Re: New Member
No cat diseases are transmittable to dogs, and if he HAS rabies, he's going to rapidly become sick and die within the next day or two, so it's likely he doesn't have that! However, I should mention that rabies vaccines are REQUIRED in most states, and it's illegal not to have them done. If you don't live in the city, you may be able to get around that though. I only vaccinate for rabies now (not any other vaccines), and only that once every 3 years. Good diet brings immunity, not vaccines, IMO. This website explains it very well, though it's speaking of HUMAN vaccines and immunity, it carries over to cats as well (vaccines and immunity is vaccines and immunity, regardless of species). http://vaclib.org/intro/present/overview.htm Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 11/20/2005
Re: New Member
In a message dated 11/22/05 3:03:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No cat diseases are transmittable to dogs, Ringworm - Zoonatic(sp?), can be transferred from one species to another, nasty little fungus spores. ***Although ringworm isn't considered a common condition/disease, I just read last week that ringworm has been reported to be seenin increasingly higher numbers reported in the last few years. In fact - get ready for this one, They have now introduced a Vaccine for Ringworm, available for DOGS CATS!! Makes me shudder!!! Anyone remember the Pro-Heart 6 vaccine, the six month injectable (marketed as NEW WONDER DRUG!!), for Heartworm Preventative?? How many dogs died before the FDA finally intervened and it was yanked off market?? BIG PHARMAsure does a great job brainwashing people when it comes to "marketing" their latest "miracles", huh?? It's so frustrating ~ Patti
Re: New Member
There are some Vegans out there that don't seem to have health problems feeding their cats vegan diets, but I'm not too sure it's really a GOOD thing to do to a cat, being, like you said, carnivores themselves. I definitely would not want to press my luck with turning a FELV+ cat vegan, it's just not healthy for any cat, much less a immune compromised one. That being said, I think you're right on target with that aspect. A/D is a food commonly prescribed to sick cats to get something into them, or for cats that have been off food, because it is bland and doesn't upset their stomachs. If he's not sick, I see no reason to feed it. It's diet food, and expensive for you to buy at your vet's office, I am sure (which may be part of why they are selling it to you). Many of the premium brands make canned as well as dry food. I feed dry kibble free choice 24/7 in a autofeeder. It holds a gallon of kibble at once, so they never run out. I feed canned food as a treat only, because my cats are all fat (or tend towards it). If you are vegan, it's likely that you've been in a few natural food stores or co-ops. Many of those sell the good quality premium cat foods, such as Innova. I know my local co-op sells it here, and they cater to vegan/vegetarian/all natural types of people. One thing you should know about cats in general: Watch your choice of toys. String, yarn, and ribbon are all potentially deadly toys. If the cat (or your dogs even) eats it, it can get twisted up in the intestine, and cause it to tie up, and that's quite deadly. Put any string type toys away in a safe drawer when not actively playing with your cat with them, never let them chew on it on their own. I've also had cats grab for a bell and get their claw into the little hole, and then slide down into the slot where it narrows, and get their claw trapped in it. It's not harmful really, but it freaks them out, and makes them panic, and could cause them to hurt themselves trying to get it off (or cause you to hurt him trying to get it off of him). I remove bells from toys that come with bells and throw them in the trash now. You can buy all kinds of cool (and safe) cat toys online here: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/NavResults.cfm?N=2002+2011 One of my cat's favorite toys are the plastic seal rings off of gallons of milk, sunny delight, and frozen concentrated orange juice. Yes, the little plastic things that show it hasn't been previously opened! They also like the furry mice with feather tails, but being vegan, that might be a bit too dead animal product for you (being fur and feathers). Wadded up balls of aluminum foil to make 1 inch balls also seems to be a good homemade toy. And, the all time grossest homemade cat toy: hairballs. Human hairballs, that is. Get all your and your roommates hairbrushes (assuming you have longer hair), and clean all the loose hair out of them, wad it up into the palm of your hand, add a little bit of spit, and rub your hands together in a circle like you are trying to warm them up until it wads up into a tight little ball. Man, they LOVE hairballs. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 11/20/2005
Re: need advise: diet for liver problem kitties
No, ultrasound does not hurt at all. They shave the area and put some gel on it and then just hold the wand of the ultrasound machine on the area. No skin is broken or anything. Cats are not crazy about it because they have to be shaved and held in a funny position for a few minutes, but that's it. Michelle P.S. The other good liver support is milk thistle. In a message dated 11/21/2005 4:10:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don’t think it is FIP – I cannot be sure 100%, but from the blood work, it seems that it’s one of the other liver diseases you mentioned. Will ultrasound hurt the kitty? I never have done it before.
Re: Cardiomyapathy leg paralysis
My Snowball died from this, but my mom's cat Arthur lived about 2 years after throwing a clot-- he regained some but not all function in his back legs. He died 2 years later of it, but he was also 17 years old. Michelle In a message dated 11/21/2005 4:40:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there anyone on this list with the experience of cardiomyopathy and leg paralysis? Is there a group ... do you know the addy? Sweet Sam is 6 years old and this morning threw a clot ... he's at the vet for heparin therapy ... prognosis never good with this. Del
Fwd: Felv+ cat wanted
Didn't see this forwarded from the [FeLVPositiveCats] list - wanted to make sure it got out on the list - rescuer has space for an FELV kitty in New York. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin forwarded message: From: katjam4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: November 21, 2005 7:34:54 PM CST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] Felv+ cat wanted Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know of someone who recently lost one of her Felv+ cats and is looking for another to keep her remaining + cat company. Male between 1- 4 yrs old preferred and must get along with other cats. This lady is a rescuer and has other cats in the house, but her felv+ cats are kept in a seperate room. She lives in Port Washington NY (Long Island) and doesn't travel. If you know of a felv+ on Long Island that needs a home, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will forward the info to her.
Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
Just getting back to reading some of the msgs, Nina - Thanks so much - I like the part about keeping our heads and educating, I know what you mean. Regarding kitten deaths - certainly I don't know, but I do know that I've had my share of deaths in the fall, and I think part of that is the dryness of the weather contributing to the illness. I've had several deaths in Oct-Nov-Dec, where I just couldn't keep them hydrated. On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Nina wrote: Gloria, It just sucks. You go ahead and rant against injustice and suffering! My ex-husband just called me recently to tell me about a kitten he adopted from someone that found her on the street. Well, long story short, the kind hearted lug has ended up spending over $3000 bucks on a heart operation to save her life! You can imagine the tirade and pleas that came out of my mouth when in the same breath he told me he was considering declawing her because she was going to be an inside-only cat! He was completely clueless about the horrors of such treatment. By the time I took a breath, I'd convinced him that NO cat should ever be declawed. People are so ignorant sometimes, it's up to us to keep our heads and do our best to educate them, some of them do listen. Once again my sympathies, I was really pulling for you and Lance. Tell Sue I'm sorry about Carla too. What's going on with all the kitten deaths lately? It's so sad, I rarely wear makeup, if I did, it would always be running all over my face with all the tears I've shed lately. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Nina - I still have way too many words about it - like DARN why did they declaw that young kitten and let him out and so forth... And why couldn't I find out what was wrong. Life is so imperfect seeming, sometimes. Sigh, Gloria
Re: New Member
Hi Rebecca, that's so wonderful that you found Brooklyn, or rather he found you! Just wanted to send a short note to say check into giving him interferon - it's low-dose oral interferon. After my first losses of my dear FELV cats, I started giving them interferon as a way of enhancing the immune system. Now since Brooklyn is a kitten, he could possibly at some point go negative for FELV. Not necessarily but possibly. But as long as he's FELV+, interferon may help modulate his immune system and not get sick. You can get it from a vet, or order form islandpharmacy.com - there are a variety of prices from vets - ranging from expensive to cheap, so shop around. The vet I go to here in Arkansas charges $65 for a small bottle. I found another vet who sells it for $15 for a whole lot of it. Check out Tally's web site - about 3/4 down on the page she has links on interferon - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/stomatitis.html I'm a vegetarian, btw - was vegan at one time with vegan dogs. Anyhow - welcome - glad you're here! Gloria in Arkansas On Nov 22, 2005, at 12:47 AM, veggiepugs wrote: Wow, everyone is so welcoming and wonderful here. thank you so much. More about my kittyman...His name is Brooklyn P. O'Malley officially. LOL. My boyfriend named him Brooklyn because it's a very very special place to us, the P stands for Putty tat (doh) and O'Malley because he's got orange fur...makes me think of an irish red-head. LOL. I found him outside my office on Thursday and he very willingly came into my arms and into my life. He walked into my house like he owned the place. lol. Went right up to the dogs and marked them as his rubbing his face all over them. My dog Lucy didn't know what to make of it, she kind of looked as if she were saying ohmygod what is this!! she kind of had a help me mom! look in her eyes. My boy Linus wanted to play with Brooklyn and started doing the doggy play bow at him and barking at him to instigate him to play. Brooklyn wasn't startled by him in the least and just looked at Linus as if to say And that means what exactly? How silly you look. LOL. He is absolutely FAN-tastic. Beautiful, sweet, personable, smart, vocal aad hysterically funny. He rolls around, acts silly (a big personality plus for me, I LOVE silly...lol) he even played with a toy I made him...all it is, is a string with a bell tied to the end, he loves it! So cute the way they bat it with their paws. I'm so excited about him because I have never lived with a cat before or known any very intimately. This is an experience for me and a wonderful one at that. I am sad to know he is sick but he is doing so well. Looking at him and observing his behavior, he appears as a perfectly healthy and normal cat. He has a RAVENOUS appetite and has gained some weight already. His belly looks nice and full. lol. His age has been guesstimated at about 5. He is not a kitten. I would definitely like to know more about feeding him. Right now I have him on feline a/d by hill's science diet (which isn't one of my favorite food companies but...the vets office gave it to me to fatten him up) and some kibble which they told me to have out all day for him. Is that right? I am a VERY serious guardian (don't use the word owner either Nina...I just can't...lol) about my animals. They are my children, my family and my life. It's just us here in my cozy apartment and we live very happily together. (my goodness I love animals...lol) I also have 2 rabbits, which Brooklyn hasn't bothered at all. I do all my research and have always found that having others to talk with has been one of the greatest helps. I'm so glad I joined here. I read up on everything and always take my animals to the vet at the sign of even a sniffle. My animals are VERY important to me and no less so than any human's life (in fact more so thatn SOME humans I know...lol) This is a hot topic whenever I bring it up, and I always hesitate to do so, but I want to put it out there. I am a vegan and my dogs are also on a vegan diet for almost 4 years now, vet supervised and are doing fantastically. I am always open for discussion on it, as long as it's not offensive. I don't push others to my ideas, I do it for my own reasons, so I'll never discuss it here other than mentioning it in this email. I however, I want to stress that I do NOT intend to try and change Brooklyn to such a diet at any point. He is too fragile for that, and cats, being obligate carnivores to begin with are very difficult to adjust to that kind of diet. (Most vegans would disagree with my decision, but I'm a whole different breed. LOL). So, he's the only meat eater in this house, and his health comes first. SO, that being said, please offer me any suggestions on diets, foods what I should feed him, supplements and what dosages I should be giving him. I will do whatever I must to get him healthy,
Re: New Member
Jenn you are so funny with the hairball stuff...lol. I like how you forewarned me before telling me what it was. LOL. Patti, that's so cool to meet another Vegan here! I've been kicked off lists for just being one, there are some who I have found to be very intolerant of it. That's why I was hesitant to mention it, but wanted to get it out there. Wow you grew up in Brooklyn? What part? No, you are not overwhelming me with information I am SO grateful to have this resource. Brooklyn certainly doesn't have ringworm because I don't see any hairloss anywhere. I have been from vet, to vet, to vet and so on...for my animals, because I am VERY picky about them and rightly so. I had a huge bone to pick with my last vet because she gave my dogs a vaccine I didn't approve of when we had just discussed my concern over certain vaccines. She said it was included in the shot she gave them and apologized, but still! Other vets have just been plain NON receptive to having discussions with me about my concerns. I happen to think I'm a very knowledgeable guardian or at least I try to be, but he treated me like I wasn't worth talking to because either A. He thought I couldn't possibly understand or B. Because he didn't want to take the time. Either way, didn't like it and left him. Moved on to a holistic vet. Now he's pretty great, I use him when I need that type of advice, but for routine exams and visits I go to another vet. Holistic vet is VERY pricey. Great vet though. I switched to a practice near my home where there are several vets to choose from who have great reputations. Their scope of practice is also not limited like many are. They have a wide variety of vets with various specialties etc. Well, I called there to have someone call me back about FeLV as soon as Brooklyn moved in with us and the newest vet there called me back. He was SO kind and informative about FeLV and told me that he doesn't believe an FeLV cat should be put to sleep if he is healthy, that he can live a healthy life for a good while if he is healthy. He gave me so much information on FeLV, some that I had actually read already so I was glad to hear him reiterating it. He was receptive to every single question I asked he answered honestly. I actually thanked him for being so helpful and willing to speak with me (for a half hour) and told him how it was hard for me to find a vet I could talk to. So, Brooklyn and I are going to see him on Saturday. And yes, I can ask him just to evaluate and not persue treatment just yet. I have no problem with that. When it comes to keeping records and writing things down I'm pretty good at that. I bring a whole accordian file with me to the vet with all Linus Lucy's information and take notes and ask for copies of the records. Yes I'm a little OCD about that. LOL. Thanks for the info on the cat toys. Yes that string is kept away when I am not home, but good point on the bell. He doesn't seem to be interested in the fluffy ball and felt mouse I got him just yet, but I think it's just because he wants me to play with him. It's no fun without a partner! lol. Can I say once again how great this cat is? ok he's so great! He sleeps so peacefully and deeply, this morning I actually startled him awake when I petted him and said good morning, he kind of jumped a little and meowed at me. I think that was the best sleep he's had in a while! When I let the dogs outside, he doesn't even seem interested in going out, hasn't tried to run out once. I figured he'd dart for the door and have been careful to watch him, but nope...no interest. As far as food goes, those are also brands that I recommend for dogs (obviously that are not vegan). Wellness is great as well as all the others. I have almost all of those at a local dog/cat supply store (i hate pet stores). I will pick up some Wellness for him asap. He isn't overweight (yet...lol) but he has gained weight. I am so glad to see him looking and acting healthy. I really think this was meant to be. There he was waiting for me outside my office. I love him! About me, as you all know I'm vegan, really dedicated to my animals, I'm 30, live alone and have a wonderful boyfriend who absolutely adores animals as much as I do (my ex boyfriend told me he refused to live in a dog hotel!!!). I am involved in pug rescue, although I have taken some time off because it was a very very busy and overwhelming year for me. Lots of dogs surrendered in my area. I work as an audiologist but wish I could make a living just cuddling with my animal babies. Wouldn't that be great? lol. I've been called wacky and weird,which, actually, considering the standard of 'normal', I take as a compliment...lol, but I have the best of intentions and would do anything for the people and animals I love. Got to get back to work. Have I overwhelmed all of you with my blabber?? Thank you SO much for having me, for being so welcoming
RE: Kerry and Tiger
FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went that route for about 6 months earlier this year. As you know it's not a covered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently) right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it away and went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Which brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without* covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist? I've looked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Does anyone know where they can be found? Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and a half times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only type readily available is uncovered. Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Kerry and Tiger Ha! No, I'm not a cat, I just try and think like one, (or a dog, or a bird, or any animal I want to relate too). I think the kitties in my life do think I'm a huge clumsy cat sometimes! Especially when I mimic their vocalizations. I tell them all the time, I'm sorry I'm not as graceful in my movements as they are. Something else that I didn't mention to Kerry... Sometimes cats that are picky about their litter, will use a bigger box more reliably. I have a couple of jumbo boxes that I got at Home Depot. They're actually the pans that are used for mixing small amounts of cement. They're dirt cheap and they work great for nice big litterboxes. Also, some kitties don't like using a communal litterbox, it is after all a way of marking territory. Adding more boxes, in different locations sometimes helps. If our little man Cotton has accidents only when he's not feeling well, then I don't think it's behavioral. Poor little sprite! Nina Dudes wrote: Nina, are you sure you are not a cat? It makes a lot of sense. This interests me too, because Cotton also has accidents, but mostly when he has been feeling bad. I have attributed much of it to his digestive woes. He's also the pickiest cat I have ever known about his litterbox. He wants it immaculate. Sandy hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: New Member
Hi Rebecca, Welcome to the group and what a lucky boy Brooklyn and the rest of your gang is!! I have a free online community photo album you are welcome to use to post pictures of all of your guys in. Just register and post away. http://albums.bemikitties.com My Bailey my only positive in my group of 6 is 10 years old and was diagnosed at 5 months, so there is hope for a long, healthy life for Brooklyn. Bailey has been healthy for the most part until a bout with stomastisis last year which we finally have under control. He does have arthritis in his backend where the tail and back meet and is on medication for that. It doesn't seem to hinder him much, but it is tender and I'm careful not to touch him back there. Other than that he is doing great. I recently switched him to raw and he has gained over a pound on that and is actually a little pudgy now. He gets COQ-10, Lysine, cosequin (for the arthritis). Since he has been on the raw I can put these supplements in his food where as before I couldn't, he'd know it was in there and wouldn't eat it, but with the raw, he loves it so much he just doesn't care. Hope Brooklyn continues to amuse and enthrall you for a long, long time to come, he sounds like a real charector!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: New Member
Actually, DUH I have links to Brooklyn's Photos I can share...I forgot... http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1284.JPG http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1283.JPG http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1282.JPG http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1281.JPG and here's my doggies website... http://www.linusnlucy.com enjoy! -Rebecca
Re: New Member
My opinion only but, dry food is what makes most cats fat, dry really isn't good for cats. It is mostly grains and carbohydrates and cats do not need either and in fact cannot proccess them very well. When Buddie was way over weight, she ate ONLY dry all her life, would not have anything to do with wet food. When it was not an option and she had to lose weight, I weaned her (much easier than I expected off the dry) and in about a year and a half or so, she lost 6 pounds. All the vets I talk to say dry is not good food for cats, it is a contraversial subject but in my opinion cats are better off without it completely if that is possible. That said, I have 3 now that just absolutely will not give it up. I almost had them all off of it and on the raw, but the minute I quit putting it out KC decided he was not going to eat, so I had no choice but to give it back to him, and of course once my others saw KC getting it a few of them decided they wanted it too. I still intend to wean them off of it, but I can see it is going to be very difficult, they really get hooked on it. PS. KC is overweight and so is Cody my 2 big dry eaters. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Felv+ cat wanted
gloria, you're just too quick for me--this is a good friend of mine, one of my cohosts that i've chatted with for 6 years. i sent her the link to the adopt.bemikitties.com page (and offered to post here!)... On 11/22/05, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't see this forwarded from the [FeLVPositiveCats] list - wanted to make sure it got out on the list - rescuer has space for an FELV kitty in New York. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin forwarded message: From: katjam4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: November 21, 2005 7:34:54 PM CST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] Felv+ cat wanted Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know of someone who recently lost one of her Felv+ cats and is looking for another to keep her remaining + cat company. Male between 1- 4 yrs old preferred and must get along with other cats. This lady is a rescuer and has other cats in the house, but her felv+ cats are kept in a seperate room. She lives in Port Washington NY (Long Island) and doesn't travel. If you know of a felv+ on Long Island that needs a home, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will forward the info to her. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: New Member
Very beautiful furchild :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Kerry and Tiger
How about rigging one of those big plastic storage containers? I have some with hinged lids that are sturdy enough to hold up under this kind of use. You could cut a door in one of the sides high enough up to still contain the litter. Just a thought in case you can't find a large covered box. I hope you have a large apartment! Interesting that Tiger prefers privacy... N MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went that route for about 6 months earlier this year. As you know it's not a covered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently) right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it away and went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Which brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without* covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist? I've looked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Does anyone know where they can be found? Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and a half times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only type readily available is uncovered. Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated!
