Re: To Leslie: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
On that note: The Royal Princess Kitty Katt was diagnosed with cancer that was so invasive I was told she would live maybe 2 months without chemo. We optedout of the chemo because of what she told me and several ACs I know and quality of life issues openly and honestly discussed with my vets. She lived almost 15 months and all but the last week was very high quality. She spent the last week or so saying goodbye to her first person. We can never be sure when they are leaving and we can not be sure when we are leaving. Worrying about it takes the life out of what life we have. The Royal Princess Kitty was the picture of health when she was diagnosed. She was being seen for something entirely different when the cancer was discovered. I learned so much from her and I miss her awfully but she is totally happy with her first man now and I envy her that happiness and peace. She did her job on earth wonderfully. Now she can rest with him. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pam Norman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:28 PM Subject: Re: To Leslie: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p. Leslie, A wonderful tribute to Sushi what you she learned together. All of us should remember it, whether it is FeLV we are dealing with or any of the other kitty ills that can so easily reduce us to helpless fear. I was told that Ambrose, my first CRF kitty, who was diagnosed in 1997, would be gone in 6 months. He lived for 3 happy healthy years before dying of heart disease. Troika, who was diagnosed with fibrosarcoma in 2000, was given 9 months, lived for 6 more years cancer-free. Vets are good vets are jackasses. We should be careful about their pronouncements, regardless of which they are. After all, it's our kitty we know them better than anyone it's we who are committed to that kitty's life, be it for years or months. And that life can should be joyous, regardless of what the numbers say. Pam - Original Message - From: Leslie To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: To Leslie: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p. Thank you, Wendy! Message: 10Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 07:06:09 -0700 (PDT)From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: To Leslie: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1Leslie-I loved this post.You are one cool cat.:)Wendy--- Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Kayte, My first FeLV+ cat was also the first cat that I ever owned on my own.I'd grown up with all sorts of critters, but it took a few years after graduating college to finally get in a situation where I could own my first "all mine" pet.I'd been wanting this cat forever. I found Sushi at a shelter, she was 2 years old and demanded that I take her home that very instant.I L-O-V-E-D that cat.The shelter had tested for leukemia and FIV before I adopted her and she'd tested negative.One month after having her home, she was very lethargic.I ran with her in a carrier to a vet that I'd seen near my apartment, but I'd never met.This was New York City (Queens), so not having a car, and not wanting to subject a cat to a subway ride, I was pretty limited in my vet choices.The vet was an ass. He had no bedside manner.Hemade me feel like the whole situation was my fault.He'd HAVE to rehydrate, he'd HAVE to do bloodwork, he'd HAVE to keep her during the day - like I wasn't going to be paying him for his efforts. I was in tears, which didn't make him respect me any more.Quite frankly, he scared the hell out of me, and as it's all of our deepest fears that it really IS our fault, I was a mess.He retested her for FeLV+ (she'd been rescued from a house full of cats, so may have been exposed close to rescue and the first testing).I took her home as she'd perked back up, the fluids really helped, and she rebounded fully.Despite this, when he called to tell me that she was positive and anemic and had "maybe" a month to live, told me to expect to see rapid deterioration, blah, blah, blah, I was again distraught.The next week, against the back drop of her romping around and talking to herself, chasing bits of dust, knocking things over (her favorite was to knock my glass of water onto me at night), trying to escape, I called
Re: ayumi Update
Dear Hideyo: I hope that it is the medication that is causing the problem. That would be fastest solution to figuring this out. When do you go back for a recheck? I hope she continues in looking and acting normal. Good luck! Precious Pets --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I took her back to recheck her PCV this morning --- it was still 21 this morning. The vet suggest that I stop using benezpril (ACE inhibitor) I am using for her heart condition for now.. as she never has seen this happens in cats, but she read that benzepril sometimes inhibit reproduction of red cell counts in human.. and she thinks that it's very strange her PCV drops that much within the last two months and she is not showing any symptoms of being ill..let's pray that that is the cause of the lab result.. thank you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Leslie: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
we never have any guarantees with any of the critters that share our lives--it used to make me nuts when people would bring FeLVs to the sanctuary, asymptomatic, and say they couldn't keep them, because they were going to die. well, we all are, folks i know of as many $1500 showcats (don't get me started) who have keeled over with no warning as i do sick cats--loving them while we have them is all that really matters, because, no matter HOW long that is, it will NEVER be long enough how dare i assume that a cat who might only have a few weeks deserves love and companionship less than one with years? arh.. On 9/9/06, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On that note: The Royal Princess Kitty Katt was diagnosed with cancer that was so invasive I was told she would live maybe 2 months without chemo. We optedout of the chemo because of what she told me and several ACs I know and quality of life issues openly and honestly discussed with my vets. She lived almost 15 months and all but the last week was very high quality. She spent the last week or so saying goodbye to her first person. We can never be sure when they are leaving and we can not be sure when we are leaving. Worrying about it takes the life out of what life we have. The Royal Princess Kitty was the picture of health when she was diagnosed. She was being seen for something entirely different when the cancer was discovered. I learned so much from her and I miss her awfully but she is totally happy with her first man now and I envy her that happiness and peace. She did her job on earth wonderfully. Now she can rest with him. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pam Norman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:28 PM Subject: Re: To Leslie: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p. Leslie, A wonderful tribute to Sushi what you she learned together. All of us should remember it, whether it is FeLV we are dealing with or any of the other kitty ills that can so easily reduce us to helpless fear. I was told that Ambrose, my first CRF kitty, who was diagnosed in 1997, would be gone in 6 months. He lived for 3 happy healthy years before dying of heart disease. Troika, who was diagnosed with fibrosarcoma in 2000, was given 9 months, lived for 6 more years cancer-free. Vets are good vets are jackasses. We should be careful about their pronouncements, regardless of which they are. After all, it's our kitty we know them better than anyone it's we who are committed to that kitty's life, be it for years or months. And that life can should be joyous, regardless of what the numbers say. Pam - Original Message - From: Leslie To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: To Leslie: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p. Thank you, Wendy! Message: 10Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 07:06:09 -0700 (PDT)From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: To Leslie: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1Leslie-I loved this post.You are one cool cat.:)Wendy--- Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Kayte, My first FeLV+ cat was also the first cat