Re: Shakiti Update
Even yarn will do it. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt adored eating rubberbands---can you imagine the problems they would cause If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: gwork To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Shakiti Update OH MY GOODNESS!!! I almost could not read to the end, I was so uptight. But I am so glad for you I'm sure everyone knows this, but just in case, also keep Christmas tinsel away. Part of the problem with floss is that it's, many times, mint-flavored and the cats love that mint. Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: Shakiti Update As soon as the vet got in from lunch - I called him. They had been watchingShakiti all afternoon and given him peroxide as an emetic...but no sign of dental floss. We discussed theprospects of surgery.He said he really hated to do unnecessary surgery - but on the other hand didn't want to putShakiti's health and lifeatrisk.I told him I really did not know what would be best for my boy and he said that he would be willing for me to watch him a day or two. He felt that if Shakiti made it through Friday without any problems - he would probably be ok. I told them I would be there in a bit and that I would stay up all night with him if necessary. I said prayers all the way there. When I got there, I expected to just pay the bill - get my boy and go- butthey called me back into a room and said, 'Elizabeth, we have a problem'. My heart sank. I think it stopped beating. I could feel the tears starting to burn. *graphic description alert* In a bit, the doctor and the vet tech came out with a folded towel. They opened up the towel and therewere a number ofspots of bright red blood along about an 8 inch streakthat Shakitihad regurgitated. They told methe blood was a bad sign. They said - all day we have been watching for Shakiti to throw up and nothing...but while you were on the way here, he started to vomit. Well...I looked at it carefully...and the vet tech looked at it carefully...and then we both looked right at each other andsaid 'Wait a minute! What's that?!?' What was it? Just a big wad of dental floss. The doctor got some tweezers and it stretched out nearly 2 feet! *end graphic content* Oh my goodness -- you can't imagine the waves of relief and the change in my face, the doctor's face and the vet tech's face. It was the whole piece - unbroken. The doctor believes now that the blood must have been from retching the foul thing up -- he said that is not uncommon in cats. They wanted to keep the baby overnight but I made 'big eyes' and said, 'Couldn't I take him home and watch over him?' -- I just know that I would watch and baby him like crazy and spoil him rottenwhile they would have to leave him overnight. They agreed. They gave him a steroid shot to decrease any inflammation and some demerol for pain and discomfort. I am to watch for any further signs of vomiting or if he hides like he feels badand tomorrow I can start him on canned food if he feels ok. He is being a perfect angel and he has forgiven me completely. He's staring into space happy as a clam with his demerol buzz. Everytime I tell him how good he is - he smiles at me and purrs. Oh! And the great news is the Shakiti tested negative for FeVL today. His shots are up to date and as soon as he feels better he canwreak havoc and pester Tiffany just like good ol' times. Mama Kitty still looks great -- although I've got to have a little discussion with her about the headless baby bunny gift she left for me this afternoon. Thanks for being there you guysyou rock. p.s. Always, always flush your floss. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006
Re: o/t advice needed
I may have misread but I thought I saw that a litter box and food was in the same room for Kitty. In either case, cats don't like to eat too close to a litter box (would you want to eat close to an outhouse??) My Kitty had to adjust when Dixie Louise moved in. They work it out. Luckily both of them have excellent manners. I agree with the post using containers for mixing cement or anything that adds space to a litter box. That is why I use the Rubber Maid boxes (plus the height which is very helpful with older or male cats). I haven't seen the cement boxes but will check them out. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed thank you thank you again Marylyn. A Q-- Kitty may not like her litter box in the same area as her litter box unless this has always been the setup did you mean as Danny's litter box (Danny only arived a couple of weeks ago)---just want to clarify before I fwd to B! thanks, Kerry - Original Message - From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed I would put the litter boxes as far away from each other as possible. Kitty may not like her litter box in the same area as her litter box unless this has always been the setup. I strongly urge the use of Feliway. Some of the larger stores carry it and a lot of vets do. I have never had any luck with the kind you plug in, just the spray on. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:41 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below. Also a rundown of what she's now doing (but before she got the latest tips from you wonderful people). D'you think she really *should* be putting each litterbox in a different room. (It also sounds like she still has just the 2 boxes.) Many thanks to everyone again. Kerry Hi Kerry, Would you please send everyone my heartfelt THANKS for all the good advice?! This is wonderful. So far I've done Separate litterboxes; Rescue Remedy in his water and a drop on his paw; 15 minutes of play time every night; sitting with him and reading or watching TV; he is starting to respond to my calling his name. He also knows when he's NOT supposed to do something when I say his name, like jumping on the dining table. Danny has claimed the living room and has his own dark, quiet corner between the couch and book shelf, lined with a catnip mat, where he can cuddle and feel safe; he's VERY curious and has checked out every inch of my apartment so far, likes to sit in the living room windows and watch the birds. He is starting to get a hang of our routine - meowing for food when I get up in the morning, petting time when I do exercise in the living room in the morning (this time is just for him). Meowing for treats and food when I get home from work. Kitty gets lots of attention, sleeps with me and I make sure to talk to her as much as possible. I try to keep as much of our old routine as possible. She get holistic animal medical drops Jealousy in her water. She has retreated into the bedroom 90% of the time and I make a point to bring her into the kitchen with me for interaction, so I can spend more time with her. She is very nervous and anxious and will absolutely not let Danny near her (she has never allowed any other cat near her). If Danny comes near, she gets very aggressive, growls and the chases him away, screeching. Danny is confused by this. He wants to make contact and, I think, play. She is afraid to use her litterbox because Danny is around. I will not put her litterbox and food in the bedroom because I don't want to separate everything! Kitty has NEVER wanted to go outside and now she constantly tries to run out the back door when I'm going out to water the plants. Seems like she does not want to be in the same place as Danny. I will use the other tips
Re: o/t advice needed
You can put the lids on but no cat I have had liked having an enclosed litter box. Keeps the odors in and I think makes them feel trapped (many of my cats started life on the streets and that may influence their feelings). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:34 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Are these lid-less, Marylyn? (She may feel safer with lids) - Original Message - From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Please tell her the Rubbermaid or generic is a lot less expensive than regular litter boxes. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Hey Kerry, Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress. It does sound like his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and Kitty in making the transition. I think she's a bit crazy if she's still being stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes though! I'd go out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't have to be nervous about using her litterbox). I've been known to strewn them all over the house. I've found that if someone is having accidents, (territorially motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near the mishap, they end up using it instead of the floor or wall. Tell her to watch her geriatric Kitty very closely, what a terrible turn of events that would be if she dashed out the door and something happened to her before she adjusted to her new brother. Hugs, Nina Kerry MacKenzie wrote: A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006
Re: o/t advice needed
Try the 18 quart Rubber maid box or a knock off. They are so high the cat can't overspray. you may need to cut out a small piece for a doorway but cut it high to help with the kicking out of litter. They work and, at $4 or so, are a lot cheaper than most litter boxes. The bottoms are not flat but I have no problem cleaning them with a metal scope. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:38 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed You're right--great value. I bought one of these for Tiger but it was no good for him--he just went to the end and continued to pee over the side! Now, for him, I use the highest regular litter box I can get, with lid (never been able to find *long* one with lid). - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Kerry, It sounds like space is an issue for your friend, but I've bought those big tubs they sell at Home Depot for mixing small batches of cement to use as litterboxes when aversion is a problem. They're really cheap and most cats like the added space they afford. Nina Marylyn wrote: Please tell her the Rubbermaid or generic is a lot less expensive than regular litter boxes. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006
FIV infected Kitten
I have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. Any advise??
re: about ants
I use an organic orange cleaner for my kitchen counters and other areas, besides being a great cleaner and making the house smell nice, it seems to really deter ants. Now they sell the orange cleaner in store brands so it's not more expensive than regular cleaner.
