date:20050907

Trying to hang in there, Sheila. Thanks so much for your supprot and kindness.

Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh Julie what a terrible time you are having. How do you cope with so many heartaches at one time? I know that what ever you decide to do, it will be the best for Mandy,Paulie and Cosmo. God bless you. Sheila "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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Re: Sad News

Dear Barb,

Your kind words and support mean the world to me; what would I do without you all?

Love, JulieBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Oh Julie,
I'm so sorry the medical news is so poor I'm positive you will make the right decisions for each of your babies based on who they are and what they can and can't handle. We are all with you and your husband always, supporting and caring.
HUGSJulie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I have somesad news to share. First, Mandy's biopsies are back and she has oral squamous cell carcinoma. The entire back of her tongue is involved. We are consulting a surgeon, but her prognosis is very poor, indeed. The surgery would be horrendous (possibly removing part of her jaw, too), followed by radiation therapy. Even with this extreme treatment, the recurrance rate for this kind of cancer is very high; I understand sometimes within just a couple of months. Mandy is a sweet little girl (Tater Tot's sister) who loves to come visit on her terms, but does not like being handled. Medicating her and syringe-feeding are nearly impossible.I'm not sure at this point what we will do or not do.

Paulie, (the father of Mandy and Tater) is 7 years old and is in renal failure.
He is feral and although I can capture him when I have to, I would need to keep him in his own room to get treatment. When he had the corneal ulcer, it was a much different story and we had a treatment plan and a projected outcome. For CRF, I can't see imposing that on him just to keep him a bit longer. He is eating again and seems a bit more like himself (won't let me pet him!) so we'll just see how he does.

Cosmo has a dislocated ankle and according to the consulting radiologist, it cannot be splinted. He would need surgery to have the bones fused and he would then have a stiff leg that he couldn't bend at the wrist. I have to investigate this more, because we all agree that he is starting to put more weight on the leg and the bones may actually be fusing in this position which is not much different than it would be after surgery. Again, not sure how we will proceed for him. Hedoes not seem to be in any pain; you can move his leg every which-way and he does not make a peep or try to pull his paw away. He just obviously favors the leg.

I'm just overwhelmed by all this. It's breaking my heart. Having so many cats, I knew that a day would likely come when I had several who were ill all at the same time, and that has certainly happened before. I've not faced or dealt with so many probably being terminal, though. I suppose one can never fully prepare for that emotionally.

Thanks for listening, everyone, and please keep my "kids" in your thoughts.

Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.

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Re: Sad News

Hi Kerry,

Thank you so much for your good thoughts and for sharing that information. I'm going to speak to her vet today about getting pred compounded into a transdermal formula that I can rub on her ear. I made her a 'soup' last night and she had a much easier time eating it. Tonight I think I'll get out the food processor and make an even soupier puree for her. I made the soup with George's aloe vera water, so I'm glad she's taking some of that.

Love, Julie

Hi Julie,
I am sorry to hear about your kitties...I do understand as I have several on meds at this time and it can be overwhelming that's for sure...
I wanted to let you know that I had a kitty several yrs ago with an in-operable tumor on the back of her tongue...We put her on 20mg. of pred a day for the inflammation as she could not be force feed or medicated...I would hide the pills in her food and she would eat them..I think she had so much steroid that her appetite was always great..She lived another 3 yrs with this tumor...It was awful looking, too...She would sometimes choke and have a difficult time eating..as we did get some of the inflammation down she would even eat some dry food at times...It seems as if she just learned to cope with it the best way she could...She wasn't FeLV+ though so if your kitty is, I don't know about all the pred..I know the steroids are awful to use, but I guess sometimes we have to use them...
We have you in our thoughts and prayers..
Kerry and Bandy

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Re: Sad News

Thanks so much, Cherie. You all are the best!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Julie, 
If I can help in anyway, please let me know...I know it is hard, but what you are doing for all your furrbabies brings a smile to my heart.
CherieDel Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Julie, you really have an overwhelming situation with so many seriously ill at the same time. I am so sorry. Sending you big hugs, Del

- Original Message - 
From: Julie Johnson 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:08 AM
Subject: Sad News

Hi Everyone,

I have somesad news to share. First, Mandy's biopsies are back and she has oral squamous cell carcinoma. The entire back of her tongue is involved. We are consulting a surgeon, but her prognosis is very poor, indeed. The surgery would be horrendous (possibly removing part of her jaw, too), followed by radiation therapy. Even with this extreme treatment, the recurrance rate for this kind of cancer is very high; I understand sometimes within just a couple of months. Mandy is a sweet little girl (Tater Tot's sister) who loves to come visit on her terms, but does not like being handled. Medicating her and syringe-feeding are nearly impossible.I'm not sure at this point what we will do or not do.

Paulie, (the father of Mandy and Tater) is 7 years old and is in renal failure.
He is feral and although I can capture him when I have to, I would need to keep him in his own room to get treatment. When he had the corneal ulcer, it was a much different story and we had a treatment plan and a projected outcome. For CRF, I can't see imposing that on him just to keep him a bit longer. He is eating again and seems a bit more like himself (won't let me pet him!) so we'll just see how he does.

Cosmo has a dislocated ankle and according to the consulting radiologist, it cannot be splinted. He would need surgery to have the bones fused and he would then have a stiff leg that he couldn't bend at the wrist. I have to investigate this more, because we all agree that he is starting to put more weight on the leg and the bones may actually be fusing in this position which is not much different than it would be after surgery. Again, not sure how we will proceed for him. Hedoes not seem to be in any pain; you can move his leg every which-way and he does not make a peep or try to pull his paw away. He just obviously favors the leg.

I'm just overwhelmed by all this. It's breaking my heart. Having so many cats, I knew that a day would likely come when I had several who were ill all at the same time, and that has certainly happened before. I've not faced or dealt with so many probably being terminal, though. I suppose one can never fully prepare for that emotionally.

Thanks for listening, everyone, and please keep my "kids" in your thoughts.

Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. 


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Re: Sad News

Thank you, Michelle. I know you've been there and so have lots of other folks. It helps to know that folks understand and empathize with the situation. I have to get over the "why" of all that's been happening; it's draining and pointless, but as you say, the whole cluster thing is weird and I admit it does prey on my mind (or what's left of it).

Love, Julie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Holy cow, Julie, you are dealing with a lot. I recently went through something like this with multiple animal illnesses and losses, and I know that it is barely survivable. Hang in there. I have no idea why these things happen in groups and at first I thought it was just me and my family, but I have been hearing it a lot lately. It is really weird. All I can say is take a hot bath every once in while, get a massage if you can afford it (unlikely given all the vet bills, but if you can spare $35 for a half hour massage it can really help with the stress), and try to get some sleep while you can. That's about all I can say. And pray, even if you are not religious. I can't explain it but it helps.
Love,
Michelle"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: Sad News

Dear Nina,

You're so right; one can think and project and ponder, but until you're IN the situation, it's hard to imagine how you'll react. My instinct is to try anything, do anything, but my heart tells me that's wrong for Mandy and Paulie. They need to be loved for as long as they can comfortably stay with us.

Thank you so much for sharing Zevon's story. What I've been told is that the repair is more difficult in a cat because the bones are much smaller and the physiology of the wrist is slighly different. So far, the only surgical option that's been put forward is fusing and inserting a plate; he'll be left with a stiff leg. Frankly, it doesn't sound much different from what he has now and he does not seem to be in any pain at all; you can do whatever you want to that leg and he doesn't react in any way. He grooms himself with it. It's so strange. Poor Zevon; what an ordeal he had! He was one lucky fellow to have you for a Mommy!

Thank you so much for your good thoughts and kind words;I wrap them around me like a cloak.

Love, JulieNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh Julie you are, and have been going through such a rough time at your house. I know what you mean about having that dread in the back of your mind, because of having so many, that one day the situation you find yourself in is a possibility. Too bad having that knowledge doesn't prepare us better for the day when/if it comes. I know one of the things that helps me, and that has helped me, is being determined to not let my loved ones suffer. I have made a commitment to myself and to them to fight for them, to take extraordinary measures, but only when there is the hope that they will recover from treatment and live a healthy, full life. Very unfortunately, it doesn't sound like that would be the case for either Mandy, or her daddy. I'm so sorry. You are there, I am not. Maybe a second, or third opinion is in order?About Cosmo and his
dislocated wrist. I think there is great hope for him. My GSD, Zevon, jumped off an extremely high, extremely steep cliff in Santa Barbara trying to get to the ocean below. He came down front legs stiff and severely sprained both front wrists, (dislocated). He didn't break any bones, but I was told by two different vets that he should be pts. That he would never recover from his injury and that he would always be in danger of re-injuring himself, if he did. The third vet we took him to told us that he could operate on him, fuse the bones together and place metal "splints" inside to keep his legs stable. This of course would mean that he would not be able to bend his front legs at the wrist. We took him to an orthopedic surgeon, who was willing to take the chance of not fusing, or placing splints. He operated on the most damaged wrist, wrapping it with some of Zevon's own stretched tendon, put both front legs in casts and sent him
home for months of down-stays. I can't remember exactly, but I think we replaced his casts once, went to bandaged splints and then finally to another couple of months of wrapping his legs to give him extra support. He couldn't walk without our supporting him with a sling. The months that followed his operation were terrible, not only because a very active dog, (he was 4 years old at the time), was being forced to lie still, but also because we had no way of knowing whether or not it would work. After all we had been through, it was possible that when the splints were removed, his legs wouldn't hold, and we'd be right back where we started. Well, his legs did heal. He's now going on 9 yrs old. We can't let him leap in the air after a ball anymore, but he runs and plays and does just wonderfully.My thoughts and prayers are with you,NinaJulie Johnson wrote: Hi Everyone, I have some sad news
to share. First, Mandy's biopsies are back and she has oral squamous cell carcinoma. The entire back of her tongue is involved. We are consulting a surgeon, but her prognosis is very poor, indeed. The surgery would be horrendous (possibly removing part of her jaw, too), followed by radiation therapy. Even with this extreme treatment, the recurrance rate for this kind of cancer is very high; I understand sometimes within just a couple of months. Mandy is a sweet little girl (Tater Tot's sister) who loves to come visit on her terms, but does not like being handled. Medicating her and syringe-feeding are nearly impossible. I'm not sure at this point what we will do or not do. Paulie, (the father of Mandy and Tater) is 7 years old and is in renal failure. He is feral and although I can capture him when I have to, I would need to keep him in his own room to
get treatment. When he had the corneal ulcer, it was a much different story and we had a treatment plan and a projected outcome. For CRF, I can't see imposing that on him just to keep him a bit longer. He is eating again and seems a bit more like himself (won't let me pet him!) so we'll just see how he does. Cosmo has a dislocated

Re: Sad News

Thanks, Tonya; I'll keep you and your crew in my thoughts and prayers, too.

Juliecatatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Julie,

I'm sorry for all you are going through right now. It really gets tough as your cats start to age. I'm dealing with some of that now with my crew. You just have to do the best you can knowing each cat as well as you do. You are all in my thoughts and prayers.
tonyaJulie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for listening, everyone, and please keep my "kids" in your thoughts.

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sores in the mouth

2005-09-07 Thread Terri Durham-Stone

My 3 FELV kits (almost 5 months) ,  I noticed have not been eating as
well as they were and noticed they all have red sores in their mouths.
Is there something I can give them for these ?   They just recently lost
their brothers (Albany and Macon) and I am trying my best to keep these
3 healthy.

Terri
ps one of them is sneezing so bad,  I have to take a shower after I come
from their room so as not to expose my other kits.

--
Terri Durham-Stone
Safe a Life Spay and Neuter
Live well, Love much, Laugh Often

Re: sores in the mouth

Hi Terri,

Are you already giving them L-Lysine? If not, it should be just the ticket.
The sores are most probably Herpes and Lysine interferes with the virus' ability to replicate. I know quite a few people who take it for Herpes outbreaks and when I joined this list I had Chappy who had terrible mouth sores. One of the first things that was suggested was Lysine and his mouth sores improved dramatically after being on it for only a few days.

You can give 250-500 mg up to twice a day. Some folks get the tablets (look for them wherever you buy vitamins) and crush them. I buy the capsules and just pull them apart; it's already ground up into a fine powder and I use so much of it that it really saves me time. If you search online, you can buy it just as a powder in a big jar, but it's quite expensive sold that way. It will likely help with the sniffies, too, since it has good general anti-viral properties.

Hope this helps; give them all a big smooch!

Julie

p.s. I'm taking it now myself; I work at a large University and every year in September when thousands of students return, a cold inevitably circulates around the office. I find it does really help.Terri Durham-Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My 3 FELV kits (almost 5 months) , I noticed have not been eating aswell as they were and noticed they all have red sores in their mouths.Is there something I can give them for these ? They just recently losttheir brothers (Albany and Macon) and I am trying my best to keep these3 healthy.Terrips one of them is sneezing so bad, I have to take a shower after I comefrom their room so as not to expose my other kits.--Terri Durham-StoneSafe a Life "Spay and Neuter"Live well, Love much, Laugh Often"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH
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Re: sores in the mouth

2005-09-07 Thread Gloria Lane

How frustrating!  Just wondering if you've started giving them  
interferon - I use that for my FELV kitties - also I have some  
vitamin stuff from Dr. Belfield (belfield.com) that they say is good  
for mouth sores - I don't know, I got it for something else, but  
worth a try.


Gloria


On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:04 AM, Terri Durham-Stone wrote:


My 3 FELV kits (almost 5 months) ,  I noticed have not been eating as
well as they were and noticed they all have red sores in their mouths.
Is there something I can give them for these ?   They just recently  
lost
their brothers (Albany and Macon) and I am trying my best to keep  
these

3 healthy.

Terri
ps one of them is sneezing so bad,  I have to take a shower after I  
come

from their room so as not to expose my other kits.

--
Terri Durham-Stone
Safe a Life Spay and Neuter
Live well, Love much, Laugh Often

Sheila and Bubba

Title: Message

It sounds like Bubba had a lot to teach us
humans.What a wonderful character to share your life with, and what a stroke of
luck for you to find each other. I'm so sorry to hear you've lostthe dear
little furball, Sheila. I can well imagine how much you're going to miss him.
Please know you're in my thoughts. hugs, Kerry

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, September 03,
2005 1:41 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: (no
subject)

Please add my beautiful Bubba to the list.He left us Friday evening after a
longstruggle with Felv. I have never had a cat whoenjoyed life so
much.He was my oldest (16) and sweetest.He was the last of a family of seven
that came to us in 1989. His life was sofull of mishapsthe first few
years he would sneak out of the house like a little escape artist .He was hit
buy a car twice and twice attacked buy neighborhood dogs. Once he got out and
was missing for 10 days. With the help of everyone in the neighborhood we
searched everywhere we could thinkto look.We finallygave up
the search thinking he was gone for good.Then late one night I heard a little
meowoutside when I opened the door he stood there grinning like he had
only been gone a few minutes.After losing hisleftfront leg he
decided the adventures weren't worth the pain and gave up his life of escape.His
injuries left him a little slow mentally (Forest Gump),but that only made him
more loveable. Everything about him was bigger than life ,his curiosity,his
appetite, his ability to charm and get along with every one. I can't imagine
life without this sweet precious rogue.
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RE: CLS

I'm sorry for your loss, Terri. I've had trouble keeping up  posting in
recent weeks, but I know you and yours have suffered a lot, and my heart
goes out to you. It's so hard to see our kitties suffer. All we can do
is try to take comfort from the knowledge that they knew what it was to
be loved and care for. Thanks for doing all that you do.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terri
Durham-Stone
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: CLS 


For another sibling of Albany - Macon he was just a little over 4
months FELV pos,  he was pts on Thursday Sept 1st from FIP - he could
hardly walk and his eyes told me it was time - He is out of any pain now
and with his brother and other friends.
4 left of the litter - there was only one that was negative for FELV

heavy heart in Oakdale, CA
Terri
ps trying to look at my glass half full - sometimes this is hard when
all this is happening

Terri Durham-Stone
Safe a Life Spay and Neuter
Live well, Love much, Laugh Often



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Re: Sheila and Bubba

2005-09-07 Thread Gloria Lane

Sheila, I am so sorry.  I know that beautiful Bubba will always be in  
your heart.  He sounds like such a special wonderful kitty.  Sending  
all my good wishes for your healing.