that I ever owned on my own.I'd grown up with all sorts of critters, but it took a few years after graduating college to finally get in a situation where I could own my first all mine pet.I'd been wanting this cat forever. I found Sushi at a shelter, she was 2 years old and demanded that I take her home that very instant.I L-O-V-E-D that cat.The shelter had tested for leukemia and FIV before I adopted her and she'd tested negative.One month after having her home, she was very lethargic.I ran with her in a carrier to a vet that I'd seen near my apartment, but I'd never met.This was New York City (Queens), so not having a car, and not wanting to subject a cat to a subway ride, I was pretty limited in my vet choices.The vet was an ass. He had no bedside manner.Hemade me feel like the whole situation was my fault.He'd HAVE to rehydrate, he'd HAVE to do bloodwork, he'd HAVE to keep her during the day - like I wasn't going to be paying him for his efforts. I was in tears, which didn't make him respect me any more.Quite frankly, he scared the hell out of me, and as it's all of our deepest fears that it really IS our fault, I was a mess.He retested her for FeLV+ (she'd been rescued from a house full of cats, so may have been exposed close to rescue and the first testing).I took her home as she'd perked back up, the fluids really helped, and she rebounded fully.Despite this, when he called to tell me that she was positive and anemic and had maybe a month to live, told me to expect to see rapid deterioration, blah, blah,
OTS..need suggestions
does anyone have any ideas how we can address this sad issueI found out from one of the great Techs at my vets office that there is a woman in her mobile home park who has gathered up all the cats and taken them to the SPCA to be killed, The girl Shana had sold her the mobile home when they bought a new one and moved a few spaces away, She asked the new owner if she could leave the food there for the cats who were used to eating in that place until she could get them used to her new place, Well when the cats were not there one day she went and asked the woman if she had seen them, the woman lied and said no,,She went to the SPCA and was able to save 2 the other 2 had been euthanized already, Also this woman had brought in 30 cats,in this month , all friendly all to be euthanized. I keep my cats in..many people who live in a safe place without traffic allow their beloved pets in their yards,,now they are dead!! I am angrier than belief and am hoping that she can get many letters from all over the country condemning this cruel act, I have her address I will private email anyone who is willing to tell her how awful this is, If this is an inappropriate post please delete it. bit many kitty lives are at stake. thanks kelly
Re: OTS..need suggestions
The only think I can think of is to get as many people in the area that you know to go in adopt out the cats who are no somone's pets. ASAP! Pass the word along. Also if there is a possibility that the cats being brought in are family pets, the SPCA should be told that as they should not accept them since it is not owners who are bringing them in. Let the SPCA know NOT to take cats from this woman have them warn her that what she is doing is illegal. And last but not last, have Shana go door to door in the park let people know what this woman is diong. That would be the BEST thing to do. If people in the park know that someone these is killing their cats, I imagine they would tend to her themselves. But all of those things should be done. If it is ok to send me her address privately, do it. Pam - Original Message - From: kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: OTS..need suggestions does anyone have any ideas how we can address this sad issueI found out from one of the great Techs at my vets office that there is a woman in her mobile home park who has gathered up all the cats and taken them to the SPCA to be killed, The girl Shana had sold her the mobile home when they bought a new one and moved a few spaces away, She asked the new owner if she could leave the food there for the cats who were used to eating in that place until she could get them used to her new place, Well when the cats were not there one day she went and asked the woman if she had seen them, the woman lied and said no,,She went to the SPCA and was able to save 2 the other 2 had been euthanized already, Also this woman had brought in 30 cats,in this month , all friendly all to be euthanized. I keep my cats in..many people who live in a safe place without traffic allow their beloved pets in their yards,,now they are dead!! I am angrier than belief and am hoping that she can get many letters from all over the country condemning this cruel act, I have her address I will private email anyone who is willing to tell her how awful this is, If this is an inappropriate post please delete it. bit many kitty lives are at stake. thanks kelly
Re: OTS..need suggestions
At 08:45 AM 9/9/2006, you wrote: They were friendly. She was carrying them in in her arms,,,not traps Shana has already posted signs telling people what she is doing. Sadly the SPCA euthanizes cats turned in within 24 hours here in Fresno,,, Thanks..It makes me cry. She save all she could afford. Kelly The only think I can think of is to get as many people in the area that you know to go in adopt out the cats who are no somone's pets. ASAP! Pass the word along. Also if there is a possibility that the cats being brought in are family pets, the SPCA should be told that as they should not accept them since it is not owners who are bringing them in. Let the SPCA know NOT to take cats from this woman have them warn her that what she is doing is illegal. And last but not last, have Shana go door to door in the park let people know what this woman is diong. That would be the BEST thing to do. If people in the park know that someone these is killing their cats, I imagine they would tend to her themselves. But all of those things should be done. If it is ok to send me her address privately, do it. Pam - Original Message - From: kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: OTS..need suggestions does anyone have any ideas how we can address this sad issueI found out from one of the great Techs at my vets office that there is a woman in her mobile home park who has gathered up all the cats and taken them to the SPCA to be killed, The girl Shana had sold her the mobile home when they bought a new one and moved a few spaces away, She asked the new owner if she could leave the food there for the cats who were used to eating in that place until she could get them used to her new place, Well when the cats were not there one day she went and asked the woman if she had seen them, the woman lied and said no,,She went to the SPCA and was able to save 2 the other 2 had been euthanized already, Also this woman had brought in 30 cats,in this month , all friendly all to be euthanized. I keep my cats in..many people who live in a safe place without traffic allow their beloved pets in their yards,,now they are dead!! I am angrier than belief and am hoping that she can get many letters from all over the country condemning this cruel act, I have her address I will private email anyone who is willing to tell her how awful this is, If this is an inappropriate post please delete it. bit many kitty lives are at stake. thanks kelly -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
RE: OTS..need suggestions
I wonder if it would help for people to write or email the SPCA, naming this woman and asking them not to accept any more pets from her. Can you get the particulars for the SPCA -- address, e-mail etc? I Googled Fresno CA SPCA and got a hit, but if there's more than one she could be taking them to, that would be good. Please send me her name as well -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Diane R.
HACKING???
Crackers has been hacking off and on all morning? it is like he is going to throw up but nothing comes out...he looks like he is trying to vomit but then when nothing comes out he like swallows drooll and walks away...he is breathing normal and normal behavioral...is this his first sign of sickness? usually when he would do that he'd just vomit...my dad is going for brain surgery to remove a clot and i am losing it here... any suggestions? or opinions? anyones abbies ever do this? kayte
Spencer is feeling better!