Re: Everybody's talent
Hubby works his behind off so I can be home with the furkids all day and do free websites for animal rescues. Mostly customizing their petfinder sites, I also do a website for one of my yahoo talk groups. A few of my animal rescue clients have their own domains and I design and maintain their websites also. I have a few paying clients and own and run a small web hosting company. I don't really make any money but I break even on the hosting company so that's all that matters. I work with about 30 rescue groups, thank goodness they don't all update on a regular basis or I'd be in big trouble, as it is I'm so far behind now with the website updating that it's really hard to keep up and it's going to take me awhile to get caught up if I ever do. Looking for a hobby??!! I'm working on a new site that is dedicated to Bailey my sweet positive that I lost in May. I haven't really had time lately to do much with it. If anyone would like to contribute an article or some good links for info, please send them, Or if you'd like to send your positives story/stories and photos I would really love it (there's a form right on the site where you can submit your story and photos)!! FeLVPositiveFelines.org http://FeLVPositiveFelines.org Well back to work ... -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Shakiti Update
Oh yes, I forgot about these - good thinking!, and also, twist ties! Anything of the like, really. Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:50 AM Subject: Re: Shakiti Update Even yarn will do it. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt adored eating rubberbands---can you imagine the problems they would cause If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: gwork To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Shakiti Update OH MY GOODNESS!!! I almost could not read to the end, I was so uptight. But I am so glad for you I'm sure everyone knows this, but just in case, also keep Christmas tinsel away. Part of the problem with floss is that it's, many times, mint-flavored and the cats love that mint. Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: Shakiti Update As soon as the vet got in from lunch - I called him. They had been watchingShakiti all afternoon and given him peroxide as an emetic...but no sign of dental floss. We discussed theprospects of surgery.He said he really hated to do unnecessary surgery - but on the other hand didn't want to putShakiti's health and lifeatrisk.I told him I really did not know what would be best for my boy and he said that he would be willing for me to watch him a day or two. He felt that if Shakiti made it through Friday without any problems - he would probably be ok. I told them I would be there in a bit and that I would stay up all night with him if necessary. I said prayers all the way there. When I got there, I expected to just pay the bill - get my boy and go- butthey called me back into a room and said, 'Elizabeth, we have a problem'. My heart sank. I think it stopped beating. I could feel the tears starting to burn. *graphic description alert* In a bit, the doctor and the vet tech came out with a folded towel. They opened up the towel and therewere a number ofspots of bright red blood along about an 8 inch streakthat Shakitihad regurgitated. They told methe blood was a bad sign. They said - all day we have been watching for Shakiti to throw up and nothing...but while you were on the way here, he started to vomit. Well...I looked at it carefully...and the vet tech looked at it carefully...and then we both looked right at each other andsaid 'Wait a minute! What's that?!?' What was it? Just a big wad of dental floss. The doctor got some tweezers and it stretched out nearly 2 feet! *end graphic content* Oh my goodness -- you can't imagine the waves of relief and the change in my face, the doctor's face and the vet tech's face. It was the whole piece - unbroken. The doctor believes now that the blood must have been from retching the foul thing up -- he said that is not uncommon in cats. They wanted to keep the baby overnight but I made 'big eyes' and said, 'Couldn't I take him home and watch over him?' -- I just know that I would watch and baby him like crazy and spoil him rottenwhile they would have to leave him overnight. They agreed. They gave him a steroid shot to decrease any inflammation and some demerol for pain and discomfort. I am to watch for any further signs of vomiting or if he hides like he feels badand tomorrow I can start him on canned food if he feels ok. He is being a perfect angel and he has forgiven me completely. He's staring into space happy as a clam with his demerol buzz. Everytime I tell him how good he is - he smiles at me and purrs. Oh! And the great news is the Shakiti tested negative for FeVL today. His shots are up to date and as soon as he feels better he canwreak havoc and pester Tiffany just like good ol' times. Mama Kitty still looks great -- although I've got to have a little discussion with her about the headless baby bunny gift she left for me this afternoon. Thanks for being there you guysyou rock. p.s. Always, always flush your floss. No
Re: o/t advice needed
Yes, I have experienced this (not liking an enclosed box) some, too. Not all of my cats, but particularly Spaz. For me, having the high walls also encouraged them (the males) to go on ahead and spray even more. My cats have been FAR less likely to spray (except for the Spaz issue) if the box is not near any wall of any kind (hard to do sometimes, for sure!). Kris http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:58 AM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed You can put the lids on but no cat I have had liked having an enclosed litter box. Keeps the odors in and I think makes them feel trapped (many of my cats started life on the streets and that may influence their feelings). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:34 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Are these lid-less, Marylyn? (She may feel safer with lids) - Original Message - From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Please tell her the Rubbermaid or generic is a lot less expensive than regular litter boxes. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Hey Kerry, Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress. It does sound like his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and Kitty in making the transition. I think she's a bit crazy if she's still being stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes though! I'd go out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't have to be nervous about using her litterbox). I've been known to strewn them all over the house. I've found that if someone is having accidents, (territorially motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near the mishap, they end up using it instead of the floor or wall. Tell her to watch her geriatric Kitty very closely, what a terrible turn of events that would be if she dashed out the door and something happened to her before she adjusted to her new brother. Hugs, Nina Kerry MacKenzie wrote: A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006
Re: Everybody's talent
In a message dated 6/21/2006 8:35:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ok - way too much about me...what do you guys do besides be incredible kitty parents? Did the rodeo circuit when younger I was a professional barrel racer and horse trainer. Was a long haul truckdriver for 15 years. Got burned out became a animal rescuer fulltime and transporter. My husband drives locally and is union member. Thank god because of his pay it enables me to pay for some of the high costs of veterinary care for rescues. He is a giant marshmellow when it comes to animals. So my whole life has been around animals since birth and will be until I die. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WAhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: about ants
Thanks! I read that citrus cleaners are good, too. I'm going to hunt some up next time I'm out. Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: re: about ants I use an organic orange cleaner for my kitchen counters and other areas, besides being a great cleaner and making the house smell nice, it seems to really deter ants. Now they sell the orange cleaner in store brands so it's not more expensive than regular cleaner.
Re: FIV infected Kitten
Hello! From what I've read about FIV, it's very rare for a mother to pass on the virus directly to her kittens (unlike FeLV). I would definitely have her retested in a few months and wouldn't be surprised if she turned up negative. But FIV is not like FeLV in that cats with FIV usually live long, asymptomatic lives. I also wouldn't worry about mixing your positive and negative...the virus can only be transmitted by a deep bite wound (typically seen with un-neutered, feral males who fight each other). I don't think you'll have any problem with the little one! ;) I don't know much about the vaccine only that subsequent FIV testing on a vaccinated cat can come up positive because of the vaccine. Either way, I think your older guy will be just fine...FeLV is considered more contagious than FIV and I've mixed my FeLV guys with my non-FeLV guys and no one has ever turned up positive. Bless your heart for caring for the little one! What is her name? Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:44 am Subject: FIV infected Kitten To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. Any advise??
Re: Everybody's talent
Cool!! I will be checking it out! Sounds like you definitely work your behind off, too :) It restores some of my faith and respect in mankind when I learn about people like you. A lot of people don't care that much. Kris http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: Re: Everybody's talent Hubby works his behind off so I can be home with the furkids all day and do free websites for animal rescues. Mostly customizing their petfinder sites, I also do a website for one of my yahoo talk groups. A few of my animal rescue clients have their own domains and I design and maintain their websites also. I have a few paying clients and own and run a small web hosting company. I don't really make any money but I break even on the hosting company so that's all that matters. I work with about 30 rescue groups, thank goodness they don't all update on a regular basis or I'd be in big trouble, as it is I'm so far behind now with the website updating that it's really hard to keep up and it's going to take me awhile to get caught up if I ever do. Looking for a hobby??!! I'm working on a new site that is dedicated to Bailey my sweet positive that I lost in May. I haven't really had time lately to do much with it. If anyone would like to contribute an article or some good links for info, please send them, Or if you'd like to send your positives story/stories and photos I would really love it (there's a form right on the site where you can submit your story and photos)!! FeLVPositiveFelines.org http://FeLVPositiveFelines.org Well back to work ... -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: FIV infected Kitten
There are indeed people who have had their kitties come back as negative later on. I'm sure you will hear from them, too. In addition, even if your kitty does stay positive, there are many kitties who have relatively few health problems and live for years. Personally, I would keep the cats separated for now until your older one is tested and vaccinated, just to be on the safe side. But I don't think they need to be separated forever by any means. I think the vaccination would definitely be sufficient protection to allow them to be together. Is your kitten displaying any symptoms, or is it healthy? Everyone on this list will have great suggestions for helping boost your kitten's immune system. I myself am just learning a lot of this, too, so will leave it to the pros to direct you. But, just to give you one example, my cat Spaz was not diagnosed with leukemia until she was 8 years old. I had gotten her and her sister, Gizmo, when they were about 9 weeks old. At the time of Spaz's diagnosis, I also had gotten two more kittens about 10 months prior. All were mixing and mingling, eating out of same dishes, etc. until this diagnosis. NONE of the other cats tested positive. We vaccinated them and let them remingle. That's been nearly 6 years ago!! Spaz is quite healthy, by the way. Runs around like a kitten sometimes. I did come very close to losing her twice, and one not-so-good upper resp. infection, but otherwise, just little things that could happen to any cat, and most of the time has been as if she wasn't positive at all. Of course, the doctors simply cannot understand why she has lived so long. But it is because I didn't give up before it was really her time. So I hope that eases your mind and gives you some hope. There will be much other positive support headed your way, I'm sure. You have come to the right place! Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:44 AM Subject: FIV infected Kitten I have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. Any advise??
Re: Everybody's talent Brenda's Party
Hi, I have a website my mother, Brenda Smith and I created. We feature artists that do cat or dog art. If you would like, email me some pictures and I will see if it fits on our site. In the meantime you could look at the site and see if you would be interested www.whiskersandwicks.com BTW, we will be celebrating Brenda K. Smith's life this Saturday at 6 p.m. here in Herbster, Wi. For all of you who knew and loved her, I knew you would like to know. Maybe make a toast that evening, and think of her loving allof our beloved kitties that have gone to the bridge. No need for all to respond, I will just know you will be thinking of her and us. Love Janine On Wed Jun 21 22:35 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: If I decide to do this -- I'll call you to be my manager! :0) Phelix, the alpha male of my house, was born with only one eye...and he is large and in charge. I keep wanting to do some children's books about 'Phelix the one-eyed wonder kitty'...I suppose the underlying theme being that just because someone looks or seems different - they are still very neat and special with their own talents. Another children's book might be the story of Redoute Robin...that I documented a few years ago: The Story of Redoute Robin - page 1 ok - way too much about me...what do you guys do besides be incredible kitty parents? In a message dated 6/21/2006 7:32:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh my dear, you have a calling. I can see why you'd be reluctant to give up your daytime job if it pays the rent well, but I can't help feel that you should be working full time on your art! I'm itching to help you promote it. It might not ever be as lucrative, (then again, who knows?), but the benefits to you and the rest of our sometimes dreary world might just be worth it. I think everyone should do their best to incorporate their passion into their livelihood, if they did, the world would be a kinder place. Have you ever thought of framing them and offering them for sale? You could display the originals and then sell prints. Is your vet an upscale sort of place? Maybe you could start by putting some in local restaurants and/or your vet's office. You could sell them at charitable events/auctions... Hmm... let me think about this! Nina If I could do anything I wanted to for a living - I would do cat portraits. Sadly though - I live alone with 8 cats so I'm the only one paying the bills (plus, the kitties like to surf the web and use my credit cards when they aren't sneaking the car out to go joy riding). I have to have a senseofstability and security...so I am biding my time in a high pressure position that requires absolutely nothing artistic or creative and makes me wish I had a valium IV.