Dry food
Dry food is not good for cats and does contribute to obesity and exacerbates all sorts of health problems, it's a definite no no for IBD, and can reek havoc with hydration problems. That said, I do keep dry out for my cats 24/7 too. Like Jenn, I use Innova's EVO, it's the best I've found, (no grains, minimal veggies), and helps me feel less guilty about not working hard enough to wean my dry food junkies. Nina Belinda Sauro wrote: My opinion only but, dry food is what makes most cats fat, dry really isn't good for cats. It is mostly grains and carbohydrates and cats do not need either and in fact cannot proccess them very well. When Buddie was way over weight, she ate ONLY dry all her life, would not have anything to do with wet food. When it was not an option and she had to lose weight, I weaned her (much easier than I expected off the dry) and in about a year and a half or so, she lost 6 pounds. All the vets I talk to say dry is not good food for cats, it is a contraversial subject but in my opinion cats are better off without it completely if that is possible. That said, I have 3 now that just absolutely will not give it up. I almost had them all off of it and on the raw, but the minute I quit putting it out KC decided he was not going to eat, so I had no choice but to give it back to him, and of course once my others saw KC getting it a few of them decided they wanted it too. I still intend to wean them off of it, but I can see it is going to be very difficult, they really get hooked on it. PS. KC is overweight and so is Cody my 2 big dry eaters.
RE: Kerry and Tiger
Yes, that's an idea thanks Nina--I've never seen a hinged kind in Linen n Things or Bed bath and Beyond but maybe that's becouse I wan't looking for that. I'm curious Nina---what makes you say Tiger prefers privacy? No, I do not have a large place---and it just became a little smaller with the arrival of the giant Pookie crate that takes up half the dining area! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Kerry and Tiger How about rigging one of those big plastic storage containers? I have some with hinged lids that are sturdy enough to hold up under this kind of use. You could cut a door in one of the sides high enough up to still contain the litter. Just a thought in case you can't find a large covered box. I hope you have a large apartment! Interesting that Tiger prefers privacy... N MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went that route for about 6 months earlier this year. As you know it's not a covered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently) right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it away and went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Which brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without* covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist? I've looked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Does anyone know where they can be found? Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and a half times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only type readily available is uncovered. Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated! hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Dry food
Funny, I've just been talking about this very subject to my co-worker---Tiger is overweight (prob 17 lb), and I want to start a new food routine whereby they all have 45 mins mealtimes twice a day (and no 24/7 dry food). The others don't overeat. Probably pure fantasy on my part, of course. They are all--pos neg--addicted to Wellness dry. HoweverI think I'll try switching to EVO. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Dry food Dry food is not good for cats and does contribute to obesity and exacerbates all sorts of health problems, it's a definite no no for IBD, and can reek havoc with hydration problems. That said, I do keep dry out for my cats 24/7 too. Like Jenn, I use Innova's EVO, it's the best I've found, (no grains, minimal veggies), and helps me feel less guilty about not working hard enough to wean my dry food junkies. Nina Belinda Sauro wrote: My opinion only but, dry food is what makes most cats fat, dry really isn't good for cats. It is mostly grains and carbohydrates and cats do not need either and in fact cannot proccess them very well. When Buddie was way over weight, she ate ONLY dry all her life, would not have anything to do with wet food. When it was not an option and she had to lose weight, I weaned her (much easier than I expected off the dry) and in about a year and a half or so, she lost 6 pounds. All the vets I talk to say dry is not good food for cats, it is a contraversial subject but in my opinion cats are better off without it completely if that is possible. That said, I have 3 now that just absolutely will not give it up. I almost had them all off of it and on the raw, but the minute I quit putting it out KC decided he was not going to eat, so I had no choice but to give it back to him, and of course once my others saw KC getting it a few of them decided they wanted it too. I still intend to wean them off of it, but I can see it is going to be very difficult, they really get hooked on it. PS. KC is overweight and so is Cody my 2 big dry eaters. hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Welcome Rebecca
Hi Rebecca Welcome to group. I too am 30 and vegan although I work in Psychology not audiology. My animals are not vegan although my dog goes mad for carrots. All 3 of my dogs went mad for carrots but I only have 1 left now - the others had to be put to sleep due to old age related ailments. In fact when my boy Deano was here he had about 6 teeth out so we had to cook his carrots so they were soft following the operation. Then about 2 weeks later I caught him pinching a big raw carrot out of the bag and he lay for about 20 mins patiently grinding the carrot down with his front teeth - bless him. The vet prescribed carrots for Gemma who needed to lose weight at the time and all 3 got hooked. Now I only have Candy left of my dogs but she is still as hooked - we just give her a carrot to keep her quiet now. Your comment about your ex boyfriend made me laugh too. My boyfriend would not have another pet when our recue Cat tidge died (unexpected FIV related illnesses) so I moved back home with my parents and took in 3 immune compromised cats from the sanctuary. We are still together but just don't see each other much nor live together which I prefer. I too wish I could afford to just cuddle up with the fur babies full time and dedicate my whole time to being a full time animal mother. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Re: Dry food
My Lucy has always refused to eat anything but dry food. Now, because of her bladder stone problems, I am supposed to get her to eat wet food. I have tried and have found stuff she will eat, only to find that any wet food at all gives her diarrhea. Michelle
Re: Welcome Rebecca
Wow, I can't believe there are other vegans here. I hardly ever meet any. As far as carrots go, my pugs also go NUTS over them. They also go nuts over brussels sprouts. Go figure. lol. Lucy loves to eat, she'd eat the whole apartment if it were edible. Sometimes she is so stubborn to come inside that I have to yell CARROT! or COOKIE! and THEN she comes FLYING back inside. I love animals. They make life so interesting and fun. lol. Well, your boyfriend is luckier than mine was at the time. He's gone now. Got the boot. LOL. Actually it was otherwise related, but still, any guy who doesn't love animals like I do...there's gonna be a problem. They don't have to be vegan but they sure do have to love furkids, and my guy now is a gem. He is so gentle. ANYWAY...thank you for the welcome Michelle. I look forward to sharing more about Brooklyn as we adjust and bond more with each other. Where is everyone from by the way? I'm from NY and live in Long Island. I just called about Innova and they have it at my local supply store. $11 and change for a 6 lb bag. Reasonable? I know everything is expensive in NY so I wouldn't be surprised if that's expensive. -Rebecca ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Welcome Rebecca Sent: Nov 22 '05 11:43 Hi Rebecca Welcome to group. I too am 30 and vegan although I work in Psychology not audiology. My animals are not vegan although my dog goes mad for carrots. All 3 of my dogs went mad for carrots but I only have 1 left now - the others had to be put to sleep due to old age related ailments. In fact when my boy Deano was here he had about 6 teeth out so we had to cook his carrots so they were soft following the operation. Then about 2 weeks later I caught him pinching a big raw carrot out of the bag and he lay for about 20 mins patiently grinding the carrot down with his front teeth - bless him. The vet prescribed carrots for Gemma who needed to lose weight at the time and all 3 got hooked. Now I only have Candy left of my dogs but she is still as hooked - we just give her a carrot to keep her quiet now. Your comment about your ex boyfriend made me laugh too. My boyfriend would not have another pet when our recue Cat tidge died (unexpected FIV related illnesses) so I moved back home with my parents and took in 3 immune compromised cats from the sanctuary. We are still together but just don't see each other much nor live together which I prefer. I too wish I could afford to just cuddle up with the fur babies full time and dedicate my whole time to being a full time animal mother. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Re: Kerry and Tiger
I'm curious Nina---what makes you say Tiger prefers privacy? The covered box preference. I was thinking about the way Tiger used to wait for you to get home to eliminate. I know from watching the ferals, and from my bottle babies, that some cats prefer to have a sentry on guard while they defecate, or eat. Someone watching their back. Maybe it wasn't over excitement at all, maybe he just wanted his wing man present when he was in a vulnerable position :) . I got the hinged topped storage crates at Costco. I think they may have them at Office Depot, or Office Max too. N MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Yes, that's an idea thanks Nina--I've never seen a hinged kind in Linen n Things or Bed bath and Beyond but maybe that's becouse I wan't looking for that. I'm curious Nina---what makes you say Tiger prefers privacy? No, I do not have a large place---and it just became a little smaller with the arrival of the giant Pookie crate that takes up half the dining area! Kerry
litterboxes
I was reading about covered litterboxes. What size are the largest that come with a cover? Does anyone have problems with their dog thinking cat poop is an appetizer? I've heard that lots of dogs are intrigued by cat poo. Ew. Don't know what would make them attracted to it. Ew again. I'll try to find a bigger covered litterbox if you know the dimensions of the largest one you know of so far. ;) Rebecca
Re: Welcome Rebecca
Hi Rebecca, Gloria, (I think it was Gloria), found us this wonderful map thing where we've started to post ourselves and locations. You can include a picture too. Very cool. http://www.frappr.com/felvtalk It doesn't surprise me that you don't run into a lot of vegans in NY! I remember when I first moved back east. I ordered a swiss cheese sandwich and the guy behind the counter had to be convinced that I really didn't want any type of meat on it! This was years ago, I doubt you'd get that kind of response today. Innova is expensive, but most cats just love it. I have a pretty large household so I have to buy the big bag. No one in my immediate area carries it and I keep thinking I should buy two bags at once to save on trips, but every time I see the price tag I balk and just get one. Real bright, huh? I'm not only inconveniencing myself with the added trips, I'm spending more money on gas! Nina veggiepugs wrote: Wow, I can't believe there are other vegans here. I hardly ever meet any. As far as carrots go, my pugs also go NUTS over them. They also go nuts over brussels sprouts. Go figure. lol. Lucy loves to eat, she'd eat the whole apartment if it were edible. Sometimes she is so stubborn to come inside that I have to yell "CARROT!" or "COOKIE!" and THEN she comes FLYING back inside. I love animals. They make life so interesting and fun. lol. Well, your boyfriend is luckier than mine was at the time. He's gone now. Got the boot. LOL. Actually it was otherwise related, but still, any guy who doesn't love animals like I do...there's gonna be a problem. They don't have to be vegan but they sure do have to love furkids, and my guy now is a gem. He is so gentle. ANYWAY...thank you for the welcome Michelle. I look forward to sharing more about Brooklyn as we adjust and bond more with each other. Where is everyone from by the way? I'm from NY and live in Long Island. I just called about Innova and they have it at my local supply store. $11 and change for a 6 lb bag. Reasonable? I know everything is expensive in NY so I wouldn't be surprised if that's expensive. -Rebecca ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Welcome Rebecca Sent: Nov 22 '05 11:43 Hi Rebecca Welcome to group. I too am 30 and vegan although I work in Psychology not audiology. My animals are not vegan although my dog goes mad for carrots. All 3 of my dogs went mad for carrots but I only have 1 left now - the others had to be put to sleep due to old age related ailments. In fact when my boy Deano was here he had about 6 teeth out so we had to cook his carrots so they were soft following the operation. Then about 2 weeks later I caught him pinching a big raw carrot out of the bag and he lay for about 20 mins patiently grinding the carrot down with his front teeth - bless him. The vet prescribed carrots for Gemma who needed to lose weight at the time and all 3 got hooked. Now I only have Candy left of my dogs but she is still as hooked - we just give her a carrot to keep her quiet now. Your comment about your ex boyfriend made me laugh too. My boyfriend would not have another pet when our recue Cat tidge died (unexpected FIV related illnesses) so I moved back home with my parents and took in 3 immune compromised cats from the sanctuary. We are still together but just don't see each other much nor live together which I prefer. I too wish I could afford to just cuddle up with the fur babies full time and dedicate my whole time to being a full time animal mother. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Re: Welcome Rebecca
Yes, it is very common when feeding cats a vegan diet, that they get UTI's as a result of an improper PH balance. Vegancats.com therefore sells a product called Enzymes PH which helps and I think is great for any cat vegan or not that suffers w. UTI issues. If anyone's interested in the supplements they sell, they have a few good ones, ur cat doesn't have to be vegan to use them. lol. check them out... http://vegancats.com/pages/1153/Dietary_Supplements.htm I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your doggies. My heart aches for you. I would be the same. I feed my dogs Evolution vegan dog food canned and kibble. they LOVE it. And they are extremely healthy, in fact, in comparison to a lot of other pugs we know (i belong to a pug group on LI) they have exceptionally beautiful coats and are in good shape, whereas many pugs are overweight and have skin problems that we know. I tried once to switch them to another food, but Lucy's stomach did not do well on it. So, Evolution it is. Plus carrots, brussels sprouts, mr barkey's and mr pugsley's treats. lol. Thanks for sharing! -Rebecca ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Welcome Rebecca Sent: Nov 22 '05 12:22 I'm vegan too. And I think Del is also. My dogs, when they were alive, went crazy for broccoli stems. We called them broccoli bones because they would run off to their beds, lay with them between their paws, and eat them like bones. They all died in the last 1.5 years, and to this day we can not cook broccoli. We tried last week, but when my partner Gray cut the stems off he started crying and said he still can not cook with it. It was such a ritual of cutting the stems off and calling to the dogs to come get them. Two of our dogs were vegan ate Wysong Vegan dry food) for most of their lives, but the third ate food with meat because she was on diet food. At the end they all ate meat because two had cancer and we read that they should not have much carbs. I once tried the Wysong Vegan, which says it is feline and canine, with a cat, but he got urinary crystals right away, and the same happened with a friend's cats, so I never tried it again. I would be afraid to try to feed my positives vegan anyway. Michelle In a message dated 11/22/2005 12:14:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow, I can't believe there are other vegans here. I hardly ever meet any. As far as carrots go, my pugs also go NUTS over them. They also go nuts over brussels sprouts. Go figure. lol. Lucy loves to eat, she'd eat the whole apartment if it were edible. Sometimes she is so stubborn to come inside that I have to yell CARROT! or COOKIE! and THEN she comes FLYING back inside. I love animals. They make life so interesting and fun. lol. Well, your boyfriend is luckier than mine was at the time. He's gone now. Got the boot. LOL. Actually it was otherwise related, but still, any guy who doesn't love animals like I do...there's gonna be a problem. They don't have to be vegan but they sure do have to love furkids, and my guy now is a gem. He is so gentle. ANYWAY...thank you for the welcome Michelle. I look forward to sharing more about Brooklyn as we adjust and bond more with each other. Where is everyone from by the way? I'm from NY and live in Long Island. I just called about Innova and they have it at my local supply store. $11 and change for a 6 lb bag. Reasonable? I know everything is expensive in NY so I wouldn't be surprised if that's expensive. -Rebecca
