Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: When one starts TM, cruder values are replaced by finer values, speech is less sharp
Maybe he has a chess table, where he moves the players around, depending on their perceived importance. I guess the corner where he has the DNR's grows each week. But, man oh man does he jump on those posts by those he still deems worthy to read. I am glad he is so thankful he left this cult he rails so much about, forty years ago. We know he left this cult, and has no interest in it, because he told us so. I guess, maybe he thinks we're hard of hearing. It is true, we are all getting older, but so far, my hearing is doing fine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : This is the tell Ann, and this has always been the tell for most behaviors. When they feel the need to tell you, over over that you are cult apologist, then the likelihood is that you are not a cult apologist. When they tell you over and over, maybe three of four times a day, up to a dozen times, that TM has muddled your brain, when you haven't practiced the technique in a regular fashion for about 20 years, then the likelihood is that you are not a cult apologist. When they exempt themselves from most any bias but constantly accuse you, or anyone who expresses a contrary opinion to theirs as evidence of being in a cult, then the likelihood is that you are not a cult apologist. There are many more, but that is what I come up with off the top of my head. Good points, Steve. I also have to say that I am thoroughly enjoying your posts these days. I also find it hysterical that about the same time I get a kick out of your contributions here, bawee has added you to his D list of don't wanna read 'cause they're mean jerks who don't look on me as a world wise authority on how to live my life folder. Do you think that's a coincidence or is bawee just a predictable boor/bore?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Okay, I don't know if I mentioned this before. Maybe I did, but I did snicker when Barry made that great to-do about walking around Amsterdam and going in and out of the different dimensions. I think he had some newagey word for it. It reminded me of a couple of summers ago when my daughter and I took in New York in two days, walking most everywhere. Of course we noticed all the different neighborhoods, from China Town to Greenich Village to Midtown to Upper East Side to name just a few. I mean anyone would notice the different feel of the neighborhoods. The fact that someone would feel the need to frame it as the specialness of We traversed the different dimensions, and looked at one another with a look of remarkable synchronicity that we were dimensional travelers on a special journey just made me giggle a little. Look, it was special day for Barry. I don't mean to take anything from it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My eyes hurt from rolling as much as they have reading about all of this. Living mainly among real-world Dutch people who don't tend to believe in Woo Woo, I sometimes forget how insane those who *do* believe in Woo Woo can get, and how strongly they feel that the things they believe in are rational, once they've invested in believing them. For a moment, I thought, Wow...at least I'm glad that most of the former Rama students seem to be more grounded than the former TM students, but then, only seconds afterwards, I stumbled upon something posted on FB by a young'un from that study who I don't know that made me roll my eyes even more: Yesterday, I met a Holistic Dentist in Ventura, CA who told me she had a life altering experience after meeting a turtle who spoke to her while scuba diving off the coast of Hawaii. There is no doubt in my mind that was Rama. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that there is simply no ceiling to the kinds of things people will believe if it makes them feel more self-important. If someone claimed to see Maharishi's face (or Rama's) on a piece of toast and that it talked to them, there are people out there whose brains are so weak that they'd consider it believable and would wait with 'bated breath to hear the message. We're just lucky that no one on FFL has claimed to be in beyond-the-grave contact with Guru Dev. Oh wait. That's already happened, hasn't it? Just goes to show ya that Woo Woo Insanity and I see dead people consciousness is pretty much everywhere. :-) And the difference between seeing those who have died (ghosts) and traveling through time portals and seeing the world as it was centuries ago as one walks the streets of Amsterdam is, exactly, what bawee? Get a grip, get real and cease, for one teeny beentsy moment, your hypocrisy and double standard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Military is no safety factor
I am surprised you haven't mentioned the Oy Veda yet. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Hi Dan, you just equated the Torah with the Veda. Why? What is the similarity, and connection? I am curious, not challenging the association. Does the Torah also contain vibratory formulas for the generation of life and diversity? Fleet, Vernon Katz began mapping the similarities while working with Maharishi on Bhagavad-Gita Translation and Commentary. Maharishi directed Vernon to continue the investigation. Dr Katz encouraged Barbara Holdrege to focus more specifically on Jewish traditions concerning the status and role of the Torah in creation and revelation. MMY described certain brahmanical conceptions of Veda as the eternal knowledge that is the source and blueprint of creation. To Dr Holdrege these resonated with certain notions of biblical revelation in the Bible. Every Jew understands Torah as 'Law. It is the Creation itself. During The High Holy Days we are admonish to Live Torah, Be Torah. I have an extensive library here of this important work. You can read Barbara's Veda and Torah: Transcending the Textuality of Scripture, or contact her at the University of California Santa Barbara. she is more knowledgeable than I. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Maharishi's Special Message to New York https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txhI2-G3DNs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txhI2-G3DNs Maharishi's Special Message to New York https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txhI2-G3DNs http://www.tm.org Maharishi's Special Message to New York Reporter: I have one final question Maharishi: Do you have any special message for the people of ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txhI2-G3DNs Preview by Yahoo Wonderful! Maharishi is making points even more significant now: Military is no safety factor. This is the time to come out on these new reflections on a government Maharishi directs himself to the People. People can be guided by Natural Law. Right now, as I write, there are a hundred thousand NY Jews in Temple, hearing a very similar message: Follow Torah (VEDA). I want New York to always be new. As the Jewish New Year approaches I wish the best for Everybody.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Traffic Light' Found on Mars
Lee Hazlewood - Nancy Sinatra, Some Velvet Morning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-SVPJM4L4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-SVPJM4L4 Lee Hazlewood - Nancy Sinatra, Some Velvet Morning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-SVPJM4L4 Lee Hazlewood - Nancy Sinatra, Some Velvet Morning, NBC television special Movin' With Nancy in 1967. Lee Hazlewood's passing made me think of t... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-SVPJM4L4 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Now I HAVE TO admit it...I blow kisses to rocks! And flowers and trees and squirrels, etc. Gotta keep the love flowing, no matter the target. imho (-: kiss kiss kiss On Friday, September 26, 2014 7:48 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : snip: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Here's another curiosity from Mars. What do you think? I think it's a rock. Either that or their civilisation died out because of poor quality municipal infrastructure. Sal, Fleet is expert on all things rock. Share and I just feel them One for you and Share. This is on Gabriola Island just a few miles from where I live. We're commin' to your house! I'm sleepin' in your... rock I skipped over Rick Archer's Post to get to Dear Ann's Kind Invitation to visit, right away. I'm packin' as I'm Posting. Share, bring shampoo, I don't remember those TSA Rules and often end up donating my liquids to their families. Did Rick Archer write another infomertial or is it his regular 'Anonomous Attack' that begins a guy gave this to a guy i don't know about a thing i am not saying, but he's saying. The first guy, i mean.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Mikey, you sound like a little boy who has an Uncle who is coming over to his house with a signed Derek Jeter baseball. Calm down son, it will likely all be a lot less than you anticipate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you sycophants can mock all you like - you are just trying to avoid the obvious - the Movement is a mess and Hagelin is running scared that this Hammond guy's event with Jerry Jarvis's support will seriously damage the Movement's attempt to sanitize its image and make everyone think its all vanilla ice cream. The fact that Jarvis has been a Movement straight arrow all these years and never walked away from Marshy even when the old geezer tossed Jarvis aside and marginalized his position in the TMO, and Jerry now stands behind Hammond's assertion that he is communicating directly with Marshy spells real trouble for the Movement. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. Nailed it! - signed woo woo boy Eddie Holman Hey There Lonely Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Eddie Holman Hey There Lonely Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Soultry Sounds From Eddie Holman View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. I offer a collective sigh as well. Shall we also offer pity? If bawee isn't the one experiencing the woo woo then it is damnable woo woo and something to be scoffed at. But as long as he's the one nipping through portals and watching enlightened, afro-haired gurus hovering and surrounded in bliss-filled golden light then it's great. It's so great, in fact, that he will look down on us poor wretches who have failed to 'grok' it all and who, apparently, don't have the spiritual cojones to be worthy of such experiences. I mean, all you can do is laugh and feel a small tweak of empathy for the guy. I mean it. PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. There's nothing like a true narcissist to have to read all there is to read about themselves.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Traffic Light' Found on Mars
Well, can you deny that love, the force of attraction, is the most powerful force in the universe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Love, like the wind, always here. We just have to put up our sails and catch it (-: On Friday, September 26, 2014 10:40 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Now I HAVE TO admit it...I blow kisses to rocks! And flowers and trees and squirrels, etc. Gotta keep the love flowing, no matter the target. imho (-: kiss kiss kiss It took a few posts But I Knew We'd get To Love
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Your comment Sal, kinda remind me of the scientific version of new age gobbly guk. Just a lot of clever terms thrown together to try to make it looks like something makes sense. A bunch of speculation from a narrow perspective. Maybe you spend too much time in your head? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This guy who thinks he's in conversation with Maharishi is probably just talking to his inner idea of what Maharishi is like - this is grade school parapsychology Absolutely. That's were discrimination of the intellect, or intuition as some will call it, comes into play. Some folks are creating a stirr and just talking to his inner idea of what Maharishi is like, others are having conversations because it is a natural thing. We know Maharishi as one of the greatest friends of humanity of all times, and this friendship does not stop with the passing of the body. Now, wheter there is a afterlife and therefore someone to talk to, we do not know. Maharishi once commented that God took away our memory of the past for our own good, we do not remember and we do not need to know. I've belived in reincarnation from an early age and at some point you've probably been a prostitue and a murderer and so have I, but there is nothing regarding that information that is helpful today. At least he spotted the main objection I have, I think it would be extremely useful to remember previous lives (or at least information gained therein) Evolutionary speaking knowing where enemies lived and where the best food was would be of inestimable value so I can't see how we wouldn't have made use of that ability if it was possible. But then our memories are encoded in our brain cells so any detachable soul wouldn't be able to take them with us. as memories are fundamental to what we are it must be baffling to wonder how Marshy (or anyone) could be speaking to us. But the main problem of course are the laws of thermodynamics. Consciousness is a process that requires a lot of energy, without that energy and the body to transform it from where it is into a form we can use, consciousness dies. If there was some sort of component in us that was detachable it would need a power source. The spiritual realm must be strange indeed if it doesn't. What part of me would it be that was once a prostitute or murderer or whatever I was, that goes on? Without memories and consciousness and all my learned or instinctive responses I don't know what else there is that could be said to be me?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Excellent reply Dan. The drone goes on forever seemingly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Benjy, Marshy - two hucksters and Nappy, one brain addled sycophant. Barry, can I just rely on Michael's synopsis to capture the essence of your remarks? While I cannot disagree, I think it is useful every so often to remember that at one point WE were sycophants, too. So what was in it for the sycophant? I think that the thing that is in it for the sycophant is self importance. If the teacher in question is telling them that they are the most important people on the planet, and so important that every thud of their butt on the foam sends forth Wondrous Waves Of Woo Woo to transform the universe into a better place, some people are actually going to buy that. For a while. It's just that *still* believing it all these decades later strikes me as a bit much to ask. :-) Personally, I think that one of the most useful pieces of neuroscience would be a study that managed to visualize in the brain the exact moment in which someone decides This guy is enlightened and telling me the truth and therefore everything he ever says from now on will be truth. If we knew what that looked like on the level of brain chemistry, we might someday be able to prevent it. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Barry's line that he trots out, is that this is part of his study of cult mentality. He has no skin in this game. It is done for altruistic purposes either for him or for the reporters' who follow him, or that he reports to. I believe he is also on record, that his purpose here is not to engage in any real dialog, but to push buttons. I guess he feels, that gives him distance. So, how would you even know when to take something he says seriously. If he could shelve some of the intolerance and hubris, and insults, and just come to the table as an equal, albeit with an edge, then I think it'd be a nice interaction. It was the synopsis Jim gave a couple of weeks ago, that I think most accurately captured the reality of it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Excellent reply Dan. The drone goes on forever seemingly. I can attest to the forever. My question is: Why is bawee so defensive and so intolerant of other's viewpoints? This is a person who just can't stomach the idea that others think differently than him and when they do (which is very, very often) he attacks them personally and viciously. I have never met anyone like him. I wonder if he realizes what he does and how it makes him look. And there are a couple of people here who actually support him in this. Astounding. I mean, what do they think he's saying most of the time that is even remotely true or interesting or without deep, distorted prejudice? Perhaps they just feel pity for him, just like bawee professes to pity all those who chose to live their lives differently than he does. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Benjy, Marshy - two hucksters and Nappy, one brain addled sycophant. Barry, can I just rely on Michael's synopsis to capture the essence of your remarks? While I cannot disagree, I think it is useful every so often to remember that at one point WE were sycophants, too. So what was in it for the sycophant? I think that the thing that is in it for the sycophant is self importance. If the teacher in question is telling them that they are the most important people on the planet, and so important that every thud of their butt on the foam sends forth Wondrous Waves Of Woo Woo to transform the universe into a better place, some people are actually going to buy that. For a while. It's just that *still* believing it all these decades later strikes me as a bit much to ask. :-) Personally, I think that one of the most useful pieces of neuroscience would be a study that managed to visualize in the brain the exact moment in which someone decides This guy is enlightened and telling me the truth and therefore everything he ever says from now on will be truth. If we knew what that looked like on the level of brain chemistry, we might someday be able to prevent it. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Dang Dan, This Jewish new year is bringing out the wisdom from you! Steve, Fellow Tribesman Dearest Ann, Again you raise a very interesting question, with great sincerity. I believe, and this is just me observing only words on paper (or is it bits on clouds?) that Barry, but not only Barry, has had experience with the Transcendent enough for him not to dismiss them. Thus he's lived Them, but also lived without Them. An analogy would be Purgatory here on Earth. But I also feel that, human life being what it is, one who is not conflicted - spiritually or otherwise - has either already arrived or not yet confronted his demons. As for all this pity, it may be well-meaning, conjured up, or misplaced. That's for others to say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Benjy, Marshy - two hucksters and Nappy, one brain addled sycophant. Barry, can I just rely on Michael's synopsis to capture the essence of your remarks? While I cannot disagree, I think it is useful every so often to remember that at one point WE were sycophants, too. So what was in it for the sycophant? I think that the thing that is in it for the sycophant is self importance. If the teacher in question is telling them that they are the most important people on the planet, and so important that every thud of their butt on the foam sends forth Wondrous Waves Of Woo Woo to transform the universe into a better place, some people are actually going to buy that. For a while. It's just that *still* believing it all these decades later strikes me as a bit much to ask. :-) Personally, I think that one of the most useful pieces of neuroscience would be a study that managed to visualize in the brain the exact moment in which someone decides This guy is enlightened and telling me the truth and therefore everything he ever says from now on will be truth. If we knew what that looked like on the level of brain chemistry, we might someday be able to prevent it. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Or maybe it's like someone else pointed out here. You know enough about something to make an insightful remark. But then you seem to want to elevate that opinion to gospel, whether it be brain functioning or physiology, or some other subject. One clue: this statement, that we've sussed about just everything there is to know about gravity, as a response to refute some other opinion. I guess you miss the rather narrow perspective this implies ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Your comment Sal, kinda remind me of the scientific version of new age gobbly guk. Just a lot of clever terms thrown together to try to make it looks like something makes sense. A bunch of speculation from a narrow perspective. Maybe you spend too much time in your head? What do you want a graduate thesis? Maybe you should do some bookwork, learn what the gobbledegook means then you won't find it all so baffling. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This guy who thinks he's in conversation with Maharishi is probably just talking to his inner idea of what Maharishi is like - this is grade school parapsychology Absolutely. That's were discrimination of the intellect, or intuition as some will call it, comes into play. Some folks are creating a stirr and just talking to his inner idea of what Maharishi is like, others are having conversations because it is a natural thing. We know Maharishi as one of the greatest friends of humanity of all times, and this friendship does not stop with the passing of the body. Now, wheter there is a afterlife and therefore someone to talk to, we do not know. Maharishi once commented that God took away our memory of the past for our own good, we do not remember and we do not need to know. I've belived in reincarnation from an early age and at some point you've probably been a prostitue and a murderer and so have I, but there is nothing regarding that information that is helpful today. At least he spotted the main objection I have, I think it would be extremely useful to remember previous lives (or at least information gained therein) Evolutionary speaking knowing where enemies lived and where the best food was would be of inestimable value so I can't see how we wouldn't have made use of that ability if it was possible. But then our memories are encoded in our brain cells so any detachable soul wouldn't be able to take them with us. as memories are fundamental to what we are it must be baffling to wonder how Marshy (or anyone) could be speaking to us. But the main problem of course are the laws of thermodynamics. Consciousness is a process that requires a lot of energy, without that energy and the body to transform it from where it is into a form we can use, consciousness dies. If there was some sort of component in us that was detachable it would need a power source. The spiritual realm must be strange indeed if it doesn't. What part of me would it be that was once a prostitute or murderer or whatever I was, that goes on? Without memories and consciousness and all my learned or instinctive responses I don't know what else there is that could be said to be me?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Stop it Richard. I think you're treading too close to the truth. Or at least the first two lines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Excellent reply Dan. The drone goes on forever seemingly. On 9/27/2014 8:41 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I can attest to the forever. My question is: Why is bawee so defensive and so intolerant of other's viewpoints? This is a person who just can't stomach the idea that others think differently than him and when they do (which is very, very often) he attacks them personally and viciously. I have never met anyone like him. I wonder if he realizes what he does and how it makes him look. And there are a couple of people here who actually support him in this. Astounding. I mean, what do they think he's saying most of the time that is even remotely true or interesting or without deep, distorted prejudice? Perhaps they just feel pity for him, just like bawee professes to pity all those who chose to live their lives differently than he does. Maybe he has a lonely inner-child inside himself, who sometimes lashes out with rage against an authority figure. Maybe he criticizes other informants so as to avoid the cognitive dissonance of his own past. Maybe that's his way of facing his own karma and the part he played in promoting the Woo Woo; a way to compensate for his failure to become a great spiritual teacher.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: A billionaire who gets it
I think he's wrong. In the past people didn't have food to eat. Now we have food to eat, reasonable shelter, and entertainment galore. What are they going to get up in arms about? That that super rich are able to eat better food, travel more, have luxurious accommodations, or are able to attend sporting events in person when everyone else has to watch them on a flat screen, high definition TV? Relatively speaking, everyone here has it reasonable well, except those on the bottom end. And even they have food to eat. Am I being callous, or just realistic? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Billionaire Nick Hanauer thinks that a revolution could occur in the good ol' US if inequality continues. http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-28068277 http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-28068277 You betcha!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg
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Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was all in during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was all in during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have
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Jeez Michael, I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only real spiritual path, and neither did you. The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and therefore the most effective. Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim. As others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique. It worked for me, and I've had nice experiences. That is all I care to say. Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas. Do I believe MMY achieved enlightenment? Yes, I do. Do I think things got strange at some point? Yes, again. Do I retain a warm spot for MMY? Yes. And it has grown over time, even though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of. And it's been a gas! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was all in during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A billionaire who gets it
Are you talkin urban or rural? I think we've all seen scenes of rural poverty, both white and black. I would guess that in the country you are less accessible to the safety nets, but they are there nonetheless. As Jim has said, people do have access to food via food stamps and other private food banks, and shelters. I see that every day in the area I work. I don't see people starving. And now the govmint are taking steps to remove any stigma children had in eating free meals in school, as I understand it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Come here to the South and go into some of the African American sections - plenty of people living in shacks there. I grew up around it, and its still here. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A billionaire who gets it People in the US are incredibly spoiled, and have a fantasy view of the rest of the world. When I see beggars at every house, and people starving, I will be concerned. When I see the poor in rags here, and living in shacks, I will be concerned about a revolution. One thing I *never* saw in third world countries, were able bodied men, begging. I see it all the time here. The USA doesn't even know poverty as it exists elsewhere, and if, as you say, people starve here, (which I have never heard about) it is out of ignorance, as food is always available. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Homeless do starve in the US. And indeed corporate run food establishments throw away food at the end of the and fire workers who give this food to the homeless. We had a case of that at Starbucks recently right here in Martinez. Twenty years ago I would suspect folks in Greece would have laughed at anyone who suggested a day would come when there would be riots over food but that's what is happening in that country today. I see the steps toward austerity coming to the US in fact it is already here. Excuse while I go sharpen my pitchforks. On 07/01/2014 09:49 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have to agree with Steve - People in the US have it incredibly easy compared to the poor countries in the world. Even the homeless here don't starve. However, I also heard on the news last night, that at a UC school (for those out of state: University of California - the highest tier of public education in the state, e.g. Berkeley, or Santa Barbara), one year of tuition and boarding, costs $33,000! Four years is $132,000! Sheer insanity - no one can begin, even a professional career, with such a burden of debt. There is so much padding in this country, economically, that we are a long way from civil violence, but dysfunctional elements in our higher education system don't help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : You haven't been reading about the increasing food prices? Where do you live? In some big retirement community where everyone is flush and doesn't understand why people are getting pissed? Revolutions are fomented by the young, not old farts like us. And when they can't get jobs after racking up a huge college loan the shit will hit the fan. Believe me. Now, I mentioned a solution earlier. Check it out. Mikey won't like it though. :-D On 06/30/2014 05:43 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think he's wrong. In the past people didn't have food to eat. Now we have food to eat, reasonable shelter, and entertainment galore. What are they going to get up in arms about? That that super rich are able to eat better food, travel more, have luxurious accommodations, or are able to attend sporting events in person when everyone else has to watch them on a flat screen, high definition TV? Relatively speaking, everyone here has it reasonable well, except those on the bottom end. And even they have food to eat. Am I being callous, or just realistic? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Billionaire Nick Hanauer thinks that a revolution could occur in the good ol' US if inequality continues. http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-28068277 http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-28068277 You betcha!
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how many others had the impression, given by the TMO that TM was the one true path of spirituality? show of hands...almost no one? but always nice to know that I don't know jack shit about what you believe, but you know for certain MMY was not enlightened. You are funny guy Michael. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right. Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he most certainly was not enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Jeez Michael, I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only real spiritual path, and neither did you. The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and therefore the most effective. Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim. As others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique. It worked for me, and I've had nice experiences. That is all I care to say. Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas. Do I believe MMY achieved enlightenment? Yes, I do. Do I think things got strange at some point? Yes, again. Do I retain a warm spot for MMY? Yes. And it has grown over time, even though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of. And it's been a gas! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was all in during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like
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very funny! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KPzX8RXems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KPzX8RXems
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A billionaire who gets it
Hell, where I live now, you have dilapidated housing stock within two to three block of fancy homes in the City of St. Louis. Some of it has been targeted for revitalization. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : In the town I grew up, Laurens, SC there were tin roofed unpainted shacks inhabited by black people literally within a few minutes walk from the big fancy houses of some of the wealthiest people in town. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A billionaire who gets it I have to agree, Michael, having also grown up in the South. If you have any doubts that shanty towns still exist in America, all you have to do is watch True Detective, filmed in modern-day Louisiana. One of the most effective visual effects in the show was just to show miles and miles of such landscapes in aerial pan shots. They worked because it was good cinematography, but also because many of us in the audience were saying to ourselves, But wait...there aren't *really* places in America that look this poor, are there? There are. With regard to poverty elsewhere, I can speak from more recent experience about New Mexico. It is the second-poorest state in America, and it shows. The shacks in New Mexico may be made of adobe instead of found lumber, but that's only because mud is easier to find in the desert. The current percentage of people living below the poverty line in New Mexico is 19.5% If that figure surprises you, the same figure for the United States as a whole is 14.9%. The middle class is in some ways worse off, living with low salary levels that make working at McDonald's look like a good job. When I lived there, over 50% of the population had no health insurance and no auto insurance, because they couldn't afford to pay for that and also pay for rent and food. Living in Santa Fe, I *could* have remained unaware of how upscale it was, and how atypical of life in the rest of the state it was. But I chose to wander further, and thus drove, hiked, and rode horses through a lot of the desert on the outskirts of Santa Fe and in neighboring towns, and thus got a real education in what life in America is really about. America is all about *hiding* its poverty levels, and pretending that they don't exist. Thus it's easy to understand that many people who never leave their middle-class cocoons don't believe it exists. It exists. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A billionaire who gets it Come here to the South and go into some of the African American sections - plenty of people living in shacks there. I grew up around it, and its still here. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A billionaire who gets it People in the US are incredibly spoiled, and have a fantasy view of the rest of the world. When I see beggars at every house, and people starving, I will be concerned. When I see the poor in rags here, and living in shacks, I will be concerned about a revolution. One thing I *never* saw in third world countries, were able bodied men, begging. I see it all the time here. The USA doesn't even know poverty as it exists elsewhere, and if, as you say, people starve here, (which I have never heard about) it is out of ignorance, as food is always available. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Homeless do starve in the US. And indeed corporate run food establishments throw away food at the end of the and fire workers who give this food to the homeless. We had a case of that at Starbucks recently right here in Martinez. Twenty years ago I would suspect folks in Greece would have laughed at anyone who suggested a day would come when there would be riots over food but that's what is happening in that country today. I see the steps toward austerity coming to the US in fact it is already here. Excuse while I go sharpen my pitchforks. On 07/01/2014 09:49 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have to agree with Steve - People in the US have it incredibly easy compared to the poor countries in the world. Even the homeless here don't starve. However, I also heard on the news last night, that at a UC school (for those out of state: University of California - the highest tier of public education in the state, e.g. Berkeley, or Santa Barbara), one year of tuition and boarding, costs $33,000! Four years is $132,000!