Re: Shakiti Update
No one should have to go thru this. Mai Mai (a beautiful dog who chose to live with me) swallowed a rag. Luckily she threw it up but all the heaving caused problems. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: gwork To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Shakiti Update Oh yes, I forgot about these - good thinking!, and also, twist ties! Anything of the like, really. Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:50 AM Subject: Re: Shakiti Update Even yarn will do it. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt adored eating rubberbands---can you imagine the problems they would cause If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: gwork To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Shakiti Update OH MY GOODNESS!!! I almost could not read to the end, I was so uptight. But I am so glad for you I'm sure everyone knows this, but just in case, also keep Christmas tinsel away. Part of the problem with floss is that it's, many times, mint-flavored and the cats love that mint. Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: Shakiti Update As soon as the vet got in from lunch - I called him. They had been watchingShakiti all afternoon and given him peroxide as an emetic...but no sign of dental floss. We discussed theprospects of surgery.He said he really hated to do unnecessary surgery - but on the other hand didn't want to putShakiti's health and lifeatrisk.I told him I really did not know what would be best for my boy and he said that he would be willing for me to watch him a day or two. He felt that if Shakiti made it through Friday without any problems - he would probably be ok. I told them I would be there in a bit and that I would stay up all night with him if necessary. I said prayers all the way there. When I got there, I expected to just pay the bill - get my boy and go- butthey called me back into a room and said, 'Elizabeth, we have a problem'. My heart sank. I think it stopped beating. I could feel the tears starting to burn. *graphic description alert* In a bit, the doctor and the vet tech came out with a folded towel. They opened up the towel and therewere a number ofspots of bright red blood along about an 8 inch streakthat Shakitihad regurgitated. They told methe blood was a bad sign. They said - all day we have been watching for Shakiti to throw up and nothing...but while you were on the way here, he started to vomit. Well...I looked at it carefully...and the vet tech looked at it carefully...and then we both looked right at each other andsaid 'Wait a minute! What's that?!?' What was it? Just a big wad of dental floss. The doctor got some tweezers and it stretched out nearly 2 feet! *end graphic content* Oh my goodness -- you can't imagine the waves of relief and the change in my face, the doctor's face and the vet tech's face. It was the whole piece - unbroken. The doctor believes now that the blood must have been from retching the foul thing up -- he said that is not uncommon in cats. They wanted to keep the baby overnight but I made 'big eyes' and said, 'Couldn't I take him home and watch over him?' -- I just know that I would watch and baby him like crazy and spoil him rottenwhile they would have to leave him overnight. They agreed. They gave him a steroid shot to decrease any inflammation and some demerol for pain and discomfort. I am to watch for any further signs of vomiting or if he hides like he feels badand tomorrow I can start him on canned food if he feels ok.
Re: Bandy and metacam
Kerry, I used metacam on my elderly cat Priss, and it helped her tremendously. She was nota positive though. We also use it for my mom's dog Otis and it has helped a lot. Janine On Wed Jun 21 20:03 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: My Ginger is the only one I have heard of getting a temp afterwards. Patches didn't, and no one else's cats seem to have. But it is listed as a possible side effect. It lasted for about an hour and gave her chills, but then her fever went lower than it had been before the shot. Most cats do not have any reaction. Also, I gave her a whole ml at a time. I also used metacam for Ginger when her dental surgery was done, and another similar drug for Patches after her dental surgery. No problems, though they also seemed to work less than the narcotic shot I gave patches some of the days. I think it was called buporphenol or something. Worked better. Michelle In a message dated 6/21/2006 1:24:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bandy's vet wants to give him metacam for the leg problem..I remember we all discussed this last year..I need any more info you all have on the metacam. Also, have any of you used it with immuno-regulin...?? I received the IR today, but I am not sure when we are going to start it..as we are a little concerned about the temporary rise in temp. following the treatment...OR do some kitties not have a rise in temp following the treatment? He went in for an exam on Tues and got some more fluids...He is eating on his own. That leg is really causing him a problem though...He really can't walk on it..So I think the metacam might help with the pain and inflammation and his fevers, too.. Also, I asked if we could put him on medicine for bone infection since it won't show up on xray all the time..so he is on 2cc twice daily of clindamycin..for 10 days. Any info is appreciated, Kerry and Bandy
Re: Shakiti Update
Elizabeth, What a fantastic story!!! I am so happy that Shakiti coughed the floss up! Yea! I will pray that he continues to improve and by tomorrow, there are no signs of any problems at all, and he's back to normal! :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As soon as the vet got in from lunch - I called him. They had been watching Shakiti all afternoon and given him peroxide as an emetic...but no sign of dental floss. We discussed the prospects of surgery. He said he really hated to do unnecessary surgery - but on the other hand didn't want to put Shakiti's health and life at risk. I told him I really did not know what would be best for my boy and he said that he would be willing for me to watch him a day or two. He felt that if Shakiti made it through Friday without any problems - he would probably be ok. I told them I would be there in a bit and that I would stay up all night with him if necessary. I said prayers all the way there. When I got there, I expected to just pay the bill - get my boy and go - but they called me back into a room and said, 'Elizabeth, we have a problem'. My heart sank. I think it stopped beating. I could feel the tears starting to burn. *graphic description alert* In a bit, the doctor and the vet tech came out with a folded towel. They opened up the towel and there were a number of spots of bright red blood along about an 8 inch streak that Shakiti had regurgitated. They told me the blood was a bad sign. They said - all day we have been watching for Shakiti to throw up and nothing...but while you were on the way here, he started to vomit. Well...I looked at it carefully...and the vet tech looked at it carefully...and then we both looked right at each other and said 'Wait a minute! What's that?!?' What was it? Just a big wad of dental floss. The doctor got some tweezers and it stretched out nearly 2 feet! *end graphic content* Oh my goodness -- you can't imagine the waves of relief and the change in my face, the doctor's face and the vet tech's face. It was the whole piece - unbroken. The doctor believes now that the blood must have been from retching the foul thing up -- he said that is not uncommon in cats. They wanted to keep the baby overnight but I made 'big eyes' and said, 'Couldn't I take him home and watch over him?' -- I just know that I would watch and baby him like crazy and spoil him rotten while they would have to leave him overnight. They agreed. They gave him a steroid shot to decrease any inflammation and some demerol for pain and discomfort. I am to watch for any further signs of vomiting or if he hides like he feels bad and tomorrow I can start him on canned food if he feels ok. He is being a perfect angel and he has forgiven me completely. He's staring into space happy as a clam with his demerol buzz. Everytime I tell him how good he is - he smiles at me and purrs. Oh! And the great news is the Shakiti tested negative for FeVL today. His shots are up to date and as soon as he feels better he can wreak havoc and pester Tiffany just like good ol' times. Mama Kitty still looks great -- although I've got to have a little discussion with her about the headless baby bunny gift she left for me this afternoon. Thanks for being there you guysyou rock. p.s. Always, always flush your floss. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Everybody's talent
When I did work outside of the home, I was in nursing home care (did the laundry for the facility), and then customer service at a photo lab and from there to the shipping department, then the sports proms department. This is where my dislike for humans began, people can be real jerks!! :) I loved working in the nursing home, older people are very interesting, I can listen to their stories forever! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Flushing dental floss
Hey guys, I did a little Internet research and several different plumbing sites said that flushing dental floss WILL stop up your toilet, if there's enough of it. Also mentioned was that dental floss can wrap itself around and get tied to things in the plumbing system, causing further problems. I know with all our vet bills, plumbing bills would not be welcome. We're just going to wrap ours up and/or keep kitties out of the bathroom. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Everybody's talent
Terrie, Have always loved horses, but am a little scared of them, they are so big. Beautiful creatures though! Hubby is a local truck driver for a lumber company. He worked for JB Hunt for many years but finally left because they were getting so crappy. He makes a lot less money but is much happier now. Thankfully he still makes enough so I can do what I love! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Teeth
Hi Rebecca, I think you may be right about him needing the procedure. Did the vet say that Wowie needed several teeth pulled, or just one, or all? I know many people have said that their kitties who had stomatitis/gum problems had their kitties' teeth pulled (one or more) which helped. Did the vet say that would help or eliminate his dental problems? He HAS to eat, or he can develop fatty liver disease in as little as 24 hours. Are you assist feeding him right now? :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Flushing dental floss