Re: litterboxes
My husband calls cat poo appetizers chewy goodness. Disgusting. Ah the joys of fur parenting. While we're on the subject of poo... I just have to vent a little. After all the talk of psyching out litterbox avoidance, my cat Gypsy decided to put me in my place. I was so proud of myself for finding and having delivered a new sofa, love seat and overstuffed chair in time for the hoard of people that will be descending on our home for Thanksgiving. We just got it yesterday, haven't even arranged it the way we want yet. My husband stuck his face back in the bedroom this morning with a look that told me something was very wrong. Gypsy had not only christened the new sofa with her distinctive soft poo, but someone had urinated on the chair. Aaarrrggh! Mommy was not happy. Little s**ts wanted to make sure the new stuff smelled more like the old stuff I guess. Nina veggiepugs wrote: I was reading about covered litterboxes. What size are the largest that come with a cover? Does anyone have problems with their dog thinking cat poop is an appetizer? I've heard that lots of dogs are intrigued by cat poo. Ew. Don't know what would make them attracted to it. Ew again. I'll try to find a bigger covered litterbox if you know the dimensions of the largest one you know of so far. ;) Rebecca
Re: Dry food/Nina~IBD
Nina, Speaking about dry food, IBD etc... I just got back from vets and I am VERY frustrated. Taylor and Moonshade are my 2 "fosters" that came from the kill shelter in August and were the only 2 surviving distemper kittens. They were rescued in August, so it's been some time now and I am anxious to get them adopted. (I did get Thomas (Charity's grey kitten) adopted last week.Yeah) However, I still have Timothy, Charity's black kitten, Moonshade Taylor, PLUS a neighborhood stray wandered to the safety of my barn after being HBC. Needless to say, I took her to vets, thinking that she'd have to be euthanized, as her entire back end was twisted and shattered. X-rays revealed a broken pelvis and her right leg was shattered beyond repair, but.she was so sweet and a real trooper, NEVER crying out in pain or anythingand she was negative for both Felv FIV. So, after a discussion w/ vet, I opted for amputation of the leg. I just couldn't bear the thought of putting her down after she fought so hard to survive! She's doing quite well,(can even use litter box~a BIG concern I had),in fact, it was she who had her post-sx.check up today. And now, it seems her "sister" has shown up at my house too! See where I am going with this??? She is also sweet, but now there's another kitty that I'll have to spay, test and do full vetting on. AND ANOTHER ONE THAT WILL NEED A HOME!! I'm up to my eyeballs in cats here!! Really, I'm not complaining, just whining. LOL! I've moved to a much smaller home and with my 4 dogs and 5 cats, it's really quite "cozy". I also am on a fixed income now and no longer working. It would just be impossible for me to keep all these sweet cats, much as I'd like to. I must have a sign on my back reading, "ALL STRAYS WELCOME HERE." But what is a person supposed to do when there's an animal in need?? I've even tried locating the owner(s) of the orange girl and the new tiger... Of course nobody is going to admit they threw their cat out like trash.. G, it makes me so angry!! I'm wandering WAY OT here.. Sorry, I tend to do that. Getting back on topic. Taylor Moonshade have serious issues with stools. They have been de-wormed, using Nemex and Strongid. Also droncit, since they were infested with fleas when rescued. When their first stool sample was brought to vets, I did suspect coccidia or giardia, but was told it was negative. Needless to say, when the problem was unresolved, after treatment w/ metronidizole, I insisted vet do the fecal...and, yes, they DID have coccidia. So, they were treated with albon...and albon was REPEATED after no major improvements with first round. So here's my dilemma. Fecal negative today and vet and I discussed IBD, which I thought could be part of their problem a while ago. They've been on the raw food diet. I have used slippery elm, arsenicum albon, acidophyllus, colustrum w/olive,brown rice and other holistic/homeopathic supplements. The vet wants me to try them on Hill's ID food, and I am not really keen on that idea... Now, I did feed that to Felix, my old man w/ IBD, mainly because he was so old and he must have found it to be very palatible, cause he LOVED it. I also used the supplements, and he responded very well. My concern here is these 2 girls are so young and I just don't want to jump into the prescription diet thing with them... With all your experience with IBD Nina, what should I do for them?? I just feel so bad, I want them to get back on track.they deserve to have a permanent, loving home after all they've been thru. They are such love-muffins!! Oh yeah, vet also said that if they continue with loose stools, to start them on regime of prednisone AND metronidizole! Believe me, I am NOT crazy about that idea either. I realize in some instances steroids ARE the way to go, but I just want to explore some more natural, less invasive type things. Know what I mean?? Anyway, now that I've written a mini-novel, PLEASE give me some suggestions and advice. I want to do whatever possible to get these girls healthy. Thanks in advance Nina! (And anyone elsewho has suggestions!!) Hugs, Patti
RE: Kerry and Tiger
The covered box preference. Maybe I confused things Nina. He did often use the cement open container. He just used it so near the edge that it was like he wasn't using it at all. He does that with the covered boxes too. I have to wipe around the inside edges a lot when i'm cleaning! Good point--he may well prefer a sentrybecause he's scared the others may do to him what he does to them! For he is also the only cat that terrorizes the others by standing right outside the box when they're using it. I tell him off for that and pick him up/move him if I can get to him in time. I'll have a look at Office Max/Depot---they're quite near me. Thanks! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Kerry and Tiger I'm curious Nina---what makes you say Tiger prefers privacy? The covered box preference. I was thinking about the way Tiger used to wait for you to get home to eliminate. I know from watching the ferals, and from my bottle babies, that some cats prefer to have a sentry on guard while they defecate, or eat. Someone watching their back. Maybe it wasn't over excitement at all, maybe he just wanted his wing man present when he was in a vulnerable position :) . I got the hinged topped storage crates at Costco. I think they may have them at Office Depot, or Office Max too. N MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Yes, that's an idea thanks Nina--I've never seen a hinged kind in Linen n Things or Bed bath and Beyond but maybe that's becouse I wan't looking for that. I'm curious Nina---what makes you say Tiger prefers privacy? No, I do not have a large place---and it just became a little smaller with the arrival of the giant Pookie crate that takes up half the dining area! Kerry hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: litterboxes
Uh oh. I'm sorry. Gypsy is lucky she lives with *you*. She'll live to tell the tale. Kx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: litterboxes My husband calls cat poo appetizers chewy goodness. Disgusting. Ah the joys of fur parenting. While we're on the subject of poo... I just have to vent a little. After all the talk of psyching out litterbox avoidance, my cat Gypsy decided to put me in my place. I was so proud of myself for finding and having delivered a new sofa, love seat and overstuffed chair in time for the hoard of people that will be descending on our home for Thanksgiving. We just got it yesterday, haven't even arranged it the way we want yet. My husband stuck his face back in the bedroom this morning with a look that told me something was very wrong. Gypsy had not only christened the new sofa with her distinctive soft poo, but someone had urinated on the chair. Aaarrrggh! Mommy was not happy. Little s**ts wanted to make sure the new stuff smelled more like the old stuff I guess. Nina veggiepugs wrote: I was reading about covered litterboxes. What size are the largest that come with a cover? Does anyone have problems with their dog thinking cat poop is an appetizer? I've heard that lots of dogs are intrigued by cat poo. Ew. Don't know what would make them attracted to it. Ew again. I'll try to find a bigger covered litterbox if you know the dimensions of the largest one you know of so far. ;) Rebecca hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: litterboxes
This group has me in stitches. lol. ---Original Message--- From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: litterboxes Sent: Nov 22 '05 13:13 Uh oh. I'm sorry. Gypsy is lucky she lives with *you*. She'll live to tell the tale. Kx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: litterboxes My husband calls cat poo appetizers chewy goodness. Disgusting. Ah the joys of fur parenting. While we're on the subject of poo... I just have to vent a little. After all the talk of psyching out litterbox avoidance, my cat Gypsy decided to put me in my place. I was so proud of myself for finding and having delivered a new sofa, love seat and overstuffed chair in time for the hoard of people that will be descending on our home for Thanksgiving. We just got it yesterday, haven't even arranged it the way we want yet. My husband stuck his face back in the bedroom this morning with a look that told me something was very wrong. Gypsy had not only christened the new sofa with her distinctive soft poo, but someone had urinated on the chair. Aaarrrggh! Mommy was not happy. Little s**ts wanted to make sure the new stuff smelled more like the old stuff I guess. Nina veggiepugs wrote: I was reading about covered litterboxes. What size are the largest that come with a cover? Does anyone have problems with their dog thinking cat poop is an appetizer? I've heard that lots of dogs are intrigued by cat poo. Ew. Don't know what would make them attracted to it. Ew again. I'll try to find a bigger covered litterbox if you know the dimensions of the largest one you know of so far. ;) Rebecca hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Welcome Rebecca
In a message dated 11/22/05 12:14:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lucy loves to eat, she'd eat the whole apartment if it were edible Rebecca ~ Your Lucy sounds so much like my Lucy!!! I always say my Lucy will eat anything!! She LOVES to eat...her favorite past~time. She had to have surgery on her hips last year (FHO's on BOTH hips). And Lucy, being a cattle dog mix, ideally should weigh around 30 lbs. Yeah, right. I had to put her on a diet prior to surgery, so I started adding more fresh veggies to her food What a riot! She is the only dog I have ever seen that actually picks OUT all her veggies and tosses them on the floor!!! She'd actually look up at me and whine like a baby when her meals consisted of too many veggies to her liking!! However, at the time it wasn't funny to me, cause she needed the surgery so badly BUT she had to loose weight. Somehow, we managed to get the weight off and she had the surgery. NOW, we are attempting the "diet" thing again cause she is going to need total hip replacements. I just LOVE her so much. Midnight, my vegan dog loves bananas. That is how I"won" her over. She was returned to the shelter after being in a home for almost 8 years. Her "owners" (they do NOT qualify for the term guardian), never addressed her ear problems, so she was in so much pain that she had become aggressive. She was what my daughter called, "an evil dog". Who could blame her?? She was about to be banished to the kennel where the shelter (no kill) housed their aggressive dogs, and I couldn't bear to see that happen to her. So, I started to try to win her affections. And one day she was sitting next to me when I was eating lunch and she grabbed my banana and took off! I was amazed to see her scarfing down the entire banana, skin all. So I started bringing an extra banana with me every day, and, yes, I did peel them. And, I have to say, it was the bananas that "sealed" our relationship! Too funny. Anyway, once again I ramble. I was born in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. Lived there til I was eleven, then we moved out to Babylon. (We always had a summer house in Farmingville, until the construction of the LIE took that away from us!! Damn LIE ~ I still won't drive on it. And besides, it's TOO busy, makes me nervous as he!!.) Now I'm in Pennsylvania, but I still LOVE miss New York. Especially the city and the beaches Where on the Island are you?? My sister's in West Islip. I still have family in Babylon, Patchogue, Freeport and Medford There's no place like home. Hugs, Patti
RE: litterboxes
Nice to meet you Kerry. I'm horrible with names in person, but online at least i can read and visualize. I'm a very visual person. lol. So, so far, I've met/spoken with...Nina, Jenn, Michelle and now Kerry. I hope I haven't missed anyone! There should be a word for meeting people online. maybe E-meeting. LOL. I can't wait to get home to Brooklyn (the cat, not the place...lol) ---Original Message--- From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: litterboxes Sent: Nov 22 '05 13:11 Hi Rebecca (and welcome!---don't think we've spoken?) I'll try to find a bigger covered litterbox if you know the dimensions of the largest one you know of so far. Thanks! I'll measure the ones I currently buy--they're high at the back at least---but they're not long enough (in my view). Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: litterboxes My husband calls cat poo appetizers chewy goodness. Disgusting. Ah the joys of fur parenting. While we're on the subject of poo... I just have to vent a little. After all the talk of psyching out litterbox avoidance, my cat Gypsy decided to put me in my place. I was so proud of myself for finding and having delivered a new sofa, love seat and overstuffed chair in time for the hoard of people that will be descending on our home for Thanksgiving. We just got it yesterday, haven't even arranged it the way we want yet. My husband stuck his face back in the bedroom this morning with a look that told me something was very wrong. Gypsy had not only christened the new sofa with her distinctive soft poo, but someone had urinated on the chair. Aaarrrggh! Mommy was not happy. Little s**ts wanted to make sure the new stuff smelled more like the old stuff I guess. Nina veggiepugs wrote: I was reading about covered litterboxes. What size are the largest that come with a cover? Does anyone have problems with their dog thinking cat poop is an appetizer? I've heard that lots of dogs are intrigued by cat poo. Ew. Don't know what would make them attracted to it. Ew again. I'll try to find a bigger covered litterbox if you know the dimensions of the largest one you know of so far. ;) Rebecca hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Dry food
Have you tried very gradually switching? When I went from canned to raw it took about 3 months mayebe even longer. I started with 1 teaspoon a week, then went to 2 for a week, and so on. There were a feww weeks when I would have to go back a step because they weren't eating as good. Once I finally got them switched all were doing good, even KC my big dyr junkie, but as I said the minute I completely took away his dry he refused to eat anymore raw, I couldn't even get him to eat his regular fancy feast (the wet I fed before the raw), so by the 3rd day of his not eating I put the dry back out and it took a little while to get him eating good again. He's a bit over weight so I didn't want to take any chances with HL. Now he will eat dry or treats only ... stinker. And of course once everyone saw him getting dry they all run to the bedroom when I dish it out, brats!! Most eat the raw and dry but not KC:) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Kerry and Tiger
Kerry, I just got a new box and it's not covered, but the sides are 11" high (23.4"long and 18.25" wide). Here's a link - I got it at PetsMart, but it's Rubbermaid and should be available at other places.http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132684459350"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went thatroute for about 6 months earlier this year. As you know it's not acovered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently)right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it awayand went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Which brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without*covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist? I'velooked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Doesanyone know where they can be found?Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and ahalf times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only typereadily available is uncovered.Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated!-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:04 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Kerry and TigerHa! No, I'm not a cat, I just try and think like one, (or a dog, or a bird, or any animal I want to relate too). I think the kitties in my life do think I'm a huge clumsy cat sometimes! Especially when I mimic their vocalizations. I tell them all the time, I'm sorry I'm not as graceful in my movements as they are.Something else that I didn't mention to Kerry... Sometimes cats that are "picky" about their litter, will use a bigger box more reliably. I have a couple of jumbo boxes that I got at Home Depot. They're actuallythe pans that are used for mixing small amounts of cement. They're dirtcheap and they work great for nice big litterboxes. Also, some kitties don't like using a communal litterbox, it is after all a way of marking territory. Adding more boxes, in different locations sometimes helps. If our little man Cotton has accidents only when he's not feeling well, then I don't think it's behavioral. Poor little sprite!NinaDudes wrote: Nina, are you sure you are not a cat? It makes a lot of sense. This interests me too, because Cotton also has accidents, but mostly when he has been feeling bad. I have attributed much of it to his digestive woes. He's also the pickiest cat I have ever known about his litterbox. He wants it immaculate. SandyIRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: Welcome Rebecca