Re: [FairfieldLife] King Lear: The Sequel
you see this across the spectrum - in the political arena, culture arena. Critics love to say, now, so and so has really sunk to a new low Maybe they really don't realize that they said the same thing, probably two weeks ago, or maybe two days ago. Two hours ago, Michael? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not surprising but it feels like the Movement has sunk to a new low. Are the UK TM'ers stupid enough to accept that excuse? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2014 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] King Lear: The Sequel ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh come on! Are you hearing this from official Movement people there in the UK??? Yep, it's a fairly common excuse to cover the almost complete failure of the big projects. I think it's a rationalisation that shows them in a good light, as in It wasn't supposed to work anyway because it was for our spiritual development. Coincidentally, The Towers of Invincibility was the last project that they got away with asking for donations without a guarantee that the money would be used solely for that particular project. The next one was the world yagya programme, 'Give me a billion dollars and I'll save the world!' said Marshy. No, said everyone else - not unless we get our money back if it doesn't happen. -- The excuse they use now for all the constant disappointments and failed projects is that it was all a yagya for the people taking part, a way of breaking down ego's and developing new skills. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2014 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] King Lear: The Sequel I was at the presentation of our Tower of Invincibility, they had a little model of it and brochures about how many units have been sold, both apartments and offices. There were photos of the foundation stone being laid somewhere and it all sounded very positive. It wasn't my first brush with movement hyperbole though and I was sceptical they were going to achieve it. I'd realised by the that they went through regular phases of The Idea, then the fundraising, thennothing. I don't think they are deliberately just taking money - I think they really had the intention to build/achieve everything they set out to. At least at the grassroots level. The excuse they use now for all the constant disappointments and failed projects is that it was all a yagya for the people taking part, a way of breaking down ego's and developing new skills. Tune your mind to the master, nothing to do with the actual projects! It's a fine excuse for a life spent not achieving anything and I wouldn't mind a bit IF they hadn't involved the unwary punter in donating fortunes towards it all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Since no one replied with any hard data, I have to assume that none of the pledged Maharishi Towers of Invincibility ever got built. The only things one can find on Google about them are pitches to suckers and governments to donate money to build them. The only photo of one I can find on Google is the tiny one at MUM; all others are drawings and computer simulations on the begging sites. Looks to me as if even Maharishi's last mad act was a failure. http://www.maharishitowerofinvincibility.org/welcome/ http://www.maharishitowerofinvincibility.org/welcome/ http://www.maharishitowerofinvincibility.org/a-tower-of-total-knowledge/ http://www.maharishitowerofinvincibility.org/a-tower-of-total-knowledge/ http://www.globalcountry.org/wp/current-projects-2/tower-of-invincibility-for-every-nation/ http://www.globalcountry.org/wp/current-projects-2/tower-of-invincibility-for-every-nation/ From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] King Lear: The Sequel OK, here's a question for those closer to the action, TM-wise. Do you remember Maharishi's last days, when he was acting out his own version of Shakespeare's King Lear by having all the Rajas gazing at him over closed-circuit television vie with each other to see who was willing to pledge to build the biggest, tallest, and most phallic Tower Of Invincibility in his honor? I do. And as I remember it, several of these guys who had already paid a million bucks just to be in the room promised -- Goneril- and Regan-like -- to build these magnificent edifices. So did they ever get built? Other than at MUM and Vlodrop and probably at Maharishi's gravesite in India, did these guys follow through on their pledges to erect these
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
Thanks Richard ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 7/3/2014 11:17 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I'm 99.9% sure that Steve did not write the quote to which you responded in the post I'm replying to. Where is Dr. Netiquette when we need him? (-: Correction: Steve wrote: Hey Michael, Good piece. But after you finish patting yourself on the back.there. I don't mind your opinions. My request would be that you try to have back up a statement if you are presenting it as fact. You know what they say about the two, right? Opinions and facts. And if you are inconsistent in what you say, people will point it out. And they are not cult apologists for doing so. I'm afraid this last point will not sink in, even a drop. Sounds like you have a fulfilling life. That's nice to hear!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8,000 Year Old Indian City Irradiated by Atomic Blast
I have always been fascinated by the idea that there were nuclear weapons of some type back in ancient times. I'm not seeing a lot of woo woo in this piece. Just a mystery. And no one seems intent on pushing an agenda. More a earth phenomenon on one side and a curious report on the other and a possible explanation. But Age of Enlightenment? Where does that come in? Or is that the mandatory bash? I guess it is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It sounds like the age of enlightenment wasn't all it's been cracked up to be. I hope that we do better now we have revived all the ancient wisdom of gaining invincibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : 8,000 Year Old Indian City Irradiated by Atomic Blast http://www.indiadivine.org/news/science-and-nature/8000-year-old-indian-city-irradiated-by-atomic-r758
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8,000 Year Old Indian City Irradiated by Atomic Blast
Oh, okay. Thanks for your reply. You are probably right Sal, but I've read different accounts of periods in pre-recorded history that I find interesting. Perhaps, like you, I'd love to see some convincing evidence. Thanks for shedding a little additional light on this particular finding. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I have always been fascinated by the idea that there were nuclear weapons of some type back in ancient times. There weren't any. This was in the Bronze age, the high water mark of technology was poor quality swords and ploughs made from deer shoulder blades. You won't be splitting any atoms with that stuff. Jeez, they'd only just invented glazed pots when the Indus valley civilisation collapsed! I'm not seeing a lot of woo woo in this piece. Just a mystery. And no one seems intent on pushing an agenda. More a earth phenomenon on one side and a curious report on the other and a possible explanation. No woo, just interpreting myths as reality. Most ancient cities were destroyed by fire even those in the supposedly peaceful Indus valley I have never come across radioactive skeletons anywhere else. The trouble with ancient conspiracy theories like these is that anyone who discovers something paradigm shifting gets world notoriety and I don't see that happening. But Age of Enlightenment? Where does that come in? Or is that the mandatory bash? I guess it is. Don't be so sensitive, it's a wind up. Nabby would, in any other post, be telling us how fabulous the ancient vedic civilisation was. If they blew themselves up it makes the historical foundation of Marshy's attempt to re-introduce the perfect knowledge of the seers look rather embarrassing. Which is how it actually is anyway because the vedic civilisation you get taught about never existed, what was there met the same fate that other civilisations did. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It sounds like the age of enlightenment wasn't all it's been cracked up to be. I hope that we do better now we have revived all the ancient wisdom of gaining invincibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : 8,000 Year Old Indian City Irradiated by Atomic Blast http://www.indiadivine.org/news/science-and-nature/8000-year-old-indian-city-irradiated-by-atomic-r758
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
You are so knowledgeable about so many things Michael. And so certain too. I am not a big believer in jyotish or astrology, but I sure am willing to keep an open mind about it. I would go so far as say that the alignment of the stars and planets at our time of birth, do have some real effect on us, but how that plays out over time, I couldn't say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Had one done once by Brent Becvar, the jyotish guy for the Chopra Center. Some of the info seemed credible, if you are willing to believe in sade sati which is what I was supposedly in at the time. It was sort of fitting event to the prevailing theory. Some of the other stuff was way off. I have heard many good things about Chakrapani, except for the few people I have spoken with who said he didn't do much for them. I find astrology is wonderful - for those who believe. My destiny, if I have one doesn't have shit to do with the alignment of the planets. So I wouldn't care what Chakrapani had to say about anything. The only thing jyotish had to offer that I was interested in when I was still somewhat of a foolish believer was the idea of preventive measures to prevent or negate one's karma. All of which are bullshit and don't work. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain MJ, I'm wondering if you have ever had your jyotish chart done by a competent astrologer. If not, you might be surprised at the results. I had mine done many years ago by Chakrapani, who is a noted LA astrologer. It was astonishing how well he had me pegged. It was very illuminating. I have had similar positive results from Western astrologers too. The cosmos stamps its unique signature on you at birth, I have no doubt about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : There IS no science to jyotish, nor any other aspect of TM - at best it is pseudo-science, or as we common folk in the South like to call it, made up bullshit. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain salyavin, are you saying that you don't agree that the moon affects tides on earth? Or that solar flares affect communication devices? More importantly, are you saying that there are phenomenon that we're simply not yet able to measure? For a guy who's into science, you surprise me when you don't see the scientific aspects of jyotish. On Friday, July 4, 2014 2:14 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Are you saying that you wouldn't go on a trip to Europe for a family wedding if the planets said it was a bad idea? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : I just got an invitation to attend the wedding of my cousin's daughter. Ordinarily, I wouldn't accept an invitation like this from a far away location. But it just so happens that my jyotish chart indicates that I'll be traveling this year due to the exalted Jupiter in conjunction with the lord of the 12th house in Cancer, the first house. Also, the sign of Cancer represents the second house of marriage for my cousin's daughter, who is represented by the 12th house in my own chart. These indicators look auspicious for everyone involved since the benefic Jupiter is exalted while in transit on the same sign for the entire year. So, I should take advantage of this karmic event to get out of San Francisco and visit a foreign country. While over there, I might as well take a side trip to Madrid and a little town called Antequera, which just so happens to be the namesake of the town where I grew up in the Philippines. It should be a good trip since I'm expecting to travel with my cousin and her husband. And, NO. I don't speak fluent Spanish. I've taken the language course while in high school. But I'll bring my Spanish dictionary just in case. Believe it or not, I made a previous trip to France, Switzerland, and Italy without knowing how to speak their languages. If all of the planets align properly, I should be in Seville, Spain on September 27, 2014 to attend the wedding.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
Michael, you do give me a modicum of pleasure to see how embedded that TM filter is in your view of things. Tell me that you are aware that the Scorpian Land is England. Please! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : To quote the esteemed Scorpion-land citizen Sal, The claims of astrology are easy to test and have failed resoundingly whenever anyone has tried. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain MJ, I'm wondering if you have ever had your jyotish chart done by a competent astrologer. If not, you might be surprised at the results. I had mine done many years ago by Chakrapani, who is a noted LA astrologer. It was astonishing how well he had me pegged. It was very illuminating. I have had similar positive results from Western astrologers too. The cosmos stamps its unique signature on you at birth, I have no doubt about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : There IS no science to jyotish, nor any other aspect of TM - at best it is pseudo-science, or as we common folk in the South like to call it, made up bullshit. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain salyavin, are you saying that you don't agree that the moon affects tides on earth? Or that solar flares affect communication devices? More importantly, are you saying that there are phenomenon that we're simply not yet able to measure? For a guy who's into science, you surprise me when you don't see the scientific aspects of jyotish. On Friday, July 4, 2014 2:14 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Are you saying that you wouldn't go on a trip to Europe for a family wedding if the planets said it was a bad idea? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : I just got an invitation to attend the wedding of my cousin's daughter. Ordinarily, I wouldn't accept an invitation like this from a far away location. But it just so happens that my jyotish chart indicates that I'll be traveling this year due to the exalted Jupiter in conjunction with the lord of the 12th house in Cancer, the first house. Also, the sign of Cancer represents the second house of marriage for my cousin's daughter, who is represented by the 12th house in my own chart. These indicators look auspicious for everyone involved since the benefic Jupiter is exalted while in transit on the same sign for the entire year. So, I should take advantage of this karmic event to get out of San Francisco and visit a foreign country. While over there, I might as well take a side trip to Madrid and a little town called Antequera, which just so happens to be the namesake of the town where I grew up in the Philippines. It should be a good trip since I'm expecting to travel with my cousin and her husband. And, NO. I don't speak fluent Spanish. I've taken the language course while in high school. But I'll bring my Spanish dictionary just in case. Believe it or not, I made a previous trip to France, Switzerland, and Italy without knowing how to speak their languages. If all of the planets align properly, I should be in Seville, Spain on September 27, 2014 to attend the wedding.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
Damn, You scared me there for a minute Michael? I thought we might have to go a whole post without a Marshy bashing. As Yoda might say, Mr. Reliable, you are ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : according to the folks down here, it don't matter what you do in life, as long as you sincerely give yourself over to Jay-sus before you die. If you do that, God will forgive ALL your sins and you get a plum spot in heaven. That's what my cousin by marriage Bobby did, he who figured so prominently in my story Fat Bitch Doughnuts. As my mother once said of him The Devil ain't got no better servant than Bobby! She said that based mainly on his penchant for cussing, and as momma called it, bad cussing - meaning taking the Lord's name in vain and using the f-word. Momma takes a very dim view of cussing and somehow believes that bad cussing is a sign of influence of the Old Scratch. When she said that about Bobby being the Devil's servant, I pointed out to her that our other cousin Tommy and my own brother, Momma's oldest son cusses everyday as bad or worse than Bobby. She was silent for about 30 seconds until she said Well, I pray for all of 'em ever day. Two weeks before he died, Bobby accepted Jesus and Momma was satisfied he went to heaven as a result. I think about it sometimes. I think it would be a fine thing to be in heaven since Marshy and Company won't be there, them bein' Hindus and all and not believing in Jay-sus. I reckon Marshy is someplace else, maybe schmoozing with Hitler whom he admired in life. From: emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain Michael slays: ... as we common folk in the South like to call it ... Since yer a Southern boy, how come you haven't taken Jesus into your heart like you shoulda? Instead you played with the hindoo demons and were shafted by the TMO. No doubt you were unique in that regard. Why won't you just get down on yer knees and pray Jesus for forgiveness. Yer still playing with the demons here on FFL and you don't want to admit it to yerself. We could, of course, send a few yer way. Got demon?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Understood. But fortunately for me I don't need a good or bad jyotish-ee to hep me understand myself. I have Nabby, Buck in the Dome, Dr. D aka Freemacncheesy, and Stevie who has apparently become Willy Tex's understudy to tell me all about myself. You're good people Michael. No worries. I'll do my share to bring you along. First we just tighten up on our attributions. In other words, when you make a statement, take a moment to see it corresponds to reality or is just some kind of emotional release. We'll get there good buddy. Maybe you rub elbows with different TM'ers than I did and than I do, but by FAR the vast majority of TM'ers I ever knew who were into jyotish were into it for two reasons - finding out what kind of good stuff was gone happen, and freaking out when they were told something bad was gonna happen and then scrambling around to buy whatever kind of nostrum was recommended to negate the bad karma. I did it too when I had my chart done, back in 2001. Used all the mantras Brent gave me and bought a big ass moonstone since I hadn't the cash for the size pearl I was supposed to get. Got it wrapped in silver and wore it night and day. Since I didn't die I suppose I could attribute that fact to the remedial measures I took. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain I don't see it as a matter of belief at all. It's more a question of the accuracy with which the chart is interpreted. There are of course bad astrologers as well as good ones. I have found astrology most useful as a tool for self-understanding. Predictions for the future I have found to be iffy at best. And like you I am rather skeptical about preventive measures. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Had one done once by Brent Becvar, the jyotish guy for the Chopra Center. Some of the info seemed credible, if you are willing to believe in sade sati which is what I was supposedly in at the time. It was sort of fitting event to the prevailing theory. Some of the other stuff was way off. I have heard many good things about Chakrapani, except for the few people I have spoken with who said he didn't do much for them. I find astrology is wonderful - for those who believe. My destiny, if I have one doesn't have shit to do with the alignment of the planets. So I wouldn't care what Chakrapani had to say about anything. The only thing jyotish had to offer that I was interested in when I was still somewhat of a foolish believer was the idea of preventive measures to prevent or negate one's karma. All of which are bullshit and don't work. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain MJ, I'm wondering if you have ever had your jyotish chart done by a competent astrologer. If not, you might be surprised at the results. I had mine done many years ago by Chakrapani, who is a noted LA astrologer. It was astonishing how well he had me pegged. It was very illuminating. I have had similar positive results from Western astrologers too. The cosmos stamps its unique signature on you at birth, I have no doubt about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : There IS no science to jyotish, nor any other aspect of TM - at best it is pseudo-science, or as we common folk in the South like to call it, made up bullshit. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain salyavin, are you saying that you don't agree that the moon affects tides on earth? Or that solar flares affect communication devices? More importantly, are you saying that there are phenomenon that we're simply not yet able to measure? For a guy who's into science, you surprise me when you don't see the scientific aspects of jyotish. On Friday, July 4, 2014 2:14 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Are you saying that you wouldn't go on a trip to Europe for a family wedding if the planets said it was a bad idea? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : I just got an invitation to attend the wedding of my cousin's daughter. Ordinarily, I wouldn't accept an invitation like this from a far away location. But it just so happens that my jyotish chart indicates that I'll be traveling this year due to the exalted Jupiter in conjunction with the lord of the 12th house in Cancer, the first house. Also, the sign of Cancer
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8,000 Year Old Indian City Irradiated by Atomic Blast
Really Michael, I think you are a dummy. I would say you have very little understanding of the effects of time, changing geography, ice ages, volcanic activity. Oh, but Mr. Michael knows that if those hoity toity advanced civilizations were really so advanced then they could over come these other factors. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : and if there were civs that were more advanced than those of today, and they left no record of sign and were superseded by much lesser civs, then that advanced civ must not have been worth much to begin with. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8,000 Year Old Indian City Irradiated by Atomic Blast On 07/04/2014 07:20 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : I have always been fascinated by the idea that there were nuclear weapons of some type back in ancient times. There weren't any. This was in the Bronze age, the high water mark of technology was poor quality swords and ploughs made from deer shoulder blades. You won't be splitting any atoms with that stuff. Jeez, they'd only just invented glazed pots when the Indus valley civilisation collapsed! Or so we think. I don't know why humanity thinks that current civilization is the most advanced that has ever existed on this planet. If so it is also the most narcissistic. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
just making sure Michael, just making sure. You are so fond of Marshy's phrase, (and repeat it so often) I was afraid you might have actually forgotten the true name of the country. Oh, Land of the Veda is India. You're welcome! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why do you think I referred to Sal as a citizen of Scorpion land you blithering idiot? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain Michael, you do give me a modicum of pleasure to see how embedded that TM filter is in your view of things. Tell me that you are aware that the Scorpian Land is England. Please! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : To quote the esteemed Scorpion-land citizen Sal, The claims of astrology are easy to test and have failed resoundingly whenever anyone has tried. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain MJ, I'm wondering if you have ever had your jyotish chart done by a competent astrologer. If not, you might be surprised at the results. I had mine done many years ago by Chakrapani, who is a noted LA astrologer. It was astonishing how well he had me pegged. It was very illuminating. I have had similar positive results from Western astrologers too. The cosmos stamps its unique signature on you at birth, I have no doubt about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : There IS no science to jyotish, nor any other aspect of TM - at best it is pseudo-science, or as we common folk in the South like to call it, made up bullshit. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain salyavin, are you saying that you don't agree that the moon affects tides on earth? Or that solar flares affect communication devices? More importantly, are you saying that there are phenomenon that we're simply not yet able to measure? For a guy who's into science, you surprise me when you don't see the scientific aspects of jyotish. On Friday, July 4, 2014 2:14 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Are you saying that you wouldn't go on a trip to Europe for a family wedding if the planets said it was a bad idea? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : I just got an invitation to attend the wedding of my cousin's daughter. Ordinarily, I wouldn't accept an invitation like this from a far away location. But it just so happens that my jyotish chart indicates that I'll be traveling this year due to the exalted Jupiter in conjunction with the lord of the 12th house in Cancer, the first house. Also, the sign of Cancer represents the second house of marriage for my cousin's daughter, who is represented by the 12th house in my own chart. These indicators look auspicious for everyone involved since the benefic Jupiter is exalted while in transit on the same sign for the entire year. So, I should take advantage of this karmic event to get out of San Francisco and visit a foreign country. While over there, I might as well take a side trip to Madrid and a little town called Antequera, which just so happens to be the namesake of the town where I grew up in the Philippines. It should be a good trip since I'm expecting to travel with my cousin and her husband. And, NO. I don't speak fluent Spanish. I've taken the language course while in high school. But I'll bring my Spanish dictionary just in case. Believe it or not, I made a previous trip to France, Switzerland, and Italy without knowing how to speak their languages. If all of the planets align properly, I should be in Seville, Spain on September 27, 2014 to attend the wedding.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain
I'll try. Thank you for something different than SHOW ME, WHERE I DIDN'T BACK UP MY ACCUSATIONS, SHOW ME, SHOW ME! (which I did) That was starting to grate on me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : practice what you preach first. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Understood. But fortunately for me I don't need a good or bad jyotish-ee to hep me understand myself. I have Nabby, Buck in the Dome, Dr. D aka Freemacncheesy, and Stevie who has apparently become Willy Tex's understudy to tell me all about myself. You're good people Michael. No worries. I'll do my share to bring you along. First we just tighten up on our attributions. In other words, when you make a statement, take a moment to see it corresponds to reality or is just some kind of emotional release. We'll get there good buddy. Maybe you rub elbows with different TM'ers than I did and than I do, but by FAR the vast majority of TM'ers I ever knew who were into jyotish were into it for two reasons - finding out what kind of good stuff was gone happen, and freaking out when they were told something bad was gonna happen and then scrambling around to buy whatever kind of nostrum was recommended to negate the bad karma. I did it too when I had my chart done, back in 2001. Used all the mantras Brent gave me and bought a big ass moonstone since I hadn't the cash for the size pearl I was supposed to get. Got it wrapped in silver and wore it night and day. Since I didn't die I suppose I could attribute that fact to the remedial measures I took. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain I don't see it as a matter of belief at all. It's more a question of the accuracy with which the chart is interpreted. There are of course bad astrologers as well as good ones. I have found astrology most useful as a tool for self-understanding. Predictions for the future I have found to be iffy at best. And like you I am rather skeptical about preventive measures. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Had one done once by Brent Becvar, the jyotish guy for the Chopra Center. Some of the info seemed credible, if you are willing to believe in sade sati which is what I was supposedly in at the time. It was sort of fitting event to the prevailing theory. Some of the other stuff was way off. I have heard many good things about Chakrapani, except for the few people I have spoken with who said he didn't do much for them. I find astrology is wonderful - for those who believe. My destiny, if I have one doesn't have shit to do with the alignment of the planets. So I wouldn't care what Chakrapani had to say about anything. The only thing jyotish had to offer that I was interested in when I was still somewhat of a foolish believer was the idea of preventive measures to prevent or negate one's karma. All of which are bullshit and don't work. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain MJ, I'm wondering if you have ever had your jyotish chart done by a competent astrologer. If not, you might be surprised at the results. I had mine done many years ago by Chakrapani, who is a noted LA astrologer. It was astonishing how well he had me pegged. It was very illuminating. I have had similar positive results from Western astrologers too. The cosmos stamps its unique signature on you at birth, I have no doubt about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : There IS no science to jyotish, nor any other aspect of TM - at best it is pseudo-science, or as we common folk in the South like to call it, made up bullshit. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wedding Invitation from Seville, Spain salyavin, are you saying that you don't agree that the moon affects tides on earth? Or that solar flares affect communication devices? More importantly, are you saying that there are phenomenon that we're simply not yet able to measure? For a guy who's into science, you surprise me when you don't see the scientific aspects of jyotish. On Friday, July 4, 2014 2:14 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Are you saying that you wouldn't go on a trip to Europe for a
[FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Hey Michael, I must not be following exactly what is going on with these studies. But, let me say that your ability to make a negtive interpretation of any study or event with regards to TM and the TMO is well documented. Jim saying Anything other than TM is a waste of time, is just his opinion, isn't it, as a long time practitioner. If you are using this as a basis for your assertions that the TMO asserts the TM is the only true spiritual path, you may need to try again. But then again, I am talking to someone who scours the internet for negative reviews about TM, and if he found something in a high school newspaper talking about it, he'd bring if forward as some monumental discovery. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 7/5/2014 5:40 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: No one is any more desperate to prove TM as the best technique, than you are, to prove it isn't. The question is, why is Barry so desperate to prove that TM isn't the most effective meditation technique for most people? Some guys likeBarry really want to be spiritual teachers and they try to be one, but they suck at it, and they know it. They just don't have the personal charisma or personality. The next best thing to being a spiritual teacher is to be a critic or a skeptic - sometimes they suck at that too. Case in point. I've gotten four people to start TM, who have now been doing it for years. None of them would've even asked about other techniques, as none of them shopped at the spiritual supermarket, as some here do. I simply never told them about any other techniques, since there is no comparison to anything else - like telling someone about the options for walking, or riding a horse, at a car dealership. They are happy with their choice, and I am glad I never had to explain the lame-ness of either mindfulness or concentration techniques, both of which, imo, suck elephant balls, compared to TM. And yes, there is an email back there, somewhere, which outlines my *short-lived* experiences with other meditation techniques. Anything other than TM is a waste of time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:LEnglish5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to prove TM to be the best that they'll diss any study that involves a competing meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL research on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's the best, at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them superior to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* researchers who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gene Simmons: A Confident Rock Artist
Very refreshing interview. Many good points made. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : He's got a solution for the US national debt as well. Can he be the next president? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOmfb524wJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOmfb524wJA
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gene Simmons: A Confident Rock Artist
I dunno, you know the original of the Tea Party, right? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, It's rather amusing to think of an imaginary President Simmons beginning the state of the nation address by sticking his long tongue out. What would the Tea Party members say? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : He's got a solution for the US national debt as well. Can he be the next president? Gene Simmons on the Economy and What Women Want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOmfb524wJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOmfb524wJA Gene Simmons on the Economy and What Wom... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOmfb524wJA In an interview with WSJ's Lee Hawkins, Gene Simmons of KISS discusses his family, his business, the economy, the president and attempts to answer Wh... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOmfb524wJA Preview by Yahoo If Bush can be elected once, let alone twice, then I would say yes to that question. But only if he believes strongly in the right to carry a gun while buying your groceries or picking up your old age pension check.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
Does this mean you're taking your ball and leaving? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, The effects of the planets can be understood as the science of vibration or waves, which is covered under the banner of quantum string theory in physics. John Hagelin discusses these points in his lectures on YouTube. John Hagelin is a bullshit artist of the very highest order. This is what I hate about people like him, you seem quite interested in physics but a brainwashed new age maniac like Hagelin fills your head with total shit and you don't know any better because you didn't start from the beginning. Astrology has NOTHING to do with string theory, if it did it might actually work and even if it did work there isn't any known way the mind could be connected with movements of planets. There's even a video of his on youtube where he claims that you can predict the future using tea leaves because all the matter in the universe used to be in one place. Hagelin should be ashamed of himself for peddling such dribble. He spoils what is a fascinating subject just so he can sell his prayers and crap DVD's, he should hand back his PHD and wear a kaftan so we know where he's coming from rather than pulling the wool over the eyes of the unwary. In fact, you should listen to the lectures of Leonard Susskind and Rafael Bousso who discuss the idea of the universe as a hologram. This subject is somewhat related to the effects of the planets. It's nothing like it and it's pointless anyway. You need to study the history of science John, get a feel for how the ideas that underlie modern science actually arose. Jumping in at the deep end of the internet with so many hucksters and frauds will get you nowhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If robots become intelligent, they too will be influenced by the Moon and other planets. I wish I lived in your world John, it must be so much fun. So, they may have various glitches on particular days just as cars have mechanical troubles attributable to a specific car maker, as in Ford, which is infamously known as fix or repair daily. So my car doesn't start because of Jupiter? Those pesky planets! I have seen here at FFL that those who believe in astrology think all things - countries, rocks, lawnmowers, dogs - are influenced by the planets so of course robots would be too. Or, Fiat which means, fix it again, Tony. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Would You Do?, was What If?