Unfortunately it isn't just the kitties at my home that may have problems with dental floss. It's the critters scouring the garbage dumping grounds that may get into it and harm themselves. I have flushed the dental floss for years and years and not ever had a problem. I also thoroughly cut up plastic can holders so no animal can get their head stuck in one of the circles, even the teenye weenye ones so little birds don't get stuck in them. Maybe put it in a ziploc baggy and keep it in a safe place until it's full and then dispose of it in the garbage. Or once it's full put in a big coffee can and throw a match in. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: FIV infected Kitten
I am not sure about FIV; I'm more up-to-date on FeLV, which is different. I do know that cats with FIV can live a long time with it. Once FIV kicks in though, it's not a good thing. I don't know how FIV is spread, but for now I think it would be wise to keep the two cats separated until you know more about FIV. I do not know if FIV can be 'thrown off' as kitty gets older like FeLV can. Make sure you do the research on the FIV vaccine. The FeLV vaccine is not real reliable (I think the figures are 75-80 percent effective, but don't quote me on that). The FIV vaccine might be more reliable, and of course if it is, vaccinate your other baby. FeLV is not spread easily, but not sure about FIV. Also, don't take everything your vet says with complete trust, because what we've found here is that many times we are more in the know on FeLV than our vets are. Many, many vets just say euthanize upon a positive test, but we don't believe that here, and most, if not all of us, use vets that aren't so fatalistic. If your vet doesn't seem to want to work with you when you talk to him/her, then look for another one. Also, there should be an FIV group, like this FeLV one. See if you can join that one where you can hopefully get reliable info. Good luck in your research and let us know what you find out, :) Wendy Dallas, Tx __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Flushing dental floss
PS. Can't keep kitties out of our bathroom, that's where their litter boxes are :) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Teeth
Bailey had all but his canines and incisors pulled it helped a lot. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Everybody's talent
Great story and photos of the robin family!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Chester Sees Internist
Hi guys, Took your advice and found an internist (I live in Cleveland, and surprisingly it took me 3 hours to find the nearest one which was 1/2 hour away). I was not impressed w/this doc at all. (Had all files faxed to him before appt). He looked at his gums and said he's anemic (doc I saw last week after reviewing blood work said that he was not-but hasn't eaten much in last few days so maybe that's why he is paler). Listened to heart and said that he had a murmur. First time I heard this after seeing 3 docs now. Said that he couldn't tell me anything w/o running more tests. When asked a question he would go around in a big circle. Took Chester out of room and said that he wanted to get weight/temp. Doc came back in alone (w/o weight/temp) and said he wanted to do more tests. I asked him about Interferon it might work it might not, I've had a few patients on it. He talked in all medical terms (I understood him but the average patient might not and he probably does this on purpose). I asked him what he suggeted and what it would cost. Here's what he said Exam $88 Films-2 views $121.35 Films-additional views $76.40 Rads Films $44.52 PCV/PP Lab $13.48 CBC $51.72 SMAC/Profile Lab $93.62 Felv $28.69 FIP $46 Toxoplasmosis $71.78 Urinalysis $38.97 Ultrasound 2 Cavaties $238.50 Ultrasound PR Reg $134.83 Hospitalization (outpatient) $25.84 Grand Total $1073.70 And this is w/o saying he might want to do a blood transfusion! I think this doc is crazy, I wouldn't put him through a blood transfusion. Chester's appetite is still not great. But he was very hungry yesterday morning and ate dry food. Today I got him to eat a very little bit of applesauce. Have tried baby food and he doesn't like it. I will try the chicken broth. He is still drinking water-and that is good. Are your furbabies on flea meds or should I not give him his next dose? I am going to call the last 2 doc and ask her to order Interferon. Prayers going out for everyone. Lisa -- WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com)
Re: Chester Sees Internist
Lisa, I would not give him flea medication while he is sick, unless he is clearly infested. Interferon, while possibly prophylactic, has never, to my knowledge, helped a cat get over anemia or anything serious like that. Immuno-Regulin maybe, but not interferon. It has done more for mouth problems and maybe preventing colds. Blood transfusions can help a lot while you are figuring out what is wrong and how, or if, to treat it. My cat Simon got 3 transfusions while chemo was kicking in, and his blood count then rose to normal (he died 2 months later from hemolytic anemia, which is fast and an immune reponse to cancer sometimes). Others have had success with transfusions too. A transfusion takes about 4 hours, and it is the same amount of discomfort as getting IV fluids, i.e. not a big deal. Blood transfusions are usually only done if the hematocrit is down in the low teens or lower, though. I would definitely get the blood work done to see, whether or not you get the other tests done. michelle In a message dated 6/22/2006 12:26:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi guys,Took your advice and found an internist (I live in Cleveland, and surprisingly it took me 3 hours to find the nearest one which was 1/2 hour away). I was not impressed w/this doc at all. (Had all files faxed to him before appt). He looked at his gums and said he's anemic (doc I saw last week after reviewing blood work said that he was not-but hasn't eaten much in last few days so maybe that's why he is paler). Listened to heart and said that he had a murmur. First time I heard this after seeing 3 docs now. Said that he couldn't tell me anything w/o running more tests. When asked a question he would go around in a big circle. Took Chester out of room and said that he wanted to get weight/temp. Doc came back in alone (w/o weight/temp) and said he wanted to do more tests. I asked him about Interferon "it might work it might not, I've had a few patients on it". He talked in all medical terms (I understood him but the average patient might not and he probably does this on purpose). I asked him what he suggeted and what it would cost. Here's what he saidExam $88Films-2 views $121.35Films-additional views $76.40Rads Films $44.52PCV/PP Lab $13.48CBC $51.72SMAC/Profile Lab $93.62Felv $28.69FIP $46Toxoplasmosis $71.78Urinalysis $38.97Ultrasound 2 Cavaties $238.50Ultrasound PR Reg $134.83Hospitalization (outpatient) $25.84Grand Total $1073.70And this is w/o saying he might want to do a blood transfusion!I think this doc is crazy, I wouldn't put him through a blood transfusion.Chester's appetite is still not great. But he was very hungry yesterday morning and ate dry food. Today I got him to eat a very little bit of applesauce. Have tried baby food and he doesn't like it. I will try the chicken broth. He is still drinking water-and that is good. Are your furbabies on flea meds or should I not give him his next dose? I am going to call the last 2 doc and ask her to order Interferon. Prayers going out for everyone.Lisa
Re: Chester Sees Internist
Not impressed with this guy, my vet always starts with blood work and goes from there. Did he do that or is he just suggesting all this other stuff before that even? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Chester Sees Internist
I would skip the flea meds for now. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Chester Sees Internist
Lisa, Go with your gut instinct for sure. Also, if Chester is not going outside, I would hold off on the flea meds until he is doing better. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Took your advice and found an internist (I live in Cleveland, and surprisingly it took me 3 hours to find the nearest one which was 1/2 hour away). I was not impressed w/this doc at all. (Had all files faxed to him before appt). He looked at his gums and said he's anemic (doc I saw last week after reviewing blood work said that he was not-but hasn't eaten much in last few days so maybe that's why he is paler). Listened to heart and said that he had a murmur. First time I heard this after seeing 3 docs now. Said that he couldn't tell me anything w/o running more tests. When asked a question he would go around in a big circle. Took Chester out of room and said that he wanted to get weight/temp. Doc came back in alone (w/o weight/temp) and said he wanted to do more tests. I asked him about Interferon it might work it might not, I've had a few patients on it. He talked in all medical terms (I understood him but the average patient might not and he probably does this on purpose). I asked him what he suggeted and what it would cost. Here's what he said Exam $88 Films-2 views $121.35 Films-additional views $76.40 Rads Films $44.52 PCV/PP Lab $13.48 CBC $51.72 SMAC/Profile Lab $93.62 Felv $28.69 FIP $46 Toxoplasmosis $71.78 Urinalysis $38.97 Ultrasound 2 Cavaties $238.50 Ultrasound PR Reg $134.83 Hospitalization (outpatient) $25.84 Grand Total $1073.70 And this is w/o saying he might want to do a blood transfusion! I think this doc is crazy, I wouldn't put him through a blood transfusion. Chester's appetite is still not great. But he was very hungry yesterday morning and ate dry food. Today I got him to eat a very little bit of applesauce. Have tried baby food and he doesn't like it. I will try the chicken broth. He is still drinking water-and that is good. Are your furbabies on flea meds or should I not give him his next dose? I am going to call the last 2 doc and ask her to order Interferon. Prayers going out for everyone. Lisa -- WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: FIV infected kittes
The kitten's name is Karma and she appears to be healthy - she is afeisty playful little thing. I will keep her away from my big cat forright now until I have him tested and vaccinated and talked to the vetabout it again, I would realy like them to be together eventually. He isalready fixed and I will have her fixed as soon as allowed so we neverhave to worry about kittens. My vet is great he asked me several timesnot to let anybody talk me into putting her down, he has one himselfthat wasgoing to be put down eight years ago and whom is still goingstrong inspite of a infection now and then, but I do wish he had told methat there might be a slim chance that she is not infected but that itmight be the mothers anti bodies that caused the test to be possitive,something I still pray for. Am still looking for sites specialised inFIV but have been unable to find any sofar but I appreciate your emailsand will keep you informed if you's like!
Positive thoughts for Chit-Chat...