Gloria


On Sep 7, 2005, at 10:56 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

It sounds like Bubba had a lot to teach us humans.What a wonderful  
character to share your life with, and what a stroke of luck for  
you to find each other. I'm so sorry to hear you've lost the dear  
little furball, Sheila. I can well imagine how much you're going to  
miss him. Please know you're in my thoughts. hugs, Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: (no subject)

Please add my beautiful Bubba to the list.He left us Friday evening  
after a long struggle with Felv. I have never had a cat who enjoyed  
life so much.He was my oldest (16) and sweetest.He was the last of  
a family of seven that came to us in 1989. His life was so full of  
mishaps the first few years he would sneak out of the house like a  
little escape artist .He was hit buy a car twice and twice attacked  
buy neighborhood dogs. Once he got out and was missing for 10 days.  
With the help of everyone in the neighborhood we searched  
everywhere we could think to look. We finally gave up the search  
thinking he was gone for good.Then late one night I heard a little  
meow outside when I opened the door he stood there grinning like he  
had only been gone a few minutes. After losing his left front leg  
he decided the adventures weren't worth the pain and gave up his  
life of escape.His injuries left him a little slow mentally (Forest  
Gump),but that only made him more loveable. Everything about him  
was bigger than life ,his curiosity,his appetite, his ability to  
charm and get along with every one. I can't imagine life without  
this sweet precious rogue.  Sheila

laser toy

Glad someone mentioned the laser toy--I do use it occasionally because
it's the one thing that never fails to get my 2 quarantined cats moving.
But the reason I only use it occasionally is that I worry about the
frustration element-they think there's something to catch but they can
never succeed. Ditto those cat videos showing birds etc, with all the
sound effects. I used to play them, but worried about the cats becoming
depressed. I'd love to hear other opinions. Is there any reliable info
out there on how chasing intangible objects affects cats? If I thought
they were really ok, I'd use them more often. Kerry
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements


I would be cautious in using laser pointers as toys -
I know they love it and I bring mine out a couple
times a year, but it can make some kitties go a little
nuts.  One of the clinic cats where I take my boys
lost it after having played with the laser toy and
kept looking for the red dot to the point she was
attacking other kitties.  No more lasers and she was
on meds for a while but is OK now.  Just something to
keep in mind!

--- maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My alternative vet recommends transfer factor and
 MacroForce for boosting the immune system.  The
 active ingredient in Macro Force is available in
 other brands.  This just happens to be the easiest
 to get in my area of the country.  She also uses
 laser (as has me use a regular laser pointer) on
 various points on the cat's body.  It acts sort of
 like acupuncture.  You would have to get someone to
 show you the points or try to figure it out from the
 internet.  Keep the light out of the eyes.  But
 enjoy running the light in circles around the cat. 
 Mine love to chase the little red dot they can't
 catch.  For $20 it is a wonderful toy even if you
 can't figure the alternative med stuff out.   It
 stimulates their interest and gives them exercise
 that has to help their morale.
 - Original Message - 
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:11 AM
   Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements
 
 
   I do not think that any supplements will help with
 the anemia directly unless it is iron anemia, which
 is very rare in cats and probably is not the case
 with him.  I would put him on 500 mg per day of
 Lysine, split into two doses, and a multi-vitamin
 supplement (like Pet Tinic, which does have iron)
 and maybe switch on and off between echinacea and
 astragalus every week. I would mix them into baby
 food twice per day in small doses and let him eat
 them.  People also rave about Transfer Factor, which
 I have not tried yet, so maybe that as well. I would
 start with one at a time so if he does not want to
 eat the baby food you will know which supplement he
 does not like.
   Michelle


Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely
living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
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RE: CLS for Marie Cat

Title: Message



Dear 
Tad, I'm so sorry and sad for you that you lost Marie Cat, but I'm very glad 
that if she had to go, she went peacefully and on her own terms. It's the way we 
all want our furballs to go when the time comes (not to mention ourselves). I'm 
glad she found you, and knew what it was to live a happy life, knowing she was 
loved and cared for. Thanks for all that you do for all those special kitties 
that you take into your home and your heart. Kerry





-Original Message-,



From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of maimaipgSent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:55 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: CLS for 
Marie Cat
She left happy and knowing she was safe and loved. 
You can't ask for more than that. Sometimes we try to extend lives and 
make the critter/person miserable doing so. I truly believe we need to ask 
ourselves what we would want if we were in our animal friend's paws. 
Please understand that I am not saying give up or do nothing. Making the 
decision to hand the decision to God/our angels and guides/nature is much harder 
than trying to exhaust medical science. You are a very strong, wise and 
loving person to make that decision for Marie Cat. I am very sure she is 
extremely pleased with the person she chose to live with and that she sends you 
more love than you will ever know what to do with. She will always 
be there to give you the comfort and love you gave her. All you have to do 
is ask her.

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:37 
  PM
  Subject: Re: CLS for Marie Cat
  
  Tad,
  
  I am so terribly sorry. It sounds though that it was the 'right' 
  time for her to go and that she went on her own terms. I wish it could 
  always be as peaceful for all our fur babies. Take care of 
  yourself.
  
  tonyaTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Sadly 
my Marie Cat passed away quietly last evening..9/4/2005...She was a 
beautiful Russian Blue...She was my first FeLV+ cat..I brought her home 
almost 2 years ago to the dayShe was thought to be near 16 years old 
but she was picked up as a stray and we don't know for sure..I rescued 
her with a group of 4 cats all starving and eaten by fleas..Marie was very 
down and they didn't think she would survived the 300 mile trip home but i 
wanted to give her a chance...I didn't know they were FeLV+ until I took 
them to my vet and that is when I decided to start my FeLV+ room..I lost one 
of the kittens is a short time but her brother is still here...Marie has 
always acted like an old cat but got around and had her favorite spots in 
sunny windows and on the soft rug on the breeze way...She enjoyed both those 
spots yesterday...About a week ago she started drinking a lot of water 
and then throwing up...I put her on an A/D diet and she seemed fine for a 
couple days then started not eating...She excepted some from a suringe but 
not enough...Last evening she only wanted about 10 cc and then wanted to 
get in the window over my bed...I had to help her climb up there...She 
stayed there for a couple hours then came down beside me where she always 
slept and before long she had passed onI might have been able to do 
more to extend her life but she was old and she was comfortable and happy 
right up to the end...She was a very special cat, like all the others 
too, and she will remain in my heart 
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Re: sores in the mouth


Terri,
Just wanted to corroborate Julie's and Gloria's suggestions for Lysine 
and Interferon A.  Grace has periodic problems with her mouth from 
gingivitis and giving her 1cc daily of oral interferon during flare ups 
helps.  I think the Lysine does too.  How about Vita C?  My sister 
swears by zinc lozenges for warding off, or eliminating colds.  Has 
anyone ever heard of or used zinc for this with cats?  Those babies are 
going to get better G** D*** it.  Oops, I mean, God Bless it!

Nina

Terri Durham-Stone wrote:


My 3 FELV kits (almost 5 months) ,  I noticed have not been eating as
well as they were and noticed they all have red sores in their mouths.
Is there something I can give them for these ?   They just recently lost
their brothers (Albany and Macon) and I am trying my best to keep these
3 healthy.

Terri
ps one of them is sneezing so bad,  I have to take a shower after I come
from their room so as not to expose my other kits.

--
Terri Durham-Stone
Safe a Life Spay and Neuter
Live well, Love much, Laugh Often

Geroge's passing









Hi, my beloved George whom I rescued two month ago crossed
the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored breathing for the past few
days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time overcoming URI due to the
compromised immune system from FIV  he had been so well, he had a very
good appetite.. but he never could really gain weight. He was very
jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he was doing so
good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to stress him
out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his last
days might have been approaching as I felt that it must have been painful to
breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny regardless of his
appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was going
to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give him
predisone but he did not make it - 



I must have know that something was going to happen that
morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that day..I was so nervous
and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would go check the room
and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get stressed more if I
were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, one time, I heard
really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food from the plate.. so
I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. and an half hour later
or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not hear his breathing noise
in the room.. I got so scared and I looked around..and called his
name..and he was lying on the floor by the food plate with his eyes and
mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him he was still warm.. but
he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, and I wrapped him with
a blanket.. and put him on the table by the window. He looked so painful
with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they werent.. but then,
an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit George by the window in
the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his eyes and mouth were completely
closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked like he was just sleeping..with no
more pain



I have lots of regrets for thing I have done or I havent
done for George.. things that I would regret for the rest of my lives and
things that ended up shortening his lives and things that I would never forgive
myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this morning and she talked to
George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I also feel very peaceful.
George is doing fabulous right now, he said... he is a little sad.. but he is
feeling very good. We talked about a lot of things.. but at the end he
told me that.. dont think that he is just a little helpless cat,, he is
much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he can be an advisor for me --- as
I do have a tendency to try to control every situation I encounter.. and I beat
up myself when I cant for..so anyway, he gave me some advise which I
found very very helpful to continue my life..

George said that he would like to meet me again,, probably
not in my life time I left the conversation, asking him that if he would
talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I love him and will miss
him very much. And at the end,, he told me that he loves me, too.
George has been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the world to me to
know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite spot in the garden..
the place he used to hang out



Thank for all the prayers you have given for George in the
past now George has passed..please pray that George will be continue to
be happy, and continue to have a good life and that some dayI will meet
him soon.



Hideyo

RE: Geroge's passing









One very important advise that George gave
to me is that he told me not be fearful of death  he said
that its not the worst thing that could happen..

He feels wonderful now and he feels
free from the boy which was no longer working for him..he told me that death
is not an end.. its only the transitional and beginning of a new life..
and he would like me to find a peace in death.











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Wednesday, September 07,
2005 10:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Geroge's passing





Hi, my beloved George whom I rescued two month ago crossed
the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored breathing for the past few
days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time overcoming URI due to the
compromised immune system from FIV  he had been so well, he had a very
good appetite.. but he never could really gain weight. He was very
jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he was doing so
good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to stress him
out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his last
days might have been approaching as I felt that it must have been painful to
breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny regardless of his
appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was going
to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give him
predisone but he did not make it - 



I must have know that something was going to happen that
morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that day..I was so nervous
and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would go check the room
and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get stressed more if I
were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, one time, I heard
really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food from the plate.. so
I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. and an half hour later
or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not hear his breathing noise
in the room.. I got so scared and I looked around..and called his
name..and he was lying on the floor by the food plate with his eyes and
mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him he was still warm.. but
he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, and I wrapped him with
a blanket.. and put him on the table by the window. He looked so painful
with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they werent.. but
then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit George by the window
in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his eyes and mouth were
completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked like he was just
sleeping..with no more pain



I have lots of regrets for thing I have done or I
havent done for George.. things that I would regret for the rest of my
lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and things that I would
never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this morning and she
talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I also feel very
peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he said... he is a little
sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked about a lot of things.. but
at the end he told me that.. dont think that he is just a little
helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he can be an
advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to control every situation I
encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant for..so anyway, he gave me
some advise which I found very very helpful to continue my life..

George said that he would like to meet me again,, probably
not in my life time I left the conversation, asking him that if he would
talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I love him and will miss
him very much. And at the end,, he told me that he loves me, too.
George has been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the world to me to
know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite spot in the garden..
the place he used to hang out



Thank for all the prayers you have given for George in the
past now George has passed..please pray that George will be continue to
be happy, and continue to have a good life and that some dayI will meet
him soon.



Hideyo

Re: Geroge's passing

2005-09-07 Thread Barb Moermond

Oh Hideyo,
My heart goes out to you. But George was very lucky to have found you and it sounds like he had a peaceful passing, no humans in sight:) You gave him something that no one else could, a loving home. Our thoughts and tears are with you.
HUGSHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi, my beloved George whom I rescued two month ago crossed the bridge yesterday he had a very labored breathing for the past few days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time overcoming URI due to the compromised immune system from FIV he had been so well, he had a very good appetite.. but he never could really gain weight. He was very jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he was doing so good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to stress him out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his last days might have been approaching as I felt that it must have been painful to breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny regardless of his appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was going to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give him predisone but he did not make it
-

I must have know that something was going to happen that morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that day..I was so nervous and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would go check the room and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get stressed more if I were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, one time, I heard really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food from the plate.. so I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. and an half hour later or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not hear his breathing noise in the room.. I got so scared and I looked around..and called his name..and he was lying on the floor by the food plate with his eyes and mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him he was still warm.. but he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, and I wrapped him with a blanket..
and put him on the table by the window. He looked so painful with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they werent.. but then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit George by the window in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his eyes and mouth were completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked like he was just sleeping..with no more pain

I have lots of regrets for thing I have done or I havent done for George.. things that I would regret for the rest of my lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and things that I would never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this morning and she talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I also feel very peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he said... he is a little sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked about a lot of things.. but at the end he told me that.. dont think that he is just a little helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he can be an advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to control every situation I encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant for..so anyway, he gave me some advise which I found very very helpful to continue my life..
George said that he would like to meet me again,, probably not in my life time I left the conversation, asking him that if he would talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I love him and will miss him very much. And at the end,, he told me that he loves me, too. George has been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the world to me to know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite spot in the garden.. the place he used to hang out

Thank for all the prayers you have given for George in the past now George has passed..please pray that George will be continue to be happy, and continue to have a good life and that some dayI will meet him soon.

HideyoBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

RE: Geroge's passing









Thank you, Barbara..











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barb Moermond
Sent: Wednesday, September 07,
2005 11:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Geroge's passing







Oh Hideyo,





My heart goes out to you. But George was very lucky to have found
you and it sounds like he had a peaceful passing, no humans in sight:)
You gave him something that no one else could, a loving home. Our
thoughts and tears are with you.





HUGS

Hideyo
 Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:





Hi, my beloved George whom I rescued two month ago crossed
the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored breathing for the past few
days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time overcoming URI due to the
compromised immune system from FIV  he had been so well, he had a very
good appetite.. but he never could really gain weight. He was very
jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he was doing so good..though,,
Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to stress him out taking him to
a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his last days might have
been approaching as I felt that it must have been painful to breath so
heavily.. and he was getting so skinny regardless of his
appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was going
to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give him
predisone but he did not make it - 



I must have know that something was going to happen that
morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that day..I was so nervous
and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would go check the room
and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get stressed more if I
were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, one time, I heard
really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food from the plate.. so
I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. and an half hour later
or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not hear his breathing noise
in the room.. I got so scared and I looked around..and called his
name..and he was lying on the floor by the food plate with his eyes and
mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him he was still warm.. but
he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, and I wrapped him with
a blanket.. and put him on the table by the window. He looked so painful
with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they werent.. but
then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit George by the window
in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his eyes and mouth were
completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked like he was just
sleeping..with no more pain



I have lots of regrets for thing I have done or I
havent done for George.. things that I would regret for the rest of my
lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and things that I would
never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this morning and she
talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I also feel very
peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he said... he is a little
sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked about a lot of things.. but
at the end he told me that.. dont think that he is just a little
helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he can be an
advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to control every situation I
encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant for..so anyway, he gave me
some advise which I found very very helpful to continue my life..

