is it your fantasy? Sounds like your fantasy to me. Funny. Dr. Pete called it a profound insight into liberation. (not that I hold that) Again, what you, Peter, and Rick experience and or talk about appear to be quite different. (Will the real Mr. Liberated please stand up.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have experienced many people with and without the stink of an ego. Are all of the latter liberated? All the former bound? The stink of ego that you are so familiar with transforms into the perfume of Ego in liberation. Just curious? Is that a put down? I can so rarely tell these days. If so, are you saying I am bound by the stinky ego, but you are so much more evolved, the elephant, that all egos smell like perfume? Just curious, is that a distiction your ego is making? Does it feel good? But I must have misunderstood you. Having ant-brain and all, its hard sometimes to grasp bit ideas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is what it means to be liberated. And the upside is what? Being successful in every endeavor undertaken, from the smallest, like cooking a delicious dinner, to larger desires, like having wonderful relationships with others, harmonious family life, success in my career, good health. Come on, it is an infinite list! So being successful is your view of being liberated. No- you asked me what the upside was. I am answering your question in so far as it can be answered. So then what is liberation? Every thing you have said is about fulfillment of desire. What am I missing? The point being, think of all of your desires and what it would be like to fulfill all of them. What if I have no desires? Then you are dead or non-existent. yes. that may be one way of expressing it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I thought you mean't what is considered a credible quote. Obviously something that is gossip and is not published cannot be considered to have any credibility. Does that mean that The National Enquirer is credible because it is published? How about the constant placing of manufactured news in the U.S. press and now in the Iraq press. That's published-does it make it credible Doesn't truth prevail even if/when not published? If your sister or a trusted friend told you something, would you believe it even though it wasn't published? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2005, at 1:16 PM, anonymousff wrote: snip But I digress. My main concern with Dr. Pete was that he was rudely,IMO, making jokes about sacred ceremonies. Well, I've gone back and reread the post, and I didn't see any reference to any ceremonies, sacred or otherwise. Boy, I didn't either. Sal, Judy, I'm placing both of you on retainer. Would $10,000 per month be okay? You must be rich Dr. Pete to throw your money away on such shallow analysis. Dr pete said -- The yagyas are having a wonderful impact on Tom. He's stopped calling African Americans niggers and now kindly refers to them as spearchuckers. The power of yagyas!! -- Perhaps in this group the term yagya is not understood. I assumed it was. My mistake. In a yagya, chants of gods names and adorations, as well as many auspicious and sacred things, fruit, flowers, spices, milk, coconuts, etc are offered to a direct representation of a diety -- a statue aka murti, or an open pit of fire, representing the divine. I think in most lexicons, in most people's vocabularies, this would count as a sacred ceremony. Not that all would hold it sacred personally, but would hold it as a sacred ceremony of some religion. For example, a jew may not hold persoally hold communion as a sacred ceremony, but recognizes it as a scared ceremnony of catholics -- and many other christians. So sorry that I assumed the term yagya was understood in this group and that referrencing it as a sacred ceremony was so foreign to apparently so many. But speaking of references, Mr Pall made no reference in his post to niggers or spearchuckers. Mr Pete appears to be referencing past discussion. Something I was also doing --- as well as an assumed commonality of knowledge [see above]. Just curious, I wonder if Dr pete said -- The taking of the catholic holy communion is having a wonderful impact on Tom. He's stopped calling African Americans niggers and now kindly refers to them as spearchuckers. The power of catholic holy communion. !! -- Would this have been viewed as, at least slightly, sarcastic, bigoted, or out of place, a derogatory comment on a sacred ceremony (as viewed by believers) -- or at least a bit of slur against someone's personal beliefs? Or maybe at least a cheap shot? What if Dr pete said -- The offering of puja to Guru Dev every day is having a wonderful impact on Tom. He's stopped calling African Americans niggers and now kindly refers to them as spearchuckers. The offering of puja to Gura Dev every day. !! -- But the larger point, as discussed in an adjacent post, is not the slurs on sacred ceremonies but rather belittling someone who has acknowledged deep disabilites and is vigorously seeking recovery. [But I'm easy. I can fit in. Hey for fun tonight, wanna all go down to the AA meeting and make fun of the drunks! ] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/3/05 5:34 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's astonishing is that after so much seeking, if that's what he's done, he has pretty much seemed to stay right where he is. Now the years are rolling by me, they are rockin¹ even me I am older than I once was, and younger than I¹ll be, that¹s not unusual No it isn¹t strange, after changes upon changes, we are more or less the same After changes we are more or less the same. Simon Garfunkel ³The Boxer² I am not as good as I once