Our FIV+ guy, Chatty, is at the vet's right now having an x-ray of his sinuses done...His congestion isn't getting any better and the mucous on one side of his nostril is becoming tinged with blood. We're fearing the worst (a tumor) but still hoping for the best. Please keep this sweet teddybear in your thoughts! :( Thanks for listening, guys! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner
Re: FIV infected Kitten
Hi, We found my cat Simba, at about the age of 5 weeks. He tested positive for FIV. We had him retested at approx 6 mos he was still positive. It is true that FIV tests of young kittens may only be picking up maternal antibodies, so it would be a good idea to retest the little guy after 6 mos. Simba is going to be 8 years old in July. We have allowed him to mix freely with our other 12 cats all along none of ours has ever tested positive. He even gets into occasional spats w/ one of the others he licks several that he is good friends with, shares bowls, litterboxes, etc it has never caused a problem. He is so healthy that we've had him retested several times over the years, because it's just so hard to believe that he is positive. He keeps coming back positive, but I've stopped worrying about it. I just make sure he gets good care thank God that he is healthy. I have also elected not to vaccinate due to a study done at Cornell awhile back that found that viral loads for the FIV increased after vaccination. I don't recall how I initially foundout about this study, but I did call talk to them to confirm the info. I have not heard anything about it ever since, tho. I'll have to do a little digging see if that wasresearched any further. I don't have a reference that I can give you right off hand, but I'll look for one.Simba did get his initial round of vaccinations as a kitten, however. This was my experience...personally, I have no qualms about mixing FIV+ with negatives, but everybody has to do what works for their situation. Hope this helps. Yvonne In a message dated 6/22/2006 7:45:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. Any advise??
Re: FIV Infected Kitten
I also wanted to clarify that when I say I don't vaccinate, I mean I don't have Simba getanyvaccinations, other than the ones he got as a kitten before I knew he was positive. The research that I was referring to was with regard to routine vaccinations...this was before there was an FIV vaccine. Just wanted to make sure it didn't sound like I was talking about the FIV vaccine. I don't give my others the FIV vaccination, either, since it would cause them to always test positive for FIV, according to my vet. yvonne
Re: Flushing dental floss
Thanks for the head's up. In a message dated 6/22/2006 10:25:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey guys,I did a little Internet research and several differentplumbing sites said that flushing dental floss WILLstop up your toilet, if there's enough of it. Alsomentioned was that dental floss can wrap itself aroundand get tied to things in the plumbing system, causingfurther problems. I know with all our vet bills,plumbing bills would not be welcome. We're just goingto wrap ours up and/or keep kitties out of thebathroom. :)Wendy __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: FIV Infected Kitten
I remember now where I got the info regarding the increased viral loads after routine vaccinations...I called for a consultation at Cornell talked to one of their vets she told me about their findings...I believe the study was not yet published (this was around 1999 or 2000) may not have even been complete at the time, so that's why I don't have a reference to something in print. All I've been able to come up with so far is the following from VetMedCenter - Consumer - Article Details : "Vaccination of FIV positive cats is controversial. While it is essential that risks of common diseases such as Panleukopenia and upper respiratory infections be eliminated, vaccination may pose some risk for the immune-compromised cat. Many veterinarians will elect to devise a modified vaccination protocol for FIV positive cats. This usually includes extended vaccination intervals and the use of killed vaccines. " So, I've just elected not to give Simba any further vaccinations since his initial round as a kitten. I'll try to find more info about that research, since I'd rather give you some hard evidence, rather than just my word. If I find anything, I'll let you know. Take care! Yvonne
Re: Positive thoughts for Chit-Chat...
Prayers and all good thoughts with you and Chatty. elizabeth In a message dated 6/22/2006 1:01:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our FIV+ guy, Chatty, is at the vet's right now having an x-ray of hissinuses done...His congestion isn't getting any better and the mucous onone side of his nostril is becoming tinged with blood. We're fearingthe worst (a tumor) but still hoping for the best. Please keep thissweet teddybear in your thoughts! :(Thanks for listening, guys!Jen"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long..." --Blade Runner
Re: Chester Sees Internist
Chester seems to have the same problem as my cat that I mentioned a couple days ago... Chronic gum problem I called it... My cat has had most of his teeth pulled and he still has the problem.. I have had this pos cat for 3 years now and he has always had this problem but he is healthy active boy otherwise... The main worry is he doesn't eat enough when it is bad... Because his gums are sore he hates to be force feed and runs and hides from us when ever we have feed equipment in hand... Antibiotics work but they taste bad as well as hurt him so they are very difficult to give.. Interferon tastes like water and so its usually easier to give... And it does seem to help... I say it seems to be a drug that works for a lot of what ails FeLV+ cats... The problem is that it tends to loose its effectiveness if used too much... At 1st my vet was reluctant to use it until the kitty was really sick... But after seeing how quickly FeLV+ kitties can crash and die he has let me give it when ever I feel I should... And I would say try it with Chester... My vet has 30 years of dairy cow/farm practice under his belt and before I came along I don't think he had tried to save an FeLV+... But I still remember how his face lit up when I said no to PTS on my 1st POS test and asked what are the alternatives... When I hear of something new on here and tell him about it and later I find he has looked it up... My vet is not a young specialist with all the latest knowledge but I think he is the best I to was wondering about Imunno regulan for the gum problem as it is given IV rather than orally... Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Took your advice and found an internist (I live in Cleveland, and surprisingly it took me 3 hours to find the nearest one which was 1/2 hour away). I was not impressed w/this doc at all. (Had all files faxed to him before appt). He looked at his gums and said he's anemic (doc I saw last week after reviewing blood work said that he was not-but hasn't eaten much in last few days so maybe that's why he is paler). Listened to heart and said that he had a murmur. First time I heard this after seeing 3 docs now. Said that he couldn't tell me anything w/o running more tests. When asked a question he would go around in a big circle. Took Chester out of room and said that he wanted to get weight/temp. Doc came back in alone (w/o weight/temp) and said he wanted to do more tests. I asked him about Interferon it might work it might not, I've had a few patients on it. He talked in all medical terms (I understood him but the average patient might not and he probably does this on purpose). I asked him what he suggeted and what it would cost. Here's what he said Exam $88 Films-2 views $121.35 Films-additional views $76.40 Rads Films $44.52 PCV/PP Lab $13.48 CBC $51.72 SMAC/Profile Lab $93.62 Felv $28.69 FIP $46 Toxoplasmosis $71.78 Urinalysis $38.97 Ultrasound 2 Cavaties $238.50 Ultrasound PR Reg $134.83 Hospitalization (outpatient) $25.84 Grand Total $1073.70 And this is w/o saying he might want to do a blood transfusion! I think this doc is crazy, I wouldn't put him through a blood transfusion. Chester's appetite is still not great. But he was very hungry yesterday morning and ate dry food. Today I got him to eat a very little bit of applesauce. Have tried baby food and he doesn't like it. I will try the chicken broth. He is still drinking water-and that is good. Are your furbabies on flea meds or should I not give him his next dose? I am going to call the last 2 doc and ask her to order Interferon. Prayers going out for everyone. Lisa -- WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com)
Re: FIV infected kittes
Hi new FIV kitten's mom, FIV is not the same thing as Felv. I think some of our list members are responding as if Karma has tested pos for felv. I haven't heard good things about the FIV vaccine. From what I remember, and I'm no expert on FIV, there are two (?) different types and, again I'm not sure, but one vaccine doesn't protect against the other. I just remember debate about whether or not the vaccine is effective. I do know that once you give a cat the vaccine, they will test pos for FIV for the rest of their lives. No big deal I guess, unless your older cat gets lost and someone that doesn't have the heart you do finds him and tests him. Although I understand your being upset by the pos test results, I'm not sure I would sweat any of this until you have Karma retested when she's older, (at least 3 months). I would test your older cat, just to know what his status is. From all I've heard it is only possible to transmit FIV by serious bites, so I'm betting there is no danger to your older cat from Karma. There is also the consideration of getting the two of them together while Karma is such a little baby when your older cat is more likely to be friendly to her. My gut feeling, for what it's worth, is that Karma is fine and will test neg later. FIV is not like Felv in that it is not usually transmitted from mother to kitten in utero or during nursing. Unless some nasty FIV infected Tom took a bite out of your baby before she got to you, she probably doesn't have FIV at all. Is there any physical evidence that Karma was attacked by a cat? It sounds like you have a wonderful vet, you probably don't know how lucky you are! There is a group for FIV kitty guardians that you should join, they will be more current on everything FIV than we are: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FivCats/ Wishing you and your babies the very best, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The kitten's name is Karma and she appears to be healthy - she is a feisty playful little thing. I will keep her away from my big cat for right now until I have him tested and vaccinated and talked to the vet about it again, I would realy like them to be together eventually. He is already fixed and I will have her fixed as soon as allowed so we never have to worry about kittens. My vet is great he asked me several times not to let anybody talk me into putting her down, he has one himself that wasgoing to be put down eight years ago and whom is still going strong inspite of a infection now and then, but I do wish he had told me that there might be a slim chance that she is not infected but that it might be the mothers anti bodies that caused the test to be possitive, something I still pray for. Am still looking for sites specialised in FIV but have been unable to find any sofar but I appreciate your emails and will keep you informed if you's like!
Re: Chester Sees Internist
Hi Lisa, Well that sounds like a terrible experience for the two of you! I'm so sorry that your search for a vet that can help you and Chester is still ongoing. I take it this Internist wasn't recommended by your current vet, sounds like no one would recommend him! As far as Chester's eating... have you tried the liver shake? I also have a broth recipe that I can send you. Many times a cat will lap at food, but not chew. It's also a good idea to warm the food to bring out the aroma. Oh man, I'm somewhat of an expert at trying to get kitties to eat! Does he like salmon? Sometimes a few drops of salmon oil on the top of their food gets them going. Sometimes they prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa. I've spent a great deal of time crawling around after a kitty on my hands and knees with a bowl of something yummy in my hand. I have one kitty that will not eat unless she's being stroked and cooed at. There are also appetite stimulants that you can get in a cream form to dab on the inside of Chester's ear, (transdermal), has your vet given you one? I guess I don't have to tell you to try just about anything to entice him with, I don't think I would have thought to try applesauce! Don't use any flea meds on him while he's not feeling great. If you have to, pick the little blood suckers off him using a comb and have some alcohol to drop them into nearby. Hugs and prayers to you, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Took your advice and found an internist (I live in Cleveland, and surprisingly it took me 3 hours to find the nearest one which was 1/2 hour away). I was not impressed w/this doc at all.