George said that he would like to meet me again,, probably
not in my life time I left the conversation, asking him that if he would
talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I love him and will miss
him very much. And at the end,, he told me that he loves me, too.
George has been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the world to me to
know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite spot in the garden..
the place he used to hang out



Thank for all the prayers you have given for George in the
past now George has passed..please pray that George will be continue to
be happy, and continue to have a good life and that some dayI will meet
him soon.



Hideyo





Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living
his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
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Re: Geroge's passing

2005-09-07 Thread gblane

I'm so sorry, Hideyo, my prayers are for George's continued happiness and 
for you also.  Blessings, Gloria



At 11:49 AM 9/7/2005, you wrote:
Hi, my beloved George whom I rescued two month ago crossed the bridge 
yesterday  he had a very labored breathing for the past few days, the vet 
felt that he was having a hard time overcoming URI due to the compromised 
immune system from FIV  he had been so well, he had a very good 
appetite.. but he never could really gain weight.  He was very jaundiced 
and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he was doing so 
good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to stress 
him out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his 
last days might have been approaching as I felt that it must have been 
painful to breath so heavily..  and he was getting so skinny regardless of 
his appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was 
going to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give 
him predisone but he did not make it -


I must have know that something was going to happen that morning, because 
I couldnt sleep since 4 am that day..I was so nervous and was wide awake, 
kept thinking of George I would go check the room and see how he was 
doing.. and would go back (he would get stressed more if I were around 
since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, one time, I heard really 
loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food from the plate.. so I 
wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. and an half hour 
later or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not hear his 
breathing noise in the room.. I got so scared and I looked around..and 
called his name..and  he was lying on the floor by the food plate with his 
eyes and mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him he was still 
warm.. but he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, and I 
wrapped him with a blanket.. and put him on the table by the window. He 
looked so painful with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they 
werent.. but then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit 
George by the window in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his 
eyes and mouth were completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked 
like he was just sleeping..with no more pain


I have lots of regrets for thing I have done or I havent done for 
George.. things that I would regret for the rest of my lives and things 
that ended up shortening his lives and things that I would never forgive 
myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this morning and she talked 
to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I also feel very 
peaceful.  George is doing fabulous right now, he said... he is a little 
sad.. but he is feeling very good.  We talked about a lot of things.. but 
at the end he told me that.. dont think that he is just a little helpless 
cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he can be an 
advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to control every 
situation I encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant for..so anyway, 
he gave me some advise which I found very very helpful to continue my life..
George said that he would like to meet me again,, probably not in my life 
time I left the conversation, asking him that if he would talk to me 
again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I love him and will miss him 
very much. And at the end,, he told me that he loves me, too. George has 
been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the world to me to know that 
he loves me.I buried him at his favorite spot in the garden.. the place 
he used to hang out


Thank for all the prayers you have given for George in the past now 
George has passed..please pray that George will be continue to be happy, 
and continue to have a good life and that some dayI will meet him soon.


Hideyo

Re: sores in the mouth

2005-09-07 Thread gblane


I totally understand.  Those are what I would try - also the vit C - love it!

Gloria

At 11:51 AM 9/7/2005, you wrote:

Terri,
Just wanted to corroborate Julie's and Gloria's suggestions for Lysine and 
Interferon A.  Grace has periodic problems with her mouth from gingivitis 
and giving her 1cc daily of oral interferon during flare ups helps.  I 
think the Lysine does too.  How about Vita C?  My sister swears by zinc 
lozenges for warding off, or eliminating colds.  Has anyone ever heard of 
or used zinc for this with cats?  Those babies are going to get better G** 
D*** it.  Oops, I mean, God Bless it!

Nina

Terri Durham-Stone wrote:


My 3 FELV kits (almost 5 months) ,  I noticed have not been eating as
well as they were and noticed they all have red sores in their mouths.
Is there something I can give them for these ?   They just recently lost
their brothers (Albany and Macon) and I am trying my best to keep these
3 healthy.

Terri
ps one of them is sneezing so bad,  I have to take a shower after I come
from their room so as not to expose my other kits.

--
Terri Durham-Stone
Safe a Life Spay and Neuter
Live well, Love much, Laugh Often

RE: Geroge's passing

Thank you, Gloria!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Geroge's passing

I'm so sorry, Hideyo, my prayers are for George's continued happiness
and 
for you also.  Blessings, Gloria

At 11:49 AM 9/7/2005, you wrote:
Hi, my beloved George whom I rescued two month ago crossed the bridge 
yesterday - he had a very labored breathing for the past few days, the
vet 
felt that he was having a hard time overcoming URI due to the
compromised 
immune system from FIV - he had been so well, he had a very good 
appetite.. but he never could really gain weight.  He was very
jaundiced 
and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he was doing so 
good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to
stress 
him out taking him to a vet all the time.though. I did sense the
his 
last days might have been approaching as I felt that it must have been 
painful to breath so heavily..  and he was getting so skinny regardless
of 
his appetite...the vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and
was 
going to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could
give 
him predisone... but he did not make it -

I must have know that something was going to happen that morning,
because 
I couldn't sleep since 4 am that day..I was so nervous and was wide
awake, 
kept thinking of George... I would go check the room and see how he was

doing.. and would go back (he would get stressed more if I were around 
since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, one time, I heard
really 
loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food from the plate..
so I 
wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. and an half hour

later or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not hear his 
breathing noise in the room.. I got so scared... and I looked
around..and 
called his name..and  he was lying on the floor by the food plate with
his 
eyes and mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him... he was
still 
warm.. but he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, and
I 
wrapped him with a blanket.. and put him on the table by the window
He 
looked so painful with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that
they 
weren't.. but then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to
visit 
George by the window in the room an half hour later .. and this time..
his 
eyes and mouth were completely closed and he looked so peaceful..
looked 
like he was just sleeping..with no more pain...

I have lots of regrets for thing I have done or I haven't done for 
George.. things that I would regret for the rest of my lives and things

that ended up shortening his lives and things that I would never
forgive 
myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this morning and she
talked 
to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I also feel very 
peaceful.  George is doing fabulous right now, he said... he is a
little 
sad.. but he is feeling very good.  We talked about a lot of things..
but 
at the end he told me that.. don't think that he is just a little
helpless 
cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he can be an 
advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to control every 
situation I encounter.. and I beat up myself when I can't for..so
anyway, 
he gave me some advise which I found very very helpful to continue my
life..
George said that he would like to meet me again,, probably not in my
life 
time... I left the conversation, asking him that if he would talk to me

again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I love him and will miss him 
very much And at the end,, he told me that he loves me, too
George has 
been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the world to me to know
that 
he loves meI buried him at his favorite spot in the garden.. the
place 
he used to hang out...

Thank for all the prayers you have given for George in the past... now 
George has passed..please pray that George will be continue to be
happy, 
and continue to have a good life and that some day...I will meet him
soon.

Hideyo

RE: CLS

Terri,

I am so sorry for your loss.  I just had a sweet, 9 month old kitten die of
suspected FIP as well. I know how it feels not to be able to help them.
Again, please accept my sympathy.

Joan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry
N.
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: CLS 


I'm sorry for your loss, Terri. I've had trouble keeping up  posting in
recent weeks, but I know you and yours have suffered a lot, and my heart
goes out to you. It's so hard to see our kitties suffer. All we can do is
try to take comfort from the knowledge that they knew what it was to be
loved and care for. Thanks for doing all that you do. Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terri Durham-Stone
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: CLS 


For another sibling of Albany - Macon he was just a little over 4 months
FELV pos,  he was pts on Thursday Sept 1st from FIP - he could hardly walk
and his eyes told me it was time - He is out of any pain now and with his
brother and other friends. 4 left of the litter - there was only one that
was negative for FELV

heavy heart in Oakdale, CA
Terri
ps trying to look at my glass half full - sometimes this is hard when all
this is happening

Terri Durham-Stone
Safe a Life Spay and Neuter
Live well, Love much, Laugh Often



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RE: Sheila and Bubba

Sheila,

I am so sorry about your loss of Bubba.  He sounded like a great guy. Even
though it is a sad time, his story, did bring a smile to my face.  

Take care and please accept my sympathy.

Joan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Sheila and Bubba


Sheila, I am so sorry.  I know that beautiful Bubba will always be in  
your heart.  He sounds like such a special wonderful kitty.  Sending  
all my good wishes for your healing.

Gloria


On Sep 7, 2005, at 10:56 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

 It sounds like Bubba had a lot to teach us humans.What a wonderful
 character to share your life with, and what a stroke of luck for  
 you to find each other. I'm so sorry to hear you've lost the dear  
 little furball, Sheila. I can well imagine how much you're going to  
 miss him. Please know you're in my thoughts. hugs, Kerry
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:41 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: (no subject)

 Please add my beautiful Bubba to the list.He left us Friday evening
 after a long struggle with Felv. I have never had a cat who enjoyed  
 life so much.He was my oldest (16) and sweetest.He was the last of  
 a family of seven that came to us in 1989. His life was so full of  
 mishaps the first few years he would sneak out of the house like a  
 little escape artist .He was hit buy a car twice and twice attacked  
 buy neighborhood dogs. Once he got out and was missing for 10 days.  
 With the help of everyone in the neighborhood we searched  
 everywhere we could think to look. We finally gave up the search  
 thinking he was gone for good.Then late one night I heard a little  
 meow outside when I opened the door he stood there grinning like he  
 had only been gone a few minutes. After losing his left front leg  
 he decided the adventures weren't worth the pain and gave up his  
 life of escape.His injuries left him a little slow mentally (Forest  
 Gump),but that only made him more loveable. Everything about him  
 was bigger than life ,his curiosity,his appetite, his ability to  
 charm and get along with every one. I can't imagine life without  
 this sweet precious rogue.  Sheila

Re: Geroge's passing

2005-09-07 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Hideyo,
I am really sorry to hear about George, my heart goes out to you.
CherieHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

HideyoHave a purrfect day
Cherie

RE: CLS for Marie Cat

Title: Message



Tad,

I, 
too, am sorry for your loss of Marie Cat. She was a lucky woman, to find someone 
to take care of her in her dotage.

Please 
accept my sympathy for your loss.

Joan

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, 
  Kerry N.Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:33 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: CLS for Marie 
  Cat
  Dear 
  Tad, I'm so sorry and sad for you that you lost Marie Cat, but I'm very glad 
  that if she had to go, she went peacefully and on her own terms. It's the way 
  we all want our furballs to go when the time comes (not to mention ourselves). 
  I'm glad she found you, and knew what it was to live a happy life, knowing she 
  was loved and cared for. Thanks for all that you do for all those special 
  kitties that you take into your home and your heart. Kerry
  
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-,
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  maimaipgSent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:55 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: CLS for Marie 
  Cat
  She left happy and knowing she was safe and loved. 
  You can't ask for more than that. Sometimes we try to extend lives and 
  make the critter/person miserable doing so. I truly believe we need to 
  ask ourselves what we would want if we were in our animal friend's 
  paws. Please understand that I am not saying give up or do 
  nothing. Making the decision to hand the decision to God/our angels and 
  guides/nature is much harder than trying to exhaust medical science. You 
  are a very strong, wise and loving person to make that decision for Marie 
  Cat. I am very sure she is extremely pleased with the person she chose 
  to live with and that she sends you more love than you will ever know what to 
  do with. She will always be there to give you the comfort and love 
  you gave her. All you have to do is ask her.
  
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
catatonya 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:37 
PM
Subject: Re: CLS for Marie Cat

Tad,

I am so terribly sorry. It sounds though that it was the 'right' 
time for her to go and that she went on her own terms. I wish it could 
always be as peaceful for all our fur babies. Take care of 
yourself.

tonyaTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Sadly 
  my Marie Cat passed away quietly last evening..9/4/2005...She was a 
  beautiful Russian Blue...She was my first FeLV+ cat..I brought her 
  home almost 2 years ago to the dayShe was thought to be near 16 
  years old but she was picked up as a stray and we don't know for 
  sure..I rescued her with a group of 4 cats all starving and eaten by 
  fleas..Marie was very down and they didn't think she would survived the 
  300 mile trip home but i wanted to give her a chance...I didn't know 
  they were FeLV+ until I took them to my vet and that is when I decided to 
  start my FeLV+ room..I lost one of the kittens is a short time but her 
  brother is still here...Marie has always acted like an old cat but got 
  around and had her favorite spots in sunny windows and on the soft rug on 
  the breeze way...She enjoyed both those spots yesterday...About a week 
  ago she started drinking a lot of water and then throwing up...I put her 
  on an A/D diet and she seemed fine for a couple days then started not 
  eating...She excepted some from a suringe but not enough...Last 
  evening she only wanted about 10 cc and then wanted to get in the window 
  over my bed...I had to help her climb up there...She stayed there for a 
  couple hours then came down beside me where she always slept and before 
  long she had passed onI might have been able to do more to extend 
  her life but she was old and she was comfortable and happy right up to the 
  end...She was a very special cat, like all the others too, and she 
  will remain in my heart 
foreverTad
  
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RE: Geroge's passing

Title: Message



Hideyo,

I know 
that George appreciated all you did for him and that now he is pain free I 
am sorry for your sadness and loss, but I know, that you did the best you could 
for him and he loves you as well.

Joan

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo 
  YamamotoSent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:50 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Geroge's 
  passing
  
  Hi, my beloved George whom I 
  rescued two month ago crossed the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored 
  breathing for the past few days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time 
  overcoming URI due to the compromised immune system from FIV  he had been so 
  well, he had a very good appetite.. but he never could really gain weight. 
  He was very jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he 
  was doing so good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to 
  stress him out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his 
  last days might have been approaching as I felt that it must have been painful 
  to breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny regardless of his 
  appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was going to 
  call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give him 
  predisone but he did not make it - 
  
  I must have know that something 
  was going to happen that morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that 
  day..I was so nervous and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would go 
  check the room and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get 
  stressed more if I were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, 
  one time, I heard really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food 
  from the plate.. so I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. 
  and an half hour later or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not 
  hear his breathing noise in the room.. I got so scared and I looked 
  around..and called his name..and he was lying on the floor by the food 
  plate with his eyes and mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him he 
  was still warm.. but he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, 
  and I wrapped him with a blanket.. and put him on the table by the window. He 
  looked so painful with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they 
  werent.. but then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit 
  George by the window in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his 
  eyes and mouth were completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked like 
  he was just sleeping..with no more pain
  
  I have lots of regrets for thing I 
  have done or I havent done for George.. things that I would regret for the 
  rest of my lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and things that 
  I would never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this 
  morning and she talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I 
  also feel very peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he said... 
  he is a little sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked about a lot 
  of things.. but at the end he told me that.. dont think that he is just a 
  little helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he 
  can be an advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to control every 
  situation I encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant for..so anyway, he 
  gave me some advise which I found very very helpful to continue my 
  life..
  George said that he would like to 
  meet me again,, probably not in my life time I left the conversation, asking 
  him that if he would talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I 
  love him and will miss him very much. And at the end,, he told me that he 
  loves me, too. George has been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the 
  world to me to know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite spot in the 
  garden.. the place he used to hang out
  
  Thank for all the prayers you have 
  given for George in the past now George has passed..please pray that George 
  will be continue to be happy, and continue to have a good life and that some 
  dayI will meet him soon.
  