Hah...Patti we have a lot of ties here...lol. My dogs love bananas too. Ever since I was a kid, I've loved a snack of bananas with maple syrup. As soon as I peel a banana, they pick up the scent and are hopping around me like little rabbits. lol. Lucy running in circles and jumping up on my legs and whining like she's a starving child. Oy vay. The drama. They also love, carrots and brussels sprouts as I mentioned, oranges, though I've stopped feeding them because I read about some toxicity issue with them and dogs, popcorn and chips which I don't feed them but maybe one or two ONCE in a blue moon, but Lucy still knows the word Chip. They know the word EAT too and I can't even spell it, they can understand the spelling too. Smart asses. Brooklyn is picking up on a lot of this, as soon as I open the fridge, he comes running and meowing. When I'm making his food...oh my, exactly like the pugs, he jumps up on his hind legs, reaches his front paws out to as far up towards the counter as he can as if to say Please, give it to me, I'm dying of starvation, I can't wait any longer! He jumped up and knocked down all the food the other day because he couldn't wait anymore! Whenever I give the dogs a cookie/treat, he comes and wants some too. He is so hilarious. He's fit in so ridiculously fast and so perfectly. I am astounded. He's like another dog. A very mellow, sleek and agile dog. LOL. I can't get over his begging and his talking. It tickles me pink (what an odd expression). lol. Babylon huh? My boyfriend lives in Deer Park. He's a volunteer fireman there. His ancestry traces back to Brooklyn though, mostly in Park Slope. The LIE can be horrible definitely. Thank goodness I don't have to use it often, but the southern state is even worse if you ask me, and that, i get stuck on regularly. I live in North Massapequa which is a really nice family oriented area. I live in a basement apartment under an AMAZINGLY understanding and very cool landlady in her late 60's. I honestly could never leave because I am so spoiled living there. We're all like family. She and her son and his family live upstairs and they have 2 dogs, a cat, 3 birds, a lizard, a guinea pig and I'm sure there's something else I'm missing but unfortunately they're not the best guardians. Not terrible, but not the best. At least they love their animals. What a house huh? Altogether 4 dogs, 2 cats, 2 rabbits, 3 birds, a guinea pig, a lizard, some fish and coming soon...a partridge in a pear tree. lol. I crack myself up (hey someone's got to laugh at my corny jokes). lol. Hugs. It's so great to be here. The support and just having people to talk to who can relate on so many levels is great. I'll have more about Brooklyn on Saturday. GEEZ talk about babbling. I win. Hugs, Rebecca
Re: Dry food/Nina~IBD
well, negative stool samples don't necessarily mean that kitty doesn't have parasites. Have them check for clostridium perfringens as well - it took several months of testing and treatments and food changes before my vets tested Smoky for that and sure enough, positive. And with some of these critters, the treatment should be for weeks, not days - Smoky was on Tylan for about 9 months, but he cleared up:)with both the tylan and the metronidazole, you need to put them in gel caps - the met because it is seriously vile and the tylan because it comes in powder form and I have yet to meet a kitty who will eat medicated food. (Supplemented is different, my boys eat their food with the prozyme and l-glutamine w/no fussing).[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Speaking about dry food, IBD etc... I just got back from vets and I am VERY frustrated. Taylor and Moonshade are my 2 "fosters" that came from the kill shelter in August and were the only 2 surviving distemper kittens. They were rescued in August, so it's been some time now and I am anxious to get them adopted. (I did get Thomas (Charity's grey kitten) adopted last week.Yeah) However, I still have Timothy, Charity's black kitten, Moonshade Taylor, PLUS a neighborhood stray wandered to the safety of my barn after being HBC. Needless to say, I took her to vets, thinking that she'd have to be euthanized, as her entire back end was twisted and shattered. X-rays revealed a broken pelvis and her right leg was shattered beyond repair, but.she was so sweet and a real trooper, NEVER crying out in pain or anythingand she was negative for both Felv FIV. So, after a discussion w/ vet, I opted for amputation of the leg. I just couldn't bear the thought of putting her down after she fought so hard to survive! She's doing quite well,(can even use litter box~a BIG concern I had),in fact, it was she who had her post-sx.check up today. And now, it seems her "sister" has shown up at my house too! See where I am going with this??? She is also sweet, but now there's another kitty that I'll have to spay, test and do full vetting on. AND ANOTHER ONE THAT WILL NEED A HOME!! I'm up to my eyeballs in cats here!! Really, I'm not complaining, just whining. LOL! I've moved to a much smaller home and with my 4 dogs and 5 cats, it's really quite "cozy". I also am on a fixed income now and no longer working. It would just be impossible for me to keep all these sweet cats, much as I'd like to. I must have a sign on my back reading, "ALL STRAYS WELCOME HERE." But what is a person supposed to do when there's an animal in need?? I've even tried locating the owner(s) of the orange girl and the new tiger... Of course nobody is going to admit they threw their cat out like trash.. G, it makes me so angry!! I'm wandering WAY OT here.. Sorry, I tend to do that. Getting back on topic. Taylor Moonshade have serious issues with stools. They have been de-wormed, using Nemex and Strongid. Also droncit, since they were infested with fleas when rescued. When their first stool sample was brought to vets, I did suspect coccidia or giardia, but was told it was negative. Needless to say, when the problem was unresolved, after treatment w/ metronidizole, I insisted vet do the fecal...and, yes, they DID have coccidia. So, they were treated with albon...and albon was REPEATED after no major improvements with first round. So here's my dilemma. Fecal negative today and vet and I discussed IBD, which I thought could be part of their problem a while ago. They've been on the raw food diet. I have used slippery elm, arsenicum albon, acidophyllus, colustrum w/olive,brown rice and other holistic/homeopathic supplements. The vet wants me to try them on Hill's ID food, and I am not really keen on that idea... Now, I did feed that to Felix, my old man w/ IBD, mainly because he was so old and he must have found it to be very palatible, cause he LOVED it. I also used the supplements, and he responded very well. My concern here is these 2 girls are so young and I just don't want to jump into the prescription diet thing with them... With all your experience with IBD Nina, what should I do for them?? I just feel so bad, I want them to get back on track.they deserve to have a permanent, loving home after all they've been thru. They are such love-muffins!! Oh yeah, vet also said that if they continue with loose stools, to start them on regime of prednisone AND metronidizole! Believe me, I am NOT crazy about that idea either. I realize in some instances steroids ARE the way to go, but I just want to explore some more natural, less invasive type things. Know what I mean?? Anyway, now that I've written a mini-novel, PLEASE give me some suggestions and advice. I want to do whatever possible to get these girls healthy. Thanks in advance Nina! (And anyone elsewho has suggestions!!) Hugs, PattiBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:
Re: litterboxes
yeah except kissing is out of the question for a good several hours. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: litterboxes Sent: Nov 22 '05 13:26 In a message dated 11/22/05 12:20:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have problems with their dog thinking cat poop is an appetizer Yepmy Lucy! I told you she'd eat anything!! I think her kitty-cracker consumption added to the problems with her weight! Ugh!!! is right. ( I STILL love her!) Patti
Re: Welcome Rebecca
My dog Chip loved bananas too. One time I left the house and then realized I had forgotten something and went back in, and a whole bunch of bananas was lying on one of the dog beds, and Chip was sort of looking up at the ceiling like "I was just standing here looking at the ceiling. Don't know how they got there."Michelle In a message dated 11/22/2005 1:48:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My dogs love bananas too
RE: Kerry and Tiger
Title: Message Thanks Barb---that's the highest uncovered I've seen. I think I may have to hold out for one like thisbut covered tho--because the covered oneTiger uses now, while not long enough in my view, *is* high at the back -- it's prob also 11"--andgoing bywhat meets my eyes twice-daily when I remove the lid, it's clear the lid is a vital component---vital for (semi-)civilized living at any rate.. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:36 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Kerry, I just got a new box and it's not covered, but the sides are 11" high (23.4"long and 18.25" wide). Here's a link - I got it at PetsMart, but it's Rubbermaid and should be available at other places. http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132684459350 "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went thatroute for about 6 months earlier this! year. As you know it's not acovered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently)right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it awayand went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Which brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without*covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist? I'velooked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Doesanyone know where they can be found?Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and ahalf times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only typereadily available is uncovered.Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated!-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, November 22, ! 2005 12:04 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Kerry and TigerHa! No, I'm not a cat, I just try and think like one, (or a dog, or a bird, or any animal I want to relate too). I think the kitties in my life do think I'm a huge clumsy cat sometimes! Especially when I mimic their vocalizations. I tell them all the time, I'm sorry I'm not as graceful in my movements as they are.Something else that I didn't mention to Kerry... Sometimes cats that are "picky" about their litter, will use a bigger box more reliably. I have a couple of jumbo boxes that I got at Home Depot. They're actuallythe pans that are used for mixing small amounts of cement. They're dirtcheap and they work great for nice big litterboxes. Also, some kitties don't like using a communal litterbox, it is after all a way of marking territory. Adding more boxes, in different locations sometimes helps. If our little man Cotton has ac! cidents only when he's not feeling well, then I don't think it's behavioral. Poor little sprite!NinaDudes wrote: Nina, are you sure you are not a cat? It makes a lot of sense. This interests me too, because Cotton also has accidents, but mostly when he has been feeling bad. I have attributed much of it to his digestive woes. He's also the pickiest cat I have ever known about his litterbox. He wants it immaculate. Sandy IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was wr! itten to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw
Re: Welcome Rebecca
i love speaking for what our animals might say if they could talk. lol. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Welcome Rebecca Sent: Nov 22 '05 13:49 My dog Chip loved bananas too. One time I left the house and then realized I had forgotten something and went back in, and a whole bunch of bananas was lying on one of the dog beds, and Chip was sort of looking up at the ceiling like I was just standing here looking at the ceiling. Don't know how they got there. Michelle In a message dated 11/22/2005 1:48:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My dogs love bananas too
RE: New Member
I am so glad that you are glad, Sandy! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dudes Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New Member Hideyo, I am so glad you addressed that, because I wondered for Cotton. Sandy - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: RE: New Member Welcome to the list! I am glad that you are able to give him a good home! We have lots and lots of caring and educated people on the list so I hope you will write to us often. My first recommendation is that please DO not give any vaccinations (especially rabies) to this kitty. It is a personal choice. But if you can avoid it, I strongly suggest that you do not vaccinate this kitty. Vaccinations will temporary suppress their immune system, and the suppression could actually trigger any illness that he is not showing right now. Your vet may suggest that it's ok to give since he is asymptomatic, but, I would personally do not want to take a chance - Also, before you neuter him, you might want to run a blood work to make sure that he is in a good condition to go through surgery. I am mainly saying this, because I lost one of my healthiest girl to a spaying surgery.. she was completely healthy, but she died from the surgery. Also, ask your vet to make sure that they only use ISO gas, and not injectable sedatives during the surgery. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:48 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New Member Hello- My name is Rebecca and I am totally new to the cat world. I have some, but not extensive knowledge of cats, and just brought a cat into my home who tested positive for FeLV. I found him outside my office while on my lunchbreak last Thursday. He is perfect (to me)...a sweet, loving, adorable cat. Orange tabby in color. I took him immediately to the vet where a friend of mine works and they did an FeLV/feline aids test on him. He tested pos. for FeLV. The test they did looked somewhat like a home pregnancy test, they put his blood into a little receptacle and waited for the results similar to the way a home pregancy test works. I have been reading and reading about FeLV because I would like to care for him and keep him happy and healthy as long as I can. I know that this disease is fatal, at some point, but don't know enough about it by far and would like to be knowledgable about it if I'm to give him the best care possible that I can. He seems otherwise healthy and is going this saturday to see a vet for vaccines and to be neutered and a general exam of his health. Upon examnining him quickly last thursday at our quick visit, he seemed ok, had a cut/infection in between his toes which I have been treating and giving him Clavomox for any infection. He had diarrhea when I brought him home, which worried me, but it cleared up once he was eating normal food in which I added acidophiolous and digestive enzymes to. He no longer has diarrhea. Other than that, he has had no other visible issues. Has a VERY hearty appetite and asks me to feed him often, begs for food alongside my dogs which just cracks me up. I joined this list to learn as much as possible about this disease, what to expect and what steps to take to keep him healthy as possible. Any advice as to what testing or steps I should take from here are so appreciated. Thank you so much! Regards, Rebecca
RE: need advise: diet for liver problem kitties
I think I am a bit paranoid about milk thistle 2 days after I started giving him milk thistle he almost died,, he was find then.. it probably has nothing to do with it, but he was so fine until then.. my holistic vet also recommended, but I am a bit paranoid (I also used for George for a long time, but he passed away) How about SAMe? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: need advise: diet for liver problem kitties No, ultrasound does not hurt at all. They shave the area and put some gel on it and then just hold the wand of the ultrasound machine on the area. No skin is broken or anything. Cats are not crazy about it because they have to be shaved and held in a funny position for a few minutes, but that's it. Michelle P.S. The other good liver support is milk thistle. In a message dated 11/21/2005 4:10:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont think it is FIP I cannot be sure 100%, but from the blood work, it seems that its one of the other liver diseases you mentioned. Will ultrasound hurt the kitty? I never have done it before.