Re: Flushing dental floss
Thank you for mentioning those damn plastic can holders! I was going to write about them myself. Nina Belinda wrote: Unfortunately it isn't just the kitties at my home that may have problems with dental floss. It's the critters scouring the garbage dumping grounds that may get into it and harm themselves. I have flushed the dental floss for years and years and not ever had a problem. I also thoroughly cut up plastic can holders so no animal can get their head stuck in one of the circles, even the teenye weenye ones so little birds don't get stuck in them. Maybe put it in a ziploc baggy and keep it in a safe place until it's full and then dispose of it in the garbage. Or once it's full put in a big coffee can and throw a match in.
Re: Positive thoughts for Chit-Chat...
Aw Jen, I'm sorry to hear your fears for Chatty. My prayers are with you guys, let us know as soon as you can. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our FIV+ guy, Chatty, is at the vet's right now having an x-ray of his sinuses done...His congestion isn't getting any better and the mucous on one side of his nostril is becoming tinged with blood. We're fearing the worst (a tumor) but still hoping for the best. Please keep this sweet teddybear in your thoughts! :( Thanks for listening, guys! Jen
Re: Chester Sees Internist
Tad, did you read my hint about hiding the abx pills in pill pockets? Nina Tad Burnett wrote: Chester seems to have the same problem as my cat that I mentioned a couple days ago... Chronic gum problem I called it... My cat has had most of his teeth pulled and he still has the problem.. I have had this pos cat for 3 years now and he has always had this problem but he is healthy active boy otherwise... The main worry is he doesn't eat enough when it is bad... Because his gums are sore he hates to be force feed and runs and hides from us when ever we have feed equipment in hand... Antibiotics work but they taste bad as well as hurt him so they are very difficult to give.. Interferon tastes like water and so its usually easier to give... And it does seem to help... I say it seems to be a drug that works for a lot of what ails FeLV+ cats... The problem is that it tends to loose its effectiveness if used too much... At 1st my vet was reluctant to use it until the kitty was really sick... But after seeing how quickly FeLV+ kitties can crash and die he has let me give it when ever I feel I should... And I would say try it with Chester... My vet has 30 years of dairy cow/farm practice under his belt and before I came along I don't think he had tried to save an FeLV+... But I still remember how his face lit up when I said no to PTS on my 1st POS test and asked what are the alternatives... When I hear of something new on here and tell him about it and later I find he has looked it up... My vet is not a young specialist with all the latest knowledge but I think he is the best I to was wondering about Imunno regulan for the gum problem as it is given IV rather than orally... Tad
Re: Recombinant DNA vaccine
Thank you for the article Beth, I've archived it. Nina Gary Murphy wrote: Hi everyone, This is probably old news to most on this list, but I found this article interesting, and some of the other newbies might too. It is about the newer recombinant DNA FeLV vaccine. It goes into the skin, instead of under it, and also uses no adjuvant (both of which increase the risk of injection-site sarcoma). It also just describes some of the confusing things about testing really clearly. Out of fear of sarcoma, I declined the old vaccine when my 1st cat (Blue)got her beginning shots. When new little Alice turned up positive, I hustled Blue in and got her started with this newer vaccine. Not sure if it is available everywhere,our vet said their clinic was one of the first 10 in the country authorized to do field trials with it, but that may have been a number of years back. Here's the link: http://cvm.msu.edu/mvc/FeLVFIV.doc Regards, Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chester Sees Internist
Hi Nina Yes I did.. But my cat with no teeth and sore gums that make him cry and jump back when he gets anything solid in the wrong place would have a hard time with a pill pocket I think... Tad Nina wrote: Tad, did you read my hint about hiding the abx pills in pill pockets? Nina Tad Burnett wrote: Chester seems to have the same problem as my cat that I mentioned a couple days ago... Chronic gum problem I called it... My cat has had most of his teeth pulled and he still has the problem.. I have had this pos cat for 3 years now and he has always had this problem but he is healthy active boy otherwise... The main worry is he doesn't eat enough when it is bad... Because his gums are sore he hates to be force feed and runs and hides from us when ever we have feed equipment in hand... Antibiotics work but they taste bad as well as hurt him so they are very difficult to give.. Interferon tastes like water and so its usually easier to give... And it does seem to help... I say it seems to be a drug that works for a lot of what ails FeLV+ cats... The problem is that it tends to loose its effectiveness if used too much... At 1st my vet was reluctant to use it until the kitty was really sick... But after seeing how quickly FeLV+ kitties can crash and die he has let me give it when ever I feel I should... And I would say try it with Chester... My vet has 30 years of dairy cow/farm practice under his belt and before I came along I don't think he had tried to save an FeLV+... But I still remember how his face lit up when I said no to PTS on my 1st POS test and asked what are the alternatives... When I hear of something new on here and tell him about it and later I find he has looked it up... My vet is not a young specialist with all the latest knowledge but I think he is the best I to was wondering about Imunno regulan for the gum problem as it is given IV rather than orally... Tad
Tad and pill pockets
Poor baby! I can see why you're reluctant to try anything that might make him cry! My little Petey had swelling around her jaw and every time she'd yawn or meow she'd scream. She kept looking at me as if to say, why aren't you fixing this? Then she started to act like it was my fault because she was meowing at me, causing her pain. Don't you just hate that helpless feeling? I did successfully hide small pills in the pill pockets mixed with baby food. Does he have enough of an appetite to gulp at all? It might be worth a try and you wouldn't be wasting the money because you could use them for other cats that need to be medicated. If you do try it, remember to use just enough to mold the pill pocket around the pill and keep it as small as possible. Nina Tad Burnett wrote: Hi Nina Yes I did.. But my cat with no teeth and sore gums that make him cry and jump back when he gets anything solid in the wrong place would have a hard time with a pill pocket I think... Tad
Re: FIV infected kittes--MY soapbox!
MaryChristine, I too have 2 fiv boys and they are the sweetest babies,and so far very healthy.They are from our sanctuary that I volunteer,all the cats there are so sweet. SherryTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: argh.there is essentially no such thing as an FIV positive kittens.maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is still not evenconsidered a normal mode of infection. kittens with an infected momwill test positive until mom's antibodies are out of hersystem--between 6-10 months.no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats will take a catwithout a positive western blot test, as the snap test is only about60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten is old enough formom's immunities to have worn off WILL test positive, but it won'tmean anything.i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the cat ever gets outand into the shelter system, he will test positve (not maybe,DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and someone actually checkshis record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances of living longenough to be found by you is slim to none.almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING WOUNDS--the sort thatboy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's why a highpercentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls who have it probablygetting it during rough sex.once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire to be thataggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain aggressive, filing downor even removing the canine teeth makes it impossible for him to bitedeeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats, once neutered, seemto turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy, very cuddly couchpotatoes.at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended up becomingforever cats of the volunteers, because they were just suchsweethearts.i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid flamepoint himmiewho must have gotten out and been attacked cuz there's NO way he wouldhave initiated an argument on his own, and an adolescent coonie. FIVcats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher incidence of herpesinfections (easily kept in check with the addition of lysine), and atendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick just like normalcats, and they get better when treated in a timely manner, just likenormal cats!as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the virus, not from it.it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's spread, and how itmanifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the sanctuary director thinksthat being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only consistent symptoms ofFIV.)here are two of the better articles on FIV:http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.htmlhttp://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfmMC-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: Positive thoughts for Chit-Chat...
Jen, Sending out prayers for Chit-chat. Please keep us posted on his progress. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our FIV+ guy, Chatty, is at the vet's right now having an x-ray of his sinuses done...His congestion isn't getting any better and the mucous on one side of his nostril is becoming tinged with blood. We're fearing the worst (a tumor) but still hoping for the best. Please keep this sweet teddybear in your thoughts! :( Thanks for listening, guys! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Everybody's talent
Okay, I have tears in my eyes :) You MUST make a children's book out of your Redoute Robinstory! I also want to read Phelix's story.Gina.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If I decide to do this -- I'll call you to be my manager! :0) Phelix, the alpha male of my house, was born with only one eye...and he is large and in charge. I keep wanting to do some children's books about 'Phelix the one-eyed wonder kitty'...I suppose the underlying theme being that just because someone looks or seems different - they are still very neat and special with their own talents. Another children's book might be the story of Redoute Robin...that I documented a few years ago: The Story of Redoute Robin - page 1 ok - way too much about me...what do you guys do besides be incredible kitty parents?In a message dated 6/21/2006 7:32:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh my dear, you have a calling. I can see why you'd be reluctant to give up your daytime job if it pays the rent well, but I can't help feel that you should be working full time on your art! I'm itching to help you promote it. It might not ever be as lucrative, (then again, who knows?), but the benefits to you and the rest of our sometimes dreary world might just be worth it. I think everyone should do their best to incorporate their passion into their livelihood, if they did, the world would be a kinder place. Have you ever thought of framing them and offering them for sale? You could display the originals and then sell prints. Is your vet an upscale sort of place? Maybe you could start by putting some in local restaurants and/or your vet's office. You could sell them at charitable events/auctions... Hmm... let me think about this!Nina If I could do anything I wanted to for a living - I would do cat portraits. Sadly though - I live alone with 8 cats so I'm the only one paying the bills (plus, the kitties like to surf the web and use my credit cards when they aren't sneaking the car out to go joy riding). I have to have a senseofstability and security...so I am biding my time in a high pressure position that requires absolutely nothing artistic or creative and makes me wish I had a valium IV.No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.