  Hideyo

Re: laser toy

2005-09-07 Thread janine paton

Hi Kerry,  

Most of my cats love the laser.  No matter how quietly
I try to take it out of it's hiding spot, some of them
will actually wake up immediately and come running.  I
find it amazing that they know the difference between
the noise the chain on the laser makes and dozens of
others similar noises.

I used to worry about it teasing them also, until one
cat, whenever I took my finger off the switch, came
over and smacked my arm, looking straight into my
eyes, until I turned it back on - then she was back to
pretending it was really something to chase.

And another will just stop and look over his shoulder
at me as if to say Aw, come one, turn it back on! 
(and this one I don't consider to be the brightest of
the bunch g)

So, I decided then they must know, they're just such
great pretenders. 

Janine
--- MacKenzie, Kerry N.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Glad someone mentioned the laser toy--I do use it
 occasionally because
 it's the one thing that never fails to get my 2
 quarantined cats moving.
 But the reason I only use it occasionally is that I
 worry about the
 frustration element-they think there's something to
 catch but they can
 never succeed. Ditto those cat videos showing birds
 etc, with all the
 sound effects. I used to play them, but worried
 about the cats becoming
 depressed. I'd love to hear other opinions. Is there
 any reliable info
 out there on how chasing intangible objects affects
 cats? If I thought
 they were really ok, I'd use them more often. Kerry
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Barb Moermond
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements
 
 
 I would be cautious in using laser pointers as toys
 -
 I know they love it and I bring mine out a couple
 times a year, but it can make some kitties go a
 little
 nuts.  One of the clinic cats where I take my boys
 lost it after having played with the laser toy and
 kept looking for the red dot to the point she was
 attacking other kitties.  No more lasers and she was
 on meds for a while but is OK now.  Just something
 to
 keep in mind!
 
 --- maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  My alternative vet recommends transfer factor and
  MacroForce for boosting the immune system.  The
  active ingredient in Macro Force is available in
  other brands.  This just happens to be the easiest
  to get in my area of the country.  She also uses
  laser (as has me use a regular laser pointer) on
  various points on the cat's body.  It acts sort of
  like acupuncture.  You would have to get someone
 to
  show you the points or try to figure it out from
 the
  internet.  Keep the light out of the eyes.  But
  enjoy running the light in circles around the cat.
 
  Mine love to chase the little red dot they can't
  catch.  For $20 it is a wonderful toy even if you
  can't figure the alternative med stuff out.   It
  stimulates their interest and gives them exercise
  that has to help their morale.
  - Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements
  
  
I do not think that any supplements will help
 with
  the anemia directly unless it is iron anemia,
 which
  is very rare in cats and probably is not the case
  with him.  I would put him on 500 mg per day of
  Lysine, split into two doses, and a multi-vitamin
  supplement (like Pet Tinic, which does have iron)
  and maybe switch on and off between echinacea and
  astragalus every week. I would mix them into baby
  food twice per day in small doses and let him eat
  them.  People also rave about Transfer Factor,
 which
  I have not tried yet, so maybe that as well. I
 would
  start with one at a time so if he does not want to
  eat the baby food you will know which supplement
 he
  does not like.
Michelle
 
 
 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
 
 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should
 impress.  Merely
 living his life, doing what pleases him, and making
 me smile. 
- Anonymous
 
 
   
   

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Re: laser toy

2005-09-07 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

My whole crue loves that toy, I do not have any toys that they play with as a group but this is one.of course flies, boy do they love the flies.

Cheriejanine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kerry, Most of my cats love the laser. No matter how quietlyI try to take it out of it's hiding spot, some of themwill actually wake up immediately and come running. Ifind it amazing that they know the difference betweenthe noise the chain on the laser makes and dozens ofothers similar noises.I used to worry about it teasing them also, until onecat, whenever I took my finger off the switch, cameover and smacked my arm, looking straight into myeyes, until I turned it back on - then she was back topretending it was really something to chase.And another will just stop and look over his shoulderat me as if to say Aw, come one, turn it back on! (and this one I don't consider to be the brightest ofthe bunch )So, I decided then they must know, they're just suchgreat pretenders. Janine---
"MacKenzie, Kerry N."<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Glad someone mentioned the laser toy--I do use it occasionally because it's the one thing that never fails to get my 2 quarantined cats moving. But the reason I only use it occasionally is that I worry about the frustration element-they think there's something to catch but they can never succeed. Ditto those cat videos showing birds etc, with all the sound effects. I used to play them, but worried about the cats becoming depressed. I'd love to hear other opinions. Is there any reliable info out there on how chasing intangible objects affects cats? If I thought they were really ok, I'd use them more often. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb
Moermond Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements I would be cautious in using laser pointers as toys - I know they love it and I bring mine out a couple times a year, but it can make some kitties go a little nuts. One of the clinic cats where I take my boys lost it after having played with the laser toy and kept looking for the red dot to the point she was attacking other kitties. No more lasers and she was on meds for a while but is OK now. Just something to keep in mind! --- maimaipg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: My alternative vet recommends transfer factor and MacroForce for boosting the immune system. The active ingredient in Macro Force is available in other brands. This just happens to be the
easiest to get in my area of the country. She also uses laser (as has me use a regular laser pointer) on various points on the cat's body. It acts sort of like acupuncture. You would have to get someone to show you the points or try to figure it out from the internet. Keep the light out of the eyes. But enjoy running the light in circles around the cat. Mine love to chase the little red dot they can't catch. For $20 it is a wonderful toy even if you can't figure the alternative med stuff out. It stimulates their interest and gives them exercise that has to help their morale. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Bandy and
supplements I do not think that any supplements will help with the anemia directly unless it is iron anemia, which is very rare in cats and probably is not the case with him. I would put him on 500 mg per day of Lysine, split into two doses, and a multi-vitamin supplement (like Pet Tinic, which does have iron) and maybe switch on and off between echinacea and astragalus every week. I would mix them into baby food twice per day in small doses and let him eat them. People also rave about Transfer Factor, which I have not tried yet, so maybe that as well. I would start with one at a time so if he does not want to eat the baby food you will know which supplement he does not like. Michelle Barb+Smoky the
House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous__ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/

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Adult cat resistance to Felv


Hello Everyone,
I've been discussing resistance ratios of healthy adult cats to Felv 
with the vet that monitors my IBD list.  She just sent this to me this 
morning and knew you guys would be interested.

Nina

Lisa...this is a question that comes up quite frequently.
The natural resistance to FeLV infection in cats older than 4 to 6 months
is very well established among feline retrovirologist.  While
susceptibility to FIV remains constant throughout life, that simply is not
the case with FeLV.  While it is NOT impossible to infect an adult cat,
the inoculate of FeLV has to be really significant (or repeated) in order
to infect.

This has been shown in virtually all FeLV vaccine Challenge studies
involving adult cats.  It is MOST difficult to assess efficacy of an FeLV
vaccine when using adults as controls...because they just don't get
infected.  Schering Plough has turned this into a 3-year guarantee for
their FeLV vaccine (a VERY reactive adjuvanted vaccine).  This is a
'no-brainer'...obviously!  Fact is, ALL FeLV vaccines look good in the
long run because of this natural resistance.

This phenomenon is apparently related to T-cell maturity in the individual
cat and the interaction of those lymphocytes with specific epitopes of
FeLV.

The updated Feline Vaccination Guidelines are being written now.  This
material will be included to more clearly point out this phenomenon.

I do have a copy of the original paper...it goes back a number of years
now and was published in a virology journal...Richard Olsen (who developed
the first FeLV vaccine for Norden Laboratories) and Jennifer Royjko (sp?)
published the manuscript.  I don't have that paper with me...but will try
to dig this out and send the ref if you're really interested in getting
into that.

RBFord

RE: laser toy

one
cat, whenever I took my finger off the switch, came
over and smacked my arm, looking straight into my
eyes, until I turned it back on 


That's funny, Janine---ok, you've convinced me they make the connection!
(I do make sure they get a special treat afterwards to make up for the
teasing.) Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of janine paton
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: laser toy


Hi Kerry,  

Most of my cats love the laser.  No matter how quietly
I try to take it out of it's hiding spot, some of them
will actually wake up immediately and come running.  I
find it amazing that they know the difference between
the noise the chain on the laser makes and dozens of
others similar noises.

I used to worry about it teasing them also, until one
cat, whenever I took my finger off the switch, came
over and smacked my arm, looking straight into my
eyes, until I turned it back on - then she was back to
pretending it was really something to chase.

And another will just stop and look over his shoulder
at me as if to say Aw, come one, turn it back on! 
(and this one I don't consider to be the brightest of
the bunch g)

So, I decided then they must know, they're just such
great pretenders. 

Janine
--- MacKenzie, Kerry N.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Glad someone mentioned the laser toy--I do use it
 occasionally because
 it's the one thing that never fails to get my 2
 quarantined cats moving.
 But the reason I only use it occasionally is that I
 worry about the
 frustration element-they think there's something to
 catch but they can
 never succeed. Ditto those cat videos showing birds
 etc, with all the
 sound effects. I used to play them, but worried
 about the cats becoming
 depressed. I'd love to hear other opinions. Is there
 any reliable info
 out there on how chasing intangible objects affects
 cats? If I thought
 they were really ok, I'd use them more often. Kerry
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Barb Moermond
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements
 
 
 I would be cautious in using laser pointers as toys
 -
 I know they love it and I bring mine out a couple
 times a year, but it can make some kitties go a
 little
 nuts.  One of the clinic cats where I take my boys
 lost it after having played with the laser toy and
 kept looking for the red dot to the point she was
 attacking other kitties.  No more lasers and she was
 on meds for a while but is OK now.  Just something
 to
 keep in mind!
 
 --- maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  My alternative vet recommends transfer factor and
  MacroForce for boosting the immune system.  The
  active ingredient in Macro Force is available in
  other brands.  This just happens to be the easiest
  to get in my area of the country.  She also uses
  laser (as has me use a regular laser pointer) on
  various points on the cat's body.  It acts sort of
  like acupuncture.  You would have to get someone
 to
  show you the points or try to figure it out from
 the
  internet.  Keep the light out of the eyes.  But
  enjoy running the light in circles around the cat.
 
  Mine love to chase the little red dot they can't
  catch.  For $20 it is a wonderful toy even if you
  can't figure the alternative med stuff out.   It
  stimulates their interest and gives them exercise
  that has to help their morale.
  - Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements
  
  
I do not think that any supplements will help
 with
  the anemia directly unless it is iron anemia,
 which
  is very rare in cats and probably is not the case
  with him.  I would put him on 500 mg per day of
  Lysine, split into two doses, and a multi-vitamin
  supplement (like Pet Tinic, which does have iron)
  and maybe switch on and off between echinacea and
  astragalus every week. I would mix them into baby
  food twice per day in small doses and let him eat
  them.  People also rave about Transfer Factor,
 which
  I have not tried yet, so maybe that as well. I
 would
  start with one at a time so if he does not want to
  eat the baby food you will know which supplement
 he
  does not like.
Michelle
 
 
 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
 
 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should
 impress.  Merely
 living his life, doing what pleases him, and making
 me smile. 
- Anonymous
 
 
   
   

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Re: laser toy


Do they make remote controlled mice?  Wouldn't that be fun!?
Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:


That's funny, Janine---ok, you've convinced me they make the connection!
(I do make sure they get a special treat afterwards to make up for the
teasing.) Kerry

RE: laser toy

I have a battery operated cat that has a randomly moving mouse that
dangles from it---the Momcat loves it. But I'd love to hear of other
successful toys that are battery operated--I've heard Da Bird is good??

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: laser toy

Do they make remote controlled mice?  Wouldn't that be fun!?
Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

That's funny, Janine---ok, you've convinced me they make the
connection!
(I do make sure they get a special treat afterwards to make up for the
teasing.) Kerry

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Re: Geroge's passing

2005-09-07 Thread Terri Brown





Big hugs to you Hideyo -- you did so much. We all know you loved 
him.

Goodnight, sweet George...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:49 
  PM
  Subject: Geroge's passing
  
  
  Hi, my beloved George whom I 
  rescued two month ago crossed the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored 
  breathing for the past few days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time 
  overcoming URI due to the compromised immune system from FIV  he had been so 
  well, he had a very good appetite.. but he never could really gain weight. 
  He was very jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he 
  was doing so good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to 
  stress him out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his 
  last days might have been approaching as I felt that it must have been painful 
  to breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny regardless of his 
  appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was going to 
  call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give him 
  predisone but he did not make it - 
  
  I must have know that something 
  was going to happen that morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that 
  day..I was so nervous and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would go 
  check the room and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get 
  stressed more if I were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, 
  one time, I heard really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food 
  from the plate.. so I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. 
  and an half hour later or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not 
  hear his breathing noise in the room.. I got so scared and I looked 
  around..and called his name..and he was lying on the floor by the food 
  plate with his eyes and mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him he 
  was still warm.. but he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, 
  and I wrapped him with a blanket.. and put him on the table by the window. He 
  looked so painful with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they 
  werent.. but then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit 
  George by the window in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his 
  eyes and mouth were completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked like 
  he was just sleeping..with no more pain
  
  I have lots of regrets for thing I 
  have done or I havent done for George.. things that I would regret for the 
  rest of my lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and things that 
  I would never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this 
  morning and she talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I 
  also feel very peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he said... 
  he is a little sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked about a lot 
  of things.. but at the end he told me that.. dont think that he is just a 
  little helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he 
  can be an advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to control every 
  situation I encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant for..so anyway, he 
  gave me some advise which I found very very helpful to continue my 
  life..
  George said that he would like to 
  meet me again,, probably not in my life time I left the conversation, asking 
  him that if he would talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I 
  love him and will miss him very much. And at the end,, he told me that he 
  loves me, too. George has been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the 
  world to me to know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite spot in the 
  garden.. the place he used to hang out
  
  Thank for all the prayers you have 
  given for George in the past now George has passed..please pray that George 
  will be continue to be happy, and continue to have a good life and that some 
  dayI will meet him soon.
  
  Hideyo

Update on Princess Grace

Grace and I could use your prayers and good vibrations.  She has been 
feeling poorly the last couple of months.  Usually when she feels crummy 
I put her on a round of Dox, and she feels better almost immediately.  
Not so, this time.  I put her on Dox and she didn't improve 
significantly.  I took her off of Dox and started the five day protocol 
of Virbagen Omega, (injections of feline interferon, 1x daily).  Again, 
she improved slightly, but not significantly.  After the 4th day, I 
stopped the VO and put her back on Dox.  She's been getting the Dox 
again for about a week, she continues to improve, but is still not 
herself.  I've also been giving her oral interferon (chasing the Dox 
pill with it), transfer factor, Lysine, Co-Q10 etc.  Her appetite is 
off, so I had to stop the supplements to get her to eat.  I'm going to 
try some transdermal Cyproheptadine to see if it helps her eat more.  
You may think I'm crazy, (so what's new?), but I talked to two different 
ACs that told me they did not think there were any tumors involved, or 
problems with any of her internal organs, just a feeling of general 
malaise.  I had an appointment with our Internist today, but Grace seems 
to have improved more in the last couple of days, so I canceled it.  It 
was a difficult decision to make.  Grace suffers greatly from the stress 
involved in a visit to the vet and knowing that there would be several 
different tests involved to determine what is going on with her...  
Well, I just decided not to put her through it.  There's been too many 
times that after the trauma and expense, nothing new has been learned.  
I don't feel completely confident in this decision, but if she doesn't 
continue to improve I can still bring her in later.  I'm waiting for a 
call from the vet to discuss a different antibiotic in case Grace has 
finally built a resistance to Doxycycline.  For heavens sake, we don't 
even know why Dox has worked for her!  Anyway, if you could take a 
moment to think of my Grace and wish her well, it would be greatly 
appreciated.