RE: need advise: diet for liver problem kitties
I think you did sorry I am a bit scattered right now I thing I am going to get some SAMe at a health food store today to see if it will help Garfunkle I feel so fortunate how Garfunkle is doing right now because I really thought I was going to lose him that day, I am taking every day as one day at a time, and I am so loving him like there is no tomorrow every day I have with him (and all the rest of kitties) are a gift to me.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: need advise: diet for liver problem kitties I would be paranoid too in that situation. Plus Simon hated the taste of thistle so I only gave it to him once. Yes, I think I wrote about SAMe before-- did you get that post? Vets sell it marketed as Denasyl to help liver failure, but it is still just SAMe and a lot more expensive. SAMe itself should work fine, but I do not know the dosage. If you look up Denasyl (sp?) online you should be able to find out how much SAMe is in each Denasyl pill for cats and then just give him that amount. Michelle In a message dated 11/22/2005 2:04:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think I am a bit paranoid about milk thistle 2 days after I started giving him milk thistle he almost died,, he was find then.. it probably has nothing to do with it, but he was so fine until then.. my holistic vet also recommended, but I am a bit paranoid (I also used for George for a long time, but he passed away) How about SAMe?
RE: Kerry and Tiger
hmm, one of my sister's kitties was something like that - she was in the box, but her butt wasn'tI'm going to be adding a 2nd box like it to the household and I'm going to devise (or buy) a privacy screen as well, because Smoky is really really sensitive about using the facilities alone. He MUST be alone - he gets really ticked off if he's using the facilities and someone comes in and if someone else is there, he will go somewhere else, because he always waits until the last second because he had to have his butt wiped after every bm for years because of his bloody diarrhea."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb---that's the highest uncovered I've seen. I think I may have to hold out for one like thisbut covered tho--because the covered oneTiger uses now, while not long enough in my view, *is* high at the back -- it's prob also 11"--andgoing bywhat meets my eyes twice-daily when I remove the lid, it's clear the lid is a vital component---vital for (semi-)civilized living at any rate.. Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:36 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Kerry, I just got a new box and it's not covered, but the sides are 11" high (23.4"long and 18.25" wide). Here's a link - I got it at PetsMart, but it's Rubbermaid and should be available at other places.http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132684459350"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went thatroute for about 6 months earlier this! year. As you know it's not acovered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently)right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it awayand went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Which brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without*covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist? I'velooked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Doesanyone know where they can be found?Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and ahalf times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only typereadily available is uncovered.Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated!-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, November 22, ! 2005 12:04 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Kerry and TigerHa! No, I'm not a cat, I just try and think like one, (or a dog, or a bird, or any animal I want to relate too). I think the kitties in my life do think I'm a huge clumsy cat sometimes! Especially when I mimic their vocalizations. I tell them all the time, I'm sorry I'm not as graceful in my movements as they are.Something else that I didn't mention to Kerry... Sometimes cats that are "picky" about their litter, will use a bigger box more reliably. I have a couple of jumbo boxes that I got at Home Depot. They're actuallythe pans that are used for mixing small amounts of cement. They're dirtcheap and they work great for nice big litterboxes. Also, some kitties don't like using a communal litterbox, it is after all a way of marking territory. Adding more boxes, in different locations sometimes helps. If our little man Cotton has ac! cidents only when he's not feeling well, then I don't think it's behavioral. Poor little sprite!NinaDudes wrote: Nina, are you sure you are not a cat? It makes a lot of sense. This interests me too, because Cotton also has accidents, but mostly when he has been feeling bad. I have attributed much of it to his digestive woes. He's also the pickiest cat I have ever known about his litterbox. He wants it immaculate. SandyIRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was wr! itten to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named
RE: Kerry and Tiger
hey, I saw another box that might help you, it's a TOP entry covered box - also helps prevent doggies getting their tootsie roll treats...http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441807400FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132687374032 Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hmm, one of my sister's kitties was something like that - she was in the box, but her butt wasn'tI'm going to be adding a 2nd box like it to the household and I'm going to devise (or buy) a privacy screen as well, because Smoky is really really sensitive about using the facilities alone. He MUST be alone - he gets really ticked off if he's using the facilities and someone comes in and if someone else is there, he will go somewhere else, because he always waits until the last second because he had to have his butt wiped after every bm for years because of his bloody diarrhea."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb---that's the highest uncovered I've seen. I think I may have to hold out for one like thisbut covered tho--because the covered oneTiger uses now, while not long enough in my view, *is* high at the back -- it's prob also 11"--andgoing bywhat meets my eyes twice-daily when I remove the lid, it's clear the lid is a vital component---vital for (semi-)civilized living at any rate.. Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:36 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Kerry, I just got a new box and it's not covered, but the sides are 11" high (23.4"long and 18.25" wide). Here's a link - I got it at PetsMart, but it's Rubbermaid and should be available at other places.http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132684459350"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went thatroute for about 6 months earlier this! year. As you know it's not acovered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently)right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it awayand went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Which brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without*covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist? I'velooked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Doesanyone know where they can be found?Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and ahalf times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only typereadily available is uncovered.Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated!-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, November 22, ! 2005 12:04 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Kerry and TigerHa! No, I'm not a cat, I just try and think like one, (or a dog, or a bird, or any animal I want to relate too). I think the kitties in my life do think I'm a huge clumsy cat sometimes! Especially when I mimic their vocalizations. I tell them all the time, I'm sorry I'm not as graceful in my movements as they are.Something else that I didn't mention to Kerry... Sometimes cats that are "picky" about their litter, will use a bigger box more reliably. I have a couple of jumbo boxes that I got at Home Depot. They're actuallythe pans that are used for mixing small amounts of cement. They're dirtcheap and they work great for nice big litterboxes. Also, some kitties don't like using a communal litterbox, it is after all a way of marking territory. Adding more boxes, in different locations sometimes helps. If our little man Cotton has ac! cidents only when he's not feeling well, then I don't think it's behavioral. Poor little sprite!NinaDudes wrote: Nina, are you sure you are not a cat? It makes a lot of sense. This interests me too, because Cotton also has accidents, but mostly when he has been feeling bad. I have attributed much of it to his digestive woes. He's also the pickiest cat I have ever known about his litterbox. He wants it immaculate. SandyIRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was wr! itten to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or
Re: Dry food
Innova EVO is definitely the closest thing I've found to doing the whole homemade food nightmare (yes, for me that is what it is). Many of us work full time, and don't have the time or will-power to cook for our cats. I always feel judged and looked down on because I DO feed dry kibble, because the homemade diet people can be a bit overbearing about it (just being honest), but it comes down to what's actually WORKABLE for each person individually, and I know if I had to cook or prepare REAL food for my cats, it would quickly become overwhelming (I don't even cook REAL food for myself and my human mate, we eat hamburg helper and tv dinners and pot pies). The EVO does not have any grains and is low carb, that being said, it is high protein and high fat, and WILL make your cats overweight if fed free choice. I DO rotate between it and Innova Lite (which does have grains), because obese cats are not healthy. It's a sacrifice that has to be made to keep the balance. I've had them on Lite for 2 months now, and their weight is really good. I just decided to go back to the EVO this week, my next bag of food will be EVO, and they will stay on that until they become fat again, at which time we will rotate back to the Lite. I do fully support anyone who has the time and energy to make homemade cat food to do so, as I fully agree it is better in most cases, if it is prepared correctly, and is fully supplemented and balanced. It's VERY hard to get it that way though, and involves lot's of measuring and dosing many supplements, and doing lots of math and weighing and stuff I'm not good at myself. Not to mention, I have one cat that wont eat wet food, or homemade food at all, and would rather starve to death than go without his free choice kibble, and would not let me sleep, and would meow nonstop if I took it away from him at any time. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: litterboxes
I once saw one at my local feed store that was HUGE, it was about 20x25, and I thought to myself that would fit a bobcat. I have one VERY large cat, and he uses the average sized ones I have just fine though. He goes in, turns around, and sticks his head out the door and does his business with just his rear in the box. Dogs DO love cat poop, and the only way I have found to keep them out of it is to close the cat box behind a door with a cat door too small for the dogs to get into the room, or to put the boxes up too high for them to reach. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: litterboxes
LOL poor Nina! Lots of throw blankets are the key, cover everything! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: litterboxes
Cats often avoid the covered litterboxes ... holds in the smell and they don't like that either. Some like life roomier. Could you put up a pet gate to the room where the litter boxes are so the pooch cannot have snacks? Del - Original Message - From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:20 AM Subject: litterboxes I was reading about covered litterboxes. What size are the largest that come with a cover? Does anyone have problems with their dog thinking cat poop is an appetizer? I've heard that lots of dogs are intrigued by cat poo. Ew. Don't know what would make them attracted to it. Ew again. I'll try to find a bigger covered litterbox if you know the dimensions of the largest one you know of so far. ;) Rebecca
RE: Kerry and Tiger
Title: Message Bought *and* returned that one, Barb! No one wanted anything to do with it! You'd have thought I was trying to put Katyis in the bath when I tried to show him how to use it. Screamed his little furry head off. Surprised the police didn't show up. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:23 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and Tiger hey, I saw another box that might help you, it's a TOP entry covered box - also helps prevent doggies getting their tootsie roll treats... http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441807400FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132687374032 Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, one of my sister's kitties was something like that - she was in the box, but her butt wasn't I'm going to be adding a 2nd box like it to the household and I'm going to ! devise (or buy) a privacy screen as well, because Smoky is really really sensitive about using the facilities alone. He MUST be alone - he gets really ticked off if he's using the facilities and someone comes in and if someone else is there, he will go somewhere else, because he always waits until the last second because he had to have his butt wiped after every bm for years because of his bloody diarrhea."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb---that's the highest uncovered I've seen. I think I may have to hold out for one like thisbut covered tho--because the covered oneTiger uses now, while not long enough in my view, *is* high at the back -- it's prob also 11"--andgoing bywhat meets my eyes twice-daily when I remove the lid, it's clear the lid is a vital component---vital for (semi-)civilized living at any rate.. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:36 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Kerry, I just got a new box and it's not covered, but the sides are 11" high (23.4"long and 18.25" wide). Here's a link - I got it at PetsMart, but it's Rubbermaid and should be available at other places. http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132684459350 "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went thatroute for about 6 months earlier this! year. As you know it's not acovered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently)right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it awayand went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Wh! ich brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without*covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist? I'velooked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Doesanyone know where they can be found?Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and ahalf times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only typereadily available is uncovered.Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated!-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, November 22, ! 2005 12:04 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Kerry and TigerHa! No, I'm not a cat, I just try and think like one, (or a dog, or a bird, or any animal I want to relate too). I think the kitties in my! life do think I'm a huge clumsy cat sometimes! Especially when I mimic their vocalizations. I tell them all the time, I'm sorry I'm not as graceful in my movements as they are.Something else that I didn't mention to Kerry... Sometimes cats that are "picky" about their litter, will use a bigger box more reliably. I have a couple of jumbo boxes that I got at Home Depot. They're actuallythe pans that are used for mixing small amounts of cement. They're dirtcheap and they work great for nice big litterboxes. Also, some kitties don't like using a communal litterbox, it is after all a way of marking territory. Adding more boxes, in different locations sometimes helps. If our little man Cotton has ac! cidents only when he's not feeling well, then I don't think it's behavioral. Poor little sprite!NinaDudes wrote: Nina, are you sure you are not a cat? It makes a lot of sense. This
RE: litterboxes
Wow, I could live in that box myself. (Never seen one that size.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: litterboxes I once saw one at my local feed store that was HUGE, it was about 20x25, and I thought to myself that would fit a bobcat. I have one VERY large cat, and he uses the average sized ones I have just fine though. He goes in, turns around, and sticks his head out the door and does his business with just his rear in the box. Dogs DO love cat poop, and the only way I have found to keep them out of it is to close the cat box behind a door with a cat door too small for the dogs to get into the room, or to put the boxes up too high for them to reach. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005 hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: New Member
Aww, he's a pretty orange boy! (everyone here knows I'm a nut for that color) Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: Welcome Rebecca
LOL, yeah ask Michelle how gross opening a cat of meat based cat food or tuna is for her! She's very descriptive about how much meat grosses her out. :-)~ I used to be vegetarian for a while, but got lazy, and hamburg helper is about all we eat these days unless it come in a microwavable carton. They don't make easy quick vegetarian foods out of a box... which is too bad, because that makes me continue to be a meat eater. If it involves more than one pot... I'm not cooking it. Anyways, we're all very tolerate of the vegans here, and try to understand their point of view. I think you'll feel very welcomed here! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: Welcome Rebecca
I'm living in Vermont now. I pay $34 for a 16 pound bag of the Innova Evo here, and $28 for a 16.5 pound bag of the Innova Lite. I never buy small bags, so I'm not sure about the prices of those, though $11 sounds within reason, as you always pay more if you buy in smaller amounts. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
RE: Welcome Rebecca
Ha--I think it's vegans that need to be tolerant of the rest of us :) (Wish I had what it takes---I almost hosted a vegan TH this year but it fell apart this am---however the friends whose house I'm going to will *not* be having turkey on the table) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Welcome Rebecca LOL, yeah ask Michelle how gross opening a cat of meat based cat food or tuna is for her! She's very descriptive about how much meat grosses her out. :-)~ I used to be vegetarian for a while, but got lazy, and hamburg helper is about all we eat these days unless it come in a microwavable carton. They don't make easy quick vegetarian foods out of a box... which is too bad, because that makes me continue to be a meat eater. If it involves more than one pot... I'm not cooking it. Anyways, we're all very tolerate of the vegans here, and try to understand their point of view. I think you'll feel very welcomed here! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005 hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Kerry and Tiger