Re: FIV infected Kitten
I too have a kitten who just tested a faint positive for FeLV. She is eight weeks old.I am awaiting her second test when she is sixteen weeks of age. I just recently joined this list for support and to gain knowledge about the disease.Gina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. Any advise??No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: FIV infected Kitten
Hi,I just posted about my FeLV positive kitten in response to your email.I'm sorry I somehow read your post as FeLV+ kitten.At any rate, I am new here, but I can speak to the subject of FIV. I had a FIV+ cat named Buddy who lived to the age of 18. He was an adult cat who tested positive for FIV whenI took him in, in 1992. A year later, after giving him a home, my husband and I took in two seven day old kittens--Tigger and Taylor--who tested positive for FIV.We decided to keep them all together being that they all had FIV. They thrived, none of them had any major illnesses. Seven years later, we took in another kitty who was around 10 weeks old (Bob). He tested negative for FIV. At that time we restested every cat because the vet was curious about Tigger, Taylor and Buddy's FIV status. It turns out that Tigger and Taylor were negative! The vet believes that they tested positive when they were newly born because of their mother's antibodies and not because they really were FIV+. Buddy still tested positive. At that point we decided to keep Bob since Tigger and Taylor had not gotten the disease from Buddy in seven years.So,Tigger and Taylorlived seven years with FIV+ Buddy anddidn't getFIV. In addition, Buddy lived another five years and Bob never got the disease from him either. They all shared the same food, water, and litter boxes. Buddy groomed the heck out of every kitten we had, but there were never any bites inflicted by Buddy. So in that way perhaps it's different than FeLV in that it's not transmitted through casual contact. I don't know much about FeLV.I hope this helps as far as giving yousome information from our experience with FIV. If you have any other questions about our Buddy and other cats, please ask.Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. Any advise??No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.
Re: FIV infected Kitten
Please join the FIV cats group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FIVCats2/Statistically, 2 out of 3 kittens born to an FIV+ mother test negative once they have been weaned and have had time to clear maternal antibodies. In practice the kittens almost always clear antibodies within 2 or 3 months of weaning and test negative. Don't keep testing the poor little kitten now. Test after 6 months of age. Most of the vets around here won't even test such a young kitten because the assumption is that the test is just not reliable. And please do join the FIV group. FIV is not easily transmitted and most of us in that group have had mixed positive/negative households for year.
Re: Shakiti Update
I'm very happy for you and Shakiti!!Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Oh my god this email scared the hell out of me...I didn't know whether I wanted to continue reading about Shakiti.Oh I'm so relieved now! Bless your Vet! YAY for Shakiti on her tests! Glad for Mama Kitty too!P.S. I heard a lot of stuff in my time but the "Headless Bunny" cracks me up somthing fierce. I will remember that!In a message dated 6/21/2006 4:38:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:As soon as the vet got in from lunch - I called him. They had been watchingShakiti all afternoon and given him peroxide as an emetic...but no sign of dental floss. We discussed theprospects of surgery.He said he really hated to do unnecessary surgery - but on the other hand didn't want to putShakiti's health and lifeatrisk.I told him I really did not know what would be best for my boy and he said that he would be willing for me to watch him a day or two. He felt that if Shakiti made it through Friday without any problems - he would probably be ok. I told them I would be there in a bit and that I would stay up all night with him if necessary. I said prayers all the way there. When I got there, I expected to just pay the bill - get my boy and go- butthey called me back into a room and said, 'Elizabeth, we have a problem'. My heart sank. I think it stopped beating. I could feel the tears starting to burn.*graphic description alert* In a bit, the doctor and the vet tech came out with a folded towel. They opened up the towel and therewere a number ofspots of bright red blood along about an 8 inch streakthat Shakitihad regurgitated. They told methe blood was a bad sign. They said - all day we have been watching for Shakiti to throw up and nothing...but while you were on the way here, he started to vomit. Well...I looked at it carefully...and the vet tech looked at it carefully...and then we both looked right at each other andsaid 'Wait a minute! What's that?!?' What was it? Just a big wad of dental floss. The doctor got some tweezers and it stretched out nearly 2 feet! *end graphic content*Oh my goodness -- you can't imagine the waves of relief and the change in my face, the doctor's face and the vet tech's face. It was the whole piece - unbroken. The doctor believes now that the blood must have been from retching the foul thing up -- he said that is not uncommon in cats.They wanted to keep the baby overnight but I made 'big eyes' and said, 'Couldn't I take him home and watch over him?' -- I just know that I would watch and baby him like crazy and spoil him rottenwhile they would have to leave him overnight. They agreed. They gave him a steroid shot to decrease any inflammation and some demerol for pain and discomfort. I am to watch for any further signs of vomiting or if he hides like he feels badand tomorrow I can start him on canned food if he feels ok.He is being a perfect angel and he has forgiven me completely. He's staring into space happy as a clam with his demerol buzz. Everytime I tell him how good he is - he smiles at me and purrs. Oh! And the great news is the Shakiti tested negative for FeVL today. His shots are up to date and as soon as he feels better he canwreak havoc and pester Tiffany just like good ol' times.Mama Kitty still looks great -- although I've got to have a little discussion with her about the headless baby bunny gift she left for me this afternoon.Thanks for being there you guysyou rock.p.s. Always, always flush your floss. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WAhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescueNo heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: Bandy and metacam
Bones had no bad reactions to the Metacam, and I was VERY pleased with it's effectiveness without any of the side effects I've seen of other pain relievers used for cats (those duragestic/Fentanyl patches make them WEIRD). Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006
Re: Chester Sees Internist
These two bother me the most: Felv $28.69FIP $46 For one, you already KNOW he has FELV, so WHY waste the money testing again? Secondly.. and foremost: THERE IS NO TEST FOR FIP This guy is a MORON if he says there is! Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006
Re: Elizabeth's talent
I have to have a senseofstability and security...so I am biding my time in a high pressure position that requires absolutely nothing artistic or creative and makes me wish I had a valium IV. AMEN SISTER! You are NOT alone! If I could make a living doing anything I wanted, it would be making special needs cat supplies/furniture/aids in my workshop. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006
Chatty update
Hi Guys! Well, the jury is still out after his initial visit with the vet! They snapped several x-rays, but couldn't see any distinct tumor. Whatever it is is only affecting one side and when the vet went to swab inside his nasal cavity, blood just poured out of that one side. She took a look with her own microscope and noted some abnormal cells...but she has to send the culture off to get a definitive (hopefully) answer! So we probably won't know until next week what we're dealing with. He's going back in tomorrow and Saturday for fluids and iv baytril...so hopefully that will give him some relief while we wait. Has anyone ever seen this with their own cats? Poor guy...he wasn't happy to be there...it was a little ironic that all of the cats around him were chatting up a storm and the one guy who is actually named Chatty was tight-lipped! Thanks for all your prayers! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner
Re: FIV infected Kitten
The FIV vaccine is completely NOT ever recommended by anyone of authority in animal medicine. Most responsible vets don't use it at all, because it makes the cat it's given to test positive for FIV for the rest of their life. As for the person who stated that it only protected against certain forms of the virus, that is correct: There are five strains of FIV virus, called Clades. The vaccine was made using Clades A and D and tested using Clade A. Clade B, for example, is a very common strain in most regions of the U.S. and no testing of the vaccine has been performed thus far against Clade B. This means that a pet owner might wrongly believe they were protecting their cat fully against the FIV virus with this vaccine. California has both Clades A and B. Here's the article that went out when the current FIV vaccine was first approved by thye FDA for use in cats: FELINE IMMUNODEFICIENCY VIRUS: VACCINE March 25, 2002 Source: AScribe Newswire, 22 Mar 2002 [edited] First Vaccine for Cat AIDS Approved for Veterinary Use The first vaccine for feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV) was approved for commercial production and veterinary use today by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA). The patented vaccine for this disease, which is a cat form of AIDS, has been licensed for manufacture to Fort Dodge Animal Health, a division of Wyeth. Patents for the vaccine are held by the University of California and the University of Florida. The vaccine should be available to veterinarians by this summer. This vaccine offers the first effective protection for cats against this often fatal disease, said Niels Pedersen, director of the Center for Companion Animal Health and an international authority on retroviruses and immunologic disorders of small animals. The success of the FIV vaccine also offers hope that eventually a vaccine will be developed that will effectively protect against AIDS in humans. Pedersen and immunologist Janet Yamamoto, now a professor in the University of Florida's College of Veterinary Medicine, first isolated the FIV in cats at UC Davis in 1986. Yamamoto began work on a vaccine for the virus at UC Davis and continued her research at the University of Florida, Gainesville. She has worked with researchers at Fort Dodge Animal Health for more than a decade to develop the vaccine. We are delighted that many years of research are now coming to fruition and providing cat owners and veterinarians with a protective vaccine for FIV, added Larry Fox, director of technology transfer for UC Davis. Fox formerly was director of Corporate Molecular Biology at Abbott Laboratories, where he was involved in development of the first HIV assay and a subsequent recombinant DNA assay for HIV. Research on vaccines for the different viruses that cause AIDS in cats, monkeys, and humans continues at UC Davis, which has the distinction of being home to a veterinary school, medical school, and a regional primate research center. Feline immunodeficiency virus is transmitted from cat to cat mainly through bite wounds, because the virus is present at high levels in the saliva. Like human AIDS, the virus attacks the body's immune system, making the animal susceptible to diseases and infections that usually would have little effect on an FIV-free animal. Cats infected with FIV may remain healthy for 5 to 10 years before symptoms such as diarrhea, weight loss, fever, swollen lymph nodes, and chronic infections appear. Although infected cats may recover from their initial illness, they become lifelong carriers of the virus. It is estimated that between 2 percent and 25 percent of the global domestic cat population is infected with the virus, according to the USDA. Infection rates are highest in Japan and Australia and lowest in the United States and Europe. Outdoor roaming cats, older cats, and cats with chronic ill-health are more likely to be infected. Aggressive free-roaming males, which are most likely to get into fights with other cats, are at greatest risk for contracting FIV. FIV does not infect or cause disease in humans. The newly approved vaccine is known as a killed vaccine, made from an inactivated form of the FIV virus itself. The vaccine stimulates the protective immune response in the animal's body without the danger of inadvertently causing the viral disease. The new vaccine is composed of virus strains from 2 different types of FIV, 1 from North America and 1 from Asia. In a study demonstrating the efficacy of the vaccine, cats received 3 doses of the FIV vaccine and a year later were exposed to a different strain of the virus. It was found that 67 percent of the vaccinated cats were protected against the virus, while 74 percent of the non-vaccinated cats became infected with FIV. Studies indicate that the vaccine provides protection against FIV for at least 12 months. Now THIS is interesting, as far as FIV vaccines is concerned. This is NEWER studies being done by the same person who invented the