Uh, Rita might have something to say about that. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : What if you woke up in the morning and you found out that earth had been invaded by aliens? The aliens have almost taken over the entire planet. They've turned you and others into confused androids - weak and unable to see reality. Now we have millions of people who are like robots, blindly following our leaders. It should got the clue when somebody started building pyramids and ziggarats as signals to the other aliens. What would you do? I'm going to use Willytex as a human shield.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
never mind ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Does this mean you're taking your ball and leaving? Your response seems to make no sense. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, The effects of the planets can be understood as the science of vibration or waves, which is covered under the banner of quantum string theory in physics. John Hagelin discusses these points in his lectures on YouTube. John Hagelin is a bullshit artist of the very highest order. This is what I hate about people like him, you seem quite interested in physics but a brainwashed new age maniac like Hagelin fills your head with total shit and you don't know any better because you didn't start from the beginning. Astrology has NOTHING to do with string theory, if it did it might actually work and even if it did work there isn't any known way the mind could be connected with movements of planets. There's even a video of his on youtube where he claims that you can predict the future using tea leaves because all the matter in the universe used to be in one place. Hagelin should be ashamed of himself for peddling such dribble. He spoils what is a fascinating subject just so he can sell his prayers and crap DVD's, he should hand back his PHD and wear a kaftan so we know where he's coming from rather than pulling the wool over the eyes of the unwary. In fact, you should listen to the lectures of Leonard Susskind and Rafael Bousso who discuss the idea of the universe as a hologram. This subject is somewhat related to the effects of the planets. It's nothing like it and it's pointless anyway. You need to study the history of science John, get a feel for how the ideas that underlie modern science actually arose. Jumping in at the deep end of the internet with so many hucksters and frauds will get you nowhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If robots become intelligent, they too will be influenced by the Moon and other planets. I wish I lived in your world John, it must be so much fun. So, they may have various glitches on particular days just as cars have mechanical troubles attributable to a specific car maker, as in Ford, which is infamously known as fix or repair daily. So my car doesn't start because of Jupiter? Those pesky planets! I have seen here at FFL that those who believe in astrology think all things - countries, rocks, lawnmowers, dogs - are influenced by the planets so of course robots would be too. Or, Fiat which means, fix it again, Tony. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
sometimes my jokes are just dumb. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : never mind ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Does this mean you're taking your ball and leaving? Your response seems to make no sense. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, The effects of the planets can be understood as the science of vibration or waves, which is covered under the banner of quantum string theory in physics. John Hagelin discusses these points in his lectures on YouTube. John Hagelin is a bullshit artist of the very highest order. This is what I hate about people like him, you seem quite interested in physics but a brainwashed new age maniac like Hagelin fills your head with total shit and you don't know any better because you didn't start from the beginning. Astrology has NOTHING to do with string theory, if it did it might actually work and even if it did work there isn't any known way the mind could be connected with movements of planets. There's even a video of his on youtube where he claims that you can predict the future using tea leaves because all the matter in the universe used to be in one place. Hagelin should be ashamed of himself for peddling such dribble. He spoils what is a fascinating subject just so he can sell his prayers and crap DVD's, he should hand back his PHD and wear a kaftan so we know where he's coming from rather than pulling the wool over the eyes of the unwary. In fact, you should listen to the lectures of Leonard Susskind and Rafael Bousso who discuss the idea of the universe as a hologram. This subject is somewhat related to the effects of the planets. It's nothing like it and it's pointless anyway. You need to study the history of science John, get a feel for how the ideas that underlie modern science actually arose. Jumping in at the deep end of the internet with so many hucksters and frauds will get you nowhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If robots become intelligent, they too will be influenced by the Moon and other planets. I wish I lived in your world John, it must be so much fun. So, they may have various glitches on particular days just as cars have mechanical troubles attributable to a specific car maker, as in Ford, which is infamously known as fix or repair daily. So my car doesn't start because of Jupiter? Those pesky planets! I have seen here at FFL that those who believe in astrology think all things - countries, rocks, lawnmowers, dogs - are influenced by the planets so of course robots would be too. Or, Fiat which means, fix it again, Tony. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Robots will Take Over by 2045
or maybe it's just a colony expression. (there I go with another dumb one) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : sometimes my jokes are just dumb. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : never mind ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Does this mean you're taking your ball and leaving? Your response seems to make no sense. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, The effects of the planets can be understood as the science of vibration or waves, which is covered under the banner of quantum string theory in physics. John Hagelin discusses these points in his lectures on YouTube. John Hagelin is a bullshit artist of the very highest order. This is what I hate about people like him, you seem quite interested in physics but a brainwashed new age maniac like Hagelin fills your head with total shit and you don't know any better because you didn't start from the beginning. Astrology has NOTHING to do with string theory, if it did it might actually work and even if it did work there isn't any known way the mind could be connected with movements of planets. There's even a video of his on youtube where he claims that you can predict the future using tea leaves because all the matter in the universe used to be in one place. Hagelin should be ashamed of himself for peddling such dribble. He spoils what is a fascinating subject just so he can sell his prayers and crap DVD's, he should hand back his PHD and wear a kaftan so we know where he's coming from rather than pulling the wool over the eyes of the unwary. In fact, you should listen to the lectures of Leonard Susskind and Rafael Bousso who discuss the idea of the universe as a hologram. This subject is somewhat related to the effects of the planets. It's nothing like it and it's pointless anyway. You need to study the history of science John, get a feel for how the ideas that underlie modern science actually arose. Jumping in at the deep end of the internet with so many hucksters and frauds will get you nowhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If robots become intelligent, they too will be influenced by the Moon and other planets. I wish I lived in your world John, it must be so much fun. So, they may have various glitches on particular days just as cars have mechanical troubles attributable to a specific car maker, as in Ford, which is infamously known as fix or repair daily. So my car doesn't start because of Jupiter? Those pesky planets! I have seen here at FFL that those who believe in astrology think all things - countries, rocks, lawnmowers, dogs - are influenced by the planets so of course robots would be too. Or, Fiat which means, fix it again, Tony. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
I take it you're no longer in the hospital? (-: (main points anyone?) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Consciousness, awareness is always unchanged. Meditative techniques, including just sitting still like Zen practitioners do, affect the mind, not consciousness. I disagree with you if would seem. Meditative techniques clear the mind so it becomes a better 'reflector' of consciousness. Long ago Maharishi said consciousness does not expand, it is the mind that expands. later on he seemed to give in to the understanding, which everyone seemed to interpret, that consciousness can grow, which is not possible if it is the one unchanging absolute reality. So you have all the consciousness your are ever going to get. But the process of experience requires a subject (the senses) and an object (what is sensed) and consciousness illuminates both of these. If you drink a six-pack of stiff ale, the process of experience is very dull, because the mind is dysfunctional because of the drug. If you fast for a while, experience might be clearer than normal, but experience always changes. Consciousness remains constant through all varied experience, it doesn't do anything except illuminate, it is equally located in the subject and the object. It is not in your head looking out, it only seems that way in those various states of the mind called WC, TC, CC, GC to use Maharishi's terms, but once UC gets going, the sense of what consciousness might be spreads out until at some point there is the realisation that there is no division between subject and object, there is really no inner versus outer, it is all seamless being. Ultimately all these descriptions are inadequate because experience bypasses the logical reasoning mind, there is no rational, logical way to provide an accurate description. Consciousness is there from day one, so seeking it is actually ridiculous, but somehow necessary. Enlightenment does not bring anything new into experience, it is simply the realisation of what has always been the case, but various states of experience prior to this enlightening awakening can be mistaken for it it because those experiences do seem new and expansive, because the mind is changing, and its vistas are becoming clearer, and these experiences feel good, often like a grand release of oppression and fear. Enlightenment is knowledge about the nature of experience, of consciousness, that dawns at some point, but it is not continuous kind of experience. It is more like once you know how to drive a car, you just get in and drive, and you do not have to think or experience 'I know how to drive a car'. It is not a state, it is a knowledge that underlies states. Because this knowledge one has all life long, ignorant or otherwise, it is always a total surprise when it becomes clear, that this is something one has always known and had. Once you know, you cannot get rid of it, because it is not an experience involving a subject and an object which can change day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You hit the nail on the head when you said, mindfulness is not a technique. It isn't. It is the normal silent watchfulness of the mind that one gains through regular practice of TM. There is no way to be mindful of a larger consciousness than one has developed, so mindfulness of a limited consciousness is both the result, and the failure of the technique. MIndfulness (such a silly word) may give you a full tour of your mind, or world, as it currently exists, but there is no way to systematically expand the container of awareness, and so, mindfulness is basically a way to grow the ego, without subsequently expanding awareness. Barry is a great example of this, a man who's consciousness has remained unchanged during his years on this forum - no growth at all. I was never a bliss ninny, and I don't think that is a normal stage all TMers pass through - more that they are encouraged by peer pressure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Mindfulness assumes that 'reality' is ever present at all levels rather than something you have to hunt for or contact. In other words, it is based on the end game of enlightenment. I believe Jim mentioned this was a cart before the horse approach once. In some sense I think that is correct, but my observation of those who practised mindfulness experience just as much or more unstressing as TM meditators, and has just as deep insights into experience as TM meditators. They did not seem however as blissful as TM meditators or made mood-making attempts to pretendm everything was just fine, they did not have the illusion that experience was always going to be just peachy, there are hard knots to get out of the system and things one must face, and you might as well get it over with as fast as possible. I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gene Simmons: A Confident Rock Artist
Hey, we've all heard Gene Simmon's stories. We may have seen other interviews. I'll say in this interview he came off pretty well, and it changed my opinion of him. You know also that Donald Trump consumes no alcohol. And I'll say something else which is likely non pc. In that recent interview with Ted Nugent that someone posted, I thought he came off pretty good. Addressing gay marriage, (or maybe in was being gay in general) he had a hey, have at it type attitude ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Steve, Yes, it's surprising that he's so conservative in thinking, although he claims to have had 4,600 relationships with various women. However, he recently married his girlfriend or companion for many years. But he doesn't take any drugs. He is a businessman, as in show business. With his big fat bank account, he must be good at it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Very refreshing interview. Many good points made. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : He's got a solution for the US national debt as well. Can he be the next president? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOmfb524wJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOmfb524wJA
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nisargardatta instructs about awareness was: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Very nice Edg. And presented in a succinct readable context. Do you feel you have a glimpse of this reality? Experientially, or intellectually? For me, I feel it is something I can relate to on an intellectual level, but I think I have a clearer understanding of it than I have had in the past. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Q: You say the jnani is beyond. Beyond what? Beyond knowledge? Maharaj: Knowledge has its rising and setting. Consciousness comes into being and goes out of being. It is a matter of daily occurrence and observation. We all know that sometimes we are conscious and sometimes not. When we are not conscious, it appears to us as a darkness or a blank. But a jnani is aware of himself as neither conscious nor unconscious, but purely aware, a witness to the three states of the mind and their contents There is nothing wrong in the idea of a body, nor even in the idea 'I am the body'. But limiting oneself to one body only is a mistake. In reality all existence, every form, is my own, within my consciousness. I cannot tell what I am because words can describe only what I am not. I am, and because I am, all is. But I am beyond consciousness and, therefore, in consciousness I cannot say what I am. Yet, I am.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nisargardatta instructs about awareness was: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Hey Barry, You caught me by surprise with this one. I'm heading out to Colo in a little while to join the family. I'll be driving so maybe I'll contemplate this now and then. Good Luck for Netherlands! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Very nice Edg. And presented in a succinct readable context. Do you feel you have a glimpse of this reality? Experientially, or intellectually? Do you really need to ask that? Edg's posts are All in the head, all the time. Seriously. With Anartaxius' posts, you can occasionally catch a glimpse of real experience between the statements. With Edg, only statements. Any gap between statements is filled with ego. In my experience, the more certain a person feels the need to be in their statements about the nature of advaita, the less likely it is that they've ever experienced anything they're speaking about. For me, I feel it is something I can relate to on an intellectual level, but I think I have a clearer understanding of it than I have had in the past. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Q: You say the jnani is beyond. Beyond what? Beyond knowledge? Maharaj: Knowledge has its rising and setting. Consciousness comes into being and goes out of being. It is a matter of daily occurrence and observation. We all know that sometimes we are conscious and sometimes not. When we are not conscious, it appears to us as a darkness or a blank. But a jnani is aware of himself as neither conscious nor unconscious, but purely aware, a witness to the three states of the mind and their contents There is nothing wrong in the idea of a body, nor even in the idea 'I am the body'. But limiting oneself to one body only is a mistake. In reality all existence, every form, is my own, within my consciousness. I cannot tell what I am because words can describe only what I am not. I am, and because I am, all is. But I am beyond consciousness and, therefore, in consciousness I cannot say what I am. Yet, I am.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Does your arm ever get sore reaching around and patting yourself on the back? (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : In fact, Marshy could easily be described as a spiritual degenerate, rather than an example of spiritual regeneration. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress MJ? Yes, MJ's evidently apostate and infamous TM defamer on the internet too. It is just sinful anti-science what MJ does working the internet the way he does. -Buck in the Dome sharelong60 writes: MJ, you left out Apostate. Proud to be that too? on Sunday, July 6, 2014 6:32 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I am proud to be a TM Quitter and Neganaut. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2014 6:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress Dear Anartaxius, 'No mantra and no thought' is certainly a correct experience in transcending meditation: see list of correct experience of meditation enumerated in second nite of TM checking. Take it easy and take it as it comes. Working on those knots feeling the body is a correct experience of transcending meditation too, see way down in the TM checking notes. You are okay and still one with us in TM, transcending meditation. TM is a great way to learn to come in to Mindlessness-Mindfulness of Pure Being. Sounds like you got a good start. Just like MJ got a good start too in meditation. MJ may be an apostate but I don't see you as being a quitter by what you are saying here. -Buck From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress Mindfulness assumes that 'reality' is ever present at all levels rather than something you have to hunt for or contact. In other words, it is based on the end game of enlightenment. I believe Jim mentioned this was a cart before the horse approach once. In some sense I think that is correct, but my observation of those who practised mindfulness experience just as much or more unstressing as TM meditators, and has just as deep insights into experience as TM meditators. They did not seem however as blissful as TM meditators or made mood-making attempts to pretendm everything was just fine, they did not have the illusion that experience was always going to be just peachy, there are hard knots to get out of the system and things one must face, and you might as well get it over with as fast as possible. I actually find mindfulness meditation more effective now than TM, though that was not always the case. TM seems pretty much at the end of the line for me, but still is useful at times. I think this is a natural progression. However with so many years practise, it is likely that TM still slides in from time to time. I find mindfulness rather blissful these days, and TM often feels 'intrusive' because it requires more activity than mindfulness, if you want to get the mantra going. In other words, TM has nothing to do, and mindfulness is just that state of nothing to do. TM is better at 'controlling' a restless mind. My mind is no longer restless, and so the TM advantage in this situation is considerably diminished, like, to zero. So in this case mindfulness is really no longer a technique at all, and TM is superfluous. mjackson74 responds: Beautifully expressed! Now let's see if the TM aficionados will revile you for saying so. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress When examined for what it is, so called mindfulness, is not a mechanism for reliable transcendence, at all - more like meandering around on the surface of the mind. Something that clearly evolved, as a poor second best, after the knowledge of TM was lost. Those championing it have had very few, or no sustained, deep experiences of transcending, otherwise they would see it for the shallow practice that it is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Eh, while the study in question by Rosenthal and company was tiny and had no control group, it was still a quite impressive finding. My point isn't so much that mindfulness doesn't have an effect on PTSD, but that the media hypes it as being very strong, while ignoring the evidence that TM's effects on stress are demonstrably far stronger. Stress isn't
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nisargardatta instructs about awareness was: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Thanks Share. Had to drive out seperately with my son. Rest of family came in last night from visiting Yellowstone, (which I missed). Anyway, son and I took the big 6 mile hike yesterday. I'll post a picture when I get time. Today, did some biking. I keep saying I need to get in better shape. I'm able to do these activities, but they are getting more difficult. But we are having fun. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Safe travels, Steve and wishing you all a great vacation, complete with easy hiking trails! On Monday, July 7, 2014 9:38 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hey Barry, You caught me by surprise with this one. I'm heading out to Colo in a little while to join the family. I'll be driving so maybe I'll contemplate this now and then. Good Luck for Netherlands! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Very nice Edg. And presented in a succinct readable context. Do you feel you have a glimpse of this reality? Experientially, or intellectually? Do you really need to ask that? Edg's posts are All in the head, all the time. Seriously. With Anartaxius' posts, you can occasionally catch a glimpse of real experience between the statements. With Edg, only statements. Any gap between statements is filled with ego. In my experience, the more certain a person feels the need to be in their statements about the nature of advaita, the less likely it is that they've ever experienced anything they're speaking about. For me, I feel it is something I can relate to on an intellectual level, but I think I have a clearer understanding of it than I have had in the past. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Q: You say the jnani is beyond. Beyond what? Beyond knowledge? Maharaj: Knowledge has its rising and setting. Consciousness comes into being and goes out of being. It is a matter of daily occurrence and observation. We all know that sometimes we are conscious and sometimes not. When we are not conscious, it appears to us as a darkness or a blank. But a jnani is aware of himself as neither conscious nor unconscious, but purely aware, a witness to the three states of the mind and their contents There is nothing wrong in the idea of a body, nor even in the idea 'I am the body'. But limiting oneself to one body only is a mistake. In reality all existence, every form, is my own, within my consciousness. I cannot tell what I am because words can describe only what I am not. I am, and because I am, all is. But I am beyond consciousness and, therefore, in consciousness I cannot say what I am. Yet, I am.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MJ's Defamation of TM [Transcendental Meditation]
Very perceptive question Share. I'll look forward to the reply. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : MJ, the other day you posted, in a reply to Fleetwood, a list of positive experiences you had during your TM days, such as witnessing and celestial perception. To what do you attribute such experiences if TM is, as you say here, mediocre and or mild? On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 7:05 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bucky, that is truly one of the most spiritual and egotistically arrogant and at the same time most ignorant things I have ever seen in FFL - but at least you are not incoherent like Willy Tex. TM is a mediocre meditation that all of you True Believers have to bollster in your own minds to make it superlative. If it were as grand as you say: Marshy and the Movement wouldn't have to lie to sell it, it wouldn't have left a trail of suicides and broken lives and it would ALREADY have been embraced by everyone in the world. Mild meditation backed by lying slick PR machine = TM. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 7:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] MJ's Defamation of TM [Transcendental Meditation] Yep, MJ seems really hard-hearted around his hate of TM. Personally I feel concern for him. MJ's defaming of TM that he does so completely work at imposing feels out of balance mean-spirited anti-spiritual ignorance. It just can't be good for his subtle system or to the ultimate benefit of others. Whether the guru was doing girls all along or diverting money does not bother my meditation or change the science around meditation. The meditation evidently lives on for valid and good reasons in nature. The meditation is well taught, gives some good benefit and the movement could stand some ethical improvement. Pick the diamond out of the shit and move on. Nablusoss1008 proly has MJ pegged about right, a complete ignorant ass back-woods hillbilly south-facing porch upbringing. I feel compassion for MJ in the same way that the Unified Field is compassionate around transcendent spirituality. He just needs more quiet time, -Buck fleetwood_macncheese writes: yep - the world I inhabit is a MUCH bigger place than one where I would get all bent out of shape about a public figure, now gone. I thought Ronald Fucking Reagan was a hell of a lot more evil than Maharishi could ever be, and yet, I don't lose any sleep over it. fleetwood_macncheese wrote : This is my take on all of that: I don't care. Maharishi lived his life and is responsible for it. I live my life, and am responsible for it. I am not responsible for how Maharishi lived his life, or what he did. I learned his technique of TM and TMSP, end of story. I am sorry you and the other sad sacks feel you must continue to whine and complain about all of this. All it does is show me your lack of success with TM, and that, too, is not my issue. awoelflebater wrote : Here is one thing: Maharishi is dead. No one can shame him or get him to recant or apologize or even explain his supposed behaviour. I like your post on lots of levels. Not because I think people who truly do immoral or violent or horrendous deeds should be allowed to get away with them but because some things are not worth fretting about. Take what you want and leave the rest. Why bother to fume and grind your teeth over past deeds that, in the grand scheme of things, didn't amount to genocide, mass rape or pillaging or the decimation and destruction of the environment? There are so many other people to hunt down and bring to justice but MMY just doesn't seem like one of them. mjackson74@... wrote : That's a bullshit excuse you are making for a man who was a fraud on all levels. You make it because you can't stand the idea of anything about TM being the lest bit, well shall we say not 100% life supporting. Einstein never claimed to be a lifelong celibate. Marshy did. And not only did he make that claim into a lie by sleeping with his followers, he told them all to be celibate to make the gals more horny and make sure no other men were going to cut him out of his intended conquests. Had you been an older man, had children sooner, how would you have felt had your daughter wound up being one of Marshy's conquests? My statement was not however limited to his sexual proclivities, it covers all of his deceit and deliberate lie and manipulation of many people, none of whom he gave a shit about. He used people and threw them away. If you can condone that kind of behavior, then I don't think the kind of enlightenment you have achieved through TM is worth much. fleetwood_macncheese [FairfieldLife] writes: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress Did you know Einstein had
Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Beautiful Michael. Thanks for a laugh. One of your many, many abilities. Now, about that mediocre meditation producing all those top drawer experiences ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I can From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress I don't think you can figure out whether a person is enlightened or not from their posts on a group. On 07/08/2014 04:53 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Thanks Bucky, but I haven't met any enlightened people here on FFL yet, except maybe Sal. Jim and most here ascribe things to me that don't apply, like the idea that I am seeking redress for wrongs done me. I don't feel aggrieved toward the Movement for wrongs done me personally. I despise the Movement the same way I despise the current political circus we call a government - the gov'ment screws everyone all the time cuz that's what they do, the Movement screws everyone cuz that's what they do - both need to be reigned in and held accountable. I despise a liar and fraud whether he wears white robes and gold crowns or a suit and tie. I remember when the old Spiritual Counterfeits Project used to print up brochures denouncing Marshy and the Movement and they had one with a pencil drawing of Marshy sitting in a chair wearing a Western business suit. My roommate at the time was a TM'er and I was utterly and I mean utterly appalled when he brought that into the apartment. Turns out those SCP people were right!!! Wheee! From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress Rick's original vision for FFL was that this place should be a salon for ideas. Not a saloon. I agree. MJ should just turn the other cheek and yield to the already enlightened here. But then MJ might just get it after enough thrashing, However to avoid conflict with the Yahoo-groups guidelines for civil discourse, where it gets really personal it would be kinder to the whole list if people should just take their personal stuff out to the back alley, off list between themselves, -Buck in the Dome In someone's grill? !!! Fists-cuffs? !FFL! !Moderators!, Keep an eye on this thread! awoelflebater writes: I would find some way to get up in someone's grill, and resolve this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Who cares if I agree or disagree? If I were you, I would find some way to get up in someone's grill, and resolve this. I've done such things before, and it sure beats letting all us disinterested folks know how upset you are. PS I am on your side, wrt righting any wrongs done to you, but you are not handling this effectively, at all. A big waste of time and energy, imo. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : its not just about the sexual proclivities - in fact that is the least of it in my opinion - its the whole thing, but we've been over all that before. You and I are never gonna agree about it so that's just how it is.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress
Hi Share, Here was destination of hike I took with #1 (chronologically) son. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi Steve, some of MJ's replies to my questions are under the thread, minus the YAS. Hope you all are having fun (-: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress On Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:02 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Beautiful Michael. Thanks for a laugh. One of your many, many abilities. Now, about that mediocre meditation producing all those top drawer experiences ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I can From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress I don't think you can figure out whether a person is enlightened or not from their posts on a group. On 07/08/2014 04:53 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Thanks Bucky, but I haven't met any enlightened people here on FFL yet, except maybe Sal. Jim and most here ascribe things to me that don't apply, like the idea that I am seeking redress for wrongs done me. I don't feel aggrieved toward the Movement for wrongs done me personally. I despise the Movement the same way I despise the current political circus we call a government - the gov'ment screws everyone all the time cuz that's what they do, the Movement screws everyone cuz that's what they do - both need to be reigned in and held accountable. I despise a liar and fraud whether he wears white robes and gold crowns or a suit and tie. I remember when the old Spiritual Counterfeits Project used to print up brochures denouncing Marshy and the Movement and they had one with a pencil drawing of Marshy sitting in a chair wearing a Western business suit. My roommate at the time was a TM'er and I was utterly and I mean utterly appalled when he brought that into the apartment. Turns out those SCP people were right!!! Wheee! From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress Rick's original vision for FFL was that this place should be a salon for ideas. Not a saloon. I agree. MJ should just turn the other cheek and yield to the already enlightened here. But then MJ might just get it after enough thrashing, However to avoid conflict with the Yahoo-groups guidelines for civil discourse, where it gets really personal it would be kinder to the whole list if people should just take their personal stuff out to the back alley, off list between themselves, -Buck in the Dome In someone's grill? !!! Fists-cuffs? !FFL! !Moderators!, Keep an eye on this thread! awoelflebater writes: I would find some way to get up in someone's grill, and resolve this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Who cares if I agree or disagree? If I were you, I would find some way to get up in someone's grill, and resolve this. I've done such things before, and it sure beats letting all us disinterested folks know how upset you are. PS I am on your side, wrt righting any wrongs done to you, but you are not handling this effectively, at all. A big waste of time and energy, imo. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : its not just about the sexual proclivities - in fact that is the least of it in my opinion - its the whole thing, but we've been over all that before. You and I are never gonna agree about it so that's just how it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: World Cup Soccer
How did Messi miss his one great opportunity? Why did he so flub that free kick at the end? Why was he so (seemingly) lethargic during the second half of the game, at least? I guess the midfielders must be the best conditioned. They are always moving back and forth. Messi seemed to be waiting around for a breakaway pass. But, maybe these are just observations from an occasional viewer that miss the bigger picture. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor@... wrote : The bottom line is that, because most top teams are so close in standard, a soccer game of 1.5 hrs + extra time is really not sufficient to determine whether one team is better than another. your game with Belgiu8m did not define that Belgium was better than you. Consider this logic: Germany struggled but just managed one extra goal against Argentina. Gernamy struggled but just managed one extra goal against the USA. Therefore, the USA is approximately the same standard as Argentina. Get it together, you Yanks, and in four years time, you could win it. (And on Russian soil, just to aggravate Putin).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: World Cup Soccer
I'd like if only for the fact that you go 45 minutes with no commercials. That alone would make it of limited interest to big media. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 7/14/2014 9:12 AM, uns_tressor@... mailto:uns_tressor@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The bottom line is that, because most top teams are so close in standard, a soccer game of 1.5 hrs + extra time is really not sufficient to determine whether one team is better than another. your game with Belgiu8m did not define that Belgium was better than you. Consider this logic: Germany struggled but just managed one extra goal against Argentina. Gernamy struggled but just managed one extra goal against the USA. Therefore, the USA is approximately the same standard as Argentina. Get it together, you Yanks, and in four years time, you could win it. (And on Russian soil, just to aggravate Putin). Most Yanks realize that soccer is just not an exciting sport when a team can only score one point in a game lasting for more than 1.5 hours. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 35 M.P.H Trikkes drag race
Sort of thinking the same thing. And then, thinking about the great benefit originally touted which the exercise it provided. I mean, what advantageous does a motorized Trikke offer, like compared to a scooter? On the other hand, I guess it's exciting to think you've invented something, even if, at the end of the process you end up with something that's already been available. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I'm waiting for the one where the cops pull you over. :-D On 07/13/2014 09:24 PM, Duveyoung wrote: You folks responded to my last vid, so.. Edg Ron Jesse test the new beast drag races Edg Ron Jesse test the new beast drag races Edg, Ron and Jesse drag race using the new beasts and Ron's 16er. View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: 35 M.P.H Trikkes drag race
Well, I can see where it would provide a workout under the conditions you describe. But you are also having fun. That counts for a lot of course. But, I guess by the time you would add all those refinements, what is its selling point? That it gives you a work out because it's harder to control? That it is more fun, than say a scooter, or more eco friendly? As for a police version, it seems that technology is moving in a more hands free direction, so something that requires more hands on would seem less appealing. But you are having fun Edg, and you are a smart guy. I enjoy the videos. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sort of thinking the same thing. And then, thinking about the great benefit originally touted which the exercise it provided. I mean, what advantageous does a motorized Trikke offer, like compared to a scooter? On the other hand, I guess it's exciting to think you've invented something, even if, at the end of the process you end up with something that's already been available. Yeah, these are the concepts that come up in those who do not know the Trikke. Some trikkers are purists who would never own the motorized versions. Fine. But I just got back from a 40 minute ride, and I'm am drenched. It is all I can do to stay on board because I'm riding hard and hitting the bumps. It is a full-body workout just to stand on the thing at 20 mphif you're not putting out a ton of harmonizing with the machine, you're tossed off the machine. Compared to a scooter? Well it's sorta apples and oranges. They have 30 mph speeds in common, but the scooters have much more weight, much more rubber on the road and much better brakes. And they're legal. Pretty hard to compete with them, except.trikking is just more fun and is green and it's an exercise machine despite being a transporter. I did not invent this gizmo. My buddy figured out a way to attach a motor to a Trikke T12, and I financed it. Along the way I had to come up with small concepts to get everything to work, but I really can't take credit for it more than say, 10%. The motor/battery/controller -- comes as a kit. The Trikke T12 is sold retail by the Trikke Tech company -- the Trikke concept was invented by TT's owner, Gildo Bielski. This machine is rough-draft only despite all the parts being professionally manufactured -- if I was rich and decided to really put a retail version of this machine, I'd be adding shocks, and special footpads and well, tons of other necessities to make the beast a true urban transporter that a housewife could use. Heh, Trikke Tech is keeping their special Police Vehicle version that they're all proud a secret even to their customers BECAUSE IT GOES FASTER THAN 20 mph. Their civilian model only goes 16mph. Yep, me n ma buddy are the fastest trikkers ON EARTH so far. And that's about it for me. Any faster and I wouldn't even get on the machine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prayer for former TM'ers
Michael, You are a back door devotee of MMY and the TMO. I think everyone can see it but yourself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Here is a bee-you-tee-full prayer for all TM'ers and former TM'ers. I post this especially for our good friend Buck in the Dome so he will know my soul is really ok (he's expressed concern about it a time or two) I renounce and repent for the following evils: The giving of my time and money and talent towards this movement. Being used as a spokesperson for this movement, encouraging and causing others to be snared into a movement designed to usher in the Age of Enlightenment, the Anti-Christ, his one-world religion, one-world government and one-world monetary system. Grieving the Holy Spirit. Engaging in the Hindu religion’s false belief system. Participating in the Puja ceremony, and allowing myself to become involved in it, including bowing down to all gods invoked. Calling countless times on my personal mantra, a Hindu deity and for obtaining any blessings from this familiar spirit. Being present and bowing down to all evil the TM teacher invoked, including: The Hindu trinity, the Lord Narayana, Brahma, the false creator, and Vashista. Agreeing with the TM teacher’s request that the Hindu Trinity enter my heart. Worshiping Vashistha, Shakti , Parashar, Vyasa, Shukadeva, Gaudapada, Govinda and to his disciple, Shri Shankaracharya, Padma-Pada, Hasta-Malaka, Trotakacharya, and Vartika-kara, the teacher of Karma. Believing the traditions of the masters, the wisdom and the ultimate evil authorities, the Shrutis, the Smritis, the Pranas, Shankara, Shakarya, Badarayana, Brahmanada, and Indra . Worshiping of Soma, Shiva, Kali, Ganesh, Lakashimi, and Krishna, Guru Dev, and Vendanta I renounce and repent for all participation in the following techniques: Japa, the repeating of a mantra. The checking procedure, hypnotism, and all of the reinforcement of evil planted, especially during the post-trance state of mind; Any faith in karma and its laws of enforcement; TM-Sidhi “age of enlightenment” techniques, described in Patanjalis’ Sutras according to the Dharan Tradition; The nineteen sutras I practiced to develop supernormal abilities: friendliness, compassion, happiness, strength of an Elephant, bronchial tube, inner light, sun, moon, polestar, trachea, navel, the distinction between intellect and transcendence, intuition, transcendence finest hearing, transcendence finest sight, transcendence finest taste, transcendence finest touch, transcendence finest smell, and the levitation/flying technique, the relationship of body and Akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber; The laws of Manu; The practice of Sama Veda to gain supernatural powers from Indra; The reading of the Mandala; Listening to Hindu monks chant; Receiving the title “citizen of the age of enlightenment” and accepting the card with a crown on my head; Yogic asanas, holding a certain body position that leaves the body open to demons; Pranayama, breathing exercises designed to clear a channel in my body for soma to enter; Reading of the 9th and 10th Mandalas, which resulted in inviting gods to feast on the soma in my stomach; Any bond between me and the ancient Aryan cultures; The watering of the Tree of Wisdom in the garden and its branches of knowledge; The attunement of myself and my mind to any energy or wisdom from Satan. I repent for opening my intellect to create divine unity with myself and Satan. I repent for believing and proclaiming that by practicing the techniques I learned from the TM and TM Sidhi Programs, that I would attain a gift of Supreme Knowledge and that Supreme Knowledge would fulfill my life. Lord, please break all links, chains, bonds, and any connection between me and all TM teachers and the TM movement. Lord, God, please break any lines connecting me to the generational lines of the ancient tradition and the masters of antiquity. Lord, please heal my mind from being put on the field of the Absolute. Lord, please free me from the counterfeit harmony of my thoughts, speech, and action or my ego, intellect, mind, and senses. Lord, please take from me any gifts, anointing, knowledge, and powers gained by my involvement in The TM-SIDHI program.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prayer for former TM'ers
your standard rote response ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : and you are a goddamn fool if you believe that - you really have become crazier and more bizarre than Willy Tex himself. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 11:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prayer for former TM'ers Michael, You are a back door devotee of MMY and the TMO. I think everyone can see it but yourself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Here is a bee-you-tee-full prayer for all TM'ers and former TM'ers. I post this especially for our good friend Buck in the Dome so he will know my soul is really ok (he's expressed concern about it a time or two) I renounce and repent for the following evils: The giving of my time and money and talent towards this movement. Being used as a spokesperson for this movement, encouraging and causing others to be snared into a movement designed to usher in the Age of Enlightenment, the Anti-Christ, his one-world religion, one-world government and one-world monetary system. Grieving the Holy Spirit. Engaging in the Hindu religion’s false belief system. Participating in the Puja ceremony, and allowing myself to become involved in it, including bowing down to all gods invoked. Calling countless times on my personal mantra, a Hindu deity and for obtaining any blessings from this familiar spirit. Being present and bowing down to all evil the TM teacher invoked, including: The Hindu trinity, the Lord Narayana, Brahma, the false creator, and Vashista. Agreeing with the TM teacher’s request that the Hindu Trinity enter my heart. Worshiping Vashistha, Shakti , Parashar, Vyasa, Shukadeva, Gaudapada, Govinda and to his disciple, Shri Shankaracharya, Padma-Pada, Hasta-Malaka, Trotakacharya, and Vartika-kara, the teacher of Karma. Believing the traditions of the masters, the wisdom and the ultimate evil authorities, the Shrutis, the Smritis, the Pranas, Shankara, Shakarya, Badarayana, Brahmanada, and Indra . Worshiping of Soma, Shiva, Kali, Ganesh, Lakashimi, and Krishna, Guru Dev, and Vendanta I renounce and repent for all participation in the following techniques: Japa, the repeating of a mantra. The checking procedure, hypnotism, and all of the reinforcement of evil planted, especially during the post-trance state of mind; Any faith in karma and its laws of enforcement; TM-Sidhi “age of enlightenment” techniques, described in Patanjalis’ Sutras according to the Dharan Tradition; The nineteen sutras I practiced to develop supernormal abilities: friendliness, compassion, happiness, strength of an Elephant, bronchial tube, inner light, sun, moon, polestar, trachea, navel, the distinction between intellect and transcendence, intuition, transcendence finest hearing, transcendence finest sight, transcendence finest taste, transcendence finest touch, transcendence finest smell, and the levitation/flying technique, the relationship of body and Akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber; The laws of Manu; The practice of Sama Veda to gain supernatural powers from Indra; The reading of the Mandala; Listening to Hindu monks chant; Receiving the title “citizen of the age of enlightenment” and accepting the card with a crown on my head; Yogic asanas, holding a certain body position that leaves the body open to demons; Pranayama, breathing exercises designed to clear a channel in my body for soma to enter; Reading of the 9th and 10th Mandalas, which resulted in inviting gods to feast on the soma in my stomach; Any bond between me and the ancient Aryan cultures; The watering of the Tree of Wisdom in the garden and its branches of knowledge; The attunement of myself and my mind to any energy or wisdom from Satan. I repent for opening my intellect to create divine unity with myself and Satan. I repent for believing and proclaiming that by practicing the techniques I learned from the TM and TM Sidhi Programs, that I would attain a gift of Supreme Knowledge and that Supreme Knowledge would fulfill my life. Lord, please break all links, chains, bonds, and any connection between me and all TM teachers and the TM movement. Lord, God, please break any lines connecting me to the generational lines of the ancient tradition and the masters of antiquity. Lord, please heal my mind from being put on the field of the Absolute. Lord, please free me from the counterfeit harmony of my thoughts, speech, and action or my ego, intellect, mind, and senses. Lord, please take from me any gifts, anointing, knowledge, and powers gained by my involvement in The TM-SIDHI program.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prayer for former TM'ers
Well, you are always good for a smile Michael. It usually plays out like this. Hey Michael, do you think you are being a little one sided in your portrayal here $%)(*^%$**# Willy Tex Hey Michael, you sure seem to spend a lot of time with all this MMY, Bevan, Brad O'Nash stuff *@!$%#^* Willy Tex and so it goes on(-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : and you are a goddamn fool if you believe that - you really have become crazier and more bizarre than Willy Tex himself. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 11:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prayer for former TM'ers Michael, You are a back door devotee of MMY and the TMO. I think everyone can see it but yourself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Here is a bee-you-tee-full prayer for all TM'ers and former TM'ers. I post this especially for our good friend Buck in the Dome so he will know my soul is really ok (he's expressed concern about it a time or two) I renounce and repent for the following evils: The giving of my time and money and talent towards this movement. Being used as a spokesperson for this movement, encouraging and causing others to be snared into a movement designed to usher in the Age of Enlightenment, the Anti-Christ, his one-world religion, one-world government and one-world monetary system. Grieving the Holy Spirit. Engaging in the Hindu religion’s false belief system. Participating in the Puja ceremony, and allowing myself to become involved in it, including bowing down to all gods invoked. Calling countless times on my personal mantra, a Hindu deity and for obtaining any blessings from this familiar spirit. Being present and bowing down to all evil the TM teacher invoked, including: The Hindu trinity, the Lord Narayana, Brahma, the false creator, and Vashista. Agreeing with the TM teacher’s request that the Hindu Trinity enter my heart. Worshiping Vashistha, Shakti , Parashar, Vyasa, Shukadeva, Gaudapada, Govinda and to his disciple, Shri Shankaracharya, Padma-Pada, Hasta-Malaka, Trotakacharya, and Vartika-kara, the teacher of Karma. Believing the traditions of the masters, the wisdom and the ultimate evil authorities, the Shrutis, the Smritis, the Pranas, Shankara, Shakarya, Badarayana, Brahmanada, and Indra . Worshiping of Soma, Shiva, Kali, Ganesh, Lakashimi, and Krishna, Guru Dev, and Vendanta I renounce and repent for all participation in the following techniques: Japa, the repeating of a mantra. The checking procedure, hypnotism, and all of the reinforcement of evil planted, especially during the post-trance state of mind; Any faith in karma and its laws of enforcement; TM-Sidhi “age of enlightenment” techniques, described in Patanjalis’ Sutras according to the Dharan Tradition; The nineteen sutras I practiced to develop supernormal abilities: friendliness, compassion, happiness, strength of an Elephant, bronchial tube, inner light, sun, moon, polestar, trachea, navel, the distinction between intellect and transcendence, intuition, transcendence finest hearing, transcendence finest sight, transcendence finest taste, transcendence finest touch, transcendence finest smell, and the levitation/flying technique, the relationship of body and Akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber; The laws of Manu; The practice of Sama Veda to gain supernatural powers from Indra; The reading of the Mandala; Listening to Hindu monks chant; Receiving the title “citizen of the age of enlightenment” and accepting the card with a crown on my head; Yogic asanas, holding a certain body position that leaves the body open to demons; Pranayama, breathing exercises designed to clear a channel in my body for soma to enter; Reading of the 9th and 10th Mandalas, which resulted in inviting gods to feast on the soma in my stomach; Any bond between me and the ancient Aryan cultures; The watering of the Tree of Wisdom in the garden and its branches of knowledge; The attunement of myself and my mind to any energy or wisdom from Satan. I repent for opening my intellect to create divine unity with myself and Satan. I repent for believing and proclaiming that by practicing the techniques I learned from the TM and TM Sidhi Programs, that I would attain a gift of Supreme Knowledge and that Supreme Knowledge would fulfill my life. Lord, please break all links, chains, bonds, and any connection between me and all TM teachers and the TM movement. Lord, God, please break any lines connecting me to the generational lines of the ancient tradition and the masters of antiquity. Lord, please heal my mind from being put on the field of the
Re: [FairfieldLife] What's it all about MJ?