Hi All, Thank you Kerry R for taking the time to send support and share your's and Inky's Mom's experience with me. I'm not able to answer everyone's posts individually, but please know that each and every one means the world to me. I'm actually feeling much more light hearted as I write to you. Spencer has benefited from the dex shots and is feeling MUCH better. (Thank you, thank you, Michelle!). He's started to eat on his own, not as much as he needs to, but still, significant improvement. He's been grooming himself and this morning he once again was able to join the dogs in the front yard when we went to get the paper! In addition to the daily dex injections, I've got him on a general homeopathic, (BioPlasma), oral interferon and transdermal Cypro (for appetite stimulation). Michelle, is it as safe as my vet implies to give him these daily injections indefinitely? The feline interferon didn't seem to help him and his reaction to it was not good, so I'm probably not going to try that again. I called my vet and asked her about Elspar. Her assistant told me she could prescribe it, but it's $200 a vial and she seemed a little surprised that I would want to pursue it. I'm still waiting for a call back for her suggestions. Once again I find myself in the position of having to make decisions about just how much I am willing to put a terminal animal through in order to buy time. One day at a time, one moment to the next. Pray my intuition and communication skills don't fail me. Nina
Re: OTS..need suggestions
Kelly, Send all the contact info directly to the list, (the woman's name and description, SPCA contact email, etc). This is something that all our members would be inclined to get behind. If we can flood the particular parties, (esp the SPCA) with demands to stop this, there is a chance they will listen. What a deplorable situation! Thank you for calling it to our attention. Nina Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: I wonder if it would help for people to write or email the SPCA, naming this woman and asking them not to accept any more pets from her. Can you get the particulars for the SPCA -- address, e-mail etc? I Googled Fresno CA SPCA and got a hit, but if there's more than one she could be taking them to, that would be good. Please send me her name as well -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Diane R.
Re: HACKING???
Kayte, I'm so sorry to hear about your dad. Many blessings and prayers for his safety and recovery. Try not to worry too much about Cracker's hacking. It could very well be something as benign as a hair ball. It is very easy to get caught up in watching our felv babies so closely that we drive ourselves into a frenzy with worry. With your dad's situation, I can see how stressed out you must be. Give Crackers some Petromalt and keep an eye on him. Is he eating? If there are no other symptoms, try and take a deep breath and relax as best you can. Let us know how your dad does and if Crackers seems to get worse or develop any other symptoms. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crackers has been hacking off and on all morning? it is like he is going to throw up but nothing comes out...he looks like he is trying to vomit but then when nothing comes out he like swallows drooll and walks away...he is breathing normal and normal behavioral...is this his first sign of sickness? usually when he would do that he'd just vomit...my dad is going for brain surgery to remove a clot and i am losing it here... any suggestions? or opinions? anyones abbies ever do this? kayte
RE: HACKING???
Hairball hairball hairball. At some point, hell spit up this yuky looking hariball and go on his merry way. Dont worry..if hes eating and just going about his business, hell be fine. Concentrate on your dadthats the most pressing concern right now Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:03 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: HACKING??? Crackers has been hacking off and on all morning? it is like he is going to throw up but nothing comes out...he looks like he is trying to vomit but then when nothing comes out he like swallows drooll and walks away...he is breathing normal and normal behavioral...is this his first sign of sickness? usually when he would do that he'd just vomit...my dad is going for brain surgery to remove a clot and i am losing it here... any suggestions? or opinions? anyones abbies ever do this? kayte
Re: OTS..need suggestions
At 09:15 AM 9/9/2006, you wrote: Thanks Nina so much Here are the particulars..I phoned the Fresno SPCA and basically they do not take information from anyone bringing STray cats to them,,,and it is done all day long, They claim they keep them 5 days before euthanizing them but this was not the case,, Their Phone number is 559 233 SPCA their address is 1035 S. Hughes Fresno Ca 93706 I will private email the address of the woman doing this so perhaps if she gets enough letters she will stop/. the only EMAIL address I have for the SPCA is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I couldn't believe it when she said they take no information from people turning in animals. I am not sure how to get this on the list Nina so would you mind either directing me there or just posting this information there. thanks so very much Kelly Kelly, Send all the contact info directly to the list, (the woman's name and description, SPCA contact email, etc). This is something that all our members would be inclined to get behind. If we can flood the particular parties, (esp the SPCA) with demands to stop this, there is a chance they will listen. What a deplorable situation! Thank you for calling it to our attention. Nina Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: I wonder if it would help for people to write or email the SPCA, naming this woman and asking them not to accept any more pets from her. Can you get the particulars for the SPCA -- address, e-mail etc? I Googled Fresno CA SPCA and got a hit, but if there's more than one she could be taking them to, that would be good. Please send me her name as well -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Diane R. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: OTS..need suggestions
You just got it on the list Kelly. Go ahead and broadcast the woman's address who is turning in cats to the shelter! Let's hit her with a flood of mail about how horrible we all think her actions are. Let's let her know the world is watching her! Nina kelly wrote: At 09:15 AM 9/9/2006, you wrote: Thanks Nina so much Here are the particulars..I phoned the Fresno SPCA and basically they do not take information from anyone bringing STray cats to them,,,and it is done all day long, They claim they keep them 5 days before euthanizing them but this was not the case,, Their Phone number is 559 233 SPCA their address is 1035 S. Hughes Fresno Ca 93706 I will private email the address of the woman doing this so perhaps if she gets enough letters she will stop/. the only EMAIL address I have for the SPCA is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I couldn't believe it when she said they take no information from people turning in animals. I am not sure how to get this on the list Nina so would you mind either directing me there or just posting this information there. thanks so very much Kelly Kelly, Send all the contact info directly to the list, (the woman's name and description, SPCA contact email, etc). This is something that all our members would be inclined to get behind. If we can flood the particular parties, (esp the SPCA) with demands to stop this, there is a chance they will listen. What a deplorable situation! Thank you for calling it to our attention. Nina Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: I wonder if it would help for people to write or email the SPCA, naming this woman and asking them not to accept any more pets from her. Can you get the particulars for the SPCA -- address, e-mail etc? I Googled Fresno CA SPCA and got a hit, but if there's more than one she could be taking them to, that would be good. Please send me her name as well -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Diane R. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: Spencer is feeling better!