Re: Need your advice
Dental floss is the most dangerous substance in your house as far as cats go (pennys are a very close second). If you opt to put off surgery, I highly recommend at least doing side view x-rays to be sure his guts aren't twisting while you wait. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006
Re: Need your advice
Oh, and someone should mention, if you see it hanging out his butt, DO NOT PULL IT, you can pull his intestines out if you do! If he passes half of it, and it causes a poo hanging incident, CAREFULLY use scissors to trim it off as close to his anus as you can. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006
Re: Teeth
I'd definitely do the dental. Sounds like the cat's quality of life isn't very good as it is. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006
Re: Testing saliva for FeLV (was 'interesting')
It's always been know saliva is a source of transmission for FELV. All wet bodily fluids contain the FELV virus in an infected cat. That doesn't change the fact that it's not very highly contagious due to natural immunity in adult cats. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006
Re: o/t advice needed
Kerry, I'm not sure if this will work because Kitty probably isn't as playful as my younger kitties, but it's worth a try. When I was introducing my two kitties I made a toy out of two catnip scented mice tied together with a ribbon. I put the ribbon under a shut door with one cat in each room and one toy on each side. Every time one kitty would grab a mouse it would make the other mouse move. It really helped my cats get used to eachother, without the intimidation of being face to face. If your friend has a toy that she knows kitty really likes, it might be enough to entice her to play and it sounds like Danny is desperate for some feline comanionship. Kiley From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:33:04 -0500 Thanks Nina!--that's what i wanted to hear before I give B my 2 cents worth (re the boxes). Yes, she has always been very dedicated to Kitty, so i really hope she perseveres with Danny. It was her mention of giving it a month that sent shivers down my spine when i got back. And lost me no time in directing the prob to the wonderful list. I hope now that she feels she's getting all this wonderful info and support she'll keep ploughing on. Kerry - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Hey Kerry, Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress. It does sound like his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and Kitty in making the transition. I think she's a bit crazy if she's still being stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes though! I'd go out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't have to be nervous about using her litterbox). I've been known to strewn them all over the house. I've found that if someone is having accidents, (territorially motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near the mishap, they end up using it instead of the floor or wall. Tell her to watch her geriatric Kitty very closely, what a terrible turn of events that would be if she dashed out the door and something happened to her before she adjusted to her new brother. Hugs, Nina Kerry MacKenzie wrote: A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.
Re: o/t advice needed
Kiley! What a great idea! Thanks I'll be using that one for sure. Nina Kiley Dozier-Bosanko wrote: Kerry, I'm not sure if this will work because Kitty probably isn't as playful as my younger kitties, but it's worth a try. When I was introducing my two kitties I made a toy out of two catnip scented mice tied together with a ribbon. I put the ribbon under a shut door with one cat in each room and one toy on each side. Every time one kitty would grab a mouse it would make the other mouse move. It really helped my cats get used to eachother, without the intimidation of being face to face. If your friend has a toy that she knows kitty really likes, it might be enough to entice her to play and it sounds like Danny is desperate for some feline comanionship. Kiley
Re: FIV infected Kitten
I wish my sister and I had known that 3 years ago when she rescued a litter of 4 almost 3 years ago and all 4 of them were given the FIV vaccine. I have 2, she has 2. Boy was I ticked off when I found out it's not necessary. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Cool Catholic Stuff! Click Here -- www.TotallyCatholic.com/Theresa Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350Come check me out on MySpace at http://www.myspace.com/terricrazycatlady - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: Re: FIV infected Kitten The FIV vaccine is completely NOT ever recommended by anyone of authority in animalmedicine. Most responsible vets don't use it at all, because it makes the cat it'sgiven to test positive for FIV for the rest of their life.
Re: FIV infected Kitten
Well, 4 years ago was when it was first released, and at that time, MANY vets were unaware that cats it was given to would always test positive for life... also it was all hyped up at the time in all the scientific journals, so many vets got on board during that phase.. then realized after some time that it wasn't quite what they were expecting it to be. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006
Re: Shakiti Update
I'm just a little worried about the boy. He doesn't seem to be eating. Just tried to tempt him with some chicken broth but no such luck. He did eat a little treat but tossed it back up shortly thereafter. I may call the vet in the morning. Going down there anyway to get Mama Kitty her B12 shot. In a message dated 6/22/2006 10:03:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Elizabeth,What a fantastic story!!! I am so happy that Shakiticoughed the floss up! Yea! I will pray that hecontinues to improve and by tomorrow, there are nosigns of any problems at all, and he's back to normal!:)Wendy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As soon as the vet got in from lunch - I called him. They had been watching Shakiti all afternoon and given him peroxide as an emetic...but no sign of dental floss. We discussed the prospects of surgery. He said he really hated to do unnecessary surgery - but on the other hand didn't want to put Shakiti's health and life at risk. I told him I really did not know what would be best for my boy and he said that he would be willing for me to watch him a day or two. He felt that if Shakiti made it through Friday without any problems - he would probably be ok. I told them I would be there in a bit and that I would stay up all night with him if necessary. I said prayers all the way there. When I got there, I expected to just pay the bill - get my boy and go - but they called me back into a room and said, 'Elizabeth, we have a problem'. My heart sank. I think it stopped beating. I could feel the tears starting to burn. *graphic description alert* In a bit, the doctor and the vet tech came out with a folded towel. They opened up the towel and there were a number of spots of bright red blood along about an 8 inch streak that Shakiti had regurgitated. They told me the blood was a bad sign. They said - all day we have been watching for Shakiti to throw up and nothing...but while you were on the way here, he started to vomit. Well...I looked at it carefully...and the vet tech looked at it carefully...and then we both looked right at each other and said 'Wait a minute! What's that?!?' What was it? Just a big wad of dental floss. The doctor got some tweezers and it stretched out nearly 2 feet! *end graphic content* Oh my goodness -- you can't imagine the waves of relief and the change in my face, the doctor's face and the vet tech's face. It was the whole piece - unbroken. The doctor believes now that the blood must have been from retching the foul thing up -- he said that is not uncommon in cats. They wanted to keep the baby overnight but I made 'big eyes' and said, 'Couldn't I take him home and watch over him?' -- I just know that I would watch and baby him like crazy and spoil him rotten while they would have to leave him overnight. They agreed. They gave him a steroid shot to decrease any inflammation and some demerol for pain and discomfort. I am to watch for any further signs of vomiting or if he hides like he feels bad and tomorrow I can start him on canned food if he feels ok. He is being a perfect angel and he has forgiven me completely. He's staring into space happy as a clam with his demerol buzz. Everytime I tell him how good he is - he smiles at me and purrs. Oh! And the great news is the Shakiti tested negative for FeVL today. His shots are up to date and as soon as he feels better he can wreak havoc and pester Tiffany just like good ol' times. Mama Kitty still looks great -- although I've got to have a little discussion with her about the headless baby bunny gift she left for me this afternoon. Thanks for being there you guysyou rock. p.s. Always, always flush your floss. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Fwd: Re: Flushing dental floss
---BeginMessage--- Thank you for mentioning those damn plastic can holders! I was going to write about them myself. Nina Belinda wrote: Unfortunately it isn't just the kitties at my home that may have problems with dental floss. It's the critters scouring the garbage dumping grounds that may get into it and harm themselves. I have flushed the dental floss for years and years and not ever had a problem. I also thoroughly cut up plastic can holders so no animal can get their head stuck in one of the circles, even the teenye weenye ones so little birds don't get stuck in them. Maybe put it in a ziploc baggy and keep it in a safe place until it's full and then dispose of it in the garbage. Or once it's full put in a big coffee can and throw a match in. ---End Message---
Calici...Vets Offices and Clinics
I thought this would of interest to some of you. http://www.dvmvac.org/050306_Calicivirus.htm Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WAhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