The MJ Anthem, repeated many times a day. But hey MJ, at least by polite and thank SOS for allowing you give the unabridged version. (and now, #%^*%$#*..Willy Tex) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Marshy was a liar, a cheat, a fraud and left a great many broken lives in his greedy wake. I don't give a rat's ass what you think and I won't be satisfied till the TMO is reduced to ashes. But that will never happen because there are still too many people who are more than willing to be defrauded and screwed up by the TMO and also because there are too many people willing to look the other way while appreciating what Marshy gave them and keeping their heads buried in the sand while using the excuse of how much good their personal practice of TM does them. As to my attachment to Marshy the Old Goat and his band of merry fraudsters, you are projecting a bullshit idea based on ridiculous ideas you got from the old bastard and his Hindu baloney superstitions. It isn't attachment to tell the truth. From: soundofstillness@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] What's it all about MJ? From a guy who is grateful to Maharishi but who 'transcended' the TMO in 1976. Hey MJ, Two monks were walking along a riverside. One was much older than the other. They came across a beautiful young maiden trying to cross the river. The older monk offers to carry her across. As the two monks continued along their way the younger monk is quite angry at the older monk for carrying the beautiful young maiden across the river. The older tells the younger that he dropped the maiden off when they crossed to the other side. And you my friend are still carrying her. MJ, love you 'bro, but you seem more attached to TM than anyone I've ever come across. Isn't the trick in the 'transcending' of TM and the TMO? Isn't that what Shankara might have suggested? And if my memory is true, was one of the lessons in SCI. Transcending is the key. Transcending body and mind. Realizing you aren't your body or thoughts. Wouldn't that be a sign of the dawning of enlightenment? We aren't our anger, we aren't our attachments. It's been suggested in many times and places that if we settle down, be still, we'll realize our essential nature. To me that means . . . Awareness is the condition of our experience of anything. Awareness can't be explained by anything at all. Shouldn't the lesson be that we let the beautiful maiden of our indignation go? Otherwise we be lost in a swirl that doesn't serve our purpose. We show our worth by what we seek . . . http://youtu.be/XCx60dU-hbU Plant seeds of love my friend . . . Love you 'bro.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Give thanks to McDonald's
Yea, that's what my 21 year old son tells me all the time. Beats me over the head with it sometimes. (Actually I prefer Qdoba). But then I see other parts of his lifestyle that he totally ignores. Oh well. I guess that goes with the territory. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I read an article within the last couple of weeks that claimed that Chipolte offers the healthiest fast food menu. On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:09 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Your mention of the Roy Rodgers chain. When they first emerged, in the late 70's, their burgers were far superior to McD's, but it sounds like they have slipped. The worst chain I ever encountered was Wimpy, but probably because it was in Hong Kong, and lord knows what they used for meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : When in the USA the worst fast-food I tried was the Roy Rogers chain. Yuk! I liked the Wendy products but it never caught on here in the UK. I agree about McD's though - pretty gross. Ditto Subway. KFC was the first US chain that opened restaurants in the UK (1960s) and are probably the best of the bunch. On a documentary about the very first UK KFC one of the original staff mentioned they tried to give away free samples to the public in the street and everyone they approached ran away! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I never liked McDonald's burgers for fast food. They mix onions in the meat probably so you can't tell it is cheap beef. Jack in the Box does the same. Wendy's and Burger King don't do this and I liked BK's broiled burgers. But that was years ago when I still ate beef. On 07/15/2014 06:45 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Freakonomics author Stephen Dubner claims a double cheeseburger from McDonald's is: “The cheapest, most nutritious and bountiful food that has ever existed in human history”. I think he's overlooking the hidden subsidies but he's right that it offers excellent value for money (if you remember to keep taking your statins). http://nypost.com/2013/07/28/the-greatest-food-in-human-history/ http://nypost.com/2013/07/28/the-greatest-food-in-human-history/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Just so you know
That was great. I was a bit of a Deadhead in high school, and then moved on. But when Jerry died, my interest got rekindled and I found myself buying all the magazines and articles that chronicled his life and death. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ... On principle, I don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to creative artists. For many of them, the moments they spent writing or painting or making music were probably the high points of their lives, the times when they were the best they could be. For me, if the works they created during those moments still stand up over time as inspiring, I'm not going to write them off because it later comes out that when these people were *not* writing or painting or making music they were real shitheads. For whatever reason, shortly after writing this, I found myself thinking of Jerry Garcia. Now if that's not a guy whose levels of fan adoration did not quite match up with his real-life, off-stage self, who is? For many people, Jerry was a fuckin' God. I do not indulge in hyperbole by saying this...they really did think of him that way. But off-stage, he was increasingly a drug-dependent fuckup, and often hard to be around. When such an artist kicks the bucket, which parts of his life do you choose to focus on or remember? The fuckups, or those magical moments in which he just *transcended* all of the fuckups, and for a few moments really did channel God onstage? This was Jerry's last performance. You decide. Grateful Dead - So Many Roads (complete) - 7/9/95 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sFyRQPraJ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sFyRQPraJ8 Grateful Dead - So Many Roads (complete) - 7/9/95 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sFyRQPraJ8 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sFyRQPraJ8 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Just so you know
Just love Touch of Grey ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 7/18/2014 11:43 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ... On principle, I don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to creative artists. For many of them, the moments they spent writing or painting or making music were probably the high points of their lives, the times when they were the best they could be. For me, if the works they created during those moments still stand up over time as inspiring, I'm not going to write them off because it later comes out that when these people were *not* writing or painting or making music they were real shitheads. For whatever reason, shortly after writing this, I found myself thinking of Jerry Garcia. Now if that's not a guy whose levels of fan adoration did not quite match up with his real-life, off-stage self, who is? For many people, Jerry was a fuckin' God. I do not indulge in hyperbole by saying this...they really did think of him that way. But off-stage, he was increasingly a drug-dependent fuckup, and often hard to be around. When such an artist kicks the bucket, which parts of his life do you choose to focus on or remember? The fuckups, or those magical moments in which he just *transcended* all of the fuckups, and for a few moments really did channel God onstage? How in hell would you be knowing anything about Jerry Garcia's personal life? I just listen to and enjoy the music, which speaks for itself - I'm not all that interested in the personalities like you seem to be. Go figure. Jerry Garcia - August 1, 1942 – August 9, 1995. RIP. Every silver lining has a touch of grey. Grateful Dead - Touch of Grey http://youtu.be/mPmfZHXaU7g http://youtu.be/mPmfZHXaU7g This was Jerry's last performance. You decide. Grateful Dead - So Many Roads (complete) - 7/9/95 Grateful Dead - So Many Roads (complete) - 7/9/95 View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Michael Jackson, was Just so you know
It's also called clicking the show history button (-; ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, soundofstillness@... wrote : Well the first saint in my life was ol' St. Nick and I looked forward to his gifts each Christmas morning. And then when I was 21, er I mean 10, I found out he wasn't really who I thought he was. Was this a bait and switch? When I think about it, ma and pa taking care of us kids, working to clothe, shelter and put food on the table three times a day, things like peanut butter and jam sandwiches on wonder bread, spam, velvetta cheese, that all began with a snap crackle and pop in the morning before heading off to school . . . ma and pa devoted their lives to help us kids find our way in life. And when you think about it, isn't Santa not only real, but everywhere, living through all the moms and dads at the same time. I'm not sure if that's a qualification for a saint, being everywhere at the same time, but it can't hurt on the resume.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where From Here?
I've seen lulls Ann, but this one seems different. I was on vacation a couple weeks ago. Was it discussed - Judy's absence? Do we know why she no longer posts. Let's face it, for better or worse, she was a main driver of the dialogue. I would put much of went on, 80%, acrimony by content, and maybe 60% by volume. I don't know what can really drive the dialogue going forward. (-: or )-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Being a relative newcomer to FFL I have noticed it might be dying or already dead and was wondering if there has ever been such a lull in activity here before. What are we missing, if anything? We have approx. 6 or 7 active posters. Does this a forum make? Is it time to call it quits, reincarnate in a new body? Or...?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Things We Want
yes, FJ Cruiser. That's the vehicle I have in mind. But it really wouldn't be practical, and price-wise, it's sort of out of range, at least for a new one. But yellow is the color I have in mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We are thinking about getting one of these to go with the FJ Cruiser. But, I'm not sure if Rita wants to go this small. We also looked at a 36 ft fifth wheel, but it would probably take at least a Ford F-150 with a V-8 to haul it. We are still trying to figure this out. http://www.travelizmo.com/archives/cat_travel_trailers.html http://www.travelizmo.com/archives/cat_travel_trailers.html On 7/8/2014 7:30 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: We are seriously thinking about getting one of these. No other vehicle even comes close to the ridiculous resale value of Toyota's odd-looking, amphibious landing vehicle of a midsize SUV. With 5,000 pounds of towing capacity, it's perfect for towing a small Airstream. The FJ Cruiser’s V6 engine pumps out 260 horsepower and 271 lb.-ft. of torque. These impressive numbers are due in part to its Dual Independent Variable Valve Timing with intelligence or VVT-i. This precision timing system delivers a broad torque curve across the rpm range. Toyota FJ Cruiser 4 wheel drive 1. Toyota FJ Cruiser MSRP: $27,680 Resale value retained after five years: 70% '10 Cars That Retain Resale Value After 5 Years' http://www.thestreet.com/story/12757242/10/10-cars-that-retain-their-resale-value-after-5-years.html http://www.thestreet.com/story/12757242/10/10-cars-that-retain-their-resale-value-after-5-years.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Things We Want
I was able to get 72 months, 0% financing on the last vehicle I bought. Just made last payment, so am considering giving it to my son, as his little Honda Accord seems about to give out. I just turned 150K on my odometer, and really no problems. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : My Subaru Forester is 16 years old and still running strong. All I had to do was find an independent maintenance shop (one up the street) with a Subaru mechanic and decent prices (since dealers will rip you off). Some parts that go out after 100K have been replaced for the next 100K. Everything is nearby so I don't put much miles on the car each year. Can't walk to places though as there is a steep hill up to the shopping center and no sidewalk. I also bought the Forester new and with cash. Pissed off the closer because the dealerships make money on financing. :-D On 07/22/2014 08:23 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: yes, FJ Cruiser. That's the vehicle I have in mind. But it really wouldn't be practical, and price-wise, it's sort of out of range, at least for a new one. But yellow is the color I have in mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : We are thinking about getting one of these to go with the FJ Cruiser. But, I'm not sure if Rita wants to go this small. We also looked at a 36 ft fifth wheel, but it would probably take at least a Ford F-150 with a V-8 to haul it. We are still trying to figure this out. http://www.travelizmo.com/archives/cat_travel_trailers.html http://www.travelizmo.com/archives/cat_travel_trailers.html On 7/8/2014 7:30 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: We are seriously thinking about getting one of these. No other vehicle even comes close to the ridiculous resale value of Toyota's odd-looking, amphibious landing vehicle of a midsize SUV. With 5,000 pounds of towing capacity, it's perfect for towing a small Airstream. The FJ Cruiser’s V6 engine pumps out 260 horsepower and 271 lb.-ft. of torque. These impressive numbers are due in part to its Dual Independent Variable Valve Timing with intelligence or VVT-i. This precision timing system delivers a broad torque curve across the rpm range. Toyota FJ Cruiser 4 wheel drive 1. Toyota FJ Cruiser MSRP: $27,680 Resale value retained after five years: 70% '10 Cars That Retain Resale Value After 5 Years' http://www.thestreet.com/story/12757242/10/10-cars-that-retain-their-resale-value-after-5-years.html http://www.thestreet.com/story/12757242/10/10-cars-that-retain-their-resale-value-after-5-years.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet Day in the Netherlands?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Reading FFL this morning, it seems some of those caskets should be reserved for some of our comrades here today as the level of brain death in our on-line community seems to be increasing exponentially. Or maybe as Ann says, those who feel the need make others feel stupid because they happen to have some unconventional beliefs.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others
doesn't matter what the whereas is, the resolved that is always the same for MJ. Yes, Michael, blah, blah, blah, Willy Tex. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : It was a good post, but I reached an entirely different conclusion, from yours, as I read *all* of what Maharishi had to say - excellent reminder, all of it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Excellent post Dick! it points up very clearly what a liar and huckster Marshy was. To wit: If some friend of yours brings pleasure to you, it's not that he is the cause of pleasure, but some of our good karma is coming through him. Marshy must have felt quite self satisfied over his good karma that allowed him to have such pleasure with all the good lookin' gals he had sex with. If I do some sin in this room and no one is here, I think no one has seen it. This was certainly Marshy's mantra - the way he lied, committed fraud and screwed people over, it had to be his mantra, either that or he was just a bold self indulgent son of a bitch to teach this crap and not behave as if he believed it applied to himself. There are plenty of people who can attest to Marshy's habit of badmouthing in private people who had displeased him, and as Barry has already pointed out, as the Old Fraud aged, he reviled and disparaged people in public, in direct contravention of his own teaching. I am sure however that this part of his little speech: Don't bring bad things, sinful things, wrong things done by others to your mind, and don't let that mind be spoiled which is being infused with God Consciousness through Transcendental Meditation. was intended to get his followers to ignore his own blatant sins and moral transgressions. What a forward thinking fellow he was! From: Dick Mays dickmays@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others 7/21-23/14 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others MAHARISHI: Everyone enjoys or suffers in life due to his own karma [action]. Nobody else brings suffering to a man. His own karma brings it. If some friend of yours brings pleasure to you, it's not that he is the cause of pleasure, but some of our good karma is coming through him. The same friend tomorrow becomes a bad friend, begins to bring pain. He's not responsible for bringing the pain. Our bad karma comes through him and we suffer. He is only the donkey of our action; he's only the carrier, he carries it for us. Whatever belongs to us he brings to us, he delivers; he is just a postman bringing our letter. QUESTION: But for the friend, when he brings harm to us it will be a bad karma for him then? MAHARISHI: He has not become the carrier of our good deeds. Unfortunately, he has become the carrier of our bad deeds. QUESTION: But he will suffer for this doing by him? MAHARISHI: He will suffer for his doing, but I will suffer for my doing. I can't put my suffering onto someone else. If I do some sin in this room and no one is here, I think no one has seen it. But it has been exposed to the whole universe. Everyone in the universe knows it, and somehow that will be delivered back to us by all the agencies in the universe knowing or unknowing. If you are committing sin in the room, then you are creating sinful vibrations. And 'sinful vibrations' means wherever they go, they will damage the evolution of that thing. Someone speaks ill of the other and plans to damage him -- a very underneath [sneaky] plan, nothing on the surface. He's damaging the entire creation by his mischief because the agency of thought is just vibration. That is why scriptures forbid us from speaking ill of someone, or damaging someone, doing harm to someone because [even though] apparently we seem to be harming him, eventually we have to be harmed by our own doing of the harm to someone else. To save the doer, the teaching is: Don't do any bad thing to anyone, don't commit sin, go for virtue, help thy neighbor, so that thy[self] may be helped In India there is a proverb: if someone speaks ill of the other, he partakes of his sin. Do we have any such proverb here in the West? (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others
as a matter of fact, and it's funny you should bring that up, but I was thinking tonight that I am bending back towards the eastern/Hindu way of thinking actually. That could be for two reasons. 1) I've been having a chance to meditate after work lately. Just the TM part for about 20 minutes, and it has been nice. 2) I think that meditation in general is good. I admit, I am not familiar with any other type of meditation other than TM, but I think for meditation to be effective, there must be some transcending. Are you in agreement with that, Michael? Not being facetious here, really just wondering. And so, is transcending a part of typical meditation techniques? Really, not trying to sound like a doofus, I don't know. But, I've been thinking that TM does offer a means to transcend. That has been my direct experience. Back in the day, I used to transcend deeply. Now, I think I am just too fatigue laden for that to happen. But the technique and the seven steps are pretty nifty in teaching a person how to do it. Yes, I know, not many stay regular with the practice, for whatever reason, but if you feel transcending thought is something valuable, then TM has something to offer, I think. Any thoughts? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Like you ever change your opinions? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others doesn't matter what the whereas is, the resolved that is always the same for MJ. Yes, Michael, blah, blah, blah, Willy Tex. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : It was a good post, but I reached an entirely different conclusion, from yours, as I read *all* of what Maharishi had to say - excellent reminder, all of it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Excellent post Dick! it points up very clearly what a liar and huckster Marshy was. To wit: If some friend of yours brings pleasure to you, it's not that he is the cause of pleasure, but some of our good karma is coming through him. Marshy must have felt quite self satisfied over his good karma that allowed him to have such pleasure with all the good lookin' gals he had sex with. If I do some sin in this room and no one is here, I think no one has seen it. This was certainly Marshy's mantra - the way he lied, committed fraud and screwed people over, it had to be his mantra, either that or he was just a bold self indulgent son of a bitch to teach this crap and not behave as if he believed it applied to himself. There are plenty of people who can attest to Marshy's habit of badmouthing in private people who had displeased him, and as Barry has already pointed out, as the Old Fraud aged, he reviled and disparaged people in public, in direct contravention of his own teaching. I am sure however that this part of his little speech: Don't bring bad things, sinful things, wrong things done by others to your mind, and don't let that mind be spoiled which is being infused with God Consciousness through Transcendental Meditation. was intended to get his followers to ignore his own blatant sins and moral transgressions. What a forward thinking fellow he was! From: Dick Mays dickmays@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others 7/21-23/14 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others MAHARISHI: Everyone enjoys or suffers in life due to his own karma [action]. Nobody else brings suffering to a man. His own karma brings it. If some friend of yours brings pleasure to you, it's not that he is the cause of pleasure, but some of our good karma is coming through him. The same friend tomorrow becomes a bad friend, begins to bring pain. He's not responsible for bringing the pain. Our bad karma comes through him and we suffer. He is only the donkey of our action; he's only the carrier, he carries it for us. Whatever belongs to us he brings to us, he delivers; he is just a postman bringing our letter. QUESTION: But for the friend, when he brings harm to us it will be a bad karma for him then? MAHARISHI: He has not become the carrier of our good deeds. Unfortunately, he has become the carrier of our bad deeds. QUESTION: But he will suffer for this doing by him? MAHARISHI: He will suffer for his doing, but I will suffer for my doing. I can't put my suffering onto someone else. If I do some sin in this room and no one is here, I think no one has seen it. But it has been exposed to the whole universe. Everyone in the universe knows it, and somehow that will be
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others
okay, I guess that is your opinion. I am not sure if that theory is borne out by the actual experience of long term mediators, or those who have this experience. I am no expert on Eastern or Vedic literature, but I believe you can pretty much throw out the whole tenant of the various stages of spiritual growth with this assertion, as it is outlined in these texts. It would also be interesting to see what is the trajectory of experience in the forms of meditation that you practice, or find of value, if there are such. Or maybe you consign the whole bunch to the trash heap. I don't know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that which people call witnessing is a state of disassociation - ergo, that which TM'ers love to believe is a sign of rising enlightenment is actually a psychotic state of disconnect from reality. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Oh, okay. My take is that the spiritual path is rigorous, and that transcending offers a respite. That has been my experience. I can't say that the dissociative state is something that makes much sense to me. I can see where there might be some objection to the mantra being associated with a Hindu Deity. I can see where someone might be put off by the ceremony, but quieting of the mind, with the resulting lowering of metabolic activity seem to be positive things in my opinion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I personally feel that Marshy made up a lot of his teaching to suit himself and his personal agenda, rather than it being something he learned at Swami Bramananda's feet. I think the kind of transcending TM leads to is that unhealthy dissociative state. It would be interesting perhaps for you to try another kind of meditation. Chopra's Primordial Sound might be a good one, the kind sounds of silence was talking about today. I did it for a number of years. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others as a matter of fact, and it's funny you should bring that up, but I was thinking tonight that I am bending back towards the eastern/Hindu way of thinking actually. That could be for two reasons. 1) I've been having a chance to meditate after work lately. Just the TM part for about 20 minutes, and it has been nice. 2) I think that meditation in general is good. I admit, I am not familiar with any other type of meditation other than TM, but I think for meditation to be effective, there must be some transcending. Are you in agreement with that, Michael? Not being facetious here, really just wondering. And so, is transcending a part of typical meditation techniques? Really, not trying to sound like a doofus, I don't know. But, I've been thinking that TM does offer a means to transcend. That has been my direct experience. Back in the day, I used to transcend deeply. Now, I think I am just too fatigue laden for that to happen. But the technique and the seven steps are pretty nifty in teaching a person how to do it. Yes, I know, not many stay regular with the practice, for whatever reason, but if you feel transcending thought is something valuable, then TM has something to offer, I think. Any thoughts? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Like you ever change your opinions? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others doesn't matter what the whereas is, the resolved that is always the same for MJ. Yes, Michael, blah, blah, blah, Willy Tex. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : It was a good post, but I reached an entirely different conclusion, from yours, as I read *all* of what Maharishi had to say - excellent reminder, all of it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Excellent post Dick! it points up very clearly what a liar and huckster Marshy was. To wit: If some friend of yours brings pleasure to you, it's not that he is the cause of pleasure, but some of our good karma is coming through him. Marshy must have felt quite self satisfied over his good karma that allowed him to have such pleasure with all the good lookin' gals he had sex with. If I do some sin in this room and no one is here, I think no one has seen it. This was certainly Marshy's mantra
Re: [FairfieldLife] Journey To Your True Calling
That helps answer my question I guess. That was some pretty strong power of suggestion going on, evidently. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Chopra did piggyback on Marshy's success - when he broke from the Movement, he had spent to much time and effort and book space praising meditation (up till that time TM) he wanted to capitalize on the opportunity to cash in on his own growing popularity and thus needed a meditation he could have taught in his name. All of his initial meditation instructors were disaffected TM teachers (like Roger Gabriel). The initiation is slightly different as there is no puja, the teacher has a little Sanskrit ditty they chant and then give you the mantra. But yes, the instructions as to how to use the mantra are essentially the same. As to effect, subjectively with the TM mantra I usually felt like I was sinking into the Absolute, with the PSM mantra I felt the Absolute was being enlivened or waking up within me. Thanks goodness I finally figured out it was all made up bullshit in my head brought on by suggestion from the organizations that teach it all. Now I transcend with a very nice filet mignon raised by Amish farmers in Ohio that my niece brings down when she comes to visit from Akron. From: soundofstillness@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Journey To Your True Calling jr_... I like your ideas here. If nothing seems to work, go play tennis. In a way, it is a form of yoga. Share Long imho, roller skating around Stanley Park is the best yoga (-: Would Maharishi call this the 'outward stroke of yoga'? Dying the cloth. I find swimming in the moonlight on 2nd beach more refreshing than tennis. And a good way to wet the cloth. I met with a friend this afternoon who is part of the organizing committe for a local school that is five minutes from Stanley Park (and the closest we'll probably ever get to the Stanley Cup) celebrating its 100th anniversary later this year. As it turns out Jimi Hendrix's grandma lived nearby when he was in grades 1 and 2 and he was a student. Jimi talks about the school and his family in this interview . . . talks about his grandma and her boyfriend with a little chuckle, as if grandmas have boyfriends. http://youtu.be/Onro-3b-YIw ps. MJ, (my name is Michael as well) the 'nakshatra' mantras have a different 'feel' to me than the shakti mantras. David Frawley, who works with Deepak as well as many other organizations, has suggested it's fine to add a shakti mantra to the string once a meditator has gained experience. Fine to allow the different resonances into our being. Isn't PSM a transcending form of meditation, same as TM? Thinking the mantra as if it's a whisp of a faint feathery cloud that breaks apart into the purity of awareness left to itself. Would you express that image in the 1st or 2nd day's checking? ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Journey To Your True Calling
I think I follow what you are saying Ann. But here. I think the deadliest poison for spiritual development is mood making. Like, to be avoided at all costs. So, when someone wants to attribute experiences which come about from the practice of mediation, or during meditation to simply mood making, well that would be something I might take issue with. On the other hand, I'm not trying to sell any particular experience. It is just that it doesn't jibe with my experience, unless I am deluding myself. There is always the real world which can be used as a good benchmark to see if your life is going in a good direction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That helps answer my question I guess. That was some pretty strong power of suggestion going on, evidently. Personally I believe we imbue suggestion with power. It all comes from the mind and consciousness anyway, whether we are reacting or experiencing something like meditation or processing an intellectual concept like the one that states if we do TM we are going to have great things happen to/for us. Either way we are the ones taking something and making it stronger or better or more effective by adding the ingredient of consciousness. It could be a filet mignon or it could be a mantra - either way the thing needs human attention to make it what it is in relation to our beingness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Chopra did piggyback on Marshy's success - when he broke from the Movement, he had spent to much time and effort and book space praising meditation (up till that time TM) he wanted to capitalize on the opportunity to cash in on his own growing popularity and thus needed a meditation he could have taught in his name. All of his initial meditation instructors were disaffected TM teachers (like Roger Gabriel). The initiation is slightly different as there is no puja, the teacher has a little Sanskrit ditty they chant and then give you the mantra. But yes, the instructions as to how to use the mantra are essentially the same. As to effect, subjectively with the TM mantra I usually felt like I was sinking into the Absolute, with the PSM mantra I felt the Absolute was being enlivened or waking up within me. Thanks goodness I finally figured out it was all made up bullshit in my head brought on by suggestion from the organizations that teach it all. Now I transcend with a very nice filet mignon raised by Amish farmers in Ohio that my niece brings down when she comes to visit from Akron.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Journey To Your True Calling