Nina

RE: Sad News

Title: Message

Dear
Julie
I
really feel for you. That's just all so overwhelming. So many sick kitties all
at one time. For myself I know I would find it very, very difficult to put any
animal through painful or uncomfortableprocedureswhich also usually
necessarily involve handling by strangers, hospitalization or clinic for
extended periods, or isolation---especially when the chances of recovery are
poor. But I also know that whatever decison you make will be based on what you
think is best for each of them and won't be made without a huge amount of
thought.
Please
know you and your beloved little furballs Mandy, Paulie and Cosmo are in my
thoughts.
love,
Kerry

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005
10:09 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Sad
News
Hi Everyone,

I have somesad news to share. First, Mandy's biopsies are back
and she has oral squamous cell carcinoma. The entire back of her tongue is
involved. We are consulting a surgeon, but her prognosis is very poor,
indeed. The surgery would be horrendous (possibly removing part of her
jaw, too), followed by radiation therapy. Even with this extreme
treatment, the recurrance rate for this kind of cancer is very high; I
understand sometimes within just a couple of months. Mandy is a sweet
little girl (Tater Tot's sister) who loves to come visit on her terms, but does
not like being handled. Medicating her and syringe-feeding are nearly
impossible.I'm not sure at this point what we will do or not
do.

Paulie, (the father of Mandy and Tater) is 7 years old and is in renal
failure.
He is feral and although I can capture him when I have to, I would need to
keep him in his own room to get treatment. When he had the corneal ulcer,
it was a much different story and we had a treatment plan and a projected
outcome. For CRF, I can't see imposing that on him just to keep him a bit
longer. He is eating again and seems a bit more like himself (won't let me
pet him!) so we'll just see how he does.

Cosmo has a dislocated ankle and according to the consulting radiologist,
it cannot be splinted. He would need surgery to have the bones fused and
he would then have a stiff leg that he couldn't bend at the wrist. I have
to investigate this more, because we all agree that he is starting to put more
weight on the leg and the bones may actually be fusing in this position which is
not much different than it would be after surgery. Again, not sure how we
will proceed for him. Hedoes not seem to be in any pain; you can
move his leg every which-way and he does not make a peep or try to pull his paw
away. He just obviously favors the leg.

I'm just overwhelmed by all this. It's breaking my heart. Having so
many cats, I knew that a day would likely come when I had several who were ill
all at the same time, and that has certainly happened before. I've not
faced or dealt with so many probably being terminal, though. I suppose one
can never fully prepare for that emotionally.

Thanks for listening, everyone, and please keep my "kids" in your
thoughts.

Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the
more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. "
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by
the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi
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RE: Update on Princess Grace

Nina,

Sending healing vibes from us to the Princess.  May she live long and
prosper!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Update on Princess Grace

Grace and I could use your prayers and good vibrations.  She has been 
feeling poorly the last couple of months.  Usually when she feels crummy 
I put her on a round of Dox, and she feels better almost immediately.  
Not so, this time.  I put her on Dox and she didn't improve 
significantly.  I took her off of Dox and started the five day protocol 
of Virbagen Omega, (injections of feline interferon, 1x daily).  Again, 
she improved slightly, but not significantly.  After the 4th day, I 
stopped the VO and put her back on Dox.  She's been getting the Dox 
again for about a week, she continues to improve, but is still not 
herself.  I've also been giving her oral interferon (chasing the Dox 
pill with it), transfer factor, Lysine, Co-Q10 etc.  Her appetite is 
off, so I had to stop the supplements to get her to eat.  I'm going to 
try some transdermal Cyproheptadine to see if it helps her eat more.  
You may think I'm crazy, (so what's new?), but I talked to two different 
ACs that told me they did not think there were any tumors involved, or 
problems with any of her internal organs, just a feeling of general 
malaise.  I had an appointment with our Internist today, but Grace seems 
to have improved more in the last couple of days, so I canceled it.  It 
was a difficult decision to make.  Grace suffers greatly from the stress 
involved in a visit to the vet and knowing that there would be several 
different tests involved to determine what is going on with her...  
Well, I just decided not to put her through it.  There's been too many 
times that after the trauma and expense, nothing new has been learned.  
I don't feel completely confident in this decision, but if she doesn't 
continue to improve I can still bring her in later.  I'm waiting for a 
call from the vet to discuss a different antibiotic in case Grace has 
finally built a resistance to Doxycycline.  For heavens sake, we don't 
even know why Dox has worked for her!  Anyway, if you could take a 
moment to think of my Grace and wish her well, it would be greatly 
appreciated.
Nina

Re: laser toy

2005-09-07 Thread Lewis Faye

While I have never used the laser, my mother had the same concerns about my cat track with the ping pong ball in the track that the cat chases. My mother felt so bad about them being frustratedthat she would take the ball out and give it to the cats. THAT depressed them. I am serious.They wereobviously disappointed. They wanted the ball back in the track. They knew it was a game. I seriously think cats are smart enough to know a game when they see it and most cats love a good game.

I use cat teasers tooand catching the thing is never as fun as the chase. One of my cats will bring a teaser to me to make it "move." They know a game. I really believe this."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glad someone mentioned the laser toy--I do use it occasionally becauseit's the one thing that never fails to get my 2 quarantined cats moving.But the reason I only use it occasionally is that I worry about thefrustration element-they think there's something to catch but they cannever succeed. Ditto those cat videos showing birds etc, with all thesound effects. I used to play them, but worried about the cats becomingdepressed. I'd love to hear other opinions. Is there any reliable infoout there on how chasing intangible objects affects cats? If I thoughtthey were really ok, I'd use them more often. Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Bandy and
supplementsI would be cautious in using laser pointers as toys -I know they love it and I bring mine out a coupletimes a year, but it can make some kitties go a littlenuts. One of the clinic cats where I take my boyslost it after having played with the laser toy andkept looking for the red dot to the point she wasattacking other kitties. No more lasers and she wason meds for a while but is OK now. Just something tokeep in mind!--- maimaipg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: My alternative vet recommends transfer factor and MacroForce for boosting the immune system. The active ingredient in Macro Force is available in other brands. This just happens to be the easiest to get in my area of the country. She also uses laser (as has me use a regular laser pointer) on various points on the cat's body. It acts sort of like acupuncture. You would have to get someone to
show you the points or try to figure it out from the internet. Keep the light out of the eyes. But enjoy running the light in circles around the cat. Mine love to chase the little red dot they can't catch. For $20 it is a wonderful toy even if you can't figure the alternative med stuff out. It stimulates their interest and gives them exercise that has to help their morale. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements I do not think that any supplements will help with the anemia directly unless it is iron anemia, which is very rare in cats and probably is not the case with him. I would put him on 500 mg per day of Lysine, split into two doses, and a multi-vitamin supplement (like Pet Tinic, which does
have iron) and maybe switch on and off between echinacea and astragalus every week. I would mix them into baby food twice per day in small doses and let him eat them. People also rave about Transfer Factor, which I have not tried yet, so maybe that as well. I would start with one at a time so if he does not want to eat the baby food you will know which supplement he does not like. MichelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merelyliving his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous__Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/

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Re: Update on Princess Grace

2005-09-07 Thread Terri Brown

Ditto from me!

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- Original Message -
From: Doljan, Joan
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'

Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:45
PM
Subject: RE: Update on Princess
Grace
Nina,Sending healing vibes from us to the
Princess. May she live long andprosper!-Original
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:46 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:
Update on Princess GraceGrace and I could use your prayers and
good vibrations. She has been feeling poorly the last couple of
months. Usually when she feels crummy I put her on a round of Dox,
and she feels better almost immediately. Not so, this time. I
put her on Dox and she didn't improve significantly. I took her off
of Dox and started the five day protocol of Virbagen Omega, (injections of
feline interferon, 1x daily). Again, she improved slightly, but not
significantly. After the 4th day, I stopped the VO and put her back
on Dox. She's been getting the Dox again for about a week, she
continues to improve, but is still not herself. I've also been
giving her oral interferon (chasing the Dox pill with it), transfer
factor, Lysine, Co-Q10 etc. Her appetite is off, so I had to stop
the supplements to get her to eat. I'm going to try some transdermal
Cyproheptadine to see if it helps her eat more. You may think I'm
crazy, (so what's new?), but I talked to two different ACs that told me
they did not think there were any tumors involved, or problems with any of
her internal organs, just a feeling of general malaise. I had an
appointment with our Internist today, but Grace seems to have improved
more in the last couple of days, so I canceled it. It was a
difficult decision to make. Grace suffers greatly from the stress
involved in a visit to the vet and knowing that there would be several
different tests involved to determine what is going on with her...
Well, I just decided not to put her through it. There's been too
many times that after the trauma and expense, nothing new has been
learned. I don't feel completely confident in this decision, but if
she doesn't continue to improve I can still bring her in later. I'm
waiting for a call from the vet to discuss a different antibiotic in case
Grace has finally built a resistance to Doxycycline. For heavens
sake, we don't even know why Dox has worked for her! Anyway, if you
could take a moment to think of my Grace and wish her well, it would be
greatly appreciated.Nina

RE: Update on Princess Grace

Dear Nina
Sending lots of positive vibes and healing thoughts for little Grace. I
pray she feels herself again soon. (I TOTALLY understand your not
wanting to put her through the h*ll of a vet visit.)
I wonder if the vet will put her on a different antibiotic -- if so,
I'll pray it's the answer. 
hugs to you and Grace, Kerry
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Update on Princess Grace


Grace and I could use your prayers and good vibrations.  She has been 
feeling poorly the last couple of months.  Usually when she feels crummy

I put her on a round of Dox, and she feels better almost immediately.  
Not so, this time.  I put her on Dox and she didn't improve 
significantly.  I took her off of Dox and started the five day protocol 
of Virbagen Omega, (injections of feline interferon, 1x daily).  Again, 
she improved slightly, but not significantly.  After the 4th day, I 
stopped the VO and put her back on Dox.  She's been getting the Dox 
again for about a week, she continues to improve, but is still not 
herself.  I've also been giving her oral interferon (chasing the Dox 
pill with it), transfer factor, Lysine, Co-Q10 etc.  Her appetite is 
off, so I had to stop the supplements to get her to eat.  I'm going to 
try some transdermal Cyproheptadine to see if it helps her eat more.  
You may think I'm crazy, (so what's new?), but I talked to two different

ACs that told me they did not think there were any tumors involved, or 
problems with any of her internal organs, just a feeling of general 
malaise.  I had an appointment with our Internist today, but Grace seems

to have improved more in the last couple of days, so I canceled it.  It 
was a difficult decision to make.  Grace suffers greatly from the stress

involved in a visit to the vet and knowing that there would be several 
different tests involved to determine what is going on with her...  
Well, I just decided not to put her through it.  There's been too many 
times that after the trauma and expense, nothing new has been learned.  
I don't feel completely confident in this decision, but if she doesn't 
continue to improve I can still bring her in later.  I'm waiting for a 
call from the vet to discuss a different antibiotic in case Grace has 
finally built a resistance to Doxycycline.  For heavens sake, we don't 
even know why Dox has worked for her!  Anyway, if you could take a 
moment to think of my Grace and wish her well, it would be greatly 
appreciated.
Nina


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Re: Update on Princess Grace

2005-09-07 Thread Susan Loesch

You've got it - from me and from my feleuk+ Daisy who is sitting in my lap. Lots of prayers and good vibrations for sweet Grace and you, too.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Grace and I could use your prayers and good vibrations. She has been feeling poorly the last couple of months. Usually when she feels crummy I put her on a round of Dox, and she feels better almost immediately. Not so, this time. I put her on Dox and she didn't improve significantly. I took her off of Dox and started the five day protocol of Virbagen Omega, (injections of feline interferon, 1x daily). Again, she improved slightly, but not significantly. After the 4th day, I stopped the VO and put her back on Dox. She's been getting the Dox again for about a week, she continues to improve, but is still not herself. I've also been giving her oral interferon (chasing the Dox pill with it), transfer factor, Lysine, Co-Q10 etc. Her appetite is off, so I had to stop the supplements to get her to eat. I'm going to try some transdermal
Cyproheptadine to see if it helps her eat more. You may think I'm crazy, (so what's new?), but I talked to two different ACs that told me they did not think there were any tumors involved, or problems with any of her internal organs, just a feeling of general malaise. I had an appointment with our Internist today, but Grace seems to have improved more in the last couple of days, so I canceled it. It was a difficult decision to make. Grace suffers greatly from the stress involved in a visit to the vet and knowing that there would be several different tests involved to determine what is going on with her... Well, I just decided not to put her through it. There's been too many times that after the trauma and expense, nothing new has been learned. I don't feel completely confident in this decision, but if she doesn't continue to improve I can still bring her in later. I'm waiting for a call from the vet to discuss a different
antibiotic in case Grace has finally built a resistance to Doxycycline. For heavens sake, we don't even know why Dox has worked for her! Anyway, if you could take a moment to think of my Grace and wish her well, it would be greatly appreciated.Nina

RE: laser toy

Title: Message



THAT depressed them. I am 
serious.They wereobviously disappointed. They wanted the 
ball back in the track. They knew it was a gameThanks 
Faye---that's hilarious. I think I'm becoming convinced that it's ok---more than 
ok--to use "teaser" toys! Kerry

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 
2:46 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: laser 
toy
While I have never used the laser, my mother had the same concerns about my 
cat track with the ping pong ball in the track that the cat chases. My 
mother felt so bad about them being frustratedthat she would take the ball 
out and give it to the cats. THAT depressed them. I am 
serious.They wereobviously disappointed. They wanted the 
ball back in the track. They knew it was a game. I seriously think 
cats are smart enough to know a game when they see it and most cats love a good 
game. 