At 09:09 AM 9/9/2006, you wrote: I am so glad Spencer is feeling better.Yesterday it was a trying kind of day,,,at the vet as usual,,But I was sitting there and this Smile just came over me and I thought SPENCER came home. It made me realize just how attached I am to all the babies on this and the other lists I belong to ...and how I cry when one crosses over but the joy and happiness I feel when there is news like this. Many years ago Nina I had a long haired male who had mega colon and for 10 years I needed to help him defecate. He was getting old and would love to sit out on our lawn and sun bathe,, Then one day he was not there,For days and night I searched and cried and slept in a chair by the front door,,,in retrospect what i think happened is he used to like to get in the bed of my sons pick up as it was warm. I think perhaps my son drove off too fast and took him somewhere,,,I grieved for my Max ,,,and to this day there is really no resolution, The guilt is horrible, In my heart I personally do not believe they make a deliberate decision to die alone, but as I said earlier, they hide when they feel ill so they will be safe from predation,,,I am s glad Mr. Spencer is at home with those that love him and even better that he is doing better. Thanks for the good news Kelly Hi All, Thank you Kerry R for taking the time to send support and share your's and Inky's Mom's experience with me. I'm not able to answer everyone's posts individually, but please know that each and every one means the world to me. I'm actually feeling much more light hearted as I write to you. Spencer has benefited from the dex shots and is feeling MUCH better. (Thank you, thank you, Michelle!). He's started to eat on his own, not as much as he needs to, but still, significant improvement. He's been grooming himself and this morning he once again was able to join the dogs in the front yard when we went to get the paper! In addition to the daily dex injections, I've got him on a general homeopathic, (BioPlasma), oral interferon and transdermal Cypro (for appetite stimulation). Michelle, is it as safe as my vet implies to give him these daily injections indefinitely? The feline interferon didn't seem to help him and his reaction to it was not good, so I'm probably not going to try that again. I called my vet and asked her about Elspar. Her assistant told me she could prescribe it, but it's $200 a vial and she seemed a little surprised that I would want to pursue it. I'm still waiting for a call back for her suggestions. Once again I find myself in the position of having to make decisions about just how much I am willing to put a terminal animal through in order to buy time. One day at a time, one moment to the next. Pray my intuition and communication skills don't fail me. Nina -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: OTS..need suggestions
Kelly, It will also help to have the woman's name and description, (the one who is turning in cats), when writing to the SPCA. If this is their policy to take multiple cats without question, then the general policy must be addressed as well. Please let the poor distraught woman whose cats were taken know that a campaign has been started. Perhaps those sweet kitties will not have died in vain. Perhaps, as awful as it is, this is what it took to get enough people involved to change the shelter's policy. If those that aren't willing to snail mail protests will send you emails instead, they could be printed out and hand delivered. There is a petition internet service that could be contacted so that those in authority, (above the SPCA director's), might become involved. Sometimes it's hard not to lose faith in the human race. Those that care may be in the minority, but we do our best to make up for it by being louder and more dedicated. Nina Nina wrote: You just got it on the list Kelly. Go ahead and broadcast the woman's address who is turning in cats to the shelter! Let's hit her with a flood of mail about how horrible we all think her actions are. Let's let her know the world is watching her! Nina kelly wrote: At 09:15 AM 9/9/2006, you wrote: Thanks Nina so much Here are the particulars..I phoned the Fresno SPCA and basically they do not take information from anyone bringing STray cats to them,,,and it is done all day long, They claim they keep them 5 days before euthanizing them but this was not the case,, Their Phone number is 559 233 SPCA their address is 1035 S. Hughes Fresno Ca 93706 I will private email the address of the woman doing this so perhaps if she gets enough letters she will stop/. the only EMAIL address I have for the SPCA is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I couldn't believe it when she said they take no information from people turning in animals. I am not sure how to get this on the list Nina so would you mind either directing me there or just posting this information there. thanks so very much Kelly Kelly, Send all the contact info directly to the list, (the woman's name and description, SPCA contact email, etc). This is something that all our members would be inclined to get behind. If we can flood the particular parties, (esp the SPCA) with demands to stop this, there is a chance they will listen. What a deplorable situation! Thank you for calling it to our attention. Nina Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: I wonder if it would help for people to write or email the SPCA, naming this woman and asking them not to accept any more pets from her. Can you get the particulars for the SPCA -- address, e-mail etc? I Googled Fresno CA SPCA and got a hit, but if there's more than one she could be taking them to, that would be good. Please send me her name as well -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Diane R. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: OTS..need suggestions
At 10:16 AM 9/9/2006, you wrote: I do not think you can post personal information...If anyone knows please let me know. If I go to jail who will care for my 40+ cats and 4 dogs. Kelly, It will also help to have the woman's name and description, (the one who is turning in cats), when writing to the SPCA. If this is their policy to take multiple cats without question, then the general policy must be addressed as well. Please let the poor distraught woman whose cats were taken know that a campaign has been started. Perhaps those sweet kitties will not have died in vain. Perhaps, as awful as it is, this is what it took to get enough people involved to change the shelter's policy. If those that aren't willing to snail mail protests will send you emails instead, they could be printed out and hand delivered. There is a petition internet service that could be contacted so that those in authority, (above the SPCA director's), might become involved. Sometimes it's hard not to lose faith in the human race. Those that care may be in the minority, but we do our best to make up for it by being louder and more dedicated. Nina Nina wrote: You just got it on the list Kelly. Go ahead and broadcast the woman's address who is turning in cats to the shelter! Let's hit her with a flood of mail about how horrible we all think her actions are. Let's let her know the world is watching her! Nina kelly wrote: At 09:15 AM 9/9/2006, you wrote: Thanks Nina so much Here are the particulars..I phoned the Fresno SPCA and basically they do not take information from anyone bringing STray cats to them,,,and it is done all day long, They claim they keep them 5 days before euthanizing them but this was not the case,, Their Phone number is 559 233 SPCA their address is 1035 S. Hughes Fresno Ca 93706 I will private email the address of the woman doing this so perhaps if she gets enough letters she will stop/. the only EMAIL address I have for the SPCA is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I couldn't believe it when she said they take no information from people turning in animals. I am not sure how to get this on the list Nina so would you mind either directing me there or just posting this information there. thanks so very much Kelly Kelly, Send all the contact info directly to the list, (the woman's name and description, SPCA contact email, etc). This is something that all our members would be inclined to get behind. If we can flood the particular parties, (esp the SPCA) with demands to stop this, there is a chance they will listen. What a deplorable situation! Thank you for calling it to our attention. Nina Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: I wonder if it would help for people to write or email the SPCA, naming this woman and asking them not to accept any more pets from her. Can you get the particulars for the SPCA -- address, e-mail etc? I Googled Fresno CA SPCA and got a hit, but if there's more than one she could be taking them to, that would be good. Please send me her name as well -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Diane R. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: Spencer is feeling better!