I like the expression Jim uses on occasion. Sometimes you have to put on your big boy pants and say, hey, this isn't working for me. I need to go in a different direction And if, for some reason, you are unable to do that, then you may likely fall into the cycle you describe below. I think what you, and others do, is take that cross section of those who tend to follow a little too blindly, (which I believe is a rather small subset), and apply that mindset to the entire organization. And do so with unbridled zeal. It also begs the question, you really bought wholeheartedly into the claims such that all these years later you still are processing the experience? Or maybe it is the opportunity cost that you are lamenting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Well, that is one of the reasons for staying away from TM. A good deal of the TM experience is and was mood making. I have known many a TM'er whose life was going to hell, and Marshy and the true believer teachers would always tell them that something good was happening, that life was getting better when it obviously was not. I knew a bunch of people at MIU, both staff and those who lived in town that existed in a perpetual holding pattern that was created by their believing what Marshy and Company told them about life and their personal experiences instead of taking the reins in their own hands and doing something other than relying on TM to fix everything. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Journey To Your True Calling I think I follow what you are saying Ann. But here. I think the deadliest poison for spiritual development is mood making. Like, to be avoided at all costs. So, when someone wants to attribute experiences which come about from the practice of mediation, or during meditation to simply mood making, well that would be something I might take issue with. On the other hand, I'm not trying to sell any particular experience. It is just that it doesn't jibe with my experience, unless I am deluding myself. There is always the real world which can be used as a good benchmark to see if your life is going in a good direction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That helps answer my question I guess. That was some pretty strong power of suggestion going on, evidently. Personally I believe we imbue suggestion with power. It all comes from the mind and consciousness anyway, whether we are reacting or experiencing something like meditation or processing an intellectual concept like the one that states if we do TM we are going to have great things happen to/for us. Either way we are the ones taking something and making it stronger or better or more effective by adding the ingredient of consciousness. It could be a filet mignon or it could be a mantra - either way the thing needs human attention to make it what it is in relation to our beingness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Chopra did piggyback on Marshy's success - when he broke from the Movement, he had spent to much time and effort and book space praising meditation (up till that time TM) he wanted to capitalize on the opportunity to cash in on his own growing popularity and thus needed a meditation he could have taught in his name. All of his initial meditation instructors were disaffected TM teachers (like Roger Gabriel). The initiation is slightly different as there is no puja, the teacher has a little Sanskrit ditty they chant and then give you the mantra. But yes, the instructions as to how to use the mantra are essentially the same. As to effect, subjectively with the TM mantra I usually felt like I was sinking into the Absolute, with the PSM mantra I felt the Absolute was being enlivened or waking up within me. Thanks goodness I finally figured out it was all made up bullshit in my head brought on by suggestion from the organizations that teach it all. Now I transcend with a very nice filet mignon raised by Amish farmers in Ohio that my niece brings down when she comes to visit from Akron.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others
I would say your theory makes sense only if you abolish the whole notion of the so called higher states of consciousness I apologize in advance if the spiritual path is not a path for the faint of heart. We've discussed, dark night of the soul experiences here often. Might as well dismiss those as well. And I will tell you, that most professionals have little notion of what might be called the spiritual life. It just doesn't show up in anything they are familiar with. You're on your own with that buddy boy. On the other hand, you do see the phenomenon among people who have bailed from the path, to then revert to trashing the path, in every way, shape and form. You'd think they'd just move on without a big to-do about it all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : See? That's what I am talking about - were the experience really an experience of feeling yourself to be the unbounded awareness that supposedly underlies all creation, there would be no fear. But I know a lot of folks who describe similar experiences to the one you had and I think its a pretty good fit for the psychologists assessment of them. But when the TM'ers started having such things happen, Marshy had to make up some pie in the sky story to convince them to stick with him so he had to tell them it was positive. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that which people call witnessing is a state of disassociation - ergo, that which TM'ers love to believe is a sign of rising enlightenment is actually a psychotic state of disconnect from reality. I have to agree with you on the disassociation thing. Witnessing is not pleasant. It used to happen randomly to me as a young person, before TM and sometimes after learning TM. Sometimes it was associated with an event that was freaky or scary which would cause me to witness. Other times it would just happen - the first time when I was 10 years old in Switzerland, I remember it clearly and it scared me because it lasted for about an hour. This is not a state that feels good or appears to accomplish anything for the witnesser other than to make one feel distant from oneself. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like this going on for months or even years. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Oh, okay. My take is that the spiritual path is rigorous, and that transcending offers a respite. That has been my experience. I can't say that the dissociative state is something that makes much sense to me. I can see where there might be some objection to the mantra being associated with a Hindu Deity. I can see where someone might be put off by the ceremony, but quieting of the mind, with the resulting lowering of metabolic activity seem to be positive things in my opinion.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others
Hey, it helps to know how you view things. So, since you don't buy in to any of this stuff, your role here is to just point out the idiocy of people who like to discuss such issues, or share their experiences, which you evidently believe have no credence? Just askin' I mean, it is a rather funny use of one's time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : for me, I have dropped the notion of higher states of consciousness - its all one thing, what some refer to as higher (which carries a connotation of lower states of awareness) are just experiences, none higher and none lower. As I have stated here on FFL before, its just a bunch of made up stuff to make people feel higher, mightier and more important. And I have said before that it started with the ancient Indians who were too lazy or socially inept to live in society. They just wanted to laze around all day and contemplate the universe and when they ate some extra special mushrooms or some such, they said 'Hey! This is how it is! This is REAL reality. So when some traveler came along and said What are you sitting around for! Get yer ass up and do something, the self styled rishi would pontificate about real reality and try to get the traveler to follow his new path so as to get friends and corroboration that the rishi's way of looking at the world was the right one. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others I would say your theory makes sense only if you abolish the whole notion of the so called higher states of consciousness I apologize in advance if the spiritual path is not a path for the faint of heart. We've discussed, dark night of the soul experiences here often. Might as well dismiss those as well. And I will tell you, that most professionals have little notion of what might be called the spiritual life. It just doesn't show up in anything they are familiar with. You're on your own with that buddy boy. On the other hand, you do see the phenomenon among people who have bailed from the path, to then revert to trashing the path, in every way, shape and form. You'd think they'd just move on without a big to-do about it all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : See? That's what I am talking about - were the experience really an experience of feeling yourself to be the unbounded awareness that supposedly underlies all creation, there would be no fear. But I know a lot of folks who describe similar experiences to the one you had and I think its a pretty good fit for the psychologists assessment of them. But when the TM'ers started having such things happen, Marshy had to make up some pie in the sky story to convince them to stick with him so he had to tell them it was positive. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that which people call witnessing is a state of disassociation - ergo, that which TM'ers love to believe is a sign of rising enlightenment is actually a psychotic state of disconnect from reality. I have to agree with you on the disassociation thing. Witnessing is not pleasant. It used to happen randomly to me as a young person, before TM and sometimes after learning TM. Sometimes it was associated with an event that was freaky or scary which would cause me to witness. Other times it would just happen - the first time when I was 10 years old in Switzerland, I remember it clearly and it scared me because it lasted for about an hour. This is not a state that feels good or appears to accomplish anything for the witnesser other than to make one feel distant from oneself. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like this going on for months or even years. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Oh, okay. My take is that the spiritual path is rigorous, and that transcending offers a respite. That has been my experience. I can't say that the dissociative state is something that makes much sense to me. I can see where there might be some objection to the mantra being associated with a Hindu Deity. I can see where someone might be put off by the ceremony, but quieting of the mind, with the resulting lowering of metabolic activity seem to be positive things in my opinion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DISSOCIATIVE DISORDERS MEDITATION
If you want to get committed to an mental institution, describe your spiritual experiences to a mental health professional. You will learn early on to just shut up about them. Or maybe you change the phrasing some, and then they think you are highly actualized. But, better to just shut up about them. On the other hand, I have no doubt that as you say, (having just skimmed some of it), that a spiritual practice can push one over the edge. Our friend Michael likes to take such instances and state them as the rule, rather than as the rare exception. I think it is more likely that one disassociates from the practice once things get too hairy. But to look to a mental health professional to either validate or invalidate so called spiritual experiences would be a waste of time, at least IMO. Better to just see how a person performs in daily activity. I think you get a much better idea of their state of mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : It might be useful to note that dissociative disorders reference a 'healthy' ego as the centre of what a person is. Spiritual disciplines, while not destroying the ego, displaces it from the centre of experience - it becomes a peripheral object of experience rather than the centre of experience. To do that successfully the mind must be modified to regard ego differently, to understand that the ego is simply a concoction of mental processes and attitudes that have been given a label — 'ME'. In regard to ego, spiritual techniques are very likely going to produce some experiences of dissociation as the centre of life in 'ignorance' is going to get disrupted. The experience of 'pure consciousness', i.e., a silent mind watching, witnessing thoughts and mental states would seem to correspond more with Depersonalisation Disorder rather than Identity Disorder (which was formerly Multiple Personality Disorder). DISSOCIATIVE DISORDERS DISSOCIATIVE AMNESIA: In dissociative amnesia, a person has one or more experiences of being unable to remember or recall important information about himself. This difficulty in remembering information goes beyond simple forgetfulness. The information that the person cannot recall is usually about some kind of traumatic or stressful event. DISSOCIATIVE FUGUE: Someone with this disorder will suddenly forget about his past and unexpectedly travel away from home. The person may also experience some confusion about his identity or even assume a completely new identity. DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER: This disorder used to be called, 'Multiple Personality Disorder.' A person with dissociative identity disorder will have two or more separate identities that each have their own way of thinking and relating to the world. To have this disorder, a minimum of two of these identities must also take control over the person's behaviour again and again. Finally, the person with dissociative identity disorder may also have difficulty remembering personal information that, like dissociative amnesia, goes beyond simple forgetfulness. DEPERSONALISATION DISORDER: In depersonalisation disorder, a person feels 'detached from' their thoughts or body. For example, they may feel as though they are floating outside their body, looking at people through a window, or in a dream. Despite these experiences though, the person still stays in touch with reality. DISSOCIATIVE DISORDER NOT OTHERWISE SPECIFIED: This term is used by the DSM-IV to describe a dissociative disorder where the main feature is still some kind of dissociative experience, but criteria for other dissociative disorders are not present. The following are links to tests used for screening patients for potential Dissociative Identity Disorder. The test does not diagnose the disorders, that involves more work with a professional. If you take this exam and score high, then it is more likely you could have the disorders. Test for Dissociative Identity Disorder http://counsellingresource.com/lib/quizzes/misc-tests/des/ http://counsellingresource.com/lib/quizzes/misc-tests/des/ Test for Depersonalisation Disorder http://www.strangerinthemirror.com/questionnaire.html http://www.strangerinthemirror.com/questionnaire.html Now I have observed people who did different kinds of meditation describe some of the features found on this test, and I myself have experienced a number of them to some degree, both before I learned TM, or any spiritual technique, during, and using other techniques as well. How this affects you depends on how well your understanding copes with the experiences, because it is how the mind interprets experience which determines whether you will find something disturbing. Meditation is going to disrupt the ego and shift its relative importance and it is going to result in certain kinds of dissociation. I would say CC is the greatest of these as the split
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others
Nor would I expect you too, if it supports something you wish to believe. What does it say on the home page here, What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite. ~ Bertrand Russell ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : well, obviously if you believe in what M taught then you believe it whole cloth (at least some people do) those who study such things, psychologist and head shrinkers and the like have said the state of witnessing and transcending that meditators (including TM'ers) have described is a state of disassociation. I shan't argue with them. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others okay, I guess that is your opinion. I am not sure if that theory is borne out by the actual experience of long term mediators, or those who have this experience. I am no expert on Eastern or Vedic literature, but I believe you can pretty much throw out the whole tenant of the various stages of spiritual growth with this assertion, as it is outlined in these texts. It would also be interesting to see what is the trajectory of experience in the forms of meditation that you practice, or find of value, if there are such. Or maybe you consign the whole bunch to the trash heap. I don't know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that which people call witnessing is a state of disassociation - ergo, that which TM'ers love to believe is a sign of rising enlightenment is actually a psychotic state of disconnect from reality. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Oh, okay. My take is that the spiritual path is rigorous, and that transcending offers a respite. That has been my experience. I can't say that the dissociative state is something that makes much sense to me. I can see where there might be some objection to the mantra being associated with a Hindu Deity. I can see where someone might be put off by the ceremony, but quieting of the mind, with the resulting lowering of metabolic activity seem to be positive things in my opinion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I personally feel that Marshy made up a lot of his teaching to suit himself and his personal agenda, rather than it being something he learned at Swami Bramananda's feet. I think the kind of transcending TM leads to is that unhealthy dissociative state. It would be interesting perhaps for you to try another kind of meditation. Chopra's Primordial Sound might be a good one, the kind sounds of silence was talking about today. I did it for a number of years. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others as a matter of fact, and it's funny you should bring that up, but I was thinking tonight that I am bending back towards the eastern/Hindu way of thinking actually. That could be for two reasons. 1) I've been having a chance to meditate after work lately. Just the TM part for about 20 minutes, and it has been nice. 2) I think that meditation in general is good. I admit, I am not familiar with any other type of meditation other than TM, but I think for meditation to be effective, there must be some transcending. Are you in agreement with that, Michael? Not being facetious here, really just wondering. And so, is transcending a part of typical meditation techniques? Really, not trying to sound like a doofus, I don't know. But, I've been thinking that TM does offer a means to transcend. That has been my direct experience. Back in the day, I used to transcend deeply. Now, I think I am just too fatigue laden for that to happen. But the technique and the seven steps are pretty nifty in teaching a person how to do it. Yes, I know, not many stay regular with the practice, for whatever reason, but if you feel transcending thought is something valuable, then TM has something to offer, I think. Any thoughts? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Like you ever change your opinions? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others doesn't matter what the whereas
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others
I know I commented on this before, but going through things again, more leisurely, this is just a too funny analysis by Michael of those who have chosen a different path. God love him. Somehow Michael, you regularly make the exception the rule. And you are always so sure of yourself. Begs the Dr. Phil question, How's that working for you ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : for me, I have dropped the notion of higher states of consciousness - its all one thing, what some refer to as higher (which carries a connotation of lower states of awareness) are just experiences, none higher and none lower. As I have stated here on FFL before, its just a bunch of made up stuff to make people feel higher, mightier and more important. And I have said before that it started with the ancient Indians who were too lazy or socially inept to live in society. They just wanted to laze around all day and contemplate the universe and when they ate some extra special mushrooms or some such, they said 'Hey! This is how it is! This is REAL reality. So when some traveler came along and said What are you sitting around for! Get yer ass up and do something, the self styled rishi would pontificate about real reality and try to get the traveler to follow his new path so as to get friends and corroboration that the rishi's way of looking at the world was the right one. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others I would say your theory makes sense only if you abolish the whole notion of the so called higher states of consciousness I apologize in advance if the spiritual path is not a path for the faint of heart. We've discussed, dark night of the soul experiences here often. Might as well dismiss those as well. And I will tell you, that most professionals have little notion of what might be called the spiritual life. It just doesn't show up in anything they are familiar with. You're on your own with that buddy boy. On the other hand, you do see the phenomenon among people who have bailed from the path, to then revert to trashing the path, in every way, shape and form. You'd think they'd just move on without a big to-do about it all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : See? That's what I am talking about - were the experience really an experience of feeling yourself to be the unbounded awareness that supposedly underlies all creation, there would be no fear. But I know a lot of folks who describe similar experiences to the one you had and I think its a pretty good fit for the psychologists assessment of them. But when the TM'ers started having such things happen, Marshy had to make up some pie in the sky story to convince them to stick with him so he had to tell them it was positive. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that which people call witnessing is a state of disassociation - ergo, that which TM'ers love to believe is a sign of rising enlightenment is actually a psychotic state of disconnect from reality. I have to agree with you on the disassociation thing. Witnessing is not pleasant. It used to happen randomly to me as a young person, before TM and sometimes after learning TM. Sometimes it was associated with an event that was freaky or scary which would cause me to witness. Other times it would just happen - the first time when I was 10 years old in Switzerland, I remember it clearly and it scared me because it lasted for about an hour. This is not a state that feels good or appears to accomplish anything for the witnesser other than to make one feel distant from oneself. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like this going on for months or even years. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Oh, okay. My take is that the spiritual path is rigorous, and that transcending offers a respite. That has been my experience. I can't say that the dissociative state is something that makes much sense to me. I can see where there might be some objection to the mantra being associated with a Hindu Deity. I can see where someone might be put off by the ceremony, but quieting of the mind, with the resulting lowering of metabolic activity seem to be positive things
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others
that sounds of interest Share. I think the default is to generally keep ones experiences close to the vest. You always run a risk when you go public with them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, most of the professionals in FF HAVE a spiritual life and for quite some time. And even now our professional community is actively creating bridges between the psychological and spiritual domains of life. This project was started by one such professional and has been met with wise and enthusiastic support both on and off campus. On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:15 AM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I would say your theory makes sense only if you abolish the whole notion of the so called higher states of consciousness I apologize in advance if the spiritual path is not a path for the faint of heart. We've discussed, dark night of the soul experiences here often. Might as well dismiss those as well. And I will tell you, that most professionals have little notion of what might be called the spiritual life. It just doesn't show up in anything they are familiar with. You're on your own with that buddy boy. On the other hand, you do see the phenomenon among people who have bailed from the path, to then revert to trashing the path, in every way, shape and form. You'd think they'd just move on without a big to-do about it all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : See? That's what I am talking about - were the experience really an experience of feeling yourself to be the unbounded awareness that supposedly underlies all creation, there would be no fear. But I know a lot of folks who describe similar experiences to the one you had and I think its a pretty good fit for the psychologists assessment of them. But when the TM'ers started having such things happen, Marshy had to make up some pie in the sky story to convince them to stick with him so he had to tell them it was positive. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that which people call witnessing is a state of disassociation - ergo, that which TM'ers love to believe is a sign of rising enlightenment is actually a psychotic state of disconnect from reality. I have to agree with you on the disassociation thing. Witnessing is not pleasant. It used to happen randomly to me as a young person, before TM and sometimes after learning TM. Sometimes it was associated with an event that was freaky or scary which would cause me to witness. Other times it would just happen - the first time when I was 10 years old in Switzerland, I remember it clearly and it scared me because it lasted for about an hour. This is not a state that feels good or appears to accomplish anything for the witnesser other than to make one feel distant from oneself. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like this going on for months or even years. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Oh, okay. My take is that the spiritual path is rigorous, and that transcending offers a respite. That has been my experience. I can't say that the dissociative state is something that makes much sense to me. I can see where there might be some objection to the mantra being associated with a Hindu Deity. I can see where someone might be put off by the ceremony, but quieting of the mind, with the resulting lowering of metabolic activity seem to be positive things in my opinion.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others
I'll try to keep that in mind Michael. But, when you go on record saying certain things, then you might be called upon to back them up. Whether you do, or not, is a different matter. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that's your projection on my role here, its not mine. I have no role on FFL - I'm just here. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Hey, it helps to know how you view things. So, since you don't buy in to any of this stuff, your role here is to just point out the idiocy of people who like to discuss such issues, or share their experiences, which you evidently believe have no credence? Just askin' I mean, it is a rather funny use of one's time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : for me, I have dropped the notion of higher states of consciousness - its all one thing, what some refer to as higher (which carries a connotation of lower states of awareness) are just experiences, none higher and none lower. As I have stated here on FFL before, its just a bunch of made up stuff to make people feel higher, mightier and more important. And I have said before that it started with the ancient Indians who were too lazy or socially inept to live in society. They just wanted to laze around all day and contemplate the universe and when they ate some extra special mushrooms or some such, they said 'Hey! This is how it is! This is REAL reality. So when some traveler came along and said What are you sitting around for! Get yer ass up and do something, the self styled rishi would pontificate about real reality and try to get the traveler to follow his new path so as to get friends and corroboration that the rishi's way of looking at the world was the right one. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others I would say your theory makes sense only if you abolish the whole notion of the so called higher states of consciousness I apologize in advance if the spiritual path is not a path for the faint of heart. We've discussed, dark night of the soul experiences here often. Might as well dismiss those as well. And I will tell you, that most professionals have little notion of what might be called the spiritual life. It just doesn't show up in anything they are familiar with. You're on your own with that buddy boy. On the other hand, you do see the phenomenon among people who have bailed from the path, to then revert to trashing the path, in every way, shape and form. You'd think they'd just move on without a big to-do about it all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : See? That's what I am talking about - were the experience really an experience of feeling yourself to be the unbounded awareness that supposedly underlies all creation, there would be no fear. But I know a lot of folks who describe similar experiences to the one you had and I think its a pretty good fit for the psychologists assessment of them. But when the TM'ers started having such things happen, Marshy had to make up some pie in the sky story to convince them to stick with him so he had to tell them it was positive. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : that which people call witnessing is a state of disassociation - ergo, that which TM'ers love to believe is a sign of rising enlightenment is actually a psychotic state of disconnect from reality. I have to agree with you on the disassociation thing. Witnessing is not pleasant. It used to happen randomly to me as a young person, before TM and sometimes after learning TM. Sometimes it was associated with an event that was freaky or scary which would cause me to witness. Other times it would just happen - the first time when I was 10 years old in Switzerland, I remember it clearly and it scared me because it lasted for about an hour. This is not a state that feels good or appears to accomplish anything for the witnesser other than to make one feel distant from oneself. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like this going on for months or even years. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DISSOCIATIVE DISORDERS MEDITATION