Laughing my tail off here my boys have never had a covered box and I've never used liners - I have no idea how they would react to one but can just imagine! I mean, for that to be a truly viable option, it would have to have an exhaust fan"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bought *and* returned that one, Barb! No one wanted anything to do with it! You'd have thought I was trying to put Katyis in the bath when I tried to show him how to use it. Screamed his little furry head off. Surprised the police didn't show up. Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:23 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and Tiger hey, I saw another box that might help you, it's a TOP entry covered box - also helps prevent doggies getting their tootsie roll treats...http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441807400FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132687374032 Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hmm, one of my sister's kitties was something like that - she was in the box, but her butt wasn'tI'm going to be adding a 2nd box like it to the household and I'm going to ! devise (or buy) a privacy screen as well, because Smoky is really really sensitive about using the facilities alone. He MUST be alone - he gets really ticked off if he's using the facilities and someone comes in and if someone else is there, he will go somewhere else, because he always waits until the last second because he had to have his butt wiped after every bm for years because of his bloody diarrhea."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb---that's the highest uncovered I've seen. I think I may have to hold out for one like thisbut covered tho--because the covered oneTiger uses now, while not long enough in my view, *is* high at the back -- it's prob also 11"--andgoing bywhat meets my eyes twice-daily when I remove the lid, it's clear the lid is a vital component---vital for (semi-)civilized living at any rate.. Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:36 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Kerry, I just got a new box and it's not covered, but the sides are 11" high (23.4"long and 18.25" wide). Here's a link - I got it at PetsMart, but it's Rubbermaid and should be available at other places.http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132684459350"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went thatroute for about 6 months earlier this! year. As you know it's not acovered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently)right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it awayand went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Wh! ich brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without*covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist? I'velooked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Doesanyone know where they can be found?Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and ahalf times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only typereadily available is uncovered.Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated!-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, November 22, ! 2005 12:04 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Kerry and TigerHa! No, I'm not a cat, I just try and think like one, (or a dog, or a bird, or any animal I want to relate too). I think the kitties in my! life do think I'm a huge clumsy cat sometimes! Especially when I mimic their vocalizations. I tell them all the time, I'm sorry I'm not as graceful in my movements as they are.Something else that I didn't mention to Kerry... Sometimes cats that are "picky" about their litter, will use a bigger box more reliably. I have a couple of jumbo boxes that I got at Home Depot. They're actuallythe pans that are used for mixing small amounts of cement. They're dirtcheap and they work great for nice big litterboxes. Also, some kitties don't like using a communal litterbox, it is after all a way of marking territory. Adding more boxes, in different locations sometimes helps. If our little man Cotton has ac! cidents only when he's not feeling well, then I don't think it's behavioral. Poor little sprite!NinaDudes wrote: Nina, are you sure you are not a cat? It makes a lot of sense. This interests me too, b! ecause Cotton also has accidents, but mostly when he has
RE: Kerry and Tiger
How funny! I have a couple of those here at my house where they squat (?) so seriously and their legs are definitely in the box, but their butt is not.I am looking from a distance and hate to interrupt them since they look so serious and after they are done,,, though their poops are obviously not in the box, but they try to cover it anyway they are just so silly sometimes.. and I just love them! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Laughing my tail off here my boys have never had a covered box and I've never used liners - I have no idea how they would react to one but can just imagine! I mean, for that to be a truly viable option, it would have to have an exhaust fan MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bought *and* returned that one, Barb! No one wanted anything to do with it! You'd have thought I was trying to put Katyis in the bath when I tried to show him how to use it. Screamed his little furry head off. Surprised the police didn't show up. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Kerry and Tiger hey, I saw another box that might help you, it's a TOP entry covered box - also helps prevent doggies getting their tootsie roll treats... http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441807400FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132687374032 Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, one of my sister's kitties was something like that - she was in the box, but her butt wasn't I'm going to be adding a 2nd box like it to the household and I'm going to ! devise (or buy) a privacy screen as well, because Smoky is really really sensitive about using the facilities alone. He MUST be alone - he gets really ticked off if he's using the facilities and someone comes in and if someone else is there, he will go somewhere else, because he always waits until the last second because he had to have his butt wiped after every bm for years because of his bloody diarrhea. MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb---that's the highest uncovered I've seen. I think I may have to hold out for one like thisbut covered tho--because the covered oneTiger uses now, while not long enough in my view, *is* high at the back -- it's prob also 11--andgoing bywhat meets my eyes twice-daily when I remove the lid, it's clear the lid is a vital component---vital for (semi-)civilized living at any rate.. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Kerry, I just got a new box and it's not covered, but the sides are 11 high (23.4long and 18.25 wide). Here's a link - I got it at PetsMart, but it's Rubbermaid and should be available at other places. http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132684459350 MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went that route for about 6 months earlier this! year. As you know it's not a covered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently) right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it away and went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Wh! ich brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without* covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist? I've looked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Does anyone know where they can be found? Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and a half times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only type readily available is uncovered. Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, November 22, ! 2005 12:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Kerry and Tiger Ha! No, I'm not a cat, I just try and think like one, (or a dog, or a bird, or any animal I want to relate too). I think the kitties in my! life do think I'm a huge clumsy cat sometimes! Especially when I mimic their vocalizations. I tell them all the time, I'm sorry I'm not as graceful in my movements as they are. Something else that I didn't mention to Kerry... Sometimes cats that are picky about their
Re: Welcome Rebecca
Welcome to the group "Rebecca" sorry you had to find us this way. I'm on the west coast in WA. state north of Seattle. I'm sure your finding out all kinds of information here. I want to say that I lurk but still and try read all the postings. I send many good wishes to your kitty. The kitty is very lucky to have you! Bless you for caring! Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
RE: Kerry and Tiger
Title: Message Liners---bought/used 'em once only. The mini-monstersduly scraped holesalong the length and breadth of it, which of course I couldn't see cos they were covered by the litter. So, gravity being what it is, all the litter simply spewed onto the carpet when I lifted up the liner. So, I've always wondered *who* actually buys liners? (Ahcould it be these deletive expletive people who declaw??) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:29 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Laughing my tail off here my boys have never had a covered box and I've never used liners - I have no idea how they would react to one but can just imagine! I mean, for that to be a truly viable option, it would have to have an exhaust fan"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bought *and* returned that one, Barb! No one wanted anything to do with it! You'd have thought I was trying to put Katyis in the bath when I tried to show him how to use it. Screamed his little furry head off. Surprised the poli! ce didn't show up. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:23 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and Tiger hey, I saw another box that might help you, it's a TOP entry covered box - also helps prevent doggies getting their tootsie roll treats... http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441807400FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132687374032 Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, one of my sister's kitties was something like that - she was in the box, but her butt wasn't I'm going to be adding a 2nd box like it to the household and I'm going to ! devise (or buy) a privacy screen as well, because Smoky is really really sensitive about using the facilities alone. He MUST be alone - he gets really ticked off if he's! using the facilities and someone comes in and if someone else is there, he will go somewhere else, because he always waits until the last second because he had to have his butt wiped after every bm for years because of his bloody diarrhea."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb---that's the highest uncovered I've seen. I think I may have to hold out for one like thisbut covered tho--because the covered oneTiger uses now, while not long enough in my view, *is* high at the back -- it's prob also 11"--andgoing bywhat meets my eyes twice-daily when I remove the lid, it's clear the lid is a vital component---vital for (semi-)civilized living at any rate.. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:36 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Kerry, I just got a new box and it's not covered, but the sides are 11" high (23.4"long and 18.25" wide). Here's a link - I got it at PetsMart, but it's Rubbermaid and should be available at other places. http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132684459350 "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went thatroute for about 6 months earlier this! year. As you know it's not acovered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently)right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it awayand went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Wh! ! ich brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without*covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist? I'velooked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Doesanyone know where they can be found?Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and ahalf times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only typereadily available is uncovered.Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated!-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, November 22, ! 2005 12:04 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Kerry and TigerHa! No, I'm not a cat, I just try and think like
RE: Kerry and Tiger
Title: Message I think those were invented by people who actually never had cats themselves. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Liners---bought/used 'em once only. The mini-monstersduly scraped holesalong the length and breadth of it, which of course I couldn't see cos they were covered by the litter. So, gravity being what it is, all the litter simply spewed onto the carpet when I lifted up the liner. So, I've always wondered *who* actually buys liners? (Ahcould it be these deletive expletive people who declaw??) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Laughing my tail off here my boys have never had a covered box and I've never used liners - I have no idea how they would react to one but can just imagine! I mean, for that to be a truly viable option, it would have to have an exhaust fan MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bought *and* returned that one, Barb! No one wanted anything to do with it! You'd have thought I was trying to put Katyis in the bath when I tried to show him how to use it. Screamed his little furry head off. Surprised the poli! ce didn't show up. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Kerry and Tiger hey, I saw another box that might help you, it's a TOP entry covered box - also helps prevent doggies getting their tootsie roll treats... http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441807400FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132687374032 Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, one of my sister's kitties was something like that - she was in the box, but her butt wasn't I'm going to be adding a 2nd box like it to the household and I'm going to ! devise (or buy) a privacy screen as well, because Smoky is really really sensitive about using the facilities alone. He MUST be alone - he gets really ticked off if he's! using the facilities and someone comes in and if someone else is there, he will go somewhere else, because he always waits until the last second because he had to have his butt wiped after every bm for years because of his bloody diarrhea. MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb---that's the highest uncovered I've seen. I think I may have to hold out for one like thisbut covered tho--because the covered oneTiger uses now, while not long enough in my view, *is* high at the back -- it's prob also 11--andgoing bywhat meets my eyes twice-daily when I remove the lid, it's clear the lid is a vital component---vital for (semi-)civilized living at any rate.. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Kerry, I just got a new box and it's not covered, but the sides are 11 high (23.4long and 18.25 wide). Here's a link - I got it at PetsMart, but it's Rubbermaid and should be available at other places. http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132684459350 MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went that route for about 6 months earlier this! year. As you know it's not a covered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently) right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it away and went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Wh! ! ich brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without* covers. But the same length of litter box *with* covers seems not to exist? I've looked in Foster and Smith catalogues too---nothing there either. Does anyone know where they can be found? Considering you're supposed to provide a box that's at least one and a half times the length of the cat I find this odd--that the only type readily available is uncovered. Any info on finding a loong covered litter box appreciated! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, November 22, ! 2005 12:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Kerry and Tiger Ha! No, I'm not a cat, I just try and think like one, (or a dog, or a bird, or any
RE: Kerry and Tiger
Title: Message I will add that my positives, even when I had all 6 of them, have *never* had a problem with *any* of their litterboxes. (The only time I ever had to clean up was when poor Snoball got diarrhea, and he always tried hard to get to the box but just cdn't make it in time.) It's the negs who are prima donnas. Kerry =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: litterboxes
I had never seen one that size either, it was really HUGE. It's since sold, I'm not sure if they can order more or not. I wish now that I had gotten the brand name off of it. If I see another one there like that in the future, I'll take notes of it's brand for you. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: Dry food/Nina~IBD
Patti, have they been tested for Trichomonosis? I've had several cases of that here recently. If you vet needs more info (since it's not well known yet) he/she can call my vet to inquire about the testing and treatment. It's all still very new. It's uncommon in cats but leads to loose stools that do NOT respond to ANY other treatment. It requires a special specific test kit that JUST came out to the market. I have a suspicion that many cats diagnosed as IBD may actually have Trich. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Liners
i do i do! I bought them and so far...no problems. He hasn't clawed at them. but then again i seem to have the perfect cat...LOL. ;) (they're all perfect!) and no way in he** is he declawed. I have a comic strip i should post here regarding that. Hugs Rebecca ---Original Message--- From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Kerry and Tiger Sent: Nov 22 '05 15:45 Liners---bought/used 'em once only. The mini-monsters duly scraped holes along the length and breadth of it, which of course I couldn't see cos they were covered by the litter. So, gravity being what it is, all the litter simply spewed onto the carpet when I lifted up the liner. So, I've always wondered *who* actually buys liners? (Ahcould it be these deletive expletive people who declaw??) -Original Message- FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ON BEHALF OF Barb Moermond SENT: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:29 PM TO: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org SUBJECT: RE: Kerry and Tiger Laughing my tail off here my boys have never had a covered box and I've never used liners - I have no idea how they would react to one but can just imagine! I mean, for that to be a truly viable option, it would have to have an exhaust fan _MACKENZIE, KERRY N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]_ wrote: Bought *and* returned that one, Barb! No one wanted anything to do with it! You'd have thought I was trying to put Katyis in the bath when I tried to show him how to use it. Screamed his little furry head off. Surprised the poli! ce didn't show up. Kerry -Original Message- FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ON BEHALF OF Barb Moermond SENT: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:23 PM TO: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org SUBJECT: RE: Kerry and Tiger hey, I saw another box that might help you, it's a TOP entry covered box - also helps prevent doggies getting their tootsie roll treats... [LINK: http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp? PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441807400FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C %3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132687374032] http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp? PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441807400FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C %3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132687374032 _BARB MOERMOND [EMAIL PROTECTED]_ wrote: hmm, one of my sister's kitties was something like that - she was in the box, but her butt wasn't I'm going to be adding a 2nd box like it to the household and I'm going to ! devise (or buy) a privacy screen as well, because Smoky is really really sensitive about using the facilities alone. He MUST be alone - he gets really ticked off if he's! using the facilities and someone comes in and if someone else is there, he will go somewhere else, because he always waits until the last second because he had to have his butt wiped after every bm for years because of his bloody diarrhea. _MACKENZIE, KERRY N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]_ wrote: Thanks Barb---that's the highest uncovered I've seen. I think I may have to hold out for one like this but covered tho--because the covered one Tiger uses now, while not long enough in my view,*is* high at the back -- it's prob also 11--and going by what meets my eyes twice-daily when I remove the lid, it's clear the lid is a vital component---vital for (semi-)civilized living at any rate.. Kerry -Original Message- FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ON BEHALF OF Barb Moermond SENT: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:36 PM TO: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org SUBJECT: RE: Kerry and Tiger Kerry, I just got a new box and it's not covered, but the sides are 11 high (23.4long and 18.25 wide). Here's a link - I got it at PetsMart, but it's Rubbermaid and should be available at other places. [LINK: http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp? PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C %3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132684459350] http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp? PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033739ASSORTMENT%3C %3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1132684459350 _MACKENZIE, KERRY N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]_ wrote: FUnny you should mention the Home Depot cement mixer Nina---I went that route for about 6 months earlier this! year. As you know it's not a covered box; what happened was Tiger did his business (consistently) right at one end of the box and frequently spilled over. I threw it away and went back to the biggest covered box I could find. Wh! ! ich brings me to a Q that's been puzzling me for ages. There is plenty of choice of long litter boxes in pet stores *without*
OT - WV shelter fire, fosters needed NOW