Oh Kelly what a sad story about Max. When you feel remorse over what happened when he left you, please do your best to conjure the memories of all those years of love and life that you gave him instead. Not that I don't understand your torment over it! I believe your sweet Max is watching over you and I'm sure that your continuing to suffer, long after the fact, is not a comfort to him. I wish I had an answer to why such things happen to us and those we love... Sometimes it's clear, often times it takes time and distance to put things in perspective, sometimes we never know, (I have a list of questions that I will be expecting answers to when my time comes!). When Spencer went missing, I did my best to make sense of it. When I thought that I had figured it out, when I had made peace with his decision to leave, he came back to me. Thank you for letting me know that the thought of Spencer's return brought you a momentary smile. Life is a head scratching, heart wrenching, joyful, loved filled journey. I know I'm not wise enough to have the answers. In fact the older I get the less I seem to know. All we can do is the best we are able. When we do that, when we are guided by love and faith, we may still have regrets, but no reasons for self recrimination. Much love to you my dear, Nina kelly wrote: At 09:09 AM 9/9/2006, you wrote: I am so glad Spencer is feeling better.Yesterday it was a trying kind of day,,,at the vet as usual,,But I was sitting there and this Smile just came over me and I thought SPENCER came home. It made me realize just how attached I am to all the babies on this and the other lists I belong to ...and how I cry when one crosses over but the joy and happiness I feel when there is news like this. Many years ago Nina I had a long haired male who had mega colon and for 10 years I needed to help him defecate. He was getting old and would love to sit out on our lawn and sun bathe,, Then one day he was not there,For days and night I searched and cried and slept in a chair by the front door,,,in retrospect what i think happened is he used to like to get in the bed of my sons pick up as it was warm. I think perhaps my son drove off too fast and took him somewhere,,,I grieved for my Max ,,,and to this day there is really no resolution, The guilt is horrible, In my heart I personally do not believe they make a deliberate decision to die alone, but as I said earlier, they hide when they feel ill so they will be safe from predation,,,I am s glad Mr. Spencer is at home with those that love him and even better that he is doing better. Thanks for the good news Kelly
Re: OTS..need suggestions
At 10:16 AM 9/9/2006, you wrote: Those are good ideas As it is anyone could put a can of Tuna on their porch and when the cat came up to eat legally take the in Kelly, It will also help to have the woman's name and description, (the one who is turning in cats), when writing to the SPCA. If this is their policy to take multiple cats without question, then the general policy must be addressed as well. Please let the poor distraught woman whose cats were taken know that a campaign has been started. Perhaps those sweet kitties will not have died in vain. Perhaps, as awful as it is, this is what it took to get enough people involved to change the shelter's policy. If those that aren't willing to snail mail protests will send you emails instead, they could be printed out and hand delivered. There is a petition internet service that could be contacted so that those in authority, (above the SPCA director's), might become involved. Sometimes it's hard not to lose faith in the human race. Those that care may be in the minority, but we do our best to make up for it by being louder and more dedicated. Nina Nina wrote: You just got it on the list Kelly. Go ahead and broadcast the woman's address who is turning in cats to the shelter! Let's hit her with a flood of mail about how horrible we all think her actions are. Let's let her know the world is watching her! Nina kelly wrote: At 09:15 AM 9/9/2006, you wrote: Thanks Nina so much Here are the particulars..I phoned the Fresno SPCA and basically they do not take information from anyone bringing STray cats to them,,,and it is done all day long, They claim they keep them 5 days before euthanizing them but this was not the case,, Their Phone number is 559 233 SPCA their address is 1035 S. Hughes Fresno Ca 93706 I will private email the address of the woman doing this so perhaps if she gets enough letters she will stop/. the only EMAIL address I have for the SPCA is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I couldn't believe it when she said they take no information from people turning in animals. I am not sure how to get this on the list Nina so would you mind either directing me there or just posting this information there. thanks so very much Kelly Kelly, Send all the contact info directly to the list, (the woman's name and description, SPCA contact email, etc). This is something that all our members would be inclined to get behind. If we can flood the particular parties, (esp the SPCA) with demands to stop this, there is a chance they will listen. What a deplorable situation! Thank you for calling it to our attention. Nina Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: I wonder if it would help for people to write or email the SPCA, naming this woman and asking them not to accept any more pets from her. Can you get the particulars for the SPCA -- address, e-mail etc? I Googled Fresno CA SPCA and got a hit, but if there's more than one she could be taking them to, that would be good. Please send me her name as well -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Diane R. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
RE: Spencer is feeling better!
Since he is feeling better, would you consider having the fluid drawn off his chest? If the dex shots slow things down, drawing off what is there, might really help him feel better and eat and get stronger. He is your kitty and you know him best, but I've had kittens who needed this done and it was not that traumatic and it really made an improvement in them. I'm so glad Spencer is doing better and hope he continues to feel good. Tracy [Original Message] From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED]; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: 9/9/2006 12:09:54 PM Subject: Spencer is feeling better! Hi All, Thank you Kerry R for taking the time to send support and share your's and Inky's Mom's experience with me. I'm not able to answer everyone's posts individually, but please know that each and every one means the world to me. I'm actually feeling much more light hearted as I write to you. Spencer has benefited from the dex shots and is feeling MUCH better. (Thank you, thank you, Michelle!). He's started to eat on his own, not as much as he needs to, but still, significant improvement. He's been grooming himself and this morning he once again was able to join the dogs in the front yard when we went to get the paper! In addition to the daily dex injections, I've got him on a general homeopathic, (BioPlasma), oral interferon and transdermal Cypro (for appetite stimulation). Michelle, is it as safe as my vet implies to give him these daily injections indefinitely? The feline interferon didn't seem to help him and his reaction to it was not good, so I'm probably not going to try that again. I called my vet and asked her about Elspar. Her assistant told me she could prescribe it, but it's $200 a vial and she seemed a little surprised that I would want to pursue it. I'm still waiting for a call back for her suggestions. Once again I find myself in the position of having to make decisions about just how much I am willing to put a terminal animal through in order to buy time. One day at a time, one moment to the next. Pray my intuition and communication skills don't fail me. Nina -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: Spencer is feeling better!