Michael, I am afraid it is speculation on your part wr to suicides and attempted suicides on the part of practitioners of TM. Maybe the facts will bear that out, but you really don't know. but speaking of getting rid of ideas, you seem to think that anyone who had, or currently has, a positive connection with the TMO is deluding themselves. It's a rather arrogant, one sided point of view, but a main tenant of your posting here. You don't seem to realize that there is a range of involvement people have or had with it, and also a range of benefits they may have derived from it. I don't see that changing anytime soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : again your point of view. Mine is that once you get rid of the idea that Marshy was always telling the truth and was a fount of great wisdom and start looking with a clear eye at the Movement AND start listening to people who got broken from doing TM you find that getting in a state of mental aberration is much more the rule than the rare exception. But people want to hide from and ignore these things for many reasons. The fairly high incidence of suicides and attempted suicides amongst long term TM'ers is a good example. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: DISSOCIATIVE DISORDERS MEDITATION If you want to get committed to an mental institution, describe your spiritual experiences to a mental health professional. You will learn early on to just shut up about them. Or maybe you change the phrasing some, and then they think you are highly actualized. But, better to just shut up about them. On the other hand, I have no doubt that as you say, (having just skimmed some of it), that a spiritual practice can push one over the edge. Our friend Michael likes to take such instances and state them as the rule, rather than as the rare exception. I think it is more likely that one disassociates from the practice once things get too hairy. But to look to a mental health professional to either validate or invalidate so called spiritual experiences would be a waste of time, at least IMO. Better to just see how a person performs in daily activity. I think you get a much better idea of their state of mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : It might be useful to note that dissociative disorders reference a 'healthy' ego as the centre of what a person is. Spiritual disciplines, while not destroying the ego, displaces it from the centre of experience - it becomes a peripheral object of experience rather than the centre of experience. To do that successfully the mind must be modified to regard ego differently, to understand that the ego is simply a concoction of mental processes and attitudes that have been given a label — 'ME'. In regard to ego, spiritual techniques are very likely going to produce some experiences of dissociation as the centre of life in 'ignorance' is going to get disrupted. The experience of 'pure consciousness', i.e., a silent mind watching, witnessing thoughts and mental states would seem to correspond more with Depersonalisation Disorder rather than Identity Disorder (which was formerly Multiple Personality Disorder). DISSOCIATIVE DISORDERS DISSOCIATIVE AMNESIA: In dissociative amnesia, a person has one or more experiences of being unable to remember or recall important information about himself. This difficulty in remembering information goes beyond simple forgetfulness. The information that the person cannot recall is usually about some kind of traumatic or stressful event. DISSOCIATIVE FUGUE: Someone with this disorder will suddenly forget about his past and unexpectedly travel away from home. The person may also experience some confusion about his identity or even assume a completely new identity. DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER: This disorder used to be called, 'Multiple Personality Disorder.' A person with dissociative identity disorder will have two or more separate identities that each have their own way of thinking and relating to the world. To have this disorder, a minimum of two of these identities must also take control over the person's behaviour again and again. Finally, the person with dissociative identity disorder may also have difficulty remembering personal information that, like dissociative amnesia, goes beyond simple forgetfulness. DEPERSONALISATION DISORDER: In depersonalisation disorder, a person feels 'detached from' their thoughts or body. For example, they may feel as though they are floating outside their body, looking at people through a window, or in a dream. Despite these experiences though, the person still stays in touch with reality. DISSOCIATIVE DISORDER NOT OTHERWISE SPECIFIED: This term is used by
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Michael, I acknowledge that engaging in a spiritual practice can cause one to become unhinged, along the lines of what Xeno laid out yesterday. That includes TM and probably many others. But I don't know if the prevalence is greater among TMers, or not. I don't think it is useful to hi-light what you feel are extreme ways of doing the deed. The result is always the same. You know of course that suicide is the second leading cause of death among teenagers. I think I have that right, next to car accidents. So, for you to reference two young suicides is FF recently is a little off the mark, if you wish to attribute those to TM somehow. But be my guest if you feel so inclined. And yes, I have observed a degree of mood making among some in long term meditating category. But I've also seen that most of it is really harmless, at least as it pertains to daily living. Again, you bring up a few isolated instances to make your point. Might comment more later, but need to get going now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : like Willy Tex you are universally wrong. You have not been on FFL long enough to have read some of my posts where I have described my own pleasant experiences that I had with and around TM, and I have acknowledged that a lot of people ascribe god things to TM. I don't deny that. I do also acknowledge that TM is not for everyone and that from what many TM teachers say, about 90% of new meditators cease TM practice within the first year. I also know that much of the positive ascribed to TM by all the True Believers is at least in part mood making. And that a lot of negatives accrue from living a real TM life and getting sucked into all the bullshit thinking like being constantly in fear of normal things like south facing entrances and solar eclipses. As to the suicides I do know what I am talking about. I have heard and read of enough TM suicides and am in conversation with a couple people who were raised in the Movement as 2nd generation meditators, both of whom were at one time part of the Fairfield TM elite families who have told me about many attempted suicides right there in Fairfield and elsewhere. It is one of the most serious aspects of long term TM practice that has always been ignored and swept under the rug. Ask yourself how a long term TM'er and purusha could have deliberately set himself on fire in Marshy's home in Vlodrop? There were two suicides in Fairfield in the past year, plus many others over the years - Mark Totten, Brian Henchcliff and the list goes on and on, not to mention the attempted suicides. If you want to blithely believe they don't exist, go ahead. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DISSOCIATIVE DISORDERS MEDITATION Michael, I am afraid it is speculation on your part wr to suicides and attempted suicides on the part of practitioners of TM. Maybe the facts will bear that out, but you really don't know. but speaking of getting rid of ideas, you seem to think that anyone who had, or currently has, a positive connection with the TMO is deluding themselves. It's a rather arrogant, one sided point of view, but a main tenant of your posting here. You don't seem to realize that there is a range of involvement people have or had with it, and also a range of benefits they may have derived from it. I don't see that changing anytime soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : again your point of view. Mine is that once you get rid of the idea that Marshy was always telling the truth and was a fount of great wisdom and start looking with a clear eye at the Movement AND start listening to people who got broken from doing TM you find that getting in a state of mental aberration is much more the rule than the rare exception. But people want to hide from and ignore these things for many reasons. The fairly high incidence of suicides and attempted suicides amongst long term TM'ers is a good example. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: DISSOCIATIVE DISORDERS MEDITATION If you want to get committed to an mental institution, describe your spiritual experiences to a mental health professional. You will learn early on to just shut up about them. Or maybe you change the phrasing some, and then they think you are highly actualized. But, better to just shut up about them. On the other hand, I have no doubt that as you say, (having just skimmed some of it), that a spiritual practice can push one over the edge. Our friend Michael likes to take such instances and state them as the rule, rather than as the rare exception.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : how is it off the mark when the long term TM'ers who commit or attempt to commit suicide have spent years practicing a practice that is supposed to have only positive effects, remove all problems and make life superlative. This says more about your inability to discriminate between a vision of possibilities, and what is actually realistic. Before you take issue with that, go review the bullshit PR that grinning Bob Roth and all the TM'er promoters are using. If TM was as advertised, there would be no suicides, none. There would be no pundit riots, there would be no Ed Beckleys or Theodore Burgohffs. Michael, your grip on reality actually seems a little tenuous as you regularly empower TM with these remarkable abilities. There are not many who would recognize these powers that you attribute to the practice. The PR claims were never guarantees. The ME effect? I don't see evidence that it has produced results as advertised. Does that invalidate the whole practice? In my experience, it does not. I received the benefits which were advertised. The fact that I've gone in a different direction has nothing to do with the efficacy of the practice. I know that in your black and white world, that is difficult to comprehend, but maybe over time, it will make more sense. But there are and I tell you that the suicides and attempted suicides are a lot more prevalent than TM people think and it will ultimately be one of the main things that when publicized will bring the TMO down. Yes, Michael, you produce your anecdotal evidence as if it is fact. And when it is shown not to be the case, you just remain silent, thinking everyone has forgotten about it. Let's face it, accuracy takes a back seat to anything disparaging you can say, or find about the TMO, no matter where it happens to come from. And let's face it, you more than anyone here, is all wrapped up in anything, and everything TM related. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DISSOCIATIVE DISORDERS MEDITATION Michael, I acknowledge that engaging in a spiritual practice can cause one to become unhinged, along the lines of what Xeno laid out yesterday. That includes TM and probably many others. But I don't know if the prevalence is greater among TMers, or not. I don't think it is useful to hi-light what you feel are extreme ways of doing the deed. The result is always the same. You know of course that suicide is the second leading cause of death among teenagers. I think I have that right, next to car accidents. So, for you to reference two young suicides is FF recently is a little off the mark, if you wish to attribute those to TM somehow. But be my guest if you feel so inclined. And yes, I have observed a degree of mood making among some in long term meditating category. But I've also seen that most of it is really harmless, at least as it pertains to daily living. Again, you bring up a few isolated instances to make your point. Might comment more later, but need to get going now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : like Willy Tex you are universally wrong. You have not been on FFL long enough to have read some of my posts where I have described my own pleasant experiences that I had with and around TM, and I have acknowledged that a lot of people ascribe god things to TM. I don't deny that. I do also acknowledge that TM is not for everyone and that from what many TM teachers say, about 90% of new meditators cease TM practice within the first year. I also know that much of the positive ascribed to TM by all the True Believers is at least in part mood making. And that a lot of negatives accrue from living a real TM life and getting sucked into all the bullshit thinking like being constantly in fear of normal things like south facing entrances and solar eclipses. As to the suicides I do know what I am talking about. I have heard and read of enough TM suicides and am in conversation with a couple people who were raised in the Movement as 2nd generation meditators, both of whom were at one time part of the Fairfield TM elite families who have told me about many attempted suicides right there in Fairfield and elsewhere. It is one of the most serious aspects of long term TM practice that has always been ignored and swept under the rug. Ask yourself how a long term TM'er and purusha could have deliberately set himself on fire in Marshy's home in Vlodrop? There were two suicides in Fairfield in the past year, plus many others over the years - Mark Totten, Brian Henchcliff and the list goes on and on, not to mention the attempted suicides. If you want to blithely believe they don't exist, go ahead.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others
You do bring up a good point about wasting time, posting here Michael. I feel the exact same way about my posts in response to you. You are so far gone up the - TM is bad, MMY is bad, TMO is bad alley, that I also, know I am wasting my time to suggest that you see where in many cases your viewpoint is skewed. And now you will give me your rote reply about what a true believer I am, yada, yada, yada. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I think this is rather dramatic. Am I free from the TM chains too? Or was I ever ensnared, do you think? Do you have to have been a teacher to have been ensnared? An MIU student, a meditator? It was meant to be dramatic, not to actually reflect my views - people like Nabby and Buck are the one wearing self-wrapped TM chains. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Share, go back to sleep. Any idea I posted about having a mission or role has been posted in jest. I got a lot of info here on FFL from the old time meditators and ex-meditators which is why I joined. I was coming to terms with my past with TM and was seeking information about Marshy and the Movement. I got it. I also was convinced by Rick's info that Marshy was a sexually active man (thanks Rick!). I also have seen nearly the entire range of TM effect here on FFL, from those who apparently live their lives by some TM baloney like choosing to travel only when the jyotish chart sez so, and believing the crap about vastu veda to those highly intelligent and erudite chaps such as Barry, Curtis and Sal who have freed themselves from their TM chains. I think this is rather dramatic. Am I free from the TM chains too? Or was I ever ensnared, do you think? Do you have to have been a teacher to have been ensnared? An MIU student, a meditator? I continue to post because I like wasting time, which is what telling people like Nabby who are utterly consumed by their illusions that Marshy was a fraud. He'll never believe it, nor will anyone else whose self esteem has to have that anchor of feeling associated with an ultimate superlative. (Marshy was enlightened, a great master, a saint - his knowledge is supreme knowledge and by doing his technique and believing his crap I am cozily snuggled in a blanket of belief that I partake of supreme sattva and I am like him blah blah blah.) I also like it when Sal posts some uniquely Brit stuff that makes me laugh. Sal is a hoot. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Michael, I don't think it's Steve's projection at all! You have stated that you have a mission wrt posting on FFL. But perhaps you see role and mission as two different things! Go figger...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: A discussion of karma and MJ, was Maharishi
What's funny is that he will dig up some press release, or article that might be 30 or 40 years old, as though it is hot off the press. He finds a critical statement of someone who has done TM in the past, near or far, and trots it out as some new irrefutable piece of evidence. He seems to deny that he is on some crusade to discredit TM and the TMO. I suspect otherwise, and that many hours a day are spent on such a mission. His prerogative of course. But what happens if you pour all that attention into something and it fails to produce the desired result. I guess we'll see. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 7/24/2014 9:53 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'll try to keep that in mind Michael. But, when you go on record saying certain things, then you might be called upon to back them up. Whether you do, or not, is a different matter. Most of what MJ has posted is just rumor - things we've all heard before. He doesn't seem to be very big on references or citing any peer-reviewed scientific studies published in any learned journals about the mechanics of consciousness. He doesn't even seem to want to talk about anything except his prurient interest in the perverted sexual encounters of others - which he has mentioned at least a dozen times this month. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : that's your projection on my role here, its not mine. I have no role on FFL - I'm just here. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Hey, it helps to know how you view things. So, since you don't buy in to any of this stuff, your role here is to just point out the idiocy of people who like to discuss such issues, or share their experiences, which you evidently believe have no credence? Just askin' I mean, it is a rather funny use of one's time.
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oh, let's not forget the simple act of eating a pizza can be a means to torment MMY, wherever he may be. you know boasting about putting mushrooms on a pizza just so you can show him no, no attachment there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If nothing is found wanting, if there are no deep desires going unfulfilled, if one's life is spent in ever increasing ease and delight, and success, then, sure, have at it. Well said Doc Fleet Mac - and it pretty much describes me, so... From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Fleetwood, this is imo beautifully articulated. Thanks... On Friday, July 25, 2014 7:21 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: [Attachment(s) https://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch#TopText from fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] included below] Steve's point is a good one - How's that working for you? There are several here, who take great delight, and are very conscientious, about pointing out what they consider flaws in Maharishi's system of teaching meditation, and his considerable comments on spiritual growth. There is nothing wrong with being critical, and calling bullshit, when it is apparent, but the process only works favorably, if the same scrutiny is applied to the individual making the judgments, and doing the nit-picking. In other words, a person's credibility, in making these ongoing negative assessments about Maharishi's system, is only solid, if that same critical eye is turned on the person, by his or herself. If nothing is found wanting, if there are no deep desires going unfulfilled, if one's life is spent in ever increasing ease and delight, and success, then, sure, have at it. Turn a critical eye, and voice all of that, about Maharishi's system, over and over and over again. However, if there are deep needs of the heart going unfulfilled, or personal domains that need work, better to spend time working those out, vs. this endless diatribe, against all things Maharishi. Otherwise it looks like a bad day at work, led to kicking the dog, at home, over and over and over again, if you catch my drift. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was being somewhat facetious in my commentary on the origins of so-called vedic wisdom, but I bet I am not far off the mark From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others I know I commented on this before, but going through things again, more leisurely, this is just a too funny analysis by Michael of those who have chosen a different path. God love him. Somehow Michael, you regularly make the exception the rule. And you are always so sure of yourself. Begs the Dr. Phil question, How's that working for you ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : for me, I have dropped the notion of higher states of consciousness - its all one thing, what some refer to as higher (which carries a connotation of lower states of awareness) are just experiences, none higher and none lower. As I have stated here on FFL before, its just a bunch of made up stuff to make people feel higher, mightier and more important. And I have said before that it started with the ancient Indians who were too lazy or socially inept to live in society. They just wanted to laze around all day and contemplate the universe and when they ate some extra special mushrooms or some such, they said 'Hey! This is how it is! This is REAL reality. So when some traveler came along and said What are you sitting around for! Get yer ass up and do something, the self styled rishi would pontificate about real reality and try to get the traveler to follow his new path so as to get friends and corroboration that the rishi's way of looking at the world was the right one. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others I would say your theory makes sense only if you abolish the whole notion of the so called higher states of consciousness I apologize in advance if the spiritual path is not a path for the faint of heart. We've discussed, dark night of the soul experiences here often. Might as well dismiss those as well. And I will tell you, that most professionals have little notion of what might be
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Ann was imparting a little wisdom Michael. Sorry it went over your head. You could no more give up this crutch of yours than a baby could give up its blanket. And yes, I do feel like wasting some time right now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are right - you have changed my life. I shall now have as my mission the task of telling you that you are handling your horses incorrectly. Thanks for expanding my world!!! I am so happy now! From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I think this is rather dramatic. Am I free from the TM chains too? Or was I ever ensnared, do you think? Do you have to have been a teacher to have been ensnared? An MIU student, a meditator? It was meant to be dramatic, not to actually reflect my views - people like Nabby and Buck are the one wearing self-wrapped TM chains. Ah, but this is their choice, not to be ensnared, but to follow and believe in what they do. That is their right, their journey and, for all anyone one knows, the best thing for them. As much as you want to warn people and make them come to believe what you believe it will probably not happen and probably shouldn't. There is no more MMY to support and give money to. The Movement is in a never-ending transition just like everything else. The past is the past and the future is unknown. Let Nabby and Buck have their beliefs and their lives to live as they will. I can think of far worse things to believe in and to support. The TM Movement is a very small fry indeed. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Share, go back to sleep. Any idea I posted about having a mission or role has been posted in jest. I got a lot of info here on FFL from the old time meditators and ex-meditators which is why I joined. I was coming to terms with my past with TM and was seeking information about Marshy and the Movement. I got it. I also was convinced by Rick's info that Marshy was a sexually active man (thanks Rick!). I also have seen nearly the entire range of TM effect here on FFL, from those who apparently live their lives by some TM baloney like choosing to travel only when the jyotish chart sez so, and believing the crap about vastu veda to those highly intelligent and erudite chaps such as Barry, Curtis and Sal who have freed themselves from their TM chains. I think this is rather dramatic. Am I free from the TM chains too? Or was I ever ensnared, do you think? Do you have to have been a teacher to have been ensnared? An MIU student, a meditator? I continue to post because I like wasting time, which is what telling people like Nabby who are utterly consumed by their illusions that Marshy was a fraud. He'll never believe it, nor will anyone else whose self esteem has to have that anchor of feeling associated with an ultimate superlative. (Marshy was enlightened, a great master, a saint - his knowledge is supreme knowledge and by doing his technique and believing his crap I am cozily snuggled in a blanket of belief that I partake of supreme sattva and I am like him blah blah blah.) I also like it when Sal posts some uniquely Brit stuff that makes me laugh. Sal is a hoot.
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kind of shows the difference of a person who progresses along, and another person who remains stuck in the past. hoo boy, am I on a wasting time binge right now! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are right - you have changed my life. I shall now have as my mission the task of telling you that you are handling your horses incorrectly. Thanks for expanding my world!!! I am so happy now! I've changed your life and I'm right? Sorry, don't understand that. And if you want to tell me I am handling my horses correctly or incorrectly you are welcome to do that; I pay people to teach me all the time - other trainers and clinicians are something I access constantly in order to improve what I do in my sport. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I think this is rather dramatic. Am I free from the TM chains too? Or was I ever ensnared, do you think? Do you have to have been a teacher to have been ensnared? An MIU student, a meditator? It was meant to be dramatic, not to actually reflect my views - people like Nabby and Buck are the one wearing self-wrapped TM chains. Ah, but this is their choice, not to be ensnared, but to follow and believe in what they do. That is their right, their journey and, for all anyone one knows, the best thing for them. As much as you want to warn people and make them come to believe what you believe it will probably not happen and probably shouldn't. There is no more MMY to support and give money to. The Movement is in a never-ending transition just like everything else. The past is the past and the future is unknown. Let Nabby and Buck have their beliefs and their lives to live as they will. I can think of far worse things to believe in and to support. The TM Movement is a very small fry indeed. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Share, go back to sleep. Any idea I posted about having a mission or role has been posted in jest. I got a lot of info here on FFL from the old time meditators and ex-meditators which is why I joined. I was coming to terms with my past with TM and was seeking information about Marshy and the Movement. I got it. I also was convinced by Rick's info that Marshy was a sexually active man (thanks Rick!). I also have seen nearly the entire range of TM effect here on FFL, from those who apparently live their lives by some TM baloney like choosing to travel only when the jyotish chart sez so, and believing the crap about vastu veda to those highly intelligent and erudite chaps such as Barry, Curtis and Sal who have freed themselves from their TM chains. I think this is rather dramatic. Am I free from the TM chains too? Or was I ever ensnared, do you think? Do you have to have been a teacher to have been ensnared? An MIU student, a meditator? I continue to post because I like wasting time, which is what telling people like Nabby who are utterly consumed by their illusions that Marshy was a fraud. He'll never believe it, nor will anyone else whose self esteem has to have that anchor of feeling associated with an ultimate superlative. (Marshy was enlightened, a great master, a saint - his knowledge is supreme knowledge and by doing his technique and believing his crap I am cozily snuggled in a blanket of belief that I partake of supreme sattva and I am like him blah blah blah.) I also like it when Sal posts some uniquely Brit stuff that makes me laugh. Sal is a hoot.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others
Joke Rimshot - Punch Line Drum Sound Effect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeMwHZrUbVA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeMwHZrUbVA Joke Rimshot - Punch Line Drum Sound Effect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeMwHZrUbVA Follow up a joke (or lack thereof) with this Rimshot Sound Effect! Many more sound effects at http://SoundFXNow.com Millions of Sound Effects: http://bit.ly/... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeMwHZrUbVA Preview by Yahoo Your ultimate insult, which you find a way to repackage each day. Wait, come to think of it, Repackaging pretty much describes all you posts here! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I don 't revile you as a true believer - you have gone beyond that to become a Willy Tex clone. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others You do bring up a good point about wasting time, posting here Michael. I feel the exact same way about my posts in response to you. You are so far gone up the - TM is bad, MMY is bad, TMO is bad alley, that I also, know I am wasting my time to suggest that you see where in many cases your viewpoint is skewed. And now you will give me your rote reply about what a true believer I am, yada, yada, yada. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I think this is rather dramatic. Am I free from the TM chains too? Or was I ever ensnared, do you think? Do you have to have been a teacher to have been ensnared? An MIU student, a meditator? It was meant to be dramatic, not to actually reflect my views - people like Nabby and Buck are the one wearing self-wrapped TM chains. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Share, go back to sleep. Any idea I posted about having a mission or role has been posted in jest. I got a lot of info here on FFL from the old time meditators and ex-meditators which is why I joined. I was coming to terms with my past with TM and was seeking information about Marshy and the Movement. I got it. I also was convinced by Rick's info that Marshy was a sexually active man (thanks Rick!). I also have seen nearly the entire range of TM effect here on FFL, from those who apparently live their lives by some TM baloney like choosing to travel only when the jyotish chart sez so, and believing the crap about vastu veda to those highly intelligent and erudite chaps such as Barry, Curtis and Sal who have freed themselves from their TM chains. I think this is rather dramatic. Am I free from the TM chains too? Or was I ever ensnared, do you think? Do you have to have been a teacher to have been ensnared? An MIU student, a meditator? I continue to post because I like wasting time, which is what telling people like Nabby who are utterly consumed by their illusions that Marshy was a fraud. He'll never believe it, nor will anyone else whose self esteem has to have that anchor of feeling associated with an ultimate superlative. (Marshy was enlightened, a great master, a saint - his knowledge is supreme knowledge and by doing his technique and believing his crap I am cozily snuggled in a blanket of belief that I partake of supreme sattva and I am like him blah blah blah.) I also like it when Sal posts some uniquely Brit stuff that makes me laugh. Sal is a hoot. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Michael, I don't think it's Steve's projection at all! You have stated that you have a mission wrt posting on FFL. But perhaps you see role and mission as two different things! Go figger...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: A discussion of karma and MJ, was Maharishi
Well, you've nearly made a career of it. On the other hand, you're just one in a long line, Well, actually its a pretty short line, but somehow the baton has been passed to you. It seems to be a about a two year to five year stint. You up for that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What you refuse to recognize is that the Movement and Marshy have discredited themselves and continue to do so on a daily basis. I merely see what is. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: A discussion of karma and MJ, was Maharishi What's funny is that he will dig up some press release, or article that might be 30 or 40 years old, as though it is hot off the press. He finds a critical statement of someone who has done TM in the past, near or far, and trots it out as some new irrefutable piece of evidence. He seems to deny that he is on some crusade to discredit TM and the TMO. I suspect otherwise, and that many hours a day are spent on such a mission. His prerogative of course. But what happens if you pour all that attention into something and it fails to produce the desired result. I guess we'll see. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 7/24/2014 9:53 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'll try to keep that in mind Michael. But, when you go on record saying certain things, then you might be called upon to back them up. Whether you do, or not, is a different matter. Most of what MJ has posted is just rumor - things we've all heard before. He doesn't seem to be very big on references or citing any peer-reviewed scientific studies published in any learned journals about the mechanics of consciousness. He doesn't even seem to want to talk about anything except his prurient interest in the perverted sexual encounters of others - which he has mentioned at least a dozen times this month. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : that's your projection on my role here, its not mine. I have no role on FFL - I'm just here. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Hey, it helps to know how you view things. So, since you don't buy in to any of this stuff, your role here is to just point out the idiocy of people who like to discuss such issues, or share their experiences, which you evidently believe have no credence? Just askin' I mean, it is a rather funny use of one's time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others