Please cross-post widely!it's dogs, but. -- Forwarded message -- From: Judy Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Nov 22, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: [MRTX] Fwd: EMERGENCY! - WV: MASON CO SHELTER IS ON FIRE! - GAS EXPLOSION!! To: Mich Dog Rescue [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mich Rescue United [EMAIL PROTECTED], "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Just FYI, this is a very poor rural shelter and they have worked so hard to keep it going - now this disaster.11/22/05 approximately 3:00 pm I just got calls from Sally Missy and I'm pretty hysterical at the moment, so sorry if this is rambling. The shelter is burning. Gas valve blew, explosion, building extremely damaged, probably a complete loss. Cats and dogs are dead. Danielle (shelter manager) is out alive but has suffered smoke inhalation (from going back in to rescue animals) and is on her way to the hospital. Her own cats died in the fire. As far as I know the rest of the staff got out ok. Shelter phone is dead. Danielle has been able to reach Sally via another phone, but I don't have the number. Sheriff, fire, ambulance are all at the shelter now. Phone calls are coming in fast and furious as I'm writing this...updating along the way. Hope it all makes sense. Some dogs are out alive...running loose. Not sure how many because they were just letting out whatever dogs they could reach and they're now running loose. Will be rounded up later. Early estimate is maybe 50-60 dogs were pulled out. I just spoke to Derrick. They're rounding them up now. He's ok physically, emotionally a wreck. He's called in friends to come and take dogs to emergency foster. The recycling center has offered to hold some dogs for us too. Missy is on her way down there now. Emergency foster homes are needed NOW!!! ALL of the cats are dead...they couldn't get to the cat room. Puppies are probably all dead...they couldn't get through the smoke to the puppy room to save them. Some dogs are dead, not all, no idea who got out out. They got them out fast. Just opened kennels and pushed them outside. WOWK TV was there at the time doing an interview. The furnace installation guy and the woman doing the interview were burned. Please pray for them. All remaining animals MUST get out to rescue ASAP. There's NO WHERE to put them! No building to use. Maybe some outdoor pens, but that's about it. Rescues, HELP HELP HELP Sue Potter is going down there this weekend to do a transport back up through PA to CT. Anyone who can rescue or foster, please contact Missy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (@aol.com). Missy is headed to the shelter now and may not be online for awhile, so please copy Sally at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (yahoo.com) and Robin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (aol.com) if you can offer any assistance.Please pray for everyone involved. These people have worked so hard to try to make a difference for the animals in Mason County and they keep suffering setback after setback. From what I've heard via the first hurried phone calls is that it appears the building is a complete loss. Missy thinks the outside kennels are still usable. http://masoncounty.petfinder.com TrishBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: Dry food/Nina~IBD
Thanks for the info. I completely forgot about clostridium.(DUH!!) Feeling st_p*d. That was something that came up at shelter. I remember we had to order the injectable Tylan (Tylosin) when we had an outbreak with our ferals.. I will call vet tomorrow and ask her to please check stools again I just feel so bad for the girls, they are the sweetest babies. I want them to be healthy. If I do not get satisfaction w/ my usual vet, I'll have the wonderful vet that does my low cost spay/neuters send stool samples out for diagnosisHmmm, I just might do that anyway, cause his charge for fecals sent to lab(he did fecals for Thomas Timothy), are LESS than in-house at my vet...(As I ramble on once again) Thanks for the advice! Patti
RE: New Member
Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list. That really is difficult, and tugs at my heart. My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never thrived, poor baby. When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out . He was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he died. I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine for the URI. 250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in. I use powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral syringe to squirt it in the mouth. Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get interpreted fully. For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't show up on the blood test. You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've used Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases. Someone suggested Zithromax. I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't become dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids. Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a test(s) for that. I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't thrive, that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about helping them thrive. Best of luck, Gloria At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get better soon! -Original Message- Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby kitty is having a difficult time. One thing I would like to ask is that, could you post the blood work on the post? I really would like to take a look at it myself and read it. Especially TP and A/G ratio. If TP is high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you about another viral disease. If you haven't done already, you might want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows. Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much. Henry died after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill - baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the reaction from it. Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs, rough coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him within 72 hours. They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very fatal. One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet says. You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to your kitty no matter how safe they say it is. Otherwise you would be paying for it. A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am not surprised if your kitty has it, too. Does she have a fever? The only concern I have is that she may have dry form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and ask for help. They have many many educated people also who is expert in symptoms of FIP, and they can tell you also what they think. Regardless, if your kitty is eating, and you feel that she is not in pain, don't listen to your vet to put her down. I recently had a situation where my kitty was very close to death, and did not give up and a miracle happened and he came back. Regardless whatever she has (whether it's FIP or not). Don't' ever give up a hope. Everyday is a gift you have with her. Please treasure and fight with her (looks like you have the attitude already - :) - at FIP yahoo list, there are hundreds of people who live with FIP cats and continue to fight with their furry babies. And, regardless whatever it is, we are here for you. I am hoping that it's not FIP. But I would really like to get a copy of the blood work. Ask your vet to fax to you. Also if the blood work was sent to idexx before, they can just make a phone call to add FIP/corona virus IFA titer test so that they won't have to draw another sample of blood. The meantime, I am forwarding the link to dr. addie's website http://www.dr-addie.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hd cc Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New Member I have tested my kitty and no FIV or FELV or anything like that, but I was told you guys are the smartest people around when it comes to cats and kittens with problems. Heres mine! Sasha is 3 months old, she was fine, but then never really looked right, straggly and just not a healthy kitty, thin hair but did play and run and was alot of fun. Now she has URI, which is getting better and better, but since getting it she has really gone down hill, She is always warm, when you touch her she feels warm, and now sometimes her 3rd eyelids
Mix of subjects
Firstly - Yes when people were kindly offering advice about nutrition and recipees for liver shakes etc - I was struggling with cans of fish - at arms length wrapping kitchen roll around it so I didn't get fish oil on me. My cats had to take medication in ready cooked sliced chicken because I can't handle it. I'd be in tears if I had to cook it. If it's sliced and diced I can just tolerate at arms length. If it looks like a bird or animal still or has blood then I can't touch it and can't cook it. I am ok emptying a pouch of cat food but not much more - hopelessLOL. Secondly - Thanks Jenn for mentioning again the dangers of revolution. If it hadn't been for all the help with Bramble over the revolution case then I wouldn't have got the last two months of his life with him. It certainly did nearly end his life earlier than need be. Thirdly - Thanks all for stories of cat poo and dogs pinching bananas - i have been giggling away at these creatures looking so innocent but doing what they want.Animals are so amazing. Finally - has anyone ever used the Dog Appeasing Ferimones. We just got one for our dog Candy. Since we lost Gemma she has been showing signs of anxiety and just startedurinating at night in the kitchen which is not like her at all. She is constantly attention seeking too - gemma was the boss so I think Candy is now a little confused as her place in the pack has been shaken up. It's about 4 weeks since Gemma died and Candy still has the odd look around for her. just wondered if anyoe had used with their dogs and how long they took to work. Michelle, Minstrel, buddy Angel Bramble
Re: New Member/Jenn
In a message dated 11/22/05 2:48:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aww, he's a pretty orange boy! (everyone here knows I'm a nut for that color Hey Jenn!! My little 3-leggedstray girl that was HBC is an absolutely stunning orange baby!(Pulling at your heart strings???) LOL Patti
Re: Welcome Rebecca
In a message dated 11/22/05 2:58:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and hamburg helper is about all weeat these You can substitute Morningstar Farms Burger Crumbles for the ground beef
Re: Welcome Rebecca
In a message dated 11/22/05 3:13:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ha--I think it's vegans that need to be tolerant of the rest of us :)(Wish I had what it takes---I almost hosted a vegan TH this year but itfell apart this am---however the friends whose house I'm going to will*not* be having turkey on the table) Kerry, That's a kind observation And, one year I had my family to my house for Thanksgiving mainly because I was tired of them thinking I lived on tofu bean sprouts, so I wanted to set the record straight.( My Dad always worried, said I was "too thin" so I "couldn't be eating right".) It was a huge success, everyone I think, was "surprised" that there were so many options AND that the food itself was delicious. However, that was over 10 years ago and it was the last Thanksgiving Dinner I hosted for my family.(Their "excuse" is always, "We miss the leftover turkey."Whatever...LOL!) So, I will have Tofurkey, and share my dinner with Midnight. Patti
Re: Dry food/Jenn~Trich
In a message dated 11/22/05 4:22:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: have they been tested for Trichomonosis Jenn, Thanks for that info. I definitely will also ask about that when I call tomorrow, or drop off another fecal. I've heard of trichomonosis, but not in cats. It does make sense that they could get it too. Gosh, all this clostridium, trich stuff is bringing back memories (nightmares) of dealing with the spirochete epidemic we had at the shelter. That was a nightmare!! The only treatment the cats responded to was Erythromycin, and that had to be special ordered or compounded, and it was just a horrible ordeal! And, spirochetes are zoonatic, and I ended up sicker than anything ~ diagnosis:spirochetes!! After I got it I REALLY felt bad for the cats, cause at 105 lbs., I felt like I was going to die, I couldn't even imagine what a 7-8 lb. cat would feel like! Gosh, this retirement (disability, actually) has really kept me from being in the "loop".. I am so glad this list is here, you guys are great with keeping UTD with such important information!! Thanks again, and I'll let you know how the girls make out...and I just might need that information also! Hugs, Patti
Re: Liners/Rebecca
In a message dated 11/22/05 5:01:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i do i do! YIKES!!! Yet ANOTHER common thing!!!
Re: New Member
I have her on pedialite, took her off antibiotics (they werent helping) and have taken her to 3 vets, one suspects FIP, the other say its not FIP, and the 3rd gave her the pennicilan shot that she had the reaction to. So no one knows whats wrong...its really weird I will let you know this blood work tomarrow I will get it. Also you asked about a fever, no fever, just warm and her tummy though it looks like an fip tummy, it is not, but it fools vets into thinking so, because its bloaty looking, but it has always looked like this, I think just a shubby baby, thats all - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: New Member Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list. That really is difficult, and tugs at my heart. My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never thrived, poor baby. When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out . He was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he died. I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine for the URI. 250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in. I use powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral syringe to squirt it in the mouth. Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get interpreted fully. For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't show up on the blood test. You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've used Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases. Someone suggested Zithromax. I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't become dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids. Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a test(s) for that. I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't thrive, that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about helping them thrive. Best of luck, Gloria At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get better soon! -Original Message- Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby kitty is having a difficult time. One thing I would like to ask is that, could you post the blood work on the post? I really would like to take a look at it myself and read it. Especially TP and A/G ratio. If TP is high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you about another viral disease. If you haven't done already, you might want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows. Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much. Henry died after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill - baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the reaction from it. Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs, rough coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him within 72 hours. They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very fatal. One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet says. You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to your kitty no matter how safe they say it is. Otherwise you would be paying for it. A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am not surprised if your kitty has it, too. Does she have a fever? The only concern I have is that she may have dry form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and ask for help. They have many many educated people also who is expert in symptoms of FIP, and they can tell you also what they think. Regardless, if your kitty is eating, and you feel that she is not in pain, don't listen to your vet to put her down. I recently had a situation where my kitty was very close to death, and did not give up and a miracle happened and he came back. Regardless whatever she has (whether it's FIP or not). Don't' ever give up a hope. Everyday is a gift you have with her. Please treasure and fight with her (looks like you have the attitude already - :) - at FIP yahoo list, there are hundreds of people who live with FIP cats and continue to fight with their furry babies. And, regardless whatever it is, we are here for you. I am hoping that it's not FIP. But I would really like to get a copy of the blood work. Ask your vet to fax to you. Also if the blood work was sent to idexx before, they can just make a phone call to add FIP/corona virus IFA titer test so that they won't have to draw another sample of blood. The meantime, I am forwarding the link to dr. addie's website
RE: Kerry and Tiger/Liners
Title: Message Now, I stand corrected Patti!! I totally agree: declawing should be illegal. (I'd never heard of such a thing until I came to the US.) Any cat that finds a home with you, Patti, is one very fortunate cat. Would that it were the norm, instead of the exception. hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:35 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Kerry and Tiger/Liners Kerry, Actually,I use liners. The shelter gets a million of them donated, and can't use them. So they've been handed off to me. And, since I do have 3 declawed cats (Puma- rescued from a KILL shelter after his owner died, 14 at the time), and Cornelius (a 20+ lb. Maine Coon) Buster (a 22+ lb. Maine Coon X). Cornelius Buster are in Witness ProtectionProgram for cats. They were both smuggled out of vet's office (where I was working) when the one vet absolutely refused to euthanize them. And guess why they were brought in for euthanasia? FOR IMPROPER ELIMINATION (In plain English, owners said they weren't using the litter box) Gee, I wonder why?? Could it be because they were missing their claws And, perhaps theses boys were fastidious creatures, who wanted a clean box to "do their business"??? Yep, these boys were both turned in within a month of each other, by different owners, both stating that "They'd done EVERYTHING POSSIBLE, but could not stop these cats from going wherever they wanted". Turns out, both boys had slight UTIs when surrendered. Also, thanks to a compassionate vet, their lives were spared. All it took was ABs to clear up the UTI, and once "home" with me,and each was provided with a "large" litter pan. I started out using Yesterdays News (soft) sprinkled with catnip. Eventually did away with catnip, and now they actually make LOUD noises,"scratching" when they're doing their "thing" ~ they want me to see them praise them, which I do. (Originally, I was fostering them until I could find them homes. But, when I DID place them in a home, woman called me after a week 'cause they were hiding under her (claw-foot) bath tub. Actually, was GLAD to get them back, both had FLEAS and poor Cornelius had bald spots from flea allergy AND stress-induced over grooming!! Poor babiesI decided they'd had too much stress in their lives, the rest is history.) WHY CAN'T PEOPLE SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING WHEN THEY DECLAW THEIR CATS IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!! Soothat's my story about using liners. (And truthfully, they do make litter-box maintenance a breeze. However, I don't think I'd purchase them, and probably will never have to. I have about a million boxes of them) Patti =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Questions haunting us please help
We just lost our cat to feline leuk cancer, that was only discovered because of a bacterial infection that didn't heal. We have questions that still haunt, and wishing we'd tested and treated him as a kitten. He died at 3 and a half. We found him in our parking lot around age. 8 or 12 weeks. Probably beating myself up over it, but i still want to know the truth so the following questions persist : if the virus is passed from mother in utero/nursing, is the infection more likely to be in the bone marrow ? I read that these cats tend to live only 2 or 3 years, ie. lesser lifespan than acquiring the infection after birth . If passed in utero, does it start off in the blood and become more persistent andpermanent infection later or is it already entrenched ? I've also just heard from humane society the tests are even less accurate before 6 months of age. By what age is the infection then accurately detected ? by elisa or ifa. How many cats, as in a percentage, go negative using immuno regulin or interferon ? If these drugs worked, are they just expensive ? or are the stories on the net the 'success' stories only ?or is the spontaneous clearing of virus in some cats due to unknown factors ? Grateful, Lynne __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
Re: photo of Brooklyn
He looks like my Siggie! =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: veggiepugs To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: Re: New Member Actually, DUH I have links to Brooklyn's Photos I can share...I forgot...http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1284.JPGhttp://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1283.JPGhttp://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1282.JPGhttp://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1281.JPGand here's my doggies website...http://www.linusnlucy.comenjoy!-Rebecca
Re: litterboxes
ROFLMAO! Terri - Original Message - From: veggiepugs To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: litterboxes yeah except kissing is out of the question for a good several hours. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: litterboxes Sent: Nov 22 '05 13:26 In a message dated 11/22/05 12:20:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have problems with their dog thinking cat poop is an appetizer Yepmy Lucy! I told you she'd eat anything!! I think her "kitty-cracker" consumption added to the problems with her weight! Ugh!!! is right. ( I STILL love her!) Patti
Re: litterboxes
Absolutely for me - my dogs think it's just for them. Gloria At 11:20 AM 11/22/2005, you wrote: I was reading about covered litterboxes. What size are the largest that come with a cover? Does anyone have problems with their dog thinking cat poop is an appetizer? I've heard that lots of dogs are intrigued by cat poo. Ew. Don't know what would make them attracted to it. Ew again. I'll try to find a bigger covered litterbox if you know the dimensions of the largest one you know of so far. ;) Rebecca