They won't fail you. Just have the strength to follow them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:12 PM Subject: RE: Spencer is feeling better! Since he is feeling better, would you consider having the fluid drawn off his chest? If the dex shots slow things down, drawing off what is there, might really help him feel better and eat and get stronger. He is your kitty and you know him best, but I've had kittens who needed this done and it was not that traumatic and it really made an improvement in them. I'm so glad Spencer is doing better and hope he continues to feel good. Tracy [Original Message] From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED]; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: 9/9/2006 12:09:54 PM Subject: Spencer is feeling better! Hi All, Thank you Kerry R for taking the time to send support and share your's and Inky's Mom's experience with me. I'm not able to answer everyone's posts individually, but please know that each and every one means the world to me. I'm actually feeling much more light hearted as I write to you. Spencer has benefited from the dex shots and is feeling MUCH better. (Thank you, thank you, Michelle!). He's started to eat on his own, not as much as he needs to, but still, significant improvement. He's been grooming himself and this morning he once again was able to join the dogs in the front yard when we went to get the paper! In addition to the daily dex injections, I've got him on a general homeopathic, (BioPlasma), oral interferon and transdermal Cypro (for appetite stimulation). Michelle, is it as safe as my vet implies to give him these daily injections indefinitely? The feline interferon didn't seem to help him and his reaction to it was not good, so I'm probably not going to try that again. I called my vet and asked her about Elspar. Her assistant told me she could prescribe it, but it's $200 a vial and she seemed a little surprised that I would want to pursue it. I'm still waiting for a call back for her suggestions. Once again I find myself in the position of having to make decisions about just how much I am willing to put a terminal animal through in order to buy time. One day at a time, one moment to the next. Pray my intuition and communication skills don't fail me. Nina -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: Spencer is feeling better!
Hi Tracy, We've already had the fluid drained once. The vet thought that he might be able to absorb what fluid might have built back up since then, (before we started giving him the steroid). My plan is to take him in if his breathing becomes labored, but not to stress him with the car ride and a vet visit if it doesn't. His breathing actually seems to have slowed and is less shallow, so I think I made the right call. Thank you for letting me know how much it helped your kittens and thanks too for the well wishes. Nina Tracy Weese wrote: Since he is feeling better, would you consider having the fluid drawn off his chest? If the dex shots slow things down, drawing off what is there, might really help him feel better and eat and get stronger. He is your kitty and you know him best, but I've had kittens who needed this done and it was not that traumatic and it really made an improvement in them. I'm so glad Spencer is doing better and hope he continues to feel good. Tracy
Re: Lucy again
Prayers for Lucy.take care, tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have prayers to spare in this terrible week with so many sick cats, please say a little one for Lucy. This time she relapsed at 7.5 mg/day of pred. I am more worried that her ibd could be morphing into lymphoma, as that is a pretty high dose. But maybe I just tapered her too quickly. I am back up to 10 a day and will taper more slowly, but am worried my vet will not refill as he thinks that is too much pred and that she should get a scope if she needs that much. Though I don't see the point, since even if she has lymphoma they would put her on that much pred anyway, and if the pred stops working they use leukeran with both lymphoma and severe ibd, so what is the point of the 3 hours of driving and invasive probes. But I will have to see, because if my local vet will not keep prescribing the pred when she needs it, I may have no choice. Michelle
Re: Lucy again
There is no point in stressing Lucy if you don't have to. I wonder if there are other sources of pred. Do you have a farm/seed store around. Sometimes they have meds for livestock OTC that would require a prescription for a pet. I don't know but it would be worth a call. Lots of prayers for Lucy and all the others. And for you and all the other caregivers. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Lucy again Prayers for Lucy. take care, tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have prayers to spare in this terrible week with so many sick cats, please say a little one for Lucy. This time she relapsed at 7.5 mg/day of pred. I am more worried that her ibd could be morphing into lymphoma, as that is a pretty high dose. But maybe I just tapered her too quickly. I am back up to 10 a day and will taper more slowly, but am worried my vet will not refill as he thinks that is too much pred and that she should get a scope if she needs that much. Though I don't see the point, since even if she has lymphoma they would put her on that much pred anyway, and if the pred stops working they use leukeran with both lymphoma and severe ibd, so what is the point of the 3 hours of driving and invasive probes. But I will have to see, because if my local vet will not keep prescribing the pred when she needs it, I may have no choice. Michelle
Re: Ordering interferon- Nina
Thank you for the suggestion! My vet was the one who told me to go to Island Pharmacy, and was unwilling to dilute it herself. We switched vets, and so far the new vet is great. She doesn't know a lot about FeLV, but she has done tons of research for me, consulted other vets, and her clinic gave us Interferon for under $10! She's my fourth vet in 3 months, so I'm not willing to swear by her yet, but so far she's the best I've found in Seattle. Thanks again Kiley From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ordering interferon- Nina Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:44:33 -0400 Get your own vet to make up a batch for you. All they have to do is order one vial of the actual human drug InterferonAlpha, and then dilute it to the correct dilution for cats, the instructions are available at the island pharmacy website for other vets to use (or at least they used to be). You should be able to have half prepared to full dilution, and have half stored in deep freeze for future dilution and use. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006
Re: I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer
I am so relieved Spencer is home, you must be at your whits end! I am praying for his recovery and for your continued strength.
Re: I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer
I know how panicked I felt when Dixie Louise Doodle Katt decided to take a walk on the farm all by herself. It is awful to have one disappear. Blessings to you and to Spencer. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kiley Dozier-Bosanko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: Re: I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer I am so relieved Spencer is home, you must be at your whits end! I am praying for his recovery and for your continued strength.
Re: Lucy again
Thanks. The vet said he will refill for me at least one more time but to try to reduce it as fast as I can without it bothering her. I had put her on 11.25 mg/day and went to 10 mg/day yesterday and today she has blood on her stool and is eating a little less again. But solid stools and acting frisky, so hope she is just adjusting. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 3:40:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no point in stressing Lucy if you don't have to. I wonder if there are other sources of pred. Do you have a farm/seed store around. Sometimes they have meds for livestock OTC that would require a prescription for a pet. I don't know but it would be worth a call. Lots of prayers for Lucy and all the others. And for you and all the other caregivers.
Re: Lucy again
At 02:47 PM 9/9/2006, you wrote: Also try the [EMAIL PROTECTED] good support and suggestions Kelly Thanks. The vet said he will refill for me at least one more time but to try to reduce it as fast as I can without it bothering her. I had put her on 11.25 mg/day and went to 10 mg/day yesterday and today she has blood on her stool and is eating a little less again. But solid stools and acting frisky, so hope she is just adjusting. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 3:40:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no point in stressing Lucy if you don't have to. I wonder if there are other sources of pred. Do you have a farm/seed store around. Sometimes they have meds for livestock OTC that would require a prescription for a pet. I don't know but it would be worth a call. Lots of prayers for Lucy and all the others. And for you and all the other caregivers. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: Spencer is feeling better!