I use cat teasers tooand catching the thing is never as fun as the 
chase. One of my cats will bring a teaser to me to make it "move." 
They know a game. I really believe this."MacKenzie, Kerry 
N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glad 
  someone mentioned the laser toy--I do use it occasionally becauseit's the 
  one thing that never fails to get my 2 quarantined cats moving.But the 
  reason I only use it occasionally is that I worry about thefrustration 
  element-they think there's something to catch but they cannever succeed. 
  Ditto those cat videos showing birds etc, with all thesound effects. I 
  used to play them, but worried about the cats becomingdepressed. I'd love 
  to hear other opinions. Is there any reliable infoout there on how chasing 
  intangible objects affects cats? If I thoughtthey were really ok, I'd use 
  them more often. Kerry-Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: ! Bandy and 
  supplementsI would be cautious in using laser pointers as toys 
  -I know they love it and I bring mine out a coupletimes a year, but it 
  can make some kitties go a littlenuts. One of the clinic cats where I take 
  my boyslost it after having played with the laser toy andkept looking 
  for the red dot to the point she wasattacking other kitties. No more 
  lasers and she wason meds for a while but is OK now. Just something 
  tokeep in mind!--- maimaipg 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: My alternative vet recommends 
  transfer factor and MacroForce for boosting the immune system. 
  The active ingredient in Macro Force is available in other 
  brands. This just happens to be the easiest to get in my area of the 
  country. She also uses laser (as has me use a regular laser pointer) 
  on various points on the cat's body. It acts sort of like 
  acupuncture. You would have to get someone t! o show you the points or 
  try to figure it out from the internet. Keep the light out of the 
  eyes. But enjoy running the light in circles around the cat.  
  Mine love to chase the little red dot they can't catch. For $20 it is 
  a wonderful toy even if you can't figure the alternative med stuff 
  out. It stimulates their interest and gives them exercise that 
  has to help their morale. - Original Message -  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Sent: 
  Monday, September 05, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Bandy and 
  supplements   I do not think that any supplements will 
  help with the anemia directly unless it is iron anemia, which 
  is very rare in cats and probably is not the case with him. I would 
  put him on 500 mg per day of Lysine, split into two doses, and a 
  multi-vitamin supplement (like Pet Tinic, w! hich does have 
  iron) and maybe switch on and off between echinacea and 
  astragalus every week. I would mix them into baby food twice per day 
  in small doses and let him eat them. People also rave about Transfer 
  Factor, which I have not tried yet, so maybe that as well. I 
  would start with one at a time so if he does not want to eat 
  the baby food you will know which supplement he does not like. 
  MichelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat 
  the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merelyliving his 
  life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - 
  Anonymous__Click 
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Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv

if she finds the link/cite, PLEASE let us know!

On 9/7/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 I've been discussing resistance ratios of healthy adult cats to Felv
 with the vet that monitors my IBD list.  She just sent this to me this
 morning and knew you guys would be interested.
 Nina
 
 Lisa...this is a question that comes up quite frequently.
 The natural resistance to FeLV infection in cats older than 4 to 6 months
 is very well established among feline retrovirologist.  While
 susceptibility to FIV remains constant throughout life, that simply is not
 the case with FeLV.  While it is NOT impossible to infect an adult cat,
 the inoculate of FeLV has to be really significant (or repeated) in order
 to infect.
 
 This has been shown in virtually all FeLV vaccine Challenge studies
 involving adult cats.  It is MOST difficult to assess efficacy of an FeLV
 vaccine when using adults as controls...because they just don't get
 infected.  Schering Plough has turned this into a 3-year guarantee for
 their FeLV vaccine (a VERY reactive adjuvanted vaccine).  This is a
 'no-brainer'...obviously!  Fact is, ALL FeLV vaccines look good in the
 long run because of this natural resistance.
 
 This phenomenon is apparently related to T-cell maturity in the individual
 cat and the interaction of those lymphocytes with specific epitopes of
 FeLV.
 
 The updated Feline Vaccination Guidelines are being written now.  This
 material will be included to more clearly point out this phenomenon.
 
 I do have a copy of the original paper...it goes back a number of years
 now and was published in a virology journal...Richard Olsen (who developed
 the first FeLV vaccine for Norden Laboratories) and Jennifer Royjko (sp?)
 published the manuscript.  I don't have that paper with me...but will try
 to dig this out and send the ref if you're really interested in getting
 into that.
 
 RBFord
 
 
 


-- 
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ICQ: 289856892

RE: Adult cat resistance to Felv

Thanks Nina---is it possible you could also send us the original
question (from Lisa)? I'd like to forward to my vet and anyone else I
think might be interested/benefit. (I am also extremely interested.)
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv

if she finds the link/cite, PLEASE let us know!

On 9/7/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 I've been discussing resistance ratios of healthy adult cats to Felv
 with the vet that monitors my IBD list.  She just sent this to me this
 morning and knew you guys would be interested.
 Nina

 Lisa...this is a question that comes up quite frequently.
 The natural resistance to FeLV infection in cats older than 4 to 6
months
 is very well established among feline retrovirologist.  While
 susceptibility to FIV remains constant throughout life, that simply is
not
 the case with FeLV.  While it is NOT impossible to infect an adult
cat,
 the inoculate of FeLV has to be really significant (or repeated) in
order
 to infect.

 This has been shown in virtually all FeLV vaccine Challenge studies
 involving adult cats.  It is MOST difficult to assess efficacy of an
FeLV
 vaccine when using adults as controls...because they just don't get
 infected.  Schering Plough has turned this into a 3-year guarantee
for
 their FeLV vaccine (a VERY reactive adjuvanted vaccine).  This is a
 'no-brainer'...obviously!  Fact is, ALL FeLV vaccines look good in the
 long run because of this natural resistance.

 This phenomenon is apparently related to T-cell maturity in the
individual
 cat and the interaction of those lymphocytes with specific epitopes of
 FeLV.

 The updated Feline Vaccination Guidelines are being written now.  This
 material will be included to more clearly point out this phenomenon.

 I do have a copy of the original paper...it goes back a number of
years
 now and was published in a virology journal...Richard Olsen (who
developed
 the first FeLV vaccine for Norden Laboratories) and Jennifer Royjko
(sp?)
 published the manuscript.  I don't have that paper with me...but will
try
 to dig this out and send the ref if you're really interested in
getting
 into that.

 RBFord

-- 
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

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Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv

yeah, what kerry said!

On 9/7/05, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Nina---is it possible you could also send us the original
 question (from Lisa)? I'd like to forward to my vet and anyone else I
 think might be interested/benefit. (I am also extremely interested.)
 Kerry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:03 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv
 
 
 if she finds the link/cite, PLEASE let us know!
 
 On 9/7/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello Everyone,
  I've been discussing resistance ratios of healthy adult cats to Felv
  with the vet that monitors my IBD list.  She just sent this to me this
  morning and knew you guys would be interested.
  Nina
 
  Lisa...this is a question that comes up quite frequently.
  The natural resistance to FeLV infection in cats older than 4 to 6
 months
  is very well established among feline retrovirologist.  While
  susceptibility to FIV remains constant throughout life, that simply is
 not
  the case with FeLV.  While it is NOT impossible to infect an adult
 cat,
  the inoculate of FeLV has to be really significant (or repeated) in
 order
  to infect.
 
  This has been shown in virtually all FeLV vaccine Challenge studies
  involving adult cats.  It is MOST difficult to assess efficacy of an
 FeLV
  vaccine when using adults as controls...because they just don't get
  infected.  Schering Plough has turned this into a 3-year guarantee
 for
  their FeLV vaccine (a VERY reactive adjuvanted vaccine).  This is a
  'no-brainer'...obviously!  Fact is, ALL FeLV vaccines look good in the
  long run because of this natural resistance.
 
  This phenomenon is apparently related to T-cell maturity in the
 individual
  cat and the interaction of those lymphocytes with specific epitopes of
  FeLV.
 
  The updated Feline Vaccination Guidelines are being written now.  This
  material will be included to more clearly point out this phenomenon.
 
  I do have a copy of the original paper...it goes back a number of
 years
  now and was published in a virology journal...Richard Olsen (who
 developed
  the first FeLV vaccine for Norden Laboratories) and Jennifer Royjko
 (sp?)
  published the manuscript.  I don't have that paper with me...but will
 try
  to dig this out and send the ref if you're really interested in
 getting
  into that.
 
  RBFord
 
 
 
 
 
 --
 MaryChristine
 
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 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ICQ: 289856892
 
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Re: Update on Princess Grace

Thank you so much Joan.  Live long and prosper is just the message 
I've been sending her lately.  The AC I spoke with yesterday gave me a 
real ah ha! kind of moment.  Btw, it's the same AC that Hideyo spoke 
to about her sweet Georgie.  Anyway, Jasmine was talking about how our 
fur kids pick up on our emotions, expectations, etc., (which I already 
believe in wholeheartedly), when it occurred to me, that I've been 
thinking about Grace as being doomed, even more so than the other 
kittens from her litter.  Well, she's already outlived 3 of them, so why 
was I persisting in my, while good intentioned concern, still negative 
projections?  I started telling her, you know Grace, you're a strong, 
powerful spirit and we have free will!  I've started to concentrate on 
her living a long and healthy life, instead of being mired in fear of 
her not.  I don't know if that's had anything to do with her improvement 
over the last couple of days, but I do know that she listens to her mother!

Nina

Doljan, Joan wrote:


Nina,

Sending healing vibes from us to the Princess.  May she live long and
prosper!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Update on Princess Grace


Grace and I could use your prayers and good vibrations.  She has been 
feeling poorly the last couple of months.  Usually when she feels crummy 
I put her on a round of Dox, and she feels better almost immediately.  
Not so, this time.  I put her on Dox and she didn't improve 
significantly.  I took her off of Dox and started the five day protocol 
of Virbagen Omega, (injections of feline interferon, 1x daily).  Again, 
she improved slightly, but not significantly.  After the 4th day, I 
stopped the VO and put her back on Dox.  She's been getting the Dox 
again for about a week, she continues to improve, but is still not 
herself.  I've also been giving her oral interferon (chasing the Dox 
pill with it), transfer factor, Lysine, Co-Q10 etc.  Her appetite is 
off, so I had to stop the supplements to get her to eat.  I'm going to 
try some transdermal Cyproheptadine to see if it helps her eat more.  
You may think I'm crazy, (so what's new?), but I talked to two different 
ACs that told me they did not think there were any tumors involved, or 
problems with any of her internal organs, just a feeling of general 
malaise.  I had an appointment with our Internist today, but Grace seems 
to have improved more in the last couple of days, so I canceled it.  It 
was a difficult decision to make.  Grace suffers greatly from the stress 
involved in a visit to the vet and knowing that there would be several 
different tests involved to determine what is going on with her...  
Well, I just decided not to put her through it.  There's been too many 
times that after the trauma and expense, nothing new has been learned.  
I don't feel completely confident in this decision, but if she doesn't 
continue to improve I can still bring her in later.  I'm waiting for a 
call from the vet to discuss a different antibiotic in case Grace has 
finally built a resistance to Doxycycline.  For heavens sake, we don't 
even know why Dox has worked for her!  Anyway, if you could take a 
moment to think of my Grace and wish her well, it would be greatly 
appreciated.

Nina

RE: Adult cat resistance to Felv

Which Kerry--me??? I'm cofnused again!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv

yeah, what kerry said!

On 9/7/05, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Nina---is it possible you could also send us the original
 question (from Lisa)? I'd like to forward to my vet and anyone else
I
 think might be interested/benefit. (I am also extremely interested.)
 Kerry

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:03 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv

 if she finds the link/cite, PLEASE let us know!

 On 9/7/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello Everyone,
  I've been discussing resistance ratios of healthy adult cats to Felv
  with the vet that monitors my IBD list.  She just sent this to me
this
  morning and knew you guys would be interested.
  Nina

  Lisa...this is a question that comes up quite frequently.
  The natural resistance to FeLV infection in cats older than 4 to 6
 months
  is very well established among feline retrovirologist.  While
  susceptibility to FIV remains constant throughout life, that simply
is
 not
  the case with FeLV.  While it is NOT impossible to infect an adult
 cat,
  the inoculate of FeLV has to be really significant (or repeated) in
 order
  to infect.

  This has been shown in virtually all FeLV vaccine Challenge studies
  involving adult cats.  It is MOST difficult to assess efficacy of an
 FeLV
  vaccine when using adults as controls...because they just don't get
  infected.  Schering Plough has turned this into a 3-year guarantee
 for
  their FeLV vaccine (a VERY reactive adjuvanted vaccine).  This is a
  'no-brainer'...obviously!  Fact is, ALL FeLV vaccines look good in
the
  long run because of this natural resistance.

  This phenomenon is apparently related to T-cell maturity in the
 individual
  cat and the interaction of those lymphocytes with specific epitopes
of
  FeLV.

  The updated Feline Vaccination Guidelines are being written now.
This
  material will be included to more clearly point out this phenomenon.

  I do have a copy of the original paper...it goes back a number of
 years
  now and was published in a virology journal...Richard Olsen (who
 developed
  the first FeLV vaccine for Norden Laboratories) and Jennifer Royjko
 (sp?)
  published the manuscript.  I don't have that paper with me...but
will
 try
  to dig this out and send the ref if you're really interested in
 getting
  into that.

  RBFord

 --
 MaryChristine

 AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ICQ: 289856892

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person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or
recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or
arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support
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Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv

I just heard from Lisa.  She asked me to remove the name of the person 
that sent her that message.  Oops, too late.  I sent it off to you guys 
almost as soon as I read it!  Lisa asked that if/when you forward it to 
anyone that you remove the name of the person that sent it to her.

Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:


Thanks Nina---is it possible you could also send us the original
question (from Lisa)? I'd like to forward to my vet and anyone else I
think might be interested/benefit. (I am also extremely interested.)
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv


if she finds the link/cite, PLEASE let us know!

On 9/7/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


Hello Everyone,
I've been discussing resistance ratios of healthy adult cats to Felv
with the vet that monitors my IBD list.  She just sent this to me this
morning and knew you guys would be interested.
Nina

Lisa...this is a question that comes up quite frequently.
The natural resistance to FeLV infection in cats older than 4 to 6
   


months
 


is very well established among feline retrovirologist.  While
susceptibility to FIV remains constant throughout life, that simply is
   


not
 


the case with FeLV.  While it is NOT impossible to infect an adult
   


cat,
 


the inoculate of FeLV has to be really significant (or repeated) in
   


order
 


to infect.

This has been shown in virtually all FeLV vaccine Challenge studies
involving adult cats.  It is MOST difficult to assess efficacy of an
   


FeLV
 


vaccine when using adults as controls...because they just don't get
infected.  Schering Plough has turned this into a 3-year guarantee
   


for
 


their FeLV vaccine (a VERY reactive adjuvanted vaccine).  This is a
'no-brainer'...obviously!  Fact is, ALL FeLV vaccines look good in the
long run because of this natural resistance.

This phenomenon is apparently related to T-cell maturity in the
   


individual
 


cat and the interaction of those lymphocytes with specific epitopes of
FeLV.

The updated Feline Vaccination Guidelines are being written now.  This
material will be included to more clearly point out this phenomenon.

I do have a copy of the original paper...it goes back a number of
   


years
 


now and was published in a virology journal...Richard Olsen (who
   


developed
 


the first FeLV vaccine for Norden Laboratories) and Jennifer Royjko
   


(sp?)
 


published the manuscript.  I don't have that paper with me...but will
   


try
 


to dig this out and send the ref if you're really interested in
   


getting
 


into that.

RBFord

Re: Update on Princess Grace

Thank you everyone for keeping Grace in your thoughts.  I spoke with my 
vet's office and they said that because I started the VO so soon after 
stopping the Dox, and then started the Dox the next day after stopping 
the VO, there would be no way to know what was helping Grace, even 
though I didn't give them simultaneously.  Since Grace is NOT part of a 
scientific experiment (!), I don't really care.  It would be nice to 
know if the darn VO is worth all the trouble and expense though!  I 
haven't heard back from the vet about trying a different antibiotic yet.

Nina

Terri Brown wrote:


Ditto from me!
 
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Travis, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and 
Alec =^..^=
 
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My Personal Page: 
http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350


- Original Message -
*From:* Doljan, Joan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:45 PM
*Subject:* RE: Update on Princess Grace

Nina,

Sending healing vibes from us to the Princess.  May she live long and
prosper!