was ... But once, I am good as I ever was ... Toby Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:32 PM, anonymousff wrote: And I recognize some (a few, not like pages) of Mr. Pall's comments are racist (more implied than stated I think, my views are in line with the Aryan Nation). Yes, I agree, there certainly is a lot of ambiguity Does imlied mean raises ambiguity in Iowa? I want to be senstive to regional differences in my writing. in being in line with the Aryan Nation. To help resolve that ambiguity I imagine he'll be getting bar-mitzvahed any day now. At the rate hes going, he may try that. And the surface irony of his self-improvement journey with such. But to fly off in wild directions again, I don't see much grounds to ridicule him. Of anyone, I think he has been the most frank on this list, honestly stating a self-recognition that he severe problems, stemming from severe and prolonged childhood abuse. There are plenty of ways of dealing with that, some more effective than others, depending on the person. I have a funny feeing, though, that spouting bigotry isn't one of them. And for him, know his case history as you apparently do, are? And just curious, have you ever met a rude long term TMer? There are plenty of ways of dealing with that situation other than rudeness,, some more effective than others, depending on the person -- but damn, in 30 years the poor TMer hasn't found it. Sometimes what OUGHT to be is the same as WHAT IS. And I am awed by his, to me, heroic and constant search for things that will help heal such. He has outlined so many trips seeking healing. Its informative and astonishing. What's astonishing is that after so much seeking, if that's what he's done, he has pretty much seemed to stay right where he is. And you are clear on where he began? What abuse he had, for how long? how it affected his social skills? And with all your seeking you are now dazzling and flawless? (I mean you seem so to me, but I just was wondering if have some darker moments too) That he goes through a seekers syndrome (which is perhaps quite valid) of thinking his new cure is better than his last is understandable -- I can certainly relate to that. And should not diminish the fact that a next cure may be found at a later time, that is thought to be the best so far. Isn't that what an odessey and search is all about. Trying things, holding on the the effective, prioritizing the better from the lesser, etc. And that from time to time, he has a healing reaction to his therapies is not in the least bit surprising. TMers I think call it unstressing. Doctors often say this is going to hurt some before it gets better. Rolfers (an old body/mind therapy) go through intense pain to get better. Go to they gym and you get sore before you get stronger. Do AV and you have to have some yucky enemas before you get balanced. Are healing reactions any surprise to any of us? And some of Tom's comments and gyrations may simply be a reflection of where he is at. Not a healing reaction but a real expression of a person who has some issues. And quite self-acknowledged issues. Which I find refreshing. Most people I encounter who are screwed up a bit my self included, have difficulty facing and admitting it. I applaud Tom's straightforwardness. Is it our common practice to ridicule someone with a boken leg? Hey look at the gimp -- the way he hops and wobbles is s funny! With cancer? with a bad heart? Then why are we so quick to ridicule someone who admits to some psycho-social disabilities (and as if we all have none), is so on the program in terms of pursuing therapies that he finds to works, in a constant, regular and systematic way? I find his fortitude inspiring. Tom asks for it, Anon. He sends hit-and-run posts and then ridicules people even *before* they respond--kind of preemptively, I guess you could say. I can't believe that is part of your definition of seeking. I hope not. Again, from another angle, are you a psychiatrist? Have you diagnosed Tom? Are you aware of his case history? If not, how can you say, x number of years should have shaped him up just fine. How many 30 year TMers do you know who are still way screwed up? So his present state is not perfect. Whose is? So he has a healing reaction now and then. Who hasn't. So his core personality may not be totally in synch with ours (whose is?). When I read Tom's posts, I just can't dwell or focus on his, IMO fairly short, rants and oddness. It just seems so transitory. I find him to be a bit of a courageous (taking a hard look at himself) and dedicated (keeps climbing that hill of healing) guy. Why laugh at the infirmities? And other than his short interludes of whatever, he provides a lot of good information ahd often humor. I must
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine I must have missed those posts--really. To me they are all attention-seeking and about at the level of your average high-schooler And sometime people miss some of Tom's humor. He has a subtle wit. Or will lead you down a road of your own gullability. Case in point, I found his ending, about the lengths he is going to to stop anyone contacting him, pretty funny. There is an exaggeration of the lengths he is willing to take to not have to talk to the flakes here -- its funny. Its like the next line would be, And if that isn't enough, I am going to set up a separate internet so I don't have to talk to any of you goof-ball whinning morons. And if thats not enough, I am going to move my PCs to the moon. And if thats not enough, I am going to And that ladies in gentlemen is how low I think of all of you. Its sort of jon lovits (snl)like in comedic form. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