Nina, so glad he is feeling better! As to the question about giving dex indefinitely, I guess the answer is "it depends how long indefinitely is." He should not have any short-term side effects from it. If he is on it for months getting them every day, he can get steroid side effects-- diabetes or suppressed immune system or think skin, etc. But I don't think the vet thinks he has months, and he probably does not if dex is all he is getting, so I would not worry about side effects at this point. I personally would want to do depo and supplement it with occasional dex shots instead, but i would not worry about giving too much dex right now. Cats can handle a lot, especially short-term, and dex makes them feel so much better. Does he get very stressed by vet visits, and is that the main reason you do not want to do chemo with him? or cost? If the dex is helping, I think that chemo would help more, especially combined with steroids. If you can afford the Elspar, I would at least do that. Combined with the dex it might really help him feel better and increase his life by a few weeks or more with good quality, and it is not stressful because it is just one sub-q shot and has no side effects. But doing the COP or Wisconsin chemo protocol would be likely to help a lot more. If Elspar is that much money, then I think it is the most expensive of the chemo agents that they use for feline lymphoma. One of them, perhaps Vincristine (usually given after Elspar), was under $10, I think. They usually give Elspar first, though, for some reason.I think it has to do with not killing off the lymphoma cells too quickly, because doing that can cause toxic overload to their body. I think Elspar kills only a limited number of the cells at one time because it just stops them from reproducing and then they die off naturally, rather than the drug killing the cells. I think the others actually kill the cells perhaps, so you want the tumor smaller when you give them so as not to overload the body. I could be talking out my ear, though, as I am straining to remember. Anyway, I would do the Elspar if you can afford it because it is not a stress (unless you have to take him in for it and that itself stresses him) and if he responds well I would try the next week of one of the protocols as well (usually Vincristine, I think, which is just two pills that you give him one time, a week after the Elspar shot). The chemo is generally once a week for a month and then a break of several weeks (I think it's a sub-q shot the first week, then IV shot the next week, then one time pills the next week,then an IV shot the fourth week and then nothing for 2 or 3 weeks after that).They have to check white blood cell countsbefore each treatment after the second one. It was not stressful for Simon, buthe did not mind carrides. The only sidereaction he had to the chemo itself (unless his hemolytic anemia was a response to it) was that he threw up and then did not want to eat one evening 2 or 3 days after getting the pill one. The others did not seem to bother him at all, and he felt a lot better with them working on him. And his lymphoma was in his liver and bone marrow, which is much harder to treat than mediastinal lymphoma, which is what Spencer has. Anyway, we all have opinions about chemo, and you know that I am generally in favor of trying it with lymphoma, because it sometimes can actually put them into remission for long periods. Remissions tend to be shorter for positive cats, but there was at least one person on the lymphoma list with a positive who was still in remission over a year after beginning chemo, and I talked to someone else who had a positive live a year with chemo.I do understand not doing it, too, though it is not how I would approach lymphoma. I have decided not to treat other cancers with chemo because the remission rate is so much smaller with some cancers, and the balancing made me decide to try experimental or natural treatments instead. So I am not completely pro-chemo all the time. I have just been really overwhelmed by the chemo success stories on the lymphoma list serve, and I was amazed at how much better it made Simon feel, bringing him from death's door and needing transfusions to literally climbing the walls and running around in the ceiling and deviling Quincy. Though Simon only lasted 2 months on it, he died from having a hemolytic reaction rather than from the lymphoma itself, which was still at bay when he died, and he lived two months when he would have lived only a few days without it. By the end it was expensive, though probably because of transfusions and hospitalization rather than the chemo, but doing the whole procedure is definitely not cheap. And I know the extreme amounts you have spent already and that money can not be squeezed from stones. So I am not implying it can. I just really want you to know that, if you think the dex is helping,
Re: OTS..need suggestions
Kelly, please have someone contact the police. Under the law (unfortunately) animals are property, and she is stealing and destroying people's property and police should know about it. Technically I guess the animals are trespassing on her property, and I really don't know how that balances out (though in a trailer home park, she may not own the land itself but rather just the trailer). But the police might be willing to go and talk to her. Especially since she allowed the person to leave food, essentially attracting the cats to her property, and did not ask neighbors to keep their cats indoors and off her property. I also think it would be a good idea to lobby not only the shelter but also the city council to adopt a policy requiring that non-feral friendly cats must be held for at least 5 or 7 days even if the person dropping them off claims they are strays (would be good if feral also, but less likely to get such a policy). An ordinance making it a crime to bring another person's animal to a shelter without their permissionmight also be good, though in some cases might hamper legitimate rescue operations. Truly horrible. Michelle
Re: Lucy again
I'm in NJ. Where are you? Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 5:57:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 02:47 PM 9/9/2006, you wrote:I also have an IBD cat,,,The budesonide was great,,,If your vet is unfamiliar with it have him familiarize himself, he can be on it for life...they say it takes months to reduce [EMAIL PROTECTED]feel free to call anytimewhere are you locatedKelly.