Re: Geroge's passing




If you allow him to and ask him to he will come to you in 
your dreams and he will help you more than you can imagine. The feral ones 
are the greatest. They know and appreciate kindness because they have had 
to struggle through life. They are extremely strong spirits and are just 
so different than cats who have been raised by people. Ebony Thomas Katt 
was feral when he chose to move in with me (I didn't like cats but that didn't 
matter in the least). He picked me and for 16 years honored me by living 
with me.Kitty was also feral and so strong. People who are 
kind to ferals and are honored by their love are extremely lucky. I know I 
am. George has honored you in the greatest possible way. Take him up 
on his offer. 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Cherie A 
  Gabbert 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:24 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Geroge's passing
  
  Hideyo,
  I am really sorry to hear about George, my heart goes out to you.
  CherieHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  




Hi, my beloved George whom I 
rescued two month ago crossed the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored 
breathing for the past few days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time 
overcoming URI due to the compromised immune system from FIV  he had been 
so well, he had a very good appetite.. but he never could really gain 
weight. He was very jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, 
but he was doing so good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did 
not want to stress him out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did 
sense the his last days might have been approaching as I felt that it must 
have been painful to breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny 
regardless of his appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very 
inflamed, and was going to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see 
if I could give him predisone but he did not make it - 


I must have know that something 
was going to happen that morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that 
day..I was so nervous and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would 
go check the room and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get 
stressed more if I were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go 
back,, one time, I heard really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat 
the food from the plate.. so I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. 
so I did.. and an half hour later or an hour.. I went back into the room.. 
and I did not hear his breathing noise in the room.. I got so scared and I 
looked around..and called his name..and he was lying on the floor by 
the food plate with his eyes and mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held 
him he was still warm.. but he had passed already.. I cried and cried and 
held him, and I wrapped him with a blanket.. and put him on the table by the 
window. He looked so painful with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish 
that they werent.. but then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to 
visit George by the window in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. 
his eyes and mouth were completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked 
like he was just sleeping..with no more pain

I have lots of regrets for thing 
I have done or I havent done for George.. things that I would regret for 
the rest of my lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and 
things that I would never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my 
AC this morning and she talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, 
but I also feel very peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he 
said... he is a little sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked 
about a lot of things.. but at the end he told me that.. dont think that he 
is just a little helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is 
free, and he can be an advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to 
control every situation I encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant 
for..so anyway, he gave me some advise which I found very very helpful to 
continue my life..
George said that he would like 
to meet me again,, probably not in my life time I left the conversation, 
asking him that if he would talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him 
that I love him and will miss him very much. And at the end,, he told me 
that he loves me, too. George has been always a little feral boy.. and it 
meant the world to me to know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite 
spot in the garden.. the place he used to hang 
out

Thank for all the prayers you 
have given for George in the past now George has passed..please pray that 
George will be continue to be

Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv

yeah, you--i had just written to ask for the info before you did, so i
figured why repeat any more things! over and over and over and over.
repetitively.


On 9/7/05, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Which Kerry--me??? I'm cofnused again!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:16 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv
 
 
 yeah, what kerry said!
 
 On 9/7/05, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks Nina---is it possible you could also send us the original
  question (from Lisa)? I'd like to forward to my vet and anyone else
 I
  think might be interested/benefit. (I am also extremely interested.)
  Kerry
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:03 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv
 
 
  if she finds the link/cite, PLEASE let us know!
 
  On 9/7/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hello Everyone,
   I've been discussing resistance ratios of healthy adult cats to Felv
   with the vet that monitors my IBD list.  She just sent this to me
 this
   morning and knew you guys would be interested.
   Nina
  
   Lisa...this is a question that comes up quite frequently.
   The natural resistance to FeLV infection in cats older than 4 to 6
  months
   is very well established among feline retrovirologist.  While
   susceptibility to FIV remains constant throughout life, that simply
 is
  not
   the case with FeLV.  While it is NOT impossible to infect an adult
  cat,
   the inoculate of FeLV has to be really significant (or repeated) in
  order
   to infect.
  
   This has been shown in virtually all FeLV vaccine Challenge studies
   involving adult cats.  It is MOST difficult to assess efficacy of an
  FeLV
   vaccine when using adults as controls...because they just don't get
   infected.  Schering Plough has turned this into a 3-year guarantee
  for
   their FeLV vaccine (a VERY reactive adjuvanted vaccine).  This is a
   'no-brainer'...obviously!  Fact is, ALL FeLV vaccines look good in
 the
   long run because of this natural resistance.
  
   This phenomenon is apparently related to T-cell maturity in the
  individual
   cat and the interaction of those lymphocytes with specific epitopes
 of
   FeLV.
  
   The updated Feline Vaccination Guidelines are being written now.
 This
   material will be included to more clearly point out this phenomenon.
  
   I do have a copy of the original paper...it goes back a number of
  years
   now and was published in a virology journal...Richard Olsen (who
  developed
   the first FeLV vaccine for Norden Laboratories) and Jennifer Royjko
  (sp?)
   published the manuscript.  I don't have that paper with me...but
 will
  try
   to dig this out and send the ref if you're really interested in
  getting
   into that.
  
   RBFord
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: laser toy

Ebony and MiTu would sit on the stool in front of the TV when they wanted me
to play the video for them.  Ebony would wake me up, make sure I was awake
then sit on the stool so I understood exactly what he wanted.  They loved
the video and couldn't get enough.  I just had to make sure there was
nothing breakable on top of the TV.
- Original Message - 
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:26 PM
Subject: laser toy

 Glad someone mentioned the laser toy--I do use it occasionally because
 it's the one thing that never fails to get my 2 quarantined cats moving.
 But the reason I only use it occasionally is that I worry about the
 frustration element-they think there's something to catch but they can
 never succeed. Ditto those cat videos showing birds etc, with all the
 sound effects. I used to play them, but worried about the cats becoming
 depressed. I'd love to hear other opinions. Is there any reliable info
 out there on how chasing intangible objects affects cats? If I thought
 they were really ok, I'd use them more often. Kerry
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements

 I would be cautious in using laser pointers as toys -
 I know they love it and I bring mine out a couple
 times a year, but it can make some kitties go a little
 nuts.  One of the clinic cats where I take my boys
 lost it after having played with the laser toy and
 kept looking for the red dot to the point she was
 attacking other kitties.  No more lasers and she was
 on meds for a while but is OK now.  Just something to
 keep in mind!

 --- maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  My alternative vet recommends transfer factor and
  MacroForce for boosting the immune system.  The
  active ingredient in Macro Force is available in
  other brands.  This just happens to be the easiest
  to get in my area of the country.  She also uses
  laser (as has me use a regular laser pointer) on
  various points on the cat's body.  It acts sort of
  like acupuncture.  You would have to get someone to
  show you the points or try to figure it out from the
  internet.  Keep the light out of the eyes.  But
  enjoy running the light in circles around the cat.
  Mine love to chase the little red dot they can't
  catch.  For $20 it is a wonderful toy even if you
  can't figure the alternative med stuff out.   It
  stimulates their interest and gives them exercise
  that has to help their morale.
  - Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements

I do not think that any supplements will help with
  the anemia directly unless it is iron anemia, which
  is very rare in cats and probably is not the case
  with him.  I would put him on 500 mg per day of
  Lysine, split into two doses, and a multi-vitamin
  supplement (like Pet Tinic, which does have iron)
  and maybe switch on and off between echinacea and
  astragalus every week. I would mix them into baby
  food twice per day in small doses and let him eat
  them.  People also rave about Transfer Factor, which
  I have not tried yet, so maybe that as well. I would
  start with one at a time so if he does not want to
  eat the baby food you will know which supplement he
  does not like.
Michelle

 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely
 living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.
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Re: Geroge's passing




One more thing, check with George in a few weeks after he 
has had time to rest up. Bet he will tell you that you did everything just 
right and that it was his time to leave.but that you gave him love and 
security, not pain or fear, while he was with you. He may decide to come 
back to you in this lifetime of yours. You never know. Often, after 
they leave, they just need time to rest and adjust. It is very different 
"living" where you don't ever want for anything and where you are healthy and 
young.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:49 
  PM
  Subject: Geroge's passing
  
  
  Hi, my beloved George whom I 
  rescued two month ago crossed the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored 
  breathing for the past few days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time 
  overcoming URI due to the compromised immune system from FIV  he had been so 
  well, he had a very good appetite.. but he never could really gain weight. 
  He was very jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he 
  was doing so good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to 
  stress him out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his 
  last days might have been approaching as I felt that it must have been painful 
  to breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny regardless of his 
  appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was going to 
  call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give him 
  predisone but he did not make it - 
  
  I must have know that something 
  was going to happen that morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that 
  day..I was so nervous and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would go 
  check the room and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get 
  stressed more if I were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, 
  one time, I heard really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food 
  from the plate.. so I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. 
  and an half hour later or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not 
  hear his breathing noise in the room.. I got so scared and I looked 
  around..and called his name..and he was lying on the floor by the food 
  plate with his eyes and mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him he 
  was still warm.. but he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, 
  and I wrapped him with a blanket.. and put him on the table by the window. He 
  looked so painful with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they 
  werent.. but then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit 
  George by the window in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his 
  eyes and mouth were completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked like 
  he was just sleeping..with no more pain
  
  I have lots of regrets for thing I 
  have done or I havent done for George.. things that I would regret for the 
  rest of my lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and things that 
  I would never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this 
  morning and she talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I 
  also feel very peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he said... 
  he is a little sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked about a lot 
  of things.. but at the end he told me that.. dont think that he is just a 
  little helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he 
  can be an advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to control every 
  situation I encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant for..so anyway, he 
  gave me some advise which I found very very helpful to continue my 
  life..
  George said that he would like to 
  meet me again,, probably not in my life time I left the conversation, asking 
  him that if he would talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I 
  love him and will miss him very much. And at the end,, he told me that he 
  loves me, too. George has been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the 
  world to me to know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite spot in the 
  garden.. the place he used to hang out
  
  Thank for all the prayers you have 
  given for George in the past now George has passed..please pray that George 
  will be continue to be happy, and continue to have a good life and that some 
  dayI will meet him soon.
  
  Hideyo

RE: Geroge's passing









Thank you again for your kind words..

I know what you mean about feral! I
love feral  but at the same time.. I love all the cats.. I am just a
sucker and thats why I ended up with so many.. but they brighten my day
every day when I wake up.. I am just lucky to have met all of them..











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of maimaipg
Sent: Wednesday, September 07,
2005 2:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Geroge's passing







If you allow him to and ask him to he will come to you in
your dreams and he will help you more than you can imagine. The feral
ones are the greatest. They know and appreciate kindness because they
have had to struggle through life. They are extremely strong spirits and
are just so different than cats who have been raised by people. Ebony
Thomas Katt was feral when he chose to move in with me (I didn't like cats but
that didn't matter in the least). He picked me and for 16 years honored
me by living with me.Kitty was also feral and so strong.
People who are kind to ferals and are honored by their love are extremely
lucky. I know I am. George has honored you in the greatest possible
way. Take him up on his offer. 





- Original Message - 







From: Cherie A
Gabbert 





To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org






Sent: Wednesday,
September 07, 2005 1:24 PM





Subject: Re: Geroge's
passing











Hideyo,





I am really sorry to hear about George, my heart goes out to you.





Cherie

Hideyo
 Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:





Hi, my beloved George whom I rescued two month ago crossed
the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored breathing for the past few
days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time overcoming URI due to the
compromised immune system from FIV  he had been so well, he had a very
good appetite.. but he never could really gain weight. He was very
jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he was doing so
good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to stress him
out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his last
days might have been approaching as I felt that it must have been painful to
breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny regardless of his
appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was going
to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give him
predisone but he did not make it - 



I must have know that something was going to happen that
morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that day..I was so nervous
and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would go check the room
and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get stressed more if I
were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, one time, I heard
really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food from the plate.. so
I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. and an half hour later
or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not hear his breathing noise
in the room.. I got so scared and I looked around..and called his name..and
he was lying on the floor by the food plate with his eyes and mouth
open.. and I ran over to him and held him he was still warm.. but he had
passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, and I wrapped him with a
blanket.. and put him on the table by the window. He looked so painful
with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they werent.. but
then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit George by the window
in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his eyes and mouth were
completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked like he was just
sleeping..with no more pain



I have lots of regrets for thing I have done or I
havent done for George.. things that I would regret for the rest of my
lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and things that I would
never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this morning and she
talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I also feel very
peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he said... he is a little
sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked about a lot of things.. but
at the end he told me that.. dont think that he is just a little
helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he can be an
advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to control every situation I
encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant for..so anyway, he gave me
some advise which I found very very helpful to continue my life..

George said that he would like to meet me again,, probably
not in my life time I left the conversation, asking him that if he would
talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I love him and will miss
him very much. And at the end,, he told me that he loves me, too.
George has been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the world to me to
know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite spot in the

RE: Adult cat resistance to Felv

Sorry--I'm still confused! I still don't know what the original Q was. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 4:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv

yeah, you--i had just written to ask for the info before you did, so i
figured why repeat any more things! over and over and over and over.
repetitively.

On 9/7/05, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Which Kerry--me??? I'm cofnused again!

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:16 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv

 yeah, what kerry said!

 On 9/7/05, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks Nina---is it possible you could also send us the original
  question (from Lisa)? I'd like to forward to my vet and anyone
else
 I
  think might be interested/benefit. (I am also extremely interested.)
  Kerry

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
TenHouseCats
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:03 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv

  if she finds the link/cite, PLEASE let us know!

  On 9/7/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hello Everyone,
   I've been discussing resistance ratios of healthy adult cats to
Felv
   with the vet that monitors my IBD list.  She just sent this to me
 this
   morning and knew you guys would be interested.
   Nina

   Lisa...this is a question that comes up quite frequently.
   The natural resistance to FeLV infection in cats older than 4 to 6
  months
   is very well established among feline retrovirologist.  While
   susceptibility to FIV remains constant throughout life, that
simply
 is
  not
   the case with FeLV.  While it is NOT impossible to infect an adult
  cat,
   the inoculate of FeLV has to be really significant (or repeated)
in
  order
   to infect.

   This has been shown in virtually all FeLV vaccine Challenge
studies
   involving adult cats.  It is MOST difficult to assess efficacy of
an
  FeLV
   vaccine when using adults as controls...because they just don't
get
   infected.  Schering Plough has turned this into a 3-year
guarantee
  for
   their FeLV vaccine (a VERY reactive adjuvanted vaccine).  This is
a
   'no-brainer'...obviously!  Fact is, ALL FeLV vaccines look good in
 the
   long run because of this natural resistance.

   This phenomenon is apparently related to T-cell maturity in the
  individual
   cat and the interaction of those lymphocytes with specific
epitopes
 of
   FeLV.

   The updated Feline Vaccination Guidelines are being written now.
 This
   material will be included to more clearly point out this
phenomenon.

   I do have a copy of the original paper...it goes back a number of
  years
   now and was published in a virology journal...Richard Olsen (who
  developed
   the first FeLV vaccine for Norden Laboratories) and Jennifer
Royjko
  (sp?)
   published the manuscript.  I don't have that paper with me...but
 will
  try
   to dig this out and send the ref if you're really interested in
  getting
   into that.

   RBFord

  --
  MaryChristine

  AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
  MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ICQ: 289856892

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 avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any
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RE: Geroge's passing









I hope I can meet him sooner than this
life timebut either way,,, as long as I can talk to him, he doesnt
seem too far way.. doesnt it?I will ask Jasmine to talk to him
again in a few weeks though as you suggested to see how he is doingthank
you!!