Re: New Member
oh my, I just read an article, Im not even sure what made me think of it, but I gave her revolution about a month ago, and the adverse reactions are tremors and stiffness, is there a chance this is it? I just bathed her incase, and if so what can be done for her at this point from it? I am looking at all options of what went wrong and where and it appears this one matched, carrie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: New Member Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list. That really is difficult, and tugs at my heart. My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never thrived, poor baby. When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out . He was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he died. I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine for the URI. 250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in. I use powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral syringe to squirt it in the mouth. Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get interpreted fully. For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't show up on the blood test. You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've used Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases. Someone suggested Zithromax. I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't become dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids. Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a test(s) for that. I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't thrive, that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about helping them thrive. Best of luck, Gloria At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get better soon! -Original Message- Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby kitty is having a difficult time. One thing I would like to ask is that, could you post the blood work on the post? I really would like to take a look at it myself and read it. Especially TP and A/G ratio. If TP is high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you about another viral disease. If you haven't done already, you might want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows. Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much. Henry died after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill - baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the reaction from it. Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs, rough coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him within 72 hours. They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very fatal. One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet says. You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to your kitty no matter how safe they say it is. Otherwise you would be paying for it. A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am not surprised if your kitty has it, too. Does she have a fever? The only concern I have is that she may have dry form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and ask for help. They have many many educated people also who is expert in symptoms of FIP, and they can tell you also what they think. Regardless, if your kitty is eating, and you feel that she is not in pain, don't listen to your vet to put her down. I recently had a situation where my kitty was very close to death, and did not give up and a miracle happened and he came back. Regardless whatever she has (whether it's FIP or not). Don't' ever give up a hope. Everyday is a gift you have with her. Please treasure and fight with her (looks like you have the attitude already - :) - at FIP yahoo list, there are hundreds of people who live with FIP cats and continue to fight with their furry babies. And, regardless whatever it is, we are here for you. I am hoping that it's not FIP. But I would really like to get a copy of the blood work. Ask your vet to fax to you. Also if the blood work was sent to idexx before, they can just make a phone call to add FIP/corona virus IFA titer test so that they won't have to draw another sample of blood. The meantime, I am forwarding the link to dr. addie's website http://www.dr-addie.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hd cc Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New
Re: photo of Brooklyn
Siggie...omg that is such a cute name. Hi Siggie! ---Original Message--- From: Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: photo of Brooklyn Sent: Nov 22 '05 21:35 He looks like my Siggie! =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! [LINK: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/] http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My Personal Page: [LINK: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350] http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - FROM: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] veggiepugs TO: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] felvtalk@felineleukemia.org SENT: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:50 AM SUBJECT: Re: New Member Actually, DUH I have links to Brooklyn's Photos I can share...I forgot... [LINK: http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1284.JPG] http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1284.JPG [LINK: http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1283.JPG] http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1283.JPG [LINK: http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1282.JPG] http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1282.JPG [LINK: http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1281.JPG] http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1281.JPG and here's my doggies website... [LINK: http://www.linusnlucy.com] http://www.linusnlucy.com enjoy! -Rebecca
new here
Hello all- My cat Lola, age 8 months, tested positive for FeLV today via Elisa testing after being taken in for what looked like a nasty URI. Her symptoms seem to be responding fairly well to antibiotics...she is eating and drinking at her normal rate, she is using the box, she is breathing fine now (though the breathing was labored pre-Clavamox) and her temperature is normal (she only had a fever at the vet, which seems kind of expected...she hates the vet). She is still a bit sluggish and is showing only intermittent interest in her toys, though this is better than it was when the URI like symptoms started. X-Rays showed some fluid buildup in her thorasic cavity, but since being injected with a diuretic, a lot less fluid can be heard and her breathing is much improved. She is and always has been a petite, delicate framed cat. She was found severely emaciated as an orphan and has never fully filled out. She tested negative for FeLV twice in earlier kittenhood. I guess what I'm asking is now that these are her symptoms, is what can I expect and what options do I have? The vet I took her to says that once they start showing the symptoms, most owners choose to put the cat down because the prognosis isn't great, but he didn't seem too horrified when I told him that she is obviously not suffering too much right now since she is eating and mobile and so euth isn't even an option at this point. I'm willing to do anything for her...any combination of things, traditional and holistic. We are going into our regular vet on Monday, so I want to know what research to present and what to request that we try. I know vets can be weird about things like this since it has a 'terminal nature. I'm hopeful- probably too hopeful- that we can stabilize her, diminish her suffering and hopefully lengthen her life. Thank you for all of your help Allie
Re: new here
Allie, Welcome to the list. You'll find these people very educated in Felv and lots of help when it comes to treating the disease. They are also the best when you need a friend, things can sometimes be up and down with these guys. Since my Baby C passed I will leave the medical advise to those treating it now. High quality foods and all natural supplements are the way to go. You and your furkid are in my thoughts and in my prayers. see our available orphans at:http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.htmlKaren 817-453-4888
Re: Dry food/Jenn~Trich
Here's the info my vet gave to me when we discovered we had it here: Trichomonosis in cats According to Dr S. Marks of UC-Davis School of Veterinary Medicine: Tritrichomonas foetus, the primary causative agent of bovine trichomoniasis, has recently been recognized as a protozoal [intestinal] pathogen in cats. One study showed a high prevalence in cat show and cattery animals. Often misdiagnosed as Giardia, T. foetus infected cats treated with an appropriate Giardia therapy do not respond. Clinical signs of Tritrichomonas foetus include chronic or re-occurring diarrhea. Often the anus is red, swollen, and painful, and fecal incontinence is not uncommon. Most cats are usually bright, alert, and responsive, and in good body condition with a normal appetite. T. foetus can be found in cats not showing clinical signs. InPouchTF (Biomed Diagnostics, White City, Oregon) is a test developed to identify Tritrichomonas foetus in cows, but can be used in a veterinary hospital setting to test cats for the protozoa. This is the test we used to confirm Pharaohs diagnosis. InPouch TF has shown a 90% rate of sensitivity to the protozoa, a six-fold increase over trying to diagnosis this protozoa via a microscopic examination of fecal material. Tritrichomonas foetus is not considered to be zoonotic (transmissible to people) but as it can affect cows and pigs, anyone with these animals and a cat with chronic diarrhea has cause for concern. At the time Dr. Marks wrote his presentation, no treatment options were available. By June of this summer (2005), after many drug trials had been unsuccessful, Ronidazole was showing promise in research trials. Once diagnosed with Tritrichomonas foetus, Ronidazole is the drug currently being tested for use in cats. This is an off-label use of the drug and is not guaranteed to be a treatment. Dosing being used by researchers is 30-50mg/kg orally once every 12 hours for 14 days. However, research has not yet decided if this is the optimal dose. Ronidazole is produced by SIGMA Pharmaceuticals. It must be kept frozen. Currently it is a relatively reasonably priced drug this may change in the future. It is important to know that recovered cats can remain infected. Periods of stress do seem to play a strong role in recurrence of clinical signs. The most sensitive test for Tritrichomonas foetus is a PCR of DNA extracted from feces with a 97%+ sensitivity to the protozoa. This test is only performed at the veterinary laboratory at North Carolina State University. A lima bean sized amount of feces must be placed in 5-10ml of rubbing alcohol for proper stabilization of the sample in preparation for testing. Sources Update of Feline Gastrointestinal Neoplasia, S. L. Marks, BVSc., PhD, Diplomate ACVIM (Internal Medicine, Oncology), Diplomate ACVN, lecture notes, North American Veterinary Conference Postgraduate Institute 2005 Advances in Feline Medicine, Orlando FL. Personal notes, P. J. Yankauskas, VMD, Hyde Park VT Personal consultation, P. J. Yankauskas, VMD, Hyde Park VT Their phone number, if you need to call for more info is 802-888-7911, and you cantell themthat Jennifer O'Guin referred you to them about Trich diagnosis and treatments. Thye should be able to give you (or your vet) all the needed info. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: Kerry and Tiger
So, I've always wondered *who* actually buys liners? (Ahcould it be these deletive expletive people who declaw??) Ahh, and now it finally all makes sense... in a sick and repugnant sort of way. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: Dry food/Jenn~Trich
Thanks Jenn! I printed that out and intend to take a fecal to vet tomorrow, along with this info. and some I printed on clostridium. I really need to find out what's going on with these girls. Ronidazole...never heard of it. Is there another name for it, like Flagyl (Brand) for metronidizole(generic) Or is it a new drug??? Learn something new everyday here. Invaluable list. Thanks again, Patti and The Pooping Purr-Balls
Trich.
Just doing some online reading and I just read an article on a study of 118 cats32% tested positive for trichomonosis!! This was just last summer. How frightening is that??!! Jenn, you were right on the money about how it is "misdiagnosed". Scary, scary stuff... Patti
Re: New Member
Sounds like she may have been poisoned and gotten permanently damaged from it, or it could be seizures caused by any number of things. Let me forward your post to the handicats2 group, they have lot's of experience with brain issues there, and something you said might strike a cord with some of them. I'll let you know what they say. Does she always stagger and look off balance, or is she fine, and then it happens, and then goes away? Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: New Member
It is possible it's a bad reaction to Revolution. I'm constantly appalled that vets PRESCRIBE the stuff to cats that are ill, weak, or unthrifty, as it CLEARLY states on the label that it's NOT for use in weak, underweight, or unthrifty cats. At this point, I think it should be pretty much clear of her system. Washing doesn't help after the first 3 days, because it's a drug that absorbs THROUGH the skin, and it would already be in the bloodstream in that time. Lots of fluids may help clear it from her system faster, make sure she's drinking plenty, and offer wet food if she'll accept it. I would definitely NOT use the vet that prescribed Revolution to a weak cat, as that's pure incompetence. I'm not saying that IS her problem, but it IS definitely a possibility, and the effects could be permanent if that is the problem. My first though on your description of her symptoms WAS poisoning, and Revolution is a POISON, and is clearly not intended for use on weak cats. Did all of this begin to happen AFTER you used the Revolution? None of the stiffness or seizures BEFORE you used it? if so, you definitely need to report it as an adverse reaction. I can help you with that if you are sure it was the revolution that caused it. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: New Member/Jenn
My boyfriend specifically said to me several times this past month "NO MORE CATS!". That means housecats, the ferals wont be in "his" space so that's OK. I tend to agree with him, 6 really is my maximum number in this apartment, any more would tend towards "hoarding". Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: Questions haunting us please help
Feline Leukemia is not a cancer, it's a virus, much like HIV in humans. Some cats with FELV do develop cancer, but it's NOT Leukemia like you think of when you hear the word. Test results are never 100%, but it's generally accepted that any maternal antibodies that linger from prenatal/nursing are gone by 8 months of age. If they test positive at 8 months, and at retest at one year old, then it's fairly sure that they actually HAVE FELV. That doesn't necessarily mean they have it for life, some cats do mount a successful immune response and later test negative. 3 years is a good life span for a kitten who was born with the virus. Many of use have lost them at 18 months old or younger, though some DO live natural life spans. Interferon does work, it may not always clear the virus (to make them test negative), but it clearly supports the immune system, and keeps them from catching other things that commonly lead to death in FELV+ cats. cats do NOT die from FELV, they die from catching other things because the FELV makes their immune system weak (just like HIV and AIDS in humans). It is not expensive, unless you buy it purpose labeled. You can get your own vet to order a vial of the human Interferon-Alpha, and dilute it in house in an IV bag of saline, and it's VERY cheap that way. I paid $15 for my plentiful supply that resulted from one vial of the Interferon-A (my girl died before I even used 1/4 of it). What, exactly, did your baby die of? Mine died of Anemia... I chose not to transfuse, but to let her go. Next time, I will fight harder. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
Re: Kerry and Tiger/Liners
In a message dated 11/22/05 8:48:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any cat that finds a home with you, Patti, is one very fortunate cat Kerry, My cats are probably "behind" the appearance of all the strays showing up here... They probably can communicate in a "mysterious, secret language of cats", getting the word out just as "mysteriously" to the tattered toms throw-aways.. "HEY, NEED A WARM PLACE TO STAY SOME REALLY GOOD FOOD? C'MON OVER TO OUR HOUSE. MOM'S A REAL SOFTIE, SHE CAN NEVER SAY NO TO A CAT." Yep, I can just see the little imps. They all are really clever cats Hugs, Patti and The Clever Cats and The Poopy Purr Balls
Re: Dry food/Jenn~Trich
Love this info! Diagnosis Diagnosis of T foetus infection is usually quite straightforward. The organism exists in the intestine as small, motile trophozoites, and these can be detected under the microscope. For optimum results, fresh faeces should be examined, and if any mucus has been passed with the faeces this is the most likely place to find the organisms. Two other diagnostic tests are available which are both more sensitive and specific for this organism. Firstly, the organism can be cultured from faecal samples using a system developed for diagnosis in cattle. The In Pouch tm TF' test (BioMed Diagnostics, Oregon , USA ) uses a liquid culture system in a sterile plastic pouch. The other test that can be used is PCR (polymerase chain reaction) a sophisticated test that can detect the presence of the genetic material of the organism. Entire article found here: (A good reference, IMO) http://www.fabcats.org/tritrichomonas.html Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the info my vet gave to me when we discovered we had it here: Trichomonosis in cats According to Dr S. Marks of UC-Davis School of Veterinary Medicine: Tritrichomonas foetus, the primary causative agent of bovine trichomoniasis, has recently been recognized as a protozoal [intestinal] pathogen in cats. One study showed a high prevalence in cat show and cattery animals. Often misdiagnosed as Giardia, T. foetus infected cats treated with an appropriate Giardia therapy do not respond. Clinical signs of Tritrichomonas foetus include chronic or re-occurring diarrhea. Often the anus is red, swollen, and painful, and fecal incontinence is not uncommon. Most cats are usually bright, alert, and responsive, and in good body condition with a normal appetite. T. foetus can be found in cats not showing clinical signs. InPouchTF (Biomed Diagnostics, White City, Oregon)is a test developed to identify Tritrichomonas foetus in cows, but can be used in a veterinary hospital setting to test cats for the protozoa. This is the test we used to confirm Pharaoh's diagnosis. InPouch TF has shown a 90% rate of sensitivity to the protozoa, a six-fold increase over trying to diagnosis this protozoa via a microscopic examination of fecal material. Tritrichomonas foetus is not considered to be zoonotic (transmissible to people) but as it can affect cows and pigs, anyone with these animals and a cat with chronic diarrhea has cause for concern. At the time Dr. Marks wrote his presentation, no treatment options were available. By June of this summer (2005), after many drug trials had been unsuccessful, Ronidazole was showing promise in research trials. Once diagnosed with Tritrichomonas foetus, Ronidazole is the drug currently being tested for use in cats. This is an 'off-label' use of the drug and is not guaranteed to be a treatment. Dosing being used by researchers is 30-50mg/kg orally once every 12 hours for 14 days. However, research has not yet decided if this is the optimal dose. Ronidazole is produced by SIGMA Pharmaceuticals. It must be kept frozen. Currently it is a relatively reasonably priced drug - this may change in the future. It is important to know that recovered cats can remain infected. Periods of stress do seem to play a strong role in recurrence of clinical signs. The most sensitive test for Tritrichomonas foetus is a PCR of DNA extracted from feces with a 97%+ sensitivity to the protozoa. This test is only performed at the veterinary laboratory at North Carolina State University. A lima bean sized amount of feces must be placed in 5-10ml of rubbing alcohol for proper stabilization of the sample in preparation for testing. Sources Update of Feline Gastrointestinal Neoplasia, S. L. Marks, BVSc., PhD, Diplomate ACVIM (Internal Medicine, Oncology), Diplomate ACVN, lecture notes, North American Veterinary Conference Postgraduate Institute 2005 - Advances in Feline Medicine, Orlando FL. Personal notes, P. J. Yankauskas, VMD, Hyde Park VT Personal consultation, P. J. Yankauskas, VMD, Hyde Park VT Their phone number, if you need to call for more info is 802-888-7911, and you can tell them that Jennifer O'Guin referred you to them about Trich diagnosis and treatments. Thye should be able to give you (or your vet) all the needed info. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for
Re: Dry food/Jenn~Trich
It's a brand new drug, it's actually still considered experimental, that's why I think your vet will have to call mine and get the info directly from them. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
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That IS a great link, thanks, I will add that to my webpage! I added the info to my sig too... now it's REALLY long, LOL! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Trichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005