Re: Lucy again
I was on that group for a while, but the moderator was very mean and kept refusing to post my messages because she said I either included too much of the previous post or not enough, and when I said something about not having this problem on other lists and really needing to just get some advice she went off at me in a really nasty email, so I left the group. Unfortunately. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 6:01:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also try the [EMAIL PROTECTED]good support and suggestionsKelly
Re: Lucy again
At 03:17 PM 9/9/2006, you wrote: i am in California I'm in NJ. Where are you? Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 5:57:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 02:47 PM 9/9/2006, you wrote: I also have an IBD cat,,,The budesonide was great,,,If your vet is unfamiliar with it have him familiarize himself, he can be on it for life... they say it takes months to reduce [EMAIL PROTECTED] feel free to call anytime where are you located Kelly. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: Lucy again
At 03:18 PM 9/9/2006, you wrote: Ya ..I left for the same reasons,,especially if I did not agree on the RAW stuff,,,It would be a good place to gather infor on Budesonide for your vet..you can just go their archives and print up stuff on it from there and take it to your vet also, I was on that group for a while, but the moderator was very mean and kept refusing to post my messages because she said I either included too much of the previous post or not enough, and when I said something about not having this problem on other lists and really needing to just get some advice she went off at me in a really nasty email, so I left the group. Unfortunately. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 6:01:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also try the [EMAIL PROTECTED] good support and suggestions Kelly No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: Lucy again
I had the same problem. Maddening! This was right after Marie developed colitis and the fecal showed tritrichomomos foetus, which is often mistaken for flagyl-resistant giardia. I was trying to share that info and an off-list email I received urhed me to trim and post but i was never able to trim to their standardskelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:18 PM 9/9/2006, you wrote:Ya ..I left for the same reasons,,especially if I did not agree on the RAW stuff,,,It would be a good place to gather infor on Budesonide for your vet..you can just go their archives and print up stuff on it from there and take it to your vet also, I was on that group for a while, but the moderator was very mean and kept refusing to post my messages because she said I either included too much of the previous post or not enough, and when I said something about not having this problem on other lists and really needing to just get some advice she went off at me in a really nasty email, so I left the group. Unfortunately.MichelleIn a message dated 9/9/2006 6:01:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Also try the [EMAIL PROTECTED] good support and suggestions KellyNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: OTS..need suggestions
This is a good idea. Also Shana, who lives in the park, should post flyers to let people in the park know what is happening. She can't come out say that someone is stealing the cats but she CAN point people whose cats are missing to the SPCA with the information that cats are being turned in there by someone in the park.There ought to be a way for these people whose cats are missing to find out who is responsible but I can't figure out a way to do that. But the police should be notified. Even if all they can do is to pay her a visit, at least she would know that what she is diong is wrong that people are aware of what she is doing. That can't make her feel very comfortable. I have written a letter it will go out tomorrow. Pam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 5:15 PM Subject: Re: OTS..need suggestions Kelly, please have someone contact the police. Under the law (unfortunately) animals are property, and she is stealing and destroying people's property and police should know about it. Technically I guess the animals are trespassing on her property, and I really don't know how that balances out (though in a trailer home park, she may not own the land itself but rather just the trailer). But the police might be willing to go and talk to her. Especially since she allowed the person to leave food, essentially attracting the cats to her property, and did not ask neighbors to keep their cats indoors and off her property. I also think it would be a good idea to lobby not only the shelter but also the city council to adopt a policy requiring that non-feral friendly cats must be held for at least 5 or 7 days even if the person dropping them off claims they are strays (would be good if feral also, but less likely to get such a policy). An ordinance making it a crime to bring another person's animal to a shelter without their permissionmight also be good, though in some cases might hamper legitimate rescue operations. Truly horrible. Michelle
Re: Lucy again
Michelle, My Paddy who was 20 at the time (he is now 21 1/2!) was on 10 mg of prednisolone for about 6 months . When I tapered him, it was very very gradually. Several months on 7.5 mg per day, then 5 mg, now he is on a permanent daily dose of 2.5. Does Lucy have any of the usual symptoms?: Vomiting, diarrhea? Loss of weight? Pam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have prayers to spare in this terrible week with so many sick cats, please say a little one for Lucy. This time she relapsed at 7.5 mg/day of pred. I am more worried that her ibd could be morphing into lymphoma, as that is a pretty high dose. But maybe I just tapered her too quickly. I am back up to 10 a day and will taper more slowly, but am worried my vet will not refill as he thinks that is too much pred and that she should get a scope if she needs that much. Though I don't see the point, since even if she has lymphoma they would put her on that much pred anyway, and if the pred stops working they use leukeran with both lymphoma and severe ibd, so what is the point of the 3 hours of driving and invasive probes. But I will have to see, because if my local vet will not keep prescribing the pred when she needs it, I may have no choice. Michelle
Re: Lucy again
Michelle. don't reduce it any further for at least two-three weeks. Are there no other vets for her to go to? Where are you? Pam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Lucy again Thanks. The vet said he will refill for me at least one more time but to try to reduce it as fast as I can without it bothering her. I had put her on 11.25 mg/day and went to 10 mg/day yesterday and today she has blood on her stool and is eating a little less again. But solid stools and acting frisky, so hope she is just adjusting. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 3:40:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no point in stressing Lucy if you don't have to. I wonder if there are other sources of pred. Do you have a farm/seed store around. Sometimes they have meds for livestock OTC that would require a prescription for a pet. I don't know but it would be worth a call. Lots of prayers for Lucy and all the others. And for you and all the other caregivers.
Re: Lucy again
Michelle, That group is known for being ultra fussy about trimming posts. I would try it again just be really careful about it. It's frustrating but the information available is worth it. Pam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Lucy again I was on that group for a while, but the moderator was very mean and kept refusing to post my messages because she said I either included too much of the previous post or not enough, and when I said something about not having this problem on other lists and really needing to just get some advice she went off at me in a really nasty email, so I left the group. Unfortunately. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 6:01:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also try the [EMAIL PROTECTED]good support and suggestionsKelly
Re: Lucy again
Where in California? Pam - Original Message - From: kelly To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Lucy again At 03:17 PM 9/9/2006, you wrote:i am in California I'm in NJ. Where are you?MichelleIn a message dated 9/9/2006 5:57:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 02:47 PM 9/9/2006, you wrote: I also have an IBD cat,,,The budesonide was great,,,If your vet is unfamiliar with it have him familiarize himself, he can be on it for life... they say it takes months to reduce [EMAIL PROTECTED] feel free to call anytime where are you located Kelly.No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: Lucy again
I got put on moderation several times I think the whole issue is ridiculous with the extent to which they take it. Theywant JUST the information you are replying to. And they watch it like a hawk. There was another IBD list but I think it went under. Pam - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Lucy again I had the same problem. Maddening! This was right after Marie developed colitis and the fecal showed tritrichomomos foetus, which is often mistaken for flagyl-resistant giardia. I was trying to share that info and an off-list email I received urhed me to trim and post but i was never able to trim to their standardskelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:18 PM 9/9/2006, you wrote:Ya ..I left for the same reasons,,especially if I did not agree on the RAW stuff,,,It would be a good place to gather infor on Budesonide for your vet..you can just go their archives and print up stuff on it from there and take it to your vet also, I was on that group for a while, but the moderator was very mean and kept refusing to post my messages because she said I either included too much of the previous post or not enough, and when I said something about not having this problem on other lists and really needing to just get some advice she went off at me in a really nasty email, so I left the group. Unfortunately.MichelleIn a message dated 9/9/2006 6:01:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also try the [EMAIL PROTECTED] good support and suggestions KellyNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