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of maimaipg
Sent: Wednesday, September 07,
2005 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Geroge's passing







One more thing, check with George in a few weeks after he
has had time to rest up. Bet he will tell you that you did everything
just right and that it was his time to leave.but that you gave him love and
security, not pain or fear, while he was with you. He may decide to come
back to you in this lifetime of yours. You never know. Often, after
they leave, they just need time to rest and adjust. It is very different
living where you don't ever want for anything and where you are
healthy and young.







- Original Message - 





From: Hideyo Yamamoto 





To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org






Sent: Wednesday,
September 07, 2005 12:49 PM





Subject: Geroge's passing









Hi, my beloved George whom I rescued two month ago crossed
the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored breathing for the past few
days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time overcoming URI due to the
compromised immune system from FIV  he had been so well, he had a very
good appetite.. but he never could really gain weight. He was very
jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he was doing so
good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to stress him
out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his last
days might have been approaching as I felt that it must have been painful to
breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny regardless of his
appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was going
to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give him
predisone but he did not make it - 



I must have know that something was going to happen that
morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that day..I was so nervous
and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would go check the room
and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get stressed more if I
were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, one time, I heard
really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food from the plate.. so
I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. and an half hour later
or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not hear his breathing noise
in the room.. I got so scared and I looked around..and called his
name..and he was lying on the floor by the food plate with his eyes and
mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him he was still warm.. but
he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, and I wrapped him with
a blanket.. and put him on the table by the window. He looked so painful
with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they werent.. but
then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit George by the window
in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his eyes and mouth were
completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked like he was just
sleeping..with no more pain



I have lots of regrets for thing I have done or I
havent done for George.. things that I would regret for the rest of my
lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and things that I would
never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this morning and she
talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I also feel very
peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he said... he is a little
sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked about a lot of things.. but
at the end he told me that.. dont think that he is just a little
helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he can be an
advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to control every situation I
encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant for..so anyway, he gave me
some advise which I found very very helpful to continue my life..

George said that he would like to meet me again,, probably
not in my life time I left the conversation, asking him that if he would
talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I love him and will miss
him very much. And at the end,, he told me that he loves me, too.
George has been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the world to me to
know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite spot in the garden..
the place he used to hang out



Thank for all the prayers you have given for George in the
past now George has passed..please pray that George will be continue to
be happy, and continue to have a good life and that some dayI will meet
him soon.



Hideyo

Re: laser toy

don't ever forget that THEY get a huge kick out of watching us make
total fools of ourselves tossing toys around, ending up chasing them
ourselves, flying silly feathered toys around--i SWEAR they sit and
talk about absolutely ridiculous their humans are. i think they play
with some of the toys just to keep US amused (wouldn't want the
feeders to get too bored, now would we?)


-- 
MaryChristine

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MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Update on Princess Grace

2005-09-07 Thread Lernermichelle



Nina, I think at this point I would try Immuno-regulin. The woman who runs the shelter my cats come from uses it frequently and says it helps about half the time, and that she has never noticed any side effects. While Ginger had side effects, they were only about an hour long and in the end I am glad I gave it to her because she improved immediately afterwards. Side effects are supposed to be pretty rare.
Michelle

Re: URGENT

2005-09-07 Thread Feb274eva




http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html 
Thank you

RE: Adult cat resistance to Felv

This is interesting, but is also consistent with literatures I have read
about this virus in the past - it says something like, over 75% of cats
are exposed to FeLV virus, and the majority of them simply do not get
infected due to the natural resistance they have built into already
(unless their immune system is already very compromised) - of course,
kittens will be a little bit more susceptible due to their premature
immune system..but still this is encouraging..

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Adult cat resistance to Felv

Hello Everyone,
I've been discussing resistance ratios of healthy adult cats to Felv 
with the vet that monitors my IBD list.  She just sent this to me this 
morning and knew you guys would be interested.
Nina

Lisa...this is a question that comes up quite frequently.
The natural resistance to FeLV infection in cats older than 4 to 6
months
is very well established among feline retrovirologist.  While
susceptibility to FIV remains constant throughout life, that simply is
not
the case with FeLV.  While it is NOT impossible to infect an adult cat,
the inoculate of FeLV has to be really significant (or repeated) in
order
to infect.

This has been shown in virtually all FeLV vaccine Challenge studies
involving adult cats.  It is MOST difficult to assess efficacy of an
FeLV
vaccine when using adults as controls...because they just don't get
infected.  Schering Plough has turned this into a 3-year guarantee for
their FeLV vaccine (a VERY reactive adjuvanted vaccine).  This is a
'no-brainer'...obviously!  Fact is, ALL FeLV vaccines look good in the
long run because of this natural resistance.

This phenomenon is apparently related to T-cell maturity in the
individual
cat and the interaction of those lymphocytes with specific epitopes of
FeLV.

The updated Feline Vaccination Guidelines are being written now.  This
material will be included to more clearly point out this phenomenon.

I do have a copy of the original paper...it goes back a number of years
now and was published in a virology journal...Richard Olsen (who
developed
the first FeLV vaccine for Norden Laboratories) and Jennifer Royjko
(sp?)
published the manuscript.  I don't have that paper with me...but will
try
to dig this out and send the ref if you're really interested in getting
into that.

RBFord

Re: Geroge's passing




You can talk to him yourself when you are ready. 
Just still your soul and focus on what a magnificent cat he is (not was--he has 
just changed forms) and ask him to talk to you. I went thru this process 
with a wonderful dog, Mai Mai. She left almost 4 years ago and we are 
together a lot, especially when things get rough. When I ask her, she even 
helps out-cats. You have to be ready though. Your AC may be 
able to help you prepare for this wonderful journey. Just remember that 
everything is not as it seems and not everything can be explained 
logically. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:48 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Geroge's passing
  
  
  I hope I can meet him 
  sooner than this life timebut either way,,, as long as I can talk to him, he 
  doesnt seem too far way.. doesnt it?I will ask Jasmine to talk to him again 
  in a few weeks though as you suggested to see how he is doingthank 
  you!!
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maimaipgSent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:38 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Geroge's 
  passing
  
  
  One more thing, check with George 
  in a few weeks after he has had time to rest up. Bet he will tell you 
  that you did everything just right and that it was his time to leave.but 
  that you gave him love and security, not pain or fear, while he was with 
  you. He may decide to come back to you in this lifetime of yours. 
  You never know. Often, after they leave, they just need time to rest and 
  adjust. It is very different "living" where you don't ever want for 
  anything and where you are healthy and 
  young.
  

- Original Message - 


From: Hideyo Yamamoto 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 


Sent: 
Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:49 PM

Subject: 
Geroge's passing


Hi, my beloved George whom I 
rescued two month ago crossed the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored 
breathing for the past few days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time 
overcoming URI due to the compromised immune system from FIV  he had been 
so well, he had a very good appetite.. but he never could really gain 
weight. He was very jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, 
but he was doing so good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did 
not want to stress him out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did 
sense the his last days might have been approaching as I felt that it must 
have been painful to breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny 
regardless of his appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very 
inflamed, and was going to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see 
if I could give him predisone but he did not make it - 


I must have know that something 
was going to happen that morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that 
day..I was so nervous and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would 
go check the room and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get 
stressed more if I were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go 
back,, one time, I heard really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat 
the food from the plate.. so I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. 
so I did.. and an half hour later or an hour.. I went back into the room.. 
and I did not hear his breathing noise in the room.. I got so scared and I 
looked around..and called his name..and he was lying on the floor by 
the food plate with his eyes and mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held 
him he was still warm.. but he had passed already.. I cried and cried and 
held him, and I wrapped him with a blanket.. and put him on the table by the 
window. He looked so painful with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish 
that they werent.. but then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to 
visit George by the window in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. 
his eyes and mouth were completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked 
like he was just sleeping..with no more pain

I have lots of regrets for thing 
I have done or I havent done for George.. things that I would regret for 
the rest of my lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and 
things that I would never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my 
AC this morning and she talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, 
but I also feel very peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he 
said... he is a little sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked 
about a lot of things.. but at the end he told me that.. dont think that he 
is just a little helpless cat,, he is much more..

Re: laser toy

Totally true.  Kitty told some ACs that she played with the red dot to amuse
me and take my mind off various troubles.
- Original Message - 
From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: laser toy

 don't ever forget that THEY get a huge kick out of watching us make
 total fools of ourselves tossing toys around, ending up chasing them
 ourselves, flying silly feathered toys around--i SWEAR they sit and
 talk about absolutely ridiculous their humans are. i think they play
 with some of the toys just to keep US amused (wouldn't want the
 feeders to get too bored, now would we?)

 -- 
 MaryChristine

 AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ICQ: 289856892

RE: Geroge's passing









Really? I would so much love to talk to him
myself.. but I dont know if I can.. 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of maimaipg
Sent: Wednesday, September 07,
2005 4:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Geroge's passing







You can talk to him yourself when you are ready. Just
still your soul and focus on what a magnificent cat he is (not was--he has just
changed forms) and ask him to talk to you. I went thru this process with
a wonderful dog, Mai Mai. She left almost 4 years ago and we are together
a lot, especially when things get rough. When I ask her, she even helps
out-cats. You have to be ready though. Your AC may be able
to help you prepare for this wonderful journey. Just remember that
everything is not as it seems and not everything can be explained
logically. 













- Original Message - 





From: Hideyo Yamamoto 





To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org






Sent: Wednesday,
September 07, 2005 5:48 PM





Subject: RE: Geroge's
passing









I hope I can meet him sooner than this
life timebut either way,,, as long as I can talk to him, he
doesnt seem too far way.. doesnt it?I will ask Jasmine to
talk to him again in a few weeks though as you suggested to see how he is
doingthank you!!











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of maimaipg
Sent: Wednesday, September 07,
2005 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Geroge's passing







One more thing, check with George in a few weeks after he
has had time to rest up. Bet he will tell you that you did everything
just right and that it was his time to leave.but that you gave him love and
security, not pain or fear, while he was with you. He may decide to come
back to you in this lifetime of yours. You never know. Often, after
they leave, they just need time to rest and adjust. It is very different
living where you don't ever want for anything and where you are
healthy and young.







- Original Message - 





From: Hideyo Yamamoto 





To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org






Sent: Wednesday,
September 07, 2005 12:49 PM





Subject: Geroge's passing









Hi, my beloved George whom I rescued two month ago crossed
the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored breathing for the past few
days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time overcoming URI due to the
compromised immune system from FIV  he had been so well, he had a very
good appetite.. but he never could really gain weight. He was very
jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he was doing so good..though,,
Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to stress him out taking him to
a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his last days might have
been approaching as I felt that it must have been painful to breath so
heavily.. and he was getting so skinny regardless of his
appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was going
to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give him
predisone but he did not make it - 



I must have know that something was going to happen that
morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that day..I was so nervous
and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would go check the room
and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get stressed more if I
were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, one time, I heard
really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food from the plate.. so
I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. and an half hour later
or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not hear his breathing noise
in the room.. I got so scared and I looked around..and called his
name..and he was lying on the floor by the food plate with his eyes and
mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him he was still warm.. but
he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, and I wrapped him with
a blanket.. and put him on the table by the window. He looked so painful
with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they werent.. but
then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit George by the window
in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his eyes and mouth were
completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked like he was just
sleeping..with no more pain



I have lots of regrets for thing I have done or I
havent done for George.. things that I would regret for the rest of my
lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and things that I would
never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this morning and she
talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I also feel very
peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he said... he is a little
sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked about a lot of things.. but
at the end he told me that.. dont think that he is just a little
helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he

Re: Geroge's passing




You can. Honest. But you have to give yourself 
time to recover. I didn't believe I could talk to Mai Mai but I 
do.I understand why she had to leave and how much she loves me and she 
knows how much I love her. When it came time for Kitty to come live 
with me (she lived with my parents until my father died and then --several years 
later--Mom didn't feel she could take care of her) I asked Mai Mai, in total 
desperation, to help Kitty adjust. Kitty didn't want to live with me at 
all and hid under the couches for almost 3 months before she came out. My 
AC told me I was frightening to her. I slept on the floor with her for so 
very long, as I had with Mai Mai during an extended 
illness--everything I could think of to get her to adjust. Mai 
Mai came thru like you would not believe. Kitty had clawed her big time 
when she (a feral) moved in with my parents so Mai Mai was not fond of her at 
all. She still helloed Kitty adjust. She has been close to me every 
day and will come back to me soon. You have to accept the fact that you 
can not explain everything--that there are things much greater than you and your 
understanding but that they do exist. Talk to your AC and see if she can 
help you. Mine did. Feel him near you. He is there. It 
is too soon for you to accept this. Ask him to send you a sign when you 
have the AC talk with him again or ask him yourself in a little while--when you 
are ready. Animal communicationsis not for a select few. It is 
for those with open, willing hearts. You obviously have such a heart or 
you would not have cared for this wonderful soul. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:13 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Geroge's passing
  
  
  Really? I would 
  so much love to talk to him myself.. but I dont know if I can.. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maimaipgSent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 4:05 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Geroge's 
  passing
  
  
  You can talk to him yourself when 
  you are ready. Just still your soul and focus on what a magnificent cat 
  he is (not was--he has just changed forms) and ask him to talk to you. I 
  went thru this process with a wonderful dog, Mai Mai. She left almost 4 
  years ago and we are together a lot, especially when things get rough. 
  When I ask her, she even helps out-cats. You have to be ready 
  though. Your AC may be able to help you prepare for this wonderful 
  journey. Just remember that everything is not as it seems and not 
  everything can be explained logically. 
  
  
  
  

- Original Message - 


From: Hideyo Yamamoto 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 


Sent: 
Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:48 PM

Subject: RE: 
Geroge's passing


I hope I can meet 
him sooner than this life timebut either way,,, as long as I can talk to 
him, he doesnt seem too far way.. doesnt it?I will ask Jasmine to talk to 
him again in a few weeks though as you suggested to see how he is 
doingthank you!!





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maimaipgSent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 
2:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Geroge's 
passing


One more thing, check with 
George in a few weeks after he has had time to rest up. Bet he will 
tell you that you did everything just right and that it was his time to 
leave.but that you gave him love and security, not pain or fear, while 
he was with you. He may decide to come back to you in this lifetime of 
yours. You never know. Often, after they leave, they just need 
time to rest and adjust. It is very different "living" where you don't 
ever want for anything and where you are healthy and 
young.

  
  - Original Message - 
  
  
  From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
  
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  
  Sent: 
  Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:49 PM
  
  Subject: 
  Geroge's passing
  
  
  Hi, my beloved George whom I 
  rescued two month ago crossed the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored 
  breathing for the past few days, the vet felt that he was having a hard 
  time overcoming URI due to the compromised immune system from FIV  he had 
  been so well, he had a very good appetite.. but he never could really gain 
  weight. He was very jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go 
  away,, but he was doing so good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I 
  really did not want to stress him out taking him to a vet all the 
  time..though. I did sense the his last days might have been approaching 
  as I felt that it must have been painful to breath so

Re: Adult cat resistance to Felv

Lisa had brought up on my IBD list that adult cats are not susceptible 
to Felv the way kittens are.  Well, most of us on this list already know 
that, but the way she put it made it sound like she had a study to back 
it up.  When I asked her she told me that it had come up at a vet 
conference and she would ask someone for substantiation. 
Nina


MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

Sorry--I'm still confused! I still don't know what the original Q was.

Re: Update on Princess Grace