Finally! We seem to be getting somewhere. Thank God! So, MJ, I understand now that you see TM as a public scourge that must be addressed. And who else but the public health crusader, Michael Jackson to take on the task, as you seem to have done. But, pray, tell me. Where on scale does TM rate in your estimation? Let's say you have Boko Haram on one end, Miley Cyrus on the other, and animal testing somewhere in the middle. Where does TM fit in? Or maybe tobacco. Would you put TM in a higher or lower ranking than tobacco use? Feel free to include chewing tobacco in your analysis. Are you shooting for a warning label on any advertising for TM? TM may not lead to enlightenment is three to five years You may still continue to have personal issues you need to work on, even after prolonged practice of TM Something along these lines? At any rate Michael, good luck with your new endeavor. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And yet its ok for the TMO to rave on endlessly about how fabulous and without blemish TM is when we all know differently? Some of us feel that exposure of hypocrisy and activities including solicitation to meditate that does actual harm in the context of what has become a bona fide cult is a positive thing for our society at large. Unfortunately since so many of the joe and jane doe's of our society look no farther than Oh Jennifer Anniston is a TM'er! TM must be god! and the celebrity driven lies the David Lynch promotes, the real info about TM from people like Gina Catena is marginalized. But in case you haven't noticed, TM has STILL not become a common practice among the world's population. The reason? The claims for just TM alone, not to mention all the adjunct programs are unrealistic and unsustainable. The outrageous claims that Marshy made that have become dogma amongst TM'ers were made from Marshy's hubris and his confidence that his followers were so stupid and locked into his vibe that they would follow him and give him money no matter what he claimed. Now that he's gone, the TMO can never hope to keep its medicine show going when it is looked at in the light of day. But there are some of us who do like to shine the light of truth and common sense onto the lies that back TM. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Xeno, thank you for taking the time to reply. As much as I love logic and Mr. Spock, in terms of considering what someone says or writes, I tend to go more by how someone's energy feels to me. I notice that I tend to enjoy more settled expressions, especially if they're positive. But also enjoy dry wit and commentary. I've come to the conclusion that online relationships and communities are uncharted territory for most of us. So I take everything presented here with a grain of salt. I think it's silly for people to comment on the TMO, etc. when they haven't been around it for decades! I also think that ragging on anyone and anything over and over is an indication that a person has unresolved childhood issues and has found a safe scapegoat. I could be wrong. And if I am, I'm sure life will straighten me out. Eventually (-: On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:22 PM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, But logically, this is incorrect. While psychologically one might doubt a person's statement because of his/her known character and reliability, the truth of a statement made by someone can only logically be determined if it corresponds to an actual fact. The fact the person is a scoundrel and liar does not prove a statement is false. This is the classic ad hominem argument, where you attack the character of the source of the statement to supposedly prove a statement is false. Except this does not prove the statement false. It may make you assume the statement is false, but an assumption is not a fact. It is an emotional misdirection, classically used by politicians all the time. The reverse of this argument is pro hominem, 'argument for the man' in which one supposes a statement is true because so-and-so made it. It is equally invalid. That Maharishi was something of a scoundrel seems fairly well established, but the evidence is from my point of view largely circumstantial. It has psychological weight but further investigation, which I certainly will not carry out, would be needed to substantiate it. That similar things occurred with figures in the movement that I was more familiar with adds to that psychological weight and indicates a certain pattern of behaviour within the upper echelons of the movement that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dear MJ,
I presume the 1% legitimate stuff pertains to the modems you offered to the VA to deal with PTSD.I That's usually how it works with those who feel the need to constantly declare their great dedication to truth. Somehow they have the real handle on truth, or what is valuable. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Well, upon further reflection, I bow to your wisdom. You are correct, I am an addict. I have a deep addiction to truth, honesty and common sense, something I found utterly lacking in Marshy, the TMO and TM True Believers, as well as most other spiritual teachers (so-called) and 99% of New Agey stuff. From: soundofstillness@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Dear MJ, Dear MJ, Don't you think it's ironic that you have a dislike, is that what you would call it, a dislike for TM and the TMO. And yet you spend your time, your time that you could be spending with your beloved if you have one, your children if you have any, your grandchildren if you have any, living a creative, happy and fulfilling life. Instead you find yourself on a daily basis feeding a habit. Your ego feeding a habit. You have an addiction my friend, and if you think not, don't respond to this post. Don't respond to any post on FFL. Don't post anything to FFL for at least seven days. I sense everyone else that has ever posted to FFL could walk away from this forum for good relatively easily. But you my friend, I sense you might find it difficult to last even seven days. Addictions aren't easy to break MJ. Just take it one day at a time . . . As for me, this is my last post, and I won't be watching to see if you continue allowing your ego to make a fool of you. Good fortune my friend, I hope we meet up in person some time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking of Sal
God love ya Mike. Maybe one day you will achieve some degree of self reflection, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. But I will give you a hint. Tighten up you logic some. Dispassionate doesn't work for you. Try to come down from your self appointed, grand, I am the great revealer of truth tower, and maybe you will, as they say, catch a clue. But the smart money says it ain't going to happen. (-: And, now ladies and gents prepare for another, blah, blah, blah, Marshy is bad pronouncement. Depending on degree, we could see a Brad O''Nash reference. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I have noticed that Sal and I think a lot alike, and Sal posts his thoughts and feelings right here on FFL just like I do, yet all the TM'ers who revile me nearly universally leave Sal be. I do not understand this phenomenon. After much contemplation on the subject, I have decided that either Sal, when working for the Movement, had a mighty yagya done that gives him immunity from foolish people and TM zombies, either that or Feste, Sri, Sounds of Stillness, Nabby, Buck in the Dome, Fast Mac aka Dr. Dummy and Willy Tex's clone Steve are terribly terribly afraid of incurring the wrath of a bona fide denizen of Scorpion Land, which is a vile, nasty place according to Mahesh Prasad Varmint. So how 'bout it Sal, did you have a mighty yagya done, or do you have some sort of special Scorpion powers that allow you to glass someone in their own pub, even though you be thousands of miles away?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yuga
Michael, excuse the crude reference, but generally speaking you are not a pimple on Ann''s ass, or anyone's ass for that matter. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What was it you told me the other day, Ann? Don't have a heart attack or some such? From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yuga ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I know people whose children have been born with lead poisoning after believing the bullshit about ayurveda being the best system of healthcare, they sued the movement and it all got hushed up. Jai Guru Dev! Whoa! Lets have some details on this one! This happened in the UK? How long ago? And the babies actually had lead poisoning? There must be different rules in the UK - I don't think the ayurvedic medicines that contain the heavy metals are allowed by law here in the US. Do they allow them in the UK or did the parents get them surreptitiously? How did the lawsuits come out? You have to get the stuff from India to get the full benefits. I have no other details, I can't name names. I knew the girl concerned but hadn't seen her for ages - this happened some time ago and I only found out recently. It amazes me how something like that that really ought to blow things apart gets forgotten about very quickly to protect the ludicrously idealistic view of the world they promote. The golden age must have been grim with health care like this, mind you life expectancy was extremely low in India when the vedas were written so maybe they just never got to find out how poor the drugs were. I am of course extremely pissed off that she got involved with these snake oil salesmen and that it ended like that. I know there are others that got ill in Indian clinics recommended by Marshy and sued the TMO but we never find out how they got on. Must be some sort of non-disclosure agreement. I remember being on a foreign course and being really pleased that we could get hold of AV stuff with the correct ingredients that are stupidly forbidden in Europe, if only we were more enlightened eh? Strange, there have been thousands of people/children poisoned by lead in all sorts of toys, venetian blinds and household products for decades/centuries now. Are they sure it was from Ayurvedic use? A fine example of cult thinking, It is? What cult am I a member of? Do I practice Ayurveda? Have I ever practiced it? The answer is no. So how about reconsidering your assessment and consider I am playing devil's advocate?As a purported scientist Sal, what proof do you have that this child's lead poisoning was the result of the lead its mother ingested while pregnant? What concoction had the lead in it? How long and how much did this woman imbibe of this substance? Did the baby die? Was it deformed? Who diagnosed the lead poisoning and what were the symptoms that lead the mother to seek treatment for the baby? Where did the mother live, near some industrial area where lead was in the water, the soil, in the air? Who traced the lead source back to the Ayurveda or did you read this on FB? LOL Lead in toys and petrol was banned when it was discovered to be dangerous. This is the difference between science and religion, science is self correcting - when something is found to be wrong it is changed for a superior explanation. And in the case of medicine, a less dangerous one. The believers in received wisdom can't change their beliefs because they come from a higher power, so if something goes wrong they have to cope with it in some way. perhaps by making light of it as you've just done or just by being in plain denial, as the TMO have done or by pretending this person never existed and carrying on offering people the world's most perfect system of healthcare. Or by scapegoating, which means they'll try and find some other factor to be responsible like bad karma or a lack of belief or non-conformity in the groups ideals. All to make up for the errors in faulty knowledge that they live by, this girl probably didn't contribute enough to the yagya programme or criticized the TMO when she was turned down for TTC, karma is unfathomable etc
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking of Sal
blind spots Mikey, blind spots. They are impediments. I know I have many, but acknowledging them is always a good first step. like, for example: is my unending interest with TM, TMO, and MMY a noble pursuit of truth, or an unhealthy obsession. just akin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : self appointed, grand, I am the great revealer of truth tower, Never thought of myself as such, that is more of your own judgmental self projected fantasy crap, you might as well just stand in front of the mirror and say all this crap out loud and save the rest of us from having to read it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking of Sal God love ya Mike. Maybe one day you will achieve some degree of self reflection, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. But I will give you a hint. Tighten up you logic some. Dispassionate doesn't work for you. Try to come down from your self appointed, grand, I am the great revealer of truth tower, and maybe you will, as they say, catch a clue. But the smart money says it ain't going to happen. (-: And, now ladies and gents prepare for another, blah, blah, blah, Marshy is bad pronouncement. Depending on degree, we could see a Brad O''Nash reference. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I have noticed that Sal and I think a lot alike, and Sal posts his thoughts and feelings right here on FFL just like I do, yet all the TM'ers who revile me nearly universally leave Sal be. I do not understand this phenomenon. After much contemplation on the subject, I have decided that either Sal, when working for the Movement, had a mighty yagya done that gives him immunity from foolish people and TM zombies, either that or Feste, Sri, Sounds of Stillness, Nabby, Buck in the Dome, Fast Mac aka Dr. Dummy and Willy Tex's clone Steve are terribly terribly afraid of incurring the wrath of a bona fide denizen of Scorpion Land, which is a vile, nasty place according to Mahesh Prasad Varmint. So how 'bout it Sal, did you have a mighty yagya done, or do you have some sort of special Scorpion powers that allow you to glass someone in their own pub, even though you be thousands of miles away?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yuga
it reveals something about you Mike, that this common expression, (at least in the Midwest) has disturbed you in some way. Now, let's unpack this assertion of yours. I've not been regular in the practice for about 22 years. So, was this alleged sattwa left over from that time? Or this just part of your knee jerk reaction to ascribe anything you find amiss in the world, (Steve, are you exaggerating here? No, I don't think so, at least not by much) to TM? Just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I see the years of TM have made you quite sattvic. Another fine example of TM efficacy. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yuga Michael, excuse the crude reference, but generally speaking you are not a pimple on Ann''s ass, or anyone's ass for that matter. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What was it you told me the other day, Ann? Don't have a heart attack or some such? From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yuga ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I know people whose children have been born with lead poisoning after believing the bullshit about ayurveda being the best system of healthcare, they sued the movement and it all got hushed up. Jai Guru Dev! Whoa! Lets have some details on this one! This happened in the UK? How long ago? And the babies actually had lead poisoning? There must be different rules in the UK - I don't think the ayurvedic medicines that contain the heavy metals are allowed by law here in the US. Do they allow them in the UK or did the parents get them surreptitiously? How did the lawsuits come out? You have to get the stuff from India to get the full benefits. I have no other details, I can't name names. I knew the girl concerned but hadn't seen her for ages - this happened some time ago and I only found out recently. It amazes me how something like that that really ought to blow things apart gets forgotten about very quickly to protect the ludicrously idealistic view of the world they promote. The golden age must have been grim with health care like this, mind you life expectancy was extremely low in India when the vedas were written so maybe they just never got to find out how poor the drugs were. I am of course extremely pissed off that she got involved with these snake oil salesmen and that it ended like that. I know there are others that got ill in Indian clinics recommended by Marshy and sued the TMO but we never find out how they got on. Must be some sort of non-disclosure agreement. I remember being on a foreign course and being really pleased that we could get hold of AV stuff with the correct ingredients that are stupidly forbidden in Europe, if only we were more enlightened eh? Strange, there have been thousands of people/children poisoned by lead in all sorts of toys, venetian blinds and household products for decades/centuries now. Are they sure it was from Ayurvedic use? A fine example of cult thinking, It is? What cult am I a member of? Do I practice Ayurveda? Have I ever practiced it? The answer is no. So how about reconsidering your assessment and consider I am playing devil's advocate?As a purported scientist Sal, what proof do you have that this child's lead poisoning was the result of the lead its mother ingested while pregnant? What concoction had the lead in it? How long and how much did this woman imbibe of this substance? Did the baby die? Was it deformed? Who diagnosed the lead poisoning and what were the symptoms that lead the mother to seek treatment for the baby? Where did the mother live, near some industrial area where lead was in the water, the soil, in the air? Who traced the lead source back to the Ayurveda or did you read this on FB? LOL Lead in toys and petrol was banned when it was discovered to be dangerous. This is the difference between science and religion, science is self correcting - when something is found to be wrong it is changed for a superior explanation. And in the case of medicine, a less dangerous one. The believers in received wisdom can't change their beliefs because they come from a higher power, so if something goes wrong they have to cope with it in some way. perhaps by making light of it as you've just done or just by being in plain denial, as the TMO have done or by pretending this person never existed and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tolle: excessive thinking
I listened to this. You realize that all he's talking about is trying to achieve the state of pure awareness, both by itself and as being present with other thoughts and activity. It may be the first I really listened to anything he's said, but it's sort of remarkable, that the main gist of his teaching, or at least this little bit, is just, really, a piece of MMY's overall teaching. I defy anyone, (if that would be the appropriate term), to say otherwise. And no, I am not selling anything! Just listen, and see if you come to a different conclusion. Actually, I think its sort of neat to see someone come at from a different angle, although he doesn't offer a direct means to achieve this. He offers indirect means. Not saying its better or worse. But its being presented as though its a fresh insight. Nothing new about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote : How do we break the habit of excessive thinking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 How do we break the habit of excessive thinking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 Eckhart explores the powerful addiction to thinking, offering a handful of ways to put a stop to thoughts and choose presence instead. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proportions in Maharishi Vastu Architecture
I sort of get the feeling that you are describing your own beliefs more than anything else. I think most have a more balanced notion of how things will play out, likely greater spirituality coexisting with greater societal controls. You claim otherwise, but I think you still hold on to your previously held new age notions of how things will play out. You are the one with the history of channeling. And last I heard, you still buy into it, in terms of was it real, or was it memorex type of thing. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! The world is waking up Nice idea, nice fantasy and zero evidence that such an awakening is actually happening. We are currently experiencing another of the innumerable spiritualist movements the humans manifest from time to time. The last big one was in the late 1800's with the rise of the Theosophical Society - in fact it was Helena Blavatsky and her successors Annie Besant and Alice Bailey who laid the foundations for the current New Age baloney that people love to believe today. In fact we as a species are heading into another downturn seemingly. In the past the logistics of terrain and distance would keep some societies and cultures intact when others were overwhelmed or imploded, but today who knows what will happen. All this stuff about a world enlightenment is a very very fine idea and I wish it would happen, but its pure fantasy. I am sure all the true believers will believe it up to the very moment that storm troopers kick down your door and haul you off. You can offer to get them initiated into TM while they burn your house. The other interesting thing is that the TM true believers all really believe the awakening will occur when most of the world suddenly falls in love with Marshy and run to get David Lynch's darshan (I'd rather smell a dead skunk myself) and get initiated into TM. Meanwhile the New Agers think everyone will be spontaneously floating into ascension, meaning their bodies become the perfect 4th dimensional template it really is, the ufo crowd think the Space Brothers will come and give us all kinds of all sorts of marvelous technology that will allow us to have world peace, end hunger, eradicate illness and so on. Nabby must have the most interesting idea of the Age of E where David Lynch becomes a god of some sort, sort of like Jesus underneath Marshy's position as God, everyone becomes a TM'er and does TM and of course TMSP will be mandatory for all and sundry. Everyone will do TM except for people like me, Barry, Curtis and Sal who will all be herded into a vastu veda prison and closely watched to make sure we don't excape. We'll probably have our tongues cut out so we won't spout any TM blasphemy that might corrupt the noble Purusha men who will be our guards. All the existing buildings will be destroyed to make way for an all Marshy vastu ved building project that the Movement will get well paid for. All celebrations of any kind will be replaced with Hindu celebrations and in fact all religions will be banned in favor of Marshy's superstitious brand of pseudo-Hinduism. Meanwhile the Space Brothers will come down and give us all the techno that we need and of course Maitreya will appear and institute the New World Order. Now this will be interesting because to fulfill Nabby's fantasies, either Maitreya will have to teach everyone TM, or all the TM'ers will have to replace Marshy as god with Maitreya. What a dilemma! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proportions in Maharishi Vastu Architecture I agree that it is a start - Interesting times - Someone, Chopra I think, mentioned that we are in the transition from a world of knowledge, to a world of wisdom. The world is waking up, however with so many coming out of their stupor, it is creating quite a commotion. So many groups and individuals are now expressing their needs, all clamoring for a voice, in our new, seamlessly-connected world. Everybody feels important, and empowered. The industrialized nations have set a model for the world, whereby instant gratification, and individual choice, for food, shelter, clothing, communication, transportation, and entertainment, is the norm, and now, everyone wants it. We all want the consumer dream, and the money to participate in it. Also, weaponry is turning into the great equalizer, as even small organizations, and individuals, now have the growing capability to wage war, and extend their influence, through violence. We are so beset with choices and options, too many to evaluate, and it is only through rising consciousness, that we will survive. I have heard that the antidote to a poisonous plant often grows nearby the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tolle: excessive thinking
Michael, feel free to spin it anyway you want. What the guy is talking about is pure awareness experienced by itself, and as a background to other thoughts and activity. I am sorry if that upsets you. Then he goes about, clumsily, I might add, on how one might go about achieving or experiencing that. And by the way, yes, I figured out, somewhere along the way that MMY didn't invent pure awareness, if it exists, but you do have a propensity of dismissing most spiritual traditions as examples of the power of suggestion, except the practices or modalities you endorse, of course, or at least try to make a buck on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sycophantic thinking. Pure Awareness, if it exists, was around long before Marshy became a blip on the world scene, and there were and are plenty of others who came before him, while he was here and after him who taught the same thing. To relate everything to him is pitiful and sycophantic. Especially to do so with Eckhart who cautions people AGAINST meditation saying that it is often a hindrance to finding freedom in Presence. And he's right. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tolle: excessive thinking I listened to this. You realize that all he's talking about is trying to achieve the state of pure awareness, both by itself and as being present with other thoughts and activity. It may be the first I really listened to anything he's said, but it's sort of remarkable, that the main gist of his teaching, or at least this little bit, is just, really, a piece of MMY's overall teaching. I defy anyone, (if that would be the appropriate term), to say otherwise. And no, I am not selling anything! Just listen, and see if you come to a different conclusion. Actually, I think its sort of neat to see someone come at from a different angle, although he doesn't offer a direct means to achieve this. He offers indirect means. Not saying its better or worse. But its being presented as though its a fresh insight. Nothing new about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote : How do we break the habit of excessive thinking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 How do we break the habit of excessive thinking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 Eckhart explores the powerful addiction to thinking, offering a handful of ways to put a stop to thoughts and choose presence instead. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proportions in Maharishi Vastu Architecture
well, let's face it Michael, your universe is gurucentric. Maybe at some point you will be able to broaden your view beyond that, but at the rate your going, it could actually be in about a decade. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If I still held to old notions I would believe that the archangels would come change everything - and they will, just like Marshy changed everything - which means we will all be lucky if the world doesn't implode in a decade, cuz all the gettin' saved by a higher power or a lying guru ain't gonna happen. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proportions in Maharishi Vastu Architecture I sort of get the feeling that you are describing your own beliefs more than anything else. I think most have a more balanced notion of how things will play out, likely greater spirituality coexisting with greater societal controls. You claim otherwise, but I think you still hold on to your previously held new age notions of how things will play out. You are the one with the history of channeling. And last I heard, you still buy into it, in terms of was it real, or was it memorex type of thing. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! The world is waking up Nice idea, nice fantasy and zero evidence that such an awakening is actually happening. We are currently experiencing another of the innumerable spiritualist movements the humans manifest from time to time. The last big one was in the late 1800's with the rise of the Theosophical Society - in fact it was Helena Blavatsky and her successors Annie Besant and Alice Bailey who laid the foundations for the current New Age baloney that people love to believe today. In fact we as a species are heading into another downturn seemingly. In the past the logistics of terrain and distance would keep some societies and cultures intact when others were overwhelmed or imploded, but today who knows what will happen. All this stuff about a world enlightenment is a very very fine idea and I wish it would happen, but its pure fantasy. I am sure all the true believers will believe it up to the very moment that storm troopers kick down your door and haul you off. You can offer to get them initiated into TM while they burn your house. The other interesting thing is that the TM true believers all really believe the awakening will occur when most of the world suddenly falls in love with Marshy and run to get David Lynch's darshan (I'd rather smell a dead skunk myself) and get initiated into TM. Meanwhile the New Agers think everyone will be spontaneously floating into ascension, meaning their bodies become the perfect 4th dimensional template it really is, the ufo crowd think the Space Brothers will come and give us all kinds of all sorts of marvelous technology that will allow us to have world peace, end hunger, eradicate illness and so on. Nabby must have the most interesting idea of the Age of E where David Lynch becomes a god of some sort, sort of like Jesus underneath Marshy's position as God, everyone becomes a TM'er and does TM and of course TMSP will be mandatory for all and sundry. Everyone will do TM except for people like me, Barry, Curtis and Sal who will all be herded into a vastu veda prison and closely watched to make sure we don't excape. We'll probably have our tongues cut out so we won't spout any TM blasphemy that might corrupt the noble Purusha men who will be our guards. All the existing buildings will be destroyed to make way for an all Marshy vastu ved building project that the Movement will get well paid for. All celebrations of any kind will be replaced with Hindu celebrations and in fact all religions will be banned in favor of Marshy's superstitious brand of pseudo-Hinduism. Meanwhile the Space Brothers will come down and give us all the techno that we need and of course Maitreya will appear and institute the New World Order. Now this will be interesting because to fulfill Nabby's fantasies, either Maitreya will have to teach everyone TM, or all the TM'ers will have to replace Marshy as god with Maitreya. What a dilemma! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proportions in Maharishi Vastu Architecture I agree that it is a start - Interesting times - Someone, Chopra I think, mentioned that we are in the transition from a world of knowledge, to a world of wisdom. The world is waking up, however with so many coming out of their stupor, it is creating quite a commotion. So many groups and individuals are now expressing their needs, all clamoring for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tolle: excessive thinking
It's really pretty hilarious. You've got this guy who is considered an apostle of new age thinking, and what's his sage advice to those who might look to him for guidance? Know that you are not the object of perception Notice the space between thoughts And how to do that? Well, just keep reminding yourself! And then you've got someone like MJ who had clear transcending with TM, clear experiences of no mantra, no thoughts, (egads, Is that pure awareness?), and now insists he was a victim of the power of suggestion, and eats up this Eckhardt Tolle stuff. As our resident philosopher says, You can't make this stuff up! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What Steve is saying is that in terms of teaching spiritual concepts, Maharishi could whip Tolle, with one hand tied behind his back. No shit - Tolle has nothing to say of any importance, except wishful thinking and empty fantasies. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sycophantic thinking. Pure Awareness, if it exists, was around long before Marshy became a blip on the world scene, and there were and are plenty of others who came before him, while he was here and after him who taught the same thing. To relate everything to him is pitiful and sycophantic. Especially to do so with Eckhart who cautions people AGAINST meditation saying that it is often a hindrance to finding freedom in Presence. And he's right. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tolle: excessive thinking I listened to this. You realize that all he's talking about is trying to achieve the state of pure awareness, both by itself and as being present with other thoughts and activity. It may be the first I really listened to anything he's said, but it's sort of remarkable, that the main gist of his teaching, or at least this little bit, is just, really, a piece of MMY's overall teaching. I defy anyone, (if that would be the appropriate term), to say otherwise. And no, I am not selling anything! Just listen, and see if you come to a different conclusion. Actually, I think its sort of neat to see someone come at from a different angle, although he doesn't offer a direct means to achieve this. He offers indirect means. Not saying its better or worse. But its being presented as though its a fresh insight. Nothing new about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote : How do we break the habit of excessive thinking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 How do we break the habit of excessive thinking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 Eckhart explores the powerful addiction to thinking, offering a handful of ways to put a stop to thoughts and choose presence instead. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 Preview by Yahoo
